Tyler Oliveira: Exposing Somali Welfare Abuse, Republican Hypocrisy & the Group You Can’t Criticize

Thank you for doing this. Thanks for having  me. I was looking through your YouTube numbers, which I don't normally ever do that with anybody,  but um you're huge. I didn't realize how big you. were. I'm You're flattering me. Yeah. Well,  it's real. Well, you're a lot bigger than me, I'll tell you that. So, um a lot bigger. So, uh  I'm amazed and impressed. So, before we get into. how you I think kind of accidentally stepped  into this controversy. Yeah. Where where are.

you from? How did you start doing this? I'm from  Modesto, California. Um I started doing this. You. say that with such a verve and relish. Yeah. Um  meth meth autotheft and what? Meth and farming. Uh Ammons. Um a small agricultural town in the  central valley. For people who are not familiar. with uh California egg, what's an ammon? Uh I  think it's an almond that has yet to fall from. the tree. I actually couldn't be bothered. I'm  not fully certain. It's a It's an LS almond. Um,

so you're from Modesto. Shake the hell out of it.  Whatever the hell it is, right? I'm from Modesto, California. I went to college for 3 months,  dropped out. I was doing YouTube full-time. Sort of uh accidentally walked into the field  of investigative. How many kids in your class at. UCLA were doing YouTube quote full-time? Was that  like a Okay. Not that I'm aware of. That was not. a major. No. No. That was not a trendy thing to  How did you decide to do that? Um, I don't know.

I just didn't want to go to college. I wanted to  get out of there at any cost. God bless you. So, I was charging those Lime scooters and then  filming videos and then I just dropped out um and. left forever. How long did it take you to support  yourself or feel like you were had a real job. doing this? I think about a month into it. I had  enough money to subsist. Yeah. Oh, immediately. Yeah, pretty immediately. Amazing. Doing what  kind of videos? Uh, goofy stuff, Tucker. Um, all sorts of stuff. I sold Big Chungus to GameStop  and here I am in front of Tucker Carlson. So,

you do anything you regret? Uh, no. Good. No. So,  you don't I was young. I needed the money. There's. nothing back. I wasn't I was shaking on a stripper  pole. That was kind of what I was asking. Um, so then how did you wind up in this variety  of you like basically doing journalism? Well, doing journalism. Yeah, we're doing a lot of  goofy stuff. Um, one day we saw what happened. in East Palestine, Ohio. I think about three and  a half years ago, maybe. Yeah, there was a train.

derailment. A bunch of toxic chemicals had leeched  into the water supply from what I remember. And. there's kind of a media blackout at the time and  I saw what happened on TikTok and I was like, what if we just brought our camera there and asked  people questions. Where were you? Um, in Austin, Texas at the time. We drove, I think, into Ohio  and it just started filming people and asking. questions and try to figure out what was going  on. And then it sort of evolved into whatever. we do now, which comprises of basically amateur  documentaries, investigative journalism. Wait,

so you just you you don't work for anyone  but you? No. No. I'm fully independent, self-funded, always have been, no investors of  any kind, just you and a couple other people. Me and four or five people behind the scenes um  putting these videos out. And you're watching. Tik Tok at your place in Austin and you see  there's a train derailment in Ohio. So you get. in the truck and just drive to Ohio. Exactly.  Yeah. I thought it'd be an interesting video. A I thought it'd be informative. And we're trying  to sort of mature what we were doing on YouTube,

make it a little more serious cuz I was  becoming what 22 years old. I was like, I don't want to do goofy nonsense for my entire  life. What if we did something actually useful? So we showed up and people really resonated with  it. It was informative and valuable and um yeah, I mean there wasn't a ton of news crew there at  the time. It was uh somewhat irrelevant uh in. the news ecosystem, but it was fascinating to me.  So we showed I remember your video. So that that. was it. No one assigned it to you. You just you  scrolling through Tik Tok and you saw just drive.

there. Yeah. Yeah. I'm I I think because I'm so  much older and have been in the formal media my. whole life, it's just amazing that that's how it  starts. Yeah. Weird, right? Well, great. Actually, I mean, this is kind of the pro. I mean, this  is what they told us the internet was going to. be. Yeah. Before it became like all porn and bots  and sports gambling, like you were going to have. citizen journalists and people would find out the  truth because you couldn't mediate it cuz it was, you know, Elon Musk sort of put a name to that to  that idea of citizen journalists for me at least.

I never even heard the term. I didn't even know  what we were doing was journalism, so to speak. But, um, I feel like that's what it was and what  it became. Uh, so when you got into the galaxy, what did you do? Like what do you do? We just  asked people what was going on, tried to gain. access into some of these areas that were closed  off, asking these federal agents what was going. on and just tried to sort of paint a picture for  what the media sort of failed to present to the. broader American audience. Love that. Yeah. No,  it was interesting. That's like the coolest thing. you could do. Yeah. So, you just see people  stay on the side of the road and say, "Hey,

can I talk to you?" Yeah. What's going on here?  But but you never got a degree in journalism from. Columbia. I don't have a degree. How much? So,  how did you know how to do that? Um because you. were doing it for sillier stuff prior to this. We  would I'm just making fun of the absurd idea. So, I'll tell you how we got it. I was driving these  vehicles um that looked like Minecraft vehicles. um across America. And we would go to gas stations  and always have these funny interviews with random.

people at gas stations. And we had this interview  with a guy who was telling us about banging his. cousin in Alabama. And I was like, what if we  took the beauty of what that that moment was. and just brought it to relevant important topics  in day-to-day life. So we did that. We took this. this gas station interview concept and sort of  brought it over to actually important topics in. our everyday life. So here we are. Yeah. You make  the video on East Palestine and it if I saw it, it took off and I was like, what if we just keep  doing more of this? Did it get a lot of views? It.

did. Yeah. How many people were very uh like 3 or  4 million views. Wow. Yeah. At 22, I think. So, yeah. Amazing. But for what it for us, it was uh  validation that this is something people um can. use and it's informative and it fills in um sort  of where the mainstream media is is not interested. in. Well, it's it's objectively validation of  that. I mean, that's exactly what it is. Yep. And it also says something good about the country  that people want to know what's happening inside. their borders. Yeah. So then you just pivoted  right then and decided to do more news. Yeah,

we we did a variety of news topics to interesting  cultural um uh communities like hard to access. communities like um like the pedophile village  in Florida. Uh we went over there and started. interviewing a bunch of pedophiles. Asked them  how they ended up there to white supremacists in. Arkansas to black supremacists in what Harlem, New  York. So just a broad range of interesting people,

places, and things. Um, from political to cultural  to just wacky stuff. What drove you? Drove me. Yeah. What was your motive? Oh, just curiosity. I  thought I was good at it. And so let's that's Go. for it. That's the right motive right there.  Yeah. So then you started doing when I first. became aware of you, um, you moved from like the  full outliers, Yeah. like the pedophile community. I've never even heard of that before. Um, and  white supremacist Arkansas Miracle Village.

It's so dark. White supremacists in Arkansas,  black supremacists in Harlem. I've interviewed. both those communities 30 years ago. So that that  everyone knows that exists, but they're they're. really so far out on the fringes of American  life. But then you start moving closer to the. actual news, like what the rest of the news is  talking about. Yeah. And you started interviewing. Somali. Yeah. So, I think December of 2025, we put  out a video on Somali in Minneapolis. Yes. Now,

keep in mind, to the local news's credit, they've  reported on various forms of fraud for for years. over there. Um, but there's something about  their inability to storytell and package those. um those narratives that it just never took off.  There's a talent gap there. Yes. And just a medium. misunderstanding, I think. But long story short,  what does that mean? They just don't know how to. use social media. They're illiterate. Um maybe by  design or incompetence. I'm not sure. But what do.

they get wrong? I think they report accurately.  In fact, many social media guys often cite their. reports. I think they just can't synthesize the  information to the actual storytelling to the. packaging and how these platforms like YouTube  work. You're figuring it out though. I see. I. have definitely not figured it out at all. But um  but I think you know the ability to tell a story. works at dinner. It works on cable television and  it works on YouTube. It's like all kind of the. same thing. Can can you synthesize? I think that's  exactly right. You just take the facts and you put.

it into an order that you think is accurate and  just truthful. You're not misrepresenting it. But. that makes sense. It's got a narrative structure  in order of importance too. Right. Exactly. Thank. you. But yeah, we've covered tons of topics from  all over the country and all over the world. But. about uh whatever in December of 2025, we did a  video on Somali in Minneapolis. A lot of it was. focused on more of a demographic shift more so  than fraud. Nick Shirley then puts out a video. I think a couple weeks later and it really bursts  into the mainstream. He covers this daycare fraud.

and this is like the biggest talking point in  the GOP. I'm sure you saw it, right? Oh yeah, I live here. Um they loved it. It's the per  it was a perfect story really. We found these, you know, these learing centers, all this stuff.  Um, this this blatant retardation, if you will, of people from Somalia who can't even spell  the word learning, whatever. It becomes part. of the mainstream conversation about these third  worlders absorbing welfare benefits, committing.

um fraud on mass, and everyone hates these  people, right? So, most people don't wake. up in the morning and decide to feel horrible,  exhausted, foggy, disconnected from themselves. But it does happen and it happens slowly. You're  working hard, you're showing up, and then your. energy disappears by midday. Your focus is dull.  Your weight won't move. A lot of people are told. that's just getting old. That's what it is. But  that's not actually true. For many men and women, these are not personal failures. They are signals  tied to your metabolism, your hormones, and.

