Tucker Carlson Hosts The Charlie Kirk Show

It's Tucker Carlson. I'm honored to be. sitting in uh to host the Charlie Kirk. show today. I was I flew in um from the. East Coast last night and was thinking. about what to do today for two hours and. there's all this very ugly drama. swirling uh around the Republican party, the right, the memory of Charlie Kirk. And I just thought, and I've got, of. course, strong opinions. I have strong. opinions about everything and I've. expressed them, but I I thought I really. need a break from that. And I don't. think that any of it reflects who.

Charlie was fundamentally. Who was. Charlie fundamentally? He was a. Christian man. And Jesus was the center. of his life. That was obvious to anyone. who knew him. It emerged in conversation. immediately when you talked to him. That's that's just a fact about Charlie. His life was about following Jesus. Period. And so I think the best way to. explain who he was is to spend the next. two hours talking about Jesus and. Charlie's relationship with him. And so. I'm going to be really happy to do that. This will be the happiest conversation.

about Charlie Kirk, I hope, uh, all. week. And so, as I said, I'm hosting, but I have no idea how the show works. I. literally don't know. Um, though I've. I've done it. But luckily, Andrew and. Blake are here, who I know very well. Um, I've actually worked with Blake for. years in another life. We're both. grateful to be gone from that. Uh, but. Andrew is really going to be like. running in and out. We have these things. called breaks and you've got commercials. and all that. Yeah, we got a show to run. here. Okay. Show. But you know what? >> Just not suited. >> But listen, we'll blow the brakes when.

we have to. So if you're watching on. stream, if you're watching on uh Real. America's Voice, you're watching on one, you know, a video platform, you'll. probably be fine. We're just going to. we're just going to have fun today. >> Good. Well, I with you in charge of the. details, I know that that will happen. Correct. >> Blake, it's wonderful to see you. We. talked on the phone the other day. I've. been thinking about you every single. day. Um so I hope you're holding up and. I'm and I'm grateful that you're here. So, uh, yeah, I want to talk about. Charlie's relationship with with Jesus. And I'm amazed going I have a whole list.

of thoughts or sound bites here. I asked. for Charlie talking about God in public. and I'm just kind of amazed what came. back. I mean, there really was a deluge. >> Yeah, it was unbelievable because. there's really no one in public life who. talked about Jesus more than Charlie. Kirk. And I'll just now I'm revealing. one of my ugly biases, but some of the. people whose job it is to talk about. Jesus are not um you know, I don't think. as credible and believable. I'm just. being honest as I think Charlie was. He.

really meant it. He wasn't being paid to. say it. I think everything that he did, everything that he thought, the way he. lived were all informed by his love of. Jesus. And I don't think I'm. overstating, and I I said this to him. recently when he was at my house in. Maine. I really, you remind me of Paul. Like, you never stop. I stop. I like to. I like to go fishing. I like to go bird. hunting. Like to hang out, you know, on. Saturday morning in bed with my wife and. like, you know, BS with my wife and all. that stuff. But Charlie just did not.

allow himself any of that. He was so. driven and you can see it now maybe as. part of a larger plan where he never. wasted a minute. He he forced himself to. get on the airplane and to do things. that were really, really hard in a way. that I've never done. I'll just admit. it. Um, and I think that was because he. felt God had a plan for him that he was. on a mission. It wasn't just about. getting somebody elected. It was about. something bigger than that. Am I Well, just ask you first, Andrew, and then. Blake. Do you think that's I'm reading.

too much into it or do you think that's. right? >> No, I I totally agree. And I've had I've. had wave after wave of revelation of. what we were actually doing. You know, I. was so in the weeds, we were so in the. weeds that it was impossible to fully. understand even what we were doing. But. I, you know, I'm I and and I I Charlie. and I bonded at the very earliest days. because we were both like really strong. Christians and that was such a central. part of who we were. But we didn't. >> we, you know, we didn't talk about it.

all the time necessarily publicly, but. as the years went on, >> we both knew that we had each other in. that way. And I've tweet there's two tweets that I. I've posted. I have realized in the days. hence that. he was a prophet, not a fortune teller. like people think of prophecy. He was. like a biblical prophet that would go. into a nation and call it to repent. That's what he was doing. He was going. to these campuses and he was going on. stage and he was going on this show and. the podcast and he was calling a nation. to repent. He went to London and he.

