Tucker Carlson Reacts to the Vice Presidential Debate (With Special Guest Sen. Mike Lee)

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so it was only a week ago that the. fabled predictions markets had Tim Walls. at. 81% likelihood to win tonight's debate. these are the same markets that. predicted smooth sailing for the Titanic. apparently it was not to be that was one. of the most unbelievable hour and 45. minute television experiences I have. seen in a long time of course you're. required to watch the debate it's. usually hellish your fidget.

that was a pure joy to watch from. beginning to end the very. obvious Topline conclusions the future. of the Republican party is JD Vance. that's what the future looks like that's. where the party is going that's where. its voters are and he is the supremely. articulate spokesman for that brand of. Republican politics uh he is the future. and the second is that it is never a. good idea to choose anybody for any. position on the basis of demographic.

qualifications Tim Walls was chosen by. the Harris campaign because he's a white. guy he is an affirmative action hire and. they're regretting that tonight as you. usually do when you hire people on the. basis of ir relevant criteria so we're. going to spend the next little while. talking about what we just saw we're. going be doing it with a politician. actually sitting politician because. really they're the best situated to. understand a debate the problem is that. most politicians are not worth talking. to particularly members of the United. States Senate I first interned there in.

1986 and I can tell you almost all. senators get worse over time it is a. rare almost unique few who don't and the. one who is joining us tonight is one of. the very few who has instead becoming. rotten dying Soul death has instead. become wiser more skeptical of. government and less controlled during. his time in the United States Senate and. so we are honored to be joined tonight. by Senator Mike Lee of Utah senator. thanks so much thank you thanks for. having so.

what did you think of that well first of. all JD absolutely nailed that he walked. on he he owned the room uh he he was the. master of the mood of the entire. discussion uh he he made reason sound. and be reasonable yes and he was doing. this against an unarmed opponent. somebody who seemed dangerously ill. equipped for the task and I I can't say. enough great things about JD Vance's. performance and enough bad things about. Tim wal's now this is a man who was.

competing this was a three-on-one debate. just as the uh debate hosted by ABC a. few weeks ago was three-on-one against. Donald Trump this was similarly aligned. against JD Vance and yet he completely. completely dominated the entire evening. it was his emotional control is what. struck me most he's very smart um he. friend of mine I know he's very smart. legitimately high IQ character but he. kept his emotions in check in a way that. I could never do he had these shrieking. liberal narcissist.

as the moderators and he had this sort. of sad but also very creepy guy he was. debating and he never one time seemed. annoyed not one time never once and this. is uh something that I was hoping the. rest of the country would get to see. tonight this is the JD advance I know as. a friend and colleague in the Senate. Tucker I can't tell you how many like. that in the Senate exactly like that I I. can't tell you the number of times when. I've seen him uh be accosted questioned. challenged one way or another by.

colleagues sometimes it's Democrats. sometimes it's fellow Republicans but. every single time even when he'd be well. within its right to lose his temper a. little bit or get frustrated or act. annoyed he doesn't he's cool as a. cucumber and and he he he responds with. reason and uh it doesn't act the least. bit of annoyed and truthfully I don't. think he is annoyed he's just taking the. opportunity to illuminate his thoughts. on on the topic and he's very rarely. wrong I mean how how does he do that he.

he acted the way my wife wants me to act. yeah but I can never pull it off right. uh you know practice makes perfect of. course but this also comes from. something deeper inside JD this is who. he is as a person um it was uh raised. under circumstances that have caused him. to realize how deep and how profound how. important these decisions are and he. doesn't have time to mess around he. doesn't have any interest in allowing. himself to become so emotionally. involved in something that he loses his.

ability to explain it coherently wow I. mean I I would have lost it about 15. different times particularly and without. focusing on it but I the moderators I. really hope this is the last time in. American history that CBS which I assume. will be bankrupt by the next election. anyway but that any so-called news. organization like this has any role in a. debate I mean it's a joke right and I I. don't understand how they walk away from. this with any sense of journalistic.

self-respect or or perception of their. own. objectivity what you saw tonight was an. indication that they are um for all. practical purposes the media. Communications wing of the democratic. party they came off so badly yeah they. didn't even do a good job of it no and. there are Charming Democrats maybe you. could find one but I I know both of them. I've worked with both of them actually. um I thought they I mean I can't imagine. their bosses can't see that they were.

that was not a good ad for CBS and then. in the commercial break they start. playing some advertisement for a show. that is itself an advertisement of koni. brown Jackson or whatever however she's. pronouncing her name on the Supreme. Court that was a tongue bath y that's. what they do they administer tongue. baths to the left and they do it very. very effectively but in a way that I. think is causing the American people to. get wise to them and and a lot of people. frankly to become annoyed even people.

who historically haven't considered. themselves Republicans are looking at. that saying something's not right here. because in the past they at least wore a. mask while doing it these guys have. taken off the mask yeah and they're not. uh impressive so let let's start with. what I think is going to be the headline. checking my iPhone it's already the. headline Tim Walls saying he's friends. with School shooters did yeah yeah. apparently he's become great friends. with School shooters I don't know what. that means but that was perhaps the. greatest uh president or vice.

presidential debate flop uh in living. memory I mean that's right up there with. some of my best friends own NASCAR teams. that just it's not a didn't come across. as the speaker intended well I mean you. know saying that you're some of your. best friends on NASCAR teams you know. does you know reveal you're in the top. 1% for income for sure right but. befriending School shooters raises a lot. of other questions there there are a lot. of good people who are friends with. NASCAR team owners but saying I'm good. friends with Mass shooters that doesn't.

really have the same. Vibe what throughout the and I don't. want to be mean but Tim Walls I mean I. and I don't think I am being mean I'm. just being sincere he came across as. badly as anyone could at a debate like. this he did badly yes badly in the sense. that he didn't answer question after. question after question now fortunately. for him CBS allowed him to get away with. it but in some ways they foed him upon. his own patard by doing it because the. viewers can see that and the viewers can. see when they themselves are being. mocked look I I don't know why this.

keeps coming to mind but as I watched. him over and over again I just thought. this is weird this guy's goofy he came. across is that is that guy in the Gary. Larson Far Side cartoon who while. talking to a kangaroo says you may be a. kangaroo but I know a few things about. marsupio as myself he he just everything. came across as wrong just a little bit. off I don't know whether he had back. surgery recently or what but it this. this was off well I mean it may be I. always have thought having worked at the.

television the camera over time does. reveal the truth about people maybe not. the whole truth um maybe not a precisely. accurate truth but some version of of. reality comes through on the camera I. think right that's exactly right but. look he he badly mischaracterized a. number of things perhaps most crucially. his own record on the Minnesota law that. he signed into law uh denying that uh It. reversed protections for babies born. alive after a botched abortion he just.

completely mischaracterized it so what. is the TR so JD pressed him on that a. couple times and he ref he just said. that's not what it says that's not what. it says explain it as you understand it. look under Minnesota law uh before Tim. wals changed it with legislation he. signed into law as Governor um it. provided protections. certain uh standards of medical care. that had to be given to a baby born. alive alive following a botched abortion.

and Tim WS signed another bill into law. saying that's no longer the law just. removing those protections altogether. and it replaced them with something what. he's What walls was relying on there was. language uh providing some level of care. I think they actually use the word care. almost. unmodified uh some people have. characterized that I think fairly by. saying that means that in that. circumstance they can provide the. equivalent of hospice care for an. unwanted baby that's really grim and.

