HEATED DEBATE w/ Destiny! OBNOXIOUS Feminist KICKED OUT! | Dating Talk #75

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three letters of this video's URL is. ho. h0e just thought that was interesting. we've had Dix a few times too so what. does that stand for. the the last one oh just like dicks. my sophomoric sense of humor in like 10. years yeah it's been a minute all right. so without further Ado after that rather. long-winded introduction we're gonna. have the guests introduce themselves so. please tell us your name age and. occupation go ahead hey my name is.

Steven Bunnell 34 years old uh people. know me online and on Instagram as. destiny. okay welcome. I'm Melina known as Molina on social. medias as well Milan jorenson I do. twitch I'm 24 and I'm married to this. my wife Destiny here yeah your wife. Destiny. you're such a beautiful woman thank you. and I'm Erin AKA straighta raid on all. platforms I'm 24 and I'm looking to do. live streaming.

all right what about you hi I'm pixie. p-x-i-e I currently stream and yeah you. can find me on. okay. I'm Billy Ray I'm 25 and I am a content. creator mostly on the topic of men's. dating. welcome. um I'm Nev I'm 20. I got fired from. PetSmart so now I'm working at Los. Pollos Hermanos and yeah.

[Music]. I'm Jonathan also known as MLD I'm 37. I'm based in Tokyo Japan and I'm here on. my YouTube Tour on whatever podcast I do. men's self-improvement. I'm Mary Morgan I'm I'm 22. I'm a. commentator at timcast media you can. find me on a show called pop culture. crisis. reflection your voice suggested there. was another bullet point my name is John. Doyle I am 23 years old and I talk about.

politics on the internet. you said 23 that is correct. my name is Chase 28 years old. professional photographer and brand. consultant. all right rock and roll uh and before we. have everyone give their relationship. status here how old are you I never. introduced myself why not he needs no. introduction I'm the mystery the mystery. wow but if I could I want to know yeah. I'm curious hi I guess my age yeah go.

for it 29. no what 34. oh cool just turn. just turn yeah it's the red hair makes. you look so much younger it brings out. the uh the yeah but uh thank you I guess. that's a compliment yeah I just turned. 34 recently so. um and I had a couple questions for you. Destiny so we're Destiny you prefer. Stephen call me Steven okay got it. unless you really want to call me Dustin. yeah by the way we were talking about. this before the show um so and and I. feel deeply honored that you did this. you left a Super Chat.

on yeah two one was accidental yeah and. that's your first time super chatting. ever on a channel so that's that's a. pretty big endorsement can we say that. Destiny endorses the whatever podcast so. triggered by your episodes slamming my. keyboard trying to figure out how to. throw money at you yeah that's an. endorsement you've got it I heard it. from the bedroom yeah what was the Super. Chat it was something you guys were. saying some crazy dating [ __ ] but I'm. sure we'll fight about it here so all. right let's go okay that was the one. with Rolo right yeah and you guys had.

quite a uh noteworthy debate yesterday. when uh you Rolo Mike Sartain and sneako. so that was a good show. um and uh also I just want to pay you a. compliment or two. um. I've seen a ton of your videos and. you're very intelligent guy exceptional. debater so very sharp so I just wanted. to give you flowers on that thanks um. so I think with that said I reckon we. might have our work cut out for us but. uh one question have you ever taken the. Nike test never never you think it's up.

there it's probably probably like 165 or. 170 you know maybe in a ballpark there. yeah gotcha. um okay so let's go around the table. once more what's your current. relationship status are you single are. you in the talking phase uh relationship. engaged married and whatever. situationship go ahead. um I'd say situationship slash married I. guess depending on the day um no yeah. we're married we've been together for. like probably about four and a half. years okay. yeah I guess the same same yeah same.

okay how long was it you said three and. a half about four and a half years. before four and a half been married for. one and a half years now yeah that's. great I'm married for one and a half. okay. what about you I'm single single longest. relationship I never had a relationship. never had a relationship uh. what's the longest period of time that. you've dated somebody I've never been on. a date either never been on one yeah. have you have you been asked out on. dates but you rejected the guys or oh. what no well I I revealed this on like.

revealed on fresh and fit and then after. that I got more date offers that I'd. ever gotten in my life but yeah I just. haven't taken up random strangers on the. internet for a day it's crazy are you. aromantic uh no have you been asked out. in real life uh yeah. just weren't interested in any of the. guys no I I was asked out twice and I. got set up for both rip Rip's in the. chat that sucks uh but so you've never. had anything with a guy. or a woman no sure or a woman what about.

a thing with them no or are they them no. okay. um why do you think that is. um that has to do with the fact that. like in high school I was in a dual. enrollment program and then I just kept. my nose in a book for. four years because I graduated with my. associates and then I got to college and. then the pandemic started and then I was. busy just doing too much gig work and I. didn't have time to like pursue a. relationship because I was just focused. on like finishing my bachelor's which I. did and then the pandemic happened and I.

just haven't gone around to it yet what. did you get your Bachelor's in uh. biology biology okay are you are you. pursuing like a master's degree or. you're done with school I might do it. but not sure yeah. so it's hard for me like are you on. dating apps yeah dating apps anything. have you ever been no kiss has there. been a kiss yes I have in fact there's. been a kiss yeah on record I think yeah. on on record yeah it was like recorded. on a stream or something or not in a. stream did you kiss someone that's fresh.

and fit no we'll see what I guess that. fresh and fed fresh no not your type all. right uh uh not exactly no. I don't think I'm his either to be fair. so I don't know what this time is but. it's not me fair enough um are you open. to having a relationship yeah of course. but fresh with fresh with fresh if you. Myron refresh which one cheese married. or fresh oh my God. those are the last your only two options. how about you answer first who would you.

go for Mariner fresh who's just Myron. would be more capable of protecting me I. think yeah. I'd be a little frightened I think. um if you wanted to beat the protector. though who would you want to protect. that's the question Jesus Christ this is. really I I'm I'm befuddled you've. stumped me I don't know yeah that's a. tough question it's hard it's tough. um I would go for uh Big Mo behind the. scenes good answer good answer Big Mo.

do you know I don't know if he was there. when you were on not familiar who's this. big he's like he's the sweetheart of the. fresh and fit podcast. irresistible I bet he's big yeah Big Mo. he's called Big Mo he's called Big Moe. so I guess it's not offensive for me to. call him big sweetheart great guy and. then I'd probably then maybe Chris after. Big Mo. you're very interested okay. um. I feel like it was like a beautiful mind.

strategy like you don't want to go for. the main guys you want to go for the. pretty girls in the background so you're. opting for all the background people. yeah and then interesting strategy and. then the two main guys see that I'm kind. of not paying attention to them and then. they come around. because I guess that works okay um and. so first kiss but. virgin. have you had sex. what you said you've never introductions. first before we get one well I mean it's.

I mean you're you're uh you don't often. hear someone who's for example 24 who's. never had a anything. so is it uncommon. or does it just feel uncommon I feel. like. we talk about a lot how like the. sure I mean have you had sex or not. have you had it it's a good question she. needs to decide if she's gonna take you. out later or not oh okay okay well we'll.

get to that part of the podcast a little. later all right. you don't want to are you just gonna let. her manhandle you like that yeah like. we'll get to it later. but has there been any has there been. any you know. okay that means the answer is yes right. does it but she said she's never dated a. guy but you have kissed a guy I have. kissed a guy. do you want to just answer the question. so I can go back to it's asking Destiny. questions what now why don't we get to. that first no no just answer answer the.

question answer the question. uh what's the question again if you're. uncomfortable answering it that's fine. later on in the show cut it in the ass. no no are you just a virgin just in. general just in general yeah like. regular versions lesbian sex count yeah. does what lesbian sex count yeah. no lesbian virgins have you ever been. with a woman have you ever been with a. man have you ever been with a biblically. biblically speaking or are they them. bro just answer the question Jesus.

Christ this is literally like that scene. in The Breakfast Club when they're all. pressuring Claire to like say whether or. not she's like no I never did it yeah. um you ask me if I'm a virgin yes dude. yeah it's bro how many times you have to. repeat it hello I just have to really. make sure what does it mean to be a. virgin let's get the definitions out of. the way for us I'm very curious about. that too actually amazing. right what just do it. just say that you're not comfortable.

answering and we can move on that's the. only reason why somebody wouldn't want. to answer that question is because of. the discomfort just do it make your. dreams come true just do it. I think we should uh move on from this. office good idea Chase true good idea. all right um well I want to come back to. Destiny really quick here actually we'll. we'll let everybody go if that's what. you're asking that's not what I was. gonna ask but we'll let everybody go. then I had a couple specific questions. for Destiny go ahead. um I am currently single my longest.

relationship was. okay. Billy Ray I have a wonderful boyfriend. rock and roll longest relationship about. four years okay. I'm seeing someone my longest. relationship was two years I am seeing. someone and my longest relationship was. two years okay. John. recently single longest relationship. four years five years sure Mary.

currently in my first relationship which. is at 10 months. I am single my longest relationship was. about two years 18 months right around. there. uh yeah currently single longest. relationship about a year and a half and. can you give us a little more. information about your current situation. uh my current situation being that I'm. single and uh what you want me to go. into the looking for a wife waiting for. marriage waiting for marriage yeah ABS.

practicing abstinence and uh excited to. meet the woman that God made for me. whenever that happens are you like newly. absent like Born Again abstinent or are. you everybody says the Born Again thing. no I uh I became absent in 2020. like you were born in 2020 or how does. that. supply that you've never had you became. a Christian in 2020. oh no I'm so glad. for you I became a Christian about nine. years ago but I've been uh I repented of. fornication in 2020. gotcha yeah okay.

so he became Christian 2014 or 13. what. kind of what sector about March or April. of 2015. okay yeah or what denomination again. Catholic non-denominational Protestant. oh my God yeah what. yeah yeah pick a team okay make a. decision I mean I'm looking at because. you don't go to a church either right. it's more no I do so now we're looking. for denomination church it's it's a. non-denominational Protestant Calvary. Chapel oh they make non-denominational. churches I didn't even know that yeah.

it's wild yeah you can find them usually. in strip malls right between like a. Popeyes and like a Planet Fitness oh my. God they're just pretty normal churches. you know they're not in like strip malls. no mine's just downtown oh based yeah. so that's how. really aggressive in here tonight sorry. what's up on from her you think or yeah. I guess yeah for everybody we're just a. lot of energy in here tonight is there. yeah a little tension eh it's not good. is it do you think it's because of the. wig. it might be I think that's I think the.

wig is like staving off more attention. that could enter the room oh maybe yeah. should we introduce more attention into. the room should you take it off I need. to fix my hair holy [ __ ] that's scuffed. I'll I'll get up in a sec uh Destiny you. have a son correct yeah. um are you involved or is um yeah I. lived there until he was around nine but. I moved to California and then Florida. and then anytime I travel I try to visit. him afterwards so gosh I get to Nebraska. tomorrow to hang out with you said he's. nine yeah no no until he was nine he's. 12. okay gotcha and you're who hears bye.

this whole side of the panel yeah. interesting interesting a whole bunch of. degenerates over here um totally haven't. found God yet on this side of the table. you will in time Destiny hold on wait I. I should put this back on while I ask. this question hold on. are we decreasing the tension for this. question you look like Chucky Chucky I. feel more intimidated honestly with it. on it's a little scary yeah you feel. like he's gonna like try something yeah.

like he's gonna. like I'm in Destiny he won't I'll hold. him back don't worry oh true yeah. uh Destiny am I your type. I say no probably not what the [ __ ] dude. what's what's your Titan in terms of men. like if they're if they're liberal. Progressive you know the very the they. themselves appearance wise appearance. wise. um like if I was just like bleeding. heart liberal what about Chase. what about Chase is is Chase your type.

would you change that'll be in the after. show we'll talk about visually is that. is that a yes I like date women. wait but you're attracted to man you. smash dudes but don't date them we can. we'll go with that okay. off limits well I don't know how much. you want to [ __ ] do erotic fan. fiction here like if you want like. details of my hookup experience with. guys we can do that if you want but. we're on YouTube so you know I don't. know I mean we don't need. like.

very obviously you put on the. wigs yeah I respect that but I mean he.

already rejected me so I kind of like I. had to reject you oh I'm more like a. Personnel I'm like a sapiosexual you. know if you impress me intellectually. well that's not gonna happen. I I. spill over my words you tested your IQ. Brian I don't know. um. English is my second language so my. articulation is pretty poor oh [ __ ]. thank you. donated. 239 and one cent Brian I started. watching a month ago your social.

experiment has convinced me to stop. sleeping around which was a big part of. my life and focus on the one woman I. know I want to marry I'm thankful for. your platform keep growing Texas forever. yo base burner thanks for the uh big uh. TTS man really appreciate it glad you. enjoy the social experiments. um math props for your abstinence as. well-based burner what was the uh what. was the social experiment I think he's. referring just the show to the show yeah.

oh I mean I don't I don't know if it's a. social experiment but I suppose you. could frame it you'd probably call it. that yeah um because I also did like. social experience like back in the day. but I don't I don't think he's referring. to that so. um that sounded. I'd be curious to hear from base burner. if he wants to send in another TTS what. inspired you exactly to stop sleeping. around if you want to answer us. fishing. okay. um so just a question about your guys's.

relationship so is it a uh. my understanding it's a polyamorous. relationship is that right yeah. basically kind of yeah kind of yeah. we don't have like a third flippant we. don't have sorry wait what is the wig a. little flippant when I'm asking serious. questions like a little don't worry. about it you know don't worry about it. I've gotten used to it now I've seen you. more with red hair than not red hair so. it's actually kind of normal now okay. cool I'll take it off in a bit but you. guys were kind of wishy-washy on that. answer well we're like probably but we. don't like live with like a third person. or anything like that what are like the.

rules of your guys's relationship that. you have with each other like what are. the rules and boundaries I think. generally we just try to communicate. with each other when we see other people. um honestly yeah and that's pretty much. it and that's generally yeah does. anybody have veto power over the other. I mean like in any relationship anybody. does right like if somebody wanted to. see somebody and the other person like. hated one of your partners it's probably. not good so have you guys so Melina. Melina has like an indefinite veto over. you and you have an indefinite veto over. her yeah. if we have like mortal enemies then the. other person's trying to like super them.

it's probably not gonna work out very. well yeah no no no I'm not like leading. you into any kind of like gotcha moment. I just genuinely want to know so if if. she wants to sleep with someone you're. like uh no she has to respect it and. then vice versa for him before. yeah sometimes yeah there's a lot of. like streamer stuff that gets really. dramatic sometimes so yeah. be like explaining the circumstances. like let's say that someone sleeps with. a monogamous person and then they get. really obsessed with you and then it's. kind of like this is really toxic like I. want to keep seeing this person but.

they're like really shitty towards my. partner so of course I would want to. like. like that's not fun it's not fun for me. to listen to someone that I'm sleeping. with that hates my partner or the other. way around too like knowing that he's. living with someone that hates me would. you even understand would you even. entertain that as a woman like you know. this guy like definitely hates you I. usually just sleep with girls oh okay. okay but it could be the same thing with. girls too they want to date me they just. like hate him but that's okay or like. they're monogamous so they're gonna get. really jealous they don't understand the. open mindset like they don't like it's. just gonna be that basically like.

sometimes people will sometimes people. see our Arrangement and it seems like a. fun thing to do it's kind of similar to. friends with benefits where people think. it's a fun thing to do yeah but then. when they try they get really. emotionally attached and then because. we're already in a relationship it gets. really weird yeah has it been difficult. maintaining this Dynamic. um I mean we run into a lot of crazy. people. yeah so how are you probably not. attracting the most sane people in the. first place I try to go for people that. are open or like that are poly now. because it makes things a lot easier so.

we can just avoid like the jealousy. because I don't even think it's really. fair to like I almost feel like when. someone agrees to sleeping with any of. us. and they're thinking it's a fun thing. usually we're like a lot cooler you know. and they don't really realize until. later on and then they get really. obsessed or they feel really really bad. so I usually feel really bad for them. later on as well so I don't think it's. really fair either to do that how long. into your guys's relationship did you. start this Dynamic right at the very. beginning right at the very beginning. yeah so you guys were like right off the. bat like yo let's do it this way this is.

the only relationship I've ever done. whose idea was the whole open. relationship yours doesn't think about. it basically yeah like after my last. relationship I didn't actually ever. think I would date again because. sleeping around is fun and [ __ ] yeah so. the idea of like being locked down to. one person is not fun and I started. talking to her and she was cool and. she's like oh well I do open. relationships I'm like oh [ __ ] this is. like perfect so so I really decided to. get married then and what is that. because she lives in Sweden and I live. in the United States and the only way. she can spend any considerable amount of. time with me is to be married so it was. just a green card just that kind of yeah. but I mean like we love each other too. during the pandemic this just yeah it. was crazy for everybody Visa wise so but.

then we'll probably do like I imagine. we'll do like an official ceremony at. some point we just have to like get the. logistics set up and everything I think. we've been together for long enough to. like over like married we love each. other so I'm not familiar with all of. the regulations or whatever but isn't. there a timeline that if you reach like. five years of marriage uh from a green. card marriage you can get divorced and. the person who is from another country. can keep their green card and at that. point do you think that you will divorce. and then stay together I don't think. we'd ever divorce but the um technically.

don't take legal advice to me but I. think if you're in the United States on. a Visa and you're in the process of. getting the green card you can break up. already and still follow through in your. green card process I've had a few. friends that's done that yeah you don't. even have to go through with the. marriage technically so yeah. and you come from a family where this is. practice right Molina. um I think my parents did do you like. swinger stuff and like open things like. non-monogamous things together I don't. know. um. not at the time like when I was a kid or. anything but like later on when I was. talking to my mom when I was older and I.

was like but open relationship makes a. lot more sense to me she's like oh yeah. I did that too so it's like okay are. your parents still together no. no okay okay. Destiny you didn't you come from like a. Bible Belt background or no like yeah. very good right conservative yeah yeah. do you feel like that's catalyzed your. political evolution. I mean I'm not related to that at all. anymore but it would be stupid to say. that my upbringing didn't influence my. political stuff and I'm sure it has it's. hard to know how it manifests exactly. but yeah I was writing articles for my. school newspaper supporting like Bush. and the Iraq War when I was in high.

school so wow so you're on the other. Spectrum from where you are right now my. mom is Cuban so Cuban people in general. are very very conservative socially. conservative at the time yeah of course. yeah very much like hated not hated gay. people but very much against like LGBT. stuff and all that. um when did that change. as I through high school I became an. atheist and then as I started to get. more once I started streaming when I. found like 21 22 once I started to make. more money my political views started to. shift quite a bit.

interesting. very interesting. do you feel like you're getting. interrogated right now I've answered all. these questions this guy's like a super. [ __ ] streamer this is not his first. rodeo what's the largest what's the. largest stream you've been on how many. live viewers. I think it was when I was covering the. Mischief [ __ ] yeah yeah I think I like. it it was like 70 70k yeah it's on your. stream yeah on YouTube yeah that's. pretty lit it's pretty lit I might have. missed this while I was adjusting my. hair but uh I had oh you calmed it first. yeah you know got to be presentable.

so you guys are in a polyamorous. relationship so and I apologize if I. missed this do you guys both sleep with. other people that's yeah so in what way. are you not a cuck I heard that you got. mad at me for calling you a cook well I. got mad at you for calling me a [ __ ]. because you didn't know anything about. me and you were radiating more pick me. energy than I've ever seen in a girl in. my entire life so yeah I thought it was. really funny but how are you not a cup. is what I asked you know what is that. yeah what is a [ __ ] to you I guess you. know someone likes Nico somebody.

watch is there a woman get [ __ ] by. another man yeah I don't sit and. watching a woman to [ __ ] by another. man someone who allows that well someone. who allows it is just something to open. a relationship. and how do you expect that to last for. the next five years I mean it's lasted. for four years which I think is longer. than any relationship you've been in. right yeah so I think I'm probably doing. okay. I'm 20. okay and I'm 34. and I don't have. someone looking for a green card that's. fine she's already got her Green Card. she's free to leave if she wants do you. guys feel like you're going to be. together into old age like do you want.

to stay together I had the same question. yeah I hope so yeah do you have kids. yeah yeah I think let's just let's just. clear something up too hold on one more. thing snico's not a cuck he did a one. time and he said it was not for him so. you got to drop that okay good to know. do you think he didn't even truly also. to be fair he didn't do the cuck thing. he went to a swingers party he wasn't. into the swinger stuff yeah it's weird. because like you know why the whole like. sexual fetish you can explore related to. Coco which by the way if people are into. cooking that's knock yourself out that's. cool. do you know why he did it. if I had to guess it's because he.

heavily models himself after men that he. respects and Patrice O'Neill talked. about it yeah it was the picture no like. watch Patricia yeah but he did he didn't. go to the party thinking like I want to. watch my girlfriend get [ __ ] and jerk. off in the corner he went to swing and. then he wasn't into it and he left yeah. no the reality was he like I think he. stepped out he felt guilty so he like. gave her a free pass and then he did it. one time he's like this is terrible I. never want to experience this again and. that's it so that's that was years ago. it's not a cook in that case because the. cook likes it yeah yeah yeah and it. continues down the path of [ __ ] holdre. which he does not Nico's question um.

there was a clip of YouTube that. kind of viral on Twitter a few days ago. where you started like ballroom dancing. with some guy in the background of a. stream what was the situation there and. who was that guy. yeah there's a guy on a YouTube called. Abba from Adam preach and I think it's. gonna steal my girl for me is he no he. so he dances she's got like a background. wait I did not look devastated so you. guys are watching it though no I don't. when you guys are watching face though.

when you guys are watching clubs there's. three responses I can have I can either. like laugh about it in which case you're. like oh my God he's coping or I can just. sit there and just watch because I'm. just watching my channel he's gonna be. like oh my God he's secretly terrorized. or I can be like oh no guys like don't. and like joke I'm gonna be like oh my. God he's like secretly coming like. there's literally no response they're. gonna have because you're projecting. like all of your insecurities on the. situation are you seeing that guy no. he's I'm gonna preach from the YouTube. wait do you think that wait hold on do. you think the dancing is [ __ ] because. in that because there's a lot of. there's a lot of there's a lot of. children out there dancing and maybe you.

should do something about it you know oh. yeah careful uh no I was just saying the. the reaction to the clip was obvious. yeah I know but I don't understand why. people are having a big reaction to I. think they were also Destiny looks in. here in it listen in his defense they. were playing hello darkness my old. friend and like zooming in on his face. to like you know show like maybe despair. or something yeah.

so I'm like I was competing in that. sport so if I meet someone that does. some sort of dancing that is with a. partner I can like dance with them. really well and that's like what's the. fun out of it right I think she's saying. like in a traditional sense of things it. looks bad on him but you guys don't have. a traditional [ __ ] other people though I. know I'm just saying no no that's what. I'm saying you guys you guys don't have. a trip like from a traditional. standpoint from traditional span point. it looks bad but you guys are not. traditional I think that's what she's. saying it looks bad but wait wait wait. wait hold on even in a traditional.

aspect like you can go to weddings like. sometimes other people dance with other. people yeah you know. if I marry my wife I'm not okay with her. dancing with it and that's great your. insecurities are yours to deal with but. it's not insecurity. it's not it's not an insecurity it's. just a boundary I have it's not in. that's right but it's not but it's not. it's not just not about security it's. you saying that like in a traditional. relationship this wouldn't be okay. plenty of people dance with other people.

it's not a huge deal now if they were. like [ __ ] grinding on each other some. [ __ ] that'd be different but when. they're going through like moves on like. a ballroom dance thing I don't think I. think that if you got a huge problem. with that I think that's just more about. it so wait why why is my boundary all of. a sudden limited. the problem wasn't your boundary the. problem is you said well in a. traditional relationship you made it. sound like it was a boundary that. everybody should have no you wouldn't. say just me personally okay I did say. just me personally I say the way she's. put her traditionally the way she the. way they're perceiving you but from and. then I built on it saying me personally.

I'm not okay with that sure okay for you. personally hold on Billy you wanted to. go. um I can change the subject a little bit. if you want to no. children. what she's going to ask how can you. raise you an open relationship and have. children at the same time and then we're. going to answer I would probably close. the relationship that was my question. what do you plan on doing when you have. children yeah we would probably not be. [ __ ] around as much because you. wouldn't even have the time do you make. eye contact when you speak or no I'm.

over here well kind of yeah but I can't. really see it I don't want to block the. camera because you know well it's. actually better if he just kind of. maintains more of the street my bad. straight on. um I do have a question for both of you. guys out of curiosity how many how many. men. plan life thing for the uh 50 gifted. we'll we'll get the we'll have to do the. check later on in the show guys thank. you man go ahead uh but besides Destiny. in your guys relationship if you feel. comfortable at answering how many men. have you been with like total I actually. don't really know usually it's just. women.

I'm not sure I mean it's like years ago. right the last time you were with a guy. besides Destiny in your relationship a. long time ago usually just women okay. how many how many women have you been. with besides her in your relationship I. don't think he keeps counting it's a lot. of them okay but like come on give me. like a ballpark yes Destiny's [ __ ] in. these YouTubers no it's not well where.

I'm going with this it's probably 10. times as many as mine it's. a decent amount but it's a cringe to. talk about because it's not gonna like. [ __ ] jerk off over like [ __ ] I I. understand where I was going with that. is like like when was the last time you. were with a guy besides Destiny I don't. remember a year ago two years ago three. years. something like that about a year ago I. think within yeah. when when that happened like did you. feel comfortable with it based on the. amount yeah generally this is the way. that I approach it if I'm gonna hook up.

with somebody it's kind of weird if your. partner is out like [ __ ] somebody or. hang out with somebody in like a. semi-romantic way and then you're. probably just like at home doing. anything like nothing so usually if I'm. going out doing something hopefully. she's got like similar plans and then. vice versa if she's got plans then I've. got plans so no I don't we don't usually. feel bad about it because we're doing. something together generally so it. doesn't create insecurity for you guys. at all I mean it's totally security. basically like normal relationship like. there might be times the only time I. think that insecurity comes creeping in. is if there are other problems in the. relationship so for instance like if. we're fighting a lot and then somebody.

tries to like hook up with somebody then. like that might cause people to feel a. little bit weird but like otherwise no. it's just neither of us care that much. about if we did we wouldn't have an open. relationship I mean I get turned on by. it so you get turned on by him okay yeah. there's other chicks yeah so you're a. [ __ ] Queen yeah I like that Queen yeah I. guess that's a term exactly. um. wait can I ask the panel what the. interest or like the angle is for. interrogating their relationship to this. extent. for me I just genuinely don't know so. I'm going straight to the source yeah I.

I don't I'm not interrogating them I. personally am just curious about it a. little bit like it you guys are no I'm. just I'm just close to like so we. already I think yeah. Aaron you're projecting interrogation. onto me where it doesn't exist I'm I'm. asking because I'm I just know for. myself is that the angle it's curiosity. and and I'm I'm kind of probing into it. because it's like I I can't imagine. being in a situation where you know my. girl was hooking up with another guy and. it wouldn't drive me insane and so you.

know if if it doesn't drive them insane. why were you curious about the number of. men. there's 15 000 people watching and I'm. sure a lot of them would be curious so. it's for the content so juices of course. that's what it is it's a juicy question. exactly curious It's like you're not. trying to break there's there's an. element of curiosity and there's also an. element where I'm trying to make an. interesting show for all the people that. are watching I feel like just because. they're in an open relationship maybe.

that doesn't mean they should be. subjected to like particularly. voluntarily. no I'm curious myself like I didn't. expect that half the panel already would. be just about their relationships.

but you keep dodging all the questions. so we're going to ask that question we. can go to you then no let's go to you. again you just did it again. you're saying I don't want to steal the. attention but you came to a dating show. and you've avoided all the questions. about your dating life yeah besides the. fact that you've never been on a date. for my dating life it's kind of all. under the same umbrella is it though of. course it is yeah yeah of course it is. you're on a dating podcast and you don't. think that your dating life is up for. discussion no I didn't say that it's all. it's all connected questions for the.

monogamous people okay yeah so um. wait you uh. virgin. confirm or deny just give us something. give usually this is like the most. pressing topic for the data it's. literally a yes or no it'll take you one. second to answer the question uh is it. about the duration of how long it takes. to answer a question like that what's up. with the soft history why don't you just. answer it I mean you were evasive about. why you were like Excavating I said I. said because I was curious and because. it's good content after after a lot of a. lot of the deliberation immensely I feel.

like fresh is the best one for her from. the Friendship podcast I feel like she. fits the the archetype that fresh goes. after when what archetype is that chubby. white girl got it. shots fired. just joking fresh love you although I. had a question for you go ahead go ahead. I'm ready thanks plan life you said. earlier with respect to like the dancing. thing yes you said it would be a. boundary of yours to not let your. partner or wife dance with another man.

correct is that really a boundary or. isn't that more of an agreement I feel. like a boundary is something that you. say that I'm going to do or abstain but. I don't know that a boundary can really. like include. um I totally think of them that way I. think a boundaries. I would independently decide I don't. want to do or I do want to engage. no I I I focus. Stephen yeah I would I would I know you.

[ __ ] me you liked me I'm sorry I. missed it there's a boundary they're. talking about they're doing a boundary. in an agreement and a contract continue. I just know when you do your streams. like you're playing factorio and [ __ ]. hello. okay okay okay. just wait wait wait wait I just want to. say something. um earlier you guys were talking about. traditional relationships I was I was. raised in a Hispanic traditional. Catholic Family household.

um the idea that dancing Ballroom or. dancing in general is non-traditional to. me is insane because like all of South. America Central America Spain you know. they dance salsa they dance merengue. that is part like part of the culture. and a lot of people there are very. traditional very Hispanic Catholic well. hold on hold on the issue is not with. the actual dancing the issue is with. Dancing with someone who's not your. partner. why is that what they do yeah. just part of the culture yeah.

I was literally born part of my culture. when it comes to the reaction to that. video that I brought up it was because. of the context around it. the issue is that right now everybody in.

like the red pill like culture that's. like taken over like online [ __ ] is like. obsessed with like cuck and everything. related to it so much that I think it's. actually hidden fantasy for a lot of the. people to talk about it where like if a. guy is talking to somebody else or a. girl's trying to sell like like people. talk about it incessantly it's like. [ __ ] insane more so than it would. have been like even five or ten years. you think it's like projection it's some. kind of weird obsession with like being. cocked or cut like to the point where in. some of these shows I don't think I've. heard it here but people will say things. like if your girlfriend has like a high. body count you start dating her you got. cucked well like if your girlfriend is.

like talking to another guy in a way. that's getting it reminds me of like the. old Fortune copy pasta where it's like. the ultimate cuck is a father that. raises a daughter because he's preparing. his daughter's [ __ ] to get pot. I don't think it has anything to do with. me or the dancing because like she said. in a lot of traditional cultures a lot. of people dance and if you do like. ballroom dance or competition you're not. only competing with a boyfriend right. you're like dancing with like partners. and other people practice with you and. everything so I just think the obsession. has to do like the current culture. around like the whole [ __ ] like this.

is an obsession I think that cuckoldry. and other weird fetishes are being. pushed in both pornography and pop. culture and people are just responding. to that absolutely is an actual fetish. is really rare I think that people. recognize degeneracy and they naturally. say something so it's the it's like this. weird like degenerate angle and then. like the red pill stuff and kind of the. track kind of stuff and the funny stuff. there's a there's a right way to express. sexuality and a wrong way and I guess. you're saying there's not a right or. wrong I've never said that at all.

there's plenty like well you put. degeneracy and weird and Eric well. because anything that you would consider. sexually degenerate yeah but he said we. weren't allowed to talk about some of. that so those those subjects would you. say those are the only things. you're allowed to partake in it in Broad. speaking terms as long as people are. exercising or practicing some sexual. thing that's between them and it's not. hurting anybody else in general I think. it's probably okay for people to do that. if you want to have like a pure. monogamous relationship if you want to. be abstinent so you get married or. whatever and that's how you want to. explain I think that's totally fine but. it seems like people from some.

backgrounds find that they can be. incredibly judgmental of other people's. like sexual exploration which is really. weird to me because they'll get really. fixated on it like I've never had a. conversation before where I'm like. what's it like to like only have your. husband or boyfriend's dick like going. in and out of your [ __ ] like these like. really explicit conversations but then. people come to me and it's like what do. you think about like your wife like. [ __ ] other guys and [ __ ] and it's. like it's really weird that I'll get. like really or like even earlier he's. like so you're bisexual I think you. asked me right do you [ __ ] guys in the. ass if you take dick in your ass I'm. like that's a real thing you asked if I. was a top or bottom right that's.

essentially what you're asking right. which is fine I don't care like the. expansion questions are fun and I'm used. to dealing with it but it's interesting. to me that based on my lifestyle I'll. get like these really explicit questions. and I feel like if you're in a more. traditional relationship if somebody. asks you that you're like well that's. like way over the line which I think is. an interesting that's probably questions. what by me asking there's nothing you. can say the world I think people in ask. questions about your relationship. because I would say the vast majority. they don't think that it's normal or.

conducive to a flourishing long-term. relationship and that's fine especially. a marriage because they think it's. fundamentally humiliating to a man to. not have sexual exclusivity with his. wife and that's totally fine but the way. that the questions are rephrased was. earlier was I'm just curious but it's. not a curiosity I didn't say that but. sure that I said that it's not an actual. curiosity that's right yeah there's a. normative loading of like you're doing. something that I don't approve of and. now I'm going to question you on it. which is fine but like if we want to get. into that then we can get into that well.

