Why Is Nick Fuentes So Popular? Nikki Haley's Son Explains.

Well, it looks like all the screaming about Nick  Fuentes on the internet is finally dying down. a little bit. It couldn't go on forever, though  it seemed like it might. And that's a good thing. because after all, there's a lot else going on  in the world, some of it important. And watching. people day after day stand up to basically make  the same point. I'm a good person, unlike him, not that interesting or edifying or even really  informative. I mean, we definitely learned that. there are quite a few professional conservatives  who are not that conservative in any sense that.

really matters. Some of them are fraudulent or  sad or kind of stuck in nonprofit jobs because. they can't get another. And your sympathy goes out  to them. But listening to them talk day after day. really didn't teach us anything. But it doesn't  mean that there aren't lessons to be learned. In fact, there's one really important lesson,  and this was really the reason to interview. Nick Fuentes in the first place. And the lesson is  that a lot of young men in America, mostly white, but not exclusively, listen to Nick Fuentes really  carefully. And the lesson that our professional.

betterers in Washington have drawn over the past  few weeks is that means they're as bad as Nick. Fuentes. They're Nazis, too. But of course,  they're not Nazis by and large. They're just. American young people. And so the question is,  and it's a pressing question if you care about. the future of the country, why have they been  listening to Nick Fuentes sincerely? Like, what is.

this? Why aren't they listening to somebody from  the Heritage Foundation or the Daily Wire? Why do. they believe Nick Fuentes more than they believe  the people who think they ought to have a monopoly. on the attention of young conservatives? That is  a really important question. And what does it say. not simply about their attitudes but about the  problems they face, the society they grew up in, the future they imagine for themselves. What  does it say about all of that that Fuentes. is so popular among young men? After all, young  men really are kind of the basis of our hope for.

continuing as a country. So if they're off in  some direction that you don't understand, it's. probably incumbent on you to try to understand  it to the extent you can. You know, it's hard to. understand other people's motives and it's even  harder when they're in a different generation. But making a good faith effort to figure out what  is this? Well, that's on us. Us being, you know, everyone with a job who's not in that generation,  all the beneficiaries of a a stronger, more.

cohesive America, the America we grew up in, which  doesn't exist anymore. It's our responsibility to. look at newer generations and say, "What's  going on with them? Can we help in any way?". If we care about our country, if we care about  our own families, our children and grandchildren, we probably want to do that. And it's probably  not enough to call them names. It doesn't work. for one thing. It just makes whatever we claim  to dislike even stronger. There's one lesson of. the Trump 2015 announcement and everything that's  happened since then, the last 10 years, it's that.

And the lesson obviously is that when every power  center in the country declares war on you, you. become a power center. It doesn't destroy you, it  makes you stronger. It's certainly true for Donald. Trump. Would he have become president in 2016 and  2024 if all the cool kids hadn't denounced him as. a Nazi? Probably not. Would he been reelected if  the FBI hadn't raided Mara Lago and gone through. his wife's underwear drawer? We can debate it.  But maybe not. Maybe this would be the Ronda.

Santis presidency. Probably. So attacking people,  particularly when you attack them ad homonym, when you don't try to deconstruct or rebut the  arguments they're making, but just calling them. names, Nazi, that's counterproductive every  single time. You expose yourself as hysterical. and shallow and you elevate them in the minds  of everybody else. They're important enough to.

be yelled at by every trustee at the Heritage  Foundation or whatever. They must be important. So again, it doesn't work. But it's also on a  deeper level kind of immoral. It's immoral to. dismiss the concerns of your countrymen as beneath  consideration. I don't have to listen to you. because you like some guy who's got ugly views.  And by the way, it's not a defense of all of. Fuentes's views. We interviewed him on this show  and said it is totally immoral to hate Jews as.

a group because it's totally immoral to hate any  group. Period. That's always wrong. But it doesn't. mean that everything Fuentes says is wrong. It's  not wrong. And more to the point, what he says on. the air and his huge popularity, which has only  increased the more these people scream at him, says a lot about the people who were listening  and their legitimate concerns and the factors in.

our society in America and and the West that gave  rise to their attitudes like how did this happen? Let's for once in the last 20 years look back  and ask ourselves an honest question. How did. this happen? Let's do what we didn't do when we  withdrew from Afghanistan or declared a truce. in Iraq or hard carted away the rubble from 9/11.  We never asked how did this happen and no one was.

ever held responsible for allowing it to happen  or the bad decisions that made it happen. not. one person. And so, of course, inevitably,  disasters followed disasters because if you. never take the time to take responsibility  for what you've done or even understand it, you're apt to repeat it. It's the most obvious  observation in the world. It's the basis of good. parenting. It's why you make your kids apologize,  of course. So, let's, in the case of Nick Fuentes,

focus not on Nick Fuentes, but on the people who  watch Nick Fuentes. What kind of world have they. grown up in? These young white men. Well, they've  grown up in over the last 10 years a world that. hates them. And not in a subtle way, openly with a  whoou like directness and ferocity. They've grown.

up in a country that has systematically  in law excluded them from the workplace, from education, from federal grants, and has told  them again and again and again, "No, we're not. discriminating against you, and yes, you deserve  it." Imagine growing up like that. And again, this isn't behind the scenes. This is way out  in the open. And not only has it done exactly.

that to young white men, of course, white men  being the one group were officially excluded. under DEI. There's only one. It's white men, white  straight men. It's not whining. And by the way, this happens to be the one group in America who by  and large have been taught for cultural reasons, don't whine. Don't talk about yourself so much. No  one wants to hear your story. And whatever you do, don't be the victim. All of that's good advice,  by the way. But this group has not only been. excluded with the force of law by the justice  department in every state and in every college and.

university with maybe three exceptions. They've  been mocked and attacked and lectured and heranged. and screamed at. Every bookstore in America had  books on display. Whiteness is the problem. Well, what if you're white? You know what? What if  you're like 19 and you're thinking about how.

do I make my way in this increasingly competitive,  maybe even ruthless country and everywhere I go, people are telling me I'm bad because of the way  I was born. What effect would that have on you? And then you flip on the tube or the internet and  all these people with big jobs making big salaries. who have the implied moral authority of their  positions are telling you you're bad because of. your skin color. And by the way, this is not  a guess. Here's an example. We have systemic. racism in the United States of America. It exists  today and it's a white man's problem. White men.

are responsible for it, not black men. And we have  stood by to see mediocre, melymouthed uh snowflake. white men who are incapable of taking critique,  who are willing to dole out infamous repudiations. of the humanity of the other. And yet they call  us snowflakes and they are the biggest flakes of. snow to hit the earth. American history is one in  which white Americans uh by and large have been.

taught to have indifference or even contempt for  black life. We have defined the country as a white. nation where people of color are here on a guest  pass. One in three Americans are racists. One in. three Americans are terrified that this country by  the year 2040 is not going to be majority white. There has been no oppression for the white man in  this country. And don't let it escape you that it.

is white men on this side of the aisle telling  us people of color on this side of the aisle. that that y'all are the ones being oppressed. Wake  up, white men. What the [ __ ] is wrong with you. and you're just eating it up? Oh my god. Look at  what they're doing. All of a sudden, my heritage. is going to be over. that I won't I want to live  in a country where there where white kids go to. white schools and and white people marry each  other. What is wrong with that? I want to grow.

up in the country that my greatgrandfather grew  up in. That country doesn't exist anymore, [ __ ]. So, you can see why there probably are some Nick  Fuentes viewers who are a little confused when. they hear themselves attacked as racist. Racism is  wrong. Of course, it is wrong. But they've grown. up in a world where one of the leading CNN anchors  is looking right into the camera. What the [ __ ]. is wrong with you white people? You want your You  want to be near other white people. You want to.

have a heritage. You want to have white children.  How dare you? The CNN anchor is married to a white. guy. Whatever. But it's a little hard to tell  people that racism is wrong when you're committing. it. And again, it's not just a few people. It  was our entire ruling class was lecturing us. about how whiteness is a disease. It's a plague.  It's inherently sinful. It's the source of all.

evil. The president of the United States stood  up and said racism is the problem and it's only. committed by whites. It's a white man problem. Is  racism only committed by whites? No. And everyone. knows that hating other people is a human  problem. One that every person struggles with, hopefully struggles against cuz it's wrong. It's  always wrong. Anti-semitism is wrong. It's every.

bit as wrong as what you just saw. It's every bit  as anti-lack racism or anti Malaysian racism. It. doesn't matter. Hating people for how they were  born is wrong. It's called a universal principle. This country was founded on universal principles.  They apply to everyone equally. That's the promise. of America. That is Western civilization.  If you could sum it up in a sentence, what is Western civilization? Well, it's a  civilization governed by universal principles. Everyone can be saved. No one is damned by his  nature. And hating any group, because that's true,

hating any group is by definition immoral. Doesn't  mean it hasn't happened. It happens all the time, of course, because it's the default setting  in the human heart, but we need to struggle. against it. Maybe not ban it. It's hard to ban  attitudes. And once you get down that road, you become totalitarian immediately. But say  it's wrong. And if it's not wrong in every case,

then it can't really be wrong, can it? If it's not  a universal principle, then it's not a principle. And so, how can my racism be worse than your  racism? Well, of course, it can't. So the people. lecturing Fuentes viewers for something that is  wrong, hating all Jews is wrong, totally wrong, don't have the moral authority to make the  case because they've been engaging in this. in public and in private for the entire lifetime  of Nick Fuent's viewers. So it's hard to take them.

seriously. And by the way, you can tell exactly  where this is going. It's going toward violence. Tribal warfare. That's the last thing you want.  That's why this is a great country. That's why. it's exceptional. Because we haven't had that.  And why haven't we had that? Because we have. self-consciously and out loud said, "These are  universal principles that apply to every human.

