Tucker on What the Violent ICE Protests Are Really About and What It Means for White America

Good evening. The single biggest political  issue divide in the United States right now. is ICE. Minneapolis is a disaster tonight. There  is widespread violence, mob violence. There is. political turmoil, chaos really. We're going to  be going live there in a moment. Nick Sorder who's. been covering all this and shot some amazing  video will speak to one of the pastors of the. church that was invaded by lunatics by anti-ICE  activists. It really is the mobilizing force on.

the left and it's the focus of much of the right  and it's about a lot of different things. On the. surface it's about of course who has authority  over the borders. Does federal authority mean. anything? It's about law enforcement. To what  extent can you pursue criminals in your own. country? It's of course about immigration.  ICE standing for immigration and customs. enforcement of course, but big picture it's about  something much bigger. And that's why it's become.

such a passionate divide. The battle over ICE is  really a battle over demographic change in the. United States. Who gets to live here? Which is  always and everywhere the fundamental question. in any country. Who lives there? Who are these  people? What are they like? And in our country, that question has basically not been addressed out  loud for the past 60 years, even as the population.

of the United States has changed dramatically.  And that's one of the reasons the battle over. ICE and its jurisdiction and what to do with all  the people living in the United States illegally. has become so passionate and so fraught because  no one is saying out loud what exactly this is. about. And so as a first step to making things  better, it would help to see things clearly. So. let's talk about what exactly is going on in the  United States and why it's led to the battles in.

say Minneapolis. What's happening in the United  States is a wholesale change of who lives here, total demographic change. Now, some have  called this replacement. And the question is, is it really replacement? So, we thought  we would look it up. If you were someone. following along at home trying to figure out,  you know, what is everyone so mad about? What. is this great replacement theory? You might  go, as almost everybody does, first to Google.

and just type in great replacement theory. AI  would come up with the following result. This. is hot off Google AI. Here's what it says. If  you look up great replacement theory on Google, we're quoting the Grace Replacement theory is a  debunked, meaning untrue, far-right, meaning Nazi, white nationalist, meaning racist, conspiracy,  claiming that white populations, particularly. in Europe and the US, are being deliberately  replaced by non-white immigrants and minorities, often orchestrated by replaces, leading to  demographic shifts and cultural erosion,

fueling extremist violence and anti-immigrant  sentiment. That's one sentence. by the way a. run-on sentence, but it is AI and it's quite a  sentence and it tells you point blank this is. not true. Anyone who believes in it is deranged  and is stoking violence simply by believing in. it. And it goes on to explain how this works. The  theory quote posits that mass migration, declining. white birth rates, and political agendas by elites  are intentionally replacing white populations.

It has inspired numerous acts of mass murder  violence with perpetrators often citing this. theory. Research shows that endorsers of the  great replacement theory often hold antisocial. traits, authoritarian views, and negative  attitudes toward minorities and immigrants. In other words, once again, believing that  the population of this or any other country. is being manipulated by people in power and the  people who were born here are being replaced by.

people who weren't believing that is not only  wrong. It's misinformation. It's been debunked. It's also dangerous. You can kill people by  believing that. Well, how does that work exactly? It doesn't sound like a cool objective analysis  of the theory of replacement. It sounds instead. like well a political screed, but maybe even more  than that. It sounds like an article of religious.

faith. You're not allowed to believe this. Only  bad people believe it. It's apostasy. It could. lead to death believing that. And that seemed a  little emotional for us. So we decided instead to. consult the science because obviously we believe  the science and the science as always begins with. numbers, things that are quantifiable, that are  measurable. And one of the ways we know the truth.

about who lives here is through the census taken  every 10 years. It's in the constitution. And that. provides us not precise numbers, but a pretty  accurate general picture most of the time and. certainly overtime of who lives here. So, let's  start because it's a easy and obvious place to. start. The beginning of the post-war era, peak  America, 1950, the first post-war census. And I. think everyone would agree, whether they're right  or wrong, that this is a period remembered as the.

best time in America, 1950. United States is an  an industrial power. It's the leader of the West, if not really the world. And America domestically  is pretty harmonious, thriving, happy. Let's take. a look at who lived in America in 1950. And let's  do that by taking a closer look at the population. of the top six cities, which at the time were,  and this tells you a lot right here. New York was.

number one, Chicago was number two, Philadelphia  was number three, Los Angeles number four, Detroit number five, Baltimore number six. Kind of  hard to imagine, but in 1950, not that long ago, within living memory, those were the numbers.  So, here's what they were. The biggest city in. the United States then and now was New York City.  New York City in 1950 was 90% white. 71 million. New Yorkers out of 7.9 million were white. Chicago  in 1950 was 86% white. Philadelphia over 80%. Los.

Angeles 94% white. 94% white. That's almost an  ethnost state actually at that point. Detroit, Detroit, Michigan, home of Ford, GM, and Chrysler,  84% white. Baltimore, steel and shipping capital. of the Mid-Atlantic, 76% white. That was 1950.  You know, people who were alive in 1950. Maybe. you were. Here are the numbers today. Baltimore  27% white. Detroit about 10% white, down from.

84. Los Angeles again 94% about 37% white. Now  Philadelphia 36%. Chicago less than 30%. And New. York City, again the biggest city in the country,  is now around 30% white, down from 90% in 1950. So you think to yourself, well maybe these  cities have just shrunk and a lot of them have.

Baltimore, Detroit, Philadelphia, Chicago, all  much smaller than they were. What's interesting. is that New York is bigger than it was. But a  million people more live in New York than they. did in 1950. And yet the proportion of whites  has declined well from 90% to 30. But so is the. absolute number. New York has lost about 4 million  white people even as it gained a million people in. population. What is that? Now, in some of these  cities, there are economic reasons for this,

right? A lot of African-Americans moved up from  the south to work at the auto plants in Detroit, to work at the harbor, at the shipyards, the steel  plant in Baltimore, etc., etc., etc., but not. all of it. And in New York City, almost all the  demographic change is the result of immigration. And that began in 1965, which is definitely within  living memory of a lot of people watching this.

right now. So that's another and very long way  of saying the great replacement is not only real, it's the realest thing there is and it's provably  true. So, why would they go out of their way. to tell you it's a debunked far-right racist  conspiracy theory believed in only by antisocial. lunatics who commit mass murder? Well, probably  because it's true. And in telling you that, whoever wrote that, you have to ask yourself,  who would write that and why? And it's not just,

of course, in AI and Google or Wikipedia. It's  everywhere. There's almost nobody who admits. that that's true, even though it's provably true.  It's indisputably true. In fact, there's a list on. Wikipedia of all the people who believe in it, the  thought criminals who believe this could possibly. be true. Apparently, people who don't have access  to census numbers don't believe it's true. But, you know, the 19 figures in American public life  who do have access to the census numbers somehow.

believe this is true. But they're telling you  it's not. But what they're leaving out of course. is that demographic change is a constant through  history and it is almost always mass demographic. change. Turnover replacement is almost always the  result of human choice. Populations change because. leaders decide they should change. Population  demographics. The question of who lives within.

the borders of a country is not only a concern of  leaders of governments. It is the main concern. It's the main thing they think about. So the rest  of us imagine that the government concerns itself. with collecting taxes, schools, national defense,  and those are all concerns. But we are thinking. way too small. The people who run countries who  map out the future of civilizations think in much. larger terms than the rest of us. This is not  a guess, by the way. This is true. They think.

in terms of who lives here, what do they like?  How many of them are there? And there are plenty. of levers that they can move to change those  numbers. Obvious not so obvious. War being the. most obvious, killing people, unleashing  pandemics on them, obvious. less obvious. Encouraging different ways of living, encouraging  birth control or abortion, scrambling the genders, encouraging women to work outside the home has one  of the largest effects on demographics, of course,

because women who work during childbearing years  are much less likely to have lots of children. In. fact, many of them won't have any children. And  that has proven true over time across the world. We're excited to tell you about a new project from  Amazon MGM called Melania. For years, the people. in charge have tried to tell you who she is, but  they didn't show you who she is. Now you can see. for yourself. Every protocol, every precaution,  every single move, meticulously coordinated. This.