I mean rather than like they're like oh. well I'm just curious like does it. bother you that somebody else might like. come on your what and I'm like Jesus. Christ I don't know let's let's back up. a second yeah you're kind of projecting. that the disapproval does exist but the. question because these two at least have. explicitly said it right yeah so it does. existed. it's not necessarily that the questions. are rooted in disapproval it's more just. that like like your guys's relationship. Dynamic is it's a taboo in society so. people are curious and they have. questions right well you are I think. you're curious I'm treating you as good. faith you're curious like these two are.

the very least and by the way there's. nothing wrong with being disapproving. but these two questions are coming from. like a don't you realize that this is. really bad is I like that that's like. the angle of the question basically. which is like understanding or curious. yeah it's like I'm just gonna bully you. okay for what you're doing and you're. just fine do you guys feel bullied by. them I don't feel bullied I love it. Molina does a little bit no it's just. like negativity not understanding yeah. yeah can you work on trying to find the. what would be a good keyword for us to. uh I mean I don't want to do that hold.

on I don't want to do the video where. there's like the music over it I want. you with the music and resume if you. want whatever you want copyright. um try to Eric try to find just Abba. Destiny dancing video while we do that I. just have pretty sure you go to Twitter. or Andrew Tate's Twitter everybody's. everybody's recently to the video so you. can find it on there probably wait I'm. kind of curious how do you guys Define. degeneracy like what do you guys do you. guys have like a general definition for. it or do you just say like oh I don't. like that it's the general I mean I I.

personally I don't know about you guys I. would personally say off the cuff things. that like degenerate the stability of. society right ones that are contributing. to the fall of the West yes okay but so. like this is the examples Chase yeah. like this is still a very good exactly. examples of degeneracy examples of. degeneracy I would say like uh women. getting ran through in their 20s I think. I think polyamory is degenerate no. offense. um I think it has damp if if it was to. be widespread throughout Society I think. it would really tear and rip at the. fabric of society and things would fall.

apart very quickly don't. homosexuality transsexuality and then. like you know stuff like alcoholism. addiction all these kind of things like. I think all that's degenerate you know. okay your definition of degeneracy is. basically. um if everybody did it then society. would fall apart and that's why it's. generate if just one person does it it's. it's degenerate for both Society at. large and also for individuals right. like homosexuality for example there's a. lot of homosexuals that have early. mortality because of the diseases that. are associated with homosexuality you.

could also say the same for people that. have you know do rampant fornication get. STDs through that it's degenerate for. the individual as well and it starts to. wear a part of their body their mind. their soul all these things right it's. very unhealthy on an individual level. and on a societal level as well and. you're worried about this specifically. degenerating the West like homosexuality. you know all of this cuckold tree uh I. would say I would say the the evidence. is. abundant that it is currently. degenerating it is already generating a.

massive rate yeah gender bending sodomy. homosexuality these things have never. happened in Europe that's so true they. however symptoms of like the declining. societies I mean we're not the first. people to think that you can like have. sex with a guy or change your gender I. mean there have been sexual Revolutions. in different capacities throughout. history and no Society has ever survived. those types of revolutions typically. like a sign of the decline happening. Sodom and Gomorrah do you think our. society is on the brink of collapse I. don't know if I would say the brink I. think that's alarmist but we're. definitely uh heading in the wrong. direction every marker of a healthy.

nation in America is heading in the. opposite direction just because of what. people are doing I don't think that it's. not just because of that yeah do you. think it's too sophisticated yeah I. think these things are what were the. cause of collapse or do you think that. there are other factors like economic. factors or factors relating to like. let's say um illness disease widespread. that might be the cause or the causes of. the societies falling the only disease. killing America is like the woke mind. virus where everybody just like trying. to [ __ ] woke up there was a literal.

disease killing America. as Progressive as you are like you've. seen sometimes these people are too. [ __ ] I fight with them all the time. no no I don't recognize it like. conservatives are really telling people. not to get vaccinated but we think that. like gay people are like ruining Society. more than that but no there's there's. good there's good reason for that though. yes there is tell us the reason why is. gay people I saw one woman I saw one. woman take the vaccine speaking to. listen I saw one woman take the vaccine. and become [ __ ] that was enough for. me to be like no I'm just not gonna.

[ __ ] do it you know what's what's the. toss one person did not take the vaccine. and die that was enough for me let's. let's avoid the vaccine talk let's let's. avoid the vaccine no no I I do agree. though because like especially with like. Hollywood and tick tock tick tock is. like predominantly used by teens and the. algorithm is sort of catered towards. left lenient ideals like oh there's this. there's that and it's sort of teaching. kids that this is what you have to be. this is the right way to think and it. sort of shames them into forming their. own opinions.

I mean it's controlled by I mean it's. controlled by China and bite dance like. if the actual Chinese Tick Tock doing is. actually feeding their population way. different stuff like Engineers. scientists like these kids over in China. like the number one career they want to. be is like an astronaut in America it's. a YouTuber yeah I think I think The. Tick-Tock algorithm is probably fifth. generation Warfare that China is using. thousand percent China continually. divide America and push us towards a. collapse Civil War if you touched like.

Main Street like regular people behind. the firewall in China they don't [ __ ]. like America at all at all and they're. like totally down for Chinese domination. we're their biggest trading. partnering Focus though because. it's so well I think. I think just a dating podcast I noticed. this with a lot of this kind of like red. pill stuff is that like everything I. didn't cut you off for record I wanted. to hear your perspective yeah no no I. didn't see you coming up did you no no. no just continue with your thoughts yeah. there's like it's never just about like.

dating or just about Tick Tock it's. always got to be part of this grander. plan to like like I like how we get into. this conversation like what about your. relationship well I think this is. causing the fall of the West and it's. like holy [ __ ] like geez. why is gay sex causing damage to society. okay so that's a great question what I. would say is the family is at the. Bedrock of civilization as a whole if.

you have a nation full of Healthy. Families then you're going to have a. healthy Nation right but there's an. attack on the nuclear family feminism is. a prime example right feminism is. something that divides men and women it. causes a lot of tension in households. and as a result of that that you know. that's one thing that contributes to. Broken families if you have a nation. that's full of broken families you have. a nation that's slowly going to fall. apart and we see that happening right. now all right a lot of likes there. aren't a lot of heterosexual like. marriages ending in divorce anyway so it. has nothing to do with gay sex or. anything okay yeah your question is a.

lot of family that's already breaking. apart from for other reasons so so why. are you not focusing on those sort of. things so let's I'll answer it in the. frame of homosexuality have you seen. like any of the data on population. collapse that's projected in the next. like 50 years there's a lot of countries. around the world that are not uh having. children at the replacement rate. necessary in order to continue. maintaining their their society have you. seen any of that data I'm very familiar. with I am okay so like you know the Elon. Musk talks about this all the time if. and if you look at the data on.

homosexuality like a few Generations ago. it was like less than two percent of. people were homosexual and it's five. percent ten percent gen Z they're around. like 23 identifying as lgbtq. to clarify if we're going to do. geopolitics the 20 identifying is lgbtq. are most are predominantly bisexual it's. not people that are actually becoming. gay number one number two population. collab is not happening because of. degeneracy or LGBT stuff I would say. it's a contributing factor that's fine. but you'd be wrong the reason why it's. happening is because when countries. develop and people are given the. opportunity to explore lives they're not.

just saying like oh I'm 22 I'm gonna. have a ton of kids that's been the big. issue now I feel really strongly about. this because there arguably is an issue. relating to population collapse like we. can talk about replacing people or. whatever but like those conversations. need to be intelligent and they have to. revolve around what's actually happening. which is women getting access to. reproductive control like birth control. and women entering school and the job. market those are the two massive driving. factors the reality is is if you put a. bright future in front of somebody and. you say you want to pursue that or do. you want to have four kids by the time.

you're 24 most women are reasonably. choosing like oh I think I'd rather. actually like live my life and do this. so I'm pretty sure every single woman at. this table is probably made the same. choices all the conservative women that. talk about it generally make the same. choices but they'll tell you like oh. like look at just pearly things right. we'll Echo all of the we need to have. kids and blah blah and she doesn't. either right I think that the issue is. that we've given women access to all of. these things and they really enjoy it. and now we need to have a conversation. what are we going to do for a future. population because blaming gay people. isn't going to put that back in the box. I think that's the big issue those are. those are some Fair points. please please Erin hold on a second let.

me respond to everything that he just. said sure okay go for it. you raised a number of fair points. the idea that like the most attractive. thing to women is going out there making. their career like living their life so. on and so forth and that's what like. basically all these women want. conservative women included I would. rebut that by saying I I've heard from. thousands of women that are in the early. 20s conservative especially and all they. want is to have kids but they're finding. it difficult to find a man who actually. wants marriage and who also can provide.

for them like I hear from girls every. single day they're like I wish so badly. I could find a guy who would want to get. married and would want to have kids with. me okay that like the idea that all. these women would just want to go out. there and like live their lives and have. their careers and stuff that's not true. that's great but I can't argue against. your thousands of women all I can do is. look at stuff right right showing that. women are increasingly less happy yes. stats on happiness have been notoriously. difficult to track but if we look at. actual behaviors women are over like for. instance what we what we would have said. 40 or 50 years ago is women don't really.

like school and they're not going to sit. in math class because women just don't. learn like that they don't enjoy doing. that and what we've seen is when we open. schools to women not only are they doing. really well they potentially out-compete. men in schools they might even be more. geared towards like learning in a. classroom environment than men who would. rather like go outside and play and like. be more physical right so I think we. have to be careful with this assumption. that women are built to want to have. children and do that a ton because women. are overwhelmingly choosing to go to. college and go get jobs and like enter. the career field I think that if we just. work on the assumption that well they. don't really want to do that we're going. to be having the same conversation 20 30.

40 years and people like you're going to. be like well I don't know what's. happening is it the woke people pushing. women to to go to college or I don't. know like well I've talked to hundreds. of women that seem unhappy well if. you're really a woman I mean this is. true if you're 21 20 to 23 and you're. looking to have a family to settle down. you can do it you're going to find a man. that'll want to do it but you just you. can't live they can't you can't but they. promise they want that but then they. want to live in LA Miami New York Austin. a lot of them don't know. I promise if you're a woman and you want. to find a husband that will take care of. you just have kids you know go to the.

[ __ ] Midwest go to [ __ ] Montana go. to [ __ ] there's tons of plays we can. find men that will do this but you don't. want to do that you want to live in one. of the 10 most expensive cities in the. United States. that's a fair point but to go back to. the original subject I would say like. hookup culture our current dating. culture that is especially incentivizes. like the red pill stuff that especially. incentivizes men to like increase their. value and go and hook up with as many. women as they possibly can like that's. something that's degenerate that's. decreasing the birth rates to just pass.

off the whole like lgbtq rates. increasing as a non-factor when it comes. to population replacement I don't think. that's fair obviously if you have a. quarter of your population that's not. interested in heterosexual monogamous. relationships not a quarter those are. mainly bisexuals but even even bisexual. like the people the people that are. being conditioned by our culture to be. interested in that like that's obviously. going to have a negative effect on birth. rates so it does play into it it doesn't. I promise you what could you say because. if you Google everything an. industrialized country on Earth as they.

become industrialized women have less. children every single industrial country. he's a thousand percent right the more a. country Trends towards being more. industrialized the birth rate does drop. yes yes and and that database the. original question was how does. homosexuality contribute. also being homosexual doesn't actually. preclude you from fathering any children. on the top of the to-do list for gay.

guys gay guys aren't like trying to. [ __ ] start a family hold on hold on. let's move away from this topic because. it's probably a little POS it's probably. a little [ __ ] to us uh wait is it. probably I mean population stuff I mean. talking about I doubt it I doubt it. personally if you want to change the. subject yeah I I do need to I do need to. announce a couple things here so I feel. like you should give it because she. wanted to talk for a long time and we. cut her off a lot you should give it I. was just gonna say I think partially the. reason why women are so unhappy in these. and not finding people is because of the.

the very recent Embrace of promiscuity. how they're putting themselves out there. as like I don't want to say [ __ ]. because that's a bit Draconian but. you know the hookup culture has really. destroyed everyone both sides men and. women yeah 100 yep um so hold on hold on. hold on okay so we I mean you feel great. because you're married to like a. millionaire just a heads up but I'm. making a lot of money myself as well a. good amount.

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father who is married to your biological. mother No Such Thing an independent. females either your father husband. Pastor or the state is in charge numbers. chapters 30 L feminism. um okay I guess show of hands who here. grew up with their. mother and father in tactical mother and. father biological mother father okay all. right we have a non would be interesting. to hear Virgin Mary debate. farha that's your friend yeah.

uh Mia Khalifa from a couple shows ago. both very smart and logical but. completely opposite perspectives it. seems we're I think we're gonna have her. back so that could be cool to get a. ranch quick question on pharah I. asked her if she was. interested in you that's so creepy what. the [ __ ] why is Zachary I'm just saying. I'm trying I'm trying to be your wingman. destiny I'll answer that question if you. tell me if you two who would be the. topper bottom yo what the [ __ ] I'm. actually gonna imagine it or if I'm okay.

with doing that yeah it sounds great I. don't consent yeah but you've been. imagining you how is him asking that. creepy when you've literally been. graphically explaining like gay sex like. Oh Come This is that because you guys. are the ones asking the questions. like Juvenile and childish to be like oh. it's you and pharah like you know what's. juveniles. Juvenile and childish your refusal to. just answer a basic question and can. continually try to is it to answer that. question or is like asking the question.

in the first one why is it why is it. every time you get asked a question you. respond with another question and you're. probably gonna do it right now but I'd. like just a straight response yeah yeah. why can't why can't you just give a. straight response. you do really like straight things right. like straight people heterosexuality. yeah. okay yeah why are you being bad faith. why I mean you came to a dating podcast. why were you yeah we have a womp womp. womp I think bad faith would be you guys. saying that you just had a curiosity in.

their open relationship and then. yeah. you wonder yeah that's what I was gonna. say you know wonder why you haven't had. a boyfriend [ __ ] I don't know. you're breaking my heart oh sorry all. right someone are you gonna keep this up. for the rest of the podcast like will. you answer the answer you know the. answer for a long time that's pretty. good stamina like you make me wonderful. so did you did you just come to troll.

oh. of course not it's a very serious dating. fresh get your girl bro fresh get your. girl DM her it's a waste of time. all right yeah yeah we have to get back. to the serious questions like uh Destiny. Chopper bottom. why are you so curious kind of a bad. faith question towards Destiny he. already said he doesn't want to answer. it true. what are we gonna talk about next you. guys. where were we. were reading super chats what's the next. one yeah just go through the series and.

I'm still waiting on the video of him. don't pull it up yet let me do the super. chats or these little donations here uh. lindsby thanks for the donation for the. bunnells why isn't your spouse enough. for you and why did you marry if you. found them lacking why not keep it a. situationship quick answer. trying to [ __ ] around other people. word okay uh. I guess is the same thing same answer. okay and nobody think for the uh. donation Destiny are you on your normal.

amount of cocaine tonight or is it a. larger dose doesn't seem like it's. correcting the extra bro that's kind of. mean I don't know say read it you sure. do I have your okay it's like it's. correcting the extra body fat though. maybe do more push-ups and less push. downs from the boys cheers. that guy said a video of him doing. questions not my words not my words okay. abuse don't shoot the messenger don't. shoot the message you probably really. like your reading that as well you.

probably was squeezing his. you were saying all that. it's lovely okay I'm home man what's. next we have so many super chats yeah. I like how serious which one this is. give a lot of the donate money to [ __ ]. on me in these shows though you're. welcome okay read them all okay can you. actually like pull out your phone and. like send one right now yeah do you want. me to [ __ ] up and send two again because. I'm too [ __ ] stupid to figure it out. is there like a pay Pig component at all. like can we. you know what Destiny every single.

stream I have yeah you need to send one. [ __ ] up one [ __ ] up and one normal one. and one normal one deal is that fair. I'll think about it I think think about. it think about it and we'll shout you. out so it's like Samara I think my. stream and stuff yeah I'll plug your. stream what's next what do we got. uh that we'll do some more later let's. flip that video go ahead Eric okay. you sure you want this I mean well do. you have like a box of tissues in case I. want to like cry a little bit or. um I have uh use your wife's hair crying. oh this is long uh.

is it the beginning just go to the. beginning I reckon video tap video tap. big hands. did that for me turn you on. um it would have been more if I was. turning around watching you know you. yeah the reason why my face is like. silver is I'm just staring into the. camera like Imagining the whole time. like I wish all the time. I think that was the worst part is the. audio.

no not in in the YouTube player in the. YouTube look I haven't done this for. years and I'm doing so well you're not. focusing on great I'm dancing nope no. really you're looking at the downfall of. the West you guys this is why Russia if. you do look like you want to die here. you can't deny that that's always how I. stare at my street what am I supposed to. look like I don't know maybe that's just. what you look like huh. I don't think you've ever seen me dance. either what you never see me dancing no. I don't yeah I've been married for four. years and he hasn't seen you dance. [Music].

partner. that's how I knew man she started. flexing them shoulders and then traps I. was like keep it going for a little bit. you're almost done um next [ __ ] video on. me thing that's true what did you say. what did you say I said he's collecting. footage for the next five video because. I know these clips are going to show up. like a million times literally no matter. what happens.

did you feel a little something during. that no no you didn't no I'm like. traumatized for my dancing because my. teachers were really insane. overreacted to this video and twisted it. into something that it's not but my. question is like why did you make your. open relationship polyamory whatever. available public information why did you. start talking about it why did you make.

it uh something that you can be mocked. about so I'm super open about almost all. aspects of my life for a variety of. reasons one is because I don't like it. when people present like a false front. um there's online I think for social. media we can talk about appearances. you've got filters makeup plastic. surgery like everything online is fake. you've got people that present their. lives as being way better than they. actually are you've got people that lie. about like the problems they have I like. that I'm online you can see there's a. lot of really good things I do I'm. obviously well accomplished I'm pretty. popular I've been doing this for 12 or. 13 years there's a lot of mistakes that.

I've made whether it's words I've said. actions have been involved in ways that. I live my life and I'm really open about. all of that because I think that right. now in my life I'm very happy I've been. very happy for most my life but I didn't. get there by being a perfect person or. pretend to be a perfect person and I. also like I like that I can represent. like different things so like France is. like I know that like being buying. coming on shows like this obviously. everybody roasts me for it and says my. opinion is a relationships don't matter. et cetera et cetera but there's also a. lot of people that are like wrestling. with feelings like that and they show me. an email like oh I think it's cool that. like you talk about this but it's not. like your entire personality or you. don't feel bad about it or you don't let. other people tear you down about it so. yeah I like to be open about like all of.

the aspects of my life because I think. it's good to show that there are a. variety of Lifestyles you can live and. I'm not gonna let the crazy LGBT people. monopolize those Lifestyles right so if. you think about somebody who might be. polyamorous or bisexual you're not. exclusively thinking of the guy that's. doing like the Kink at Pride Parade. where they've got like the doggy costume. on and they're running around talking. about I think of ugly morbidly obese. people on Tick Tock who are at polycules. that's what I think of yeah so I like to. do so I liked it hopefully my very. intention is a little bit about me. associated with the worst so you're. happy that we're being open I think.

you're very attractive obviously oh so. wait wait hold on one second what the. [ __ ] is polycule it's a group of people. who are polyamorous with each other or. whatever oh is that like a Pokemon or. something or it sounds like it yeah okay. um question for you Destiny um have you. or both of you have you guys always been. Bali or any periods of monogamy or just. always like this what were you born like. this is there a gene in our relationship. if there's like a lot of fighting going. on we try to like kind of tighten up for. a little bit so that there's not because. obviously we're like fighting and then.

people are like banging other people is. probably gonna compound it to a lot of. them fire some more questions for you. Destiny yeah go for it the inquisite. these are pretty tamed I like it yeah go. ahead um. have are you uh. running through chicks in Miami just. like I don't I sexual okay for me sexual. relations are fun because one I like. women yeah two I like the friendships. that I have with women and then three. it's fun to be sexual people that you. have friendships with that are women. those are like fun things for me to. explore but it's not about like running. up a body count it's not the like oh my.

God I [ __ ] somebody it's just like a. fun activity they like to engage with. like a connection. are you sure yeah that'd be good for the. memes it's just more fun when you can. like connect and like be closer. by yourself because you get to know. someone a lot deeper than just like. going out to eat or whatever like. hanging out for a long time or like. clothes there's a lot more but because. like I get the impression like I think. you probably have [ __ ] killer game. dude so and you're in Miami yeah you've. got to be running through the chicks. number one game is very relative to the.

crowd that you're in right I think I do. have really good game but only with like. a certain style of girl if you would. have put me into a [ __ ] nightclub in. Miami for like a year I might [ __ ] one. trick if I'm lucky because that is like. totally not amazing but if you believe. don't understand yourself no but if. you're like a college campus with like. nerdier chicks or like chicks that are. more into like uh you know whatever [ __ ]. you'd be studying they probably do. exactly yeah or like gamer girls or. people that are into like music or. whatever I do a lot better so it depends. on like the scene so like in Miami like. I'm not like out there like banging. tricks like bbls and [ __ ] I don't even. know if I could ever score like that.

ever I would never be able to do it I'm. with you about okay. and the Germans you were earlier and I. don't know if there's like oh no no no. question question to add on to Brian's. are you running through dudes in Miami. Jesus Christ uh no not typically no. um. still asking still asking I mean curious. I'm curious I have some thoughts. underneath all of this and I'm not gonna. tell what it is where it comes I'm just. I'm curious don't worry about he's. running through children he's running. through dudes yeah you're looking for.

tips or what not exactly. um. I'll pass banter tonight feel sexually. harassed right now has been topped here. everyone is rubbing your leg against. this guy like a horny dog how can I not. look at him man. okay and that's with the wig off but I. agree with you there as far as uh you. know the bbls and the fake tits. hold on I'm not saying that like if you. want to do the bbl7 all that that's. totally fine I'm gonna judging it I'm. just saying that that's not my scene. like girls that's not your type of girl.

yeah they would hate me and I probably. wouldn't get along with them right yeah. um question for you very serious. question. have you hooked up with any of the girls. who have been on fresh and fit I'm not. going to talk about it okay here's like. a broad rule that I have that's bad game. no no here's a broad world that I have. too okay one is a lot of women that do. hook up with streamers or whatever don't. like to ever be public about it for a. variety of reasons because you look bad. there's associations it's just too. dramatic and then two I will never on. shows I will never confirm or deny.

certain types of girls because what. happens is if I deny some and I say no. comment for others people will start. like piece together so I usually just as. a rule of thumb I don't ever like out. people if somebody else wants to talk. about it they're like oh yeah we hooked. up whatever but I'll never be like the. first one to out stuff like that fair. enough yeah a gentleman thanks true. gentleman okay. um so YouTube requested initially to. come on and then you also wanted Destiny. to to join us you two describe. yourselves as feminists is that yeah. um so. what does that mean to you to be a. feminist I believe in equal rights.

between women and men okay I believe. that a woman should have the right to. choose whether she wants to stay at home. and be traditional I think that's cool. sure if she wants to go to the workforce. I think that's cool as well. um I just think that they should have. those opportunities available to them. to me it just means gender Equity. Liberation and the promotion of women's. success financially socially. economically you said Equity there. um what do you mean by Equity because. equality I have a fairly good.

understanding of but Equity is a bit. more. um I think modern iterations of feminism. have kind of moved away from trying to. find equality and complete and total. parity between the Sexes and the genders. and like a one-to-one way I think it's. less about trying to find this golden. mean that's probably never going to. exist and more about like where do we. see deficiencies for the genders and on. the basis of sex or gender and how can. we accommodate everybody and make sure. everybody's needs are being met and that. nobody's being discriminated against on. that basis alone on the subject of.

gender if I may ask what is a woman. don't. need that question you're just gonna get. another question maybe maybe she wants. to answer it I mean I okay so I feel. like every single time I try to come up. and answer with this and I try to think. it logically through I run into some. problems so usually what I try to do is. I do ask other people to Define it first. because I rather work on their. definition and see if everything tracks. because so far every definition that's.

been presented to me like there's some. logical position okay but what is a. woman just to me a woman seems to be. somebody who presents as a woman who. acts as a woman societally you can't use. the same term in the definition of the. term that's not 100 True um if you know. about functional definitions that's like. I don't want to get into behavioral. psych that's gonna be a whole other. thing but basically. um we have these conceptions of what a. woman is what how they present um the. certain feminine features certain ways.

that they dress and we tend to say okay. if you wear skirts dresses. um have long hair that's a woman so. whether it should be considered that or. not is a completely different story that. then starts running into logical. inconsistencies consider gorlock a woman. I don't know who gorlock is the fat [ __ ]. I don't know about it. but I would love to you pixie um if I. look at somebody and uh they identify as. a woman but I don't I don't know that.

and I just totally register that person. as a man in my mind and that's how I. interact with them then is that person a. woman well that's where we start running. into logical inconsistencies right I. would say basically the main thing is. identifier right. um so why is that the main thing though. because when we say chromosomes when we. say biology and try to use that. definition the reality here is that I. didn't not check anybody's chromosomes. in here before calling them a manner or. genitals.

calculations but if your brain is making. about someone's appearance which makes. you register them as either one or the. other exactly we're making assumptions. based on appearances not genitalia or. chromosomes so there seems to be some. sort of inconsistency if we try to. Define it biologically because we don't. actually act that way in reality I. didn't check your genitalia I didn't. check your chromosomes I just assumed. because of how you presented yourself. that you were a woman so I agree like. it's a complicated subject it feels like.

there's inconsistencies whenever we try. to Define it like hey but wait a second. just because I wear short hair does that. make me not a woman anymore of course. not so it is a complicated subject I'm. not here to pretend I have all the. answers actually I don't think we find. it John what do you think about that I. think that you're intellectualizing it. too much I think if we took 100 people. and just had them identify every person. at this panel are you a man or are you a. woman they would with 100 accuracy be. able to discern the by biological sex. even without seeing the chromosomes or. the genitalia they would know that's. definitely not true.

you could find like femboys and stuff on. Twitter that are more feminine than the. most feminine women you're right and so. here's sort of the problem I don't like. the the way that the conservatives and. in particular some of the daily wire. crowd handle this I understand why they. do it they're trying to attack the. problem head on but you're right when. you say it's not sufficient to define a. Woman by her biology you know if you say. like the sort of crude you know people. make a lot of money now selling T-shirts. like real women don't have dicks and. it's like okay yeah well real women also. shouldn't speak that way frankly it's. sort of like your definition earlier for.

example like I couldn't ask you what an. ant is and you couldn't reply like an. ant is a creature that acts like an ant. like there has to be some way that that. creature is behaving naturally and I. think that women in their natural state. tend to not always but tend to behave a. certain way and tend to look at look a. certain way and conservatives I think. are afraid to acknowledge that because. we have so much internalized feminism. and liberalism in the sense that we. don't want to pretend that that exists. like that women act a certain way and a. certain way and so we do want to keep it. in a comfortable area a comfortable area. of like oh well my biology textbook says.

this and you know you look like this but. in the next 10 15 years Chase and I were. talking about this earlier as the. surgeries continue as the hormones. continue the makeup you won't be able to. tell and it won't be sufficient to just. look at somebody and be able to say oh. you're a man or you're a woman and so it. can't purely be cosmetic it can't purely. be biology biological it's almost this. like metaphysical discussion that I. don't think anyone's ready to have so in. a way the woke people are actually more. correct because they're trying to have a. conversation about the essence of gender. and the right is just like oh well men. and women there's only two of them and.

that's just a losing point of view so I. actually agree in a way with what you're. saying I just don't agree with the. conclusion part of the reason why I. asked the question you mentioned that. you're a feminist and you believe in. fighting for women's rights so on and so. forth and there's this interesting thing. that started to happen in our society. where I've seen a number of articles. about this in recent years it came up on. a couple podcasts ago there are. biological males that are being. convicted of crimes and before they go. to their sentencing they I all of a. sudden start identifying as women and. they get sent to female prisons where. they will then go to the female prisons.

and they will rape the female inmates. and impregnate them chase bro sorry I. forgot dude they will grape them a. little too late scuffed dude yeah sorry. um anyways like as somebody who believes. in fighting for women's rights like. don't you feel like that kind of. jeopardizes women's rights. um I think that when it comes to like. the whole idea of like a sudden. makeshift gender. um saying oh no like suddenly I identify. as a woman so I can get into a woman's. prison and rape woman. um that is something oh I'm sorry I keep.

saying no I'm sorry. um keep going but yeah that is something. that would be worrisome absolutely. um and that kind of goes back to this. whole idea of like okay how long should. a person be able to present or are there. other markers that we can actually like. the psychologist can talk to have a real. conversation and be able to determine. like what are your true like incentives. or motives. um I don't know how common these cases. are I do feel and I just bring this up. not to try to derail let me just say.

that that the day we had that. conversation it happened again later. that day like it's probably pretty. common I I mean the reason why I kind of. want to push back on that is because one. percent of the population in the United. States is trans right so that means like. the percentage of people who are trans. and also going to jail are probably like. less than I if I had to guess like less. than point to a point three percent. right so it just doesn't seem like it's. like unless if you have a stat saying. the majority of trans people are going. to jail. for representation hold on one second it.

could be happening in jail it could be. happening in women's restrooms like. these kind of assaults happen all over. the place and it's like for me it's like. okay I hear you say that you're a. feminist but it's like I feel like a. true feminist would really work to. protect actual biological women from. this whole situation being taken. advantage of assault is already illegal. though I'd like to add on it's already. illegal but it's being made it's being. made. easier it's being made easier as a. result of the direction that our society. has gone in and it's like I feel you.

know that women who stand against this. stuff they call them turfs right trans. exclusionary radical feminists but it's. like I feel like there's nothing radical. about it I feel like a true feminist. would actually work to protect her. sisters when stuff like this is is. coming up Mr Chase may I add on to that. I just wanted to ask how masculine in. the face does someone have to be before. you're uncomfortable in a bad with them. what do you mean I'm that's what was. your question how masculine in the face. does someone have to be before you. yourself I'm asking you have you ever. been in the bathroom like a Butch. lesbian I have I'm asking you okay I'm a.

[ __ ] lesbian like by definition present. pretty masculinity. they're clearly still women I'd like for. you to let me finish I'm asking you. personally. how masculine in the face does someone. have to be before you yourself feel. uncomfortable and unsafe in the bathroom. with them I honestly wouldn't feel. uncomfortable or unsafe in the bathroom. unless if that person and also this. applies to CIS woman as well unless that. person started trying to like interact. with me some way in the bathroom right. you saw Jason in the women's restroom. how would you react how would you react.

if you saw a Buck Angel in the women's. restroom I think this is the issue right. is it like Angel is it a trans man who's. very masculine yeah okay but but they. have a vagina I'm assuming I gotta catch. up on all this vagina in the bathroom. would that not make you feel and your. Tate did a very interesting video on. this where he asked me but it's like if. I saw Buck Angel in in the man the men's. bathroom like I'd be like okay like. whatever I don't care yeah. if you went into the women's restroom. yeah well women are more horrible than. men so it matters less who's going into.

the men's bathroom no no no we're saying. if you take Hulk Hogan and you give him. a vagina and then he enters a woman's. restroom when you see them you're gonna. say like oh my God like you know that's. a male or whatever but you don't know. they have a vagina so the question. becomes like a lot more like murky or. the answer to the question becomes a lot. more murky because you're saying like oh. how masculine um do they have to look. before you're uncomfortable but at the. end of the day they have a vagina aren't. they okay. if you gave him a vagina.

China via sex operation if you have a. woman if you have a woman if you have a. woman or somebody who's biologically. born female whatever. um and they start injecting like that's. the definition okay okay if you have a. woman or like biologically born female. that's the definition you're working. with and they start injecting themselves. with like steroids start you know. grinding start working out testosterone. surgery to get you know their boobs. replaced whatever. um now they're just like super muscular.

person that looks like a guy and they go. into the woman's restroom would that be. okay with you guys no probably not. actually I don't think the female body. is like ready to process those kinds of. hormones one of you also mentioned the. butch lesbian have you seen the rates of. domestic violence among those types of. couples I wouldn't frankly want them. maybe they should have like their own. bathrooms. vulnerable which is absolutely insane. well no no I think the argument is women. are not necessarily vulnerable in. bathrooms there's not like this episode.

vulnerable than men. there's not this episode. okay this is like a really fantastic. scenario number one number two grapes. number two okay and I don't know if this. is like an SNL skit or something but. like if a Grapist is chasing you and. you're a woman it's not like running. into the bathroom is going to protect. you right so the idea that nobody was. proposing that it was but then but if. there's somebody should just be. considered socially acceptable the it's. just it already is. in in some countries okay so like in.

