Tucker Carlson on the Israel First Meltdown and the Future of the America First Movement

Pretty much every morning you wake up and  open your phone and think to yourself, I wonder if this roing fight on the right is still  ongoing. The fight over who's a Nazi and who's. Nazi adjacent and who should be platformed and who  should be deplatformed? That fight, the one that. has mesmerized ex users across the world. What  is that fight actually about and how long will. it continue? Well, the first thing to know about  it is that it didn't start three weeks ago with. Nick Fuentes's appearance on a podcast. No, this  has been a fight taking place mostly behind the.

scenes since January. And that tells you a lot  about what it's actually about. So, here's how. it began. Donald Trump inaugurated January 22nd of  this year. Almost immediately after he is visited. at the White House by the first head of state to  come to Washington, the prime minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu. And the visit is not simply a  congratulatory visit. They're not actually allies. in any sense. Remember that Benjamin Netanyahu was  one of the very first to congratulate Joe Biden.

after the 2020 election. So there's probably not a  lot of warmth there. Just guessing. No, there was. a purpose to the visit and the subsequent visits  by the prime minister of Israel to Washington. And that was to get American support for regime  change war in Iran to overthrow and replace the. government of Iran, which the nation of Israel  sees as its primary regional threat. Iran has. all kinds of very dangerous conventional weapons.  The United States spends a lot protecting Israel. from those missiles. And Israel is also concerned  that at some point Iran will either make or buy a.

nuclear weapon, leaving Israel no longer the only  nuclear armed nation in the region. So that's what. it's actually about. And to be honest, you can  see from Israel's point of view, if you're trying. to identify long-term serious threats to you,  Iran would be at or near the top of the list, especially since Israel has taken out almost  all the other threats. But really, it's just. Iran. The question is, is it in America's interest  to participate in that war? And make no mistake,

Israel wouldn't last 3 days in a war by itself  against Iran. In fact, probably not even 24 hours. Israel's population centers would be taken out by  Iran's conventional weapons. And at that point, the Israeli government could either nuke Iran,  starting a chain reaction that, you know, you can't really predict once it begins, uh, or  allow hundreds of thousands of its own citizens, certainly tens of thousands, to be  killed. So, Israel could not do it alone, and no honest person suggests or would suggest  that it could. It needs the United States. So.

the question from the American perspective is,  is it good for America to get involved in yet. another Israel inspired regime change war in  the Middle East? There have been quite a few, most notably Iraq. Is that a good idea? And so  that debate began and it mostly began behind the. scenes. It didn't sort of peek out into public  view very often. But when it did, the people who. wanted the regime change war against Iran almost  with almost zero exceptions almost never admitted.

what they actually wanted and they certainly never  acknowledge what the debate was actually about. It was about one nation's interest versus another  nation's interest. Do those interests convene? Are. they the same thing or are they at odds with each  other? I can see why it be a good idea for Israel. to want this. Is it a good idea for us? That's  the debate that never took place. And it didn't. take place because almost from the beginning, the  people who wanted regime change war with Iran made. the debate instead about why do you hate the Jews?  You're a Nazi. And of course, that was never what.

the debate was about because Israel, the nation of  Israel, the one with the parliament, the Knesset, and the military, the IDF, and lots of people  and tech firms. And he's not, by the way, exclusively Jewish. And it isn't actually the  same as all Jews in the world at all. And in fact, there are a lot of Jews around the world who  have mixed feelings about Israel or certainly. don't want a regime change war in Iran. But the  people who do want that in the United States,

Israel's proxies in the United States, its  defenders, its professional defenders in the US, immediately made the debate about the Jews. It  wasn't the anti-semmites who did that. Actually, it was the defenders of Israel in the United  States, not all of whom are Jewish, to be clear. They're the ones who made the debate from the  first day. Why do you hate the Jews? And so, for. those who were hesitant to get into another regime  change war, it's intimidating because you're happy.

to have a debate any time of day about what's in  the interest of the United States, when should. we project military force, what can we learn from  the last 25 years, etc., etc., and you'd probably. win that debate because there's no evidence  that any regime change war we've engaged in in. the past couple of generations has helped us. Zero  evidence and everyone kind of knows that including. the president of the United States. But if you  make it a debate about why do you hate the Jews, then most people are going to opt out because  they don't want to deal with it. Most of them. don't hate the Jews. You hope no evidence that  they do, but nobody wants to be tred as a bigot.

And so very few people pushed back. Very few. In  fact, as far as I know, only two people, me and. Charlie Kirk, actually went and spoke directly  to the president to make the case that no, you shouldn't get involved in this war because its  aim is not actually to deny Iran a nuclear weapon. That may be a virtuous goal, but that's not really  what this is about. What this is about is luring. the United States into yet another regime change  war. And if you do that, it's bad for everybody,

including you. That's the case that we made.  Charlie went to the White House to make that case, and God bless him for doing that. And he was hated  for hated for doing that. Hated for doing that. But he did it. Very few other people did. In fact,  as far as I know, none. So, of course, in June, the debate ended and the United States did commit  military force to Iran. It bombed Iran and spent. billions to protect Israel once again from the  inevitable, the predictable conventional response. from Iran, etc., etc. And in the end, thank God,  we did not get lured into a regime change war.

But the bitterness lingered and the total  unwillingness of the people pushing for. that war to state their aims to be honest about  what they wanted and to defend what they wanted. remained. They understood from the very first day  that they could not win that debate. They didn't. want that debate. They wanted another debate where  they felt they could win or at least cow their. opponents into total silence. And that debate was  about quote the Jews anti-semitism. And again,

this is a country that hasn't had a lot of  anti-semitism. Decent people are not anti-semitic. Christians understand that anti-semitic behavior  or thoughts, attitudes are uncchristian because. Christians are universalist in their thinking.  Every person has the capacity to come to God. through Jesus. Every person, no matter how they  were born. And so, of course, no sincere Christian. could be an anti-semite. And no sincere Christian  would ever defend anti-semitism. In fact, he would.

call it out as he would racism or any form of  discrimination on the basis of blood. He would. call it out immediately. So this was never about  anti-semitism despite the fact there of course are. anti-semites and all kinds of other people in this  country. There are 350 million of them. But this. debate was not about the Jews or anti-semitism.  It was about when to use military force and to. what extent should you follow the lead of a much  smaller nation as you think about your own nation. And for a lot of people, this was enormously  frustrating since Donald Trump was elected for. the second time last November on a platform  that explicitly promised, and this is why he.

was elected, to help the United States, which is  in tough shape and getting worse. And everybody. knows that. And all of a sudden, this foreign  prime minister shows up and starts hijacking. the attention and the money of our country to  his ends. And that could be any prime minister, by the way. It happens to have been Benjamin  Netanyahu. But conceptually that's outrageous and. people were justly upset about it. Absolutely they  were upset about it. So where will this go? Well,

of course the people who think the US government  should act always and everywhere on behalf of its. own citizens, the America first people, those  people are going to win the debate. In fact, there's never actually been a real debate. But  when people's mind fog clears and they can think. about what just happened, they'll understand that  this was never about the Jews or anti-semitism, much less Hitler who's been dead for 80 years  as of April. No, it was about should the United.

States act in its own interest or should it  subvert its own interests on behalf of a foreign. power with a very effective lobby in Washington.  That's exactly what the debate is and the answer. is of course no. So the America first people  are the people who just think the government. should serve its own citizens, which let me  remind you is the only legitimate rationale for. representative government. In other words, if the  government is not representing its own citizens, if it doesn't care about its own citizens, it's  not only off track, it's illegitimate. It has no.

basis to govern because it's a representative  democracy. So you are morally bound, you're. legally bound to represent your own people.  That's the only purpose of having a government. in our country is to represent our people. And if  you're not doing that, you're not legitimate. So, they will win. And in a year or two, we're going  to look back on what we've been watching for the. last month or last eight months and we're  going to realize this is exactly like BLM or.

me too. You know, at the core there may have  been a point, but basically it's buffoonery. it it is an effort to divert your attention from  the real crisis. And we're going to wonder, wait a. second, since since when did the institutional  right conservatives, people who run the think. tanks and the dumb magazines nobody reads and  the people with bloated on Fox News. Since when. did those people become completely committed  to identity politics and censorship? Because.

they are committed to identity politics. That's  what this is. It's identity politics. Of course, it's group over nation. Of course, it's another  country above our country, a tiny country, an irrelevant country over our country. And  people are going to look at that and say, "Wait. a second. We thought, in fact, we voted for you  because we thought that the two things we could. be assured you believed were you were against  identity politics. You lectured us about woke.

for like 10 years. You're against woke because  you're against identity politics. You're against. tribalism. And here you are not only embracing  it, but using it as a cudel to hit people in. the face. And maybe even more shocking, we knew  for a fact you were against censorship. I mean, isn't that the whole point of the Trump election?  We're against censorship. You can't censor people. in a free society. You can't have censorship in  a democracy. How will you have the information. required to vote? Censorship is totally  incompatible with democratic government. Period.

And it's also, by the way, illegal under the First  Amendment to the Bill of Rights. And Republicans. just won an election on that platform. And all of  a sudden, we learn there's really nobody in the. world more excited about censorship than a Neocon  podcaster or a National Review staffer. They just. love it. People aren't going to forget that.  And in a year or two or five years or whatever, we're going to look back as we do on COVID  and the BLM riots and the Me Too movement and.

we're going to ask ourselves, how do we fall for  another moral panic? Another social mediadriven. moral panic. How did everyone go insane all at  once denouncing each other and denouncing old. friends and clowning themselves because they're  caught up in this moment and they can't see that. they're betraying the very principles they claimed  like six months ago they would give their lives. for. And those people are going to feel shame  and many of us will feel contempt for them more. than we already do. So that's going to happen.  They can't win this debate. It's not actually a.

debate. It's them name calling. So that's going  to happen. Rest assured. But in the meantime, the rest of us have to listen to an awful lot  of a man who a year ago was unknown to most. Americans. Kind of a third tier podcaster, TV  host or radio host or whatever. for a guy who. was a weekend show on a cable channel, a guy  called Mark Leavin. And for the last month, we've been watching Mark Levin say things that no  one in my lifetime has ever said from the right.

like this. Watch. I don't know whether it's  Jew hatred from the Marxists, the Islamists, the neo-Nazis, the grifters. I don't know  where they're pulling us and pushing us. What do they want to do with American Jews? What do they want to do? Where  are they taking this country?

