Tucker’s Neighbor on Rural America, Overcoming Addiction, and Donald Trump

this fall during hunting season I was. getting a slice of pizza at a general. store in a small town in the mountains. of Western Maine and I was standing in. line and I ran into a guy I know a guy I. like a lot called Esau Cooper who was a. local excavator and he said I've been. watching you interviewing all these. people why you interview me I got. interesting stuff to say and I thought. you know I bet he does Esau Cooper is an. interesting person Esau Cooper is not. only a good upstanding citizen of his.

town to remain unnamed uh in the western. M mountains but he's also the local. lawnmower racing champ every year this. town in August has a lawnmower race and. Esau Cooper often wins it sometimes at. Great personal risk here's a video of it. Esau is the one in the green John Deere. that runs into the. camera.

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lawnmower racing is one of those things. you make fun of as a curiosity and. Oddity for rural areas until you see it. and then you realize these guys are. legit Automotive engineers and they have. major Stones it's dangerous that video. by the way shot by Toby winsell ESO. Cooper the man on the green John de here.

joins us now in studio Esau it's great. to see you good to be here wasn't. joking um so first a lot more racing. like how fast do those go uh the sky is. a limit it depends on how fast you make. it go our particular track in Andover we. uh 25 30 miles an hour is probably too. fast to make turn one so not. particularly fast but because the track. small and tight it looks like you're. flying you know it certainly does I've. seen it the straight stretch is only 100.

ft long so if you g attracted a pull for. 100 feet yeah you're good well so how do. you get a ride on mower to go 30 mil an. hour change the pulley and get rid of. the governor how do you get rid of the. governor you just unhook a few Springs. and pull it back and so the the motor. turns pushes as fast as it can all the. time it's it's not good for longevity of. the motor but. it's yeah could you do that in any. vehicle you can get rid of the governor.

on a lawnmower engine yeah wow so you do. that over the winter no no winter I log. snowmobile hunt oh springtime when. there's no you can't cut wood and it's. too early to start digging that's when. the lawn mes come out when we start. tinkering them what for people who don't. live in an area where logging is Big why. can't you log in the spring it's a mud. season they post the roads so you can't. drive big trucks on the roads and the. snow melts and the ground gets really. soft this the uh the Frost goes out and.

it's just the ground is soft you can't. do much other than go in the garage and. fix equipment and Tinker on lawnmowers. and how long have you been logging uh 30. years a guy from your town got killed. last year logging good friend of mine y. um how'd that happen and how do people. get killed. logging well generally speaking people. get complacent yeah um he was actually H.

Logging and um he knew how to do it was. considered a a considerable. logger uh I looked at the site yeah he. uh he went and cut another tree while. while a tree got h a tree got hung up. yeah and he went and cut another tree in. the line of sight of that tree that was. hung up and the tree fell yeah on him.

and killed him so he w i mean by. reputation was and you just said like. knew exactly what he was doing yeah so. do you ever worry about getting hurt. logging yeah yeah yeah yeah you just I. mean especially after that um you just. you don't take those chances yeah but. there's all you know everybody everybody. takes chances now and then you know so. how did you end up living in a little. town in Western Main.

oh well my mom is from Livermore Fall's. area she grew up in Maine my. dad my dad was from all over the. Northeast um I was born in New London. Connecticut we moved to uh a little. trailer park in Peru when I was really. young Peru main. yes and then we moved to another small. town in Western Maine what town uh.

