8 HOURS of Reddit Crimes! || Two Hot Takes Podcast

Hello everyone. Don't get too excited. when you see an almost 8-hour long. episode. This is a compilation episode. In honor of the episode we're releasing. tomorrow with Angela and Amanda from. Smos, we're dropping this compilation. video for you, which is a true crime. episode, crimes from Reddit. These are. all stories from Reddit that feel like. true crimes, stories that might have. started as a relationship post and then. transition to true crime. And we even.

have a major major update on a story. we've covered. Please watch out for the. trigger warnings. It is a heavy one, but. it's about that woman who was having. food tampered with. As you guys may. expect, these stories are true crime, crime related. They cover a variety of. heavier topics. If this isn't something. you can handle today, we have a lot of. other light-hearted, just normal chaos. episodes, so feel free to check out one. of those. Now without further ado, let's. dive into this compilation.

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It is titled, "I found my wife's secret. Google account and I'm sick to my. stomach.". >> Secret Google account? What does that. even mean? >> I, male, 36, met my wife, Bailey, female, 33, 9 years ago through mutual. co-workers, and we hit it off. immediately. I fell absolutely head over. heels with this woman. She was. everything I was looking for. I'd gotten. out of a toxic, dare I say abusive, long-term relationship right before that. with a woman Bailey had been acquainted.

with, but was not friends with. I'd. blocked her on everything and had no. contact with her since breaking up. We. got married right after the tail end of. the pandemic, bought our first house. together, and started trying to. conceive. That was difficult because. Bailey has PCOS. But last year, she. finally gave birth to our first. daughter. I'm having a blast being a. dad. It's kind of a dream come true. I. finally got my happy life with my. perfect wife until last Monday. My. laptop's battery [ __ ] the bed, so I.

opened up Bailey's work tablet with an. attached keyboard. You can sit at it. like a monitor to check on some tax. stuff. But she wasn't home. It was just. me and the baby. But we've never asked. permission to use each other's devices. We've always been open like that. There's nothing for us to hide. That's. what I thought. When I opened up the. internet, I noticed that she had an. incognito tab open. Never in a million. years did I expect to discover what I. did. My wife has a secret Google account. with a photo album saved called XX. So,

I clicked on it. Did I discover an. affair? Nudes? Nope. In this Google. album were over 300 photos, 348. actually, of my ex, the woman I was with. right before I met Bailey, the woman who. tormented me and made me feel worthless. The album said it was started back right. around the time Bailey and I started. dating and was updated as recently as 2.

weeks ago. The photos range from candid. shots with family to pictures at her. work functions. There were even pictures. from her yearbook. I don't know how. Bailey could have found her high school. yearbook photos, photos from vacation, ID photos from work, pictures of her in. crowds, screenshots of videos and screen. recordings of videos. Just her. The. other people in the photos would be. scribbled out or the photo would be. cropped and zoomed in on just my ex. What the? This is scary. There was other.

disturbing things I found, too. There. was another album with just zoomed up. pictures of my ex's hair. Come to think. of it, Bailey had recently started. wearing her hair different, and my ex. had a very identifiable hair type. There. was another album with screenshots of. comments on social media. Of course, I. can't find them because I have her. blocked, like Facebook groups she's in. and public posts, and my ex is very. lowkey on social media. I can't imagine.

the lengths Bailey went to to find them. My ex literally lives in another country. now. There were also different lengths. to the exact outfits she was wearing, like very specific blouses and trousers. You'd have to really go looking for to. find a specific water bottle. I. remembered her purchasing and identical. hiking boots and sandals. So, basically, my partner of almost a decade has been. single white femailing my ex-girlfriend. What is that a phrase these days? has.

secretly stalked her to the point of. buying her exact clothes and changing. her hair. And now I'm starting to. realize Bailey's new interests over the. years were just my ex's. Bailey has. turned herself into my ex. Whoa. Everything feels like a lie. Our. love feels like a lie. The things we. share feel like a lie. I threw up and. had a panic attack. I looked at our. daughter and felt betrayed. I haven't. confronted her yet. I don't know if I. want to. I want to run away with our.

daughter. I want to print out all the. pictures, leave them on the table, and. disappear. I don't know what to do. I. just want to throw up. Oh my god. I don't even know what to say. I would be very I would be very freaked. out. >> I'd be terrified. Where do you go from there? You have a. kid. You've been together 10 years. Where do you go from there? It's interesting too that he had no like.

inkling that. you know like you would think that he'd. be like you know she did say that she. was jealous or you know that she was. always felt like insecure like it. doesn't sound it seems like and that and. I think that is kind of what freaks me. out more is that this complete secret. side of her. >> instead of like him kind of knowing that. she was struggling with like comparison. or something along the way just the that. she was able for an entire decade to. kind of keep these like this secret like.

life. I don't know. It it Yeah, she hid. it really well. >> Yeah. >> The fact that it's never come up even. like a casual conversation of like what. was your ex like or you know like now. I'm 5 years in with Justin and like well. almost six and I you know recently found. out what his ex looked like. >> I don't know if I would have gone 10. years without being curious. >> Now I want to know. >> Yeah. >> I've never known either. I literally. just found out recently. I was like, "Ah, okay, cool." Um,

>> and then, you know, I started watching. um Nobody Wants This on Netflix, which. >> can we talk about how they definitely. got inspo from Two Hot Takes. Let's. Let's talk about that maybe another day. But. >> she is very open about his ex and she's. like, "What was Rebecca like? I'm. obsessed with your ex." Like, >> yeah. And I'm like, okay, maybe there's. a fine line of that not being healthy, >> but to ask like general questions like. what was she like? >> And I'm not surprised he missed it where.

like she was slowly morphing into. someone else because it is such a long. time. >> and people have a type like there's a. very good chance that from a get-go they. were two very similar people because. sometimes people do have a type, >> right? So, I I just I could see it. happening. >> It's just the whole thing is just really. odd because it's like it's a true. obsession because you're you want. everything that she has. I think it'd be.

different if like she was just following. her because she was an Instagram model. and she loves her style and she's like, I don't care that she's your ex. I love. her style. Cute boots. I'm going to buy. them, too. but this secret little. incognito file and doing it for the past. decade and like zooming in and like. crossing other people's faces off and. then like zooming in on the X. Like that. is that's creepy. It's crazy. I mean, some of the stuff in there I just like I.

could dissect everything all day. like. all of the pictures, but then the folder. of just cropped in on her hair, >> but then like the other people scribbled. like you said, >> but then the yearbook photo, work badge. pictures. >> How did she get some of these pictures? Pictures of her in a crowd. >> Is she stalking her in person and taking. some of those pictures herself? >> Exactly. And he said that she was like. >> very lowmaintenance or not on social.

media. So that also is a huge red flag. because it's like. >> I mean, oh my gosh, this is just so. concerning. Top comment, I'm so sorry. This sounds. like something out of creepy pasta. Opie. responds, I'm actually surprised with. the amount of support I've gotten on. here in the last hour. Haha. Believe it. or not, there are no other red flags in. our marriage. Now I don't know what else. I've missed.

First off, I'm sorry you were in an. abusive relationship. Second, unfortunately, as hard as this will be, the only option here is to sit her down. and ask what the hell is going on. Yeah, >> don't let her bog you down by bringing. up that you snooped. You did. Don't deny. it. But that doesn't compare to her. cyberstalking, your abusive ex, and. imitating her look. It's creepy, and I. can't even begin to imagine why she. would. >> Mhm. >> Your wife is the one you married, and. your relationship with this other woman. was horrible. You're clearly not pining. for the bad old days. So, I've got no.

theories. >> Yeah. >> And that's so true. Like, this other. woman was not a threat. >> at all. >> She's the furthest thing from a threat, >> right? >> OP has her blocked on everything. >> What. the [ __ ]. There's just so many things where it's. gone way too far because even if wife. was doing this for maybe like the first. 6 months of their relationship, it would.

be questionable. But maybe she was just. having a really hard time. Like, do you. still love her? What if he still loves. her? Like the obsession. But like the. the 10 years is so confusing to me. like. how do you stay um dedicated to trying. to like mimic everything that this. person is doing for 10 years? It's a lot. of effort and time. And who are you. then? Who are you? >> Right? >> If you're so involved and engrossed in.

becoming someone else, who are you? Is. there any chance that he went back to. his ex while he got back with this girl. and that just kind of like spiraled this. crisis? There's no mention of them ever. getting together. It sounds like from. the time Bailey and OP met, they were. kind of dating and exclusive. >> Um, there's another comment OP adds in. response to the one about the other red. flags. I don't know what I've missed.

While I talked about my ex, most of the. things I told my wife about her were. negative and paint her in not such a. good light. My wife knows these things. and knows they were traumatic. Of. course, I've mentioned things like what. she does for a living and things she. used to do. I think everything else she. found she got through intense. cyberstalking through my ex's friends. and family. The yearbook photos, I have. no idea. And then there is an edit. removed specific info so I don't. accidentally dox myself.

But I mean there's one comment someone's. like um best thing to do is address it. now and see what'll change if she no. longer has someone to replicate. I. really want to get her reaction. I. really hope he gives us updates. >> So OP does respond to that one and goes, "I feel like what's worse is that she's. subtly making these changes over time. under my nose. So, my ex has a specific. career, and Bailey didn't express. interest in switching careers to the. exact same thing until after I mentioned. what my ex did. I didn't notice at the.

time, but I remember telling her, quote, "Ex went to school for that. The hair. was more recent, the outfits and objects. slowly over time, the interest. I'm not. sure how much she's stolen. personalitywise from my ex, and what she. actually likes. It's all incredibly. exhausting and confusing." H. >> And that's how I would feel. >> I'd be like, "Who are you?". >> Yeah. >> Who are you? >> If it was like if that folder was from. the time when they were dating,

>> like he said there were times before. marriage or something. >> Yeah. Like there were a couple of the. pictures saved from when we first. started dating. >> But the fact that he was like it was. updated as recently as 2 weeks ago. >> That's You have a baby together. You're. happy. And like I don't Yeah, there's. there's just so many things that make. this just too far. And I I really can't. get over like the scribbles though. because if like you don't want to see. other people, only her so clearly,

>> right? It's just it's odd like if she. was just like had this obsession that. she got in this habit of doing and she's. just kept like checking on the ex and. then she like didn't want to. accidentally like like I don't know. Creating a separate album is just. confusing to me in general, but like. scribbling people's faces out. Oh man, I. don't know. This is just so odd. I. really really would love to get like. what the wife says about it. Like does. she deny it and say, "You're crazy.

Gaslight him." Or is she going to be. like, "I'm sorry. I have been battling. like this mental health like issue that. I've been having and I wanted to keep. you out of it because it makes me feel. so crazy." Like I want to know like what. her response is going to be so badly. Well, we don't have enough. >> Just kidding. We do. >> Yeah. >> Oh, why'd you do that to me? >> Oh my gosh. >> So, the original post was coming from. March 17th of 2024 this year. And the. update came July 7th. So, March, April,

May, June, July, like almost 4 months. >> Okay. >> I'm pretty sure I accidentally got my. original post removed just now because I. tried to update it with a link to my. update. Oops. Anyways, I'm the guy that. found the Google Drive full of pictures. of my ex. So, I was not expecting my. original post to go viral on YouTube and. Tik Tok and have so many responses. Yikes. I'm overwhelmed by the support. I. am humbled by the number of people who. have been through this experience on. both sides. Whoa. Wow. I have an update,

but it's probably not as exciting and as. juicy as you want. It's not bad, though. First, let me clear a few things up. If. people think this post is fake because. it doesn't make sense or are trying to. conceive timeline is short or the way I. worded things makes it looks like a. teenager or woman wrote it, continue to. think that because it means I've. successfully been vague enough and. worded things to not accidentally dox. myself because this is a creative. writing exercise so I don't embarrass. myself for real. No, I actually didn't.

throw up. I was in the middle of a panic. attack. Private browsing tabs were open. to the websites with closing and. objects. Another tab was signed into. Google Photos. When I exited the Google. Photo tab to look at the website with. clothes and came back, it was already. signed out and I couldn't get back in. A. lot of the clothing I recognized wasn't. because I remembered my ex wearing them. There were more recent pictures of her. in the file wearing them. And I remember. the day Bailey bought the water bottle. that also happened to be in the folder.

The hair. Bailey and my ex are the same. race and my ex wore braids in a. particular way. not so particular that. it's exclusive to my ex because Bailey. has also worn different braids, but. seeing pictures of her made me put two. and two together. Is there any way. Bailey could have gotten with me in an. attempt to get to my ex? Was Bailey. possibly obsessed with my ex before she. met me? Probably not, because Bailey. grew up here and my ex originally moved. here for university. And while you can.

drive across the border, it's not that. easy and I don't think Bailey was going. back and forth to stalk her in person. also the reason why my ex and I broke up. have nothing to do with Bailey and she. could not have had any involvement. On. to the actual update. The next day when. I had calmed down, I called several. social workers and therapists. I was. planning to confront her there. Unfortunately, the only places I take. our insurance did not have an opening. for another couple of weeks. So, despite. what a lot of you think, I've known my.

wife for nearly a decade. And even while. I was confused and upset and doubting. things, I didn't think she'd be a danger. to me. We took baby to grandma's and I. asked her to go for a walk with me. I. did not beat around the bush and. straight up told her, quote, "I found. the folder." Her face got very red and. she was frozen, but also tried to play. dumb at first. I was persistent and she. started crying and begged me not to. leave her. This is what I uncovered.

Bailey first started looking at my ex. out of curiosity to keep tabs, I guess, but over time it became more. pathological. It's like she got addicted. to it, >> but she also wanted to please me. Okay, maybe I talked about my ex a lot more. than I thought. And Bailey wanted to. emulate the good parts. She told me she. really doesn't know who she is and my. ex's image was something she latched on. to because, quote, "She had me first.". Finding information about her became a. game. Finding the clothing and objects.

became a game by searching things like. blue water bottle, green stripe until. she compared the product to a photo and. found the exact one. The reason why I. couldn't find the post wasn't because I. had blocked my ex, but because my ex had. made a new Facebook under a different. name. Bailey found her profile by. searching up a family member. She made a. fake social media and added enough. mutual friends until she could see my. ex's post. and until her private. Instagram accepted her. She weasled her.

way into her exercise Facebook group. where the videos were posted and. searched her high school on a yearbook. website to find the yearbook pictures. Over time, she just collected the images. and would get excited to find something. new. Despite the fact that my ex is. extremely private on social media, the. folder had originally been called Hex. the X in case I discovered it. She was. going to make the excuse of saving the. pictures to put a hex on her. When she.

made a burner Google account, >> that's more normal. >> I think that might be worse. >> Yeah, I'm kidding. >> When she made a burner Google account, she deleted the old folder and named the. new one XX. Then she got sloppy and. comfortable, and that's right around the. time I just happened to open the work. tablet. We took a break. It was a while. We made it to couples counseling and. Bailey and I also began seeing separate. therapists. She still has not had an. assessment with a psychiatrist, but it's. on the list. She promised to stop and.

deleted the album in front of me. Slowly, certain clothing items began to. disappear from the closet. I still do. not entirely trust her, and that is for. me to work on. I'm afraid she has. another secret account somewhere, like a. backup. The physical mimicking is. actually stopping though, including the. hair change. We're still not okay. I. want us to be okay, and it's okay if. that takes time. If we end up not being. okay, then that's something I have to. deal with. What I do know is that my.

wife is incredibly insecure, probably. mentally ill, and is misled. I don't. really want to walk away from that. Although this probably isn't the most. exciting update, I appreciate the. private messages. I just couldn't get. back to Reddit cares and links to. resources. I'm not sure how I feel about. social media, YouTube, and Tik Tok. Pick. it up my story, though. That's wild. Until next time, if I ever give another. update, I do hope it's a good one.

>> Damn. Until next time. >> Until next time. Um, I mean, I guess. it's kind of exactly what we all. thought, but um. I mean I feel like that's. a lot of people are screaming, "Ah, he. should have got divorced.". But there's so much more nuance to life. than that. >> Yeah. I don't This doesn't scream. divorce to me. I think I would be more. concerned if the wife completely gaslit.

him, wouldn't own up to it, like said he. was crazy, like that type of stuff, then. I'd be concerned around it. But the fact. that, you know, she was embarrassed and. then she came clean, I don't think that. it's like an immediate like divorce. worthy. It just it depends on what what. happens from here. What it sounds like. to me is that she was interested in the. ex and then it became a little obsessive. because she gified it. >> She literally gified it and then it. became an addiction that she just didn't.

drop. So I, you know, if nothing else is going wrong. in the relationship and if she's going. to be honest about getting help and. talking it out of why she did it and not. doing that anymore, then I don't see. why, you know, they shouldn't still try. But. again, it's up to OP and like how he. feels. If he feels really betrayed and. he can't move forward from it, then like. that's that. But if he thinks he can,

you know, still trust her and feel that. she still is the same person that she. is, like she is her own person and she. was just copying clothes because she had. this like addiction and he can get over. it, then. >> that's their life. >> That's Yeah, that's their life. >> And I mean, do they do have a kid. together? Like otherwise really happy. marriage. And I mean, he even kind of. admitted. He's like, "Maybe I did talk. about my ex a lot more than I thought.". >> And so maybe, you know, she loved him so.

much, she felt that need to do it. And. >> still unhinged. >> and, you know, they'll proceed forward. and they'll figure it out. >> Even if he just said in passing like, "Oh, my ex was super stylish, very into. fashion, >> but she and she used it against me and. and blah blah blah." and always said. that I my fashion suck. Like even if he. said that and he in his head he's. thinking he's talking about her being. like. >> yeah toxic and then his partner is just.

like she's fashionable fashionable. She. has such good fashion. >> sense. You pick up the positive versus. the negative that follows. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. This one is wild. Wild. Okay. This next one I have not read. I'm. just going based off the title because. it threw me for a loop. >> Okay, >> it's coming from Relationship Advice. Three days old. My 27 female husband, 28.

male, secretly recorded us and sent it. to my ex. I just found out my husband, 28 male, of. 2 years, secretly recorded us during. sex. And I'm freaking out. He sent it to. my ex that he's always been openly. jealous of. I knew he could go a little. over the top sometimes, but this is. honestly making me insane. I'm not sure. what to do. I'm not sure what to say. I. found out from logging into his. Instagram and seeing their DMs. My ex.

was angry in the text, but blocked my. husband right after confronting him. This exchange was around May of last. year. I'm really scared and I'm. panicking. What do I say to my husband? I know I need to confront him, but I'm. just so scared. I can't believe he'd. record us without me even realizing. What if he has more in his gallery? I'm. so worried. I'm so scared. I don't know. what to do. That's.

It's over. Divorce. Yeah. Divorce. Divorce. Divorce. Divorce. Yeah. I would. literally have lawyers uh confiscate all. of his stuff and try to get all of those. deleted because that is that's. terrifying. It's so terrifying. I just want to I. just don't know. Like I want to just. electrocute him with my static. electricity because that is disgusting. behavior. >> It's it's horrific. It's so not okay. >> And the fact he sent it to her ex.

>> twofold. >> Do you want the ex? like where in his. >> No, he's saying like look her now. >> That's so messed up. And then and then. that and that video the ex may send that. to probably all of. >> Yeah. You can never track it. Yeah. >> And that and like Oh, that just so. violating. >> That is so violating. It's so not okay. I just This one's done. That's just so. disturbing. He's Yeah. There's no coming. back from that. >> I mean, it's just crazy. What are you.

trying to prove? That is the most. insecure, toxic, >> so toxic. >> predatory behavior. >> Recording someone without their consent, >> sending it, which could be I'm like, is. that prosecutable by like revenge porn? Because. >> I would I like hope it can be classified. like something like that. >> You could definitely go after him for. doing. >> he needs to be in trouble for that. It's. not okay. >> And the fact they're married like this. is a person you're supposed to trust and. is supposed to love you. Why are you.

still Why are you still threatened by. the axe if you're married? >> You got her. She's yours. You guys are. together. You won. Air quotes won. >> And I feel so bad because like she's. here again saying, "I'm so scared. I'm. so scared. I'm so scared." Like, >> yeah, >> you I I fully I would be scared, too. >> I'd be looking for the camera. >> And you. can't I think a lot of times with people. like this, you can't confront them. You. just need to pack your [ __ ] Yeah. No,

he's disturbing. Like there's something. absolutely wrong. >> Absolutely wrong. I I totally agree. That's why I'm like instead of like. taking all of the devices and trying to. like delete it all myself, I would be. like I'm going to get a lawyer involved. So like. I don't know how that works, but I hope. there's justice because that is so. messed up. >> Top comment on this one. This is abuse. and also illegal. I could never trust my. husband again if he did that to me. This. is grounds for divorce. >> Well, and it's not just the fact that it.

was recording, right? That would put you. there. >> regardless. >> It's then, okay, you then took it and. sent it. There's There's no. >> I mean, >> she sent it on Instagram. >> You doubled down. You You didn't even. It's Oh my god. It's just so crazy. I. can't I can't process the fact that it. was. >> this first crazy step and then I don't. know, man. Come on. This is like the. two-way mirror thing in hotels. I always.

have to go up in my flashlight and check. the goddamn mirrors and look for cameras. and smoke detectors. Hate that [ __ ] I. love the world before little tiny. cameras because like, yeah, it's great. we can have it on our phone. It's like, oh my god, look at that. You got it. But. there was something awesome, especially. about being like a teenager teepeeing. people's houses and things when there. wasn't cameras every single little place. and the size of like a grain of rice.

>> I think that's what gets scary and like. you hear about this with like Airbnbs. where like you see like a little like. USB plug on the wall and it's actually a. camera. Well, for Alejandra's uh. birthday when we were in Aspen, I'm like. we're all sitting in the living room. like in a circle just talking about. random things, but like we're getting. like deep with each other. We're like. sharing like personal things and there's. a camera that's just like right at us. that's on like and I'm like. >> like I'm sure they're just trying to.

make sure there's no like damages cuz. the camera was like big where it's not. like a sneaky one. But like, but I'm. like, it makes me feel uncomfortable. knowing that they have this like footage. of us like sharing like personal stories. with each other. >> Yeah. >> It's really the age of like people and. like I think people now feel more. entitled to record you. >> Yeah. And it's just like. >> they do. I know when I watch Tik Toks. sometime cuz sometimes I see something. kind of funny and I want to like take a. picture of it. >> and I'm way too nervous to take a photo. of it. I don't want anyone to see that.

I'm taking a photo of something that I. found funny, like a sign or something. And um other people I see on TikTok are. just like in each other's face recording. each other. And I'm like, I don't know. how you guys do that. Like I'm. >> they're brazen. >> I'm like I'm too nervous to take picture. of a funny sign that someone probably. wants me to take a picture of, but I'm. like I don't want to. >> You just got to be careful. And it's. scary that it can happen with someone. that close. Yeah. >> That should have your ultimate trust. So. really, there's one answer. >> Yeah, it's without doubt, it's a.

goodbye. >> It's a goodbye. And I don't think. there's any devil's advocating on this. one. There's no [ __ ] way. What he did. is extremely violating, illegal, disgusting. >> Yeah. >> But of course, someone on Reddit will. still, you know, try. Okay, let's hear. it. >> Someone goes, "Everybody's jumping on. the your husband is an evil man. bandwagon, but I have to ask you, do you. make your husband feel less than your. ex?" Shut the [ __ ] up. Do you talk about. him like he was so wonderful? Do you.

compare them? Maybe he doesn't feel like. he measures up. Don't blow up your. marriage yet. >> Shut up. >> Lots of advice from people not married. >> Like fair. >> Ask him why he felt he needed to do. that. And I don't mean yelling, but an. actual question. Find out why before you. jump. >> Absolutely not. I'm sorry. That is I if. if that was a thing that doesn't matter. That doesn't mean that you get to do. what he did. That's not okay.

>> What even do you think the why would be? >> Like. >> what reasonable why could there even. possibly ever be? >> Oh yeah, that makes sense. Okay. Okay, never mind. >> I'm sorry that I said my ex did that for. me one time and I talked about a present. he got maybe twi. Like, >> yeah. >> Well, it doesn't I don't care if she. said, "My ex is the best person I've. ever met. I wish him so well." Blah blah. blah blah blah. >> I don't care. You don't record someone. And you being intimate and then send it.

off into the internet into the void and. then send it to someone like, "What?". >> I don't care if she literally talked. about in like the intimacy that she had. with her ex every single day. That would. make her shitty. Yes. But that does not. mean that you can do something like that. to a person. >> He could have left. He could have broken. up. He could have got divorced. There's. no. >> You don't need to be with someone. >> No excuse for this behavior. Zero. And. you guys know I love to like poke holes. in things, ask so many questions, try to. understand.

>> We're curious, gals. >> Yeah, we're very curious. I just even if. I already am like it's an automatic no, I like to ask questions anyway, just out. of curiosity. But with this one, I'm. like, no. This is like a caveman got a. hold of some technology like rock hard. Ooh, camera. Ooh, record. Ooh, jealous. Ooh, prove point. >> Like literally, it's so stupid. >> It's this man. >> Like, I'm going to prove I'm the alpha. type [ __ ]. >> It's crazy. He's genuinely unhinged.

>> OP replies to that and OP says, >> "Fuck you." The thing is, I never talk. about my ex. Maybe a bit when we first. dated, but never when we got married 2. years ago. I'm really not sure what. caused this. Maybe they have some beef. between them. I don't know. But other. than that, I'm not sure. But thank you. for suggesting I think before I do,

someone responds back to her and goes, "This is a terrible take. Don't listen. to this person.". >> Yeah. >> Yeah. There is nothing you could do to. cause or deserve this abuse. >> Mhm. >> Nope. >> Hell no. >> Hell to the no. >> Um, OP does have some other comments. here. Exploring my legal options sounds. like a good plan. I'll need to talk to. my parents first, but knowing them, it'll be hell let loose if they find. out. Do I risk that or do I handle it on. my own first? What does she mean by.

that? >> I don't know. just like maybe trying to. like you know sort it before No, I mean. what is like what would her parents do? Kill him. I mean I mean not actually but like. I don't know. There's another couple. comments. Yes, I kept a few screenshots. >> Smart. >> So wild. I. >> You got to remember that in the hardest. times these days you got to document.

Yeah, you have to. >> You have to. No matter how emotional you. are. >> Um, >> I know. Don't you hate when you watch a. movie where they just like throw the. phone in the water. >> cuz they're pissed? And I'm like, no, keep the evidence. >> That's so wild. Uh, someone goes, "Would. there be any repercussions for logging. into his Instagram? Breach of privacy or. whatnot?" Obviously a way smaller scale, but you don't want to give them anything. to use against you in court. Maybe your.

ex showed it to you. Wink wink. And Opie. goes, "I'm guessing there won't be any. repercussions. He asked me to log into. his Instagram to change his settings. since he didn't know how to. I was. looking at his DMs just to check how his. sisters are doing since I haven't seen. them in a while. I came across the DM. with my ex completely by accident. Before I speak to a lawyer, would this. actually be an issue?". Something to take up with a lawyer. >> Your lawyer will tell you. Yeah. >> Yeah. I like looking at the DMs to see.

how his sisters are doing. Sure. >> Be honest. You're. >> I mean, regardless, regardless if that. was wrong or not, thank God you did it. because you found this. >> I don't imagine if you hadn't. >> I don't find it to be wrong. Specifically when he literally said, "Go. on to my Instagram." Like, if you're. going to say that, then you have to. accept that they might see something on. your Instagram. So, I'm I'm not like at. all judging or anything. I was just. >> Yeah. >> I'm just saying like we all like to kind.

of like take a little peep. >> Yeah. >> If it's right in front of you. >> Tell me the vibes you get from this. Okay. Am I the [ __ ] for taking my. husband's property and comparing my. husband's strange hobby to infidelity? My husband and I have had a rocky. marriage and are going through a. divorce. I've long suspected him of. infidelity because he travels. constantly, leaves out weird hours, went. home, and even had three different women. file police reports against him a few. years ago. >> Sorry, what? >> Yes, start there.

>> She just she slipped that one in. >> And one other thing, just a three police. Anyway, anyway, charges got dropped and I eventually. believed he was a victim of a witch hunt. and moved on. We tried to be civil for. the holidays for our respective. children. We each have two children from. previous marriages, but none with each. other. >> Good. Thank God. My daughter was with. her boyfriend on exmus, but came home. for New Year's Eve. My husband was still. at work while we were getting ready. I. needed some red wine to make some.

sangria and asked my daughter to get it. out of my husband's room in the cellar. where he stores our alcohol. She came. back 10 minutes later and looked really. worried. I asked her what was wrong and. she handed me a small pouch. She said. that she jostled the liquor storage. cabinet a bit and it fell to the ground. Apparently, it was tucked between the. liquor storage cabinet and the wall. This is sketchy. >> Uh-huh. So, I confronted my husband. about it this afternoon. He said that he. had a confession. He said that he had. had a fetish for driver's licenses and.

would buy them from random women when he. went on his work trips. He admitted it. was bizarre, but said that there was. something erotic about holding something. that left someone else feeling so. vulnerable. I said that I was upset and. that this was very, very creepy. I said. it was also like cheating on me to get. off to some weird fetish like this. without sharing it with me first. He got. very upset. He admitted that he should. have been more open about something that. he was struggling with, but that it was.

completely out of line for me to accuse. him of cheating based on this. He also. said that he would burn the driver's. licenses in the furnace later that. night. When I told him that I had given. them to my lawyer already, he completely. lost it. He said that I have no right to. steal his personal property like that. and couldn't even be around me. He. packed some clothes, got into his car, and took off. Based on what he said in. pack, I get the feeling he won't be. coming back. I'm not sorry he left since. I can't stand him these days. However, I.

partly feel like he had a point that I. shouldn't have compared his weird fetish. to cheating or given his property away. to my lawyer when it might be evidence. of such. >> I'm sorry. Wait, she did everything right. I mean, honestly, that's [ __ ] terrifying. >> I called the cops. >> No, seriously. Like, I just watched The. Undoing and after watching a whole. series like that, I'm not going to give. anything away. >> I I haven't seen it yet, >> but. that I would literally think that he was.

a ser Yeah, a serial killer. Like that. is so so so scary. Especially the reason. behind like he's saying like oh like. something I just love it being like this. vulnerable thing for these women who. don't have this like pass whatever he. was saying. >> things like that. That is so so so. eerie. And the fact that he like ran. away like after she gave those to the. lawyer. Like. >> he's running. He's running. He's. literally. >> And like he's like, "Don't worry, I'll. burn him tonight." Like what? To burn. your own evidence? Like it's so [ __ ].

sketchy. I'm terrified. So what what is. like the followup on this? >> So the followup basically is OP says she. didn't like look at any of the IDs. Like. for me, if I would have seen those IDs, like I would have at least like Googled. a couple of them. >> Oh, for sure. like Google and like. >> make sure they're okay. >> Yeah. See if any missing people pop up. cuz that's just weird. That's just. weird. But she asked him about it like, "Oh, how did you how did you get these. even? Like how would some random girl at.

a bar like. >> let you just take their ID?" And. basically he says like he would offer. them like a hundred bucks or he would. offer them like. >> I would say no. M. yeah weird but he's not a lot of people. at sitting down next to a girl. I feel like we as women like we're. already on high alert if we're sitting. at a bar by ourselves or even with. friends like. >> we're making sure our drinks don't get.

roofied like we're on high alert like. looking out for creepers. >> and if someone just came up to you and. was like can I buy your ID from you. >> no especially like okay if he offered. $1,000 I'd be like Yeah, >> I I like 100. Absolutely not. Like you. have to have the inconvenience. You have. to question like why do you want my ID? Like that's weird. But like a thousand. I'd be like. >> maybe last question. >> Yeah. Even a thousand though. Like going. to the DMV in Los Angeles. It's just so. creepy too cuz even if he wasn't a.

serial killer. >> Okay. Weird. >> What is What is to make you not think. that he hooked up with all those girls. and then stole like their ID and like. that was his little like trophy? >> That's his trophy. Either way, they're a. trophy for something. >> Exactly. >> A conquest. He He, you know, slept with. all of them. He killed them. >> I consider that cheating. Like even if. it was just as innocent as being like, "Oh, like could I have your. >> your ID?" And then I had a boyfriend. husband who was jacking off to again.

like these people. It's different. Like. it's different like what we were talking. about with porn. Like no one looks at. that as like these people. Like people. are just like, "Oh, I just want to. envision myself there." But when you're. looking at whether it be your wife's. little sister and mom in their bathing. suits or you're looking at these girls. IDs that like that to me is cheating. because it's like that is like. >> you physically met those people, you. know those people. >> Exactly. Like you are masturbating to. people that like you are in contact with.

and pictures of them. like I and and. it's not like naked pictures where it's. like porn is like literally just like oh. like people want to see like the act and. whereas like this is like you're looking. at a picture of a person's face like. >> I hate that I hate that and I would. definitely. >> I would leave him immediately but so. she's really curious if she's the. [ __ ]. He was he was pissed. Like that was his. personal property and then she gave it.

to the lawyer, >> but she did that because she thought he. was cheating and it was evidence of. cheating. >> So because you get better uh helps in. the divorce. >> It definitely does. >> Not that I know, but. >> personally hopefully I won't know. personally, but. >> it's sketchy though. Something's. something's up. Something is not right. Well, I am just hoping that it was only. just a random weird fetish because I. really hope those women are safe and. sound. >> I think she mentioned in one of the.

comments that there were a total of. eight IDs. >> I'm sure the lawyer looked them up like. he had to have. He's a lawyer. >> I wish like her account was still active. because I would love to hear the rest. >> Hear a conclusion from this. We need it. >> Was he a killer? Was he not a killer? I'm going to say he's not and I really. hope that that's the truth manifest. >> But after the fact that I just got. Citizens Alert, which you said that you. don't have Citizens Alert. >> Honestly, I have mixed feelings on.

having Citizens Alert because one, it. makes you know like you don't want to go. on the corner of Labraa and Wilshire. Yeah. Something like that if you see. that someone just got assaulted. But on. the other hand, I hate seeing the fact. that tonight there was a fire with a. body found in a container. So. >> so terrible. >> I don't, you know, Citizens Alert could. save your life. Could also take some. years off your life because of the.

stress of looking at it. Other than. that, it's starting to spread like. wildfire. Like everyone's on it now. It. notifies me every single time a contact. signs up. So. >> you'll see mine tonight, tomorrow. Be. safe, people. Can't wait. Be safe. Don't. sell your IDs. This is weird. >> Do not collect. >> What if he was sex trafficking, too? What if he was like trying to get people. out of the country using. >> I really want to know where he drove off. to? Like I hope that he's still in the. country. He might be all the way in. Mexico by now. >> He gone. >> Trigger warning on this next one. It.

does mention talks of sexual assault and. kidnapping. So, this is from r/true off. my chest posted 4 days ago. It is. titled, "My 23 female boyfriends, 26. male friends pretended to kidnap me for. a proposal.". >> Oh, they kidnapped her. Oh, what the. [ __ ] Okay, continue. I am trembling and. just created this alt account because my.

main has a lot of details about me that. would make it easy to trace back. A week. ago, my boyfriend told me he had a. camping trip planned with his friends on. Friday, today. He said he would have no. service and he'll see me on Sunday. He. messaged me at 5:00 a.m. this morning. and told me they're hitting the road. Around 8, I went for a run like I. usually do on Fridays. I have one. headphone in while I do because I was on. a work call. While I was running, I. noticed an SUV that kept popping up. In. hindsight, it looked just like my. boyfriend's childhood friend's car. I.

sent a message to my sister saying to. stand by and shared my location. >> It's so funny how girls have such good. intuition. and she's like, "I'm going to. die today. >> cuz that car is a little too close. >> Trust your gut, girlies." Right after. sending the message, I looked up and the. SUV was right beside me and someone. jumped out and grabbed me. It happened. so fast, I even dropped my phone on the. pavement. I was pulled into this car and. I could tell there was at least two. masked guys in the back before they. covered my eyes. In hindsight, they had.

cartoonish ski masks and black gloves. on. I freaked out and resisted like. crazy, screaming and kicking. All I. could hear was these guys laughing, and. I could feel one of them holding me down. by my arms behind me, and the other was. holding my legs down at the knees. This is so [ __ ] traumatic. >> Immediate trauma, immediate therapy for. 30 years. >> I don't know how long I was in there, but I kept begging them to let me go and. crying. I even admit I peed on myself,

but I don't think they noticed until we. arrived at the house. They pulled me out. of the car and I was screaming for help. until I was pulled into the house. When. the mask on my head was removed, I was. on my knees in front of my boyfriend of. 2 years. He was staring at me with a. confused look before he started to. angrily ask his friends what was going. on. As I started to adjust to what was. going on, I realized he was dressed nice. and there was romantic decorations. around the entryway to his house. I. realized who he was and what was going.

on and collapsed into sobs. I probably. had a 5-minute panic attack in that car. on my way there and another one sitting. in the entryway to his house. I was. sweaty, wearing soiled yoga pants, flushed with fear, scared for my life. That was all about an hour or two ago. My boyfriend took me upstairs and was. going to help me get showered and. changed, but I wanted to do that alone. I heard yelling and commotion downstairs. while I showered, but I don't know what. is going on. I'm sitting in his room now. holding my shattered phone after crying.

to my sister about what happened. She. lives 1.5 hours away, but is speeding. over to get me now. I can't stop. thinking about what happened. And even. though I now know I was never in any. danger, I don't think my brain can. comprehend it. They were snickering and. teasing me in deepened voices about what. they were going to do to me. The one. that was holding my legs down kept. caressing my thighs up and down into the. inner area. >> Oh, hell no. When the car would break, his face kept falling into my chest. I.

don't even know who that was. I just. know one of them sounded unsure and kept. trying to diffuse the situation, but I. think it was the driver. >> So, did he propose? >> I don't think so. We have some edits. Like, it seems like things. >> there were follow-up questions. >> Yeah. Like everyone had like like what. the [ __ ] is going on type reactions in. the comment. >> as in maybe they had a plan and then the.

friends like kind of went rogue. >> H yeah, it sounds like that because. obviously like he expected her to show. up. He had like everything set up and. like ready for a cute proposal. So I. don't know like. >> why couldn't they just have been like, "Hey, can we take you somewhere? Hey, it's your friends. We want to take you. somewhere and it's a surprise." What. What's wrong with that? I think. sometimes people will use any. opportunity as an excuse to like act out. their insane fantasies. Like I feel like. these guys had a fantasy to kidnap a.

woman and play this out and they took. this as like here's our shot. Let's get. her there, but let's do it our way. And. they just went [ __ ] rogue. >> for sure. Well, the word rogue is so fun. to say, but this is not a fun situation. because I feel like dudes will never. understand the fear of like being alone. walking or running as a girl. Like. anywhere you go, I I'll walk somewhere. like with a guy and be like, I could. never be alone. Like, thank God you're. here. And they never think that. Oh, and.

this is every girl's worst nightmare is. going outside alone and getting captured. by a bunch of men. >> I think about this every time I walk. outside by myself, >> literally. >> Even in broad daylight, >> literally. I don't I'm like I'm speechless. I I. need to know like any follow-ups. >> Yeah. So, top comment on this is this is. no joke. Most people who are kidnapped. or assaulted are done so by people they. know. This is assault. Press charges. against these shitty friends of his. And. someone goes, "It's essay as well. The.

friend and his friends thought they had. a get out of jail free card to enact. their sick fantasies." So yeah. >> Wow. >> Comments picking up on it, too. Um, so. there is an edit at the top. My sister. arrived. She wants to take me to the. police station now. I haven't spoken to. my boyfriend yet, but I think there's. more to this story than he knew about. I'll have to log off for a while. Thank. you for the support in the comments. >> Edit number two. I'm working with police. now. This is going to be investigated as. a false imprisonment if I press charges.

My sense of time was so warped. From. where I was picked up to his house was. about 7 or 10 minutes in the car. It. felt like way longer than that. >> Yeah. >> As for the friends, the driver was his. childhood best friend, who I actually. get along well with. He was in tears. when he voluntarily arrived at the. police station for a statement. The. other two were friends from his. athletics class that he started. attending a few months ago. It seems. like the two guys I didn't know wanted. in on what otherwise was supposed to be. something more innocent. The original.

plan was for them to pop out of this car. in their funny kidnapping attire and. hand me a letter that explained I was. being summoned by boyfriend and. resistance is feudile. Seems like the. plan changed as the two new friends. wanted to shake me up a bit more and. make it feel more real. Edit three. I've. had time to calm down and long talks. with my sister. We are going to meet up. with my ex question mark boyfriend for. dinner tonight. He has been respectful.

of my request for space, but has been. emotional whenever he thinks about what. I went through this morning. His best. friend contacted me repeatedly. apologizing for allowing it to get that. far, but I asked for him to stop and he. did. The best friend's fiance reached. out and has been supportive and. apologetic, too. I'm astounded at the. support I've received here and wish I. could thank each of you individually. I've never had anyone other than my. sister and boyfriend care for my mental. well-being like this. Reddit is a very. kind place sometimes.

>> Sometimes. >> Key word. >> Wait. So, it sounds like these two. [ __ ]. >> Yeah. >> ruined the whole situation in like the. worst possible way. >> Even like. >> Also, what is athletics club? What does. that mean? Your gym buddies who are. snorting up steroids? >> Sounds like it. I'm just like blown. away. And I guess like to each their. own, but my like my idea of a romantic. proposal does not in like doesn't. include any blindfolding. Also, that was.

like planned out like I know she's going. to be running at this time and she'll be. in this place. Find her. >> Absolutely not. I hate to be like. another breakup, but. but it it worries me as to like who what. kind of people he [ __ ] with and then. also why he thought that would ever. potentially be even cute. >> That's what I'm wondering. >> Even the jump scare of them just. surprising her at first is enough for me. to be like, "Nape, not fun. Not cool.".

>> No. And like anytime there's a mask. involved, it's kind of like it doesn't. matter how childish the mask is. When. someone initiates a kidnapping, you. think you're getting kidnapping, like. kidnapped. Like, and even now she's. like, "Well, I know I was never in any. real harm." Tell that to your brain. Like, she's going to experience PTSD. forever. Anytime she's trying to run. outside, sees a black SUV, >> panic attack. Like, this is not. something that now that you know it's. fake, you instantly can just be like, "I'm good. I didn't pee myself. I didn't.

cry.". >> So, right. It's like, this is so random, but the Cindy Crawford was Cindy. Crawford documentary. >> Oh, I Yeah, I want to It was like she. basically had to do all this weird stuff. when she was a kid and then later on she. realized that it was trauma, but during. it, she didn't realize. So, it's so. interesting how your brain doesn't. really know how to process things. Even. when you like logically are like, "This. is going to be fine. This is fine." Your. brain knows when it's not. >> Yeah. Um, also if he was actually trying. to propose, the fact that now they're on.

the verge of breaking up is a literal. plot twist. >> Yeah, but I I totally see why because. even like being around his best friend. Like I would be so I would be so angry. at that person. >> Also, you're not a butt of their jokes. Like it's giving like they hate women. Like this is supposed to be the most. beautiful moment of like this person's. lifeactly of love and celebrating a. connection of a man and a woman and. they're literally treating her like. she's an animal. >> They assaulted her and that's like I get.

like oh the boyfriend thought it would. be a cute like kidnap proposal. Okay, here's the letter babe. Whatever. >> Where did he get that idea? >> Stupid [ __ ] idea. Stupid idea. Men. are so silly sometimes. >> I really wish she ended up murdering one. of them. Is that bad to say? No. >> Okay. >> I think it's deserved. >> But they then took it far and they. started touching her. >> Yeah. No, that's when it's like you go. into taekwond do mode and you like look. at that TikTok you watched once where.

like if a guy puts his hand on your neck. and then you stab him in the in the eye. with your with your um long fingernail. gel nail French manicure. Having his. friends non-conensually involved in a. kidnapping and then they touch you. Absolutely not. I don't know how this. guy's gonna recover, but hopefully he. learned a lot. >> I hope so. I think that this is going to. be a good like clean break for her. I. think the breakup is the best decision. No matter like how much you love.

someone, I don't think I would ever be. able to get past this. But also, I feel. like if someone really [ __ ] loves. you, they wouldn't put that situation in. their dumbass friends they just met in. their athletic club's hands. I and that's the question like is he. that stupid? >> Does he truly not have more than one. brain cell? >> Sometimes these horrible things that. happened to you are a sign from the. universe to be like get the [ __ ] out of. this situation. What are people saying? >> A lot of comments. A lot of people. sharing their own kidnap stories.

>> Yeah. Like there's one person that was. like, "I was kidnapped too as a kid for. an event for new high schoolers as a way. to haze the freshmen. I used to not be. claustrophobic and now I am among other. things. My love for quite a few things. as well as my innocence died that day. when I was 14 and changed me forever. >> I have watched kidnapping documentaries. and it's. fascinating the it [ __ ] with your mind. because you think like you deserved it.

or like you're lucky that that person. chose you and like for people who are. like ket for years and then you start. just being like you don't know who you. are anymore. It is some [ __ ] up [ __ ]. It's not funny. And I'm I'm a comic and. I could find funniness in a lot of. things. Not that. >> Oh, so sad. But OP ends up like. responding to that comment and being. like, I'll message you since you've been. through something similar. I'm sorry you. had that experience, especially at such. a young age. >> And so it's like it's nice that she's. even finding this community in Reddit to. like maybe help her share similar.

experiences and heal. And like granted, yeah, she wasn't kidnapped for 10 years. by someone, but there's something even. weirder about like you're pranked. Like. you're the butt of someone's joke when. you pissed yourself and don't even know. these people. Like she's not in on the. joke at all. No, it's just so [ __ ] Lot of. comments. Someone I don't know what this. has to do with anything and maybe it's. like something culturally I don't. understand, but someone goes, "Is your. boyfriend from Kazakhstan?" And OP goes,

"No, he's eth ethnically from the Middle. East and I'm from Eastern Europe. Very. similar backgrounds, actually. We were. both born and raised in America. We are. both culturally and socially very. Western/ American.". >> Interesting. >> Yeah. So, I'm not sure. >> Is Kazakhstan like just out here. kidnapping people for fun all the time? Well, maybe it's like I cuz I have seen. another video of like a kidnap proposal. on Tik Tok because they had the CCTV. footage and I'm like maybe it's like a.

thing where. >> did it go well on that Tik Tok? >> Same same thing. >> Same thing. >> So take note guys like people do not. [ __ ] propose like this. >> No. >> This is terrifying. >> No. If or if you No. Yeah. Just. absolutely not. >> No. I have no comment. >> No. This is coming from r/ relationship. advice 10 days old. It is titled I think. that my 25 male wife 23 female thinks.

that I murdered her ex. >> Curiosity peaked, [ __ ] Let's Let's do. this. >> About a month ago, while out shopping, my wife and I ran into her high school. boyfriend and his mom on the street. It. was a slightly awkward encounter. His. mom made a comment about how good they. looked standing next to each other. Quote, "Like it was meant to be." We. said we were in a bit of a hurry. As we. were walking away, he said something. along the lines of quote, "Hey, we.

should grab coffee sometime.". >> All in front of her husband is crazy. That is so crazy. >> I didn't think too much of it at the. moment. Sure, his mom was awkward, but. they'd been broken up for about 7 years, and I do think he meant it to just be. friendly, but still, we had a quick. check-in after where we both agreed it. was awkward and that I wasn't too upset, and that I wouldn't even necessarily.

mind them meeting for coffee, provided. that it became clear if he still had. feelings or was making advances that she. would cut him out. She wasn't even sure. she wanted to take him up on it, so it. was all purely hypothetical. That evening, I met up with some friends. for drinks and was home by 1:00 a.m. That next morning, my wife got a message. from her friend that her ex had died. that night. >> Girl, you picked that night to come home.

at 1:00 a.m. Oh my god, you did it, [ __ ] You did it. I think you did it. We got a few more details over the next. couple of days, but it seemed he. suffered from epilepsy and that night in. a freak accident, had a seizure, fell, and hit his head. What does AF Aik mean? >> AF I A K. as [ __ ] as it sounds. I don't know. Oh. my god. I Okay, so he had a seizure.