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it in bigger terms than they did, I think. Yeah.  My focus was just you take um Minnesota, which is. land of the Vikings, right? The the Scandinavian  people and now it's becoming You're speaking to a. Carlson here. Exactly. Right. Now it's home  to Somali and I saw the Minnesota Vikings. They put out what a thank you to our Somali  community or something on Twitter the other day. So for me it was just an interesting case study of  a state in the United States of America that has.

such generous um welfare programs and is such  a generous people that inevitably it attracts. um some of the most opportunistic um parasitic if  you will population of people from a destabilized. country in Africa that come here simply because of  the benefits they'll receive upon entering. and it. became a hub for these people opportunistically  taking advantage of such generous people. Um, this is why you've become so big. Yeah,  because I Yes, thank you for saying that.

because it is bigger than Minnesota thing too  though, right? It's Minnesota. Well, Maine, which has similar demographics overwhelmingly  northern European whites who have no idea what. an idyllic place they have, who hate themselves  because they've been taught to hate themselves. And so to atone for sins they didn't commit,  import the most destructive parasitic populations. they can find. Sure. Um and then sort of revel in  the squalor because it's a kind of self-abasement. that turns them on. It's it's it's sto masochism.  Yeah. White guilt, right? 100%. And there's.

nothing more dangerous to everybody than white  guilt seemingly. Yeah. It's just interesting that. you saw it that way. Yeah, that's how I saw it.  Um because we've also done videos in Dearbornne, Michigan before that was I feel like you  see that every day now. Dearborn this, Dearborn that about the sort of Muslim invasion.  Um, we did a video in Ham Tramik, Michigan, which. was a predominantly Polish working-class town.  And um, it eventually elected a Muslim majority.

in the township council. And they voted to ban the  gay flag, which for me was comedic because they. basically invited these people in, they become  a majority, they consolidate political power, and then vote to deny them the same rights they  were afforded. So to me it was just the most or. or even more meta it's like white liberalism drew  these people in and their first act is to ban. white liberalism. Exactly. Yeah. Once they achieve  one religion supplants another. Sure. Basically we.

were we were looking for ethnic enclaves doing the  same thing as um Dearbornne Michigan or Ham Tramik. or Minneapolis. So I looked up Jewish ethnic  enclaves on Google only to find curious Joelle. Let me ask you to pause right there. That's and  thank you for explaining that. That's fascinating. Yeah. So you're you're you're basically interested  in exploring the principle that you exactly that. you des Wasn't a conversation about one you  weren't out to attack Jews or Muslims or Somalis.

or anyone else. You just want to say this is what  happens when a country's decency is leveraged. against it. Exactly. Right. Um when generosity  is exploited on mass and systematically. Right. systematic exploitation of generosity by design.  So, you still believe in principle, so you must. be a legacy American? Uh, in what respect? Well,  you must be from here if you actually believe in a. higher principle. Yeah, I'm born and raised here.  Uh, my mom's side goes way back and uh Yeah. So, may I ask what kind of response did you get to the  videos that you did on these ethnic enclaves in in.

Michigan and Minnesota? Yeah. Praise praise and  adoration, right? This is a great great talking. point. Thank you so much for bringing this up. Who  liked them? Um, who praised? Republicans. Oh, of. course. Yeah, they loved it. Um, Democrats hated  them. Liberal people hated them. Republicans, hurrah, keep going. Expose them all, you know,  find even more. Um, expose all these groups, right? So, I was like, "Okay, sure. I will. Let's  do it. Let's keep going." See? Okay. Yeah. Let's.

keep the fun going, Tucker. Because you believe  in universally applicable principles. Exactly. Not just tribal politics. Exactly. The thing above  tribal politics, which is principle, which is what. the country is founded on. Exactly. Okay. Now,  so I was like, okay, we've covered plenty of this. this Islamic ethnic enclaves across America. It  would be interesting to find a different group of. people that do this that's um extremely religious  and utilizes welfare in similar ways. So,

I found this village called Curious Shoel. Now,  Curious Shoel is a an allJewish ethnic enclave. in upstate New York. At one point they were the  poorest town in America with 40% living beneath. the poverty line. They had the highest fertility  rates in America having 7 to 10 plus kids. Um. extremely high anomalously high rates of welfare  dependency from Medicaid to SNAP EBT to section. A housing vouchers. So this is definitionally a  parasitic uh insulated Jewish community I found in.

upstate New York. So to me that was obvious. Uh, I  I had an obligation almost to go there and film a. video if I was filming videos in Dearbornne or Ham  Tramik or Minneapolis. Did you know that that was. not allowed? I suspected we would we would unveil  some hypocrisy, especially within the GOP and. uh the larger Republican tent. Really? For sure.  Come on. But you suspected it. I suspected it was.

to this degree was a little bit surprising, but at  that point it was not fully confirmed. No, not at. all. And no one had tested it yet. And I wanted to  test the line a little bit because you see so many. of these guys on Twitter cosplaying as these these  hardliner principal first guys. America first, you know, weed out all the fraud, weed out all the  welfare explo exploitation. And then when it comes. to specific groups, those principles disappear. So  for me, I was like, I know this is going to happen. to some extent. To what extent I didn't know.  Let's go there and show this. Do you think I'm.

sorry I keep pulling you off track, but I just  This is a more amazing story than I realized. Yeah. Um, and I just want to say once again,  I had no idea how big you were on YouTube. So, um, no. Well, the numbers show it. It's not my  opinion. They're many times my numbers. So, I'm. very I'm so impressed. So, I just love that you're  being rewarded for this. But do you think the fact. that you didn't go to college allows your mind to  stay a little freer, more supple, less constrained.

by lies than if you had gone? Um, yeah, maybe I'm  a little less conditioned than the average person. in my generational cohort. Um, no, I think I  mean to be fair to my my generation, Gen Z, yeah, a lot of people agree with me, Gen Z is on is on  the same boat here. Um, yeah, I believe I think. they're far more principally consistent than a lot  of our political representatives and they're all. for it. I think um, well, you know who's not? Who?  A lot of these evangelical boomers seemingly um,

Israel's a hard line and anything um, remotely  uh, indicative of Israel or related to Israel. in any capacity, including Jews apparently is off  limits. Jesus doesn't seem to be the hard line for. them at all, which is a little surprising. Well,  they'll tolerate disrespect. And I'm talking about. the leaders. I'm not talking about the people  at all, but it's some of the leaders. You know, you could say whatever you want about We've done  videos on corrupt uh Christian megaurches. We've. done videos on, you know, Pakistani Muslim  rape gangs. Um what's interesting to note.

is that most Christians watching the videos we  did about um corrupt Christian megaurches were. highly apologetic for what they viewed to be as  an aberration from true Christianity. They were. denouncing what they view as a bastardization of  Christianity. That's how I feel. Exactly. Yeah. But for what we found after putting this Jewish  video out is that there's almost like an immune. system response of acidic, you know, uh, orthodox,  secular, Jews have each other's back was what I.

took away from the backlash that followed that.  So, it's interesting. So, tell us your first of. all, what did you find? So, Kirst Joel is in New  York. outside New York City 40% below the poverty. line at least at one point highest birth rate in  the country. What's it like? What is it? Um it it. is reminiscent of a European uh a Jewish village  you might have seen preWorld War II. That's how. they describe themselves. What I saw was a ton  of Jews walking to synagogues praying and then.

walking in a hurry, I guess, to another synagogue  to pray some more and study the Talmud some more. Um, that's basically all I saw. People praying  and people living off of the teat of the welfare. system. Uh, in many ways, just to be clear, I've  got no problem with people praying or following. their religion. I support it. It's the living off  the taxpayer part that is too much. Yeah. I mean, to give them credit, obviously there is some level  of communal support. Um sometimes they'll rely.

on in-laws for some initial financial support  whatever but largely by design um their entire. lifestyle is designed to extract and exploit  these welfare systems to the maximum degree. Um it is strategic. It is not happen stance. It is  not coincidental. It is by design. You go into the. grocery store and there are endless snacks and  protein bars. Paleo Valley Superfood Bars are,

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in Israel and has been for over 20 years is that  there's a huge percentage of the population that. lives off the Israeli welfare system, does not  serve in the military, and does not add to the. economy. And if you talk to any non-religious  Jew in Israel, it's like the third sentence out. of their mouth is, "I am angry at these people for  this." So it's not just here. For sure. And a lot. of Israelis actually, they would contact me and  say, "This is an amazing video. We have the same. issue." See, maybe that's the one thing. True.  Yeah. So that's maybe the one thing. I totally.

believe that. Yeah. It was funny. Israelis were  super supportive of it. Um they're like, "This is. great. They're draining the tax system over here."  And uh apparently there's a demographic ticking. time bomb taking place over there. To your point,  right? Cuz they have similar levels of fertility. rates and don't contribute economically the same  way. Um they don't serve in the military, which in. Israel is a big deal since everybody everybody  male and female serves. So, and they've had an.

endless series of wars for 30 years. So, you could  imagine the bitterness. Yeah. The resentment your. kids are going off to risk their lives, but  your neighbors aren't. For sure. Yeah. So, speaking of resentment though, it's the same logic  and in the same vein that the average uh American. taxpayer grinding their nuts off right now feels  when they're going working a a 7 to six, right? If. you account for the commute to work and back from  work, they see where their tax dollars are being. spent and they don't feel as if the money they're  putting in they ever get to see coming back out.

to them. No, of course not. And how many ethnic  enclaves are they funding to live this totally. insulated lifestyle that doesn't benefit them? And  that was really what the conversation sparked and. became. What was it like as you walked through the  community? How were you received? Um unwelcoming. I would say. Yeah. Especially with the camera, of  course. I think if I was there without the camera, not questioning anything, I would have been um  tolerated for sure. For those who haven't seen it, what kind of questions did you ask? What do you  do for work? How do you afford to have seven to.