Rumford Center yep very small town Y and. when I was 10 years my father died when. I was six and shortly. thereafter um my mom got remarried and. we moved to Andover when I was 10 and I. was disgusted I actually ran away from. home where'd you go an old girl scout. camp on the Whip Road me and a buddy of. mine uh I ran away on my 10 speed and. disappeared for a day or two until they. finally found us you know and we were.

just at that time we were into Rambo. yeah you know outdoor survivalists and. stuff so we were going to I don't know. what we were thinking I just was making. a statement I guess that I this town. sucks I'm from rumet and I'm going back. to rumet yep you thought Andover was bad. yeah it was it was it was not you know I. didn't know anybody shortly thereafter. though I found I met two guys that uh. you know I consider Brothers now one of. them's one of of them's gone to heaven.

but the other one I consider a brother. you know it was it was the three of us. me Mike and Mike and we grew up together. and uh one of the mics died when I was. uh 19 o died in a car accident yeah yeah. so yeah that changes you yeah it does y. did you stay in the town yep I did until. I was. 25 where'd you go traveled all over the. country putting in natural gas.

pipelines really yeah running from. myself what do you. mean well I was. uh you know I I played too hard you know. work hard drink even harder on the. weekends and yeah. um each town I there were temporary jobs. you go into a town you lay a pipe and. you leave and each time i' go into go. into a town I say it's going to be. different this time you know and it was.

never any different just the partying. yeah the partying and it progressed. started just drinking and it got into. drugs and just you know it was a time in. my life when at one time I was going to. I was going to make a career of. pipelining yeah and then at 31 I sobered. up and I tried to keep pipelining I. realized it it's just when I quit. drinking I had to let things go how. how'd you sober.

up well they TR first tried to put me in. rehab at 13 and I wouldn't go 13 years. old yes yes they wouldn't take me up to. Bango because uh the doctor says uh the. doctor was talking to me said I I don't. got a problem with alcohol I love. alcohol at that time it was just it was. it was just uh it was just drinking at. that time I believe yeah and then at 15. I went in I spent three or four days in.

detox because I ate too many volumes. yeah and ended up in rehab for a month. it's a 28 day program on the 21st day I. got kicked out for. what well I had been reprimanded for. uh something I don't remember what but. one of the ways they punished you is at. that time you could smoke right in rehab. you know yeah well and uh no cigarettes.

for you so I was like yeah okay and so I. got in the line to get my daily. cigarette or whatever it was it was a. long time. ago and uh got up the line got the. cigarette went back to the smoking area. I had a lighter I was just about to. light it and the nurse realized that I. wasn't supposed to have a cigarette so. she bolted over to me and took my. cigarette said you can't have that.

you're being punished I said oh really. and she's walking away I said take your. F and lighter too and I threw it at her. and had I hit her with that lighter I. would have had to go to myc main Youth. Center oh I missed thank God and uh they. booted me that was the end of. that damn yeah did you get a rehab again. after that uh 10 years later yeah. 25 and I checked my myself in I had a.

massive cocaine problem and all I really. wanted to do was quit that yeah so when. I got out of there I stayed sober for a. little while of course started back and. that's when I started pipelining yeah I. actually got hired I got hired in uh the. paper mill in Rumford while I was in. rehab and I told them I said I'm in. rehab right now cuz I had passed all. their testing and they wanted me and. they called me up said okay let's come.

to work I said well small problem I'm in. rehab right now oh that's okay when you. get out come on so I did I went to work. for where I lasted 10 days and quit why. I went back log and I couldn't stand it. yeah it was inside it was toxic yeah all. my co-workers were overweight and bald. and unhappy yeah and do you think it. makes you bald work cing a paper mill I. don't know about that I probably you. know that was probably mean but it just. it just didn't look happy no I agree I.

was an outdoor Enthusiast you. know and I just so I left you know I. left and went back logging and shortly. thereafter I jumped on they were laying. a natural gas pipeline in per Y and I. got hired on that and that was a godsent. it was uh the wages were high the the. the outdoor it was grueling it was hard. work and mud and equipment and laying.

pipe across like how are we going to lay. a pipe across that you know was a. granite ledge or something swamp yeah. River Crossings just unreal stuff tyeing. Crews you know where all the prestige is. on a pipeline tyeing crew and uh are the. ones that connect the pipes connect the. pipes in the hard spots Mainline lays it. in the easy spots and the tiing crews. come in and connect the pipe in all the. difficult areas the swamps yeah so yeah.