They're destroying it. Carlson, Owens, Kelly, Bannon. It is a time for  choosing. You pick the good guys or the bad guys. You pit America or you pit the third  right. They're not MAGA. They're not. conservative. In fact, they're more  Marxist, Islamist, Americahating, Jewhating thugs than anything else.  And let me educate them briefly.

The Babylonians couldn't kill the Jews. The Persians couldn't kill the Jews. The Romans couldn't kill the Jews. Hitler couldn't kill the Jews. And by this I mean  eliminate them. You think your puny little asses.

are going to be able to do it? Kill the Jews. Your  first thought is, "Wait a second. How do we get. to that?" No, just don't want a regime change war  against By the way, a war in which Jews would die. presumably both in the US military and the IDF.  Like, no, don't want to kill anybody. Actually, that's kind of the point. You want to kill the  Jews? So, the first thing you notice is like. the total inversion of what the argument actually  is. It's an argument about to what extent should.

US military power be used on behalf of another  country, not the United States. That's it. That's. the debate. and all of a sudden it becomes the  Babylonians, the Nazis, trying to kill the Jews. So again, it's an inversion. He's accusing his  opponents of really what he wants as always. Well, this Christmas, give the gift of sleep with eight  sleep. Everybody needs good rest for most of their.

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Islamist. You hate Jews. cuz you're an anti-semit.  You hate America. Okay. None of I mean that's ad. homonym. There's no even attempt to address  the argument that anyone Mark Levin doesn't. agree with is his making. Instead, it's just just  attacking them as people. And the third thing you. notice is what animates this, which is hate. Mark  Levin is filled with hate, obviously. And hate is. one of those words that is thrown around a lot  as a weapon. You're filled with hate. That's.

hate. It's hate speech. Therefore, you can't say  it. etc. But that doesn't mean just because the. word itself is used cynically that the term  doesn't describe anything or that hate isn't. real. Hate is absolutely real. Hate is absolutely  real. And if you listen to enough Mark Leavin, you yourself can become hateful. Reacting against  it can turn you into what he claims you are. And. that's just a fact of human nature. You stick  your face right up against this, after a while,

you will become hateful. All of us, even people  are committed to not being away. It happened to. me last week. Last week, a week ago tonight. I'm  sitting on stage with Megan Kelly at an event she. was doing in New York. And I think Dick Cheney  had died that day. And I knew Dick Dick Cheney. obviously. And he had died. And I disagree with  Dick Cheney, but I'm not going to criticize a. man on the day he dies. Just not going to do that  because I have reverence for death. But I had a. lot of emotion on the topic. And so I said a few  nice words about Dick Cheney. He was a great fly.

caster or whatever. And then I started thinking  about his daughter, Liz Cheney, whom I also know. and have disliked for intensely for quite some  time because she slandered me and because I. think she is a violence espouser and I I disagree  with that and I have contempt for it but rather. than say that I just attacked in a vicious way Liz  Cheney and I said something awful about Liz Cheney. actually didn't explain why I was mad at Liz  Cheney I just slandered Liz Cheney basically and.

I said that her father would be ashamed of her and  if I had a daughter like that I'd probably kill. which is an awful thing to say. It's kind of  hard to believe I said that. But in my mind, I was thinking of all the people I dislike, Liz  Cheney would probably be at the top of the list. And so therefore, because I dislike her personally  because I know her personally. And because I so. disagree with everything about her political  views, I'm the opposite of Liz Cheney. If you. were to graph it out, be I'd be on one side, Liz,  the other. Because we disagree so profoundly. I.

told myself, clearly I must have told myself that  you could say anything you want about Liz Cheney. She's not really human. You can say anything you  want, including something really awful and nasty. like, "If I was her dad, I would kill myself."  Who thinks like that? Who talks like that? Well, I did. And so, I just want to say I'm sorry to  Liz Cheney. And I mean that, too. I mean that. I shouldn't have said that. I'm sorry I said  that. I'll I will not stop disagreeing with Liz. Cheney until she changes her views. I hope that  she does. But there is never an excuse to talk. about people like that. And that kind of is the  trap here. Mark Leavvin is almost 70 years old,

you know? I mean, no one's going to eat the  dog food here, okay? That that is not a message. anyone's going to buy. So, the fear is not that  Mark Levvin will take over American politics. That's not going to happen. The fear is that  we become Mark Levin by staring at Mark Levin. too much. We become him. Another way of putting  it is the fight is not against Mark Levvin and. the many Mark Leven out there, the screamers,  the slanderers, the impuntors of character,

the liars. The real fight is within ourselves.  The real fight is against our own nature, our own natural inclination to in the face of Mark  Levin become Mark Leven. And the cost is to us. You You hurt yourself. Don't become evil because  what's the point? What is the point? And the only. way to present prevent yourself from becoming that  person is by admitting that you've acted like that.

person and apologizing for it sincerely, not in a  fake way. Oh, I'm sorry if you didn't like it. No, I'm sorry because that's wrong and it's exactly  what I don't like about someone else and I. don't like it about myself when I do it and I'm  going to try not to do it again. And of course, I will do it probably by the end of the show.  I'll do it again because I'm prone to that. because I get mad. But we need to say every  single time we do that, no, I'm sorry I did. that and I'll try my best not to do it again. So  really, just to keep in mind as things heat up,

don't become the people you despise, or  else what's the point? We wind up I mean, the Second World War is that story. We're fighting  for freedom, but we're arming Joseph Stalin to. do it. Really? We sent more money and airplanes  and tanks and jeeps and boots and food to Joseph. Stalin, the greatest mass murderer in history, in  order to bring what? Freedom to the world. It's. not a defense of Hitler, of course. But that's  shameful. The Roosevelt administration did that.

with a full support of his party. It's like,  don't become the thing that you hate. That's it. And if you don't do that, if you allow yourself to  get carried away so mad that you start mimicking. the hate that's coming at you, what happens? Well,  of of course it flowers into violence. Like that's. inevitable of we're very close to that now. In  fact, we're there in some ways. It's happened.

We just we're still talking about a political  assassination, a friend's political assassination. on September 10th. Charlie Kirk was murdered  because of this. So it can happen and it will. happen unless all of us prevent ourselves from  becoming that. And by the way, you can't control. other people. All you can do is control your own  behavior. So if you act like that, apologize for. it. I'm going to really try and do that. But we  are absolutely moving toward violence. And it. should be really clear. That's the other thing is  you don't want to espouse violence because where.

does it go? It always begets more violence 100%  of the time. September 11th led to millions of. deaths in the Middle East. Yeah. October 7th led  to Gaza. Like this all once the violence begins, you can't predict its course, but you can be  fairly certain it will accelerate. And when. that happens, all calculations change and people  change and the feud becomes irresolvable and more.

people die. And that could happen in our country.  So the only way to stop it is by controlling your. own behavior so you yourself don't become evil.  So Mark Leavvin is already there and we know that. because Mark Leavvin has repeatedly and he's  not the only one but he's the most blunt has. repeatedly called for just murdering civilians  children in Gaza because they're Amalcch or.

whatever they're stained by blood guilt. Prime  Minister of Israel said exactly the same thing. They are guilty by virtue of how they were born.  So that by definition includes women and children. So Mark Leavvin is not clever enough to keep the  implications of these views to himself. And he. said them repeatedly on television just to give  you a sense about how Mark Levvin feels about. human life and the human soul. Watch this. And I'm  supposed to what? Shed crocodile tears for what's.

going to happen to these people? I'm not. Maybe  I'm the only one who will voice it, but I'm not. Israel has every right to throw every damn thing  it has at barbarians and if there are innocent. people quote unquote civilians who are killed,  then maybe they ought to organize to take out. the government they elected. Tapper and the others  are saying there's 2 million Palestinians in Gaza.

They're not all terrorists. They don't all believe  in Hamas. They really have no choice. Let me ask. you a question. Is that how we treated the German  people when we were fighting the Third Reich? Well, they're not all Nazis. I mean, you got to  fight to win and survive. You can't sit there and. figure all that stuff out. Well, but don't hurt  the civilians. Look, we have to defend ourselves.

The Israelis have to defend ourselves. The  free world has to defend itself. And if there's. collateral damage, well, that's too bad. 25 years  ago in this country, people didn't talk that way. They didn't. It was a different It was a different  landscape, different expectations. The idea of. blood guilt, because that's what he's describing  there. You should be killed by virtue of who. your parents are, who your grandparents were, by  virtue of how you were born. You should be killed.