10 kids? You asked that? Yeah. Hey, what do you do  for work? I study. I study Tora. Okay. How do you. afford has seven to 10 kids? Uh God. And I would  be like, what about the American taxpayer? And. they would say that too. I'm like, of course that  too. Was there any gratitude that you discerned. to the American taxpayer? For me asking these  questions? No. They say, you know, God bless. America. For God, I think it was but not for  America. For I mean, maybe there is some. Sure.

You didn't hear it, though. Uh I didn't feel it.  No. No. Um Wow. What about local politicians? They. must know this, right? I mean, if Oh, for sure.  They're beholden to these people, though. Uh, they're beholden to the Jewish voting block that  exists in these um concentrated Jewish communities. in New Jersey and New York. So, we haven't  established the importance of the Jewish voting. block in states like New Jersey and New York. Um,  obviously local politicians are aware of this. Um, even Donald Trump's aware of this. he put out  a tweet saying, you know, thank you so much to.

Lakewood, New Jersey, the Orthodox community in  Lakewood, New Jersey. There's some tweet he put. out thanking them uh in 2024. And they're one of  the most powerful voting blocks because of their. consistency. They always show up and they always  vote on behalf of whatever the uh rabbitical. leadership tells them to. So if they say you vote  for this guy, they consistently show up on behalf. of that candidate. um there's no partisan loyalty.  Um they'll shift from Democrats to Republicans as.

long as the benefits outweigh um one party over  the other. So they're the perfect voting block. Uh no one wants to stop their gravy train for  fear of losing their votes. So democracy has. been literally subverted or hijacked here. Yeah.  Hijacked seemingly in exactly the same way it has. been in Lewon, Maine, and Minneapolis, Minnesota  by the Somali. Yeah. seemingly an organized group, a small organized minority can disproportionately  impact everything. Could you have these.

communities without public without welfare? No.  Uh actually, you could. The Jewish community would. not because they're so dedicated to studying  full-time, spending so much time praying, etc., etc. Although there are precedents for that  being possible, which I always bring up the Amish. community. They're self-sufficient. They're fully  reliant on their own sweat and toil. It can be. done. So, the the Christian community pays for  itself. Exactly. Okay. But the others don't. Uh,

seemingly not. So, the This is a dumb question. I  just assumed I knew the answer, but it sounds like. you really do. The Amish are not on welfare.  They're not No. No. They are philosophically. opposed to taking welfare. They do not want to  take any welfare. Uh, they find it as shameful as. most people probably should, right? because it's a  safety net to reduce poverty and um not not a way. of life and not not a strategy for maintaining  a lifestyle of having 7 to 10 kids when you.

can't afford to otherwise. I think of course not  especially in a country that has no state religion. that isn't allowed to support theocracy. I mean  speaking for myself and I think I'm reflecting. in the constitution. Yeah. I I absolutely think  the Orthodox should have a right to any kind of. religious practice they want as long as you're  not hurting anyone. And same with the Somali, same as the Muslims in Michigan, same as the Amish  in Pennsylvania. But I but the idea that taxpayers.

would support someone else's religion. Yeah. It's  not allowed. It's even funnier for me because for. some of these groups there is outward hostility,  right? You take some of these I would argue these. Orthodox Jewish groups there is in fact hostility.  when we were there asking people questions, asking. them what they do for a living, how they get their  money, how they afford their little society. Um, there is hostility. So, for me as a taxpayer,  it's like, we're going to take your money. If you. question it, you're anti-Semitic and we hate you.  What was anti-Semitic about it? Um, the ADL said.

it hearkened back to anti-Semitic stereotypes of  um them being a drain on society or something like. that when it's all statistically corroborated.  I'm not pulling these out of my ass. Um, these. are welfare stats I was quoting and then I would  go to the direct source asking these people, "What. do you do for a living? How many kids do you have?  How do you afford your kids? Are you on welfare? How is that anti-Semitic?" And why do they get  their own brand of uh their own proper nounage.

of racism? That never made sense to me. I agree.  It's odd, right? It is odd. It's weird. Yeah, it. is odd. Um, ah, I haven't thought too much about  that, but I think that's you make a fair point. Um, how is it how is bigotry against one group  different from bigotry against any group? And of. course, if you believe in absolute standards,  it's not. It's all the same. It's all variety. is the same thing. Um, but if you believe that  only one group should be immune from criticism,

then you're not against racism. Of course, you're  an advocate of racism. Sure. Right. You're arguing. a kind of supremacy. Yeah. Jewish supremacy.  Yeah. Or or any kind. I mean any kind, you know, if you can attack anyone but white Episcopalian  men. Everyone else is fair game. What other group. can you not discuss though, right? I don't know.  You can disrespect Christianity with without any. flack. Um you can disrespect Islam legally. They  might kill you for it. And seemingly with Jews. um or at least some of these groups of Jews  um the legal affair may begin. Um you might.

get deplatformed or pulled off some sites, you  know. So So what hap Okay, so what happens? So, you do this video in New York at K2L. What kind  of reception does it get? Uh, the Americans are. happy. Thank you for calling this out. The locals  who live in nearby communities. Thank God someone. has finally come and spoken out about this.  The locals have strong feelings about it. Oh, they're they're perpetually grateful to me because  no one has ever touched this because seemingly.

it's radioactive. Um, if you have any political  ambitions, they die overnight if you talk about. this. Um, this is a strong voting block and on  top of that they're leveraging the generational. guilt of the Holocaust. Um, you're anti-Semitic  if you oppose any of what they're doing. So, I was a hero to the local communities  that live nearby. Just to be clear, yeah, the Holocaust was not committed by Americans. We  were actually the people who ended it. I think you.

can't make this up, Tucker. Right. No, but I just  I because history does get so distorted in real. time. America did not commit the Holocaust.  We lost many many many tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of Americans fighting  against it. So actually America is the hero. in that story. So I don't know why any American  would feel guilt about something that we gave the. lives of our ancestors to stop. So that's just my  I think that's a great point. It is a weird It's. a weird thing. It's a defense. It's a um it's  a mechanism that's almost reflexive for a lot.

of these people to throw out the anti-semitism  and then the conversation's buried, right? So, it's a shield to dissuade further argumentation  as to why I disagree with let's say a Jewish group. uh their actions, right? And it's it's abused  obviously and uh its weight seems to no longer. exist. I heard that it was abused. Yeah, I'd heard  that. I mean, I think so, right? Yes. Uh yeah, if someone had told me for me to clarify, I'm an  equal opportunity offender, so to speak. And then.

I think you've demonstrated that. Yeah. I'll talk  to any of these groups of people and have plenty. of critical questions for all of them. Uh not just  Jewish people. I didn't wake up one day and say, "Let's go piss off some Jews." Right. It's just  this is a perfect example of an ethnic enclave. that exploits the welfare system and uh let's go  check it out just like I would a Muslim group or. group just as you did. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah.  So um Okay. So you get big numbers. The audience. likes it. The neighbors are grateful for it. A  bunch of Israelis say, "Hey, we love this cuz.

we've lived it." Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Where does the  criticism come from? Um Republican demagoguery. Um. I think some politicians, Republican politicians,  the Republican party at large is as opposed to it. really. The left can get behind it. A lot of the  right can get behind it, but also a lot of the. right is disgusted by it. How dare he he uh engage  in anti-semitism? Um the ADL says it hearkens back.

to age-old's anti-semitic tropes. Um yeah, I I  don't even know what to say. That's un that's. So how did it's just laughable, you know. Did  any of the people who praised your Somali expos. did they attack this? Yes. Same people. Yes.  Yeah. I would give names, but their names are. probably too irrelevant to invoke here at this  table. But certainly hypocrisy. You know of. people who praised one video exposing parasitic  behavior by an ethnic enclave, but attacked the.

same thing when it was another enclave. For sure.  For sure. Okay. Well, that's and you would think. even secular Jewish communities would be like,  "Hey, you know, thanks for pointing this out. We. appreciate that which some of them did of course  but largely there was a tribal mentality of why. are you attacking these poor innocent Jews who  just want to mind their own business that's great. go mind your own business not on my dime Tucker  I pay taxes oh I agree quit taking money out of.

my wallet if you want to go live in the woods  do it work hard enough to buy your own property. and go do it I shouldn't have to subsidize your  lifestyle it's that simple I totally agree beyond. that though there's no beef there's no frustration  there's no hatred it's um just Any honest person. sees exactly the point you're making and it's  pretty hard to disagree with it. Yeah. Any. serious person. Well, yeah. I mean, if you think  this is okay, is it okay to have, I don't know, some Christian Nazi group or or whatever.  Yeah. And to that point, right, so there's that.

all-white community that's trying to start up in  the Arkansas, the the Ozarks in Arkansas. They're. going to get sued into oblivion just for existing  um just for uh violating the Fair Housing Act, right? For discriminating against non-whites. For  those who don't know, it's a group in the Ozarks. that's trying to build an all-white town. Yeah. Um  that's illegal with tax money. Uh no, self-funded. So the beauty of Curious Show to me was we're  essentially going to um de facto violate the Fair.