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Straight white men. Harvard discriminates against  them. There's no guessing about that. There was a. lawsuit about it. We have the numbers. No one said  a word. No one said a word. Where was Paul Singer? These are now big Republican conservative donors.  Were they upset? Did they say anything? Did they. do anything meaningful? These are billionaires. If  anybody could have weighed in effectively against. systemic racism, real systemic racism, causing  harm, promoting one group over another on the.

basis of race, it would have been guys like this.  They said not a word or they certainly didn't do. anything about it, that's for sure. Now they're  all upset. Well, that looks like self-interest. to people watching. These for the fifth time  are universal principles. The continuation of. the United States depends upon those principles.  They must be vigorously defended above all by the.

most powerful people in our society. The people  who not simply have a voice but have power to. enforce those principles. The meritocracy is not  just some like goal that we should strive toward. It's the whole point. You have to judge people  on their behavior, not on their blood. Otherwise, you move very quickly into collective punishment.  This is why what Israel is doing in Gaza is.

immoral. Not simply because it's a bloody war  where civilians are being killed. That's very. common and very sad. But what makes this different  and worthy of comment is that Israeli politicians. are saying out loud and Mark Leavin is joining  them and saying out loud and a number of other. Americans are saying out loud, it doesn't matter  if they die because they're stained from birth. by this sin. It's the opposite of universalism.  It's tribalism. And it's certainly not unique to.

the Middle East at all. And anyone who thinks  it is is an idiot. It's the human condition. It's a state of man. It's like the deepest, most  obvious sin that we exhibit. But it's the whole. problem. And you see it in this country, too.  Oh, that's outrageous. Really, Donnie Deutsch? Is it outrageous? Did you say anything about the  racism all around you and the elite institutions. that you're so proud of being a part of? It was  the basis of those institutions. No, we're going.

to we're going to help some people and hurt other  people based on what their parents look like. So, why don't you sit this one out? Actually,  why don't you be quiet for a moment and think. about what the core problem is? That's the core  problem right there. It's not a defense of racism. or anti-semitism. It's all the same. It's the  only reason to oppose it. If it applies to you, it applies to me. You should defend that principle  as vigorously as I do. And let's hope there's no.

evidence that's happening, by the way. Everyone's  just retreating into their own little group being. like, "No, I don't want my people to get hurt."  No, no. You don't want any person in our country. ever to face that ever. That's why segregation  was wrong. That's why the Nazis were bad. I mean, really, we have to have this conversation.  Apparently, we do. It's not an attack on. everyone to point that out. It is not an attack on  anyone to point that out. It is instead a defense.

of everyone. It's not an attack on anyone. It's  a defense of everyone. It's the only defense of. everyone. And it's the only way forward. So that's  the environment that these kids grew up in. Racism. is wrong. Anti-semitism is wrong. How would they  even know that? How would they know that? Because. you've been committing it. Probably had no idea.  The second thing to remember about this audience,

and I'll I'll just say I'm 56, so like how well do  I understand Nick Finson's audience? I don't know. Probably not that well, but I made some effort  to to try to understand it. Again, because it's. just objectively important. The second thing to  remember is that they have been attacked. Again, not making them victims, not making excuses, just  trying to explain how we got here for the last 10. years because they are male, because they are men  or boys. And not just subtly with the overwhelming.

emphasis on female achievement in school. And  what about the girls? How are girls doing? Well, actually girls are doing great. It's the boys  who are withering and dying, turning inside, internalizing the hate against them. as is so  often the case, exhibiting it as self-hate. Not just ignored, but attacked out loud for being  male by some of the most powerful people in our.

society. Again, in case you've forgotten,  here it is. the level of misogyny online. Um. everything from literal threats uh against women  in the public arena to the demeaning of women to. uh men with very large platforms who uh espouse a  kind of toxic masculinity connected with violence.

uh brutality even sometimes rape um is so shocking  but it's a reality. There's too much of toxicity. It's masculine toxicity out there and there  we've kind of confused what it means to be a man, what it means to be masculine. We're seeing  it with our younger people. We're seeing it. in our discourse and our politics in the media.  You're seeing it as it relates to so many of the. issues that we're we're pushing back on. So, um I  think it's a problem and I'm going to continue to.

use this platform every time I get to to speak  out against this toxic masculinity that's out. there. when they talk about Republicans uh and  their success online, they have been successful. because they have also been very clear especially  digitally about what they believe that women are. inferior that do not and they do not deserve equal  rights that they believe that LGBTQ Americans are. subhuman and they are able to radicalize and  target and exploit a generation of young boys.

in particular, away from healthy masculinity and  into an insecure masculinity that requires the. domination of others who are poorer, browner,  darker, or a different gender than them. It's. like, and now for today's lecture on masculinity  from Alexandria Accaziocortez and Doug Mhof.

I mean, you're you're tempted to dismiss  this as once again the unhappiest people. in our society spreading their own personal  pain to the entire population. And of course, on one level, that's exactly what it is. People  with dysfunctional, incomplete, sad, personal. lives probably shouldn't be telling anyone else  how to live. In the same way you probably wouldn't. take real estate advice from a homeless guy or  investment counsel from Bernie Maid off. Only.

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the Tucker Carlson Show sent you with maximum  enthusiasm. But there's more going on here. So one of the saddest things that you learn when  you talk to people under say 35 unmarried people. and most are the average marriage age I think  in this country is around 30. It was you know. in the early 20s not that long ago. People  aren't getting married and maybe you think. that's a great thing. Certainly if you're a  Democratic politician you think that's great. because that just means more voters for you.  But if you're like a normal person who cares.

about human happiness and thriving and children  and continuing your country and civilization, that's a bad thing. So the question is, how  did it happen? And if you talk to young people, it's not exactly clear what the answer is, but you  notice immediately that the relationship between. men and women, boys and girls, is broken on a  level it's hard to see how you can fix. I mean, contemptuous of each other, suspicious of each  other, at some point dismissive of each other.

That's really what you pick up. There's hostility.  Men feel hostile to women, women feel hostile to. men. Could there be anything sadder than that?  Since men and women are designed for each other, it's hard to become fully complete without the  other. That's not even a theological point. It's. a biological point. It's true for all species,  male and female. That distinction is encoded in.

all of nature in plants and animals. It's in the  universe. You might say it's just a fact. And you. can ignore it and pretend that a woman needs a  man like a fish needs a bicycle. You can come up. with any slogan you want. You can externalize your  childhood trauma in any way you want and write all. the books you want about how dad is bad, but you  can't get around nature because you didn't create. it. You don't make the rules. You either live  by them and thrive or you ignore them and are. destroyed. That's the choice that we face. Period.  I mean, you could say, you know, it's snowing.

outside. I'm going to wear my underwear because I  should be able to. Well, you're going to freeze to. death because it's not up to you. And the same is  true for the relationship between men and women. And you can say, "I hate them. I don't want them."  But you're not going to thrive. Period. You will. be miserable. And you just saw three miserable  people right on the screen. Our society has. systematically, knowingly or not. It's hard to  know exactly how much was intentional, poisoned. the relationship between young men and young  women. And they've done it in a bunch of different.

ways. We could go on for hours on this topic, but  the results tell the story. They're not getting. married because they don't like each other. They  don't know how to communicate with each other. and above all they think they don't need each  other and that's a lie. It's a lie. So anyone. who is promoting that view is at fault. And when  you're powerful and have a platform, a megaphone, when other people are watching you and taking  cues from you, when you have the power to convince.

other people of something and to live a certain  way, boy, you're guilty. That's your fault. So when I hear people say, "Well, you  know, the thing about Nick Fuentes is. he's a misogynist. He doesn't like women." Well,  maybe there's some truth in that and that's bad, but it's not so much immoral as it is depressing.  That's the other thing. This is a group of people.

whose imagination, whose moral imagination is  so limited and they're so narcissistic in the. way they see the world. It's all about them.  every person's sin is an opportunity for them. to gloat about how good they are. That it never  occurs to them that this is a tragedy. If you. hear a young man say, "I prefer porn to girls  or they're all [ __ ] and they want, you know, money and they're all they're all basically  prostitutes," which is kind of the argument. that you hear. You know, you should be very upset  by that, very sad about that and mindful of what.

that's going to mean in 20 years on every level.  On the most obvious level, like who's going to. make the babies? But on a deeper, more human  level, like how much misery is that? A lot. So if you're adding to that, if you're attacking  young men once again for how they were born, you are the problem. And you share some of the  responsibility for the results, for the bad.

attitudes that inevitably will form in the face  of your hectoring. It's your fault, too. It's. our fault, too. That's just true. And now we've  reached a point where it's like an actual crisis. And our leaders are not are not responding in a  way that's going to make it better because again. they're caught up in their own dramas, their  own tribal dramas, their own personal dramas.

It's all about them always. You watch this Mandani  thing going on in New York. Hardly an endorsement. of Mandani. I mean, please. But like, what do you  hear about the guy? 80% of the criticism of Donnie. is like his position on Gaza. Who cares? What does  that have to do with anything in New York City? Who cares what he thinks of Gaza or BB? That's far  away and not relevant. This is a guy who said out.

loud on camera and then once again out loud on  camera defending the first time he said it, "I'm. going to tax white people more because they're  white." Does anyone even notice that? No. Because. the people who don't like him have they don't  care. because they don't see a connection between. what happens to those white people and what might  happen to some group or cause they're interested. in. They're unwilling to defend the universal  principle. And so they're just it's just more.

self-interest. How dare you say that about Gaza?  Wait a second. This is a mayor of the biggest city. just said he's going to he's going to tax white  people more. Well, you're just saying that because. you're white. new saying it because I'm a human  being and a Christian and that's not acceptable. Your leaders can't talk or think that way or else  it all just falls apart. And in a country that's. the size of a continent with 50 component parts,  it could fall apart really really fast and become.

super super ugly. And we are right on the brink of  that. Why are they misogynists? Maybe because you. told them the hormones they were born with were  toxic. What are they supposed to do with that. transition? Well, a lot of them did. Cut your dick  off. The ultimate sign of bowing before authority. You're right. I'll self-castrate. And again, a  lot did. But what about the ones who didn't want.

to self-castrate? Where are they? Well, they're  pissed and they're pissed at you. They're mad at. you and they have every good reason to be mad at  you. Period. The third lesson we should take from. the fact that Nick Fuentes, who everyone's  busy down, Nick Fuentes, he's the problem, right? Yeah, he's the problem. Some 27y old he's  the problem. No, you're the problem, actually.

And the third factor in his popularity is the  fact, the uncontestable fact that the economy. the rest of us in our 50s,60s and 70s people have  all the money have created is destroying young. people. Just a fact. And it's not just that they  it's not just that they can't have, you know, the. place in Greenwich and the place in Jackson Hole.  It's no, they can't have any place. They can't. have anything. They don't can't own anything. And  rather than even spend a day thinking through like.

how do we fix this? The answer is well we'll just  import people who are grateful for what they're. getting here because the differential between what  they got at home and got here is pretty big. Look. if you're from Waka or Bangalore like not owning  a home in your 30s is fine. You never expected. to own a home anyway. So, you're just you're just  happy to be here and you're grateful to the people. who brought you and you'll vote for them. That is  literally their thinking and it's demonstrable.

It's their thinking. But for people who were born  here, what a betrayal. What a terrible betrayal. and worse than a betrayal. Here's just an overview  of it. Buying a home has never been harder. The. average firsttime buyer is now 40 years old and  it's more expensive to own. Nationally, the median. price of a home is $415,000. up more than 50%  since 2019. If you buy that average price home. now, the payment is roughly $2,000 a month. When  you pay it off in 30 years, it would have cost.

you about $657,000. Just 6 years ago, you'd have  paid $1,500 a month and about $563,000 total. The. dream of owning a home is causing some Americans  to rethink important milestones. A new survey by. Coldwell Banker finds 71% of aspiring homeowners  are postponing at least one life decision like. getting married, having kids, or making career  moves until they can afford to buy a home. So,

they can't afford houses. Probably the top issue  for young men in their 20s and 30s are a lot of. issues. By the way, at a time when they can't buy  a home, the idea of sending money to a foreign. country, particularly Israel, but all countries,  any country, Sudan, France, pretty offensive, because it is, after all, their government. They  pay for it. You know, why wouldn't it offend them? But not being able to buy a home, if you ask any  young person, or at least the dozen or two I've.

asked, number one, like I grew up in a home, not  an apartment, not section 8, not a rental house, but like a house that I own. Not a huge house,  but it's like a house. Could go to Home Depot, buy garden hose, fix the gutter. Like that's kind  of the dream actually for most men. And in that. home, I have my wife, my children, and my dog.  Like, it's not these are not crazy aspirations. These are the most human aspirations men think  about when they go to sleep at night. It's like.

my little house. There's nothing more male than  that. You know, it's my cave. And they're being. denied that. So, they're upset. And increasingly,  they feel nihilistic. And why wouldn't they? But. the question that too few ask is, well, why can't  they buy a home? Like, what is that? And you often. hear dumb people say, "We just don't have enough  homes." Okay, don't have enough homes. We need. to take like Yellowstone and build section 8 or  something. Morons. And of course, you know, supply.

and demand is real. And so, you know, there are  fewer homes than than we would like to have and so. the price rises. Okay, but that's not really the  whole story. There are a bunch of factors. One, big companies buying homes and turning them into  rentals. Why would you ever allow that? If you. want a revolution, keep that up. Two is we just  have more people. Density is a real thing. This. is a great country because it's not an overpop  populated country. It's not Bangladesh, not just. because we're better than the Bangladeshies, but  because there are fewer of us in a bigger piece.

of land. You don't want to live cheek to jow.  It makes people crazy. It makes rats crazy and. it makes people crazy. Nobody wants that. But  we're getting it and we're getting it through. immigration. Illegal and legal. We're being  flooded with people from outside the country. Everyone's like, "Oh, wow." You know, that's a  that's a racial thing. Okay. Maybe for some people. there are racial elements for sure. Certainly  a lot of cultural elements that are important, but like at root, it's a very simple question.  Has nothing to do with ethnicity or even culture.

It's like how many people do you want living  near you? So many you can't afford a house. That's kind of an overlooked byproduct of stuffing  the country full of people who are here because. they're inexpensive to employ and grateful to  be here. It's a massive byproduct. But there's. another factor that's never mentioned and that's  debt. Young people are totally in hawk. They are.

completely indebted. They have student loans.  they were required to get a degree or told they. were required to get a degree to get some  job that no longer exists because it's been. eliminated or H-1B or whatever. The jobs aren't  there. Unemployment among recent college grads. is out of control. Out of control. Are they  becoming more moderate once once they leave. college like hundreds of thousands of dollars  of debt? They followed every instruction they. were given dutifully because young people are  actually pretty dutiful. And in this country,

young people, some of them are really smart for  real. Talk talk to them. There tons of losers, of course, there always are. But the smart ones  are really smart and very aware of what's going. on. And they know that they've been completely  betrayed. They did what they were told to do. And. they're shafted. They're literally shafted because  they don't have enough income. In some cases, any. So what are they doing? They're going into debt.  They have student loans. They have credit card.

debt. And of course, now there are all these other  ways to borrow money that are disguised. Buy now, pay later. What's that? You're going into debt, of  course. And what's so interesting about this, and. this is a problem primarily on the right, though  not exclusively, is that no one has sympathy. for them at all. Conservatives, hate to say this  out loud, but it's true. Conservatives have been.

trained to blame the borrower, not the lender.  It's like a feature of the mindset. Well, you took. the loan, you got to pay it back. It's your moral  duty to pay it back. Pay back what you owe. Don't. be a deadbeat. Okay, fine. Get it. Like it. But  is it really that simple? No, it's not. Because. the relationship between borrower and lender is  inherently symbiotic. One cannot exist without.

the other. What other relationship is like that?  What other fraught, sad, diseased relationship is. like that? Well, addict and pusher. Of course, you  you can't be a drug addict unless someone sells. you drugs. And yet, we understand the complexity  of that relationship and we punish both. In fact, we punish the drug dealer more harshly than we  punish the drug addict because we understand.