You don't have a right to live. You're guilty  because you were born. And which of course leads. to collective punishment and genocide. That's the  basis of genocide right there. That attitude that. was considered totally uncchristian and unamerican  because it is. And if s someone said something. like that on television, I mean, he'd be probably  pulled off the air for that. you should kill kids. because you don't like their parents. That is  their attitude. That's the Israeli government's.

attitude. Well doumented attitude. We're paying  for that. And you could say, well, you know, you. don't have to hate Israel. But that behavior is  not better than Hamas at all. In fact, it's kind. of the same, right? Killed civilians. They came  in and killed people at a music festival. BB turns. out let them in. Um, we found out today in the  Knesset, but whatever you think of what happened. on October 7th, you know, Israeli civilians were  killed. That's terrible. We're against that. We. have to be against that. And we're no better than  the people we're fighting. Of course, what is the.

difference between us and them? We're in different  groups. That's not a meaningful difference. The. difference is we're committed to a set of Western  principles. And those principles begin with we. reject blood guilt. And because we do, we reject  collective punishment and genocide. A lot of us. thought that was a consensus after World War II.  That was the lesson of the Nazi regime. Should. have been the lesson of the Soviet regime, which  of course practiced collective punishment and.

committed genocide against Christians. Most people  don't even know that it did more efficiently than. the Nazis did. But all of it is terrible. All  of it is awful. And a lot of us thought that. was the main lesson that we were supposed to take  away from the war. And by the way, that's a great. lesson. That's an excellent lesson. We should  take that lesson from the Second World War. And then you wake up and there's Mark Leven.  Not just Mark Levin, but our policy makers, our members of Congress, most of them are not  Jewish, by the way. This like infected everybody. That's okay. It's not okay. It'll never be okay.  It's a shame. It's shameful behavior. It's a.

stain on this country. You You can't fight people  unless you think you're morally superior to them. You shouldn't be. And how can you say you're  morally superior if you're operating from the. same assumption, which is that everyone on the  other side should be killed because of how they. were born? But that is absolutely Mark Levin's  assumption. And he said it out loud. Look at. this Twitter exchange. Watch this. She's basically  saying, "I don't understand like why we're getting.

involved in all this stuff." And Mark Levvin is  saying, "Well, you're a Nazi." And someone writes. in and says, "Mark, I'm not even, you know, I may  be on your side or not, but what you're saying is. actually creating anti-semitism." And he's saying,  and I'm quoting, "At anti-semitism is quote, in your family's DNA." Who thinks that? Who would  say something like that? Streaming November 16th. on Paramount Plus, it is the return of Landman, a  producer of Yellowstone. The show's television's.

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a chosen people and we don't believe in a damned  people. Period. We don't believe that in the West. We don't believe that some people's are inherently  better or worse than other people's. We believe. in individuals in the capacity of every person  to make individual choices and change for the. better or the worse. And on that basis they are  judged but not on how they were born. And if we. don't believe that, if we think that some people  are just like inherently bad because their DNA as.

Mark has said and a lot of other people like Mark  have said, then what's the point of all, you know, what's the point of all of this? At that point,  it's just like, well, my group has more guns than. your group and we're in charge. That attitude gets  people killed and it rots your soul. That's why we. say anti-semitism is bad in the first place, isn't  it? You can't judge a whole group of people by how. they were born, by their genetics, by their DNA.  But there's Mark Levin doing it. So, it shouldn't.

surprise you that of course if you have those  attitudes and you think there are Americans, and he clearly does, whose DNA makes them less  than human, unsalvageable, inherently evil. Well, it shouldn't surprise you that he'd be calling for  violence against them. And he is. And this isn't. like your kind of classic like, "Oh, everyone's  out to kill me. I'm so important. I despise that.".

But it's a fact. And we know that from what he  says. So, here's Mark Levin about two weeks, in fact, I think exactly two weeks  after Charlie Kirk was assassinated, and he was trying to explain how this happened.  How did Charlie get killed? Here's what he said. The call to violence. That's what it is. You're  calling people Hitler. It's a mass murder. You're treating ICE like  it's the Gestapo or the SS. Then you're free to shoot them. There you  go. You call people Hitler, they get killed,

right? You you torque up the rhetoric to we've all  decided Hitler is the worst. Okay, great. Hitler's. bad for sure. So once you call people that, you  liken them to the person we collectively agree. is the worst person ever, person we collectively  agree if you had a chance to kill baby Hitler, you would. Then why wouldn't you kill the people  who were Hitler in your own society? You probably. would and you'd feel justified in doing it.  And that was the point he was making. Yeah, fair point. You know, you hope it's not used  to censor people. You're allowed to have ugly.

thoughts, by the way. They're constitutionally  protected, but you should be discouraged from. it for sure. And as Mark Leven just said, they  lead to violence. calling people Hitler leads to. violence. Wow. Well, since that's his description  in his terms, consider this clip about a month. later. I would ask some of these people who say,  "Look, I I'm going to stand by Tucker." You know, he's just inquisitive. He likes to have these  people on and ask them questions. Really?

But I'm not going to platform them. No. So Tucker  is a racist. Is that okay? First of all, how many. of you have friends who are racists? Isn't that  a fair question, Mr. Producer? How many of you. have friends who are racists and are proud of it  and talk about it on a national platform? This. is what I get now. Will you debate him? Will you  debate Tucker Carlson? I don't debate the clan.

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the country, you should be talking about all  people in the country. It's not just about you or. your people, whoever they are. It should be about  everybody. That's the universalist spirit without. which this country can't continue, just to be  clear. It'll break apart, of course, into waring. groups. But the basis of racism and anti-semitism  and all forms of bias that we abhore, forms of. bias that treat people as members of groups rather  than individuals, all emanate from the same idea,

which is you're born a certain way and you can't  be fixed. You have blood guilt. And that's why. it's bad to call people Nazis. And here is Mark  Levin calling people Nazis. Well, in this case, me. So what is that? Well, that's of course  a call to violence. And it's not just me. We. compiled a list of all of some of the people on  Twitter Mark Levin has referred to this is these. are all recent Nazi Nazi Nazi bastard. F off Nazi  Nazi Nazi Nazi. Finally, somebody somebody writes.

in on Twitter and says, and we're quoting, "This  is Mark Leven's 12th post today that's related. to Israel or its critics. I know he's Jewish  and sympathy for Israel is understandable, but this now borders on obsession." To which  Mark Levin responds, "Nazi, Nazi, you should. pause before you call people names like that."  And I I should just say because righteousness. is a goal. Self-righteousness is a sin. I don't  want to be self-righteous. I've certainly called.

people things they didn't deserve. I've leveled  ad hominemum attacks on people. I did against. Liz Cheney. I apologize for it. I meant it. But we  shouldn't let ourselves go in this area. We should. force ourselves to treat other people like human  beings with sincere disagreements or insincere. disagreements, but still agreements that we can  debate because once you start calling people. Nazis, we really have no choice but to start  shooting them to be Dietrich Bonhaofer and sort. of reach the end of reason or even Christianity.  Bonhaofer decided Christianity is not even He's a.

Lutheran pastor. Christianity is not enough. We  have to kill the guy. Not judging Bonhaofer who. was a great man in some ways but that's inevitable  once we decide that people are Nazis. So you kind. of have to wonder why they're doing this. And of  course it's because when you call someone a Nazi. and maybe in Mark Leven's case he believes it.  You immediately freeze them in the headlights of.

your slur. Nazi Nazi. You deter people from  arguing with you because no one wants to be. called a Nazi, but you also for the bystanders  who aren't even directly part of the debate, you draw their attention away from what the  debate is actually about. In other words, for every moment that we're arguing about who is  and who is not a Nazi, answer really nobody. The. Nazis have been gone for 80 years. Sorry. But for  every moment where they're having that debate,

we're not debating the things we ought to be  debating. In this case, should we use military. force on behalf of a small country, a totally  irrelevant country? That's a fair debate. We're. not having that debate. We're screaming about  who is not is a Nazi, who's not a Nazi. So, I guess the thing that we can learn from Mark  Leavvin in this case is if you have a position, argue that position. Levin doesn't want to argue  his position. It's very hard to defend, so he.

won't defend it. He'll just attack. But the rest  of us who have a sincere position about America's. relationship with Israel and the damage it has  done to the Trump coalition, which it's like we're. watching it be destroyed un very unfortunately.  Those people should argue what they believe and. not get caught in this trap of identity politics.  Who's a Nazi was a right to speak? Buzz off. No. Apac is a foreign lobby. It should register as  one. Our country should come first in the thinking.

of every person who represents our country. Those  are the debates that we ought to be having. So the. next lesson we should learn from this country is  that you can't allow other people to define your. priorities. You are an adult. You are an American.  You have the right to decide what matters to you. If you're having trouble paying your health  insurance or if you think divorce laws are unfair.

in this country or if you think chemtrails are a  problem, if you don't like fluoride in the water, if you think there should be a cap on credit card  interest, whatever the issue that matters to you, first and foremost, you have a right to feel that  way. No one should be allowed to talk you into. adopting their enemies as your own. There are a  ton of people in Washington who think the single.

most dangerous person in the world, most evil  person who's ever lived is Vladimir Putin. Some of. them really think that. A lot of them are getting  rich by saying it. But a lot of them do believe. it because I know them. I know they feel that way.  It's sincere. But as a percentage of the country, what percentage of the country actually puts  killing Putin at the top of its priority list? Like less than 1%. It's just not a problem for  most Americans who runs Russia. But it's a huge. problem in Washington. So Washington for a couple  of years there succeeded in convincing the rest.

of us to either adopt their priority. Putin is  the most important thing. We have to stop Putin. or shut up about it because if you don't, you're  an agent of Putin. Basically bullied the country. into accepting their list of priorities. And the  election of Trump was really a reputation of that. It was tens of millions of voters saying, "No,  actually, we our problems need a hearing. Someone. needs to care about our problems. It's not just  about you and your little parochial squabble.". They're telling us now that Iran is the biggest  problem we've ever had. And if you question that,

like, how many Americans have been killed on  American soil by Iran as compared to the number, I don't know, killed by Mexico, which brings all  our fentanyl in, not Venezuela, Mexico. you get. attacked as an agent of the mullers. And the way  to think about this is who cares? Your priorities. are every bit as important as Mark Leavven's  because you are a co-equal with Mark Leavvin.

because you're also an American citizen. He gets  one vote, you get one vote. That's our system. So Mark Leavin could scream at you all he wants  and tell you you must really care about affecting. regime change in Iran. It is absolutely okay. In  fact, it's your duty to say to Mark Levin, I don't. really care. I can't afford my health insurance.  Our leaders should solve that problem. And you'll. be joined in that by like 150 million other  Americans who agree with you who can't find Iran. on a map. They're not pro Iran. They're not Shiite  Muslims, but they have real problems and they want.

a hearing for those problems. They want someone  to else to care about those problems. That's okay. And it's interesting because people like Levin and  Ben Shapiro who at one point had this like media. empire propped up by Facebook. Uh the Daily  Wire with some good people on it, you know, it's fine. It's fine. But Ben Shapiro spent,  I don't know, a decade posing as someone who. actually cared about your concerns as an American.  He did it imperfectly. There were flashes that he. didn't really care. And he's like, "No, no, I'm  a conservative. I'm a conservative. I'm not just.

interested in the fortunes of one tiny country in  the Middle East with a population 9 million. No, I have a lot of interest. I really care about  this country and I'm against the trans movement or. whatever. But increasingly, as everyone's gotten  more hysterical and prone to sort of blurting out. the truth, that veil has dropped and you can see  what Ben Shapiro really cares about. So this is an. a very revealing exchange that took place 6 days  ago last Thursday on stage with Megan Kelly. Ben.