that's not going to wear well especially. when people realize that he was. mischaracterizing his own record he's. either unaware of the content of a bill. he signed into law or he's lying about. it and neither one of those things of. course he's lying about it I mean you. wouldn't take out the phrase life saving. without knowing that you're taking out. the phrase life saving you that's not an. accident that's on purpose it was hugely. controversial at the time yes and so he. he expected to be able to go on in this. friendly environment of these um these. co-opted CBS moderators and say.

something that just wasn't true and. expect that nobody would catch them on. it nobody would call him on it well we. we've got a different world today sure. ABC CBS NBC CNN and MSNBC used to. control the entirety but today we've got. um the Tucker carlan show and we've got. X and we've got a few other channels. through which people can communicate. actual information he's not going to get. away it's interesting though I mean. Margaret Brenan and Nora odonnell of. course are you know are abortion. worshippers I mean they legal abortion. is the most important issue to them.

that's obvious I think it's true as a. fact knowing them um and so walls could. not have had a more. sympathetic you know moderator uh for. that section of the debate but he even. there he seemed uncomfortable I mean. that's like the winning issue for them. he thinks yes even there he seemed. uncomfortable and even there he was. saying things that I would think would. make the abortion rights Advocates. cringe he was making it sound there.

toward the end of his answer as if he's. pro-life as if he's not pro-abortion. that seems to be rather the opposite of. his message and that of his running mate. right U uh and so that's why a lot of. this is going to end with a thud like I. say it's consistent with the overall. Vibe of his his debate performance. tonight which is just a lot of weird. stuff weird stuff where where he didn't. answer the question and where the answer. he provided had something terribly wrong. with it I can't think of another reason. they would have picked him other than.

the K Harris people are thinking you. know they think in terms of race like. that's how they think about everything I. mean that's why she was chosen that's. why Jackson made it the Supreme Court we. know that because Biden said so out loud. repeatedly and I got to think that they. felt compelled to pick an older white. guy because he was an older white guy I. don't really see and he said that even. well and at the time he was chosen. remember it it came down to a a sort of. a horse race between governor wals and.

Governor Shapiro right and the well-worn. understanding the the well circulated. rumor around Washington. was they chose wals because he's not. Jewish right that Josh Shapiro was was. too Jewish now I was relieved when they. didn't choose Josh Shapiro too it would. have made it much harder for Republicans. to win Josh Shapiro was smart yeah very. very smart it would have made it a lot. easier for Democrats to win Pennsylvania. for the presidential race and for the. for the senate race there so I was. relieved when they didn't but it was.

also weird because it was pretty. apparent yeah we chose the other guy cuz. he's you know not Jewish right I mean. they they have a huge problem with a lot. of their voters on the question of. Israel they're um you know their view of. Israel is not that different from. Trump's view of Israel but a lot of. their voters have a completely different. view of Israel they're anti-israel so. and the current administration of which. this would be the successor in interest. right is itself um uh dancing a very.

very delicate uh uh dance with regard to. Israel on the one hand they want to be. seen as pro Israel on the other hand. they're constantly telling Israel cease. fire somebody attacks them oh ceasefire. you got to you got to stop defending. yourself that's very very strange um and. you're right they're doing this as a. reaction to a radical element within. their own base that is increasingly not. only anti-israel or Israel skeptical but. anti-semitic well I'm glad they didn't.

choose Shapiro um I he's much more. capable than walls and I think he's. probably a much worse person even than. walls that's my personal view uh but. he's certainly a skillful politician I. mean skillful politician and yeah look I. I don't know either one of them. personally so I can't speak to any of. those things but what I do know is that. the guy they had on the stage tonight uh. surely would have been outperformed. dramatically by Josh Shapiro this guy. was not ready for prime time and it.

showed I was really surprised that. nobody brought up this you know the. Salient fact of Tim wal's career which. is that he presided over the destruction. of a state and its biggest city. Minneapolis on Memorial Day 2020 and. that his wife enjoyed it she said she. enjoyed she opened the windows of their. home so she could smell the burning. rubber open the windows of her home so. that they could marinate in the smell of. burning rubber from overturned police. cars and the lawlessness that was going. on she apparently loved this now this is.

uh this is something you sometimes. associate with leftists Marxist like the. idea of uh of people who consider. themselves oppressed uh throwing off the. established order of things and bring. about chaos and violence but rarely do. they actually say it in those terms part. out no no this this is like Winnie. Mandela necklacing you know I love the. smell of burning rubber um as our. opponents are murdered in the street.

that never how could that not come up. he's the governor of of Minnesota and. this Destro not come up tonight yeah. easy Tucker I mean come on that's. Elementary that's obvious it didn't come. up because they were too busy holding JD. Vance to account for why Republicans are. to blame because obviously Republicans. caus climate change and climate change. caused hurricanes including the. hurricane that Americans have been. dealing with for the last few days. especially in States like Florida and. North Carolina and didn't want to have. to hold Democrats to account for their.

handling of those things so naturally. they blame it on climate change and. climate change on rep change but climate. is changing climate has always changed. we had the glaciers not that long ago. 10,000 years ago um climate is changing. there's no proof that carbon emissions. are changing climate why does no one. ever say that there is certainly no. proof that what they are proposing what. they always want to do which is tax. carbon yeah generally shut down carbon. based sources of of of energy phase them.

out over the next you know couple of. decades or so there's no proof at all. that if we do all of that that that will. change global temperatures by even a. fraction of a degree they have no idea. these are all based on projections and. those projections are extremely costly. we're talking about many many tens of. trillions of dollars that'll have to be. pumped uh into the econom out of the. economy out of otherwise productive uses.

into non-productive or less prod. productive uses so that they can sort of. remake the economy in their own but I. don't understand why Republicans more. broadly don't challenge the so-called. science since there isn't actual science. behind that I think you could say. climate is changing seems to be um it. has always changed it seems to be. accelerating in the way that it is. changing but the solutions and even the. cause of it are you know there's no con. quote scientific consensus on that why. why doesn't anyone say so. right and I saw a picture the other day.

U there was a picture of some baths. constructed during the the height of the. Roman Empire in in a coastal city. somewhere in Europe and it pointed out. that these baths are exactly at sea. level as they have been for 2,000 years. right and they have not changed even as. our carbon emissions have of course. changed significantly the sea level. there and elsewhere has not changed so. um this is a tall order that they're. asking us to carry they're asking us to.

impoverish ourselves to rely on less. efficient less stable sources of. electric power and means of of U. powering our vehicles and things like. that without any proof they're asking us. as it were uh to accept an almost. religious U belief they it's insane. where we're sitting right now was. covered by a mile of ice at a time when. this continent had hundreds of thousands. Maybe millions of people living on it I.

mean this was a heavily populated. continent during the last ice age and. there were no that we know of there was. no carbon emission I mean from people I. mean none of this makes any and then it. warmed sufficiently that all that ice. melted what all without carbon but you. know I apparently the coch brothers came. along and secretly injected lots of. carbon into the atmosphere wish someone. would and of course they don't take into. account changes in solar activity spots. things like that that that have an.

obvious uh uh likelihood to impact. global temperatures and so it when you. view all of this as narrowly as they. view it that becomes a little bit like. they're they're holding a hammer. everything starts to look like a nail. everything and if you're telling me that. bulldozing forests to build solar Farms. is good for the environment cutting off. the top of mountains to build windmills. is. green I you know I I guess there's.

nothing I won't believe if I accept that. right leaving behind mountains and. mountains worth of waste of course some. of which is not all that pleasant but. why not plant trees if you think that CL. if carbon is the problem then why you. bulldozing Forest which they are doing I. mean millions of acres to why wouldn't. you plant trees instead I don't really. understand like the ultimate virtue. signal nothing signals virtue quite like. bulldozing trees in order to replace. them with solar Farms not. not not in my world bulldozing trees.

there's nothing virtuous about that at. all one of our plans when we started TCN. was to run great long form content. documentaries on topics that other. people were ignoring well we have the. best so far it's called wine in the sand. and it's by James O'Keefe one of the. last Brave and honest journalists in. this country How brave James O'Keefe. embedded with the cartels as they moved. migrants engaging in human trafficking. at the largest scale in modern times. from from Latin America to the United.