>> Yeah. >> Oh, so. Okay, I'll keep listening. I always do. this where I'm like, "SO THEN WHY DOES. THE WIFE THINK HE DID IT?". >> As far as I know, there's no foul play. suspected or criminal investigation or. anything. >> Is that what it stands for? As far as I. know. >> Oh my god, that's the most exciting part. of the story so far. I'm like, I've. learned a new acronym. >> In the weeks since, she started acting. really strange. She hasn't been.

abnormally sad that he died, but more. like cautious and fearful around me. She She hasn't made any kind of direct. accusation, but had been asking me a lot. of questions where I went drinking with. my friends, who I was with, what time. each person arrived and left, etc. She's. lately mentioned that she wanted to. spend some time with a friend to catch.

up for about a week. I don't know how to. address this. It feels crazy to have to. ask her whether she thinks I murdered. him or to have to tell her that I. didn't. I'm even afraid to bring it up. and whether that would just feed into. whatever she seems to be going through. Any thoughts on how to deal with this? For the record, I didn't murder her ex. I mean, I think that's where you're. like, "Hey babe, you've been [ __ ].

weird this week since that happened. Do. you think I killed him?" Because that's. the vibe I'm starting to catch. >> I mean, can you imagine? You love. someone, you trust them enough to marry. them, and then like crazy, you know, tragedy happens, but you you think your. partner did it. What? >> Like why if you love some Why would you. think that your partner would kill your. high school boyfriend over saying like.

we should get coffee? I mean I feel like. if that's how like insane your partner. is that like you think they're capable. of that. There would have been other. signs that would make you feel like hey. red flag. >> Yeah. You would think. >> like if he's killed like a frog and then. like played around with it like you know. Jeffrey Dmer style I would be like okay. yeah I don't think he's off the suspect. list but like if he's just been kicking.

it this whole time and like he was. talking like yeah I mean I don't care if. you go and get coffee like no I don't. think he [ __ ] I think you just say. like hey girl what's going on? >> He seemed like very chill about their. encounter even with how weird it was. I. mean, the mom being like, "You two look. like you're meant to be. You look so. great.". >> No, the mom toddler and tearing them is. like crazy. >> I would have been like, "Okay, let me. just see myself out. Okay, I'll go I'll. go [ __ ] myself. Thanks." Like, what?

>> My question is, she acting weird because. she saw him again and now that he's. dead, she's realizing that maybe she had. feelings for him. >> Listen, the brain is on today. Inspector. Chris is in the office. >> He needs to talk to her. I mean, come. on. Just. >> every guy in these Reddit things are. like, I don't know. Like, should I talk. to her? And I'm like, hey, men, this is.

what we've been saying pretty much the. whole [ __ ] time. Communicate. >> Communicate. >> You feel like, what the [ __ ]. >> Communicate. Which is what the top. comment says. You don't need to ask her. that. You need to ask her why her. demeanor towards you has changed. All. caps. Communicate. >> God, men are so [ __ ] stupid. >> Next comment down. Communicate. And then. update us on how it went because I am.

invested. >> Yeah, I'm hoping that there's an update. >> Well, we have a little bit of an edit. No idea what it says, but let's see. Edit: Thanks for the feedback. Just. wanted to throw a quick update. I am. going to ask her when I get home from. work. I always knew it needed to be a. conversation. Just needed to hype myself. up to actually do it and figure out how. I wanted to approach it. We'll let you.

know how it goes. >> There's an update, right? >> That was 10 days ago. >> Oh my god. What if the girl killed him? Maybe she Oh my god. Wait, no. Okay, sorry. I'm getting very ahead of myself. I'm like creating like the next big. Paramount picture. >> There is no official update on the. account. >> What a blue ball. What the [ __ ]. >> Nothing. Um, just a couple comments.

about like how they got together. We got. together in university 4 years ago and. our first wedding anniversary is coming. up in about 3 months. >> They haven't even put their Oh my god. >> It's like their first year anniversary. and there's a murder suspect in it. I'm. crying. >> Um OP also says here, "I definitely. don't feel very secure in my. relationship at the moment. Physically. safe, sure. And for the record, I'm.

quite confident I didn't murder anybody. I was where I said I was and I'm like. 99% sure the bar I was at has security. cameras. I don't think I'm going to end. up on a true crime documentary anytime. soon. But divorced possibly. >> And he has the nerve to comment that but. not give us an update. >> You know what, sir? I take back my. advice. Go [ __ ] yourself. You can go. figure out how to handle this situation. on your own. What's the point of coming. on Beyonce's internet if you're not.

going to give us the [ __ ] update? It's been 10 days. If you haven't. communicated once in those 10 days, yeah, maybe you should just get a. divorce. I hate him. >> You tell them. You tell them. >> I did. I did. >> This one I um I'm disgusted. Absolutely disgusted. I found out my partner has been putting. slugs in my food. I don't know how to. forgive him.

I've almost heard enough. >> Yeah. So, trigger warnings they add. Um, food tampering, psychological emotional. abuse, don't read while eating slash if. you have a weak stomach. >> I, 22 female, have been with my partner, 24 male, for 4 years now. I have never. known him to do anything like this, but. I noticed he started acting a little. strange around a month, maybe a month. and a half ago. He started putting fruit. on the floor in the garden and I thought. it was a bit weird, but he said he was.

feeding the mice family and having. nested that have nested in our shed. So, I thought it was sweet and helped him do. so. Anyways, he started being really. nice to me around 2 weeks ago and making. me food, baking me cakes and stuff, which he never usually cooks ever. So, I. was so happy he found a hobby. I did. notice sometimes I felt sick and dizzy. after eating and I just put it down to. lack of sleep/ hormones. Anyways, a. friend of my partners came into my work.

today. I work at a cafe and said he. needed to speak to me when I was free. I. was free as there wasn't any customers. at this time. He told me that my partner has been. collecting slugs from the garden on. fruit he has been putting out and. putting them in my food, blending them. up. He sent this friend pictures of bags. of slugs that he had collected and the. pictures of blended slugs. I feel really sick to my stomach. I.

don't understand why he did this. This. is so out of character of him. I asked. him why he was doing it and he accused. me of snooping through his messages, which I would never do, and got so angry. at me for being not able to take a joke. I feel disgusting. I love him to pieces, but I just don't understand his ways of. thinking just now. Am I overreacting? I don't know what to do. I feel lost. >> Okay. Well, this.

I don't mean to laugh. >> Oh, poor girl. >> Because it's not funny. >> No, but it's like it's so. >> it's just so bizarre. It's like. >> the fact that he was like, "You can't. take a joke.". >> The gaslighting, >> bro. gaslighting. >> [ __ ] dude. You've been feeding me slugs. and you're you're mad that I can't take. you. >> There's some [ __ ] poisonous slugs out. there, dude. >> Bro, what the [ __ ] dog? Okay, first of.

all, >> dog. What the pack your [ __ ] up and. [ __ ] leave this, dude. That is the. most unhinged behavior I've ever [ __ ]. heard. Like at least, okay, this sounds. [ __ ] but like at least when someone's. trying to poison you, they like are very. direct about like they'll put like. arsenic in your [ __ ] or like bleach cuz. they they have a goal. >> Yeah. >> What's the goal of putting slugs in your. [ __ ] What's the [ __ ] goal? >> What is the goal? What's the goal here? Does he want to kill her?

>> That's so [ __ ] random. Like after 4. years, I thought they were going to say. like they'd only been together for like. a few months, so she doesn't really know. him that well. That would be like if my. boyfriend write because we've been. together for four years. That would be. like if he started feeding me slugs. In what universe? Like check him into a. [ __ ] hospital, [ __ ] I think. something is wrong. >> This is We have lots of updates on this. one. It doesn't get better, Drew. It. doesn't get better. >> It's not good. >> I can't wait to hear it.

>> It's not good. And I am just like I just. I. I will tell you right now like at the. end of the day this girl is okay. The. final update. >> that's good. That's all that matters. >> Yeah. The final update is like she's. safe, healthy, and alive. >> Okay. Good. Good. >> So, she goes on to say on the update, I. went to urgent care last night, early. hours of the morning, and waited and was. finally seen around 6:00 a.m.ish. I had. some tests and I have a high level of. meta. metahelide in my blood. I was kept in.

for monitoring and I have some ulcers in. my stomach. I was aware of this as I was. hospitalized about 2 months ago for a. burst ulcer. Originally thought it was. stress, but they now said it could be. because of the slug poisoning. I could have an infection of some kind. as my temperature is high, but they. haven't found anything that could be. causing that yet. They have checked my. heart and it is fine. I am due to have. heart surgery this year, though, so. they're delegating it due to ulcers and. infections and the fact I keep getting.

sick, which is okay. I have an. appointment to see my cardiologist on. the 20th of April. The [ __ ] slugs. gave her a heart condition. >> What? What? >> I contacted the police and wrote a. statement and asked some questions and. was asked some questions. Anyone who. knows me in real life, please don't post. mine or my partner's name as the police. said it would destroy the investigation. My ex refused to say anything to the. police or me. However, he did say he. would speak to his friend and only him. He then spoke to me. I was not alone. I.

was with a friend and his friend, too. He confessed to doing random experiments. on me/ tests starting a few months after. we moved in together. It started with. spitting on my toast. Then a week later, he replaced my proprianol beta blockers. with salt empty capsules. I want to add he was my medication. holder as I have a history of suicide. attempts so he handled my meds and gave. them to me and that's when he thought it. would be funny. He also admitted to.

these things swapping my Linda McCartney. vegetarian sausages with real meat. I. have IBS and struggle to digest meat so. I became a vegetarian. He also replaced my corn nuggets with. real ones. One of my pet giant African. land snails went missing in the summer. and I assumed it escaped and since I. left the lid open to the box, but he. said it had died. So, he scraped it out.

and put it in my curry. I vaguely. remember the day he did this as he. laughed whenever I went to eat the curry. and got really paranoid. So, I put it in. the kitchen and stormed off. He then. brought it upstairs and told me to taste. and I did and realized he added lots of. zilly and he said he was laughing. because he put chili powder in and too. much came out. Now I think he must have. put the chili in to cover the fact he. put my snail in there. >> What? >> He also said he rubbed my toothbrush on.

the toilet but then washed it as he. thought that was too far. >> What? >> I feel like this is all a dream. It just. seems too dramatic to feel real. I'm. unsure what is happening on the legal. front. He says he didn't know why he did. this and that he loves me truly and that. he felt compelled to do it, which I. understand as I suffer from OCD and get. compulsions/impulsions. and that he really loves taking care of. me and he feels it's his purpose and he. didn't mean to cause serious harm. He. promises he never did anything to our.

animals. I think he could just be. stressed as I have mental health issues. that could have caused something in him. to break from that much stress. I am. really sad and sorry for those who have. I caused concern. >> Sorry. Be sorry for yourself, girl. >> I want to kidnap her. >> Girl, I want to get her out of there. right now. >> That guy is not well. Like he that will. escalate towards. >> murder. >> Yeah. Like towards actually putting.

poison in your [ __ ] Like. >> murder. Yeah. You're a [ __ ] weirdo, bro. Like, also. snails. Like, why snails? Like. >> a pet snail. >> Also, that is just like that's just like. Yeah, that's like serial killer [ __ ]. Like, genuinely, to like. >> and who knows if it actually died. Like, he probably killed it. Yeah, I think he. killed it. >> I agree. >> By putting it in a boiling pot of stew. >> Oh my god, >> bro. What? Can you imagine? Like the.

craziest thing is. moving in with someone that you're like. so certain you know like forwards and. backwards. You're like, "Oh, I know this. person so well." And they just moved in. together, which means they've been. together for a long time. But then, see, it's the same pattern where she's like, "Oh, well, maybe this is on me, >> girl. He tried to kill you, so no, that's not on you. It's okay.". >> No. And also the fact that she has a. history of mental illness just kind of. shows that he was taking advantage of. her for god knows what reason. Yeah,

>> I think he's a sociopath. That's what I. think it is. >> I would agree. I think there's something. going on. Even her being like, "Oh, my. own mental illnesses could have. triggered this." Like. >> that could be the case. But just because. someone is mentally ill, doesn't mean. they can [ __ ] poison and try to kill. you. Like, dude, there are plenty of. mentally ill people in the world that. are not trying to kill their partners. secretly. Also, to get slugs is there's. a fair amount of premeditation in that. >> That. >> like to to to plan that out and be like.

this would be so cool. Like, >> you got to be real [ __ ] loose between. the ears if you're like planning on how. you're going to catch snails to blend. up. And then you like teach yourself to. cook so that you can put these snails in. your girlfriend's food. That's [ __ ]. weird. >> My mouth is hanging open. Like the. premeditation, the. >> literally. >> the fact that he like he probably had to. research how to get slugs,

>> how to like coax them out. And then and. then the fact she was like, "Oh, what. are you doing with the fruit? Oh, I'm. feeding the neighborhood mice.". >> He's like, "Oh, when when she asked me. what I'm doing, this is what I'm going. to say.". >> Yeah. >> And then he gets her to like help him. poison her. It's not funny. Like I'm not laughing. cuz it's funny, but I'm laughing cuz. it's just unhinged. >> It's so deranged. >> It's just It sounds so not real. >> Like she said, like it is so batshit, crazy dramatic, but all you can do is is. kind of laugh. >> Yeah. Because they're like in what.

universe does that happen? Like that's. why I said like when people try to like. kill you, like when partners try to kill. each other in those like domestic. situations where they try to poison, it's real to the point. >> But like slugs, that's like a slow burn. Like how long has he been doing that? Like and for how long did he plan to do. that? Like where did he think about. snail? There's just so many questions. that I would have. >> other than like so many. >> And right back to therapy. Go right back. to therapy. >> Straight to therapy.

>> There you go. Right. >> Straight to a gel. I'm glad you're okay, girl. >> Oh my I know. >> I hope you get better. >> Yeah, the final update is like literally. the title is I am alive. Hello everyone. Sorry for those who I didn't get to. message back. My messages have been so. full. I am alive but I have been sick. with Corona virus. Thank you for those. who have reached out to me. You have. made me feel less alone. >> Damn. Can't catch a break. >> No. Poor girl. >> I know. Like every update is like so. sad. Like there's one more where she's. just like, "I'm having a really really. hard relationship with food after my.

partner was like contaminating it.". >> So now she's like scared to eat. everything. >> Yeah. Like it's like he kindled an. eating disorder probably because of her. food aversion now. >> 100%. >> Which is understandable, dude. That's. [ __ ] wild. Like just what a. >> I don't know. Like I I guess like if I. were her too, other than like the. initial trauma, I would be wondering why. >> that happened now. Like why now? >> Of all the years that we've been. together, like that would probably be. the hardest thing for me to deal with.

would be like why now? Like of all. times. Like why now? And why would you. do this to me of all people? >> Oh my god. 4 years. >> Yeah, man. Oh my god. >> You think you know someone and then like. year four like she said like it started. a month after they moved in together, but it's like still like year four like. you know that person. >> You're deeply invested. >> Yeah. Absolutely. Like that's why I'm. saying like you move in with the. confidence and conviction of like I know. this person very well. So everything's. going to be fine. It's gonna be the same. thing as like when we were living in two. separate places. >> Just to find out he's a [ __ ] psycho.

Oh girl, I'm glad you're okay. >> Yeah. >> And you know what? You take care of. yourself before you get into another. relationship. >> Oh my god. Yeah, definitely. Like I hope. she's still not with him and they're. like, I feel bad. He's. >> Yeah. And I hope he goes to [ __ ]. prison for attempted murder. >> Charges need to be pressed. >> Yeah, he absolutely could go for. attempted murder, especially if she. develops illnesses from that. >> Oh my god. Especially like long like. long lasting illnesses. >> Yeah. Well, if the slugs were the reason. she developed a cardio problem, like.

dude, >> girl, get that lawsuit. >> Get get it. Get it. >> The least you could do is get some money. out of it. That's for sure. >> Oh my god. I would be going after this. man. This man would be crippled. >> Absolutely. >> With a lawsuit. >> and in [ __ ] prison, the psych ward. because he needs help. >> He truly does need help. And like I. think what you said too isn't like you. hit the nail on the head. Having a. mental illness does not make you a bad. person. >> and like we don't know if he does have. one at all. >> So at this point he is just clearly.

unhinged. >> Yeah. Actually though like like. genuinely like you need to be behind. bars cuz you're a danger to yourself and. others. >> He is a menace to society. >> Yeah. Absolutely. In like a very literal. sense. >> Yes. >> Like oh my god girl. I hope you're good. The top comment on this one is like it's. a summary post from the best of Reddit. updates and someone comments, "We had a. local story here about a guy who ate a. slug on a dare. He ended up dying after. a long and pretty horrible illness." And. then they link the story.

>> Terrifying. >> I know. And then the next comment goes, "Also, he made her eat her pet snail. Snails are intermediate hosts for a. bunch of parasites. Yeah, >> he could have killed her. >> if it's not already in the process. because he was doing it for God knows. how long. >> Dude, oh my god, that's that's like. terrifying. That's like that [ __ ] you. see in like murder mystery like. documentaries. Yeah. You know, like on. snapped or something. >> Oh my god. This is what you would see. >> This is a true crime waiting to happen.

>> Actually though, >> oh my god. I hope you're a good girl. I. hope you take care of yourself. >> My god, people are [ __ ] insane. Like actually. >> that [ __ ] bonkers. >> We do have an update on the story. I. found out my partner has been putting. slugs in my food. I don't know how to. forgive him. >> Oo, that one was wild. >> That one was terrible. >> Yeah, >> absolutely terrible. >> Especially what what slugs can do to a. person. >> They can kill a person. Like so many.

people were commenting on the YouTube on. that one just being like this is so. dangerous. People can literally die from. eating slugs. They have died. some I. think it was a man that ate a slug as a. part of like a challenge and he ended up. dying. >> Wow. >> So, I don't think I read this, but it. goes on to say, "Just found a jar of. four slugs under the sink. My partner. must have forgot about. I think they are. dead, so can be old ones, but I feel. physically sick." And then she actually. posted a picture of the slugs.

>> Oh my god, >> the slugs are the most disgusting thing. I've ever seen. And he was putting those. in her food. >> What the [ __ ]. >> This is This is not just compulsion. impulsion. This is This is like serial. killer serious stuff. This is serial. killer. >> Yeah. So that was it. It was just that. title. I feel physically sick. And then. a picture of the slugs. >> Um OP, please update us. Tell us you. dumped him and went to a doctor. And OP. goes, I have left him at the doctor now. It's very busy, so I haven't been seen.

yet. >> Oh, she's real real up real updates. >> Yeah. Yeah. I'm just reading comments. She was she was very in it. Um in the. comments many are asking if she had gone. to a doctor. She has and has revealed. that he did more than feed the slugs. >> And then people are just like please. stop blaming yourself this and that. So. in the comments somewhere on that post, OP says this. Hi, he was diagnosed with. ASPD yesterday and admitted everything. to me and how I was his way of looking. normal to the outside world. He.

manipulated me by giving me everything I. wanted as a bipolar disorder sufferer. Love, affection, compliments. Um, ASPD, for those that don't know, is antisocial. personality disorder. >> Got it. I actually didn't know, so I was. going to ask. >> Um, he began testing me emotionally at. first with cheating to see how I would. react, but I forgave him and then began. with food and stuff to see how long. until I got sick. I'm still baffled. The. person I knew, I never really knew at. all. He is a psychopath and he gives.

ASPD sufferers a bad name. >> He knew I was vulnerable due to my. mental and physical illnesses. He became. my carer but was torturing me at the. same time and I was unaware of any of. this. He rescued me from an abusive. situation and then put me into a new. one. That is how he works. Oh, that is. that is so scary. And that is actually a. good point because red flag. If you are. in a really abusive situation and you. meet a guy who you feel like rescues you.

from that, be weary. Just that's all I got to say. Put your guard up. >> Put your guard up. >> I And I get like being in a bad. situation and needing help, but like. someone coming in playing a white knight. like. >> Yeah. like rescuing you and then like. instantly having like Yeah. like. romantic love bombing all that soulmate. >> Yeah. Just be a little weary. It could. be real. It could be totally true and. everything could be great, but it could. be this slug situation. So, keep your. guard up. Keep your guard up so you. don't eat a [ __ ] slug. Yeah, this is.

so crazy. So, next post was titled, "I'm. struggling to eat. Fear of food/no. appetite. I recently left a weird. relationship was with where my partner. was contaminating my food, etc. Anyways, ever since I have struggled to eat. I. moved into a ground flat and sometimes I. will find slugs around the house. I am. terrified of them. I keep throwing food. away because I don't know what the slugs. have gone on. I'm scared of getting. sick. I can't cope or breathe right now. I've tried everything to stop slugs. getting in. Copper tape, salt, non-toxic.

pellets, but they still somehow find. their way into my flat. I feel like. nature is tormenting me. Any advice, please? I have tried speaking to my. doctor, but they won't really listen, and the doctor I see said it was a good. thing, as I was overweight. Anyways, I. was just discharged from the mental. health team I was currently on. The [ __ ]. did the doctor just. >> [ __ ] that doctor? >> What the hell? >> Drop D drop the drop the clinic. >> Oh my god. >> We ride at dawn.

>> I hate when medical professionals that. are supposed to be super trustworthy say. some [ __ ] like that. >> Absolute [ __ ]. >> Absolute [ __ ] No one should get fat. shamed at the doctor. >> Absolutely not. If anything, it's like. he should be like, "Hey, like there's. healthy ways to do XYZ." That's great. healthy advice, but don't be like, "Oh, you can't eat because you were tormented. by slugs before." That's good. Good for. you. >> Well, like. >> be happy about that. What the [ __ ]. >> I just watched an episode of or a clip.

of um it's the show about the two. sisters, like my 600 lb or like, lb. sisters or something. It's um about two. sisters and they're just they're very. overweight and unhealthy. and um they were at a dietitian's office. like trying to get advice or get a. opinion whatever it was and the. dietitian goes how much water do you. drink and they go water? We don't drink. water. We drink pop. Our mom our mom. told us water was bad.

>> Oh no. >> And the dietitian like was like very. surprised. You could tell she was. surprised but she didn't them like shame. them. She was just like, "Oh, well, okay. Well, you should be drinking. water. Like, water is not bad for you. Like, we need to get more water." It. wasn't like. Also, love the pop reference and not. soda. >> I know people are going to be confused. In Minnesota, we say pop instead of soda. just so that we don't confuse people. with thinking we're talking about. Minnesota.

>> Yeah, that was a that was a joke. It was. a really bad one. >> Yeah, I didn't get it. >> No, we don't say soda because it sounds. like Minnesota. Oh, >> people people use soda as talking about. Minnesota. You don't hear that? >> No, I've never heard that one. >> You've never heard people say soda as. Minnesota? >> Yeah, like it's a clothing brand. >> There we go. Yeah. So, I'm saying that's. why we say pop, but it's a it was a bad. joke. So, I'm going to run that back. All right, let's move along. >> So, next post is I am alive. Hello everyone. Sorry for those who I.

didn't get to message back. My messages. have been so full. I am alive but have. been sick with Corona virus. Thank you. for those who reached out to me. You all. made me feel less alone. I hope everyone. is well. And then her account is super. super super active. So, as of yesterday, they're still commenting on different. posts throughout Reddit, very engaged in. other things um and commenting their. advice to try to help other people. A.

>> So, it's really it's really great to see. like they're good. Um, very active in. mental health communities it looks like. based on her comments. Very active on. the glitch in the matrix community. Um, just all good things for her. So, happy. update. Hopefully, you know, with a. diagnosis, he can get the help he needs. because, you know, when you date. someone, you're you're putting a lot of. faith in them and you're trusting them. And he was able to play it off like he.

was a good guy taking care of her and lo. and behold was poisoning her. So, >> I'm not very familiar with that. diagnosis, >> antisocial personality disorder. >> So, I'm just going to do the Google. definition because my brain won't do it. justice. People with ASPD may not understand how. to behave towards others. Their behavior. is often disrespectful, manipulative, or. reckless. >> Management of ASPD can include. medication or psychotherapy. A lot of people show symptoms in.

childhood, but may not be diagnosed. until adolescence or adulthood. They. tend to lie, break laws, act. impulsively. And this is WebMD, so. obviously this may be the exception and. not the rule, but um lack regard for. their own safety or the safety of. others. Um so, >> oh, I can't believe I've never heard of. this before. >> People with it often struggle to develop. or maintain meaningful relationships, and they may cause emotional harm to. their partners, but it's still possible.

for people with ASPD to feel love and. empathy, often for a select few people, such as children, partners, or close. family members. Um, I don't know a lot. about it either. It's not something I've. really worked with. I've worked with u. mostly bipolar and schizophrenia. >> But that's that one. >> Okay. So, this one is 2 months old. Coming from r/am I the X. Um, it's a. community crossost when people don't. realize or can't accept that they've. been dumped by their romantic partner.

Unsure if the story actually fits in the. sub based on the title though. 36 male, 33 female. He thinks he isn't obligated. to tell me about his criminal record. Trigger warning, necrilia. I recently found out that my husband was. convicted before we met. Four of all the. things in this world, necrilia. Yes, really. I've been utterly disgusted and. in shock. Wait, I'm sorry. Necrilia. So, for those.

that aren't familiar with the term. necrilia, sexual intercourse with or attraction. towards corpses. Oh, what? No. Wow. I've heard of that before. I didn't. know that was the word. When I. confronted him about it, plus also never. bothering to say anything, all he would. say was that was the past and it didn't. matter to the present because he. wouldn't do it again. I asked had he. ever thought I might want to know. something like that or that he'd want to.

know it about me or anyone else he was. thinking of marrying. He said he wasn't. obligated to share anything about his. past, including this. I didn't even know. what to say to how insane that was. The. whole time he was nothing but defensive. and angry at me for daring to have a. problem with it. So, like, tell me, am I. controlling and entitled and everything. else he accused me of? Of course, you. have the right to know about any.

serious, perverted criminal history your. partner has and owe your partner the. same honesty. That's common sense and. basic trust, is it not? I can't believe. this was even an argument I needed to. have. >> Yeah. Well, it's obviously not. He. doesn't He's just defensive because what. else? He's in How could Yeah. Basically, I almost feel like I was. tricked into this relationship and. marriage because I never got the chance. to let it be the deal breaker. It would. have been, >> if that makes sense. And I'm certain he.

knew it would have been. And that's. exactly why he hid it. So, what the [ __ ]. now? I'm married and 8 months pregnant. I'm [ __ ] I either blow up my life. with the man I fell in love with or I. find a way to work through this somehow. What should I do? How did I get him to. realize he should have been upfront. early on about something everyone knows. would be a dealbreaker for most people? He'll Exactly. He's never going to admit. that. Why would he ever tell anyone that.

because he knows that it is a deal. breakaker? You know what I mean? Like. it's like she's like, "How do I get him. to realize that?" He's not going to. because he knows that she'd be gone and. then he wouldn't be have this child on. the way. So, it's like the most I I. mean, honestly, for me, that's it's such. it's not a non-starter or like it's a. immediate exit. He says it's the past, but that is. something that is terrifying to me. I. would leave immediately because that's. something that sounds.

that's that's what what's the guy who. was on Netflix that had a show about. him? Was it Dmer that you like was that. would have sex with? >> I'm not sure. I couldn't get through. Dmer. Yeah, I didn't either, but I just. know that there was, you know, one of. those people that would literally like. his victims, he would he would do that. so that he could have sex with them. afterwards. >> Yeah. So, that to me, I would be. terrified. It would. >> I'm like nauseous. >> Yeah. It wouldn't even just be like that. nauseous alone cuz that's the, you know, obviously a part of it, but it would be.

that I'd be terrified. So, I would I. would dip out. I I just wouldn't be able. to do it. Like, that's something. >> I would be done. >> Is did he give any background into what. happened? Like, how do you even get into. that situation? How did So, did he just. like go into a I just don't. >> I know. Like, literally, stop in your. tracks. Do not proceed. >> Yeah. Okay. So, this was a crossost. It. originally came from a relationship. advice 2 months ago. >> Okay. >> Um, the top comment is, I think there's.

plenty of offenses people can come back. from or at least explain away, but. necroilia isn't one of them. Was it one. time? Is that what they what he's he's. saying? Not like it matters, but I'm. just out of curiosity. >> Yeah. Let me see. So, there are still. comments from OP up on their account. Um, I will just read this original. comment on the repost that they like. really highlight. Um, there is an edit. from OP July 29. I couldn't sleep in the. same bed with him. I went to a hotel and.

still couldn't sleep. I just lay awake. crying and thinking all night, I'm going. to divorce him because I know I'll never. forget this, nor should I. What the [ __ ]. is wrong with him? And who did I even. marry? Today, I'm going to find a lawyer. and find someone I can stay with. I. can't reply to so many comments, but. will try to read at least responses to. mine. Thank you more than I can say to. everyone who took the time to try and. help. I will do everything in my power. to make sure my baby is safe from him. Um, so the repost highlights this one. In the comments, she mentions he worked.

at a hospital with access to a morg and. it was done to a 60-year-old man. Commenters pointed out that for anything. minor and maybe forgivable, the charge. would have been abuse of a corpse while. necrilia is specific pretty to sexual. penetration. So, he got caught because there's. cameras or not doesn't mention in this. comment. It goes on to say, "It was a. misdemeanor in his state." Apparently,

that's common. What the [ __ ] The crime. was found when her judges All My. Relationships mother did a background. check. OP is sick to her stomach. >> Sorry. OP's mother did a background. check. >> Yeah. >> What did she have a feeling? >> I don't know. So, lots of lots of. comments from OP. Apparently, there's. like a lot of people just trying to like. dig into this. um what about the. experience like made him not decide to. do it again like they really wanted to. know like what was the thought process.

behind this and that's where OP shares. like he used to work in a hospital with. morg access he doesn't know why he did. it except being young and stupid he said. it was a mistake wow. uh so someone does share I also. discovered an extremely disturbing sex. crime of my ex-husbands and learned all. this through therapy it will be okay. once you leave him and have that step. back. You will admit many other issues. related to this directly or indirectly. that are bothersome to you about this.

man. It will be okay for you and your. child, but leave him. It's seriously. deviant. >> Yeah. >> And um OP goes, "What had your husband. done and how did you find out? What are. some examples of issues I might realize. related to it?". >> There's no response from that commenter. >> Someone goes, "Not adding to your pain, but just something to think about. Was. it a dead body of a child? See, we don't. even know the disgusting details. I. don't think you'd want to raise a child. with this. >> sociopath, >> right? >> And OP goes, "No, it was a man in his.

60s." Both of those are also freaking me. out, but obviously way less important. compared to the obvious. >> Yeah, of course. But yeah, but it is it. is an add-on because it's just like. unless he's bisexual, it is kind of. like, okay, wait, why did you choose a. man if you only like women? Why did why. why did the whole thing happen? It's. just it's all so. >> young and dumb. No rational, healthy, sane person would. ever choose to have sex and violate a. corpse, to rape a corpse. How young is.

he saying? >> It doesn't mention from what I'm seeing. There is context that they've been. married about a year and a half, were. together for two years before. >> So, three and a half years should be. real easy to move on, especially given. this info. sucks that you have a child with this. person. Yeah. And I'm trying to I'm. trying to picture if there's even an age. that's young enough to it being like. that. That's Yeah. Just being a dumb. young idiot. But like I I really can't.

like there no matter what age you are. It's a red flag. Yeah. Well, and someone. goes, "Did he legit have sex with a dead. body? We need more details. Also, has he. given you an explanation as to why he. [ __ ] a corpse?" No, he raped a dead. person. >> Yeah. Wild. >> And OP goes, quote, "I was young and. stupid. I [ __ ] up." Okay. His words, he literally would not explain more. I'm not seeing a mention of an age. I mean, he's 36 now. >> Mhm.

>> It just it definitely feels like. sociopathic behavior in in all the. details. I don't even know like the true. definition right now. Like my DSM5 is. escaping my brain, but holy [ __ ] Like I. would not be able to trust my child with. this person. >> No. And it's like to be that sick and. twisted. I wonder is is she able to take. full custody? I'm sure given that. criminal record. I'm But because it was. a misdemeanor in the state that he. received it, it.

>> it's really it's really interesting that. it was Yeah, that's messed up. >> It's also interesting that like a crime. like that doesn't put you on a sex. offender registry. >> Yeah. to where she would have found out. based on like, hey, you can't live in. this neighborhood without notifying your. neighbors. Like, it it's wild how. certain things like this slip through. the cracks. >> Yeah, >> this is crazy. >> Okay,

>> my aranged family revealed that my. loving, familyoriented dad was a. monster. And this is coming from the subreddit. True Off my chest. M. >> so they're not looking for advice or. anything, just kind of like getting. stuff out there. >> Growing up, my friends would always say. that my brother and me had the coolest. parents. They were the laidback but. still involved mom and dad parents. I. was especially close to my dad and. thought he was the best dad ever, but he. made a Hot Wheels dollhouse by hand for. my birthday. To give you an example,

when I wanted to be a Supergirl, my mom. hand sewed me a costume for Halloween. My parents are a physically affectionate. couple, too. and my brother and I. thought it was gross when we were kids, but now we realize that being in your. 40s and still in love is a miracle. >> My parents are immigrants and because of. that, we were never really close to. their families who lived in their home. country. But recently, my brother and I. got in touch with some cousins on my. mom's side on our own and got to know. them. They were awesome and really.

chill. My aunts and uncles and. grandparents were a little stiff, but. they were nice. They only wanted to hear. about what us and our mom were up to and. not my dad. So, I kind of got frustrated. and kept mentioning my dad. Finally, my. cousins said if we didn't stop talking. about our dad, our parents wouldn't let. them talk to us anymore. None of our. cousins knew what was going on either or. why they hated our dad so much. So, they. all started asking around and digging. into family stuff. I thought it was.

going to be something stupid like class. differences or my grandparents not. approving of my dad for some reason. But. we found out the truth and it was a lot. worse than what we imagined. My cousins. found a single short newspaper article. from a digital archive about it. When my. dad was young, he kidnapped a university. student and kept her for a bit. He was a. minor, so he didn't get named or get. real punishment or like anything on his.

record. I can't look at my dad the same. way again or my mom. Why would my mom. marry someone who literally kidnapped. and hurt a person? My parents have. noticed something off with us, but I. don't even know how to bring it up. >> Oh my god, we have an update. Oh my god, I have so. many feelings that I I just don't know. what I would do. That this is like my. worst fear cuz my dad is amazing and. everyone always tells me how like kind. of a dad he is and so I'm always like.

what if one day I just find out that he. has like another family. >> It's like my worst fear. It's like. unlocking a trauma. >> Oh my god. So there I'm also reading. this off of like the best of Reddit. updates. So there's a relevant comment. from the original poster that basically. says, "It's okay if you don't believe. me. It's kind of an unbelievable, horrible thing to happen. Um, so my. cousins know more about this stuff than. me or my brother since they actually. speak the language and talk to my aunts. and uncles about it. One of my aunts.

made a few kind of vague statements. about what happened, like him being bad. as a teen. And my cousin searched for. what she talked about and they found the. article and asked her about it and she. basically confirmed I don't know why he. did what he did. The article was really. short, only a few lines in their native. language. It just said he kidnapped a. university student and kept her. Basically, the victim was a student at a. university, so she had to be at least 19. or 20 from what my cousin said. So, she. was a woman, not like a girl. I don't. know what to think. My cousins don't. know much more than me since the older.

generation has kept it hush hush. Update. So, I tried to bring it up to my. dad, but I couldn't. It would really. hurt to accuse him of being a monster if. he had literally done nothing wrong. because it meant that I actually thought. he could be capable of doing something. like this. So, I decided to talk to my. mom first. I told my mom everything and. she kind of started to justify it, saying that my dad was young, stupid, was in love, and was mentally all over. the place. And then she slipped up and.

said, quote, "He didn't hurt me." And I. told her. >> she was a university student. Ah, sorry. And I told her, quote, I thought we were. talking about the student he kidnapped. and she kind of became really quiet. She. said she had to go and left the room and. then a couple hours later called me and. my brother down to talk to us with my. dad. My dad said he knows we know and. that it was a horrible thing to do and. he regrets it and he was forgiven, but.

didn't say much otherwise. I asked them. what happened. And my brother told me he. didn't want to talk about this. And long. story short, this is what went down. She. was a student at a university an hour. and a half walk away from her home. But. she usually stayed in the dorms. Their. university had stuff like curfews for. women and strict rules. And she was. pretty sheltered in other ways even. though she was a legal adult. She was. going home for the holidays and it was. raining. My dad came up to her and. struck up a conversation and offered her.

a ride home on his motorcycle. He was. wearing his school uniform and he looked. pretty harmless, so she thought it was. safe, but he took her to his house. instead. He wouldn't let her leave and. she didn't know how to get home. My dad. didn't hurt her or threaten her, but he. might have done stuff that scared her. And when the maid came, she saw an. opportunity and escaped. And then my dad. was arrested, but he got slapped with a. few months of juvie, but a clean adult. record, which is how he was able to come.

to the US. >> She visited him to figure out why he. would do this. And then stuff happened. I kept asking my dad why he would do. this, but he just being stupid and. selfish and didn't realize that it was. scary to her. My mom said what's done is. done and that they got over it. And now. my mom and dad are in love and happy and. that we could go to individual therapy. to deal with it further if we wanted. My. brother said it didn't matter anymore. and he wishes we didn't know at all. I. can't look at my parents the same way.

again. And honestly, I agree with my. brother. I regret talking with my. cousins and I think my estranged family. have a right to avoid my family for what. my dad did. >> I think therapy is a great start. I. think no matter no matter what go to. therapy. >> I love therapy. >> Unpack it. Maybe therapy will tell them. give them more guidance. >> We need a professional here. >> Yeah, that this calls for therapy. I I. think that's undoubted here. But I don't. know. I mean, what's the option? You. can't forgive your dad and therefore you.

cut off your parents or you go through. therapy and you heal these bad feelings. that might you might have towards your. dad and you live happily ever after and. your whole family is happy and healthy. >> Yeah. I feel like there's more to it. >> That's cuz the family seems kind of. >> the family that doesn't want anything to. do with the dad seems very upset. >> So, it almost seems like there's. something more that maybe we're not. getting. >> Yeah. So, this has flown very under the. radar. It was posted 10 days ago. It's. from true off my chest. Like I said, has.

only 83. >> up votes. >> So, the top comment has only 47 up. votes. This is all very odd. There must. be something missing between your mother. forgiving him and her family hating him. Holy [ __ ] Are you a psychic? >> I don't know. I'm I'm just intuitive. tonight. >> What is the country in which this. happened? >> My ex-mother-in-law was kidnapped by her. chauffeur and kept in the shed for 3. days. No further violence, no sexual. advances. Then she married him. Why? To.

save face. Can't disappear with your. chauffeur for 3 days without juicy. rumors. This was in the Philippines in. the province late 70s. Someone else. goes, "Oh yes, the save face reason.". >> What does that mean? >> I guess like. she Well, >> in cultures where like if your daughter. ran off with a man, she's ruined like. you can't no one would marry her at that. point because. >> Oh, >> everyone assumes. >> Yeah.

>> That's so sad. >> Yeah. It's It's crazy. So, someone. comments, "Oh, man. I'm so sorry you had. to discover this. I have no clue what I. would do if my parent had done something. like that. I think there would be a. sense of distrust or betrayal. Parents. should be safe spaces. Somewhere you can. go when you need to feel protected, comforted. Learning something like this. will for would forever change my. perspective on my parents for the worse. I really hope you can overcome this. mental block. OP does respond and goes,

"It feels unreal. Like this is my dad. He tucked me into bed as a kid and told. me how to be safe and drove me home from. parties and was literally my rock. And. knowing that he's literally capable of. kidnapping a woman off the streets is. insane to me. And knowing that my mom. came up with this BS excuse that he. didn't hurt her so it was fine when she. admitted she was terrified because he. literally kidnapped her and she had no. idea what he was capable of. I don't. know. My head's not screwed right now. >> Those are all valid points. I think you.

start to use your imagination and you. start to kind of like wonder and think. of like the worst case and you start to. like get very colorful with it. So I get. how that would be really kind of. traumatizing and I can empathize with. that. I'm not at all saying like get. over it or anything like that. I think. that that's No, it's totally totally. trauma. >> Yeah. And it is I'm I'm putting myself. in those shoes and I keep trying to. picture my dad. >> doing that and it would definitely shake. me because I have such a high standard. of my dad. I have such a like positive.

image of him. He's never done anything. malicious to anybody. So then to hear. that story would like it would rock me a. little bit. >> The OP responds so so much on this. update. Dad was 16 and mom was 20. >> Okay. >> Uh he lived with his grandpa and my. great grandpa who was always out of the. country. His side of the family was very. well off. Nobody was home because it was. the holidays and the servants also got. time off. The maid came in the morning. to either pick stuff up or drop off and.

my mom crawled out of a window. >> Wow. >> There's one more comment from OP that. stands out. My parents were always super. supportive of me. One time this boy was. making me uncomfortable in middle school. and the teacher told me to ignore him. My dad marched up to the principal and. made them move him to a different home. room. He's always had my back. Never. judged me for clothes or partying or. makeup. My mom knew everything about my. boyfriends. They let me live my life. That's what's so hard. If I got. kidnapped, they'd go nuclear, >> but they can justify their own.

relationship. At least my mom can. >> That is a very interesting take. >> And maybe they're that they were that. hard on that boy because of his history. >> Exactly. >> And he's like, I did that. I'm not going. to let my daughter go through that. >> Yeah. Cuz he feels so much guilt. I. don't know. Lot to unpack. >> A lot. A lot a lot to unpack. >> We're like playing detectives here. Okay, friends. This next story is coming. from an episode with Michaela titled. We're All Spiraling. It was a story.

about a woman writing in, "Am I the. [ __ ] for leaving my boyfriend?" for. no reason. She comes to find out that. he's actually been tampering with her. food. So, this story does need a trigger. warning for food tampering, cheating, spreading STDs, and it does contain. talks of suicide. So, if you can't. handle that today, please skip to the. next one. Am I the [ __ ] for leaving. my boyfriend for no reason? H I, 26 female, have been with my now.

ex-boyfriend, Eric, 28 male, for 2. years. Overall, we had a good. relationship. Nothing crazy until last. night when things completely fell apart. We were out at a bar with some of his. friends, just having a normal night. Drinks, food, the usual. Eric and his. friend Mark, 28 male, were joking around. and Eric made a comment about how much. Mark was eating. Something like, "Careful, Mark. You'll eat the whole.

damn bar." It seemed harmless at first, just typical guy humor. >> Mhm. >> But then Mark looked right at me and. said, quote, "If she only knew." It was. one of those moments where you instantly. feel uncomfortable, like there's. something going on behind your back. I. had no idea what Mark was talking about. And the whole vibe at the table shifted. But before I could even react, Eric, my. boyfriend, exploded. He went off on. Mark, screaming at him to shut the [ __ ]. up and even tried to get physical. His.

other friends had to hold him back. Mark. didn't really react, which only made. Eric angrier. The whole thing was. awkward as hell, and we ended up leaving. early. When we got back to my place, I. couldn't stop thinking about that. comment. So, I asked Eric, quote, "What. the hell did Mark mean by if she only. knew?" What don't I know? And instead of. just answering me like a normal person, Eric lost it again. He started yelling. at me, telling me to drop it, and stop.

being paranoid. He was dodging every. question, getting more pissed every time. I brought it up. I wasn't trying to pick. a fight. I just wanted to know what was. going on. It felt like there was. something important being hidden from. me, and I wasn't about to let it slide. But every time I asked, he'd just get. more defensive and angry. >> I'm riveted. What was it? >> Finally, he stormed out of my apartment. He doesn't live with me, so I locked the. door and called it a night. I didn't.

hear from him until this morning. And. when I did, it was just more angry texts. telling me to drop it and leave him. alone. At that point, I was done. I'm. not going to sit around and be treated. like I'm crazy for asking a simple. question. I texted him back saying, "We're done. I need space. And if he. can't be honest with me, then I don't. want any part of this relationship." End. of story. Now, here's where it gets. worse. He's been going around to our. mutual friends telling them that I left. him for no reason and trying to make it.

seem like I'm the one who overreacted. Some of them have even reached out to me. saying I should have just let it go and. that I'm blowing things out of. proportion. I told them to mind their. own [ __ ] business. I don't care what. they think. None of them were there in. that moment. None of them saw how he. acted. And none of them have to live. with the pit in their stomach that I've. had since that weirdass comment from. Mark. >> Mhm. >> I'm not about to stay in a relationship. where I feel like something shady is. going on behind my back. If Eric can't.

be straight with me after two years. together, then what's the point? So, Reddit, am I the [ __ ] for leaving him. over this? No. I mean, yeah, if someone. was to break it down to just like, she. left me because I wouldn't tell her what. my friends meant. I guess I could see. why they would react like, "Oh, she left. him for no reason." But I feel like it's. the way that the. >> the conversations went after that. And I. would fall for that probably if someone.

was like, "You're being paranoid." I. would probably be like, "You know what? Yeah, I probably I I would probably. >> I would probably be I'd like to think. that now I've changed, but I've. definitely been successfully gas lit in. those situations so many times. >> There's nothing going on. No. No. That. girl that I was making out with at the. bar the other weekend. No, it was a. misunderstanding. Oh, I was like easily. convinced that my boyfriend's phone. battery said 12% usage on Tinder this. week cuz he had a glitch. It was a.

glitch. I was like, "Okay, okay. >> Why do we do this to ourselves, you. guys? Why? >> Wait." Okay. What What was it? I need to. know what it was. >> Yeah. So, top comment, not the [ __ ]. Between keeping secrets and the acting. apeshit, it sounds like this experience. was the nail in the coffin from some. previous red flags. and the fact that. it's if she only knew, like she wasn't. in the conversation at all. So, it's. clear that whatever this is, it's.

something that she would have feelings. about or like it's something that would. potentially bother her, you know, like. for the friend to be like, if she only. knew, I'd be like, what? Like, what what. is it? This is something I would feel. strongly about, then what is it? >> That's very ominous. And like I mean. Mark was like clearly offended by the. comment. like careful Mark, you'll eat. the whole damn. >> aggressive. And then for Mark to then be. like he felt attacked so then he's going. to lowball Eric with if she only knew.

>> and Eric could have just played a cool. like haha. >> Right. Then it wouldn't have bothered. her so much. >> It never would have been a thing. It. would have gone maybe over her head or. just like a boys being boys like. bantering with each other. >> Yeah. But the way Eric reacted, blowing. up, getting physical, trying to get. physical, having to have friends hold. him back. >> Yeah. >> That doesn't add up. Like that comment. from Mark doesn't equal that reaction. from Eric. I think it's one of those. situations where when you're in it, you. have this gut feeling about it of like.

this reaction, like you know your. partner, you know the way that they. react to things, you know, like their. little movements. And I think she had an. intuition and like a gut feeling that. the way he's reacting to this is. something that like is a big deal and it. wasn't normal. I've never seen him act. like this. Clearly there's something. here. And then not only that, but then. to have all of these attempts at. gaslighting her after that instead of. just being like honestly.

>> this is something that is really. embarrassing from my past and I am not. ready to share this with you or. something like that cuz clearly that's. the situation. Yeah, maybe saying. something like that would have been fine. and they could have resolved it from. there and be like, I do trust you and. like I want to share everything with. you, but you know, this was just like a. really really embarrassing moment for me. or I don't know, whatever it was. >> And then he like, it's not only the. gaslighting and like the verbal, >> he's freaking out and like. >> trying to make her look bad to people. >> Just like going crazy in the apartment.

and like. >> I mean there's no mention of like. punching walls, right? I'm not sure. There was definitely like aggression in. the bar. >> Yeah, he lost it again. Started yelling. at me and being paranoid. >> So yeah, no mention of like punching. walls, but like. >> it just feels like it was escalating to. a point where like it doesn't feel it's. definitely not healthy, but it almost is. starting to not feel safe. >> Yeah. >> Like I would be scared of that person. And it's like if this is all over me.

asking you a simple question. >> Mhm. >> run. Like that is huge. If you don't. have basic conversational level. communication with your partner when. something gets brought up or you're. uncomfortable or blah blah blah blah. blah. >> Mhm. >> No, I also just don't think someone can. be an [ __ ] for leaving a. relationship. I think you can be an. [ __ ] for the way you handle leaving a. relationship if you lack empathy in it. or you don't, you know, have a. discussion with that person or you cheat. on them or you bamboozle them. like.

breaking up with someone like you're. always allowed to do like you're allowed. to like have your feelings change. >> You could literally just not love that. person anymore. That's an okay reason to. leave. >> Yeah. That's not someone's fault. That. doesn't mean it doesn't hurt that person. and it's not like a terrible experience. for them, but you're not an [ __ ] for. it. >> It's more so like you said how you. handle it. >> So there is a comment here. Not the. [ __ ] You didn't leave for no reason, but sounds like it's good that you did. If they keep pushing, tell them to ask. Eric what Mark meant. Maybe they'll see.

it for themselves. >> That's a good point. That's a good. point. Like, bring it up to him and. you'll see his reaction. But maybe now. he'll chill out. I don't know. >> Yeah, >> he'll act cool about it. >> Well, we have an update. >> Thank god. >> I feel like I'm living in some kind of. twisted nightmare. And the more I try to. make sense of it, the worse it gets. >> Spiraling. Mark called me today while I. was at work. I didn't expect him to call. me because he was ignoring me. So, I. stepped outside to take the call and he. told me something that I never in a.

million years could have prepared for. He told me that Eric has been putting. other men's semen into my food, drinks, skin care, shampoo, conditioner, and. even my toothpaste. Sorry. What the Sorry? Oh my god. He should be in jail. Prison. Straight to prison. No, there's not anything serious enough. on that. We have. >> There's only divorce and therapy. >> Therapy. Divorce. We need another one.

Prison. >> Prison. I'm not exaggerating. I'm not. being dramatic. That's what Mark said. Eric has apparently been hooking up with. random men, having them finish into. cups, and then using it in my meals and. drinks like it's some kind of sick joke. Even as I write this, I'm still in. complete disbelief. Who does that to. someone? Mark said he found out about. this a week ago, but for some reason it. took him that long to tell me. A week.

I've been living my life completely. oblivious, trusting Eric, someone I. loved, while this was happening behind. my back. I feel so betrayed, so. disgusted, and so violated. When I asked. Mark if he and Eric were having an. affair, or if this was some sort of. twisted thing between them, he swore. they weren't. And he even made a gross. comment about not wanting to touch Eric. because quote, "Who knows what diseases. he had." That made my stomach turn. I'm.

getting tested for everything now. because I don't know what's been in my. body. That's like assault. >> Yeah, >> that's assault. That's so [ __ ] up. I. like this is maybe one of the most evil. things I've ever heard in my life. Her. partner was doing this to her. Also like. the fact. >> of two years partner of two years. >> I can't believe also that the friend. wouldn't immediately tell her. This is. not the kind of thing where it's like. you protect your your friend. >> Someone's health could be on the line.

>> Absolutely. >> You could be like ingesting. lifelong unccurable diseases. This is so. [ __ ] up that like even the cheating. aspect of it doesn't matter cuz it's. like so small in comparison. >> Cheat on me every day of the week. Don't. put the person's bodily fluids in my. food. >> What the [ __ ] I can't believe he. admitted that. >> I I wonder how he found out. >> How Mark found out? >> Yeah, >> right. He didn't say how he found out. >> No, but we're not done with the update. yet, so maybe we will. When I got home,

I went straight to the kitchen. Mark. told me to check under the sink and. there they were, the cups hidden behind. the cleaning supplies. I lost my [ __ ] I. threw out everything in the kitchen and. bathroom, even stuff I knew wasn't. touched. I don't care. Everything feels. contaminated now. My home doesn't feel. like a safe space anymore. Every time I. walk into the kitchen, I feel like I'm. going to throw up. I can't even function. without my mind going to dark places. thinking about all the times I had no. idea what was happening. I don't have.

any solid proof of this. It's just. Mark's words and those disgusting cups, and I feel so powerless. If nothing can. be done about this, I honestly don't. know what I'm going to do. How is this. even legal? >> It's not. How can someone get away with. something so vile? I don't know if I'll. ever be able to trust anyone again. This. whole thing has been messing with my. head in ways I can't even explain. I. feel dirty. I feel like I've been. violated on such a deep level, and. there's nothing I can do to undo it. My. mom wants me to check into a hospital.

just to make sure I'm okay mentally, and. I'm honestly going to do it. I don't. feel stable right now. I don't feel like. myself, and I'm scared I might hurt. myself or someone else. Eric was eating. the same food. He was eating the food. that he had contaminated right alongside. of me. Was it a kink? A power trip? I. don't even know anymore. All I know is. that the man I thought I knew, the man I. loved, is a complete stranger to me now. I can't believe I've been living with.

someone capable of something so vile. I. feel like I'm losing my mind, and I. don't know how I'm going to come back. from this. How can he do this to me? I'm. genuinely losing it. I'm a danger to. myself and I won't be on I'm going to. check myself into a hospital. This is a. violation on so many levels. Like I I. literally can't think of any person on. this level besides serial killers. >> Serial killers. >> Like psychopaths. This this might be the worst thing I've.

ever heard in my life. I mean, you think. about how many choices he took away from. her. like the assault, the level of like. gaslighting. I mean, this is just every. level of psychological, physical abuse and torture. And there's no way that like anyone. could be friends with him either after. hearing this. Like surely Mark will. never speak to him again, right?

>> No. He Mark needs to tell the friend. group what he did. Everybody, >> everyone needs to know this man needs to. be put on a registry. This man needs to. be in jail. >> He should never be able to date someone. again. This is so terrifying. >> No, I want OP to sue for damages. I want. him to have to sell his car, any. personal belongings he has before he. packs his toothbrush for jail because. this could be just devastating. It could. have devastating consequences.

>> It's absolutely not legal. And yeah, it. makes me so sad how she mentioned like I. don't know how I'll ever trust anyone. again. I wouldn't know how I would ever. trust anyone again either. And like 2. years is a significant amount of time to. be with somebody and like to trust them. and to build a relationship with them. And it she didn't mention seeing any red. flags before this. I'm sure he was very. charming and normal. That's so scary. >> Mhm. >> Oh my god. I hope she's okay. I'm so. glad she's going to get treatment.

Absolutely. And you need to I mean I my. brain my brain would shut down. Like I. would I would go catatonic. >> I'd have trouble eating. I' I'd have. trouble like drinking and eating things. >> Any any response after this is valid. Like. >> Yeah. >> I mean the desire. >> eating trouble trusting. Trouble. >> absolutely. And like her being like I'm. scared like I'm going to hurt myself. And it's like I don't God no you do not. do not do that. You did not deserve any. of this. And then it's like but I'm. scared I'm going to hurt someone else. And it's like, yeah, you don't want to.

then retaliate against Eric and do. something to where like you're in jail. behind bars because, you know, like you. want to get the justice you deserve. And. >> so when I got this emailed to me, I. literally thought the person that. emailed it to me was like the person. that was writing this. Oh wow. And so I. was like, um, what the [ __ ] absolute. psychopath. You should try to press. charges, >> see if Mike would give the police a.

statement and honestly keep those cups. I'm so sorry you're going through this. And then I, you know, I was so panicked. and then I realized, >> oh, like someone forwarding another. story, >> someone forwarding me the story. So. looking at the thread though, someone. did have the same concern of like, >> wait, wait, wait, wait, >> get the cups. Get the cups out of the. trash. Yeah. >> Because OP was like, I threw everything. away. Everything in the kitchen, everything I I tossed. M. >> and so it was only 2 days ago that you. posted this. Go get all of the items you.

threw away out of the [ __ ] garbage. and turn them into the police. There's. your solid proof. You threw it away. And. by the way, it is not legal. >> If those items are tested and come back. positive, he is going to jail. Not the. [ __ ] I hope you get justice. Yeah, he is a danger to society. Like I. honestly after this, if I knew who this. was, I would dedicate my life to making. sure if he ever pops up on any dating. app, he's reported to the platform, like. any social media. Like he he shouldn't.

be allowed. >> to date women. >> There's or men. >> No one. >> He shouldn't be allowed to date anybody. >> No. >> I don't know if he like specifically has. like a like a sex thing where he likes. doing this to women or if this is just. something he would do to anyone. >> How do you even start initiating this? How do you how how sick do you have to. be? And the other people also like. engaging in willfully giving them I. know. What does he say to these people. when he's collecting their. >> sperm? What? Like what is he what is the.

excuse he gives for? Hey, can you come. into this cup? Surely. >> I want to drink it later. I don't know. >> There's no way he's telling them what. it's actually for. >> I don't know. >> I hope not cuz then there are a lot more. evil people out there. It's really It's. a scary thought. So OP does respond to. that comment. Everything I threw out was. in the kitchen garbage so it didn't get. taken on trash day. My mom and my cousin. went to the house with the police to get. it for evidence. I'm pressing charges. against him.

>> Thank God. Thank God. >> That's the last comment we have from OP. So I'm hoping, you know, we get an. update. It has been 14 days. >> That comment was 11 days ago. So I would. assume based on what we had in the. update like OP is maybe in an inpatient. program, >> you know, getting some help because I. would be spiraled. I would be corkcrewed. down to the the core of the earth after. this. >> Yeah, this I I hope that she can get.

through this. I like she did nothing. wrong in this situation. This is an. insane thing to have happened to her. But of course, she's going to feel. violated. She's going to have trust. issues. She's going to have PTSD. There. are going to be so many things that like. >> so many lasting effects from this. But I. hope. >> that it gets better over time and like a. little I hope justice helps as well. >> Yeah. And sounds like a good support. system. I mean, mom and another family. member like going over to the house with. the police so OP didn't have to do it.

Like. >> good support system by the sounds of it. So I. >> really hope she comes out of this okay. Yeah. as okay as you can be after such. an insane situation. >> All of those friends that he was turning. against her will now. for sure not be taking a side. >> No, I I would I would one million% be. writing up this like story or like. sending them the Reddit post. >> The G to be contacting everyone you know.

saying she broke up with me for no. reason when he knows that Mark knows. what he did and like what the thing is. Did you not think you were opening a can. of worms? >> Yeah. So insane. >> Just the audacity to be contacting all. those people like that. >> I think that shows how unhinged he is. though. >> Yeah. >> I think that shows his mental state and. that like he truly felt so powerful that. like nothing was going to blow back on. him. >> Mhm. >> Scary [ __ ]. >> Scary man. Scary man. So this is the new.

update on the same post coming 5 months. later after everything happened. I. completely broke down. I stopped eating. I stopped sleeping. I barely even felt. like I was a person anymore. My mom was. terrified and she practically forced me. to go to the hospital. I tried to put it. off for a couple of days. I got worse. She was scared I was going to do. something to myself. And honestly, I. don't blame her. I wasn't okay. I was so. far from okay. I felt like my entire. world had been flipped upside down. I.

couldn't even think straight. I just. kept replaying everything in my head. over and over again, trying to make. sense of it, but nothing about this. makes sense. Nothing. I ended up staying. in the hospital for a week. The doctors. were kind and they did their best to. help me, but there was only so much they. could do. They couldn't erase what. happened. They couldn't make it not. real. At some point, I just felt like I. was wasting space. I knew there were. other people who needed that bed more. than I did. People who were physically.

hurt. people who could actually be. helped because what happened to me, there's no fixing that. No amount of. therapy, no amount of medication, no. amount of time is ever going to undo it. I know that now. So, I left. I'm back at. my parents house now, staying in my old. childhood bedroom. It feels so strange, like I've stepped back in time, like I'm. a teenager again. Except I'm not. I'm an. adult and my entire life has just. exploded in front of me and I don't even. know how to pick up the pieces. My.

cousin is here too, staying in the guest. room and honestly, I don't know what I. would do without her. She's basically my. sister and she hasn't left my side since. I got here. I know she's worried about. me, even though she tries not to show. it. I don't blame her. I'm worried about. me, too. The police actually took things. seriously. I was scared they wouldn't, that they would laugh at me or tell me I. was crazy, but they didn't. I could see. it on their faces. They believed me.

They went to Mark's house to get his. full story since he had blocked me the. day after everything went down. That. hurt more than I thought it would. I. thought he was my friend. I thought he. cared about me. But the second things. got hard, he ran. But now I know the. truth, and I finally have the full. story. That night when Mark and Eric. were drinking together, Mark went to. change the music on Eric's phone. While. he was doing that, a message popped up. from Louis. Yes, one of the friends that.

told me I was overreacting. The message said, quote, "Good night. I. love you," with a heart emoji. Mark. thought it was weird Louis and Eric. weren't that close. So, he scrolled. through the notifications and saw a. bunch from Grinder. At first, he thought. it was maybe just a joke. Apparently, Eric used to go on Grinder as a joke. back when they were younger and having. sleepovers. But the more he scrolled, the worse it got. There were so many.

messages. Mark said his stomach dropped. He felt sick. He never suspected that. Eric was actually gay. He never even. considered it. But in that moment, everything started to click. And then he. realized something else he had trusted. with Eric. He had changed in front of. him, slept next to him, shared things. with him. And suddenly, he felt. violated. So he confronted him. That's. when Eric broke down. He started crying, begging Mark not to tell me. He told him. everything, every disgusting detail.

Mark said he just stood there frozen, unable to move. He didn't know what to. do. He told Eric to calm down and go to. bed. Eric passed out drunk. And the next. morning, neither of them spoke about it. But then that night at the bar when Eric. made the comment about food, knowing. that Mark had struggled with body image. issues his whole life, that was it. That. was the breaking point. That's why Mark. reacted the way he did. That's why he.

snapped. And now for Eric, I don't even. know how to say this, so I'm just going. to say it. He's dead. After everything. came out, Eric completely shut down. His. mom said he wasn't eating, wasn't. showering, barely left his room. She. thought he was just processing. everything. So, she left him alone. She. would leave for work in the morning and. he would still be asleep. She'd come. home at night and he would still be in. his room sitting there in the dark. smoking weed. She said he hadn't smoked.

since high school, so she had no idea. where it even came from. Then one night, she woke up to a loud thump. She went to. check on him, and that's when she found. him. She was the one who found him. alone. I don't even know how to process. that. As much as I hate him, as much as. I will always hate him, I felt bad for. her. No mother should have to find their. child like that. No one deserves that. I'm not continuing the investigation. I. don't have it in me. His family has. already been through enough. And.

honestly, his death was my closure. That. probably sounds awful, but it's the. truth. He was a terrible person. He. ruined me. He gave me AIDS. I'm never. going to be the same again. I will carry. this for the rest of my life. I wish I'd. never met him. I wish I could erase him. from my memory. I dread the day I die. because that means I might see him. again. And then there's Lewis. He's. hiding. He's blocking everyone, avoiding.

all contact. And at first, I didn't. understand why, but now I do. He was. involved. He was one of them. I didn't. even consider it at first, but the way. he's acting now, it's obvious. And if he. was, he's either going to jail or. getting hit with my car. And I'm fine. with either. That's all for now. Sorry. if this isn't the update you wanted, but. this is my reality now. I'm so angry. The thought of death doesn't even bring.

me peace because he ruined that for me. There's so much more to this, but I. don't think it's really for you guys. It's mostly just police stuff. Eric's. family wanted me to attend his funeral. And then there's the whole situation. with Louis. Also, Mark tried to sleep. with me. Thank you so much for the. support, and I'm sorry it took so long. to update. I wasn't okay. I'm still not, but I'm doing better. Your comments and. messages kept me going. I love you all. OP, if you're out there listening, we. are all sending you so much love and.

support. And you guys out there, if you. can relate to this in any way, whether. it's dealing with a health battle or. dealing with a partner that has done. something similar to you, reach out to. OP and offer some support because. clearly it made all the difference. Okay, moving on to this next one. This. is coming from r/ relationship advice. >> Mhm. My 28 male girlfriend, who recently. became my fianceé, 25 female, apparently.

stalked me before we started dating. How. do I deal with being creeped out by her. now? >> Oh my god. Isn't this like the premise. of a couple different movies? >> It's you, Joe Goldberg. >> It's Joe Goldberg, which by the way, I. am watching right now. I can't get. enough of it. It is so trashy. I love. it. >> A little over 3 years ago, I moved to a. new city for work. About this time, 3. years ago, I moved into a new house in. the city. The house was perfect. It had. a pool. I love to swim, and there was a. running trail that went around the.

neighborhood. I love to run outside. For. the first month or so, I had little. interaction with the neighbors other. than a friendly wave or how are you. Shortly after coming back from one of my. runs, two women, my fiance, who we'll. call Kim, and her sister Lisa, knocked. on the door and introduced themselves. My fiance's sister lived across the. street with her husband and their two. kids. We made casual small talk, which. in retrospect, I think was intended to.

ascertain if I had a significant other. >> But in any case, they ended up inviting. me to their Fourth of July cookout that. was coming up. I said I might stop by. Fourth of July comes and I was just. planning to stay at the house. Late. afternoon, Kim and Lisa stopped by and. plead with me to come over and have a. burger. I decide to go over. I stay for. a couple of hours. Kim asks me a lot of. questions and I spend the bulk of that. time just answering Kim's questions. After this experience, I start to see.

Kim regularly when I'm out and about. There's a grocery store near the. neighborhood that I would see her there. at. I also would see her pretty. regularly at a nearby coffee shop that I. started frequenting. every time she. tries to initiate a conversation. About. 6 months into living there, I'm doing a. run on a trail around the neighborhood. I see Kim. She flags me down. She said. that she lost her phone and asks if I. can call it. I call and we don't hear.

anything. She then asks if I can walk. with her along the trail to help her. look. I do. We walk for about 15 minutes. and I keep calling. She eventually finds. it covered by some leaves a little way. off the trail. >> Mhm. >> Shortly after this experience, she. offers to take me to lunch as a thank. you. I see no harm in that. So, I say. yes. We go to lunch. >> She seems to have similar interests to. me and we have a good conversation.

Shortly after that, we start dating. Our. relationship progresses. About a year. ago, she moves in full time with me in. my house. About 4 months ago, we get. engaged. About a few months ago, one of. her friends found out that her boyfriend. that she was living with was cheating. Some days later, she came over to the. house. I worked on finishing getting the. pool ready for the season, and they got. lubed up on some wine. They were sitting. on the back patio while I was working. and talking really loud. Mostly, it was. the standard, "F that dude for.

cheating." At one point, Kim asked me to. get them more wine, so I did. After. bringing it back, they started talking. about me. After a while, Kim's friend. said something like, "I just need to. start stalking a good one." Kim's. response was, "I can give you the. stalking to get your man 101 course.". >> And then talked about figuring out a. guy's schedule, showing up to the places. they are, and finding excuses to talk to. them. >> Mhm. >> And about the fact that it might take a.

while. They talked about this for a. while and were laughing about it the. whole time. Her friend stayed over and. we had a pretty chill night. The next. morning, her friend left. What she said. about the stalking really bothered me, so I asked about it. She tried to play. it off as a joke, but said that she did. do that stuff with me. She figured out. when I would go running, go to the. grocery store, go to the coffee shop, etc., and would be there. She had been. trying to get me to ask her out for.

months. After that did not work, her and. her sister came up with the lost phone. plan on the trail. Hearing all of that. really creeped me out. Kim did not see. the big deal. She apologized, but she. does not see the problem with what she. did. It really has me second guessing. everything about the relationship. >> Wow. I I feel like I have conflicting. thoughts about this. >> Okay. Because I think that on one hand.

they got engaged so the relationship did. end up being fine. Unlike Joel Goldberg, she didn't murder anybody. So she so she. oh she ran into her crush at the local. coffee shop and was like, "Oh, I think. he goes like it's almost there's. something almost juvenile and innocent. about it." Even though, yeah, if the. gender re roles were reversed, I would. probably feel it differently, but I. think that there's something fun and. flirtatious about it and maybe harmless.

I don't know. I don't know. >> I'm I'm really really curious how she. figured out these habits. >> Yeah, that's a good point. Was she. sitting in a bush outside his apartment. or did she go to the coffee shop every. day and work there and just hoped he'd. show up and oh, he showed up today at. 10:00. I'll come back tomorrow at 10:00. Like, how do you get a meet cute. >> and get that traditional. >> I met him at a coffee shop. I met him at. a bar. Unless you're putting yourself in.

those places. But the context of how. insane she went, >> but we don't even matter. To me, it's. like, yeah, how insane is too insane. Like, let's say you have a question on. somebody and you're like, oh, like I. know that they're a regular at this. coffee shop. Like, I'm going to go and. see if they're there. And then they're. like, oh yeah, they think they kind of. work there every morning. Like, well, I. need my morning coffee. Like, I guess. I'll stop by at that coffee shop that. and maybe I'll see him there, but like. maybe I won't. Maybe I'll just get my. coffee. Like, is that crazy? >> So, we do have some comments from OP. There's only a couple. Um, they do live.

in the US. OP's from the South. We now. live in the Midwest. So OP says, "No lie. about activities as far as I know.". Because I think a lot of people, especially with OP being like, I'm. unclear about the relationship as a. whole. >> Yeah. >> Because if someone's stalking you and. they're changing themselves so that you. like them, that would be weird. >> Yeah. Like that would be totally weird. >> I hate horses. And my fiance's like, I. hate horses. Or. >> Yeah. >> Oh my god, Disneyland. gross. All things I love.

But um OP says she does hate running. outdoors and only did it because I would. use the trail. But she figured out. without telling me that I went to the. grocery store twice a week, a big shop. early Sunday afternoon, a smaller shop. on Wednesday after work. If she could, she would get dressed up, put on a cute. outfit and makeup, and then go grocery. shopping during those times. She would. also drive past her work to go to my. coffee shop in the mornings when I would. usually be there. One of her friends. works there and would tell her when I. showed up.

>> That but okay, yes, that like on paper. does seem weird. But I'm also like isn't. this the classic like oh my gosh, yeah, your guys here like you should come get. a latte and say hi. >> If my girlfriend didn't do that, I'd be. pissed at her. Yeah, it's like it's. flirtatious and harmless. If she was. like, "So, I waited by his car till he. came out to his car." Like, yeah, that. would be weird. This honestly reminds me. of the thing of like flowers sent to. your work by someone you have a crush. on. Adorable, sentimental. Flowers sent. to your work by somebody you don't have. a crush on. Horrifying serial killer.

>> I have a feeling people are going to. have a lot of hot takes on this one. >> Yeah, because it's I get the concern I. of being like, "No, it is [ __ ]. weird." Like, whatever. >> Gender flip it, too. But again, she's not putting an air tag. on his car. She's just like trying to. meet him and like have him catch a hint. and ask her out, which girl, you could. have just asked him out. >> Yeah. >> Like don't let the gender roles and. those stereotypes keep you from asking.

someone out. >> Totally. >> But would have you even been interested? Like. >> you kind of had to play this long game. for him to even ask you out. >> It's like it like going to his house and. trying to get him over the Fourth of. July thing. Like not crazy at all. No. >> Like that's totally normal. Being like, I have a crush on the neighbor. I want. him to come over to my sister's thing. >> Oh my god. So many people see a hot guy. walking their dog and are like, "He's so. hot." I've literally, this was in high. school. I used to rollerblade by this. hot guy's house in my neighborhood. >> Oh, yeah. >> Constantly. Hoping he'd see me out.

>> Never worked. My girlfriend was friends. with him. Like, >> oddly, they started talking on Instagram. way back in the day. And I was like, "Katie, will you please like ask him out. for me for my birthday present? All I. want for my birthday is a date with. him." And she [ __ ] did. Didn't happen. in high school, but I ended up hooking. up with him in college and we dated for. a while. >> See, there you go. >> Like, but I'm like, I used to. rollerblade past his house constantly. And I told him that.

>> Yeah. >> And he was like, "You did?" I was like, "Yeah, I thought you were so cute.". >> But see, that's they're so harmless. Like, I really think it's so harmless. It's like kind of adorable, you know, like the idea that being like, you know. what it is? I think that OP uh. there's a little bit of a like, wow, am. I just so unbelievably hot that like, wow, she really stalks me like that. It. bothers me about it. The writing of it. being like, yeah, and then like she's. drunk with her friends and she reveals. her whole plan that I was the hottest. guy in the neighborhood that she stalked.

to find. It's like, well, no, she had a. crush on you, then you guys like fell in. love and got engaged. like. >> Yeah. Well, and it wasn't like a. stranger. Like, she was genuinely. interacting with you in normal ways, too. Like, >> the Fourth of July thing is a great. example where it's like, no, she invited. you over to try to get to know you. >> She just didn't want to ask you out. >> She wanted you to ask her out and it. took a while to get there. OP really does have a problem with the. word stalking though because there's a.

couple other comments like. >> she orchestrated her schedule to go. grocery shopping when I did go to a. coffee shop. I did started using the. running trail around the neighborhood. and she hates running outside. She has. described her behavior as stalking and. still does today. She just does not see. it as a big deal. >> I think it is the word. Yeah, >> I think it's the word stalking. I. stalked him. >> Right. I had a crush on you. So I like. went to places I thought I might see. you. Right. I think it's it's also that. if you went to a coffee shop cuz the. person you had a crush on might be there.

and they aren't there, like that's just. as normal as you going there and running. into them. The phone story is the only. one that's like pretty weird. But I. think it's weird in a like, oh yeah, that's totally weird that you did that. cuz you were so had such a crush on this. person that you pretended you lost your. phone. Like that's totally weird. >> Yeah, that's a little aggressive. >> It's totally aggressive. But but it. reminds me of the Jim and Pam thing in. the office where he's like, "Remember. that summer you taught me how to drive. stick? I've been driving stick since. high school.". >> It's a little bit like, you know, white.

lie. >> Yeah, it's like a white lie to spend. time around this person. And it's like, well, no, like is Jim a stalker? I don't. think so. I think it's just like, yeah, it is a little white lie and I get that, but it almost feels like he's being like. now her whole thing has changed. >> and I think it sort of is just like she. had a crush on you and she was head over. heels and it just depends on the context. you're looking at it, you know? >> Yeah. Well, and I think too where's the. line like the formal definition of. stalking? a pattern of repeated unwanted.

attention, harassment, or contact. directed at a specific person that. causes them to feel threatened, intimidated, or distrusted. >> I think it's the also the unwanted if. she had asked him out and he had been. like, "No, I'm not really interested.". And then she was showing up. >> that. >> it would be different. >> That would be really That's like where. I'm like, "Okay, no." Like, >> you turned her down, >> then it became unwanted, repetitive. Like. >> I think also like. >> Yeah. The part of this that is that. rings a little bit strange to me is like.

he's like so basically I just answered. her questions all night long and it's. like are you sure you weren't like also. kind of like this is the person that you. got engaged to. You sure you weren't a. little bit flirting back with them at. the like. >> like I think it's it puts all the onus. on this person instead of being like. yeah I went to this barbecue and I like. had a really nice conversation with this. one of my neighbors to like that is. rewritten as she asked me all these. questions. I just spent the whole night. answering her questions. Mhm. >> I think that is a little bit. disingenuous. considering that he eventually went to.

be engaged to this person. >> Yeah. >> You know, >> like do you like her even? Do you like. her even or did you just like the. attention she gave you? >> Yeah, that's interesting. >> Like do you like her? >> Right. I don't know. >> I don't I think this honestly though. will be relationship ending for OP given. how he feels about it which. >> your feelings are your feelings at the. end of the day. >> Yeah, totally. Yeah, I think this is a. good opportunity for her to be like, well, yeah, like that's how I found you, but like if you don't love me now, then.

the relationship, then we shouldn't be. together. But I think that, yeah, I. sense I smell just a little hint of him. being like, "Wow, I'm so awesome. You. stalked me." Like, I probably could do. like somebody else probably like me that. way or something. I don't know. I don't. know why I feel that way. >> I know. Well, a lot of comments, they're. all over the place. >> Yeah. I'm And I'm by the way, again, I'm. happy to be proven wrong in the comment. There's a lot of ways you could look at. this. >> I'm not personally attached. Don't need. that. >> Me neither. Don't be mad. Don't be mad. at me. >> So, someone goes, I don't know. I mean,

the way you framed it obviously sounds. like a stalker, but if it were framed. slightly different, this would just. sound like you met a cute girl who lives. in your town and started dating. >> I'm not saying she didn't stalk you, but. you described situations where she asked. you a lot of questions about yourself, >> as one does when they're attracted to a. person and wants to get to know them, and you seemed willing to provide the. answers without any problem on these. occasions. If you weren't and she was. getting your info via another method, then I would see a big problem. Undeniably, showing up at your spots is. weird, no matter how you dice it. But if. I live in the same city as a man I'm.

attracted to, and he told me he goes to. X grocery store on Tuesdays for a few. minutes from my house, and I have. Tuesday off, well, groceries, too. So, frankly, I see no issue with doing my. grocery run on a Tuesday in hopes that I. might see him and strike up a. conversation. There's bounds to it, but. hopefully you get my point. I think it's. important to note, OP, whether or not. your girlfriend lived in this town. before she met you and moved in with. you, or if she spent a lot of time at. her sister's home before you moved. across the street. If not, then it's. weird. If so, then I think she was drunk. and chose an unfortunate choice of. words. But ultimately, you get to decide. what you're comfy with or not.

>> Yeah. Right. It's like I do feel that. ultimately it is up to him to be like, "How do you feel about it? If you this. is too weird for you, then don't get. married." But I just sort of am I I. think there's a lot of situations that. probably uh are very similar to this. that people would just describe as. normal. Like is it weird to look. somebody up on Instagram and see like. what their past relationship was if it's. in the Instagram thing cuz everybody. does that. >> Yeah. >> And that's I think just a facet of. dating in the internet world. But you.

know it would be weird to be like okay. what's their address? Let me look at. their address. Okay now I'm looking at. Street View. Now I'm like there is. always a line. And I think it's the. malicious. It's like what crosses over. the line to being malicious or make you. feel scared, intimidated, or threatened. or something, you know? >> Yeah. Someone responds to that and they. go, "Hey, you're [ __ ] weird for not. disavowing this. That person was. downvoted. 28. The previous comment had 427, so. more positive versus whatever.".

>> Yeah. >> And the person responds and goes, "I'm. weird for thinking critically. OP. literally hasn't given enough info for. strangers on the web to discern whether. or not this person is a stalker. I'm. more concerned that you think you have. the info to make blanket statements. about a situation. OP responds, "All I. know is that she orchestrated her. schedule to go grocery shopping when I. did coffee shop, whatever." They read. that comment. She has described her. behavior as stalking. And the same. person responds, "Okay, so you have your. answer. What exactly do you want. everyone here to do? Agree with you and.

sob and [ __ ] on your partner? Not the. point of this sub, but it doesn't sound. like you need advice either. You seem. pretty set on how you feel, so you. should already know what to do. >> That's a good point. >> OP says, "I came here to see if anyone. has had a similar experience and figured. out ways to work through it or has some. solid advice on how to work through it. If I did not want to work through this, there would be no reason to come here. I. do not have my answer. I do not think. simply telling posters, get over it," is. the point of this sub either. But I.

don't think that they said to get over. it. I think that they just said like, you know, there's it's the way you, you. know, slice it if you look at it two. different ways. >> And so someone replies to OP and says, I. think you need to ask more questions. from her. Did she park outside your. house and watch you? Did she drive. behind you undetected so she could pop. out at the right times to determine your. schedule? Did she make up lies about her. interests or herself in order to package. herself like a product she wanted to. sell you? If so, you might feel a. certain way about that.

>> Did she fish for info in order to design. opportunities to connect? Was she. persistent in placing herself in front. of you until you saw her as an option? That feels very different. And if she's. still fundamentally the person you got. to know and fell in love with, I'd be. grateful that she was so persistent. >> This mostly to me would hinge on if. she's really the person she's presented. herself to be or if she was crafty in. creating opportunities to present. herself to you. Yeah, that I think is the line there. that was like if she's the person you.

fell in love with still, then I don't. think it necessarily matters that how. they fell in love. But I also think, you. know what it is? There is something. about the writing of the way he tells. the story that uh is a purity test as if. he's never done anything that toes the. line between like, "Yeah, I was a little. wild. Oh, I had a crush on this person. and I looked them up on this way. And I. am sort of the mind that I think. everybody has a, you know, not. everyone's a perfect person. We've all.

kind of, you know, okay, hello. But. we've all done things that are sort of. in the morally gray when, and by morally. gray, I don't mean like, you know, keying their car. I mean like, >> yeah, like I like, you know, yeah, sure. I found the I saw that they liked this. coffee shop on Instagram, so I decided. to go there in case I ran into my crush. >> Yeah. Like that's a pretty normal but a. little bit weird thing to do around. somebody you have a crush on. >> Absolutely. >> Comments are kind of going crazy on it. I know people do ask like why not go to.

couples counseling. >> Sure. >> Which I think is a great idea. >> Yeah, definitely. >> OP does respond though. She has zero. interest in doing that. She feels no. need to discuss this further. She thinks. I am being completely ridiculous. I. >> mean, yeah, when you're in an argument, not a not a good way to sort of get out. with your partner. But yeah. >> No. And the response to that is. dismissing your feelings like that is a. huge red flag. >> Yeah. >> And I agree. And it is understandable. that she would be defensive and maybe.

embarrassed now knowing his reaction. But if you're not going to address your. partner's feelings, then that is. >> a big concern. Well, you know, it's like. they say that crazy people don't wonder. if they're crazy. >> It's like you like it's like if you are. gut checking being like, "Oh my god, is. this crazy?" Like, "No, I just did. something totally crazy." It's like what. you That's good to do. Like if she's. like, "Oh my gosh, I can't believe I'm. going to the coffee shop." And then he's. like, "Wait, you stalked me." And she's. like, "No, I know it was totally crazy. I'm sorry. I had a crush on you. Like, I.

get it. I I totally get it. I just. wanted to be this." Like, that would be. a normal way to kind of get through it. But I think by her being like, I don't. want to discuss any further. I didn't do. anything wrong. Then it's like, oh, maybe that is a. >> maybe that actually is bad. Like. >> now that I'm like, >> yeah, you can't def Everybody acts. morally gray, but you can't pretend that. it's not. >> Exactly. You know, >> well, especially cuz OP does say too, which this is interesting. OP didn't. even get that she was interested in him.

>> because and this is quote from their. comment because the level of engagement. she showed is just politeness where I'm. from. So I took it as politeness. >> H okay. >> So it's like she really was just kind of. being nice and. >> in front of him. >> Yeah. >> But then I'm like girl why didn't you. just ask him out? >> Yeah. On some level, you have to just. kind of bite the bullet and be like, "Hey, >> ask him out versus you're spending a lot. of your time showing up at all these.

places. >> to spending all this money on groceries, on coffee.". >> I know. Damn. Make it at home. Someone. does say she was interested in you. Why. didn't she ask you out? Some women think. that a man has to ask them out and will. go through lengths to try to plant the. seed in their heads. It's 2026. Women. are allowed to ask men out, too. Lol. I. prefer that she'd take initiative rather. than try to manufacture some scheme to. get me to ask her out. That's happened. to me multiple times as an adult and it. feels childish every time.

>> So, good note for those out there. Yeah. >> Just shoot your shot. >> Shoot your shot. >> Don't stalk. >> Don't stock. Shoot your shot. And that's. merch. >> Like, okay. But I do think like there is. a lot of comments pointing out like if. gender roles were reversed people would. tell you to run and you know hey there's. a lot of validity in that too. >> I think also again it's up to him if he. feels weird about it. >> then he feels weird about it. You know.

we're not in the situation. So I could. be like he's writing the situation in a. way that you know he was never into it. but also it's if he was just like no I. got a weird feeling by it and it. actually made me recontextualize some. things and it felt a little strange then. that's strange to you and you either. have to work it out or you have to leave. the relationship and I you know respect. to them. >> What would you do if you found out your. wife had done this? >> I wouldn't be that surprised. >> No, I I think I just I mean my wife is. like you know. >> how did you meet? >> We met at a party organically or so I.

thought. Um, but no, uh, we actually met. at, it's a good example of, um, like go. to the party. Like I, it was a party. that I was not going to go to and I'm. like, you know what, it's Friday. I'd. moved to LA not that long ago and I went. and it was a friend of mine from high. school's uh, roommates's birthday. >> Oh my god. Like such a. >> such a random like and I was like, "Oh. yeah, I guess I'll go to that." And then. I was going to I was there for an hour. and I was like, "I'm kind of tired. I. want to go home." And I was like, "You. know what? I don't know that many. people. Let me stay for one more hour.". And then I met her and then we like you.

know within two weeks were dating each. other and then I moved in after 3 months. and you know we were. >> you yeah you knew. >> I knew well it was 3 months thing is. funny cuz I was like I also was we were. both unemployed and like didn't have any. money so we were like I mean I can move. in. I wasn't on a lease or anything. I. was like let me just move in and she was. like that's great like we like clearly. love each other but like if this doesn't. work out I guess you just leave you. know. True. >> So it was like there wasn't that much. wrapped up in it. I didn't have any. stuff. I you know, >> you really just came out here on a hope.

and a a hope and a dream. >> Hope and a dream. Yeah. I I cuz I was. working at BuzzFeed when I first moved. out to LA and then I got laid off and. was like like my program ended and I. didn't get rehired so I was like, "All. right, well, I guess I'll fall in love.". And then I did. >> That's magical. Yeah. I don't know what. I would think. I guess if it was these. specific. examples, I'd just be like, "Uh, I get. it. I'm really cute. He tried." But if. it was like following me in a car and. sitting in a bush. >> Yeah.

>> Like now I'm like I'm married. I'm I'm. in it seven years deep. Like but even if. I found out when I was engaged, I don't know. I don't know how I would. feel. It's just like. >> Yeah. You'd have to have been I think in. my mind no one detail could. recontextualize the entire breath of our. relationship. So I think I'd be like, "Oh, that's kind of weird." But like I. don't think I would be like, "Oh my. gosh, my reality is shattering." Like. every single thing about you I don't. know is true. And it's like you would. really have to be a sociopath, like a.

complete sociopath or psychopath to. have, you know, we have so much time. together that nothing could. recontextualize all of it. But I also I. think my wife is like insane in the best. way. I think I just be like, "Oh yeah, it makes sense.". >> I'm so curious what all of you think out. there. Would you even consider this. stalking? Like I I'm like I'm so curious. if this is even stalking. I'm not. invalidating OP's feelings, but I'm so I. need all your thoughts on this one.

>> This next one is coming from our/. relationship advice. It is titled, "My. 30 female husband, 33 male, accused me. of murder out of the blue. How do I. salvage this?". >> Well, that is a big jump from the last. story. This is long and ridiculous. Sorry. My. 30 female husband Luke, 33 male, had a. sister, Laura, 29, female. We were all. close and saw each other two to three. times a month along with their parents.

Almost 6 months ago, Laura fell down the. stairs at their family home and died. It. was a freak accident. There's a window. on the half landing and she hit her head. on the sill. I was the last person to. see her. I was there for less than 10. minutes and she was in her pajamas. making coffee. I didn't even stay for a. drink. And I struggle with how such a. brief and meaningless interaction could. have been her last. She deserved so much.

more. My husband and I have only been. married for a year, but we've been. together for four and have known each. other for 20 plus. When Laura's parents. found her, they called my husband. straight away and we rushed over. We. faced the whole thing as a family and. the days after Luke started quizzing me. exactly what we had talked about, what. she was wearing, where we were standing, etc. It progressed to saying I was. providing conflicting information on.

tiny details. He was deliberately. misunderstanding. and accusing me of withholding. information because I couldn't tell him. things like what pajamas she was. wearing. This escalated quickly but. lasted for less than a week as I lost my. cool and made it clear that I was done. answering questions. He didn't bring it. up again and I wrote it off as grief. His behavior was generally that of a. normal grieving person. >> Mhm. >> Last Friday, he outright accused me of.

murdering her in front of his parents. out of the blue. We were all stunned. There was an inquest which recently. concluded and there was never any doubt. the verdict would be accidental death. He said it was completely obvious and he. couldn't believe that no one else could. see it. He claims I went through his. phone and found his messages with Laura. I have absolutely no idea what messages. he's talking about. I've never looked at. his phone. and that I went over to.

confront her and things quote got out of. hand and I pushed her downstairs. By the end, he was shouting about going. to the police and getting the inquest. overturned and how I wasn't going to get. away with it. Let me be clear, Laura and. I had a great relationship. We all did. I have no idea where this has come from. other than these messages I haven't. seen. And even then, I don't think. there's anything I could ever see on. someone's phone that would drive me to.

murder. It's just ridiculous. Well, he. thinks it's an accidental. murder. >> Like a heat of the moment. >> Yeah. Like he thinks that things got out. of control. Like they were fighting and. like they pushed on accident. Like not. like she meant to murder. I think that's. what he's getting at. Like I wonder what. he said about her because clearly he. said some crazy stuff that would make. him allude to that. I want to know. what's in those messages. >> Yeah, he's been with his parents since. this happened and will not talk to me at.

all. And I've had some contact with his. mom, but she's not being very. communicative. The last I heard, she. didn't know what messages he was. referring to either. I'm still. completely stunned, and I have no idea. how to proceed. I made a commitment to. be there for him always. And I. understand that grief can manifest in. strange ways, but a part of me feels. like my love for him died the second he. called me a murderer. And I don't know. how we could possibly work through this. I also really don't want to be thought.

of in this way. And I have no idea if he. has said anything to people we know. I. obviously haven't. a brain tumor or. psychotic break has crossed my mind and. I suggested it to his mother and she. just said that she'll talk to him. Other. than the questions before, he hasn't. been acting odd. Obviously, he's been. grieving, but he seemed sane and. sensible other than this. I feel like. I'm going mad. Does anyone have any.

advice at all? This is a little bit of a unique one. I. feel like he said something so awful to. Laura that that that's what made sense. to him. Especially since it was like a. brief interaction like she was like, "Oh, I just stopped by for coffee or. whatever she said." I feel like he said. some nasty things in the messages. Maybe. Laura did too. I don't. >> or unless there's something else like a. psychotic break going on. But if he's. within his right mind, as right as you. can be while you're going through grief,

um then I think that he feels like he. said something really I don't know. >> There's something there. >> Yeah. There is something there or you. don't jump to that conclusion. >> Yeah. >> And I'm like, what could it have been? Well, and that's why it's in his mind. he's jumping there because he's. fabricating it from that worry of, oh, she saw this and then that's the next. logical thing, which those thoughts. aren't paired well with what he's going.

through. I mean, you have these things. definitely building upon one another. into a vicious cycle. It's actually just. kind of a nightmare from a peace. perspective because being accused of a. serious crime that you, you know, obviously as far as we're. reading here, you know, given the. context of everything, we're assuming. obviously that you didn't. >> In that sense, it's an absolute.

nightmare. And I almost go into. self-protect mode where I'm like, "Oh, hell no. I I had nothing to do with. this. I'm getting all my ducks in a row. I'm figuring out if like. >> I don't know, not if there's cameras, but I'm I'm getting I'm getting all of. my legal stuff together because he's. getting to a point of where he wants to. go to the police. He's threatening this. >> It sounds like UK inquest or something. It could turn so serious so quickly.

>> He's going to go report it. >> I know. But imagine end up then like we. are so deep into the true crime space. right now. >> Oh my god. >> How many people are wrongly questioning. and and and pressured to. ultimately. >> Yeah. >> Like they get brainwashed into admitting. to crimes they nothing like it goes down. such a dark spiral. >> Okay you guys. So I actually had a case. It's known as the staircase.

Essentially, this woman died. And apparently, it looked initially like. she had fallen down the stairs and died. by falling down the stairs. And then. they start looking at like the husband. and like all of the evidence for the. case kind of like was suspicious and. like she had been bleeding for hours and. like was a it was this whole thing. I'm. going to link the episode if you guys. want to watch it, but essentially the. husband gets convicted of her murder.

And I think a big part of it was because. he was also looking really suspicious. because a friend of his had died years. prior. >> Interesting. >> By also falling down the stairs. >> And so people were like to have one but. two people die by falling down the. stairs. And he had adopted her. daughters. He had been seen leaving her. house late that night, running away from. her house. And so people were like, "There's no way he didn't murder his. wife." Like, "This is weird." His.

defense team ends up finding evidence. though, and they find owl feathers in. the wounds on her head and pine needles. And so people conclude that as she was. walking into the house from where they. were drinking wine outside that an owl. had attacked her. and he sat outside for. hours after looking at the stars, drinking the rest of the wine. And so he. didn't discover her, so she bled out. And so which do you believe? >> Where does the evidence point? But he.

was convicted. There's a documentary. about it now, I think, literally called. The Staircase, and it's the craziest. case. >> Well, I don't want to give the spoilers, but um I'll link the episode for those. that want to know. Wow. >> Makes you want to wear just a body. camera 24/7. Literally honestly like a. constant alibi. >> You guys keep on saying things like that. I've been thinking of like literally. either like today or like the day. before, but like they're not like. >> they don't fully make. >> loosely connected.

>> Yeah. But like I was literally just. thinking that today. Like everyone. records everything and everyone it's. like almost to the point where if. somebody says something these days and. they don't have evidence then I don't. believe it because everyone has evidence. or like it's not that I like think. they're a liar. I'm just kind of like h. like sure. >> Yeah, we've turned ourselves into like. this surve surveillance like state with. how much we record and it's like who can. record quicker? How can you make the. camera footage look and then you hear. the other side and you're like holy [ __ ]. that's crazy. >> I think about that too and like that's.

where I think we're police officers like. if I was an officer I'd want to wear my. body cam on at all times because like I. don't want someone to be like oh this. shitty cop like I would literally want. to wear my body cam. >> Sorry. I I just I totally I just can't. believe they act the way that they do. sometimes with the body cam. >> I know. It's crazy. That's why we need. We need more good cops. We need more. good cops in the world. >> Some of them are goofy. >> Yeah. Some people Some people in life. are goofy. And it's not it's not any job. >> specifically maybe. But like I'm just.

like, "Oh my god, people just [ __ ]. get it together." Like where are we at. in the world? Why are we still doing. what we're doing all over the world? Like why do we have a [ __ ] like. genocide going on? I'm like, "Why? Why?". >> Yeah. We were talking about this with like. Alejandra too. There's not like. >> there's not like one profession or one. religion or one like country that is. good or bad. Like it is really it's like. and people are people and there's good. people and then there's bad people or if. you want to say people who do bad. things, whatever. But like.

>> you're getting fancy with that language. But I I just I think that we all just. get so like hung up on looking and. thinking Yeah. >> sides and thinking all these people are. bad and pointing fingers and that's why. like creating inroups and outroups are. so powerful for control. >> For sure. >> And that's why you see that in the. history of a lot of people who have been. dictators or want to be dictators. Where. am I going with this? Let's move on. >> Yeah. Okay. Um so top comment on this. one. >> [ __ ] no. You don't salvage this. You get.

a lawyer and get the [ __ ] out. Best case. scenario, he has just admitted to. sending messages with his sister that he. thinks would make you angry enough to. kill her over them. I have some ideas. about what those might be, and they're. all bad. How did the parents react when. he did this? Someone responds back to. that. And it is his guilt/fear. of discovery of whatever is in those. messages that is causing him to make.

these accusations using anger as a. defense mechanism. Someone responds back to the first. comment like about the messages. >> Yeah. >> What do you think the messages entailed? Someone responds incest. Question mark. question mark. >> I don't know. I can't think of a single. other thing it could be. The two of them. insulting her wouldn't be enough. Honestly, them being incestuous kind of. explains everything. >> Yeah. Or.

>> that would actually make So, yeah. No, Mine didn't jump. >> I'm surprised we didn't cuz I We've had. a lot of incest stories in the past and. like I I didn't even consider that. either. >> I thought it would be like him like them. just talking [ __ ] and Laura being like, "You should divorce her. I hate her. actually.". >> Yeah, that's what I was thinking. See, I. kind of gaslit myself out of that, I. guess, cuz I was like, for a second I. was like, they're sleeping together. And. I was like, no, >> get that thought out of there. That's. not it. >> But is he this afraid that the messages.

come out in some investigation about her. death? Is because. >> otherwise, why mention it in the first. place? Why even put that out there? Because if he is trying to convict her. of murder to hide whatever's in those. messages, why even make that such a. focal point? Cuz the second we all heard. that, we're like, >> "Oh my god, the messages. That's the key. to everything.". >> And the messages would come out in. court. Her defense team would subpoena. those messages, they would come out in.

court. >> Yes. So, it's like, yeah, that's a. really good point because it's like if. you don't want those messages to come. out, but you think your wife killed your. sister over the messages and you're. going to go accuse her and have the. inquiry overturned, you just made a. surefire way to get the messages out. >> You don't actually think she killed her. >> But let's say let's say that he is just. in love with his sister. So, he's not. thinking smart about this. He's thinking. emotionally. Passionately, >> passionately.

>> Yeah. If he was in love with his sister, then knee-jerk reaction like he's just. going to be full of anger and hate that. she's now gone and he thinks that his. wife took her from him. >> Yeah. Okay. I'm just like I'm sitting. here. I'm just like, "Holy [ __ ] I'm. reeling." We do have a couple comments I. see from OP in this thread. OP has since. deleted their account. Post still. stands, but like. >> there is an edit here that I wasn't. going to read, but like it's not really. context, but it is. It has come to my. attention that I accidentally used.