Housing Act, de facto segregate ourselves from  secular society with secular taxpayer dollars. And if you don't like it, you're anti-Semitic.  [ __ ] you. That was my takeaway. Well, that's what's happening. And white people  can't do it. And uh Yeah. I mean, I think. blacks tried to do it in downtown Philadelphia in  the mid 80s and they got firebombed by the mayor. Yeah. Yeah. They literally got blown up with a  bomb. Um not that you know, look, whatever. I'm. never been for racial separatism, but like I also  believe in freedom of association and do whatever.

you want. Conflict, right? I think actually you  should be able to do that. I don't have I don't. really segregating. That's fine. Why would you not  want to live next to people that look like you, um, worship the same God, pray like you,  raise their children the same way? Yeah, but why can they only do it, that's all? Well,  here's a pretty awful statistic. Over 85% of. the so-called grass-fed beef sold in this  country comes from other countries. It's not. American. That's no good for our farmers. It's  a tragedy for them. And that's why it matters.

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what were the consequences for you? So immediately  um obviously the sponsor pulled out of our video. We don't want to touch that. So I can talk  about Muslims, Christians, pimps, prostitutes, any group you can imagine, but this was the no  Tucker. This was a the radioactive topic. Wait, you had an advertiser in the video. Typically,  they do not ask me for the topic of the video for. this video. I've never been asked of a video. I I  generally have creative flexibility to place these.

sponsorships I get on whatever video I please.  But for this one, um I put out a tweet saying, "Have you ever heard of Curious Joel?" And I  broke down some of the statistics regarding. their welfare use. And I'm not going to name the  company, but one of the um the correspondents on. behalf of the company saw it and wanted to clarify  that it would not be about the Orthodox Jews. And. then when I said, "Yeah, it is." They pulled out  So obviously they have the right to spend their. money how they please. It's just funny and it goes  to show seemingly which groups you cannot talk.

about. Well, I think that's pretty clear at this  point. Um I have a lot of thoughts about that. The main one is I think it's counterproductive.  Obviously, it's not not good for anyone in the. end, but I also think it's a violation of like  the core idea of America, which is and it leads. to resentment, I think, um for a lot of people.  And it sort of proves their points right um in. the sense of you have special privileges. No, I  don't. You can't talk about us. Shut up. Okay. So,

you do have special privileges. Well, I agree with  you. Do you? No. So after that video, um, so many. residents from New Jersey reached out to me and  said, "Hey, we have the same thing going on here. in Lakewood, New Jersey and surrounding towns.  Please come here and take a look." So Lakewood, I think, is the most populous Jewish town besides  what, Brooklyn, New York, uh, in the United. States. Uh, massive Orthodox Jewish community.  And, um, many of the towns have been turned over,

so to speak. Um, non-Jewish towns have become  predominantly Jewish towns uh in the last two. decades from my understanding in the early 2000s  especially and uh it has been perpetrated through. pretty aggressive uh methods so to speak really.  Yeah. So, we're talking about the consolidation of. um political dominance from the township board  to the planning board to the zoning board to. the school board. And the heritage residents in  these areas, their argument is they've made it.

so uncomfortable for us that we've either left,  if we've had the means to leave financially. And. those who are left behind, send their kids to a  dismantled, eluded, and pillaged public school. system that's been destroyed inadvertently by  the presence of these uh orthodox Jews. Well, how has it destroyed this school system? Well, in  New Jersey, the state funding formula for schools. is a derivative of public school attendance.  Okay? So, if I had 5,000 public school attendees,

um that would be multiplied by x to determine the  amount of money my school gets. So, what happens. is when uh Orthodox Jewish communities come  in, they overwhelm these school districts with. um Jewish students who go to yeshivas, right?  They do not attend the public school system. Yet simultaneously um those those school  uh those schools have an obligation to fund. private transportation, special education  for these private schools. So what ends up.

happening is a large piece of the pie ends up  getting allocated towards these private schools. in the form of gender segregated busing and uh  exorbitant costs for special education within the. Jewish community. Wait, the state pays for gender  segregation? Gender segregated busing. Yeah. Yeah. The state pays for that. Correct. So that's state  funded. You can't even get states to have gender. segregated bathrooms, but they're paying for  gender segregated busing. Sure. Cuz they argue. it's a violation of their freedom to religiously  express themselves. And uh Yeah. So there's gender.

segregated busing at play. What about Title 9?  There's no federal law. Well, that's amazing. Sure. Yeah. Some would argue it's a violation  of the establishment clause. Um I I'm a by the. way just in point of fact I'm okay with gender  segregation. I don't have a problem with it at all. at all. In fact I think it's good in some ways but  I I just didn't know that the government could pay. for it cuz I thought the official position of the  government in every level was gender segregation.

is always bad including in the John. Yeah. But no  it's okay when I guess the yeshivas do it. Sure. Cuz they're a religious organization. Okay. which  you know different conversation but religious. freedoms in this country I think have uh gone too  far or have been weaponized by bad actors. Yeah. I mean there seems to be less religious freedom  for some people but a lot more for others. Yeah. And this is not the only instance of this  exact same behavior. The blueprint was made. in East Ramapo in Muny, New York. Um not too far  away. Uh basically Orthodox Jews came into this.

community of mostly black and brown workingclass  uh poor people. um bought a bunch of real estate, established their presence, voted themselves  into positions of power in the school board, the the voting uh the zoning board, the planning  board, uh the city council, they voted to defund. like after school activities for the kids in  the public schools um to increase the amount. of funding for these yeshivas. And then they  would consolidate the public schools that existed.

um as the funding basically uh went down and um  the public student enrollment went down as people. left they would consolidate them consolidate  them meaning they would close down some of the. public schools and they would then sell them  off for a discounted price to these yeshivas. So the takeaway from nearby towns wait and so  they actually took over the the physical plant. of the the buildings. They bought the schools  at discounted rates. Yeah. Below market rates.

arguably. Damn. It's brutal, right? So the lesson  for nearby towns was we don't really have any. upside for these people to move in if a the state  funding formula is designed in such a way that the. quality of our kids and their public education  will go down and they will elect themselves into. political power and basically be aggressive and  uh unreasonable neighbors to live by. Um so yeah, that's an amazing story. Yeah, it's interesting.  So, uh, you get calls from people saying, yeah,

that this is going on. What you covered in New  York is happening at even bigger. Not a call, just, um, widespread social media feedback  of like, hey, what you saw here, um, there's. there's tons of it and more here in Lakewood. Come  come down and visit. So, what's Lakewood like? Um, Lakewood is some would describe it as Little  Jerusalem, uh, Israel 2.0. I've never been to.

Israel. The climate's fundamentally different.  Obviously, that's a questionable comparison. But. New Jersey is the same size as Israel, weirdly,  funnily enough. But I bet you the landscape in. Israel is more charming, probably. So, right. It's  the Holy Land, right? Yeah. Um I mean, it's New. Jersey first off. It's an Ocean County. Uh the  climate's much different, but it it is densely. populated with I think twothirds of the population  is Orthodox Jews. Um the driving's terrible.