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moment when Tim Walls described the. border the so-called border Bill the. immigration bill that died uh in the. Congress as the toughest ever what you. were there what was that. bill everything he said was wrong so. here again Tim wals is either um lying. meaning he's he he knows the truth and. he's not stating it or he's been. deceived by somebody else and didn't. bother to do his own homework can check. it up in the first place the there the.

reason we have a crisis along the. southern border has everything to do. with the fact that the current. Administration refuses to enforce laws. as they exist on the books already the. Biden Harris team has done a phenomenal. job at selling a lie the LIE is that we. we really wanted to fix the Border. crisis we just couldn't so we had to. have changes in law in order for us to. enforce the Border Republicans uh. refused to go along with that so sorry.

we can't do anything all of that is a. lie existing law allows them to stop the. problem they don't want to do it so they. came up with this bill and now this bill. was negotiated um uh by two or three. people in the Senate only one of whom is. a republican uh uh my friend and. colleague James lenford a great senator. from Oklahoma I really do like James. lenford a lot I disagree with him on. this bill but Mitch McConnell assigned. him to negotiate that bill with Democrat. RS and at the time he did that a lot of.

us told him look what the best thing you. could do with this bill is find a way to. negotiate something that says um we want. to tie Joe Biden's hands the Democrats. really wanted funding for Ukraine a lot. of Republicans like myself didn't want. to do that Republicans really wanted a. secure border so the idea was maybe we. can force them to secure the Border by. tying Joe Biden's hands so he can't just. continue to have the open borders. immigration policy couple months go by. Langford puts a lot of time into it but.

what he negotiates doesn't tie Biden's. hands and if anything it would make it a. lot worse now there are some good. Provisions in there but there are a lot. of Provisions that especially in the. hands of a Biden Harris Administration. would have made things a lot worse like. the fact that they they would have to uh. under section 244b of the bill uh. there's some indication they'd have to. let in about 1,400 people every single. day remember Jay Johnson uh who served.

in the Obama Administration in the. Department of Homeland Security had said. that we reach crisis levels at 400. migrants per day this would have. systematized it as as high as400 per day. so this is one of the many examples. within this bill 1400 a day yes of what. they would have to process and then. we've also got this um uh section 342. within the bill that would have provided. billions of dollars uh what was it $2.3.

billion to This Global initiative to. facilitate migration including to the. United States to facilitate migration. facilitate that a and also to provide. Legal Services I kid you not legal. services lawyers paid lawyers for. illegal immigrants to have them. represented in their immigration. proceedings How about if if you're not. invited you have to leave immediately. what a thought drop you in Tiana and the. Mexican Government which hates us um has.

to deal with it it's what literally. every other civilized country on planet. Earth and most of the non- Civilized. countries on planet Earth espe non. civilized especially the non- Civilized. countries but all of the countries that. we are aware of have some kinds of. restrictions like these why would the. United States abandon those and the. truth is our our law doesn't do that. it's just President Biden has been. manipulating our our system of law to. find ways to refuse to enforce it so. that was the biggest flaw in this border. security bill number one it presupposed.

that we needed a bill which we didn't. have to have one it would have been nice. to have one that forces his hands but. number two it didn't do what we as. Republicans were demanding now I I don't. I don't know why that didn't happen. whether Mitch McConnell didn't specify. that to James lford as the minimum. negotiating standard I wasn't in the. room when they had all those. conversations but I do think this is a. problem I think somehow the message uh. got through to Senator Langford from. Mitch McConnell don't worry about. forcing Joe Biden's hands because that's. what we got out of this bill something.

would not have done a darn thing why. would the the head Republican in the. Senate want a bill like that facilitated. illegal immigration that gave lawyers. paid for by taxpayers in a in an. increasingly poor country to illegal. aliens why would Mitch McConnell be for. that look I obviously I can't speak for. him I can't get into his head I don't. know what he was thinking knowing Mitch. mconnell I I I doubt he would have. thought yeah go Ando all those things. maybe he didn't realize the extent to. which it would have this effect I read.

Mitch McConnell's position in this. circumstance is being focused much more. on let's just do whatever we got to do. to fund Ukraine to send more money to. Ukraine he wanted to get that done and. so if he could find some kind of uh who. cares about our country got a Ukraine. yeah yeah yeah let let the other people. worry about that let Langford go Ahad. and negotiate something as long as he. can come up with something then we'll. get our funding for Ukraine we can dance. Kish carry on WE we'll all go home happy. I look I don't serve in the Senate I. just watch but that sounds exactly right.

to me just from watching um from the. outside what do you think that. is the focus on Ukraine it's like a. religion yes it is it is almost like a. religion some of my colleagues will. actually get a little Tey when speaking. of Ukraine as if they were talking about. their their their beloved uh aged. sibling who was going through something. awful now look I I I I I understand and. Ukraine's gone through some horrible.

things and and I'm deeply sympathetic to. the plight of the Ukrainian people. nonetheless I am what's motivating this. is something much more Sinister whether. people realize it or not those who have. gotten in meshed in this have become. part of the military industrial complex. and guaranteeing that no matter what we. can pump a whole lot of money into that. let me let me explain what I mean there. um you can sometimes tell what people. are thinking by what they say. when they're defending something a lot.

of my colleagues especially on the. Republican side when defending their. votes to send what is it now close to. $200 billion to Ukraine for a war that. is not ours uh we'll say things like. this a lot of this money you see is. actually going to go into the US job. market it's going to fund uh the the the. arms companies the people who are. building the arms being purchased by. Ukraine to create American jobs here. that is really unsettling I find that.

unsatisfactory and I find it morally. repugnant that we would justify. prolonging that the both the duration. and magnifying the severity of somebody. else's War half a world away with the. nuclear armed power no less for the. simple reason that uh oh don't worry. it'll make some people here in the. United States that is what I would call. immoral and there sick bastards who. think that way well I would too and also. I mean everyone laments the decline of.

American manufacturing but you don't. want to live in a country whose only. manufacturing center is weapons no yeah. that's right Tucker but but I would. gross no but I I would put it more. strongly than that I obviously we're not. at or anywhere near the point where our. only manufacturing sector is weapons I. don't want to go anywhere near the point. where we're funding somebody else's War. making it longer making it more severe. against the nuclear armed power no less. the one that hates us um uh just on the. basis that well it'll create some.

American jobs that's wrong that's not. who we are I wonder how people like. Mitch McConnell or your colleagues or or. anybody in the media the whole media is. this way get away with pretending to be. the Defenders of the Ukrainian people. when they have embedded the slaughter of. the Ukrainian people an entire. generation hundreds of thousands of. people and then you know zalinski their. guy has just changed the law in Ukraine. so foreign entities can buy Ukrainian.