called England to repent at Cambridge. and Oxford and they they hurled insults. at him. They mocked him. They jered him. just like the biblical prophets. They. wanted to stone him and ultimately they. killed him. And that is what Jesus said. He said, "What did they do to the. prophets? They killed him." And now the. other revelation, >> you're making me emotional again because. I know that what you're saying is true. >> And the other revelation is specifically. about these campus tour. We called them. campus tours. They were tent revivals. >> Yes. complete with the tent. Tucker,

that's so I don't know why I didn't. really see you. >> I didn't either as it was. >> You say that and I just like to envision. like George Whitfield like being, you. know, just like Jesus was sent as a. savior and must be accepted to be saved. Prove me wrong. >> I know. But it's so clear to me now. >> It's so clear to me. >> And me, too. I don't know. It's Yeah. I. don't know how I missed that. I don't. know why I thought it was like political. organizing or something which I on one. level it was but it that's not well you.

guys were there all the whole time. I. mean it was more than that. >> It it was it was and it really knowing. him over the past almost 3 years. That. was what I would always tell people who. would ask about Charlie. And it's it's. so funny where like they'd always just. open like is Charlie smart? And I'd be. like yes. But that that's kind of. besides the point. Like the amazing. thing with him is not his IQ or like how. much how many like facts he can know or. something. What was amazing with him was.

his drive. The way I would say it was. like he was the highest agency person I. had ever met in my life. He thought if. there is something I don't like I have. the power as an individual to change the. world about that. >> or at least if I don't take action I. have no excuse to complain about it. And. he brought that to politics and. organization of course, but he. especially brought it to the faith. question. And he always always wanted to. talk about it. Uh he loved talking about. it in private. He loved talking about it. in places where it was you, you know,

arguably pointless. Uh the last speech. he kind of gave in public was we were in. Japan and Japan is 1% Christian maybe. Uh we were speaking to a party there. that's you know you know we're aligned. with them because they're. anti-immigration. They don't like. globalism. You know we have we were. talking to them about all that stuff. He. was like yo you should increase your. birth rate. Don't rely on immigrants and. all that. >> But Japan is famously resistant to. Christianity. >> Yes. Yes. But and I told him about that. and but you know in Korea we talked.

about Christianity and there it was a. Christian audience mostly. But he said, he's like, you know, is there somewhere. I can work in the faith angle to this? Because, you know, we're supposed to. preach it everywhere everywhere we go. And so we talked about that, you know, what what could we do? And we found a. spot late in the speech. And the very. end of his speech, he was saying, "Look. guys, I want you to save your country, but in the end, you're going to have to. believe in something transcendent for. that to work. It's not just going to. work on pragmatic grounds." and for me.

And then he just, you know, for me it's. because of my belief in the Almighty, my. belief in Jesus Christ. And you're going. to need to have something like that to. to be able to win. And you know, I think. two people in the audience started. clapping really really energetically and. the rest kind of sat there very politely. as a couple people. Oh, the Japanese. were wonderful people. But but you're. right, they're not open to that. But. there were two who were. >> Yeah. And maybe they were believers. I'm. not sure. But uh you know I'm I'm very.

glad he got to do that. And then. >> in Korea though u. totally different story. >> We have this clip. Why don't we just. play it if it's okay. 18. [Music].

All right. >> That that was 11 days ago, Tucker. and. he's on stage and in English they asked. him to come forward and pray and sing. over Charlie and they put their hands up. and they started in English saying how. great is our God sing with me how great.

is our God and Charlie put his hand on. his heart and Mikey said when he got off. stage. >> like he could see his eyes were misty it. meant so much to him Melbourne's one of. the darkest cities really in the world. >> there are good things about Melbourne. but basically it's it's in enemy hands. and boy do you feel it when you're there. and I was like I got to go to church so. I go of course to the Anglican Church, which is my denomination. It's now a. museum filled with Chinese tourists. I. was like, "Oh, this is the worst. I'm. feeling despondent." I go next door to. the Scottish church, the Presbyterian. church. Beautiful, beautiful church,

like in beyond. And there's no one in it. except at the front and it's like a 100. yards away. It felt like there's this. little group of people singing and it's. Koreans. And this Korean congregation of. like nine people has taken over the. church, rented it on Sundays because of. course no whites are going to church of. course. And I just thought to myself, this was God's way of reassuring me that. even though the world that I grew up in. is gone and totally, you know, everyone's fallen away and and it hasn't. worked at all. Um that that Jesus still.

lives and but you know, his name is. spoken in other languages. >> and one of those is Korean. And there's. something there's something about. watching, you know, Koreans worship that. just oh, it's my favorite thing ever. >> I I totally agree. They are absolute. prayer warriors. But I just believe. this, Tucker, and I have to say this. like in this moment, I believe God is. unleashing a a a new revival. >> Yes. >> On this country, and Charlie is a the. the spark that is igniting it. >> Completely agree. >> And I don't even want to say it's his.