Shapiro was just sitting there being interviewed  by Megan Kelly and said something he said. something like well Tucker Carlson's you know for  Maduro Maduro the communist leader of Venezuela. who I guess were on the way to killing or  something forcing out regime changing him and he. defended Maduro didn't actually uh and Megan Kelly  says well Tucker said in his show that Maduro most. people didn't know this. Whatever his many faults,  I wouldn't hire him as an economist, okay? But.

whatever his many faults has the most socially  conservative country probably in the hemisphere. So Venezuela, it's just a fact. I mean, I didn't  make this up. I'm not in charge of Venezuela. Just. noticing that Venezuela has banned pornography,  banned abortion, banned gay marriage, banned sex. changes, and banned usery. You don't have credit  cards with 40% interest in Venezuela. Okay,

Ben Shapiro responded this way. Tucker's  made the point, I'm not going to here to. be Tucker's defender, but he's made  the point that Maduro is culturally. conservative. Who gives a [ __ ] The guy's a  communist dictator. Everyone in his country. is eating dog. He's shipping fentinel  to the United States to kill Americans. Why don't we give a [ __ ] whether  he's whether he's anti-LGBTQ rights? Who gives a [ __ ] I do. I do. I'm not moving to  Venezuela. Not pro Maduro. But I care about that.

Why wouldn't I care about that? I've got kids.  I first of all, I'm against abortion. I sorry, unpopular. I feel that way. I think it's really  sad. I would personally become poorer to end. abortion. Voluntarily become poor to end abortion  in the United States. That's not a choice. Don't. want to become poor, but I would because I  care about it. Maybe you don't. Maybe you're. offended that I do, but I care about it. Lots of  people care about it. I don't think pornography.

is good. That really hurts people. You know, I  I don't think pretending that the sexes are the. same is good. And you claimed that you didn't  think it was good, but it turns out, quote, "I don't give a [ __ ] Maduro's against Israel."  Oh, okay. I don't give a [ __ ] Well, you spent. like a decade pretending you did give a [ __ ]  that you were on the side of like normal Americans. who have a mix of concerns. They definitely care  about economics and they care about social issues. too because they have children and they see where  this is going. It's not good that your economic.

condition is not the only measure of health.  Your spiritual condition matters too. It's just. a fact. It does. If you're totally degraded,  doesn't matter how much money you have. It's. not worth it. It's not worth getting the whole  world and losing your soul. Sorry. And most. people feel that way. But not not Ben Shapiro. He  doesn't give a [ __ ] So why the hostility? Well, maybe because if you keep talking about the  so-called social issues, which are not limited. to abortion and pornography and gay marriage, the  trans issue, they get pretty quickly to economics,

to usery, to lending money and interest. And most  people, including me, are not against lending. money in interest conceptually, but it depends  on what interest rate it's being loaned at. So, there are payday loans in this country that are  600% annually, 600% interest annually. And who's. taking payday loans in this? Poor people are.  And they're never getting out of it. They're.

car loans. They're credit card loans. There's  private credit. Used to call it loan sharking. at exorbitant rates. Rates so high that people  will never get out from under them. They're. enslaved by it. It's called debt slavery. It's  100% real. That's not an ideological point. It's. just an obvious observation. And it was one of  the observations that Charlie Kirk was making. on a daily basis before he was assassinated,  which is interesting. And it's that kids are. buying food on credit. Buy now pay later. That's  credit. You're paying interest on that. Whether.

they call it that or not, late fees. People are  loaning you money at a much higher interest rate. than say rich people are borrowing money. And  that's bad because it's really hard to get out. of it. And if you're wondering why the average  American home buyer, American board home buyer is. almost 40 years old when the year I graduated from  college it was 28. How did that happen? People are. in too much debt. This is the probably if it had  to isolate it in a world with a lot of issues,

a lot of pressing issues, debt for young people  is probably the number one issue, which is to say. it's the number one thing that is destroying them  and making it impossible for them to get married. and have children, which Ben Shapiro told us he  cared about. And that's the conversation that. they absolutely don't want to have. So if you  say, "Well, Maduro, whatever his many faults, probably stole the election. Looks that way to  me. I don't know, but it looks that way. People.

say he's bad. I'm okay. I believe you. He's bad.  But he doesn't have that. And that's a good thing. And Ben's like, I don't give a [ __ ] Shut up.  He's a communist. It makes you wonder how we're. defining communist here. Because of course in the  United States, communist no longer means someone. who believes Marx and Engles. It has nothing to do  with academic theory. That's all gone. Communist. in the United States is a synonym for someone who  seeks to rot a society from within and destroy it.

And I guess I would argue that if you don't give  a [ __ ] about pornography or 63 million abortions. in the United States and since Roie Wade or  whatever, and if you don't care about 600% annual. interest rates on payday loans being given to the  poor, who's the communist exactly who's trying to. rot this country from the inside? Who doesn't  care about the destruction of human beings in. our country? It's not me. You're a communist.  So, I thought a lot about this. I didn't want,

you know, you never want to extrapolate too much  from a single clip. You don't want to be cruel. to people. You don't want to be unfair. Having  been unfair many times, it weighs on me. Don't. want to do that. So, kind of looked around. Is  this consistent with Ben Shapiro's worldview? Does he think GDP, the aggregate economic  activity in a country, the bottom line number, which really doesn't tell you that much? But for  simple people like Ben who aren't sophisticated.

in their understanding of economics, that's  important. GDP, GDP, GDP. Never hinting at. the things that it doesn't measure. Never  hinting at what a distorted number that is, just like the inflation rate or the employment  rate. I mean, these are not really real numbers. But is he really a guy who cares about GDP or  economic activity or some people getting rich. more than he cares about the lives of his fellow  Americans? Boy, that's a pretty heavy charge.

You'd hate to level that against anyone. You'd  hate to claim that about anyone. Could this be a. guy who really only cares about a foreign country?  So, we went looking. So, first and famously, don't even put on the screen because I'm sure  you've seen this, there was Ben Shapiro saying, you know, I'd be willing to vote for BB Netanyahu  for president of the United States if only it were. constitutionally allowed. Huh? You want some  foreigner to run our country? Who even thinks.

like that? He said that. Maybe it was just he was  getting carried away. He just loves BB so much. loves the guy who is killing tens of thousands of  children in Gaza so much that he wants him to run. our country. Okay. But then we found a couple of  other clips which are recent that give a window. not just and hate to be mean to poor Ben Shapiro  who's clearly going away as a media force. I. hate to be mean to him but this does reflect the  worldview of an awful lot of people in Washington.

and a lot of people in Ben Shapiro's world. And  that worldview is the people of this country. don't really matter. They can be replaced. By the  way, if you complain about the fact they're being. replaced, which they are at high speed, it's  measurable. Then you're a Nazi and you must. shut up and be punished. But those people don't  really matter. They should do what they're told. and ultimately they should just serve the people  for profiting from all of this. Does he really. think that? Well, here are a couple of clips that  you can watch carefully and answer the question.

for yourself. Here's Ben Shapiro. We have trained  an entire generation of people to believe that. if their lives are not what they want them to be,  it's the fault of systems as opposed to decisions. that are in their own control. And politicians  absolutely have a stake in selling that. A lot of. people in our industry have a stake in in selling  that. It makes people feel good about themselves. and bad about the world. And the reality is if you  want a better life, you should feel better about. the world and worse about yourself. If you are a  young person and you can't afford to live here, then maybe you should not live here. I mean, that  is a real thing. Okay? I know that we we've now.

grown up in a society that says that you deserve  to live where you grew up, but the reality is. that the history of America is almost literally  the opposite of that. It's hard to know where to. start with that clip. I think that's been on the  internet and people are experiencing gut level. revulsion when they see it and they really should.  And there's so many ways to approach that. There's. so many things wrong with those statements.  So childish, those statements, so lacking an. understanding of people or any connection really  to the country at all. But really, what you see.

underneath all of that is contempt for the people  who live here. You have no right to live in the. town where you were born just because your parents  are buried there, your ancestors built the town. Who do you think you are? Imagine feeling that way  about someone in your own country. Imagine having. that level of contempt for a fellow American.  You don't even know anything about the person. Young people, they're not entitled to live where  they want. They'll live where Black Rockck tells.

them they can live. It's like, whoa. If you had  a thought like that, I've had some ugly thoughts. I just admitted having some ugly thoughts. Boy, I  would try and push it back and not express it. Ben. says it without any embarrassment because he means  it. That's exactly right. Because he means it. I don't think that you can win a popular debate  with that attitude because irrespective of the. content of your sentence, people can feel the  loathing that the speaker has for them. Ben.