Farmland so they're going to lose their. population and their land there will be. no recognizable Ukraine in 10 years. thanks to these people how do they get. to be the Defenders no that's exactly. right and they have good reason to. resent the American people particularly. those who have facilitated who the. ukrainians yes yes they do for that very. reason because we came on the scene in. the minute we started spending money to. the tune of now close to $200 billion in. just a couple of years we took peace off.

the table for them there really were. peaceful uh off-ramps for this thing in. the earlier months of the war. particularly during the first year of. the of of this particular war in 2022. those were taken off the table as we. started dumping all this money on them. and so yeah if I were U if I were from. Ukraine I would deeply resent the US. government for what we have done there. it has prolonged the war it's made it. more severe and it's taken peace off the. table and yet they get to parade around. like they're driven by compassion and.

love for ukrainians yes uh and and. meanwhile a number of government leaders. in Ukraine and those who are close. enough to centers of power that they can. profit off of it I'm willing to bet. Tucker that there are a lot of very. wealthy people in Ukraine well I've been. in that in that area I mean go to. Romania you know or any of the countries. that border Ukraine and they'll tell you. you know that all the luxury car. dealership have sold out I mean there. are a lot of rich people who fled.

Ukraine and by the way I'm not not even. judging them I'm just saying that's a. fact whereas people who couldn't afford. to run away and go by a Bentley in Dubai. have been killed in the war that we. created that's why there's this old. phrase um a lot of foreign aid is about. poor people in rich countries being. forced to give money to rich people in. poor countries that's certainly. happening here and that's something that. I app appreciate by the way about JD. Vance yes JD Vance you know it's.

somewhat uncommon for a new Senator to. come. in and display as much. confidence respect for colleagues. respect for the system and the process. and complete fearlessness as he had from. JD Vance but he did it all in a way that. was unassuming that was unoffensive that. was always respectful to to to members. but talking about Ukraine makes me. remember this aspect of JD Vance he came.

into the Senate um at beginning of. 2023 brand new Senator and he already. was one of the few people who was. willing to be bold in asking questions. that needed to be asked about Ukraine. he's shown that consistently through the. entire thing and uh as recently as just. a few months ago he and I and a small. handful of others uh stayed up all night. on the senate floor pushing back on the. Ukraine supplemental we had a lot of. people including members of our own.

party and the other party who swore at. us and were unhappy uh with us for that. but JD Vance then as you saw tonight uh. was respectful back to them didn't allow. it to affect his mode and just kept. right on going that's the kind of Vice. President we're going to have how is he. viewed in the Senate he's viewed as. somebody who is freakishly smart who. brings receipts and so if you argue with. him you've got to be prepared he's. always going to be nice and respectful. about how he does it but you will in.

part because he's so nice and respectful. about it you'll look like a fool if you. show up and you haven't done your. homework that's why I was a little. shocked when Lindsey Graham went out of. his way to savagely attack JD Vance to. Trump back in July you know the day. before Trump was making this decision. people were very cruel about Vance you. know off the record of course no one in. public but I know for a fact that they. did it what was that about it can't was.

it personal a you know I I don't know I. don't know um to my knowledge he has. never said that publicly I haven't heard. him speak that way of JD in in private. but let's let's assume that he or others. uh were in fact saying those things. about it um there are those who feel so. passionately about the Ukraine issue. that some of them might take such great. offense to someone like JD coming along. and asking questions saying should we. really be doing this and JD comes at. this uh from the vantage point of.

somebody who speaks with a fair amount. of experience you know listed in the. Marines he went to school on the GI Bill. and he's got a really good head on his. shoulders and so a lot of people. probably resent him from that and if if. some of my colleagues on the Republican. side of the aisle were saying things. like that I suspect Ukraine had a lot to. do with it but it's not but it sounds. like he gets along with people in. general I mean there are ideological. differences that are Stark but it. from what you're saying he doesn't have.

a lot of personal enemies right well he. he has people who mistreat him but what. I love about JD is that even after. someone publicly uh mistreats him and. and I've seen some of our colleagues and. including some of our Republican. colleagues do that the next day JD Vance. will be sitting next to them at lunch. smiling laughing not necessarily. pretending that the whole thing didn't. happen so much as showing that they're. not going to get under his skin he's not. going to let them influence his own. behavior man I wish I had that quality.

we all I don't so there was a moment I I. I think we' have the tape um where he. did not allow the contemptible behavior. of the moderators to infuriate him he. just kept going I thought this was one. of the coolest moments I've ever seen in. a debate here here it is I don't talk. about my faith a lot but Matthew 25:40. talks about to the least amongst us you. do unto me I think that's true of most. Americans they simply want order to it.

this bill does it it's funded it's. supported by the people who do it and it. lets us keep our dignity about how we. treat other people thank you governor. and just to clarify for our viewers. Springfield Ohio does have a large. number of Haitian migrants who have. legal status temporary protected. status thank Senator we have so much to. get to I think it's important because. out of the economy maret the rules were. you to fact and since you're fact cheing.

me I think it's important to say what's. actually going on so there's an. application called the CBP onea where. you can go on as an illegal migrant. apply for Asylum or apply for parole and. be granted legal status at the wave of a. comma Harris open border wand that is. not a person coming in applying for a. green card and waiting for 10 years that. isation of illegal immigration Margaret. by our thanator for describing the. have so much.

to those have in the book since 1990. thank you. gentlemen app has not been on the books. since 1990 it's something that created. gentlemen the audience can't hear you. because your mics are cut we have so. much we want to get to thank you for. explaining the legal process it's it's. really kind of hard to describe how. awful Margaret Brennan and nor O'Donnell. are I think America just saw it but that. was. masterful I thought there is so much to.

unpack there and you're absolutely right. it was masterful by JD uh first of all. kudos to CBS for allowing uh Governor. wal to quote Matthew 2540 without. interrupting him and saying I'm sorry. that's an attempt at bringing in foreign. uh disinformation campaigns we we can't. accept that may those words burn on your. tongue that's what I thought I mean I do. think there ought to be a general rule. if you're going to quote the New.

Testament uh maybe you should. acknowledge uh that some of your. policies aren't exactly compatible with. that but setting that aside for it yes I. love JD JD's invocation of this problem. with this cbp1 app I I've got a bill to. fix this problem and and I've been. calling this out for a long time JD. encapsulated that much better and more. concisely than I've ever been able to. but they have developed this application. that people can use on a smartphone. which they all these migrants seem to.

have they can go on and just fill in. their own biographical information that. then serves as their deao passport when. they get here they can do whatever they. they want they're admitted into the. country using that app and it's one of. many examples of how this Administration. has actively nurtured fostered cultured. this environment in which migrants come. up by the millions we're talking at. least 10 million people who have entered. this country illegally. since January of. 2021 in the meantime what we've done is.

we've enriched International drug. cartels to the tune of tens of billions. of dollars a year we've also brought in. an a sentinel uh potentially to kill uh. uh many tens of millions of Americans. and it's been trafficked in on the on. the backs of women and children many of. whom are being sex trafficked so this is. what uh we have to than that Biden. Harris had Administration for and this. is really how it's happening.

but for pointing out we' had this app on. the smartphone app since 1990 okay the. fact that they've had an app before. smartphones right that's kind of curious. what how did people use a smartphone app. in that era before this happened 34. years ago we've had this app for 34. years okay you know there there have. been computers of course that long but. the these were not computers that were. in the hands of millions of people.

entering the country unlawfully and it's. been during this Administration that. they have used this particular well. there was no meaningful internet for for. most people in 1990 no I was here I. remember yeah exactly um yeah and the. other of course effect is that it's. completely you know upended American. society so we have this um there's a a. pretty amazing clip from 2022 two years. ago from Tim Walls. bragging about how many refugees.