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economic goal. Short-term might be who's going to  pick the grapes in California? Oh, better get some. Mexicans. Understandable. Most people are familiar  with that. Others might be longer term adjustments. to changes that no one can really control like  AI. Oh, wait a second. We're not going to need. as many people here because machines are going to  do a lot of the work. How are we going to support. these people? That might be another reason. And  of course, there might be darker motives or more.

basic motives like the innate human desire to  conquer other people to replace your group with my. group. That's not a conspiracy theory. That's the  entire story of history. Mass movements of people. by force has been a constant since the Babylonian  captivity and probably before unrecorded. That. is the story of history and it's all around us,  but we don't even notice. The history of Ireland.

is that story. Ireland, which is an island near  England, was after Henry VIII Catholic. England. was Protestant. The English took over Ireland,  Ireland, it was their colony. And in order to make. it more compliant and to control the people there  and to impose their culture on a foreign peoples, they moved many thousands of foreigners into  Ireland. There were the AngloIrish or Brits who.

moved to Ireland. That was the ruling class of the  country. There were the ScotsIrish who were moved. from Scotland into Ireland. And in so doing,  a Protestant region of the country was created. called Olter. It's still there. It's still mo at  least half Protestant. And at one point, the Brits. move moved the Hugenos in the 17th century from  France. They were a mostly forgotten group now, but they were expelled from France during the  series of Catholic Protestant religious conflicts. that swept through Europe after Martin Luther.  And the Brits said, "Well, I've got an idea. Why.

don't you move to Ireland?" and they move them  to Ireland, mostly to Dublin. Why? To change the. demographic balance of Ireland to make it easier  to subdue and to rub the noses of the people in. their culture to replace the culture, the customs,  the religion of the indigenous population because. they could. That's why that's how people have done  it throughout history. And by the way, then they.

went farther in Ireland, not to dwell in Ireland,  but it's very interesting actually. Not only did. they move all kinds of foreigners into Ireland  to change the demographic mix to affect a great. replacement, they began to change the national  monuments. Oh, that's weird. Have you seen that. before? St. Patrick's Cathedral in the middle of  Dublin. Got to be one of the biggest ca Catholic. shrines in Ireland. They made it Anglican. No  longer Catholic. It's Anglican now. Jonathan.

Swift preached there. Actually, an AngloIrishman  and so did many others. But in the center of this. Catholic country, the colonial power moved non-  indigenous people in in order to make the case. this is ours now. And you see that everywhere.  When the street across from the White House gets. repainted in Black Lives Matter colors, it's kind  of a species of that, right? When the Confederate. statues are torn down in Richmond and New Orleans,  is it really an effort to improve the lives of.

local black people? No. Of course, it didn't work.  Didn't have any effect. No. It was a matter of. cultural imperialism. We run this now. Down with  your monuments, up with ours. It's Pride Week. It is the most recognizable pattern in history.  It's one people conquering another. It's what the. Mongols did in the 13th and 14th century. They  swept through China. They swept all the way to.

Europe, of course, across Russia, famously.  And they completely changed the populations. of half the world. It was the largest empire  in history by land mass. And along the way, they also did something that no one likes  to talk about. They raped a lot of women. Why' they do that? Well, partly to spread their  genetics. Just a fact. We can say this cuz it. was the Mongols. It was a long time ago. Genghask  Khan, the head Mongol, the creator of that empire,

has 16 million living descendants in the world  today. 16 million. That tells you what a prolific. rapist he was. But why did he do that? So he would  have 16 million descendants. Of course, the rape. of Berlin after the war, the rape of Nan King  at the beginning of the war. Untold mass rapes. through history. These are acts of violence and  brutality and subjugation, of course. But they're.

also acts of demographic change. That's what  they are. Not endorsing that, decrying it. It's. disgusting. But it's also real and it's happened  throughout history. one people conquering another. And these are decisions not made organically, not  like millions of people get together and decide. let's change the demographics of a continent,  a region. Let's destroy a people. These are. decisions made by leaders each and every single  time. China takes Tibet. What's the first thing.

they do? Move HanChinese into Tibet. Why do they  do that? Well, to subjugate, to make a point. Ours. is superior culture to yours, but also to control.  Once again, this is not a conspiracy theory. This. is the story of recorded history, and it's a story  of the present day, obviously. And only a country.

completely divorced from history, from human  nature, from reality itself could ever fall for, ooh, it's a debunked far-right white nationalist  conspiracy theory. Really? No, it's not. It's. just the opposite. It's the realest thing that  ever happened. And that's not even a judgment. It's just a fact. When you want to control a  place, you change the demographics. In 1947,

mandate Palestine, what's now Israel, was about  80% Arab. The next year was what, like 32% Arab. the next year after the War of Independence  in 1948. I'm not attacking anyone at all, but the point is Israel was a majority Jewish  country on day one. That was the whole point.

of displacing everybody. We're here now.  You're gone. It was a great replacement. Not casting aspersions, just saying that  all wars are in in effect that they're all. that way. Every one of them, including the one  that we're living through that is undeclared, that no one will admit is happening because it's  a conspiracy theory, but it's the realest thing. that ever happened. So then we get to the question  of motive, like why is this happening? Why would.

you do that? Why would you want to do that? Why  would you want to hurt people and erase them? Well, the most obvious motive would be power. And  that's usually the motive or one of the motives. And in this country, it's really clear that one  of the reasons this is happening is because the. Democratic Party and their overlords, who are not  partisan, they're just the biggest shareholders in. the country, the richest people in the country,  would like to have uncontested power. And so if.

you let in tens of millions of immigrants, illegal  aliens over 60 years, you're probably going to. reach a point where they just openly participate  in the political system where they get a vote, thereby diluting, replacing the voters who don't  vote for you. This is clearly the plan. It's. always been the plan, part of the plan. And Stacy  Abrams, who was a perennial candidate in Georgia.

and somehow very famous, not exactly clear why,  but had one sort of unique talent. She was dumb. enough to say this out loud. Here's Stacy Abrams  in 2018. The Blue Wave is African-American. It's. white. It's Latino. It's AsianPacific Islander.  It is disabled. It is differently aabled. It is. LGBTQ. Yes, it is law enforcement. It is veterans.  Yes, it is made up of those who've been told that.

they are not worthy of being here. It is comprised  of those who are documented and undocumented. She's rolling. She's trying to remember who's in  the coalition. The aabled. The what do we call. them? Crippled. No. No. Differently aabled.  Differently aabled. She's like going through. the litany. white, black, Latino, Pacific  Islander, people from Fiji, the gays, sorry,

LGBTQ questioning whatever the documented, the  undocumented. Oh, wait a second. Stacy Abrams, did you just say that illegal aliens are going  to vote in elections? Federal elections? I think. that's against the law. No, whatever. You can't  stop her. Stacy Abrams, no one no one has the. brass to tell her to slow down. hate to brag,  but we're pretty confident this show is the. most vehemently pro- dog dog podcast you're ever  going to see. We can take or leave some people, but dogs are non-negotiable. They are the  best. They really are our best friends. And so,

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thinks that's not true isn't being honest with  himself and isn't being reality based. This is. not about the economy. Why would you 5 years ago  at the beginning of the Biden administration when. you know cuz you're promoting it that AI is right  around the corner and we're going to need a lot. less labor really really soon and we're talking  about oh wow I guess we we're going to have to. give people guaranteed income because they're just  going to have nothing to do all day at that exact. moment. Why would you move in tens of millions of  lowskilled laborers with eighth grade eighth grade.

educations? Like what are they going to do?  No one even addressed the question because it. had nothing to do with why they were brought in.  wasn't to help the United States. And of course, mass migration has not helped the United States.  One very obvious point that lingers in the air, you don't even want to address it because it's  so depressing, is how are those six cities we. mentioned at the outset doing today in 2026, the  six biggest cities in the country in 1950. Again, it was New York, Chicago, Los Angeles,  Detroit, Philadelphia, Baltimore. I mean,

they're nice places in some of those cities.  Some of them are just slums, actually. And. there are complicated reasons why manufacturing  died. Some of those are big manufacturing hubs, of course. Immigration is not the only reason.  Nothing is ever the only reason. But all of those. cities were completely changed by immigration.  And they all got way worse. Much worse. Like much,

much worse. Philadelphia, really? Baltimore,  Detroit. So it didn't help. And in some places. like Los Angeles, it just destroyed the city  completely and destroyed the state. Completely. destroyed the state. You want to know what's  wrong with California? Too much immigration. It was amazing state in 1980. I remember it well.  You wouldn't want to live there now. And because. the governor is like a white liberal, you sort  of forget that the people live in California. look nothing like the people who live there in  1980 at all when it was the least corrupt and.

most functional state with the best schools  and the lowest poverty rate. It now has more. poverty than any state. It's got more immigrants  than any state. There's just a one to one. So, and it's not an attack on the immigrants at all.  Many of whom are hardworking and nice. Some of. whom are not hardworking or nice, but a lot of  them are. Latin immigrants tend to be pretty. great when you when you know them. Enthusiastic  participants in the economy. But taken as a whole,

immigration totally destroyed California just  flat out. There's no other factor meaningful. factor. That's the single biggest factor in the  destruction of California. And you're ordered. to pretend that didn't happen. Oh, but it did  happen. And one of the effects was, as noted, it gave Democrats complete control over the state.  Complete. It's a one party state, period. And you. often run into Republicans from Santa Barbara,  Orange County, or up near Mount Shasta, from. Reading, you know, and they're as conservative  as anybody you've ever ever met in your life.