Shapiro just does not care about you at all. Is  not even pretending to care about you. So again, it really doesn't matter what he's selling. that  guy is not going to make the sale if people are. free to buy whatever they want. It's like I don't  know what that guy's selling, but he doesn't like. me. I can feel it right away. He doesn't care  at all about me at all. And he thinks so little. of me, he's not even going to like put on the  dog. He's not even going to like try to pretend.

to care about me. And a guy like that, he really  needs censorship and bullying to succeed because. the free market does not reward a man like that  at all ever because people don't like it. Why. would they like it? Here's another clip that  makes basically the same point that is in some. ways even more disgusting, maybe less well-known.  Here's Ben Shapiro telling you that if you ever.

want to retire, stop working to pay off your 50  freaking year mortgage. You own the house really. for 50 years. Okay. No, no, I'm renting it. I'll  be 90 by the time I pay it off. Which of course. I won't cuz I got all kinds of other loans, too.  So, if you complain about that, if you had these. dreams of like working really hard and retiring,  how dare you? How dare you? Here's Ben Shapiro. No. one in the United States should be retiring at 65  years old. Frankly, I think retirement itself is. a stupid idea unless you have some sort of health  problem. It's totally insane that you believe that.

you should be able to work from the time that you  are essentially 20 to the time that you are 65, which is a 45 year period, pay in and then you  will receive social security benefits sufficient. to support you and your family, you and your  wife or whatever, for like another 20 years. That's crazy talk. Yeah, it's crazy talk. Like,  how dare you? How dare you? Now, the conventional. response to this, I've heard people say it is,  well, Ben Shapiro can say that because he's a.

podcaster. He's not climbing ladders for a living.  And if you climb ladders for a living, you know, or do any kind of physical labor, even light  physical labor, your body breaks down. It's just. a fact. And if you around people who have done  it, you know, by the time they get to 50, they're. limping and they're in pain. That's why they're,  you know, you go to these little towns around the. country and most businesses are gone. There are  no furniture stores or no toy stores. like they're. all gone. They're all at Walmart. They're a  husk. But what you do find next to the, you know,

the the drug rehab places are chiropractors or  a lot of chiropractors throughout the country. It's because poorer people, working-class people,  blueco collar people are aching. They have trouble. walking. Their backs hurt. So retirement for a man  who climbs ladders is a little bit different from. a man who hosts a podcast. But that's not even the  point that I would make. That's true. Of course, it's pure contempt for people who work with  their bodies and he should be judged for that.

But I think it's deeper than that. It's like, how  dare you tell me when I should retire? Who are you. exactly? What who gave you the moral authority to  judge when I retire? That's insane. You're like a. child who's got some deal with Facebook to I mean,  or whatever. Whoever you are, you are not God. You have no right to talk to me like that, but  you do because you have no respect for me. You.

have no love for me at all. And it does kind of  point to the core problem. Not with Ben Shapiro, who will not be a factor in America in 5 years. I  can promise you that. Or Mark Levin. Let's hope he. gets better. No, it points to the problem with  their leaders. They don't like the people they. lead. That's it right there. They have no love  for the people they lead. And all leadership is. based on the patriarchal model. The father is a  good father because he loves his children. He may.

make mistakes, but ultimately he comes back  to true north because he loves them. That's. what keeps him honest. His sincere love for his  children. That is the model for all leadership. That's the model for leadership in the military,  in a company. That's the model for rhetorical. leadership. You want people to follow you. You  want to sell your ideas to them. want to convince. them of what you're saying is true. Show some love  for them. Demonstrate that you love that you care. about them. Why are we doing this? Because we  think it's better for you. Shapiro and all of.

these guys. They don't make an effort to do that  because they don't feel that way at all. Shut up, cattle. You're a Nazi. Give us the money for  our preferred little country or else we're. going to denounce you, man. Those attitudes  are incompatible with leadership and in fact. with democracy itself. You can't have a country of  350 million people governed by boutique goals and.

concerns. I really care so much about this thing  and you better care about it too or else I'm going. to attack you and deplatform you. It doesn't work.  It's illegitimate actually. And if you keep it up, you're flirting with, you know, real backlash,  like a real one. Not Nick Fuentes, like a real. one. So cool it. Listen to other people. Don't  treat them like cattle. Treat them like human.

beings. And finally, the last lesson to learn  from all of this is that there is no Amalcch. Amalecch. Deuteronomy. It describes a tribe  that is beyond redemption and must be killed. Period. Because they have blood guilt. Their  DNA, as Mark Levin explained on Twitter, makes them evil. And they must be destroyed. Every  one of them. Not just the fighting age men, but.

their wives and their kids and their parents. All  must be killed because we're not just killing a. foreign army. We're killing a strain of genetics.  Because that's where the sin comes from, their. genetics. We do not acknowledge that. We cannot  allow that attitude. That will wind up like Rwanda. right away, like quickly in our lifetimes. We will  see mass killing if we don't get that attitude. under control. It's the attitude that animated the  Nazis. It's the attitude that really is behind all.

mass slaughter in history. And we can't have it  in the West. Period. So once you accept that, then. you also have to acknowledge that there are no  permanent enemies. That we disagree with people. We may violently disagree, passionately disagree.  I hate what you're saying, but we all, and this is. a Christian imperative as well, but also it's like  a prerequisite for continuing to exist. You have. to acknowledge and say out loud that if people  change or if you change, cuz we all do change.

and when we're under pressure, we change much  more quickly. All of us are changing right now. It's imperceptible to usually, but keep a daily  diary and look at it 5 years from now. You're. a different person. you change and so do all the  people around you. And because that is true, some. people will change for the worse, some people will  change for the better. We cannot have permanent. enemies. Period. It's immoral to imagine that  someone must always be your enemy, that he's an.

Amalachite or whatever. That is immoral. And it's  also, by the way, cutting yourself off from one. of life's greatest joys, which is finding common  humanity with another person and deciding, wait. a second, you know, I really dislike this person.  But all of a sudden, I'm seeing this person as a. person whose concerns are not exactly the same  as mine, but close enough. And actually, this. person is saying something really interesting, and  I'm learning, and I'm changing, and I'm becoming.

much more aware of who this person is, and I  and I really like it. In other words, there's. no greater joy than the joy of reconciliation.  And that's the story of the prodigal son. Yeah, he did all kinds of indefensible stuff. Yeah,  he wasted dad's money. Yeah, he acts like a. total [ __ ] Okay, but he's back and we're  going to celebrate it. That's the greatest, most profound joy that there is. Being reunited to  another person, discovering that actually I really. like you. I thought I didn't, but now I do because  there are no permanent enemies. We have to have.

that attitude. And it's with that in mind that I  announce with sincere pleasure that I really like. and respect Ana Kasperian. And not because both  of us have total contempt for the lunatic running. Israel right now, BB Netanyahu, but because  I sincerely think that Ana Casperian, well, she disagrees with me, I'm sure, on a million  issues, is motivated by a desire to figure out. what is best for the country that we live in.  It's not about Israel at all. Sorry, Mark Levan.

It's about us. And I think Anna Casperian really  cares about the United States. And so with that. in mind, I'm just very happy to introduce her now.  Anna, thanks so much for coming on. Thank you for. having me, Tucker. I appreciate it. I'm worried  about where this is going. I'm worried about all. the Nazi talk. Not just because it's directed at  me and you, but because once you start talking. like that, it's kind of hard to walk it back.  And it's kind of hard to disapprove of violence.

when the people you're calling Hitler get killed.  Like, how could you be sad when Hitler dies? So, how do we where are we going? And how do we  stop the introduction of like Nazi Hitler, fascist into our conversation? We we need to pull  back on that, I think. Well, I obviously you're. right about that. There's no question. And I think  what you're also correct about is the fact that. these words are specifically being used in a way  to intimidate people and persuade them to avoid.

speaking out against what they find to be a huge  problem in our country's priorities right now. And. what I would like to say to anyone who's been  smeared as an anti-semite when they don't have. any hatred in their hearts at all for the Jewish  people is don't let them win when they do that to. you because you know in your heart you're not an  anti-semite. You know in your heart that you're. not a Nazi. The people closest to you in your life  know that. And so you as an American have every.

right in the world to be critical of the fact that  regardless of which presidential administration. we're talking about, our priorities are messed up  and there isn't enough focus on all the various. aspects of American society that are completely  falling apart right now as we speak. You know, there's been political violence in this country.  I'm going to put my cards on the table and say, you know, I've been guilty of using inflammatory  rhetoric certainly. Uh, but I think what you're.

saying here is important, especially as it  pertains to how Americans communicate with. one another about these incredibly controversial  issues. I get that people get passionate, but you. have to understand the motivations of the person  who's trying to smear you. Number one. Number two, if you are met with this type of rhetoric from a  fellow American, you're so right. Do not become. what you claim to hate. Don't become hateful  yourself. I allowed that to happen to me to some.

extent during Trump's first term. I have a lot of  remorse about that because I think there are a lot. of really great people in this country. They voted  for Trump. Turns out I don't care. Doesn't matter. who they voted for. It doesn't say anything about  who they are as people. And more importantly, they're my fellow Americans who have participated  in what makes this country great, which is our. ability to voice our support and cast our ballot  for who we feel is best to represent us. So,

I just think there's something kind of interesting  happening in the country right now that gives. me a little bit of optimism, gives me a little  bit of hope. People are starting to see beyond. partisanship and instead kind of understand.  Okay, wait a minute. We're all Americans. It. feels like a lot of the framing around partisan  divides is completely manufactured and in fact is. utilized by members of the media to divide us and  to distract us from the fact that our government.

is not focused on taking care of us. And so  I just really want to drive that point home. Don't fall for the gross rhetoric. Don't partake  in it and try to see the humanity in everyone. before you allow yourself to devolve into the  very thing that you hate. Now, I will say it's. really hard for me to practice that when it comes  to members of the IDF and Netanyahu in particular,

but I think your message uh is the correct  message. So, I saw this I've been brooding. about this for the last couple of days because  I am worried that the violence will accelerate. and I it and I've been in countries where this  happens. it gets to a certain point and you know. your cousin gets killed and at that point you just  you can't think clearly and you just you know you. get swept up in it. That is a very familiar cycle  to anyone who's seen it. So the only way to stop. that is by controlling our own behavior and by  being honest about it. And as I was thinking. about this I saw that you apologized to someone um  publicly for something that you had said about him.