that the drug dealer is making all this suffering  possible. And we feel sorry for the addict. Well, he's an addict. We can we can punish him. And  by the way, throwing him in jail might be the. only way to sober him up. It might save his  life. And we should for his own sake and for. ours. Stop breaking into my car. Got it. But the  drug dealer, well, that we reserve our rage for. him because he's the one doing it. He's taking  advantage of the weak. And that's all true and. that's appropriate to feel that way. It's exactly  right. But we don't feel that way about credit.

card companies or student loan vendors or the guys  who are literally offering buy now pay later for. Door Dash. Some unemployed or undermployed college  grad went to some crappy college, got a worthless. degree cuz he believed in it. Now he can't get  a job at JP Morgan. He's never going to get one. And we are telling him it's totally cool to buy  sushi on credit. What? He shouldn't buy sushi on.

credit. Obviously, that's dumb. But he's a kid.  Who's worse? The guy who borrows the money or the. guy who loans the money at some ridiculous rate?  payday loans in this country. There are payday. loans that have a 600% annual interest rate and  we kind of ignore it because we're like, who would.

take a payday loan? You know, that's like a ghetto  thing. Okay. Okay, fine. It's a ghetto thing. But who would do that to the ghetto? Actually,  who would do something like that? If somebody. said to you, you know, you can make a pretty  good living exploiting and degrading people, destroying their lives. Would you do it? Hope not.  But if you did do it, the rest of us would have a. moral obligation to say you are disgusting. That's  disgusting what you're doing. And we don't. And.

we especially don't on the right because like  it's immoral to criticize banks or something. because you don't believe in free markets. Well,  yeah. I wish we had them. Of course I believe. in free markets. Where is the free market in the  United States? When you find it, you got my cell. But what we have to be against, and this is  more important than whatever you believe about. the effectiveness of relative economic systems,  we have to be against exploiting and crushing. people. And if we're not, then like what are we  doing? And it's not even a matter of banning it.

It's a matter of saying it's disgusting. 30%  interest credit card and that's totally fine. I must have done 15 segments at Fox News about  how Joe Biden's real sin was making credit card. debt non-dischargeable in bankruptcy. Oh, who  cares? Well, you're against capitalism. If you. want to make people against capitalism, let that  [ __ ] continue. And they will absolutely vote.

for Donnie. And they have, by the way, they have.  So if you want to understand why young people are. getting radical, one of the main reasons is they  are being exploited by the most unscrupulous, richest people in our society and then  being blamed for it. And no one says a. word about the rich, unscrupulous people who  are doing this because everyone's taking money.

from them. And you saw this in the last ad,  the Democratic, the liberal administration. So the idea was and it's true young people are  being destroyed by student loans. Okay, that's. true. Who who's benefiting from that? Well, the  the colleges of course are benefiting because it's. allowing them to hire more administrators than  they have professors. It's allowing them to live. in this kind of fantasy world where they build  this incredibly beautiful little biosphere in the.

middle of some economically depressed hellscape  in a rural area. That's true of like every New. England college. Bates College in Lewon. Ever been  to Lewon? Bates is beautiful. Why? Because they're. participating in the scam. of course, backstopped  by the federal government, by student loans. So, they're the beneficiary. They're the lone shark  here, actually, and so are the companies that are. getting rich from this. But what was what was the  Biden plan? The Biden plan was to stick taxpayers.

with the bill for bailing out students.  So, they identified the problem correctly, which is kids are getting completely screwed.  That's terrible. and it's preventing them from. having productive lives, getting married, buying  houses. It's hurting them. So, who gets to fix it? You do. You've got nothing to do with it. You're  probably paying your own kids tuition, but you get. to bail them out. And guess who's not blamed  or punished? The beneficiaries, the lenders,

because you can't criticize the banks. Can't  criticize the universities. Oh, yes you can. Yes, you can. because it's not exclusively their fault.  It's primarily their fault. And they've dodged all. responsibility. Just like everyone who's made life  destroying decisions in this country over the past. 20 years, the truly guilty have escaped not just  punishment, but criticism. Yeah. That can't go on.

forever. And in the meantime, it's creating a  whole new audience, not just for Fuentes, but. for a lot of increasingly radical people, because  that's what happens when you mistreat people and. then attack them for not liking it, is you make  them radical. As important as it is, politics. is not the answer to this country's or man's  greatest problem. The only solution is Jesus. Sorry, that's true. At its core, politics is a  process of critiquing other people and getting.

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they will get that way soon. But for right now,  most of them most of them are decent people and. smart. They know what's up. One of them is called  Nen Haley. We we thought a lot before doing this. interview, the one we're about to do, because the  man we're about to talk to is 24 and is the son.

of Nikki Haley, the former governor of South  Carolina, presidential candidate Neocon. And. there's really nothing more immoral than using a  child against a parent. I've been a consistent and. pretty strident opponent of Nikki Haley's views  for a long time. And so the idea of interviewing. her son of being like, "Doesn't your mom suck?  That's disgusting and we're never going to do. that." Um, and so we had a lot of conversations  off camera with him before this interview. And.

it turns out he really likes his mom a lot and  thinks she was a great mother and she's a great. person and he completely disagrees with some of  her views, maybe a lot of her views, while still. loving her and remaining grateful to her. And that  in itself is just such a remarkable model of what. this country should be, the way that we should  all be, but increasingly are not. And so we were. delighted to to talk to this man and I think and  I think if you listen carefully you will think.

that he has one of the from a young person one of  the clearest explanations for how a lot of young. Americans not just white men but a lot of young  people now currently feel about their leaders the. conservative movement and where we're going. So  with that Neil and Haley thank you for doing this. Yep. Thank you. So, the main reason I interviewed  Nick Fuentes is because I wanted to know why Nick. Fuentes was popular. And let me just say none of  this about Nick Fuentes. It's not about one guy,

but here you had a guy was, you know, everyone  hated him. He was canceled and he's getting bigger. and bigger, bigger, bigger. And I thought it's  possible he's saying some things that are dumb. or probably, you know, but some things that are  need to be heard and that are not being heard and. that are appealing to young men who feel like they  aren't being heard. And maybe we should hear this. and maybe even act on some of these problems.  Yeah. Before things get even crazier than they. already are. So, um, I want to talk to you not  because I have no idea what you think of next,

Francis. is not even going to ask you, but because  I think that young men are reacting against a. society that hates them and have these attitudes  we need to hear about. So, um, thank you. Have. your political views changed in the last 5 years?  Uh, well, how old are you? 24. Just turned 24. And. I actually would say not too much, just a little  bit. Yes. I would say my views started to change.

probably around late junior year of high school.  Nothing significant happened. It was nothing that. I saw or anything. It was just I decided I wasn't  going to accept just what Khan Inc. was giving me. And it's what's Khan Ink? Khan, Inc. is basically  your typical conservative media, you know, very. typical Republican, not any sort of nationalist,  you know, the type of legal immigration good, illegal bad, you know, right? Uh, and it's it's  it got tiring and I was like, I don't want to just.

accept what's given to me like right in front of  me. I want to actually think for myself. And so, did you feel just to press on a little bit,  did you feel that the news outlets that were. created for you, you were never liberal, I guess?  Never. No. Okay. Thank God. I wasn't either. Um, but you felt that the news outlets that were like  there to serve you were actually maybe not serving. you and instead misleading. No, of course not. And  I absolutely hate the media. I just do. I I just. they are to me the worst people in the world.  They are vultures and blood sucking leeches.

who care nothing about the country. They thrive  off the destruction of the United States. They. have no loyalty to a country, to an ideology, to a  people, only their money and the ratings. And the. way that they get that is through sewing division  and chaos because that's how they know people. watch them more. That's how they get more money.  And so it's very similar to the way the greedy. anti-American corporations are in that they don't  care about American values, American identity,

American sovereignty, American workers, American  people, and therefore we shouldn't care about. them. So I and some I assume are good people to  to quote our president. Okay. I'm glad I asked. you that question. Um No, I hate him. I really do.  And it's Can I just say amen loud enough? Yeah, of course. Amen. Amen. Wow. How did you figure  that out? I don't know. You know, it's it's funny.

Everyone in my generation who's a conservative  started out with the the Ben Shapiro owns SJW. uh compilation videos on YouTube. That's what  brought it in. It was not even like the values. or the the talking points actually, which makes  sense why we're leaving it kind of because it was. never the values. It was just funny. It was just  rage bait. You know, that's what drew us in. And. now that we were like, hey, wait a minute. Why  is it that we can't talk about this thing or why. is it that we're not allowed to criticize this?  That's when people started to feel like maybe.

this isn't allowing us to see the entire picture  and maybe the point of it was to mislead rather. than illuminate. Right. Exactly. How old were  you when you figured that? I was like 50. So, how old were you? Uh, junior year of high school.  What is that? turned 17 I think really. So that. was but I of course I never told anybody my views  and now it's very known that I have different. views than my mom which is also very funny because  it's like whenever anybody like says that they're.

like I can't believe that you have different  views. I say do you have different views than. your mom? And they'll be like yeah of course why  would I be any different? I want to say out loud. because it's this has been a present factor in my  life recently. I think it's totally immoral to use. a child to attack a parent. Absolutely. I don't  think there's really anything lower than that. And uh I would probably die before I did that.  So I just want to be very clear with you. Never. do that. And of course I don't think it's weird  that you have different views from a parent. Like.

that's just not weird. Yeah. It's pretty normal.  And that's actually one of the things I respect. most about you is how loyal and defensive you are  of your family. Because I mean that's like when. you saw that thing about the event, I was like  I can't believe he said that. And the whole time. I was thinking good for him that he did that at  that event. Like I was just like I would do the. same thing. That's a very normal human reaction  to someone attacking your family. Attack my dad. and push you out. Yeah. Well, that's your duty as  a son by the way. Absolutely. Yes. I believe that. Um so I just I just want to be clear with that.  Uh so so you start to have these realizations.

that maybe this is like kind of fake or maybe it's  totally fake. Who do you talk to about this? Uh. no one. because the last thing you want to do is  tell people people that you're uh not accepting. what they're accepting and what they're believing.  So, I kind of I've always been the type to just. research things. I when I see a certain topic  that I'm interested in, I just want to learn more. about it. And so, that's what I did was taking  various different sources and just trying to put. it together. And just when you when you realize  you're not allowed to talk about something in.

particular, it opens up very like more questions  than answers, right? and and and sometimes I still. feel like I have more questions than answers. Oh,  I definitely do. So, that I never told anybody, but it was something that I noticed over time  that I'm not the only one. Yes. Everyone else. is noticing this and everyone else is heading  towards the same direction, which is nationalist. America first. And that's the direction I hope it  will be. Well, it it's kind of once you start to. think about it, it it's the obvious conclusion.  What's the purpose of a government? I mean, you.

can like America or not like America, whatever,  but if you're running America, right, you have an. obligation to Americans. Absolutely. It's a crazy  concept, right? But it's just like what would the. other formula be? Exactly. Like what are we doing?  Yeah. But that's exactly how it's been. It's just. it makes no sense to me why we have special status  for certain other countries, why we have special. status for certain corporations, certain groups.  It's like, why? We have people struggling here. We have people below the poverty line. We have bad  schools. You have people going into debt because,

you know, they broke a bone. You know, like  this stuff is ridiculous. So, we have to call. it out. And America first, I think, is mistakenly  always associated with soul uh social and cultural. issues, right? But it's also a massive economic  issue as well. Totally agree. And no one talks. enough about that cuz they don't want to talk  about that. Of course, you should just scream. about Hitler. Oh, yeah. What does that have to  do with anything? He's been dead 80 years. Label. you something. And the labeling is so ridiculous  and it drives me crazy because I've been called.

everything fascist, socialist, woke. Yeah. Yeah.  Radical. And that's the one that really gets me. the most. This is a radical thing. I can be called  like fascist. So who cares, right? Those are just. everyone uses that now. So it's nothing special.  But the radical that bothered me because I'm like. all I have done and the only time I've gotten  attention was cuz I advocated for American jobs, American affordability, American safety, American  culture. It's like that's not radical. That's. rational. There's nothing wrong with that. No,  but it's it's ridiculous. Least revolutionary.

platform ever devised. Yeah. And the labeling is  so dangerous, too. Just calling someone a Nazi is. basically the same thing as calling for their  death at this point. and we've just based off. of the political violence and the direction we're  heading. I don't really see a difference between. the two. I agree with that. Yeah. As someone  who's been called it quite a bit. Um so was. it Ben Shapiro that you were watching at first?  Ben Shapiro. Um a lot of Daily Wire. Uh Steven.

Crowder. Uh but other than that, I think I was  never I like I never sat down and watched Fox, right? cuz no one in my generation ever sat down  and watch TV. So, it was always YouTube videos and. stuff online and just, you know, memes basically.  And now we're we we've kind of evolved and like. now I'm on X. I was never on X. Uh my life was  probably better before I was on X probably. So, but that's that's it's definitely something that  I transitioned into. And I don't really watch.

the people I used to. No. Yeah. No, I don't watch  too many people at all actually. I but just lost. touch with them. I felt like I couldn't relate  anymore. So, what did you said at the outset. that you noticed that there were things that were  never addressed and that you were not supposed to. address. What were those things? Uh, I would say  a big part of that is the economic issues that we. see. So, the goal of every generation, right, is  to leave it better than you found it. And right. now, we're not just not doing that. We're going in  the opposite direction. It's getting worse. And I.

noticed that, you know, you used to have like a  choice. You either for free market neoliberalism. or you're a mom donnie style socialist, right? And  it's like, no, capitalism is actually a very broad. thing, right? So, I was upset because we're not  allowed to criticize corporations who are clearly. not putting American workers first or the country  first. And the Republican party historically has.

been like, you can't criticize that. you can't  criticize the free markets and I don't even. like to call it free markets, more like lawless  markets actually. Um, and that's actually the same. structure that destroyed industrial America. All  of those factory worker jobs that were in Ohio, in Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin, Illinois,  Pennsylvania, that all got sent over to China and. other foreign countries. And we're not allowed to  criticize that. Of course, I'm going to criticize.

that. You're putting American workers last,  of course. And we're we're putting the elites. first and that's not right. We're putting a small  number of people ahead of the majority and I don't. agree with that. Well, how could anyone agree with  that? Uh because they have their own interest and. certain things drive that interest like money and  that's what we see from the media. That's what we. see from corporations and that's what they do  because they don't want to lose track of that. It seems like one of the main control devices  employed by the by Khan Inc. because you called.

the institutional conservatives who were not  conservative in any sense but whatever was to just. call you a socialist. If you talked about Israel,  you're an anti-semit. If you talked about the like. collapsing, inverting American economy where a  tiny group got everything, you were a socialist. It's ridiculous. But did you feel that that I was  a socialist? No. But did you feel that that some. of those gatekeepers were using that term to  keep you from 100%. That's and they still do. that and it's it's never going to go away because  anything that's a threat to like I said just like.

the media any corporate money or anything that  you know they don't make their quarterly goal. or their profit then yeah they're going to call  anyone a socialist because just being against them. they want to label you because it scares people.  The word socialist scares people and it's not a. good thing. I don't like socialism, right? But  they use it in the wrong way because they want. to label someone to say, "Hey, don't talk about  that. He's this. He's that. he's a socialist and. it it's used to kind of delegitimize you. But I  think when you look at the Republican party now.

is now becoming more of the party of the working  class and my generation is kind of uh responsible. for that. I think it was Newsweek that reported  something that in the 90s or 80s something like. that they did a survey which said which party  is the party of the working class like 90% said. Democrats. It was unanimous, right? Like everyone  knew the Democrat party meant working people. Oh, I was there. That's correct. And now they asked  that again this year and 51% said Democrats and.

49% said Republicans. Why would we not embrace  that group of people, those hardworking people? We wouldn't have a country without them, of  course. So, I hope to see that. And I think. my generation is starting to lean that way. And  it's important that we put American workers first. debt. I keep char the last conversation I had  on camera with Charlie Kirk was about the debt. that young people are incurring. Not just their  student loans, which are I think the biggest,

but their credit cards, their, you know, buy now  pay later scams. How big a factor is that in your. generation? The reaction to the economic issues  that my generation sees ahead of them is despair, hopelessness. They don't see any way out.  I mean, and why would they? because we just. passed I think it was $ 38.2 trillion in debt  recently. So, and that's that's all mainly and. the biggest thing the biggest thing that scares my  generation is the housing crisis by far. By far.

