Infamous Reddit Crimes Ft. Angela Giarratana & Amanda Lehan-Canto || Two Hot Takes Podcast

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some true crime stories, crimes that. happened on the internet and then got. solved, things like that. And who better. than the true crime lovers themselves. >> Mrs. True and Mrs. Crime. Miss Crime. I'm Mrs. True and you're Miss Crime. >> I love this. >> Married, unmarried. [laughter]. >> I think they got that from me. >> Yeah. No, they got it. But I'll say it. again and it's for my com, not your. comfort. >> I like I want to I want to like insert. myself though. I'm like how do we make. that a trio and like a little a little.

manager? >> Wait, true crime. >> Okay. Ready? True crime stories. >> You're stories. >> You're ladies stories. [laughter]. >> Okay. >> Lady stories sounds like. >> ladies stories. >> They're all like female murderers. >> There we go. >> They could be. They could be. You know, we'll we'll see. stories shakes up. >> I'm really I've been putting this theme. off for quite some time. Um there's a. lot of stories you come across on Reddit.

that start as relationship stories or an. average post and then they start going a. little south. They get a little darker. They turn into crimes themselves. And I. think about past stories we've covered, whether it be the slug smoothie guy who. was putting slugs in his girlfriend's. smoothies, that's a crime. That is a. crime. A total crime. >> There's so so many stories that that. start this way or end this way. >> Reddit has also solved a lot of cold.

cases, one of which we'll talk about. today. So, we are getting into all. things crimes from Reddit and just it's. going to be a doozy. >> Solving cold cases. >> I mean, it does make sense. It feels. like even that's like one of the. benefits. >> Is that also on like your bucket list to. >> solve a cold case? It's on mine. Like, I. desperately want to be like, you know. what? I have four years to spare. I'm. gonna dive deep into this cold case. >> I feel like the three of us could I. think we we could definitely highlight.

some cold cases at the very least. Get. the other internet slleuth rounded up. and work in a way. I think we could we. could really make a difference. But. >> excited to share these these crimes with. you today. >> Excited. >> I'm so excited. Thank you for having us. >> Thank you for having us. [laughter]. >> Thank you for having us. >> Um, thank you for being here. You truly. I just feel just rejuvenated having you. two in this room with me. >> You guys saying that you're the best. breath of fresh air. >> Oh, >> we love you. We try. Look at us. I. thought you were going to grab my hair.

>> I wasn't. There was a hair on your. blanket. I would never touch you. >> I would never touch you. You're. >> Oh, that's so interesting. I thought we. were a camaraderie. >> Thought it was a moment there. >> That's why I'm over here and you're over. there. [clears throat]. >> That's fine. >> Let's [snorts] dive in. >> [music]. [music]. >> Heat. Heat.

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Sorry, you. >> No, he did. He did. >> I just like want to call it out cuz I. know it's going to be. >> Yeah, of course. >> First time Redditor here and I have. never been one to post things on the. internet, but I'm genuinely so confused. and I need to figure this out for the. sake of my own sanity. For a little. background, I, 26-year-old female, have. recently gotten into sourdough bread. making. And after some of my co-workers. bought baguettes from me, my hobby. became a successful side hustle. I get. around 20 to 35 orders a day. Around 2.

weeks ago, I baked exactly 50 baguettes, which I know because each baguette. form/tay makes 10 baguettes. And I baked. five forms, so 50. When all of the. baguettes were done, I went to bed and. left them cool off on the counter. When. I woke up, I immediately went to package. the cooled baguettes and I came up two. baguettes short. So, I recounted, yeah, only 48 baguettes. Because I always bake.

a few extra baguettes for myself and to. give to friends, this wasn't a problem. But I was still confused as to what. happened a few days later when the same. thing happened again, except I came up. four baguettes short. The very next day, I took extra care to. count out the baguettes. Exactly 30. After they baked, I lined them up three. equal rows of 10, so 30. I went to bed,

and the next morning, each row only had. nine, so 27 baguettes. This confirmed. that the baguettes were in fact going. missing. [sighs]. Honestly, I have no clue how they could. be disappearing. I don't have any pets. that could eat the bread, no roommates. or a partner to steal it, and no one. other than myself has a key to my. apartment. I highly doubt that anyone. would be able to break in through my. front door without me noticing. And. while I do have a balcony, I'm on the.

fourth floor, so I doubt anyone would. scale the building. >> Aladdin would. >> Yeah, he would. >> I do have neighbors that I suppose could. access my balcony from theirs, but each. balcony has about an 8ft gap. The door. to my balcony does not lock, so if. someone could get to my balcony, they. would easily access the bread. The fact. that anyone would ever break into a. house to steal bread is so weird and. unbelievable. I'm not a sleepwalker, to. my knowledge. I am not schizophrenic,

and I am not on any medications, nor do. I need to be. All of the reasonable. answers to this mystery are so unlikely. and frankly silly. I ordered a small. hidden camera to see if the baguettes. are truly being stolen. It should arrive. tomorrow. >> I'm pretty sure I'm of sound mind. So, if this happens again, I will really. start to get scared. At this point, I. really just need the Reddit community to. help me solve this. I would greatly. appreciate any of your theories, and. we'll hopefully update in a few days.

about the situation. Whoa, Reddit. theories. Well, we have our theory that's pretty. strong, >> Aladdin. >> Yeah. Yes. Or big. strong rat. >> Rat. >> I Okay, that's what I was about to say. Biggest legs. Arms. >> I had a thought that it I don't know. Is. she in New York? I don't know. Cuz rats. are the size of human beings. >> They're big. >> So like I was thinking possibly a rat, but like it goes two and then four and. it feels like it's adding up cuz he's.

slowly telling a new friend each time. >> So multiple rats are coming in. >> He's going, "We brought you in. Tonight. we go." And the guy goes, "All right, here you go.". >> No, it's what's going. >> I mean, as someone that had a rat sneak. into their house via an unscrewed drain. cap under my sink, >> you will know very quickly if there's a. rat in your house. >> Okay. Okay. >> Like, I set up a doughnut trap and there. was [ __ ] all around the area. Like, they. [ __ ] they poop everywhere. >> I found rats because I had a pumpkin and. I kept going, "Who's chewing the.

pumpkin?" Stop. I kept asking my. roommates. I was like, "Is somebody. taking little bites of this freaking. pumpkin?" Oh, it's a rat. >> Was it in your house? Pumpkin in your. house or on your porch? >> It was like It was like my post college. apartment. There's four of us. And it. was like up on our pantry. We kept being. like, "Hey, someone keeps biting the. [laughter]. >> or Okay, so the door is not locked by. her balcony." 8 foot gap. That sounds a. little weird. >> That's maybe someone is getting through. her balcony. >> Isn't it concerning the door doesn't. lock? >> That is concerning. >> Yeah. Like even though you're on the.

fourth floor, like I'd be like, "Hey, landlord, let's. huge. >> That's that's big." But what if there's. like scaling down via rope? >> Who? How would they know that the the. bread is ready? >> Can I tell you something crazy, too? I. would put my laptop next to it and be. like, "Is this a human or a rat?". >> What do you mean? >> What the f do you [laughter] mean? >> Human. >> What the [ __ ] do you mean human? >> You put a laptop next to. >> I would be like, "Okay.". >> Like recording? >> No. No. I would put like jewelry or. something and I'd be like, >> "Oh, something more. This is a critter.

or a human." Oh, you put your laptop. next to bread and see which one they. steal. >> The camera's better. But I think if the. laptop stays, you go, obviously it's an. animal. I I can't handle this. >> You'd have to put like a ring or. something there. Like. >> your diamond ring is just there next to. the baguette. >> As someone that's gotten their house. broken into, they don't take the. technology anymore. >> Oh, because of Apple ID. >> They take gold. >> They take gold. >> So they can melt it down. >> Designer bags they'll go for. >> So your theory like literally doesn't.

work. Oh, for sure. For sure. >> No, I I do appreciate it. >> She'll cut that part out. [laughter]. >> My My mind went to potentially carbon. monoxide. >> What are you saying? >> Full loaves of bread. >> Do you Have you heard the Reddit story. about the guy who was like, "I think. someone's leaving me strange post-it. notes in my apartment." He goes, "I. think my landlord might be breaking in. and leaving me notes.". >> He had a carbon monoxide leak and he was. writing the notes to himself and he he. didn't remember because the leak was so. bad. >> No, no, no. Wait, I thought you died.

immediately with a leak. It He's very. lucky to be alive. >> So, she's going out. She's got carbon. dioxide in in her sweet little brain and. she's having girl dinner every night. with a big bag of Wait, she would know. because honey, she'd be bloated every. day. Hey, depends on how good the bread. is. >> Maybe she doesn't have a gluten allergy. >> there. Who are those angels? >> Or maybe she's already bloated. Who are. those goddamn angels out there? >> She's in her ludal phase. It's hard to. tell. >> Can I Can I say one thing, though? It's. amazing that her hobby now turns into. she she's baking 50 a day.

>> Yeah, >> I like the growth. >> Honestly, I would love to know what. sourdough starter she's using because. that starter is productive. >> You can make you can make your own. I've. made one. >> I'm going to buy a new one on Facebook. Marketplace. That's my goal in the next. week or two here. >> The second you can make one from. scratch. >> The second you started reading the. story, I went. >> Amanda's gonna talk about how much she. loves to make bread. [laughter]. >> You know what sucks is when someone. knows you so well and then you're on a. podcast with them. Know what I mean? You. can't get away. You can't be cool. She. loves makeup. I love bread. >> She loves bread.

>> I got a KitchenAid. >> Tell her what you have. I got. >> Angela got me one. >> I didn't. I did not. >> Those are so expensive. >> You literally got me one with the rest. of the cast. >> The whole smash cast. [laughter]. >> Oh, that's so nice. >> That was Courtney Miller and I vemoed. >> Yeah. >> That was so sweet. We could have um a. bread off like they do on Great British. Bake Off. We can make our own bread week. and I love We can have Angela blind. taste test and see whose is better. Oh, that would be so fun. >> Be kind. >> We could we could bake some baguettes. >> I'm down. >> That's fun. >> You know what else I like to bake? Like.

sweet bread. >> She didn't ask. >> But she wanted to know. I saw her face. >> Um all breads. I don't discriminate. But. pande muerto. >> bread. Dead bread. Bread of the dead. >> that they make for Dio loss. Haven't had. it. >> Oh, so good. It's like And you you can. change it up a little bit. Add some. cinnamon and. >> Mhm. >> Yum yum yum. Mhm. >> Lemon poppy seed bread. Okay, we're done. because we're done. Um, all right. Let's. figure out. >> How was my gut? >> I think a Disney character.