There's some real right-wingers in California, but  they have no say in anything because they control. nothing because of immigration. It's literally  that simple. So it works and that model will. be repeated unless someone puts the brakes on  immediately across the country. So there are 14. states plus DC as of tonight that have no voter ID  laws. And in some places you're not allowed to ask. for voter ID just flat out. But in 14 states you  need no identification in order to vote. Why is. that? Well, so illegals can vote. It's literally  that simple. It's not more complicated than that.

So illegals can vote. And that means you have  no power if you're a native born American, if you're an actual citizen of the country,  because your vote is being canceled and in places. like California completely overwhelmed by people  who aren't from here who have no right to vote, but they're voting anyway. And what's interesting  is that of the 14 states with no voter ID law, three are in the top five biggest states by  population, three out of our top five biggest.

states have no voter ID law. That's enough  to make those states Democrat. By the way, for the record, those would be California, number  one in all categories, Illinois, and Pennsylvania. have no voter ID. So, that's enough to swing a  presidential election. Sorry, it is. And there's. no way to stop it unless you were to ban and then  enforce voting with no ID. You'd have to enforce. it. But at this point, we're not enforcing much.  And we'll show you how little we're enforcing in.

just a minute. No one is enforcing the law in  a lot of parts of the country. It's becoming in. fact an insurrection and we'll show you that in  a minute. But to the second motive here which is. inescapable and it's almost it is uncomfortable to  talk about but it is the subtext behind a lot of. this is racial triumphalism is hatred is loathing  for the people being replaced which doesn't make. intuitive sense. Why would you be mad at people  you're replacing? Well it's not clear. There.

are obviously spiritual components here too which  probably no mortal understands but they're real. They're evident. What is this? Why would you do  that? Why would you make why you totally change. the population of Australia, New Zealand? Why  would you totally check Canada, Great Britain? Every English-sp speakaking white country is  becoming non-white at very high speed, faster. than any time probably since the Mongol invasions.  So why would you do that? And what happens when.

you do that? Well, it's interesting and this is a  feature of human nature. And it's not just white, black, Hispanic. It's probably all races, but  this is just true. Former majorities don't get. treated well. But you really can't think of a case  where a people has gone from majority to minority. and then was treated well. It just kind of hasn't  happened. Including in this country, by the way, the American Indians, not treated well. carted off  to Oklahoma. Had to walk. Actually, no carts. What.

happened to the white minority in Zimbabwe? They  voluntarily relinquished power. Then they were. killed. South Africa, they're in the process  of being killed. They voluntarily once again. voluntarily relinquish power. They had nuclear  weapons in 1994. Gave up the nuclear weapons, gave up power, went to majority rule system.  It was a peaceful transition. D Clerk Mandela, you remember the scenes from 1994. or how'd that  end? Well, it's not over yet, but the persecution.

of the people formerly in power began very, very  quickly. How did it wind up for the Palestinians? As noted, they were 80% of Israel in 1947, 30%  in 1948. How's it gone for them since? Not well. A lot have been killed. And it's complicated.  They did bad things, too. By the way, the Indians. sculped a lot of people and a partate was bad. I  mean, you know, there are lots of lenses through. which you could view this, but if you stand back,  former majorities who become minorities tend to be.

killed. You hope that's not true, but it seems to  be. And it's especially distressing when you look. at the attitude of people in the United States  who are pushing for mass demographic change. And just to put a tighter focus on it, people who  are pushing for an end to the white majority. Oh,

it's white supremacist to say that. No, it's  not. It's an acknowledgement of reality. And. by the way, if you're looking for hatred,  it's not a lot of white supremacists. Well, even visible in public. Where are all these  white supremacists we keep hearing about? But the people who are concerned about total  demographic change don't seem like the hateful. ones. It's the people espousing it who have a  weird gleam in their eye and a detectable loathing.

in their voice. And very often, and this may be  the darkest feature of it, it's not just hatred, it's selfhatred. And keep in mind that anyone  who will hate himself will have no problem at. all hating and hurting you. Here's Nancy Pelosi a  few years ago. Keep in mind she was the speaker of. the house, third in line to the presidency. And  this is part of a speech she gave on the House. floor about demographic change. Watch this. I'm  reminded of um my own grandson. He's um Irish,

English, whatever, whatever, and Italian American.  He's is the mix, but he looks more like the other. side of the family, shall we say? He's um and when  he had his um sixth fifth birth, sixth birthday, he had a very close friend whose name is Antonio,  who's from Guatemala. And he has beautiful tan.

skin, beautiful brown eyes, and the rest. And  um this was such a proud day for me because when. my grandson blew out the candles on his cake,  they said, "Did you make a wish?" And he said, "Yes, I made a wish." He said, "Well, what is your  wish?" He said, "I wish I had brown skin and brown. eyes like Antonio." So beautiful. So beautiful.  The beauty is in the mix. The face of the future. for our country is uh all American. And that  has many versions. Imagine saying that. I mean,

she's obviously a subgenius. Hasn't thought  this through, but this is her own grandson. And he turns to her and says, "Grandom, I  wish I wasn't born white. I wish I was born. with different eye color, different skin tone.  I wish it was something that I'm not. I wish God. didn't make me this way." Imagine if your own  grandson said that. It would break your heart. It would break your heart. And by the way, it's  only on this topic. I wish I wasn't white. that.

that's okay. If a grandson had said, "Grandom,  I wish I wasn't gay," she would have smacked him. in the face with a ruler. "You were born gay.  Enjoy it." But when he says, "I wish I wasn't. white," she says, "You're right. It's good  to want to be Antonio and not be yourself, not be what God made you." Her own grandson. Has  she been black and gotten up and said, you know, my grandson said to me, my granddaughter  had a white Barbie doll and said, "Grandom,

I I wish I had blonde hair and blue eyes." All  of us would say, "That's awful. God made you. like this." It's sad to want to be something that  you're not. You should be comfortable with the way. you were made. Isn't that a kind of foundational  modern American belief? Except when you're white, it's beautiful when you hate yourself. That's  what she's saying. That's what she said on the. House floor. She became the speaker of the house  twice. So, she speaks not simply for herself,

but for a lot of people, including a lot of  whites like her. And by the way, that's not. compassion. That's hatred. That's saying to a  six-year-old, "No, you were born the wrong way. You are fundamentally flawed. There's nothing you  can do about it. You're not as good as Antonio.

Okay? There's hatred. That is hatred. And it  expresses itself. By the way, Nancy Pelosi is. from Baltimore and she grew up there when it was  85% white. How was it now? She doesn't go back. very often, apparently. Things around the world  are moving so fast right now, it's impossible to. keep up with all of the changes. But we do know  that when those changes happen, markets change,

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for real, the new mayor, everyone's focused on  his foreign policy views. How does he feel about. Israel? Who cares? How does he feel about white  Americans? Well, we know cuz he says, "Well, I'm. going to tax them more cuz they're white." the new  head, his new rental authority lady said recently, "White people own too much. They should rent like  everyone else." Really, that's not justice. That's.

not equity. That's hatred. That's undisguised  hostility toward people for how they look. But because they're increasingly a defeated  people, that's not only okay, it's encouraged. You don't want to be on the wrong side of that.  Not because you're a white supremacist and love. only white people. That's insane. God made  every person, every human being was created.

by God. Period. It's not a matter of loving  only people who look like you, loving only. whites or blacks or whatever. It's a matter of not  hating people on the basis of how they were born. But these dynamics don't change much because  there's something in people that wants to. crush and humiliate the vanquished every  single time. And you'd like to think that. this nation is exceptional in the sense that that  wouldn't happen here, but there's no evidence of.

it at all. As whites became become a smaller  proportion of the US population every year, louder become the calls to hate whites. more open  becomes the hatred, the hostility, the threats of. violence. Crimes against white people like, "Well,  I don't know. The perpetrator was black. You're. white. Every single American knows those crimes  are not punished as vigorously or as harshly as.

the reverse. Everyone knows that and accepts it."  Oh, big mistake to accept that. If there's no such. thing as equality under the law, if you can be  punished more lightly or more severely based. on your race, your ethnicity, your religion,  we're all in trouble. All of us. First of all, we're all degraded because that's the  definition of immoral. Blood guilt is. not real despite what our leaders tell us. And  it's totally possible that you and your group,

your community are going to wind up on the wrong  side of that someday. But for right now, it's very. obvious that whites are on the wrong side of  that. And you can tell by the behavior of the. people at the ICE protest. So this was Minneapolis  just a couple of nights ago. This is a bunch of, of course, primarily white cuz Minneapolis,  one of the last big cities in America with a. sizable white population, running into a church  and threatening the parishioners in the church.

And you've probably seen footage of this, but  listen carefully to the clip you're about to hear, and you can hear effectively racial epithets aimed  at white people. So, two things are going on here. One is the protesters of course hate Christianity,  and they hate whites, white Christians. Now, that's familiar. Very familiar. There's a  lot of hatred toward white Christians. Now, where does that come from? It's obviously  spiritual at its root like everything hard.

to understand exactly why that group is targeted  around the world but we know that it is certainly. that's one of the primary motives in going to  war against Russia destroying Ukraine completely. destroyed Ukraine was destroyed by the west by the  way it was destroyed by Washington and Brussels. who pushed Russia into this war. They wanted this  war. They said they wanted this war. They got the.

war. Very few of their people have been killed in  the war, but hundreds and hundreds of likely over. a million Ukrainians have been killed in this war.  You think Ukraine will be majority Ukrainian in a. 100 years? You think the land in Ukraine will be  owned by Ukrainians in 20 years? No, of course. not. It won't be Russia that did that. It'll  be the West. And you have to wonder why. Well, the fact that Ukraine was white and Christian, one  of the last big concentrations of white Christians.

on the planet, maybe that had something to do  with it. Of course, it did. Obviously, that's not. a far-right conspiracy theory. It's the truth. So  the same attitudes that did that that are at work. in Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and very much  here in the United States were sort of distilled. in the clip you're about to see from a church a  couple of days ago in Minneapolis. Watch this.

Renee, good. Renee, good. Where are  you? Where are you? Where are your. people? Why are you not at Whipple  every day fighting for the humanity, standing for our people? Where are you? You  drink your coffee. You got your jewelry. You. have your nice clothes. But what do  you do? What What do you do to stand. for your Somali and Latino community? I'm not  gonna comment. You have no comment. Exactly. Say your name. Renee. Good. Renee. Good.

All these comfortable white people who are  living lavish, comfortable lives while children. are dragged into concentration camps. You're  living real life, nice lives with your lattes, doing absolutely nothing for your Latino and  Somali brothers and sisters. You You come here. to a man wearing a suit is a preacher. Did Jesus  wear a suit? Did Jesus profit off the words? No. Jesus would die within. You do not touch me. Touch  me again and see what happens. Hey, you can't. You.

are a fake Christian. Why are you not standing  with your Somali and Latino communities? Why do. I not see you out at Whipple every day protesting  this attack on humanity? Where are you? You're. sinners. You're pretending to be Christians. But  we know you live an easy life, don't you? A very. easy life while people are starving. Shame,  man. Is that man capable of violence? Well, he's committing it, of course. Disrupting a  church service. people who mean no one harm, who are committing no crime, who've done  nothing wrong, screaming at him for being white.

Christians. That's it right there. That's it right  there. And you should know that that's not the. last clip like that you're going to see, not just  tonight, but in the future, because that's the. animating spirit behind what you're watching. No  one is making an economic case for mass migration. Nobody is making an economic case for keeping tens  of millions of illegals in this country cuz there.

isn't an economic case for it. There is no case  that begins with let me tell you how this will. make our country better. No one even makes that  case. The case they're making is we are replacing. the people who founded this country, who built the  system for themselves, by the way, with a brand. new people who have very little in common with  those people. And why are we doing that? Because. we hate those people. And it's not just deranged  protesters who are making that case. So are former.

CNN anchors. Here's Don Lemon, who was part of  that protest. He was covering it in the way that. journalists often cover events. They help organize  those events. They're their foot soldiers. We're. just covering it. Okay, here's Don Lemon going on  some podcast with angry middle-aged rich ladies to. talk about how virtuous it is to scream at whites  in Minneapolis. Watch this. Is a certain degree.

of racism there and there's a certain degree of  entitlement. I think people who are, you know, in the religious groups like that, it's not the  type of Christianity that I practice, but I think. that they're entitled and that that entitlement  comes from a supremacy, a white supremacy. And. they think that this country was built for them,  that it is a Christian country, when actually we. left England because we wanted religious freedom.  It's religious freedom, but only if you're a. Christian and only if you're a white male. Huh.  I mean, it's it's hard to you don't ever want to.

take Don Lemon literally because he's disconnected  from reality. And you can say, "Well, actually, he's got a white boyfriend and he lives in the  Hamptons. Who's entitled here?" But it's fruitless. and it diminishes you to rebut a Don Lemon rant  to some facelift lady on the specifics because the. specifics don't matter because it just doesn't  make any sense. It doesn't need to make sense. All you need to understand is the spirit behind  it, which is hate. Hate and resentment and the.

desire for revenge. That's what this is. And  there's no other explanation that anyone's. even offered up other than you some have an  obligation to hurt yourself. And so really, it's time to just be completely honest. This is an  act of hatred and aggression toward the population. of the United States. American citizens, people  who were born here, people whose grandparents were.

born here. They are hated by the people in charge  and have been for a long time. And the plan, which is pretty close to completion actually,  it's not a distant goal. It's like almost here, is to replace them, render them powerless. And  if people like Don Lemon have any say over it, hurt them. Just listen to what they say. You don't  have to conspiracy theorize, just open your eyes. and listen and you can tell what they have planned  for you cuz it's happened in a lot of places. It.

always happens. And so these are fights worth  having actually because it's not about preserving. racial purity. It's about preserving your country  in recognizable form, preserving your life and. the lives of your children. If all of a sudden  there were you lived in a country where 60% of. the people agreed with Don Lemon, how do you  think you'd do? Not well at all. And not only.

would you be stripped of your possessions, not  only would your children be ground into the dust, you'd be lectured as it happened, lectured about  how you deserved it. This is what you get for the. sins of your ancestors. the blood guilt people  would start lecturing you about it. You'd be. treated like the Palestinians in Gaza. It's the  same idea. It's the same idea. You're responsible. for the sins of your ancestors because blood guilt  is real. There couldn't be a more anti-Christian.

worldview than that. It's one of the reasons they  hate Christians because they stand in the way. So because profound questions underly this  argument over ICE, the stakes for us have suddenly. become existential. And the behavior of the people  involved in this has become extraordinary. And all. of this adds up to a pretty remarkable, pretty  shocking scene tonight in Minneapolis. ignored by.

most people in the media, but not by Nick Sorder,  who's a freelance journalist who's been just. taking videos of what he sees. This is a video  that he just shot of a group of friends of Don. Lemons breaking into a law enforcement vehicle and  stealing the weapons out of the back of it. It's. about 2 minutes long. Watch this whole thing for  a more precise sense of where we are right now. Almost there. Oh wow.

Oh my god. Oh my god. Hit the bullets. So, you hate to go right to the  obvious and say storming of the of the Bastile, but whenever you've got a crowd of violencebent  extremists, stealing government weapons,

and running off into the night without being  arrested, you have the potential for revolution. and then great bloodshed in the aftermath of that.  So, it it's almost obvious it doesn't bear saying. out loud, but we will anyway because we love the  obvious. You have to stop this now or else things. will fall apart. Nick Sorder is the man who  shot that video. Uh, and he joins us now. Um,

Nick, can you first of all, thank you for doing  that. This is a true public service, I think, to bring this to the public. Um, what what did  we just see? Can you give some context? Yeah. Yeah. So, Tucker, what I'll tell you is this  happened not far from downtown Minneapolis. So, there are police everywhere all the time, right? I  mean, it's it's pretty it's a pretty concentrated. area with uh with police. And these riers had  2 hours two hours to go through multiple FBI.

vehicles. There's another vehicle that was parked  right behind this one where they were able they. had enough time and they weren't worried  about Minneapolis police showing up. So, they took a tow strap out of the back of a  pickup truck, mounted it to and tied it around. uh the the weapons locker in the other vehicle,  mounted it to the pickup truck, and yanked it out. that way. Uh, and they're not worried at all about  any repercussions from Minneapolis PD. As soon as.

it happened, I went over to uh Minneapolis PD, who  I figured out were about a block away from there, and I gave them the information. I gave them the  description of the individual. I gave them the the. video. I let them take a picture of the person's  face. I gave them the license plate number as. well as the car that he was in. This guy that just  stole not just a rifle, but a select fire rifle, an automatic rifle from an FBI vehicle. They  chose not to go after the vehicle that they could.

see down the street. He hadn't even left yet. But  these cowards that are at the higher ranks of MPD, they're under people like Jacob Fry, who is  basically Mayor Soy Boy. That's what I prefer. to call him. Uh at this point, are uh they've  been cucked. I don't know how else to say it, Tucker. They if you if you knew in a city in let's  say uh rural Georgia that somebody just stole an. automatic rifle and you see them in your sights,  those sheriff's departments are going to go after.

them immediately. They're not going to let them  get away. Not in Minneapolis. That's not what. happens. They let them go out into the wild.  And uh, of course, there were no legacy media. networks there. Not like, you know, ABC, NBC,  or anything. As soon as it gets a little dicey, they run away. So, it's up to people like me in a  disguise that have to go in there and film this. There are no cops around. And Tucker, even if  you did call 911, which I did multiple times, you get zero assistance. It doesn't matter the  amount of death threats that are being screamed.

at you in the background on the call. Uh when I  I got robbed the other day by a a gang of Somali. They stole over $1,000 worth of camera equipment  from me. I called 911. They didn't ask me, "Are. you in any danger right now? I was bleeding from  the arm after being dragged down the street by. the vehicle." That no, the question they asked me  was, "Are you white, Hispanic, black, or Somali?". That was one of their biggest concerns. and it  still took them 30 minutes to come to the scene, but that's like my fourth 911 call in the past  three weeks out in Minneapolis. And uh it's the.

first time they actually responded. So  the fact they responded in 30 minutes, I was actually surprised that they came  out. I I'm just I'm shocked by everything. you've just said. I I do think we run the risk of  misinterpreting people like Jacob Fry. Obviously, they're feminized. Everything you said is true.  They're they're craven. They're they're weak. But there's also a will to power there. I mean  this is a this is Trosky, okay? This is the the.

looting of the armory. This is the way that people  like Fry and there are many people like Fry gain. power which is through violence. It's through  the mob. It's through mob action that they become. more powerful. So it's not just that he he he  can't stop it cuz he's too weak. He wants it. Just as the governor of the state of Minnesota  and his creepy Winnie Mandela wife, you know, breathe deep the smell of burning tires during  the George Floyd riots because revolution means. power to them. And so it feels to me just from  the footage that you shot that things are getting.

completely out of control. They're totally out  of control and they have been for several weeks. now. But this is exactly how Tim Waltz wants it  right now. I'm being totally upfront with you, Tucker. I truly believe this. This is the best  case scenario for Tim Waltz because what were we. talking about? The reason that I was out there  already when this shooting happened after the. woman tried to run down an ICE agent with her  vehicle, uh, I was already out there because.

we were talking about the Somali fraud.  So, the riots, the unrest in the streets, the assaults on ICE agents, the just non-stop  aroundthe-clock mayhem is the only thing that has. distracted everybody from continuing to be able to  talk about the uh the billions of dollars worth of. fraud that have been enabled under Tim Waltz. And  we have to get back to that. We can't let that go. away. But in the meantime, we also can't allow uh  ICE agents who are taking rapists and and child.

molesters and all of these violent illegals off  the street. We can't just leave them hanging as. well. And so I I'm pretty much going to move to  Minneapolis at this point. And that is not a place. I want to be. It was such a nice city. Uh it was  famously a Swedish city, so I knew about it. And. um it was it was a really really nice place not  that long ago. It's completely it's unrecognizable. now. And immigration is one of the main reasons  for that. It just it's just true. Can I ask where.

were the FBI agents as their automatic weapons  were being stolen? Uh so uh that is a fantastic. question which I uh I haven't really you know with  the like I I'm a big supporter of the FBI. I think. they do great things. I I don't like the the fact  that uh we're just abandoning federal vehicles in. the road. Uh, however, especially when there's a  riot going on, uh, however, like these guys need. some reinforcements out here, right? There are way  way too many riers that that just vastly outnumber.

uh, federal agents. So, that that's why I keep  calling for troops here, military, police, uh, federalizing the National Guard, even  insurrection act, whatever you have to do. to protect these guys. There aren't enough federal  agency. They got pushed back. They got forced all. the way back and that's why their vehicles ended  up being outside of the perimeter at that point. because the vehicles were parked several blocks  away from where the shooting happened, I believe.

last week when that uh illegal Venezuelan came  out an agent with a shovel, right? And tried to. hit him with the shovel and they had to shoot him  in the leg. Uh and so once that perimeter shrunk. because they don't have enough manpower, that  left those vehicles exposed. Uh, and you know, the the FBI, like I I'll give them a lot of credit  for this because they know that Minneapolis PD is. not going to uh do anything. They're not going to  predict independent journalists like me when I was.

robbed by that Somali gang in the road. Uh, this  is breaking here just now. Like they just Cash. Patel just called me like right before I I did the  hit on the show. Uh, so they found uh my camera. They have recovered the camera that was stolen.  And that's only because they jumped in knowing. that Minneapolis PD was going to do nothing  about it. Because in reality, Minneapolis PD, they don't want people like me here. Because I'm  documenting all of their failures. I'm documenting. the fact that they are letting these third world  invaders run free through the streets, committing,

you know, billions of dollars worth of fraud in  broad daylight and nothing is being done about it. They hate people like me being here. Uh, and so I  appreciate the FBI and and Cash Patel stepping in. and and and recovering that camera uh because  it it definitely wouldn't have been done uh by. the city. They told me very specifically, Tucker,  when the police finally responded after 30 minutes. and I'm still sitting there bleeding from being  dragged by a vehicle. They told me that I was in. the wrong by being in that area and told me I had  to leave that area because I had no business in.

that area. I have a hell of a lot more business in  that area than anybody else that's there at this. point. Okay, this is the United States of America  and I am not going to be terrorized out of leaving. an American city because they want to surrender  it to a bunch of third world pirates. I'm just not. going to do it. Well, you have as much connection  to Minneapolis really as Jacob Fry does. You know, he's not he's from New York. He's not he's not or  I think he's actually from suburban DC. He's not. from there at all. He has no roots there at all.  He just showed up to ferment revolution and to.

increase his own power. Obviously, they haven't  improved the city in the slightest. It's gotten. much worse under his so-called leadership. So, who  do you call? I mean, if the if FBI's vehicles get. looted, there are no FBI agents there to protect  their own vehicles. By the way, don't they have an. obligation to make sure their automatic weapons  don't wind up in the hands of criminals? Like, aren't they aren't they supposed to protect their  own ve? They're the FBI. I No offense. I think.

you're letting them off a little lightly here.  Like, so here you have the FBI putting automatic. weapons into our communities. Are we for that?  I'm not. But how do you how do you respond to. that? Like, if you called FBI, hey, they just  stole your machine guns. You guys should get on. this. Wake up, son. Yeah. So, I I I immediately  went to the FBI and informed them as to what. happened because like I'm not even sure they  would have known about it immediately. I mean, there were no like I'm the only one that got  footage of the guy that stole it. And I mean,

he was a little bit [ __ ] I guess I'm going to  say, because he like took his mask down, and you. could say he had Latin Kings tattoos all over him.  So, I mean, it was pretty easy to find the guy, and they found him by the next morning. But, yeah,  I I I would say like the fact that that we're that. federal law enforcement feels like they're in a  position where they just can't go back in and uh. guard these weapons that were in the the back of  the vehicle. Yeah, that was definitely concerning. to me. I cannot excuse that in any way, shape, or  form. Uh I know one the the weapons talker that.

was pulled out with a a tow strap after two hours.  And that's another thing, Tucker. It was two. hours that this was going on and nobody was doing  anything about it. Uh uh the the one one weapons. locker was empty uh to the dismay of the riers  that had spent so long trying to get into it. Uh but you know, I I I I I really want to stress  the fact that these guys need more support. They. they need uh they need more assets on the ground  to protect them while they're running operations, right? I mean, these FBI agents that are uh  out there like that FBI agents, DHS agents,

they're not trained in crowd control, right?  That's not their not their job. But there are. federal resources to handle that. And we're not  using them. We're putting them on standby. And I'm. sorry like I I I I'm a big supporter of the Trump  administration. I think they're doing a fantastic. job, but I'm a little worried that we're sleeping  on what's actually going on in Minneapolis because. some polls came out saying that, oh well, some  people don't approve of what's going on with ICE.