and I just oh it was weird that we were having  the same thoughts at the same time but can you. explain that? Sure. Uh so about five years ago,  Erin Mate, who is a journalist and um is actually. doing a lot of really great work, especially  in his coverage of what's happening in Gaza, had reported some things that I disagreed with in  regard to what was happening in Syria. Right? So,

uh, I he didn't deny that Bashar al-Assad had in  some instances used chemical weapons, but there. was one particular instance that he was denying  and I disagreed with him on that. Who's right, who's wrong, that doesn't even matter at this  point. I don't even know why I allowed that one. minor disagreement to basically whip me up  into this crazy frenzy and this been there, baby. Right. where all of a sudden I'm like, "No,  no, no. Aaron Mate definitely he's getting funded. by the Russians. Definitely getting funded  by the Russians." And so on TYT one day,

Jen and I were discussing Syria and I just blurted  that out and you know, I was in a different headsp. space at that time. I'd like to think that I've  matured a little bit since then and um I just kept. doubling down. I wouldn't apologize. Uh there were  some circumstantial things that I would point to, but really nothing solid to prove that Aaron Mate  is funded by the Russians. And so over the last.

year in particular, I just kept seeing his his  posts on X. I actually was on a panel with him on. Pierce Morgan's show and he and I were very much  uh on the same page in regard to the topic we were. discussing. And every single time he would come up  in my mind, I've just felt really bad about myself. because I smeared him and I never apologized and  that's not okay. And so I came across another one. of his posts today that I liked on X. And I was  like, you know what? Now is the time. It's been.

5 years. It's embarrassing that it's been 5 years.  Now is the time for me to practice what I preach, to lead by example and apologize to him  unequivocally. And um he was I was met. with grace. uh he was very very kind and he  accepted my apology and I'm very grateful for. that. But I there's another point I want to just  quickly make about this. If you are in the media, understand like we are all flawed and you're  right, Tucker, we all do change. Some for the.

better, some for the worst. It is okay to admit  when you're wrong. It is okay to apologize. It. doesn't make you, I don't know, a a less credible  person if you admit you were wrong. And so just. something to keep in mind if you happen to be  in the media and you've made a mistake or you've. accidentally smeared someone or you intentionally  smeared someone and then realized it was wrong, just apologize and move on. I just think it's such  a that's such a beautiful story that you just told. and really at the heart of everything I care about  and I I'm wondering why do you think you're cons,

you know, because we talk for a living.  You've talked for a living for 20 years, something like that. um that's every day, always  talking on camera, but this followed you for five. years. I just think it's so interesting that  it kept coming back to you. Why do you think. that is? And how did you feel after you said that  in public today? At first, I felt scared after I. said that in public because, you know, sometimes  you're met with people who even though they're. not the ones who got smeared, uh they're not the  ones receiving the apology, they won't accept it.

and they just keep doubling down on how you're  a terrible person. And that's fine. That's fair. Uh but to my surprise, a lot of people were really  happy to see that because it's so rare these days, especially on social media. And look, especially  over the last, I would say three, three and a half. years. I've just personally realized something,  which was okay, what is my identity? Like,

am I just Armenian? Right? And I look, I love  my Armenian heritage. Absolutely love it. But. I was born and raised in America and I love  this country. And if you do love this country, engaging in divisive garbage that just tears this  country apart, that makes Americans turn on one. another is really not the way to go. And so I just  made a decision at some point that I'm not going.

to engage in that. And the only time that I will  allow myself a little more freedom in my rhetoric. is when I'm referring to a foreign country that is  harming us. Okay. Yes. So, uh, in the case of the. United States, in the case of my fellow Americans,  in the case of people I disagree with politically, let's have that conversation. It's okay if it  gets fiery. I'm known to get very passionate. But. I hope that the message I'm sending is that again  I see the humanity in the person I'm disagreeing.

with first and foremost and that once the debate  is over there's no engaging in the dehumanizing. disgusting rhetoric that Mark Levin honestly  has been spewing for many many years and now. it's being directed toward you because you had the  audacity to criticize the foreign country that he. seems to care far more about than our own. That's  the way I see it. And I knew this was going to. happen, Tucker. I They were waiting for something  to pin on you outside of your evidence-based.

critique of what's happening in this USIsrael  alliance. And in fact, I had a conversation about. this with someone close to me. So someone told me,  "Look, everything that you've been saying about. what's happening in Gaza and what Israel's been  up to is backed up by evidence, right? So they. can't really come after you for that. But what  they will do is find you in a moment of weakness.

where you make a mistake and they'll destroy you.  So be careful because they're watching." That's. correct. Well, that that moment never happened  or hasn't happened yet. But what I have noticed. is they can just take you out of context, which  has happened. And as a result, I was met with. violence in my own neighborhood by someone who is  absolutely convinced that I'm a Jew hater, which. of course I'm not. So that's the kind of situation  we're dealing with right now. And it's scary, but. the only thing you can do is really control your  own behavior. You can't control the behavior of.

others. And I'm hoping that if we lead by example,  we can get this country to a better place. So what? Let me just say they I've been denounced  as America's most dangerous anti-semite. No one. ever provides a single that's crazy example of me  being anti-semitic because I'm not. And if I was, I guess I'd probably just say so. I just say  my views as plainly as I can. And I abhore. anti-semitism. I've always thought that. I've  always said that. So there's no I mean it's a. lie. But I'm interested. I'm not afraid at all.  However, I understand that this is an incitement.

to violence. It clearly is. It's intentional. They  approve of violence. They love what's happening. in Gaza. I don't need more evidence. They love  violence. They don't consider their opponents. fully human. So, tell me what happened. You  said that these slanders provoked violence. against you. Yes. Yes. So, there are these weird,  dark, shadowy organizations. Um, we don't know how.

they're funded. Some of them we don't even know  who are be who's behind them. But uh you know, one of them is Canary Mission. There's another uh  group called Stop Anti-Semitism. I think there's. more information about who's behind that group.  And then there's another group called Jews in. School. And so these groups realized that they  can't get me fired from my job, right? Jenkuger. is not going to fire me because of my critique of  Israel. So they instead decided to start attacking.

my husband and they are trying to get him fired  from his job even though he's I mean this is like. the most a-olitical guy. When I met him I'm like  oh are you into news and politics? He's like no. I'm like what are you into sports? That that was  it. I'm like you're perfect for me. Good husband. I agree. That's good. Right. And um I mean they've  been relentless in taking me out of context. And. sure enough, one morning as I was walking my dog,  a woman who I've actually seen in the neighborhood.

before, we had never spoken to each other, but  you know, we've passed by one another without. incident. She's standing in the middle of the  sidewalk just kind of blocking it and her dog is. going nuts and she's looking at me with this weird  menacing look on her face. And you know, I'm just. I'm really not thinking much of it. I'm thinking,  oh, that face is probably because of the fact that. her dog is losing its mind. She's probably trying  to train the dog. No big deal. I literally try to. get around her cuz she's blocking the sidewalk.  And I walk into the street and as I'm doing that,

she starts approaching me with her dog. Like  basically sicking her dog at me and my dog, which is like a little 20 lb dog mine is. And  at that point, I take my headphones out. I'm. listening to music. I'm like, "Hey, what what are  you doing?" And she's like, "You're a Jew hater.". Uh, I'm like, "Oh my gosh, she's actually trying  to hurt me with her dog." And at that point, I tried to reason with her at first. I'm like,  "No, no, there's a misunderstanding." And she's.

like screaming at the top of her lungs. And to  be honest with you, at at that point, I was just. like, "Okay, I'm critical of a foreign country  that is currently killing tens of thousands of. children. So, let me ask you, how many children  need to be slaughtered for you to be satisfied? And at that point, like her dog's still going  nuts and I realize, "Okay, it's stupid for me. to keep standing here. I'm going to get my dog  to safety." And as I'm walking away from her,

she utters, "Good luck to your husband dealing  with you." And I was like, "My husband loves. me." And her response to that is, "That's why  we're trying to get him fired." Which told me. that she's basically part of an organized group  that's trying to destroy my life because I'm. critical of Israel. Yeah. And so I am smart enough  to understand that it is stupid to conflate people. like this with the entire Jewish population.  I will never let these people win and turn me.

into an anti-semite. Ever. Ever. Ever. Amen. My  absolute best friend from high school um she's my. sister. I love her. She's Jewish. I go to Passover  Seder with her. And it's just it's ridiculous to. just go around smearing people. But here's what  I will say. This type of behavior is exactly what. leads to anti-semitism. Yes. Because if people  feel like they're being targeted like this, if. people feel like there's a group of people that's  trying to destroy their lives, their livelihoods,

uh make sure that they end up out on the streets  with nothing. I mean, what do you think that. inspire inspires in people's hearts? Anger,  rage, hatred. You know, Barry Weiss uh just. interviewed Senator John Federman and asked like,  "Oh, what, you know, why do you think there's this. rise in anti-semitism? It's the social media  platforms. You know, it's the algorithms. How. could they do this?" No, Barry, we keep seeing  children slaughtered. And guess what? Americans. don't like that. How about stop slaughtering the  children and this issue that you're, you know,

fired up about might actually calm down a little  bit. But they just don't get it because they think. that Israel is entitled to doing what it's doing.  And I disagree. Yeah. And I I don't think that I. should be required to pay for it or denounced  as a Nazi. But it's interesting um and very. distressing to me since I spent my whole life on  the right, whatever that is. I'm beginning to ask. what is that exactly? But I thought that one of  the pillars of non-liberal thought, one of the.