The average first-time home buyer in America is  40 years old now. 40. 5 years ago it was 33. So, it's scary how quick we're I mean I personally  I don't see how I'm ever going to buy a home. and I do decently well for someone my age. Um,  and I still don't see it. I live in Fort Mill, South Carolina. It's just south of Charlotte. And  I got so angry because about a month or two ago,

I was like, "Let me look at housing prices. Let  me see what they are." And I saw how expensive. they were. And then I looked and saw how much they  were just a few years ago. Yeah. And it's doubled, almost tripled the cost. And that's everywhere in  South Carolina, not just there. And it's beyond. frustrating that people of the past generations  are not doing what parents should do, which is.

have your kids have a greater life than you did.  That's the goal. So, it's hopelessness really. How much debt does like your friends have? I won't  ask you about yourself, but I mean, do people have. student loans, credit cards? Is that a I mean,  everyone's probably scared to talk about it, so I wouldn't know, but I would imagine, you know,  just from school alone, um, tens of thousands, maybe some even six. What? We live in a country  where people are like totally happy to tell you.

about their sex lives, whatever weird thought  they've had. you know, they're just it's an. exhibitionist culture, but not on the question of  debt and money. Why is that? You say people are. embarrassed to say they're in hawk to City Bank  for their credit card. Why is that embarrassing? But you know what? Now it's it it's actually  I've noticed it is actually becoming a little. less where people are more vocal about it because  it's just so normal. Everyone has it and no one. really sees a way out. So it's like what's there  to hide? So I think that that's becoming less.

taboo to talk about. I hope so. And I think it's a  great thing because the previous generation either. they're not sure of the problems we're facing or  they're ignoring it. And to be honest, I don't. know which one's worse. So, and there's also this  kind of residual feeling that an indebted person. is solely responsible for his debt. Yeah. Whereas  we don't feel that way about say drug addiction, right? It's the addict's fault. So, it's also the  dealer's fault. And actually, the dealer gets a. worse punishment. I don't understand that. I think  that is an idea that's been pushed by Conning.

pretty hard. Yeah. And I think just based off of  our system now, I think we've seen that that's. not the case. If you want and now it's getting  to a point where it's like like you have to have. a degree for everything now. Like even you want  to work at McDonald's, you have to get a degree. You want to, you know, have this retail job, get a  degree. Like everything's a degree when it doesn't. need to be a degree. And so that's when we're  seeing like so many people going into debt when.

they don't even need to go to college. And that's  how it was for my uh parents, my friend's parents, everybody else. You didn't even you got a job  straight out of high school. Not even college. You got you got it out of high school. Yeah. And  now it's just become so saturated that it's just. you need a degree in something ridiculous for  something that doesn't require it. It's pushing. people into debt when they don't need to be. Do  people in your generation think that that's an. accident or like how did we get here? This was  not the case. I think they're all confused. I.

think they have no idea what to make of it because  we didn't make it. It's not our fault. We didn't. do anything. It was a previous generation. They  should answer. So, I think we're all just like, "What just happened? How come it's harder for us?"  And they have no idea and they shouldn't have any. idea because they're not doing anything wrong.  They're getting educated. For the most part, they're hard workers. Not, you know, we  have some issues with Jenz with work ethic, but when they want to work, they will work and  they're good at it. There's only two kinds of Gen. Z employees. We were just laughing about this last  week. My college roommate and I. They're either.

like just total pthead losers or they're like  the most impressive kids. No in between. Is that. That's not our imagination. Oh, no. That's That's  very accurate. No. What is that? I don't know. I. don't have no idea. I can honestly say some of the  smartest people I've ever met are in For real. I'm. not That's not false flattery in your generation.  Like totally aware of everything. And then, you know, then the then there's the face tattoo  people, but like why I couldn't even speculate. It actually does make no sense at all. But  that's it's very interesting to think about.

cuz I've noticed that as well. Yeah. It's it does  give you hope because there are a lot of kids who. know what's up. Yeah. Uh especially with these  issues cuz you know those pad kids, you know, they. probably don't know what's going on. They wouldn't  notice that something's wrong at all. Right. But now we have kids that are waking up. They're  noticing that there's a problem and they're saying. we have to speak up. We have to fix this. So ah  interesting. What's the what's the prevailing view. of like war, foreign policy? Oh gosh, we hate war.  We really despise it. Um George Bush was probably.

the worst president in modern America by far.  When you look at the amount of debt, like when we. talked about the 38.2 two trillion. I mean, think  about how much of that was Iraq, Afghanistan, all of that. Yes. And we don't have anything  to show for it really. I mean, Iraq is now a. uh basically a satellite state of Iran. You know,  there was a deterrent to one of America's enemies. and now it's just a puppet state. And uh you have  Afghanistan, which you know, understand attacking.

al-Qaeda. You know, they they attacked us. Sure.  But the idea that you want to turn a stone age. society to a progressive liberal democracy is  one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. Ever. Yeah. And so we can't rationalize why we  ever why that ever happened? And even even people. in your generation, they're like, "What were we  thinking? Why did we do that?" Like I've spoken. to so many people who are conservative and they're  like, "I don't understand why we ever did that.".

And uh yeah, the war is just not not something we  like. I don't think anyone likes it. And the real. tragedy of war was not the debt. It's actually  just the innocent American lives that were lost. Yes. That's the real tragedy. I agree. And all the  other stuff is secondary. But it still has lasting. effects on us. So when you hear people agitating  for like another regime change war in whatever. country, what do you think? I'm angry and I'm  frustrated. as someone who's the son of, you know,

my dad's in the military. Yes. That makes me angry  because I don't want him to go and fight in a war, that will just be another waste of money and a  failure. Um, so there's a personal element to it, but also it's just stupid. You know, how many  times are we going to do this before we learn it. doesn't work, right? So, there's so many elements  to it. Personal, financial, makes no sense. And. it's just logistically absolutely stupid. It is  stupid. And it makes me angry that people were. even advocating for something like that. And uh I  don't think they're advocating it just to advocate.

for it. I think there's interest groups that are  pushing them to advocate for that. Clearly there. are. We've learned a lot about that recently.  Um so that's one of the topics that nobody ever. including me and zero desire to talk about it.  The Israel question. Um and most famous for Yeah. And there's no upside in that. And and I just  the question no one wants to ask. I never felt. it was as central as it turned out to be. I guess  that's I just didn't understand it very well. But.

um but Fuentes is famous for, you know, saying  naughty things, but also saying like, you know, pretty pretty straightforward critique of the  control that Israel has over the United States. Is that view widely shared, do you think? Uh  well, I don't know too much. I mean, I've Let's. take Fuentes out of it. Yeah. I keep reading that  young people's views of Israel are increasingly. skeptical, if not hostile. Do you think that's  true? Absolutely. Yeah. And I don't think it's. anything we've done. I think it's all reliant on  Israel. That's on them actually, not on us. And.

the reality is they're just another country. I've  never bought into like their super evil, you know, like all they're just another country. Who cares,  right? And if they want a better relationship with. the United States, they need to stop interfering  in our politics. It's really simple. Yes. And it's. not just Israel. I mean, we need to ban foreign  aid. We need to stop sinning. We should not have. a single dime going to another country when  we have people in poverty with bad schools,

medical debt, all that stuff. It makes no sense.  That's part of America first. We also should ban. foreign lobbying. It's irresponsible. Why would we  have the interest of another country put as policy. for our country? Yes. It's our leaders should  be making decisions on the interest of American. people, not someone in Burundi or something.  Who cares? Exactly. So those are two things. that I think if we cut out the aid, cut out the  lobbying, I think it'll stop a lot of influence, not just from Israel, but from every country.  Exactly. Because it's not just Israel, it is a lot.

of other countries that do that. And it's just as  much a problem. And just as egregious a violation. of the most basic principle of government,  which is serve your people first. Absolutely. Y. um do you feel people are less afraid to say that  now? Oh yeah, for sure. Um, and I just remember. like growing up when I was in that 2016 era of  conservative politics, Israel was untouchable.

Like you could not say anything about it. No, I  remember. And in some ways it's like still kind of. that way. But it's like it's it's just weird. It's  weird the obsession, you know, whether I'm not one. to like the obsession whether it's good or bad.  It's just weird that people are obsessed with it. the way it is. And I just don't agree with either  one. I agree. You know, I completely agree. Waste. of time for the country. Yeah, it really is. Wake  up thinking about Israel every day. It's not good. in either direction, right? Yeah. Let's focus on  America. How about that? Amen. So, how what um are.

your views on immigration and what views do you  think best describe the people you know? So 2016, Trump brought a spotlight on illegal immigration  and that was really desperately needed because. we had seen it but no one really said the obvious.  Now we need to do the same with legal immigration. We need to state the obvious. Massigration is a  problem. Yes. And it's funny when I've started.

speaking out against that, the amount of legal  immigrants in this country, the amount of children. of immigrants in this country who have come up to  me and say, "Thank you for speaking about that is. shocking in some ways, but it's also not shocking  because it's directly impacting them." Of course. How ironic is it that someone leaves their country  in search of the American dream to give their kids. a better life only for their kids to grow up and  have the job that they want being sent back to.

the country that they came from? Like, how are  that's ridiculous. No. And it's it's so perfect. though in a way. Yes. Yeah. It's I mean, you can't  make that up. And and I I do see like a lot of. um there are some on the other hand who are legal  immigrants, who are children of immigrants who. were saying that's hypocritical of me, you know,  no one should well because of uh my grandparents. who immigrated here which is back in 1969. And  my my response is always like it's not 1969. We.

have a very different country. We have a very  different set of circumstances. Then therefore. it's then rational. So your grandparents did  something 56 years ago. Now I have to do the same. thing and believe the same thing they did, which  I know damn well they don't because if they did, they wouldn't have the progressive views that they  have because no grandparents had that progressive. views. Yeah. But they want to put it on me because  they're mad that someone with my identity has the. views that I have and they want they want to Oh,  because you're part Indian or something. Yeah.