his death. It's his the start of his. eternal life and his eternal glory, his. immortality. And I believe that he is. seated with God in heaven and he's. seated in glory. And I believe that. there's a reason that Charlie and Erica. would look at each other and say, you. know, our mission is to make heaven. crowded. And. and I believe that that is actually the. real mission. And that is actually going. to be happening right now. It's. happening in our midst right now. And. it's hap it's sweeping the country. And.

there was there was a story I just heard. on the drive here this morning that they. ran out of uh baptism space. They just. kind of did an impromptu baptism space. one of my friends churches and so they. went out in the parking lot start. dunking people in the fountain. Hundreds of them. Protestants are fun. I. just I just love that if I can just say. a word. I mean I don't get involved in. the Protestant Catholic Orthodox thing. because I'm just for Jesus. But if I. could just stick up just for one second. for my people. Protestants were real.

ones. Like they built this country. They. did. I'm sorry. It's just a it's a it's. a fact and they really believed in God. and they, you know, they were on the. right path. They were amazing people. And I I'm very aware that they've. declined to the point where I make fun. of them constantly, but there was. something very, very real there. Very. real, >> you know. Sorry. >> Well, the circuit writers in the. >> Feel like I have to say that. >> No, no, no. I mean, listen, and there as. I I'm somebody both Erica and I were. cradle Catholics, right? We were did the. first communion and we did the catechism.

and the you know the. >> uh anyways I went to Catholic high. school even um you did you go to. Catholic high school? >> No long story long story. >> I'll let you chime in if you want but my. parents moved me to public schools. >> I I ended up getting saved in college. >> Very very very non non-denominational. evangelical way to phrase it. I got. saved in college radically saved. Um, so. I had this Catholic background, but then. I found myself in a non-denominational. setting alone at a school in Seattle,

>> like the second least church city in the. country, >> and I ended up getting radically saved. And so, but I've never cared about the. distinctions. I love both. >> Yeah, I agree. >> You know, I might have petty minor. little theological differences. >> Yes. >> Doesn't matter. I love them both. I. don't I've can't because of my path. here. I never cared. Anyone who focuses. on Jesus is my brother. That's how I. feel. And I I agree with you 100%. And. if you let your It's a little bit like. Twitter actually. If you if you think.

about it too much, you end up hating. everybody and you miss the commonality. between people and the commonality. between Christians is Jesus. Period. And. if you think about, well, I'm mad about. transubstantiation or like the last pope. was horrible, which he was. Um. >> I'm so sad we didn't get to just have. that full debate. We we wanted to have. just a straight like just for fun like. let's debate Mary. >> No, I'm not doing that. >> Next, but we wanted to do it with. Charlie and now we can't. >> I'm not doing that. And that one of the.

the things I hope you guys live to your. 50s because and I and I'm and I'm sure. you will, but because when you get. there, you're like, "Wow, I've been. wrong about so much." And you think that. middle-aged people are wishy-washy. And. low testosterone does account for some. of that. Just a fact. But part of it is. just the recognition of how wrong you've. been. >> And that is the Christian forgive us our. sins as we forgive those who sin against. us. It's like first you meditate on how. fallen you are and then you realize you. don't have a basis upon which to judge.

other people actually and you can. forgive them. And that is the process. that's prescribed in the Lord's Prayer. Of course, it's a center of. Christianity, but it's also just like a. human process. And you get there and you. realize like, yeah, I'm mad about Mary. That's a fact. Okay. But then I get. older and my wife's like, "Oh, I was. just saying the rosary, my very. Protestant wife, and I love it. It. brings me closer to Jesus." And I'm. like, "I'm not judging anymore.". >> I really want people to understand, Tucker, you and Charlie had such a. unique and special bond and. relationship. It was It was a deep.

friendship, and you both. >> uh had each other's back in an. incredible back. >> You had his back, too. I know those. stories as well. >> Yeah. And I promised I wouldn't get into. any of that. But I will say, and I'm not. going to, but I will say because I want. this to be about Jesus and his love for. Jesus and what he did to spread the word. of Jesus throughout the world. But I. will just say this that whenever I would. come and do a gig for you guys, which. was a lot cuz I really enjoyed it. And. he was so kind to invite me and defend. my being there. But I would always, he's. the only person I did this with. I would.