main reasons Trump got elected last November was  because we on the right are opposed to censorship. And I I sincerely am on the deepest level. Like I  would never submit to that under any circumstances. because I think it it's the thing that separates  the free from the enslaved. If you're free, you. can't tell me what to think or say. Period. And  of course, it's the most American of all values. So I thought that that was a sacraanked principle  and that it would never be violated by anyone.

and we can disagree but like you could never  try to prevent me from saying it. And I wake. up and I maybe I just missed this. I I didn't  know this. All of a sudden, everybody I know, Barry Weiss and that creepy guy from the Babylon B  and you know, all these people, it turns out like. they spend all day thinking about how to prevent  other people from talking and working to prevent. other people from talking. Barry Weiss is at the  top of that list. Here's a media executive, the.

head of CBS News, whose real interest is imposing  censorship on the country on behalf of another. country. I just I I don't Does that shock you?  Or maybe I'm just too naive. I did not see that. coming at all. Yeah, you're a little bit naive.  So I I did see it coming. I think I am. I agree. because the truth is, you know, there are very few  people who are sincere in wanting to protect free. speech because as soon as there is speech that  um offends their sensibilities, all of a sudden.

they're not in favor of protecting free speech.  Uh so protecting speech matters the most when you. are hearing speech you dislike because you have to  think about how wanting to censor people who are. engaged in rhetoric you don't like is definitely  going to come back around to you. And uh you know. as someone who has been on the left for most of my  adult life, right? I remember thinking to myself,

for all the people on the left who are like  hellbent on engaging in censorship, do you. guys understand history? Do you know how this is  going to work out for you if you keep engaging. like this? And so I just I just think that what's  particularly gross about what's happening in this. current moment is that the censorship has to  do with speech that is critical of a foreign. country. That's right. And that's unacceptable.  Okay. It's unacceptable. We are able to be as.

critical as we want of our own government which  should also be protected obviously. But the idea. that I mean the other thing I want to just quickly  say I know this is a little bit of a tangent but. I have to get this out. Ahmed Ashar Shara uh  playing basketball with members of our military. in the United States White House on US soil. Okay.  a so-called former al-Qaeda terrorist visiting New.

York City for the UN General Assembly is such an  insult to the American people. Unacceptable. So, while you have the Mark Leven and people like  him, constantly defaming people as jihadists, Islamists, terrorists, hey, you got any  word about uh Alshara cozying up to the. Trump administration? Are we okay with  that? Oh, he doesn't like Hezbollah. Okay, so I guess he's our ally because he doesn't  like Hezbollah. It's It's just disgusting how.

much our government again regardless of which  administration we're talking about. I mean, the the Biden administration probably would  have done the same thing to be honest with you, right? And and it's just sick to me that all of  a sudden actual terrorism, the terrorism that. took out thousands of our own people and ended  up dragging us into lengthy wars in the Middle. East that killed more of our soldiers and tons of  innocent civilians. By the way, that's okay. We.

we're just going to forget about that. We're going  to wipe the slate clean because this al-Qaeda. terrorist doesn't like Hezbollah and is good for  Israel. It's insane. It's absolutely insane. Well, the irony I really want to get that out. The  irony. No, and I'm so glad you said that. I mean, it raises a lot of questions about 9/11. By the  way, I was told that al-Qaeda did 9/11 and killed. 3,000 Americans, and I spent 20 years adjusting  my life accordingly and covering all this nonsense. around the world and really believing that.  So, if that's true, how how do we have an.

al-Qaeda leader playing basketball with American  servicemen? A B I was also told that um you know, the Arab countries are the problem, right? So I  happened to be in an Arab country with, you know, well-connected people in that country, people  run that country the day that Assad landed in. Moscow and this character took over Syria. And  I just happened to be there. So I I asked like, "Who is this guy?" And they were I mean, their  instinct was, "This is bad. This guy's like a.

jihadi. He's a radical." They hate the jihadis, by  the way, the leaders of prosperous Arab countries, probably of all Arab countries, because they're  a threat to them. So they really don't like is. Islamist. I'm sorry, Mark Levvin, who I I don't  think has ever traveled outside our borders, but that's just a fact. And they were very wary  of this guy, extremely wary of him and bothered. by the whole thing. And they understood that it  was Turkey and Israel that did this, of course, and for their own ends, but they didn't like this  guy. They thought he was too dirty. And then so to. see him now celebrated at the White House, it's  like, okay, so let's talk about 9/11 again, you.

know, like what was what was that? Did did that  ra evoke those questions in your mind? I mean, absolutely. I'm But you know, Tucker, I'm the bad  guy because I acknowledged FBI files that detailed. the so-called dancing Israelis. Okay, I'm the bad  guy. But having Wait, why is that bad? Why is that.

bad to have if you have if you arrest foreigners  on your soil for celebrating the biggest terror. attack in your history? Why? Why are you the  criminal for just pointing that out? Well, well, because they were Israelis, of course. Oh,  okay. It's that simple. It's that simple. If they. were I mean, let's let's just be honest here.  if the individuals who were arrested that day. weren't Israeli and were instead, let's say,  le Lebanese or Syrian or anything else. Um,

it wouldn't be controversial to talk about  that. In fact, you would be uh encouraged to. talk about that. And so, it's just it's just the  whole thing is sick because I was in high school. when 911 happened. So, I remember what America was  like prior to 911. 911 crushed this country. Yes, 911 convinced Americans to give some of their  civil liberties away to our foreign to our.

uh federal government in the name of national  security. 911 encouraged the United States to. go to the Middle East and engage in wars that we  should not have engaged in, especially Iraq. And. um it hasn't ended since then. I mean, 911 is  what persuaded the American people that it was a. good idea to go into debt in order to fight these  wars. We had an economic surplus in the beginning. of the Bush administration. We are now drowning  in federal debt, $38 trillion. It's getting worse.

every single year. And um just to go back to  what you said about Ben Shapiro, he and I were. debating on a CNN panel where the topic of social  security came up again and he just kept talking. about how social security is bankrupting this  country. when I challenged him by mentioning the. trillions of dollars the United States has spent  on yes supporting Israel uh through, you know,

military aid, but also other things like bribing  Egypt to play nice with Israel and the trillions. of dollars that we have fought in wars on behalf  of Israel. You don't think that that's uh crushing. our economy a little bit? You don't think that's  contributed to our debt far more than our social. security system, which I will admit, uh, yeah,  there is a funding issue there, but Americans. have paid into that system. Americans are entitled  to that system, right? Okay. They weren't handed.

that money. That money is the result of their hard  work and their contributions to that program. Uh, what has Israel contributed to the United States?  And why are they entitled to us literally taking. out loans like going into debt just to hand them  more money? It's insane. $30 billion since October. 7th has been funneled from the United States to  Israel for them to carry out what I believe are. atrocities in Gaza, in the West Bank, in Lebanon,  in Syria, in Yemen. I mean, the list goes on and.

on and on. name a country they haven't bombed.  So, I just think that it's important to have. these conversations and I understand that people  like Mark Levvin will get very irritated by it, will get very offended by it because, well, uh, he  can't respond to it effectively or substantively. You can't defend the indefensible. The only thing  you can try to do is shut people up. But some. people can't be silenced. I'm one of them. You're  another one of them. and uh they can go ahead and.

smear us all they want but you know when it comes  to the marketplace of ideas I think Americans have. spoken in regard to who they agree with the most  on this matter and it's because they have felt. the economic ramifications of the US alliance with  Israel I don't see how um this particular set of.

beliefs wins any election so if only care about  serving a foreign power, an irrelevant foreign. power. You're not getting anything in return for  it, and you don't care at all about the condition. of your own country. I just don't see a a market  for that. I mean, I disagree with it, of course. I'm repulsed by it, of course, but as a sort of  matter of democratic principle, I don't see how. you get to 51% in an election with that. I just  don't think that has a future at all. I think most. people look at that and like, no. So why wouldn't  there be some convergence from either side,

all sides? Why wouldn't you have like a true let's  just argue about what to do to help America party? Like isn't that inevitable? I feel like that's  in some regard forming already. Um you know, the the two-party system I don't think bodess  well for the American uh populace. Like I think. what actually makes a lot more sense is maybe  don't fully disregard labels if that's something.

that you're into, you want to think about labels,  but consider that there are areas of agreement, actually vast areas of agreement between the  two sides, especially as it pertains to foreign. policy, especially at this current moment.  So, uh, the idea that I wouldn't be willing. to align myself with someone on the right who  I might have a ton of other disagreements with, but we have the agreement on, hey, we need to  find a way to organize and and get our federal.

government to prioritize us. I'm going to work  with people who agree with me on that. I don't. care where they land on the political spectrum,  you know, and if they're willing to admit fault. in public in a sincere way, anyone who will do  that is an ally of mine. Whether they regard. me as an ally is another question, but I regard  anyone willing to do that as an ally. Both for. moral reasons, it's my religion, but also be for  practical reasons. The only reason that we bombed. ineffectively bombed the nuclear sites in Iran is  because no one ever acknowledged that Iraq was a.

mistake. Libya was a mistake. Afghanistan, the  20-year occupation was a mistake. Having nothing. to do with how we withdrew, we shouldn't have  been there for 20 years. It was all a mistake. And nobody ever admitted it, much less took  responsibility, much less accepted punishment. or sanction for it. And if you don't do that,  it doesn't get better. It just gets worse. Well, what's amazing is how quickly people not  only forget about all the lies that were told.

to the American people to manufacture consent to  get us into that war, that preemptive war in Iraq, even people who remember for some reason allow  themselves to be propagandized into believing that. Iran is a real threat to America. Right? And um if  Iran was really a threat to America, I don't think. they would hit the US government up and let us  know, hey, just to save face with our population.

since you attacked us and our nuclear sites, we're  going to drop a few missiles in this area near. a US air base, but we want you to evacuate all  your soldiers because we don't want anyone to get. killed. Yeah. Real threat to the United States.  Okay. In reality, Iran is a threat. Iran is a. threat to uh Israel. There's no question about  that. Yes. Because Iran is now the only country. left uh that isn't willing to sit by and allow  Israel to engage in an expansionist project that.

involves slaughter, land theft, and um really much  of what we've been seeing over the last two years. You said a few minutes ago that you're proud to be  Armenian, but that fundamentally you're American. and that suggests to me that the idea of my group  versus your group, zero sum identity politics,

you're rejecting that in favor of some more  universalist connection to other people. We're. all kind of in this together. Yeah. In in favor of  America and Americans. Absolutely. Because if you. you know, my brother actually confronted me about  this and I think he made a really good point and. made me start thinking differently. You know, he  kind of referred to America devolving into like. a commuter country, right? Where people come here  and they they don't see themselves as Americans.