They think that I owe them my loyalty because  of some decision my grandparents made, which. is stupid because all I've known is America. All  I know is American culture. I love the South. I. love Southern culture. I only speak English. I'm a  Christian. Why would why would I why would I care. about anything else? Exactly. And so you have the  legal immigrants and the children of immigrants. who are upset at me and who've called me racist,  all sorts of things. And it's racist. Yeah. Racist.

for for saying u we don't need more people here.  But it's ridiculous. But the reality is that when. those people who are calling me racist lose their  job, they need to remember that it was the people. that they called racist that were actually trying  to save their job from being taken by a foreigner. Yes. Exactly. And so I I eventually they may  understand that, but it's it's shocking really how. we're allowing this to happen. How widespread is  that view, do you think, among people, you know?

I would say it's um it's actually I would say  kind of split. I don't think it's as noticeable. as like the economic issues where everyone seems  to see it because they feel it. But there you know. we have a big country, right? There are some parts  of America where you don't see too much migration. Like what is everyone talking about? There's no  migration. But that's that's just not the case. And and really I think it's irresponsible to have  legal immigration at a time when companies aren't.

hiring Americans specifically. Uh we're we're in a  fragile economy and you have AI taking over a lot. of jobs. So why would it make sense to import more  foreign workers? It doesn't. And that's just one. aspect of it is the economic issue. The cultural  and assimilation issue is a whole another aspect. And I think it was so immigrations historically  have basically been expected to assimilate. And.

then around the Obama years was when you started  to see a shift of like, no, you don't need to. change. You can be who you are. No, you need  to assimilate. You have to. Cuz without it, we. lose our identity as a country. Why would we have  people in here who don't see themselves as one of. us, right? And you have that's how you end up with  places like Minneapolis with Little Somalia. These. people isolate themselves and don't integrate. You  have parts of Miami where people literally don't. speak English at all, which is insane because if I  was to move to another country and I was thinking,

where could I go to get a better opportunity?  Oh, I know. Somewhere where I don't speak the. freaking language. Genius, right? But it's it's  just unbelievable. And there's so many different. aspects to immigration that it's not just the  migration part of it, but a lot of other things. that are just out of control. Like what? So  naturalized citizens should not be able to. hold public office. Growing up here is a big part  of understanding the country. We need to stop and.

limit the amount of foreign students that are  coming into our universities. Some of them are. spies, by the way, for foreign governments. But  it's also just we should put our kids first. Yes. And we should also not allow dual citizenship  because that's the stupidest idea. You're either. American or you're not. And everyone wants to make  it so complicated. That's the thing that I don't. like about the past generation is they're always  about the rules, the process, and regulation. No,

it's really simple. You're just America first.  People should have their loyalty to America. first. And if they can't do that, then this ain't  the country for you. That's totally right. What. about serving in a foreign military? Oh gosh, no.  Forget about it. You can't do that. Of course not, right? It's ridiculous. The that that  idea alone is just insane. Yeah. Dual. citizenship is already bad enough, but to serve  in another country's military is disqualifying, really. Of course. I mean, it's hard to believe  it's even a conversation. What about language? Do.

you worry that, you know, countries are united by  their language, and language is inseparable from. culture? language is culture in a lot of ways, but  this doesn't seem like an English-sp speakaking. country anymore. Yeah. Especially when you go  to places like Minneapolis, Miami, New York, uh which I lived there for a little bit. And  yeah, I want to be able to understand everybody. I just do. It's my country. I don't think I should  have to speak another language in my own country.

I don't think anyone wants that. I don't think  it's good for us. Not saying that you can't know. another language. I think that's great to know  another language. But to have anything other than. English as a primary language in this country, not  acceptable. You're not describing the priorities. of the modern Republican party at all here. No,  but hopefully one day it will be. That's what. I hope will happen. So my sense, but you would  know is that what everything you just said for.

the past half an hour is like basically what most  young men your age think who are conservative. Who are conservative? Absolutely. Yes. Who are  conservative. So do they look at the Republican. party as representing them? No, not at all. And  that's the struggle that we face. And that's why. that's where the anger comes from is that we're  looking at our politicians and we don't see any. of us. Right. When you have a politician, you  want them to kind of be a reflection of you in.

a lot of ways. Yes. And we don't have that at all.  And you have Democrats who have kind of listened. to young people on their side. So when they're not  listening to us on the Republican side, yeah, it's. pretty frustrating. You have Democrats who have  the first Gen Z member of Congress. They have the. AOC, they have the Immi, they have all these young  youthful figures who are doing pretty well making. media, you know, advocating for their causes. But  who do we have? You know, it's it's frustrating. that we can't look to someone and say, "That's our  guy. He speaks for us." What is that? I couldn't.

agree more. They must just be anti- young people.  I don't know. or they just don't want to face the. problems that we're putting forth, which is the  issues on the economy, the issues on immigration, because they'd rather just call us radical. It's a  lot easier. I wonder if that makes people radical. over time. Oh, for sure. For sure it makes people  radical because they get so angry. Yeah. And when. people are angry and they feel like they  have no one speaking for them, then yeah,

of course they're going to get angry because we  deserve representation. That's the whole point. of right this democracy, our system, is that you  should be able to have someone who represents you. And we don't have that. And not just don't have  that. It'd be one thing if we didn't have someone. who we felt we could relate to. That's fine.  That's normal. You can't relate to everybody. Yeah. But someone who's actively ignoring the  problems that we're saying these are massive. problems. Yeah. It's frustrating. What's going on  with the way that men and women get along? That's.

a very interesting question. That's something  I've said for years is that and literally years. I've been saying the future of division in this  country is not all these other things like race. or income. I mean some there those may be some  issues but the massive division in this country. in the future is going to be between gender  men and women. That's especially problematic. because in order for a society to function  men need women need men. Amen. So the fact.

that that's the upcoming divide is very scary. And  do you feel that divide? I would say uh I in some. ways I think it's a little exaggerated. There are  women who are traditional, but for the most part, men are more traditional in my generation. And I  think uh they're going in different directions, but they're going in different directions for a  lot of the same reasons, which is empowerment.

women see themselves as going the more progressive  lane that it's empowering to wear revealing. clothes or you know do whatever you want and be  promiscuous and which is actually the male gaze of. someone who just wants to view them as an object  and not care about who they are as a person which. is how is that empowering I don't think a body  count of 20 is that empowering exactly I'm just. guessing it's it's ridiculous that that's seen as  feminist though but the reason why I think that is. because on the other hand you have men and this is  Not a majority of traditional men, but there's a.

very small minority where they feel insecure  and powerless. They think that them having a. traditional mindset where they're the leader,  y they're the provider, they're the protector, and they think because of that, my role is better  than that of a woman. Right? What that does, that's wrong first of all, but what that does is  that it gives ammo to the feminists who are like, "Look, see, see women what we've been trying to  tell you that they think they're better than you. you have to go our way. When in reality, it's  that's not what tradition is at all. It's yes,

men are the leader, provider, protector,  all of that. But without the woman, it just doesn't work. The family structure.  Well, you said it at the outset. Men and women. need each other. That's just the bottom. That's  the biological fact. It's the emotional reality. It's the spiritual reality. It doesn't work for  a man for a man in a family to not have a woman. Doesn't work for a woman to not have a man. And  it's actually In a way, it's the whole point is.

that it brings their best characteristics together  to build something amazing. They complement each. other with their traits. They rely on each other.  And what the result of that is is just a beautiful. family. It works. It studies have shown. How do  you know all this? Well, because studies have. shown actually that people in these traditional  marriages where they pray together, they have less. divorce. They're more happy. On the opposite, you  have women who are going the progressive route.