Laura's real name once in this post. Can. I kindly ask that anyone who commented. who is blank real name delete their. comment as I really don't want this to. bleed into my real life for obvious. reasons. But OP responds to the top. comment that kind of asks like how did. his parents respond. >> when he first laid out the accusation at. his parents house. Both his mother and I. just kept asking him about the messages. and all he would say was that I know. exactly what messages he was talking. about. Oh my god. She was as stunned as.

me and his father just said he didn't. understand what he was talking about. He's a man of few words, but there was. plenty of head shaking. The whole thing. was surreal. No one knew how to react. I. honestly don't know what kind of lawyer. I would even speak to about this. From. what I'm aware, the coroner's decision. can't be appealed and the police can't. launch an investigation into an. accidental death. I don't think I'm. quite ready for divorce. We haven't. spoken since his accusation. And I. walked out about 5 minutes after he. threw it out. And I have no idea what.

his frame of mind is. And someone goes, "You want to live with a person that. thinks you're a murderer?" There's not. really coming back from that, especially. when he thinks he has this evidence. This isn't some kind of accident or. grief. Even if tomorrow he says, quote, "Sorry, you're not a murderer. There's. no going back. The trust is gone. You. need to worry about yourself. Speak to a. divorce lawyer. You don't need to sign. yet, but you should start planning an. exit strategy." OP responds,

"Unfortunately, I think that's where I. am. For the past week, I've been telling. myself I'm going to get a call saying. he's been detained for mental health. reasons, but nothing is happening, and. my patience is wearing thin with the. silence. There would have to be an. extremely good reason for me to stay. after this to the point that I'm even. quietly hoping for a brain tumor over a. mental break because that comes with. solid proof that these aren't his own. thoughts and feelings. I am clutching at.

straws. I have a really hot take. Let's go. And this is probably because I. just finished a murder mystery series um. that I talked about on Father Knows and. um and blamed Morgan for all of my stuff. becoming more murder mystery because of. starting clues. Wouldn't it be crazy if OP did find the. messages? They were having an affair and.

OP did kill the sister, but she wrote. this Reddit post and accidentally. mentioned the sister's real name in the. post. >> Oo. And then said, "I don't want this to. get back to me for obvious reasons as a. cover up." And she actually did. Okay. So, do you want to know what OP's. username is? Because someone does. respond to one more comment I'm going to. read from OP. Okay. But someone does. respond and the username before OP. deleted their account. >> Mhm.

>> It was username slashthrowway. not a killer. If I was going to pick a. throwaway name for a post like this, it. wouldn't be that. >> I mean, what's like. >> maybe butterflies and ladybugs? Like. just something so irrelevant. But like. to be like throwaway not a killer like. girl that's that's just it feels. aggressive when you're trying to prove. your not that she has her innocence to. prove but I'm like god damn like okay. okay okay.

>> is the sister's bedroom downstairs. Did. she physically have to go downstairs to. like go to bed at this time? I was. envisioning. >> is there a reason to go downstairs? >> But I guess downstairs would make sense. if there was a window sill above. >> like. does it make sense to go downstairs? That's one thought. And B, regardless of. who did this, who's innocent, whatever, whatever, it would haunt me forever if I. was a person in this situation or. honestly hearing it right now. What are.

the damn messages? >> Yeah, >> I know OP does have a comment here. I'm. absolutely desperate to see these. messages because I'm right there with. you on the sheer wackiness of what they. have to contain. It hadn't occurred to. me that they might still exist. I've. never known him to lie, but I do think. mental health issue is a real. possibility. His relationship with his. sister didn't seem odd, and I've never. been interested in his phone, but he's. never been defensive about it either. either. So, I think you're you might be. right. If it had such incriminating. messages, I'd probably be worried about. them before now. And someone goes, "Does.

he have an old iPad that was linked to. his phone?" just thinking that if he. did, you might be able to find out. whether or not there are any messages. OP goes, "You're a genius.". It's not signed in his messages. I was. so excited. >> OP goes, "I have his iCloud password. It. has a backup from yesterday. I have no. idea how to turn this into something I. can actually use. It doesn't have a. messages folder or any signs of how to. use it for anything other than restoring. a whole phone, which I don't want to do. Does anyone know how to actually get. these messages from this? Sorry to throw. a tech support request in. I can't.

believe I didn't think of this. Huge. thanks to the person who suggested it. Someone goes, "Whatever you do, do it. quickly and quietly. Be aware that his. device will likely get a notification. about a new device signing in using his. credentials.". >> Mhm. >> Um, someone goes, "You should be able to. erase the contents of the iPad and then. put it in his iCloud password to restore. it from back up yesterday. Then just. click on the messages and it should have. whatever was backed up." Opie goes, "Thank you." Whoa. Not seeing any responses. That's it.

Holy crap. Also, just to be clear, because this is somebody's real life and. >> I do think that this is like honestly. I'm all I'm getting is real from this. It feels too crazy. >> No, I and that my point is is like I'm. OP. Like if you are listening, I do not. think that you murdered your husband's. sister. This is just kind of crazy. Like. Morgan doesn't normally give me stories. like this and I literally just finished. like a murder mystery series yesterday. It's all like being like really like on.

the nose for you right now. >> Yeah. Well, and it's just one of those. things where the entire time I was. watching the series, I'm like, who did. it? And then like part of me was like, is it the person who seems the least. likely? Like is it you know what I mean? So, um that's like why I said that. I. don't actually think that if you are. listening, just so you know. >> I mean, you can't prove one way or the. other really. >> No, it's true. I don't know you, but. >> your writing sounds like you're. innocent. >> I know. And like there's one last. comment. I thought that was going to be. the last one I read, but like this is. actually the last one cuz I'm not seeing. as I scroll, I'm not seeing other like.

comments from OP because usernames. deleted, but you still see deleted OP. after it with some sometimes Reddit does. it and sometimes Reddit doesn't. It's so. weird. >> Mhm. >> But there's one other one that's just. like basically her saying, "I'm really. scared of the prospect of him telling. other people about this and I feel like. as time passes, the chances increase. I. don't know whether I should get ahead of. it or even how I'd approach that. He's. intelligent, successful, and has plenty. of friends. I've never known him to lie. about anything. And I feel like this.

accusation could follow me around my. entire life. I've asked his mother for. an update, and she hasn't gotten back to. me. She left my last message for 2 days, too, and was quite dismissive when I. tried to broach the issue of a psychotic. break. Thank you for such a thoughtful. reply. I genuinely think based on that, his parents do believe him. >> Damn. Like if the mom's cutting you off. and there's no mention of mental health, there's no mention of anything like I. unless the family's like. >> we don't want to embarrass him. Mental.

health is not talked about. We're going. to hide this then maybe. But also at the. same time like this is her husband. They're married. Like this is extremely. odd. My but my mom would be my mom would. just not want to get the word out. >> No, not even that. Like I just think my. mom would respond the same way. Not. because she thinks that that person's. guilty or believes her son, but just. because she's just trying to deal with. what's right in front of her. The kid.

gloves, too. And just like. >> I don't know how to handle this. I'm not. going to say anything. >> So it's like almost like the the partner. that's. your son is spiraling over is like the. last of your not the last. >> lost a child. I mean. >> like. and then you have like your son accusing. his wife of killing her. It's like where. the weird what? >> That's probably the last of our worries. to get back to OP. >> That's so true. >> Yeah, that's so true. >> This is insane. >> Yeah. >> OP has since deleted the account. I.

mean, people are in the comments like, "Please update us. We want to make sure. you're safe." People are worried that. he's going to turn around and kill her. based on like. >> all of his behavior. Like, people are. very, very scared. But, >> um, yeah, we don't have an update and I. don't know. Obviously OP can't unddelete. the account. So it would have to be. coming from a new account just being. like I wrote this post and. >> hopefully then someday we would happen. to come across it. And you just have to. hope that that person's not. >> right. >> faking it.

>> Well, that's unsettling. >> That is unsettling. I really wish we had. a little. >> feel very unresolved. >> I'm more so unresolved because it seems. like she was able to get into iCloud. stuff and then it's like after that we. have no comments. Yeah. >> So, I'm like, [ __ ] Like, what's in the. box? >> iCloud. >> Thank you. >> Okay. So, again, the title was, "My 30. female husband, 33 male, accused me of. murder out of the blue. How do I salvage.

this?" And this was on August. second bonus episode for the month. And. basically, this guy accused his wife of. murdering his sister. went kind of off. the walls and was like, "I know you did. it. You saw our text messages.". OP ended up getting into the iCloud. And. that's where the updates ended for us. All we knew is she got into the iCloud, but like we didn't know what she found. >> Yeah, it was maddening. >> And then there's another update. None of.

the Boru accounts like that I had like. the writeups on it had it. Someone on. Patreon sent it to me. So, here we go. Firstly, thank you to those who helped. me get to my husband's iCloud backups. through an old iPad. I wasn't expecting. much from Reddit, but I got valuable, practical advice before my post was. locked, and I appreciate it. There were. no crazy or even suspicious messages. I've searched for over 100 terms and. scrolled back over years. I saw a side.

of them both I wasn't expecting, but. nothing that explains the claim I. murdered Laura over their chats. Nothing. to suggest he was cheating. Absolutely. nothing to suggest incest. I repeat, no. incest. No weird gaps where deleted. conversations or a switch to another app. would fit. Just siblings making plans, sending memes, and gossiping. They said.

unexpectedly horrible stuff about a few. people, but not me. It was sort of a. relief, but it raised more questions. than it answered. I sought legal advice, also from Reddit, after posting here. Turns out my options are divorce him or. sit down. I contacted my community. mental health team, who said they'd. reach out, but made it clear it wasn't. urgent. I then called his mom and said. if I didn't hear from him by this. weekend, I would get a solicitor and ask. for a mental health assessment as a part.

of the divorce. In response, he made a. ridiculous post to Facebook, which. neither of us have used in years, and. everything blew up. I'm going to try to. keep this succinct. On Friday night, he. made a long accusation on Facebook with. new information. He said he'd been. planning to leave me for months with his. sister's support. And I found the. messages and murdered her. The coroner. has reopened the case and the police are.

preparing to arrest me and he needs to. make sure people know before the trial. stops talking about it. It was well. written and seemed vaguely plausible. He. messaged people links so I got some. attention. We live in our hometown and. have a large circle of friends because. we've lived here all our lives. People I. haven't spoken to since school were. reaching out to me asking me what the. [ __ ] was going on. It was madness. In. response, I posted the export of his. entire conversation history with Laura,

also to Facebook. When I finally got. back in, I linked the chat along with a. post explaining my side and noting that. I had changed my ex's iCloud and Apple. passwords and that if he wanted them. back, he should comment on my post and. update his own, admitting that he was. lying. He eventually did. When I started. getting messages about his post, I. panicked and changing his passwords. seemed important to preserve everything. because he'd know I had access. When I. spoke to him the next morning, it's.

clear he's not having a mental episode. at all, but is claiming one because he's. been caught in a big lie. As soon as he. was outed, he called me, clearly drunk, begging and promising to explain. everything if I deleted my post. I hung. up and told him to call back the next. day. He did after many missed calls and. texts. And he tried to bargain and guilt. trip me with his mental health again. until it was clear the wrong people had. seen his conversation. It's hard to.

describe, but it seemed fake. It was too. well rehearsed. And then this morning, when it was clear he was getting. nowhere, he blocked me. begging for. mercy and reciting facts about mental. disorders that doesn't align with. someone in crisis with a sincere belief. that someone murdered their sibling. The. question of why he did all of this. remains unanswered and he will not be. getting his passwords until it is. The. legal advice subreddit said this stuff.

is technically illegal, but it's beneath. a court to take action. So, I'm going to. count on that because I felt like I had. no other choice at the time and now I. don't see any other way to get answers. from him. I'm desperate and it's all. I've got. So, there we are. The. relationship I have believed was pure. destiny since I was a teenager has. boiled down to petty, convoluted, and. vindictive [ __ ] played out on social. media for reasons still unknown. My hope.

for a brain tumor is fading. And clearly. tomorrow morning is going to be when I. lawyer up and stop posting about this. I. am mortified. I have no idea whether. some people might believe him. And I. still don't know why this all happened. in the first place. Sorry, I don't have. a happier update. And thanks once again. to everyone who offered advice. I just. wish there was more of an update on that. one because now it's almost makes it. even more of a cliffhanger and more.

confusing now that she's starting to. rule out it being like a mental break. I. started thinking. was was he there arguing with his sister. about her and then she fell when they. were arguing and then I like he started. deciding that it was her fault because. he was arguing about her. Where did he. get this from? If he's not having a. mental break, then where did he get this. from? So, top comment on the update. I.

cannot think of a larger monster than a. man willing to accuse someone of. murdering his sister publicly, might I. add, to feain justification in a. divorce. I'm so sorry this happened to. you and that you do not know this. person. You have many blessings for me. Next comment down. The fact that he went. nuclear with the Facebook allegation. immediately after she mentioned divorce. would support the theory that he wanted. a divorce, but without the fault being. on him. Imagine being so callous and.

stupid to do something like that. Not. only to accuse someone of murder, but to. use your sister's death to your. advantage. This is insane. Poor OP. >> I just I haven't even understood it. since we first went through it. >> Yeah. It's not even like a what's in the box. >> where you're just dying to know. It's. just gotten so confusing. >> that yeah, I don't even know what to. think. I don't necessarily need another.

update. I mean, it'd be great, but it's. just like if we keep going down this. same path, it's just going to get more. confusing. It just the motive. There is. none. I don't even know how you. have a trial on this. to be such a crazy. mess. >> I know. >> But I just Yeah. I I can't think of I. can't wrap my head head around any part. of it. And it's scary because.

just simply getting And this is what we. talked about, just simply getting. accused. I mean, think how many people. wrongfully are out there serving. sentences that didn't do anything. >> I know. >> And that what I mean, honestly, what's. scarier than that? getting convicted of a murder that you. had nothing to do with and somehow you. get framed. >> I mean, I think it's just like that's. super scary, but it's also like having. your partner, someone you're married to, are in love with, have been with for.

years, you think you know them, all of a. sudden wakes up, accuses you of murder, doesn't talk to you, goes crazy on. Facebook. Like, is he maybe having an. affair and he saw this as an easy way. out? Dude, you can't be that big of a. coward. >> That isn't the easy way out, though. It. puts such a big spotlight on everything. >> Yeah. You know, that's why it doesn't. make sense. Any way that we spin it, it just doesn't. quite add up. >> Okay, this next one. This is coming from.

a relationship advice. It is titled, "My. 30 female student, 18 male, made a super. creepy comment. My husband, 35, male, thinks I'm being paranoid. I'm a high school English teacher and I. have been for a few years. In that time, as a woman, I've been used to teenage. boys awkwardly behaving around me. sometimes, and pherommones are kind of a. part of the deal. There have been. occasional comments, but generally in.

the vein of, "Miss so and so has a crush. on you,". >> or, "Miss, would you be so's Valentine?". It's all in good humor in front of the. whole class or a large group and is. seemingly well-meaning. My school throws a January ball for. seniors 16 to 18 which is basically an. opportunity to celebrate the start of. another calendar year as it's after. hours not every teacher has to attend. And this year I was asked to be a. chaperon. There is no alcohol permitted.

but obviously some of them sneak in hip. flasks and so on. During this month's. ball, two students were huddled at a. table in the corner of the hall, not. dancing, just keeping to themselves. I. know them well as problematic students. who have difficulties socially, but also. perform poorly academically. So, they. don't fit in with the popular crowd or. the nerdy lot. We have some of these. every year. Poor hygiene, greasy hair, long fingernails, that sort of thing.

Immediately, I could tell that they had. been drinking from the way that they. smelled and talked. and asked them to. hand over any alcohol they had. One of. the boys, let's call him Steuart, started protesting. He said the. following, and I'm 100% sure this is. what he actually said. Quote, "Come on, miss. Don't pretend you won't open that. bottle of Bailey's when you get home, feet up in your dressing gown, watching. the new TV. Give us a break." Now, as.

soon as he said this, I felt my heart. drop into my stomach, and I got cold all. over. I had just bought a bottle of. Bailey's Irish Cream for myself the. weekend before the dance. I am in the. habit on nights where I don't have much. marking or planning, and I want a treat. for myself of having a bath and watching. a movie or series in my dressing gown. My husband bought a new television over. Christmas. I asked him how he knew those things and.

he feigned ignorance, basically saying. it was a lucky guess. I was so shaken. that I left them and a short while later. they both left. But that night I could. barely sleep and my paranoia kept. growing. I simply cannot believe that he. could have guessed all three of those. things. One maybe, but no way all three. My husband is away for work currently. I. phoned and told him about it and he. basically downplayed my concerns saying.

I probably mentioned those things to my. class at various points and this student. just remembered it. But I would never. mention those things. I just wouldn't. and I'm sure I haven't. I've become more. skittish at home when I hear noises. I. only live in a small house. But when I. arrive home from buying groceries, I. check every single room and cupboard. before I lock the doors. >> I've also arranged to have the locks. changed. When cars stop outside the.

house, I turn all the lights off and. peek at them through the blinds. I'm. having trouble sleeping. In class, the. student is quiet and the same as ever, not completing homework assignments, distracted in class. My husband is. growing increasingly exasperated and. worried more for my mental health than. the possibility this student could. somehow know details of my personal. life. I mentioned it to my supervisor as. well and she also basically reasoned. that I had either misheard what he said.

it was a coincidence or a combination of. the two. What's the play here? I'm. seriously freaked out and I don't know. how to even begin putting this to rest. Yeah, I definitely have a bit of. surveillance paranoia. I feel so I I. really do relate to her in this. >> This is creepy. >> I get very scared especially if I'm like. watching a scary show or something that. someone's either in the house or someone.

could be watching or like if I'm at an. Airbnb like I check for cameras. Like I. definitely have always it started when I. was younger with religion and now I. think like like God like God was. watching and but now it's like like. someone. >> but I don't think like Bailey's is a. super like Irish coffee. I don't think. that's really I don't think that's a. super common drink that's not so there's. also Kalúa. There's other things you. could have picked like why Bailey's? Why. a dressing robe? >> Yeah. Does she have TV? Like does she.

have a big window in her living room? I. would wonder because people's addresses. are public information. Like it's really. not a huge stretch to think that like. obviously we don't know this kid and I'm. not saying that this is anything about. him, but just for anyone it's not that. hard to look up someone's name on the. white pages online and figure out their. address or even like their phone number. or anything like that, >> which you can use an app called like. delete me to get that stuff removed. Or.

like you could physically request from. each website that they remove your. information if you want to. But if you. don't opt out, like that's the default. that it's all on there. So it's not. crazy to be like, "Oh, maybe he's gone. to her house sometime and like looked at. her through her window." I mean, yeah. Or like the Bailey's would be something. It is the fact that it's all three. because like with the Bailey's, I'm. like, "Hey, maybe he saw you at the. liquor store or the grocery store.". >> Why would he be in a liquor? Yeah. You.

know, like maybe some grocery store. Yeah. Sell liquor. But I'm like, "Maybe. that's how he saw you." But like the new. TV and the dressing robe, like. >> I don't wear a dressing robe. Like I'm. usually in a big t-shirt sweat. So it's. like a dressing robe is very specific. Like not everyone wears a little moo. Like. >> I have a hard time believing it's not. it's a coincidence. And I think it's. really frustrating being in this. situation and like you're being told by.

everyone you're overreacting, you're. paranoid, and it's just like, but I'm. not like. >> I'm I need to trust my gut. It's the. same way when people like start getting. stalked and they know it and no one. believes them and no one takes a report. and no one wants to put a restraining. order and then they end up dead. >> Yeah. >> And granted, >> is this high school student going to. kill her? No. But there's clearly. something at play here. >> I mean, probably not. High school students can do that. I.

mean, >> I know. >> I the only thing I can think of, but I. would think that she would come up with. this idea if it were the case, like if. she ever posted, you know, a picture or. like a story on Instagram of her like, you know, like a selfie of like finally. settling in after a long day and like. watching my favorite show or I don't. know, something like that. like if it's. just social media stalking. Um, but I. but I do believe like she would have. come to that conclusion on her own if. that were the case of like, oh, maybe he. saw my Instagram. >> I think like.

>> step one would just be getting some. cameras around your house like on both. sides of it just so that you can have. that peace of mind of like if someone. were around my house right now and. looking at me like I would have gotten a. notification. I would know. I would see. it. like I can physically see that. there's been nobody at my windows or my. doors the past 24 hours. Like that would. feel good. I would also just like. obviously this is a very low chance of. it happening, but I would check the.

house for cameras. Like I would do all. of those things with like the light and. Yeah. Do you know the trick for checking. for cameras? Cuz I think it's really. good to do when you go to like Airbnbs, hotels, wherever you're staying that's. not your home. Is it the flashlight? Yeah. So, I've heard if you shut all the. lights off in a room and then use your. phone's camera. >> Mhm. >> then if you scan about with your phone's. camera, if there is another camera in. the room, you should see like an. infrared light. >> Yeah.

>> Um I know I'm sure there's like other. devices on Amazon and things like that, but that's one hack I've heard. There. also are apps where you connect it to. the Wi-Fi and then it can tell you every. single device that's on the Wi-Fi. So, if there's like a camera or like a. webcam on the Wi-Fi cuz obviously it. would need to be live stream or like it. would need to be connected. >> to like the network and it would be the. same network you're on. So, it'll like. show you every device on your network. and like if it's currently active. I.

honestly I feel like that's something I. want to download and like figure out how. to just check when I'm going places. I. don't know. Call me paranoid, but I just. I went to a crime junkie live show a. couple weekends ago and like they had. this case and like one of the people in. the cases was like a doctor who was like. installing cameras in toilets and. getting shots of like people's vaginas. and like crazy like shots. >> I get so scared about I get very. paranoid like using public restrooms. I. get paranoid every time. Not like.

severely. >> No, but you think about it. >> I do too. Mhm. >> I'm like I'm always like, "What's what's. happening here?" I've seen so many. videos on TikTok lately of like people. in bathrooms and like someone next to. them like puts a phone camera under the. stall or like they're at their Airbnb. and they open the basement door or like. a crawl space hatch and someone's in. there. >> You can never be too careful nowadays. Like. >> we live in a time where we have these. technologies. >> It's 2025. Install a camera. Like you.

should have cameras at least a doorbell. camera now. Yeah, >> at the bare minimum. Like, and there's a. comment here from OP. >> Thank you for the advice. I will invest. in some cameras. How do you advise I go. about communicating all this and. justifying it to my husband? >> Yeah, >> babe. It's 2025. We need cameras. >> Mhm. >> That's it. I don't even think you need. to justify getting cameras. Like, >> you don't need permission to get cameras. for the outside of your house from your. husband. >> And they're not even that expensive. anymore. Like, if you can get one of the.

or whatever, the blink ones. I love my. >> on sale. Yeah, is great. And you can get. solar powered ones. You never have to. charge them if you live in the right. area. >> Absolutely. And like he would benefit. from it too. Like it's just safe to have. that especially like hey your wife is. alone sometimes. You should want her to. feel safe and also you can feel like. she's safe. That should make you feel. good too. But I don't know. I understand. her. I literally passed I was driving. yesterday and I passed a spy store and.

it literally was like called the spy. store and I was like first of all I need. to go there sometime. But also I think. it's just a testament to how many ways. people can camouflage a camera now. Like. they can be wearing glasses and there's. a camera in it. Like they can have a pen. in their shirt and there's. >> Ray-B band glasses. >> Yeah. >> You would never never know what those. are. >> Yeah. Like Alejandra has them and like. they're so discreet and it's literally. just someone looking at you recording. with glasses. It's. >> Yeah, >> it's crazy. USB charging ports. Camera.

Well, also. >> pens camera. >> The um God, is it Jazelle Pedo? The one. whose husband. >> Yes, the French woman. The way that he. got found out was because he was sliding. like his camera underneath girls skirts. at a department store and a guy who. worked there insisted on like one of. them filing charges and they saw him. doing it on the camera. But like you. just have to be aware of your. surroundings and it sucks because there.

are so many methods now. to being creeps. I know there's also an. element of like seeing it online makes. you think it's more prevalent than it. is, but I don't think it's like bad to. be careful and to be aware. >> Just situational awareness is so. important. So important. But I don't. think OP was being crazy. >> It does remind me of a story. >> and I don't believe I've ever read it on. this podcast. Maybe maybe I get into it. for this month's Patreon full bonus. episode cuz it is kind of vintage and I. I know there's a lot of other podcasts.

that have probably read it, but there's. a story about this guy who who does. think people are breaking into his home. and there's like a plot twist that. happens with it that I don't want to. give away, but it it is reminding me of. that story. >> But I don't think knowing how that story. ends, I don't think it's the same. >> Oh, I know the story that you're talking. about. I don't think it's the same. situation here. I'm going to read it for. this month's full bonus episode on. Patreon. >> Mhm. >> So, if you want, come over there.

>> Yeah. I mean, at the end of the day, there is a there's always a small chance. that it was a guess and that um it's a. crazy guess and somehow he figured it. out. Or maybe he did see her at the. store and then guess the rest of it or. whatever. Like of course there's a small. chance that that's a possibility, but I. don't think it hurts to just get cameras. in your house. Check for cameras already. existing. Um maybe remove your address. from those websites. Like those things.

don't hurt you. Yeah. So smart. You a. lot of good recommendations, Michaela. Okay, so let's get into some comments. from OP here. So someone goes, "My thing. is, why would he say new TV? I could. believe if he said drinking some wine, watching TV in your dressing gown, but. being extremely specific about your. drink of choice and new TV that. >> is a little scary. Wine is the trope. TV. is what you would think people do. Dressing gown is cozy, but those added. details make it not a coincidence. And.

that's what I would assume. Woman, wine. >> TV, reality show, Netflix series, whatever. Dressing gown. Okay. Robe, insert robe, insert whatever. Like I. would assume big t-shirt, but. >> Bailey's dressing gown. New TV. They. just got it in December. >> I missed the new I missed that he said. new TV. >> New TV. Okay, that's Yeah. So he goes, "Exactly. Exactly. If it was just you're. going to have some Bailey's or you'll. have some Bailey's in front of your TV.". Like, okay, but those comments plus the.

new TV. Next comment down. Is it. possible that you or your husband were. observed buying the new TV and the. Bailey's? The students parents could. have seen either purchase and said, "Oh, throwaway jade, whatever. Just got a new. large 65 in TV." I agree. You should do. a sweep for cameras or ask a techish. friend for help. But that would. necessitate figuring out how the cameras. got there, which opens up a larger. conspiracy. And that is so [ __ ] true. Like, if.

there's cameras in her home, >> right? >> How the [ __ ] did they get there? That's. like not the end of the story. That's. not like, oh, we found them, now we're. safe because we removed them. You have. to find out like how they got in. >> How long have you been living there? >> Did you recently buy the home? Did you. recently move in and you're renting? >> Were they there before? How do these. students have access to those cameras? So then your students broke into your. home and put these cameras in your home. like. >> Right. That What the. >> Yeah. Which I'm glad she already changed.

the locks. She said that right. >> She's getting them changed. the locks. change. I I also think there's an. element of this of like it's a woman. >> talking about these concerns to her. husband who is a man who's probably. never really thinking about this kind of. thing. Like she's she's brought it up in. person to people who, >> you know, they just don't have to worry. about being followed or like being. attacked or whatever in the same way and. they're not vulnerable in the same way. >> Yes. Because I remember the first time I.

told Justin like, "I genuinely think. about getting kidnapped every day.". >> He was like, "What?". >> Yeah. >> He He couldn't rationalize that because. that's not a fear he's ever had. >> Like there's such an intuition with. women because we. >> socially. >> do have to be more on edge and aware. >> Mhm. >> And that's why like gossip between women. is an evolutionary way we keep each. other alive. Like gossip is important. >> Gossip gab. >> Yes. Don't gatekeep. >> Yeah. >> Jesus me.

>> So OP does ask, "How can I sweep for. cameras? Genuinely want to know.". >> Mhm. >> And someone goes, "Open your Bluetooth. and see if there are any weird devices.". Obviously, if you live in an apartment. building, this probably won't work. because you'll pick up your neighbor's. stuff. They sell devices that look for. hidden cameras, but I think it's just. something that emits a beam of light. that would bounce off a camera lens. I've never seen one that seems worth. buying. Otherwise, I don't have any. suggestions. And OP goes, "There are.

some devices I don't recognize in the. morning. It's late here. I'll go ask my. neighbors to try and rule some out. Thank you." Holy [ __ ] OP has another. comment here. It's in response to. someone and it goes, "Well, I'm in it, but not that area. If there was a. camera, logically, it would have to be. transmitting, so probably use a Wi-Fi. connection. I've read that skimmers and. gas station credit card payment units. can send data through Wi-Fi so the bad. actor doesn't have to retrieve it. That. Wi-Fi should show up on your phone if.

you look at various Wi-Fi offerings on. your phone. >> You'd have to take into consideration. closeness of your neighbors. How a. camera got there is another puzzle. Okam's razor says to look at the easier. likelihood. So, can someone be looking. in your window as you sip your Bailey's. in a night gown and also notice your. recycle bin with a discarded LG TV box. recently? Oh, yeah. OP goes, "Similarly, a long list of Wi-Fi devices popping up. longer than the Bluetooth list. I'll try. and get my immediate neighbors to rule. some out, but there will still probably.

be a few left over." I mean, yeah, I. would have all of my friends come over. and we turn off the lights and we all. are looking with flashlights. where like. you I mean like you have to take out. sometimes the lighting fixtures, look. under the lighting fixtures, vents, >> um fans. Yeah, there are definitely. videos on TikTok I think of like people. Yeah. or like what they do when they. enter a hotel room or an Airbnb for the. first time, like all of the places they. look. >> and it would be places that someone.

would expect would get a view of what. they're trying to get, you know? So, like your random shoe closet probably. doesn't have one in there cuz what would. they get from that? But like in your. bathroom with a good view of like the. toilet in the shower, like that would be. the first place to look. I hope that's not the case, but like I. mean it would just give so much peace of. mind if you did look at all these. things.

I think it's more likely the window or. like the recycling bin theory. This episode has turned in from give. what's the scoop, give me the scoop to. gave me goosebumps. Like the whole. episode I'm just like. >> what is happening here? >> Mhm. >> We have an update. >> No, we do. Yeah, we have an update. >> I'm like I'm so scared to read it. >> You haven't read it yet? >> I haven't read it. Oh my god. Okay. I. don't want to read it. >> Oh my god.

>> What did I do to us? >> We're going to get so paranoid this. week. We're going to be texting each. other. Like, dude, don't be listening to. this episode alone. It's too late to. tell people that now. Like, everyone's. already locked in. Like, >> yeah, >> it's home. I'm alone at It's 3:00 a.m. Morgan, what the [ __ ] I'm so sorry, you. guys. >> Mhm. >> Okay, my eyes are watering. I'm like so. scared. Update. I wasn't expecting this post to receive. so much attention. I'm really grateful. to so many people who have validated my.

concerns and helped me develop a plan of. action. I got home a little a little a. little. >> I got home a little. >> a little while ago and I'm going out. shortly with a friend to try to rule out. Bluetooth and Wi-Fi devices with my. neighbors. After that, the two of us. will try and conduct a meticulous search. of the house for any concealed devices. using the lights out phone camera trick. some people recommended and some other. tricks I found online. Just to clarify a.

couple of points that I've seen raised a. few times. Dressing gown is a really. common term in England for what. Americans might call a robe. It's. absolutely common parlance here. Most. people I know would associate a robe. with something a wizard might wear. In. terms of it being a lucky guess, if he. had just said relax with a glass of. wine, I might have assumed so. >> But the dressing gown comment plus the. Bailey's comment when I just bought a. bottle and the explicit mention of a new.

television, which I'm 100% certain I did. not misinterpret. These things make it. so much harder to write off as a. coincidence. As far as social media. goes, I have Instagram, which is set to. private, under my maiden name, and my. profile picture is not of me. I'm not in. the habit of connecting with former. students. I only have three who have all. gone to study English at a university. and have used me as a reference. I also. have a Snapchat, which I only use with. my husband and very close friends. I've.

posted nothing about my new television, and I also don't think I've mentioned. this to colleagues, let alone students. Certainly, I said nothing about the. Bailey's I just bought. And that's so. true. You're not going to tell your. underage students, "Yeah, I'm gonna go. home and drink a glass of Bailey's.". >> Yeah. Or like, "Hey everyone, I just. bought a new TV." Like to your kid or to. your You would remember like talking. about that. >> I'm so excited to go home and have. Bailey's in front of my new TV in my. dressing robe. >> Also, why would anyone opt for a longer. sentence that's more specific with all. of these extra words than just saying,

"Relax with a glass of wine." Like, people don't opt for these. >> really adjective riddled sentences with. all these extra details for no reason. >> No, they know something. And they wanted. it to be specific to jar her so that she. would leave them alone and they could. keep their alcohol. >> Mhm. >> Maybe they're part of a spy club. I. don't Oh, maybe they're in the CIA. Okay, update. number two. I wasn't going to post an.

update here, but the number of worried. people who have reached out to me made. me reconsider. After a thorough search. of my house, I found two devices. What? Dude, what the [ __ ] They seem to be. camera devices. I don't know if audio is. included. One of them was in the smoke. detector in my bedroom, while the other. was concealed in the wall of my living. room. Looking at an old picture of my. bedroom, it looks like the smoke.

detector itself has changed very. slightly. I think that the new one is a. device in itself which the culprit. somehow switched with the old one. without us noticing. >> Dude, what? >> What the [ __ ]. >> Like I know that's kind of what we were. saying, but that like what? >> They came into her house and changed the. smoke detector. So it's like that makes. me think it's someone with a key. Is it. a maintenance person? Literally again. Oh my god. I hate getting goosebumps. like this. or like I don't know getting.

through a window or like maybe they're. not always the best at locking the door. or I don't like maybe how does an. 18-year-old know how to rewire a smoke. detector though? >> Well, actually I did see this on Law and. Order SVU a couple weeks ago. There was. an Oh my god. >> No, there wasn't. It's like you just buy. a smoke detector that's a camera and you. just like twist it in. But don't you. have to unplug wires and like know how. to like. >> like shut the breaker off? >> Cuz it might not even be like a working.

smoke detector that they put in there. It's just something to look like a smoke. detector. So they don't even need to do. >> And in the bedroom the bedroom there's. probably a sex tape of her. >> Yeah. No, that's. >> And what are where are they putting it? Where are they posting it? >> I don't know. And how do you find it in. the millions and millions and millions. and millions of sex tapes online? How. would you ever find that to get it. removed? >> No, I feel like she needs to get him. arrested before tipping him off. That. way there's a chance that like this. could all be deleted before he could.

like send it anywhere or anything. Yeah, they clearly need to like question these. kids. >> Yeah. OP goes on to say, "The matter has. now been referred to the police. If it. wasn't for so many of you taking me. seriously and giving me practical. advice, I wouldn't have had the courage. to check, especially given the fact my. husband was downplaying the concerns. >> Mhm. >> He has been very apologetic and is. coming back from his work trip early, but I've asked to spend some time apart. and will be staying with my parents for. a while. Yeah. How do you even ever like.

feel safe in that home again? I'm glad I raised the issue with my head. at my school and a couple of others as. there's a paper trail, another. suggestion from this thread. >> Needless to say, I'm completely shaken. to my core and I have the most revoling. feelings of my privacy being invaded. I. have no idea how many people have been. involved in this, but phones have been. taken from students, and we should have. more answers soon. I won't be making any. more posts or updates. Thank you again.

for everyone affirming me and making me. feel sane. Dude, I actually want to cry. right now. Like, that's so violating and. scary. And I mean, she's a teacher. Like, she she needs to be taken. seriously. She needs to be like. respected. like this is also. I don't know kind of a threat to her. career with these like kids potentially. passing around. videos of her in her most like private. intimate moments like that's just so.

terrible. Well, the only thing too like. the fact that you brought up Jazelle, the French woman who just went through. like the most horrendous experience and. like trigger warning essay, >> her husband drugged her for years and. years and years and basically like let. other men come over and assault her. Like. >> terrible, terrible situation. >> And. >> because of that, my head goes to what if. the husband was the one that installed. these cameras? He has access to the.

house, access to their bedroom, and was trying to downplay and say she. was paranoid. >> Yeah. I mean, >> like the likelihood these kids. >> get in there. It's like maybe he posted. the stream. >> connect with. >> I don't know. Like he could have posted. the stream like. >> Rose like wherever they live, Roseville. teacher live stream. >> and like maybe that's how the students. came across it. Like. >> I don't know. I would definitely like.

search his phone and his credit card. history as well and see if there's any. like. >> anything that stands out because. >> it would be very scary to like then. always wonder that. >> hopefully. when they do question these kids they. find out how they did it like like maybe. the answer is oh I was just watching a. live stream and then now that opens up. all of these questions with the people. she actually knows. Or maybe they say, "Oh, you know, like the door was open.".

And then, you know, that's still bad, but at least she doesn't have to wonder. about anyone who has access to her home. You know, >> that's very scary though. And. unfortunately, like one of the saddest. things about these situations is that. it's so often the person you trust the. most. >> But I don't know, like high school kids. can be really evil. Like I was never. evil in high school, but I'm certainly a. much better person than I was then and. then like I you know you think about. other people and like before your.

frontal lobe develops and before you. really like. >> I mean this happens at a different rate. for everybody but before you have. empathy for other people in this same. way and like understand that other. people are just as complex of human. beings as you are. Like there there are. >> there can be very bad high schoolers who. are capable of bad things. And what's. crazy is that would be the best case. scenario for her at this point. >> versus her husband.

>> or an inside job. >> Mhm. >> I'm telling you, insider info like. >> Yeah. >> Wait, someone knows something. And I. really do hope OP, if you're out there. listening, one, I hope you're, you know, doing okay and safe and hopefully. getting more of a piece of mind back in. all of this. >> Yeah. But I do think this story, you. know, if you do get an update and you do. find out who and how and why and. whatever, like I do think it could help. others by updating again. So if you're.

out there, let us know. >> So this is coming from our/ relationship. advice. I have many, many house plans. and even some that were quite expensive. and were gifts from my sister. Within. the last six months, at least a third of. my plants have died. I have had house. plants my whole life due to my late. mother's own love of house plants. And I. know a lot about plants. The death of. the plants didn't seem related to a lack.

of light or inconsistent watering or a. lack of nutrients or even root rot. They. just died very suddenly. I tried to not. let it upset me too much because plants. die and it was not any of the expensive. ones until now. My sister gave me a five. leaf monstera elbow rooted plant for my. birthday 2 months ago. It was beautiful. This morning I was crying pretty hard. about it as I unpotted it and took a. look at the roots and I was looking hard.

at this plant and roots to see if its. death was pest related. And that's when. I noticed a smell. I sniffed my potting. mix and I smelled bleach. The only other. adult person in my home with unlimited. and unobserved access to my plants is my. husband. >> I wasn't able to talk to him for several. hours, but when I could speak to him, I. very calmly but very directly asked if.

he had done something to my plants. He. denied it at first. I said I smelled. bleach in the potting mix of the elbow. my sister had gotten me and that the. only other person that could have put it. in there was him and he caved. He said. he was putting small amounts of bleach. into the fertilizer water jugs I. prepare. I started crying. I asked him. why. Why would you do this? You know I. love these plants. Why would you destroy. them? He didn't really answer nor did he.

really apologize. The trust I had in him is absolutely. gone. I think maybe counseling could. help us, but he is the one that did. this, but I'm the one that would have to. set up the counseling. The angry part of. me just wants to be done with the. relationship. I know that might seem. overboard as we are married and share a. child, but I feel now that I'm not safe. around my husband. What do I do? I I was. going to say I This might sound dramatic.

to you, but leave. I'm freaked out. This is creepy stuff. Why do you just kill all these plants? Bleach? Why are you putting bleach in. stuff? What else are you putting bleach. in? Are you putting bleach in my food? And not to be apologetic, not to have an. answer. Not to apologize. >> This scares me. This is terrifying. >> Yeah, this is reminding me of the slug. guy. Oh, flashbacks. And yes, it's it's. way less extreme, but it's still it's. this weird thing to do that just makes.

you question everything about the person. that you know and trust and love because. it's like it's a power thing or it's I'm. trying to like pinpoint what it could. possibly be, but you're essentially. knowingly killing something that brings. this person joy, something that they. love. Well, and if you. >> You're causing them pain on purpose. >> Exactly. And maybe if you would have. responded right away and just said, >> "I don't know. Plants drive me [ __ ]. crazy. I wanted you to just give up on. them because I don't like them in the. house, but I didn't want to ruin it for.

you." And blah blah blah. Like, then. maybe I wouldn't think he's as crazy, but he'd still suck. But like, I. actually am scared. I'm actually scared. of him. >> I am too. >> with the like No, there's no reason. That freaks me out. There's no remorse. There's no empathy. It's just. >> no remorse. No explanation. I'm a little freaked out. >> Yeah, this is crazy. >> Top comment. I don't know your partner. Hopefully, you do, but proceed with.

great caution. >> Yeah, >> you may want to give this a read. >> And it is linked to a story that is. titled. >> Slug Story. >> I found my partner's been putting slugs. in my foot. Oh my god, I was kidding. >> It's literally linked to that story. >> I felt really off my game this episode, so that makes me feel a little better. >> No, I And I I'm with you. Like anytime. someone tampers with someone's stuff in.

a harmful way, I immediately start. wondering what else are they capable of? >> Yes, this is just plants, but plants. turn into people real easy. Well, and. you know that sounded weird, but you. guys know what I meant, right? Plants. don't actually turn into people. Oh my god. But yeah. Um, no. And I mean, I had somebody that I lived with who I. really trusted and found out that she. was stealing a lot from me, not even for.

any rhyme or reason, because she came. from a very wealthy family. She didn't. even use the things she would take a lot. of the times. And to me, it wasn't even. about the things that were gone. It was. more of like questioning everything. else. Like this is someone I thought I. knew and now I now I don't know. And now. I don't know you. So to me, like I take. this stuff seriously. >> That's so terrifying to question your. sanity. >> Yeah.

>> And just like be [ __ ] with like that. Well, and and that's exactly what this. story is is because it's like for me. like I kept missing things and it was am. I I was going crazy like it was like how. am I how do I continue to lose these. things? I don't understand. And that's. what it's making me think with this. story because OP is like how do I keep. letting these plants die? I'm trying to. do everything right. So, it's it's more. of the like mind [ __ ] that gets me where. it's like maybe the person who I was.

living with just like maybe maybe it. wasn't harmful. It was just a weird. nervous tick, but to me it's the the way. that my brain felt during all of that. made it be enough for me to create a lot. of separation. >> Yeah. Just insane. There is a comment. that kind of highlights more of these. instances. It is in response to the person sharing. the slug thread. This is the first story. I thought about. Also, a more recent one.

where a woman's husband was secretly. destroying or giving away her stuff. because he was resentful of her and. wanted to see her upset and crying. Psycho behavior. Next comment. Or the. guy who was deleting his girlfriend's. homework and messing with her PhD. thesis/coursework. so she would fail. or the other guy who. was stealing and hiding his partner's. EpiPen. Or that woman who got her. boyfriend fired from every job he had by. making false anonymous complaints about.

him. >> Oh my god. >> Really scary stuff. Starts off small and. the trusting partner starts to gaslight. themselves thinking this is too. outlandish to be real. But dot dot dot. like he killed her plants slowly but. surely. Not in a fit of anger, but with. cold calculation and patience. It's so. creepy. >> That is so freaking creepy. >> Yeah. I mean, when you picture him doing. that, like going and sneaking into her. little uh watering thing and pouring in.

some bleach when he thinks that she's. not looking. Scary. It's scary. I'm I'm. genuinely I'm scared. I would be testing. all my food. I would. >> not eat anything he prepared. Like I. would be so scared what else he's. tampering with. >> You know what crazy. >> also freaks me out is the fact that they. share a child together because. you're tied to them. Well, not not only. that, but then it's like what does. custody look like? And if you can't. trust this person yet they're not doing.

anything that's outright enough to get. custody. >> Yeah. Then it's just like, are you going to be nervous every single. time you have to drop your kid off? Do. you know what I mean? Like. just bad. Just bad. Yeah, there's no comments from OP, but we do. have some edits. >> Oh, edit number one. I thank everyone. for giving advice. The town home we live. in is mine and my sisters are.

inheritance from my mother. My husband. has an office/den/gaming. room that is his personal space and. there are no plants there. There are. also no plants in the kitchen. I'm not a. plant hoarder. Like he has room for. himself. I also have a sun room and that. is where the concentration of plants. live. He has no reason to go in there. It's not access to our backyard or. anything. I saw some people saying maybe. he's sick of bugs, but I do not have a. fungusnat problem. I did see one person.

ask why I did not smell the bleach when. I was watering. And I can only say my. nose wasn't all up in there. Maybe I. also usually use a natural systemic in. my fertilizer water called SNS209. that smells heavily of rosemary, but I. ran out last month and haven't replaced. it yet. Why is this on her at all? >> Why are we asking all these like you. have too many plants? Maybe he's annoyed. of them. >> Doesn't [ __ ] matter. Have a. conversation. Don't kill my [ __ ].

plants. >> Right. I think that what I'm thinking is. that maybe they're just trying to get. down to the bottom of it. Like is this. serious scary [ __ ] Or is it still. extremely concerning? But like there's. at least. a motive behind it that makes sense. rather than just being evil. >> Yeah. >> You know what I mean? >> After our conversation yesterday, I. needed space. I spent the night in my. daughter's room on a trundle bed. I'm. going to text my husband today. He.

usually communicates easier and opens up. more via text rather than face to face. I'm going to ask for a reason and I'll. see what he says. Edit two. Sorry, I'm. not sure if I'm supposed to update on a. separate post. My husband won't be. welcome in my home anymore and I need to. find a lawyer ASAP on Monday. Did. something else happen or just after. reading everything? I did text him and. he admitted again to putting bleach in. my fertilizer water. He says it wasn't. every jug I ever made. So that explains.

why it wasn't all my plants dying, but. randomly over the past 6 months. His. exact words were that I deserved to be. knocked down a peg. What the [ __ ] for having plants, for having a passion, for having a. hobby, for caring about a living organism. What does that even mean? She needs to. be knocked down a peg. Is he saying.

that? Yeah. What is he saying is my. question. >> What does that mean? >> Is he saying that? Was he trying to say. she has too many plants and he wants to. have less? Or is he actually being a. freak right now? >> You think you think you're better than. me cuz you have plants. You need to be. knocked down a peg because I own the. house we live in and I have plants in. it. What? Red flags. After the text communication, I went home from work early and I. entered his office. I usually respect. his space. Absolutely. I don't even go.

in there to grab dirty dishes. I don't. know what I was looking for, but the. hundreds of comments saying he was. working up to something worse or already. doing something else really worried me. I went in there and I found a drawer. full of my daughter's dolls and. dollhouse furniture and little toys. I. bought her that dollhouse for her fourth. birthday last year and she loved it. She. takes such good care of her toys, but. something always ends up missing and. it's always my husband who notices. He.

lectures her about keeping track of her. things and how he won't let her play. with her dollhouse if she keeps losing. things. I'm sick. >> He keeps going until she starts to sob. When I hear this going on, I always step. in and ask him to take a break. I. assumed he was losing his cool. I've. told him this is not how to deal with. this with a kid, and he says he just. wants her to grow up responsible. I now.

see it was some weird scheme. >> I'm so sick. >> Or setup or something. He would steal. the stuff and stash it away and point. out it was gone to berate our daughter. until she cried. Wow. My sister and her husband and her. husband's dad came over this afternoon. and they've changed the locks. I've. texted him to tell him he isn't coming. back and that he can come on Saturday. morning to grab his essential things, but that my brother-in-law and another.

man would be there to watch. >> Good. Sorry if this is unclear or things. seem missing. This Reddit post isn't. really my priority. It will probably not. be updating again. Thank you to everyone. worried about my safety. Wow. Holy [ __ ] [ __ ] I literally got. the chills in the worst way. Like the. heebie-jebies is what I should call. them. this sick mental psychological. torture game you're doing with a [ __ ].

child. He's a psychopath. Like, I'm. terrified. Oh my god. We have an update. What? Trigger warning. for this update. It does contain talks. of domestic violence. This update comes 6 months later. >> Oh my god. >> It actually just happened September 6th. The original post was March 21st. I. recently got some messages asking me for.

an update and to let the internet know. I'm safe. My daughter and I are both. safe. Without getting into too much. detail, but to satiate the curious, my. husband, the man I thought I knew, has. changed so much that I think of it like. him ripping off a mask. He has sworn at. me, screamed at me, and pushed me to the. ground twice and kicked me in the face. Wow. Our entire marriage, I was never. ever afraid of physical violence from. this man. The police have been involved.