Minnesota has and I just want to play it. this it's really short and I think it. just says a lot about the attitude. that's inspired what we're seeing now. here's Tim Walls we have more refugees. per capita than any other state that's. not just morally a good thing it's our. economic and cultural future this. beautiful diversity we see out in. Worthington when I'm there you see 50. languages spoken in the. school so everything about that is a lie. actually this States become poorer um.

under walls uh and much more chaotic and. more violent but what the the what. struck me was we you see 50 languages. spoken in schools that's beautiful. diversity it's the opposite of beautiful. and it's not diversity it's chaos it. means people can't understand each other. there's nothing that unites people it. means a fractured society and if you. think chaos is beautiful then I mean I'm. sorry you know you're on Satan's team at. that point chaos is not good not being. able to understand other people is not.

good how's that good but remember Tucker. this is a man who lives at a home where. they think it's beautiful to open the. windows so they can smell the burning. rubber that's right and so they do think. this is beautiful now I've never been to. Worthington Minnesota but when I hear. him say there are 50 languages spoken in. the public schools I think chaos right I. think Tower of Babel now the Tower of. Babel that's right uh resulted the way. it did not as a blessing to those. involved in it but as a curse as a.

punishment because when everybody speaks. different languages they can't. understand each other it's chaos and. people suffer as a result and how do the. kids get educated I guess he doesn't. care thought he was an educator they. don't and through this process of social. promotion and the teachers unions. facilitating the social promotion they. paper over it and they make it look like. everything's okay when we know it's not. this is before we even get to the more. dire human cause of the people who have. been raped who have been murdered. suffered through home invasion robber.

robberies been assaulted and battered as. a result of people coming into this. country who didn't belong here to begin. with given that there's zero support. that I can detect in polls for these. immigration policies which are permanent. change the country forever how is. democracy functioning if something this. Central to a nation's identity who lives. in the country is taking place without. any input at at all from the citizens. who already live here taking place not.

only without their meaningful input but. also setting things up so that. non-citizens can and will vote in. elections it's why I've spent months the. last few months trying to push the save. act trying to attach it to the spending. Bill the save act would make it so that. you can't vote in a federal election. without showing some type of of proof. that you are a US citizen and therefore. eligible to vote who would be against. all Democrats all Democrats are against. it now it passed the house actually with.

bipartisan votes all the Republicans. plus uh a handful of Democrats voted for. it over there all the Republicans in the. Senate supported it but Senate Democrats. blocked it now they blocked it by saying. first and foremost well non-citizens. don't vote they can't vote and anybody. who says otherwise it's you know. misinformation campaign uh that which is. what they say about anything they don't. like well then what's wrong with Banning. it well that was my question to them. always if it doesn't happen then we're. Banning something that doesn't happen.

but it's already illegal yeah it's. already illegal but there are all sorts. of things that are already illegal that. are too easy to carry out and that's why. you need to have uh some penalties. attached to it which is what the save. act does it would require the states to. ask for uh some type of proof of. immigration status and require the. states to call through their voter. registration files to remove. non-citizens periodically and then it. imposes a criminal penalty for anyone. who knowingly gives a ballot or a voter. registration to a. non-citizen so here again um what we've.

got our our laws that have been easy to. circumvent this would have fixed it and. they said it's not necessary because. they don't vote because they can't vote. only every day Tucker it becomes more. and more apparent that people are. getting on to the voter registration. files uh being non-citizens because of. the Supreme Court's interpretation of. the national voter registration act. where they said the states cannot ask. for proof of citizenship. and where in all 50 states now you can. apply for and get a driver's license as.

a non-citizen and when you do that if. you fill out the nvra part of the form. you check a box and sign your name then. you are a registered voter even though. you're a non-citizen and so this is. troubling meanwhile you've got the. American people who are being ignored. wait in all 50 states issued licenses to. illegal to non-citizens uh all 50 states. do in roughly half of the states um. little more than half of the states I. believe they will also issue them even.

to illegal aliens but in all states as a. non-citizen you can apply for a driver's. license now the purpose of the 1993 uh. National voter registration act Motor. Voter Motor Voter uh was to make it easy. to fill out a driver's license. application at simultaneously register a. vote the problem is it makes it way too. easier we've now got 30 million plus. non-citizens in this country and it's so. easy to apply for a driver's license. today you add to that the Supreme.

Court's bad ruling a bad interpretation. of the nvra saying the states can't ask. for voter ID and you've got a problem. you add all of that to this major. overhaul of immigration policy. undertaken without the consent of the. American people uh contrary to their. will where the administration is. basically just effectively rewriting. immigration law by refusing to enforce. vast swaths of it and that's the mess. we're in. today I mean it you know how could a.

republican ever get elected if you've. got a brand new electorate brought in by. the Democratic party given all kinds of. free things that American citizens don't. get made dependent on that party for its. life like how how could I mean how could. you not become a one party State well. that's the whole idea of Tucker remember. uh the country immediately to ourself. Mexico was ruled by one party the pre. the pre for um most of the 20th century. almost the entirety of it it was.

ironically called the U the uh. revolutionary institutional party my. favorite name of any party both. revolutionary and institutional but they. managed to do it I think the Democrats. whether they realize the P angle or Not. by name I think that's what they're. trying to do here think about what they. do that so theyve brought in 10 million. plus. non-citizens they've been ship them. strategically to different parts of the. country many of those will end up being.

able to vote since the save act U much. to my dismay wasn't attached to this. spending Bill if that happens they may. well seize control of things they. wouldn't have otherwise controlled I I. hope it won't happen but it could once. they're in if Democrats uh clean you. know have a clean sweep meaning they get. the White House they keep the Senate. they take back the House of. Representatives. um KLA Harris has made known her agenda. to Nuke the filibuster in the Senate and.

with Kirsten Cinema and Joe mansion out. of the picture it'll be easier for them. to do that if they've got the majority. once that happens they will pack the. Supreme Court they will pass voter. registration uh and and voter reform. bills that will take a lot of the. discretion to draw legislative districts. away from State legislatures they'll add. DC in Puerto Rico as States and make a. couple of other changes including to our. campaign Finance laws that together. we'll make a an indefinite Perpetual.

Democratic majority in the United States. Congress our new reality they'll be the. the pre-party but for the United States. you you really think they would add. Puerto Rico in the district yes and by. so doing they'll they'll get um four. additional Democratic senator seats for. the foreseeable future all four of those. would be predictably reliably Democrats. and I think that's part of what they've. got in mind but what they want is to not. have a meaningful opposition party you.

can already tell that they want this by. the way I thought they were defending. democracy that would end democracy no. look their conception of democracy uh is. not actually about citizen input it's. about something else it's about. achieving the size scope reach and power. of government in general and the federal. government in particular it's about. enhancing their ability to carry out. their their Progressive their radical.