Um, and they run the show down there. And you  went? I went I went to Lakewood. I went to Monson, New York. I went to the nearby town of Jackson,  Jackson Township. Uh, where else did we go? We. went all over. Like, what? What experience did you  have? Um, oh, I was the boogeyman. A lot of these. people had seen the video in Curious Joel and  they were afraid for me to come down to Lakewood, New Jersey. There were group chats where they  would disseminate Yiddish um posters basically.

saying do not talk to anyone with a camera. Uh do  not let anyone in our synagogues play Disney music. so he gets a copyright claim on his videos. Like  I was the devil after that video in Kira Shell. came out in other Orthodox Jewish communities  because I also put out a tweet saying I'm going. to come down. Let me know if you have any tips.  I'm coming basically. Wow. So what happened when. you got there? Did they want to talk to you? Of  course. Yeah. Uh despite them being told not to. talk to me, a lot of Jewish people did come up  to me and their main point was the law is written.

in such a way that we deserve to receive these  welfare benefits. We qualify legally and therefore. it's okay and good. And if you have a problem with  that, go move to a different country. My position. was go move to a different country. Sure. I mean  obviously not all of them thought that way. There. were a few friendly encounters, but mostly it  was pretty um confrontational, unwelcoming. They. were frustrated that I was there. I can take it,  therefore, I'm justified in taking it. Yeah. So,

beyond the ethics of whether or not it was a good  or bad thing to do, their justification was if the. law is written in such a way, we are justified  in doing it. The law was somehow supreme over. what I would argue to be morals or ethics that  in my opinion, this is a bad thing to exploit or. take advantage of if that's what you're doing.  But for them, it's not coincidental. It's by. design. It's systemic exploitation of a system.  They're fully aware of all of its loopholes. They. understand the law in such a way that allows  them to exploit it in every degree. I mean,

I think you're what you're seeing is a clash of  worldviews. I think so. So, I I understand both, by the way. I understand both. Yeah. But one is um  a legalistic worldview. This is the law and we're. within the bounds of the law, which is, I think,  totally defensible. And the other is well there's. a higher law having to do with your ethics uh and  a greater shame decency. Yes. And you you see this. repeatedly in the New Testament when Jesus heals  on the Sabbath. Yeah. There's a they're all famous. scenes, but there's a particularly memorable scene  where he heals a guy who's been crippled for 38.

years at the pool of Besida and the guy gets up  and picks up his mat and starts walking and the. Pharisees are just on him. The guy hasn't walked  in 38 years. No, like you're holding your mat on. the Sabbath. It's against the law. Sure. And  Jesus like, "No, you're missing the point. He. can walk after 38 years." Like there's a higher  calling here. And so I'm not attacking anybody. I'm just saying like I think you're kind of seeing  that in law versus ethics morality almost in my.

opinion the way I view what welfare was designed  poor which was to help indigence you know poverty. single mom with some kids they can't afford to  to or even more broadly there are things that. we're allowed to do that we don't do because we  restrain ourselves I agree I can scream the f word. at a grandmother there's no law against it but I  don't because that's disgusting right I think so. you could probably get on welfare right now oh  I'm I'm I'm sure a lot of people could and don't. due to this concept of shame which is seemingly  not universal, right? We let all of these groups.

of people from all over the world including  Jewish people, right? Um including, you know, subsaran Africans, whoever it may be, into the  United States, because apparently we have this. obligation of being a melting pot, whatever that  means, however new that concept is. And we're. surprised when we learn that we have different  worldviews, different values, different gods, um different interpretations of reality that  guide our actions. Uh thus the divide because.

the heritage residents in a city like Lakewood are  saying, "Yeah, we know you can legally qualify, but we're tired of paying for your [ __ ] Please  stop." And they're saying, "Um, the law says I. can, therefore I will." Anti-semitism. If you  don't like it, leave. Therefore, leave your. country. You leave your country. Yes. Despite  their whole lifestyle being contingent on being. subsidized by the welfare that is paid for by  secular tax dollars is my position. So, you can't. be mad at the person that funds your entire way  of life. I think that's disingenuous and that's.

a little ungrateful. It's the definition of it.  Um, do local politicians do they weigh in on this? Um, they didn't weigh in on it directly when I put  my video out. Um, but all local politicians cave. to these guys. Um, the the voting block is too  immensely valuable for anyone to shut this down. um to cap uh the amount of benefits that they  receive to two kids or or three kids. No one.

wants to take away their gravy train because they  want the votes. So the votes in exchange for them. to be able to live the life however they want to  please. um to teach their kids however they want, um to exhaust the welfare system however they  please, and to not prosecute seemingly any. wrongdoers. Um so yeah, so this video comes out,  did you have any um I should ask, did you have. any like hostile exchanges? Did you call? Yeah.  Oh, for sure. I mean, I want to emphasize that I.

had no fear of being physically harmed in these  communities. That's I got to throw a bone their. way. Unlike Minneapolis, uh I did fear the Somali  communities, you know, attacking me or shooting. me. That's a real fear. Showing up to Curious  Shell or Lakewood, that's not a real fear. There's. no fear of physical harm in my opinion. I I walk  without security there. That's not a real concern. Whereas you feel threatened in the Somali nation.  Sure. Yeah. I mean, or some of these crimeridden.

predominantly black cities uh in let's say  Jackson, Mississippi or Kensington, Philadelphia, I might fear I I I might get shot. That's not a  concern here. So, I'm not physically uh fearful. Um but we were intimidated by the local police  and most interestingly their own internal police. They have this this thing called Shamrim. It's a  volunteer um community patrol, but the de facto.

function is law enforcement within the community.  So, we had this Shamre volunteer police equivalent. basically show up to us and say, "I'm going to let  everyone know that they don't have to answer your. questions and we're going to follow you." Um, so  keep in mind that these people drive cars with red. and blue lights. They look like undercover police  vehicles. How is that legal? I don't think it is, Tucker, but they do it. Um, I'm not a lawyer, of  course, but uh they're blasting through red lights.

with what appear to be undercover police cars,  and this is a volunteer civilian patrol squad. Um, now, keep in mind, they receive some element  of of federal funds, township funds. to my tax. dollars still somehow end up funding Shamrim, a  volunteer police squad in New Jersey. How is that. even possible? The religious police. Exactly.  Essentially, like in Saudi Arabia or Iran, if a.

Muslim group did that, I'd be opposed outraged  from me, too. I don't Yeah. And technically. they're a volunteer um civilian patrol squad, but  they function as an intimidating force to stop you. from doing things to sort of enforce the law. And  often times they've been accused of uh breaching. what they can actually do legally. Um whether it  be like I think they beat some gay black guy uh to. blindness once in like Crown Heights. There have  been several instances of people basically saying,

"Yo, they're not cops. Why are they acting like  they ran over a kid in Crown Heights in the 80s. and caused one of the biggest riots in New York?  The Crown Heights riots. Yeah. Were where Hot Sol. their EMS uh their volunteer EMS didn't take the  they didn't take the kid, but they took the Jewish. guy, right? And the kid died. That's correct.  Well, that was the claim. I mean, I wasn't. there. And um No, I wasn't. I wasn't there either.  New York. And like, you never know. And everyone. lies about everything. And ethnic conflict is  incredibly hard to decipher like what cuz as.

soon as it gets tribal everyone lies on behalf of  the tribe whatever the tribe it's not just it's. not just the Orthodox it's the black people what  any tribe does this so I don't really know what. happened of course but yeah I don't know that  that was certainly the account that history has. uh recorded is that and why wouldn't they have  an ingroup preferential bias right they do and. any person does obviously whites don't with the  exception of like post George Floyd I'm pretty.

I'm sure they ran a study where whites were  less inclined to shoot a black guy. Of course, much less obviously, right? Your whole life is  going to get torn to shreds, right? And whites. have just had it beaten out of them. And uh even  in a country that fought the Nazis, everyone. somehow feels responsible for the Nazis. Uh but  anyway, uh yeah, and there may be other reasons, but the bottom line is you're right. We had  rabbis telling us we couldn't be in the parking. lot for the Kosher West supermarket. um get out  of here. People whispering in each other's ears,

don't talk to him. Um there's seemingly this upper  management rabbitical class that's telling the. plebs to to not talk to this guy. He's trouble.  So there would be a lot of people excited to. come up to me actually and tell a joke. I got a  funny joke for you. And I was like, "All right, great. We'll show some positives." Guy comes up  or don't talk to him. He says, "Do you know how. much money we make?" That was his new response.  I'm like, "Come on, man. Just show your humanity. Talk to me. I'm here to talk. I'm not a scary guy.  We're not rolling with 10 security guards. It's.

me and like a cameraman or two in the distance.  I'm walking alone for the most part. And I have. a group of 10 to 20 of these Orthodox Jews arguing  with me as to how they're entitled um to welfare, how it was seemingly promised to them. Oh man.  But uh yeah, so they had their own internal. police force. The cops themselves were pulling me  over without probable cause. I would say, "Hey, officer, I know you're doing your job. Why am  I being pulled over?" They would say, "You're a.

suspicious person." I would say, "What's what's  suspicious about me? You were filming." Okay, we were filming on the sidewalk. Give me your IDs.  There's They can't articulate probable cause. Um, we suspect um that one of the high-ranking local  officials called the police and told them to give. us a hard time. That's speculative. I don't  know. What country is this again? The United. States of America. Okay. Yeah. It's easy  to forget though, right? Yeah. So, yeah, it was hostile. It was unwelcoming. They thought  I was there to do a hit piece. Um, I was there to.

talk to them and you're allowed to do a hit piece  if you want in your own country. Yeah. Yeah. And. I am allowed to do that. And part of my position  was uh first of all, it wasn't a hit piece. It was. fair in my opinion. But B, I don't have to show up  to show the positive sides of whatever community. That's for that's for Joe Schmo to do. I'm here to  jump into the heart of darkness and ask the hard. questions and and if people get pissed off then so  be it. You know, it's not your not your problem. That's not my prerogative. I want to do the fun  hard stuff, which is asking the questions that may.

piss off a few people. So, did you get the same  picture you got at Curious Joel that this is a. community supported by welfare? Um, the economics  are a little bit different. they they're a little. more well off financially, but basically at any  given time you can expect half of the population. that's 16 and up to be unemployed. Um half half  half. So keep in mind though, Tucker, that in a. place like Curious Shaw, I think the median age is  less than 16 years old. So what that really means.

is half the population is children and half of the  adult population is unemployed uh and not seeking. employment whether it be religious study child  rearing for the women uh they have no intention. of getting a job and financially contributing.  Um so yeah so how'd that video do? Oh it that. one went nuclear. Uh Republicans were pissed. they  were uh good faith Republicans in my opinion drew.

comparisons to the Somali situation and said  what's the difference between the Jews here. using the welfare and systematically exploitative  ways and um the Somali like what's the difference. basically um bad faith Republicans hypocritical  Republicans were saying they're using the system. as intended they don't cause any violent crime  leave them alone essentially you're not allowed.

to talk Why don't they leave us alone? Riot as  a taxpayer. Yeah, go fun yourself and no one. would have an issue. And that's really the crux. I  support it. Sure. I like eccentric self-sufficient. religious communities. I don't want to bother any  any one of them. Sure. But part of the secondary. argument is their intrusion into the community  and the words I used were invasion um has led to. the inadvertent destruction of the public school  system for the secular or goyam population the. non-Jewish population in these towns. Basically as  more Jews move in it is uh unavoidable that your.

public school quality will go to [ __ ] Uh your  your kids will have a lesser quality of education. So, it's either get out now while you can sell  your house to the Orthodox Jew who's moving in or. be the last one holding the bag as your town goes  to [ __ ] Man, that's upsetting. Kind of, right? So, this video goes bonkers on the internet.  Yeah. So, within I think less than 24 hours, my.