Sweden for instance there's Just. Bathrooms where everybody goes in and. there's like an individuals yeah there's. plenty of this place that exists. nobody's out there graping everybody all. over their bathrooms it's not this is. like such a nice we didn't like the. great Capital yes. that's because in like 2013 they did a. massive redefinition to open up what's. 200th grade 2018. yes number one but I'm just saying that. like I think that there's a valid reason. to talk about protecting women's spaces. I think there's a really good. conversation we had about like women's.

sports but the bathroom example is one. of the silliest weirdest things that. gets brought up constantly there is not. an epidemic of people getting graped in. the bathroom and if there was a female. sign with a dress it's not going to stop. it why do women need to come up with a. reason that they don't want men in the. bathroom with them though I don't need a. specific reason why can't it just yeah. wait you don't you're the one that's. pretending they need the reason because. if you say no I'm not you are because if. you say I'm uncomfortable with somebody. being in the bathroom just because like. I feel like the women's bathroom should.

be just for people with vaginas whatever. that's a fine argument you can start. there but when it's like I'm worried. they're gonna assault me I'm not forget. something that's part of it but it's. certainly not that part of it you are. correct with the assault wait hold on. real quick because I cut her off at what. point does someone else's Comfort at. what point should that be prioritized. over someone else's safety the problem. is who's Comfort because we always talk. about this on the biological women's you. say that but so for instance let's say. that I'm a traditional father and I'm. going to take my boy to the bathroom. okay let's say he's six years old and. then Blair white comes walking into the.

bathroom you would defend that because. you said well she's a biological male. but I might feel really uncomfortable if. I'm a traditional Mom I'm a Christian as. a man you're far more able to protect. yourself. hold on we're not talking about who's. getting assaulted I'm just saying in. terms of comfort because earlier you. said it's just about comfort in the. bathroom so if I'm a traditional male. I'm a Christian man and all of a sudden. somebody like Blair white walks up to. the stall and starts peeing in and my. six-year-old son is saying he's like Dad. uh I didn't know women could do that. well what am I supposed to say now my. comfort is being it right so I feel like.

there has to be like a better Middle. Ground here other than like all trans. people no that's that's the point you. don't say my comfort is being violated. son you say son that's a biological male. but he's pretending to be a woman yeah. but that conversation is going to be. really complicated yeah I don't think so. it okay but we live in a crazy world son. there's a lot of people always live in a. crazy world okay it's getting crazy I. think America's at all time high. craziness yeah we're like if you think. that we're at an all-time high Jessica. sure how good the country is if the. biggest problem you have are who's going. into who's bathroom Okay like there are. countries that are at War right now. there are multiple countries speaking.

genocides right now and there are tons. of horrible problems around the world. but if your biggest issue is who's. I think you're doing okay. I think homelessness on the west coast. is an extreme issue that would be. something that I would consider being. experience. regardless and you're out here saying oh. there's wars being fought well that's. not what's going on here sure well there. are kind of ways. I'm just saying that if you want to have. a conversation about the bathroom okay I.

think it's valid to say I feel a little. bit uncomfortable if there are people. that clearly look like a man entering. the bathroom and there's a lot of trans. people that agree with that too I think. that's a fine conversation but when it. goes into this very weird world of like. I think they're going to do these essays. and these like all this stuff going like. I don't think sexual assaults I don't. think that like that's a legitimate. concern. aside I think it's a principle of it I. think the discussion is safety and what. not I think the bathroom has little to. do with it I think it's just and again. you're you're like saying you're saying. you're using but but then you're. agreeing with me I don't disagree yeah.

if you want another principle you can. argue the principle but don't [ __ ]. fixate on like essays in the bathroom. for translating. so initially what I was asking YouTube. is YouTube's when you contacted me you. said you both were feminists. um and you kind of described a little. bit about what that means. um I I suppose my question is um what do.

you believe in as a feminist and chiefly. do you believe in the patriarchy Theory. um yes I believe in the patriarchy I. believe that there is like historical. examples. um of the United States being a. patriarchy and I still think that there. are certain ways where it currently. exists. um I think interestingly enough I think. in some ways you guys are actually. pushing against that when you guys are. talking against promiscuadian men. because I think historically it's been. accepted this idea that like oh you know. if a man sleeps around he's just a.

player he's just being the alpha. um and that's a patriarchal notion so I. actually agree with you guys in the. sense that like hey you know what like. sleeping around men or women like that's. not necessarily a good idea. um but yes I do believe that like in the. general patriarchy and that there are. still like examples of it currently. going on okay. do you think we live in the patriarchy. yes I do and I think like building off. of like I think the question that you. asked me was like I don't think more. related to what my definition of. feminism is I gave it to you a bit.

earlier but I also like to explain it to. people is feminism really is just like a. neutral tool and way of under like. analyzing and understanding the world. around us and looking at it through. gender relations or sex relations you. can arrive at conservative conclusions. or like liberal left-leaning conclusions. to it there's many examples of. conservative feminists Rod feminine like. rad fems turfs. um you know third wave feminists like. all of these groups are kind of at odds. with each other yeah they broadly fall. under like we advocate for women's. rights but the way that they decide to.

go about it is completely different so. there's not one coherent definition of. like this feminist ideology guides this. group of women or people because really. anybody can claim to be a feminist or. employ feminism sure and I just feel. like it is a useful tool for anybody to. use because wouldn't you agree that the. lives of men and women are so different. that to analyze them through that. structure is often interest staying and. insightful so you think feminism is a. useful tool yes okay and just really. quick just to bring you two into it I I. don't know if you guys identify as. feminist Destiny consider yourself.

feminist okay. um so. I think it's to be clear that's terms. become so broad that it's kind of like. meaningless right sure like like one way. of fighting for Equity as a feminist. could just be that like uh any kind of. like structural barriers that women face. entering like certain fields of. Education should be removed but other. people might argue that like do those. even exist. um we have a better chance of getting. accepted usually when you're a woman. sure most of the ones that exist now are. probably like cultural in nature and a. lot of those I think have been largely. eroded probably especially over the past. like 10 or 20 years yeah.

um but then there are other feminists. that will push for way way way way more. radical stuff depending on where you. want to go on the political Spectrum so. it just kind of depends on what you're. doing sure and just so I have a just so. we all agree on definitions here what is. the patriarchy. the beach turkey is basically. um this idea that there has been like. this system of Oppression that mostly. benefits men and is in the what is it. detriment of women now the patriarchy. also negatively affects men a lot of.

people have this misconception that's. like oh the patriarchy like only. benefits men like men aren't hurt by it. no there are clear examples of ways that. men are hurt by the patriarchy but this. idea that it basically usually favors. men or puts them on top. um to the detriment of women generally. speaking can you give some examples of. how men have been like boosted ahead and. women have been like detrimentally. damaged due to the patriarchy how men. have been detrimentally damaged no how. your original point was women are. damaged to put men up in the patriarchy.

does some examples. um yes and I think this is kind of a. unique space because every other red. pill space I've been in. um has had this idea that like men. should like continue like sleeping. around and trying to like you know like. deflower women and like not marry them. and just like you know like [ __ ] around. have fun. um and continuously basically like if. women decide to like follow that lead oh. they're stupid [ __ ] they're like dumb. [ __ ] like you know they don't know. what the [ __ ] they're doing like you. know they should just like shut the [ __ ]. up and go away right. um and I feel like that's a very clear.

example of like these men reap the. benefits of sex while simultaneously. looking down on the woman that they're. reaping those benefits from how's that. related to patreon yeah how's that to. her a woman's detriment like guys aren't. going out with guns and putting them to. him and said like you better [ __ ]. have sex with me like they're out here. getting it in on their own well it's. detrimental to women because when it. comes to things like oh like the. workforce or when it comes to being. taken seriously it's like voicing their. opinions their ideas I'm trying to break. into like certain Fields now they're. just instead of actually viewing the.

woman as a whole human being they're. judged only on the basis there's no wait. hold on hold on there's no logical. connection advantage of women largely. though no hold on hold on you're just. you just said that. like woman sleeping around is directly. related to her getting a job that's the. kind of no I mean I just made if I am. trying to and this is like his body. count on like on resumes nowadays it. might miss out on that can I please. finish go ahead okay if I am trying to. apply to a professional job and let's.

say I made the mistake of having only. fans or something in the past. um and somebody sends that to like my. employer or if somebody's like oh you. know like the way that she dresses or. she gives off like [ __ ] Vibes or. whatever people might see that as like. oh like unprofessional. um and she might be even like the smart. let's say she's extremely smart. intelligent. um you know has multiple degree whatever. because of those mistakes in the past. now it's going to be really hard for her. to be taken seriously in a professional. sense sounds like the consequences.

yeah yeah wait wait wait so wait wait. like how would a guy not experience the. exact same degradation if he had and. only fans and they're like all this guy. used to do like feet smelling I don't. know what the [ __ ] they do but you know. and that was sent to an employer how. would that like you know well how that. like unequally affect the man in a. negative way the same way would affect. the woman in a negative way because. using that as an example to prove that. men are using the patriarchy to keep. women down so that example doesn't hold.

up because it turns up to both sides of. the Sexes well generally speaking when a. man sleeps around a lot and we can even. go to fresh and fit we can go to all. these other red pill spaces they are. claimed to be high value men like they. are claimed to be like these men who are. you know like all the men want to be. like them like oh you should continue. sleeping around look at all these. strategies I am very appreciative that. right now that this space doesn't agree. with that but the truth of the matter is. that in all these other spaces promoting. the red pill they say the complete. opposite they say men should sleep. around.

there's no sense so you're trying to say. like a guy could be like hey I want to. be a doctor and let me show you these 30. [ __ ] [ __ ] from Miami I [ __ ] and. that's not gonna benefit I'm like so. charismatic and so influential I can. convince events like 30 women to sleep. are you saying that patriarchy would be. better. just of what she's saying is that there. tends to be greater social repercussions. for women that have engaged in sexuality. if you take an only fans to your job.

application like look I want to be this. [ __ ] well but I also suck like 30. dudes dicks I mean maybe 10 years ago. but we're neglecting that the people who. staff HR departments are overwhelmingly. like these girl bosses this is an. anecdote but I watched a documentary. called life after porn and they analyze. the differences between male porn stars. and talent after they left the industry. and female porn stars after they left. the industry and the women. overwhelmingly in that documentary were. socially ostracized and ended up getting. back into the industry whereas the men. were able to uh.

that was with the documentary okay hold. on hold on so. I mean but if you look at most adult. content oftentimes there's always a. female name but half the time you don't. even see the male you don't know the. male actor so I mean there's differences. on on that level but I would suspect. going back to your point I would suspect. if you know you you take two people a. woman a man they both did adult content.

they're trying to get a job I think it's. gonna kind of reflect poorly on both of. them if if it's like a job that requires. some sort of uh decorum or seriousness I. understand what you're saying and you're. basically saying oh there's a general. stigma against sex work which is true. but but even if we take that's the one. example you go to when I'm asking about. the pages. you ask for one example there's a bad. example can I take a step with us okay I. think when people talk about the Patriot. in the broadest of sense what we're.

really saying is that historically. speaking men have kind of been granted. all of the autonomy in directing society. and women are even though in some ways. they're benefiting from the patriarchy. they're kind of like the subjects of men. so men exist to make decisions. financially they're the leaders of. business they're the leaders of banks. men exist to make decisions about wars. and the state of the country they're the. head of the political systems they're. our presidents they're our congressmen. and men are the ones making decisions. about how women live their lives they're. the head of the household they're the. ones working jobs predominantly so.

they're choosing where people live so. when people criticize the patriarchy in. some ways the patriarchy benefits and. hurts men in some ways the patriarchy. benefits and hurts women but I think. what people are generally looking at is. the autonomous aspect that in patriarchy. even if you are benefited and hurt a bit. as a man ultimately you have a lot of. autonomy you've got a lot of different. ways that you can decide to live your. life some of these come out in good ways. like you can have jobs you can be single. you can do whatever some of these come. out in bad ways you're more likely to. join the military or work really shitty. jobs. um and then same thing with women. um there are ways that it can benefit.

you or hurt you it can benefit you and. that you don't have to work you can stay. home and take care of a kid um it can. hurt you and that you're subjugated to a. pretty narrow role uh narrow set of. roles but the main issue is that. feminists would argue that in a. patriarchal system the man has a much. wider range to express his desires and. how he wants to exist in the world. whereas women are kind of like you have. to do this one thing otherwise you're. going to be heavily socially or. sometimes even legally ostracized. foreign I disagree with you a little bit. there on your last point I think uh. actually if you look at kind of the. options that women have it's I I think.

they have more options than do men for. example in terms of uh partnering up. with a woman I would say men. overwhelmingly you know women have kind. of two choices they can find a man who's. prepared to provide for them they can be. the stay-at-home. not not all women are going to be able. to secure that option but it's there for. some women. or to be clear before you I'm just. saying historically like a society. exists today is larger than it was in. the 1800s right I'm just saying. historically when we talk about patreon. okay because I said exists today a lot. of what is quote-unquote patriarchy is.

really we're talking about very nuanced. social pressures and a little bit of. litigation so maybe around like abortion. but broadly speaking like a lot of the. issues related to women and having. freedom of society have been ameliorated. women should go to school they can have. jobs they can exist on their own like. largely speaking they've got a lot more. freedom now than they did even 50 years. ago well sure sure thanks largely in due. to feminists gotcha and just to bring it. back to you guys I mean my sense of the. patriarchy it's basically queuing on for. feminists but um so it's like a. conspiracy theory but um wait wait we. got to continue to use the number one.

weakness of feminism which is. accountability so you said that men are. being lifted up and women are being put. under men and men are having like these. gigantic Leaps and Bounds in today's. modern society at the detriment of women. leave some balance that's what the. patriarchy is it's just like this big. Phantom Boogeyman that's here to oppress. all women literally so I wanted you to I. just wanted you to clarify on your point. because you didn't give an example. Destiny had to jump in so what's your.

example because you used only fans on a. no I didn't use it job interviews okay. first of all the general point I was. trying to make is that if you find out a. guy has slept with 30 women a lot of. people see that guy as like a player as. charismatic et cetera et cetera if you. find out a woman has slept with 30 men. from the streets. from the objective differences between. male and female sexuality not from a. cultural stigma that has just been. artificially imbued into us there are.

objective differences between the. decisions that women make in the. so-called sexual Marketplace and the. decisions that men make in it because. women are The Gatekeepers of sex okay. can you explain to that or I'm just I'm. genuinely curious I just want to. understand like your logic and your. thought process. um but hold on does that still no. example let me just I just got to. interrupt you really quickly no example. on what I mean I'll give you your hold. on let me just interrupt you really. quick here. um I I feel [ __ ] terrible having the. straw man for a feminist but like you.

keep going back to this body count thing. I'm I'm anti-feminist. but I'm familiar with feminist arguments. like this whole men and women being. judged differently because of on their. sexuality is like such a low priority. for feminists I I'm confused why that's. your first thing that you're going to. because I know it's related to dating. were you saying I mean for one example. you didn't ask for like everybody hold. on hold on were you saying that that was. a benefit for men of the patriarchy that.

men are able to sexually take advantage. of women. um yes but they're also the reason why I. brought that up is because since you. guys kept repeating like this is a. dating podcast like oh you know. relationships that was one of the first. things in my mind went to but I do have. other examples of like patriarchal like. structures before we get to that before. we get to I find this very very. fascinating so are you acknowledging. that men running through him and that's. a bad thing. um yes but.

men running through. running through uh negative aspects of. patriarchy and it's one of the things. that men benefit from when it comes to. patriarchy is that correct would you say. um. society as a whole views that as a. benefit to men. I have my personal opinion that's. disagreeing with that but in general if. we're talking about how Society. generally views a patriarchy how General. Society generally amuse women and men. Society generally will prop up a man if. he engages in that behavior is that. because of patriarchy you're saying.

um I do think that's an extension of. patriarchy this idea that like men are. more capable that men are you know like. stronger and therefore like those. actions are supposed to indicate like. strength I have one one thing one thing. really quickly I've been trying to make. a point what he's trying to make a point. God uh let him make it I've listened on. the table he's leaning forward one thing. I've listened for 20 minutes please just. one thing oh my God is is the patriarchy. stronger now or was it stronger say a. hundred years ago oh it was Stronger 100. years ago I think we've made great.

advancements and so you're blaming but. you're the patriarchy was Stronger say a. hundred years ago but now in today's day. and age when it's ostensibly the weakest. it's ever been. how how can you pin so this is prime. this is kind of he's he's leading to my. point okay you and I both agree that men. running through women is detrimental to. our society. correct yes. the argument that I would make is in. years past when there were stronger.

patriarchal structures over Society. there were decreased rates of men. running through women because we had. greater amounts of tradition in society. this whole sexual Liberation thing that. is intimately tied into feminism I would. say that feminism is largely to blame. for so many women in our society getting. run through because earlier in the. conversation Destiny was making the. point that nowadays we live in a society. where a lot of women both liberal and. conservative alike they want to go and. build their careers and they want to go. and enjoy their lives and a big part of.

that enjoyment of their lives involves. being sexually free in their 20s that. thing that you dislike. that is a fruit of feminism and it's one. of the things historically that. patriarchy protected against because. traditionally speaking it was a father's. job to protect his daughter's virginity. and her Purity and all that kind of. stuff that's like that's a good thing. for society this sexual Liberation stuff. that's burning women is a fruit of. feminism no that's very sorry let me. just respond to that quickly right. that's a very interesting point however. when I look at historically examples of.

like what has happened between men and. women's relationships you still have. structures of the patriarchy that still. incentivize like men to like either. sleep around or not face negative. repercussions necessarily for sleeping. around until the Advent of feminism also. tried to help fight against that so let. me just absolute top of society though. amounts of men it was nowhere near like. it is today okay but the idea that like. oh if a man cheats on you it's the. woman's fault she was not a good enough. wife she was not like good enough. whatever.

um existed for decades right. um this idea that like oh uh sorry I. kind of lost my train of thought Okay. Christian patriarchy infidelity and. marriage was frowned upon for everyone. yes yeah it was frowned more than. everyone but women before the Advent of. feminism weren't able to break away from. those okay from that I just wanted to. say they were stuck better finish your. point please they were stuck in these. Cycles where it was like okay. um my husband cheats on me or my husband.

leaves me he's an alcoholic he's doing. all this well because there's no fault. divorce I'm stuck with him I have to. take this abuse he could be physically. abusive but those were situations with. fault for divorce that was grounds for. divorce abuse alcoholism but even then. you have to seize cheating as grounds. for divorce even then the idea that even. then the idea that you have to go. through this whole court process to. prove that your husband actually did. this stuff to you and that you didn't. deserve it right because those were the. thoughts back in the day that if your.

husband does anything to you well it's. your fault because you weren't a good. enough wife you weren't a good enough. mother or whatever. um did stop women from being able to be. liberated or be able to get the rights. that they deserved kind of like what men. have to go through nowadays with false. rape accusations and all that yep yeah. nowadays the reasons for divorce aren't. the things you've listed it's literally. just great accusations. can I just say I think that you are. actively it's a great perpetuating the. patriarchy that you're cursing and. blaming everything on by endorsing like.

only fans and stuff by saying when did I. ever endorse you well just by like. promoting the stuff like when did I. promote it earlier when did I bring only. fans into things as if like people I. said well I said like yeah women are. judged for having only fans that was the. most Niche example ever women. is a very Niche example I think you're. fair play fair play I mean come on. Destiny come on everybody everybody for. the sake of Brian's Channel if we're.

going to talk about essay let's use the. word grape okay so for essay though. Destiny come on pulling up like oh we. see you may have had to only fans. as an example but what I was trying to. elaborate it's so bad even without only. fans if you find out or a rumor or. whatever that a woman has slept around. with 30 men they're gonna look down on. that woman forget it. to hold women accountable for their. actions and believe that they have full. agency over their sexuality and hold.

them accountable when they've done. things unwise with their sexuality. this option than considering them to be. just tiny like angel babies who oh and. doesn't be defended no matter what they. do and as a feminist I agree but I also. think we should hold men accountable for. these actions as well. let's let Billy let's let Billy like. what sorry can you repeat that you seem. to think that women should not be judged. for choosing to do porn I think it. depends on the circumstance absence.

so many women who get into sex. trafficking Who start only fans because. they get the you know abusive example. that you gave us okay only fans no I was. giving a general example of like oh the. idea of when women are judged more. harshly women but if you want I'm gonna. elaborate now or I'm gonna clarify now. that's just an example right. um there are you you asked oh you think. women should never be judged for only. fans I never said that I do think that. there are certain scenarios. um where they shouldn't be judges.

for the sake of conversation let's let's. we could go around and around and around. with this but you have like kind of like. every single answer you give it's kind. of qualified like in some cases this but. in other cases it's almost like it's a. nuanced discussion that's not going yeah. I mean. you can make every single thing nuanced. is the point but it's not fruitful for. the overall I want to hear it listens. question as feminists who do you think.

is more at a disadvantage or more. discriminated against in today's society. men or women hey enough move your mic. you're going to hate me for responding. this but what metric are you using like. what are you are you saying like no you. guys are acting like I'm crazy. we're not acting you are crazy with. emotions right now wait did you even. answer her question I'm not trying to. disability did she answer the question. crazy it's just whenever you answer a. question it's like every single thing. has a million Shades of Gray and I don't.

look at the world that way and I think. it over complicates literally everything. so you're saying. black and white paradigms you don't ever. try to look at the shades I mean I'm the. kind of person I believe in like. objective truth and like when it comes. to the gender discussion for example I. asked what is a woman and it's like. somebody who's born with an XX or XY. chromosome like to me a lot of things. like that are very black and white and I. know that in some small instances. there's Shades of Gray but it's like. when.

when questions are directed to this side. of the panel with all due respect it. devolves into this like million Shades. of Gray for literally everything in the. conversation I feel like it's not. fruitful for conversation so where. during the job interview process did. they ask you to bring up your only fans. history is like the hiring manager is. the HR the level of discourse that we're. on where where at what point during the. client you know. checks that include your internet. history and if you choose to do only.

fans that's in your internet footprint. forever that is a choice that you made. that's the example that you brought up. and in your belief as a feminist women. have full agency over their sexuality. since they've been liberated. it's only fair then to hold them. accountable for making a decision can I. say yeah only fans aside I personally I. would not advocate for employers to go. looking to see how qualified the. candidates are by the first thing that. they're searching up after they see the.

name on the resume let's see if they. have an only fancy it comes up pretty. quick. it wouldn't just be that as part of. their history any more than I think it's. relevant for an employer to be like. let's look through their Facebook let's. look through their Twitter through those. users. every employer is allowed to freely. associate with who they want but I would. criticize any business person who thinks. that it's prudent to spend their time. scanning through candidates like. Instagram. is.

to care about whether or not one of. their employees has only fans yeah I. think you're that's not prudent wait. wait hold on okay. speaking I don't think it's Putin or. like. specifically to specifically comb. through their prospective like. applicants internet history Okay. Internet history and only fans are two. different things only fans can be part. of your internet so so if I'm the CEO. and I'm hiring somebody let's say I'm.

hiring a salesperson to close High. ticket deals and they're talking with. important people on a daily basis and. I'm sending that sales person to go. speak with these people and if any of. those people that they speak to look up. that person's name and they find. pornography of them all over the. Internet obviously they're going to take. me and my company far less seriously if. I have somebody working like that for me. how can you say that that's not. important like oh well they shouldn't. they shouldn't know. odds with their company's profits then.

don't hire them I would be very suspect. as to whether or not that's actually so. then wait a minute it may very well be. the case that you're describing does. happen and if that's the case then I. wouldn't expect an employer to act any. other way so okay cool great so if this. is not a relevant point then why did she. bring this up as a relevant point I like. how almost every other person in the. panel understood what I was saying and. maybe disagreed with what I was saying. but at least understood it versus you. who keeps saying like oh no you think a.

person like should like hired only fans. when it's like hey no like what I'm. trying to say is that there are. different standards for women and women. when it comes to like sex that's all I. was trying to say and yet you keep. trying to be different standards for. people who are different. so they are held to different standards. because of the objective differences. between male and female sexuality Bingo. yeah we can have this conversation right. now I just want to point out that I. appreciate you guys actually bringing. that to a conversation then trying to.

straw man me over and over again. response be to that would do different. so just women make men are treated. differently because of the objective. differences between men and women. especially in regards to their sexuality. house is patriarchy holding women down. I'm still waiting oh yeah let's come. back to that yeah hold on let me let me. redirect. only fans. hold on hold on hold on hold on I got a. couple questions here let me try to get.

through them and we'll have a little. back and forth Okay so. under the patriarchy are women oppressed. are men the oppressors. um. they're not all. [Music]. owed. to 300 those two feminists are so far. gone life has consequences it's called. reality and you too need a clear dose of. it employers want morally sound employee.

news flash doing of Slash Sexes and. moral also can you two form a valid. argument instead of rambling thank you. bads exe I think. yeah and some of this interesting to me. is that like I think that there is a. valid conversation we had about doing. employment background checks however. um not hiring somebody because they do. only fans You could argue that hey I. think the corporation should take a. stand to say we don't police our. um individual employees backgrounds now. you can say that's unreasonable however. when corporations turn that same lens. and they get very woke about employees.

you conservative people get really upset. about that for instance if 10 years ago. you tweeted [ __ ] about being a Nazi or. whatever or you tweeted edgy jokes you. guys would stand up and go hold on. corporations shouldn't be holding. employees accountable for stuff they. said on their Twitter 10 years ago but. it sounds like if somebody found an only. fancy to 10 years ago you're saying well. it's totally fair game to make it so. that that person can't work it out doing. only fancies. one at a time let's go because. people are getting fired from their jobs. for saying something is gay on Twitter. 10 years ago.

that's a totally different things. it's actually totally not because what. if it is the case that your salesman is. doing business with another company and. let's say that the person that they're. interfacing with is gay they find out. that your salesperson tweeted homophobic. stuff 10 years ago and now you've got. like an a blue chip company that doesn't. want to do business with you because you. hire people that have been homophobic. they could use the exact same argument. that you use about not hiring the only. kind of people now hold on to be clear. I'm not saying that we should fire all. those people I'm just saying that back. in my day okay we didn't [ __ ] peruse.

all the online history of everybody to. decide who gets hired or who's not I. think that if you're not on the clock. then the [ __ ] employer should have. anything to do with your [ __ ] but it is. interesting that we're very selective. about what we want policed in a person's. history this goes back to the original. point that I was making earlier in the. conversation about homosexuality. contributes to the degeneracy of society. I want to live in a society where you. can joke about something being gay. online. come on I'm saying gay but it could be. like a racist joke it could be a bigoted. joke it could be a whatever edgy joke it. could be any type of thing right or. that's POS is it to us what to say that.

homosexuality is that to us I don't know. but your podcast is going we're in. California don't worry just tell us when. the stream goes down and move the rumble. okay. I think we should probably say. corporations we need to stop this. culture of Corporations digging into. employment history just because like. people on Twitter get really mad at like. this guy did this thing five or ten. years ago whether it's like making a. sexist joke or doing only fans okay that. would be my person fair enough we gotta. move away from that I want to bring it. back to you guys okay so.

feminist posit that women are oppressed. you said yes do you think women are. oppressed I do believe I'm not requests. yes here in the U.S yes. definitions of patriarchy because I. would say that patriarchy broadly refers. to the state of the world I'm really not. interested in saying like blaming. specific actors or genders or Sexes and. this is response like no I think that's. completely counterproductive I think you. can analyze the world through a. patriarch like by analyzing the.

patriarchy seeing the detrimental. effects of that and if you see an issue. you can address it okay that's fine. that's fine okay what are the positive. aspects of patriarchy weigh into this. conversation. Monumental please stay here for a moment. didn't men create only fans for these. women. exactly okay. pause Jesus [ __ ] Christ let's. maintain this losing control please I. have just like a little back and forth I. want to have a little back and forth on.

this please allow me to just get through. it okay are men the oppressors men and. women are the oppressors oh great why. are you laughing it's true. are men the oppressors because if women. are the oppressed certainly then men. must be the oppressors is that true no I. don't I think it's too complicated. um but so you both you both agree that. women are oppressed. your women are you oppressed. um.

please yes how are you as a straight. white woman oppressed before you answer. that are you oppressed as a woman yes I. would say belonging to the like. identifying being a woman yes that puts. you at a disadvantage socially because. of the social biases we've been. discussing earlier on the panel however. that's why no one has asked bro hey guys. hey guys everybody Brian's trying to get. something you're interfering with his. flip farming come on okay. how are you oppressed there's been. countless and countless times whether it. be in Academia podcast whatever where I.

say something and people say like she's. a dumb [ __ ] or in Academia it's more. like that's not an example of your. oppression well if people are literally. saying that but then when it comes to a. man saying the exact same thing I said. being like Oh that was actually a very. intelligent Point well then they are. degenerating me or the Nick are you. talking about double standards because. there's plenty of that's a form of. Oppression you don't think double. standards is there's some that benefits. of slavery and genocide and some guy.

calling you a dumb [ __ ] for accurately. have you ever hung out in like a Call of. Duty like Call of Duty. and you participate in conversations. like this and then feminists will. literally think to themselves why is. every major religion in society imposed. like borderline Draconian rules on our. behavior and it's like Maybe This lends. some credibility to that thing women. don't aspire to agency this is the. problem with women are oppressed can. women be oppressed if they're not like.

tied down somewhere you guys don't. aspire to agency the one that meant the. way that men do you are not. fundamentally trying to lead trying to. do things like that you think you are. because you respond to the media into. society putting that idea in your head. but if that were not the case you go. back I think Brian wants you to end your. little soy round. s. everything you have literally said are. the same arguments people have used. against black people in like this.

even yelling this entire time so I. haven't been able to say anything. afterwards you're not gonna sit here and. [ __ ] say that you being a [ __ ] is. anywhere near the oppression that other. groups like black people or whatever. have faced you are a complete the point. no no you're saying they're calling me a.

dumb [ __ ] no no no I'm saying he's safe. don't act like a dumb [ __ ]. no what I'm saying first of all you guys. took my point completely [ __ ] twisted. it yeah I don't think we're doing like. oppression Olympics here oh no no no no. no. what about these black people people. okay the point that I was trying to make. is that people look at my gender and you. know have limited my opportunities when. it comes to like let's say careers look. on your retardation Billy Billy go ahead. no they don't.

you have a great. catering a woman today do you. I think I'm sorry sorry I think um we. should list I think if we asked men and. women at this table to list off how. they're oppressed in today's society the. men could come up with a much bigger. list I guarantee not a single woman has. done any Landscaping in the house.

men men are more oppressed than women. for sure absolutely yeah and in fact and. not not only today but historically in. some way sure like if you want to talk. about like even speak to him. visibility. rates of like suicide I'm gonna be with. you what percentage what percentage of. people that are homeless are men. probably the majority you know three and.

four okay yeah so where does the where. does the matriarchy fit into that. oppression is that like that's a really. simple one how long do you think a. homeless woman would make it. I agree with you but I think a lot of. women will rather go end up on their. back than end up on the streets that. would rather what women up on their back. than end up on the streets sure but I. mean like even even ignoring even even. ignoring that I'm just saying that like. there's a lot of questions that we ask. in terms of like and the oppression. Olympics thing is weird. um to be clear because I'm drawing my.

own so patriarchy arguably oppresses and. raises up both men and women in. different ways right but when we ask. questions like well who's more homeless. men men can survive being homeless. because we have a lot of biological. advantages and because we're not subject. to violence from other men in the same. types of ways that women are right right. when for instance when women talk about. or when men when red pill is say you. need a man to protect you protection. from who from other men right because. that's typically the people that are. abusing or violating other women so ask. that question who's more likely to be. homeless it's probably going to be men. of course like 98 so women are going to. make a homeless fair point but I want to. add on to that because she's saying that. the patriarchy like you know.

disproportionately affects women in a. negative way and it doesn't affect men. in a negative way but then where does. homelessness so the reason why I don't. like to use negative is because so. is like a way that Society is structured. it's enforced by everybody because in. some ways men and women benefit from it. sometimes men and women heard from it um. but there are um the the way that we. suffer under it arguably is is. subjective and whether or not it's good. or bad so for instance like I imagine. this side of the table people would say. that women being relegated to relatively.

narrow roles and how they can. participate in the house and Society. they consider that a good thing um. feminist traditionally would say well. women being relegated to narrow roles in. the house it would be a bad thing right. so it's hard to say that like is. patriarchy good or bad it's just like a. form of organizing Society the same with. a matrix it would be the same way. egalitarian would be there's going to be. pros and cons to every type of. organization right even patriarchy in. some ways is incredibly beneficial to. how Society is arranged it makes like. figuring out gender roles and households. and everything incredibly [ __ ] simple. yeah it gets really clear guidelines for. how men are supposed to act and how. women are supposed to act that's like a.

benefit but in some ways it's a negative. arguing for patriarchy but in some ways. it's a negative because you might have. an incredibly talented pool of women. that could be contributing to society in. really positive ways that are now. basically relegated to being barefoot. and pregnant in their homes all the time. because we don't really want their. contributions right the reason why I. think that our society has succeeded. more in the west than it did in any. other place in the world is to some. extent because we opened the floodgates. to allow any type of person to have a. conversation and that's why podcasts. like this or fresh and fit you're. getting people from [ __ ] that have. traveled to Saudi Arabia and Dubai. coming back and arguing with black women.

and Hispanic women and men of all sorts. of different backgrounds and religions. are all coming together having these. conversations they're not doing that in. [ __ ] Saudi Arabia they're not doing. that in [ __ ] Iran they're not even. doing that in a lot of places in Europe. that's happening in the United States of. America and I think it's largely because. we've tried to break down a lot of those. barriers are you are you contributing. are you contributing the success of the. West to the principle of free speech. um I think largely for freedom of speech. and for unlocking the talent pool that. you have of people by not hardcore. relegating them to certain roles the. reason why I ask is because the West was. successful relative to other.

civilizations long before we had free. speech and equal rights for everybody I. mean the United States was kind of. founded on pretty radical principles of. free speech and democracy yes it was. right the West existed prior to the. United States and I I'm talking about. the real West okay the U.S [ __ ] Europe I. mean if we're talking about it. it's the West Coast even the people who. love to like love and hate like people. like Elon Musk this guy came from like. South Africa right like there's there's. so much cool [ __ ] that happens in the US. that only happens in the US people come. here I know you guys are arguing people. come here for the opportunity and stuff.

we have a really unique environment here. and I think largely it's because we've. tried to push people outside of like the. hardcore relegated roles that we feel. like they need to be in which I think. benefits all of us I do I do have to. interrupt because we do need to get a. couple of these uh donations read so let. me redirect this here we have doc the. nabitaly to chase this point the only. demographic in the west that is kind of. realized well not really is having. births above replacement level is. religious household also even in. polygamous households marriages for the. benefit of children when there is chaos. they'll chill the children end up in.

rehab doc thing for the uh donation they. appreciated man DJ takavar. oh hold on that's another one. Proverbs five. that came in that just came in right now. so Rock You Gave 200 bucks put the. [ __ ] verse next time okay all right. DJ thank you Brian crazy to see. different dynamics of dating today in. the 805 from San Luis Obispo made moved.

to the US for the uh Second Amendment. rights though Chase Mary put them these. Maps up what the [ __ ] libtard clowns in. their place also Madison is so perfect. her farts definitely smell like cinnamon. okay do you guys support Matt uh Madison. no bro where does this come from then. yeah we're not talking because. shut up bro oh my God okay. when he's done you can oh yeah yo Devon. Jackson think for the 100. the. patriarchy is a society built by men for.

women and children it's made it's more. convenient for women to raise children. to the point that they think they don't. need men to do it or opt not to at all. hey Davon Jackson good to see you in the. chat man thank you thank you very much. appreciate the donation we have this one. here from uh L. Chase Proverbs 5 I challenge you to read. it out loud Let It Shine my brother in. Christ Billy you a Proverbs 31 Woman. what's your take on blue haired. embodiment of socialist ideology that's. for Billy go ahead wait wait what's you. take on blue haired embodiments Proverbs.