always say, "Hey, you know, let's like. meet in my hotel room or have a meal.". Like I I loved talking to him and it. wasn't just to catch up on everything. that's going on in the political world. He would always bring it back to God. every single time and it was so there's. no one around like so he didn't need to. be like oh yeah I really love God like. just us and he'd be talking about that. >> and you would come to Phoenix and you. would reach out to I it was like I have. so many memories of Charlie being like I. can't I got to do dinner. Who are you.

doing dinner with? Oh Tucker's in town. I got to meet up with him. always, always. And he was so intellectually. curious and flexible. And I think that. also grew out of his Christian faith. And I know that as I've gotten older, it's been one of the things I appreciate. most about believing in God is like you. can admit when you were wrong. You can. change your views. Paul, who created a. lot of the early church, was the chief. persecutor of Christians. He was a. freaking Pharisee. So like in our. religion at its core is the fact that. God can change people. And so you don't. need to be brittle and afraid about.

admitting that yeah, I was totally off. base. And Charlie was so much like that. He was constantly thinking about is this. the right thing? Is that the right. thing? Like there's no one in public. life who does that. It. >> it's so easy for like relig, you know, for sometimes people use religion as an. excuse for megalomania. Yes. >> And Charlie was so humble. Genuinely. humble. We would we would have these. moments. Thank you for saying. And on. this note, we would have these moments. and I'd be like, can you freaking. believe what's going on? You're on South. Park or whatever. And and he would say. he would say stay humble. Stay close to.

Jesus. That would be the type. We need. to stay humble. We need to stay close to. Jesus. >> Really? >> Yes. >> This is in his private text to people he. works with. >> I have a story like this too and I'm I'm. ashamed that I am the villain in this. story. Basically, it was two weeks. before he died. >> and I'll never forget it. >> I there was just some annoyance that. was, you know, in our way and we we we. needed to deal with something. I can't. even remember it was. And I just. remember going, hey, you know, we could. just tell them XYZ and translation, we.

could just, you know, little white lie. and it'll go away. They'll understand. And I remember seeing the like the dots. he was typing right away. Right away. We. don't lie. >> It was a private message with me. And. and it wasn't you don't lie. It's not I. don't lie. It was Andrew. We we here on this show in this turn in. turning point. We don't lie. >> Well, and not only don't lie, I mean I.

without even getting into it, but like. if you run a huge nonprofit and TC is. all about huge nonprofits. I know. everyone who runs them. Boy, there are. temptations and there was never any of. that here ever. And we Tro and I talked. about that a lot. Like here are the. pitfalls in a man's life. Here here's. how people get ins sns snared. It. happened to David. I mean, we know this. is a thing. He was so, and again, I just had this conversation. with him right before he died because. I'm very focused on because I've seen so. many people destroyed destroy themselves.

and it's clearly like Satan acting on. them. Fact, sorry. And he was like he. was a narrow path walker in I just have. to say that cuz most aren't. >> He would run home to be with Erica. Yes. If he couldn't Yes. >> If he if Erica was on the road, he'd be. like, "Are we done here?" Okay. uh like. a donor dinner or something. He would, you know, he at after our events at. night, he would do kind of like a little. circuit to all the dinners and he. couldn't wait. He's like, "Okay." And. I'd be like, "I got to talk to you about. one one other thing, Charlie. Hold on. one second. One second." He's like, "Sorry, I'll talk to you about it in the.

morning. I got to see Erica. Bye.". >> I It was just That is the key. >> I love to tell people this because some. sometimes people who didn't watch. Charlie a lot would sometimes just. think, "Oh, he's like a young. influencer." So people would ask me, they'd be like, "Blake, do you ever hang. out with Charlie?" And what I'd always. say is I don't think Charlie has ever. hung out in his entire life. Uh he was. always on his mission or you know he was. with you know he was with his family. It. was 100% all the time. >> That being said some of the best. memories that I have are the plane.

flights across country. >> Yeah. >> Because. >> and that's the only time he can hang. out. >> It was amazing. Trapped in a trapped. And by the way, when and and I think. that gave him the freedom to kind of. just go, "H, I'm hanging out." And. I mean, if you had to add him up, I've. got hundreds of these hours and they are. some of the most amazing cuz he was so. funny and so so curious and so. so he did, but it was like you had to. get him in this this mode where you. literally trapped him on a plane and he.