Patreon is deleted mysteriously. What's Patreon?  Patreon is a uh sort of a crowdfunding website. that allows you to directly raise money from your  viewers or fans or whatever where you can say, you know, hey, you can get access to these videos  um for five bucks a month. So, a large portion of. our independence was from this website where we  had people subscribe to our Patreon. It's just. a website that allows you to collect money on a  subscription or routine basis. Um, less than 24.

hours after releasing this video, my Patreon is  deleted, gone without warning. Why? They cited. some BS. Um, they basically the way the terms of  service is written is in such a manner that they. can take you down. Uh, but that's your business.  That's my business, right? Obviously, it's their. business. It is what it is. I was naive. But  this is the engine of your business, right? Yeah. a large part of how we're funded. Uh that's  I mean it's really just a middleman that allows it.

mistake. No, absolutely not. Um reinstated since  um did they ever explain? No. No. They cited I. think it was for um bullying or something like  that. Bullying. Um, and I think uh they might. have selected a video that they could easily argue  was the case uh in their eyes in such a way that. their terms of service is written. But no, we were  deplatformed basically overnight from Patreon. Um,

but you'd done controversial video that could  be seen as controversial before, correct? You've. done videos that could easily be seen. If that is  your parameter for hate or bullying, then we've. bullied everyone. Give me an example. We're the  biggest bullies. Um, we we've critiqued corrupt. mega pastors like Benny Hinn. I ran up on the  guy's stage and said he's a snake oil salesman. I. got tackled. Um, wow. We've dissected Benny Hinn.  That Benny Hinn. He was a friend of Paula Whites,

I think. Paula White, the Yeah, he's Christian  Zionist in the administration. Yeah. Um, Wow. You didn't get pulled off? No. So, you actually  kind of hassled Benny Hen like full-blown. Yeah, we we interrupted his service. Whoa. I I  jumped on stage. Did you do anything like. that in a synagogue in Lakewood or curious? We  just walked into the synagogues and talked. You. didn't interrupt the caner or anything? No,  I didn't do any dramatic uh So, you're way. tougher on the Christian preacher than you were  on the Orthodox. Yeah. You know, if you think.

of it like that way, not by design necessarily,  but to be fair, absolutely nothing happened. No. problem. No problem. What else? What other kind  of videos might have been read as bullying? Um, if I'm a bully, then we've bullied pedophiles.  Uh, pat myself on the back for that one. Um, it's not so much bullying. We've just  critiqued and asked critical questions to every. group. Yeah. Um, and never Muslims, Christians,  pimps, prostitutes, criminal gangsters, murderers,

whoever. Tucker, everyone. And, and did Patreon  ever. Black supremacists, white supremacists. No. No issue on Patreon. What's interesting is it  used to be not that long ago back in George Floyd. times that George Floyd, we had a video on George  Floyd. Oh, did you literally? Yeah. But there was. a period where you couldn't say anything about  Black Lives Matter for example. Yeah. Do you. remember that? Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I grew up in  those times. Yes. So that's gone apparently. It. doesn't matter. I guess say whatever you want.  Yeah. This is this is the new BLM. This is the.

new meta. Yeah. the new untouchable group  is seemingly I it seems to be Jews at large. uh unrelated to uh how they feel about Israel and  you know what's going on in the Middle East and. just that's an untouchable group. Are you familiar  with the proposed what anti-semitism protection. laws in Florida? Uh I'm not a lawyer. I don't  have an encyclopedic breakdown of what it is, but basically uh laws that are designed in such  a manner that if you criticize basically exactly.

what I found in Curious Joelle um that that would  be criminal. criminal. I think so. That if you. accuse a Jewish person of having dual loyalty  um or them causing problems in the Middle East. or what whatever it is, there's like 12 different  bullet points that's amend your ability to freely. discuss what's going on in the Middle East or  here in the United States of America, which is.

funny to me because there are in fact people who  do have over that. I mean, you're not allowed to. tell Americans what they have to believe. period.  And if you back up your demand with guns using our. government to prevent us from saying what we think  is true, then that's grounds for I would agree. But who's going to do for a revolution? We had a  revolution over something smaller than that, you. know? So yeah, but who's going to go out with guns  and and fight back at this point? You have the. surveillance state, you're going to get arrested  immediately. Like is is revolution really if.

they can make people take the vax, then probably  they can make them do anything. We we failed the. compliance test. You're right. Well, you're right.  No, it's it's right. It's just that you would. think um that people would hold on to their core  freedom, which is the right to say what you think. is true. Period. You would think a lot of things,  Tucker. No, I know. So, Patreon, that's crazy. So, you lost us, you lost an advertiser and overnight.  Yeah. And that money, the amount of money that was.

uh allocated for me to receive, I think, on  a monthly basis just disappeared, refunded to. my supporters. Seriously? Yeah. But luckily, you  know, we're big enough to where we took it like a. champ. It is what it is. [ __ ] them, basically.  Yeah. Um, we made our own website. You know, we fully host that. And then I got banned from  the website servers, not once, but twice. What? Yeah. I couldn't host my website um for what was  it? Hate speech or something along those lines.

Seriously? Seriously? Because of those videos? Uh,  I I guess I mean there's no specification as to. which video. Just generally um I'm a propagator of  hate speech. The web host that's just whoever owns. the servers. Exactly. Just the servers. So Herzner  and Valter took me off. Yeah, that's crazy, right? It's just something you never would have  thought of. Did you think of it ahead of time? No, absolutely not. That's why I made the the website  in the first place. I was like, I'll just make my.

own. And then we got taken off the hosting. Yeah.  Did they explain it? Yeah, they said they cited. um like banning circumvention as as basically I  circumvented a previous ban from another platform, which in this case would be Patreon, I guess,  and then for hate speech or something along. those lines. How long did this take to happen? Uh  I think I maybe I lasted a week for the first one, maybe a week again, maybe a week and a  half. So immediately pretty quickly. Oh. Oh, Patreon within 24 hours from what I remember and  then about a week on one website and then about.

another week. One week on one uh website server  and then another week and there's no appeal or. argument or anything. No, we're kicking you off.  You're out of here, buddy. Did you ever hear from. them again? Did they reinstate you? Anybody? No.  Reinstated by none. Um it's a joke. Yeah. So, what did you do? Uh, I mean, I have a  new web host server right now, but um, are you worried about YouTube? Um, I feel as if  YouTube's doing an okay job at moderating, right?

They're letting us have this conversation. Those  videos have 9 million views almost. To me, that's. um, I got to give them kudos. I spent many years  attacking YouTube and maybe I will again, but I. got fired almost exactly 3 years ago and YouTube  has been a stalwart partner. I never thought I. would say that. I wouldn't lie about it. It's not  like I'm in I don't owe them money. I could exist.

without them, but I just have to be I think you're  in the same position. I would say largely I could. not exist without them, but they've treated me  with uh fairness. So that's kind of shocking. It is. I know. If you get to the point where  you're sitting here complimenting Google for. their commitment to free speech, things are bad.  Things have been bad, right? No, but we should be. grateful for our blessings. And so far, YouTube  has been a blessing. I can't believe I'm saying. that. I know. It's just a fact. It's just a fact.  I don't know what to say. I feel like a sellout, but it's just true. Um, so wow. So, we didn't in  the end you replaced the income. How? Yes. Yeah.

How do you do that? uh people just rally behind  the cause of why would you not allow this guy to I. couldn't I couldn't I feel like sending you money  just listening but I mean how do you do that so. Patreon is the dominant service for this correct  I used AI to code a new website and then we hosted. it on a web host server made your own made my own  yeah like the next day at like 2:00 in the morning. I was just clacking away on No way I swear yeah  that's the story you built your own the prettiest.

website. But yeah, we built a Patreon clone  basically. Yeah. In 24 hours. Uh, no. Maybe a. couple days. Couple days. Yeah. That's incredible.  And it actually I guess for that much at least. Yeah. It works. Yeah. Like process. Surprisingly,  it's not that sophisticated to host a video like. No, I guess that's right. Yeah. Right. It's It's  not a complicated product. So, you have survived. We've survived and thrived. Yeah. What are the  lessons you're drawing from this? Um, seemingly.

there are a lot of uh powerful Jewish people who  own significant media enterprises uh websites that. seem to bend the knee at least to what they  view to be anti-semitic dialogue. Uh, what's. interesting though is I I don't know a lot about  it. I'll just be totally blunt. I've always liked. the Orthodox just on principle cuz and I loved  them during COVID cuz they wouldn't stop their.

weddings. Yeah, they threw a middle finger. I love  that. I was constantly from my heart complimenting. the I think they're great if they did it on their  own diet. I totally agree. I didn't even know. about it. I mean, they're nice people. If I wasn't  there with the camera asking critical questions, they're nice enough. What's interesting is every  time I've ever um complimented the Orthodox and I. like their style, I like the beaver hats and all.  I like all that stuff. And um the garb is badass. The people who've pushed back against me are are  secular Jews. Like there's always been in Israel.

as noted there's terrible tension but here also  um I've had a lot of friends who are basically. secular Jewish express real hostility toward the  Orthodox and what respect you know they don't like. them I mean I've noticed that my whole life just  having a lot of secular Jewish friends whenever. I'm like I was in Burough Park Brooklyn once okay  and I ca for a story years ago 30 years and I came. back to my newsroom and I was like I like those  guys and they were all the people I know who. are secular Jews were like, "They're disgusting.  They're horrible." Like, there was tension between.

those two groups. That's what I've always noticed.  I'm hardly an expert. I'm an Episcopalian, but I've just I've seen this. Yeah. What was  fascinating? It's kind of weird that is that. despite their internal differences, they do show  up for each other. It seems like apparently. Um. I think so because I had a lot of secular Jews  frustrated and pissed off that we videos. Yeah. Uh the Israelis kind of loved it though. It seems  like, right, of course. Um they're like, "Thank. you for calling this out. We have the same thing  here in Israel. They won't enlist. Yeah. Whatever.

you think about the Israelis, I've known a bunch  of them I liked personally, but they have fewer. hang-ups about this kind of stuff that they're  much more direct. Do you know what I mean? They're. straightforward people. So, what is this going  to change how you progress? Hell no. No. I mean, this was the most radioactive thing we could  have done at this point. No bars held. I mean, we we'll continue to to critically uh show up with  the same critical lens we would any other group, right? Did it affect any friendships? No, not that  I'm aware of. Okay, good. Yeah. Yeah, that's good.

Right. That's a true loss. Yeah. If that happens  to you, that's a real That would be sad, but uh. ultimately I would see that as their loss because  come on, we're we're on a mission here to to hold. everyone accountable to the same standards and the  standards. If that's the thing that breaks breaks. our friendship, then come on, get out of here. I  I agree. I agree with that. Do you worry that if. this can happen to you? I didn't realize this  stuff was still happening. I thought Trump was. fix all this stuff. I thought this was like a a  relic of the Biden years, but um I'll give you an.

example. There was a guy who made a similar video  uh almost a brand new channel, maybe like 2,000. subscribers on YouTube, a very small channel,  and you know, YouTube metrics. He put out a video. there in Lakewood about a week or two before I  think we finished ours. And he got dogpiled by the. Orthodox Jewish community. They mass disliked it  and ultimately algorithmically killed the video. Um, they aborted the video before its inception,  so to speak. Uh, it never got to take off. So,

my takeaway was if we were not the size we were  on YouTube, I don't think we could comfortably. even talk about a lot of these things. Um, we  have the track record for treating everyone. equally in my opinion. We have the size to sort of  bully this into conversation was was my takeaway. Interesting. Yeah. Can for people who don't know  what you mean about dog piling a video out of. existence, can you just explain the mechanics?  Yeah, I mean this is somewhat speculative on. my end, but I think there's data out there that  suggests that when a video from the get-go is mass. disliked, for instance, if you had 10,000 people  click this video, dislike it, and watch it for 1.

second, the algorithm would disincentivize um the  proliferation of this video to new viewers. So, you have a guy with 100 subscribers who puts out  a video critical of a group like let's say the. Orthodox Jews and it gets 10,000 dislikes and they  watch it for 5 seconds and leave leave a negative. comment, YouTube's going to see that as um this  video does not resonate with um the initial. sample size and we will not continue to share this  video. So, his video will never get any traction.

because of that initial abortion of the video so  to speak. But you've reached a scale where that's. just that's doesn't work anymore. Yeah. Has it  hurt your business? Yes, I think so. Yeah. Um, yeah. Sponsors won't touch topics like that.  We've had sponsors even asked to pull out. sponsorships from videos we filmed 3 years ago  that have nothing to do with these topics. Uh we. filmed a video in in a cancer belt in Louisiana  about companies like uh what's an example? Some.

of these pesticide companies. Yeah. That uh  man, there's the big one. Monsanto. Monsanto, I think. Yeah. Um in Louisiana, a bunch of people  getting cancer uh way earlier than they should due. to their exposure to these toxic chemicals. Videos  totally unrelated to this Orthodox Jewish topic. they've asked to get pulled out from those videos.  So, I've cut them out of the videos on YouTube.

um retroactively. Three-year-old videos uh because  of I guess the frustration of what what this video. represents. I don't know. There's no clarity  beyond, you know, take this out. We have a legal. clause that allows us to do. You said you grew up  during George Floyd. Obviously, did your 26. Yeah. Yeah. So, that was 6 years ago. So, you were just  busy dropping out of college at that point. Yeah. I was actually in Austin when the riots happened  and people were throwing Molotov cocktails through. some bars downtown. I was watching the chaos  unfold in downtown Austin. People were blowing up.

cars. I was like, "What the hell's going on here?"  And I was pretty politically illiterate back then. I would argue I still am now. And I didn't even  fully understand what was happening. I was like, "Why is Austin rioting? What does this have to do  with Austin, Texas? Like, why is everyone shipping. out here? I don't know." I was like, "Wait, why  did they get the pass to blow up a car?" Why do. the cops just watch it happen? What does Austin  have to do with Minneapolis, right? It has it just. didn't make any sense. Um, and when that happened,  this was also during um the COVID nonsense. Um,

the lockdown restrictions, all that fun stuff. And  I was like, screw this. I'm going back to Modesto. I was like, I'm out of here. I broke the lease  prematurely and just left. I was like, I'm not. dealing with this. Um, so yeah, it's just in. So  if you're 26, I mean your whole like adult life. has been like me too, George Floyd. Um, what else?  It's been one witch witch hunt after another. It's.

just been pure identity politics from the minute  you left high school. Yeah, there is no world. that I can recall without this identity politics,  right? There is no non-tribal politics that I But. you belong to the only group that's not allowed  to have a tribe. So that must be very strange. for you. Uh yes. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know what  to make of it. I think um I can't conceive of a. world where this was not the case. And I imagine  you grew up in a time where most people look the. same for the most part. Yeah. They worshiped the  same god. They did and what wanted they wanted.

what was best for the economy. Like they wanted  national security and a thriving economy. I think. because it was overwhelmingly overwhelmingly white  and Christian, the country that I grew up in, the. Christian whites really went out of their way to  make non-Christian whites feel comfortable. Yeah, that was like a that was a huge emphasis. Um, you  know, there are some people who aren't like us and. we need to do whatever we can to de-emphasize the  differences and to make them feel included. Um,

that whole worldview, I think, is dying as the  group that did it becomes a minority. But uh there. was no sense in which you know discrimination  was acceptable at all even in private. People. didn't ever say damn those Jews or damn those  blacks. Like I never heard one person talk like. that ever. And now that's pretty mainstream. Now  they're like people say I don't believe you're. lying. I don't care what you think. I was I was  there and nobody ever talk that way ever. Even. as a kid and maybe the earliest I can remember  it maybe in elementary school. like there truly.

might have been a a color-blind element to life,  right? And then beyond high school for me though, everything's been this identity politics. How do  you think this ends? Balkcanization of America. for sure, right? We're already seeing it. Um,  if you can afford to, you'll insulate yourself. from like crimeridden inner cities. And that's  why you're in Bosezeman or wherever, you know? That's why Boseman all of a sudden tripled in  value, right? Absolutely. If you have the money, you'll you'll leave these areas that are becoming  crimeridden [ __ ] holes. And if you don't, you'll.

be left behind as seemingly these activist judges  release the same repeat offenders. Um, these. murderous people who are, I guess, too mentally  insane to be institutionalized, but mentally sane. enough to be let back on the streets. Um, well,  you can see why the there are probably whites who. are getting a little paranoid. If you're the  only nonprotected group and every other group. thinks as a group except you are not allowed  to think as a group and a lot of groups hate.

you but there's no one to defend you then I mean  you can see why Elon Musk recently tweeted we're. moving towards South Africa and the whites are  screwed. You can see why. That's a great analogy, right? Do people go that way? A whole city like  Jackson, Mississippi. That's um I spent a summer. in Jackson in the late ' 80s. Depends on where  Okay. In in a black neighborhood and it was great. and the black people were super nice and there  was no crime aimed at me. I think things have. kind of the point I'm making. I I can't remember  that world. I was in Jackson, Mississippi in the.