>> and I think a massive rat family. >> Okay. Comments. Everyone's invested. Immediately from the jump, >> I'm invested in this mystery. immediately. When does the camera arrive. tomorrow? OP responds, "The camera is to. arrive at around 400 p.m. So hopefully. I'll be able to get it set up to video. overnight." Someone says in another. timeline you want to know how baguettes. are appearing. >> Does that make sense? >> Yeah. If it's a time issue. >> in another timeline you just like want. to look. >> like an interstellar or something. >> It's like the baggage are blipping out.

and like ending up in another timeline. wherever she's like where are these. baggots? >> Can I say something now that you just. said that real quick? Another quick. theory. >> Yeah. >> I hate to say it but maybe a frogger. Do. you know what I mean by frog? >> A jumper. >> Liked a frogger. >> Hayden Christensen. A squatter. >> A squatter. >> Like a squatter. Aren't they called. froggers? >> I don't know. I think that sounds that. sounds right. They're called It's It's. one of my biggest fears is somebody goes. in your house and hides in your house. and lives with you at the same time.

>> Frogging. T H R O G G I N Your. It is pronounced frogging. Like the frog. ribbit ribbit. A person secretly living. in someone else's house without their. knowledge. Mm-m. It gives me It makes me. want to throw up and and I hate to say. it, but it's possible. >> Yeah. A lot of people do comment about. mental health. They quote OP, "I'm not. schizophrenic." And they go, "Correction, you weren't schizophrenic.". And OP says, "I have an appointment with.

my psychiatrist on Sunday. Not. specifically for this, for my anxiety. and trauma. I'll bring it up to be. safe.". >> So OP is like OP's really investigating. everything. >> the things you need to do. So you guys, we get an update. >> Thank god. If you were about to move on. from the story, I'd walk out. >> Just kidding. >> That's where we left us. We just have to. imagine, you know, the next thing. >> First update, I have no idea if this is. the right way to update, so please feel. free to correct me if I'm wrong. I want. to thank all of you that offered advice.

and theories. I checked my carbon. monoxide detector and it was fine. I. don't use weed or even alcohol. I don't. wake up full, so I really don't think I. am the bread thief. >> Okay. also doesn't party. [laughter]. >> As for my landlord, I believe she would. never do something like this. She's a. very sweet middle-aged lady and has. never given me a reason to believe that. she would go into the apartment without. my knowledge. At this time, I am afraid. that it is likely a human thief.

>> I [ __ ] knew it. >> Because of how neatly the baguettes. disappeared. >> Oh, I've taken some precautions by. barricading the front door. the balcony. and my bedroom door. Honestly, I don't. feel unsafe because I highly doubt a. bread thief would try to kill me. Lol. Because of my baking schedule, I did not. bake today, but I set out 15 cookies on. a plate to see if any disappear. Santa, they are oatmeal chocolate chip homemade. Santa. >> The camera should arrive at around 400. p.m. tomorrow. I will also be baking.

tomorrow, and I will be able to set up. and video. I ordered a lock for my. balcony, but that won't arrive until. next week. I've not contacted the police. yet. I don't really have much evidence. and nothing else has gone missing. Wish. me luck. I'll update tomorrow morning. and let you know if the cookies were. taken. >> Oh my god. Can you imagine? It's just. Santa on a camera. >> And he's like, I need bread throughout. the week. >> He's like, it's exhausting to make so. many toys. >> That's Santa. >> That's Santa. >> Okay, update number two. I woke up this. morning safe. Thank goodness. When I.

took down the barricade for my room and. went to the kitchen, I checked to see if. any of the cookies had gone missing. All. 15 were still there. The balcony and. front door barricades were both intact. This could mean a few things. One, rats. don't like oatmeal chocolate chip. cookies. Two, the barricades stopped an. intruder. Or three, the thief knows my. baking schedule. Every other day breaks. in, and because I'm baking today, will. smell the bread and try to steal bread. again. I fear the third option is most.

likely. For now, I'll have to wait until. the camera arrives. I'll update soon. >> She needs to unbarricate her doors and. bake her bread and catch them on camera. >> Yeah. >> Update three. >> I love this. >> The thief has been revealed. [gasps]. >> At around 1:00 a.m. in the morning, the. cameras picked up some movement. When I. looked at the live footage on the. counter. >> live, >> all caps, there was a man.

Worst case scenario. I [ __ ] knew it. Oh my god, my body. hurts. >> So, >> a a fully grown man. >> A man. A man. >> Aladdin. >> A man. >> Wait. Oh, frogging. >> Frogging. >> Frogging. >> In the house. >> We don't know if you live there. Let me. stop. Stop. Stop. Let's find out. Stop. Stop. >> So, I called the police and I stayed in. my room. While they were on the way, I.

was watching the man steal two. baguettes. I wasn't crazy. And then it. clocked to me how he got in. All caps. The huge vent on my ceiling. >> That's where you're smelling the. >> I am [ __ ] dead. I'm scared. This is a. big fear of mine. Well, it happens. >> For context, the. >> I'm never baking again. [laughter]. >> [ __ ] bread. For context, the vent is.

almost directly above the refrigerator. He has been climbing out of the vent. onto the refrigerator, then the counter, and lastly, the floor. >> Oh my god. >> This was confirmed by watching him. disappear. >> Oh my god. >> The police arrived maybe 2 minutes. later, and when I explained what was. going on, they went into the vent after. him. >> Oh my god. Get up there. Get up there. >> I'm dying. >> He was arrested for breaking in. And. >> you want some more bread. Little pig. [laughter]. >> Sorry. >> Hey, pig. He knock. >> Hey, little piggy. And I was asked to go.

down to give a statement. This took a. really long time. So, sorry I couldn't. update sooner as to who this man is. He. is one of my neighbors. [gasps]. Because this is now a legal thing, I. don't think I should say much. But what. I will say is that I never would have. expected this from him. I didn't know. him well at all, but he seemed nice. enough. The thing is that I still can't. figure out his motivation. Like, I know. the baguettes are good, but how do you. figure out the vents and go on to break.

in and steal baguettes? Obviously, I. notified my land lady and she was very. understanding that I will be leaving. The officer said that I will be able to. go and get my things later today since I. don't have anything else to do today. I'm going to see my psychiatrist and. then stay at my friend's house until I. can find a new apartment. Thank you so. much for your support, ideas, and funny. comments. I'm giving you all. metaphorical baguettes. Why is she so chill? I love her. She's. She She's so Wait. Okay, so her neighbor.

like smelled the fresh bread and went, "I need to get some. I'm going to figure. out the ventilation system.". >> Why didn't he just knock on her door? >> Men will do anything. >> Hey, can I buy a baguette? >> Literally, they will do anything but ask. a damn question. Even if my neighbor was. like, "Hey, I can't really afford to, you know, pay you for it, but do you. think I could have a baguette?" I'd be. like, "Sure.". >> Yeah. No. Here you go. >> Even an anonymous letter would be better.

than trespassing. >> Hey, that bread smells so nice. Could. you leave me some? >> What if she like came out for water in. the middle of the night? >> She would have found him. >> I can't believe this out via bread. >> Bread? >> Via? >> He definitely must have smelled it. He. definitely smelled it. >> Yeah. Like, what is he? Like what kind. of animal? So it was is his name. Aladdin. [laughter]. >> No mention of neighbors name. We do get. a recipe though. OP shares their.

baguette recipe. >> Wa that's brave. >> It's really nice of her. >> I never use that recipe cuz obviously. it's too good. >> It's too good and men are just going to. climb through your event and steal your. bread. >> I'm going to try it. I was going to make. it for us today but my sourdough starter. died a couple weeks ago. >> Sourdough starter is so hard. Can I give. you a little tip? King Arthur. She. didn't say yet. >> Yes, she did. And you know what? I can. see in her face. She really wants to. >> That's the only flour I use. >> King. Okay. >> I feed it once a week. Keep it in the. fridge. I forgot about it. >> It's okay. Get their baking school book.

>> Oh, >> it's the best. And it gives you a full. breakdown on sourdough starter. And. Angela, if you want this book, good. luck. I don't think they'll sell it to. you cuz you're a nasty [ __ ] [laughter]. They don't sell those books to demons. Okay. [laughter] Anyways, [gasps]. >> they don't we don't sell books to. demons. [laughter]. >> To bread-hating demons. >> I'll share the recipe with you, Amanda, if you want it. You know, 370 g. >> Your husbands can guard the door.

>> Yeah, >> I would love the recipe. >> Yeah, you'll you'll just get the the. fruit of our labor. >> Yeah, exactly. >> We'll share. >> This is terrifying. Really really scary. story. >> It's crazy. We do get one last update. >> Oh, >> but you go on first. >> Just really fast. I want to say it's. crazy. He did something so illegal and. didn't get an illegal reward. Does that. make sense? Like you're not like. stealing like big cash money. Yeah. >> You're you're doing something so against. the law for bread. >> Yeah. He's breaking and entering. It's.

terrible. >> Like a total I think of what like two. four three baguettes. >> Just pay. How much is she even charging? A baguette should be like five bucks. Not even maybe 10. I mean like even if. it is on the upper end. >> that is 30 bucks. That is a lot. So, last update. I'm doing well today. It. hit me that all of this happened when I. went to my psychiatrist yesterday. She. helped me process this as much as. possible. Also, apparently the thief is. not able to pay his bail, so he will. stay in jail until the court hearing, which makes me feel a lot safer. I'll.

try to update as soon as we get a. verdict. >> Yeah, >> no update yet. This is coming from this. year, just a couple months ago now. So, hoping we'll get an update soon. OP is. still active on Reddit posting in other. subs, not addressing this anymore. So, I. think there's hope we'll get a final. final update on it. >> Oh, man. >> He's really missing those baguettes. right now. >> Like, now I'm looking at all the vents. >> I don't even think to check vents. because.

>> they're screwed, too. >> Yeah. And it's also just like a thing in. movies. Like, I don't see people. actively. That's why. >> I think frogging has been a big thing. lately where someone was like, "My. friend heard something loud in her. attic, stuck her camera up there, and. look at the guy she found.". Yeah. Have you seen the picture of the. guy? >> No. Show me. >> Have you seen this? >> I I there. So, I watched a horror movie. about frogging. I didn't know. >> Was it the. >> the Helen Hunt one? >> No. What was the Korean one that went. really big? >> Parasite. >> Yeah. >> That movie is so good. Also, yes. So, I.

think Frogging is absolutely terrifying. The thought of someone living in your. house. >> This is the man. There was a full like. he had a bed and like baby closet up. there. >> Oh. Oh god, it's so scary. It's so. scary. >> A collared shirt hung up. >> Mhm. >> Can I be completely real? [laughter]. >> A fancy dinner. >> for what? >> That's his going out shirt. >> This was his face when she caught him. >> Like just terrifying. Like you're in.

your attic and you see that face like. >> I don't want an attic. Okay. I don't want an attic. I don't. want. >> I don't think anyone needs an attic. You. don't need No, you don't need to put. your Christmas stuff up there because up. there. >> That's so scary. This why big houses. scare the [ __ ] out of me. >> Why do you need all that space? It's. just more places for people to hide. >> You don't. Or a back house. Does every. Do you guys check your beds before. underneath your bed before you go to. bed? >> I just try to get there as fast as. possible. I do a little hop. [laughter]. >> I actually do, too.