Divorce is still in progress. After an. initial period of intense anger, my. husband seemingly stopped caring at all. He said he doesn't want any custody and. he wants to give up his parental rights. of our daughter. He doesn't see her. In. the last month, I have heard he actually. has a new girlfriend. His parents still. talked to me. I was on good terms with. his mom. Also, a friend of my husband's. who has been friends with him since. college reached out to me to ask what is.

going on. We texted. He says my husband. has ghosted that entire group of friends. he still had after someone in the group. called him out for some of his. assholeish behavior. One positive thing. that is also sad is that my daughter is. bright and wonderful. There has been. such a profound change to her behavior. since her dad has been gone. >> She's happy and silly and joyful. I. guess there's been a change in both her. and my behavior. I think of it like the.

frog in the boiling pot. I was sitting. there boiling to my death and never. realized. We lived in a house of walking. on eggshells. If my husband was upset, he would infect the house with. hostility. I'm not sure I can describe. it. I was constantly on guard and never. able to relax. I was not afraid of. physical violence, though, so I don't. want to describe it as something more. serious than it was. Thank you all for. making me realize I was in that boiling. pot. The sub says I need to pose a.

question to post. What can I do for my. daughter to let her know she's safe and. loved always? I know I failed her. whenever I heard her dad yelling at her. about the dollhouse. I can say I tried. to step in at all times when I heard it. going on, but that doesn't seem enough. I feel so guilty. She's on a waiting. list for therapy. Our structure is still. the same. She looks like she's thriving, but I just don't know. Oh, don't feel. guilty. You did the best. You did the. best you could do. I.

Oh, this is I as horrible as the story. is, the ending makes me so happy because. it just also feels like this is the. positive side of the Reddit community. like shining this light. I mean, I'm OP. would have figured it out eventually, but just being able to have this. community behind her. Like, this is the. part of Reddit that I really love. because I love and also I'm like so. thankful that he didn't want custody, but it's like I don't even know if he. would have gotten custody if he wanted.

to because of what he did. So, it's just. like as as awful as the situation is, I'm so happy that it all played out in. without this nasty custody battle and. that the daughter and that OP are. brighter and lighter and happier and. that Reddit was able to um be a source. of hopefully comfort and awareness. So, >> there's just a lot of feels behind that. But, I literally almost started crying. Like, thank you all for making me.

realize I was in that boiling pot. >> I mean, you said it so well. I just. >> It's amazing that people have. >> a place they can turn to when they just. feel like they're not being heard or. they feel like they're crazy or am I. overreacting? Is this weird? Scared, alone, everything. So, I mean, I thank. God every day for Reddit. My my life is. forever changed because of it and all of. you guys. And I think the only lesson. here is the power of community and good.

people. And it is never too late to get. out. There's a story I read for one of. our September full bonus episodes. Actually, it's in the first tier. It is. one of the bonus stories. So, it's in. the basic entry level tier. But this. story gets into. this website. And this website is called. loveisrespect.org. There is a quiz on this website that.

essentially. you answer these questions and it tells. you if your relationship is healthy and. respectful and a loving relationship or. if your relationship could be on the. toxic side. It is by far one of the best. organizations I've come across recently. When you enter their website, it stops. you with a warning and it says, "Heads. up. If your browser history can be. monitored without your knowledge, it can. never be wiped completely. Think your.

internet might be monitored? Call us. instead. You can quickly leave this. website at any time by clicking X at the. top right or by pressing the escape key. twice. >> It has built-in protections for people. If you hit X or hit the escape key. twice, it immediately goes to Google. If. you hit the back button, it goes back to. Google. >> Amazing. >> So, if any of you are out there and feel. that you might be in a unhealthy.

relationship or honestly, I think this. is a quiz that everyone should take. >> Yeah, might as well. >> see. I I'm like in the middle of it. I. started as we were doing this bonus. story and I just haven't had time yet. But take it. Justin's like. No, it's um it's really important to. just make sure and you know we can get. so accustomed to things and it's it's. hard like the lesson here is like it's. it's hard to see when you're in it. It's.

hard to even know something's wrong when. you're so used to it. And you're married. with a kid. And. >> I think that. >> it's hard. >> All of us can look back at our. relationships and see things that were. really hard to either see or really. fully like understand or acknowledge. while you were in the relationship. There's just. >> That's why they have the phrase. hindsight 2020. Literally. Literally. I. just want to make it very clear like. with this story especially like there's.

no lesson for OP to learn like. >> I really didn't know where this story. was going and you know it it's more so a. lesson for us like be there for the. people in your life. Make sure your. family who you question is in an. unhealthy relationship is supported. >> Yeah. >> Maybe share the link for the love is. respect.org quiz. But. >> I'm just so happy that she's safe. I. mean that physical violence is. absolutely [ __ ] horrific. So.

>> yeah, unacceptable. >> This next one is coming from AI. Another. form of Am I the [ __ ] Basically, it's 2 months old titled Am I the. [ __ ] for hating my wife's creepy. project. >> H Okay, this sounds insane, but I swear. my wife is a totally normal person. otherwise, which makes this so strange. to me. For context, we're both in our. late30s and live in a pretty typical. suburban neighborhood where we all know.

each other. My wife has always loved. trashy movies and shows about. infidelities, and she eats up true crime. about spouses killing their cheating. partners, too. She just says something. about it makes her morbidly fascinated. in her own words. Well, a couple of. months back, we had a scandal in our. neighborhood where a married couple in. the neighborhood divorced because the. husband cheated. No, there wasn't a. murder or anything like that, but she. became obsessed with learning every.

detail from every neighbor. No matter. the occasion, be it a baby shower or. cookout, she would bring it up, hoping. there would be some new information. A. month later is when I stumbled upon the. board in her home office. I was doing. some cleaning and I found a massive. bulletin board facing away leaned up. against the wall. Curiosity got the. better of me and I turned it around to. find a literal [ __ ] conspiracy board.

of all of our neighbors pictures with. lines of yarn connecting each other like. the [ __ ] Pepe Sylvia meme. >> I love her. I was totally confused and. asked where this was and she told me it. was a hobby she had started recently. where she would track rumors or likely. candidates for the cheating board. >> I love it. >> The yarn represented who was possibly. cheating with whom. She had clearly. gotten all of the images on Facebook or.

some social media and printed them out. and even had a few sticky notes with. details. I told her this was creepy and. insane. And she said maybe if I was. doing it as a man, but she is just. having harmless fun as a hobby and she. wouldn't be crazy and try to oust anyone. based on these rumors. She just likes. feeling like a detective. She told me to. view it like a creative art piece. I was still super weirded out, but I let.

it go or tried to. I thought about it a. lot. Well, every now and then I admit to. checking the board while cleaning, but. just a couple of days ago, I looked to. see that now I was on the board with a. piece of yarn attached to a neighbor's. wife that I am casual friends with. I. asked her why she would add me if she. thought I was cheating. And she said. that was a different yarn color for. potential matches for cheating. She said.

if it makes me feel better, she was. planning on adding herself to the board. soon. Well, I got pissed and kind of. lost my temper about it. I told her to. get rid of the board or our marriage. will be in trouble. Things have been. super rocky since. Sorry for the long. post. I'm starting to feel bad and it. hit me more than usual this morning. Should I apologize to her? And before. you ask, no, I don't suspect her of. cheating. Honestly, I wish she was.

because it would at least make more. sense than this. >> Mhm. >> Am I the [ __ ]. That's a hard one. This is quite the. hobby. >> I don't think I don't think he's the. [ __ ] only because he's concerned and. he's bringing it up to his wife. >> Yeah. >> Um as you should. >> I think you're allowed to say how you're. feeling. >> Oh, totally. Like, hey, this is a little. weird. >> Yeah. >> But like a little creeped out. Yeah, as. someone who is um I'm not nosy, but I do.

like to investigate Snoop. Yeah. >> I'm so nosy. >> And if she's living in the suburbs, I. don't blame her. Like there's nothing to. do. No. >> So, you start watching your neighbors. and you get to know them and then you. start creating, I don't know, a little. database. >> I watch my neighbors now. Like I I feel. like I'm like, "What are they doing down. there? He's got that sign in his yard. Uh-huh. >> The other neighbor across the street did. a big banner for retaliation. They're at.

war. He put a camera on the street sign. now. >> Yeah. >> My neighborhood is like filled to the. brim with tea like this. I get it. completely. >> Me, too. >> Would I make the board? >> I don't know. >> Would you would you make the board? >> I would make the board only cuz I'm. psycho like that. I'm a very visual. person, so I need to see everything. Um, but I feel like look, >> they should compromise.

>> She can still have her hobby and have. her little detective work going, but. instead of a board, maybe put it into a. notebook, >> write down everyone's name, all and just. keep it more private. >> It doesn't need to be displayed out. >> in the house and get a little it just. like. >> it sounds like something that she's. doing for fun. >> Um, and treat it like a little personal. diary. What would happen if a neighbor. came over and saw the board? >> God, how embarrassing. >> You'd have to move. You'd have to.

literally have to move. >> or make up some weird lie that you're. now going to have to keep up forever. about what you're doing. And. >> yeah. >> Oh my gosh. >> So, I think the board's a little much. Maybe just like copy it into a notebook, >> but let her keep doing it. It's keeping. keeping her busy. >> I know. >> there's other hobbies, too. She can. Potteryy's fun. Um, pottery is fun. >> I want to get into sewing. It's on my. list. >> I sewing's so fun. >> It's on my list.

>> Yeah, she could do that. >> There's a lot to try. >> But I guess my biggest question is. what's her end goal? >> That is Yeah, >> like she's getting all the pieces and. stuff like what is she doing with this. information? Well, do you also kind of. find it weird where I don't know how he. got to this point, but he even kind of. said, and before you ask, "No, I don't. suspect her of cheating.". >> Mhm. >> My mind didn't go there.

>> So, I'm curious why his went there. And. it's like did he kind of ponder like. maybe she's making this board. to. detract like to kind of take the heat. off her like if there's strings and oh. you're on the board babe to the neighbor. that you are friends with and I'll put. myself on the board soon. It is. interesting where it's like is this a. part of a whole elaborate scheme to. maybe hide an affair cuz I didn't go. there. >> I didn't go there either.

>> I'm like I'm very surprised he did. Yeah, me too. But I guess maybe he's. thinking like she's setting this all up. or maybe he's thinking what other people. might be thinking. Yeah. Is that she's. setting this all up to make sure like. who knows what and is it going to get. back. >> to to her and her husband or something. >> But I don't think that's the case. Like. if you're having an affair, you're not. doing you're not doing that much. >> I feel like you wouldn't make it so. >> like a billboard. Like this is a board. in your home. Like, right. >> Are you're going to connect the dots for.

him. >> to take the heat off? >> Yeah. So, >> something like that. >> I don't think he's having an affair. >> That would be another level of. gaslighting to like literally put your. affair on the board with a a yarn string. connecting. >> That'd be insane. >> That'd be kind of fun. >> That'd be insane. >> Top comment on this one. I really. couldn't see it getting weirder until. she mentioned adding herself to the. board. This is a strange game your. wife's playing and it seems like an. unhealthy obsession with infidelity,

right? This is her way of admitting to. cheating. I'm so confused. >> So, other people in the comments are. kind of making that she's cheating. >> I guess. a next comment is I'm thinking more. fantasizing about doing it. If she was. actually doing it, she wouldn't need. this creepy hobby to keep her occupied, >> which is what you said. Like you're kind. of like if she was having an affair, like she wouldn't be doing all of this. >> You wouldn't be doing that. And you. would get a diary. You wouldn't make a.

big like you just said billboard in the. house of like your affair. Yeah. >> I don't think she's having an affair. I. think she's bored. >> I really think she's bored and she found. something like exciting going on. >> Everyone's having an affairs and there's. probably like little lies and little. stories and she's just piecing it. together. >> Oh my god. If anything, she should write. some kind of gossip blog. >> A book. >> A book. >> A book. >> Something. >> A TV show. It's giving Desperate. Housewives. >> Yeah, suburban housewives. Like, come. on. I love that [ __ ]. >> It could be so good. >> It could be really good. So, maybe they.

should he the partner should nurture it. so she could write a book and do. something with that information that. she's collected. >> Could buy you a bigger house in a nicer. neighborhood. >> Or maybe she's gathering blackmail to. use against all of her neighbors just in. case something happens. >> Well, >> cuz if you got dirt on everyone, then. they're not going to write you out to. HOA. >> Oh my gosh. I have hor. >> I've got I have HOA horror stories, too. >> Yeah, I have horror stories, but I.

>> I paid for trauma. >> Oh my god, it's insane what people do. with HOAs. It's It's nuts. H [ __ ] HOAs. But we have an update on this one. >> Oh, okay. Great. >> I know. >> I love this. >> I know. Anyways, Jesus Christ. Firstly, appreciate all of the concern and not. the [ __ ] It gave me the courage to. approach her and tell her that while I. may have overreacted by threatening our. marriage, I think it is a creepy thing. to do. She apologized and said she would.

get rid of the board. I thought we were. good. Literally 2 days later, 2 days. later, [ __ ] hits the fan. Our happily. married nextdoor neighbor finds a. woman's bra under the bed that does not. belong to her. It doesn't take long for. the whole neighborhood to find out. Well, my wife is giddy, like jumping up. and down for joy. She shows me the board, which she still. didn't trash like she promised. And of.

course, the husband was marked with. yarn, meaning he was likely to cheat. She told me the board was accurate after. all, and maybe she should keep her hobby. around. I was definitely suspicious, so. I looked at the board again later. It. looked different from the last time I. saw it before the latest scandal. Instead of the yarn connecting to. another neighbor, the cheating husband's. yarn connected to a postit with a. question mark. Firstly, it was the only.

question mark there, and I swore it. wasn't there the last time I saw the. board. So, either she changed it after. the cheating to prove a point or. slightly before it happened, which made. me even more suspicious either way. Now, I felt like I was the detective and I. was going crazy. I went over to the. cheating husband's to ask a few. questions. The wife was staying at her. parents, so it was just the two of us. I. asked him if he actually did it, and he.

said no, he would never. Then I asked if. my wife had been over recently. He said. one day while you were at work, his wife. asked her to water a plant they had. while they were both away and told her. where the key was. So, yes, she had been. over. >> Is she planting all of this? >> I immediately raised an eyebrow. I asked. if he still had the bra, and he was. getting nervous and told me not to get. the wrong idea. I said, "Don't worry, he.

still had the bra." And I looked at it. It's his wife's. It was my wife's bra, but one I knew she almost never wore. because it was from a lingerie set I. bought her one Christmas, and she said. it was uncomfortable. I told my neighbor. I needed to talk to my wife and ran out, but I told him not to worry. I. approached her with the bra and asked. her what was going on. She played. stupid, but I told her to cut the BS. I.

asked if she had either cheated on me. with him or planted it there. Either. way, she was in trouble. She confessed. to planting the bra and said it was to. make me admit that her hobby was valid. or something. Oh my god, she was. dedicated. I flipped out on her. I said. this was worse than her cheating on me. because instead of ruining just our. marriage, she ruined our neighbors and. ours. I demanded she call the wife and. admit to everything, even sending.

pictures of the board. I even showed the. Reddit post which actually helped. convince her that my wife had planted it. rather than cheating with her husband. Well, they made up. But now I have no. idea what to do. I'm barely speaking to. my wife and it is only a matter of time. before the entire neighborhood figures. this out. I seriously need advice. >> Yeah, he does. >> You got to move. If he sent pictures of.

that board to the wife. >> Oh no. >> That reven like that spread around. >> I would post it on the neighbors app. >> I would print it and put it on flyers on. every telephone poll. Like. >> we have we have a problem with this. little board making like. >> the revenge is going to come. >> What is she doing? >> Hot. >> At first I was supportive of her. And. now I'm very sad for her because I don't. know what she's doing. >> I don't know.

>> It's like why would she why would she. plant that just to prove a point? But. that's going really really really far. It's like girl, I need more information. How much money do these people make each. year? Do they have kids? Do they live in. the suburbs? Is she just a rich board. housewife who wants to shake things up? Or is she like literally just kind of a. little psycho? >> A screw is loose. Uh-huh. And maybe like. when they show you a red flag sometimes.

you're it's a it's a billboard instead. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's a billboard. I don't. know. But do you dump your whole. marriage over that? Top comment on this. one. I honestly refuse to believe this. is real. Your wife is actually nuts. This is insane behavior to have. Next. comment. I was thinking just the. opposite. This one is so original. It's. got to be real. No AI is going to come. up with this insanity that's left to. humans. >> Yeah, it's true. One thing I haven't.

done is look and see if there's any. comments from OP. We have an update. A final update. >> We have a final update on this guy. >> It was posted 4 hours ago. >> Oh [ __ ]. >> 4 hours ago now. Oh god. >> When was it originally posted? >> Originally posted two months ago. >> Oh wow. So things really played out. quickly. >> I'm scared. Final update. I hope it's.

been months since the last update. Sorry. I've been busy. Long story short, my. wife is in a mental health facility. >> Mental illness is in the room. >> You called. >> After what happened previously, I did. not speak to my wife for a while. I. tried to stay working or out of the. house as often as I could. Well, a few. weeks passed and time made it seem like. less and less of a big deal. Finally, my. wife offered to take me out to a very. nice restaurant and make things up to. me. She told me everything was behind. her. And while I was avoiding her, she.

had actually started online therapy to. get help and realized now that what she. did was wrong. I really believed her and. we had a great night. One thing led to. another and yeah, lol. It took about 2. days after that for her to get a. pregnancy test and she texted me the. positive result. Yeah, I know some of. you already think I'm a [ __ ] [ __ ]. but it had been a rough year and this. made me really happy. I started getting. very excited. We started talking about.

turning my home office to a baby room, looking up ways to prepare, book. appointments, planning a shower, etc. A. really fun but whirlwind week. Unfortunately, she told me the first. ultrasound was at a time I had to be at. work and she would have to go alone. Really bummed me out and I asked her to. reschedule, but she said it was the only. availability. Well, that next week she. went and I was waiting for an update, a. picture, anything, nothing. She came.

home and was super quiet and I flipped. out and got super worried that the worst. has happened. I told her I understood. she was probably in a lot of pain and. something, but she told me she had to. tell me something. She finally admitted no, she wasn't. dealing with losing the baby, but she. was actually pregnant for longer than. she thought. Longer than the last time. we did it. >> Uh-oh. >> She actually got pregnant during the. time I was avoiding her.

What. >> do we think the neighbor? >> Are we going back to the neighbor? >> Ma'am, obviously I was so mad and upset. I. couldn't understand why she would do. this to me. But then I realized all the. signs were there for so long and all the. comments telling me she was probably. cheating were right. But I tried to keep. a clear head for at least a second. because I really love my wife and I.

couldn't believe it. I asked her who it. could have been and she actually said. she didn't know. She said she hadn't. done it with anyone during the time I. was avoiding her. >> Mhm. Math. The math ain't math in. >> She swore it and also didn't know what. this meant. I thought about it and. realized if she was really pregnant for. that long, her tummy should be showing. and it wasn't. I decided to call the. place and asked them to confirm what. they said. My wife told me it would be a. waste of time and she promised she heard.

them clearly. So, I didn't do it that. night, but I couldn't sleep without. hearing it from the doctors for myself. I called the clinic she told me she went. to the next day in the morning and asked. them to confirm the results. They told. me something worse than I expected. She. had no visit. She was never there. I. didn't understand that at all. Before I. talked to my wife again, I did what I. should have done in the first place and. reverse image searched the pregnancy. test image. Yeah, it was on Google from.

a random years old Facebook post. I was. again really mad at my wife and couldn't. believe that she had put me through all. of this. Damn, what is she doing? I'm I. am just Wow. I confronted her about the. picture and that I called the place and. there was no appointment. I told her she. had a pattern of lying and this was. probably the end of our relationship, but she responded in a way I didn't. expect. She burst into tears and had a.

manic episode, but then said that she. really had cheated on me and really was. pregnant and that I had made this up in. my head because I couldn't face what she. did to me. She said she felt like the. devil and started sobbing and literally. screaming at the top of her lungs. She. locked herself in the bathroom and told. me she was going to hurt herself over. what she did to me. I couldn't get the. door open and freaked out. I called the. cops and they broke down the door. She.

wasn't hurt, but she was really out of. it. They took her to get mental health. help and she told them everything there. She even started mixing in stuff about. the board and how she knew everyone. around her was a cheater, so she had. done the same because she was in an evil. place. She promised them she was. pregnant, but she didn't know who the. father was. They tested her while she. was in custody. No pregnancy at all. They told me she was likely suffering. from a form of schizophrenia and acted. genuinely believing that she was what.

she was saying was true and likely. always had to some level, but it seemed. to be getting worse. They said she had a. symptom called self accusation and. needed help. I got her in a facility. last week. She is safe. They are making. a little progress. I do not think that. she thinks she is pregnant anymore. I. have visited a few times, but she is. very withdrawn with me and says she. feels too guilty to look me in the eye. I think there was definitely meddling at. certain parts, like planting evidence,

but now I just feel terrible that I did. not get her the help she needed when all. the real signs were there. I hope her. medication starts to help and she can be. normal again. And yeah, the neighborhood. gossip is having a field day with all of. this. I bet. I bet. >> Anyways, thanks for listening. I hope. this is my last update. Thank you all. for the help. >> That's sad. That's sad because um at. first the surface story, you're like, "She's just being weird." Well, I'm.

thinking she's just being weird. Whatever. Whatever. But then now that. she's been Yeah. She's in the mental. institution, mental hospital. >> for schizophrenia. >> That is. That makes sense. That makes sense. the. chart makes sense. The planting of the. bra, the pregnant, like it kind of. >> kind of makes sense. >> Yeah. >> Um, and I feel really bad for him. That. sucks. It's got to be so hard. They're. both absolutely going through it.

>> Mhm. >> And you know, I didn't jump to cheating. from the jump. Like that first post, I. didn't jump to cheating. >> And even the second, we were kind of. like, well, what is this all for still? And it does make sense like severe. mental illness, but like him being like, "I feel bad. I didn't get her the help. she needed.". >> I don't know if I would have recognized. these as warning signs, like the chart. >> Yeah. He shouldn't feel guilty at all. Poor guy. He was concerned. He was. concerned enough to bring it up to her.

to post it on Reddit. >> So, I don't feel like he should be. guilty. It was just he wasn't sure where. to go with it. >> No. you know, >> and like now having this whole. resolution, which. wow. I do think there could be a makeup. here. They could mend this after a lot. of therapy, medication management. But like, I have more hope now that like. she's got a diagnosis and is getting.

help versus where we left off on update. two of like her just planting this just. to be. evil or do create chaos. >> Totally. I'm glad she's getting help. >> I am too. Which does the top comment. does say the same thing. She was. probably suffering from mental illness. for a while. The recovery will be a long. process. I've been through something. similar as this and finally divorced. years after. I wish you luck and advise. you to get some counseling yourself to.

learn how to deal with this. >> Good luck. >> Yeah, >> it's a lot. It's a lot for both of them. And like I feel so bad for her too to. like be in this facility and she's like. I can't even look you in the eyes. I. feel too guilty. >> Right. The shame. I mean I don't know. cuz like I. uh don't know anyone with schizophrenia. just what I've read. But like does she. know what she did? I feel like based on. the comment that she's not like she. doesn't think she's pregnant anymore. It.

maybe feels like she's starting to like. come back down to reality and kind of. out of that manic episode. >> God, that's scary. It's just scary. One. day you could wake up and then like your. brain is just off. >> It would be so scary because I feel like. if you were going down that mental. health, like down that spiral, it's a. slow burn maybe initially. >> It seems that way based off of what I've. read. >> Yeah. I'd love I know we have a lot of. listeners that um have things like.

bipolar and I know we have some. listeners with schizophrenia. If you. could comment and like provide some. insight about you know what that looked. like for you if you're comfortable of. course or you know what you see. happening for this relationship and if. there's a chance of making amends. I'd. love to to have your takes in the. comments. It'd be really appreciated. >> Definitely. Definitely. and to know um. how to better be supported. >> Yeah. >> Like if your partner has schizophrenia,

well, if you have schizophrenia, like. how would you want your partner to. support you? >> I'd love that. >> Yeah, >> I'd love that. And like how do you wish. you would have been supported during. your initial, you know, psychosis? Like. that would be really helpful for a lot. of people, too, because. >> you know, we do have a lot of people. that. >> are young and dating and who knows if. your partner will be affected by. something like this. So, >> I know it's so scary. >> It's so It's a lot. Just a trigger. warning on this next story, you guys. It. does feature talks and discussions about.

losing a child and child death. Mother-in-law's neglect killed my child. Now, she thinks I'll let her around my. second child. Sorry, this is so long. My. mother-in-law was guilty in the death of. her grandchild, my daughter. She was 2. years old at the time and my husband and. me let my mother-in-law babysit her. while we were busy with jobrelated. things. It was summertime and they were. staying at in mother-in-law's house that. has a pond next to it. My daughter loved. water. Bath time was her favorite time.

of the day. They were playing at the. edge of the pond and then mother-in-law. remembered she had to take clothes out. of the dryer and she left a 2-year-old. alone next to the large body of water. My daughter's childlike curiosity, plus. her love for water, resulted in her. getting into the deep part of the pond. and drowning. All because mother-in-law considered. clothes in the dryer, an important. enough reason to leave a toddler. unsupervised. >> My god. Then she realized what has. happened. She started to panic and call. for help. Her neighbor heard her. They.

got into the pond and called an. ambulance, but it was too late. Imagine. what it's like for a parent to come to. the person you trusted your child with. and they tell you your child is dead. And mother-in-law was begging us not to. involve the police into this. She kept. repeating it was an accident and she. quote doesn't know how it could have. happened. Quote was only gone for a. moment. Quote feels even worse than we. do. Quote calling the police won't bring. her back. >> Okay. Gaslighting.

>> We did call the police, of course, and. she was charged with criminal negligence. and sentenced to 3 years in prison, which in my opinion was too light of a. punishment. Now, recently, mother-in-law. was released from prison, and my husband. was the first person she looked for. contact with. He never once visited. mother-in-law while she was imprisoned, unintentionally, but she did cause the. death of her child by neglecting her. duties as a babysitter. Doesn't matter. that she served her sentence. Neither I. or my husband will ever forgive her for. this. Neither has she asked for.

forgiveness. All she gave us were. excuses and more excuses. In the. courtroom, my husband told her she's not. his mother anymore, that she's dead to. him, and that he never wants to see her. face again. Our marriage was damaged, too. We were depressed. We fought a lot. There were times when we were on the. brink of divorce. We separated for a. while. I left for another country, thinking that this is it for us. However, my husband came to look for me. and we managed to save our family and. continue our life together.

>> Oh my, that's so cute. He went looking for her. If he wanted. to, he would. Okay. If he wanted to, he. would. >> Yeah. He looked for her in a different. country. >> Yeah. >> We're both on the verge of tears. >> God sent me. Like, I've already been. like emotional this whole story. >> I couldn't bring myself to have any more. children for a long time. But. eventually, I got pregnant again. And. last summer, we welcomed our son. He's 9. months old now. Obviously, we weren't. going to tell mother-in-law we're.

parents again, but she saw us walking. with a baby stroller and realized that. once more she has a grandchild. So, she tried to get in contact with my. husband. First, she approached him for. not visiting her. Cried about how hard. it was for her to spend all those years. behind bars, that she shouldn't have. been in prison because she's too old for. that. How could he do this to his own. mother? How could he abandon her? Then. she was like, "But I saw you have a new. baby. I'm so glad I have a grandchild.

again." And then she went on about, "Is. it a boy or a girl? When will she be. able to see them and meet them because. she wants to take care of them so much?". My husband told her immediately that she. doesn't have anything. This is our. child, ours only. Our son doesn't have a. grandmother. >> We'll be telling him this as he grows. up. and he will never ever in a million. years be anywhere around her. We're 100%. on the same page about this. The loss of. our daughter still hurts and we're going.

to do the impossible to protect our son. from her. He doesn't need an. irresponsible grandmother who would. likely endanger his life, just like she. did with his sister. Mother-in-law was shocked to hear this. and began to wail about us being so evil. and cruel towards her. That we're going. to hold that against her forever even. though she paid for it. And we cannot be. so heartless to prevent her from seeing. her grandchild. But what was she. thinking? What was she hoping for? That. we're really going to let her around our.

baby that will ever trust her with. babysitting again? Honestly, I'm not. sure if I can leave my son with any. babysitter. I don't trust babysitters. anymore. >> Because if a grandmother can be careless. enough to let a child die, who knows. what could an unrelated person do? Mhm. >> So, my husband told her firmly that. she'll have no access to the baby and he. doesn't want to talk to her either. So, now that she's out of prison, she should. do something useful with her life and. leave us alone. >> I like that. >> Yeah.

>> Mother-in-law wasn't having it. That. evening, she came to our house asking to. see her grandchild again. We didn't let. her come in, obviously, and. mother-in-law got mad, claiming that as. a grandmother, she has rights to meet. her grandchild. We told her that she. lost all her rights to our children when. she let our daughter drown. If a trust. is broken, it cannot be repaired. And. there are some things that can just not. be forgiven. Mother-in-law told us. she'll go to court and she'll demand. legal permission to meet the baby.

>> Exactly. >> I'm not sure if there is such a thing, but if it's true, I highly doubt she'll. get it considering her criminal record. If we need to go to court and prove. she's not the type of grandmother you. should let around your child, we'll do. it. If she comes back again, we'll call. the police. If we need to leave this. country and go live somewhere else just. to be away from her, we'll do it. >> Nothing's impossible. I'm amazed at the. shamelessness of her. She knows very. well she tore apart our lives 3 years. ago. No parent should bury their child,

but we had to because of her. And now. she comes to us as if she's the best. relative ever, as if nothing happened. I. first just want to point out how. refreshing it is to see like a couple. aligned, >> same page, >> you know, they they're like very much a. united front on this. And I think that's. like amazing because. >> I have read about losing a child, the. >> traumatic effects it can leave and the. detriments it could be to a marriage. because that is such an unforgivable.

pain. And so to see this couple like. even though obviously they had a a a. moment. >> Yeah. >> they are sticking it out. They're very. aligned. They're they're bullish about. this and I I think that's great. But for. the unfortunate part, like there's no. question that this grandmother is unfit. and she's not I mean the fact that she. thinks she can go to court and get any. type of rights is just laughable. >> Come at me, bro. >> With or without without the criminal. charge, let's just say she did have that. criminal charge. She's still you don't. you're not entitled to rights. You can. fight for custody if you can prove that.

the parents are unfit. That's clearly. not the case here. But on top of that, you have a criminal charge for child. endangerment. So, good luck. >> You served a three-year sentence in. prison. >> Yes. For being convicted, not charged of. child endangerment. You were found. guilty. That's on your record. You don't. think they're going to factor that in. when you go in there pleading for. rights? No. >> Parental, whatever, guardianship. >> Like, you're automatically [ __ ]. >> Yes. Have fun. But even without those. charges, you have absolutely no. entitlement to the child. >> No. And from what I've seen on legal.

Reddit, granted not a lawyer, could be. speaking out my ass here. I have no. idea. From what I've seen based on legal. Reddit and other stories kind of similar. to this where grandparents are like. coming out of the woodwork, they're. toxic and like need to be kept away from. the children. It's really really hard to. get grandparent rights. >> and there already needs to be like a. very established connection with that. grandchild for a court to like really. consider it. >> Yeah. How I mean otherwise what on what. grounds are you considering that on?

>> Yeah. So this is I mean this is a. no-brainer for me like absolutely the. [ __ ] not. >> No I would not this is an instance where. I'm like yeah [ __ ] you. You don't get. another chance. You don't get another. chance here. >> She [ __ ] killed their child and. there's no coming back from that. >> Not a chance. And the behavior has been. I don't want to say non remorseful. because it shows like there there is. some remorse but it's very like. >> basically none though. >> Yeah. It's coming from a place of. self-interest because I feel like if you.

were that remorseful. >> Yeah. >> you I'm just thinking about myself like. I first of all I. >> am such a guiltridden person. I was. talking about this recently with. somebody like apparently I have like. guilt written into my DNA at this point. It's like ancestral karma and so I have. like guilt and so. >> so interesting. >> Mhm. ancestral guilt. And so I feel. guilt for like if somebody does. something and it results in a. consequence because of me, I feel an. immense amount of guilt even if it has. nothing to do with me. >> Yeah. >> And so in this situation, if that were.

if I were the grandmother, I mean, the. guilt I would feel would be so. absolutely unmeasurable and unbelievable. that I would like to believe just based. on the way that I think. I'd be like, "Don't ever let me around your. grandchild. I'm so sorry. and I don't. deserve to ever be around your. grandchild ever again. >> Like the family should be, if anything, like you should know that you are a. danger to the children at this point. And. >> where's the self-awareness? >> Yeah, the self-awareness would be like,

I feel so [ __ ] bad. I can never trust. myself again with your child. I'm an. idiot for that. I'll never forgive. myself. I understand why you hate me. I. understand why you never want me around. your child again. If you do, I would. absolutely love to meet the child with. your supervision, of course. But I don't. blame you and I I wouldn't trust myself. around a child ever again. I would have. so much guilt that I wouldn't even want. to watch another child, let alone my. grandchild. >> Yeah. And that's where it shows her. disconnect from reality. >> Exactly. >> Like I think just even right after the.

fact her saying that she feels even. worse than we do. >> Yes. That's exactly what I was getting. at. >> Like they just lost their child and. you're saying you feel worse than them. >> Mhm. >> And calling the police won't bring her. back. Yeah, >> it was it was totally like self-. serving. >> Gaslighting. >> Gaslighting. Like, don't don't call the. police on me. I don't want to go to. jail. It won't bring her back. It's like. self-preservation. >> I would be like, "Here, handcuff me. immediately. I [ __ ] deserve life in. prison.". >> Yeah. There was take me away. >> No. And like there was never an apology.

or what OP said basically like she never. asked for forgiveness. >> And also the the lack of awareness again. to play off of that. Clearly, this couple did not want you to. be a part of their new their son's life, their new 9-month old son. >> Yeah. >> So, when you didn't get that invite in. the mail to come meet him or you didn't. get that heads up and you saw them. walking, you should have taken that as a. very clear like. >> no response is a response. Like, they. didn't reach out to you. So, they. clearly don't want you to be a part of. his life and an ounce of self-awareness. would tell you that.

>> So, what a [ __ ] coincidence. She just. happened to see them. >> That part kind of weirded me out. I'm. like, are they from a small town? Because. >> she was probably trying to find them. >> Yes. I was thinking the same thing. I'm. like, that's kind of a wild coincidence. >> She was probably trying to find them. >> Yeah. >> They need to stick together, stick to. their guns. If they need to move to. another country, do it. >> Because this is the type of Lifetime. movie network where I see this. grandmother becoming unhinged. Next. thing you know, >> trying to kidnap the kid. >> Yeah.

>> Well, especially the fact, too, I'm so. glad I have a grandchild again. >> Mhm. No, you don't. >> You're the sole reason that the first. one is gone. >> Oh my god. Yeah, that sucks. What if she. tries to frame the parents as. neglectful? Like, what if that's her. plan? She's going to go to court because. what you could do is go to court and try. to deem the the parents as unfit. >> and that you should assume guardianship. of that child. But in order to do that, you have to have like a substantive. case. You know what I mean? But like. this person, if they become unhinged, you don't know.

>> She's clearly off her goddamn rocker. >> for sure. Um, the comments are just. amazing. Full of so much support. >> Yeah, Reddit commenters are so good at. putting their thoughts into like short, >> cohesive. >> Yes. >> I mean, granted, when you write, you. have the ability to be a little bit more. composed than when you're just candidly. speaking. >> But the the comments on here are just. gold. >> Yeah, they are. So, they're very very. supportive and just like, you should get. a lawyer ASAP. Send a send a cease and.

desist letter. Um, another one goes kind. of like a POV. Grandma, quote, I'd like. to see my grandson judge. Hell no. >> Yeah, right. That's what. in what world that's this woman is so. disconnected from reality. >> Completely disconnected from reality. >> Like, what's disillusioned? Like, she's. just so. >> She served three years in prison and. it's still. >> for child endangerment. >> Still didn't get knocked into her.

freaking head. What? Your guilt should. feel so heavy. And here, I'm not saying. she shouldn't forgive herself. I think. everyone should. >> Everyone needs to come to peace with. things they've done. >> Yes. But the fact that she feels so. entitled to this grandson. I really want. to take care of my new grandbaby. >> Yes. Is just beyond. >> What [ __ ] world? >> No. >> The person goes, "Exactly how much right. does she think she has? A normal. grandparent has very little leg to stand. on with two non-abusive parents in the. picture. >> Bingo. let alone her.

>> Bingo. Bingo. >> Yeah. A lot of people are like, "Get a. restraining order.". >> True. >> And honestly, I think it uh needs to go. there. >> Yeah. I didn't even think about the. whole restraining order thing. >> Yeah. >> Cuz you have enough for this. >> Get that lady away from you. Okay. So, this first one is titled The. Tinder Stalker. I matched with a man on. Tinder one day. The conversation got. spicy and I gave him my number so we.

could continue chatting. We texted that. night. We never exchanged photos or. nudes or anything like that. Never made. plans to meet up. The conversation died. and I forgot about him. Weeks go by and. I deleted the conversation. Then late. one night, I get a lewd photo of a man I. don't recognize. I think of insulting. them, but decide to just delete it and. not respond. A few weeks later, I get. another one. I have the idea to check my. deleted messages to make sure I don't. know them. Sure enough, I find out that.

it's the Tinder guy. >> It's really weird of them to text me a. month later. Just lewd images after no. contact or anything for over a month. Ew. So, I blocked them. A couple of. weeks later, I got a LWD video on my. Apple Watch. It's the same guy. I'm not. sure how I got the message on my watch. If I already blocked his number, I. blocked him again on my watch. What? a. weirdo, I think. A week later, I leave. my apartment to go on a walk. I see him.

He is right there in front of my. apartment walking towards me. He has the. same outfit as his profile photos and. same tattoos and hat, so I am certain it. is him. I never mentioned where I lived. I'm freaked out, but I'm dressed in. baggy clothes and recently changed up my. hair color, so I keep my head down in. hopes he just doesn't recognize me. I. walk right past him. I was too scared to. look at him to see a reaction if he.

actually recognized me. I was too scared. to look back in his direction to see. where he went. So, I just kept walking. forward. I was severely freaked out, but. nothing else happened after that and I. never saw them again. I never mentioned. where I lived, so my only thought is he. must have used my phone number to look. me up. >> Yep. >> It was the least likely person I would. have expected. just some random person I. messaged for only one day on Tinder. Even the lewd content they sent, I still.

just thought they were a regular perve. I never expected them to somehow show up. at my apartment. They didn't even text a. word to me or attempt to meet up. They. just sent LWDs over 2 months and then. appeared. It's just so random and weird. I think their motive was definitely. something sexually perverted. It gives. me creeps to think about what they. wanted, but I'm glad they left me alone. I never give out my real number to dates. anymore. >> Yeah, I think that is kind of crazy,

just the ability to look someone up. these days. But I laughed because the. fact that they had the same clothes on. as their profile photo. I mean, what's. the chance? Is that just your favorite. outfit? >> Maybe that's the only outfit. I guess. you got to kind of think about that when. you're making something your profile. picture. If it's something you wear a. lot, then you may not want to make your. profile picture cuz who knows? Just in. general, not in this creepy sense. But. yeah, I just picture the get out scene. where the guy is full on sprinting.

because the the car the whoever the. actor is wakes up in the middle of the. night and is kind of outside smoking or. something and then they look up and just. see. >> like sprinting dead straight. Obviously, this wasn't sprinting but walking. But. that's the intensity I feel because all. of a sudden out of nowhere. >> you connect the dots in your head. >> and you're like, "Holy [ __ ] that's the. guy.". >> And they're walking right towards you. It's It would be hard to think that.

that's a coincidence. >> There's no chance. >> Like unless you're from the same. city block in New York, I don't know how. you I don't know. It's just crazy. And. then the fact then to be really smart. and think, "Okay, I'm wearing clothes. that make me unidentifiable and I. recently changed my hair, so I'm just. going to make the call to not react and. just walk forward and walk past.". >> Oh, so smart.

>> Crazy. I wouldn't even have thought of. that. >> No, >> I would have been like. >> immediate panic turn around. >> and then that's when bad [ __ ] happens. I. just like the ability to not look too. >> Oh, the turn around. >> Yeah, that can give it away. I literally. just watched a Tik Tok of a girl today. and she was like, I got to tell you guys. about this and like let me know if I'm. overreacting and she got in an elevator, hit her floor number that she lived on. four, and all of a sudden a guy gets in.

and he doesn't hit a number. and she. could just feel him staring at her, not. looking around, just watching her. And. so she hesitates when the elevator gets. to her floor. And she's like, "I don't. know what to do. Like, he knows where I. live. I already can't go to any other. doors. >> I already hit four. Like, I don't know. what to do. She can't go to any doors. Like, the hallway is weird how it's like. dead ends and like. >> she's trapped and like it was really, really scary." And she goes, "I watched.

him get out on my floor and watch what. room I went into and he didn't come down. the hall, but like I was terrified." And. it's that feeling of like being prey. That is like how people were describing. it in the comments and then they shared. their stories. But like you just know. you get this gut feeling and this sense. and like cross the street if you have to. do whatever you have to be weird. Do. whatever. But that feeling of being.

prey. >> Well, especially when there like it's a. hallway like that. There is no way out. That's how my apartment was in New York. Most. >> if any because some hotels you can get. out and walk the full circle if you were. trying to just kind of, you know, not. just distract or evade. But. >> yeah, mine you'd take a left or right. out of the elevator and that was it. And. you're not going to go into anyone. else's place.

>> You can, >> it's different, you know, when you're. being followed in a car, you know, you. go to the police station or you can just. drive around or you can pull up to your. friend's place. You can, you know, there's more options. >> But in your apartment, >> and he knows what floor she lives on. He. knows what apartment is hers. >> I mean, that's incredibly invasive. Even. back to the story we're on with the. passing on the sidewalk, it's still so. freaky because then you're narrowed down. to a place and you start to think this.

was targeted. What did she say? She was. leaving or was she just outside. >> walking out of uh their apartment. Yeah. >> Yeah. And the part you pointed out about. not looking back. >> because when you start looking back it. gives them a chance to see your face and. like. >> Oh man, >> just a total badass. There's only one. comment in regards to this post. It was. about a year and a half ago. I recently. moved, but right after it happened, one. of the first things I did was install a. security camera. I slept with a knife.

for a couple of weeks and even cut. myself on accident. I had problems. sleeping for weeks. It was affecting my. mental health. I was way over paranoid. But what I learned is don't ever give. your phone number or full name to. somebody unless you fully trust them. Stalkers can use that info to find your. address. >> I met someone else who was stalked via. phone number and a man came to his house. with a knife. I never and like that is. such a great point. I never would have.

like thought like, oh, I'm meeting. someone on Tinder after talking to them. for a week like blah blah blah blah. blah. Like I guess I shouldn't give them. my phone number. Like I've never thought. about that, but it makes sense. It's. like use WhatsApp, use. >> keep just messaging on the app until you. really know them. I guess. >> I mean the issue is you can find all of. that just off someone's name really. >> I think really the moral is you never. feel too safe. >> Mhm. Don't be paranoid to the point.

where it affects your whole life. But. never get too comfortable and too safe. because. most times you're fine, but if you have. your guard up and you do take the. precautions, have a security camera. You. know, they're for what they provide, they're not that expensive. And also, there's other things like door and. window sensors. Um, even some of the. tools you use in hotel rooms that make. the door harder to open orges if the. door moves, the alarm goes off.

>> It gives you. >> it gives you more of a fighting chance. >> to react and do something to prevent. whatever. >> I know. Especially if you live alone, like I think you should automatically. have those things if you live alone. Well, and even just for peace of mind. when you're not home. >> And it not it doesn't always have to. relate to other people, but it can. relate to um a fire or a a flood or just. simply being able to check the cameras.

around and for us look at the horses, make sure the horses are good or make. sure the inside of your house isn't. flooding or something's going on. It. just. >> feels good to know. >> Yeah. And then if something does happen, especially when you're not there, you. can react instead of coming back home to. a potential very dangerous situation. >> Never can be too safe. I I would rather. be paranoid and weird than not safe. enough.

>> Yeah, but don't lock yourself in your. room and never leave cuz you're scared. of the world. I mean, that's. >> honestly that sounds kind of nice, too. >> Well, yeah, but you got to also live. life. So, you got to find the balance, but definitely protect yourself. Absolutely. >> Because this stuff is real and everyone. feels really good until it happens to. them or someone they know and then it's. just like. >> so take steps now. >> Yeah. Top comment. This is actually. terrifying. There are seven different. types of stalkers. Here is the article. that explains them. I'm super wigged up.

by your story because I recently learned. of a woman who was viciously attacked in. her apartment by a man she did not know. who, as it turns out, stalked her for. several years before he broke in and. tried to kill her. Please don't sweep. this one under the rug and protect. yourself. Have a weapon close by where. you sleep. Have cameras around your. home. Be vigilant when out and about, etc. This could be nothing or it could. be a horrible situation waiting to. happen. And that's also the shitty part.

is you just you don't know. >> I've had situations like that before. I've been through them. And when you're. sitting there waiting just wondering. because you feel that that threat is. there. >> Yeah. >> I mean it it really sucks. It's it's. just horrible. >> Alejandra's had a stalker. I mean, stalking is like very, very serious, very dangerous, and it's often times.

overlooked. And I clicked on the link to. look at the different types of stalkers. And it's from fighter law.com. I'm not sure how accurate this. resources, but they do reference that. studies have indicated that up to 16% of. women and 7% of men are likely to be. stocked in their lifetime. That's that's. like almost a quarter. That's an eighth. I don't know what the math is on that, but that's a lot. >> That is a lot. But there's seven. different types as that person.

mentioned. Rejected stalker, resentful, intimacy seekers, incompetent suitors, predatory stalkers, aerero automatic. stalkers, and love obsessional stalkers. Crazy. And they'd give a full breakdown. So, I will put this on there. Apparently. a uh hitman is also a type of stalker. >> Well, yes. I mean that I guess. dangerous. >> I guess that qualifies. >> crazy. >> A hitman.

>> A hitman. >> So it's just wild. This I know this is. sidetracked, but just crazy that you. know you think all these movies and. shows and whatever you watch. Oh, Hitman. Yeah. Great plot point. Adds to. the story. >> No, but they're real. >> Super real. They're real. >> Oh, what do you do? Well, you know, I. get paid to kill people. That's. absolutely insane. >> That's disgusting. >> I just saw I just saw um cuz I'm. starting a true crime thing soon, very.

soon. And um I was just looking at some. cases and there was a woman who actually. killed her hitman. He broke in. Her. husband hired him and she fought him off. and killed him. >> How do you get in touch with a hitman? >> I don't know. I don't want to know. It's. terrifying. Don't look into Hitman. This one was originally posted by. username baby Blue 17 for those of you.

that want to look into it. Um, but it is. quite terrifying. >> Mhm. I'm pregnant and being investigated. by the Department of Child Services. >> Oh man. >> Hello. I'm a 29-year-old, happily. married. My husband and I are college. educated, have respectable, stable jobs, own a home in a nice neighborhood. We're. basically as prepared as anyone can be. to start a family. I'm almost 9 months. pregnant with our first child. The. problem is that 11 years ago, when my.

husband was a freshman in college, he. was arrested for possession of. marijuana. It was a large enough amount. that he was charged with a class D. felony. Our jurisdiction is very harsh. regarding marijuana, but not intent to. deal. He plead guilty and did his time. in probation without a problem, passing. every drug test along the way. He has. not touched marijuana or any other. illegal substance since, and we rarely. even drink and haven't at all in over a. year. I have no criminal record and I've.

never done drugs myself. It was a stupid. mistake he made as a foolish 18-year-old. and he's worked hard to put it behind. him. Someone has apparently contacted. child services in our area and informed. them that we are drug users. This. accusation is being taken very seriously. because of my husband's record. We have. been as cooperative as could be with our. caseworker. We've been interviewed, our. home has been examined, and she found. nothing remotely serious or.

incriminating. We have both taken drug. tests and passed. Our caseworker says. everything looks just fine so far. Unfortunately, she also says that. there's still the possibility that our. child could be taken from us in the. labor and delivery ward and that we. won't be allowed to take her home. I was. devastated and horrified to hear that. When I asked why, she said it was quote. not up to her and we'll have to wait and.

see, which made absolutely no sense to. me. What gives? I feel like there's. something she isn't telling me, but I. have no experience with DCS and I'm not. aware of anything we could have possibly. done wrong. I know they'll have to test. my daughter for drugs once she's born, but she has not been exposed to drugs, nothing more than prenatal vitamins and. Tylenol. And I've already proven that by. passing a drug test. I'm scared and. confused. Do I need a lawyer? I had. anticipated spending our savings on our. new daughter/parental leave, but I will.

use that money for a lawyer if I have. to. Thanks for reading and thanks in. advance for your help. >> There's an update. >> Okay. >> Do you want me to just read the update. first? >> It sounds like you want to. >> say Say your comments while you're. thinking right away. >> I don't I don't have a comment. I think. I have a question. I'm curious as to who. reported that. >> Very fishy. Very fishy. Right. >> Yeah. I mean, my comment is just like.

this is so [ __ ] up and it's just so. sad and shows how like broken the system. can be and how like vulnerable you are. to like a m a misstep with the law. >> Oh my god. Yeah. >> But I guess the the lingering question. is my in my mind that I can't ignore is. like who. anonymously reported that? It's very. fishy, especially since the fact that it. happened when he was 18 and they're now. she's 29. He's probably 29. >> a decade later. >> Yeah. So, I'll read the top comment on.

the post. >> Okay. >> And then maybe we can just do the. update. Yeah. >> And then talk about it cuz that's where. it gets weird. >> Okay. >> I am a former Indiana CPS. investigator/assessor. Something here is not making any sense. at all. Unless the law has changed. greatly in the last few years when I. left the department. As of this moment, you are pregnant. Correct. You don't. have any children. They are. investigating the fetus. Someone.

replies, "Former CPS worker here too. Agree with you. CPS does not investigate. pregnant women with no current children. Something is not right.". >> I literally just got the chills. >> Oh, I got the chills, too. So OP goes, "Yeah, we have no children yet. They are. investigating the fetus. I wasn't aware. that was something they even could do. The report they got must have seemed. quite alarming." I guess it seemed weird. as heck to me, too. And someone goes, "If people who have. worked with CPS are saying something is.

off here, maybe it's an idea to contact. CPS yourself, not through any contact. the worker you have been in contact with. has given you, but by finding their. number on the internet and ringing. directly. ask if the worker actually. works there for starters. And I'm not. sure if they'd tell someone if there was. an open file on themselves, but maybe. you could ask that, too. I've heard a. few stories of people posing as CPS. maliciously. >> I didn't even think of that. >> I.

had no idea by this one. Like, I. was just blown away that this is a. thing. But let me read the update, >> okay? >> And it'll make sense, >> okay? Yeah, this is the [ __ ] that I came for. So, it goes, "Update. I'm pregnant and. being investigated by DCS. Here is the. link to my original post. When I made. it, I was advised to get a lawyer right. away. I was also advised that Indiana's. DCS doesn't investigate pregnant women. who don't already have kids and that the. woman claiming to be a social worker.

might be an impostor. I contacted and. met with a lawyer and explained the. situation to him. He seemed to agree. that something was very fishy. To make a. long story short, the woman quote. handling our case has no affiliation. with the Department of Child Services. >> Oh my god. I am still in complete shock. We went. straight to the police. They're taking. this very seriously. I can't give a lot. of details because it's an ongoing. investigation, but she seems to have.

been a very skilled/wellressearched. liar. I never would have known anything. was a miss without the advice of this. subreddit and the intervention of my. attorney. I feel like a complete idiot, but the instinct to cooperate. unquestionably when faced with an. intimidating authority figure is strong. I haven't had the baby yet. We're. staying at a trusted family member's. home until the baby is born. My OB in. the hospital we'll be delivering at have. already been informed of the situation.

and will be taking the appropriate. security measures. I'm still freaking. out, but we're taking every precaution. for the safety of my child and hopefully. everything will turn out okay. Thanks. again, everybody. Truly. >> Oh my god. Reddit like saved her. >> I was literally just going to say that. without Reddit, this baby would have. been kidnapped. >> Literally kidnapped. I I just have to. say and I know that I like I've had some. criticism about people because I openly. admit I wasn't very familiar with Reddit.

when as we when we started this. Me. personally, I know you're like very. familiar with. >> I live on this [ __ ]. >> Yeah, I was not very familiar with. Reddit. I will fall on my sword. And. um through this podcast and other. mediums, I've become more familiar with. Reddit and like it's so cool and. interesting and helpful and like stories. like this. I'm just like.

it is such a powerful community. >> Blown away. >> It's such a powerful community. like the. fact that the commenter, the top poster. was a former like I think you said uh. Department of Child Services, whatever. his role was. >> for the same state. >> Yeah. Like you don't get access to. people like that. No. >> Just by not like the fact that this. community can bring you to like trusted. experts is insane to me. >> Insane. >> It's so powerful though. And it's so. cool because who knew that people like.

that like it's easy to forget that. people on Reddit can be like. professionals. They can be lawyers. They. can be doctors. They can be federal. employees. They can be teachers, civilians, whoever. >> And you forget that these people have. these this expertise. >> Yeah. Outside of their internet role. >> Yes. That they can give you that can. literally save lives. The Reddit is the. most amazing community. Like if you're. struggling, there's there's a niche for. you. There's a subreddit that you can go. to. >> Oh yeah. But like this one, like this. was either kidnapping and adoption.

scheme. >> where that happens and look at like. again like this is an eerie creepy. episode. There's so many stories and. there's this one lady, I'm forgetting. her name right now, but she ran this. adoption ring and she would steal babies. from hospitals. >> and put them up for adoption, but then. if the kids would age out, she would. literally like murder these kids. Oh my. god. No. >> Yeah. And there were over like I don't. even want to give a number because I'm.

not remembering this like to a tea, but. they found so many bodies of kids she. had murdered. >> [ __ ] no. Hell no. >> And it's just crazy. Like there was. actually a famous celebrity, but there's a famous celebrity that. actually adopted kids from her. >> No. >> She was well like well into the system. Like everyone went to her, but she would. kidnap babies from hospitals. >> Oh my god. And that's what this was. Like this was child trafficking. This. was like an adoption thing. Like no one.

poses as a government official to steal. a baby otherwise for no re I mean unless. you have infertility or. >> you struggle to conceive on your own. I. mean that's a thing. There are people. that kidnap children when they cannot. have their own. >> if they completely lose it though. Like. otherwise like. >> but these people seem like they've kind. of lost it. My initial thought was this. is like a um a disgruntled ex who. doesn't want to see her like. >> exboyfriend or girlfriend or whoever. like have a happy family. Yeah. So I'm.

thinking like oh the anonymous report. was totally like a jealous ex-lover who. is trying to ruin their family. But but then my thought was oh this is. child trafficking. Yeah. Like. >> this is child trafficking. They're. trying to like abduct the child, sell or. do whatever they're going to do with the. child, which is disgusting. Terrifying. >> It just goes to show I mean, if there's. anything to take away from the story, one, Reddit's an amazing community that.

you can always turn to. And two, like don't I think she makes a great. point, like don't just take an authority. figure at face value. >> I was just going to comment on that. >> Yeah. It reminded me in a sense of like. the Stanford prison experiment and. there's another experiment I'm. forgetting the name of where it's like. they had this electro shock equipment. and they took two people introduced them.

before and they go okay like we're doing. this experiment about shocking to see. you know how that can control whatever. I'm butchering what this is I'll post. the links in the description of the. YouTube for it obviously But essentially. it was if you have a credited individual. giving you directions, are you going to. follow them. >> or are you going to realize what you're. doing is wrong and like be your own. judge? M. >> so in this experiment they had this one. person on the side giving shocks to this.

individual and it was like they had to. answer questions and if they answered it. wrong they would get shocked. >> and so the person kept answering the. questions wrong and they were shocking. them but there was like a fake sound on. the other thing where the person would. be like help please don't shock me again. I can't take it anymore. >> and they would turn to the researcher. and be like. >> I don't think I should shock them. anymore. >> and the researcher would be like no no. no it's okay keep going This is. important for the experiment. >> And they were essentially doing this.

How did the Holocaust happen? How did. people follow such terrible directions. >> from granted authoritative figures, >> but how did this just happen? >> But this is a good example. >> When an authoritative figure shows up at. your door, >> Yeah. >> pretends like they know what they're. doing, >> like how did they take a drug test? >> Oh, yeah. How did they go to like a lab. and take a drug test and like. >> Yeah. >> I just I mean it's like it's scammers at. their finest. Like.

>> people have Yeah. People have gotten. really really creative with like scams. and. that's scary and it's just it's a. reminder to like always stay curious. >> I I'm like very very skeptical. >> That's like Crime Junky's motto. >> Yeah. Yeah, it is. It's It's like Yeah. It's stay curious, stay weird. Do they. say say stay curious? I think they say. say something else. Wow. Why did I. stutter so much? It's like um I just. like stuttered every word in that. sentence. They say um I don't think it's.

stay curious. >> Be weird. Be rude. Stay alive. >> Yes. >> Yes. Like always just ask questions. >> Stay curious. >> Stay curious. >> Stay on edge. >> Yeah. Stay alert. >> I think that's right. You just should. always check things. There's something. to be said like you almost should assume. the worst because you're ready to. explore all avenues if it does go south. >> I can be very pessimistic at times, but. I think kind of thinking, okay, well, like if this happens, what's the worst.

case scenario. >> because then I'm prepared and I kind of. evaluate plan A, B, C. And I think. that's like a lot to be said for. situations like this. First dates, if. you're going on a date with someone, please make sure people know where you. are. And there's like a lot on TikTok. going around right now where it's like, yeah, I background check my dates before. I go on them, >> as you should. Yeah, >> I'm sorry. Like, and there's like men. get attacked, you know, just like women. And I get that, but like.

>> women are, I think, more. >> vulnerable. >> to these types of situations like. stalking and murder and, you know, sexual assault. So. >> That's right. >> And you know, if you're a guy listening, install the thing on your phone, too. Everyone is at risk to have something. bad happen. Like no one's immune to [ __ ]. happening. >> That's true. >> So just be as safe as you [ __ ] can. >> Everybody. Exactly. And you just said. that and I grab my phone because so. there's this I'm like that too. I always.

visualize worst case scenario and I. listen to this TED talk and there's. actually a like a phil like a Greek. philosophy behind it and it's called um. I'm probably butchering this but it's. called like premeditasio mealorum. And. what that means is it's visualizing the. worst case scenario in detail that you. fear preventing you from taking action. so that you can take action. So. essentially you visualize the worst case. scenario that would paralyze you. >> so that you can be armed to take action.

>> if god forbid it does happen. >> Exactly. It's actually a philosophy and. it's a form of stoicism. Is my did I say. that right? >> Yeah. >> Did I stoicism? It's like you can look. this up. So premanitio mealorum I don't. know if you could plug that into TED. talk and it talks about this and I'm. like that both you and I it sounds like. we like experience that where you. visualize the worst case scenario. >> always. >> so that you are able to act if it does. happen and I don't really think that's a. bad thing. I think it's a good thing. >> I don't at all. I think there's been a.

lot about toxic positivity. I think when. you're like too positive and you're like. nothing bad's going to happen. It's. fine. It's the same concept. You don't. know how to act if something bad does. happen. >> and you don't know how to prevent things. from happening. And like I'm like. everyone needs like a [ __ ] attack. keychain. Like get [ __ ] wasp spray or. bear spray or mace. Get a tile. Put a. tile hidden in your car. Put a tile like. or not a tile. Like I just got the new.

little air trackers. Like the air tags. are magical. Like. >> share your location. Like I know some. people are like not for it, but. >> you have at least one person in your. life. >> At least somebody that you trust like. your your ice like your in case of an. emergency, you should have at least one. or two people on your location. Like I. have my boyfriend, I have like I have. you I have like my close friends, my if. you live with somebody, that person. should absolutely have your location. Absolutely. >> Cuz if you don't come home, >> they're going to be the first ones to. know that you you didn't come home.

>> They're going to notice. >> and they're going to be like me, Lauren, and Sarah, we track each other all the. time. Like I'm sure Sarah's like. >> Yeah, it's 10 o'clock. Where is she? This. >> [ __ ] needs to be in bed. >> Yeah. So anyway, um No, definitely like. >> take all the precautions. >> I know. I think one thing that's really. really cool about Apple's new Air Tag, too, is I have one on my keyring for my. car keys and I put one in my car in case. my car gets stolen. >> Yeah. Smart. And so my dad's been like. borrowing my car because his was in an.

accident and his phone gave him a. notification and it was like. unidentified Air Tag has been following. you. >> What? >> Yeah. So this is great. Like shut up in. regards to stalkers. If a stalker maybe. I shouldn't share this information in. case a stalker is listening and putting. it on someone's car. Basically, I think. I Yeah, >> but yeah, like if someone is using an. Air Tag to stalk you and my dad hadn't. even used my car that long. It had only. been a day. >> Doesn't that mean that somebody was.

following him who also had an Air Tag? It's. >> his iPhone recognizing that my Air Tags. have been following him all day. So. essentially, it would be like your. stalker coming and putting an Air Tag. secretly under your car. If that Air Tag. isn't linked to your phone and you're. constantly with that Air Tag, it would. be like, "Hey, I see there's an. unidentified Air Tag following you.". >> It's like with you all the time. >> It's with you. >> Yeah. >> And I can I'll put a screenshot in of. what the Air Tag says. >> Yeah. Can you.

>> It's really It's really great. I think. it's um it's absolutely amazing and I. think it's like something that. is such a great feature that Apple. installed because those Air Tags could. be used very deceptively and very like. >> Absolutely. Same with. >> I've seen Tik Toks be like if you don't. trust them put your AirPods. >> now we're like giving out toxic advice. like you put the AirPods like in their. car. >> It's wild man. Apple is doing a seminar. tomorrow, September 14th. By the time.

this episode airs, it will have. happened. >> So maybe Apple's working on these kinks. I don't know. Um. >> I don't know. >> The future of technology though. There's. some detriments. But uh. >> get some Air Tags for your [ __ ] Like I. almost want to just keep one in my. pocket at all times. I'm so [ __ ]. >> I'm really intrigued. If I get that. guard dog, I'm probably going to put an. Air Tag on him. >> Every person put it on your dog. It's. the greatest thing you can do to keep. yourself safe, your animal safe, your. property safe. >> Totally. Yeah. Absolutely going to do. it. So smart.

>> This is coming from our very own two hot. takes subreddit one day old titled My. Husband made a secret Tik Tok account to. post videos of me sleeping. This is dot dot dot really embarrassing. to even type. I, 32 female, found out. that my husband, 34 male, has been. secretly filming me sleeping and posting. it to Tik Tok under some weird account. name. It started because my coworker. showed me a funny Tik Tok of a woman.

snoring and said it looked just like me. My stomach dropped. >> Oh my god, >> it was me. >> Wow. >> In my own bed. I confronted my husband. and he admitted it's his account. He. said he started it as a joke because. quote, "You're so cute when you sleep. and people love it." I checked and the. account has over 50,000 followers. >> My god, >> there are dozens of videos of me.

snoring, tossing, drooling, even one. where my shirt has ridden up and you can. see a part of my bra. He claims it's. harmless and that quote, "People post. their spouses all the time. I feel violated. >> Yeah. >> How do I even begin to process this. >> in court? Literally. >> Yeah. I I'm curious too if she adds anything. else about characteristics of this guy.

because you don't. make a whole account without someone. knowing. even if they're awake, asleep. That's so scary. >> I know. It's like It's so scary him. doing it one time and posting it without. her consent and then showing her the. next morning and being like, "Haha, I. had no idea that this would like anyone. would see it, just thought it was.

funny." That even is a huge red flag. But like at least he's telling her and. at least it's like kind of like, "Oh, I. just thought this was funny and then she. can be like, don't put that there, xyz.". But no, it is it's completely vi. violating. It's it's 100% a violation. Like I you. don't People need to consent to being. recorded in the comfort of their own bed. while they're sleeping and having it. posted. >> regardless if it's your wife or not or.

you think it's cute. Like it's up to. that other person. And even if he did. this without. sharing it, it's creepy. It's not okay. It's really weird. Like I'm like, you. know what I mean? Like even if he just. had it like on his I feel like we've had. a story about this before. >> Well, it's like I think it's one thing. to like Justin sleep talks and I think. it's the cutest thing in the world, especially if like he's really out of. it. I can like kind of get him going and. have conversations with him. So like. >> and you show him.

>> So I'll record it and then I do show. him. I tell him about it, but I also. wouldn't share it anywhere. >> But like but my point is is that like. and his face isn't in it. Like he's just. it's dark and he's just talking. >> Yeah. But like my point is that like. even if like you but you show him, right? Like you tell him about it. Like. you're like so it's like if you were to. have like a whole album of like Justin. sleeping and never mention it to him, you would be such a creep. Like you know. >> that's weird. That's so weird. >> Yeah. We Okay. Actually, now I remember.

we did have a story like that a long. long time ago. But it was actually like. the one exception where she was like, "Okay, this is really really messed up.". But she was like, "I was doing a uh" and. I think she had like came with proof. She was doing a project for school where. it was like monitoring like the sounds. of snoring each night like based off of. like. >> Oh my god. It was a guy. It was a guy. writing in that um he had discovered his. girlfriend was recording him sleeping. and it was for like a college project.

>> Yeah. Exactly. And she and I think she. said that the reason she didn't want to. tell him was like she didn't want him to. uh I don't remember why actually. Maybe. that one was weird too. I think it was. weird too. >> Okay. I'm trying to find it on my th. master stories doc that I have. >> Yeah. But like I I'm like even even that. like is Yeah, even that's creepy and. that's like for an actual reason for a. school project. So yeah, there's really. no getting around this one. It's It's.

pretty bad. Pretty concerning. Definitely breakup worthy. Um, did they. say husband though? >> Husband. >> That's tough. >> Husband. And the way she found out too. to find out. >> from your coworker. >> Yeah. >> Being like, "Oh, this looks like you.". And you're like, >> "That is me. >> in my bed.". I'm like I just I I hate to like jump. too quick to saying like separate when. they're married, but this is definitely. it's very concerning. It is violating.

>> I if I'm playing devil's advocate, I. could say maybe he just didn't realize. the severity and just was thought he was. being goofy. But like even so, then he's. a huge idiot and that's a huge red flag. So, it's just it's not a lot of good. >> red flag how dumb you are. >> Yeah. And I was going to say like there. are accounts that I've even seen where. they post videos of themselves like. doing weird stuff in their sleep. Like I. think there's um. >> a huge Tik Tocker who posts her.

sleepwalking videos and they're really. entertaining, >> right? >> But she's the one posting them. >> Yeah. I mean consent is all the. difference of everything, you know. Yeah. >> So, we don't have any comments from OP. No update. But let's get into the top. comment on this one. >> Yeah, you're gonna want to go through. his phone, laptop, and any online file. storage. This is weirdo behavior. >> Mhm. >> Next comment. If he's doing this with. her sleeping, you have to wonder if he. has some private accounts of other.

things. >> It just makes me worried that with this. story, >> there's more. >> That what if there's more? Like what if. something else is happening? Like. because this is a violation. >> Yeah. So, what else is he doing? >> Yeah. And again, it's reminding me of. like a real life thing where there was a. woman in France recently that took her. husband to court because he was drugging. her and letting other men come to their. house. >> That is terrifying. It was so so bad.

And like that's kind of what everyone in. the comments is getting into. Like. when someone goes, "Wait, you sleep in. your bra?" Aside from it though, it's a. huge trust violation coming from your. supposedly closest person. It would be a. dealbreaker for me. And then next. comment, right, the bra thing aside, lol, who cares? The bigger issue is the. total lack of respect. It's not just a. funny video when someone you trust. secretly records and posts intimate. moments while you're unconscious and for. strangers to watch. That's not cute. It's creepy. Definitely feels like a.

dealbreaker to me, too. >> Yeah. >> And then next comment down. Yep. after. following the Dominique Pelicote case. I. would be very concerned. Look it up if. you don't know. >> I don't know if I want to. I'm sure you. >> also I'm sorry if I butchered her last. name. Pelico Pelott. >> You can discuss that with your other. co-hosts on your other podcast. >> It is. It is kind of a clues type case. That's crazy. Wow. Wow. Wow. Like that.

is such a [ __ ] choice to make. A. really [ __ ] bad one. a commitment to. do. I'm just like, >> what's wrong with people? >> Tons of awards. Um, this guy's a. verified user. It's from a real. username, not a throwaway, and it's. titled My Experience as a Crime Scene. Cleaner. To start out, you need a little. backstory to show how I got into this. situation. When I got out of high school. around 2003, finding a job was.

difficult. So, I took whatever horrible. jobs I could get to get by. When I found. a job cleaning fire and water damage. full-time, I was excited to have steady. income and started saving. But this. quickly turned into a nightmare that I. had to endure for almost 2 years. The. company I worked for put me on my first. job, which was a water damage claim. where the basement flooded with sewage. So, after a few days of work, we. finished and it was on to the next job. My boss then called me into his office. the next morning and told me about a.

special crew that he was setting up and. asked if I would be the crew leader. supervising three other guys that were. just hired. I found this strange as I. had only been working there a total of. around 3 days, but figured my work ethic. was already paying off and I would get a. raise. I only made $10 an hour to start. Not only did I not get the raise, but I. got no training in the new position. other than a work van with cleaning. material and the phone numbers for the. three new guys that were also hired in.

to do water/fire damage cleanup. >> The B Yeah, kind of random. The boss told me what tools were best to. use and what cleaning products to use to. sanitize along with where everything was. located in the van with hazmat suits and. respirators. But he was vag. He just said the situations were always. different and I would get details. instruction detailed instructions with. each job. He called my position CSC crew.

leader. The boss told me that I would. never have to see the deceased as the. coroner would have the remains gone by. the time my crew got there and to use my. logic to determine what needed to be. removed from the homes and what could be. cleaned. The first job I had in my new. position, which the boss told me about. when I got to the office, was cleaning. up the remains of an elderly man or. woman who died in their house and had. been laying in a chair. When we arrived, the coroner had me come inside to show.

me a few things that were considered. hazardous material and needed to be. removed due to the risk of disease. I. guess my boss knew a few people from the. county coroner's office and much of the. work came from their recommendations, >> which doesn't seem like wire and water. and fire damage. >> The No, this is definitely not water and. fire damage anymore. Not only was the. deceased still in the house, but was. fully visible to me and the other guy, and you could smell the rot through the.

mass in the house, >> as the house had no AC, and this was mid. June. The coroner was backed up and waiting on. additional people to show up to load the. body as it was falling apart. And I call. the body it because I honestly couldn't. tell if it was male or female and was. trying not to look too long as it was. disturbing. >> Mhm. >> The other three guys I worked with. handled it well, but two of them got. sick from the smell and had to go. outside to puke. We all waited outside.

after the corner showed us the chair, the fluids that leaked into the carpet. and the basement where the fluids went. through the subfloor and puddled on some. boxes in the basement. >> Fluids. >> Yeah. All the body juices. The coroner's support arrived and took. the deceased out and me and the crew. started working. After about 5 minutes, weird things started to happen. The. first of which was when I began to. disassemble the chair. I had removed the.

back of the chair and was putting it. into a special hazmat bag that I was. given and the base started to rock when. I was about 10 ft away putting the bag. with the back of the chair by the front. door. Nobody else was in the same room. as the other guys were in the basement. dealing with moving boxes. I brushed it. off and took apart the base of the chair. as much as I could. And when I got it. into the bag, I got a chill up my back. and then began feeling sick. I just.

figured it was the shock of what I was. cleaning hitting me and I pushed on. Even though the chill was strange as I. was very hot in full hazmat in June. Next was removing the carpet and. assessing the floor to see if it would. be able to be cleaned or if I had to. remove a section of the floor. So, I. called the boss to ask him and he told. me just pour the special cleaner on the. area to soak into the floorboards and it. would be fine. So, I got it out of the.

truck where he said it was and brought. it inside. When I got inside, all three. of the guys in the basement were. scrambling to get out of the basement, tripping over each other, and all three. ran outside. When I asked them what was up, all three. said there was someone in the cluttered. basement, and they assumed it was a. homeless person or junkie. Detroit has. many issues with these kinds of things. I listened at one of the open windows to. the basement. It's kind of the first. thing we did when we started working.

Open any windows possible, prop the. doors open, so maybe someone got inside. then, or possibly before we got there, and was hiding. After listening a few minutes and. hearing nothing, me and another one of. the workers went inside armed with a mag. light and a piece of metal fence post. and searched the basement. Nothing was. down there, but the footprints of the. shoe covers we used, but when we started. up the stairs, we heard a horrible. hacking cough from somewhere in the.

basement. When we looked for it, there. was nothing. But the corner of the. basement had a bunch of dust stirred up. like someone was moving things very. recently. that weirded us both out. We. called the guys back in and they got. back to the boxes, but all of them kept. feeling like they were being touched. while throwing away material from the. boxes that got fluids on them. I went. back to my upstairs job, but found that. the cleaner I put next to the. floorboards was gone, and I started. getting frustrated as it was the only.

jug I had of this cleaner. and I clearly. remember it being sat next to the area. before the guys ran up the stairs and my. attention was redirected. I began to take out trash, figuring I. would find it eventually or the basement. guys took it for the floor and I found. it on its side behind the bag that had. the back of the chair. This is. impossible. There were like six other. bags in front of this one near the front. door and this was a gallon bottle of. cleaner. Again, I got a chill. But this.

one was brought on by what sounded like. a whisper that I could not make out the. words to. I cleaned the floor and moved. out trash. Job complete. That night, each member of my crew had a dream about. an older man telling us that we are not. welcome in his home, touching his. belongings and we need to leave. In my. dream, I was alone in his house. The old. man cried and told me I was destroying. his things and he couldn't replace.

anything. He was trying to push me out. of his house, but it was like I was. ignoring him even when he would push me. and scream at me. No reaction from me. He then threw my cleaner into the. garbage pile I had made by the front. door, exactly where I had found it. Two of the three guys in the crew told. me their dreams about the old man. pushing them as they went through boxes. of ruined pictures and other old stuff. that needed to be thrown out due to the. risk of disease from his fluids. They also said it was like they had no.

control and were on autopilot. They said. they were so sad but couldn't do. anything. The thing that got me about. the dream of the other two guys was they. both said the man was getting so upset. that he began violently coughing and. that the man kept grabbing their arms. when they would touch boxes or throw. things in the trash. Neither of the guys. were in the house when me and the other. guy heard the coughing from the. basement. The guy that went in the. basement with me said he had a dream, but all he remembered was waking up sad.

like he did something wrong and had a. horrible coughing fit, which might just. be a coincidence, but I connected it in. my mind as relating to the other dreams. We all talked about it and came to the. conclusion that we were all just having. a reaction to the situation and it was. nothing more than our brains coping with. what we had to do. I'm very into. psychology, so I rationalized it best I. could, and we hoped for better. assignments the next day. Next few jobs. were not so bad. Cleaning up blood at a. home invasion, no casualty, but huge.

mess. Then there were a few other bloody. crime scenes with casualties, but. nothing notable happened. About 2 weeks. into the job, we began to learn the. tricks of the trade and were split into. two different groups that I was. responsible to manage as crew leader. So, I would have to go to different. sites if the other two guys had an issue. or didn't know what to do. I thought I. was getting used to the job as well as. the other guys as we had no other. experiences like the first job. But I. was wrong. The next job that there was.

activity was a suicide of a man that was. middle-aged. The coroner had already. removed the body, but it was a mess. The. guy had shot himself with what I think. was a large caliber handgun or shotgun. as the spray was everywhere in the. basement in like a second living room. There were skull fragments lodged in. drywall, brain matter all over. And. again, he was not found for a bit, so. the smell was horrible.

First step in cleaning this was using. our backpack vacuum cleaner to suck up. all the bio material. The corner told us. when we went in that he and his partner. were extremely uneasy in the house and. it felt strange and we immediately. started getting a claustrophobic. suffocating feeling when we went into. the basement as well. To make matters. worse, the family of the man had come. over and were crying upstairs, but the. vacuum noise helped to cancel that out. While I was cleaning, the power to the.

lights went out and it was completely. pitch black. This was strange because my. vacuum was still powered. This is what. happened to my [ __ ] house. This is. literally what happened to my Oh my god. I just [ __ ] brought this energy upon. myself. Why did I do this? This was strange because my vacuum was. still powered. My crew mate started. screaming at this point. So, I turned. off my vacuum and climbed off my ladder. I thought maybe he touched a wire to the. lights, but when my vacuum unit was.

turned off, he was still screaming and I. could hear things being knocked over. I. started fumbling around for my. flashlight on my tool belt and yelled. for my friend asking what was going on. But all I got back was panicked. screaming. Then I saw in the pitch black. something darker that was moving in my. direction. And I will admit, I freaked. out. I slipped trying to back up, still. looking in my belt for a flashlight, and. found it when my back hit the basement. wall. I turned on the light, aimed at. the blackest shape I've ever seen. And.

when the light turned on, I saw the. shape of a man wearing a flannel shirt, beard, and an expression like he was. about to attack me. Then it was just. gone. My crew mate was behind where the. entity was, sitting on the floor, rocking with his hands on his head. When. I approached, he picked up his. flashlight off the ground and turned it. on, then ran up the stairs and outside. and threw up. I followed behind him, asking if he was. okay and why he was screaming. I thought.

I just imagined the entity and the man. because his screaming scared me, but he. told me that he was scrubbing the wall. and felt something pulling on something. in his tool belt and he thought it was. me. But when he turned around, the. lights went out and he was engulfed by. what he said was like dark smoke and he. immediately could not breathe and was. struggling to move. He managed to pull his flashlight out, but it was knocked out of his hand like. his wrist was grabbed with force and he.

managed to scream. When he screamed, trinkets started falling off of the. entertainment center that was about 3. feet to his side and the black smoke. moved back, but he was close to passing. out from exertion. He also said he lost hearing and didn't. know that any noise came out when he. started screaming and that all the stuff. falling off the shelves was landing on. him and that's why he was covering his. head. He said it felt like a weight was. lifted off him when the dark smoke.

backed up, but he felt sick right away. and the light from my flashlight made. the sick feeling increase. We took an. early lunch where he just sat there pale. as ever and didn't say much other than. he said he breathed in that smoke and. didn't feel right. I got him some. Gatorade and his color started to come. back. I never told him I saw a man when. I turned on my light because we still. needed to finish and I didn't want. >> and I didn't want to put that in his. head since he never mentioned seeing it. When we went back, the lights in the.

basement were on again. Half the things. that fell from the shelves were back on. the entertainment center and the TV was. on baseball. There was also a different. smell in the room, similar to burnt. hair. My worker stayed a half hour, got. sick again, and went home for the day, leaving me alone to finish, which I. didn't want to do, but had to as the. other guys had their own job. >> Oh no. >> Yeah. After cleaning up everything with my. vacuum, I began scrubbing the old blood,

which is hard after it congeals. Mix in. brain matter and it is like glue, even. with cleaner. While I was finishing up, I kept seeing the shape of a person, always in the side of my vision. Each. time I would smell that strange burnt. hair scent, and a few times I also felt. like a force was pulling out items on my. belt, not sure what item, as there were. several things in my belt. When I. finished the job, I went to use the. bathroom upstairs, and in the hallway.

along the way, I heard like muffled. crying or moaning. I froze up and stayed. still, thinking maybe a family member. had come back. And when I panned around, there was nothing. But I saw a picture. on the wall of a man with a beard. wearing a flannel shirt. Several other. pictures in the hallway of other. scenarios of the same man, different. flannels with deer or fish or family. I. had not seen a picture of that man as I. had not been anywhere else in the house.

with a bathroom. nor did I use the. bathroom downstairs because pulling off. the hazmat suits hazmat suit stuff is a. pain. As I was securing the house, closing the windows, locking doors, and. shutting down every light but the front. porch light, I saw the front curtain. move and again saw the darker than black. form in the front window. The last Oh, I. got the chills. [ __ ]. Like, how do you envision a man with a. beard in a flannel without seeing.

pictures of him? Like, >> I don't know. >> That's like he [ __ ] saw him with his. own two eyes. He didn't see those. pictures before. >> It's crazy. The last experience I will. share in this thread happened mid July. in a very bad area in Detroit. There had. been an incident where a guy supposedly. tried to abduct a child was stopped by. people in the neighborhood who beat the. man very badly and he escaped to his. house where the neighborhood people. quickly called police and civilians. surrounded the man's house to prevent.

escape. The police response time in this. area is horrible and the people were. throwing rocks through the man's window. and damaged his car. The man was hurt. bad by the mob and was hurt by a rock or. glass and died in the home. This is this. is assumption by Detroit Police. Department. From what the police officer. told me, it was a misunderstanding and. the man picked up a girl that was. injured riding her bike and some kids. that knew her told her parents that the. man was kidnapping her and people. overreacted and the man was brutally.

beaten. >> Wow. >> The cleanup was pretty simple to do. We. secured windows, cleaned up blood and. bodily fluids. But as soon as I entered. the house, I just felt wave after wave. of fear and sadness, like I have never. felt this before. And it hit in waves. that made my legs weak. My working buddy. who was there showed up late and didn't. get the story from the cop like I did, but experienced the same feelings I had. The whole time we were there, we saw a.

form darting around corners like it was. watching us, then hiding. It was similar. to like a small bit of fog or mist. We. also heard very slight cries for help. coming from several areas in the house. and also what sounded like, "Please stop. and a long no." A few times the crowd. came back and yelled at the house also. And when this was going on, the activity. in the house increased and we could hear. running footsteps, go up the stairs, a.

door slam, and it sounded like the front. door would open and close. But we never. saw any of the doors move. The path of the footsteps sounded like. from the front door through the living. room to the bathroom to the two stairs. to the upstairs bungalow room. The part. that really got me was I could feel the. floor impacts that felt like the. vibrations of someone running past me. when I was cleaning the areas. And each. time I would be hit by one of those. waves of fear and sadness.

Wow. I have such bad chills right now. When we left the house, there were a few. people on porches hanging out like as. usual during summer, and the people were. still hostile and yelling random things, but directed at us as we loaded the van. and took off hazmat suits. We ignored. this, but before we had loaded all the. material from the house into the vacuum. and locked the house, the front door. slammed hard enough to sound like a. gunshot, which scared me and my crew.

member along with the people on the. front porch to the point where they went. inside. The front door deadbolt was. somehow locked and we could not get it. open. I think it was a different key. than the knob. So, we ended up leaving. several boards in the house that were. left over from boarding a few of the. windows. The feeling of relief when I left the. house was like night and day. Inside, I. was anxious, scared, paranoid, and just. really down, which could be due to.

knowing the story. But when I got. outside, it was like flipping a light. switch. I immediately felt better, and. me and the other guy in my crew were. joking and laughing about dumb stuff and. normal 19 and 20-year-old shenanigans. I have many of these stories written. down in detail in a journal I started. after the first 3 months of working at. this job. I talked to the guys on the. cruise and got other strange stories. from them, too. I know that some of this. could very well be formed by my. subconscious mind to cope with traumatic.

situations, but some of it has no. explanation. And when I hear other. members of my crew tell me their stories. when they haven't been influenced by. mine, that is a horse of a different. color. When I have time, I will pull out. the journal and give more of my. experiences. The job got way worse when. I started the journal after 3 months in. Several experiences with what I thought. was paranormal. Many situations that. stressed my mental state to the point. where my mask of sanity started to slip. In the end, I worked at this place for.

almost 2 years. And of my crew, all. died. Two from suicides, one from drug. overdose. That could have been. intentional, but we will never know. I. just know that when three guys my age. around 19 and 20 started this job, all. were normal, welladjusted guys with no. cares in the world other than girls, parties, and working. I watched each one. of them slowly drain their joys and. passion for life. And I know this sounds. bad, but each one that died was.

considerate enough to die in a clean. way, most likely so another person. wouldn't have to see the horrible thing. that we all saw so often. Wow. >> So, so sad. >> Yeah. >> Oh my god. >> I feel like a lot of that is like truly. unexplainable. Especially the flannel shirt and like. that cloud. >> Yeah. >> What are your thoughts, skeptic?

Hey, I am surprised that this guy stayed in. the job this long. >> because if I experienced anything close. to that, I would not no matter what it. was. >> I cannot imagine. >> But where there's a will, there's a way. So, I just I couldn't have kept doing. it. I don't know. Uh, regardless, if I. had to, I just don't know. I just I.

don't know how to relate. I obviously if. I experienced any of that [ __ ] I would. freak the [ __ ] out. Who wouldn't? >> Yeah. >> Like, I don't know how this guy kept his. cool and kept going. Like, he just kind. of talks about it like, "Oh yeah, I. experienced this and it freaked me out.". And then on the next one, it's like for. me, no next one. But like, if I had to, if I was forced to, >> I don't know. I would probably go. freaking nuts. I would go insane. >> Well, that's what he said, too. He's.

like, I what did he say? My sanity. slipped. Like many situations that. stressed my mental state to the point. where my mask of sanity started to slip, >> right? >> Because it's just Yeah. Like you can. chalk it up like, oh, it's my brain. playing tricks on me. And there's a lot. of situations where, you know, you see. shadows and it's it's the way the. light's moving outside a window through. reflection, you know, whatever. when. your brain can create I mean your brain. is unbelievably powerful. >> Yes. I also think our brain like in his.

mind he's like trying to rationalize. this as a way for his brain to protect. himself. >> Yeah. >> From what is truly paranormal. experiences happening. That's like a. safety mechanism for him. >> Yeah. I mean it's like a horror movie. It's literally the script for a horror. movie. >> It is crazy. I don't know how he handled. it so long. And it's sad. It's sad to. think that someone's spirit. can be just so.

not I don't want to say aggravated, but. just like in so much turmoil that it. latches on to a place like that. And. like the old man that died in his chair. and was just like so upset that people. were like moving his stuff and his. things and that's all he had and he he. can't replace it. Like that was 100% his. energy clinging to them and. like trying to send them a message in. those dreams,

>> right? >> And the fact that the cleaning product. moved over by all those garbage bags. that no one moved it and it was like it. sounded like it was like buried beneath. bags that it like wasn't it wouldn't. have been possible to just like roll. over there or something. >> Mhm. >> That's wild. H so sad. >> Cuz did you tell your Palm Springs. story? >> I did. >> Cuz have you ever actually physically. seen something or was that the closest.

where it's just like I heard and like. >> No, I saw the lights flickering like. underneath the door. >> I know. But have you seen the shadow? Have you seen the like right in front of. you? >> No, not like this. Not like I've never. seen like a mist or like a cloud of. smoke. >> That [ __ ]. >> that would freak me the [ __ ] out. >> Mhm. >> I don't know. I don't know. I'd start. questioning everything in like. everything, but I just have never.

experienced anything close to that. >> Yeah. >> And I haven't seen the flickering lights. or anything. Like I I just there was one. time um when I was a kid, this is the. closest I can get. Um where my parents. would always take the dog for a walk and. I would stay home and just kind of. chill. >> Mhm. >> And I remember being in the living room. and just watching TV or doing something. and all of a sudden I heard these. stomping steps like it sounded like they.

were coming up from my basement. just. pounding really hard, heavy steps. >> Oh gosh. >> And I I was about like I was in the. process of standing up and I was. calculating in my head what I do and I. was thinking side door, front door. Like. I was think it was just I don't know. autopilot. >> You were like trying to hide thinking it. was someone breaking in. >> I thought someone was in the house and. they were stomping up the basement. stairs to come up and I was on that next. level. >> Okay. And so I was ready to bolt out the.

front door and all of a sudden the door. from the garage opens and it was my. parents coming in from the garage into. the house cuz we had like steps in the. garage up inside. >> Okay. >> And. like that I just remember that feeling. and that feeling of that crazy amount of. fear is what I'd have in this situation. Um, but I guess like the last house I was in. with that whole situation is, you know, where I'd expect maybe I would have.

experienced something like that. But if. we had never been told that, we would. have had actually have we would have had. no clue. You would never have known. >> Yeah. >> Unless if he hadn't told us and we. didn't find the articles. It just like. >> No. And I think when we found out even I. tried to think I was like oh has like. anything weird happened and there really. there wasn't anything. >> Yeah. Like I'm just trying I'm trying to. find some way to connect and relate but.

I just haven't had that. But if I. >> knock on wood, >> I'm. all I know though is if I did experience. it like this whole story I just. >> they need believe like. this. >> Yeah. I mean I'd lose it. My mind would. would try and rationalize it, of course, in the same way. But oh my god, >> my 22 female fiance, 25 male, wants his.

father to check my himman tomorrow night. before I get married. >> What's a highman? >> So, a highman is a piece within the. vagina around it's typically the it's. the opening. It's at the opening of the. vagina and it's in many people's. outdated concepts. They believe that you. still have a highman if you're a virgin. and if you're pure. However, knowing. what we know now, some women are not.

even born with him. Some people have. partial highmans. >> and we use tampons and other things. So, your highman can be broken from that as. well. >> Okay. So, this is popped a cherry. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Scientifically got it. >> There you go. My fianceé proposed to me about 8 months. ago. We decided on having a relatively. small wedding which is in 2 days. Everything was going great. He seems. absolutely perfect and we are very much. in love. I'm a virgin and so is he. He.

wanted to save it for marriage and I. wasn't fussed so I agreed to saving it. He has told me earlier that in his. family the father checks the virginity. of the bride the night before the. wedding. I laughed this off as it. seriously sounded like a massive joke. Nope. Turns out he was dead serious. He. wants me the night before to open my. legs up in a small ceremony type thing. so his dad can check me while him, his. brothers, and uncle can watch so that. they know I am still pure.

>> What? >> This sounds like something. >> There's no females. No females involved. either. It's just all the males. Yeah. >> No. >> Yeah. I told him fat chance I'm going to. do that and he was begging me to go. through with it and how important it is. for him. He said he knew it was slightly. embarrassing for me but his mom did it. and it will prove how much I love him. and that I have nothing to hide anyways.

as I am still a virgin. I left and he. was crying. It was very dramatic to be. honest. I want to call off the whole. wedding because of this and never talk. to him again. But at the same time, it's. only one thing and other than that, we. are genuinely perfect for each other and. I don't want to spend my life with. anyone else and it is very important to. him and his family. What the [ __ ] do I. do? I'm currently at my friend's house. and I might stay here for the night. Tomorrow will be our last day as an. unmarried couple and I'm straight up.

panicking. This is like the night before the. wedding basically. This is like what we. were saying before where it's the one. little like this isn't the little thing. but the one thing and then everything is. perfect. >> Yeah. >> I think it's degrading and I think it's. just completely goes in the face of. saying oh I trust you. >> Yeah. >> That's a complete just. >> that's a good point. I didn't even think. about that. Yeah. It speaks volumes. It's like, hey, show your vagina in the. most like prove it. >> that like especially because she is a.

virgin. Like, hey, show your most sacred. parts to multiple different men to prove. >> your love for me. >> Very violating. >> I I would be like I'd be like, "Here, like, let me fold back your penis skin. for the rest of my female family.". >> Oh, that might be that might be a good. suggestion to be tit for tat. I think. the problematic thing though is not it's. like all of this this is all so. problematic but the fact that he goes. >> it will prove how much you love me.

>> like that emotional manipulation. >> that's a red flag if he's doing that now. it's only going to get worse. >> it's like the most extreme version of. being like hand me your phone let me. look through it. >> yeah except this is her vagina. >> that's what I'm saying it's like the. most extreme version basically going in. with the same violation of trust and. saying I don't trust you prove it. >> if not yeah more so I also like it isn't. just a like hey spread your legs let me.

look like like this is not like an easy. like oh let me just peek okay yep you're. good like this is. >> an invasive procedure. >> can you imagine. >> especially with the entire rest of the. family. >> all the men all the men. >> it's like those weird family rituals you. see in horror films Yeah, >> that's the thing. >> That's exactly when you said Midsummer. or whatever it's called. I haven't even. seen that that. >> show, but like I've seen it. I saw the. preview and it it's all I need to know. Don't watch it.

>> And that's you're dead on. Like it's. [ __ ] creepy and it's not okay. And to. like manipulate someone emotionally. manipulate someone to make them feel. like that's you're like proving your. love is just so far beyond me that like. you said Justin you can be perfect in. every other way but like that one thing. when it's that big. >> Yeah. It's and she kind of says well it. is just one thing and then we're. perfectly fine. That one thing is going. to be a thing forever.

That's not just one thing. And who knows. what other weird traditions they have, but. >> I would just I'd honestly just kind of. be so shocked it wasn't a joke. >> Yeah. >> And just be like, >> "No, I'm out." Like she's saying, "Call. off the wedding." I agree. >> Yeah. Um top comment. Anytime a person. tells you blank will prove how much you. love me, they are manipulating you. True. >> You shouldn't have to prove you love. someone if you're planning to marry. them. Yep. >> Don't let him play mind games like that. >> True. And then someone quotes like a.

bunch of what she said. He said he knew. it was slightly embarrassing for me, but. his mom did it and it will prove how. much I love him. He told in all. sincerity that showing your genitals to. his father's, uncles, and brother in the. same is the same as you showing your. love for him. Who gives a [ __ ] what his. mom did to get married X years ago? He. can go marry his mom if he wants. Someone who is comfortable with this. strange tradition. Yeah. Or he can offer. to show you his taint.

to all well to. >> like your [ __ ] slash like guch area. >> Oh. >> different people use different. >> yeah different things. Um to all your. mom, aunt, sister, etc. It's only as bad. though. >> No. >> No. >> [ __ ] might be a little. >> like the inside of a vagina is so. [ __ ] vulnerable. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> No, >> in all honesty, this sounds borderline. cultish. Yes.

>> Yeah, there is an update. Let me just uh. click click click to it. >> Please, please have called off the. wedding. >> Please don't say she went through with. it. I'm getting my drink ready. >> I don't have anymore. >> Go get some more. >> Okay. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Five minutes later. >> Okay. So, update. First of all, thank. you so much for the replies. I didn't. think this would get so big. I've pretty. much read them all. Special shout out.

goes to the person who says this was a. fake solely on the fact that I write. like a man. I went and talked to him. this morning. I told him that his father. is not going to look at me and he needs. to respect that. He was adamant that it. needs to happen and accused me about. lying about my virginity. I was trying. to be calm and rational, but he was not. having it and just became more and more. angry. I told him if he really loved me, he would stand by me on this and tell. his father no. To which he slapped me.

and said he didn't need to prove. anything. >> Yep. It's revealing more [ __ ] It's reve. it's revealing all. >> Mhm. >> Like what what kind of relationship do. you think you're going to have? >> How old is this man? >> 25. >> Yeah. Well, his brain still isn't fully. developed even at 25. >> So, I ended it and left him. >> Good. >> I'm currently back at my friend's house. being miserable and eating pizza, which. is pretty fun. So, yep. Thanks,

everyone. Dude, [ __ ]. >> There's so many better things for her. >> Good for her. She's going to look back. at this and be thanking the [ __ ]. Reddit gods. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I think she knew though, too. I a part. of me feel. >> I think she would have figured it out on. her own. like she wrote you go to Reddit. kind of when you think like. >> when you know. >> you kind of know. I feel like. >> you kind of know what you need to do but. you just want to hear it from other. people. >> I agree. >> Yeah. But this I mean the emotional. manipulation was red flag number one. >> Mhm. >> And then him being so adamant and like.

>> my mom did it blah blah blah getting. physical. >> and then rolls reverse when she's like. well if you want to prove your love to. me you'll stand by me on this. And he. slaps her. >> He got physical really fast. >> Cherry on the cake. >> Yep. And that's what I thought. I. thought this whole thing was it's. deeper. It it's showing the true. character of probably what the rest of. the relationship will be. >> Oh, absolutely. >> Just the fact of having the the check. >> I don't I don't really care. I mean, I.

respect cultural and I respect um family. traditions, but I do not care for them. when you think it's okay to project them. onto other people and then be. >> horrible to other people if they don't. agree. >> Yeah. >> Because if you respect your family. traditions so much, you should. understand that other people also have. different family traditions. And so it's. just like, can't you sympathize?

>> Yeah. I think there's a. >> Sorry, go ahead. >> No, I think there's a difference between. having family traditions and just simply. being [ __ ] up. >> Mhm. >> To put it bluntly, >> like. >> that's that's not normal. I feel like in. history class, we learned of some weird. traditions that. >> certain cultures had that totally are. very wrong and weird and just not right. So, they're not a thing today, >> but this is just like. >> I don't have any respect for this type. of [ __ ] This is some weird ass.

>> Do you guys want to know one thing that. I saw recently that I've never heard. from anyone else? And I don't know how I. got down this rabbit hole. >> Yeah, let's hear it. >> But so, basically, um it's a tradition. in certain parts in Europe and certain. parts in I think Africa. And I could be. wrong, so don't come at me if I'm wrong, but I know that Europe was one of them. And I think the other one was Africa. Okay. But basically once um girls are. born and young and old enough to like. understand what's going on, they will.

force them to stretch out their inner. labia. because they say that it gives men. something to play with otherwise they. will get bored. There's a lot of female mutilation that. happens around the world. There's a lot. of women that in parts of the world. actually get their clits cut off. Um. there's a there's a lot of female. mutilation and there's a big movement to. end it. Um and rightfully so.

>> Yeah. [ __ ] tradition at that point. It's. just like it's. >> weird like it's be a human be like. humane. But any but anyway to like wrap. that up though I think the thing is is. about like tradition culture all those. things are so great and I respect them. and I understand that there's so many. different you know like the placenta. like I think that that's cool like you. know if that's what you believe in and. that's what makes you happy like find a. way to make that work in your life when.

you are projecting it onto other people. and compromising their safety their. health happiness mental health. >> yes it is not okay you cannot not use. tradition as an excuse. It's not okay. >> And as an expense to others. >> Yeah. >> Yes, definitely. Okay. Solid points were made. I'm glad she did. not stay. >> Yes. I can sleep tonight. >> This next one is coming from true off my. chest. It is titled, I'm worried my. husband's sister might have been trying.

to harm or even kill me. >> Oh my gosh. 3 days ago, my husband and I went to his. parents house to visit for the weekend. His sister is a college student and was. home for the summer as well, so we got. to see her, too. Since they have a. lakefront property and the weather was. very nice, a lot of the time was spent. at the lake this weekend. And some very. dot dot dot weird things happened. For. some background first, I've always kind. of gotten an off vibe from my husband's. younger sister. When we were dating, it.

seemed like she would find any excuse in. the world to avoid me. And when we did. interact, I sensed some hostile. undertones pretty much every single. time. I brushed it off as just me maybe. not clicking with her or. misunderstanding her. Still, when we got. married last year, I included her as one. of my bridesmaids. And low key, she was. a huge pain in the ass for the entire. experience. My other bridesmaids told me. she made snide comments to them that. made them quite uncomfortable. was huffy.

during the bridal shower and wedding. rehearsal, made faces at the. decorations, and pulled weird faces when. she ate the cake, too. I still brushed. it off as maybe it's just her. personality, and left it at that. At the. lake, though, a number of events. occurred that kind of unsettled me. On. the day we arrived, my husband's sister. had invited a number of her own friends. from college over, and the group of us. spent some time together in the water. At one point, we all decided to have a. big chicken fight. And at first, it was.

quite fun and light-hearted. Then a. bunch of people, including my husband, broke away to do their own thing, and. his sister turned to me and said, "Let's. do another round." With her other two. friends left in the lake and asked to. get on my shoulders. I said, "Sure.". knelt down under the water to let her. up. But instead of getting on my. shoulders properly, she got on top of my. head and wouldn't budge at all when I. tried to move her. I couldn't get her. off me or even get my head up to breathe.

for what felt like a very long time. Holy [ __ ] No, that that's ex You're not. making stuff up. You are absolutely. correct in your theories. That's insane. All while my head was being squeezed. between her thighs, and I was seriously. panicking by the time I managed to. dislodge her and bring my head up to the. surface. What's weird about it was that. the other two weren't even paying. attention to any of this or even. participating in the attempted chicken.

fight at all. My husband's sister didn't. say anything to me when I came up to the. surface. Just kind of gave me this weird. snort chuckle and got out of the water. I was noticeably shaken and trying to. catch my breath, but I assumed maybe. this was just some sort of accident, so. I tried to act fine and didn't say. anything. My husband's parents also have. a seed that they let those of us with a. boating license use. >> It's a jet ski. Okay, >> if you've never heard seed do. >> I don't have a boating license, so it.

was mostly just me riding behind my. husband with him at the wheel. My. husband's sister offered me a ride. though, and I didn't want to say no, thinking maybe this was a chance to bond. with her, so I agreed to it. I told her. the seedu still made me quite nervous, though, and to take it slow if she. could. >> Oh, no. >> She definitely did not take it slow and. easy. That stuff's so dangerous. I I. can't believe she did that after. the water thing. >> Not to victim shame at all, but I'm like. I I couldn't after the water thing to.

like, nope. I I'm already afraid of jet. skis. >> I so get it though because you you. convince yourself in the moment like. >> I I was making it up. That wasn't true. Yeah. No, I'm imagining it. >> Exactly. I I understand. But I. >> It's crazy. >> Yeah. >> She took any and every opportunity she. could get to jump the seedu off the. boats that passed us by, was doing sharp. turns at high speeds like crazy, and I. found myself having to cling to her for. dear life throughout the ride. There. were points where we both nearly fell.

off the jet ski with how wildly she was. driving it. Again though, I didn't say. anything about it and acted fine because. I thought maybe she didn't realize how. fast and crazy she was going. Later, my. husband's dad yelled at her for. attempting to splash my husband with the. seed while he was in the water. Their. dad told her it was dangerous to try and. ride that close to people in the water. like that because she could have ran him. over. After about an hour or so, it was. just me in the water with my husband's. sister on the seed, and she drove that.

thing within a couple of feet of me just. to turn it and splash me with the water. Way closer than she ever got to my. husband. I laughed it off, but again was. inwardly freaked out. That brings us to. yesterday at dinner, as everyone in the. family had been made acutely aware of by. my husband, I have a serious dairy. allergy. to the point where ingesting. even a little bit of it can risk causing. anaphilaxis. My husband's sister contributed a big.

pot of tomato rice and told me there was. no dairy in it so I could have some. I. trusted her and helped myself to a. portion of it. But shortly after eating. it, I had to excuse myself because I. started to feel extremely ill and wound. up spending the rest of the night puking. my brains out. I felt super faint and it. took a lot of effort to breathe. Thankfully, I had my EpiPen if things. got bad enough, but still, the whole. experience was just awful. The. explanation I got later was that my.

husband's sister finished the tomato. rice with butter to make it creamier and. then forgot that she put it in there. before serving it to me. >> Oh my god. >> Seems again like it could be an innocent. mistake. >> But given the combination of everything. that happened this weekend, I'm starting. to feel suspicious that it's more than. just that at this point. I don't know if. I'm overreacting or just being a. paranoid mess because this is a huge. accusation, but I can't help but feel. that niggling suspicion that maybe my.

husband's sister genuinely meant to harm. me. >> Yeah, I feel like I'm [ __ ] crazy. >> No, you're not. This person is a. psychopath. >> She's genuinely trying to kill her, literally. And everything she's doing, she can say it was an accident. It's. that like plausible deniability which. gives. >> it gives attempted murder. Like this. genuinely feels. >> criminally.

terrifying. >> It's just bad. bad. >> Do we have any other context of why? Like does she think that the sister just. doesn't like her or does she think that. the sister like wants to bang the. brother? That's what I'm wondering. I'm. like, is someone acting like this. just like that jealous? And she she. thinks like ruining her brother's. relationship is going to get them closer.

like, >> you know what I mean? I'm like, we go we. go from the ask me anything where the. two are having sex like. >> to now this. >> And I don't remember. >> the ages. Okay, no age is mentioned with this. But. the sister is in college, husband's. older and married, >> but unclear of the ages in this. >> So, it's like, is there a history? And. now she's jealous and this is revenge. Like, where is this coming from? Because. either way, it's unfucking hinged. This.

like this sister reminds me of the slug. story. >> Yes. >> Putting slugs in her uh like poisonous. slugs in her smoothie. That's what this. reminds me of. God, cuz it's I don't. know. It's just it's so creepy. Like, and I'm trying to think like if the. sister wasn't actually being that if she. didn't think of it like that, maybe she. thought that it was just playing pranks. on her, >> you know? Maybe she thought that it was. what's it called? The one uh parent.

trap. Maybe she kind of thought that she. was being like a parent trap type of. person the way that um Lindsay Lohen did. in the end of the movie there. I mean, putting a lizard in someone's hair or on. their backpack or whatever, like so. different than trying to drown them. >> And that's how it started. >> That was the first act, >> trying to drown her, holding and pinning. her head underwater. >> But like, what would she say to. everybody else like if that if she did. drown? >> Oh my god, we were we were trying to.

play chicken and I I just couldn't get. on and I don't know. I must have just. been holding her down on accident as I. was trying to get on. So terrifying. The jet ski. Oh my god. I. was just playing. I was just trying to. jump the wakes. I didn't know she would. fall off and drown. Well, yeah. It's. It's This is why jet skiis also terrify. me is that when I was really young, my. mom was on one and someone was whipping. her around really fast and whipped her. off and she broke multiple of her ribs. And thank god she had a life jacket on. because it knocked the wind out of her.

Like she was gasping for air. It's It. was terrifying. They're really the the. speeds that they can go is actually. insane. Like insane. >> Yeah. And when you hit the water at that. speed, it's like hitting concrete. >> It's hitting a brick wall. >> Yeah. Justin has had a really bad jet. ski accident where he was down bobbing. in the water unconscious and other. passerby had to like pull him out of the. water. >> Oh my god. That's why no matter what, when you're on a jet ski, wear your life. jacket. No matter what. >> Always. There. They go so fast. Like the average.

jet ski, I think, can go like up to 74. miles per hour. Yeah. Why don't we wear. helmets on things like that? I was. thinking about this on the lake last. week, seeing everyone on jet skis and. jumping wakes. Like, >> you wear a helmet if you ride a bike. You wear a helmet if you ride a horse or. you should. >> Why don't we wear helmets on jet skis? Cuz it is if you hit the water, like we. need to like really start protecting our. brains. But let's get into the comments. on this one. >> So, top comment, stop being nice to her.

She hates you. Mhm. >> Next time she tries to pull some [ __ ]. turn around and ask her, quote, "What. the [ __ ] is wrong with you?" Your. husband also needs to pull his head out. of his ass and tell his sister to knock. it off. Avoid her and places where she. might be. If you have to be in her. company, just avoid her. Walk away if. she comes up to you. Don't engage. And. for [ __ ] sake, do not go anywhere. alone with her. That reminds me, I. Oh my gosh, my uh my boyfriend's mom's. dog. She's like.

>> more of an Yeah. reactive dog. And she. was just like, "When she comes up to. you, just turn your back to her. Turn. your back to her and she'll she'll not. jump up on you and she'll not want to. like try to be around you." And so every. time she'd come up to like say hi cuz. she is not always reactive. So she does. want to say hi to me. I would turn my. back and then she'd be like, "Oh." And. walk away. >> Pretty justified. >> But that's what I'm like that's what I'm. picturing. It's just like what they're. saying. They're like, "When the sister. comes up to you, turn your back on her. She'll actually go away.

>> I'd literally just turn around. >> I'd run. >> She'll go away. >> I'd run and I'd make it very clear. >> Next comment down. I almost can't. understand how OP didn't say that. My. sister jokingly slammed my ankle with a. shopping cart and that pissed me off so. bad cuz it hurt that I had to walk away. before completely cussing her out in the. middle of the store, but not before a. what the [ __ ] sister. Never mind. Someone literally attempting to drown. me. >> Yeah. >> So OP does respond to that. I wasn't. having the easiest time saying anything.

at all. By the time that I had caught my. breath, my husband's sister was already. out of the lake, and I didn't quite know. if I even had a right to be mad. Accidents happen. I thought maybe she'd. been sitting on me wondering why I. wasn't lifting her up already. I didn't. have the same level of familiarity with. her as I would with an actual sister. If. I had called her out, I would have made. more of an issue, if that makes sense. It all happened so fast. In hindsight, I. recognize now that I absolutely should. have said something to somebody about. it. But yeah, I honestly I think that.

and again, we don't know cuz we're not. in her situation with the dynamics, but. like I feel like I would have panicked. so much. I would have taken my nails and. dug them into her skin and scratched. Like I would be so panicked. Someone. holding you underwater like is. absolutely terrifying even for a few. seconds. I would well and I'm like. trying to remember how she described it. where her thighs were like being. squeezed. Cuz if you think about. chicken, >> for those that don't know the game of. chicken, you essentially are in the.

water, you sit on another person's. shoulders. There's a person across from. you sitting on someone's shoulders and. you almost like tug-of-war wrestle in. the air while you like dump the other. person. >> Yeah. The first person to get knocks. knocked down loses. So you use your. hands and try to like push them over. >> Yeah. So, if she's trying to get on, she. could have like deadlocked her, like. chokeold her with her legs. >> And I'm not like I don't want to say. like OP should have done anything. different. Like that was pure. >> assault. That's assault. Like attempted.

murder. Like that is so so bad. >> But like. >> absolutely. >> I honestly when I'm in bad situations. like with my little with my brother my. brothers brother with my brothers when. we were fighting I would bite the [ __ ]. out of them. I think using your teeth is. so underrated. If you're ever getting. attacked, start [ __ ] biting. Claw the. [ __ ] out of people. Like, use everything. you [ __ ] have, but bite. Like, you. don't realize how strong your jaws are. Like, you have the ability to bite.

>> Don't say it. Don't do it. >> Off your [ __ ] fingers. >> Don't say that. Okay. >> I That's a fun fact that I never wanted. to remember. Thanks for bringing that. back up. >> Yeah. >> Bite. >> Okay. >> Bite. >> But actually, no. They they say I think. this is you might need to fact check me. >> No, they say that um don't do this to. me. I was trying to change the subject. but not really because basically they. say that um the human bite is actually. the most dangerous and I you might need. to fact check me but um all the bacteria.

in our mouth. >> Not only that but because it's like also. if it if they when you bite and you. don't break blood it's actually like you. said. so strong that it can cause. internal bleeding. That is so dangerous. And so, and I. learned that or came across that the. first time because somebody was saying. that she was like a kindergarten teacher. and a kindergarter bit her and she. wasn't going to do anything about it. And then when she went to the doctor and.

cuz it wasn't bleeding, they were. basically like, "If you didn't come in. sooner, we would have like amputate your. arm." So, it is a very common Google. phrase. Human bites are more dangerous. than they appear due to the high number. of bacteria in the mouth. In the mouth. A human bite can lead to serious. infection. They can be more dangerous. than dog bites. Infections occur up to. 25 times more after a human bite. So. yeah, bite the [ __ ] out of people. Bite. them. Bite them. People are messing with.

you. You're getting attacked. Bite. Bite. her. Stop trusting her and laughing her [ __ ]. off. Tell your husband about everything. she has done and stay the [ __ ] away from. her psycho ass. If she does anything. else, start calling her out loudly. >> Yes, literally. >> And someone goes, "Yeah, why are you. laughing everything off here?" You don't. have to go nuclear on her, but it. wouldn't be overreacting to name the. behavior and say, "Hey, why'd you sit on. my head like that?" Or, "Hey, why'd you. tell me there's no dairy in this?" I get.

that we're raised to not make waves, blah blah blah blah blah. But there's a. big gap between laughing it off and. doing nothing versus causing boatloads. of drama. Someone responds and goes, "I. can definitely see her playing. innocent." What do you mean? I was. trying to bond with you and treat you. like family and you give me an attitude. like that. I wasn't trying to hurt you. All I was trying to do was share some. food with you. And you think I was. trying to hurt you? Sniffle. Big. brother. Can you believe it? She's being. so mean to me and accusing of me all day.

long. I'm just trying to be so nice to. her and look how she treats me. OP. responds to that and goes, "To be. honest, this is exactly how I would. expect her to react insincerely or. sincerely. I'm having a talk with my. husband tonight when he gets home.". >> Ooh, I hope there's updates. So, someone. goes, "I hope it goes well and that you. update us that you're okay and that your. husband backs you up. This is a serious. situation." OP says, "I'll update you.

guys after we talk. The more time I've. had to reflect on this whole trip, the. more certain I feel that I'm not being. unreasonable, and this warrants a. serious discussion with him. >> I'm no longer in immediate danger from. her, though, I'd write the original post. after we had just gone home. Someone. does ask if she got an apology about the. rice and butter and what her husband. thought. Yes, I did get an apology from. her about the rice. My husband was. pissed at her about it and went off on. her about being so careless, but he. seems to think it was just a really dumb. accident on her part. I'm going to tell.

him about the other incidents though. Well, wait. We don't have anything. We do. Are we ready for the update? >> Yeah. You were about to really let me down and. then you didn't. Okay, for the update. Attempted to post this on True Off my. chest, but for some reason it keeps. getting taken down. I don't know why. First off, I'd like to extend my most. sincere gratitude to the Redditors who. took the time out of their day to give. me advice. I wasn't expecting so many. people to come to my support and confirm. I wasn't being crazy or overreacting.

Anyways, here's what happened since my. last post. So, I did end up talking to. my husband about his sister's behavior. towards me last weekend. I was planning. on sitting him down and just point blank. raising my concerns about her, but her. name came up organically in. conversations. So, I ended up using it. as a springboard for telling him about. last weekend's incidents. As I went through each sketchy incident. I had with her, my husband believed me. and was angry on my behalf about what. happened. He also supports my wishes to.

keep more of a distance from her going. forward. He told me to let him know if. she ever pulls anything like the. incident in the water/ seedu. Again, the. dairy thing he still believes to be a. genuine accident. Apparently, she was in. tears over how badly she felt about it. Fake. >> whatever. Apparently, my sister-in-law's. behaviors last weekend weren't 100% out. of character for her. After telling my. husband about my incidents with her, he. explained to me that she's had a history. of crossing lines and testing the limits.

of people's boundaries like this, albeit. never this egregiously. >> Until college, she struggled making and. keeping friends due to constantly. crossing peers's boundaries. My husband. even had to come to her aid in grade. school due to her pissing off the wrong. people who were ready to beat her ass. He should have let her. >> Literally, >> he should have let her. He thought she'd. gotten better in recent years, which is. why he was so taken back when I told him.

about the stuff she did last weekend. Apparently, she's been in therapy for a. very long time now to treat some mental. health and behavioral issues. My husband. was slash is pissed at her for what she. did to me, but he genuinely doesn't. think her intentions were to kill or. maim me just to test my limits and haze. me, albeit extremely recklessly. I'm. inclined to agree with him, but my guard. is still up in case anything more than. that happens. His theory is that because.

I'm quite shy, she figured I was less. likely to put my foot down with her and. that's why she did stuff to [ __ ] with me. in particular. It's not anything I did. or said. Yes, I did ask. So, going forward, I'm. going to try to keep brief any. interaction I have with her at future. family events and stuff. I'll still be. polite, of course. Why? But no way am I going to be alone with. her anymore. And my husband says he's on. board with this arrangement and will. intervene if necessary to make sure it.

stays. >> It sucks to realize I'm probably never. going to have a good relationship with. my sister-in-law like I'd hoped. >> You don't need it. >> I've never had siblings before, so I was. excited by the idea of having someone. accept me as a sister and having some. sort of relationship. Oh well. I get. along well with the rest of the family. and have enough kick-ass friends in my. life who are like sisters to me in their. own way. Haha. Good. But you're not satisfied. I don't like that he's giving her a. copout. I like that he didn't push back,

that he was supportive, but I also think. even if he doesn't believe that his sis. his sister's intentions were to kill, because that may that may be true, but. at the same time, her actions could. have. Even if that wasn't her. intentions, they could have. So like. that is it's just as concerning. >> You know what I mean? Like. >> Yeah. And I mean you are right like he. did he did back her very quickly. It.

wasn't like no my sister would never do. that. >> Mhm. >> But he backed her so quickly because she. have she has a history of doing this. >> Yeah. That he probably should have. warned his shy I didn't know she was. shy. He probably should have warned his. shy wife about this. >> Yeah. like you're getting married to. someone and your sister has a history of. pushing people's boundaries. >> I have people like that in my life that. have never ever harassed or bullied or. done stuff like this to people. >> But I would still like tell Justin like,

"Hey, just so you know, >> you know, that family member little bit. of a wild card. If you get a hard time, >> don't take it personally." Like you. still preface certain people. >> typically. I don't know. Maybe everyone. doesn't have a crazy [ __ ] family like. me, but like I feel like that's just. common courtesy to someone you're with, especially someone you're marrying. Married like, "Hey, my sister love her.". But she does try to push boundaries. Don't let her take advantage of you. >> Put your foot down.

>> Because if he would have said that from. the jump, then she would have been then. it never would have maybe gone this far. >> Maybe, right? Cuz sister-in-law has mind. of her own. But at least give her the. warning. >> Yeah. Yeah. And it's it's funny because. actually recently um I was introducing a. friend to another group of people and. one of the things I said I kind of was. like this particular person sometimes. says things a little kind of wild. So.

just don't be surprised if this person. says something a little out there. And. she then afterwards came up to me and. was like, "This person said XYZ to me.". And she's like, "And I would have. actually been mad, but I remembered what. you said." And then I wasn't mad cuz I'm. like, "Ah, this is just this person.". You know, >> just their quirky weird. >> This is just this person. Yeah. So, I do. think it is good to give people a heads. up. I understand not wanting to like. taint a well and kind of like have. preconceived notions when they don't. even maybe they've changed, maybe they.

won't treat them like that. But I do. think it's good to like at least preface. it a little bit, especially if there's. that extreme of a history like this. situation. >> I think you need to I think if you have. anything that you know and like some. people are like, "Well, it's not my. business." They But it's like like. >> in this situation it 100% is. Yeah. >> And you also like obviously the sister. as he said is in mental health therapy. for behavioral and mental health issues.

I'm really happy she's in therapy and. addressing it, but at the same time, like if she has put people's safety in. question in the past, >> I think it's something to know. And. like, >> yeah, >> I think it's crazy. The one thing that. really pissed me off where he was like, "Well, I do think the dairy thing was a. genuine accident.". No. Yeah. >> No, I'm pretty sure everyone knows. butter is dairy. I'm pretty sure you. would remember how you cooked tomato. rice. Well, and if you're going to bring. the dish up and say there's no dairy in.

it, >> she she made very clear. >> Yeah. That's where I'm like, "Nope, I. don't believe that.". >> No. >> No. >> Those cry those crocodile tears fake as. [ __ ] Save them, [ __ ] Fake as [ __ ]. >> Mhm. It's titled Crazy Beauty Queen Stalker. This is a long story as it's been over 5. years in the making. I've actually. posted this story before, but there are. some really good internet sloos here on. Reddit, and they were able to figure out.

ex beauty queen's identity and mine, too. I don't really care if I give up my. identity, but didn't want it to be on my. actual account, so I deleted it a while. back. The catalyst for me to repost it. today on a throwaway is that it's. cathartic. Last week, yet another court. date for ex beauty queen stalker came. and went. We'd been expecting things to. proceed with her entering a plea of. guilty or not guilty, but no such luck. All we got was another vague reason as. to why she's not ready and a new court. date issued months from now.

>> There have been many court dates since. she has been arrested. It's been over 18. months since she's been arrested for her. continued stalking and harassment, and. she still wants to drag things on to. seemingly try and stay relevant in our. lives. To recap, my husband dated a. beauty queen title holder of a. well-known pageant before me. They broke. up long before we met. She was a. statuesque blonde, very tall, a knockout. in her day, in my opinion. This is. somewhat important to the story, I.

guess. But while she was a dazzling. pageant winner on the outside, on the. inside, oh boy, she could be charming. and beautiful if she needed you, but. mostly she treated people around her. terribly, including my husband. And he. eventually broke it off with her. But. she never went away. She would continue. to call and email repeatedly, even after. my husband and I met. If anything, her. calls increased. She would call over and. over again, day and night, even after my. husband, then boyfriend, blocked her. number. She would ask for money and.

threatened to go to the police, claiming. he abused her if she didn't give it if. he didn't give it to her. >> He obviously did not give her money. This made her very upset. The threats. increased and became more malicious. But. when that didn't work, she would switch. tactics and try and sweetly ask him for. help with certain projects she was. trying to get off the ground. At this. point, she now needed to generate an. income with the promise that quote, "If. he did just this one last thing for her, she would go away.". >> Yeah. >> He did not reply. So, she would go back.

to being malicious. Any tactic for. attention or for what she really wanted, money. My husband was terrified because, of course, while he never did anything. to her, it would be her word over his, and he was tired of ruining his. reputation and career. We unfortunately. ended up at an event she also attended. She had been waiting for us to arrive. and had placed herself near the entrance. of the event. As we walked in, she stood. across the room, looking me up and down, laughing and whispering into the ear of. her date, making a point to try and make.

me uncomfortable. But that was okay. She. was easily ignored until she ambushed me. as I came out of the bathroom. She had. clearly been waiting for a moment I was. alone. She towered over me. She is very. tall. I had no intention of having it. out with her. And as I hurriedly walked. to find my husband, she kept pace beside. me, hunched over so she was at my eye. level. I'm 5'5. Her head turned towards. me. She was like a caricature of herself. as she ambled beside me, smiling.

maniacally. Maniacally. I didn't know that was a. word. Where is your man? She hissed in. her heavy accent. Her eyes were black. She looked like a Tim Burton movie. >> Oh my god. hunched over and with that. crazy demonic smile. >> "Watch your back, pug," she added, grinning. She liked to call me names. like pug because I own pugs. And I guess. she thought it was an insult. What I. didn't know then was while I was in the. bathroom, she had walked over to my.

husband and had thrown her arm around. him while he was mid-con conversation. with someone and introduced herself to. the man he was talking to as if she and. my husband were together. My husband. unwrapped himself from her clutches and. told her to beat it. She then belineed. and waited for me to come out of the. bathroom. We stopped going to the. parties. >> Yeah, >> yeah. The last time we ran into her was. at a funeral for a mutual friend. She. followed me around at the wake. As my. husband, boyfriend at the time, was. talking to the man's widow, I was.

talking to a friend and his wife. She. walked right up and stood with us, joining us mid-con conversation as if. she were a part of the group. It was. unnerving, but also just bizarre. It was. a funeral, and I did not want a scene. I. silently picked my wine glass off the. bar and walked away, leaving her with. the couple I'd been speaking to, and her. staring at me with a smirk on her face. All in all, annoying, but manageable. She would call my husband over and over,

day and night, even though he had long. blocked the number. She would drive by. I found my car keyed one night after I. left it outside. >> Oh my god. >> But obviously, I couldn't prove it's. her. But enough was enough. My husband. had a lawyer send a cease and desist. After the first, she called him from a. private number. He answered and she. said, "Hi, it's me.". In a singong voice. Literally the way OP. typed it, I envision it being like that. >> Yeah.

>> In a singong voice like they were best. of friends and he hadn't just sent her a. lawyer's letter ordering her to stay. away from him and his family. He said. nothing and hung up. Another cease and. desist was sent. Then a third. Nothing. would make her go away. She did not. actually think my husband was capable of. not wanting to be with her because you. know her beauty. >> Eventually though, she got pissed that. he was not giving in. So she decided to. take this rage to the internet. I knew. that she was absolutely checking out my. social media, but I don't really use it.

that much, so I didn't care. However, she created a fake Twitter account and. tweeted, "Husband's name is a fraud.". And tagged his colleagues, friends, investors, family members, every single. person she could think of to try and. ruin his reputation and career. On New. Year's Eve, she posted on my Instagram. account at exactly 12:01 a.m., "Happy. New Year's, Scrud. social media settings. all went to private. We went to the. police armed with emails threatening to. give her money or she would go to the. police. She was charged with two counts.

of harassment and her restraining order. was put into place. To our shock, the. next day after her arrest, our phones. were buzzing. The story had made the. front page news. Clearly a slow news. day. >> Yeah. >> Her day in court came right before CO. We arrived at the courthouse and sat. down. She walked in. We were shocked by. her appearance. Actually, shocked is an. understatement. She was unrecognizable. from her former self. Gone was the. statuesque, dazzling blonde. She had. apparently shaved her head and was.

wearing a short, ratty brown wig. She. had gained about 80 lb, give or take, and was now sort of hunched. With her. height and new girth, she looked like a. linebacker. To add to her new look, she wore a bulky. brown men's overcoat and a scarf tied. over her wig like a babushka. My. immediate thought was, quote, "Her. outside now matches her inside." But it. was her eyes that I noticed the most. About a year earlier, we had shown a. photo of her to our kids so that if she. ever approached them, they knew to run.

>> Oh my god. No. >> At the time, my son, who was young, commented that she had mean eyes from. the mouth of babes. Maybe it was that. she had changed so much physically. overall, but her dark eyes had narrowed. into deep black slits. As she scanned. the courtroom and saw us in court, she. would turn around every so often to look. back at us and glare. She would then. whisper in her lawyer's ear and laugh as. if she were having a grand time. She had. a pair of big round cheap sunglasses. that she would put on and take off.

intermittently. When she addressed the. judge, she put them on and he asked her. to remove them. We thought she was. putting on a brave face and treating it. all like a joke, but we are about to. find out that getting arrested wouldn't. slow her down. The restraining order. didn't seem to phase her at all. If. anything, it angered her more. From then. on, every day and night, she would post. from multiple fake social media. accounts, posting photos of myself, of. my husband. She would put my husband's. photos with the caption pedophile or. other terrible names that included.

racist and transphobic comments and. captions. To give you a slight idea, she. posted altered pictures of my husband. photoshopped to look like he was wearing. heavy makeup and referring to him as a. preop transgender. She posted altered. and unflattering photos of myself. She. called me old, ugly, those are the. G-rated ones. Listen, I'm no beauty. queen myself. The name calling, while. obsessive, and gross, wasn't what. bothered me most. Although, I'm not. going to lie. Seeing hundreds of photos. of myself of her fake Twitter account.

calling me ugly and obsessively pointing. out every single perceived flaw did. succeed in getting me down at the times. Why did I keep looking? Because I was. getting a glimpse in her unraveling, unraveled mind, just in case. It was a. clue of what she was capable of or. thinking of doing next. Because it. wasn't her insulting post that phased. me. What bothered me most were the. sinister captions. Keep an eye on your. kids. I'd be watching. Or why don't you. plant some flowers in your front yard? Or be good to your kids because you.

never know what could happen. >> How was your Uber Eats order? She would. post pictures of me. >> She would post pictures of me with an. arrow directed to my head, which I. perceived to be a gun to my head. She. posted pictures of my husband's. workplace, which she was not allowed to. be within two blocks of in accordance to. the restraining order. But the police. said this could just be a picture she. took from the internet. Sigh. >> She posted Agatha Christie quotes like,

"Every killer is usually someone you. know well." Or, "Your end is near." Her. Twitter profile banner picture was taken. from a movie poster and said, "Stalker,". like she was in on the joke. We called. the police again, but they asked, and. there wasn't anything they could do. since she didn't explicitly tag us. I. took screenshots of everything. Many of. her posts were nonsensical, but most. were photos posted of us on this fake. account, all altered with derogatory or. ominous captions. But we couldn't get.

her shut down. I became anxious anytime. my kids were outside shooting hoops in. the driveway. My elderly mother wouldn't. take the baby out in the stroller. She. was too scared. It affected all of our. lives. Life became dramatic. Ex beauty. queen would taunt us with, "Catch me if. you can." She posted close-ups of her. dog's genitals or a piece of her dog's. [ __ ] with my name beside it. The. implication obvious. It bothered me. She. now had a dog since I didn't think.

someone like her was capable of caring. for anything living. >> Right. >> Then the calls started back up this time. to our homeline. Yes, we still have a. homeline. Lol, [ __ ] And then hung up. Karma will get you. >> God. >> And then weird chantlike calls as if she. were reciting a spell. Sure enough, she. posted photos of a pentagram and candles. as some sort of altar and the caption, "Ring, ring." Finally, finally, the. police asked us to come in and give. video statements. We gave them a drive.

containing thousands of screenshots of. post she had made. They arrested her. again and charged her with two more. accounts of criminal harassment. My. husband was angry at this point, but as. Mama Bear, I just wanted to get this. over with. She mentioned the kids. frequently and ominously many times in. her online rants, also calling them rude. names, which I won't repeat here because. these are the things that upset me most. The judge also issued a social media ban. for her. By the time she was rearrested. for the second time, her fake Twitter.

account, which was literally mostly. insights or references to my family, had. 16,000 tweets in a 3month period. She. has no followers. say they were just to. herself. The porn sites I had continuously being. tagged on stopped. Things quieted down. tremendously. But I still get follower. requests that I believe are her. But at. this point, we were all on edge. I kid. you not, I felt weird walking into my. kitchen at night to make a sandwich. Feeling creeped out that she was outside.

watching. I put nothing past her, as. nothing is more dangerous than a. desperate woman who has nothing to lose, which by the way was one of the quotes. she posted. Oh, >> I don't know what is wrong with her. I. believe from what I've researched, she. is a malignant narcissist. Perhaps some. other mental issues at play here, but I. can say she was a terrible person long. before she decided to try and make our. lives miserable. Crazy beauty queen. turned stalker. I would love nothing. more than to never meet again. But if. going to court helps you stay away from.

us forever, then bring it. As an aside, I wanted to mention that we heard from a. reliable source that after my husband. broke up with her, she allegedly became. known to police for other reasons. While. my husband dodged a bullet regarding her. threats to go to police, saying he. abused her, apparently other men have. not been so lucky. Since I can't post. pictures, I'll leave you with one of her. posts, one that may not make much sense, but to us, it was a statement to let us. know she enjoys this drawn out court. process. Many of her posts are in her.

native language, so this was translated. And so it goes, quote, "Violent women. and the crulest never answer questions. They like to continue the. misunderstanding indefinitely. So I seek. to contact people only in order to. torment them. My cruelty is my last. attachment to the world.". >> I don't know. >> What in the [ __ ]. >> Terrify. >> That's it, right? I don't I can't I. can't keep going on this. This.

>> This is like. almost more of a nightmare. This is like. I'm stressed. I'm stressed. I don't. know. I. >> This is terrifying because of the fact. that she's posting pictures of her. outside of her house getting Door Dash. with like an arrow over her head like a. target. >> This is literally just every possible. worstc case scenario. Like every. possible thing she could do, she's doing. just absolutely crazy. >> Can you imagine?

Cuz you would you would be in fear of. everything every single day. You would. not live a normal life. >> I'd be scared to go anywhere alone. I'd. be scared. I'm already scared to go. outside in the dark by myself. But like. I would truly be scared. >> This direct. >> Yeah. It's terrifying. I think this is. something too that's really really. really [ __ ] hard about our modern. times. is the social media stalking and that's. something Alejandra really talked about. because Alejandra went through that like. most of her stalking was online and. there's not a lot they can do about it. like cops kind of refused to step in.

It's like oh well she could have got it. off the internet like she wasn't really. at your husband's work. It's tough too. because when you're not directly the one. receiving the [ __ ] remove like the emot. remove the fact of being scared and. being emotionally attached to this. >> with by law there technically is nothing. going wrong which is what the downfall I. think is. >> but if there wasn't social media this. lady this woman would still like she'd. be leaving notes on the front doorstep.

or some crazy [ __ ]. >> but then there's more hard like hard. evidence like notes on a doorstep. You. can actually like she had to have come. to your doorstep to set a note there. >> Online stalking is so hard to trace and. it's also like well how do we even know. it's her? >> It's kind of like a slough off. Like. it's like well we don't know it's her. She's not really doing anything but yet. this is almost scarier. >> No, she is singlehandedly. like ruining these people's lives. >> Yeah. When you start living in fear.

every single day, you're not living a. good life. >> Like, that's traumatic. >> No, this is Well, stress changes your. DNA. Like, it is proven that stress. changes our DNA and makes us unhealthy. It causes so many health issues. >> I just can't imagine. Like, I'm stressed. just listening to it, >> you know, >> and I'm trying to think about. what it would be like to even be in this. a little bit, and I just can't. I don't. know. I don't know what I do cuz you.

almost can't even move away cuz then. she's going to move away. Like there's. no. >> what's the solution? >> And you want to live your life. You. don't want to move away and be far from. family because she c. >> right. So what do you do? >> What can you do? >> Try to fight it the you know the way. they are. >> So top comment. >> No, >> I know. Top comment. So I'm nosy and. wanted to see who she was. So, I Googled. ex beauty queen stalker and literally. four different women have come up so far. from pageantss. What the hell is wrong. with these people? That must have been.

absolute hell. Hopefully, your family. finds peace and that psycho goes to jail. for what she's done to you and your. family. Stay safe, OP. And OP replies. back and goes, I doubt she'll go to. jail, but we are hoping for some sort of. punishment. She just doesn't seem to. think the law applies to her. Our fear. is that if the restraining order is. lifted one day, she'll go right back to. bothering us. It's taken a lot of time. and effort to get her to stay away from. us, but she's still bothering them. >> constantly. >> You're going to live in fear literally. the rest of your life. Like honestly,

truly, what can you do? >> It's terrifying. Terrifying. >> And what's crazy is too, you hear a lot. of these stories and it doesn't even it. doesn't even come from relationship like. this one. Sometimes people are like, "Oh, I met this person or they were. >> random. You ran you randomly meet. someone in life and then all of a sudden. it's like. >> they're sending you messages, they're. doing this and it's like. >> Yeah. >> Oh, it's just.

>> bad luck. I don't know cuz. >> you're never going to change these. people. You just need you just want to. never meet these people somehow. >> Which is literally why the subreddit is. called Let's Not Me. >> You put it though. >> Oh my god, I'm stressed. >> Okay. Well, this one's not going to help your. anxiety. >> I need some comments. There's no. comments. >> There I mean there are, but. >> there's just like what can you say?

>> Yeah. >> I see as you kept reading it, I was just. like. >> more and more blown away. >> Yeah. I was just I just I don't know. I. don't know. because Yeah. You would be in fear that. some crazy ass shit's gonna go down. >> Yeah. >> Forever. >> It's interesting because I think people. in the comments did figure her out cuz. someone goes, "If it makes you feel any. better, she looks like a Russian. mailordered bride and she does have. dark, creepy, dead eyes.".

>> That's not going to make anyone feel. better. It's like this is a threat that. is present in your life that you can do. nothing about. >> Yeah. >> And they're threatening your kids. They're threatening you. Like, come on. They think uh they think she's the. Canadian beauty queen, which let's let's. Google her just so we can. >> Yes, >> Canadian beauty queen stalker. Those are my search terms if you want to. Google it for yourself. Former Miss. Universe.

I mean, do you think she had this peak. and then like can't handle the fact that. that was then and now there's nothing to. do because. >> um. >> how do you end up? >> This is her Oh, [ __ ] ads. This is her. at the time of her win. Beautiful. Like her I don't think her. eyes look that dead there, but. >> I don't know. She doesn't look like a. Miss Universe to me. Well,

>> she just looks like some average soccer. mom. >> What? She was also an executive. producer. Like, so she was going and. doing stuff with her career. >> But what makes you so crazy? I mean, is. there actually is this truly mental. health? >> Okay, she looked good when she was in. Miss Universe. She's hot. Look at her. Why? How did you like This. is the halo effect. like pretty people. can't be evil, but like I don't know. I.

think I think a lot of it could be ego, but I think this is mental illness. Like. truly, >> this goes beyond just like being mad. about an ex or being so like missing. someone. >> Yeah. No, this is this is mental. illness. Like it to me she just sounds. so unhinged and the fact that her. appearance is slipping now. Like someone. who goes to Miss Universe and is very. diligent about their appearance. Like. her appearance has been her whole life. You don't get to that point unless it is. like within slip. She like beauty. pageantss. >> She went off. That's a mental breakdown.

>> An 80 pound weight gain. Like that's one. of the key signs in mental health like. and mental illness is like your. self-care slips. You don't brush your. hair, you don't brush your teeth, like. all of that stuff. So for this drastic. change, her shaving her head like it is. a true this is mental illness to me. >> Well, it just spiraled out of control. I. mean, maybe. >> the breakup and or her being like, "Really, you don't want me?". >> Just everything. It sounds like. >> And that just spirals into some crazy. [ __ ]. >> Yeah. It sounds like post pageant life. just. >> But there becomes there becomes a point.

where yes, you can be upset and act. emotionally after a breakup or something. similar. >> Yeah. >> There becomes a point where you start. taking. >> steps that you are do you're doing. things on purpose now. You're purposely. trying to push it to this extreme level. You don't just end up doing this crazy. [ __ ] You're making these choices to. physically go after people. >> No, it's but again like it's a mental. illness. Like this is her fixation. She. probably feels slighted. She has like.

this is her point of perseverance. She's proverating on this family, this. person. >> Well, and it's working too to some level. to some degree because they're. definitely not living a normal life. >> No. But it just sucks cuz there's no way. to combat that. >> No, unfortunately. >> Like harassment, harassment, whatever. >> Hopefully they get their date in court. and. it goes well. >> Oh my god. I don't even know what to do. >> Why?

>> Cuz that's just so nuts. >> I know. But like they're safe. They have. a restraining order so far. Like. >> they're not safe though. That That's not. safety. >> I Yeah, I take that back. I would not. feel like I would feel the furthest. thing from. >> Yeah. >> And you think about just like us today, working, watching football, uh going to. the grocery store. Every single move you. make, you'd have to think twice about. Yeah. >> And you' just be wondering, you'd be. checking your socials. Like, no. >> You wouldn't I wouldn't even post on. social media anymore. Like, it would be.

so scary like to be out and like posting. at a restaurant you're at. It's just. like literal hell. That's. >> No. >> And these people don't deserve it. That's just. >> No. That's the thing about stalkers. Like stalkers, while they might not be. hurting you physically, like they're. probably the most mentally. debilitating form of harassment because. your whole life, every single part of it. is scary. Like, what if they're watching. me? What if they're following me? What. if they this was their moment? Like,

you're. >> Yeah. The time my mom kidnapped our newborn is. the title. To preface this, the incident happened. exactly one year ago today. We are no. contact with my parents and will be for. the foreseeable future unless my mom. gets therapy. My doting wife and I are. in therapy, but not so much because of. the issues we have in our marriage, but. because we both have shitty families, and neither of us until meeting our. therapist had strong spines. We are very.

low contact with wife's mother. She's. more BEC than anything, but she also has. some drug issues she's dealing with, namely an addiction to painkillers. >> What is BEC? >> There's a lot of terms on just no. mother-in-law. And here's where my. Reddit expertise goes down. Um, let's Google it. Someone literally. posted on just no mother-in-law and they. go, "What do all the acronyms mean?". question exclamation question.

exclamation just like down a line. because I love like a lot of the. subreddits when they they abbreviate. things like m M I L like mother-in-law. obviously abbreviate it great but just. know mother-in-law is like notorious for. like creating these new [ __ ]. >> it's like the little text things. >> it's so annoying so someone lit the top. comment on this post I've stopped coming. here often because of all the damn. acronyms I hate acronyms mother-in-law. is fine I don't follow the stories that. have a lot of acronyms.

>> So funny. >> It also probably takes more effort to. think through what acronym it would be. rather than just type it. >> So apparently BEC is like throughout. this entire thread. And apparently. it stands for [ __ ] eating crackers. >> I was going to guess that. Um, basically a BEC moment or action is. when the person you're talking about has. gotten so fed up that every little thing. they do is annoying, deservedly or not.

>> Okay. >> So, they're just like, >> they're on your nerve. Got it. Essentially. Okay. Let's go back a year. and a few days. Wife is due any second. with our first child. My mom up to this. point has been a [ __ ] eating crackers, mostly little annoying things. However, she has also been patronizing of wife in. the 6 years we were together, 2 years. married. I've always shut that [ __ ]. down, but I'll admit I should have gone. low contact or no contact before this.

So, the plan was to have both sets of. parents to the hospital after the baby. arrived and wife and I had time to bond. Her parents accepted that. My dad, who. is an enabler, was okay with that, but. my mom was not. She demanded she'd be at. the hospital. We told her no. She had to. wait. Finally, she said okay. After she. saw, we wouldn't put our feet down. So, the baby was born. It's a boy. We hadn't.

found out, so it was a big surprise. Anyway, both sets of parents come. Everything's good. Finally, wife is. tired, so I walk my parents out. Hers. had gone home. My dad went out to get. the car. I waited by the front door with. mom. She turns to me and says that my. dad and her are filing for custody of. our baby. She claims my wife is on drugs like her. mom. A lie. Wife doesn't even drink. And. that she saw how wife was around the.

baby and she fears for his safety. I'm. stunned. My dad pulls up and she gets in. and leaves. I go back upstairs and my. wife sees my face. I really don't want. to tell her, but I'm not going to lie to. her. She's upset as I am, so I text my. mom that she's not to contact us. I then. block her number. My younger sister's. blowing my phone up, and I know it's my. mom. I get along great with my little. sister, as does wife, but she was a.

minor at the time and lived with my. folks. We go home the next day. Wife had. tearing and therefore needs meds. She. refuses pain meds because of family. history, but she says she will take. Advil. So, I go get some things at CVS. Wife and baby are sleeping. Him and his. caught in line getting us dinner when. wife calls hysterical. She woke up and. no baby. >> Oh my god. >> I run home and we are both a mess at. this time. Then my neighbor comes over.

and she says, "What's going on?" She. sees me running like my feet are on. fire. So, I tell her, she tells me, "Wait, so your parents weren't supposed. to take the baby?" Yep. My mom came and. kidnapped my baby. >> Wow. >> I call the sheriff's office. My best. friend is a deputy there. As soon as I. tell him and his partner what happened, they head to get our baby. Turns out my. dad wasn't involved in the actual. kidnapping, although I'm sure he knew. about it. My mom knew at the time where.

we kept a spare key and let herself in. Both her and her FM were arrested. because there wasn't a chance in hell we. weren't pressing charges. The baby was. returned to us and according to my. friend, they had a nursery waiting. >> Holy [ __ ] [ __ ] How did the [ __ ]. What's wrong with the dad? He's an. enabler. But what a psychopath. I don't. care if you're an enabler. Like that's. scary to me because this other woman,

she probably has some like severe mental. health issues. This dad seems like he's. just like going along with the ride. >> It's like just as bad as doing it. >> Yeah, it is. I think enabling in some. cases is just as bad as actually doing. it. >> Well, yeah. I think it's literally if. not even worse cuz like Well, I'm I'm. pretending that the dad is a little bit. more level and the mom is just like. having some serious issues. So, like if. that's the case, then like how can you. in your right [ __ ] mind watch.

somebody kidnap someone else's baby. >> and have a nursery ready? >> A nursery. >> Oh my god. >> That's where the thing the dad obviously. knew the plan, right? It was she's. rearranging a guest bedroom or whatever, an office for a [ __ ] new baby. >> But how is that ever going to work? >> Oh, well actually she could have said. like, "Oh, I just want to make sure the. baby has a comfortable place to like. stay watch.". >> Yeah. And he might have been like, "Oh, my wife's being crazy." But because she. said she what the be was that right. after she gave birth to the baby. >> Yeah. >> That is so crazy. I can't even imagine.

like being like after having birth like. having some psychopath like say this. [ __ ] to me. >> Right. But you have to be nuts to think. that that's actually going to work. You're not going to end up with a kid. >> Right. >> What's the point? >> Unhinged. She's unhinged. And that's the. thing, like you her being like, "Oh, I. saw how she was with the baby. I'm. scared for his safety." She just pushed. that thing out. >> Yeah. What? How can you say that? >> That that little baby is probably. >> going to hold up in court. What do you.

mean? Like all the doctors are around. Like she couldn't even abuse that baby. if she desperately wanted to. >> You know what I mean? Like And also, who. knows how long her goddamn labor was. like she was potentially pushing. exhausted in labor forever. Like she's. probably so tired and just wants to bond. with her child and then sleep and then. to have her mother-in-law come in and be. like, >> "Yeah, well, you can go [ __ ] yourself. I'm going to take your baby.". >> And you're just trying to like re.

recover, >> recuperate. >> You're just trying to take a little. Advil and relax. >> Wait, do we have the ages of everyone? >> No ages in this post. >> Oh my god. >> His username though. It is um Not Today, Satan. I love that. >> it is another horror film exorcism. I don't know, >> Justin. These ones might [ __ ] you up. more than Lauren. >> Oh, no. It doesn't. Like, I'm not afraid. of all that, but I'm just like, [ __ ]. Can you imagine? >> Yeah. It's wild.

>> cuz again on the like you have to now. you will not have these people in your. life. >> No. If my mom tried to do this to me, I. would kick her ass. >> I'm picturing that. It's very. interesting. >> I just can't imagine. I can't imagine any parent in my life. doing that. >> I don't know. >> I mean, what if someone was normal. forever and then it just happened to. >> they snapped? Yeah. Well, like the one. stepmom, they had a good relationship.

until they got pregnant. It's like. so he does go on to say my mom was. sentenced but because of her standing in. the community she was only given a slap. on the wrist. However, the negative. attention she got after that event. spurred her and my dad to move. >> Good. >> Thankfully my sister. >> [ __ ]. >> Thankfully my sister turned 18 before. then and she stayed with us a few months. before going a few states away to. school. For a long time both her and my. dad were radio silent. However, my mom.

has tried to reach out in the last few. months. Thank. >> Thankfully, we've learned from this. We. have cameras, a security system, and no. spare key outside. Our neighbor, who is. now a great friend, has our spare key. We are 3 months along with our second. child. I'm hoping my mom doesn't find. out. Season 2: Neighbor Steals Baby. >> Oh my god. I knew like. >> God, can you imagine? I know you're you. >> no spare key. No spare key.

>> I know that you're just you just had a. kid. You're trying to get, you know, and. that takes up crazy amounts of time and. is very stressful in itself. But if I were this couple, I would also. move. >> That's what I was thinking. I was. surprised they stayed. >> I wouldn't I I don't know. >> I would just be out. >> Yeah. So, this guy neighbor has the key. He did move actually now that you. mentioned that. >> I really trust the neighbors.

>> And he moved to a gated community that. has a security guard and has been made. aware of the mom. So no worry there. >> She's going to jump the bushes. >> Yeah. What's interesting though is the. story I was between on this one. The. title is mother-in-law basically. kidnapped my baby. And it's very very very similar. We had. our daughter about 4 weeks ago. She's. been over at least 3 days every week. since we've had her. She's always. telling me what I'm doing wrong and how.

she'd do things differently. Baby is up. every 2 hours and she insists she'd. sleep through the night if she could. stay at grandma's. >> Oh yeah. >> So what she did is they put the baby. down to sleep. The two of them went to. bed and they woke up, you know, 4 hours. later and they were like, "The baby. hasn't woken up yet. What? Like what is. going on? and the baby hasn't woken up. Did she die from SIDS? Because that's. every, you know, I feel like that's. >> at least it would be my fear, but I feel.

like as a new mom, first time mom, that's a big part of like your fears is. like SIDS. And so they go and check on. the baby and it's gone. >> See, >> turns out turns out the mother-in-law. stole the key, came in, and took the. baby. >> Yeah. Yeah. And these are the people. you're trying to rely on to help you in. these times of very much need. >> where you just need an extra hour of. sleep or you need a little help here. Can you watch the baby just help us out. a little bit and then this [ __ ] happens.

>> Mhm. >> Do you know what makes me mad about. stuff like this is that. and this could go for a lot of different. situations, but this person. was a mother once. >> Yeah. And and I'm just like, don't you. put yourself in the shoes of when you. were a brand new mother, if your. mother-in-law or if your mother did. this, like like because you were a. mother because you know how that feels. How do you think this is okay? I think. they disassociate from their time out as.

a mother and it's almost like. >> there could be I mean there's so many. reasons it could be. >> I think they're better than I feel like. >> I feel like they feel entitled to this. child. I think maybe there's some mental. health things where I want a doover. I. want this to be my baby. I see this as. my baby. I'm this is just me and I'm. right. You're doing it wrong. >> I mean, >> kind of like Justin said, like how maybe. you have all these crazy thoughts, but.

how do you think you're going to get. away with that? >> Right. It's never going to happen. >> Unhinged. Okay, buckle up, y'all. This is another. one that was originally posted to our. two hot takes subreddit. >> Yes. I love these. They feel so much. more personal. >> knowing that it's like one of us out. there. >> Yeah. And that they will really actually. maybe hear what we have to say about it. >> I know. It is. Wow. >> That's one thing, too, when people are. like, "Do you think all the stories you.

read are real?" And I feel like, yeah, most of them, obviously, it's Reddit. We're going to get some that are fake. and spammy and whatever, >> but it doesn't mean that even the fake. ones haven't happened to someone because. >> anything is possible in this world. >> But when I meet someone at a live show. and they're like, "This happened to me. and oh my god, you should talk about it. on this show." I'm like, "Uh-huh." I'm. like, "If that's happening to a real. person I'm meeting," then all these. other ones are very plausible. >> Oh yeah. >> This one very plausible.

Here we go. My old stalker is back and. my husband is making me feel like I'm. the crazy one. Hi. Sorry, this is my. first time writing in and I don't know. what to do, so I'm just going to jump. in. I'm using a throwaway because I'm. sure my actual account is being watched. Also, fake names. So, I, 32 female, and. my husband, 33 male, have been arguing a. lot recently over my old stalker. For. some background, back in college, I was. 24. I dated a guy, let's call him Fred,

for around two months. Fred was. interesting to say the least. To save. time, he had several red flags once we. started dating, so I dumped him. Fred. acted like he couldn't care less, so I. thought that was that. A few months go. by and I'm starting to see Fred. everywhere. I see him at the grocery. store I go to, my go-to nail place, my. favorite restaurants, etc. I thought it. was just a weird coincidence, so I left. it at that. A year after our breakup, he.

starts messaging me, telling me he was. the happiest with me and that he misses. me so much. I called [ __ ] and I. blocked him. Then things escalated. Fred. changed numbers every time I blocked. him, made new social media accounts, and. I started seeing his car everywhere. I. tried getting a restraining order. against Fred, but since he hadn't done. anything to me, they couldn't do. anything. A few months later, I was. walking to my car at night. Fred.

coincidentally saw me walking alone and. offered me a ride home. I said no that I. had my own car and I kept walking. Fred. proceeded to get out of his car and. tried pushing me into his car. I punched. him and ran to my car. Hell yeah. >> I drove away and luckily he didn't. follow. I tried again to get a. restraining order, but it was basically. his word against mine. They gave me a. temporary restraining order, but that's. it. I was terrified of even walking.

outside and deleted all my socials. Thankfully, a very close friend, let's. call him Pete, stepped in to defend me. Pete ended up threatening Fred and I. finally stopped hearing from Fred. I. felt free and slowly got back into my. normal life. Now to present day. I'm now. married to my husband. I've graduated. from college and live alone with my. husband. We moved to a nearby city and. bought a house together. Sadly, a month. ago, Pete died during his sleep, and I.

was absolutely devastated. I've known. Pete since I was in high school, and he. was my closest friend. To be honest, I'm. still not over his death, and sometimes. I can't believe he's gone. But guess who. heard about his death? >> That's right, folks. Fred found out and. is now back. I received texts from Fred. a few days after Pete died. I now see. him everywhere and he's insisting that. we talk. I just walk away and ignore. him. I've reported him, but nothing has.

happened. So, I deleted my socials. again. Friends have been telling me Fred. has been asking around about me. He's. asked if I moved, what I am doing. lately, if I have other social media. accounts, etc. I'm honestly terrified. I've moved since I finished college, but. somehow I see him at my gym, grocery. store, park, etc. It honestly makes me. believe he never stopped watching me, and it's terrifying. Ew. I've told my. husband about everything and he says I'm.

overreacting or just plain ignores my. concerns and changes the subject. I've. argued that he doesn't care and he. argues back, asking, "What do I expect. him to do?" He says that Fred doesn't. know where we live and that we'll just. change gyms. My husband is telling me to. change my regular routine and stop going. to certain places. He says it's no big. deal and Fred is harmless. I'm like, Fred tried to force me into.

his car. How is that harmless? My husband has been distant ever since. this started and I feel alone. I don't. want to tell my friends in fear they. will tell Fred. I can't go to my family. because I'm in no contact with them. And. of course, my husband could not care. less. I need advice. What do I do? Am I. crazy? Should I just change my gym and. my routine like how my husband says? Part of me just wants to move. completely, but another part is.

basically asking myself, why do I have. to uproot my life and change everything. because of him? Can't he just leave me. alone? It's been like 10 years already, and I want to move on from this. Should. I just talk to Fred, hoping he'll. finally leave me alone? >> No. >> That's really tough. >> This is terrifying. >> Also, well, number one, your husband. sucks. >> Absolutely. >> What? At the very like even if you don't. understand like the idea of someone. stalking you, you should still like feel.

her fear and like be supportive of her. and help her out. It's insane. If I told Justin, I have a stalker and I'm scared. The. last thing he would be like is, "Oh, well, change your routine. I guess you. shouldn't get your coffee anymore and. you shouldn't do this and you shouldn't. do that." Like, he's he's fine. They're. fine. >> Also, what do you think is like he's. just going to relearn her routine? He's. learned it now. Why would he not relearn. it? How is that going to help? >> Stalkers adapt. Like, Alejandra has.

talked about having a stalker way in the. past on an episode and like they adapt. They find different ways to get to you. Like when they're that unhinged in the. head, it doesn't matter what you do, they are going to find a way. >> He also clearly knows where they live. Why would he not? >> Oh, he does. He has to. >> All he has to do is watch her come out. of her house and see what her new. routine is. I just don't think that. would be that hard. >> I mean, if he already knows what gym. she's going to, you just follow her home. from the gym. >> Exactly. >> Like, it's so so unhinged.

>> To say he doesn't know where they live. is actually crazy. >> Yeah. And like he definitely knows where. you live. If he's finding you at the. gym, he probably already put a tracker. on your car. I see. I'm not even. thinking that far. You're right. >> Yeah. She's There could be a tracker. anywhere. >> Yeah. You You immediately have to start. like getting those little scanners and. making sure there's no hidden cameras on. your stuff. Like I don't think she's. being paranoid. I don't think she's. overreacting. >> Coincidence?

>> No. >> There's no coincidences with stalkers. No. that he gets threatened and then. once also sorry for your friend your. loss so sorry for that and that you have. to deal with this as well. >> and the fact that then you're going. through this insane tragic loss of your. best friend and you have your stalker. reach out days later. >> that's like almost it like over like. you're already sad about this and then. the fear is just going to be like even. worse. >> completely overwhelming I I mean the.

fight or flight response your nervous. system like I would. I would be crashing out like I it would. be really really difficult for me. >> And the thing is I don't know what the. solution is. >> I mean because the police are no help. until something terrible happens which. sucks. It's like what are they I mean. they've already told her they can't do. anything which is stupid but. >> I know it's really really unfortunate. how bad our system is at dealing with. restraining orders and protecting people. especially women. There was just a.

double homicide in I believe New York. And this woman was a veterinarian. Her ex-boyfriend was a cop and he kept. harassing her, kept stalking her. She. tried to file a restraining order after. restraining order. >> It's going to be even harder because. he's in with them. >> Yeah. And so she didn't get it. She. started dating this new guy who was. either a firefighter or like volunteer. firefighter and the cop ex-boyfriend. came in and killed them both. [ __ ] Like.

believe people like if you're out there. in law enforcement like take the report. Like I would rather be safe than sorry. Like. >> but can they like legally just not take. like what? I don't understand. >> I don't I don't. >> a lawyer. I don't know. >> I don't know. And I I wonder if there's. anyone out there like who's involved on. this side of things whether law. enforcement or lawyers like do you say. like I want you to then document that. you're not filing something? Like can. you ask for that? >> Like does that help? Can you get a a. report that or a statement that you came. in and attempted to file? Like.

>> just by the time like there's enough. like evidence to file, it's kind of. already too late. >> I know. And it shouldn't be like that. Like. >> I mean what what harm does a restraining. order cause? Like if someone's coming in. genuinely out of fear and saying, "Hey, can I have a restraining order?" Or even. like something. >> maybe not as serious like a a temporary. protective order. I'm not sure in the. scale of things which is yeah, you know, ask for the less severe one and. >> just something.

>> to have documentation at the very least, but like. >> but you need the people on the other. side, the law enforcement agencies to. like there needs to be an initiative. there where people are believed and. helped. >> Yeah, it's really frustrating. really frustrating. >> cuz like the only thing that I can think. of is somebody else in her circle. threatening him again. >> and I don't know what the relationship. between Fred and Pete were like. >> clearly Peach's threat was like severe.

like he was scared of Pete. >> I mean he stayed away for about 10 years. >> supposedly. >> that other comment. >> which is also really spooky. >> I know that comment from OP where it's. like I don't think he ever really went. away like that. >> that would actually. >> to have your whole sense in peace just. like shattered. >> because like if he wanted to stalk her. and not be seen, he could do that. He. clearly wants to be seen. >> Yeah. Insane. Top comment on the post. I. would actually consider divorce over. this. The way he is completely.

dismissing your very valid fears would. be a deal breakaker for me. He says Fred. is harmless. Ask him what makes him. believe that. The fact he is telling you. to just change your routine makes my. blood boil. >> If you change your routine, the stalker. feels satisfaction because he is able to. control part of your life by what he is. doing. >> I didn't even think about it like that. either. >> That is terrifying from a psychological. >> He knows he's getting to you. >> Yep. E.

>> And then next comment down. Yeah. Quote, "Husband, if Fred is harmless, as you. say, why should I change my routine? Those two things don't go together.". >> I don't think he cares at all. No, >> I don't think he believes her. >> Someone goes, "I've been around long. enough to be suspicious that maybe Fred. wrote the husband a letter or met him. somewhere and had a brief conversation. and that's why he deemed Fred as. harmless.". >> Cuz a man talks to another man and.

therefore he is harmless. That would we. if I was the husband that would weird me. out. >> I know what what Yeah, a lot of people. are just I rate at the husband. I'd call. husband on his bluff and demand we move. states or even countries. Okay, darling. Your idea is really great. Let's change. our routine by moving away from Fred. >> But realistically, divorce. >> I think just the way he like doesn't. care at all is like divorceworthy. >> Yeah, it's insane. We do have a couple.

comments from OP. People are asking. like, "What does your husband like. actually think?" And OP goes, "My. husband thinks I'm overreacting and says. if anything happens that Fred will end. up in jail." And I hate when he says. that because what does that even mean? >> If anything happens, what if she dies? >> That that is a very real reality when. you have someone this unhinged, >> right? >> And OP goes on to say, "Do I have to end. up in a ditch before I can finally be. left alone?" That's what I'm saying.

What do you mean? I think this man just. has like I don't even know what it would. be called, but you know how men are just. not scared of like being harassed the. way women are. >> Mhm. >> He just has like no cons concept of what. it would be like. >> Yeah. And I think that's like that's. kind of a common thing maybe, but you. should still have empathy for what your. partner is saying. You absolutely. should. And I'm really curious like. because I've asked Justin about this and. I'm like, "Do you ever think about. getting kidnapped?" and his answer is. no. And so maybe that's kind of the same.

thing where it's like. >> a lot of, you know, guys out there can't. really. >> conceptualize the fear from a stalker. because it's not a real fear for them or. >> it's not an everyday thing. It's not a. leave your house and have that thought. thing. >> Yeah. And I know there's always. exceptions to the rule, but like if. you're a guy out there listening, like. >> I don't know, like can you be empathetic. even though it's not a real fear for. you? >> I would assume so. 100%. >> Especially when it's your partner.

>> Your partner says, "I'm scared." And. you're like, "Me. >> You're fine. >> Fred will go to jail if anything. happens.". >> What? You don't understand the law at. all or our justice system at all. That. is a lack of knowledge. >> What has to happen, babe? >> Yeah. What? Something illegal. >> Why do I have to be collateral damage? Because Fred can't get a clue. >> Right. I hate him.

>> Dumb man. >> I know. Uh OP does go on to say in. another comment, "I do have a protection. pack and I carry a bat in my car just in. case.". >> Oo, she ready. I've been changing up my. routine, hoping I won't see him. And. it's worked a bit, but not entirely. >> Yeah, cuz he's still going to figure it. out. It might help. It might work for. like a couple days until he relearns. >> Mhm. So, we do get an update. >> I'm stressed about this update, actually. >> Yeah. So, this update came a day later.

Small update and some information about. my stalker situation. I'm still new to. posting on Reddit, so for the first part. of my post, it should be on my account. My friends don't talk to Fred and they. are aware of the situation. Fred has. reached out to them randomly asking. about me. They have reported and blocked. him as well. Now for the update. Last. night, I decided to have a serious. conversation with my husband one last. time. I sat down with him and explained. the whole situation again. Told him how. scared I've been and that he needs to.

take this seriously. I wanted to show. him how terrified I was. How small I've. been made to feel, not just by Fred, but. also him. How his lack of support and. concern for my own safety is making me. question our marriage. I asked if he'd. even do anything, if I was found in a. ditch. That is sad that you have to say that. >> I Yeah, >> he was silent the whole time while. looking at the floor. We sat in silence. for a few minutes before I got up to.

pack my things. My husband proceeded to. cry. He apologized and said he'd make. this right. >> Good. >> He said he didn't want to overreact in. fear of scaring me more, but when in. reality it made me feel alone. My. husband has been looking into Fred. without my knowledge and has found out. where he works, lives, and even Fred's. family contact info. He wanted to gather. more information about Fred before. contacting a lawyer. Shh. I'm like so shocked by that.

>> I'm confused, >> buddy. You don't have to keep the tough. front up. >> Tell me. Tell me you're on my team. >> Yeah. >> You know what I mean? Like. >> what is he thinking? Like No. No. Great. I'm so glad you're doing this. I'm so. glad you're doing this. But come on, man. Make her feel good. Like, make her. feel safe. >> Make her feelings feel validated. That's. what everyone wants in a partner. Like, at a base level, like just you hear me? >> He can help you look into him, too. You. don't got to go do this by yourself.

>> You're not Batman. Come on. >> But like, thanks for doing that, man. >> We're both taking a few days off of work. to get our ducks in a row. We're getting. a lawyer and gathering evidence of. Fred's harassment. We're also currently. looking for a therapist so we can both. talk about this whole situation and. other issues we have in our marriage. I. also have some voicemails Fred has left. me, and I officially think he's lost it. I have an Apple iPhone and you're able. to see voicemails from blocked numbers. Some of the messages are of him saying.

straight up gibberish while others are. as if he's having a conversation with. me. He says things like, "Oh yeah, babe. I get off of work late so tonight is a. no-go or I'm off so you can come pick it. up right now." No. Yeah. I don't know. I. can't do this anymore. There's a lot of. fashion in my life. It sounds like he's. having a conversation, but it's no one. else, just him, and it's terrifying.

>> Well, he's probably on drugs or. something. >> Or having an act of psychosis. I mean, >> yeah, that's true. >> My husband does feel bad and is trying. his best to console me. He has. apologized repeatedly for making me feel. lonely and has been more supportive and. open. Currently, he's looking through my. car to check if there's anything that. might be giving my location to Fred. I'll keep you all updated if we find. anything or if anything else happens.

Thank you for all the advice and. support. And OP ends it with I've posted. another update. I think you can find it. on my post. >> I was just be like, I just knew the next. update. >> So, the first update was coming from May. 23rd of this year. The second update is. June 6th, so 13 days later, almost two weeks. later. Update number two. Wasn't sure if. I should make an update, but decided to. anyways to maybe get some more advice.

Thank you to everyone who gave me advice. and encouragement. I finished listening. to the book, The Gift of Fear, and it. really opened my eyes to a lot. Now, on. to the update. After my husband didn't. find anything in my car, I still felt. something wrong. So, I took people's. advice and took my car to a mechanic. Told the mechanic about my situation and. if he could take a look at my car. And. to my horror, a couple of days later, my. mechanic found a small little cube that. was placed under my car. At first, I.

really wanted to believe it was just a. part of my car or something, but my. mechanic explained that it wasn't and it. was deliberately hidden. The cube is. really small and magnetic. I called my. lawyer right then and told them. everything. I got pictures of the GPS. and where it was placed. I thanked the. mechanic and drove to my lawyer's. office. At this point, I was shaking and. wanted to cry. How long had the GPS been. there? >> How long has Fred been following me. without me knowing? Was he watching me.

at that moment? Is he going to add. another one? He called my husband to. meet me at the lawyer's office and told. him everything. At the office, I just. wanted to disappear. I wanted to run. away and not look back. I was terrified. and I felt so violated. >> Knowing I was being watched for who. knows how long. With everything we had. gathered, my lawyer was able to get a. temporary restraining that same day. >> Thank God. >> We are currently going through the. process of getting a restraining order. while I will have to go to court and see.

Fred again. That sucks. My lawyer says. the process can be long and draining, but it's something I need to do to get. for my own safety. I got a bit scared. and had my husband's car also checked. for anything. Thankfully, nothing was. found in his car. I started feeling. watched at home, so I had my whole house. turned upside down looking for anything. maybe Fred had placed there. Again, thankfully, nothing was found. I've told. neighbors about what we found and to.

keep an eye out for anyone suspicious. I've also started my safety training for. handling a gun and shooting and still. trying to get my CCW, but it can be a. long process. Thank you again for. everyone who has given me advice and. I'll keep you updated if creepy Fred. tries anything. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> That sucks that she has to do all of. that. But I think I mean you said it. from the beginning. There was probably. something on her car. I mean, >> and I do know I did know that they like. to hide those like where you can't just.

like, >> oh, what's this? >> Well, and the hard part is too like this. wasn't an Air Tag. So, if like if. someone places an Air Tag on your car. and you have an iPhone, your iPhone. notices alert. >> the two following you and will say like. unknown Air Tag, is this yours? It even. does it with AirPod Pros if they're in. the case. >> Oh, yeah. Mine will be like left behind. you left them behind. >> Or like if I have Justin's like in my. bag cuz I borrowed them and I'm driving. all over town like running errands, it.

will be like Apple device following you. >> Is this yours? It'll even prompt me with. the AirPods because people were leaving. one AirPod behind. >> as like a trick. >> So Apple has like seemingly. >> put in measures that help protect people. from their devices getting used. inappropriately. Yeah, but this wasn't an Air Tag. >> No. And it was clearly Why are these a. thing? Like why are these being made? >> It's really crappy. And they're not like.

looking here. They're not even. expensive. Like you can get a tracking. cube like this for $24.95. >> There's no way. What did you search? Tracking cube. >> Small tracking cube. Magnetic. Nice. >> And there's so many. It's literally. There's a product called Cube Tracker. One year battery life. 4G LTE realtime. tracking. $74.99. So, he just goes in every year and. replaces his cube. >> Magnetic car GPS tracker one-year.

battery. Like, there's multiple of these. things on the market. >> And why does somebody need that? >> I mean, I get it if you're going to like. put it on your car as a safety feature. Like, if you have a brand new car and. it's prone to getting. >> That's what the air tags are for. >> But then people can disable the air. tags. So, it's like they do they have. products like this. But that's the hard. part. Like. >> there's so many products on the market. that are meant for good. >> It's meant for good and then the evil. they find the evil. Yeah. Just like AI, but that's a whole other topic.

>> Yeah. I just saw though that companies. are like scaling back their AI because. it hasn't made them any money. It's like. just been a huge loss. >> Good. That's stupid. I haven't I hate. AI. >> I I don't understand it. Like I I think. in certain regards it can be used to. increase your productivity. Like I know. someone that uses it constantly to help. with their schedules or meal plans or. things like that. >> It's also really bad for the. environment. >> And there's that. But then some people.

will argue and say, "Well, if you eat. cow, if you eat red meat, that's way. worse than AI.". >> No, I do. I think AI is the worst. But. yeah, eating meat is also terrible for. the environment. Yeah, factory farming. is a big contributor. >> Listen, I was a vegetarian for 8 years. I tried my best. >> Wow, that is a big commitment. >> It was. >> See, I don't I'm off the cow for the. most part. >> Not I'm off the cow. >> I'm off the cow except like around my. period, all I crave is a cheeseburger.

>> So, I have an occasional burger. >> That's fine, >> dude. Habit Burger, you should sponsor. me cuz those little grilled onions on. those burgers. Ooh. Ooh. They're good. >> I Yeah, I'm really hungry right now. But um yeah, I mean seemingly like. positive update. That's the last update. we have. >> Oh, I expected another one. I'm not. going to lie. >> OP hasn't posted anything in. >> Well, I wonder if she like just. shouldn't be sharing information about. what's going on as well. Is that.

>> And a lawyer might have told her that. because OP hasn't shared any new. information in 3 months. >> She's probably just going through it. Yeah, but I mean restraining order was. granted. Yeah. And then lawyer said. you're going to have to go to court and. it's just a process. >> and that is really hard. Like imagine. being so scared of someone and then you. have to go face them in court. Like. that's horrific. I remember when I um. was working at one of my mental health. facility jobs. I had boiling coffee. thrown on me. >> Yay. And the police showed up. They took.

my report and they were like, "Do you. want to press charges?" And. >> where did they throw it on you? um like. all over my arm and like my my like neck. and chest and I was wearing like a. sweater and like still got like second. degree burns. >> No, that's it's Yeah, I mean it was. boiling water. >> And I remember them just being like. you'll have to go to court and like she. might show up to court but like she's. you know obviously a resident of this. facility like the chances of her showing. up aren't even good. >> Mhm. They're like, "You might not even. want to press charges." And that like.

they really discouraged me not to. >> And I I do understand that cuz it's. like, "Oh, I would have had to deal with. her again. I would have had to face her. again and all this stuff." And I'm like, at the time I was. >> younger, like in grad school, didn't. really know what to do. >> And in my head, I'm like, well, these. police are telling me not to press. charges. And like, yeah, I don't I don't. want to see Janet again. Like, I guess I better not. But in this. regard, like this is someone who has. truly tormented her and I can't even.

imagine how difficult that would be. >> I think just like that sucks that she. has to deal with this. She didn't ask. for any of this. She's just like like. you either get stalked or you have to go. through all of this. >> Yeah. Added salt in the wound or another. layer of trauma that you did not need. and is not your fault but are getting. put. >> but you have to deal with it. Especially. when the husband was not on board at. first because then there's this added. layer of like I mean the original title, my old stalker is back and my husband is.

making me feel like I'm the crazy one. Like your person who's supposed to. believe you, love you, protect you isn't. doing any of those things. >> I would love to know what he was like. thinking in his brain to be like this is. a good idea to like pretend I don't give. I don't care. >> And that's so strange because in the. background he's doing all this detective. work into him. So it it just goes. against what he's saying because he does. believe her. >> Yeah. So just just tell her. >> tell her that. Yeah. Like what? >> I know. Don't try to play it cool, you.

guys. Like if if your partner is out. there and you just just be on the same. page like I hear you. >> Yeah. >> What can I do to support you? Like even. if you don't know what to do because I. find like me and Justin sometimes like. I'll be venting. I'll be so stressed. I'll have this big issue and he'll try. to like give solutions, but like then it. just like makes me feel worse in those. times. Like we've kind of come up with. this like strategy because of things. I've learned and it's like. >> do you want help, a hug or support? Like. what what do you want? And like if he.

he'll start to ask me that now and I'm. like I just want to feel like I'm being. heard. >> Yeah, just listen to me. >> That's it. Like. >> that's it. >> Sometimes there's not really a solution. It's just like this is just it is what. it is. >> Yeah. Like that's super shitty, babe. like, "I'm so sorry you're going through. that. Do you want to go get a burger?". >> Nice little distraction. You are you on. the cow this week? >> Yeah. And also like maybe I'm wrong, but. I just feel like if they had. investigated together, it would have. maybe like strengthened their.

relationship as well if they were like. doing all this work together. >> So, I'm just confused by him. I think. that absolutely would have strengthened. their bond cuz then it's like she feels. supported, she feels heard, she's got an. ally in this fight cuz like I mean the. main thing was is like I have nobody in. her original post. My friends aren't. close to him. I don't want to tell them. I don't want to get back to Fred. Don't have a relationship with my. parents. My husband like her husband. really just like added that extra layer. for no reason. >> Absolutely.

Damn. Don't do what he did. OP, if. you're out there listening, I hope all. is well. If you can't update again. because of legal stuff, totally. understand. Feel free to send me a. direct message on Reddit, but I really. hope you're doing well and are safe and. Fred is no more. >> Yeah, this is not your traditional baby trap. It is going to be a wild ride, though. Okay, you ready? >> Yep. Am I the [ __ ] for calling out my.

kid's future stepmom for treating me. like a surrogate? >> Future stepmom. >> Mhm. I, 29, female, dated a guy, Joe, 30. male, for 3 months before he left me to. go back to his ex, Kim, 30 female. Right. after we broke up, I found out I was. pregnant. And now I'm at 24 weeks. I let. him know, and he was ecstatic. Turns out. his girlfriend had fertility issues and. would likely never be able to get.

pregnant naturally and he has always. wanted to be a father. Getting back. together was out of the qu question for. both of us. So, he's still with his. girlfriend. >> Wow. >> I get it now. >> Uh-huh. Joe was only allowed at the initial. appointment because of CO and we found. out I was having twins. According to. Joe, when he told Kim she had a mental. breakdown about infertility and wanted. to talk to me. I met them at their house. and Kim stated that she wanted to be.

involved in my pregnancy because she. would eventually be the children's. stepmother. She started telling me that. I needed to do a home birth, that I. needed to do formula feed so that they. could have the babies half of the week, that she wanted one boy and one girl, and that she wanted the kid to call her. mama since they would be calling me. mommy. I shut her down and said I would. make the best choices for my children. and my body and left. >> Oh my god. >> Also, they're just dating. Like, they're. not engaged.

Like, you're not. >> I want a boy and a girl. >> Doesn't work like that, sweetheart. God. >> Okay, cool. Yeah, I'll make it happen. >> Yeah, let me just [ __ ] This is not an. easy bake. >> Do you want to deliver the babies? >> Home birth with my hands going up, weirdo. Okay. >> And you're already dealing with the fact. that you had just this breakup and. you're pregnant and now you're dealing. with the ex he went back to. >> Yeah. This is the least ideal.

co-parenting situation you could. possibly have. This is like what's that. movie with Seth Rogan? Knocked up. >> It's like a like drunken one night. stand. They have to raise a kid. together. Yeah. It's just not not ideal. >> Quite the trio. >> It seriously. Kim continued to be overbearing and. texting me every day about my eating. habits, exercise habits, and bitching. about how her job wouldn't let her take. maternity leave. At the virtual genetics. counseling appointment, she attended. instead of Joe and took over the whole.

meeting trying to talk about her family. history, which wasn't relevant. She shares no DNA with these children. Why do your genetics matter? >> I don't know. When it came time for my. 20week level two scan, they allowed me. one guest and Joe suggested I take him. instead of him, which I refused to do. Joe did end up coming and he found out. the gender because I wanted to keep it a. surprise for me so we could throw a. gender reveal party. I put a pregnancy. announcement on my social media and then.

she put up an announcement saying they. were expecting twins, quote, the. non-traditional way. And how blessed she. was. We are expecting. >> we I was irritated, but I kept my mouth. shut. Then she threw a gender reveal. party and posted it on social media. I. wasn't even invited. >> Oh my god. Wait, but she didn't even. want to know yet. >> No, she wanted to keep it a surprise. until her gender reveal party. She. wanted to be surprised.

>> Mean, >> this is cold. >> This is weird, but mean. >> She's just She just looks at her like an. oven. She literally looks at her like a. surrogate, like a true surrogate. Like, I'm just I'm paying you to have my. children for me. She also announced that. she's having a baby shower. I commented. on her post and told her to stop. treating me like a surrogate and the. kids weren't hers and that Joe didn't. have any claim or custody of the kids. until they were born. I then called Joe. and reiterated all of this and stated.

that I would not be seeing either of. them until we went to family court and. that my mother would be my birthing. partner. He and Kim and some of her. friends and family are saying I'm an. [ __ ] And her mother even called and. insisted I give her one of my babies. Like this is the parent trap. Oh my gosh. So. >> the mom's crazy, too. It doesn't fall. far from the tree, as they say. So, am I.

the [ __ ]. >> No. >> Definitely not. >> No. I would be getting a lawyer. immediately running for the hills. Like, this is this is scary. >> I get I've watched too many episodes of. Crime Junkies and I used to fall asleep. to watch um to watching like ID. Discovery Channel, the crime show. channel. So, this is where my mind goes. in the first place. But I feel like this. Kim lady is gonna let her have the. babies and then like off her somehow.

>> Yeah, it's weird. It's like some super. strong manipulation. I don't even know. I don't know how you. even react in that. But I guess one. positive thing is she dodged a big. bullet with Joe. >> Yeah, he sounds like he was not. Granted they're not dating anymore. He's. dating Kim. So, he's probably going to. have Kim's back. >> But still, the fact that he's dating. someone like Kim is like. >> a red flag in itself, >> right? >> It's weird. >> And then the mom, you're going to come.

in and say, >> it's so so unusual. This is your. daughter who's dating a guy who knocks. someone else up. Like, they're looking. at this like this is their miracle. It's. the perfect opportunity for them to get. these babies. But how as you as a. mother, like in your right mind, do you. feel entitled to these kids to basically. say, "Oh, yes, you should give my. daughter one of your babies to make this. situation right.". >> Yeah. >> No. What? >> Yeah. >> It's [ __ ] nuts.

>> I don't know how you'd feel that sense. of ownership. >> It's entitlement. This lady is just. acting like an entitled [ __ ]. >> So, when you have a baby shower is. before the babies are born. >> Yeah. So, if you were to actually have a. surrogate, how do you have a baby. shower? Then. >> you still you still have a baby shower. Um, it's just your friends and family. Basically, a baby shower is a party for. you when you're pregnant. So, your. friends and family can give you gifts. and everything before the baby comes. So, when the baby does arrive, you're.

super prepared. You have all the. diapers, the car seat, whatever, you. know, gifts they give you. Um, I think. from what I've seen with people that. have surrogates is you just have a. typical baby shower as you would except, you know, you're not pregnant. Some. people invite their surrogate there to. make them included. I think it just. depends. >> To overstep and Yeah. top comment, not. the [ __ ] OP, I'm not even being. dramatic in any way when I say get a. lawyer now. Keep records of everything.

and whatever you do, do not allow. yourself to be alone with Kim. Almost. none of Kim's behavior is okay. In fact, it's disturbing. Block phone numbers. File a police report for harassment if. you have to. Keep yourself and your. children safe. >> Well, and what's sad about it is you. want your kids to have a relationship. with their father, but. >> you don't feel I I mean, I wouldn't feel. safe having him go and stay with Kim. >> No, not at all. >> Like, that's some creepy. And you don't. know what kind of things Kim's going to. implant in them in the sense like the.

ideas and the mentality surrounding. their mom then. >> Yeah. I mean, I've had stepparents, and. I think it is a really, really difficult. role to be a steparent, but I've had. stepparents that are so toxic. And. I mean, that just talking [ __ ] about my. mom in front of me or my other parent. And it's just it's baffling. Like, at. the end of the day, you're a steparent, that's their mom. You cannot talk [ __ ]. about someone's mom in front of them, especially a young child. It's [ __ ].

up. Other top comment. And Kim's mother. suggesting they split the twins between. parents. What the [ __ ]. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. OP was right when she said she. wasn't being treated as a mother, but. the surrogate. I would go so far as to. say the twins are seen as objects as. well. OP needs to lawyer up and play. hard ball about custody. Kim's not going. to get better here. She has people. enabling her behavior. >> 100%. I'm so curious what Joe's take is. I wish we had some information on Joe. >> I know more. this other comment. Um, it.

says under his eye, which I was actually. thinking about this. There's a show and. a book called Handmaidaiden's Tale, and. it's basically about this alternate like. you like society in the future where men. are basically barren and they round up. these fertile women from the public and. force them to breed. And. >> I remember that. >> Yeah. And it's just the most disturbing. show. >> Yeah. So.

yeah, it literally kind of feels like. that. And this gets really scary here. This actually makes me wonder if it. wasn't the intention when the ex and. psycho G broke up. >> Yeah. >> 3 months to try and make a baby with. someone else is a lot cheaper than IVF. or surrogacy. >> That's crazy. >> Oh my god. and that the ex gives no. shits about being involved and is happy. to send psycho future stepmom.

>> Yeah, I mean from the post it seems like. they kind of got together and then fell. apart real quick. >> It was very convenient. Very, very. convenient. Oh, I do not like this story. at all. So, >> that's like a movie. >> It is. This is literally the plot of a. movie. And I hope this one for her in. her real life has a happier ending than. how Hollywood would take it. >> Yeah. God, the edit she gives. I'm. definitely getting a lawyer ASAP. Y'all. have scared the [ __ ] out of me, but I'm. happy you did. And another update. I.

never considered this could have. happened on purpose. We used condoms. because I do not react well to hormonal. birth control, and I had to wait to get. a non hormonal IUD because of other. medical issues. The Thursday I posted. this, I went to the police, and they. stated that there was nothing they could. do because a crime hadn't been. committed. In my state, orders of. protection are criminal or family. So, I. was able to get one against Joe. On. Friday, I did get a lawyer and they let. me know in my state there was nothing I. could do as far as custody before the. babies are born. So, I'll be leaving my.

state soon to ensure that this isn't my. baby's home state and I can't be charged. with anything. >> Smart. >> Yeah. >> And at the end of the day, Joe could be. a great guy. She doesn't sound like. she's going to keep the kids from him, you know, if he's going to be a good. dad. But at the end of the day, like. better to be safe than sorry. >> 100%. >> Like you're this is your life and if. this [ __ ] girlfriend is going to get. dangerous, run, >> right? And at this point, your loyalty. is to the kids. Your loyalty is not to.

>> Jo. No, it's you and your body. These. babies aren't even here yet. They I. mean, so many variables could happen. And at the end of the day, you just need. to like, as a pregnant woman, you do not. need to deal with that stress. It could. cause so many issues. >> Yeah. And you're this deep into. pregnancy and you just feel used. >> An incubator. >> Yeah. >> Like an incubator. However, someone sent. this post to Kim and she came to my job, damaged my car, and broke a bunch of.

office windows. I work with kids, so she. was arrested for not just the criminal. damage and trespassing, but also child. endangerment. So hopefully that works in. my favor. Also, if Joe did it on. purpose, I don't think Kim knew because. she was screaming at me about how I. stole her life and everything I had was. supposed to be hers. >> Interesting. Kim's a psycho. >> Kim has some issues for sure. >> Oh my god. >> Definitely.

Definitely some issues. And I guess like. if they didn't do it on purpose. Yeah. Can you imagine like we broke up for 3. months and. you slept with someone else and we. realized we made a big mistake and got. back together and you know a couple. weeks down the road you found out that. the girl was pregnant. Like that would. be terrible. >> That honestly makes more sense though I. think. >> Yeah. >> than them doing it on purpose. >> Yeah. >> I think doing it on purpose is is great. for the movie, great for the drama. >> Yeah. But not real life. It doesn't seem.

that plausible, >> right? But I can I can see what it would. feel like to have that perfect someone. and then. they're so now they're pregnant with. someone else, but you're back together. and you feel like, "Oh, that should be. me. That should have been my. >> spot.". >> Especially if you're dealing with. fertility problems, >> right? >> You do feel like this was my happy this. was supposed to be my happy ending, my. happy life, >> and now she has it. >> and she has it, quote unquote. >> Yeah. And then her now going through.

these, you know, these safety measures. which are so justified obviously, but you're like she in her mind she's. probably like she's trying to steal this. from me. This was my one shot and she's. stealing it from me. >> I guess there's there's probably better. ways to go about it where you might. actually be able to participate and be. more of that active role like you're. trying to be. >> Yeah. And I think, you know, you can. have a good relationship with your. stepchildren at the end of the day, but. that only works if you are on good terms. with the mom and you're you're a team.

and co-parenting together. >> Co-arenting is hard though. Not Not. everyone can do it. >> I mean, if this kind of interaction. continues, it's going to be very, very. tough on those kids. >> It's. >> it's not going to turn out well. No, it's not the healthiest home life for. any of anyone. Any of them. >> Popcorn. Who? >> You. >> He. Am I the [ __ ] for cleaning out. the fridge without telling my husband?

My DH brought home a metal box that he. checks on often during the day when it's. in the fridge. When asked about it, he. said it contained freshly pickled olives. his friend Jason got from his uncle's. farm and wanted DH to keep till he gets. back from his business trip. I had no. problem with him keeping it safe at the. bottom of the fridge. DH always asked me. to be cautious with the box and not open. it as it'd be rude to touch other. people's stuff. Yesterday, I decided to.

clean out the fridge, which took me. about two two hours from unplugging the. fridge, emptying all of the items, grocery, vegetables, containers, and. washing and cleaning out the inside of. it, letting it settle before plugging it. in again. I took the box my husband. brought out of the fridge, and placed it. on the kitchen island alongside the. containers. While I was working, I. received a video call via WhatsApp from. my husband. while at work feeling bored. asking what I was doing. I showed him I. was cleaning out the fridge and he.

suddenly freaked out and asked about the. metal box. I was confused so I told him to calm. down and I showed him where the box was. He got mad telling me I should not have. cleaned out the fridge nor even touched. the box without telling him. I again. tried to ask him to calm down as I saw. no big deal about it. His precious box. was safe and sound, but he went on a. rant about how the box needed to be put. back inside the fridge ASAP and told me. to plug the fridge in right then, but I. couldn't because it was still wet and I.

wasn't finished cleaning the other. parts. Apparently, I pissed him off by stalling. and he hung up and 30 minutes later, he. came home and pitched a hissy fit saying. I should have picked a time where he was. home to clean out the fridge so that he. could take the box somewhere else to. keep it cool. I said, "So what? It was. sitting out of the fridge for barely 2. hours and olives can stand being outside. the fridge for a longer period." He. said, "I don't get it." And took the box. and wanted to leave with it. I asked.

where he was taking it, and he said he. needed to go back to work and had no. time to explain. I shrugged this whole. thing off, but he came back with it in. the evening and put it inside the. fridge, then complained about me. cleaning the fridge without telling him. and acting dismissive of his opinions. I. argued that what opinions could he have. on cleaning out the fridge? He argued. back saying he promised Jason he'd keep. his olives in good condition and I. should have just told him. End of story. I wonder if I messed up. He usually.

doesn't get that mad unless I've messed. up and I think that I have. >> Is that the end? >> Um, so what the [ __ ] is in the box? >> I'm picturing body parts. No, save that. >> I'm picturing body parts. I was just. gonna say what body parts are in this. >> I'm over here thinking like sperm. >> Drugs. >> From our other story. I'm like sperm. >> No, sperm. >> It's Jason sperm. >> Sperm kept in the. >> freezer. No, I know that it doesn't make. sense, but like that's just where my.

like where where I'm at right now. >> I'm dead ass. I'm like what body parts. is this? >> Yeah. >> Like who freaks the [ __ ] out that. they're And he checks he checks the. boxes the box multiple times a day. Yeah, but isn't it like the movie Rat. Race where they're trying to keep that. heart cool enough to make it all the way. through the whole movie and get. >> I forgot that movie existed. >> Oh my god. I don't know if I've seen it. >> Oh, this is the first. >> It takes place in Minnesota, doesn't it? >> Some I I I don't know that much about. rat race. >> All I know is there's some heart in some. like makeshift cooler and they're trying.

to keep it alive. >> I know. It sounds really really familiar. to where I feel like I've probably seen. it, but I'm not sure. But why is he. checking a box of olives multiple times. a day? Um. >> there's something crazy. >> But like why would why would they keep. body parts? Like. >> it's kidneys. >> But then why would he not for black. market? >> Okay. What are the updates? >> So this is this is a husband. Like why. would you not tell? Okay. So edit. First. of all, I'm aware that DH is acting. overproductive of the box, but he always.

acts like that whenever someone comes. over and asks him to keep an item safe, like furniture or car parts. And second. of all, no, I haven't seen those olives. myself, and I haven't opened the box. because I didn't even think I had to. But DH tends to be overprotective of his. friend's belongings, so I didn't give it. much thought. >> How? >> Another edit. >> How do you resist? Because many were. wondering, yes, I unplugged the fridge. before cleaning out since I did heavy. cleaning. You can see that it is a.

common method. Just Google it if you're. curious. I do it all the time. And to. give some info, the metal box does look. like a container of some sort, but DH. calls it box. So, I didn't think much. different. I want to know what's in the. box. >> So, I think that the edits are clearly. responding to the comments, which we. don't know what they are yet. So someone. goes, "Question, what does your husband do for work? Sanitation, construction, garbage transportation?".

OP replies back, "No, he works at a. marketing company as an assistant. >> and is a serial killer.". >> Dexter. Dexter. Someone replies back, "Please. open the box.". >> Yes. Although I am sure he will have. changed whatever was on the inside when. he took the box with him. >> [ __ ]. >> Someone goes, I think she opened the box. and he was standing in the doorway.

That's what I'll continue to think until. she says anything else. And that had. better be her telling us what's in the. box or I will lose my mind. Someone. goes, "Marketing company? Stand down. everyone. It's just cocaine.". >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Um, which I would not be surprised. if it's drugs. in the fridge. >> Yeah, exactly. Why would you freak out. about cocaine not being in the fridge? >> No chance. >> No, no, no, no. But I I'm sure like for. him it's just like if it's in the.

fridge. >> I know where it is. Don't touch it. >> Cuz he doesn't want her to open it up. >> But he freaked out about her unplugging. the fridge. >> Don't even bring it home. >> Yeah. >> He was He was like, "You unplugged the. fridge.". >> I know. Which also like I guess if it. was cocaine and you didn't want your. wife to find it, why not like stick it. >> under your bed? >> Anywhere else? Under your bed. There has. to be something else. What else needs to. be in the fridge? >> Cory's just [ __ ] nuts about. protecting other people's [ __ ] Like oh. my god. Morgan's like, "Take these. strawberries. I'll eat them in a couple.

days." And I'm just like, no matter. what, I'm going in from the studio every. 5 minutes to make sure that the fridge. is still. >> Those are strawberries. >> Yeah. Another comment info. Have you. actually confirmed that it is really. olives in there? Because it's all kind. of sounds suspicious. No, because why. would I since husband said it contained. olives? Honestly, I don't know why some. people think this is weird. Husband can. be a little too dramatic and. overprotective of others belongings. And. since it belongs to his friend, then why.

bother looking inside? It's not like he. took it from a stranger. What's wrong. with her? >> She's very trusting. I'm pissed. So, she. got literally like almost a thousand. down votes on that comment. Good. >> And someone replies back and goes, "Seriously, stop whatever you're doing. and go look in that box. >> And if you're [ __ ] posting for fun, I. don't care. Pretend you open the box. >> and make up something good.".

>> Yeah. >> God, this is [ __ ] crazy. Like, >> what's in the box? I what just makes me. mad is that she's like, "Why are you. going to Reddit and asking people for. their advice and you're not realizing. the fact that this is really. questionable?" Hi, Holly. Like, this is. so questionable. Like, what if you're if. you if anyone's going to freak out that. much about something in a secret box and. you were like, "There's something bad in. why would I look?" Like,

>> yeah. >> No one drives home from work to take the. box with them back to work and then. brings the box back home at the end of. the day with olives. >> For real. It's a lot. >> What kind of olives are they? Are Are. they [ __ ] gold? No one does that. >> Well, that maybe they've been Maybe. they've been ripened for a hundred. years. Or not ripened. What's it called? What's it called? Fermented. Yeah, >> that is true. >> Pickled. Pickled. Pickled. Pickled. >> Pickled fermented. I think. >> they did say pickled. Yeah, they did say. pickled. >> for 100 years. Maybe that's it.

>> But but still, I was so. >> Let's go with that so we all can just. sleep tonight and not. >> I don't know how you can like literally. be that unc crazy to like not. >> look in the box. >> I would have looked in the box from the. get go. I would have said you're not. keeping your friend's box in our fridge. unless. >> exactly same. >> I'll get my own fridge. >> There's not a goddamn chance I would. have let that box come in my fridge. without knowing what's inside. Is this. the end? You just close your computer. >> I kind of like that though. It's like a.

mic drop. >> Everyone's going to be left wondering. what is in the box. And that's all I. have for you friends. Can't believe. you've stuck it out to this far. What is. that? 8 hours. You must be training for. that 10-hour episode that's coming very, very soon. Not at a million yet, but. maybe when I wake up tomorrow. Thank you. guys for all your support and I hope you. enjoyed hearing these crimes from Reddit. again. Thanks guys.