31 Woman I would encourage everybody in. the audience audience to read proverbs. 31 uh it describes the ideal wife a. woman of noble character and virtue who. takes care of her home takes care of her. husband takes care of her kids make sure. that the family's name is respected. multiplies the family's Investments her. her husband will uh essentially need. nothing because of how much she does for. him and the family her family her value. is worth more than rubies yes she is a. wife it says a wife of noble character. who can find her value is worth far more.

than rubies and it's true Madison any. thoughts on the cinnamon he's saying. that you are worth far more than rubies. a wife of noble character what do you. think about that. I think it's actually very true because. that's exactly what I want to be. okay we have uh nobody here thank you. for the uh donation man appreciate it I. send you an instant message on your. Brian profile Destiny wanted to see here. keep it Center by the way uh for the. destiny wanted to see me do push-ups in. response to my message I expect him to. also do push-ups on live stream 10 drunk.

push-ups with no push Downs I mean no. push Downs I think it's a gay comment. yeah I don't know what it is now you. guys know way more gay lingo than I do. couldn't tell you man oh man and then we. had this the bad zxc that one came. through let me do a couple from YouTube. we're pretty did you read the exe one it. was a uh TTS that I'm pretty sure came. through already it's called reality yeah. that one came through as a TTS. um all right we have uh I want to read. Proverbs five do we just do stiff or. really quick okay what do you ask. everyone to rate their looks on schedule.

one to ten really quick Destiny you. first obviously ten ten of course 10. oh. God I don't answer why not pay trackie. yeah the page hey Jackie please. I don't know I feel like um to me it's. weird when I try to like judge my own. looks I feel like I don't know I feel. like the question are you attend fine. I'm a 10 whatever don't let me put words. in your mouth oh I just I think like. whenever people ask questions like that.

kind of annoys me because I feel like. there's so much more to a person. of course I know I said answer the. questions. I mean personally I think how someone. looks is like the least interesting. thing about them but that's just me you. do this little exercise. the whole point is that everybody gives. themselves. I haven't heard that I haven't gone to. that side of the table Yeah but you guys. usually write yourself as well of course. sometimes they'll say the same number. every time yeah yeah and you don't feel.

like you have a good day or a bad day no. I I incorporate that you get to it so do. you uh I'll say 10 let's continue I'm. gonna stick with my answer it's a 6.7. enough I'm gonna say a six for me as. well. John uh give myself a seven today. because this suit is really good. I say seven. I would say a nine a Ten's not real. that's like an abstraction right like. assuming a normal distribution is Jesus. attention yeah that's us of a radiant. system okay right well you know people I.

think they misunderstand that they tend. to think that like a seven is average. because I think seven to seventy percent. that's like a c assuming a normal. distribution is a very important rating. women rating people in general five. would be like a perfect average and then. you would see like a bell curve sort of. slope from there so if you're talking. about a seven I mean that's already like. what top 15 probably even greater than. that it's very important stuff hey are. you over here we're perfect yeah okay. Chase what about you. thank you so this is not to be weird or. anything too late for that sorry.

you have a boyfriend. by the way uh. virgin yeah she has a boyfriend. okay okay I I give myself six 6.9 on a. good day how about with the wig on. though 10 10. I like the mirror opposite. of Destiny with the wig. of course. um. yeah the 10 thing though I'm sorry I.

kind of fun trying that by answering but. it's all good it's all good um. so you object to the whole ten thing you. said people really shouldn't care about. much about physical appearance um it's. not. and pretend like. experience I just feel like so much of. society focuses on that and it's like. dude. it's extremely important you have to. have attraction to have a relationship. yes just a question about how would you. rate your physical looks that's all it. is it's not like what's your worth as a. human being it's not important obviously.

it's important to some I'm just saying. to me personally I tend to think how. people look is usually the least. interesting thing about them I think. there's a lot more to people than just. theirs something tells me you're lying. based on the fact that you've never been. on a date before probably no no I think. I think you've rejected every dude. that's asked you out because probably. because none of them have been. interesting or good looking enough to go. out with them no no I've rejected. people's literally just been on the. basis that I don't think we're. compatible we can still be we haven't. even gone on a date with them though how. do you know you're not compatible words.

right out of my mouth time on going on a. date with them if I don't feel. that you're like chemistry I think. that's where you're failing you're. you're not going on dates with people. yet you're saying oh I'm judging them on. compatibility but you're not actually. like I mean it's not just like occurring. out of nowhere they asked me if I would. like to go on a date with them if they. just are gonna tell me like come on a. date with me I mean that's different but. like when you ask somebody on a date. you're accepting that they may or may. not know you are everything. hold on hold on I think you are. everything I mean we already established.

that I'm not dating so all right. Billy Ray Billy Ray are you insinuating. that if a guy told you come on a date. with me you'd be like okay. no because she said that you're judging. people on the basis of this and I'm. saying if you ask somebody on a date. you're putting yourself out there and. you are opening yourself up to rejection. would you go on a date with fresh from. the Fresh and fit podcast would I go on. a date with fresh yes he's a good. looking attractive man wouldn't go on a. date with fresh you wouldn't go on a. date with Myron who wouldn't go on a. date with date with higher crew.

you know no I'm just asking you about. fresh is that a yes into the camera. is too fresh yeah that that camera right. there wait are you advocating you're so. [ __ ] difficult I think that's your. problem. I'm sorry that I cut you off but it's. just like I've been holding it in maybe. not because if I'm so like difficult and. disagreeable then it doesn't sound like. fresh and I would get along right so. okay at least here's a clarifying. question when was the last time you met. or discovered or anything maybe you. didn't meet him what was the last time. hold on when was last time you came. across a guy who you were like he's.

attractive I would go out with him if. you ask me can you ever remember an. instance where you found a guy. attractive and would want to go out with. him. um I mean when you say that I guess it. would have to like if you're asking me. like the last time that I could remember. I can't think off the top of my head no. I can't remember the last guy you were. attracted to what no I got a question. it's not because they don't exist. there's questions on guys in high school. or college answer your questions yeah. it's not because attractive men don't. exist attractive men are all around me. but I'm saying that there's more to like. what I'm going to consider when I'm. deciding like who do I want to date more.

than just physical attractiveness. there's a plethora of that's not my. question my question is can you remember. the last guy you were attracted to. um like their face or like in general. energy face everything can you asked to. be a troll dude but I like I don't know. exactly what you mean or like do you. want kids. like do you want kids can you remember. the last wait can you remember the last. time I don't know if I can have kids but. can you remember last time a guy liked. you like engaged in conversation and. like she wanted to go on a date with you. yeah when was that.

today I wanted to go on a date with you. today no like was I asked on a date. today no but I'm in contact and friends. with men who have asked me on dates. before that I didn't go on. okay can I ask a question. is your neck okay huh. oh I guess you have like a cooling pad. or something oh yeah I've got chronic. neck pain issues I've got a neck injury. so damn does this podcast help or heard. that oh it definitely hurts. stress is stress does not help with pain. definitely hurts so I don't know with.

Chase next to you I think that should. also be like helping right. bro you're weird you're [ __ ] goofy. it's [ __ ] chick okay are you a virgin. right I'm just because like you must be. after that conversation I think. civilizes it and says like what is a. virgin though yeah there's no such thing. as virginity and here's why because. some kind of abstraction nothing's black. and white nothing but there is no real.

version because you said you've like. never been on a date so I'm just trying. to figure it out you don't have to ever. worry about like the patriarchy. Boogeyman of like men like kidnapping. you or whatever because they've just. returned you after you talk so much Ryan. are you a virgin. no I was going to say if you've never. been on it but Brian but Brian I'd like. to be the first no no no. okay so he answered how simple that was. yeah huh wait I want to hear about your. first time yeah it's my first time yeah. I really want to imagine it. trauma dump on this one it's actually. I'll tell you after the show because.

it's kind of funny but I don't know wait. I want to hear right now the audience. I'll just say look I was 17 and uh. it was uh that's good it was good it's. nothing too crazy. I'm not I don't want the details of your. first time I'm just simply asking if. you're a virgin or not. you're just simply asking that the. answer is very simple clearly no clearly. simple answer. is it so clear okay if it's so clear why. do you ask it so now some guy listens.

some guy made her like this so like it's. clearly have you had sex. chromosome are you missing here's a. better question who hurt you. sex. laughs. bro this chick's like actually I want to. drop the r word so [ __ ] bad do it I. think this is why you need to judge. people more thoroughly on how they look. because the moment she sat down you. could just tell by her appearance that. this was pretty much more or less how. the conversation was going to go she. sort of has the like like librarian.

physiology but I I don't know librarian. physiology yeah I don't understand your. objection to not wanting to answer the. question because if you have had sex. like I think anyone here who's had sex. it's not like a shameful thing to admit. you've had sex. um and it's also not a shame I can tell. you I can tell you what this is not a. shameful thing if you're a virgin either. so I don't know here's what it is she's. already revealed that she's never been. on a date so if she has in fact had sex. that means that she had sex without.

going on a date and there is an element. of Shame involved with that and if she. did have sex she doesn't want to reveal. it because she takes herself very. seriously because of patriarchy that. would shame her yeah I mean but a lot of. people in today's day and age they're. not like going on dates it's like come. over and that can you know what that. sort of very casual scenario could. actually lead to long-term relationships. I mean. well what's your definition of a date. definition of a date yes. we're actually well intersectionality. says this about dates I think so we.

don't give Ryan actions get that. question just like answer that yo. everybody in the chat everybody in the. chat is saying that you're a plant do. you guys think that she's a plant or do. you guys think that she's just like this. all the time no she's definitely. Destiny's friend is a walk in the park. but it's like it's red yeah I could tell. it's like so weird like you're on a. dating podcast like you're 24. you're. 24. what the [ __ ]. question about something sex related.

like you just would you would also. choose to Omit answering like a sex. related question all right this has been. an impediment I just you know what I. want to know so far [ __ ] answer the. question dude it's not like I don't. cringe just move on yeah. Aaron here's what I want to know why did. you come on tonight it's like bad faith. that's what that's what I'm excited. about it's not your necessarily that I. don't get to know the answer it's just. really bad faith that you're playing. this [ __ ] game when you request it to.

be on the show do you think you're being. a good do you think you're being a good. representative hold on hold on hold on. do you think you're being a good. representative of feminism no do we kick. her off I think are we just perfect. before we do no hold on you can hold on. what was your intention in coming on. tonight. discussion if you find people about. dating talks clearly that's a lie are. you going to continue in bad faith. I don't know am I dude oh my God oh my. God at this point because honestly like.

hey just keep getting kicked in these. Loops here's the difference. audience yeah yeah you have paying. audience members okay we're giving a. show to them we should leave it to them. okay well they're already saying kick. her off at this point would you believe. I mean we've got we've got a bunch of. we've got a bunch of democracy. respecters in here if if you know we. want to respect democracy I say we just. kick her off man at this point whatever. she said because like now I'm thinking.

how do we kick her off and not blame the. patriarchy at the same time I think we. should just own the patriarchy and say. it's based and just I literally have. autism and you're 10 times more [ __ ]. than I am like I literally have. diagnosed [ __ ] autism I was in the. classroom with the speds and [ __ ] going. on the bus and [ __ ] and you're literally. words that are not allowed on YouTube. Here's What It ultimately could have. come down to you could you could have. just said Hey listen I'd rather not. share that publicly I don't want to. answer that but you wanted to make it.

into some game like some semantic game. and I just don't understand like it's. really bad faith if you just said look. hey I don't want to share that fine but. like when you kind of the first time I. asked you're like we'll get into it. later. and then you refuse right I'll tell you. what it is earlier in the conversation. she made a comment about how you enjoy. clip farming. Aaron this is. hold on just listen when you kick her. off hold on which is why everybody. please silence your mouths she doesn't.

like you or your show she came on the. show to obstruct constructive. conversation no you're not having a good. time if you liked the show you would. actually be good faith yeah she came on. the show to throw a wrench in in the in. the gears and to obstruct constructive. conversation and she's acting like she's. not doing it and like we're being crazy. and stuff you just kick her off the show. man. chat they are dude you had a thousand. people say take her off right now you. should kick her off right now for it to. like get me off otherwise we're gonna. continue wasting you sticking around.

this [ __ ] what are you sticking. around he's a professional I drove all. the way to this [ __ ] City so I'm here. okay all right you drove to this city. please I have a question. is there anything Aaron can do. to show good faith right now yeah be. quiet I think you've had the opportunity. you had the opportunity yeah so kindly. I'm asking you to leave yes. you just played the sound effect there's. nothing yeah.

can you leave I don't know if your. friend wants to come with you but I will. leave you guys to ask the very important. questions about Stephen and Molina's. relationship and Diving thank you that's. lovely thank you so much see you next. week. bye-bye we love you. peace out quickly hello. oh you're such a troll I love it.

anyways we like scoot over now because. we hope so because I'm [ __ ] cramped. Brian's capping some content. anyways hi Chase stop the cat stop the. cap. film her Brian now we've got to. establish your alpha male energy. establish it Brian total patriarchy. Victory patriarchy wins once again we're. back that's right. all right. well did you guys know she was gonna be. like that. uh that's kind of how she always. actually it's fun to go back and forth.

do you have like a YouTube channel or. something uh she kind of streams. sometimes but I don't know maybe she'll. get into it I'm not sure okay should. have asked her that. she's kind of redeemed that was pretty. like based and submissive how she just. immediately was like I I would just not. try to rationalize her shitty Behavior. whatsoever yo that's just shitty chat. please let us know are we back or what. if we're back say we're back in all caps. bro I'm thinking we're back dude I think. we're back yeah. where did we go.

was it so over like in previous episodes. or just in this one or what do you mean. has there been like a lull in content. it's been over for about the past 30. minutes but currently we're back right. yeah that was a little crazy I have. [ __ ] AIDS now I'm just like most of. the [ __ ] that go on this show I have. [ __ ] AIDS. like a piece of work paper or something. before you say it. I just if if she didn't want to answer. it look how back we are dude bro if she.

had just admitted that she felt ashamed. or felt uncomfortable or some actual. reason for not giving an answer that. would have been one thing but the. constant like the questioning back and. forth yeah it's like it's not cruel was. responded to with a question it's every. single one it's acting like virginity. isn't real is stupid. he's probably laughing out there like I. can't believe it took them though it's. not edgy it's not cool when you're like. especially like people they're like a 50. chance yeah no exactly you know when. when you have like a whole show of like.

people who are like professional. streamers like obviously Destiny uh. Molina Brian myself you know like when. you're like just being a [ __ ] like. [ __ ] everything up and make bad TV like. it's just like a social faux pas in. streamer land that you should like what. are you doing and like for she has to be. on the show too no exactly and then like. how does that make feminists look for. like the Die Hard feminists at home who. are like throwing their pillow against. the wall right now like oh I'll tell you. what it is she has seen clips from the. show she knows that Brian's pretty good. at roasting feminists or girl like the. hookup movement all that kind of stuff.

and she's like hey I want to come on the. show and throw a wrench in Brian's gears. and now she's gonna go get banged by. fresh pretty bad face. who was which one of you was it that. messaged first was it you or was it her. I don't remember it was like a group. message or something and then you. insisted Destiny also be on the show. yeah I I don't I'm remember what message. first I remember there were back and. forth messages between us here tell you. what throw your friends under the bus. you're friends with her right is she a. virgin or she not a virgin I don't ask.

her essentially you can't be a virgin in. that insufferable I don't like some guy. made her like this some guy traumatized. her and made her join the feminist. movement like that girl is probably. right barely not a virgin you're. probably like virgin women don't have. that [ __ ] level insufferability. calculated insufferability in them at. all if you want to know the conversation. we had before coming on this podcast. let's [ __ ] yeah yeah do you want to. be a [ __ ] yes me too okay when we've. gone on podcasts like this before and.

they were always like oh like what's. your body count what have you done I. didn't ask Bonnie how did you die I. asked a very like basic question yeah. I'm not disagreeing with you I'm just. trying to explain what might have been. going on like behind like the mentality. right. um it's always followed up either by. like you're a liar or you're like a. [ __ ] or like you know good not here not. here like if a girl says I'm this I I. unless it's like it's a safe space I. don't know because when I said I was a. virgin a lot of people did say I was. lying. um.

people in the chat a lot of comments. yeah and the bombardment of haters no. matter I don't care okay I know that. it's true that's the chat yeah we're. here we're here and I very rarely make. it a point to try to call cap on chicks. occasionally I do when I'm like like the. chick who was on who was on drugs like. bro I called them serious in that case. if you. if someone's like I can answer but I. want them to be muted would you do that. what do you mean what would you mean. would you meet this stream so I'll.

answer it but I don't want to stream I. don't want stream to hear it yeah. I'm so dumb to do that though if like. nine people at a table. everybody's gonna know it came on this. show to answer questions like that well. if I I do want I do want to say once in. the show too so it's like I do I do want. to say one thing you three have been. very good faith the whole conversation I. appreciate that she managed to achieve. through her behavior a unique. combination of having like the panel and. the audience dislike her like if she had. just been honest maybe the chat would. have roasted her but we would be like.

fair enough she like managed to do I. would have hit until she opened her. mouth honest to God I'm not gay or. anything she had nice uh zinkies but I. think we should keep talking about Aaron. I really like this topic it's great yeah. she's still here with us like mentality. the spirits are still here yeah I think. you two were in on this no to be clear I. they so they're friends with you no no. we are all friends we all drove here. together you um we were gonna do a show. I think like a month ago.

we had planned we were going to do a. show when I was here doing I did like. five shows. and it didn't end up working out because. I couldn't drive up something happened. or you guys didn't it was last minute. yeah yeah and then they talked about. doing a show and then they messaged me. and then you guys reached out to me and. then you guys reached out to Molina like. independently of anything because I. didn't know until afterwards she's like. oh I'm going on the same show you're on. I'm like oh okay but to be clear just. because I want to be clear I would never. make plans like [ __ ] with a show because. it hurts my reputation I would never do. that right I just want to say DM dating. Super Chat that's my boyfriend yo your.

boyfriend's killing it right now it's a. Super Chat he said she absolutely. embodied what feminism turns women into. every toxically feminine trait. gaslighting projection emotional. manipulation delivered through overtly. combative masculine this is extremely. common what's up can we please have him. on the show oh yeah let's talk we'll. talk after the show yeah DM dating. nailed it bro. yeah I've also I've also experienced. like girls girls will get burned by a. guy in a relationship and then like that. will turn them into like an extremely.

intense rabid feminists notice there. guys get burned by girls and they create. the red pill movement. right yeah 100 yeah there's a lot of. hurt people I think that I think that a. lot of politics is literally defined by. a who hurt you there's a lot of. Communists out there that came from like. traditional religious families and. there's a lot of like super track on. people that came from like parents that. they weren't happy with who were too. Progressive whatever like I think that's. a good point yeah if you look at like. culturally like where we're at today. like you kind of see like this. Resurgence in like religiosity a little. bit a lot of people pushing towards like.

Islam even more traditional than like. Christian stuff and I think a lot of. that has been response to the Past like. 10 or 15 years of like [ __ ] religion. like when I was on the internet how old. are you 28 okay I'm 34. like 10 years. ago 13 years ago on the internet the. really popular thing was being an. atheist and like [ __ ] on religious. people but that was in response to like. the 90s and the 2000s and like people. like having that religious fight versus. like the new coming like metrosexuals. and the rappers and everything so like I. think a lot of like. I think everybody is I tried to keep. that in mind a lot but it's very hard. not to fall captive to that right if.

you're getting attacked by one group of. people today on Twitter tomorrow you. want to make them like the main target. you know so good. did you think she had like a. sort of like a gangbang or something. like a gang bang contention the things. that can make people upset have nothing. to do with sex already okay I've seen. virgins that act like that I've seen. people that have been ran through that. actually men and women that act like. that I've seen there's tons of people no. not not because of that but okay let's I. got a couple let's ask a spicy question. which one we haven't asked one yet no no.

it is producing so Destiny why do you. hate Andrew Tate. why do I hit entertain. um One is because I don't like the. message he sells people too which is. what's the message. um I I wish that we could sell. self-improvement without making. everything so narrow in scope like there. are so many different paths to success. and to be fair I've seen him give kind. of contradictory messages on this I saw. him have a conversation with snico for. instance where he was very open about. like it's not every man's life journey. to become like the CEO of a major. company some people need to be plumbers.

whatever which is good but then in other. videos it always feels like the markers. for Success are the most materialistic. like bankrupt like spiritually bankrupt. things in the world you know right um. and that that bothers me and then two. assuming that he's not lying about. everything he said online he's. undoubtedly a sex trafficker which I. think is kind of shitty so but there is. the chance. accusation that's a huge accusation. that's a huge accusation.

not sure they didn't find any evidence. they found enough evidence to continue. to detain him while they finish their. investigation to be clear or is that. true that is true that's what's going on. in Romania number one yeah number two. plenty of people have done crimes that. get away with it and don't get convicted. which is fine now ordinarily I wouldn't. say back up what was the evidence that. they found that justified continuing no. it's not publicly stated yet don't. believe it's public yet because that's. part of the investigative process right. so they've had to show stuff to a panel. of judges and they have to make the. decision do we think you have enough.

here that there's likely to be charges. coming at the end of it and so far in. Romania the court system has said yes we. do believe that to be the case and I. think they've got three months left to. finally press charges and if they don't. then the charges are dropped or the case. is dropping he's free don't they only. have like one or two they might have one. or two months in December since you want. to so no let me ask can I want to. actually Madison just stay there can I. build on something with that with him so. what what is um what is the overarching. message of Andrew Tate the picture that. you don't support.

I wish that when we talked about. delivering like purpose to young men it. wasn't wrapped up in such a. materialistic package because it feels. like that's what's led to a lot of like. if so I'm a big capitalist I'm a big. liberal but arguably one of the largest. criticisms you can launch at liberalism. and capitalism is this hyper-consumerist. hyper materialist I agree with you you. need to buy the next iPhone you need to. buy the next car I really wish that like. for Andrew Tate if you wanted to sell. this message of becoming like a. fulfilling person like show yourself. working and doing honorable things yeah.

Show Yourself having a virtuous life. right Show Yourself building a real. business not doing like cam girls and. getting rich that way or not doing. casinos Show Yourself having like a. virtuous life not bragging you've got 20. girlfriends show yourself like engaged. in virtuous activities that people can. embody that can be the embodiment of. what young men should pursue rather than. constantly brag about how many cars and. women and all that [ __ ] you have so. that's a that's a great point I totally. agree with that and a follow-up question. I have is like part of Andrew Tate's. appeal is he's speaking authoritatively. about all these different things when it. comes to masculinity the way the world. works so on and so forth and there's a.

lot of people that are doing that online. but Andrew Tate is constantly flashing. his wealth his cars his houses the girls. he's with so on and so forth how can. someone get to that place where they're. influential like he is and Garner that. interest from an audience the way that. he did without flashing all those. materialistic things I think you can do. it but I think a lot of people don't try. the reality is is that Andrew Tate is a. really [ __ ] funny guy he's very. charismatic he's very charming and he. can do a lot of really funny content. he's done a lot of the [ __ ] video.

where his brother is like I'm gonna. break the Red Bull [ __ ] record I. don't know if you guys have seen that. yeah the one where he was saying he was. going to make Meghan Markle make him. some chicken sure yeah there's like I. haven't seen that one. there's so many videos of he's done that. are really funny I think he probably. could have gotten relatively big doing. that but the problem is that. um you're making a deal with the devil. when you say I'm going to sell my soul a. little bit to gain some level of. popularity because what happens is on. your journey to becoming that person. that's getting popular enough to sell.

the message you want to sell the message. is going to get lost right because at. the end of the day when I look at Andrew. Tate and I'm talking to a young man well. how do you want to be successful I want. to be successful like Andrew Tate what. do you have to do you've got to start a. cam business and do gambling and sell. alcohol and drugs and [ __ ] right because. that's essentially like what his whole. business were revolved around was like. Casino stuff working with mob people and. then doing like cam girl stuff and so. what kind of message are you actually. selling right to young boys saying. that's the path to success in his. defense he was doing the hustles. University which was 18 modern wealth. creation methods which was like. copywriting Drop Shipping but that's.

after he made his fortune it was. afternoon so what's the what's the. message so so I agree but that's like. during his upwards like you know I think. it was during uh summer of last year. during his meteoric rise he was. constantly saying like you know join. hustles or university where you can find. these 18 modern wealth creating methods. so I understand that you're saying like. because you have to factor in some. things too like he was saying those. things intentionally knowing that. they're inflammatory in order to go. viral which is part I mean you're. streaming you know this part of the game. right I so this is what you have to be.

really careful about and something I. think about a lot too like I said you're. trading parts of your soul every time. you're trying to achieve a certain level. of Fame and if you've traded away too. many parts there's not enough of you. left to sell the message at the end. there are things that you can do to. achieve a level of Fame to enact a good. message but if you've sold away too many. parts of yourself to get there you kind. of lose the ability to sell the message. at that point right because there's a. Bible verse I agree with you on that. statement too in regards to that but I. don't necessarily think he was saying. like sure one of the modern 18th you. know wealth creation methods was start a.

cam business right manage your girls. only fans he went viral for saying he. had before Hustler's University there. was the PHD in trafficking women. basically well I mean I I mean and then. when him and Tristan are openly bragging. about like oh this is how we get these. men. so that's also a cultural norm in. Romania like that absolutely well I mean. sorry not cultural norm but in the sense. like it's commonly known as the Loverboy. method to like get these groups of women.

from Western Europe and to bring them. over and do shop I want to talk about. that but like. um you know just in general like getting. a girl to like you and then also like. fleecing pathetic men who are coming. through sure you know these chat groups. what's your point the point I'm trying. to make is that he is not necessarily. saying that that was the primary and. only way to become this high-value man. but it was one of the 18. yeah but I. don't think he's ever like the point. usually like if rappers get big I think.

that generally they're not going to say. like I'm really glad I sold drugs to get. here right they're not telling kids like. listen sell enough crack in one day you. can be a rapper right usually like well. we should have been involved in that we. shouldn't have uh you know like been. doing these things as kids like there. were other options that we just did fair. play fair play so um on this subject I'm. kind of hearing from you that it sounds. like you're saying Andrew Tate was. filling a niche imperfectly so because. of all the you know immoral things that. he did to get there he's filling a niche. that a lot of men in the world need in. terms of teaching them how to become.

successful how to like climb you know. the the latter in life so to speak. do you think do you see there being a. void in the world in terms of like. righteous masculine leadership that like. more men need to step up to the plate. and fill is that something you think is. important I think the issue is we've. spent like the past like 20 20 years. especially I say that probably recent. because I'm young but like we've spent a. lot of time building up women and a lot. of really phenomenal ways and women have. made a ton of progress in terms of. Education in terms of earning potential. in terms of like control over their. lives that I think has been really.

phenomenal but again and Andrew Tate is. it does this as well and and feminists. of people on the left do this it feels. like we can never [ __ ] have anything. without demonizing the other side so a. lot of the games that women made not. physically are at the expense of event. but they're very socially throughout the. expense of men men are rapists men are. pigs men are dogs blah blah blah blah. [ __ ] men and what that's created has. made this weird world where now in some. places women are starting to. dramatically outpace men in college it's. getting insane yeah I think that college. education is like more unequal if you're. ever women than it was in favor of men. like 15 years ago and now we can't even.

have the conversation of like what do we. do about men no because in some ways. that patreon everything that we. mentioned earlier there are aspects of. patriarchy that still carry over for. instance a man is expected to provide. for his household well what happened to. the pandemic even more men dropped out. of school to provide for their. households while women continue their. education and at some point that's going. to reverse like women's earning. potential are we ever going to be able. to talk about like hey I think we. actually do need some representation for. men it's not just enough to expect them. to rise up and overcome everything on. their own and we've had a really hard. time doing that so if I may fall sorry I.

could try like three times I just want. to finish up you're good man you're. Gucci I love you follow-up question. um so you're saying you know in the. effort to elevate women throughout. Society men have been largely left. behind in a lot of ways what do you. think is the message that a lot of men. should be hearing in the world what can. we do to support men. um oh man here we go um okay I got my. prescription whenever you're yeah that's. fine okay yeah so this is where I'll. fight against a lot of like the red pill. spaces right so I think that the number. one explainer for women's success is. women historically have been very.

feminine because they're females and. biology and blah blah blah blah one of. the things that women have done over the. past like few decades is they've. Incorporated successfully a lot of. aspects of masculinity into their. character that we previously thought. weren't possible we didn't think that. women would excel at school we didn't. think that women could participate in. certain stem fields we didn't think that. women could start to make all the gains. in a lot of these peripheral industries. that they've started to. um and for a lot of places where they. have right so places like being like. lawyers and stuff not necessarily in. stem although that's starting. um so as that's happened as women have. made those gains of masculinity we're. kind of like looking at men men have.

basically. they've they're kind of still masculine. but we haven't worked on kind of like. rounding out like how men navigate the. world at all which would probably be the. incorporation of some feminine future so. being emotionally intelligent being able. to communicate with people on a better. level having some level of like measure. control of themselves uh probably. decrease the suicide rates among them. potentially yes so we so what we've done. is we've kind of like [ __ ] on men. completely so the left will say like. [ __ ] man figure it out and then the red. pill comes in and it's like you need to. be even more masculine but it's like the. reality is 50 60 70 years ago if you.

wanted a wife all you needed was a. paycheck because she's not going to. school she's not working now that. they're going to school and working. more what's the value proposition for a. woman to get into a relationship it. can't just be that you have a job. anymore yes I just wanted to add yeah. you're absolutely right I do think that. men are like. I don't want to say a press but yeah. pretty much nowadays they are like you. see people saying men ain't [ __ ] men. ain't that and you wonder why the. suicide rates are so high because we. don't give the same amount of support to. men as we do to women there's women. support groups there's women there's. women that but we need to focus on men.

as well that's true but arguably that. one of the impediments to bring up the. patriarchy thing one of the impediments. to that I think is this idea of like. what is an ideal manner what is a man. supposed to be because suicide rates for. men have always been high but solve. things like violent crime rates so. things like homicide rates so things. like incarceration rates and it's not. just because the judges are unfair in. some cases they are because men are the. ones that are out in the streets like. getting work done when [ __ ] is falling. so Andrew Tate is the response too. because I agree 100 he's a thousand. percent like that's why like during. World War II like everybody suddenly. voted someone into power right because.

he was [ __ ] very extreme on the other. side of things so I think he's just. representing a gigantic vacuum that's. needed because I left America in 2012. right I haven't lived here consistently. since like you know I lived here for. like 11 months 2016 and I saw enough. writing on the wall to get the [ __ ] out. of here but when I come back to America. it's just like consistently this like. how can we put more accountability on. men and how can we take more.

accountability away from women and then. like the mainstream media the music the. video games like you're in the gaming. industry too you know like everything is. just like piling on to [ __ ] on men and. like endlessly jerk off women and guys. kind of just like all right like it's. kind of gotten to this point where it's. [ __ ] ridiculous like guys absolutely. have issues too but men are just not. gonna sit around and cry and feel sorry. for themselves but women well nine times. out of ten they will do that you know. what I mean I mean men do that too they. will but I agree with you but there's. not a social stigma around men crying.