Progressive Marxist objectives and. that's what they want to do they see the. rest of us as illegitimate and as. obstacles to that task and therefore. people who are deserving of being. cancelled of having our votes diluted. and not counted do you think that'll. happen I sure hope not I pray daily that. it won't but it is our duty as citizens. of this great Republic to sound the. voice of alarm when we see a risk of. that happening and I certainly see that.

risk here um look uh these really are. perilous times and we can't we can't. afford any longer to sugarcoat what it. is that they're doing and what they're. doing is really really dangerous we've. just got to be strong enough to stop. them so you've seen all kinds of um. indicators pop up in media Outlets that. exist really for the people who run the. Democratic party the Atlantic and The. New Yorker specifically and others have.

run pieces recently saying the. Constitution is an impediment to. progress yes um you heard John ky say it. the other day the first amendment is the. problem um that's not accidental is it. no no it's not accidental nor is it. insincere these guys mean it they. genuinely mean it uh because look uh. first and foremost if you view the. ultimate objective. as being democracy which I don't I don't.

think they do but let's just go with me. on this if they view the ultimate. objective as just democracy pure. democracy as pure as we can get it then. the Constitution is itself an impediment. to that the constitution is designed to. be counter Democratic in its operation. it it's designed to be an. intermediating uh filter of sorts. between pure democracy and the rights of. the people that's in fact that's the. only reason you have a constitution is. to limit the power of government so that. it doesn't become abusive of the rights.

of the minority that's that's the. Constitution and its purpose in a. nutshell um so if the Democrats love. this idea of pure unrestrained democracy. so much I don't believe that's really. accurately explaining what they want but. if that were what they want uh then it. would make sense for them to try to. trample on it but of course what they. want is something much more Sinister. than that they want consolidation of the. of of the power of government whereas. the Constitution requires uh.

distribution of power it requires it to. be uh diffused so that no one person or. group of people gets too powerful and so. as a result of all of that um you see. them being doubly contemptuous of a. constitution the protection the. Constitution protects the rights of the. minority including Heretics like you and. me who dare to challenge the the uh uh. assumptions of the governing woke Elite. and it's the Constitution is also a. threat to their ability to carry out.

their Marxist inspired far-left radical. Progressive but if you're attacking I. mean the word treason has been thrown. around quite a bit over the last eight. years but if you're attacking the. Constitution I mean isn't is that. treason yes I believe it is look I we've. all sworn an oath those of us who hold. public office in the United States are. required under article six of the. Constitution to take an oath to it and I. I think if you violate that oath I do. think that is treasonous so those who. are taking this position I think are.

taking an indefensible position one that. I think could fairly be described as. treasonous how widespread do you think. in Washington is the view that the. constitution is the problem well I'm. seeing um it some alarming Trends in. this regard uh Democrats are are much. more forceful about it much more upfront. sometimes you can you can feel from some. Republic Republicans feeling frustrated. about particular Provisions but. Republicans will at least always pay lip.

service to it and I think with some. degrees of sincerity what I'm seeing now. for the first time I you know I've been. in the Senate now for 13 and a half. years when I first got to the Senate. nobody uh in elected office would be. would dare to be caught dead saying. something that could be interpreted as. contemptuous toward the. Constitution and yet now you R routinely. hear members of Congress um. Democrats referring to features of the.

Constitution as incredibly problematic. like for example the Electoral College. they hate the Electoral College they. absolutely despise it and they will. refer derisively to the um to the Senate. as a a non-representative as a sort of. disenfranchising form of inequality. because the whole point of the Senate uh. uh is that the Senate has to involve. equal. representation among the states even if.

you amend it to say that each state will. have a different number than two. senators Article Five of the. Constitution which governs the amendment. process says that there's one type of. amendment that is presumptively. preemptively unconstitutional you can't. change the principle of equal. representation they hate that why well. because a lot of their voters are. focused in a smaller handful of States. have heavily populated Urban centers and. they think it's profoundly unfair that a.

smaller State like Utah or Maine will. get two votes well a heavily populated. state like California or New York will. have only two votes in the Senate is. there anything they can do about that in. my opinion no I mean they they could. they could amend the Constitution but. like I say Article 5 makes that the one. type of Constitutional Amendment that is. uncons itual I had this conversation. with Justice Scalia once who posited to.

me that maybe they could change it but. it would require two successive. amendments to the Constitution first. you'd have to amend out the part that. says that you can't change this and then. you'd have to actually change it uh. regardless amending the Constitution to. change to undo the Electoral College or. to change equal representation in the. Senate is something that is nowhere near. having the kind of support you would. need right now to change it but I do. worry now that you've got one major. political party that is openly.

contemptuous of at least those two. provisions of the Constitution and. becoming more contemptuous every day of. the First Amendment including not only. the freedom of speech protections but. also the freedom of religion protections. I I I worry that a chill Wind Blows in. America when you've got a major. political party that is still being. taken seriously when it hates the. Constitution especially Provisions as. fundamental as those we so I mean. packing the Supreme Court Court would. solve the problem you don't have to. amend the Constitution you just change.

its meaning right the oldfashioned way. and what FDR figured out was that um FDR. could threaten to pack the court and so. threaten the court that some justices. would change their votes I I read about. this in a book I wrote a couple years. ago called saving nine he threatened to. pack the court it didn't work but one of. the reasons it didn't work is that it. worked in a different way it threatened. the court into adopting lockstock can. Barrel FDR's loose interpretation of the. Commerce Clause and we've never been the. same since that's what they want to do.

they want to either force the issue to. the point where they can change the law. now in the case of Court packing doesn't. actually require a constitutional. amendment it's simple legislation but. it's the type of legislation that while. not unconstitutional technically could. undo the whole constitutional structure. and that scares me to death and you. think it's possible yes not only. possible Tucker but if if they get the. majority in the house and keep the. majority in the Senate and they get the. White House they will do it and they.

will do it within the first 100 days. they're in office that should scare. every American if there's anyone within. the sound of my voice who is thinking. about voting for wait Harris W increase. the number of seats on the court without. question absolutely I believe what. grounds well Tucker democracy of course. I mean they they'll come up with. something they'll say democracy because. they think that answers everything they. they'll say climate change or they'll. say racism racism or a lot of them will. say things like well we've got more.

circuit courts of appeals now so we've. got to increase it to reflect that. that's nonsense look there's not a lack. of Human Resources among the nine. justices on the court that's not an. issue uh they just want to increase the. number of justices for one simple reason. because they don't like the fact that. there is a court now controlled by a. majority that's content with reading the. constitution based on what it says. rather than on the basis of what. Progressive Democrats wish it said in.

the first 100 days you'll think they'll. do I mean that's the most radical thing. I can imagine yes but they are radicals. and they're Unapologetic about it if. they have the opportunity meaning if. they run the Clean Sweep where they. control all three levers within the two. political branches they will do. it well they're not too far from that. really yes well it wouldn't be all that. hard for him to do it and that's one of. the reason re why I've been so worried. about this election and making sure that. it's actual US citizens who are voting.

is because this election really is. consequential just given how different. the two competing visions of these two. political parties happens to be we saw. that on display tonight in this debate. uh in great detail I mean I I I would. ask you the same question do you think. that we saw contrasting vision from the. two parties because in my view tonight. we saw greater contrast between between. these two candidates than we've seen in. a long time ever ever ever certainly in.

our lifetimes and just the level of. thinking I mean really as you know it's. a cliche but it's true it really was. three against one and the one outshone. the three with. ease just on something as small as the. not well not small but as specifically. as the housing crisis the increase in. the cost of housing in the United States. and JD Vance makes this very obvious. point that you know more people means. higher. costs because there's this thing called.

supply and demand if more people want. something its price Rises right you a. limited Supply growing demand I mean. it's just like the most it's first grade. math and Tim Tim Walls goes well you. know can you find a study that shows. that J and then JD says well actually I. think the FED just did a study the other. day that shows that in great detail but. you don't need to point to a study the. Federal Reserve Bank we'll send that to. you yeah then the moderators like yeah. do you have a study I don't know I mean. you've got a set you know it takes a.