I got on that and started working that. and it was it was my thing I loved it I. was going to make a career out of it. yeah and uh I did it for seven years. until I realized it was killing me you. know not not so much the work but the. the night life cuz with pipelining in a. different town every six months came bar. life yeah living in a motel and lots of. drugs and do all the guys go out. together at night not all of them not. all of them not there there was sober.

good hardworking normal people yeah but. you know I I wasn't one of them I was a. party animal and. and they like that you know what they. likeed you to work hard and play even. harder well when you're working hard you. can party hard for a while Y how did you. end up. stopping it sounds like you've been. trying to stop for like a long time I. knew I don't know. I I left South Chicago on a job and I uh.

headed east to another. job I quit one job was headed to another. I wanted to make a. change and. uh when I got to the east coast it was. either head south to that job or head. home and try to straighten my ass out. and I was in trouble I knew I was afraid. I was afraid my mom was going to go to. my funeral wow it was really in my mind. you know and at that time I didn't know.

I had a h condition but you could just. feel there was something wrong yeah I I. was living hard you know doing a lot of. drugs snor a lot of cocaine yeah putting. chunks of you know Gram chunks of. cocaine in my coffee in the morning does. that work work be party all night smoke. crack all night long sleep for 10. minutes go to work six days a week. sometimes seven wow it was intense it. sounds intense I made a ton of money I. had at the end of it I had my apart my.

my room would pay be paid my truck would. be paid I'd had top hours of working. Foreman yeah and they just throw money. at you and you try real hard and I just. I didn't want to die I didn't want my. mom going to the F to my funeral cuz I. knew it would kill her so you've been to. rehab three times at this point did you. quit in rehab a fourth time no really no. by this time I had been taught enough I. knew where the help was it was a 12-step.

program that I had been to before yeah. one Monday morning I woke up and things. were different I don't know to this day. I don't know what happened but things. just were different I knew I was in. trouble. um and instead of going to the store and. buying beer because that's what I wanted. to do that morning yeah I woke up on my. stepfather's couch I was living at the. time on my stepdad's couch I I had a. pickup and that's it I didn't have a pot.

to piss in or a window to throw it out. yeah so I. uh I just went to a meeting I went to a. meeting that that Monday night and I've. been sober ever since that's amazing how. long's it been be 20 years in. March. wow how have you been able to stay sober. all that time. God yeah he yeah I I made a. decision you know shortly after that I.

met a. gentleman. um he's deceased now his name was Kip. Cummings and he became my sponsor and he. saved my life I could relate to him he. was a grumpy old man yeah and he was. black and white if you do this you get. that result and I responded to that he'd. say there are clear-cut directions in. this book and you'll get this result and. I've always been able to read directions.

and do something yes that's how my mind. works yeah um and it made sense to me. and he reminded me of like my. grandfather or my father yeah I kind of. you know I like old mean old men who are. you know you could tell they've worked. hard yeah and they've been through the. ringer and I could relate to them yeah. I've always been around people like that. so he helped me he just taught me how to. to become a man how to stay sober and.

and he he's he died a few years. back but he he he just taught me how to. be a grown-up was he right I mean did. your life change for the better once you. got sober well it slowly has it's I'm in. the process of changing my life it's. been a long journey yeah I. uh I quit drinking doing drugs I was. straight up for a year and a half. and and not everybody knows this this is.

this. is but uh I couldn't take the pressure. of life I started smoking pot. yeah so it took me a long time I I. didn't want to be I felt like a. hypocrite trying to help people to get. sober you know talk in a. meeing then get high on the ride home. yeah so I had a lot of hypocritical. feelings up towards. myself but uh. March 13 2021 I was able to kick.

that what do you so shortly after they. legalize it I was about to say it's. legal in your state what you the worst. idea ever I voted no. why it's just not sending a good message. yeah it's just not it's it's do we want. to promote drugs do we really want to or. do we want to. just I don't I don't know what the. answer answer.

is I don't want to chase around a bunch. of potheads and spend a bunch of money. on it yeah I also don't want to just. have it be okay and be I mean maybe you. know know the tobacco campaigns that. they have yeah why don't we have weed. campaigns telling you well you tell me I. mean you've used a lot of drugs you. smoked a lot of weed in your life why do. you clearly made me Dumber it put me in. a little bubble so I couldn't relate. with people yeah.

it instead of relying on my higher power. God Jesus. Christ I relied on marijuana you know. and before that it was alcohol before. that was cocaine you know all the stuff. my higher power now is. God God J that God you. know that has evolved it started out. as I I wasn't a Godly person when I quit. drinking yeah but I learned through a.

12-step program and. eventually Through the Bible that that. is the answer to all our problems I. believe in my yes yes I. agree so a as someone who smoked a lot. of marijuana you think it is bad for. people yes I. do that's an unpopular thing to say yeah. why because people don't want to hear it. yeah they don't want to hear they don't.

want to hear it um I have a lot of. successful friends that smoke daily yeah. so it's you can't if you don't ever see. the insanity it's like cigarettes yeah. where's the insanity it's easy to see. how bad alcohol is for you yeah or. cocaine or crack or heroin but marijuana. is so. Insidious it's so. mild it's hard to. see how what holding you back I mean.

myself. personally I became a better businessman. a better. parent I can remember numbers now you. know I can it's just better I'm not in. that bubble I can relate to people I can. I can see people in Mills market and. start up a conversation with them. instead of running out the door because. I smell like a skunk yeah you. know how where did you get your politics.

from I'd say my Uncle Esau your Uncle. Esau my Uncle Esau I think that's a song. isn't it I don't know I don't. know you know I it's funny I have never. met another Esau except for people in my. family and then just the other day I was. listening to a podcast on the radio and. there was this dude named Esau a black. guy named EA who was a pastor and he's. in like Massachusetts and I was. listening to the Bible thumping radio. and this dude was on there his name was.

Esau and I was like wow that was amazing. the first time ever what was your Uncle. Esau like he was a staunch Republican. free market guy yeah yeah yeah where was. he from Auburn M yeah what'd he do he's. still he's still in Auburn he's a pav. yep yeah my whole father's side of the. family were all pavers really ashphalt. pavers yep Cooper paving there's a whole. bunch of them yep. bread to pave pave driveways pave roads.

pave parking lots yep pave pave pave. pave I worked for them for two years out. of out of us when I first got sober I. went to work for my cousin Cooper paven. LLC and I lasted a couple years and had. to move on well what happened I bought. an excavator to fix up a piece of land. of. mine and it kind of evolved and I. started getting side jobs and I finally. said you know what screw it going on my. own that's how I became that's how I get.

into the business do you like it the. business I'm in. y I love what I do I don't necessarily. like the business aspect of it but you. like Excavating yeah wh why I like. taking raw land and creating something. out of it yeah you know I can stand on a. side of a road and look at the Contour. of the land and some folks want it. cleared and they want to put a house and. I can see you know you can.

see you know how it should be and you. get a vision and you do it and it's. awesome it's very rewarding I believe. that yeah it's kind. of. artistic do. you do you notice the difference between. the town you grew up in which you still. live in the way it was when you were a. kid and it is. now where the other than there's a lot. of people I don't know now yeah as far. as the politics goes it's basically the. same what about the country you grew up.

in how is it. different I'm distraught about my. country why because our freedoms are. just being taken away from us daily. the what the what the federal government. is doing to Mr Trump with the like. political persecution and the what is it. called lawfare yeah yeah it's just gross.

it's gross it's gross and I believe. that this is what happened this country. has turned from God and now we're cursed. in the and this is what we got that's my. theory do most people you know like. Trump most people I know yeah yeah why. is Trump so popular in Rural America cuz. of Blue Calla workers yeah we we there's.

very. few educated Elites you know and and. actually there's a couple in our town. and and they don't like Trump really. yeah yeah so it's a class thing as far. as you can tell yeah yeah yeah I have a. friend she's a lady she's she's she was. she she's a liberal you know she's she's. she's a progressive she loes Trump and. that's cool we're still friends you know.

I don't talk politics with her except. sometimes I'll just kind of throw in a. little jab like you know just to get her. goat what do you. say oh she. might try. being um she may she may try to express. uh how do I put. it a a desire to be compassion of uh the.

gender baloney stuff like that and I'll. totally state where I am you. know I guess I recent I she accused me. of being a sexist and I was like uh yeah. I am I guess a sexist I. sorry what did she say laughed you know. she knows me it's all but you sure she. wasn't trying to say. sexy no I don't think so because she's. like 70.

[Laughter]. something I don't think. so but she's yeah I just think she's. crazier than a house rat yeah and. it's okay because there's a lot of crazy. people in Andover you know what I mean. oh I weren't supposed to use that name. what what percentage of your town do you. think will vote for. Trump I 50 60 yeah yeah I mean there. there's there's a bunch. of people that just refuse to see the.

truth I have. a someone in my family. is all hates Trump gonna vote Democratic. and he just I'm not going to say his. name but it just it's like I If you go. principal if you stand there and you. talk on principes okay we believe in. this we believe in this we believe in. this we're just the same yeah but when. it comes voting. day check the Democrat IC box how do you.

so a lot you live in Maine which is run. by. socialists who are oh you don't like the. leadership of the state I don't like our. current Secretary of State y he got on. the bad side of me you with the whole. taking trying trying to take Mr Trump. off the the primary ballot but it does. it seems like that's very far away from. where you live like it's a totally. different.

world well not if you I watch the news. yeah yeah I mean. this if you watch the news I I I'm kind. of a News Junkie I I watch so where do. you get your news like what yeah like. you I mean you live you know hours from. the nearest airport so it's pretty far. away right MH where do you how do you. find out what's going on in the world. what do you read what do you watch TV y. i uh I used to be a I used to watch a.

lot of Fox News yeah matter of fact I. watched it as often as my family would. let me yep you know I turn Fox on and my. wife and my kids would be like oh here. we go again you know because they they. just had it they don't want but I I. listen to the news two three nights a. week maybe. four so the day they fired your ass yep. was the last day I I have not watched 10. seconds of fox since they fired you have.

you caught your way for kids watching. nope just on principle just well F you. just on principle just because I just. think it was. wrong because it was obvious that they. were putting pressure you were telling. the truth in my opinion you were telling. the truth about a bunch of stuff and you. got too close to the truth and they got. rid you so that's just my thing on that. so where do you go now I go now I'm. watching Newsmax now I'm a Newsmax guy. what do you. think well it's all right it's grown on.

me you go on the internet no not not for. news no what's your shirt. mean this is a direct retort to Joe. Biden's speech that he gave last week. where he basically called all Trump. supporters domestic terrorists yeah okay. let's brand domestic terrorism as. cool. huh that's what I'm.

saying because I I'm a Bible thumping. hardworking Blue Collar you know I got a. few guns I'm no gun expert but I got a. few you know I hunt fish I will die for. my country oh that's a good story I. tried to go into the service yeah I. scored like in the 99 percentile on my. asvabs I believe it my junior. year so my senior year and I was all. advanced entry or whatever you call it.

right during Desert. Storm so I was all enlisted my junior. year my senior year this General where'd. you go to high school telar yep. bethl my senior year this General comes. in and uh he wants to get inside my head. see what I'm good at I'm like yeah so I. get in the room with him and I stopped. being honest with the guy I told him. what I had going I wanted wanted to get. out of here I wanted change my life I I.

told him I had you know I was partying. and you know I was honest with him and. at the end of that meeting he's like we. we don't want. you why why because of the you know the. partying the drugs the the drama the you. know yeah it didn't it wouldn't take. me. so they're loss you know may maybe maybe. I. you know maybe that was God you know.