about the [ __ ] you know sometimes in. a crime they just kill themselves fair. play compared to women you know what I. mean so that's why I think this Tate. thing is a giant pendulum swing. backwards. Jonathan and Stephen I want to get back. to the original question asking in terms. of your prescription help support men. better in our society so we can restore. happiness I know and I also want to hear. from John on this too we can go Stephen. John and then John. you mentioned you mentioned better. better emotional tools for men. um you also mentioned uh men it needs to.

be clarified what men are bringing to. the table Beyond just a paycheck because. now that we're past the 1950s as you. were saying that's not enough of a value. proposition so that needs to be. clarified what else would you say needs. to be added to the equation to best. support I feel like the spaces that are. designed right now for men are broadly. say like the manosphere are not doing a. good job so the only species if you are. a man and you're looking for support and. then you come to these spaces personally. I feel like they give like some of the. worst advice in terms of like how to. succeed right. um I'm going to be really cringe here.

and I'm going to borrow from uh Ben. Shapiro I think he has like three beta. points not a high value man yeah I think. he has three classic points for have at. least escaping poverty I believe one is. don't have a kid before you're married. fact I think two is graduate high school. um and I think three was get a job. wasn't it is that number three but these. are like really really Common Sense. indicators yeah sure um and I feel like. so for instance when I come to Red Bull. spaces something that's really. um in my opinion you sad is the constant. shunning of like college and higher. education yeah because that is the.

when you look at all of the um. successful people I don't know if I can. say it uh but like in these red pill. spaces there's a lot of like wealthy. controllers of society that people like. oh these guys weren't everything they're. doing everything blah blah blah and then. it's like okay well fine let's say they. do that well what do they do with their. kids their kids are like a guy whose. name is Goldstein he's not training his. kid to be the best drop shipper okay. he's not training his kid to get into. crypto he's sending his kid to the best. [ __ ] universities in the world to get. a high quality education a graduate and. do [ __ ] with his life and it feels like. in these spaces he demonize the [ __ ] out.

of college education now if you want to. say that there are things like. apprenticeships are going into trades. which is good I fully agree with that. 100 but oh my God if there's like one. piece of advice I can impart that you. would care that a blue-haired [ __ ] would. tell you online if you're a man you're. trying to make it in the world you're. way better off becoming an electrician. or a plumber if you don't want to go to. college because [ __ ] school I [ __ ] out. of school okay I understand [ __ ] school. okay why quit school right um if you. want to do that at least pick up a trade. don't try to make it in this [ __ ]. crypto Drop Shipping world because. you're not doing it based recommendation. of the trades give me something I I.

learned a couple years ago that like if. some if a young guy wants to get into. welding for example he can be making. over a hundred twenty thousand dollars a. year two years from from yeah from the. start of his education two years into it. he can be making six figures yeah and. like there's not enough of that being. preached so and you don't see and the. problem too is that when it comes to. crypto you can see all the winners you. don't see all the losers which are huge. like 90 plus and even a lot of the. winners eventually become losers did you. ever see I don't want to call anybody in. particular I'm so sorry do you remember.

um do you remember when boogie 2988 yeah. yeah yeah yeah he made a video about how. happy was it a huge crypto investment. paid off was it two months or was it a. year later or whatever he's like guys. listen up I'm selling the Tesla because. my [ __ ] got [ __ ] yeah yeah I got. rugged yeah I think it doesn't help that. well I love Andrew hold on hold on he's. been waiting to speak I want to go to. John and John yeah so yeah no my thing. is I run something called the masculine. empowerment Network right men and so I. tell guys like it's a good name the. general you know the rule of life that a. man should focus on I call the core four.

which is make money make muscles learn. game and hold frame that's my. prescription I know like you know you. don't like the general red pill. prescription I'm like the red pill has. kind of like adopted me as their one of. their spokespeople but I'm just my own. thing and I will say to the red pill. Community too whichever [ __ ] which. camera is it this one this one I don't. know that one that one right there so I. will say this in in Destiny's defense. guys for you guys that are red pill and. jumping on Destiny's [ __ ] you know. back for [ __ ] he's his own man he's. made his own money and he's decided to.

live his own way of life if that's not. red pill I don't know what the [ __ ] to. say it is because he's not like a slave. to the system you know he has his own. things and that you guys have to learn. to like be okay with encountering people. in life who don't agree with the way you. live and I think like you know it's. pretty obvious like you're clearly you. know if we were to categorize it like a. high value man like objectively speaking. I mean just just yeah no no no no I know. I'm not I can chat I'm talking to the. chat not you you already know this you. know but like multiple women having you.

know autonomy you know having a good. amount of financial income so anyways. we're going back to think my thing is. just simply this I tell guys I tell them. the exact same things I say make money. which is have a career or skill that. will ideally lead you to six figures at. some point down the road within five to. seven years make muscles which is. basically just don't be fat I mean. everybody in America is so [ __ ] fat. blows my mind every time I come back. here don't be fat don't be left are you. telling your mentally no and also. walk 30 minutes a day anything to get.

you out of your house so right which but. but the general message is don't be fat. which is not okay because biologically. speaking that's just terrible for you. right sure learn game is Just. understanding the difference between a. good woman who is like genuinely. interested in you and a woman who has. you know other ulterior motives for you. which and now today but those are very. you know Common and then whole frame. which is basically a guy needs to. understand the concept of boundaries. because I think a lot of what men and. women don't have an idea of the concept.

of boundaries I found out about the. concept of boundaries when I was 35 I'm. 37 now and I wish I could understand. what boundaries were and then more. importantly the enforcement of those. boundaries as well so that's what I tell. guys to focus on the core for make money. make muscles learn game hold frame money. muscles game frame that's my. prescription I don't know if you. disagree with it but that's my solution. that I run for this because I have a lot. of guys too I have people in within the. masculine empowerment Network that teach. these guys how to code teach these guys. how to get jobs in cyber security teach.

them about like you know there are. viable options in the trades like for. example power alignment like within 10. years like America is going to be really. [ __ ] [ __ ] out of luck when it comes. to power alignment now these jobs can. get you up to 200 000 power alignment. power alignment these are the guys who. climb the power linemen power line dudes. taking care of the power lines exactly. you know and these jobs can get you to. 200 000 with under five years you know. what I mean because this whole. influencer [ __ ] like I'm a Creator. I'm this I'm a [ __ ] crypto. millionaire no you're not people will. say [ __ ] like the West is falling and.

like every kid wants to be a YouTuber. and you're like don't be a YouTuber be a. drop shipper exactly so like do you like. from one of the I know it's a very tldr. prescription I gave you but you know. that's my perspective yeah sure I saw. like I would agree with the four but. we're probably going to fight is like. what you mean by three and four like. learn game hold frame are gonna be the. things that we deserve so like for. instance when you talk about the. importance of boundaries. um I would I want to go back over too. much because I know you want to say. something um I I would argue that like a. boundary that I would consider to be. very strange. um is like the the big push in some of. these space for like one-sided open. relationships yeah that seems like. something that it's like I don't think I.

would ever advocate for my audience to. try to pursue but you do realize there. are women that are okay with that. um I mean and there are men that are. okay getting [ __ ] in the ass but we. wouldn't say that like everybody should. be homosexual right but I mean just. using a boundaries a boundary a. boundaries of boundary and I'm just. saying that Amazon if you've had an. animal I don't think those sort of. relationship is going to be successful. in most cases what is that I don't think. those sort of relationships is going to. be successful in those but the really I. mean it's gonna have a higher success. relationship than being in an open. relationship because open relationships. especially when the woman is out there. sleeping around having 92 failure rate. yeah but what is the failure rate for.

one ended over relationships. I don't know yeah probably really I. don't know but but I will say men have. been doing that a lot for since the. beginning beginning. at least what wait what is a one-sided. open relationship maybe it should be. like something considered shameful and. not something that's promoted yeah I I. just yeah that my biggest issue and this. is maybe my feminist coming out is. um I think a big issue today is. asymmetry in relationships. if you're a woman yeah if you're if you.

can't do things like you let's say that. you say I'm not okay with an open. relationship on just just your side and. say okay I'm in that case I'm gonna dump. you and she doesn't have a job she. doesn't have like any stability and she. she just feels like super extreme I. don't think I feel like people are not. going to get in a relationship like and. then kind of disclose that later after. they're married and she's fully. dependent on the guy she's quit her job. well also to bring things around though. that's one of the issues is what Tate. kind of did right is I love you come to. Romania we're going to get married we're. going to be a couple we're going to do.

things and then I know you want to. comment up but I think that was I I. don't I'm not a big fan of telling a. woman to move to another country and. quit her job and be fully dependent on. me in a manipulative standpoint I don't. do that I just wanted to say like I I'm. not trying to be a pick me but I'm just. saying that as a woman I do want to. support a man no matter what like no. matter what he chooses to do whether it. be Drop Shipping is unsuccessful as he. might be I want to be there every step. of the way however I do think that. people should also like women themselves. should try to get jobs to help support. the family help support everyone else.

because you don't want to end up like. you're saying like how Tate is just. bringing women in and then like you just. these men kind of want to have like a. wife at home with kids that's taking. care of the kids like full-time yeah but. at the same time there's like no space. to have a job at the same time taking. care of the kids and taking in the man. does involve trying to find Financial. stuff for yourself trying to fund it. trying to like make you know for it I. think it should be like equal which when. it comes to work and stuff. caught up on the. London John what do we need to do to.

make men great again the path to. Salvation there's uh there's a lot there. I think you know we've spoken a lot this. evening about this idea of progress. particularly with women I think that the. word connotes good but I don't think. it's been good I mean the woman or I. should say maybe the profile of the. person in this country who is supposedly. um she who has benefited the most from. all the Liberation and progress that. women have made would probably be like. you know a single working woman middle. age with no children she's been. liberated from you know the constraints. of biology be that her bearing children. she's been liberated from the.

constraints of a husband having to. provide for her she's a career woman. she's working she doesn't need all that. you know no need for a man or anything. like that but that also happens to be. the profile of the person in this. country who's the most likely to be. taking ssris and I think there's. something to be said about that I also. think that it's easier for women to. adapt to like Steven said more masculine. uh aspects of society because they're. naturally because of biology more. agreeable and more socialized so I think. it's easier to fit them into that. framework I don't think you can do the. same with men if you look at like the. suicide rates with men for example. they're the highest they've ever been.

broadly speaking but we don't enforce. those standards of masculinity like we. would have in the 1950s for example. where probably you had the strictest. enforcement of those ideas of like what. a man should be how he should act things. like that but men weren't killing. themselves at the race that they are now. so I think that and I'm probably I think. the youngest guy here I'm 23. I remember. being in elementary school they started. bringing guidance counselors there was. all this talk about boys needing to. express their feelings more boys need to. do this you see it everywhere throughout. Society but for some reason that doesn't. quite catch on but when someone comes. along like an Andrew Tate who I agree. with pretty much everything you said.

about him or even like a Jordan Peterson. who basically took fatherly advice and. and delivered it through a lens of like. Union psychology it's like this rapid. organic popularity people literally go. to like Jordan Peterson events with like. tears in their eyes thanking this guy. for telling them how to basically like. be a vaguely responsible man so I don't. think the answer is to take men and make. them more androgynous and maybe adapt to. a more androgynous frame of society I. think you need to make men be men again. and resultantly I think women need to be. like women again because I don't think. women are happy I don't think men are. happy and I don't think that they.

experience depression the same way women. tend to experience depression in a much. more environmental sense meaning they. are directly affected by their. environment if they're unhappy I think. that makes them depressed men experience. depression when there's no way out of. that environment I think that we are. perfectly okay with going through. something but if we don't see a way out. because of all the progress that women. have made we've had to tilt the scale so. you guys have a greater advantage in. pretty much every aspect of life and men. just don't see that light at the end of. the tunnel that's why we just kill. ourselves that's why you know the common. thing is like well yeah men are more. likely to kill themselves but women are.

more likely to attempt it okay well why. would that be because women are like I'm. upset and men are just like yeah I'm not. going to get out of this and they like. blow their head off or something and I. think that speaks to the differences in. our like natural predispositions as men. and as women and I think that we need to. acknowledge that for what it is and. restore what would be considered a more. traditional set of gender roles in. society I think so just real quick the. issue that I have with that without even. getting into the pros and cons of. everything is everything you've said. will never come to fruition this is my. biggest issue with you. problem is that you're never getting rid.

of you're never getting rid of birth. control because women don't want to go. back to that and most men probably. wouldn't even accept that and you're. never taking women out of the workforce. and education right for as much as you. talk about like traditional stuff has. only benefited like the miserable. middle-aged woman the woman to your left. that's working on Temple show has. largely benefited from feminism because. women are taken seriously in terms of. political opinions even at Young ages so. I mean like I don't think we're ever. going back to a world where like women. don't have reproductive control and. women aren't allowed to go to school and. under their work I would agree with you. I think if I shared your world view in. that you seem to have a much more. positive or maybe optimistic view of.

like where our country is headed where. I'm sure those of us on this side of the. table think like collapse is imminent so. I think that if and when that happens. which I don't think a collapse would. happen in the way that people like to. fantasize about whether it's like Civil. War and yeah like who would you model. ourselves after like you think's doing. better than us right now I think that. Donald wants to reach a point where. really come on I was just gonna say I. think it'll reach a point where the. cultural entropy will reach a state. where people want to do away with these. ideas like you mentioned for example. things are going like pretty well if our. biggest problem is that like men want. use the women's restroom or vice versa I.

think that things get a lot worse than. that where those problems would be. abandoned and we return to tradition so. to speak but I do think it is a very. real problem because yeah it's one thing. if like a guy wants to use a girl's. bathroom but that is like one facet of. the whole issue which is like we are. redefining you know sex and gender and. maybe Russia is a crappy country but. their descendants are still going to be. Russians and they're still going to have. you know access to normal children. whereas in this country I might not be. you know facing a land War but I don't. know that my children aren't going to be. brainwashed by the popular culture to. mutilating their genitalia I certainly.

don't have my Heritage anymore I. certainly am not able to be proud of my. history so if I don't even have my. future it's like is this really a great. country because I have reasonable access. to like food sex entertainment like no I. mean these answers I think are better I. think this country produces awesome. things like even today I think things. like this podcast are evidence of it. Russia's like Heritage is like Circle. tricking themselves over World War II. where they were the Defenders against. nazisms they weren't even aggressors. against it right America is the country. that ended and the West is largely who. won against World War II against Hitler. the the only reason the Soviets killed. so many people is because the Nazis.

tried to invade their Homeland so I mean. like when you look at like in Russia no. offense to Russia. economically that country is not doing. too well yeah socially that country has. a ton of problems um because the Empire. collapsed well yeah sure the Empire. collapsed and even internally like there. are a ton of issues but like sure like. Putin can come out and give like what. are really like even right-wing American. talking points of like you know the gays. in the west are destroying everything. and you know the jokes in the beginning. of the Ukrainian War were literally like. are your trans soldiers going to be. defeating our proud you know Russian. ethnic persons and now you've got like.

Russian dudes who are like committing. suicides and ditches because now these. trans Russian soldiers are like flying. drones and dropping grenades on them. right and I mean you've got like the. archetypical like trans Ukrainian. dropping [ __ ] grenades on like two. Russians giving each other head in like. a [ __ ] bunker somewhere and it's like. what's actually happening here I don't. disagree that there are problems and. listen okay I'll say it here I'm. welcoming a little bit of a snapback on. Snapchat because there are some things. in this country that are [ __ ] insane. okay yeah a lot of the transitions. talked about really crazy everybody. thinks you decide for the crazy stuff. nobody thinks that because casual Visa.

but I'm literally banned on Twitch. permanently that I stream I love yours I. love it because I was against some of. the trans athlete stuff right and I got. involved in but I'm just saying that. like so I'm not saying that a snapback. is necessarily wrong but like it's it's. it's still moving in a certain direction. women are never ever ever gonna give up. everything they've got nobody wants to. give up that much autonomy you are. presupposing that we would ask them. permission before we would say well okay. so maybe it's something I think women. would literally. and you like cried about it outside of.

buildings when the police like blocked. you off and then you basically went back. to your life surge of like legislation. and women getting like politically. active because yeah it's like. politicized nagging it's like this is. the civil war between men no I don't. absolutely women. would absolutely win because there would. be men that would side with them in a. civil war between men and women are. going to kill all the women you'd have. like all those symptoms. women's suffrage only happened because. there were men that also wanted it right.

like the majority of class like men in. general there's a huge talent pool. there's a really interesting I get a lot. of emails about this so I want to. [ __ ] drones too much when it comes to. like crazy like weird like trans people. and autistic people blah blah blah. there's a lot of talent there that has. migrated a place like San Francisco we. make fun of it for being like the LGBT. capital of the world there's a lot of. programmers and a lot of talent in that. pool though because demographically. they're drawn to those types of jobs. because a lot of times like if you can. code you can code I don't give a [ __ ] if. you have a dick or a vagina or if you. use Caesar pronouns or whatever if you. can do the work you can do the work so I. just the thing that I like about our. Western Society to bring it back is that. like we have problems with how much.

diversity we push I agree but holy [ __ ]. we've been able to siphon so much. [ __ ] Talent out of a lot of that. diversity even Angie Tate himself is to. some extent a product of like a really. globalized world that is connected to so. many different like ethnic and religious. and cultural markets yeah I I definitely. want to hear more from you but I do need. to just keep things moving along here so. okay we have a brock here with the 200. thank you man Chase Proverbs 5 question. mark question mark unfortunately I'm not. able to pull it up but I I have it on my. phone people have spent like six or. seven hundred dollars asking for me to.

read it do you want me to read it what. is it is it it's uh no it's not it is a. a chapter in Proverbs about the uh. adulterous woman it's a warning against. adultery how is it longer. I'll read a couple verses it says my son. pay attention to my wisdom turn your ear. to my words of insight that you may. maintain discretion and your lips May. preserve knowledge for the lips of the. adulterous woman. drip honey and Her speech is smoother. than oil but in the end she is bitter as.

Gaul sharp as a double-edged sword. her feet go down to death her steps lead. straight to the Grave she gives no. thought to the way of life her paths. wander aimlessly but she does not know. it. now there's a there's this is pretty. long bro there's a lot there's a lot. left to it but I'll leave it at that. okay um yo I'll think for the hundred. Destiny and Molina can you please give. Lex Friedman my number. how is such a kind successful guy single. is he lying. um oh that'd be cool and ask him over.

and over again if he's a virgin. because I I've heard him talk a little. bit about dating stuff but anyways um we. have uh Jeff raid maker let me see if I. can pull this one up so it actually pops. up on screen here. oh there's only one of them I'll pull up. one of them and the other one I can't. with respect to the the two feminists. have been difficult to listen to because. they've been vague and pedantic Destiny. you've been razor sharp and cool Chaser. awesome bro above all all y'all loved.

and important no matter what you know. Jeff thank you man appreciate it what. does pedantic mean I will say to pixie's. credit she was much better than her. friend also to my credit I've been doing. this for like 12 years right yeah. pictures do you want to fire back at. them I mean I'm just trying my best here. like that's all I really want to say. like I don't want to make you guys feel. like I'm just like trying to like. disagree to disagree yeah you're fine. okay you can't be insulting people all. right hey I just want to say Brock.

thanks thanks for the Super Chat Brock. and thank you for encouraging some. reading on the word on such a large. platform bro. Jeff here unfortunately I won't be able. to make it pop up but with respect the. feminist tag team wait he sent it twice. oh he pulled a destiny listen to because. you've been big Destiny you are razor. sharp in this convo and I've appreciated. you chase you're awesome and all of you. are loved and important no matter what. oh god oh thank God okay guys everything.

all right now we have a ton of super. chats we got actually it's not too many. uh let's try to get through them and if. they'll have time this phone is [ __ ]. going off right now. did you not hear that. I heard it I don't hear it walking the. wire thank you for the hundred dollars. bro he said good to see Destiny the best. debater on YouTube on the panel also. welcome back Chase thank you walking the. wire thank you walking uh Mike Davis. Destiny Destiny is the type to pull his. pants all the way down at the urinal. Brian you should be ashamed to give this.

beta cuck a platform instead of hoping. podcast hopping is what I'm gonna say. instead of hopping podcast to podcast. have him hop in the ring with me I kick. his ass so bad his quote-unquote girl. will have to identify him by the way. this is Mike Davis yeah that's literally. actually real is this a real looks like. the kind of guy that wouldn't be. interested in Molina because she's about. 14 years too old for him what the [ __ ]. okay that's fired. you can't be reading those comments. because these guys are jerking off at.

saying I like it I like it because I. know we like the sort of humiliation. they're edging themselves that's not. good Mike Davis long-term supporter of. our show why is he such a cheap ass and. he donated to 99.99 instead of the 400. that's a good question maybe if he's uh. it's Android versus iPhone oh isn't it. oh keep hitting super chats yeah if. you're on the Beto Papa hanyan thank you. for the 100 bucks bro he said having. Chase and Mary together and observing. their energy and mindset is like walking. in heaven with Adam and Eve keep it up. also Mary do you have a sister no only.

all right we have uh thank you DJ talk. VAR here thank you man. um Brian been watching for a while and. I'm hooked I used to live in SLO which. is some City I don't know San Luis. Obispo yeah but move to America. for the is SLO not in America where is. that call me fornia it's like an hour. north of here okay I used to live in SLL. moved to America for the 2A rights. hashtag call me for me why did he move. to [ __ ] California for second. amendment rights would love to see these. dating Dynamics nowadays in California. shout out Chase uh MLD Mary put these.

clowns away I don't want to share our. oxygen with them you want to fire back. at that yeah fire back Destiny why is he. living in California because we're. second member rights that's the real. question. good and by the way oh he says he's. saying he used to live in San Luis. Obispo but he moved to real America for. the Second Amendment rights. uh for this this one's for you Destiny. man trying to pinpoint it exactly but. there's something seriously wrong in the. head with his Destiny guy and the beard. beside him and then you have this. wannabe grease ball MLD what does MLB.

mean. oh that's true okay L panel you're a. rose among Thorns bring back the alphas. Waller and Sterling hey thanks Mike. Davis appreciate that man Waller kind of. got dragged a little bit recently a. little bit oh I saw those Twitter Clips. with the lady with but with Leland he. got dragged all over Twitter oh no. Justin Waller is gonna be A-Okay viral. clip or not. it was pretty nice. thank you for the Australian man yo.

Chase from the land down under we. respect you you are the Lord's Warrior. boy thanks mate appreciate it bro. Milky Way Moses thank you for the. hundred man uh JC you want to read this. one yeah he says Destiny and Chase. question you both give great advice. thank you Destiny I enjoy being my good. kind-hearted self during my degenerate. life I got many women but now I'm better. ish and they ignore. uh Chase I'm tempted to go back to. church how do you control sexual. Temptation do you want to address his.

comment first don't control it yeah. that is like alcohol video games. whatever hobby you've partaken there are. healthy ways to indulge in certain. hobbies and there are unhealthy ways to. indulge right if talking to people. hooking up with something you enjoy just. make sure you're safe make sure you're. not like throwing away your life to do. it make sure that you're you know. keeping the rest of your life in order. while you're pursuing those things same. thing I would say with drinking or. gambling or anything else it says. he was also asking me here's what I'll. tell you brother. the reason why I started being absent.

back in 2020 I saw the way that the. world was going it's my opinion that. biblical prophecies are shaping up to be. fulfilled right now and I I made the. decision to be abstinent to stop having. sex with my girlfriend at the time. because I knew it was a sin against my. own body against her body and against. the Lord and I also knew that I wanted. to secure God's favor over my life I. wanted to honor God with my life and I. wanted God to reward me in turn for that. and quite honestly he has man in Spades. so I would I would just encourage you. seek to honor the Lord with your life. pray to him for where it is that you.

want to go in life what it is that you. want Jesus promised us in John chapter. 15 if we pray for something in his name. and it's to the father's Glory he will. give it to us and you see throughout the. Bible there's a precedent when people. seek to honor the Lord with their lives. God is is much more likely to answer. their prayers so that's what I would. tell you Big W for God can I add. something hold on let's let's keep it. moving Mike Davis is a little blank on. fnf talking trash and when they talk. back he threatens them in exposing but. never does that's some whack-ish Mike. Dubai.

I'll fight you in place of Destiny I. will fight you and place a destiny Mike. Davis you gotta fire back at que on the. essay what did you want to add I just. wanted to say like as someone who does. practice abstinence as a virgin I do. agree because it's helped me read a lot. of bad people out because like yes a lot. of people have the wrong intentions when. you first meet them and they immediately. want sex out of you and when you do that. when you hook up with them like the. first few times you you know get with. them it's like. they already see that you're I mean.

there's pros and cons to everything. though right because I I would argue. I'll probably have huge discounts here. but I would argue that like men that are. hunting virgins sometimes they're. looking for people that they can exploit. as well right yeah certainly yeah I. think it's I do think it is good and I. would argue. um to some men's Chagrin I think that if. you're a woman and you're looking for a. serious relationship how you treat sex. has to be done in a very careful way. because you because if you're [ __ ] a. guy in the first date it's really hard. to figure out like who's serious and. who's just like trying to play or. whatever right like I'll hear some guys. say like oh this chick didn't want to. [ __ ] until the fifth or sixth date I'm.

[ __ ] out of there and I was like okay. well you were never in her like dating. pool anyway because that's what she's. looking for so I think that having some. reasonable access to sex is like okay if. you're looking for something more. serious for sure you should probably. build on that too on like how guys. looking for conservative decent women. these women are not gonna give it up on. the first second or third date yeah but. I don't think guys here are ever looking. for conservative women they're looking. for hoes with low body accounts so sick. guys and the red pill nanoster space you. are not here's the thing I'll give you. and I've come from religious communities. and this is true and I don't know who.

will disagree in here some there are. some people that are on massive cope. from like the Tate industry that that. disagree with this if you're a if you. are a concern if you're a guy and you've. ran through 20 30 40 women the types of. conservative women that you talk about. are never going to want to be with you. and I know that we have some disagrams. on do women care about body count blah. blah blah if you're looking for a. conservative one she's not going to be. with a guy that wanted to be a [ __ ] boy. throughout all of his 20s it's not going. to happen but I think it would be so. I'll I'll push back slightly on that and. saying that I think it would be a larger. disqualifier for a man looking at a.

woman who has a large body count then a. woman certainly a man who has a large. body count certainly I don't know I. think Destiny we have your girlfriends. in the chat thank you hold on is she. wearing glasses with no lenses on that's. the most important question right now. I want to add add something on Nev to. what you were saying. if if this is my advice to all. marriage-minded women out there okay to. your point if you're a woman and you. want to get married and you want to find. a guy who wants to marry you who you.

will have a good marriage with one of. the best things that a young woman in. your shoes can do is tell the guy yeah. I'm gonna wait until marriage to have. sex because a guy who's truly interested. in you for who you are and who loves you. as a person and and wants to spend the. rest of their life with you they're. going to be cool with waiting until. marriage to have sex now there's going. to be some guys out there there's going. to be some guys out there that are like. hey I want to test drive the vehicle. before I purchase it right that's a. really negative way to say it. intentionally so yeah I know but like. sex is a really important part of a.

relationship it would [ __ ] suck to. marry somebody and then realize you guys. are totally sick but you can but there's. also there's also ways to go about. having that conversation before actually. getting married yeah. I mean look I'm gonna be honest like. like in in the the stage of my life. where I'm at where I'm looking for a. wife like I can I can hell speaking to a. woman having conversations with her like. there's an energy exchange you. absolutely cannot tell if you're myself. yes I can there's there's a there's an.

energy okay maybe if your standards for. good sex are really low come on no. you've never met a girl oh wait hold on. hold on Destiny yes it comes down to. chemistry honestly it comes down to. chemistry I can I've had girlfriends in. the past where like I I could tell based. on the energy exchange that we were. going to have a good sexual relationship. and I was I was 100 correct when it. happened you never know that I've met. that I've had like really really like. like when we were hanging out like in. public really really strong chemistry. and the sex was horrible the worst I've. ever ever had why should sexual. chemistry Define the entire relationship.

I didn't say it should but there are. things that can be part of there are. things that can be like an unnecessary. part meaning it needs to be there but. it's not sufficient it's not the whole. relationship so there are a lot of. different things so for instance like. good hygiene is not the only thing a. relationship is about but bad hygiene. might be uh and like an end point of a. relationship right yeah which is why I. think you should wait because then you. get to appreciate the qualities in a. person more no I said you can't. appreciate but what I'm saying is that. like there's some level of sexual. experience that you can bring to the. table in a relationship and there's some. level of like sexual enjoyment that. you're not going to know about until. you've already sealed the deal on.

getting married that might be a deal. breaker further on like further. relations but I agree with his point. that he's saying like come on because. you've sometimes you've like felt a girl. like dude this girl and me like we. [ __ ] want each other I've [ __ ]. enough women at this point to know that. I never ever ever assume how good she's. going to be in bed because I've had my. mind blown with how bad some people are. and with how good some people fair play. but you have felt like that kind of. sexual tension like in a positive. not to take away like the Mystique of it. but like sex is a skill that you. practice it's an attitude that you come. in with it and it's a deliberate.

Improvement if you want to get better at. it yeah right so just like having. chemistry I've had like hardcore. chemistry with some people and then I. have some of the most awkward [ __ ]. they're trying to move while you're. trying to [ __ ] their mouth is toothy as. [ __ ] when they're giving head they're. like there's all sorts of like weird. [ __ ] happening um just chemistry alone. you can communicate about that in order. to yeah. the point. what if you get with a girl and then you. get married and then you find out after. she's like I don't believe in oral sex. I don't have that conversation.

you could but you don't know if that's. going to be the case because you might. say like oh yeah that sounds like it'd. be really fun and then she tries it the. first time your honeymoon night and. she's like oh this isn't fun I don't. like this yeah I mean I think I think. with sufficient communication you can. overcome that hurdle and to go back to. what we were saying a second ago look. I've slept with seven women every single. one like I could feel the energy. exchange and I already had an idea of. what it was going to be like to be with. them I was right with every single one. of them so like I think if you look the. autistic people like it's going to be a. little bit more difficult because it's. hard to like read the energy and stuff.

but like with that aside you know if you. can read the person well you do have. super disagree but yeah I think he's. also slept with more women than you have. too he's probably a chill.

with someone that has to be has to be. like you just know it unless you're. autistic but I think there's like a. general positive indicator of him being. right like you can kind of meet yeah. I agree with Destiny saying I agree with. Destiny's saying like a sense. because you brought it up that Stephen. has more experience than he does who do. you think would be better at sex right. now Stephen or chase I have no idea.

if you had chemistry with someone in bed. or a versus like when you before you. slept with them because it is the case. like if you had a lot of experience and. you know that the case could be that you. have a lot of chemistry uh at work but. then in bed it's like super super awful. right I think I think also I will say. too the originals but I will say that. question is really revealing okay the. five best sexual partners that I've had.

in my life were all the people that are. in the long-term relationships with some. of the worst sexual experience I've had. in my life were people that I started. off right my first serious girlfriend in. high school when we started off we were. both [ __ ] virgins okay it was the. most awkward horrible [ __ ] and by the. end even still those rank is like some. of my best sexual experiences but it's. because we got to know each other and. because we managed to have sexual. compatibility we develop after the. relationship like on a one-night stand. like it's hard to know like when I say. something in that fun sexually depending. on what you're looking for unless you're. sexually so what unless you're like.

sexually starved and I'm like. I can agree that the longer you're with. somebody the better sex gets so why is. she not enough. it's kind of like if you've got like a. close friend but then you've got other. friends like well why is that one friend. not enough because in life sometimes. variety is fun sometimes I want to be. with a girl that's Hispanic or Asian. sometimes I want to be with somebody. that is. friendship is a friendship but marriage. to me isn't just about my dick going in. her vagina there's a lot of aspects to. my marriage that I share with my wife. that's really unique to my wife that I.

don't share with other people my dick is. just not one of those things is it going. that's why some people say that. emotional cheating is also a thing in in. marriage sure that's great but I'm just. saying that like they're they're I think. that there are some things is only. appropriate between spouses in your. opinion which is fine. um but there are some things that are. fun to exploit sexual to other people. that not everybody might like there. might be some people that are into. certain things that like I'm not into. that she gets another guy there might be. some girls or anything so they're into. that she's trying to do like so being. able to exploit sex with other people is. a fun thing if you're both okay with it. then yeah okay so this this value of fun.

it's a very interesting one that's been. brought up right it's kind of like a. chief value here in the discussion sure. and the question it begs in my mind is. God forbid this happens will it be fun. if this open relationship ends up. causing things to fall apart down the. line if one of you guys finds yourself. in a uh an entanglement so to speak no. that with yeah with somebody who you. might find a deeper connection with than. the other person like if that causes the. relationship to fall apart that probably. wouldn't be very fun no it would be. horrible and it'd be sad but monogamous.

relations have the same issues right how. many times do you have like a man that. falls in love with a co-worker or a. woman that falls in love with a friend. that she spends too much time with like. monogamous people have to put up a lot. of boundaries in their relationships too. because they worry about the same types. of things you know so I mean this is. part of the reason why like like that is. so I I. I was conceived by a man who had an. extra I would hope so oh extramarital. affair okay he had an extra marital. affair with my mother and he was. extremely in love with her and he felt a. deeper connection from what I understand. with my mother than he did with his wife.

right and this is why like were Trad. Christians preaching the Christian. Gospel and the Christian way of life. because it's like yes people will like. in marriage people will likely find. somebody else at some point in time. during the marriage that they feel a. stronger connection with but through. embodying virtue like you can you can. shut down uh that impulse you can resist. that Temptation and stuff and it's like. I don't know I personally think that. that's a better approach than. entertaining it because what if someday. one of you guys runs into somebody that. you have a better emotional connection. with like what would you do then again I.

understand the question but like. monogamous people have this exact same. problem what you rely on with the. guardian in my opinion is the history. that you've built together right there. is probably the virtue that you choose. to embody if that's how you want to do. it yeah but there's like there's a. problem there's probably some woman out. there that would be like a better match. for me than it was awesome. there's probably some guy out there that. would be a better match for her than me. but we've got like four and a half years. up to now of History built together that. we know and like a lifestyle works. really well much whatever we want the.

same things like yeah so part I think. part of what makes a relationship work. is that relationships require a lot of. deliberate work they don't just happen. and they don't just grow naturally it's. not for a little bit for the beginning. but there require like a lot of. deliberate like we're gonna work on. things we're going to build on things. we're going to have this and that thing. that you build is part of what makes you. romantically attracted to each other not. in the honeymoon way but in like a this. is a relationship that works kind of way. and that thing you can't find with other. people there might be a girl that I meet. and I connect with in a ton of awesome. ways but it's like I don't know but yeah. here's the thing about that I mean you.

make a great point but a lot of people. of course I do a lot a lot of people. build that that that foundation with one. another over years and years but like. one of the things one of the things that. happens with a lot of women you know. women are in many ways dominated by. their emotions right now. we are but like like one of the things. one of the things that you hear very. often happens in marriages is like you. know there will be a bit of tension. maybe the guy gets fired from his job. he's having a tough time finding a new. one he loses some of his confidence you. know she's like kind of got the ick from. her husband for a bit and then like some.