year to build a house you got 25 million. new people like of course look what's. it's true in every country in the world. it's true in Canada right now it's true. in Australia it's true everywhere so. like anyone who demands a study to prove. something that obvious is like an idiot. absolutely and especially when they ask. for it and it's already been provided by. the Federal Reserve Bank which Democrats. generally Love by the way I I love that. entire exchange I I loved how JD handled. it it was a a great example of what.

we've been describing of JD being the. master of the the mood of the debate the. master of reason and of dispassionate. but persuasive reasoning I I thought it. was fantastic I also love the fact that. he began his answer there by plugging a. proposal that I've introduced called the. the houses Act and the houses act would. require under certain circumstances for. the federal government to sell Surplus. federal land uh for the purpose of. building single family affordable. housing now Tim wals immediately single.

single single family hous they don't. want single family housing they don't. want single family housing they want all. of us to live in a big uh. highrise and they've been pushing this. for 10 years on this horrible program. called the affirmatively furthering fair. housing program where they they're. trying to make the US Department of. Housing and Urban Development this sort. of Master planner Master zoning. commission for the entire country and. giving benefit to local government. entities that Embrace their zoning their. highdensity zoning plans and punishing.

those who won't well what I mean you. could actually solve these problems in a. day if you just drew up a list of and I. can give you the zip codes if you want. but let's just say Martha's Vineyard. Aspen Bethesda Maryland Newton. Massachusetts you know high density I. think those are good places for high. density housing I want to see and all. the MS13 baby mamas get free apartments. in those new places so like don't they. deserve as much suck super easy to do we.

can't do any high density housing unless. Martha's vineard to Aspen Bethesda and. Newton get it first right like that. would end it immediately mlan should. 100% uh yeah exactly look so those guys. hate it because they hate single family. housing they don't like that Tim Walls. also interjected by why do you think. they hate single family housing well I. don't know exactly. but I think it has something to do with. the fact that they don't really like. families that much and human autonomy.

their family policy is something rather. U uh the opposite of a pro- family. policy you might say Tim Walls then. interjects by saying well but in some. places there's not all that much federal. land okay fair enough but in a lot of. states there is a lot of federal land in. fact some of the greatest housing crisis. that you might find in the United States. can be found in the Western United. States where the federal government owns. most of the land federal government owns.

almost 70% of the land in my state and. if you took just a tiny fraction of that. we're talking like half of 1% of the. federal land in my state and used it for. the houses acts housing plan you could. in a fairly short period of time roughly. double the the the supply of single. family affordable homes uh just by. adopting that legislation so they really. don't like it and they'll have you. believe that all federal land oh and. then he also threw in this quip about oh.

are you going to be building houses in. the same place on the national parks. where you're drilling for oil exactly. putting condos in Yellowstone he's never. been to the Western United States these. guys think that everything is Delicate. Arch I can tell you there is a whole. bunch of land that is neither beautiful. nor um the the home to some natural. wonder it's just owned by the US. government so we can't tax it can't have. access what are they doing with 75% of. your land um they use it to bully us.

they use it to compel us to an undue. obedience to the federal Sovereign but. what are they doing with it I mean is it. one big biolab or what is it most of it. sits phow most of it sits without being. used for anything now there's not a. property owner on planet Earth who can. afford to own that much land especially. in a developed country like ours and let. it sit phow uh but they get away with it. because they don't have to pay taxes on. it and that furtherly further.

impoverishes states in the west like. mine where the federal government owns. most of the land because they don't pay. property taxes and this is not these are. not national parks no no we we don't. fight the stuff on the parks we we like. our parks of course the parks are also a. tiny tiny fragment a tiny segment of a. vast Empire you know the federal. government owns close to 30% of the. total land mass of the United States uh. people east of Colorado are hardly aware.

of that because the federal government. in most cases owns percentage of land. that can be reckoned at the low single. digits in those States but in the west. this is a big big deal and it's costly. but the the f are they good stewards of. it they're terrible it it actually they. do it all in the name of Environmental. Conservation they claimed that if they. didn't all own all this land it would be. an environmental post-apocalyptic. hellscape of sorts they're terrible at. managing it well the federal government. has poisoned the air and water more than.

anybody yes look at the look at Camp. leun any any military base is filled. with pcbs and no that's right but you. you but you don't even have to go to the. pcbs which you'll see something like. that on a military install installation. before seeing that the federal. government's a poor Steward just look at. what they do to unpopulated unused. federal land they mismanage it to the. point that they allow fuel buildup. meaning. uh trees oh I know brush to become. overgrown they refuse to allow any kind.

of Timber harvesting or uh for the for. you to cut uh sort of a firewall swath. in the middle of it they refuse to allow. the locals to treat for bark Beetle. infestation for example then forest. fires happen the forest fire destroys. the air quality it destroys the. Watershed and it destroys the interest. of adjacent land owners it's also a. massive carbon emission h hug massive. more than your suburban exactly so look.

if these guys cared about the. environment they would not want the. federal government owning 30% of the. land of the United States sure as heck. wouldn't want them owning 70% of Utah so. maybe it's about power not conservation. it is 100% about power they love the. idea of something as fundamental as land. being managed by distant. bureaucrats Not Elected by the people. utterly unaccountable to the people. 2,000 miles away from the people who. then become more and more dependent on.

the federal government for that reason. this stuff has been talked about it's. been warned of since the time of the. Constitutional Convention in fact on. September 3rd 1787 it was raised at the. Constitutional Convention an exchange. between Elbridge Gary and gor Morris. they they talked about this risk of this. power what if we give the federal. government all this power over these. Federal lands they could use it to. manipulate the states into an undue. obedience to the general government. we've been ignoring those risks for a. long time that's one of the reasons why. we need reforms like the houses act so.

you heard walls make reference to. something I'm I'm embar say was not. aware of Comm Harris's plan to build 3. million housing. units yeah I think this is either just. before or after the unicorns arrive and. the unicorns you know being possessed as. they are with these magical qualities. they can print money without causing. inflation they can I I look forward to. the Unicorn plan I I don't know anything. about it but I am dead certain this is a. payoff to their developer donors right.

it always is it's high density housing. in your neighborhood because they hate. you and your neighborhood and their. friends are getting rich from it I just. know that that's true and rest assured. Tucker but because KL is going to be. handing out $25,000 checks for anyone. who gains access to any of that housing. that the cost of housing will end up. going up by exactly 25 a. annual debt service at this point right. so trillion dollars a year just to pay.

the interest on our debt yeah so how. where do we get the money for all this. stuff they have not answered that. question when does the merry go round. stop spinning well look in order to have. more money because we're the world's. Reserve currency it's been fairly easy. for them to effectively print money now. there's is a little more complicated. than that they have to go through a. treasury auction process people buy the. bonds then we print more money but the. problem is as we get more and more in.

debt and as we have to pay you know just. a few years ago we were paying 300 350. billion a year in interest it's it's. it's mushroomed in the last couple of. years as we've been spending so much. more money sooner or later you get to. the point where you can't issue enough. bonds to keep up with that not without. paying much much higher uh yield rates. on your bonds and that's where the money. really is going to run out and that's. where we could in very short order see. the US Dollar's status as the world's.

Reserve currency dropping into the. Atlantic Ocean never to be seen again in. our lifetimes that's truly scary well. then. we as a. people endure one of the single greatest. upheavals that our country has ever. known and one of the greatest economic. upheavals that any group of people could. go through because when you've been used. to the blessings the benefits associated. with having the world's Reserve currency.

be your country's currency uh all kinds. of things happen and it becomes harder. and harder uh for people to gain access. to money they need to start a business. or start a family or do whatever do you. think this is why gold is at 2600 bucks. an ounce absolutely and I suspect we're. nowhere near uh uh seeing the end of. that Trend because people will be. sending their money not just into gold. but into any other asset uh because the. US dollar is um is losing its value like.

crazy much as they're trying to hide it. they can't hide from the fact that. housing and groceries and gasoline is. all they've all gone up by somewhere. between 20 and 31 32% as even according. to their own numbers which are probably. understating the. problem is there any way to avert This. Disaster sure uh we could avert it by. electing government officials who are. willing to say you know we don't draw.

from from an unlimited well of money it. it just isn't there so we've got to stop. pretending like we can that was one of. the great frustrations I had with Tim. walls throughout this entire debate he. kept on approaching everything. everything as if it were a problem for a. government to solve every government. problem as if it were something that the. federal government in particular could. solve they know no limits on that and. the problem with assuming that it's like. the principle that you know you heard. the expression if everyone's family no. one is if everything's urgent and a.

matter for the federal government then. there is no urgency there is no. importance it's just one big mess and. we're not able to do anything. effectively that's where we are. today well um let me just ask you to sum. up what you think this night means for. the race we're about a month. out I believe tonight was a a big night. for the Trump Vance campaign I think JD. Vance came in in a very big way for.

Donald Trump and I think JD Vance. brought about one of the best debate. performances I've ever seen from any. Republican in any race ever the the deck. was stacked against him and yet he. dominated every second of that debate so. if there are any J Vance naysayers out. there I point to tonight as the moment. that you need to well this seems like. total vind I mean obviously I'm. personally invested in this cuz I love.

JD personally but it does seem like a. total Vindication 100% 100% and not only. that Tucker it's not just a Vindication. for those within the Republican Party. who were. doubters but I think there are a lot of. people who are going to be pulled onto. the Trump Vance ticket who are going to. vote for president Trump because they. saw the debate tonight I think it was. that powerful I think he has the the to. move people look remember his background. and what he's been through he's lived. through circumstances made worse by.

federal policies made by people in. Washington DC Who convinced themselves. and their constituents that they were. making the world a better place by. making a small handful of people in. Washington DC more powerful he's. experienced the pain that that can cause. and he's a living example of somebody. who who has overcome those things but. has overcome them without forgetting. from once he came without forgetting. what it is that helped him overcome some.

difficult circumstances in his life it's. those people who he has in mind it's. those people who animated him in the. first instance to run for the United. States Senate and then to fight like. crazy once he got there for what he. sincerely and correctly believes would. benefit them and that's a government. that's more accountable to its people. and more accountable based on core. principles embedded in our constitution. so I said that be my last question but I. do have one one last question which is.

of deep interest to me as a lifelong. resident of. Washington you're one of the very few. members of the Senate who seems less. sympathetic to Washington more skeptical. after more than a Dozen Years there why. is that look um in Washington DC you see. a lot of things that have gone wrong the. closer you get to that the less. attractive it is you see everything. warts and all uh I I became a uh as a.

young man as a teenager I was a. republican uh I went on a served a. two-year Mission from my my church along. the US Mexico border and it was during. that time period even though politics. aren't relevant to missionary service I. saw and experienced things there that. turned me from a republican into a. conservative and it's a lot of the same. things that JD Vance has experienced and. that have caused him uh to come out a.

deep skeptic of the federal government. because I saw Federal policies that were. locking families into poverty for. Generations Federal policies that were. causing people uh to make rational. decisions that were harmful to their. families in order to continue in that. cycle of poverty uh perpetuated by that. the longer I've served in the Senate the. more that I've seen um Washington DC is. perpetuating the very problems that the. constitution was designed to protect us.

against they all involve the dangerous. accumulation of power in the hands of. the few we've seen that power uh taken. away from the people in Two Steps From. the people at the state and local level. moved to Washington within Washington uh. uh from the people's elected lawmakers. to unelected unaccountable bureaucrats. who now make most of our laws 100,000. Pages a year and we can't vote those. people out JD Vance sees in them sees in. that corrupt that corrupt system what I. see in it and what has caused me to be.

more skeptical of Washington DC by the. day which is that the American people. are great they are strong and they are. different than their government and. their government is different from the. government that our Constitution. establish well you haven't really. answered the question I mean you mean. it why do you mean it when so few others. mean it after 13 years in the okay so if. the question is why do so few others see. it the way I I see it I think they're. well they might say something similar to.

what you just said I mean. you're you're you're like a legit. constitutional scholar okay so you make. reference to the Constitution from a. position of deep knowledge and so you're. more fluent in the details than I would. say most in the S I mean you are more. fluent but there are others who are. fluent in everything that you are flu I. mean there are other constitutional. experts in the Senate but they don't. seem to mean it quite as much as you. mean it that's my real question they. mean it more on warm days than on cold. ones but that's what I'm saying they. more warm days um yeah it's an.

interesting question I I can't speak for. anyone else because I can't get into. their head but I will say this Tucker I. I I understand how a lot of people get. drawn into the impetuous Vortex of big. government and of Consolidated power. because we've all been raised every. American um uh any American who's alive. today has been raised and tired. in an environment in which uh the uh. primary and secondary education.

establishment the higher education. establishment um increasingly most of. corporate. America the. news uh uh media establishment and the. entertainment media. establishment have all bought into the. progressive vision and the progressive. vision is itself fundamentally at odds. with the Constitution the progressive. vision is all about concentration of. power giving it to so-called experts. even at the expense of of democratic.

input from the people but the more they. catch the vision of what's gone wrong. and the fact that what's gone wrong is. inexorably tied to our deviation from. that founding document a document that I. tend to believe was written by wise men. raised up by God to that very purpose. even the US Constitution I think more. people are seeing that every day and. whether they know it is a constitutional. Doctrine or not they know something is. dangerously wrong in Washington because.

by their fruits you shall know them and. the fruits of Washington DC are such. that the American people are poorer they. are less free than they have ever been. because they're living under the. oppressive yoke of a government that. makes laws with impunity in a way that. would make King George II blush that's. true this time we don't have to have a a. a revolutionary war to change that. because our law already protects us with. the things that we need we just need to.

know what those things are what the. protections are and that the whole point. of the Constitution is to make the. federal government less powerful and. therefore less easily abused but they're. waking up to that every single day. Donald Trump doesn't necessarily speak. in the same terms that I do he doesn't. necessarily put it in terms of. federalism separation of powers and and. and and and this doesn't necessarily. structural dispersion of power but he. gets it he gets it because he cares. deeply about the American people and. sees that they too are suffering under.

that oppressive yoke of government. that's why we've got a real singular. opportunity with this election and I. hope and pray and have every expectation. that the American people will do what. they have to do to restore the. Constitution and that's by voting for. Trump and. Vance Senator Mike Ley of Utah by the. way not words I thought you would have. said eight years ago it's just it's it's. been amazing to watch you with great. admiration so thank you very much thank. you very much I appreciate that by the. way we have a documentary series that.

starts right now tonight they're going. to be six episodes total the first one. is now available it's on TCN um it's. called Art Of The Surge we've had. someone embedded with the Trump campaign. a bunch of people ined with the Trump. campaign and they've got a ton of. amazing footage that you will see. nowhere else true so that's on TCN. thanks for joining us tonight we'll be. back tomorrow. oh.