>> I'm like I'm not even when I go to my. car at night, you know when you go to. your car at night, I'm like I kind of. like look under and then I just like hop. into the car. >> Yep. So, no one I should look under my. car. >> Do you think us listening to true crime. or or being so into true crime makes it. makes us more paranoid or makes us. prepared? [gasps]. >> I think that's a question a lot of us. ask ourselves. I'm not sure. >> I I do ask myself this like once a year. I will say it makes me more curious, more like aware of my alibis.

>> Yeah, do a poll on that. >> Like I love leaving my location on, texting my friends what I'm doing cuz if. I ever get framed for a murder, I've got. an alibi. I think about that all the. time. I go, "Oh, I have RSVP to this. party. Someone saw me, so they can't say. I did anything bad.". >> And there's so many people that are. wrongly convicted sitting in prisons. right now. Like, that's the scary part. >> It's very scary. >> There's a case I heard where this guy. was convicted for murder. He's on like. death row right now. He has a speeding. ticket in another state at the time of. the murder.

>> How does that make any sense? >> Well, we just need someone to get in. there. >> Speeding ticket, so you better keep your. location on. Yeah, [gasps] you better. get a speeding ticket. We should all be. getting tickets all the time cuz it. shows where we where we are. >> Let's get more parking tickets. Oh, well, parking tickets doesn't matter. >> Cuz you weren't with your vehicle. >> Yeah. >> Mhm. >> Yeah, cuz you could totally be killing. someone if you got a parking ticket. >> Of course, it would actually make sense. because your car in time. >> Everyone immediately more paranoid. >> after this. >> I think it makes us more paranoid.

>> We'll do a poll. We'll do a poll. I. think it depends also on your like. mental health of the month is kind of. how I feel. Like sometimes I feel like. with true crime it's like you have to be. an emotionally intelligent person to. make sure you're not infantilizing it. and using it for some weird. >> Yeah. >> It's like a heavy subject so you have to. you have to tread lightly. There are. months like we talked about this. There. were months before you had your baby. that we would talk about your crime all. the time. >> Yep. >> And then postpartum we don't really talk. about your crime too much. >> Not not as much. >> Not as much. We used to talk about it. like every day. >> You needed a little break.

>> It's funny. I needed a break because. >> when you have another when you have a. child it's just like your heart is. outside of your body so you feel like. you can't protect them as much. >> and well it's so new like right when. you're postpartum too like your anxiety. hormones everything I think it's it's a. >> it's always changing is your. relationship and I think yeah. >> yeah [sighs and gasps]. >> true crime is tough it's it's tough and. >> it's tough but I'm so fascinated in in. the way of like what humans do and and.

why and the reasons and Yeah. And. there's a lot of [ __ ] up [ __ ] in the. criminal justice system. >> Yep. >> And stories like that are so important. to tell. >> I know. I really want to cover the Nolan. Wells case and what his family is going. through right now trying to get justice. is. >> insane. It's insane. >> It's insane. And so, yeah, I do aspect. highlighting the, you know, >> inequality or, you know, the bungled.

system of it all where it's just like, >> yeah, >> it's also like a lot of stories of like. women being really resilient and I kind. of like those stories. So, yeah, kill. me. She still made bread. >> We won't kill you cuz we we do not want. to get arrested or a parking ticket. >> Yeah, my alibi is right here right now. >> This episode is brought to you by Ali. Supplement. Girlies, your routine just. got a serious upgrade. Ali Mochi Bites. are officially at Target. Their. firstofkind mochi supplements delivering.

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one. This is coming from Let's Not Meet. It's titled Florida Woman Crawled Out of. My Mirror to Rob Me. >> I'm sorry. What? >> The minute you hear Florida Woman, you. already know. >> Oh, I'm in. >> I'm scared. All right. >> I'm scared and spooked. This past. Monday, my co-workers and I returned to. our hotel room from a day of work out in. the field. Rebecca and I walked to our. rooms and as we stood outside of our. rooms, I opened mine and I saw someone.

in the bathroom. I said, "Hello." Nobody. answered. My first instinct was that it. was a cleaning lady in there for some. reason. And then I saw my bag with my. clothes in her hand. I said to my coworker, "There's a woman. in my room." Then I asked the woman, "What are you doing with my stuff? It. gets a little fuzzy here because I can't. remember everything I said and what she. said, but she kept mumbling about how. her key still worked, how it still.

worked, and that's how she got in." I. was in shock, and she was obviously very. flustered, having been caught mid. robbery. She dropped my bags and fumbled. around with her purse and a white. plastic bag. By this time, my coworker. was behind me watching all the insanity. unfold. This woman was scrambling and. walking towards the door. And I said, quote, "What's in the bag?" Thinking it. is probably my stuff. And so she said,

"No, no, it's just my things. It's just. my things. I'll show you." And so she. did. I looked and I didn't see anything. of mine. And so since I'm obviously in. shock at this time, I just let her. leave. >> Oh no. >> I went into my room and it's been. ransacked. I did a quick look around to. see if anything had been taken. All of. my electronics were still there. Then I. went into the bathroom and I saw my. underwear, my bikini, and my clothes. shoved into my own bags randomly. Even.

my passport was shoved in there. Then I. looked onto the counter and I saw that. she had gotten into my medication. I'm. not sure what was going through my head. at the moment other than I wanted it. back. So I ran out of the door to go. find her. I ran to the laundry room. downstairs and out to the sides of the. hotel and I didn't see her. I realized I. was never going to find her. So my. coworker and I went down to the lobby to. tell them what happened and then we. called the police. We went back to my. room to wait and I noticed that there is. a metal bat on my bed, a little larger.

than one of those novelty wooden bats. you can get at a baseball game. But. there's also a flashlight on the end. She must have left it behind in her. hurry. She also left behind a necklace. that must have fallen out of her bag. when she was scrambling with mine. I was. mostly freaking out at this point. because I thought she'd gotten away with. my medication that I need. The police. get there and took our statements and. looked around the room as well. One. thing that I noticed was that there were. bits of drywall in the sink. And I.

pointed that out to the cops, but none. of us really knew where it came from. We. started looking at the door and the. windows to see if she had pried her way. in somehow, but there was nothing. So, we all just kind of went with the idea. that she had a spare key or something, even though the hotel front desk was. adamant that there's no way that could. be true. The officer that came brought. two more officers as backup because they. thought the woman might still be in the. vicinity. But after our statements were. taken, there was nothing else they could. do, so they left. I sat down to finally.

make some calls to tell people. And as. I'm on the phone, I'm thinking about the. drywall in the sink, and it still didn't. make sense to me. >> Oh my god. >> So, I'm on the phone looking at the. drywall and the mirror on the wall right. above it. And then it hit me. I got my. coworker and I asked her to help me pull. at this mirror on the wall. And we took the mirror down and there's. a hole there just big enough for a. desperate person to squeeze through. >> I asked Brian and Rebecca if I should.

call the cops again to let them know. what I found. And my boss said there's. still two cop cars in the parking lot. So I went down there to tell them and. the female cop kind of rolled her eyes. but the young guy said I'll come check. it out. They both came back up, looked. in the hole, and found a pillow, blankets, cigarettes, clothes, toothbrushes. This woman had been living in the wall. behind my mirror for God knows how long. [gasps]. She had access to me and my room at all.

times. I know it might be hard to. picture. There was a crawl space about 2. ft wide in between the two rows of. rooms. >> Oh my god. One of the officers called. the original officer to come back and. take pictures of this. She explained to. him what's going on, and all I hear over. the radio is, "No [ __ ] way." He comes. back, takes pictures, and is just as. mind-b blown as the rest of us. Obviously, we packed immediately and. left. What's even crazier is she. probably had been there a long time. The.

last time we stayed at this hotel, I. would randomly smell cigarette smoke and. I assumed someone was smoking in their. bathroom and it was traveling through. the vents, but nope, it was a person. smoking just on the other side of my. mirror. She had access to other rooms, too. The holes in the walls were from a. renovation that the hotel hadn't. properly patched and had just covered. with mirrors. >> She could have been hanging out in. people's rooms when they were gone. She. the whole hotel.

>> Anyways, this was insane. And now I'm. taking a little time off and we do have. a picture of the room. >> Oh my god. Again, another frogging. scenario, guys. She's popping through. like Sweet Life of Zach and Cody. >> That's the hole she climbed through. The. mirror is on the ground in front of the. sink. That is the hole she was climbing. through. >> Oh, like it is. >> That's tiny. >> It's very It's pretty discreet. jumping. around. Wait, how is that how is that.

enjoyable to lay there and go, [sighs and gasps]. >> when is she gonna stop watching. Forensics Files so I can just get in. there? >> Why is that the hotel show? Always. >> Always Forensic Files. >> I mean, >> she's definitely like, how's she getting. out of the rooms to get food? >> How's she getting back in? >> How's she getting back in? That's a good. question. >> You got to like put the mirror somewhere. so you can like close it up. >> Yeah. How does she get in and move the. mirror back? >> I would almost wonder if like she waits. until she knows the person is going to.

be gone for the day and then leaves the. door like not fully shut and goes out, gets food, especially if there's like a. continental breakfast at this hotel. >> Yeah, she can go and stock up and get. the mirror back. That's her bat is like. her light and her. >> So when OP said though that the little. bat looked like a flashlight, my college. roommate had a big like it almost looked. like a police flashlight and there was a. taser at the end of it. You couldn't. tell it was a taser unless you zapped it.

and then you'd see like the. >> oh my god. >> the crank crackly. >> She's probably got like this thing that. she pops it like but it still doesn't. explain how she gets back in the hole. and puts the mirror back. >> I know. Especially without breaking it. >> You are marvelous. >> We are resilient. [laughter]. >> Especially without breaking it. >> Women are resilient. >> My god, >> she's just having a grand old time. Everyone's like, "Where do you live?". The hotel. Women break the glass. ceiling. >> Eloise at the Plaza. >> Break the wall. >> Get through the She comes out. She's got. heels and a dress on. She's like, "Where.

are we partying?". >> She's the girl in um what is it? It's a. Sandra Bulock movie. It doesn't matter. >> Miss Congeniality. You know the one. >> gravity. >> No, not Sandra Bulock. I Oh, I'm so. stupid. >> Oh, >> Julia Roberts. Oh, Pretty Woman. Yes, >> she's Pretty Woman. >> Yes. >> Okay, >> that's so interesting that I [laughter]. was connection and I love it. >> I talk about it more, >> you know. >> I wonder if the hotel. like has to do helping her.