couldn't get out and he was stuck there. >> But what is that? I mean, most people. sort of fritter away their entire lives. hanging out, and I'm I'm definitely one. of them. I'm like an Arab man in the. souk. I like to sit around. >> hitting the water pipe, playing back. gammon, drinking little cups of coffee, talking about women. Like, I've spent a. lot of my life doing that. That's why I. love Trump so much. He likes that, too. But Charlie had like this mission. So my. theory on that, Tucker, is I think in. order for this whole God plan to work in. Charlie's life, he had to like he had to.

impress in him almost subconsciously, hardwire it, whatever it was, he was. going to maximize the juice, the the the. output. And Charlie disciplined his. body. He didn't put alcohol into his. body. He didn't put drugs into his body. He didn't put anything into his body. that he thought was going to slow him. down or reduce his productivity. He was. obsessed with biohacking. He was like. and and all I thought it was just this. weird quirk because I'm thinking. Charlie, you're going to be alive cuz.

you're younger than me. You're going to. be alive when I'm gone. Like chill out, relax, have some fun. But but somehow he. knew there wasn't a moment to waste. And. I'm finding these things, Ducker, that. he found time to do. Erica's telling me. he somehow found time to journal. obsessively. and she never looked at every single. week. >> Wrote her a weekly note on Saturday. Every every Saturday I he read books. He. skimmed books. He got Blake to read. them. He found ways to get the team to. distill information so he could absorb.

it. And he but he would do walks with. books on tape. He he managed to squeeze. so much life into such a short period of. time. And it's I have to believe it was. God impressing and blessing him with. this divine ability to maximize his. output. I I love that. And I had many. conversations with him on this topic. also about like physical health. I'm a.

pizza guy so Okay. Yeah. Physical. health. I I quit smoking cigarettes at. 45. Like I feel very virtue. >> It turns out you say he didn't want to. put anything in his body that would. hinder him. And it turns out the list of. things that hinder you is all foods. except like cabbage, grilled chicken, hot sauce. >> But that's basically what I mean. He was. the fittest guy, but it was for a. reason. How much time do we have in this. segment left? >> Uh, we're going to welcome back radio in. 3 minutes and 20 seconds. Then we have a. nice 13 minutes. >> Okay. So, I want to um when we get to. the 13, I want to tell the Blake story.

Blake Nef, who's sitting right there, >> story, >> and it's it's just a story that just. explains who he really was. And there's. so much that goes on in Washington and. political world that's so treacherous. and cruel and antihuman. Um, and Charlie. just stood against all of that, not. simply in public, but in private. And I. had a window into one of the amazing. stories of bravery and forgiveness. It's. just an incredible story and it and it's. about you. Again, it makes me emotional. thinking about, but anyway, I don't.

think it's ever really been told. Sorry. to make you emotional. >> It's an amazing story. You know what I. love about this Blake story, too, because I and I I don't want to I'm not. going to ruin the punchline here, but I. would just say I. >> one of the strongest testaments to. Charlie is the fact that this guy's a. tough judge. >> and I know when he. >> Oh, I know. He worked for me. And when. he first started working with us, I. could tell that he was a little unsure. You know, you probably had the. questions. You're back. Charlie spoke.

the language of the people. And you're a. Dartmouth kid. It's a total egg egghe. head nerd, you know, like beautiful mind. kind of person. And but Charlie would. cut through all that and he would speak. right to the people and cut people's. hearts in two and make them choose the. side they were going to go and go on. And that was not the language of Blake. Nef, but we needed a Blake Nef. And I. knew we needed a Blake Nef. And I just. there was this moment where. I forget why but you you took this. moment and I remember being really.

touched by it and you paid Charlie a. tremendous compliment and I knew it was. like a two years after the fact and it. and it was I Charlie texted me like. directly. He goes, "Whoa, did you hear. did you hear Blake?" Like cuz it really. meant the world to him that he had won. he had won your respect and it really. meant the world to him. >> Yeah. South Dakota Germans aren't big on. compliments. But I do think the So you. if you get one from Blake, it's earned. I do think the question that people had. about Charlie, the question I got most. often and people came to me a lot about.

Charlie, like what is this cuz they knew. that I knew him and that I was friends. with him. But really the core question. everyone wanted answered was, "Is this. guy for real? Is this real?". >> Cuz like nothing in our world's real. It's all fake actually. And I hate to. say it, but it's true. A lot of. preachers are very fake. And and I would. always say, "Amazingly, it's 100% real. It's totally real." And I remember. talking to you you about that. I mean, everyone like, "What is this exactly?". And you concluded early. I remember when. you told me, "No, no, it's totally real.

That's incredible." You really have to. have lived in our world for a while to. know how wild that is. Cuz most people. are like, "Yeah, of course it's real.". Not in political world. