Tucker on the MAGA Movement’s Future and the Snakes in Washington Trying to Change It’s True Meaning

So, there's this scene in Animal Farm. It's the  last scene in the novel, the famous George Orwell. novel, the one less referred to the 1984, but in  some ways a lot better. And there's this scene. where the pigs and the men are playing cards  at a table. Now, for the course of the novel, the pigs are leading the animals, the animals  of the farm in rebellion against the men whose. cruel and capriccious and greedy leadership has  kind of wrecked the farm. and they've risen up. collectively to take back what's theirs, the means  of production, and they're going to distribute the.

fruits equally and everything is going to be  fair and equitable and things are going to be. great. And the pigs naturally rise to the top of  the hierarchy because they're the smartest and. following them or the kind of stalward horses and  the sweetteered trusting cattle, etc. all the way. on down the chain. And so it's left to the pigs  to negotiate with the men, the former farm owners. And of course they hate the men, right? They're  the declared enemy of the men. And in the final.

scene, the other animals are sort of gathered  outside the house. Nose is pressed against the. glass and the pigs are sitting basically partying  with the men. And for a moment, they become. indistinguishable. You can't tell the pig from  the man. They've melded into one. In other words, the movement the pigs led has been completely  corrupted and become the mirror image of what it. purported to be. And the reason this of course was  describing the Soviet leadership which overthrew. an aristocracy only to install its own even more  tyrannical version genocidal version. Um but it.

really describes almost all human organizations  which unless you're careful and thoughtful and. get into the consistent habit of restating your  principles out loud. Most human organizations wind. up resembling just organically over time. Whatever  force they were created to fight against, they. become inversions of themselves, mirror images  of what they were intended to be. This is just. the way things are. It certainly happened to the  Democratic Party, by the way, in our lifetimes.

I mean, 40 years ago, the Democratic Party was  the party of what? Peace and human rights and, you know, against big business. And since the  Clinton years, of course, it has been the opposite. of those things. The Democratic Party has been the  defender of oligarchy and the main driver of war. Um, and of course, the sort of great proponents of  censorship, the opponent of human rights. My body, my choice, they say, is they force you to take  the COVID vax. And this has been noted quite a.

bit. There's a pretty good book written about it  several years ago, I would say, called Ship of. Fools. Sorry. But this can happen not just to  the Democratic Party and the Communist Party, the Bolevik Party of 1917. It could happen to  really any party, including the Republican Party, including the party of MAGA. Hasn't happened  necessarily, but there are people who would. like it to happen. And so without attacking  them personally and with the the sincere belief.

that they're acting out of their own interests  and their own beliefs and trying to subvert a. movement that they did not create and nothing to  do with um but they're doing it for reasons that. they think are valid, you know, with taking  out the possibility that they're just evil, trying to destroy something, giving them every  benefit of every doubt. There are some pretty. highly aggressive people in Washington DC who are  trying to turn the MAGA movement into the opposite. of what it was created to be, the opposite of what  voters hoped it would be when they voted for it,

what tens of millions of Americans believed  it was. And so before that happens completely. and before we forget what MAGA once was, it's  probably worth stating in very clear terms what. it is. What is MAGA? Well, MAGA of course means  make America great again. It's an acronym. But. what does that mean exactly? We don't have  to guess because Donald Trump for 10 years, 10 full years, 2015 to 2025 has been articulating  again and again and again a remarkable level of.

repetition. Actually, five consistent themes  about what this is, what is MAGA. So, let's go. through and name and explain the five pillars  of MAGA. It's not exactly the Bill of Rights, but in political terms, it's meaningful. These are  the founding principles of the governing political. coalition that runs the United States right now  and they are too rarely articulated. So let's.

do that. Let's start with number one. What is the  first pillar of MAGA? Well, of course it's America. first. Here's Donald Trump before he got the  nomination for president in I think in the spring. of 2016 explaining what America first means.  Here he is. My foreign policy will always put. the interests of the American people and American  security above all else. Has to be first. Has to.

be. That will be the foundation of every single  decision that I will make. America. Thank you. America first will be the major and overriding  theme of my administration. April 27th, 2016. At the time, Donald Trump had been elected  to nothing. He'd not even officially secured the.

nomination. Ted Cruz was still running against  him until the Indiana primary the next month. He. was still just a candidate, totally unproven.  But the central theme of the next 10 years of. his political life and of the country's political  life is right there in that clip. America first. The purpose and duty of the American government  is to represent the United States of America. Another way to put it would be the duty  of the US government is to make good on. the core promise of democracy, which is that  the country operates on behalf of its owners,

the citizens of that country. It  would seem very obvious. Of course, Trump was attacked for it immediately. He was  called an anti-semite. You may not remember this, but he was because he used a phrase that Charles  Lindberg, who was, by the way, not an anti-semite, uh, but who did oppose American entry into  World War II along with tens of millions of. other Americans, used very often. The America  First Movement was the American movement of the. 19 late 1930s, early 1940s, pushing the Roosevelt  administration away from joining a war in Europe.

It doesn't mean they were pro-Nazi. Many of them  were very anti-Nazi, but they didn't think the. United States had a role in that war. And they  said it. And probably the most famous living. American at the time, Charles Lindberg, who  in 1927 flew across the Atlantic Ocean solo, truly a hero, was the leader of this movement.  And of course, history being what it is, rewritten by the victors, he has been slandered  ever since as some sort of hater or pro- Hitler, anti-Semit or something. He was none of the  above. But the point is when Trump used the.

phrase America first, he was attacked as some  sort of deviant, moral deviant. But the idea. itself was so self-evidently true, like obvious  that for a lot of people, even non-Republicans, a light bulb went off. Wait a second. You mean  the government doesn't operate on that principle? We always assumed that our government, which  we pay for, which does everything it does in.

our name, the country that we were born in, that  our ancestors built, we assumed they were always. acting on our behalf. That every decision was  made through the lens, is this good for the. United States or not? And it took Donald Trump's  entry from real estate into politics in 2015 to. awaken the rest of the country that actually know  many decisions, some of the biggest decisions the. US government makes have no reference point at  all in American interest. They just don't care. whether it's good for the United States. Well,  that's not only inherently anti-democratic, it's.

illegitimate. That's not a legitimate government.  If you have a democratic republic whose government. is not acting on behalf of the citizens, you don't  have a legitimate government. That's grounds for. overthrowing the government. actually. So people  were shocked by this and Trump was attacked but. of course you know the rest. He went on to win the  nomination and the presidency that year really on. the basis of that idea America first. You can have  only one true allegiance and it needs to be to the. United States. You can't have dual citizenship  because you can't have dual loyalty in the same.

way that polygamy for whatever its benefits  doesn't work very well in the long run because. you can't be truly loyal to two wives. Sorry. And  you can't be truly loyal to two countries because. sometimes their interests intersect but very often  they diverge and you have to pick one because. there's a fork in the road and you can only take  one path and it has to be the path that serves the.

country that you live in and that's the United  States of America. America first. So that's the. first principle of MAGA and every decision that  this ruling coalition makes has to be made through. the lens of America first. Period. But there are  four remaining pillars that derive from the first. So for is America first. The second point that  Trump made again and again and again and rode to. the presidency that year and once again in 2024  is that the country has to control its borders.

If you do not control your borders, you are not a  country because a nation state is a physical place. identifiable on a map. It has borders. There's a  difference between 10 ft on this side and 10t on. the other side. A totally different set of laws,  often customs, language. One's this country, the other is that country. You can't have a global  country. It doesn't work. And it's inherently. tyrannical. And Trump made that point again and  again by saying famously, build that wall. Here. he is. We're going to have strong, incredible  borders, and people are going to come into.

our country, but they're going to come into our  country legally. They're going to come in legally. We're going to build a wall. It's going to be  built. We're going to build a wall. That was. almost 10 years ago. The wall has not been built.  Despite what you may hear, there is not a wall. spanning the US Mexico border. There are portions  of wall, but for a bunch of different reasons, it has not been built. And that is a measure of  several things, but one of them is the resistance.

to that idea in Washington. Turns out, and we  learned this during that campaign, the Republican. party didn't want to build a wall. Actually,  that's why they had never tried. And they didn't. want to build a wall because they didn't want  distinct borders. And they didn't want distinct. borders because they weren't nationalists, they  were globalists. So, by saying that, Trump didn't. actually end up building the wall, but he did end  up revealing the nature of the people running the. country, which is completely deceptive and rotten.  They were deceptive and rotten, and they were.

busted being that way. And to this day, they've  resisted actual border control. And to this day, they're digging in their heels on deportation.  And to this day, they're denying that the native. population, the Americanborn population, is being  replaced. But it is, and that's not a conspiracy. theory. It's hardly hate to note what the numbers  are. But the numbers show very clearly that people. who were born in this country and whose parents  and grandparents were born in this country.

are soon going to be a minority. they are being  replaced by people from other countries. It's just. a fact. It's not a great replacement theory. It's  a great replacement reality measurable through. census numbers. And the resistance of both parties  to acknowledging that simple mathematical fact. tells you everything about their intent, which  is highly sinister. They want it. And a lot of. those people are Republicans. They've disliked  Trump from day one for pushing for this. They. dislike him now. But we know that because he said  it. He articulated the truth out loud and that.

illuminated the positions of everyone else in the  room and for that the rest of us should be forever. grateful. But that's pillar two. You have to  have real borders and the people who live in the. country have a moral and legal right to choose who  else joins them in the same way that a homeowner. has a right to decide who sleeps in his house  because it's his house. This is a foundational. right. If it's our country, we determine who lives  next door to us. And if it's not, we don't. It's.

literally that simple. So, America first, the  country must have secure borders. Those are. the first two. The third pillar of MAGA, and this  is something that President Trump, now President. Trump, then candidate Trump, articulated from the  very first days of his campaign, is that the war. on terror and all pointless wars, wars that do  not serve America's direct national interest, in other words, wars that are not wars of  self-defense, wars that not repelling an invasion,

are pointless. And worse than pointless, they are  bad for the United States. They are corrosive of. our social order. They completely overturn our  society on some hard to measure but yet obvious. overtime level. They're incredibly expensive and  by the way, they kill Americans and a lot of other. people. They're bad and they're almost never waged  in an effort to serve our interest, but instead to. serve the interest of other countries. He said  that for the very first time in the February,

I think of 2016 GOP primary debate in Greenville,  South Carolina, when he said right to the face of. former President Bush's brother, Jeb, "The  Iraq war was a disaster." And at the time, that was considered so shocking that people  couldn't even believe he said it. In fact, at Fox where I then work, one of our  most brilliant analysts said, you know, he made a huge mistake because South Carolina,  checking the briefing book, South Carolina has. the highest proportion of military veterans of any  of the states. And of course, naturally, they love.

the wars in Afghanistan in Iraq. People still talk  like this in 2016. Thanks to Trump, they no longer. do. They've been exposed as dummies and liars. No  matter what the briefing book says, the opposite. turned out to be true, which is that people  who had wasted years of their lives and lost. friends and developed all kinds of psychological  and physical damage from these wars and were at. the very least apart from their families for  years at a time, these were the people most. likely to be opposed to more pointless wars. But  Trump kept up this theme and in some ways it was.

the most controversial thing he ever said then or  now. No more wars. Here's Donald Trump making the. exact same point much more recently. We are never  going back to a party that wants to give unlimited. money to fight foreign wars that are endless wars  that are stupid wars. I was the only president in. modern history who did not have any new wars. No  new wars. I finished some old ones. I finished.

some old wars. will be stopping the slide into  costly and never- ending wars. We got to stop. it. Can't keep spending hundreds of billions of  dollars protecting people that don't even like us. We can't keep spending tens of billions of dollars  to protect people who don't even like us. I will. stop this. That was one of the most popular things  Trump said in 2016 up until that was March of 2023.

at CPAC. up until recently. Every time Trump says  that, including in a UN speech not that long ago, he gets wild applause from his own voters. If  there is one theme, if you were to survey a 100. people who voted for Donald Trump in 2016,  2020, and 2024, why did you vote for him? You would find an overwhelming majority voted  for him in part because they don't want more. pointless wars. Because since 2001, we've had an  endless succession of them. And we haven't won a.

single one. Not a single one. And every single  one of them has weakened the United States in. measurable ways and hurt Americans deeply in  measurable ways. One of the reasons we have an. opioid crisis is because of those wars. And not  a single one of those wars was waged on behalf of. the United States or its interests. Every single  one of them was waged on behalf of our so-called. allies or some stupid idea about turning the  Middle East into Western Europe or something. Even as Western Europe itself descended to a  level that's below the Middle East, uh, which.

it is right now, people feel deep and justified  resentment about that. Donald Trump harnessed. that and articulated it and he was the only one  to do it. That clip you just saw from CPAC in. 2023 when he said that the most popular Republican  candidate at the Wall Street Journal and the New. York Post and Fox News and among all the donors in  the Republican party was not Donald Trump at all. In fact, he was fighting to stay out of jail when  he said that. He was considered a hasb been. It. was going to be Ronda Santis, the governor of  Florida, who was a pretty effective governor of.

Florida and a much admired governor of Florida.  But during that campaign, we also found out that. he was just a tool of his donors and a screaming  low IQ neocon. It was Ronda Santis or it was Nikki. Haley who was busy telling us that we need Israel  more than Israel needs us and other things that. were so nonsensical and insane that no one dared  ask her to explain them. Those were the favorites, the anti-Trumps, the candidates who are going to  undo the damage that Trump had done to our sacred.

alliances with NATO and other countries we have  literally nothing to do with and almost no common. interest with, but to whom we spend send billions  and billions and billions, tens, hundreds over the. years of billions of dollars to do what? To bring  gay rights to Withania or something. It's not even. clear, but a lot of people in Washington  are getting rich from these multinational. organizations, these peacekeeping organizations,  and a lot of highly ideological foreign policy.

establishment figures who do not have America's  interests first in mind and never have used those. wars for their own ends, which again are  not related to America's interests on any. level. In fact, run directly contrary to America's  interest. hurt America. And so at the moment when. Trump was about to go to jail, it looked like,  and fighting against what seemed like a wave of.

donor investment in Nikki Haley and Ronda Santis,  he comes out and says, "No, I'm the opposite. No. more a wars." And guess what happened? He won  the nomination and he won the presidency again. So, anyone who would say, "Well, that wasn't  an important part of his platform. That's not. actually a pillar, right? This just happened.  We remember it." And it's on tape. No more. wars. Pillar three. Pillar four. How about some  real jobs? Donald Trump from day one in 2015,

the famous escalator ride, in fact going back  40 years in his CNN appearances, for example, with Larry King or his work on ABC would almost  always make the same point in various ways, but it. was the same point, which was globalization short  changes America. It helps bankers. It helps the. finance class quite a bit once you financialize  things. In a globalized economy, money moves.

much more easily. There's much less friction and a  small number of people get very very rich. But the. country itself becomes a husk. It becomes hollowed  out. There's nothing for people to do. And a. country that doesn't make anything is not a real  country. Everyone sort of knows this intuitively, but libertarian economists basically doing the  bidding of the finance class have for the past 40. years told us, "No, no, it's totally fine because  it hikes GDP." Oh, GDP. As if GDP is the only or.

even the best measure of the health of an economy  or the health of a nation or the health of its. people. And of course, that's ridiculous. GDP is  the measure of all economic activity. What does. that mean? What does that mean? Well, not much  actually. A country that doesn't make anything, a country that has, say, six thriving cities and  the rest of the continent falling into poverty. is not a thriving country. It's a dying country.  And Donald Trump has made that point consistently.

for 40 years. Bring back real jobs. Finance  is not enough. Here's one among a thousand. examples of him saying that. Our politicians have  aggressively pursued a policy of globalization, moving our jobs, our wealth, and our factories  to Mexico and overseas. Globalization has made. the financial elite who donate to politicians  very, very wealthy. But it's left millions of our.

workers with nothing but poverty and heartache.  Every word of that is true. And if you don't. believe it, drive from Los Angeles to New York  City if you dare. Stop along the way. Stay in. local hotels, motel, and ask yourself, "What is  this? Is this the country I remember?" No. This. is a poor country in many places, especially  outside the cities. And some of our cities are.

becoming really poor, including Los Angeles, our  second biggest city. This is a crisis and it is. primarily an economic crisis and its downstream  effects are countless and they include all kinds. of social crises. But at the heart of this is an  economy that has been completely hollowed out by. finance. And it's not actually the Chinese who  did this. It's Americans who did this. Actually,

the Chinese never invaded this country and stole  our manufacturing jobs. They didn't occupy our. factories. They didn't force, you know, 10 more to  make its washing machines in Wuhan. No, American. companies were sold peacemeal to the Chinese for  the profit of the people who owned those companies. or who were financing who owned the debt on those  companies, etc., etc. That's just true. And Trump.

has said that again and again and again. and  he got elected president on it. So that is the. fourth pillar of MAGA. Bring back a real economy.  Globalization is not working for the United States. at all. Most Americans agree with that. That's  why Trump got the majority of the popular vote. And the fifth pillar of MAGA is very simple. Free  speech. It's our birthright. It's the first right. enumerated in the Bill of Rights. It was given to  us by God. The purpose of having the US government.

is to protect that right among several others.  But that is the most basic human right. That is. the difference between slavery and freedom. Can  you say what you actually think? Now censorship. is an is an ongoing threat in every society  at every time in history. The powerful do not. want the people over whom they rule to complain  about the way they're ruling or complain about. their behavior or in our case complain about their  looting. And so they devised all kinds of schemes,

sometimes dressed up as religious precepts. That's  a blasphemy. You can't say that. In our secular. age, those same attempts have been dressed  up as sensitivity. Oh, you're being mean to. black people. You can't say that about the LGBT  community. Oh, that's anti-Semitic. Whatever it. is, those demands for censorship have been couched  as a way to protect marginalized groups. But they. remain what they've always been, an attempt to  keep less powerful people from criticizing the.

most powerful people. That's exactly what they  are. They're attempts at censorship always. And Donald Trump in his relentless attacks on  quote woke culture has been the most effective. articulator of this in American politics in a  generation, a century maybe ever. Donald Trump. has stood up against censorship, whether he knew  he was doing it or not, from the very first day. by saying things you weren't allowed to say and  then not apologizing for them. broadening the.

boundaries of acceptable discourse in public,  taking the flak for, you know, broadening the. famous Overton window again and again and again.  Here's just one example from the last campaign. of Trump explaining why wokeness is really just  an attempt to make you shut up. Americans are. exhausted trying to keep up with the latest list  of approved words and phrases. and the ever more.

restrictive political decrees. Many things have  a different name now and the rules are constantly. changing. The goal of cancel culture is to make  decent Americans live in fear of being fired, expelled, shamed, humiliated, and driven from  society as we know it. The far-left wants to coers. you into saying what you know to be false. and  scare you out of saying what you know to be true.

Exactly. Very nicely put, of course, from his  acceptance speech last summer in Milwaukee when. he got the Republican nomination for president.  Cancel culture is a synonym for censorship, the. effect to coers people into repeating slogans they  know are not true and not stating the obvious, the true things out loud. That is censorship  and Donald Trump took a public stand against.

it again and again and again and led by example on  this question again and again and again. That is. the fifth pillar of MAGA. So to restate there are  five components of the MAGA movement ideological. components pillars and they are America first the  belief the guiding principle above all others that. every decision the US government makes ought  to be to the benefit of the United States. Two, a country has to have borders. The people who live  in a country decide who lives here. No one else.

decides. The people of the country should be in  charge of who their neighbors are because they own. the country. Number three, no more pointless wars.  We've done it. It hasn't worked. This country has. not actually won a war decisively since 1945. And  we did that with the help of Joseph Stalin. So, let's get real. This hasn't worked. And we haven't  done it for ourselves. We've done it for others. through lobbying campaigns, pressure campaigns,  and ideological nonsense that in retrospect looks.

completely absurd. And those of us who fell for it  are deeply ashamed that we did because it was dumb. then and even dumber now. Three, globalization  has not worked for the United States. You can't. have an economy based on real estate and finance.  Sorry, maybe if you're Hong Kong or Singapore, but a continent sized country needs to make  things. Finance and real estate are not productive. industries. One just keeps reselling a piece of  ground. Maybe you improve it a little bit, but. ultimately what have you created? And the other  basically just loans money and interest. Now,

they probably have a place in a broader economy,  but if your whole economy is just finance and real. estate, your country is going to die. And ours  is to the benefit of a small number of people, but not to the benefit of the 350 million  who live here. And five, pillar number five, free speech is is the basis of America. That's the  fundamental human right that this country exists. to protect. And so any attempt to bridge it must  be fought tooth and nail. Period. So you would.

think that every Republican would agree with all  of these. In fact, you think every Democrat would. These are not controversial ideas. These are  not let's round our enemies up or something or. like these are not crazy. These are foundational  American ideals. Trump has from day one been a. moderate. Actually, what's immodderate about those  goals? Nothing except that they challenged the way.

that things were done. And so, if you look at it  with clear eyes backward for the last 10 years, Donald Trump's real battle has not been against  Democrats. It's been against Republicans. Donald. Trump was not a Republican before he ran for  president. He was a Democrat or an independent. or a frequent talk show guest or a beauty pageant  host or whatever, but he was not a Republican. And. so his real battle was then and is now against  the Republican party. And the existing players. in that party hated all five pillars, all five,  because they were a direct challenge to their.

stewardship of the party and the country over  decades. And by this point, the Republican party. had been so captured by special interest,  by donors, that they were committed to the. opposite on all five on all five. They were not  acting. They didn't put the country's interests. above all others in their decision-making. That's  ridiculous. They did absolutely nothing nothing.

to secure the border. And they still aren't. Ted  Cruz, who's a big MAGA guy. Ted Cruz, of course, ran against Trump in 2016, but Ted Cruz was a  sitting senator from Texas for the entire Biden. administration where they sent over 12 million  people into his state illegally over the border. Now, if Ted Cruz had held like a press conference  every week and said to the governor of his state, Greg Abbott, "I'm the senator from Texas. Our  state's being invaded. It's an entry point for.

the country. This is destroying Texas and America.  Mobilize the National Guard today and seal that. border. And if that precipitates a conflict  with the federal government, so be it. This is. illegal. It's immoral. And it's going to wreck  this country. National Guard exists for a reason. Use it now. If he'd done that, that would have  happened. But he didn't cuz he was busy serving. his masters in another country, which is not our  country. And that is true not just of Ted Cruz, who's the most kind of pathetic craven example,  but of so many Republican politicians. They didn't.

want closed borders because their donors didn't  want closed borders. Of course, they were all. in on the war on terror. And they refused even to  look backwards and assess whether or not what they. had advocated for had succeeded. They were all in  on the Iraq war like I was. But the difference is. they refused to admit that they were wrong. And  millions of people died as a result of that, of their being wrong. And our treasury was emptied  and the US dollar devalued completely to the point.

where gold is over 4,000 today. Why is that? Maybe  because we spent like $6 trillion on the war on. terror, got nothing out of it. We sent pallets of  cash to warlords in various countries. What do we. get out of that? Nothing. We armed the Taliban.  What do we get out of that? Nothing. The whole. thing was insane. If you can't say that was bad,  if you can't say I'm sorry for supporting that, you're a deeply corrupt person. And Trump  called them out and they hated him for it. As to. globalization, they benefited from it. Of course,  they're tools of the finance class. Of course, every one of them. They had no real interest in  ending that. And on free speech, perhaps most.

shamefully of all, the Republican party's core  institutions, its publications, National Review, the New York Post, Fox News, whatever,  its think tanks, too many even to mention, all of them acted not as guardians of free speech,  pushing the limits of acceptable discourse, encouraging people to open their minds and think  creatively about what's best for the country. No, they acted as scolds, as crossing guards, forcing  their fellow conservatives to shut up and get back.

in lane. That's the whole career of William  F. Buckley was telling fellow conservatives. that's not acceptable. They weren't for free  speech. They were just the opposite. They were. sensors. And Trump exposed all of that. And they  hated him for it. All of them. There are very few. Republican office holders in 2016 or 2020 or 2024  or even right now in October of 2025 who sincerely.

like Trump. They hate Trump because he represents  everything they're opposed to. They hate Trump, including people who work for Trump, hate  Trump. And some of them said it out loud. Here's one of Trump's new best friends back  in 2016 explaining how much he hates Donald. Trump. At some point, you got to stand up to  it. I do not like bullies and I never have. So, I will not be voting for Donald Trump. And he  can thank Roger Stone. And if they piss me off one.

more time, I'm going to urge millions and millions  of you, should he get the nomination, not to vote. for him either. I'm very serious about this. Mark  Levin is very serious about this. So, why was. Mark Leavin mad? Why was he so mad? Why was Bill  Crystal so mad? They were both kind of for Trump, actually. I remember very well. I knew them. and a  lot of other people in Washington, very much like. them. Why were they so mad at Trump? Well, that  was early April of 2016. That was a few weeks.

after Trump announced at that earlier referenced  primary debate in South Carolina that the Iraq war. was a mistake. Whoa, that was too far. Because any  politician who will acknowledge that the Iraq war. was a mistake probably won't get on board with the  future Iraq war. And that's all they cared about. was more Iraq wars waged on behalf of another  country, its interest, not ours. Irrelevant the. damage to the United States, irrelevant the cost,  irrelevant the death toll. They wanted politicians.

who would do that again. And anyone who called  it a mistake probably wouldn't. And so it's just. worth remembering that some of Donald Trump's  staunchest allies, the ones always telling you, lecturing you about MAGA and telling you who's in,  who's out, you're not MAGA, you're not MAGA. Those. very same people disagree with every single one of  Donald Trump's five stated ration for running. And.

much more important than that, all five reasons  that tens of millions of Americans voted for him. They don't just disagree with Trump. They disagree  with the bulk of the country who want these things. badly. And those people are now telling you,  "Oh, you're not mega. This is the pigs and the. men becoming indistinguishable in the final scene  of Animal Farm." And again, it's organic. This. happens to all institutions. It will happen unless  someone stops it. Unless there is a clear and.

persistent and repeated articulation of what we're  doing here. What is this about? Is it about one. guy? No, it's not. Sorry. It's not about one guy.  A guy to whom most of us will always be grateful. for articulating vitally important principles  out loud, being the first one in my lifetime. to do so. God bless you for doing that. But it's  bigger than any person. It's about the survival. of the country and it's about these five facts,  these principles, these pillars. That's what MAGA.

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Trump's earliest supporters, someone who supported  Donald Trump, not because she thought he was super. charismatic or so great or hilarious, but she in  addition to those qualities, she agreed with all. five things. Marjorie Taylor Green was a business  owner in Georgia in 2016 who was at the first. Trump rallies that year, continued going to Trump  rallies, and by the end of Trump's first term, was. so inspired by Donald Trump and what he was saying  that she ran for Congress. And she, unlike most of.

her colleagues in that body, actually meant it.  And because they could smell that she meant it, because sincerity is by far the most dangerous  quality in Washington, someone who really means. it is an actual threat. Thomas Massie isn't a  threat because he won't accept Apac money. Thomas. Massiey's a threat because he won't accept Apac  money on principle. Not because he hates Jews or. hates Israel. He doesn't. But because he doesn't  think American politicians should be bought by. foreign countries. That's against his principles.  And because he really means it. He can't be.

bought. So of course he must be destroyed. And  now Marjorie Taylor Green who of all 535 members. of the 435 members house representatives  embodies most purely those principles and. she has cleaved to those principles. She has  stuck to them through the years and for that. is now being written out of the movement  by maga stalwarts like Ted Cruz and Lindsey. Graham and Mark Levin. None of whom agree with a  single word Trump says and all of whom hate him.

So, we thought it'd be interesting to talk to her  and ask, "Will it succeed? Will you be kicked out. of the movement that you are a core part of?" I  don't know. Let's ask her. Congresswoman Marjorie. Taylor Green of Georgia joins us now. Hi, Tucker.  Congresswoman, thanks so much for doing this. So, I keep reading that you are not representative  of MAGA and I that's why I want to have this. conversation because I just want to get on tape  before Wikipedia erases the past completely and.

we have no reference points that you you are not  a latecomer to the Trump phenomenon. Correct. Oh, no. I've been I've been on the Trump train since  2015 back when I was just a regular person. uh had didn't even have an idea about running  for Congress. Uh he's, as a matter of fact, you. laid out those five pillars and I was listening  to these clips of Donald Trump and I'm like, "Oh my gosh, I love that man." And those are  all the reasons I supported him from the very.

beginning when he stood on that stage among 17  Republican presidential candidates. And the rest. of them I thought were slimy politicians, but  Donald Trump spoke the language that I understood. and he was the one that made sense to me. You know  that Trump is really hated by your colleagues and. by almost every single person in Washington.  Not not every single There are people at the. White House who sincerely love Trump. I know  that to be true. But the overwhelming majority.

of Republicans in Washington secretly hate Trump  and they're too afraid of him to say so. But they. they hate him. Lindsey Graham, obviously Ted Cruz  really hates him. Mark Levin openly hates him, but they hate him because they don't agree.  And you know that because in the last 10 years, there has been, other than you and Massie  and a few others, there have been almost no. elected officials in Washington to articulate what  exactly MAGA is about. Have you noticed that? Uh,

that's absolutely correct. Um, 1,000%. MAGA,  let's take let's take that acronym. There's. only one country in MAGA and it's America. And  I can tell you right now, I want to expand on. how much Republicans hate Donald Trump. I became a  member of Congress in January of 2021. I had only. been sworn in for three full days when January  6 happened. And I I can tell you firsthand, every single Republican there in Congress  literally literally turned their back on.

Donald Trump after January 6. And he didn't even  do it. He had nothing to do with what happened. that day. He didn't cause it. It was, you know, it  was a fedsurrection. Antifa was involved and then. many of these poor people got swept up and went  into the capital. And it was myself, Matt Gates, and a few others. We were the only ones that  stayed, you know, said that he's our president. He is he's the leader of the Republican party. The  American people will not abandon him. I did not.

abandon him. As a matter of fact, I fought my own  Republican colleagues for years, literally years, until he finally won the primary in 2024. That  was when they begrudgingly, literally begrudgingly. started saying, "Okay, I I support Donald Trump.  He's our nominee." And they still hated him. They. absolutely hated him. I can remember um I can  remember Mike Lawler uh coming up and saying, you.

know, he hated he hated Donald Trump openly. Used  to make fun of him all the time. And then all of a. sudden after Donald Trump won in 2024, he finally  decided it was time to put on a MAGA hat. It just. made me sick. But these people are so fake. The  only reason that they kiss up to Donald Trump, our president, the only reason they kiss up to  him, is because they're terrified of a true social. post, because they're terrified of their own  constituents that fully support a MAGA, that fully.

support America first and fully support everything  that Donald Trump has laid out now for years and. years. And you know, Americans got to the point  where electing Donald Trump was a referendum on. the Republican party. And I very much feel  that because many times I hate my own party. and I blame Republicans for many of the problems  that we have today. And I blame them for being so. America last to the point where they are literally  slaves to all the big industries in Washington,

the military industrial complex, big pharma,  health insurance industries, you name it. They are. literally slaves to them and they love the foreign  war so much. But but Donald Trump was a referendum. to the Republican party on behalf of the American  people, the forgotten man and woman of America. that were just so so sick of Washington DC. And um  that's that was me. Absolutely. That has been me. the entire time. That's me today literally serving  as a member of Congress. Um and that's why people.

see me push back on my own party. Well, they've  been pushing back on you since the second you. get there. you got there. I mean, you didn't  they wouldn't give you committee assignments. because they could smell in you incorruptibility,  sincerity, and and they they hated you for that. They literally slandered you before you even  arrived. Your own party. I hate to bring up a. sore subject, but it was just the most interesting  thing I think I've ever watched in Washington. And they turned out to be absolutely right. You  were incorruptible, which is why you're here. So.

what does it feel like to be the person who stood  consistently with the series of principles, these. five principles from 2016 to present, one of the  only ones, to see people who hated Donald Trump, still hate Donald Trump, try to read you out of  the movement and take it over. Oh, it's, you know, I can tell you I feel great. I sleep perfect every  single night. my my voting record is a direct.

reflection of me standing with those policies  and never wavering or changing anything. Um, when I go back home to my district, Tucker, which  I've been here a lot because Mike Johnson won't. bring us back to work, but when I'm back in my  district, I go to the grocery store, I get hugs, I get hellos, I go to restaurants, I get thank  yous. Um, and I go around as a normal person. in my district. And I really love it because I  these people know me and they know the hard work.

that I put in for them and they know I haven't  changed one single bit. When I'm in Washington DC, it's a completely different matter. Um they the  Republicans that I work with, they they know they. literally know that they are having to to serve  this agenda as long as the president is is there. in office and they look at him like a speed bump.  Um, many of them can't wait to get him out of the. way and so they can just go back to doing business  as usual. And I find that repulsive. Absolutely.

repulsive. And here I'll give you an example. So  right now, Tucker, um, you know, a lot of people. are happy about the government shutdown and but  I I really have no respect for the House not. being in session and I have no respect for Speaker  Johnson not calling us back to Washington because. we should be passing bills. We should be passing  bills that reflect the president's executive. orders, which are exactly what we voted for. We  should be at work on our committees. We should be.

doing investigations. Um, and you want to know  something? We should be passing the discharge. petition that Thomas Massie put in to release the  Epstein files. Those are the things that we should. be doing. And we most of all, Tucker, we should  be passing our appropriation bills to actually. fund the government and fund important projects  that taxpayer dollars, these people pay their. taxes. This is how taxpayer dollars come back to  your districts. We should be doing that. But no,

we're not. And and these are the things that this  is why I have no respect so many times for our. party because they get on board and they campaign  and they say America first and they try to. utter and mimic these Donald Trump talking points.  But when it actually comes to getting to work and. and delivering those talking points into action  for the American people, the people that voted for. them, the people that knocked doors for them, that  the sweet little ladies that gave $3 crumpled up.

dollars out of their pocketbook, I mean, all these  people that work so hard to give us the majority, when it comes time to doing that, what are we  doing? We're sitting at home. And that's that's. something that grinds me. Absolutely grinds  me. have no respect for it. But when it comes. to the Republican party, you're exactly right in  everything you said. The Mark Leven, the the Ted. Cruz's, the Lindsey Grahams, they're just playing  the game. Literally playing the game and trying to.

tell the American people, "Oh, oh, no, we carry  the MAGA manel. Um, we support the president.". It's people like Marjorie Taylor Green and others  that don't. And they're just lying. They're. absolutely lying. their careers. They just want  to stay in power. Mark Leven wants to keep talking. so he can promote Israel as much as possible over  America. And they really don't care about actually. delivering the agenda that the American people  desperately want. You ever feel like the end of. the month all of your money's gone? Where'd it go?  Well, one of the places it went is to unnecessary.

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versus how many have been killed by Iranians? I  I don't think in this country I don't think we've. had any Americans killed by Iranians. We've  had a lot of Americans killed by Haitians. A. lot. And yet Haitians get special protected  status, but we're bombing Iran. And I just. felt like that would be the kind of America  first way to think about it. You know what? Let's create a hierarchy of threats and let's  just start with the death the death toll and. no Americans have been killed on American soil by  Iran, you know, in my memory. So, I'm not saying.

Iran is great. I'm not endorsing Iran, but I'm  saying from an American perspective that that's. not even in the top 25 list of threats to us. So  all these Republicans I kind of expected to say. I Mike Johnson is a completely corrupt person but  not Mike Johnson but like people with souls in the. legislative bodies. I expected someone to stand up  and say that and they all went along with it and. they cheered it. Like what was that? They didn't  mean anything. They said exactly what honestly.

what was that? I I I laughed so hard because I  was like, you know, Fox News and everyone tells. me that Houthies are the most dangerous human  beings on the planet and I literally can't find a. single Houthie in my district. I can't Well, can I  just say we are now since we bombed the Houthies, consistent with American history over the past 70  years, we're going to import a lot of Houthies. just if we've imported a ton of Afghans and Iraqis  and you know every country we bomb then gets to.

move here under some special protected z we're  going to have a we're going to have full Houthy. neighborhoods in North Georgia very soon so get  psyched for that okay well that'll be the first. time we see him and because I don't know what one  looks like I literally have no idea what a hoofy. looks like um I've I've never been to Iran I don't  know why I have to hate them so much but but you. know they've told me over over and over again for  30 plus years that they're going to have a nuclear.

weapon any moment now and they're going to bomb  America and bomb Israel. Still hasn't happened. I was, you know, another thing when um when we  bombed Iran on behalf of Israel, by the way, it was pretty interesting to me that hell was  not unleashed like we were told it was going to. be. And I didn't see hell be unleashed on Israel.  As a matter of fact, um there the Iron Dome that. America funds, it worked and people in Israel  were safe and people in America were safe. We.

didn't sing see a single bomb fall on our heads,  on our homes, on our neighborhoods. We didn't see. anything happen here like that has happened to  Gaza now for for months and months and months. We. didn't see children and toddlers uh being blown  to pieces. We didn't we didn't hear about these. horror stories. We didn't witness it and feel it.  But this is a lie that we are constantly told over.

and over and over again that we have to hate these  people in the Middle East. We have to hate these. foreign countries. We have to hate Russia because  Hollywood tells us that Russia is the ultimate. bad guy and then we have to be told that, you  know, we're going to go to war with Russia. Well, guess what? We've been at war with Russia through  Ukraine for years now. And it's absurd. And then. the really most disturbing one is ever since I've  been a member of Congress, they've been telling me. that we're going to go to war with China, which I  find absolutely absurd. And I'm like, why are we.

going to war with China? Is there any reason for  us to go to war with China? But it's a really sick. obsession, Tucker, that I think everyone is sick  and tired of is the fact that American people work. so hard and pay extremely high taxes for their tax  dollars that have to constantly be used to to sell. weapons and deliver weapons and pay countries  to kill people. And I can't understand that. And people are so sick and tired of it. And the  veterans in my district are sick and tired of it.

Um, but for some reason this is the continuation  of what Washington DC does, no matter who's in. charge, Democrats or Republicans. And that's why  Donald Trump is absolutely 1,000% right in saying. no more foreign wars, no more American tax dollars  paying for this blood and murder industry. and. and he that that is one of the single reasons I  think led to his first election and has led to his.

but we're at a pivot point where the people who  cheered on the wars in I mean name the countries. Iraq Afghanistan Libya Syria against the Houthis  whoever they are those people are poised they seem. to be to take over the Republican party I mean I  thought the whole point of Trump's ascendance was.

to change the party to make it consistent with  what Republican voters and not just Republican. voters, lots of Democrats switched over to vote  for Trump cuz they wanted those five pillars. And. all of a sudden, the people who've for generations  wrecked this country seem on the verge of stealing. the MAGA copyright, slapping it on their own polo  shirts, and running the Republican party. I mean, how is this happening? I I have no idea. But  it's what they always do. It's it's what they.

did in his first term. And now we're watching it  unfold again. And is is disgusting. And people. are pissed. I'm talking about pissed. Everyone I'm  talking to at home is going, "Hold on now. Uh why. are we considered hateful and anti-semitic if we  don't want to pay for Israel's wars constantly? That doesn't make us anti-semitic and hateful. We  want our money to stay here at home because you. want to know something? People are hurting here  at home. Oh, I know. Food prices are high. Rent is.

high. Home prices are ridiculously high. Cars are  high. Auto insurance, home insurance. Um, health. insurance is insane. Uh, energy prices are high.  I I can tell you that in my own electric bills, they're much more expensive than they were even  a year ago. The Democrats destroyed our economy. absolutely murdered us with high inflation and  their absolute failures for four years. But here. now it's it should be the focus the biggest focus  from Republicans in Washington DC and the Trump.

administration the people that get to have these  jobs Tucker because people like me worked my ass. off and spent millions of dollars fighting to get  Donald Trump elected. Well, you know, those people. that get to have their hoyy toy jobs in the White  House, they should be grateful to people like me. Not and and Mark Levin and all these other people,  they shouldn't be putting me down. I helped put. that man there because I never backed away from  him and I never backed down and I believe in what.

he wants to do for this country. But what we have  going on right now, I mean, seriously, look at it. It's a revolving door at the White House. A  revolving door of foreign leaders and prime. ministers and presidents all with their hands  out demanding money and demanding attention and. demanding America do this. I mean, let's take for  example this $40 billion bailout for Argentina. That's probably one of the grossest things I've  ever seen. And I have no idea who is telling our.

great president, our America first president, that  this is a good idea because it's honestly it's a. punch in the gut to all of our American cattle  ranchers and they are furious and rightfully. so. And at the same time, I can't think of another  country that's further away from the United States. of America than than Argentina. It's literally  at the bottom of South America in the Southern. Hemisphere and we're all the way up here at the  top. I don't know how that's America first. But.

the problem, Tucker, is is it's it's Washington DC  is unchangeable. Absolutely unchangeable. And they. have hijacked our movement and it's t they're  taking it away from the campaign promises of. America first and turning in to everything that  we hate. We hate globalism. We hate bailing out. foreign countries. We hate foreign wars. We  hate industries overseas. We want industries. supported here at home and you got people talking  about it. It's people are not silent anymore. But.

unless somebody stands up and articulates what  this was all about, it's not just about any one. person. It's about a set of principles that will  save the country, make America great again, then. you will see the nature of the movement change  completely. I mean, as I sit here right now, Laura Loomer is some kind of informal adviser  to the Defense Department wandering around the. Pentagon, Laura Loomer. And you, meanwhile, the  most consistent defender of these principles.

in the whole Congress, there's talk of funding a  primary challenge to you to knock you out of your. job. Like, what do how does that work? How does  Laura Loomer get to be a Pentagon adviser, but you. get primar? Like, what is what is that? I don't  know. I've never understood why anyone takes her. serious. I mean, this is a woman that can't even  legally buy a gun because she has such serious. mental problems. Uh she literally posted the other  day that she blew blood vessels in her eye as she.

was hysterically tweeting, you know, like 40 or  50 times in in one day. Who listens to a person. like that? Like no one should. And there's only  one cares about and that's Israel. It's nonstop. Israel. Nonstop. And that seems to be the the  overarching theme. And you know, look, we always. have to, you know, say our disclaimer. This isn't  about Jewish people. This is about the government.

of Israel. This is about their military. And  this is about them demanding non-stop demanding, America, pay attention to Israel. Do what Israel  wants. Fight Israel's wars and pay for them. And if you don't, then we're going to come after  anyone and everyone that gets in the way of that. And if you're wondering why people are talking  about primary me, well, it's because I don't take. any money from Apac. I've called for Apac to be  registered under Farah. I've introduce amendments.

to defund all of our American tax dollars from  going to Israel every single year. Billions and. billions of dollars every single year. But I've  also done that for a slew of other countries. It's not just Israel. It's a whole bunch of other  countries. Egypt, Ukraine, you name it. I'm just. like enough of the foreign aid. But if you're if  you're willing to step out and you're actually. to say, "Hey, we're not mega, we're MAGA." And  there's a major difference there, then there is.

a group of people that come at you with everything  they have. And that's what they're doing. They've. got bots attached to my account that load my  comment sections with ridiculous lies. Um, they've got paid social media influencers that  literally get paid by Israel and or by Israel. aligned donors to attack me constantly every  single day. But let me tell you something, Tucker. People are people are too smart nowadays.  And that's what's great. People have had it and.

I think they learned a lot of lessons through co.  They learned how to see through the lies and read. through the propaganda. and it there may be this  like little flurry of attack on me that exists on. X, you know, but out in the real world, that's  not what I feel. And those are not the comments. that I get. And I think that's the case for me.  Um, not only me, but I also think that's the case. for Thomas Massie. Um, he has massive support in  his district in Kentucky. Um, even though it looks.

online like he is just the worst human being on  the planet. Um, but no, it's it's just not the. case. So, Massie has um gotten in a fight, like a  personal fight with the president. Unfortunately, I think it has gotten personal. I should say I  don't agree with every Massiey's more libertarian. than I am, but of all the members other than you  of the Congress, I know, I know a lot of them, he's the most principled. He's also a thoroughly  decent man, like actually. and his personal life,

if you and I know a lot about it, is like one  of the most impressive things I've ever heard. He is self-reliant in the in the most American  sense. This is a guy who lives off-rid in the. house he built himself and every one of his votes  is a voter in principle. So, I don't know how you. couldn't admire a guy like that. I get that  he annoys the president personally. Got it. But I don't think there are many people in the  country who live out Donald Trump's own stated. principles more precisely than Thomas Massie does.  What the hell is going on that he is a target,

but Lindsey Graham has an endorsement? And by  the way, I just want to say clearly I will do. everything I possibly can to make sure Lindsey  Graham is not reelected. Not because I like. Lindsey Graham personally. He's a super charming  nice guy. But if Lindsey Graham continues to get. elected, then the whole MAGA thing is totally  fake. It's just fake. So, like, what is this? Most coffee companies sell weakness, watered  down drinks from faceless corporations that. don't care about you or your family. Black Rifle,  which not to brag, is in this cup right here,

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guy. I I sincerely say it all the time because I  genuinely do. Um but I'll also tell you, I love. Thomas Massie. Love Thomas Massie. He's one of  my favorite members of Congress that I work with. um you know and and Thomas Massie isn't always a  no vote. That's a lie that's been told about him. I personally worked with him on a very important  bill that we passed a couple of years ago and he.

and I voted on something that we swore we would  never vote on and that was to increase the debt. ceiling. But the only reason we gave our vote  for that is because we traded it for something we. wanted and we stuck together on it. We wanted a 1%  cut to the budget. Just 1%. 1%. And 1% is actually. massive. And this was Thomas Massiey's plan. He  came up with it. And so I partnered with him and. we went to leadership and we we pushed it and we  said, "Listen, okay, you can get our vote for for.

this debt ceiling increase that you want that we  didn't want to do. We don't want to have anything. to do with that. We're conservatives, but we will  do it only if you promise to put in the bill a one. a guaranteed 1% cut to the budget. And we were  willing to do it. So, we had a other group of. really conservative Republicans that that were  like, "Yeah, we want to do that, too." And so, we did it. And guess what? That became law. It  was it was a guaranteed 1% budget cut. And to me,

someone that really cares about our national debt  and the ridiculous amount of spending that happens. in Congress year after year, I was like, "This  is actually a victory." But what people need to. understand is that's the perfect example of work  Thomas Ma Massie and and myself too and others. willing to work within the conference and willing  to negotiate and willing to say, "All right, I'll. give you something you want, but you have to give  me something that I want." And that's that's what.

he's capable of doing. And it was for the good the  good of the entire country. My god. A 1% cut in. the budget. That that never ever happens. But here  they lie about him every day and they call him, "Oh, he's no on everything and he he won't vote  for anything." And that's absolutely not true. And I'm a I am an a witness, a literally a living  witness to watching Thomas Massie work diligently. within our conference among Republicans and  saying, "Okay, I'll give you something you want if.

you give this to me." But it was so important. It  wasn't for Thomas Massie. It's for for my God, for. our children, grandchildren to actually reduce the  budget and work on this national debt. And these. are the stories. I could tell many of these about  Thomas. Um, one of my favorite Tucker, my favorite. story about Thomas is when he actually stood up to  the president and it's it's quite a story because. President Trump was so angry at him and so was  most of the Republican conference. And this is.

a story that I watched unfold on television, not  because I was there in person, because I wasn't I. wasn't a member of Congress yet, but I watched  it as an American citizen. And at that time, I was like, Thomas Massie is right. And it's when  he forced Congress to go on record voting for the. first gigantic, it was $5 trillion uh basically a  bailout when the country shut down during co and.

they were going to let that bill pass $5 trillion  of spending. It's really what started wrecking. our economy with high inflation. But Thomas Massie  would not allow that to be passed by voice because. Congress constitutionally owes it to the American  people to do these things right. And so he went to. Washington and demanded a roll call vote on that  particular bill. And that was the first major.

fight that President Trump and Thomas Massie had.  But I'll tell you, if I had been in Congress then, I would have been right there with Thomas because  I fully agreed with him. Fully agreed with him. I. was 100% at home. I was against the the two weeks  to slow the spread where they shut the country. down. I was so angry about that. I've never been  more angry in my life. And I was cheering Thomas. Massie on at home saying yes, at least there's  one person in Washington willing to to say this is.

crazy and trying to stop it, but at least getting  a recorded vote uh from Congress. And so there's a. lot of stories like that that unfortunately maybe  people don't know about Thomas Massie, but they. should, Tucker. They absolutely should know those  stories and and I'll be happy to always tell them. Well, I think there's an important principle here.  I mean, and I just want to say again, I get why. Trump is mad at Massie, and I'm sorry it's gotten  personal and they're tweaking each other and all. that stuff, but Thomas Massie in the end is one of  the most powerful explainers of Trump's own ideas,

of Trump's own platform, of the reasons Trump  himself got elected president twice. He is on the. most basic bedrock level one of Trump's truest  allies. I know they're pissed at each other, but that's just true. And so you can't allow  that guy to get knocked out. And again, I get. why they're annoyed with him, but you can't allow  him to get primar donors who are not conservative,

who believe in none of the five pillars of MAGA,  who've worked against them their entire lives. You. can't allow that to happen because if you do,  the nature of the movement of the coalition of. the party itself will change forever. And anyone  who stands up for the for the actual principles. of MAGA will be destroyed. And that means  it'll become what it was designed to replace, which is kind of Bill Buckley Republican party.  Right. Right. No, you're right. And those three.

billionaire donors don't even live in his state  or his district. So I don't know if they they. all live in America, actually, but whatever. Yeah.  No. Um, I don't think they do all live in America, but whatever. I don't know. I'm not, you know,  at their houses for dinner. But, um, so is. Massie going to lose? Is he going to come close  to like what's going to happen? I don't think so. I I don't think so. I I have to tell you, I just  there there was a sweet, really sweet moment, and. I'm I I'm glad I got to witness it. It was after  Thomas's wife Rhonda passed away. And you remember.

that? I remember her well. Yeah. Yes. And uh Oh  my god, Thomas. It was terrible. He was completely. wrecked. Totally wrecked as a as a human, as a  man. He just It was one of the saddest things I've. seen. And um you know, here's what's so special  about Donald Trump. He called Thomas and they had.

a very nice phone call. And I was witness to that  phone call. And um I can tell you that that moved. Thomas's heart. He was so grateful, literally  so grateful when President Trump called him and. expressed his condolences and talked to him and  they just shared something so so beautiful between. human beings. Um just talking about a time when a  man is completely broken because he lost his wife. and then President Trump did what he is so good at  doing. Why we love him so much is he'll dive into.

a moment of brokenness um for another person. And  that was that was so great. And I I tell you what, if those two men if those two men actually could  come together, our our America first agenda would. be unstoppable because Thomas Massie doesn't waver  in Congress and Donald Trump never waivers in the.

Oval Office. And that that would be something that  I would love to see happen rather than these three. big rich donors that hate Thomas Massie because  he he won't vote for funding to Israel instead of. these three billionaire donors trying to take him  out and lie to his district. Um and and why why is. a Republican attacking a Republican? None of this  should be happening. No. Um if they came together, I I think it'd be it'd be an unstoppable choice.  I I agree because the choice is Thomas Massie,

a man of principle, a patriot, a truly decent  person, a self-reliant American of the kind we. need more of, or you know, the kind of people  who have just no regard for the country at all, who who just who use it like a disposable product,  who just don't care at all. And I would include, you know, Lindsey Graham and Ted Cruz and  Mark Levin. You can't have them take over. So, um, where does this go? like where is kind of the  victory for the actual MAGA people here? Well,

that's something that the So, this will work out  um the way that it should. The people will get. to vote and in his district, they'll get to  decide. Are they going to be swayed by these. millions and millions of dollars to put ads on  television that lie about their representative. that they've had for years? He's not new. He's  been there for years. They know him very well. And they will actually get to decide if they want  to keep him. And if they keep him, then that tells.

the political consultants that are just making  money off of this whole thing. It'll basically. be a big f you. And screw you. You lost. And  these billionaire donors, you don't get to buy a. district. You don't get to tell a group of people  that that they can't have their representative. that they have voted for over and over again. By  the way, in the high 70s and 80% he he has voted.

in the you know if that if that happens then  I will tell you Tucker then our our country is. gone. If if if billionaire donors that literally  put another country another foreign country before. our own are able to buy a congressional seat then  the American people completely lose representation. and that that's assuming they have it now. I  mean 70 about 70% 70% and this is across both.

parties of members of Congress take APAC money.  That's gone on for my whole life as far as I know, but no one ever talked about it until this  year. And now people understand what that is. if it's a foreign lobby. Uh acting on behalf  of a foreign government. And I just wonder, can that continue? Can people I mean like will  there be a town hall meeting with a member of. Congress in the next year where that person isn't  asked like why are you taking money from a foreign. lobby? Oh, I think we're going to see that in  this election cycle. It's already happening.

Um, I just saw that Apac is now um trying to get  donations to their their politicians they support. through back channels, not directly coming from  Apac so it doesn't show up on their FC reports. That's a big deal because people have had it.  People are so sick of it. They don't want their. elected leaders to be bought off uh for a foreign  country, any foreign country, not just Israel, any foreign country. Um, but they are so offended  by Apac. And they're offended. You want to know.

why? They're offended because Apac doubles  down. And they're offended because Mark Levin. calls every single one an anti-semite and every  single name that he can sputter out of his hateful. little face as as he is so angry because people  aren't bowing down and blowing up all of Israel's. enemies. And and it's like and it's when Ted Cruz  is is losing his mind because people like me and. you are just simply wanting to do what's right  for our country and for our kids and our American.

businesses and our American border and Ted Cruz  can't take it. And it's it's like that has gotten. so in the face of just right in people's faces  so hard that it's the whole thing is breaking and. falling apart. like this this train has left the  station. It's not coming back. Especially with the. younger generation. I know you talked to them. Uh  I guess that was yesterday and I think you heard.

it firsthand. I hear it firsthand all the time.  And it's even it's not just the younger generation. though. It's it's in the millennials. It's in Gen  X. And it's even seeping into the boomers. But the. whole propaganda machine that has been spoonfed  to Christians, whether it's in the pews at church. or or Bible study or through coming through the  television or through their politicians mouths, that we have to do everything for Israel. That's  the only way we're going to go to heaven. America.

will be cursed if we don't. That whole lie is  breaking apart. And thank God it is because I as. a Christian, you as a Christian, we know there's  only one way and it's through Jesus Christ. He is. our savior. He died on a cross for us. He rose  from the dead in three days. He is the one and. only living son of God. And he is seated at the  right hand of the father. And he's going to come. again one day to judge the living and the dead.  And that is the way you go to heaven. And that. is the truth. And that is the light. And that is  the only way that we should think and believe.

And it doesn't come to bowing down to Israel, the  government of Israel or the military of Israel or. any politician. And and the shaming, the shaming  that we have received and the shaming that carries. on is actually what is destroying them completely  destroying them. It's destroying not only them, it's destroying the social media influencers that  are taking money that it is destroying everyone. that gets sucked into this great deception.  And that's what it is, Tucker. It is a great.

deception, but thank God people are waking up  to it. Yeah, I know the the uh Israel's foreign. ministry has paid a lot of people to slander me  as a bigot, but I just want to be clear that the. people I'm most upset with are not Israelis or  Jews. They're Christian ministers, self-described. Christian ministers who are preaching heresy. That  really offends me. I mean, I understand Israel is. a, you know, is a country that's seeking every  possible advantage. It's a small country. It's 9.

million people. It's an irrelevant country really  and it's made itself relevant through pluck and. aggression and violence and lobbying and you know  I kind of respect that in a way. You know they're. making their way in the world. It's you know they  don't have a lot and they're trying you know to. leverage everything that they do have. So I get  it. I don't like it but I get it and I do respect. it in some ways. But what I don't respect, what  I'm horrified by is Christian ministers making. excuses for the murder of Christians or anyone  else actually for that matter. Right? And they.

should know better. It is heresy. It's misleading.  A lot of the best people in the country. A lot of. the Christian Zionist evangelicals are like  wonderful people, like wonderful people, like my favorite people actually. and they've  been completely brainwashed by this deception. because their leaders are themselves brainwashed  or paid or who knows what their motive is, but. they're they're telling lies. And I I really feel  like they need to be called out above all else.

I I fully agree with you. As a matter of fact,  I did a call last night with and there was many. Christians that are from the West Bank and from  Gaza on the call and they were being uh very. honest about all the hor horrible things that they  have been through themselves and people they know. have been through and the abuse that they take  from the IDF and the abuse that they constantly. take. And these are these are the atrocities that  Americans, especially American Christians, need to.

understand. Um, and it's real. It is constantly  happening. I've heard from so many Christians. in the West Bank about how they are attacked  constantly by settlers. Um, I've heard stories. about how their Christian churches are attacked.  I've heard stories about how Christians there have. been murdered. And if you know, we can put Hamas  aside. If if American Christians can't wake up to. realize that, okay, hold on, we've been lied to  and these these things are actually happening and.

they can't analyze it of of why they're happening  and who is actually doing it, then they really are. lost. They really are blinded. But these stories  that that I'm hearing and being told over and. over again, it's not war propaganda and it it is  very very real and it's some of the worst things. happening in our lifetime. It's just like what's  happening to Christians in Nigeria. Um, there's. real Christian persecution and it's happening  in Gaza and it's happening in the West Bank and.

and it cannot be ignored. And Christian pastors  most of all should be the ones talking about it, not making excuses for Israel and demanding that  the people in their pews donate their money and. and give their loyalty and give their obedience  to the country that is inflicting these horrors. on Christians. these Christian pastors should be  the ones calling it out. Yeah. It's it's one of.

the most shameful things I've I've ever seen in  my life and it's one of the things that offends. me more than anything. Um so I hope they repent  because I think it's really really dark what. they're doing. Last question and this is just kind  of a measure of where the movement is. MAGA where. the Republican party is going where the nation is  going. Ted Cruz is planning to run for president. for the Republican nomination. um next, you know,  in next cycle, next presidential cycle. Uh why? I.

mean, that's Look, I'm not You're in politics.  I'm not I think Ted Cruz is a sad, you know, needs to work on some personal stuff. Um and is  one of the saddest people I've ever known. Well, uh and it's unimaginable to me that he would  run for president. It seems like a joke, but. he clearly believes it. Why does he believe he can  get the Republican nomination, do you think? And. does he have a shot? Well, first of all, Ted Cruz  is from Canada, not Texas. So, I think that is.

Thank you, Marjorie. That's the biggest  disqualifying thing right there. And I. will never ever let it go. Um, if he runs  for president, I'll make sure I spend a. lot of time making sure every American knows  that he's from Canada and not from Texas. No, I'll I'll tell you what's happening going forward.  It is going to be it's going to be serious. People. are not going to accept the standard Republican.  People are watching everyone so close right now.

and they're in it. They don't realize it. They're  under a magnifying glass. Um, not only Ted Cruz, I'll even go to someone I very much like, JD  Vance. He's under a magnifying glass and I don't. know if he realizes it or not. I heard people  talking about why did he go to Israel this week? Why? Again, why is why is he over there?  He should be here. Um, so there's people. watching every single thing that any potential  presidential contender is doing right now and. watching what they're saying. And America voted  for America first and they meant it. And right.

now they're extremely angry. And I I think that a  lot of Republicans in Washington are so tonedeaf. to this they don't even get it. But but many  Americans that voted for Republicans, gave us. the House majority, gave us the Senate majority,  and put our favorite president back into office, Donald Trump, they're mad. And they're they are  really really mad they're they're stepping back. They're taking a hard look and they're starting  to be vocal about it. They are angry that that.

everything costs so much. They're angry angry that  Republicans refuse to gauge and get engaged and. finally build the offramp to get off of Obamacare  that Democrats created 15 years ago. It's like, come on, solve the problem. Finally, at least  give a policy idea and do something about it. But. these Americans that voted for America first, they  meant it. And here's the warning to Republicans, and I can't say this loud enough. People are going  to sit it out. People are not going to show up and.

work for you and door knock for you and vote for  you and give you money and sit there and hand you. the majority and hand you uh full control over  this country if you're not willing to actually. deliver the agenda that the people demanded, that  the people bought in, that the people are begging. for. Screw the Democrats. They destroyed the  country. Absolutely destroyed the country. We. had Antifa BLM riots in 2020. We had ridiculous  spending, COVID lockdowns, forced masking, forced.

vaccines. They they they torched education by  forcing kids to stay home, weaponized governments. against parents, against prolifers, against J6ers.  This is what the people absolutely remember. And. so when they're looking forward to who they're  voting for and who they're supporting, whether. it's 2026 midterms or the 2028 uh presidential  race, these are the things people are thinking.

about and they haven't forgotten. And they want  someone that they know and they can trust that. is literally going to stick it out and finally  deliver these things because right now they're. mad about a $40 billion bailout to Argentina.  They're really angry that that our American uh. cattle ranchers and beef beef ranchers are getting  screwed and and Argentina beef is going to be sold. into America. They're mad about a lot of things.  They're really mad about a lot of things and.

they're sick and tired of the foreign countries  constantly on television every single day at. the White House. They don't want to see another  foreign leader there. And I love Donald Trump and. I get to say these things because I love him so  much, Tucker. I get to say these things and I get. to tell the truth because when the MAGA train left  the station, I was on it the entire time. And then. when everybody bailed and jumped off on it, I got  out and I helped push it up the [ __ ] mountain,

excuse my language, to get it to the top so that  we could win and get there. And so I get to say. when things are going sideways and when they're  going wrong, I get to say these things. And that's. because my job title is representative. That means  I represent the people and nobody else. And and. you know what? I don't give a [ __ ] about Mark  Levin or Ted Cruz or whatever whoever or somebody. named that has the name Turd in their name or some  Israeli spy named Laura Loomer. I don't care about.

any of these people. They are irrelevant and  mean nothing to me. Absolutely. And you want to. know something? They are the last people that that  Americans that worked hard are ever really going. to trust and support. And so you ask me and I'm  giving you my honest honest answer. I I should say. I think JD and his wife are over there trying to  force Netanyahu to abide by the terms of the peace. agreement. But I uh but I I definitely agree that  you see the stream of people going and wearing the.

outfit and you know getting their pictures  taken at the wall and all that and you know. it does seem like a humiliation ritual. It is a  humiliation ritual obviously. Um it's a dominance. uh exercise and it's it's so humiliating to our  our our country. I I think that that should stop. Do you think so? Have you taken this message to  the White House? I've taken it as loudly and as. I possibly can everywhere. I'm I think the best  thing for me to do is just to say it publicly.

That's the best thing to do is to say it publicly  because everybody knows it. Everybody knows it. And me of all people, I can tell you, Tucker, I  want I want our team to be more successful than. anyone. But I have a really hard time with my team  standing on the sidelines refusing to actually get. in the damn game and play the game and deliver  because I believe in offense. I do not believe.

in defense. And the most the biggest thing that  disgusts me the most is actually sitting and out. and refusing to even get out there [ __ ] play.  Excuse my language, but I am so pissed off at. Republicans right now. This country gave us a  onetime chance and I I have given up a lot of. great things in my life and I see it right now is  you get in there and you get it done and I don't. want to hear another damn excuse if I have to  watch another press conference with Mike Johnson. up there bubbling around saying stupid political  drama stuff and then you have Leader Thoon up.

there pointing his finger at Chuck Schumer and  Chuck Schumer's pointing it back at Thoon. It's. like get the job done. This is This is Everyone's  so sick of the drama. It's so disgusting. It's so. [ __ ] and everyone's over it. So, Republicans  need to get their [ __ ] together. I can see why. they're afraid of you. Um, and I can see why so  many admire you definitely starting with me. So, Marjorie Taylor Green of Georgia, bless you for  what you said. I know how much you mean it. And.

thank you for explaining it so well. Great to see  you. Thank you, Tucker. I appreciate Thank you. And we'll be back next Wednesday uh evening  live at 6 PM Eastern. Thank you very much.

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