summer of 1989 in a black neighborhood for like  three weeks and I went to the 7-Eleven at night. to buy cigarettes and call my girlfriend on the  pay phone and not one person bothered me and I was. the only pale face in the zip code. So like that  did exist. I was there. Yeah. Yeah. I think you'd. be unwise to show up to Detroit or or Philadelphia  or Jackson, Mississippi. And what gets rich too, Tucker, is a lot of people will make it a red  blue state issue. I mean, there are some [ __ ].

up cities all across America um that deal with the  same issues and it's not on the lines of red or. blue, Democrat, Republican. Um it exists all over.  So, I don't know. I think if you the the dream, the American dream right now is seemingly to make  enough money to insulate yourself from the chaos. unfolding in uh in major cities. To get out of the  major city, to go buy a nice house in the suburbs, and to be left alone. That seems to be the modern  American dream. Uh, and for a lot of people coming.

to the US, it seems to be to make as much money  as possible, send as much as you can back home, then show up to a mega mansion in Bangaluru, India  after you're done exploiting the United States. That's what it seems like the dream is for a lot  of these people coming here. Um, so yeah. So that. leaves one group totally unprotected, seemingly  white people, right? Yeah. By every measure. So, I have noticed just in and I of course I  don't know what's coming, but I've noticed. uh concern bordering on paranoia among people  I've been talking to. Pretty moderate, normal,

you know, Bush, Romney, McCain, now Trump  voters, just Republicans. Not, you know, nothing nothing crazy. Not a white supremacist  among them at all. It's like normal whites who. are like, I think we're going to get necklaced at  some point. I think that group's probably least. likely to hold any uh ingroup racial preference.  Right. These are not people who've ever thought. of themselves as white at all. Yeah. Right.  I These are not people who like, you know, they're not from Alpena, Arkansas. No, no. These  are people from like Long Beach. They're those.

least likely to to hold any um you know, whites  don't stick together in their eyes, right? It's. at occurred to them. They've never had the need  to, right? But those people to at least I've. just noticed this in the past couple of months are  like, "Man, we're in trouble." That's interesting. Have you heard anyone say that? Um, I only speak  to I feel like Gen Z, you know. How do they feel?

Gen Z feels hopeless, demoralized. Um, without  opportunity. Uh, the college degree is seemingly. useless. The bachelor's degree means nothing. They  have to compete with a globalized labor force. There's what? Human quantitative easing at play  where we're ensuring infinite jobs to compete. against our college graduates. Yet Trump's out  there saying our college graduates are are lazy. and incompetent and not sufficient um to fill  these jobs despite us holding what the best.

universities on the planet. Well, you guys noticed  when he said that. Yeah. Right. And that's such. a slap in the face of what's the point? What  are we even voting for? Right. Like that's the. question. Um who who represents my generation's  interests? Someone will have to otherwise that. energy has to be funneled somewhere. So Trump  did say something like that. I think something. along those exact lines. Yeah. And people in your  generation heard it. They they caught that. Well, yeah. These are the same people who don't  have a job several years out of college. Um. who can't get a job with their degree. Um who are  competing with, you know, infinite H-1B Indians.

uh these guys who have 20 years experience from  India who are taking their job and we're using. these H-1Bs as a wage suppression mechanism like  why are we not paying these H-1Bs above market. rate if they're such rare irreplaceable talent  right it seems to only be a wage suppression. mechanism so our generation's getting replaced  by seemingly foreigners um not seemingly actual. literally enclaves of foreigners they know the  game though they understand that politics is.

zero sum they need to elect their own, protect  their own interests. And that's what I think my. generation is maybe waking up to. Um, and maybe  something that your generation has had the um, good fortune of not having to spend as much  time. Completely different country. Completely. different. And I wouldn't be in touch with it if I  didn't have so many children and so many employees. and uh, you know, and other reasons. But in  general, yeah. No, I think I'm more aware of it, but still not anywhere near as aware of it as you  would be since I'm not having politics was like.

gay and woke for the longest time until the white  guy in his 20s was forced to confront himself with. either we we developed some ingrof some ingroup um  racial preference or we're going to go extinct. I. think what's just so interesting is that I've  noticed that this administration which I think. was elected to end identity politics has engaged  in the most aggressive identity politics but only. on behalf of 2% of the population. And so every  single tweet from every person I know in the.

administration's like Harvard's real problem is  that it's discriminated against Jews. Meanwhile, it's like 20% Jewish with a Jewish president. And  the one group that is provably unrepresented is. high SAT scoring, high IQ Christian white kids.  And not only are they not ignoring that, but. they're making a mockery of it and pointing their  finger at that exact same group and accusing them. of the sin, and it is a sin, of anti-semitism.  And it's like, are you begging for revolution?

Is that what you want? It's it's mocking it's  mocking people who are being destroyed for who. they are. And you know that that's true and you're  ignoring it on purpose on behalf of, you know, people who are who whatever. Anyway, yeah, there's  not a talent deficiency within this this uh ethnic. group, right? It's almost too much, though. It's  a kind of humiliation that I don't understand why. you would ever do that to somebody. Yeah. So, you  can't be surprised when um there's an epidemic of. what incelss and hopeless young men who who  are opting out of the dating market, who are.

opting out of what eventually you give up, I'm  sure, if you apply it to 10,000 jobs and you're. algorithmically filtered out of um consideration  for a job. I don't think there's been any attempt. to fix any of that. I don't think so at all.  I think the answer we've been given is you're. not talented enough. You're lazy. We don't need  you. Here's an Indian seemingly and we're gonna. sue Harvard for discriminating against Jews. And  the real problem is not the rapist pedophiles in.

power. It's Harvard discriminating against Jews.  Give me a break. Like Pam Bonnie, she tweeted that. out. I was like, "Come on, Pam." So I lock in,  Pam. Let's focus here, Pam. No, I think this is. um this isn't it's not just negligence. It's  hate. It's hate. Obviously, it's it's hate. So, but where does that leave the group that  you're talking about which voted for Trump by the. way overwhelmingly bag holders? Um, yeah. So, but  what and then I you know Nick Fuentes or Fuentes.

is only about Fuentes but at some point there's  going to be someone who is not just about himself. who actually wants to build a political movement  that is way more radical than the Republican party. and that person is going to be huge among your  generation. Is that a fair Yeah. I mean, listen, I don't know the full political belief of I don't  know all the beliefs, you know, Fuentes has, for. example, but I think he's right about that young  men are disaffected. I'm not attacking Fentes. I'm.

just saying like Fuentes is only about Fuentes  or whatever is ultimately he talks about. He's. not avoidable, you know, but he makes points that  are true. Absolutely. A lot of them for sure. And. he is being uh that ring true for a non-radical  or someone who is they ring true for me. That's. why I interviewed him. And I don't agree with a  lot of it. I told him I didn't. But in general, his critique that the whites are shafted for sure  and that this Israel relationship is really sick.

and that everyone basically that voted for Trump  is seemingly not getting any. Got it. I agree with. all of that. So that's all real. My only point  is people look at Fentes and they're like, "Oh, you're the scariest thing that could happen."  Absolutely not. Yeah. Yeah. That's my point. I don't know where it goes. Right. Um the energy  has to go somewhere, right? This is like Newton's. Newton's I don't know second law, third law. I  only went to high school. You tell me, Tucker. The energy uh must be diverted elsewhere. And a  lot of young men are pissed off. I think for a.

lot of young men though, they will just hibernate  and jerk off and decay in their basement and their. their parents' homes. That is reality. There  will be a eugenics effect. Um white men getting. litigated or filtered out of uh participation in  society. There will be an extinction event for. sure. Um that's inevitable, right? But some of  them might try to do something a bit more bold. and revolutionary maybe. But how does something  like that even come into existence? Wish I knew.

with the surveillance state and uh do can you even  is the democracy the means by which my generation. um up uplifts their quality of life? Is is that a  possibility? Because the Republicans clearly don't. care. The Democrats don't care. Uh, is there  a third party alternative? What does that look. like? I'm not sure. But the two current options  are insufficient. You're making me emotional. Really? Cuz what you're saying is true. Yeah.  Yeah. And I'm like I mean I think of myself.

as a pretty reasonable guy, right? Like I was  politically illiterate in many ways. I didn't I. didn't think about this stuff. I was making goofy  YouTube videos uh in my early 20s um from 18, 19, 20, 21. It was only till I was about 22  years old till I even realized all this stuff. was going on. I didn't even think really about,  you know, the George Floyd stuff that much. Um, but now it's unavoidable. People say, "Why are  you making everything so political?" They'll. talk to their neighbors or their family members,  why is everything so political? And now it's it's.

unavoidable. You you have to consider the reality  and the consequences of how your everyday life is. being affected by these things. So unfortunately,  everyday people have a political opinion on. everything right now. And I think that's that's  a tragedy more than a it's not a win. No, it's not a win at all. Um well, I'm subscribing to  you, so thank you. Yeah, that was awesome. Yeah, I. really thank you for spending all this time. Yeah,  thanks for having me. I appreciate it. For sure.