They're born here. They don't see themselves as  Americans. They kind of see this as like the land. of opportunity, but they think my identity is not  an American. My identity is I'm white, I'm black, I'm Latino, I'm Armenian, whatever. And you  kind of like segregate yourself into these. like high school-like clicks where everyone else  is your enemy, right? And it's Yeah. You can't. be thinking about Americans that way. There  has to be something that bonds us together,

an identity that brings us together. And that  identity is that we are Americans. We should. want to see this country thrive. And I think a lot  of people who do immigrate to this country want to. see this country thrive. They love this country  and they hate what has happened to their country, right? The freedoms that uh they were not afforded  in their country of origin. But make no mistake. about it. If you are here and you think, well,  I'm just here to reap the benefits of what this.

country offers, but I don't really care about the  Armen uh the American identity or experience. I. I just then you don't get it. You just don't get  it. I mean, I I don't know what else to say. One. of the things that I disagree with Ben Shapiro  most strongly on, and I just want to be clear, I don't hate Ben Shapiro at all. And we disagree  obviously on the use of force on Israel strongly, but that doesn't make me emotional. Ben  is looking at the world from a completely.

different perspective, which I reject, but I'm not  mad about it. What makes me mad is the way that he. describes the United States as like this economic  zone totally divorced from the actual people who. live there and their customs and their history  and their instincts and their connections to. each other and to regions to to physical reality.  He has no regard for that at all in the way that. big companies have no regard for that at all. Like  shut up and freeze your eggs and get back to work. And I feel like that's dehumanizing doesn't quite  describe that attitude. It it's an attitude that.

doesn't see people as human and in the service  of what? Making money. I mean, it's everything. about that I dislike. I feel like that's  never challenged on the right. Increasingly, it's not challenged on the left either. or it used  to be big time less and less but certainly on the. right people anyone who challenges it is derided  as a socialist I'm not quite sure what that means. I don't think I'm a socialist never have been but  I don't think that we should tell people that they. have no right to live in the town where they were  born like okay so who are we serving here what.

is the point of this exercise to maxim maximize  profits to you like what I don't know like what. is that well the first thing I thought of uh as I  listened to Ben Shapiro make that argument was oh. so I shouldn't have the ability to stay close to  my family like think about yeah think about what. ties you to the community you live in right the  community you grew up in it's your family it's.

your friends it's your job a lot of people aren't  able to work remotely and uh part of the reason. why it's so expensive to live in you know some of  these cities or the most expensive parts of this. country is because whether we like it or not,  a lot of the jobs are concentrated there. So, I. would love nothing more than to live in a part of  the country that isn't as overcrowded as LA is to. be honest with you. Like, I want to be in nature.  I want a little more of a rural experience, but I. don't have that luxury because I do have to work  and my job is located here in Los Angeles. Um,

and any other media job I want, unless I work  for myself, is going to be in a big city like. New York. So, it's just this really interesting  idea. Like, I don't think most Americans are. walking around feeling entitled. Like, most  Americans aren't thinking to themselves, "Hey, you know what? I'm a bum and I sit on the couch  all day and I don't make any money, but I deserve. to live in a multi-million dollar mansion paid for  by the United States government." No. There are.

countless Americans in this country who work more  than 40 hours a week and still can't make ends. meet. something is broken in the system and uh  putting the onus on Americans and making them out. to be lazy bums is what offends me the most to be  honest. Well, sure. When Ben Shapiro says blaming. the system rather than blaming yourself, your  own lack of creativity, initiative, intelligence, whatever your problem is, is immoral, and that  is a kind of longtime refrain on the so-called.

right. And there are things about it that I agree  with. I do think you should blame yourself first. I'm trying to force myself to be in the habit of  that. I did something wrong. I'm going to admit. it. I think that's really important for the sake  of preserving your soul. And also, by the way, you get credibility when you're honest about  yourself. It's easy to be honest about other. people. You're fat, but it's hard to say, "I'm  fat, right?" So, like, I agree with it on one. level, but it's also just not true. Like, we  are subject to forces that we can't control.

It's just a fact. I didn't write the tax code,  for example. I don't have any control over the. hiring standards at various companies or the  admission standards at various schools. Those. are systemic problems. It's just it's just a fact.  They are systems. Those are rules written by other. people over which I have no control. So for Ben  Shapiro to say it's outrageous. It's a conspiracy. theory to blame the system does make me suspect  maybe you're a beneficiary of a system that you. can't actually defend and so you're attacking me  for asking questions about that system. That's.

just my reaction to what he said. I mean that it  comes across that way for sure. Obviously, I don't. know what the motivations of Ben Shapiro really  happen to be. What I do know is that when it comes. to government handouts, he never really seems to  have a problem with the government handouts that. get sent abroad to other countries. You get what  I'm saying? So, there's that. Uh but you know the. the other thing is even if you're doing well, even  if you're affluent, do you really want to live in.

a country where as soon as you walk outside your  door there's a massive homeless encampment? Oh, I agree. You know, do you really want to  live in a country like that? Cuz I don't. Uh, do you want to live in a country where close to a  100,000 of your fellow Americans are dying of drug. overdoses and our government seems to not really  care much and in fact exploits that as a talking. point to justify a potential war with Venezuela  which has nothing to do with fentinel by the way.

Sure. I know. So yeah and actually last question  on this but I just want to clear it up. So, um, we played that tape of Ben, you know, attacking me  because I really like Venezuela's anti-usery laws. Sorry, I do. Don't think you should charge 600%  interest annually on a payday loan. I don't think. that should be allowed. Period. So, I guess I'm  a socialist. But I think it's predatory and cruel.

and um it's it's slavery. So, no. But in that  litany, he said, you know, Maduro's bad. Okay, I'm. sure you know he's a dictatorial seems to be and  he's importing fentanel into the United States. Not meaningfully true, probably true in some, you  know, but but he's not Venezuela is not the main. source of fent in the United States. It's not even  close. That's Mexico. So established like that's. not true what he said. So what is the motive  in regime changing Maduro and you know toppling.

the government of Venezuela? What is what is the  motive there? Do you know? You know, it's I think. there are multiple different motives um including  the fact that uh former Senator Marco Rubio, current Secretary of State, um is a CubanAmerican,  has had an axe to grind with Venezuela uh because. of the fact that Venezuela is aligned with Cuba.  And um look, your sick little personal pet project. uh shouldn't be something that the United States  is dragged into and is forced to fund. But the.

other thing I think um you know it's funny when  the Venezuela story started developing I'm like. oh yes finally like a foreign policy story where  we don't have to talk about Israel but apparently. according to Senator Lindsey Graham there's some  weird connection with Hezbollah which I don't I. is that true? I have no idea but I don't care.  I don't care because like are we gonna go to war.

with every country that allegedly supports a a  militia or a group of people that are critical. of or not in favor of or even at war with Israel.  Like that's crazy. That does seem to be uh the. criterion. I I heard Lindsey Graham say that  and I was reminded that I just, you know, I'm. against the 1983 barracks bombing in Beirut. Of  course, it killed all those Marines. Apparently, that was Hezbollah. Um, I think it's a little  more complicated than that is my very informed.

impression. However, I'm against that. They  did it. I'm mad. But as a practical matter, that was 42 years ago. Um, Hezbollah does not  play a meaningful role in the decline of the. United States that I have noticed. So, like if  you're really obsessed with Hamas, Hezbollah, and to the exclusion of the issues that actually  affect our country, that tells me right there. that you're not serving our country, right? Mhm.  Yeah. I mean, yes. And also, listen, if you're.

worried about terrorist groups uh that could  potentially harm Israel or have harmed Israel, take it up with Netanyahu, who propped up Hamas  and facilitated Hamas's funding. I mean, I think. that's uh something that should be considered and  that's never talked about, that's never discussed. So, currently, Israel with the help of the United  States is funding these uh terrorist militias. within Gaza. Uh one of which, Abu Shabbab, by  the way, uh is the leader of one of them. I.

think it's called the Popular Front. Uh he has  ties to um other terrorist groups like ISIS. So why why are we cool with Israel providing arms  to that group? That seems like basically setting. things up for the future terrorist group that the  United States will be goated into helping Israel. fight. It's it's so obvious if you're paying  attention. So look, to answer your question, if it's not harming US national security, I don't  think we should be involved unless, you know,

there might be some rare instances where it does  make sense to get involved, right? Maybe there's. some sort of alliance that we're part of and we  want to protect our ally. Uh but I mean, bounds of. reason obviously with Israel, there are no bounds  of reason. There are no limits and Americans are. just expected to shut up and take it. And some  of us have decided, no, we're not going to shut. up and take it. This is wrong. Our people are  suffering and our priority our priority should.

be here at home. That was the winning message  that Trump campaigned on. I know. So, put your. money where your mouth is, please. Makes me sad to  think about it. Anna Kasparian, clear thinker, a. good person, as you prove today, I think. Um, and  I really appreciate you spending all this time. Thank you very much. Thank you, Tucker. Thanks so  much for joining us. We'll be back next Wednesday.