Chad comes into the picture and he's. like hey and he talks to her right and. then boom she cheats happens all the. time no hold on I've heard it a million. times men cheat more than women okay yes. you can apply it to both sexes though so. what I'm talking about you can apply it. to both sexes and at that point in time. your history your foundation doesn't. matter it all goes out the window the. Second That Emotion sure but that would. be the case whether or not we were open. or closed yeah right if I lose all my. confidence and I turn into a [ __ ]. loser I just smoking weed all day and. play League of Legends it's not like I'm.

gonna rely on my monogamy to keep her. crap in the house it kind of helps like. having an open relationship too because. you actually get to like taste the. things that you're interested in that. might not be like a relationship you. know like you would live with them where. you want to have a future with them. right but is that sustainable yeah. don't we have the longest relationship. at this table so far you do you do but. sure but like do you guys have a high. degree of confidence that your marriage. will last for decades I mean I married. her without a prenup so I [ __ ] hope. so. okay or else this motherfucker's gonna. be I'm curious I'm curious with the chat.

things I'm curious what the chat thinks. do you guys have a high degree of. confidence that their marriage will go. the distance let us I mean you shouldn't. have a high degree in confidence that. anybody because even monogamous. marriages have like a 50 [ __ ] fail. rate right yeah but like if if you if. you take you know again to go back to. the Christianity thing if you really. take your vows before god seriously and. you're regularly attending church and. like that's a really important thing to. you you know you look at the data on. that the divorce rates are much lower. than the average I understand what. you're saying and I it's hard to fight. this because like it's hard without. making it it's not gonna attack on your.

relationship okay but you're asking me a. hard question so like this is how I view. it personally okay I want my wife to be. with me not because I'm the only one. she's allowed to [ __ ] and not because he. made a promise in front of a sky fairy a. long time ago that she has to be with me. I wanted to be with me because she loves. me because she respects me because she. thinks I'm the coolest guy for and. because all the things that I'm doing. are things that are inspiring to her in. her life and the way that our. relationship works I know that at every. point we're with each other it's because. we match and exceed those expectations. from each other right she's not with she. will never think that like oh um the. only reason Stephen hasn't like left me. for another woman is because you know he.

could go [ __ ] somebody else over it. because we can we can do that but we're. still with each other at the end of the. day right that's like our marriage. that's how we view our relationship if. for some people vows and everything work. like that's cool but I feel like with. type of Lifestyle I lead with the ways. that I excel in my career she's like. growing in Excel in her career I would. hope that the reasons why we're together. are more than just because of that. transactional things some number of. years ago yeah that's my point of view. and I understand that's not for. everybody and some people do things. differently but then like I also see and. I know personal examples I won't call. them out but um where people have taken. those vows and [ __ ] they are stuck in. some miserable ass [ __ ] relationships.

yeah and they're like well I took this. vow I don't want to [ __ ] do if I'm. Catholic I have to get an annulment uh. it's gonna look bad in front of my whole. family and then you see these really set. people in their 30s okay that are like. the rest of my life is going to be. relegated to this miserable [ __ ]. relationship and I can't get out because. I promise somebody that I wouldn't and. it's like [ __ ] that's so sad you know. that's like so much worse than like. anything else I get really sad whenever. I see that I think the problem there is. that they took the vow in the first. place I think they didn't recognize how. serious it was where you know they. jumped into this room sometimes you. don't know someone until you live with. them for a little bit and then you.

realize that this is not for me but then. they they've like hardcore committed. like I'm I was a virgin before this No. One's Gonna want me again I'm religious. my parents are gonna hate me like and. then they just they're stuck in this. relationship that might be really. abusive I think and then they're having. kids and they don't dare to divorce and. this is where like it's like a hyper. Niche example though that's probably one. of the Norms that's probably one of the. Norms I don't know absolutely any. sources anything to back there look at. that look at the divorce rate it's based. on the fact that like virgins like.

people are not. saving sex for marriage in general these. days like that does not happen a lot. yeah if you look at this if you look at. the statistics hold on hold on if you. I'm sorry this point needs to be made if. you look at the statistics on virgins. who get married they have a less than. two percent divorce rate yes but what if. that's those marriages are abusive. it's just like a hypothetical situation. why they're not divorcing is because of. the pressure that they have from their. families and uh from the that's an. assumption that they come from that's an.

assumption but there's some percentage I. didn't bring it that's like good that. that pressure's on there. if it's abusive. shame is a good thing. has always been considered grounds for. divorce yeah one of the things. one of the things. to like beat their wives asses. like I don't know because the general. thing in America the general thing in. America is like like these feminists. think like gosh like all right listen.

here wife you better [ __ ] make some. great tuna casserole I'm gonna beat your. [ __ ] ass and it's just like does it. works. that's like what abuse looks like. like a straw man stereotype from abuse. okay right you guys know what abuse. looks like yeah okay. we don't have to go as far as abusive. okay that's cool listening to Fresh is. great hey guys guys let's let's get. through the super chats let's try to get. through all of them and then if we want. to continue any conversation let's do. that uh did we do Mike Davis yeah we did.

we read that one uh Nathan John will you. please wish JJ happy Mother's Day this. is his final dying wish John uh JJ. sweetheart the face of the movement. happy Mother's Day big guy we love you. beautiful uh Destiny's this one for you. or who should read this Brian I want to. come down and show you how a real Alpha. deals with an unruly woman never allow a. nobody goof to dilute the quality of the. show plus he's lucky to have a woman as. many she is by his side or you'll be. seen as more eccentric than he already.

is. he seems like the kind of guy that would. call himself an alpha for beating women. too. [Laughter]. 300 into this evening 300 Burgers he. actually yeah by the way I'm still. waiting for my crown please I'm gonna be. going on a flight soon he owns like 300. wait did he slide in your DMs Mike Davis. no I just need the Burger King Crown all. right we have Ryan the eating Warrior. thank you feminism Kryptonite. accountability. how does that even make sense facts I.

feel like women have some of the most. harshest forms of accountability in. society. like with uh being able to get out of. pregnancies with abortion like being. able like being forced to care for a kid. for 18 years after you've had the child. in the deck and just leave I mean dude. nobody's forcing them they chose to have. a kid yeah and so did the guy that left. I know he's got more accountability she. chose that man as her child and then but. the guy has the ability what would you. blame the woman that's why. everyone was like 288 a month I mean. look I don't think I don't think dude. should be able to just leave him sure I. know but I'm just saying like that's an.

example that's a really big. accountability factor that has a lot of. influence over your life and that's. something where women are held. ultimately accountable maybe the lesson. here is that women should be more. selective that can be fine and that can. be the lesson however you say that women. are meant to be better sure you say that. women should be helpful that's what. we've been doing I've been asking the. whole podcast how can we make him end. great again sure you say that's I'm just. saying that that's an example of like if. a mistake is made with a child more. often than not the woman is going to be. held ultimately accountable for it.

feminism is white supremacy for women. they don't they don't they don't stand. up for women of color first wave. feminism is intrinsically linked to. racism because they did not want black. men or women to get the vote when they. got it the feminist is just a stupid AF. girl pretending to be smart so far back. at that Seneca Falls Convention I'm. sorry they feel that way I don't. a person who like tries to dunk on. people I just want to have like actual. conversation I don't know respect okay.

Dr Nautilus thank you thank you for the. uh Super Chat man from the general. discussion it's obvious that the. Destinies are oblivious to healthy. boundaries I.E you mentioned that you. run into toxic people when in reality uh. or I'm sorry when in actuality you. attract them do you really think that. one of you won't become one of these. toxic people who uh I don't know maybe. it might happen we'll see maybe I. haven't already said you know uh Chase. do you want to read this one yes watch. it the ginger Menace says Chase I'm an. RN there's something called Tris trismy. genes that make a mistake and that. person gets three chromosomes instead of.

two you can have Down syndrome on Gene. 21 but it can happen on your sex. chromosome I.E xxy it makes a male more. feministic I.E Gene Lee Curtis shots. fired at Jamie Lee Curtis appreciate. that what how often does that happen. Trisomy is pretty rare I'm pretty sure. yeah like what are we talking like in. general are like one percent of the. population as well or around there I. think if intersexes. things and it very rarely means like. mixed genitalia yeah the problem is. intersex can be like anywhere from like.

0.02 to like two percent depending on. how broad intersection is like a very. like ill-defined thing right okay yeah. okay we have Minnesota Liz here with the. 200 thank you Minnesota. thanks Minnesota Liz Minnesota Liz with. the 100 uh you are giving her what she. wants she isn't answering on purpose. yeah this is. foreignty in men and praise it in women. feminists demonize natural femininity in. women and praise it in men key word.

demon eyes there because a lot of people. don't know that the feminist movement. has origins in occult Satanism and. luciferianism so it is quite demonic. energy confirmative deny Satanist. have you guys thought I've beelz above. worship have you guys thought demonized. men or women today. I think she's making a general statement. about feminism as a whole we have waffle. Sensei here thank you for the uh.

appreciated Destiny you want to read. this one. hi Destiny if Tate is bad for presenting. masculinity as owning cam girl sites is. it bad for women to present femininity. as doing only fans and cam girl content. what do you think I think the issue is I. could be wrong but I don't know if only. fans girls saying that only fans is. destroying the world but the Tate seem. to believe that only fans is destroy the. world that like men simping for women. are so when you engage in that industry. it seems a little hypocritical I'm not. saying that running a cam business is. wrong except when you do my sex. trafficking uh what I'm saying is that.

it's probably wrong to do that and then. to come out later like these are the. worst things happening with society when. you've been like one of the biggest. players contributing to it yeah it's. hypocritical to get back to the question. is it bad for women to present. femininity as doing only fans and cam. girl content to reframe that a bit a lot. of girls that do only fans they talk. about how liberated they are and how. they feel so empowered by it in kind of. like a feminist mindset when we get into. like sex work that's a really. complicated question to borrow the. nuanced answer. um in some ways it can be empowering and. in other ways I think it's kind of scary. to sell that as empowerment in a way. it's almost like asking like should poor.

people be allowed to sell kidneys for a. million dollars because in one way like. it's an Escape from poverty and it's. really empowering and in other ways it's. like is that like the message you want. to send that your path to success is. through selling parts of your body. um there's really good arguments on both. sides of that I would say that like I. think and every woman will agree I'm. sorry that works in the industry only. fans is a huge improvement over what was. before and I will say that the way that. prostitution no men making money off of. it I will say that there's a very. interesting phenomenon that I've. observed that at every stage of a sexual.

transaction as long as the man is in. control of it nobody gives a [ __ ] but as. soon as the woman is in control but. people start to have really huge. problems with it I don't think that's. the issue I totally give you a great. example of this right we can watch. pornographic movies I know on Twitch. there are games that have like porn. scenes in them and when people see this. everything's cool you can play The. Witcher 3 and everybody's like oh yeah. [ __ ] boob scene but if a woman goes. on Twitch and cosplays as one of those. like [ __ ] this booby girl it seems to be. that there's a huge case that when women. are in charge of the paychecks we start. to have a really big problem I see the. point that you're hold on I see the.

point that you're making. my disagreement would be you know the. the issue is that. now that the paychecks have been put in. the hands of the women and and. pornography am I allowed to say that. pornography pornography is has been. decentralized right now it's like it's. been democratized and anybody can get. into it right you're saying before the. paychecks were in the hands of the men. and nobody had a friend no we didn't. really care like where was all the. writings like 10 years ago you know yeah. the problem that I have with it isn't. necessarily that the paychecks are in. the hands of the women it's that when.

the coveted pandemic happened like tons. of women all across the country started. doing only fans because they wanted to. uh provide for themselves and like now. it's like now that the floodgates have. been opened so many women who never. would have been doing porn in the first. place are now doing it because it's easy. and accessible that's the problem I have. I feel like it's not that many dude it's. a ton I'm just I hate to do this. percentage of like Destiny yeah I didn't. know any girls that were into. pornography before the co-pandemic. happened and now I've met like 12. sure. but like what do you think is like the.

percentage of women that do it I get to. guess I don't know do what that do like. only fans two percent very the percent. increase is more interesting I think. very small percentage yeah this is a. very very small minority of people like. I'm sure that Moore got into it for sure. but like more men also pursued like. YouTube channels and pranks and [ __ ]. like that now you can argue I guess you. might think that only fans is worse than. like trying to be a YouTube or whatever. yeah but you know what really sucks is. the fact that people are going into it. before even ever trying to have a career. women are going into it at the age of 18. the moment they turn 18 the moment the. clock strikes 12. they're already on.

that only fan [ __ ] and the fact that. that's such a thing that all these women. all these young women are just selling. themselves short rather than going to. school doing all that resorting to. selling their sexuality is just. disgusting it's terrible I agree 100. with what you're saying but you also. just describe conservative relationships. and when a girl turns 18 her goal is to. sell her sexual virginity to a man and. then forgo all career building in order. to she's not she's not selling anything. that's a little extreme that's like.

everything that she just said applies to. a woman that says. wait wait hold on there's a large. percentage of women that are like yeah I. just don't want to be a hoe and then. like you're comparing them to like a. woman wanting to do only fans which is. like ho Max yeah there's no there's. obviously there's definitely obviously. comparison between a woman who wants to. have a relationship with a man or get. married to him and have kids with him to. a woman that's doing the only fans. totally different things they're.

obviously they're different that's why. it's a comparison I'm not comparing two. of the same things but what I'm saying. is selling themselves for a guy what I'm. saying is that she was saying that it's. sad that women get into only fans. because they don't even try entering the. educational market and then they [ __ ] up. their life how many women that start. dating conservative guys and get. pregnant at 1920 are now in arguably a. worse position okay well people who hold. traditional conservative values would. know that you're not supposed to get. like that's like you're supposed to. marry someone yeah.

I hate this I hate to do this and I'm. not I don't want to be mean to you but. I'm going to pull the H card a little. bit at 18 or 19. you're not even old. enough to have conservative values. because you don't even know that's. that's not true hold on I know a lot of. women that have authentically. conservative values in that 18 to 22. year old range and they have it because. they were raised in families where their. parents and I know a lot of those women. that try those relationships and after. five years they're [ __ ] miserable and. they're like I [ __ ] ruined my life. getting with this conservative that. sucks but it's crazy that's not what I.

saw all of them. what I'm saying is you can't have. conservatives in 1820. what I'm saying. is like conservative values imply some. Outlook of the world and seeing yourself. and how you want situate to be situated. in that world and at 18 or 19 you don't. really know you have no idea you think. they don't really know but a lot of. these women do they don't they don't. really listen but if we were to like you. know weigh it out like one versus. another like a woman you know abiding by. conservative rules conservative values.

getting married having kids like the. negative outcome is completely way. heavier on the girl saying like yeah I'm. 18 I want to post like naked photos of. myself getting [ __ ] by dudes and all. this stuff I don't ask this really. clearly because that's a phenomenal. statement yeah if you're 18 or 9 teen. you think it's a bigger mistake to start. and close an only fans account than to. start a relationship with a guy and have. a kid at 1899 if I were to be if I were. to be a betting man across those two. outcomes yeah I would bet on the girls.

because I understand don't bail them out. let them know that's fine it's fine it's. fine it's the situation you're. presenting because you're saying that. like you know because the greatest. indicator of poverty is unplugged. Primacy and early pregnancy I get that I. get that but I mean just in like a. common sense way like to sit there like. you really have to jump through a bunch. of like Hoops mentally be like okay like. I guess I can rationalize this girl. posting full-blown nudity on her only.

fans for the world to see but like the. majority of human history has like had. women who have been like I'm just gonna. you know abide by these con conservative. values maybe have a kid hey you know. what maybe it [ __ ] up whatever but like. this new phenomenon like yeah let me. just be a [ __ ] on the only fans like to. say that that has less of a like. negative yeah. just just a negative impact in society. in general versus a woman it's like yeah. I just want to be like a decent woman.

and get married and have kids and like. not be a naked [ __ ] online yeah but. you're you're the problem is is that if. you make a mistake by doing only fans. you're only hurting your life if you. make a mistake by having a child early. on now you're ruining your kid's life. and and you're arguing way more damage. you've decided because where do all the. criminals come from what are all the. Brokers what is all our government. doesn't go to only fans girls to single. mother right like you're assuming you're. assuming a divorce happens but I'm. saying if you took every let's like. let's say we could flip a switch in. society and we could either say every.

single single mother in society started. at adopt and only fans or every single. only fans girl tried to shut them and. get pregnant at 8-19 what do you think. would have made for the better Society. the ones shacking up for sure okay. that's fine okay so so hold on let's. let's take a step back once we're like I. want to wait wait hold on just hold on. the the point of like you know I want to. get married and do my best to keep a. family together and abide by Christian. rules and like my fault my my husband is. the provider and I want to be like a. province 31 Woman and I want to do my.

best to like maintain a healthy family. and like you know I mean if you do it. all perfectly it works of course no no. I'm we're not we're not saying. Perfection but I'm saying like you're. really telling me that a woman who's. like yeah you know what I'm gonna take a. risk get married because like that's. been happening across the globe across. cultures. before you make that point yeah give it. to us preach brother you're presenting. thank you thank you you're presenting.

this dichotomy where it's like okay you. can either do only fans or as a 18 19. year old woman you can have kids with. some conservative guy that's going to. take advantage of you and then he's good. hold on. yeah make him pay attention so please. he's taken away he's stealing okay start. over for the tick tock clip go chase is. the alpha I don't care about the tick. tock clip you're you're presenting this. dichotomy where it's like okay chicks. can either do only fans or they can get. pregnant and then then they'll get. dumped and the relationship will fail. the reality is that is going to be a. minority of the population a lot of the.

women that are 18 19 and they want to. have kids and they want to have a family. like they can do so successfully it's. not like it's just going to fail every. time the majority of kids today. they're not going into a divorce for. parents who got like married young like. extremely but you're actually again. virgins virgins who get married together. their rates of divorce are less than two. percent yeah okay so at Young ages I. don't believe it but like also it's. regardless of age you're presenting it. as if it's it's it's a hopeless scenario. for women that want to have kids with a. guy young but it's not the scenario that.

you're describing while it is a problem. you and I agree on the fatherless home. thing it's a huge issue and Society. you've seen the statistics it increases. the likelihood that people are going to. end up addicted to drugs commit suicide. you've been kind of presenting a false. dichotomy where it's like okay. I'm not saying it's the only two I was. just curious yeah well in addition I do. think that you did generalize. conservative women in general and. conservative men okay.

I think it's important too no I wanna I. wanna because I want to hold that I want. to hold that down so you really and this. is not like a gotcha uh Internet movie I. know I'm here to be God I'm here to. dominate you and you destroy your Empire. no no no but honestly speaking you. really in your heart hearts believe like. a woman who's like hey you know what I'm. gonna like apply these conservative. values and give it a good go like learn. to bake you know you know pack my. children's lunch and like do my best you. think a woman who decided to like start.

an only fans is like it's a way better. choice what I'm saying is that with the. way Society is structured right now for. you to decide becoming that you want to. be a full-time stay-at-home mom wife. parent at 18 or 19 is a more radical. decision than trying an only fancy yeah. I just wanted to say like as a. conservative woman I don't believe in. that at all like I'm I'm studying law. I'm. it's all conservative women say oh all. they want to do is get married if I had. a husband yes I would support him every. single week conceivable I would want to.

be there for him I would want to help. him with his career I'd want to make him. happy but at the same time I think. making myself happy would also make him. happy that's good Stephen you described. marriage like traditional marriage of. two young people as or compared it to a. woman selling her sexuality exactly. which is it just shows that you're so. desperate to cast marriage in a negative. light okay traditional marriage. specifically in a negative light by. basically calling it a form of.

prostitution or slavery or subjugation. of women and it's just it's simply not. true okay if you're done with a virtue. signaling so the comparison was well she. said of course you dare talk about. marriage like that what she said was. doing only fans at an early age and. opting for that before even trying to. get educated or work is a sad thing and. I said I would say the exact same thing. for a woman that at 18 or 90 says I'm. just going to find a man to get married. why are you discrediting that those. women have full agency to make a. decision why are you describing that.

women that do only friends at 18 I have. a full agency to do it they absolutely I. have been saying that this whole time. that they should be held fully. accountable for that decision if they. make it yeah but that's we're not. talking about whether or not they should. be held accountable we're talking about. whether it's unacceptable that they have. full agency oh well then we have no. disagreements I don't know why you're so. obsessed with what I'm saying that they. should be held accountable for it sure. okay but I don't know what our. disagreement is then you're comparing. the two as you're you're saying they can. be described as the same thing. is going to last for a very long time. yeah well same with what it is that's.

my whole point people who get married. when they're like 18 and 19 aren't doing. it because they're trapped because. they're like white trash or stupid. yeah that's not the case I think that's. definitely true if you look at like you. know the pool of people who say got. married at age 18 or 19 they're not. doing it but there's also High School. sweethearts to get married early. in order. to make the accuracy in order to make. the accurate comparison I think you. would have to look at you know young. kids who are doing it because they want.

to make that vow and because they're. like trying to be trapped or something. instead of like the whole pool of people. who got married at that age which I'm. sure a lot of them are regarding it. because they're making a mistake but I. think if you have people who are more. biblically minded more traditional it's. going to be more successful on average. than the person who takes the route of. the only fans and I think it's also. important with the value you're. contributing to society maybe you made. the wrong mistake with your spouse but. you still have a family have a child. maybe you're miserable but at least you. do have that thing this is horrible. you're just by prison no not at all. absolutely because when you talk about. what's like miserable in a marriage.

you can't even support yourself. forever it's not forever if you look at. like maybe not couples who have been. like there's people in shitty. relationships. if you have a single mom of course no. one is you like when I haven't read it. you are describing hey guys guys guys. guys guys guys. one one at a time please you're. describing marriage as a death sentence. where it's like oh you're stuck in this.

miserable marriage if you look at like. couples who have been in abusive. scenarios like alcoholism gambling debt. cheating like even abuse in some cases. eighty percent of those couples report. being happier with each other five years. later it's a matter of I think being. able to like stick to it instead of just. immediately being like I'm unfilled the. ones. right so. it's easier to walk away from doing only. fans at 18 or 19 than it is to have an. accidental travel the guy that you end. up not why are you so critical of. conservative Arrangements but the moment.

somebody brings up your Arrangement you. go off on a tangent for about 40 minutes. well I don't recommend migration to. other people no reason hold on wait. number two all I'm saying is it but the. way the world exists today there are. massive benefits conferred upon you with. a college education right we need more. education today to succeed in the world. than we ever have so making huge. life-altering decisions from 15 or 19 is. really scary and to say that like hold. on going to college at 18 or 19 or even. younger sometimes is a huge decision. with permanent consequences because.

you're settling yourself with. potentially hundreds of thousands of. dollars in debt yes but the aggregate is. a one million dollar difference earnings. potential between you and a high school. graduate it's it's one of the very few. paths in society that is like almost. going to be a success now I do agree. that it might not be for everybody in. which case I say going to college is. almost a guarantee of success yes. absolutely what does aggregate mean. aggregate means that if you calculate. all of the earnings of people that. graduate from high school you compare to. all the youngest people that graduate. the four year degree in college the. aggregate earning is a million dollars. over the lifetime even for shitty gender.

studies degrees and your liberal arts. degrees even those people out earn high. school graduates well thank goodness so. can we agreed on the value of going into. yeah I agree but I'm just saying that. like with the as complicated as life is. today we don't like we're not done. learning history at 14 and then running. our father's Pharmacy stuff at 1560 and. having feelings of 18 19. we kind of. need to jump into the world and figure. out like what's going on and to make. decisions about like having families on. all of that generally like 18 or 19. you're probably not going to be here. like in your like early mid-20s I think. you're like more equipped to make can we. all at the table just like unanimously.

agree like probably starting only fans. at 18 to 19 not a good idea can we agree. with as long as we can agree with this. starting a family at 18 19 also a bad. idea that's not true sure sure. but more people wait hold on more people. where that's no longer. needed for young people who want it more. than people women have the opportunity. to pick good relationships and not just. be married off of some guy and have no. chance to work or get educated more. today. more people more people fail at having a.

successful only fans. career than they do at like starting a. family though that might be true that. might be true but the penalty for. failing only fans is maybe if you fail. first of all if you fail only fans. transfer nobody's ever gonna find your. [ __ ] nudes okay because there's a. million girls with only fans that nobody. either number one number one but also. even if they did the penalty for failing. and only fans is a lot less than the. penalty for failing a marriage true but. when you do fail in only fans it's a. gigantic F yeah and when you do fail in.

marriage your kid is [ __ ] Ted Bundy. or something. more [ __ ] Hitler okay someone's. marriage fails they were trying to do. something good and build something in. society that matters if you fail at. doing only fans you fail to doing. something stupid and evil yes you're. trying to build a marriage it's. disgusting if you try to build a. marriage for society you suck at. relationships and you shouldn't even be. trying to have kids because what a. horrible way to contribute children to. the World by saying I'm making a better. world you should do it because you love. the person because you want to have a. child because you have love for that. child disagree here's why oh yeah I.

agree I agree that you should have. children because you love the person and. because you want to bring children into. the world with that person however from. the biblical perspective which I'm not a. religious man yeah I know I know you're. not but the Counterpoint that I want to. make is Psalm chapter 127 verse 4 says. that the children of a man's youth 18 19. 20 21 22 all the way into his 30s the. children of a man's youth are like. arrows in the hands of a warrior okay. from our perspective. progress Psalms chapter 127 verse 4.

from my perspective and I assume theirs. as well we are in a spiritual war and. and it is a war yes correct Jesus is. correct he is the king that leads people. he's the king that leads people to. either way I'm curious if the if there. was like an Islamic person that was. talking to you trying to like convince. you about like Islamic beliefs would you. like be open to that or would you feel. like I have conversations like I have. conversations with Muslims all the time. some of the best people I know are true.

also hold on I'm sorry hold on. hold on to me. hold on Ryan intervene who has the. rights. there is there is a good motivation for. having children in terms of the society. yeah you can send more virtuous and God. I got you you made the joke look who our. enemies are you realize we are. destroying you in every single facet of. the culture war and at world domination. right the conservatives have no place in. media conservatives no place in the art. conservatives no place and most major.

governments around the world America has. the most right value what I was just. talking about you okay that's fine. that's the movement that I represent is. absolutely [ __ ] annihilating your. movement it's not even close which is. why you guys are on podcasts crying. about trans people going into business. that instead of making fun of the blue. hair you should Revere it and respect it. and fear it okay I am the man kicking. you into the well saying this is Sparta. not when I have 10. dropping grenades on Russian soldiers.

okay we're gonna spread our jeans all. over the world okay. did Brian go to get milk and cigarettes. yes.

How We Do It come back come back. we need you. charge. what I would say you guys yeah you look. at the state of the world and you're. like bragging about you guys are leading. guitars but your markers of like the. world is bad is it like 22 yeah. literally yeah.

like talking about like oh it's bad that. there's just people having children Etc. et cetera but like part of me is not. completely bought into that argument. because I'm thinking about how sometimes. it's better to have less children and. develop them more virtuously than have. multiple children or a lot of children. and then you know have them live in. poverty or not be able to develop that. so I don't think yeah and developing it. is true yeah.