>> Oh, >> or has to do like any type of like. >> No, they got to do a full sweep of the. walls now. >> But then like what do you do to all your. guests? Like you have. >> traumatize them. >> Yeah. Oh my god, it's going to be scary. >> Here's pre-re breakfast. >> We just need to check behind your mirror. real quick. >> So many Marriott points. We're so sorry. about a girl that lives in our walls. >> Yeah. And also like this girl has stayed. in that exact hotel room. >> again. >> Yeah, that is something a little. interesting. I um I stay at one hotel. quite a bit when I travel to New York.

for work and I I literally was just. talking to my mother-in-law cuz like she. stays there now when they're in town cuz. we just love it. Yeah. >> And I was like, "What are you put in a. room just?". >> You should leave each other little. notes. >> I was just going to say that. >> behind the mirror. >> Little love notes. >> Maybe carve a hole. >> Maybe carve a little. >> Oh my god. >> Put little gifts. That would be so cute. >> Do a little pen pal. >> What kind of gifts? >> That would be that would be something. I'm going to try it now. >> See how how deep they clean. >> just for the plot.

>> Wow. That's really cute. >> That is horrifying. >> Yeah, this this story is ter terrifying. >> with hotels. I mean, >> I was just in a hotel in Texas and I. I've I haven't been in a hotel in a. while that had the um the joining door. thing. >> Yeah. >> And you're like, "What's this closet?". And you're like, "Oh my god, it's. another door and they can come in." No, I've so I had an experience like that in. um. >> I was in Svang and. >> we stayed at this cute little hotel and. there was a a joining door and for some. reason I was like I'm just going to like.

unlock it and make sure like the other. side is closed and. >> like we weren't even being noisy. We. hadn't been there all night. We were. just getting back from dinner and all of. a sudden I hear like banging on the. other side and like shut the [ __ ] up. And I don't like I'm like trying to. recall exactly how it went down. But I. remember like checking the deadbolt, but. it's one of those that you couldn't. really tell if it was locked or not. >> And so I open it and as soon as I open. it, I felt a push from the other side of. the door. I was so so scared. Got it.

shut, locked it, immediately got a new. hotel. Like I was like, I'm done. No. >> I don't like those adjoining like I. >> I can't stay anymore. >> How old I feel. >> They're for like families when you're. traveling with like, you know, a bunch. of kids. I had one with Tommy in. Montreal. >> and we had one. >> and Tommy go knock ready for breakfast. [laughter]. >> Yeah, we had one at VidCon and that's. fine and fun, but if you don't know the. other person, >> know the person on the other side of. your door. >> I just feel like at this point they. should limit the amount of adjoining.

rooms there are and then you ask for. like showers like make family rooms like. a little bunk bed or something cool. >> Yeah, just make bigger rooms for. families. >> Yeah, make them affordable. Thanks, hotels. There we go. >> Stop letting people live behind your. mirrors. Okay guys, we are getting a bit more. serious here now. >> Okay, >> this is where we really clock into the. the true crime of it all. >> Okay, no more Aladdin. >> No, he's gone. >> This is coming from r/confessions.

There is a trigger warning we have for. mentions of an abusive relationship. So, please just listen with care or skip if. you can't handle that today. This is. titled I stalked my wife for three years. before we started dating. Oh my god. [sighs]. I'm a paramedic and I was on a case for. a young woman that was beaten nearly to. death by her husband with golf clubs. She was hurt pretty bad and incidents. like this were common for them. This.

just happened to be one of their worst. fights. I end up being called to their. home a few more times before their. marriage ended. After these incidents, I. would find myself circling their. neighborhood on my own time, listening. for fights, making sure that he wasn't. dragging her out in a body bag. If I saw. them leave the house together, I would. follow them places like the grocery. store, the movies, restaurants. I found. out that she was attending a local. university, and I'd accidentally bump. into her and check in to see how she was.

doing. Honestly, I just started to. appear in her life in random places. This went on for 2 years. Then her. husband passed away unexpectedly. But even though she was safe, I still. found myself driving on her street. daily. One day, I noticed her leaving. the house with her friends and I. followed them to a bar. It was nice to. see that she was healing and to hear her. laugh. The next week, I did the same. thing. >> It got to the point where for months I.

would make my friends go out with me to. the same bars that she would go to. About 2 months into this, I decided to. talk to her and try and get to know her. She was sweet, but her friends were. dismissive and wanted me to leave her. alone. Understandable. She had just. gotten out of a bad relationship. I. backed off, but I still watched over. her. She was safe, but she was. definitely struggling mentally, obviously scarred from her marriage. She. was partying almost every night, and it. was getting really concerning. For an. entire year, I really started to force.

myself into her life. I'd be at the same. bars as her, buying her drinks. I'd show. up at the same store as her and make. conversation. Instead of driving, I'd. start running in her neighborhood so I. could accidentally run into her. >> Oh boy. Okay. >> My theory was that she was a fragile. person and easily manipulated. My. mindset was that I should pray on this. vulnerable woman and manipulate her into. being with me instead of one of the. [ __ ] she was seeing at the time so. that I know she'd be safe.

Eventually, it worked and she gave me a. chance. Now, we're married. But I'm. starting to feel really shitty about our. circumstances and how she doesn't know. that I had basically stalked her life. for 3 years. I do think she's catching. on because every now and then I'll slip. up and acknowledge that I know something. that I shouldn't and I wouldn't know if. I hadn't been watching her every move. >> Oh my god. >> I had good intentions but can't help but. feel like I'm a bad guy for doing all of.

this. >> Um yes. million hours in that. >> a thousand% you are a bad dude. I'm. sorry. I'm taking one side of this. >> You're horrible. >> This is a very bad dude. Dude, you did. abuse in another way. There's a sentence. in there that's vile. Which one? And. everything was like kind of bad, but not. too bad, but no, it was bad. And then. something came out disgusting. And.

>> my mindset was that I should pray on. this vulnerable woman and manipulate her. into being with me instead of one of the. [ __ ] that she was seeing at the time. so that I'd know she'd be safe. >> Pray. Pray. Pray on her. >> All he saw was a broken, fragile woman. He did not see who she really was at. all. In fact, you are just as abusive as. as the other guy in a different sense. You're not seeing her as a woman. You're. seeing has her as a prey, fragile little. fawn that you can just control.

>> It's insane. >> This is terrible. >> This is like horrifying that the way. >> I I'm shocked this person has like any. type of conscious. >> like aware. It's crazy. He's typing this to be. honest. I. >> I think it's very weird that he's so. aware of this. >> Yeah, because. >> he literally says pray. >> He had like a prince charming like like. wannabe like POV at the top. >> Well, and paramedic helping people. I. you know I only discovered her because I. went to her house because of this abuse.

>> or like the part where he's like her. friends didn't like me and I thought. that was understandable so I stepped. away does feel like he just flips and. he's like so then I manipulated her and. I used her weakness for my benefit. I. feel like some people would be like a. that's so sweet he saved her. You know. what I mean? Like I feel like I'd. probably come across this as a movie and. be like what? >> I know. I will say so the Reddit account. is 9 months old. This post is only a. month old. And there's not an extensive post. history to be like, "Oh, this person. was, you know, karma farming on Reddit.".

And honestly, a post like this would do. the opposite of karma farming. Like, you're going to get downvoted into. smitherines by posting this because. people are going to be like, "This is. deranged, really bad, abusive behavior. Internet, do your thing for good.". >> I mean, of course, she said yes. You. hunted her for 3 years. She probably was. like, "Maybe I guess the universe is. like bringing you to me." But no, he's. just forced his way in. >> It's fake. Your your relationship was. built on the context of you stalking and.

manipulating her. >> You're a wolf. >> I see I see you being an EMT and being. like, "Wow, that was awful." And like. going around to like check in on her and. be like, "Hey, I'm just checking in, making sure everything's okay." Also, what. >> as a friend, >> what bothers me is the way he describes. her. >> Describing her with things like weak. Like just because you're in a terrible. circumstance, >> you're not weak. >> That doesn't make her her circumstance. Does that make sense? Like she. >> she isn't weak because she was in. domestic abuse. >> No. And and so praying on her for that.

is disgusting. >> It's it's terrible to to do that because. it is very very difficult to get out of. a domestic uh abusive relationship. Very. difficult. women who are in it are not. weak. They're not victims to be prayed. upon to. >> like I understand the sentiment of him. like start I think it what happens here. I'm trying I'm trying to figure this out. but I think it started with him being. like I want to take care of this person. >> which is like a romanticized. role like we see it in so many there was.

like a new movie I just saw on the. [clears throat] plane recently where a. guy was just like helping this woman who. was so in a bad spot from another man. and it was like she was just so fragile. and they couldn't help make out against. the door. >> and they're just so romanticized in. their own head and then all of a sudden. the way he's talking he can't even tell. that he's like a full. >> pre you've become what you hated. Yes. Yeah. >> I know a lot of the comments are just. like, "Bro, what the [ __ ] He. manipulated a domestic abuse survivor.

into marrying him. The things we do for. love. That marriage is sure to stick to. the landing. Hope another guardian angel. is watching out for her, especially. should cracks form. I figure you'll stop. being the good kind of stalker when she. decides to leave you. >> There you go. I mean, this honestly, tell me if I'm getting too big here. >> It's kind of reminding me of like like. no matter how much attention you give to. somebody and how much care you have for. them, it could still be the wrong. intention. Does that make sense? Yes. >> Like, you know, like um like the Gypsy.

Rose Mom where it's like, oh, like like. I care so much about you that now I'm. going to cross boundaries. Munchousen by. proxy is a very interesting. >> yes where you're like oh it comes out of. love and it comes out of care but then. all of a sudden no matter what even if. you don't have. >> bad intentions what you're doing is like. so wrong. >> I mean there's the saying the road to. hell is paved with good intentions. >> There you go. >> And it's just I don't know. And. >> I think I just realized what that means. [laughter] about the same thing. >> I was like I've heard that a thousand.

times but now I'm like yeah that makes. sense. >> It sure fits. We do get an update from. him. >> Oh boy. Oh my god. I hope he comes. clean. I bet he was killed on the. internet. >> Edit. She knows now. Someone sent her. the post. [gasps]. >> So, how did someone know who she was? >> I mean, EMT husband, past, you know, history of domestic abuse, that husband. died, remarried. I mean, it's very.

specific story that, you know, if I knew. my friend, like the girls are on Reddit. these days. >> No, I'm so glad. So, the only people. looking out for her are friends. >> I know. I mean, they clearly caught a. vibe from the guy being like, "No, no, no. >> Okay. Okay. >> This is Could you imagine getting this. Reddit thread? >> Another [ __ ] round of trauma.". >> Yeah. Update. She had no idea until she. saw the post. She is understandably.

upset, but we're going to try and work. things out. I am a little worried she's. going to leave me, but if she wants to. leave, I understand. She is currently. out of work, so she will be staying here. no matter what for a little while. Update two, she left with the baby and. the dog. >> Baby, I don't know where she went, but. she's gone. Final update. She came back. Like I said, she is right where she. wants to be. We are going to work this. out amongst ourselves. >> Like you said, she's right where she.

wants to be. This guy is bad news, but. there is a baby involved now. And that. gets really, really complicated. I don't. fault her for going back. >> I mean, like you said, it is very, very. difficult for people to leave bad. relationships. I think on average, it. takes seven attempts. >> It is not easy. I get messages from. listeners all the time like that this. podcast has you know shown them that. their relationship. >> has some red flags or isn't the. healthiest and. >> you know they I've had stories shared.

with me where it was really difficult to. leave. >> but it's just yeah she has a baby. >> in the mix I I couldn't imagine being a. single mom. >> he said she's currently out of work so. we don't even know if there's financial. abuse now involved where it's like he's. the sole bread winner and what means. does she even have to leave because he's. keeping, you know, the purse strings. tight. >> I don't like what what did he say again? I already said. >> she's right where she wants to be. >> Yeah, it's what I said. She's right. where she want She didn't tell us that.