maybe he didn't want me to go because I. might have popped yeah you know what I. mean might have got in there and tried. too hard and just exploded on the thing. and I wouldn't be here sitting with you. talking with you embarrassing my kids. and. what wow um so you partied too hard for. the US Army yes yes yeah they wouldn't. take I was. honest I didn't realize I was supposed. to lie if someone would have said don't.

tell the guy that you don't tell him. about your personal things just say yes. or no sir and no one told me I just I. told them what I had going on it was my. ticket to ride I'm getting out of here. I'm going to go straighten my life out. and be somebody and he's like no you. don't want. you did you so obviously it changed your. view though because you did leave for a. while on the pipeline but then you came. back. yeah to your town are you happy that you.

did that yeah well mainly because my mom. she's aging yeah and I live a thousand. feet from her now and that's why I live. in Andover yeah yeah I I found a few. cool places in the country that I could. have stayed at you. know but I I basically came and lived. where I lived because my mom my I have. two sisters yeah one's. deceased one's still with us but they. had moved away one lived in New York one.

lived in. Virginia uh and she you know my my mom. and my stepdad were getting age up there. in the age and I felt. obligated to come home and help them. live up the rest of the years are you. glad you did oh absolutely absolutely. yeah what do you think of the Cities. now well it's. atrocious it's atrocious I I. I I don't even know what to say about it.

they've gone so. far Crazy. Town that you know the real estate. prices in our town are stupid now. because everybody wants to get out of. the city yeah they're all moving up this. way and you know with that's good for. business but don't bring your fraking. laws with you you know what I mean yeah. I don't mind people I like people. actually do like people yeah but I don't.

like their rules and regulations and all. that it's creeps me out it does do you. think they'll bring them oh most likely. you. know one thing you can count on in life. and that it's going to change yeah and. the Liberals are going to show up and. wreck everything yep yep maybe we'll. have to move north you know maybe we'll. have to you live pretty close to Canada. already yeah.

I had a cool story about Canada what is. it we I went to Canada on my 18th. birthday sh Brook yeah went to the yeah. and had a really good time that's all. I'm going did you wind up in jail can. you go back to no but I should have gone. to jail but I didn't get caught anything. related to cows or what did you do give. us no no no now just uh a bad parallel. parking job and intoxicated behind the. wheel nothing too serious yeah I think. you can parallel park any way you want.

in Canada I think is it okay to move the. vehicle and take the. spot not if it's not your vehicle it's. not no yeah. uh there's just been so many there's so. many things. that. have I've I have a lot of lives I I not. so much now you know but back in the day. I am lucky to be alive well now though. too though you're sober and you're going.

to church and you've got a family and. thriving business and. everything the ride on mower racing and. then stock car racing yeah yeah yeah so. ever you've had like just let's start. with the r of mowers you've had mishaps. right yeah what. happened crashed got hurt a little bit. and just kept doing it you know what I. mean you just make pretend don't hurt. and. yeah I don't I don't know what happened.

I mean I got bum KNE bum arm bum neck. but that's not just from that that's i'. I've trashed and smashed a lot on a lot. of stuff like what snowmobiles back when. I used to drink yeah I wreck a. snowmobile every winter just basically. every winter and have to get another one. on on trees trees and rocks and Brooks. and lot of people in Maine die in snow. people die on snowmobiles yeah. I can't believe I'm not one of those. people actually so now you race at a big.

track in Oxford Maine well I used to I. did it for two years yeah they got rid. of the trucks this year they canned them. no more trucks racing at Oxford this. year. why I don't know but. so my wife never really liked it so I'm. just kind of going to back away from it. you know you had a pretty bad crash. though did yeah yeah but it it didn't. hurt yeah it was really cool I got out.

of the truck and did a bow and the crowd. loved it what what happened to your. truck nothing I mean it. dented dented it but broke some bent. bent spindles and broke a few rims and. smashed the windshield and but my. stepdad in his garage with one leg fixed. it in a week we rased the following week. really yeah yeah while I worked. yeah day I'd go there in the evening.

he'd be pounding and smashing on' be all. bloody. knuckled got already and we didit we. went we raced again and the following. week I did it again in practice and that. was embarrassing that wasn't cool like. the first time the second time was. embarrassing what did you do the second. time we were in practice and a guy came. underneath me and poked me and I spun. sideways and rolled like four times did. an endo and crashed you did an end. overend yeah I don't know I didn't see. it but they told me they told me if last.

week's crash was an 8.5 this week's was. a 10 that's what one guy told me so I. was like all right yeah but it wasn't it. was embarrassing this time it was. embarrassing so when you're in a vehicle. on a track at high speed and it's going. end over end or side over side what are. you. thinking please stop before I run into. something that's what I was thinking the. first time when I was bar rolling I was. bar rolling down Victory Lane yeah. I was like ah it was like took forever.

you know what I mean and then when I. came to stop I was on my roof and I'm. like oh okay so the lady come over she. said you all right I'm like yeah yeah. I'm fine so I put my hand down I could. smell gas I put my hand down and it was. all wet with gas so then I'm like trying. to freak were you were you smoking no no. but I was afraid you know one little. spark you know the truck's hot you've. been racing oh yeah there there's a. chance of fire so kind got a little. nerved up and I couldn't get my belt.

undone cuz I was kind of tripping out a. little bit and finally when I got done I. went smashed down on the roof and I got. out and I was all covered with gas but. there was no fire and it was all good. and I got out and I was a little discula. and I turned towards the crowd and I did. a bow and they just went nuts and they. loved it and it was awesome was your. wife there NOP think she. wasn't so let me just ask you finally. about Trump more a little more. specifically okay. so I asked you what you're mad about in.

America and the second thing you said. was they're they're persecuting Trump. political grounds what do you like about. Trump he tells it how it. is he's Pro business and he's anti. swamp what do you mean anti-. swamp in our government there's a bunch. of. people that. all they do is keep making the.

government bigger and bigger and bigger. to give themselves jobs they have a. budget and they make sure they have they. spend every penny of it so that they can. get more instead of trying to save some. money because they're all worried that. they won't get as much in the next. year's budget so they spend every dime. every year all the time and that's what. happens to bureaucracy job one of a. bureaucracy is to make itself bigger and. Trump Rec Iz that and he he tried.

cleaning it out tried tried making it. work right work like a decent business. and they. they that's why they hate him so much. that's why the left hates Trump is. because he was trying to make our. business our our government. honest. and work for the people beneficial to. you and I you know y he wanted to do. that and. he. exposed the lies you know what I mean he.

exposed the the. corruption. and that's why they're doing what. they're doing to him could you imagine. how successful his presidency had been. if he' uh if. he hadn't had all the push back. by the left by the by the powers that be. by the. Press you imagine what we could have got. done in the past because it would have. been eight years he would have got.

elected the second time if it weren't. for the Press yeah I and that's another. thing I I lay blame to them they they. there's no Free Press anymore there. they're not they used to be they used to. hold the politicians accountable now. only if you're a republican do you get. held accountable you're a Democrat you. just ignore you you know make only talk. about it's it's. so. oh drives me up a wall if Trump was here.

what would you say to him I'd shake his. hand i' ask him if he was looking for. any. help and then I tell him he's got my. vote in the. fall I wouldn't bother making any. suggestions on what I think he should do. to win because I know he wouldn't. listen that's about it. ESU Cooper it was great to see you at.

lunch yeah and I'm glad you came thank. you thanks for having me I'm humbled. well I'm humbled that you would come. yeah it's uh you know once in a lifetime. opportunity well thank. you hey it's Tucker Carlson the internet. is crowded with interesting things that. don't really matter on TCN we attempt to. bring you interesting things that. actually do matter and a lot of them. interviews long form and short report. videos documentaries you can find all of.

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