One mic at a Time One mic at the time. you're saying the lower birth rate isn't. necessarily bad but but you're. conflating the two it's not necessarily. bad to have less children if it means. that you're going to care for them. better but I would say that it's good if. you can have more children and you can. provide for them and raise them. effectively I would say that that's a. good thing yeah I would not say that. it's it's not a bad thing if you're. below replacement levels I would say. that's a pretty bad thing yeah I think. the reason why I wanted to bring this up. is because it seemed like earlier we. were talking about like developing. nations like they're having like let's.

oh sorry develop the Nations. um so I'm getting distracted. um they're having less children like. that's cultural decline like it doesn't. really seem that's necessarily the case. especially if it's just people focusing. on putting the resources that they now. have more onto those two children yeah. and when I see people like you I agree. the birth rate should be lower but how. could you betray us like this what what. do you mean no I'm saying I'm saying. people. like her should be reproducing less.

yeah. many children and then they won't you. don't deserve the father of the children. yes. we will be the surrogate fathers yes. okay. Jesus Christ thank you Steve um we have. a couple super chats let's get through. the super chats let's get let's get into. these super chats okay uh I've got to. listen to the people allegedly I don't.

know if this is actually sneako if she's. down to see other men tell her heels at. me not sneakers what do you have to say. the sneaker what oh I mean I called him. a cut two weeks ago I still believe that. too full-blown apology now because he's. not a cuck. I think he's listening here a girl with. autism he doesn't [ __ ] have he's not. he's not a [ __ ] I'm actually friends. with him oh he's not a cook at all and. so are you and so are you he's not. actively cooking.

all right everybody Rippy donated a. hundred dollars and he said the idea. that only fans is a step up from before. Destiny is crazy yes there were awful. scenarios in the past with pimps and. stuff but now it's basically to the. point that anyone could do it it's the. Uber of the can you pull that back up. Ryan.

so are you having an extra stream. conversation right now he's she said. it's the Uber of the seg's Work World. just my opinion what do you think about. that if women are gonna do porn I think. it's better that they're in control the. income than not there are women. exist they wouldn't even have the. opportunity to do it tons of [ __ ]. amateur videos and [ __ ] there's a ton of. ways yeah but they're not getting if. they're not getting paid for it and it's. not like it's it's there's no insane. for it like but there's no incentive. that's a good one but like even like 14. 15 years ago there are times we give you. like a thousand dollars if you submit. like an amateur porn video to the sided.

show like but what's the point of. perpetuating Hedonism like what's the. point I love Hedonism I know I'm a. hedonists repentance Jesus Christ say. I'm glad that I don't know if there's a. goblin or not but again you can be smart. all you want about it Brian you want to. keep rolling through these super chats. we should keep the show going yeah right. now okay are you good. this unpure conversation is flustering. him jeremore said what a scam spent a. hundred we should pull up Chase could. probably Scrolls I got it I got it um we.

did rippies right. uh Brock said her mouth is smoother than. oil her end is bitter as wormwood and. sharper than a two-edged sword remove. thy way from her Destiny blue hairs girl. is the embodiment be strong my brother. do not let her lead you into death okay. wait me yeah. yeah I said for 100 bucks thank you.

farha Chase the nuclear family was. basically an anomaly in American history. what a [ __ ] totally false and worked. briefly it's worked for a long time. thousands of years although people can. make the distinction that it's more the. traditional family as opposed to the. nuclear family like people living in. their little house in the suburbs it's a. good point there but anyways worked. briefly because of a totally different. economic and cultural landscape besides. feminism and lgbtq what other factors do. you think are destroying the nuclear. family in the west hoes like you I would. also I would add.

yeah yeah. medication be a better man better man. I am not an MLD please I am me please to. continue I want to continue getting MLD. please. an important point to make what other. factors do you think are destroying the. nuclear family in the west something I.

would add to that is the destruction of. our money supply that began in 1971. if. you look at the statistics from 1971. until now Brett yes that as well all. metrics of the health of society have. gone down since we began destroying our. money in an inflationary money printing. that's a big part of it people have to. work harder in order to provide for. their families you have to have dual. parent incomes whereas before in like. the 1950s and 60s you could afford to. just like get a blue collar I don't know. about that for your family it's true my. brother has been broke for the majority.

of his life he just started making money. and he was raising three kids damn with. a single household earning making forty. thousand dollars. Mike Davis here no that wasn't a. destroyer. Mike Davis says MLD you could bark all. you want but you. you know you don't want this smoke what. the smoke from the [ __ ] Fry Basket at. Burger King. I'm a whole different animal I knock out.

every veneer I knock out every veneer. tooth by tooth you got so much grease. you won't need Vaseline I'll take you in. Destiny together and whoop y'all like. your mom's should have whoa listen you. know what my response to that is roast. I'd like a uh junior Whopper with cheese. and bacon and an orange soda make sure. you bring that up here to the whatever. podcast. is that everything German said he spent.

a hundred bucks draw more did you get. your uh. just send more money because just send. more money Brian loves money. what are we getting [ __ ] Mike Davis. on this podcast that's a good question. I've been trying I do want to know. Destiny what is your body count 200 plus. I'm not gonna why I don't know it's an. interesting question yeah I don't think. I want to share yeah. come on as far as the guys Destiny and.

show the red pill guys what's up Flex I. promise that like if I say a number. that's too low I get judged by Sandra. there's too high people won't even. believe me so I don't even know what the. point is just go with them but you know. over complicating the questions. approximately well I'm not reading it if. you're it's how long sexual but like. Chase Matthew 18 6. we're not reading. these we're not reading these just Eric. shows. based Bible scripture right there. thank you Sierra Stanton I appreciate. that uh as far as as far as the guy. who's claims we didn't read the hundred.

dollar Super Chat uh we have Auto Super. Chat functions set on so we have not. seen your uh. one that's an interesting he says jdoc. says greed is the source of all problems. not poverty the framing that being a. poor is the problem is asinine it is an. elitist argument I just like Turned TTS. on to 50 for the end of the stream nah. [ __ ] these people so I've got so many. people talking here already. I saw a donation that was a hundred. dollars a hundred Canadian dollars on.

that but it was purple so then it's not. you think because the exchange rate it. would have been like 80 bucks The. Exchange yeah pull it up Canadian money. is not real. Canada we're gonna say inflated American. money as a row we can't accept CID here. yeah what we should find that's usually. the only the case for a stream yard. though it won't trigger on stream yard. if it's below like the conversion or. whatever but on super chats I'm pretty. sure if it's red it. well because of the exchanger I think a. hundred bucks Canadian is like 70 or 80.

or something American. yeah yeah you want to pull it up anyways. I'm curious what he had to say [ __ ] the. camera. sorry oh it's so over I can see if I can. like find not we're not back for jamor. oh no it is over I can look but I don't. know if I'm gonna you gotta do Stephen. Moore said in all caps sucks to be. Canadian MLD I told you that when I. called in. pull that one up from uh Dave on please.

you're more my heart goes out to you. Canadians. a big thing Jackson with a hundred bucks. says what is the purpose of sexual. experiences. what happens when I don't know. downstairs neighbor's gonna have a. [ __ ] aneurysm all right go ahead. he says what is the purpose of sexual. experiences with people you can't even. remember sometimes you have a really. good sexual experience I do remember. there's a lot of like really great meals. I mean I don't remember every single. great meal I've had though some have. been really good that I do remember. though but what does that do to your.

conscience what does that do to you it. makes you feel really good okay good. memories as well you can think back on. them feels great sometimes in those. really dark times when the internet's. not need to masturbate I can revisit my. memories instead of having you're both. so like dead in the eyes you are the. most deadly-eyed person I've ever seen. you literally look like that girl from. The Ring okay what are you talking about. okay thank you for smiling and your wife. looks like female Jared Leto.

hell yes thank you where are we at sorry. any more dinos want to make fun of me or. anything oh is this thing hold up can we. hide that there hide that or you can go. just start showing those I had a. question for you so you said MLD can we. make a little bit more space for Mary so. she can sit more at the table I feel. like we lost the verse from the podcast. but Mary has like yeah.

and then that mic if we can put it on. the ground or something you got to throw. an aggressor Justin Waller MLD I. actually have a question for you later. what's up um later yeah because you want. to see something he won't do a threesome. with you guys I'm actually curious. I know that though watch it. actual question though actually wait we. just like entered like two questions. hold on hold on if. if Chase was actually down would you.

guys. answer explicit sexual questions here. look at her remember we couldn't say it. right yeah because what if it's not what. if it's yes we don't want to say. anything John did you have something or. who was it I have a question I have a. question okay go ahead I'm actually not. to like debater I'm actually really. curious what is it like to like go from. having sex with people and then stopping. and like like disciplining yourself into. not keep doing it like what does the. days look like like after that like when. you mix it.

what is your mental experience that you. were in a relationship how did it affect. your relationship I mean I. I'll go there. I realized like halfway through the. relationship I knew for a fact that I. wasn't going to marry this girl and by. continuing to have sex with her I knew. that I was like damaging her long term. and I knew that in all likelihood we. would leave the relationship and she. probably would remember me for the rest. of her life and that might come up for. her mentally and emotionally in her.

marriage right and like I know that for. myself the last thing I would want in. marriage is if like I married a girl but. some guy that she had had sex with she. was still hung up on him like. emotionally and mentally that would that. would tear me up inside. and I knew that there was a possibility. that that might happen so I decided to. stop having sex with her and. this was in 2019 in 2020 I realized the. way that the world was going I want I. really wanted God's favor over my life. and for me honestly like having the. confidence that God has my back is worth.

it so much more to me than like. fornicating with women that I'm not. going to marry like I I really really. want an exceptional wife and I want. God's blessing in that way so it's like. okay like temporary sex with a girl I'm. not going to marry God's favor in my. life obviously I want God's favor in my. life more so you would have sex if like. if you marry someone you're gonna have. sex with them I'm assuming we're just. gonna help you. what kind of questions. you think he's gonna get married and not. have sex yeah I wasn't really sure wait.

wait wait you know we're not no we're. not this is like hardcore into something. here no no no no we're not we're not. We're not gonna have free marital sense. but but I get to marry someone and not. have sex with them yeah I don't know. some people do that depending on what. your what your ass is talking about as. straight as like they plan on doing to. be honest I wasn't sure but as straight. as that is that's pretty gay yeah yeah. it is pretty good to be honest I'm. actually like I I'm I'm really excited. at the idea of not having premarital sex. because.

it's such an excellent filter for. whether or not you're right for somebody. like the way I look at it if I if a girl. and I you know were dating or I caught. her or whatever and we're not having sex. with each other and after a year or two. years or whatever it is I still want to. get married to her it's like you know. like that's that's the one for you you. know what I mean and that's like the. best filtering mechanism possible for. finding a good spouse I don't want to. argue against you but like I feel like I. could flip that exactly in 180. if there's a girl you've been dating for. two years and you haven't [ __ ] her yet.

and what if there's like the risk the. only reason you want to get married so. you can finally explore that and then. after you do you're like oh [ __ ] whereas. if you've been [ __ ] a girl but you're. still a really lover after two years. may I address what he said first go. ahead thank you you may. um. yeah I mean like I I just I know how to. read women really well and like I I. cannot imagine a scenario where like I'm. dating a girl for two years and we get. married and start having sex and then it. just goes to [ __ ] in the bedroom I.

cannot imagine that happening and I have. a hundred percent certainty that it. would not happen yeah I want to add on. to that so and this is anecdotal. evidence for sure but the most. successful relationship I ever had was. when I was like. you're going to hell the most the most. successful relationship I've ever had. was like when me and the girl we were. like legitimately it was March 2016. until December yeah so like nine months. we were just texting back and forth and. like no nothing sexual just getting to.

know each other and then when we did. finally have sex you know it was great. whatever but that actually turned out to. be my longest most healthy relationship. and I would go ahead and add on to that. thinking that like I got to know her for. who she was over text and I got to like. like her and know her as an Visual and. then from there the sex was kind of like. icing on the cake which I understand in. your world like and me too like you know. your [ __ ] girl first date second date. third date it is what it is but I think. like when you kind of jump over the.

initial courtship to straight sex like. you can get blinded with dopamine and. serotonin and you're like oh the sex is. so great even though she's like a lying. [ __ ] treacherous [ __ ] like the sex. the sex you know because you know. evolutionary speaking is men like if. we're having sex our brain's like you're. winning you're winning you're winning. like keep going keep going keep going. yeah I want to make it go ahead I want. to make a constructive point. to the overarching conversation you guys. have expressed a lot of concern for like. the fatherless homes out there and uh.

the breakdown of marriages and people. you know people's marriages falling. apart to what MLD was just saying like. I've spoken with a lot of older dudes. asking them why they got divorced and. like you know I tell this on previous. episodes of the podcast at my local gym. there's like six older guys that are all. divorced and when asking them questions. like hey how did it get to this point. five out of the six of them all said. yeah we got into our 40s and you know. that that initial that kind of like. physical attraction it kind of wore off. and we realized beyond the sex there. wasn't much there in the relationship.

and it's so easy to fall in love with. somebody when you're having sex with. them and you have that oxytocin Rush all. the dopamine serotonin it's so easy to. fall in love with somebody and I think. nowadays A lot of people get into. marriages because they're having sex. with the person and they don't realize. that that is at the foundation of their. relationship and later on down the line. once that physical attraction has worn. off they realize that there's not a lot. there beyond the initial physical. attraction I think that destroys a lot. of marriages and families and what I've. been describing waiting you know to not.

having premarital sex I think that's an. amazing guard against that and I would. say that there's probably far more. successful marriages than failed. marriages because people waited to have. sex I understand what you're saying I. don't want to get into a huge right now. but I feel like for the response God. damn it this is YouTube get into that. argument for the audience. I I feel like overwhelmingly I could be. wrong I don't know just like Dennis I. feel like overwhelmingly sex in a. relationship whether you're having it or. not almost has nothing to do with the. actual sex of self that when sex starts.

to disappear from relationships it's. because there's other problems that are. usually happening and like a really good. indicator if a relationship is working. is that they're [ __ ] but it's not. because they're [ __ ] they're [ __ ]. because the relationship is working yeah. but like something could happen where. I'll use quantity examples that'll. trigger uh Pearl if she's listening. right but like let's say like guy's not. cleaning up after himself doesn't do any. chores doesn't take care of the art dumb. [ __ ] like that can start to happen and. then you kind of like stop [ __ ]. because the wife is like [ __ ] this man. child I don't know blah blah blah that. eventually that might uh like uh. snowball into them getting divorced and.

the husband might think back and he goes. you know what as soon as we stop [ __ ]. stuff started going downhill really. hardcore right and in his mind he's. thinking that's what happened but in. reality the sex stop because other stuff. working and that's that's a fair point. and and again that's there's probably a. lot of relationships like that where. dudes you know they just stop being on. top of their [ __ ] it and then their wife. lost respect for them and she didn't. want to have sex with him anymore and he. might look at it and be like well we. stopped having sex that's what made the. marriage Fall Apart. again I guess my rebuttal to that would. be like if two people date or court or.

whatever for a sufficient amount of time. and they build the relationship off of. that interpersonal connection divorced. from sex like you're gonna have a really. solid idea of who that person is without. your mind clouded by the sexual. relationship at all I just you present. sex as such a weird like tangential. thing I think that could be part of how. you build that relationship it can but a. lot of people get into marriages that. they shouldn't get into because they're. overlooking red flags and other things. yeah but that's also because of their. sexual relations that didn't even get to.

look for red flags. let's just add on to one point though. that the reality is like as men. especially as men sex clouds are. judgment yeah I mean I've stayed with a. girl that I was like this [ __ ] is. terrible for me but sex is so [ __ ]. fire I'm just gonna stay with you I my. guess is going to be that's actually the. minority of men no way. you think way too highly of men no no no. hold on and okay I'm a I have okay wait. Destiny Destiny read this good. Brian's long lost.

a little bit I should get the red wig. back right looking at the two of you on. the screen it's so real bro you know. what it's so real. maybe. yeah similar skin the genius. what's that you need to put on the wings. maybe maybe maybe someone. um I want to thank bye Felicia. oh what the [ __ ] uh is the audio muted. there hello.

we gifted 20 memberships thank you and. then we have Brock here let me pull that. one up you can hide that for a sec uh we. have a man he's as Brock guy Institute. is uh wait Brock said the guy in the. suit is his comments about Mike serving. him a Burger King order is as ignorant. as he is Mike owns multiple franchises. he is death not for even a fool when he. holds his piece is counted wise based a. fool opens his mouth and removes what. was that last word oh no uh removes all.

doubts uh Brock thank you for that Emil. did you have a response to that I guess. I'm gonna have to go home and cry in my. trailer all right we have Davon Jackson. you understand that means you equate sex. with food on value to your survival. which says a lot why do people have this. issue or when you draw a comparison. between two things you're saying the. things are the same right like I enjoy. video games you did that I enjoy it no. no I'm not saying they're the same. though obviously I'm comparing two. different things to draw a parallel I'm. not saying the same thing I like food. and I like playing video games I don't.

eat video games and I don't play with my. food they're two different things but I. can compare my German weighted women. selling their bodies on only fans to. women selling their bodies to a husband. no no I use her line of reasoning of. it's sad when a woman does only fans. because she forgoes exploring a career. saying that it's also true that it's sad. that a woman builds a family at the age. of 18 while also foregoing a quick that. was the comparison I'm not saying. they're the same thing I'm just saying. that was the comparison that if her. criteria for why it was sad was these. criteria then that criteria would also. match other things as well that was the. point all right we have uh thank you for. clarifying we have asthma Ron says Chase.

I disagree marriages fail all the time. for me personally I'm swearing off all. relationships I seem to function much. better independently now that's a real. soldier of God Jesus didn't have a wife. uh he didn't but Paul also wrote that if. a man burns with lust it would be better. for him to get it yeah on that topic I. was just gonna say there's a reason why. lust is one of the seven deadly sins. there's a reason why there's each. individual sin when when a relationship. operates and is founded on lust it's. gonna fail you know there's really big. problem with that is that I'm not. [ __ ] Christian so I don't care I.

think that's clear but Asian to your to. your to what you said there I just want. to encourage you brother like I would. not swear off all relationships. permanently dude like if you function. better independently right now man keep. working on yourself dude like get your. life in order bro and if if the day. comes when you feel your heart open to a. relationship more man like I would say. be open to it but also be prudent in in. terms of the woman I agree with I agree. with that too thank you so much. that was a post that I met on my stuff. right after my last breakout that's.

cool all right cool and then we have a. uh draymore came through on streamlabs. thank you man appreciate it thank you. very much Sierra Stanton can you read. this yeah uh jamor said hi everyone and. my homeboy MLD feminism causes children. to be traumatized and mass I have eight. years of experience as an ECE. excuse me do you really think someone. making minimum wage cares about your. child reaching their full potential I. had to quit could not fix damn. wow. someone said Chase talks so much Doyle.

should talk more yeah. I do want to bring in Billy and John. really quick what was that thing we need. to pull up from Sierra. she wants to marry chase chase you. because proposal dude you should pull up. her comment it was really funny yeah. just if you can try to scroll up and. find there it wasn't a super chat but. she doesn't want to marry me. yeah her sister's exactly no she said. she still does want to marry Brian but. yeah. Sierra Stanton would marry Brian but he. looks like my sister's ex sorry Brian.

law what do you think about that Sierra. dark hair blue eyes I like it um thank. you Sierra uh well Hey listen is the. sister I was about to say. where's the other Stanton. um. there's something uh okay uh. John is there anything you want to try. now yeah John tell us we need some bass. yeah you know the nature of the.

conversation is like sort of incanducive. to me being autistic because I tend to. speak in paragraphs then we get like 10. different ideas and I just don't have. that kind of memory so let's give the. floor to John what do you think I would. just be like monologuing just. extemporaneously give us a monologue. Chase is [ __ ] monologues all night. here oh boy give me a feminism feminism. I mean you know I'm not one of these. people that's like you know feminism is. okay it's this Third Way feminism has. gone too far you know earlier in the. discussion I wanted to make this point. where the sort of Downstream. eccentricities of feminism where this.

group does it this way this group does. it this way it all stems from the core. idea which I think anyone who. self-identifies as a feminist would. agree with which is that men and women. are equal not that they should be. treated equally in terms of dignity but. literally they are equal except for some. like uh ultimately inconsequential. biological features and I mean that like. physiologically in the sense that like. you know maybe men have a little bit. more muscle mass women are maybe a. little bit more flexible things like. that but feminists would tend to. disagree with the idea that men tend to. behave a certain way because because of. their biology and vice versa with women. and I think that when you trace that.

truth to the way societies have been. structured all throughout the world. whether it's in like the west or even in. like patriarchal societies and you know. Africa or Australia or wherever this. idea that men should be in charge tends. to hold up and this idea that like you. know there are stereotypes for how women. behave and Men behave tends to hold up. cross-culturally so I don't think it can. be explained by this sort of like tabula. rasa like we just decided arbitrarily. that men should act this way women. should act this way I think it's rooted. in our biology and I think that. societies were much healthier when we. acknowledge that and when we stopped. like deluding ourselves with this idea.

of progress as some sort of like thing. to be aspired to. based very base take I got a question. for you what do you think about uh dudes. like a jar or whatever his name was the. mgtow guys men going their own way. swearing off women what would you say to. those guys uh I understand it and I. sympathize with it I'm not going to tell. you like no dude you need to like get. married at 18 because there is something. to be said about. people getting married young happened. because they were more mature at that. age it wasn't just like something that. they just did incidentally and our. society has been structured now to.

basically delay maturation I think. um and you know I think yeah college is. important but there is something to be. said about this sort of like Neverland. you take your four-year tour of service. you go partying yeah like the delay of. maturation though is because we. necessarily exist in a more complex. world right like navigating the world. 500 to a thousand years ago it was a lot. simpler right whereas today like a child. is learning how to navigate an iPad in. like a technically sophisticated way. that's greater than like the technical. sophistication of like people you know. throughout arguably all of history but. even 60 years ago I mean the rate at.

which women were having their first. child was at a far younger age than now. people were getting married much younger. um and I think here's an example I like. to use if you had an emergency and you. were say like teleported to the 1980s. the average person that I would feel. comfortable with like rushing to on the. street is significantly younger than now. I wouldn't run to anybody under the age. of like perceivably 30 to be like oh my. God help me with this because people now. just have far less practical skills far. or far fewer practical skills far less. practical knowledge so we are more.

educated in the sense that we have. degrees but in terms of like actual. skills and knowledge people are far less. interesting than they were 50 years ago. when they did that again that's because. we specialize right like the men that. run our Farms today might not be able to. go out with an actual Pitchfork and do. that because they're using incredibly. sophisticated technology and there's. these like electronic like John Deere. tractors that are running their entire. Farms so I mean like I think as Society. evolves necessarily we we chop off this. lower level of foundational skills but. the level of specialization and. knowledge requirements we have to. succeed today are growing increasingly. higher such that in in eight years of.

lower education or whatever or 12 years. you might not have the skills you need. to even compete today in the world right. like in today's world what is like one. of your biggest like indicators of. success it's not how well you can Farm. it's not how much muscle mass you have. it's not how tall you are it's your IQ. right your ability to navigate like this. increasingly sophisticated world and I. think that's why that maturation is. being delayed is because you have to. study so much to keep up with everybody. I think that's the problem with the. college is people realize that people. who tend to go to university are more. successful and I think there was an. association made there that like. University is what is causing that and.

if you look at the average University. graduate nowadays they are like. unexceptional I mean these people like. vaguely enjoyed a chemistry class in. high school and so they're like well I. have to go to college I guess I'll go. get a four-year degree in Biochemistry. now they're working maybe in that field. or something but they're successful not. because they have the degree that was. like their foot in the door because it. was made illegal to test for IQ when. you're hiring because they thought it. was racist but I don't know if you guys. know this like in terms of job. performance the best predictor of that. isn't even experience or education is. your like raw IQ and I think that you. have actually devalued the college. degree because you have democratized and.

made it more accessible I don't think. that it's given people maybe that's a. skill set that they would need to do in. the world we can just look in the market. forget like uh whatever sjw we want to. measure we just look at what people are. paid like getting a graduate getting a. college degree is on our is inarguably. conferring a massive wage premium to you. and it's because as you said now like. the people that are graduating college. are unexceptional I agree with that. um but it used to be like the people. graduating high school a high school. degree alone you said before like you. know 100 years ago when we talked about. like good union jobs yeah not to knock.

people that work in Detroit but these. people were not highly educated people. they were putting machines on cars and. you know they they knew what they were. doing they were specializing their skill. set but those types of jobs no those are. ran by robots and the people that are. making money are the people programming. the robots running those factories you. know and that's the increasingly higher. burden that we have on skill sets today. are even people like Jordan Peterson. talk about how one of the scariest. aspects of society is we are creating a. society that is increasingly hostile. towards like sub 100 IQ people I think. the thing he fixed States on is like. below 85 IQ there's like no place for.

you yeah like at that point yeah and. even when we look at things like um uh. NAFTA uh the North African Freight free. trade agreement that uh Trump upgraded. or some other thing but like uh one of. the big issues ran into here is like how. do you retrain people at older ages to. fit with an increasingly complex economy. and I think from all the nber research I. saw about retraining people I think what. they ultimately ended up with was all. the money that we spent on retraining. probably would have been better to send. them as checks and just have them work. anymore because our world is going to be. so sophisticated that that Baseline. level of education is almost a necessity.

to cooperate with other people in this. world you know what I think one thing. that they'll kind of like the leftist. kind of forget is like like you know you. ultimately you do have to factor in that. some people are just [ __ ] [ __ ]. and like they are like they are can we. need people not like you know like you. guys are sorry [ __ ] get my [ __ ] sorry. I'm sorry I'm sorry I'll take the cross. on that one uh but the reality is like. similar to your pers your kind of. um you gave an example of like the.

majority of people trying to get on the. Lifeboat from the Titanic right and like. not everybody can get on the Lifeboat. you know I mean but I do think that. everybody should strive to get on the. Lifeboat sure you know what I mean. that's why I think like encouraging. people to do like trades and stuff is. important because absolutely we still. need electricians and plumbers and. Carpenters extremely needed right now. and that's that I think that's gonna be. the next big viral [ __ ] trade people. like [ __ ] me in crypto guy [ __ ] trying. to be like a droplet chipper like go to. the trades because like the trades are.

like I mean if you talk about like you. know construction diving welding. underwater electrician plumber you know. these are. extremely needed fields in the United. States and they're completely. understaffed because everybody's too. like trying to look cool on [ __ ]. Instagram that's a big problem but the. reality is I tell these guys too like. you need to have a good amount of. dignity dignity in the sense that like. you have a job at least as a man you can. go home be like I pay my bills I pay my. rent my my mom doesn't help me my dad.

doesn't help me I have my own man I'm My. Own man I pay my own bills I have my own. career and I'm trending upwards I think. that's a big thing that a lot of guys. need to do that's something we're also. on like the left when it comes to. education too and I think the left. failed a lot here you remember the. hashtag learn to code movement right. yeah yeah yeah exactly as you get more. and more educated people in society you. have to stop looking at people that do. trades as like lower clients uneducated. one of my biggest pets but who's the one. doing that it's typically women uh. they're like oh my God we see a plumber. I think it's I think it's educated. people in general I think that the more.

educated you get the more you have Marx. called it the petite Bourgeois right you. get this class of people that aren't. like the big business owners but they're. like the Highly Educated the lawyers the. dentist the doctors and all of them. highly educated and broke nine times out. of ten they're not. people will say that like I'm a doctor. and I've got like 150 000 a debt I'd. rather be a doctor with a doctor skills. no no I'm not talking about the doctors. don't talk about like these [ __ ] you. know these like I I I'm educated I had. like a gender studies degree or whatever. sure they think they're educated okay. we're getting a little bit off topic. here let me just try to move out let's.

bring it back okay learn to code losers. yeah. let's hold on. thank you for your patience seven years. I mean I've got zins in so we're. chilling Mr uh do you want to read it I. married my husband Mrs lindsby donated. 100 bucks thank you she says I married. my husband at the age of 19 in 2009 the. majority of my friends are stay-at-home. wives and mothers we all got married. young to men with similarly low to no. body counts Destiny is Right traditional.

traditional conservative women don't and. won't Fe. women aren't looking for 30 year old. [ __ ] boys we and we did this thing we. did this one right. we did this one um I do want to bring. Billy in here just to give her a little. bit of an opportunity here. um and then we'll pull up another soup. chat Billy this is your opportunity if. you want to just have a stream of. Consciousness for some clippable moments. just like drop some [ __ ] bass uh do.

you have any opinions on this entire. conversation you know tell us how much. you hate feminism um. there was one part I wanted to come in. on which was how would we make men great. again. um and I have built a platform on. praising men I guess and. trying to recognize men's struggles. but I also want to make it clear that I. do hold men accountable I worked at a I.

think I talked about this last time but. I worked at a person for four years all. four years of college I worked at a Mac. security Men's prison and I think that's. what got me into. kind of protecting men and every single. situation I dealt with in the prison I I. tutored like four guys a day when I went. in there. um did not have a father. and I would say it was 50 50 50 of the. cases the father walked out and 50 of. the cases the mother would not let the. father. be in the um.

yeah. uh yeah in the child's life so. at least in the criminal outside of it. men fathers in the home play. like every situation I've seen so I. wanted to make that clear that me. supporting men is doesn't mean I'm not. holding them accountable are you saying. that in order to make men great again we. need to have this one their father's in.

the home as possible absolutely I agree. with that every every situation I ever. saw with fathers not in the home was. horrible it was basically I don't want. to speak on any specific cases but when. fathers weren't in the home. men went to a lot of gang-related. situations and they would do things to. fit into the hierarchy and doing those. things would be do you have any like. just hot based dating takes dating takes.

yeah what was wrong with those things. gangs prisons you know they go to get. they go to gangs in prisons because they. have no sense of family as community at. home because nine times out of ten. they're coming from a single mother. household which is like the Bane on any. existence of any societal yeah single. mother households are the cancer of this. Earth if you want to have like a good. stable functioning Society single mother. households are the absolute antithesis.

of what you need to do and feminism has. contributed to that which is for sure. thousand percent. because they were like no I think. feminism what is to blame for the. collapse of the family structure it's. like is that feminist the slice of the. pie chart remaining would be so obscure. would be something like [ __ ] video. games not even video games. I just want to say this very quickly I. agree that single parent households are. are very single mother single mother. yeah single mother households is is bad.

I completely agree with you guys correct. however I think you have to take into. consideration that like just the PDF how. this was what you wanted to see that's. what yeah okay guys guys guys let her. talk please please. hey guys let's let Pixies you were. playing please stop. listen I feel like a lot of times when. people use this rhetoric but they. sometimes paint this false picture that. it's okay for um people to stay together.

if it means not being a single mother. household. um even if this situation the. relationship is super toxic abusive you. know just not healthy so I agree single. parent single mother households are. horrible completely agree with that but. I do think they're better than staying. with somebody. um if he's being abusive to you if he's. hitting you you should not raise your. child in the environment you should get. your child out of there because that. person is being a danger to your family. to you and to your child so I I agree. with that yeah but that is still an.

anomaly I mean like we mentioned earlier. this is a true statistics of couples can. recover from that in five years and I. think it's fundamentally selfish and you. can tell because the type of people who. say that they're like well I just wasn't. happy so it's better from it's better. for the child it's absolutely not it's. not better for the child but they think. that because they're so prideful they. don't want to address whatever they're. doing wrong and their Partners probably. because water seeks its own level. probably just as prideful and. narcissistic and doesn't want to address. what's wrong and fix themselves and so. they think well I'm not happy so the. child must really not be happy it.

destroys especially young boys if they. don't have their father in the household. they're not socialized properly like. they're literally screwed for the rest. of their lives daughters they don't it's. not as effective to them I mean they. like get a little bit more promiscuous. with the guys that day but in terms of. like literally just like derailing. someone's trajectory in life young girls. can more or less recover pretty well but. boys are like [ __ ] if they're dead. yeah I just wanted to say as someone. who's studying law I take a lot of. criminology classes and it is true that. men who are raised in single mother. households end up becoming criminals. because of the lack of the Father Figure. in their life yes as she was just making.

that point yeah. criminals homelessness. I think it's important I just think it's. important to shine light on the whole. fatherless. things that's not you chase who's making. the noise on the ground can somebody. stop like on somebody's banging my. [ __ ] is it this no it's not bad. somebody's like there's a Audible. I'm not weird I can't hear it I don't. care who it is just stop please Molina. what was it that you were yeah I was.

just curious I just wanted to see like. an honest uh answer on this one if. there's someone that's very very young. it might be really religious and like. values marriage a lot and goes into a. marriage and has kids when they're like. 18 19 20 and then. um a year into the relationship it gets. really really abusive. yeah even though it might be rare from. what you guys think uh if it would.

happen what would you recommend for. those people to do would they divorce or. do you want them to keep going in the. relationship you can't divorce I mean. that's not a real thing uh you can like. separate see his Catholic background. shines through he knows. you can separate but you can't actually. divorce that's not a real thing even. though it might be like physically. abusive because you got to endure people. are too you want to stick yeah I mean. people nowadays are just [ __ ]. everybody [ __ ] quits everybody gives. up it's too hard I'm this XYZ this is.

why I'm special so I can [ __ ] up this. entire situation based upon me being. special and the reality is people just. haven't learned to [ __ ] endure there. have been hard times in relationship I'm. sure you guys have hard times in. relationship any relationship has a hard. time and it is what it is you need to. push through and you need to enjoy. because what we're in this situation now. like where everybody's just creating. this like super nuanced like one percent. example of like well what if the kid's.

[ __ ] transgender black and abused and. he's a black lives matter supporter like. cool okay I get like that one [ __ ]. mindless situation one that might be in. that situation what would you recommend. okay. I'll tell you what indoor I'll tell you. what I would do if if my daughter was in. a relationship with a guy and she gets. married to him and he starts abusing her. you're into it I'm gonna be showing up. on their doorstep and teaching him some. lessons that's that's what I would do I. also would not if if if I didn't have.

the you know. capacity to do that for some reason I. don't know I wouldn't want my daughter. in that situation quite frankly and I. understand the argument to endure. because I have people close to me who. grew up in abusive households and it. lasted for periods of time and it was a. phase and they endured through it and. they ended up raising healthy successful. families to an extent to stick in those. relationships that might be abusive to. everyone involved and a child if there's. I'm not saying like hey stick in the. relationship and get the [ __ ] beat out.

of you. guys I'm just asking you what you. believe I'm just telling you something. asking you what do you think if you just. stick in that relationship or not it's. it's it's such it is such an extreme. example that I can't give a prescription. for what other people should do there is. there is an element of of how do you. guys how are you hold on hold on there. is an element of value in what he's. saying but all I can tell you is what I. would do. a situation like that do you ever finish. that third trimester abortion.

right there are households where parents. are abusive to children. like that's not like an unfathomable. thing but for you to have that immediate. visceral reaction to a type of abortion. that's so incredibly rare but then I. mean we're talking about like a guy like. getting drunk and like you know beating. up beating his wife occasionally versus. like somebody puncturing a woman's. stomach with a needle and injecting. euthanasia into the baby's eye socket. I'm just like all I'm saying is that.

third trimester is incredibly rare but. you have a visceral immediate reaction. but to hypothesize on could there be. possible okay so so so let me ask you. guys in the Catholic church I know that. there's like annulments for marriages. and stuff are there that was a mistake. are there no exceptions for like if a. guy is beating his wife constantly no. there are but now if women could as well. right hold on hold on there's also a. chicken drawn between if a woman's. beating it hold on hold on hold on guys. a civil divorce a legal divorce and an. actual divorce of a marriage it there's.

a distinction drawn in the Catholic. church where it's excusable to get a. divorce in the legal sense I mean look. I'll just I'll I'll say this I know. there's like the Christian Catholic. position all that kind of stuff if a. woman is in a situation where she's. getting the [ __ ] beat out of her by her. husband and like he might kill her yeah. she should leave the marriage in my. opinion but statistically like that's. not what it is it's kind of like with. the abortion anomaly that's not like the. majority of abortion so let's like talk. about what actually happens and what. actually happens when people are getting.

divorced isn't these types of scenarios. it's like literally initiated you'll. probably know the stat between. two-thirds and 80 of the time by women. and the plurality of that reason is they. feel unfulfilled they want a new chapter. in their life it's like the Eat Pray. Love phenomenon that should be outlawed. you legally actually should not be able. to do that yeah but then again I'm going. to say the exact same thing I said. before where or sorry finish it 56 of. the time with divorces uh one or both. spouses sight pornography as one of the. reasons why their relationship has to.

come to an end an irreconcilable. difference. hold on what's the percent of uh. abortions divorces that are initiated by. women Brian 78 78 80 and what percent. percentage of those women have college. degrees well it jumps to 90 if they're. college educated or real. yeah. hold on you guys miss caught that all. the time the percentage of divorces by. women with college degrees is lower as. they have more education but of the. women that have college degrees when. they have divorces there's a higher.

percentage so just to be clear you're. better off marrying a woman with a. college degree than not because those. marriages have a higher success rate but. when divorces happen they have a higher. you guys I hear that stat finagled a lot. on these shows but. um I agree I agree with that I want to. ask one more scenario okay please what. about if uh two people get married have. a kid and then the wife starts cheating. do you think they should divorce. absolutely they should divorce them. Jesus himself. to like work things through right Jesus. himself said in in cases of adultery.

divorces do you think the divorce is. worse than physical abuse. for the children yes. yes. if a woman's getting abused yeah I think. she should leave like I mean if it's a. if it's a brief temporary thing like. what if it's mental abuse.

every single psychologist we can like. Google it right now if you want we'll. agree that oh you're the patterns that. you have at home are going to replicate. in their future right so if this child. gets used to seeing their other loved. ones and probably them being talked down. upon um being treated badly they. normalize that behavior so it does it. does get passed down generated yeah. you're correct. failure again and relationships I just. want you I just want you guys to. understand this is like the reason why I.

sit on this podcast. and like extol the virtues that I do is. because it's like I think we need more. righteous biblical masculinity in the. world where you actually have good men. that are going to be good leaders of. their households they're not going to. beat their wives or emotionally or. mentally abuse them or any of these. things like that's why I continue to do. this podcast with Brian because we need. to make men great again so that we don't. have these situations yeah they're. talking about liberal men who would get. epically triggered like snowflakes. you're equal to me I'm gonna beat you up. but there's probably going to be cases.

where there are like really really. horrible marriages and my question is. would you recommend those people to like. choose happiness and like divorce and. try to like be on their own because. being in the relationship makes them. really really unhappy maybe even. suicidal who knows do you think they. should rather stay just because they but. you're trying to think they should go to. you're taking a return to God you're. taking a very very easy yeah you're. taking it let's say if you're Partners. being really really really bad to you. and there's like so many things that he. needs he needs therapy but he's not. doing it do you think that the wife in.

that case should stick around for that. even though it might be really bad for. her and the and the child. um. hold on you're taking an extremely I. don't think it's very Niche example you. are I don't think it is okay I think. there's a lot of so listen you're taking. an extremely Niche example and you're. blank in state meaning it for like the. entire solution I think that I think you. are though no no I'm not saying because. you're saying like what if the guy is. like beating the wife yeah and then like. the kids are like [ __ ] [ __ ].

they love black lives matter because. they never because I never talk I never. see you conservatives talk about. problems like this I'm not a. conservative first of all how dare you. assume my political affiliation about. problems that might happen in America. I always see you guys talk about I. always see you guys talk about how you. get there and all these things but when. it actually comes to like happiness and. like mental health I never see you talk. about. this is why I tell people that they need. to find God and go to church because.

it's like all of these problems that. you're describing if somebody. authentically has a relationship with. Christ and they're living in alignment. with the word like it's going to. mitigate 99 but I do know conservatives. that is going to church they're [ __ ]. up they still abuse their Partners. I'm asking you if you're going to stick. so wait wait you know conservative you. say would you tell them to divorce it. would you sell them in an abusive. relationship you say you know. conservative men right now that are. beating their wives no I'm saying that. they probably exist right I mean I'm.

asking you what would you say to help. those people what would you say it's a. liberal men who are beating their wives. stop being her yeah but it's a lot. easier as a liberal if you're not. religious to just divorce right but if. you're really really religious like. really heavily and you have a lot of. pressure from your parents and like. Society if you or like the group that. you're coming from the culture it's. going to be a lot harder for you to. divorce but you have the pressure to. stick because you guys are saying like. no matter what happens you stick in the. marriage even though it might be waiting.

again. one second to go back to the point that. I was making you know encouraging people. to go to church if somebody's in a. situation like that this is a concern. that. ought to be brought before the church. and taken care of with the elders and. the other people that are there and like. let's say John is beating his wife right. and his wife comes to the church. leadership and she's like hey like this. is a problem with two blocks like you. know at that point in time the church. leadership can step in and be like yo. John why are you beating your wife which. honestly I appreciate them asking a lot.

of Institutions wouldn't do that yeah. and they ought to and and this is this. I've already told her twice this is a. positive this is a positive social. pressure that comes with being a part of. the body of Christ and like actually. being involved right like there's so. many benefits to people seeking God and. going to church and like being a part of. a community like that where a situation. like you're describing a rising like. there's going to be a ton of Social. account ability but when people are. atomized and they're separated from the. rest of their community and stuff and. they're you know they have like a. secular conservative home you don't have.

that social net to like people used to. get lynched for doing things like that I. think the issues are like the broadest. or the most in the most macro broadest. sense I think the big disagreements is. it feels like on our side it feels like. we're talking about relationships like. they're meant to be enjoyed and you guys. are talking about relationships like. they're meant to be endured absolutely I. mean to an extent a relationships. the idea that they're just meant to be. endured again it's another false. dichotomy right like you're saying he. agreed I didn't know yeah no no no you.

do. marriage comes down to in my opinion my. humble opinion as in a single 28 year. old man you know I can't speak from. experience but it's like I listen to. Guys Like Jordan Peterson and he makes. Incredible points in the sense that. there is a lot to be enjoyed in marriage. like you guys are describing but also at. the same time it takes personal. sacrifice it takes endurance it takes. like sticking through thick and thin and. like really sacrificing for the.

relationship it's not all it's not going. to be daisies. I think you can agree that majority like. nowadays the majority of like average. people and people in general just give. up too quick on anything I don't know I. think that the disc you disagree you. think that people are like it's more to. like push through things and like not. happen and then we can survive better. independently without relationships so. women's standards for enjoying. relationships is getting higher and I. think that we're having an issue like in. America well in most of the Western. World probably which is all failing.

there's also a lot of. successful. what nation are we failing compared to. well let's see America uh let's see. obesity rates are on a climb Let's see. we can't get you're not answering the. question what country or what other like. you know what are we failing to okay so. let's talk about failing in regards to. obesity no she's asking for an example. of a country that's doing it right. ironic right no you we don't need it.

you're saying we're failing as a whole. yes. it's like 100 years ago yeah yeah that. you're trying to say like we need to. find another country that's doing right. but I'm saying no wrong is wrong and. we're doing it wrong like if we're. trending in the wrong direction like. we're getting fatter we cannot meet. military Recruitment and like what the. [ __ ] holy [ __ ]. no. my bad drug use is an all-time high. self-deletion isn't an all-time high uh.

single mother households going up uh. American education on every front is. like dropping in numbers so like every. objectifiable number yes America is. trending in the wrong just listen hold. on hold on. let's get to a super chat room it's like. Brian pulled up super chats coming you I. gotta have it ready Victor apostol said. uh hi Brian and panel again enjoying. your content I have joined a support. group for young adults teens just to be.

prepared for when my kids grow up in. case I screw up in any way there are 45. 45 younglings there the issues they go. through start at parents mismatch. thank you okay let's let me get the. other I think you supported us thank you. thank you for that one you guys I don't. know hey thanks for that bro do you have. any more Super chats yeah did we do this. one Robert Harold thank you 100 bucks. thank you for 199.99 to Destiny others. who aren't Christian and don't believe. in the Bible I pray God softens your.

heart so you can experience his presence. that should be a capital H and the old. capital H he has for you he has I pray. this plants a seed in your mind and you. ask God to reveal himself to you he will. amen amen amen appreciate all right we. have a Caesar Quintana thank you let's. be honest women say everything is abuse. yeah facts so true there is truth to. that so that's true there is truth it's. like like Stephen Crowder was not. abusing his wife at all that was just. gone over absolutely.

three minutes of him making a mistake. sorry for the tens of millions of. dollars I've made baby I'm having a I'm. having a moment as a human right now if. you make money if you make money you can. act like a pig no but he made a mistake. you're taking a three-minute judgment on. a guy of like of [ __ ] multiple years. that's true but that pyramid looks. pretty bad yeah but come on let's be. honest you do not get that angry in a. relationship. that's what I'm saying that's what I'm. saying I'm saying if somebody saw a. three-minute club with me at my worst.

I'm sorry were we interrupting your. sound effects with our [ __ ] podcast. Concepts. I'm sorry Brian my bad right go ahead. sorry go ahead we'll just be quiet go. ahead yeah my bad go ahead this is so. Brian why don't you bring up a topic. this is so [ __ ] age. well actually I have a question for you. yeah shout out to the chat counting my. white claw account they're at seven. they're accurate without the show I am. what the [ __ ] hey what's up.

just just let's let's keep it moving. experience with crazy girls all right. don't bring them on don't worry so wait. you at some point in the conversation. you did you recently decide to wait. until marriage or have you always just. felt that way I've always felt that way. because maybe I misheard maybe I. misheard did you previously have like a. hookup Fizz or something or no okay I. must miss her I mean I've always been. this way because like I was raised like.

extremely extremely conservatively. Christian so okay I've always held these. values I also have I wrote a note here. Sweden has failed. um. I think I haven't been there for four. years so I don't know what's going on. over there she's the official Ambassador. yeah Norway is a little more based oh. [ __ ]. donated 301 I am not supporting any. point. 45.000 teens are really screwed up man.

not small issues problem is people. should be careful when choosing their. life partner I see no simple solution. for this most of them are from us West. are you needs a lot of work slash talk. definitely supporting our side. Absolutely I'll tell you what the. solution is an authentic return to God. true. the reason people aren't careful is. because it has become less valuable of. an institution because it's so easy to. get out of it like how could you truly. value something that you can undo so. easily do you think people do divorce.

like as a first or second option because. usually when people divorce yes yes. it's billed as a solution to all marital. problems no it's not I have anecdotes. for days. there's stats. this is my starter husband that's kind. of like meme online that's like going on. Tick Tock but it's summarizing an. attitude towards marriage that doesn't. take it seriously but the women fare. worse in divorce in every measurable. metric and they're the ones that. initiate it so something's clearly not. women farewell that would require that.

there are rational beings. they can divorce guys Hard Times getting. married they take all the money primary. caregivers with their children I mean. they can just divorce rape their. husbands with no fault divorce normally. divorce rape your husband that's not how. that works all the time for only 10 of. marriages paid out in Alabama don't even. get challenged can we just say divorce. sexual assault yes.

that's all right I saw my room was. texting you earlier you're doing a great. job. watch it. I'm so confused he's joking he's joking. I'm texting Myron right now you texting. Chase yeah. we got any other super chats no we're I. think we're good on this oh wait you. want to look at some of the lower ones. um. [Music].

it's a thousand dollars Victor you're. throwing me under the [ __ ] table here. bro you must oh my God I have a question. bro what are you doing how long was it. he'd just mute you for 10 minutes who. Victor who do you want muted. me he's saying ask and you shall receive. wait I think he's saying yeah me oh. because earlier I need to get muted if.

they muted you then you would do it. maybe but yeah wait mute me I'm pretty. sure that's what I'm saying bro scandal. wait. it's over Brian oh no this is my show. now I'm the captain now mute the Femme. oh who do you want me who do you he's in. my Instagram who do you want Victor who. you want muted is that Rippy JG this is. MLD is this MLD mute me oh okay. all right.

I'm Mike number seven Jesus I guess it's. twice 1202 right now you're done till 12. bro that's a lucky number by the way uh. we're gonna wrap here pretty soon we're. gonna wrap here pretty soon you guys get. a lot of endurance dude we still have we. still have 17 000 members watching I. don't think they're very god-like okay. no they're thumbnails Brian oh my God. that's right. it's just like you're kind of doing the. only fans thing here and we're just. posting like kind of like loots to get. money and then you're getting all these. donations.

go hard well what do you think my. position is your position is why you're. using them what positions. because it gets clicks. MLB's muted bro. Mike seven is muted not Mike five. someone someone just spent a thousand. dollars. number Mike five. come on scuffed Jesus my producers can't.

even do basic [ __ ] math hello. [Laughter]. [Music]. I don't explicitly ask for anything I. literally watched my when my buddy was. on the show you like pull your hair to. the side so I can see your boobs yes. not a very God I don't remember Matthew.

Mark Luke and John does Jesus say Ryan. is not a moralist he's an every man I'm. an every man Ryan. doesn't claim to be a Christian he just. says he's a man of God whatever I'm just. a man of God you're not acting very. Godly if you do that absolutely you guys. are right. on the podcast it wouldn't be like Chase. is trying to correct it's true if it. well if it was up to chase I don't even. know what the thumbnails on the show you. know we were going to bring the the girl. who got who's gonna bring her back it.

would be just the eye slit. thank you Mary for the defense there. um yeah I mean just the thumbnail's like. you know you gotta you gotta do. something a little eye-catching you know. I'm a man of God I'm a man of God but. when I stream I just like lean little. forward and then the viewers the donuts. I'm not far hard look I was looking out. for her like I'm a nice guy you know so. I was like she's got the only fan so I.

was like look her [ __ ] titties are. obscured let me let me throw her very. selfless of you I'm just a very nice. you're a very good person I'm a good guy. I was looking out for for Far Far yeah. listen yeah. can I wingman for her. destiny listen do you know her I had a. talk with her after the show and she. told me yeah that she is in love with. you wow that's amazing she said that to. me and listen I want to do I want to. facilitate this budding beautiful.

relationship we can all talk later. because she was telling me things that. chase was saying about you he actually. that's cab the leg shaking and. everything that you guys always sitting. together. sowing seeds of homosexuality on the. show I'm not selling. stuff. don't project your elbow stuff onto this. side maybe that's why you were walking. literally someone over here.

yeah. where are we at okay we have uh farha. also objected to something that I'm. trying to remember or something oh here. we go. I'd recommend you having a conversation. with Muhammad hijab I thought that name. was Jacob first how about Islam rather. than a charlatan like Daniel hakikitu. Brian I'd recommend checking his channel. out as well to see Islam's response to. the problems y'all have been talking.

about wow uh yeah I'll check it out for. the wreck how would you like living. under Sharia law Jesus Christ it's about. the same as Christian law to be fair not. really. pretty similar with this guy we're. saying it should be illegal to get. divorced I don't know it's pretty. similar there's no it's one of those. things where like the woke are more. correct than like yeah he's right like. is it yeah yeah I mean thank you. that is your wife if she drives or. something like Sharia law has to has to. compensate for being incorrect by like.

being more brutal where it's like. disagree I'll kill you Christian law is. true so it's Justified insofar as that. true he's not beating his wife because. she's driving he's beating his wife. because he knows if she drives she'll. kill somebody else see like you can see. like you're like remember there's a. greater purpose to everything you'll. like this is a fantastic you'll like. this because it's a superhero movie. remember in Spider-Man three I'm like. I'm like Spider-Man and you're like. Eddie Brock and you've got like the. Symbian like trying to pull you out of. it like in the final battle I can see. it's still there the remnants of it oh. otaku made a great point he said. Christians don't throw gaze off roofs.

yes this is correct why not. look where that God is uh let's do uh. let's do a fit check flan life I know. you're probably not still in the chat. forever donated all the 50 or excuse me. the 50 gifted memberships from way early. on in the show we got to do a fit check. the check is where we stand up and you. show us what you're wearing so like. awesome you know we get the fit we see. the fit is the click base right here you. want me to go first uh everybody just at.

the same time and mostly just that side. of the table can do we just [ __ ] kick. back no I want everyone to do it. everybody wants to see. where those jeans. jeans oh these are high quality rainbows. and if everybody including Destiny can. do a spin like let's do a little spin. can we do a little spin wait wait wait. um I'm not doing it Mary's a dignified.

woman of God thanks with a boyfriend. true and a cool card I guess all right. okay cool that was. wait Chase show the guns let's see the. guns Chase let's see the tries from. California so. [ __ ] Myron you wanna see mine yeah. actually yeah let's see yours double buy. a little double buy action. wow that's actually impressive [ __ ] my. that's impressive hey uh Destiny is this.

death by snoo snoo or what. usually what do you bicep curl. what do you bicep curl weight or. overhead press. or shoulder press oh [ __ ] what are your. numbers the binge what is the bench. branches kilograms because of Swedish is. 95 for 10 reps wait can you pull she. Swatch like 165 for five reps how much. do you weigh like probably 140. 60. kilograms oh sorry the deltoids are. pretty solid too I reckon deadlift uh.

225. because she hip thrust like [ __ ]. almost like 15 I think question can you. do pull-ups on the stream right now. would you be down 10 or 12 or something. wow could you could you squat Destiny. right now I have heels on okay and I'm. taking those off because then I'm. Barefoot and that costs money okay so.

Destiny has a cute body thanks. Nicole Nicole okay oh. I'm trying to call my Instagram is. instagram.com Destiny she can hit me up. okay my mic time up is over is it oh. [ __ ] he's mad. three minutes three three minutes I. think you got three minutes Return of. the King. oh my God okay um any one final thought. before we wrap up the show price I'm.

tired MLB is dying to get back in um I. just wanted to say okay it's completely. red you brought up the Witcher 3 earlier. right you said that uh the sex scene is. a Witcher 3 but it opens up with girl. girl it opens up with him ass butt naked. but with his dick out I'm sorry I'm. sorry I just I just wanted to just throw. that in there I just wanted to. I'll check it out later. I love that game have you ever played. Fable uh I haven't I haven't played a. lot of RPG stuff because it plays really. poorly on stream people get really bored. watching me play that stuff but yeah do. you play World of Warcraft [ __ ] no do I.

look like a donation. bro World personally attacked right now. playing Fallout 3. I played a little bit. of New Vegas which one's your favorite. um I like the original Fallout 3 oh I. like New Vegas. except that times four what were you. saying let's go around with closing.

thoughts on the the discussion yeah get. your final super trans man this is. really nice I'm very happy I feel really. good yeah this is really cool it's good. to hear okay it's good to hear. um yeah I enjoyed it I had a fun time. follow me at pxie fixie and thank you. for having me on. sometimes I wonder I worry on these. shows if like actual physical presence. can dictate like talking time because I. feel like you had a lot more to say but. you're kind of like crunched in the. corner I know you've got a lot to say. but you're kind of like crushing the. corner I wonder if you guys had a bigger. table it's totally uh the corner of Doom.

the corners are so difficult. Billy. [Laughter]. fifth wave feminism will save Society. what is fifth wave feminism. returning to Traditional Values back to. the kitchen ladies back to the kitchen. back to the kitchen is that even. feminism though that's that's that's. mine is like a humiliation rituals me.

and my cool friends it's the fifth wave. feminism because they're going to be. back in the kitchen doing only fans. um nevarius navares that's your name uh. nevarius follow me on Instagram robot. shout out to my uh best Discord friend. Chrome face Karma uh. do you want to say anything to Destiny. like you said well I had a nice chat. thanks do you want to say anything to. him what do you mean you said before the. show like you wanted to say something to.

him oh say anything well no he he's he's. you're pretty yeah right he's pretty. he's eyes. I think Chase is pretty actually I will. say. no wait not before marriage what Chase. can wait okay. no chase. I just wanted is she your type the whole. podcast she has been saying to me no no. no. I'm saying what exposure no no no no no.

no no. she definitely said that no no no no no. no no this is her mom bro hey do you. guys. hey Eric you want to tap MLB hello. yay MLB closing thoughts for us bro take. us home I am going to be continuing my. YouTube tour so I'm going to be on. sneako this upcoming week I'm heading to. Miami tomorrow so maybe on snico. Jedediah Bila valuetainment money.

Brandon Carter's Victory talk and I may. or may not be on a fresher fit after our. kind of like talking Myron into doing it. tomorrow night so check me out there in. regards to all this stuff I mean just. big shout out to Brian who has. maintained a colored hair uh so far I. think the stress is gonna eventually. turn in full gray but big up to you bro. you're you're holding it down and then. um yeah I just think like a lot of. people given Destiny grief like you need. to kind of like apply the the red pill.

beliefs if you will across aboard which. is he's his own man he's living life on. his own terms so like you gotta do have. to give him some respect in that sense. can I add to that I will say Destiny I. thought I would definitely dislike you. but you had some very interesting points. and I I definitely respect yeah I would. like to apologize for calling you a cuck. I apologize I didn't know that your wife. was glad you don't no apologies women I. appreciate that okay make this chance to. apologize.

absolutely nobody all right Mary good. dude good time no apologies nice talking. um if you want to follow me on Twitter. or Instagram it's both Mary archived and. the show I'm on is called pop culture. crisis if you want to check it out check. out her show guys it's a good show. thanks. thanks uh John Doyle what you got for us. uh I guess I would have to respectfully. disagree with my good friend here on. some of the red pill strategy it's just. you know ultimately it's like a cheat. code for mastering the things of this. Earth at a greater level of. sophistication I think the only way to.

truly live is to give your life to Jesus. Christ and to pray that he uses you as a. vessel to fulfill his mission. um and I do actually I do have to extend. an olive branch I do respect a lot uh. that Destiny came on with his wife. because he knew what he was getting into. and people give him a hard time so that. does say a lot about his character even. if his marriage is sort of an. Abomination uh it is it is good uh that. he would at least in that regard he has. more honor than a lot of other people. who operate within his Coalition so that. is good. do you have a response to that Destiny. I'm gladly an Abomination nothing would.

make me proud Abomination that's the. pride yeah he's a little icky are you an. Abomination. yes. he's gonna go home and cry over his. millions of dollars and all the women. after him I will be crying now Chase who. also worships God but clearly a. different one than this guy. same God different approach towards uh. okay gotcha is it even that different. though men beating their wives very much. seems like an Old Testament Guy versus. the New Testament guy yeah that only. like the god of the Old Testament by the.

way I am a I am an Old Testament. respecter I will tell you that okay um. yeah closing thoughts. first off I want to thank you guys for. the good faith discussion this was I. enjoyed it I enjoyed it a lot of. interesting points raised you guys super. cool exposing yourselves being. vulnerable like this on the podcast like. he said you guys knew you'd get roasted. I think it takes a lot of courage and. bravery to do that grateful you guys did. um people that know me know that I. believe that a return to God is the. thing that will heal our civilization. and even though you guys have your. disagreements with that I firmly believe.

that and we'll preach that until the day. I die and uh if you guys want to follow. me you can at Sovereign bra on Instagram. and Twitter uh Sovereign and then. b-r-a-h. um. also for the fam in the chat drop a. crisis Lord and a day use vault in all. caps let us know that you're still with. us and uh yeah also Everybody follow. follow John Doyle oh yeah I make uh. offensive internet content at. youtube.com John Doyle uh I'm a real. normal well-adjusted guy I'm sure you'll.

like it a lot you should definitely go. check it out all right cool so I'm. youtube.com Destiny and shoes what do. people find you. um Melina at twitch.tv Molina the. melina.jorenson on Instagram and YouTube. and let's take a talk I think yep follow. me on YouTube also Modern Life dating. Modern Life dating one word MLD for. short I was just on one America news. you'll see me uh onlyfans.com whatever. go check it out um by the way guys we. have 16 000 people still watching can we. get the likes to ten thousand can we get.

10 000 likes right now fam uh seven. Brian is bringing you guys free content. every freaking week multiple times every. week smash that like button support. support our boy Brian come on this guy. up here he was upstairs fighting for his. life a couple years ago and now he's. back here okay come on I just. sacrificing life and limb to bring you. guys entertainment support this man yes. it is uh. it is uh there's there's a lot of. physical.

okay. all of us yeah you'll be fine appreciate. it appreciate it uh Archduke Franz. Ferdinand what you got for us. um this was a really great podcast out. of all the ones I've been here for this. is a really good good one oh you guys. did a great job. wait Who Who Are You. is she like a is she related to someone. here or is it she's my sister oh yeah. wait I can't stop your [ __ ] with me.

or not no like we're related yeah. it's like. you're right hello. full blood both parents. we're also related apparently so yeah we. absolutely are we're all original should. I just like bro your parents are related. [Laughter]. oh my God. Chase would never settle for a I don't.

know where I'm going. no no leave me alone leave me alone stop. that's a big L for your boyfriend for. you to be whispering. bro you're with it doesn't [ __ ]. matter she has a boyfriend she's got a. [ __ ] boyfriend. can we get Epson chat. this is motivation for the boyfriend no. break up with her right break up. everybody said he was handsome all he. said was he was yeah that's a that's a. big L it's over that's a big L for the. [ __ ] boyfriend you can't be. whispering on the podcast 20.

000 people. the Next Generation. that it was a joke it's a joke this is. what this is what I'll say this is what. I'll say my girlfriend who had a. background in dancing dance with another. guy there might be a Stern conversation. but if she were on a podcast whispering. [Music].

[Laughter]. and like fixing your freaking neck bro. there's not much I can do man I'm in. physical therapy but we tried. acupuncture yet I have and I should try. it I've heard amazing things. um. yo I thought religious chronic lyme.

disease acupuncture I dude I I thought I. look I will give you that on the. acupuncture thing I thought it was BS. I've heard from like a half dozen people. they tried it and they were like due to. change my life so be free chat be free. the chat is now off of members only mode. be free if you guys want. um. anything else. can you please apologize to your. boyfriend. oh you legit [ __ ] said that you.

should bring it or bring him home Bro. you've been I [ __ ] the [ __ ] out of. Chase the entire shows he's too old for. me. I [ __ ]. oh my God. Billy please I said it was a joke. bro I I watched that video. I don't know if there's like a. miscommunication we didn't say paused oh. stopped we said over it's over it's done. we're not coming there's always the man. of God we deserve Destiny yeah.

yeah thank you man TTS is at 69 if any. of you mad Mad Men want to get a last. minute thing in here uh guys we're. almost at 10K well we're 2000 away from. 10K likes if you can drop a like please. on the video. um do we do the Patrice clip no I don't. think so that's overplayed. um. feminism is cancer hello based. clearly based clearly true I'm just. trying to get like a little last minute.

back feminism is the cancer that killed. my grandpa what the feminism is the. beautiful thing that allowed all the. lovely young ladies to be on this. podcast today so thank you. I'm glad we got there I appreciate. everything Mary Nev. um Billy pixie Billy and pixie how to. say emelina my lovely wife if you want. like a last minute like influx of donors. we have to give out like our most. controversial take that is still TOS. friendly.

I was a Catholic we did a lot of. kneeling okay oh here here okay how. about this I think taking dicks in the. ass from other guys is kind of gay but. true but only one of us here tonight. yo you just got you just got roasted. also I'm not a part of whatever he just. described but he's still but Brian still. hasn't sucked dick and you have so um. it was a big thing there's a big no. there's no dick sucking on one side and.

dick sucking on the other. so anyway I'm just defending Brian. because he can't stop I'm just trying to. get the [ __ ] out of here okay Frank. Castle I'm going for what's your most. controversial taste I got two so I got. two the idea I don't wanna I don't wanna. carry that cross right now here I got it. okay I got two I got two not in this uh. I recommend men don't go down on women. all right eating them out yeah no no no. that's gay pretty much no that's [ __ ]. based as [ __ ] eating [ __ ] is gay what.

how many years. wait what was the second hot take the. second outtake is uh men should not pay. on first dates wow. wow oh my God. 50 50. pay all up front. the guy that's not even gonna go down on. her that's bass that's pretty Giga I. would pay for my split the check what is. what I mean split the check oh that's. not even a hot tape bro come on out. that's the norm oh guys super hot.

feminist take women should be able to. vote that's the norm though in uh dude. come on Brian Brian that's that's the. norm in Tokyo in Japan it's split I've. got one first date Dutch feminists. donated seventy dollars great raw dog. podcast and shout out to all wrong. I don't think that this is the solution. but I think it makes far more sense than. what we're doing now in terms of. incarceration how our criminal justice. system works I'm sure all of you. familiar with certain loyalty programs.

at coffee shops wherever you get a punch. card right you know your eighth punch. card you get like a free coffee or. something like that I think it makes. more sense than what we're doing now to. like upon your eighth felony arrest you. just get executed by the officer on site. bricks and eating Smiley catfish oh. Devon I disagree with you on this one. Washington.

the average person who is like arrested. for a violent offense has been arrested. not for violent defenses but just in. general 11 times prior all of the people. we have right now that are locked up in. prison for the rest of their lives I'm. not talking about people where it's. ambiguous they still get convicted it's. obvious we have DNA fashion video it's. still a burden it's like translating the. burden from being on the public and. safety and things like that so now it's. a burden on our tax dollars sucking out. of the system these people do not. deserve to be alive so so how do you so. yeah so hot take how do you what is the.

legislation on the execution is it like. 45 caliber straight in the brain or two. in the chest how does that work yeah. shooter people they can get like you. know. so how are we killing them this is an. important questions. you guys are really trying to yeah.

23 70 bucks he said Mr Doyle when are. you doing the ice cream video also you. should do a video about whether. Zeppelins are inherently left-wing wait. hold on let me answer this question with. a question in homage to our friend who. departed what is your favorite flavor of. ice cream destiny. not precisely but she's really boring. because the answer is going to be the. best. the best chocolate chip cookie. it is chocolate chip cookie though okay.

that's interesting the idea with that is. I made some comments I think in a video. actually about the geography that's uh. vanilla ice cream is inherently right. wing because it exists you know as. vanilla it's in its natural state it. doesn't have these additives to enhance. it for you to generates who have eroded. your dopamine receptors so you can't. perceive vanilla as good as you know. these other flavors did you take any. pills today and no I didn't I didn't. take any Zen anything like that oh my. God but it's also I think it's. interesting medicine typically vanilla. is used as a buzzword like oh that's so. vanilla that's so Bland they use this to. describe anything that maybe people on.

this side of the table with regard to be. sacred or good and I think that's just. destructive to tell people that they. always need to like chase this Dragon of. novelty and Variety in order to get. enjoyment out of life which is why I. like it change my answer to Rocky Roads. entire personality no heck off can't we. accept when it comes to sharing someone. else's entire on screen Persona next. time feel a sense of humor too can you. restart that I said you stole Nick. Fuentes you stole Nick Fuentes his.

personality where is Nick Fuentes. personality give it back that's like. obviously not true I mean and the thing. is it's like his audience are like these. Zoomers. thing you know it's like the Donald. Trump you know the way he talks and a. lot of places. yeah no it's the way we talk the way we. gesticulate all of these young Zoomer. content creators are all trying to mimic. Donald Trump to be funny like that's. like what that is.

um in terms of like being a young. right-wing Catholic male I didn't know. that there was like a monopoly in them. like this fight yeah but the difference. is not you talk fight girl the death. I got in trouble for that recently. actually but yeah oh my God no I can't I. can't it's like The Dark Knight yeah. we've been trying to get you on the show. I mean that's on you but who's who bro. we gotta bring in Schaefer Meister we've. been trying though Ryan that's my boys. okay you gotta bring them in. all right I'm trying to I feel like I'm.

forgetting something but uh it's. available. said John Doyle for president okay for. vice president president why would you. burden us with checks and balances. that's such a that's worse than marriage. I mean come on but yeah cool all right. um anyways guys last call hit that like. button please on your way out get us to. 10 000 likes please really would really. appreciate it big thank you for tuning. in tonight you could have been anywhere. in the world but you're here with me I. appreciate that thank you to everyone. who super chats and supports the show. the uh support tonight was really.

overwhelming thank you guys uh so much. for your patronage big thank you to the. uh wonderful panel uh tonight you guys. were awesome it was a very Lively. conversation Destiny thank you so much. for uh coming all the way from uh. Florida much and well everyone else for. coming from all your respective uh. geographic regions. yeah you're Brian can I say something. real quick yeah guys if you guys liked. this stream throw a w in the chat and. also smash the like button to support. Brian please thank you guys thank you.

and uh I just want to see oh uh wait. what was your hot take you should do a. hot take oh yeah Mexican food is not. good. bro dude. okay have you ever been to a [ __ ]. Ikea she's literally Swedish okay I. barely have eatable edible food over. there okay okay I'll say. Swedish food sucks okay it's really bad. Ikea food's good though no it's not nice.

can you please go back to your trailer. no it's not that's a real hot take right. there liking Mexican food is just like a. cultural psyop to placate people on. demographic change that's right. absolutely absolutely the queso at. Chipotle. okay we're good all right we have two. soups we got two soup shots oh my gosh. oh my God. totally believe me you said red pills. say wives control 80 of the household. income but then say that women get. divorced for financial reasons maybe for. the ultra Ultra Rich no shot for the.

average marriage facts facts it's. Molina's Melina's problem for buying. toilet paper got it next you want to. read it yeah the fact that happiness. metric is segregated using socioeconomic. slash cultural numbers is BS for example. the happiness levels in in India are far. higher. far higher than happiness levels in the. USA the fact of the matter is that all. of these are intertwined which has to do. with Traditional Values that exist in. the culture based true based all right.

and then Savvy thank you for the uh what. currencies that's rupees that's Indian. rupees and uh Schaefer Meister 100. looking forward to it boys let's go. let's get you on with the invite's been. there. come on Jordan I'll text you let's let's. uh get it scheduled okay sweet and uh oh. I just wanted to say one other thing oh. my God MLD number one MLD number one MLB. number one.

um just really quick on everyone just to. thank thank you to everyone who uh. supported the show your patronage really.

does not go to the waste I try to. reinvest the money I make back into the. podcast we just bought a five thousand. dollar computer uh a thousand dollars. for a new audio mixer we got five new. microphones 400 a pop these sm7vs. um and I'm not like trying to ball out I. got one car I bought it 10 years ago. Toyota in 2013. I wear Costco sweatpants. five dollar t-shirts 20 flannels so I'm. not trying to ball out like I really do. try to like reinvest your patronage back. into the show and uh okay we have uh.

let's see oh uh any women who want to be. on the show you have to DM at BD. underscore Atlas because our whatever. Instagram thing is scuffed it's bugged. I'm trying to contact Instagram it's. nearly impossible. um anyways guys we will be live again. Sunday at 7 p.m Pacific we have Pearl. from just pearly things she's gonna be. Destiny's favorite Creator not just his. favorite uh we have we have a couple. cool uh other guests coming so be sure. to tune into that and then Tuesday we.

have another good show too so uh some. really good solid guests on the way so. yes Sunday 7 P.M Pacific is our next. show that's it for tonight guys thank. you guys once again so much for tuning. in have a good night oh Madison final. thought let's should we say it I already. said. my final oh you did yeah okay all right. I just want to say thank you for all the. support in the chat you guys I really. appreciate it. costs more than his clothes hello okay. um yeah we'll see you next time oops. Jesus Christ we'll see you next time. good night guys.

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