I don't believe. >> we haven't heard from her at all. >> Yeah. And hopefully, you know, she found. the post. Hopefully, this is just, you. know, her plan and it's unknown to him, but she's, you know, stashing money. away, creating a safe exit plan. Yeah. >> You know, and like sometimes the safest. exit plan is not saying anything and. just disappearing. >> The most dangerous time for a lot of. people in these relationships. >> is when they say they're going to leave. >> is when they say they're going to leave. or attempt to leave. And. >> Oh, yeah.

>> Made on Netflix. No. >> Margaret Qualie. >> No. >> So good. Made. >> Yes. And she kind. >> Yeah. And she kind of like slowly tries. to get out. It was It was such a great. It's really hard. And I do think that's. when it is most dangerous when you do. say you're going to leave. Cuz we listen. to a lot of true crime, the three of us. And. >> I feel like it always comes when family. members go, "She was about to leave. >> She was about to leave.". >> Yeah.

>> And it's just possession control. Like. some of these men just think women are. they own them, that they're objects. >> Or if I can't have you, no one can. And. it's just like. >> or this like good guy syndrome that I. think blinds them a little bit. >> Saving her. She can't be with anyone. else because I'm her savior. >> Yeah. When there's like really bad guys. I'm not one of those. I'm gonna like. non-stop take care of her and and never. give her privacy. >> Oh, I know. It's terrible. >> It's really It's really bad.

[sighs and gasps]. >> There is a quiz. I like to talk about. this quiz. It's on loveisrespect.org. and it's just a relationship quiz that. everyone should go take. no matter how. healthy you think your relationship is, >> you answer these questions and it it at. the end just kind of gives you like. information of like, yeah, you know, it's not the healthiest. And some of the. questions are like, does your partner. get mad if you want to go out with your. friends? Like it's very thoughtprovoking. that like you might not even realize. >> it's not healthy. It's normal for you, but you then take this quiz and it's.

like, oh, okay, I'm starting to see some. signs. It also has a lot of safeguards. in place. So if you go to the website, hit the escape key twice, it just. immediately goes back to Google and. doesn't show you were ever there. So it. is a really safe place to go and take. it. There's resources there if you need. them. >> Love is respect.org. >> That's amazing. I love that. >> If you feel that alarm bells are ringing. for you, please go and take that quiz. It will be linked in the show notes for.

this episode as well. >> That's awesome. and do what she did with. the I mean before it got they got. married is like having good friends. around you. >> that are good friends that will. challenge you too is like challenge you. and ask you questions and yeah not. scared to talk to you. >> keep your friends close like if you have. someone a partner or anyone that is like. you shouldn't talk to your friends you. shouldn't talk to your family they're. the problem. >> bad. >> that is. you shouldn't be in an abusive. relationship.

>> I feel for her. >> I do too. I hope we get a post from her. someday that is like, "Hey, if you saw. this post, that was about me.". >> She goes, "That play was about me.". >> People do see their post sometimes and. come out the other side and like, "Hey, blah blah blah blah." Like, >> it could happen. >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> And she knows it exists now. So, >> Reddit is wild. >> It really is. Okay, this next one, obviously heavy. This one is probably. the heaviest story I think I've come.

across on Reddit. It does need a trigger. warning for murder. This also does. contain mentions of suicide and suicidal. ideiation. It is a very heavy post that. then devolves into a crime and so please. just listen with care and if you can't. handle it, please skip to the last. story. It is that case that Reddit. Imjger helped solve a cold case. though. it is a more uplifting ending to this. this show. Okay, so this next post is.

coming from r/ relationship advice. It's. titled, "I'm 30 male, having a hard time. coping with my wife, 29, female, having. cheated on me with our neighbor, 51. male.". >> Okay. >> It has been 476 days since I confronted. her about it. How do I know? because. every time I catch myself thinking about. it, I tell myself, "It's only been x. days. Maybe you won't think about it. tomorrow." So, to go back to the.

beginning, I just taken on a new project. and new responsibilities at work. I was. working a lot of hours, 60 plus per. week, and was noticeably stressed. It. was in May of 2015 that I noticed that. she had added a password to her phone. When confronted about it, she told me it. was because she was planning my Father's. Day present and didn't want to ruin the. surprise. About a week later, she came. to me and told me that she felt guilty. keeping a big secret from me and told me. that she was having our neighbor, a. contractor, build a home office for me.

as my present. It struck me as odd as in. our 6 years together, she has never said. she felt guilty about anything and. always insists that she never regrets. anything in her life. Time goes on. Her. phone is still password protected, and. things don't feel right. I see her using. her phone and smiling to herself more. and more often. But when I ask her what. she is doing, she says nothing and puts. her phone away. So, one morning, I wait.

for her to get in the shower and I grab. her phone before it requires the. password. I go through her messages and. find that she is texting the neighbor. Quote, "I am all covered in frosting. You want to lick it off?". There were no other messages to the. neighbor, but I found out later that was. because she had set up her phone to. delete messages after a certain amount. of time. I felt uncomfortable with it, but I knew she had a perverted sense of. humor, and I thought she would never do. anything to hurt me. More time goes by, and the neighbor is spending more and.

more time at our house, but the office. is being completed slower and slower. I. can't help but worry that something. isn't right. So, I start checking her. location using Google timeline. It was. at this point that I realized there are. large gaps in her GPS history because. she was turning off her phone's GPS. Fast forward to July, and at this point, the paranoia is driving me nuts. So, I. tell her that I need to install a new. anti virus on her phone. While she has. it unlocked for me, I install anti-.

theft software so I can remotely turn. the GPS back on and set up AT&T message. backup and restore so I can read all of. her text messages from that point on my. computer. The next day, my mother asked. to spend time with my two kids, so my. wife drops them off with her and has the. day to herself. I watch my wife's. activity from work as she spends the day. trying to meet up with the neighbor, but. is unsuccessful because he is busy with. another job site. That night, we get the.

kids back from my mom's house, and we go. to dinner with the neighbor, his. girlfriend, and his son. My wife and his. girlfriend are having a good time. drinking, laughing, and just joking. around. His girlfriend mentions that she. would like to see Magic Mike XXL. I say, "It's a good idea. I'll watch the kids. so my wife and her can go." So, my wife. and her go and the neighbor and I go. back to my house so the kids can play. video games together. The kids are back. in my son's room playing games and the. neighbor is sitting across from me on. the other couch. It is at this point.

that my wife starts texting him. She is. describing sex acts that she would like. to perform with him and he is. reciprocating. She tells him to check. his Snapchat and at the same time I get. a Snapchat from her too and it is her. fingering herself in a bathroom stall. They keep talking, trying to figure out. when they can meet up and have sex. They. decide on Monday morning after I go to. work. So, in my head, I had already. planned to pretend to leave and circle. back to catch them. But then they tell.

each other that they love each other, and it is all I can do to not leap off. the couch and knock him out. But I. contain myself and continue reading the. conversation unfolding in front of me. >> Oh my god. Then he tells her, "You're my. girl now." To which she replies, "Always. have been," ending with him writing, "quote and always will be." My wife and. the neighbor's girlfriend return from. the movie, and I ask them politely to.

sit down. I then ask the kids to stay in. my son's room and shut the door. I. return to the living room, and I. confront my wife and the neighbor. I. say, "So, you two love each other, huh?". My wife goes into full-blown denial mode. and the neighbor's girlfriend starts. smacking him. I ask my wife if she has. been texting him. She says no. So, I. show her the text messages. She admits. to it, but says it was the first time it. had gone that far. I ask my wife if she.

has sent him pictures. She says no. So, I show her the picture. She admits it, but says it's the first time. M. >> I ask her if she is having sex with him. and she says no because I didn't wait to. catch them having sex together. I didn't. have evidence to prove her wrong. So. that one stayed unresolved. I tell her. that I'm leaving her. She tells me that. she will make sure I never see my kids. again if I do. She planned on using the. fact that I had attempted to harm myself.

in high school to prove me unfit to have. children. She continues to say that it. was my fault for being so busy with work. and stressed out and that she just. wanted someone she could talk to. Then. she gives me an ultimatum to decide what. I'm going to do or she will decide for. me. The neighbor's girlfriend starts. defending the two of them, saying that. it couldn't have been serious if they. weren't having sex and that my wife and. I are too perfect together to let this. break us up. The neighbors go home and.

my wife and I argue for the rest of the. night about what we're going to do. We. go to bed separately, having not. resolved anything. We keep going back. and forth on the subject all weekend and. finally settle on when we were going to. separate temporarily while we figure out. what we want. I was going to stay in the. house and she was going to take the kids. and go to her mom's house. That Monday, I go to work and I get a text from her. in the middle of a meeting with my. bosses stating that she had explained. things to our kids, but that they were. upset and I need to explain it to them.

also. I get home from work and I find my. kids crying. She had told them that. mommy had to move out because dad was. mad at her. >> Oh. >> When my son wanted to stay with me, she. told him that he can't. My son put it. together that if mommy has to move out. because I'm mad at her, that he must. move out then because I must have been. mad at him too. My daughter was crying because my son. was. I don't think she was old enough to. even understand what was happening. It.

was at that moment I realized that she. was going to drag the kids through hell. if I left her. So, I swallowed my. feelings and I begged her to stay. Wow. She agreed and insisted that I apologize. to our neighbor since we were still. going to need to hang out with them. because our sons are good friends. I. hate it, but I do it anyway. We still. hang out with them from time to time. >> What? >> And they come to our various birthday. and holiday parties. >> God. But I do anything for my kids and I.

behave civil every time. Things die down. for a while. I still think about it. constantly. I worry how can I keep from. making her so unhappy that she cheats on. me again. Then almost a year from the. original incident around Father's Day. again she sent him pictures again. She. claims it was an accident that she meant. to send them to me instead. I don't. fully believe her but I move on anyways. Things have been quiet on that front for.

about 4 months now, but I still think. about it constantly. This is going to. sound stupid, but I feel like I have a. part of my brain that I can't shut off, that is always thinking. I used to use. that to solve programming problems, and. it made me very good at my job. But ever. since this incident, the only thing it. thinks about is her and him and if I did. the right thing. My job performance has suffered and I. feel like I haven't gotten sleep in. months. I'm afraid after this much time.

and the fact that I begged her back that. to say that I want a divorce now would. only make her more vindictive towards my. children and I. I just feel like I've. put myself so deep in a hole that I can. never get back out. I haven't really. talked to anyone about this. I didn't. want to talk to my mom about it because. I felt like she would treat my wife. differently and I didn't need the two. fighting any more than they already do. I tried talking to one friend about it, but his advice was to put my trust in. God, but that was not so much solace for.

me as I am an atheist. So, I have no. clue what to do with my feelings or how. to move on from this. And that is the end of his post on. relationship advice. Oh my god. >> Feels so. >> that is awful. >> And so he's telling this post obviously. no one has a crystal ball. >> Yeah. >> So everyone is giving their advice just. based on this. >> And it's like what what would our advice. have been? You don't deserve this. You.

should. >> move on. If if I'm putting myself back. in time like anyone listening to this. story would have been like you do not. deserve this. >> But I do. But I do understand why he. stays. >> Absolutely. >> I get why he stays now because of the. kids. I'm like, >> "Oh, he would rather have his kids there. with him than not have them be so upset. the way they reacted. This is terrible.". >> I know.

>> Yeah. So, I I imagine most of the. responses are saying, "You don't deserve. this. Leave her.". >> I mean, one of the top comments, "Smack. the [ __ ] out of that old man. Go to an. attorney. I hope you saved all of the. evidence." and talk about ways to get. custody of your kids. Your wife is a. [ __ ]. >> Wow. >> He should get a lawyer as soon as he has. all the information together. It's been. over a year now and the wife knows he. knows. He has no more hidden cards and. the element of surprise is gone. Unfortunately, Opie made the wrong.

decision and caved to her blackmailing. even though he had good reasons to do. it. Still wrong decision and given her. more power in this scenario. I think the. best thing he can do now is suck it up. and keep on keeping on. I mean, when I read these comments, [sighs and gasps]. >> granted, I know the outcome. >> Sure. >> I read these comments, I'm like, it felt. to me like people just dug into him. about like not necessarily just being. supportive like, "Hey, you don't deserve. this. You should leave." But almost like.

>> being mean and mad at him. >> Yeah. And I that's what's hard. relationship advice because it's like. you are you don't know someone's real. relationship. You don't know what people. are going through. >> Like you don't know. You don't know. everything. I do understand people. But. I I I can't stand when people they act. like they're fighting for you, but then. they're just being really mean and. shaming you. >> Yeah. I mean, there's a comment here. You have got to be absolutely kidding. me. You stayed. Exclamation question mark after that.

[ __ ] You stayed [ __ ] baffling. >> Wait, what do you mean? How is that. baffling? The children, the kids. >> No, I think I mean commenting has become. its own a separate type of communication. where it's like that's not how we speak. to each other. And I think like. especially. >> empathy. >> What I love about you, Morgan, is the. way you read. You just read so human. >> So like just hearing that, but like some. people don't have that. Like some people. when they read stuff or even when they. see stuff on the internet, they cannot.

personalize it. >> I think it feels. >> Yeah. And it's easy to like, oh, it. feels so detached. It's just a Reddit. post. But you have to remember, I think. we all now, like in today's times, we're. like, oh, it's got to be fake. It's got. to be fake. This is very clearly not. fake. So imagine anytime you're chiming. in in the comments and giving advice, >> who cares if you think it's fake? Imagine there is a real person on the. other side of this that needs. thoughtful, genuine, empathetic advice. rather than you just shaming them. >> It's actually kind of crazy. They used. to, this is what I'm going to say is.

insane, but so much of Shakespeare when. in theater school, they'd be like, "It's. meant to be read aloud. Do not read it. like by yourself. It's meant to be said. out loud." And I feel that way with a. lot of Reddit posts. Like I can imagine. being so judgmental in your own time, but then when you read it out loud and. you hear a human heart. And especially you reading it, it's like. just like soft and sweet. You guys are. gonna make me cry. >> No, but it's really true. Thank you. >> And like I can't imagine people's weird.

internet holes where they're like in. their little weird living room and. you're like just judging people and you. don't hear a a human voice. >> Yeah. >> But then also I would be like, "Oh, you. should I wouldn't be as crude as these. comments, but I would be like, "Oh, he. deserves better.". >> Yeah. >> So that's what's what's complicated. about this. >> That's where we would be at. I mean, based on the comments, it almost feels. like they ignored her behavior and any. involvement on her part. >> They just they went after him. >> Wow. That's really what he needs.

>> Like this guy. Oh, he needs you to wake. him up. That's in that. >> I'm here for relationship advice. I'm. being really vulnerable and opening up. now. >> Yeah. I mean, he opens the post. It has. been 476 days since I confronted her. about it. Like, this has haunted him. He's waking up every day. >> Yeah. another ex on his calendar like. another day. >> When you speak to that man that way, you. don't know him. Maybe his best friend. can maybe speak that way. Like you're. allowed to call me a [ __ ] all you want. cuz I love you. You are [laughter] too.

>> Yeah, but I don't mean it. But you know, but what I'm saying is like the way like. people are like, "You deserve so much. better, girl." And you don't even know. the girl. >> I wouldn't even speak to my sisters like. that. Like if my sisters ask me for. advice, which is like usually, you know, it's it's rare for sisters to ask for. advice. More they like need you to like. listen and hear and be there. But it's. like I would never speak to them like. that because. >> it's so layered and complicated. But. again, I know them. But that's what. that's what bothers me so much about the.

internet and commenting. It's just like. you actually could do more damage. >> Yeah. >> And you got to read it. You got like I'm. you got to make it. >> That's honestly a really good point you. make though. It's like these stories. should be read out loud. Like if you. >> before you pop off in the comments, like. >> read them out loud with yourself if. you're reading at home. Like. >> see what it really sounds like. >> So we do get an update. He says, "Instead of trying to fix something she. doesn't want to fix, she has refused. counseling several times in the past. before this even happened. I'm going to.

get myself and my kids out. I meet with. an attorney next week. Thank you. everyone for helping me see how far I. had my head up my ass. >> Okay. >> And then we get update number two which. comes almost a month later. And this is. where we get again very very dark. trigger warning for murder. I would like. to give a heartfelt and sincere thank. you for the advice and support I've. received here. No one could have. foreseen the tragedy that resulted from.

me filing for divorce. You guys perform. a wonderful service to those in need and. I hope you continue to do so in the. future. And then OP shares a link to a. news article. The article is titled. Montgomery County mother kills her two. young kids before stabbing herself in. the neck. Sheriff says. the article goes on to detail. the user's experience. The user's name. was Jason in hell. So, they detailed.

Jason's experience and they just share. that a Montgomery County mother admitted. to killing her two young children before. trying to kill herself. Dispatchers. received a 911 call around 4:30 a.m. Thursday morning from the mother, Brandy, who told the dispatcher she. killed her two children and stabbed. herself. Investigators say Tyler, 7, and. Charlie, three, were killed in their. bedroom. Brandy confessed to. investigators that she killed her. children in a quote matter-of-act tone.

of voice. The article goes on to say. that the sheriff says there's no history. of violence in the home. Neighbors never. saw any signs of trouble. The family. says that her husband asked for a. divorce this week. The father was. sleeping in the basement at the time of. this. And it just goes on to describe. that she was transported to a hospital. Has not been transported to jail yet. She did survive. >> She survived. >> She survived. >> She did survive. >> So obviously the community, like.

everyone in the rest of the article is. just in shock. Everyone else, he was in. the basement. [gasps]. >> So Oh no. >> He comes back. and does give another update eventually. >> on Reddit. >> Uh-huh. >> Wow. How I don't even know how he's of. sound mind to be on Reddit to go back to. Reddit. I think people were like I think. at that point really questioning like. did this cause the harm of course did. the Reddit post.

>> I mean he said no one could have. foreseen this he's not even blaming. anyone he's like you guys do a great. service giving advice on this subreddit. like do not blame yourselves. >> he it's crazy he said that before. putting the article. >> Mhm. And that's that was the post. Literally there was nothing after he. shared the article. Like that was his. post. And I mean I guess like what do. you like I'm surprised he even came. back. >> Yeah. >> Like I mean it's it's it's really just. >> unfathomable. Incomprehensible. I I. don't even know if I'm.

>> able to find the right world. >> Over. >> It's shattered. Forever changed. >> Yeah. Wow. That's So he comes back. What. does he say? >> Yeah. So obviously a lot of people are. commenting. I remember you, OP, very. well. My heartfelt sympathy on the loss. of your two beautiful children. You were. doing what you knew was right for the. sake of your children. Unfortunately, your effort was thwarted. But don't ever. start blaming yourself. Someone else did. this, which was an act of cowardice and. selfishness. So, sounding off in the. comments, you know, just so much.

support, so much grief with him. >> It's also like what that post said about. a little bit ago about no history of. violence. >> Yeah. Like. >> that's coming from the sheriff. >> I think we can't like because it's so. scary to be like, "Oh no, we shouldn't. have had him stand up for himself, right?" And it's important to be like. >> context matters, right? This is a one. ina million is what it feels like to me. Maybe I'm wrong, but like he had no like. no warning signs that she would do this. >> He had no he had no idea.

>> because one could hear this and be like, "Oh, so no one should ever leave cuz. anyone could do that, >> right?" Which is what I'm saying. That's. not the message because you hear this. and you go like. >> this is so a bizarre case because she. obviously wasn't in her right mind and. he had no idea. >> I wish Yeah. I wish we had more. information of like was it a. conversation? Was she giving signs that. day? Like was there any. >> Yeah. >> I don't know. I I don't know like where. she was at mentally.