operations. And so, like, the administration is a  little bit fearful, I think I'll say, of deploying. uh troops into the streets to restore order  because they don't like the poll numbers that are. coming out. And you know what? 80 million people  voted for this to happen, right? I personally. think maybe those poll numbers, if they're even  real, some of the reason that people say they're. not approving of the the job that ICE is doing is  because they're not deporting enough people. Well,

of course. Right. You you you go and talk to  people in middle America. I'm from Kentucky. originally, Tucker. Right. So, I I I gauge my dad  who's an HVAC technician down there and all his. friends. like I try to get their opinion on just  people that are just normal uh everyday bluecollar. people and they're all saying the same thing like  they're not seeing any arrests. Uh they're not. seeing uh the deportations that they were asking  for. So if the poll numbers are dropping that has. a lot to do with it not because people think that  I being too aggressive. So I think those numbers.

are being misinterpreted. I mean, I've spent  I'm not attacking anyone, but the last three. weeks hearing how we have the greatest military  in America, which I mean, in the world, which, you know, sounds right, we're all grateful, but  like if the Madura raid had been this pathetic, it would be a national shame. Where are these  people who are so skilled at taking out foreign. leaders in our country? Like, one of our great  cities is collapsing. They're stealing automatic.

weapons from federal agents and no one's doing  anything about it. Like, where are the people? We. pay $1.5 billion dollars a year to maintain this  empire. Where are they when we need them here? Trillion. Yeah, I think you meant 1.5 trillion,  Tucker. Trillion. Sorry, I'm Which is a lot. I can. barely even pronounce the words, Nick. It's it's  a it's it's so much money and you're like, "Okay, well," and I I I tweeted about this the other day  where I said, you know, because people are like,

"Oh, well, why aren't you covering what's  happening in Iran?" Because I don't care. I. don't care. We have a huge American city that's  under siege actively. I'm boots on the ground. being attacked every single day uh by these people  in the streets and so are ICE agents. Like you saw. uh today even Bovino the border patrol commander  is out there uh just trying to go get snacks at. the speedway and they they can't get out of the  parking lot with his team because there are 20.

or 30 vehicles literally 20 or 30 following  him around boxing them in and and coming up. and assaulting them and so they have to use tear  gas to get out of parking lots. Like we need the. manpower. I mean how many tens of thousands of  active duty troops do we have? Why do we need. to worry about Iran right now? Why do we have  to worry about any other country in the world. besides right here? I don't care about the  politics anymore. I don't care if, you know, the the the the left and the Democrat party are  going to be like, "Oh my goodness, this is fascism.

by enforcing federal law is fascism." I I don't  care about that. I'm watching it in real time. I'm watching these guys that go out there every  single day and put their lives on the line to. deport these uh child rapists and and and literal  murderers, people with uh murder warrants out. of foreign countries that were just letting out  into the streets out here. They need the support. They're on a a mission here and we're not giving  it to them. I know we put 1500 active duty troops.

uh from Alaska on standby and I believe another  thousand of military police in North Carolina on. standby as well for the Pentagon. They haven't  been deployed yet. So my question is what are. we waiting for? What has to happen before we  can deploy them? Does an ICE agent need to be. killed? Does a journalist need to be killed? What  needs to happen? What what are we waiting on? It's. a war zone out there every single day. La last  question would I mean ICE is there, FBI is there,

military is not there. They're worried about Iran  apparently. Um so important Iran so important. Um. what about local police? I mean Minneapolis is a  major city. Minneapolis St. Paul why aren't they. restoring order? Like have you seen local police  respond to the riers? No. A and so that's one of. the biggest issues that we see up here. First of  all, the reason that I'm doing this in front of. a plain gray background is because for hits that  are longer than 5 minutes that are live, I have to.

do them somewhere where nobody can find me because  they will track me down and if I call the police, nothing will be done about it. I've written them  off, they're totally useless and and and that's. it. They're done. uh when when it comes to uh  what I was covering just for example in Louisiana, you have Governor Jeff Landry down there that is  you know supporting the ICE operations that are. happening down there in New Orleans uh Shreveport  all the surrounding area like across the entire. state of Louisiana. And so they have state  troopers with them. And those state troopers,

I was not able to tail Bino uh when I was trying  to cover the uh the deportations down there. because they would pull me over for, you know,  turning right on red without stopping or something. behind the the police vehicles, right? But in  Minneapolis, St. Paul and the surrounding area, the police have been uh they have been directed  and ordered not to enforce any traffic laws or.

uh or or crimes that are committed in the presence  of ICE or Border Patrol because they want these. people running red lights at 80 miles an hour.  It's so brazen now that they're live streaming. these crimes that they're committing where they're  f they don't have lights and sirens or anything. these these uh activists that are posing as  journalists. They wear press on their chest. because you know that that all all of a sudden  exempts them from laws apparently. They're not.

real press. They're activists and and they're like  passing buses, school buses around blind corners. at 80 mph in residential neighborhoods  blowing through red lights and stuff, but police are being told not to pull them over,  not to interfere with the activists at all. some I'm surprised nobody's been killed by  it yet, but if if they were just to do that, if they were just to enforce traffic laws, then  you wouldn't get 20 to 30 cars uh following and. impeding ICE and Border Patrol all the time.  But the problem is that's what they want. They.

want them to be impeded. Is there I mean, is the  city are people acknowledging this is happening? I. mean, is the mayor giving press conferences about  it? What they're going to do to fix it? Is the. governor on television in Minnesota? like what  is this just is anyone noticing this? Yeah. So, uh they're they're definitely on TV uh  Mayor Mayor Frey and uh and Tim Waltz, but they're saying exactly what you would expect  them to. They're talking about if you see ICE,

call 911. You had Chief O'Hara, the Minneapolis  police chief, which I actually I was I tried to. ask him a few questions downtown the other day  when he ordered all of his men to retreat uh. after uh some riots downtown. They like literally  came in, ran away. I It's all on video, and they. they were fleeing. One guy, one cop tripped over  his squad car because he was so frazzled by people. throwing snowballs at him. Uh and and this guy uh  you could even see him, this leftist police chief.

on TV behind the mayor who had just said, "Yes,  if you see ICE in the area, you call 911." So the. 911 system is like totally useless at this point.  If you're being stabbed to death in the street, mugged, whatever, in downtown Minneapolis, you're  probably not going to get an officer responding to. you anytime soon because the 911 lines are flooded  with people calling 911 on ICE because that's what.

they've been told to do. And so this inquiry by  the DOJ into uh Mayor Frey and uh Tim Waltz is. totally fair where they are conspiring to obstruct  ICE operations. And you know how many innocent. people have suffered because of that at this point  over the past 3 weeks that this has been going on. But Tucker, you go outside of the Minneapolis  St. Paul area, the local jurisdictions there. are more than willing to work with ICE. That's why  you're not seeing uh largecale like clashes in the.

streets and stuff because they're able to just go  to the jails when these illegals are arrested by. local sheriff's departments and stuff and they're  able to pick them up and that's it. And then. they're deported there. There's no need for these  large-scale clashes. And uh and the the reason. that it has to be done is because the federal  government cannot back down and just not enforce. uh federal immigration law because Mayor Frey and  Tim Waltz don't want to lose a huge portion of.

their voter base when a bunch of Somali fraudsters  end up being denaturalized and and deported. Yeah. I mean, the country will will fall apart. We'll  have civil war if this continues. By the way, it's January 21st. Imagine June 20. Imagine warm  weather in one of the coldest cities in America. Nick, thank you so much for your bravery and  for telling us all that. And that was I'm hard. to shock. That shocked me. Thank and Godspeed.  I don't have to make anything up, Tucker. It's.

all on video. So, not not uh not not exaggerating  here, but I appreciate you highlighting the story. Oh, we're grateful, too. Thank you. So, we played  you that footage of the protesters attacking. people in church for being white and Christian.  um that was in St. Paul, I think, City's Church. in St. Paul, Minnesota. Joe Riggnney is I I  one of the founders of that church, I believe, and I hope he'll pardon me if I've mangled any  of his bio, but he joins us uh now. Joe, thanks.

so much for doing this. Um tell us about what  happened at that church. Yeah, so that's my former. church. I was a planting pastor at the church.  I'm no longer there. I live in Idaho now uh for. the last three years, but I was in Minnesota  for 18 years, including through u 2020 and. all of the um the riots during that year. But um  yeah, what what happened was is during a service. um normal Christian worship service of a normal  evangelical church um an organized, planned,

and coordinated group of people entered the  church during its second service. It was the first. Sunday they'd had a second service. the church was  growing and so they had a second service added one. and they so they'd already had one the preacher  had preached a message from the gospel of John. chapter 13 called uh love one another and as they  were in the middle of the second service a number. of people who had been there for the first half of  the service um stood up and began moving towards. the front um doing what your video showed chanting  uh various slogans uh Renee good get out Ice.

um all of those sort of things and eventually  basically commandeered the building yelling. uh and screaming at the parishioners. Um a  number of whom fled very quickly because in. this day and age you don't know if it's a um if  this is going to be an active shooting situation, right? Like this is this is the sort of thing  that happens these days. And uh so people were. trying to get the kids, you know, get the kids  out, get the kids safe. And uh you saw my friend.

um Jonathan Pastor Jonathan Parnell uh standing  there saying shame on you to these activists, these agitators um and then being accosted by  Don Lemon who is embedded with the group and. coordinating with them uh and being heranged.  Isn't this a great example of constitutional. liberty? Don't these people have a right to uh you  know assemble and and free speech uh as they are. disrupting a Christian worship service on a Sunday  morning? So, it was shocking. I'm I'm across the.

country now uh but watching my friends and former  congregants uh be attacked in this way. Um simply. uh you know because these activists um are going  to escalate from beyond what they've already been. doing as your previous guest uh elaborated on.  It's shocking but it's it's predictable because. all revolutions begin with killing the Christians.  um always I wonder is there just is there a like.

justification for this to go in and scream at kids  in a church service during a sermon on love one. another? I mean what do you think is actually  going on here? Uh well the presenting cause. is that one of the lay pastors at the church um  works for ICE. Um he's a law enforcement officer, has been for 20s something years. Um he's a good  man. Um he's a close friend of mine. I'm not even. going to say his name because I don't want any  more harassment for him and his family. Um but. uh but they they had doxed him, discovered who  he was, where he went to church, and decided to.

make an example. Uh and so that was the presenting  cause. But I think there's also um an element of, as you said, um testing the boundaries. How far  can we go? how how far can we escalate these. things um in order to to intimidate silence  um people into doing what we want? Um and so. it's not enough now to harass the harass um law  enforcement officers while they carry out their. duties. Um we're now going to follow them to  their homes. We're going to follow them to.

their churches. We're going to intimidate their  friends. We're going to frighten their children. um until um I guess they think um the the effect  of that would be that the administration will seek. cease trying to enforce its immigration laws  or maybe people will stop working for ICE. I. don't I don't know what the endgame is. Um but I  expect if it's not dealt with in a in a swift and. just manner to say this is unacceptable, there  are ways that you can protest the government. This is America. Um but terrorizing people in a  church is beyond the bounds and and uh it's been.

disappointing thus far. Um it's been encouraging  on the part of the federal administration. I think. the you know various people of the administration  are involved and and seeking to to do something. about it, arrest some people. Um but I think the  local officials uh the governor, the uh mayors um. are slow, you know, slowplaying it. They they have  no interest in doing it. In fact, I I saw one uh. uh Democratic legislator say this will continue.  This sort of thing is essential to what we're.

doing and it will continue. So promising this is  is actually the trans uh trans legislator in uh in. the Twin City or in the Twin Cities um who said  this is essential and it must continue which is. a shocking thing um after you know um just last  year a Catholic school was attacked um by a trans. shooter. And so you see the escalating violence on  the left um of normal Christian people. And I just. want to I think I want to underscore that piece  of it. Um these are not these are not political.

activists. This is not a political church.  These are normal bibleelving evangelicals. The. the mission of the church, the way that they talk  um since the beginning when we planted the church. and and they've continued this is real basic. They  they have a number of very clear priorities what. they care about. And if you asked any of them,  they would say, "We're here because we want to. worship Jesus. He's the most he's real. Jesus is  real and he's the most important person in the.

universe. He's the only hope of the world. There's  salvation in no one else." They are going to want. to tell you that. And then they're going to say,  "We want to love each other as Christians." And. then they're going to say, "And we're here to seek  the good of these cities. We've not given up on. these cities." I in fact, I think the pastor said  that in the sermon in his first service. Said, "We're here in the midst of this chaos." And  he says, 'But we're not giving up on the Twin. Cities. We're here because we want to love our  neighbors. We want to we want to care for those. We want to give them the hope of the gospel, offer  them freedom from sin and death, and that's what.

they're there for. And instead, this political  chaos intrudes in the middle of a worship service. uh and disrupt it. And it was absolutely, as as my  friend said, he said, "It's absolutely shameful. It's absolutely shameful." And then immediately,  I appreciate this about him so much. I said, "This is shameful, and we're here about Jesus." He  wanted to make sure we're going to he's going to. get that in because because that's what he cares  about. That's what he's all about. But and I don't. think we should make a mistake. Jesus was the  target. It's not that they're an ICE agent who. they could have hassled at his house or at his job  or whatever. The target was Jesus. It was I'm sure.

you've seen the famous photograph from the Spanish  Civil War, the opening months of the Spanish Civil. War where the communist forces surround a statue  of Jesus and open fire on it. A statue because. they were more straightforward then. like  that's the enemy. And I I do think it puts. it in the right frame, right? Yeah, it is. It is  remarkable. I think uh in in this in this moment. um as we as we're talking um there is a deep  sickness in our culture. I think we all feel.

it. Um pressure is high, tensions are high. Um  and and it is um it is a spirit is a spiritual. in nature. And I think that's one of the things  I'm I'm a pastor. I'm still a pastor just in a. different state. And um Jesus really is the only  hope for this. Like there is no way out and and. what's needed in the moment is forgiveness of  sins and and calling people to repent of it, right? Like the reason that this this bubbles up  is because sin fers and fers and fers and it's.

encouraged by in this case government officials  who are fostering lawlessness, encouraging this. kind of conduct rather than being as the Bible  says they ought to be uh a terror to evil conduct. That's what when the when God lays down what  should the government do? What's their job? And. it's they should be a terror to evil conduct. They  should execute God's wrath on the wrongdoers. Um. they should reward the righteous. They should  encourage good people. And they should punish. bad people. That's their just basic job. And in  this circumstance, they're actually doing the.

opposite. They're terrorizing normal law-abiding  citizens. And then they're encouraging the lawless. and and the lawb breakakers. And because of  that, it's bubbling up. It's bubbling over and. um and it's tragic. It it really is tragic. And  the only way out is for people to turn from their. sins and to turn back to Christ. That's that's the  only hope that any of us this nation has. That's. the only hope for any of us. It's it's literally  inverted. The government encourages evil absess. lawlessness and punishes decency and good. So what  is the right Christian reaction to this? Yeah,

I've been thinking a lot about that. not just  because of what happened over the weekend um but. because of the last few years as um you know um  last fall Charlie Kirk was assassinated and um you. know it's actually interesting uh years ago when  we planted the church the first sermon series that. we did uh was on the book of Acts you know you're  planting a new church and so here's the planting.

of the church right and so we're preaching through  the book of Acts and you begin to notice um these. these patterns and you just notice that the early  church leaders were just regularly colliding with. the governing of authorities, right? So, they're  they're they're getting they're getting hauled in. They're healing people. They're blessing people.  Um they're they're sharing the gospel. They're. announcing Jesus is is risen from the dead. This  is great news, everybody. He's he's he is the. savior of the world. And they're announcing this  and and they're met with opposition and it kind of. escalates and you see this escalating. At first,  the leaders are kind of annoyed by it. They're.

like, "What are who are these guys? Why are they  what are they doing? What are they saying?" And. so, they haul them in for questioning. What are  you guys talking about? And they're like, "Hey, no other name among heaven. Jesus. He's it's him.  He he rose from the dead. You killed him. You guys. killed him, but he rose from the dead." And then  they they say, "All right, don't do that anymore. Stop talking about that." And they leave. And uh  and then they keep preaching. They go out and they. pray. They say, "Lord, you look upon their threats  and help us to continue to speak the word with. boldness." And they do. God answers that prayer.  They speak with boldness. They preach the word.

And then they get hauled back in. And this time  they say, "Hey, look, we already told you guys. once. Knock this off." And then they beat them. So  now it's now it's a it's not just a warning, it's. a violent warning. And and now the the leaders are  a little bit jealous because people are flocking. to this new Christian movement, right? And then it  finally bubbles over um in the stoning of Steven, right? Steven is hauled before them false  charges. Um they lie about him. They slander. him. And then they say and then he he says he  looks up into heaven. He says, "I see Jesus.

I Jesus is risen and he's reigning and he condemns  the wickedness around him. You guys are all you've. turned aside from your God. You've abandoned him.  You've killed the righteous one. You've murdered. him. And then they rush upon them and they stone  him to death. And so when you look at that kind of. escalation in Jerusalem 2,000 years ago and then  I'm sitting here reading the newspaper and going. um history does not repeat itself, but it does  rhyme. And when you think about the last 20 years.

and the escalating collisions we've seen in our  country, you know, about say sec sex sexuality. um and people being harassed just because they  won't bake a cake uh or because they won't, you know, do flowers for a gay wedding. And  you see that kind of escalating collision as. Christians just try to live faithfully, faithful  lives. And then it bubbled over and in the fall we. we saw we found an American Steven essentially  um in in Charlie Kirk. Like that's that's what. happened as the left killed him. And and then  so you're so I read that and I go, "Okay, well,

what should we expect next?" If that's if the  history's rhyming, what comes next in the story. and if you read the book of Acts, right after  Steven is stoned, it says a general persecution. breaks out against the Christians. That there's  that like the the the lawlessness spreads and now. it doesn't matter if you're a leader or not.  It doesn't matter if you're prominent or not. You could just be what? Normal people going to  church on a Sunday in an American town and now. you're going to be harassed and intimidated.  And so this is precisely on Q. And I think and.

I'm encouraged by what the Bible tells us to do in  that case because what those people did after that. persecution broke out is they were driven out of  their homes and they didn't go around moping and. sulking and whining about um oh woe is me. How  could this happen? I really wish that Charlie. Kirk wouldn't have said that or whatever. They  you Stephen should have you know kept his mouth. shut. Instead it says they went about preaching  the gospel. That's what they did. In other words, they imitated the boldness of their leaders who  had been persecuted and they went about and and.

as a result uh there was a revival. The gospel  goes to the Samaritans and lots of lots of people. are are turning from their sins and being saved  and immediately after that it this is what's most. remarkable in the story. changed the history  of the world is the Apostle Paul who'd been. approving all of that, who'd been sanctioning it  and hauling people to jail and but as a Pharisee, as an opponent of of the church, um God knocks  him off his horse. Just Jesus, he he finds out.

Jesus is in fact real and the entire, you know,  history of the world is different because now the. greatest evangelist in history has come to Christ.  And so I'm I see this. I see the tensions and yet. um God's behind it all. He's he's sovereign. He  rules. He reigns. He Jesus is real. And he is. working in this for the good of his people and for  the good of the world and the good of this nation. And so my encouragement to Christians would be  to imitate the early church to gather together.

in worship on Sundays, whether they're going to  harass you or not, and to pray and to say, "Lord, look upon their threats. Look what they're saying.  Look at their lies." and fill us with your Holy. Spirit. And grant us to preach the word of God,  all of it. Whole counsel of God, courage, clarity. about Jesus, about sin. Give us that ability with  joy in the midst of this chaos. Give us that. That's what we want, Lord. And I believe just as  God answered that prayer in the first century, he'll answer that prayer in the 21st. So,  this is I mean, this is the spiritual war that.

Jesus promises that we've seen for thousands of  years. We know how it ends, but in the meantime, we shouldn't be surprised and remain brave and  bold. Is that a fair summary? Correct. Yeah. And. joyful. I think I think that's Thank you. enjoy.  Like I think that it's it's important because I. think Christians do have a tendency sometimes  when things go like this um to get um overly. serious or or serious in the wrong way. I guess it  can become intense and um and instead to go like,

"Well, is is God like?" So, I I was watching it  and one reaction I did have was um from Psalm 2. um he who sits in heaven laughs, right? Like what  does God look at when the nations rage and they. and they rage against his people and they rage  against um Christ? What's God's reaction? He who. sits in heaven laughs. He's he's not threatened by  this. He's not uh scrambling. God's not going get, you know, get somebody on the phone. He's not  worried about that. Um instead, he's going, "This.

is my sovereign hand and plan working out for the  good of my people and the good of the world. Um, I am going to bring glory to myself through this  this horrific stuff. Now, that doesn't mean for me. as a Christian. Do I want to see justice done now  as well? Absolutely. It's because Jesus is real. that governing authorities ought to bear the sword  faithfully. They ought to punish lawb breakakers. because someday Tim Walls and Mayor Jacob Fry are  going to stand before God and they're going to. answer for it just like I will and just like  you will. Yes. Right. Everybody listening to. this is going to stand before God. Like that's  what's going to happen and you're going to give.

an account. And so part of what they're going to  account for is, hey, when when Minneapolis was. in chaos, why were you stoking it? Like why wh  what was that about? Like the the they're going. to like some of these videos that we're seeing of  the chaos being inflamed and encouraged uh by the. left are going to be brought forward as evidence  of their hatred of God's people, of uh of Christ. And uh and it's remarkable um to think about like  it's it is a sobering thing, but as Christians,

it ought to give us confidence. It's what gives  us a joy in the midst of the suffering when they. when they plunder, when they attack. Um there's  a deep and settled joy because Tim Walls doesn't. run the universe. Thank God. Jake Fry doesn't.  President Trump doesn't for that matter. Like no. human being runs the universe. Well, one does. Um  the God man, Jesus Christ, he runs the universe. So, if I'm hearing this right, chaos just  by itself is a marker of evil. Absolutely.

Absolutely. It's Christ or chaos. Those are the  two options. Like those are like the basic options. in America today. It's Christ or chaos. You  either get you either get the decay, the disorder, the lawlessness, or we turn to Jesus and he puts  us everything back together. Like he puts you back. together individually. Like you you're in you get  forgiven for your sins and you get sanctified. You. get made holy. You get healed and restored. And  then he puts together our families, the brokenness. there. He puts together our communities.  He puts together our nation. Um, you know,

listening to your monologue at the at the front of  the uh the hour, it just it just struck me. You're. describing sort of the uh the bulcanization of  the United States. Yes. And this mass demographic. transformation. U I think that's a subject that  many evangelicals are uncomfortable with. Quite. honestly, having been an evangelical my whole  life, and it's it's uncomfortable for them to even. think about or talk about. Um, and but thinking  about it, it's like what's the hope then? And. I think the only hope is well everybody needs  to turn to Jesus and then we can sort it out.

But if we don't turn to Jesus, we're just going to  fight and we're going to devour each other because. that's what human being apart from Christ. That's  what human beings do. We we're envy, rivalry, pride, selfish ambition. That's human nature in  its sort of sinful state. And so the only hope is. we got to turn away from that. And then, okay, now  we've got millions of people from different ethnic. groups and we've got all these things. How are  we going to sort it out? Well, Jesus has to be at. the center of that or it won't happen. It can't  happen. All you're going to get is more of this. violence. Like, that's the basic the basic hope  that is tribalism is a product of nature. It's the.

default setting in people. It inevitably becomes  violent. It's a masochistic dynamic always and. someone uh is on the wrong end of it. And the only  way to avoid that is Jesus. That that's my view. That's absolutely true. It's absolutely true. And  and it's the solution to the kind of mob violence. that we see, right? Uh people always look for  scapegoats. They they want to find someone to.

blame for all their problems. And um because they  have problems and they don't want if they if they. can't admit that like the biggest problem in the  universe is me, like my biggest problem is me, right? Like I think I think I heard someone say  that one time. Uh, and my biggest problem is me. And if they can't admit that, then they're going  to start blaming everybody. And eventually they. get enough people sharing their grievance. Um,  that they're going to go take it out. And we saw. that on Sunday. And so the only hope is own it.  Acknowledge like I'm the problem and God still.

loves me. He sent Jesus to die for my sins for  goodness sake. And so he's welcoming me back. Like I you can be the prodigal. And I and I just  again as a pastor, thank you for having me on. And. I just want to say to the people listening, like  if you're the prodigal, if you're running away, whether you're a leftist or right-wing  or, you know, non-committal or whatever, I don't care. Like, if you're the prodigal running  away from God, like, you can come home. Like, he left the light on. He's got a really nice robe.  He'll give you the ring. He'll kill the fatted. calf. He'll throw a big party because he loves  you. So, you can just come back. You don't have.

to keep running. And if everybody would do that,  like if God would be gracious to this nation and. people would turn back to Christ, turn and I mean  turn back to Christ, then we could then we could. talk then the political stuff, it wouldn't work  itself out. There'd still be bumps and we'd still. have to work it out, but we'd have a foundation  to build on. And so that really is the basic. um the basic choice before us individually, the  basic choice before us as a nation. It's Christ. or it's chaos. There is no third option. There  isn't one. That's all you got. It's true for.

every person. Joe Riggnney, thank you. I really  appreciate uh you coming on and putting that into. perspective and and I appreciate your wisdom.  Thank you. Hey, thanks for having me, Tucker. I appreciate it. Thanks. We appreciate you're  watching. We'll be back next Wednesday live.