They're miserable. And studies have shown that  as well, where they just they're struggling and. they only realize that later in life, struggling  to find a person, find a man, to have children, and they become miserable. So, it works. But the  the beauty of it is that it's not it's not the. view that a man is better than a woman. It's that  they have different traits. They combine them to. make something beautiful. It's partnership. And  I think if that was explained to more progressive.

women and on the left and they would see it's  not about being men being better at all. It's. dominating you or humiliating you. No, it's about  helping each other. Exactly. Right. God created. Eve as a helper. They help each other. Right. Then  that is a fair description in my opinion. So like. how hard is it to date at 24 for young men? Not  you, but uh I mean young men it's not hard, but. if you're a Christian, yeah, it's very hard. It's  why? Well, because it's hard to find someone who.

prioritizes that in their life. And I'm not saying  that's specific to our generation. That's every. generation. Hasn't really been that easy. Yeah. Um  but that's just something that is very difficult. and it's unfortunate because that's what makes  the most successful relationships. That's what, you know, makes happier children, more successful  children. And it's it's a really beautiful thing. and the fact that people are rejecting that  is very very sad. It is really sad. Yeah. The.

I also get the sense that there's a increase in  religious faith among young men. 100%. Yeah. Which. is I mean that came out of nowhere really like no  one expected that and you know good right like God. willing that'll spread everywhere and we'll be  like that everywhere. When did you first notice. that? I mean, you grew up in the south. You grew  up in a nominally Christian culture because it's. the South, right? Right. But but people but people  talking to each other, young people about God,

mentioning God. When did that happen? So,  there's always been like cultural Christianity, right? But there's a difference between what we're  seeing now, which is actual lived faith in Christ, and we're seeing that in church attendance is  going up among young men. Um really I don't. know what brought it about. The only thing I could  attribute it to is probably the Holy Spirit. Yep. And I don't know why it's happening now, but I  hope it grows and I hope it continues to flourish.

because it's something our society desperately  desperately needs. What was your path? This is. u so I grew up with um kind of two religions  in my household. So I had my parents who were. Protestant and my grandparents have always lived  with me growing up. My mom's parents. Yes. And. they were Sik. As a result, I was very confused.  Yeah. Because that's what happens. Um and I just.

remember that as young as like third grade when my  friends would check out their books on dinosaurs. and cars and all that stuff. I was reading  on every single world religion and trying to. absorb as much as I can because I wanted to know  if God exists and if he does who is he right so. that's what I spent doing for years and I would  say reading about world religions instead of. dinosaurs yes I was obsessed with it unusual child  I was yeah yeah to put it that way um but and then.

I would say like around like seventh grade. So  like this is a few years of just researching this. stuff obsessively. I and I was reluctant to speak  about this publicly but I figured if it blesses. just one person then I'll say it here. Um, I had  an experience where I was researching and it was.

as if in an instant I heard I am the way, the  truth and the life and as if the knowledge, the. truth of God was placed instantly after that was  said in my mind and in my heart. And it's funny, after all these years, I've struggled to really  put into words that experience and that feeling. But once that happened, I had always heard about  the Holy Spirit, right? Everyone hears about it.

But when when that happened, I was like, "Oh,  that's what that is, right?" Like, cuz it was just. some mythical thing, of course, that I had read  about. But then it happened and I was just like, "This is really interesting." But and it'd be one  thing to just write off as, "Oh, that's just some. weird thing, weird experience, but it never left  me." And the most interesting part and the part. that I kind of like the most is it was none of  my research on these world religions that got me.

to that answer. Not at all. It was in an in I was  very much a skeptic of Christianity prior to that. the second before that happened. It was an instant  realization that was not of any of my own work. And what made it so beautiful is that not long  after that, I was reading the gospel and I found. where Jesus said to Peter, then Simon, blessed are  you, Simon, uh, for flesh and blood did not reveal.

this to you, but my father in heaven. I was like,  that's what that was. And then I also read where. he said, "Knock and the door will be open to you.  Seek and you'll find." And it's just a beautiful. thing when you realize that God is true to his  word every single time. And it has never left. me. Amazing. Yeah. You became Catholic. Yeah.  That's another thing. So there's another layer.

to it. There's wait there's more. Yeah. Um so when  I was I was Protestant and when I was Protestant. uh obviously God is all you need but I did feel  some unexplained void in my faith. I didn't know. what it was at the time. And I went to Villanova,  which is a Catholic institution. And it's so.

ironic because my first time ever going to a  Catholic mass was the summer after I graduated. from Villanova. So never went to mass when I  was at Villain. I've never been to mass before, but it was after I graduated from Villanova that I  went to mass for the first time. It's God doesn't. write in straight lines, I guess, but no. Um, and  I began to really think about my own faith. And I. was like, I have this void that I can't explain.  How can I be the best Christian I could be? How.

could I best serve God and serve others? That was  the question that made me think about it. And I'm. again, I began to research, but really it wasn't  about the research. It was that question like, where can I be at my best? Where can I serve  God and serve others? And when I did study. Catholicism and I read the early church fathers  and the history and um all that stuff, I felt,

you know what, this may be for me. And then  when I started to partake in the sacraments, the Eucharist, confession, that's when I was like,  oh, that's that void. That's when I felt like, okay, I feel fulfilled now. And now it's to the  point where like if I can't go to mass on Sunday, I feel empty. if I don't go to confession, I  feel like heavy weight on my shoulders. Yes. And that's where I was like, this feels like not  just speaking about faith, not just having it,

but living it. Not just a feeling, but action.  And that's when when that happened, I was like, this is home. And has it proven to be what  you thought? Absolutely. More than that. It's the best decision I've ever made in  my life. Second to becoming Christian in. the first place. Although that wasn't really a  decision, but kind of happened to me. But yeah, I I feel like this is which is not to detract from  your individual experience, but it does seem like. part of a a trend. I feel like this is not the  first time I've heard the story recently. Yeah.

And I think when you speak about men becoming more  religious, um it's more the traditional churches, right? Catholicism, orthodoxy. And I think it's  because in our society, we're so fed up with. modernity and the phones and the technology. And  yes, really, it's just not natural. None of it's. natural. None of our ancestors had that stuff.  So, we're feeling that. And we're longing for. something that's lasting, something that's, you  know, feels normal to us. And that's what this. is. Now, I'm not saying, and there are people who  do this, but I'm not saying that you should join.

a church just because it's based and trad. No,  you should do it because you actually believe. in truth and you want to live out that faith and  serve others. But that is what's pulling a lot of. people more towards that lane and it's a very good  thing because we have too much technology. We have. too much modernity and it's kind of repulsive to  to put it mildly. Yeah. Yeah. I'm trying not to. jump all over your great story by agreeing with  you too much, but I do I just want to say that.

Um sorry every freaking word. Yeah. Um, who do you  listen to? Where do you get your information? So, just like everyone in my generation, uh, it's  social media. Y, which is not ideal. I don't want. to get it from there, but it's also like what am  I going to do? Like read the newspaper, go on some. article, like I don't want to do that either.  No. So, um, it's difficult to find somewhere. If I am super interested in one specific news  article or topic, then I will like search various.

sources, try and see what's happening and all  that, but for me and for most of my generation, it's social media. Are there any political  figures that you like or identify with or think. are telling part of the truth or uh I appreciate  you. Well, I'm not a political figure. I'm not a. political figure. Well, I mean I again I don't  feel represented by anybody. Yep. And in terms. of political commentators, I don't watch them  either, you know, like it's I don't either. It's not my idea of a good time is to watch  political commentators. Any politicians? No,

really. That's funny that you feel that way. Um,  you know, I think JD says a lot of good stuff. Yep. But I I think there's also just a lot of  unknowns. And I think once this primary comes. up that we'll learn more and that's where the  primaries, it teaches you about them, who they. are, what they really believe. And that's the real  campaign. Exactly. And so when that happens, I. think we'll learn a lot more and we'll be able to  make better decisions. But my hope is that we'll.

see someone who resonates with my generation. And  what's your plan? Would you get into politics? That's like my mom's worst nightmare for me to  do that. Not cuz she's not supportive, but just. like it's like, you know, she's seen how toxic and  exhausting it is. So, it's like it's a rough Yeah. life. It's Yeah, it really is. And so, um No,  what I what I would rather have is is people um. do their job, right? Not wait for problems to come  to them, but really get on top of them, you know,

not be so reactionary. I would rather that. Um,  but if no one does that, then I don't know, maybe. um, no one speaks up, no one's saying the things  they need to, then, you know, that's not something. I'm thinking about right now. But someone has to  do it. And so I would rather the people right now. in office and our leaders, so-called leaders, do  it now. But, um, yeah, someone's going to have. to do it because we can't just keep ignoring  these problems. I appreciate you taking this.

time. Thank you. You've given me hope. I will say  that. I mean it too. So, thank you. Thank you.