>> So Jason does give a final update and. does I mean shed as much light as he. can, okay, on all of it. So, final. update. The first thing you may notice. is that this is being posted from a. different account. I deleted the Jason. and Hell account in a knee-jerk reaction. to seeing my Reddit posts in the news. I. guess the first question to answer is. how am I doing? And to that, I would say. I'm doing well. I have bad days, but I. would like to think that is to be. expected. It is just important that I or.

anyone going through something continue. to use the support of friends and family. as well as good coping skills to not let. myself be completely defeated on those. bad days. I won't lie, I struggled to. get back where I am. For some time, I. refused to sleep because of combination. of fear of what I would wake up to and. nightmares about that night. For a time, I used alcohol to sleep, but my family. loved me enough to take it from me. before it became a damaging and. permanent habit. I was hospitalized. because I did have thoughts of ending my.

life because I missed my children so. much. From that, I learned that you. should never be ashamed of your mental. health. And not seeking treatment will. only make it worse, not better. We have. all heard it. But if you or a loved one. is struggling, seek immediate. assistance. Your life is too important. to throw away in a moment of weakness. By putting off treatment, I only caused. everything else in my life to suffer. I. lost my job and became reclusive to my. house. But don't worry, I have been back. to work since December, and I've nearly.

regained my former position in salary, so I am good and require no assistance. The second question would be, how do I. feel about the sentencing? That is. something that is hard to answer because. no matter what the sentencing, nothing. will bring back my beloved children. Do. I think she should have gotten the death. penalty, which Indiana has? No, I do. not. She wanted to die, and after 9. years of giving her what she wanted when. she wanted it, I was not going to give. her another thing. Do I think the life.

sentence will have any appreciable. effect on her, I don't know. One thing. she has always stressed for the entire. time that I knew her was that she lived. her life without any regrets. Even after. I caught her cheating on me, she. continued to say that she had no. regrets. As for my ex-in-laws, they. continue to be a problem to this day. Shortly after everything happened, they. changed the locks on the home I was. renting from them with my property still. inside. After trying to civily negotiate.

the return of the property, it was. required that I involve law enforcement. This is an ongoing legal battle. A. member of the family accused me of. stealing property that I had purchased. from them prior to the death of my. children and threatened to take action. against me unless I paid double what I. had already paid them. I alerted the. authorities and as far as I know that is. resolved. They continue to make visiting. my children's grave difficult. During. the 1-year anniversary, they sat in. their truck and just watched me the. whole time I was visiting the grave.

Because of that, I don't visit the grave. as often as I would like to. [ __ ]. despicable. Like, we're not even done, but I'm sorry. Like, just. >> despicable. >> Yeah. >> If I can impart on you something I've. learned through all of this is that you. should always take the time to be with. the ones you love. It doesn't matter if. they are asking you to read the pokey. little puppy for the millionth time or. asking you to play Smash Bros. even. though you both know they will wipe the. floor with you every time. Just do it. because you never know what time will be.

the last. Always make sure they know how. much you love them. I had the fortune. that the last thing my children ever. heard me say was, "I love you. Good. night. I will see you in the morning.". [snorts]. It's so heartbreaking, [snorts]. devastating, >> and like what strength he has. Like I. can't even [gasps] imagine. And to have your in-laws create more.

hell for you. [snorts]. Despicable. >> Yeah. [sighs]. >> Why did they do that? I miss I literally. don't. >> It seems like literally to [snorts]. torture him. >> What did he literally. >> I don't understand. I don't understand. So like. >> are they file charges? >> I mean it wasn't even in his hands at. that point. >> That's what I'm saying is like what what. >> I don't know. I don't know. I mean, she.

ended up getting 120 years. Obviously, he didn't want the death penalty, and. I'm sure that was taken into. consideration. >> Yeah. >> Um, but I don't know. What he said was. really powerful when he said that. >> him saying, "I've given her what she. wanted for this many years.". >> Yeah. >> And if she wants to not live with her, what she did, I don't want [snorts] to. just do what she wants. >> No. I don't know how he's like on Reddit. writing. I mean, it's probably been some.

time. >> When he came back for the final update, it was 2 years later and clearly gone. through it. Lost his job, mental health. struggles, you know, suicidal ideiation. It's a lot. Now he's, you know, healing. You'll never be healed, but healing. And. >> I don't know. I think like having that. support from a community like Reddit. >> Yeah. >> Maybe this is cathartic for him because. look at what he's dealing with his. in-laws. Like yeah, he's got his family. and friends, but he's got his in-laws.

where he can't even go to the grave. sites. >> I don't I don't understand that. >> Yeah, that part's. >> Are they So I'm assuming that the. in-laws are blaming him for igniting all. of this. >> for him calling. I mean there are people. that are so sick in the head where they. especially if it's their daughter. >> their parents are get blind when their. kid is not well. >> like you never should have initiated a. divorce which no that's not how it. should have gone what you did. >> look what your daughter did this is on. her and. >> and they can.

>> solely her. >> I also think like we've talked a lot. about like the powers the negative. things of Reddit and the great things of. Reddit like when you are deeply hurt. >> to want to talk about it because you. know other people in some way. >> can hear what you're going through. >> and possibly maybe what you're going. through can give somebody some type of. hope. There's just something so powerful. about you just like want to tell the. story. >> Yeah. Commun community. >> and it's like a crazy.

>> It's how you process like everyone. processes differently. >> Absolutely. >> And it sounds like I mean from the start. before all this happened it sounds like. this is how he had to process. he had to. process with a bunch of people that he. didn't know. And there's like something. about I think there's a part of grief, it depends on like what's going on, but. like anytime I've gone through like the. deepest parts of my grief, there is. always a phase I get into where I can't. stop talking about them. >> Of course, >> and I go I have to tell everybody. >> I completely agree. >> But it is it's wild to have him come. back to this.

>> It's wild. >> And I think he kind of, you know, says. at the top, too, where he's like, I. deleted my original account out of a. knee-jerk reaction cuz I was seeing my. Reddit post on the news. like he started. this journey on Reddit not knowing this. horrible tragedy was about to unfold in. his life. And so it's like not to say. that Reddit was the catalyst. I don't I. don't think that's the case at all. And. I think he very clearly says I don't. >> hold you guys responsible like no one. could have foreseen this. Yeah, >> but I I think there is part of the. community and venting and the the.

therapy of it all where it's like this. is, you know, helpful for him in some. way, getting it getting it out there. And there is a message from a moderator. on the sub, too. We're using this post. to draw attention to two things. Jason. and Hell came to us seeking support. So, we encourage anyone who can offer him. support, especially local to him, to. reach out. Alternatively, there's a. GoFundMe page in memory of his children. The intent behind much of the tough love. advice in the original thread was. obvious to all of us reading the thread.

and upvoting comments as well as to. Jason himself. However, the tone used. for quite a number of comments was. unnecessarily harsh and may have failed. to consider the reality of the situation. as best as we could have known hindsight. is 2020. Ultimately, this speaks to the. fact that everyone participating here is. doing so with limited information and. should be open to the possibility that. there's more than meets the eye whenever. providing guidance and advice. Going. forward, all we ask is to please observe. tone when providing advice and realize.

the potential for complications which. might make any advice difficult to. follow. something which seems obvious to. any one of us is rarely ever obvious to. someone in the weeds of the relationship. themselves. That said, thank you for. supporting Jason Hell the way all of you. did, especially in following up after. his first update. Let's see if we can. extend that support further. >> God, this is so. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, this happened back in.

2016. So, the update that last one came 2018. So, he's been very removed since then. >> It is wild that we don't have enough. cases that we talk about where you're in. what you say, your tone on the internet. when you talk to other people about. their relationships, not just kids and. teenagers and cyber bullying, but it. also goes for adults. This didn't happen. because of the Reddit comments, but it. is just interesting to be like the. internet footprint of it all is just.

it's scary. I. >> It's a big conversation. And I think. that is now becoming apparent. But. >> I think just when you are online giving. advice, I mean as the moderator. reminded, think about the other, you. know, implications or context that you. might not know and just be kind. I think. there's a tone in which you can say. things that are received better or maybe. more constructive. I know this was really tough, but I'm. I'm just thinking a lot because I always. like get excited when there's an update.

>> and I'm like that's somebody's life. >> That's a good thing to say when you're. commenting. This is someone's life. Like. when you comment, think about saying. that to their face. >> And ultimately like what you said about. your DMs is more empowering than like I. don't think we like infantize true crime. and read this stuff because it's like oh. my god there's a crazy update. It's it's. more like when we talk about these. things, the amount of DMs you get and. the amount of people that are like, "Hey, I heard this. It made it made this. hard day bad or it made me realize that. my relationship isn't that great and I.

need to look." It's just it's layered. and it's not just infantilizing. And. it's. >> it's it's awareness and it's talking. about Yeah. But it's awareness and it's. talking about human beings and and. cycles and. >> it keeps it like present too in mind. >> And it's a good reminder for us. >> I'm sorry. Go on. I cut you off. >> No, that's it. It's just like I I think. it's good to talk about the cycles of. human relationships and what people say. and and how things matter. It's it's. it's important. And I I I will say like.

I go back to my thing where I'm like, how could he be back on Reddit? But now. I'm like, oh, like everyone needs a. community. And for him, Reddit is his. community. And it's just like be kind. Be kind and realize you're not getting. the whole story. And this guy's reaching. out for a reason. he needs help. >> And that's what I think anyone on. Reddit, if you're going to Reddit and. you're posting, I I hate when people are. jumping to like, I can't believe like. talking about average relationship. stories, not Jason, >> but that's kind of how it started. And.

you know, I'll have some guests that are. like, why would they go to Reddit? Why. would they talk to their friends? >> Reddit is sometimes the best place for. them. >> It's neutral. It's unbiased. they don't. have to share something embarrassing or. detrimental about someone or a. relationship in their life. >> This is probably going to be the most. constructive place for them. And so it's. like of course you'd go to Reddit and. thank God they did. >> Like in a lot of the stories like. >> thank god they did go to Reddit. Thank. god they had that support. And we're.

going to wrap it up on a positive note. because this next one, >> it brought a lot of closure for a family. thanks to the online community, thanks. to the internet, Imure, and Reddit, and. it has sparked its own subreddit now. that is helping solve cold cases. >> Our dream. >> Our dream. >> This is our dream. >> That's why I think I listen to true. crime. What it what it's really become. for me is to highlight cases that still. need resolutions and where maybe. someone's listening and it's in their. community and they can talk to family.

and friends. Do you remember this or. share? And it really is like trying to. bring closure and justice. >> Yep. And it's like that healing is like. there's so many versions of healing and. there's so many versions of how. resilient humans are. Yep. >> In the worst. >> cases. Yep. So, this is coming originally from. Imjer. I'm not sure if I'm pronouncing. that right. I am gu. It's titled, "Do. you recognize me? I've been without my. name for nearly 20 years.".

[sighs]. In June 1995, I was involved in a fatal. car accident in Emporia, Virginia. The. driver fell asleep at the wheel. He had. his ID on him, but I didn't, and his. family did not know who I am. For 20. years, no one has come forward to. identify me. I have adopted the identity. of the Grateful Dough. At the time of. the accident, I was wearing a Grateful. Dead t-shirt. >> Oh my god. >> I had two Grateful Dead ticket stubs for. the 24th and 25th of June shows at RFK.

Stadium in Washington DC in my pocket. I. had some money, a lighter, and two. necklaces with me. A note was found in. the vicinity of the accident addressed. to Jason. Medical examiners suggested I. might be between 16 and 25 years of age. Maybe we went to school together, lived. next door to one another, or maybe you. saw me around town. Maybe you know of a. missing person who fits my identity. Can. you help me finish my journey? >> Oh my god.

>> And they share pictures. They share. pictures of a tattoo. It's like a star. >> Wow. [sighs]. >> They share pictures of the Grateful Dead. t-shirt. >> Wow. images that investigators shared. when they were looking for answers back. in 1995. >> This post is coming from 2014. It's. almost 20 years later. This has been a. cold case for 20 years. >> Whoa. [sighs]. >> They share the note. Jason, sorry we had.

to go. See you around. Call me. >> No. No name after ticket. >> No name after call me. It says. something. It's hard to read. It's like Caroline T. and Caroline O. And then there's a. little like image of like a character. and says by. It's very spec. Like you're. thinking this could be Jason, but it was. found in the vicinity, not the pocket of. the person. So they don't even know if. that's his name or if it was his note. >> Weird.

>> Yeah. So then it goes on to add an edit. I'd like to apologize to anyone offended. by my use of first person. There's a lot. of questions regarding our dough. I'm. new to Imure and was unsure how long my. descriptions could be. Furthermore, I. have now only just learned how to edit. Frequently asked questions. One, Grateful Dough is deceased. Two, the. number was called from the note. >> Oh, >> it returned no results. Three, DNA. dental fingerprints returned no results. >> What?

>> Four, the main photo is not an actual. photo. It's a computer restoration. Five. missing persons throughout all of. America have been thoroughly researched. If you would like to see a list of the. MPs who have been excluded as possibly. being grateful D, please visit the name. US website. Okay, so the POV the first. person's confusing me. >> So So basically the person OP wrote it. as if they were uh Grateful Do. >> but Grateful Do is deceased. >> Grateful do is like I think people were.

calling it out for maybe being. >> Yeah. dead. Dead's the driver. No, the driver died, too. This is This. is a random. >> just somebody being like, "Hey, this is. a Was this Was this Grateful Dough in. another car?". >> I mean, it was kind of known as being. like this weird thing of like, "Okay, this guy was driving back from the. concert as well. There's another person. that's unidentified in the car with. tickets. Was this a random hitchhiker?". The person that was driving the vehicle. with Grateful Dough in it, they think. fell asleep at the wheel, hit a tree,

killed them both. >> Okay. Yeah. [clears throat]. >> Okay. So, the person who knows about. this true crime, it's imagine if you. were hooked onto a true crime story and. then you wrote it as the person who died. >> to post about it and just talk about it. Okay. Okay. >> They were trying to write it from the. first person, I think, just to. >> I kind of get it. >> Make it feel more like please help me. >> Yeah, I kind of get it. >> Help me find. >> I completely understand now. Thank you. >> Yes. So, this went pretty viral on. Imure. I will say you can get up votes. on Imure and there's a homepage and.

everything. It went viral. People saw. the post and then we get an update. >> Oh my god. >> Hey Mjurer, you may remember me. I. posted this photo the other day asking. for information that may lead to the. identification of Grateful Do, a young. man who was killed after a car accident. in Virginia in 1995. The Grateful Dough. has been unidentified for close to 20. years now. The response that this. initial post received was amazing. I. never ever ever expected to receive so. many views, up votes, or comments. And I.

cannot thank you all enough for asking. questions, sending support, and even the. negative comments. Regardless of the. type of comment, it was all exposure for. a case that should have been closed a. long time ago. After viewing this post, a wonderful user messaged me and stated. that he believed he knew the young man. in the photo. >> He told me that his name was Jason. He. was about 17 or 18 years of age in 1994. 95. The user went on to tell me that he. had lived with Jason and a few other. friends in Illinois in late 1994 to.

early 1995. In early 1995, Jason left. and the user had not heard from him. since. The user went on to tell me about. Jason. He worked at a local McDonald's. and he was a huge fan of the Grateful. Dead. He went on to tell me that he had. made contact with the other friends who. had lived with Jason. He even told me we. might be able to get a photo of him. Another friend of this user saw my. original post on Reddit and sent through. some photos. The user told me on a.

number of occasions that the center. computer restored image did not look too. much like the Jason he knew. The photos. on either side and the sketches provided. however do. I received them this morning. and after gaining permission I am. posting them here. You all deserved an. update. So here it is. Let me be very. clear here. Grateful do has not been. IDed. This is purely a lead. We are not. certain of his identity just yet. This. is just a lead. We are not certain if. this young man is our dough. Grateful.

dough has not been IDed. All caps, >> but they do share pictures of their. Jason. >> It looks just like him. >> in. >> It looks like You're right. It looks. like the other photos on this on the. other. >> on the side. And he's literally in what. looks to me like a bante. same kind of bante that they shared on. that. >> Oh, it looks. >> Please help identify me poster. >> Oh my god, this is so bizarre. >> Which makes me think like 20 years ago,

did they put out this picture? I don't. think they had the resources in the '90s. to put out pictures. Remember there was. like a big thing with true crime. It's. like in the '9s, uh, different states. across state lines never communicated. [clears throat] with each other. Remember like. >> I saw this somewhere. What was that? >> State lines, they never shared any. information. So these things are like. fax machines. >> Yeah. If you were a killer, you could go. to another state and they wouldn't have. you would they wouldn't get your picture. together. >> Yeah. >> It goes on to say like these pictures.

are from when he was living in Illinois. nearby to the campus of the University. of Illinois. However, it's possible that. Jason was not from Illinois. It's. believed that Jason was actually from. Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. He was a. young, free hippie surfer and he made a. lot of close friends in Illinois through. his warm and friendly personality. We're. not sure just yet of Jason's family and. we are trying to recall his surname or. any other information that can be passed. on to investigators because you also.

have to remember these are people seeing. this post go viral and they're like I. knew a Jason 20 years ago. >> and you're like what was his last name? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. There's pictures of the side by. side of that. Oh, the second one is the. sketch and the first like this is. >> this is wild. >> Yeah. Um, so here's the composite side. by side. This lead is obviously huge. Maybe one of the biggest that. investigators into this 20-year-old case.

have had. We're following it through. with relevant law enforcement agencies. as well as justice and missing persons, UID organizations. These photos have. already been posted to Web Sleuth. I. have asked there if they felt it was. important to repost the photos and they. believed it was. This case needs. closure. So, Imager, I ask this of you. Do you recognize this young man in these. photos? Have you ever seen him before? Was he your neighbor? Did he attend your. school? Did you meet him at a Grateful. Dead concert? There are three. possibilities. This Jason may already be.

deceased and may not have been our. Grateful Dough. This Jason may be alive. and well. And if this is the case, I. know three guys who would love to. reconnect with you. This Jason may be. our Grateful Dough. We may be able to. put a 20-year cold case to rest. If you. have any information at all, please. message me or comment. I repeat, though, Grateful Do has not been IDed. This is. purely a lead. We are investigating this. further and evolving relevant law. enforcement agencies.

>> Look at these. Look at these web. detectives. >> I know. >> Like, they're incredible. >> Mhm. >> It's like a marvel they ever solved cold. cases before the internet. >> No, I Reddit has solved. the model they ever cough case. >> I know it's it's actually incredible. Reddit has solved a few cold cases. Now, I will say Reddit has done some harm in. terms of helping solve crime, but like. >> this like this is unreal. >> as websites have like everyone has. theories and and sometimes it does it.

does do harm, but sometimes it's like. how amazing you didn't even know this. person and you want to fight for them. >> I know that's cool. >> And this inspired them to create the. Grateful Do subreddit. So now they start. sharing things on Reddit and I'll talk. about what that sub has become in a. minute. So update two. A woman comments. on the forum and she stated that she. recognized the man in the photos sublied. by Jason's roommate and friends. She. states that his name is Jason C and that. she is his mother.

>> Shut up. >> She states that he was from Myrtle. Beach, South Carolina. She states that. he has been missing for 20 years. So, it's looking like. >> it's lining up. >> Could you imagine someone maybe she. found this or someone sent it to her? Could you imagine it's your son who's. missing and then she that you get a. post. This is like. >> Yeah. I mean, if you look at all the. comments on IR, like the top one, my. boyfriend swears he hung around with. Jason in Myrtle Beach. He knows his.

family and is trying to remember to get. in touch. So, like I mean, just look. putting this out there. Everyone is. connected by like a couple degrees of. separation. I really think it's like. only three degrees of separation. I know. they say it's like six or seven. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Like I think we're all very connected. And so it's like this is getting put out. there and it's like his mom then sees. and comments, >> oh my god. That must be wild. This is crazy. >> Andy's been [clears throat] missing for. 20 years.

>> So it then goes on update three. Photos. have been provided by the woman who. provided lead number three. From these. photos, it is believed that her son, Jason Callahan, is the young man in the. photos provided to us. DNA has been. provided to the medical examiners for. testing. The testing will determine. whether or not Jason Callahan is the. Grateful Dough. This may take a few. weeks or a few months. We need to remain. patient. Jason Callahan now has a name. us page or so. This last update we have.

is coming from the mod of the Grateful. Do subreddit. The Grateful Doe has been. positively identified as the missing. man, Jason Callahan. >> Oh my god. >> Because also his mom did not know what. happened to him. There wasn't even a. missing person's report filed on him. until his mom saw the imure post. >> So, did they not have a relationship? You think. >> she just thought he's I don't know free. spirit offrid. Like there was no missing.

person report. That's why nothing was. pinging and connecting. >> Oh, I see. She just thought he was. living his life. >> Cuz you have to connect a Jane Doe to a. missing person. But if you don't have a. missing person, it's just a. >> never going to get solved. >> There's like there's a lot of projects. now. There's the D project. Um, Name US. is really big where they're doing DNA. tests on Jane and John Doe's to see if. there's any familial ties out there, especially with 23 and me, Ancestry, all. these DNA kits. They're starting to be.

able to identify Jane and John Doe's. based on tracing family members on. public databases. >> Yep. >> So, there's a lot of hope out there that. people are going to continue to be. identified. But the DNA testing did come. back and it was confirmed to be Jason. >> Callahan. God. >> Yeah. >> Poor baby. >> His family has answers. He's been. identified like thanks to. >> an IMER post. >> Grateful Dead T-shirt. >> Grateful though is.

>> beautiful. >> And it now it started this whole. subreddit that just continues to do. work. >> Internet sleuths coming together to try. to find information on all these Jane. and John Doe's and they're making a. difference. They're making a big. difference. >> I'm so happy. That's so awesome. That is. a good ending. >> It's incredible. >> Yeah, >> it's incredible. I know this was a. really big heavy episode. So, please. practice some self-care. If you need any. resources, whether it be domestic.

violence or a suicide hotline, all of. those will be found in the description. Please take care of yourself. Each and. every one of you is so valuable and we. love you. And on that note, until next. time, guys. Bye. >> bye. >> Go eat some bread and take care of. yourself. [music].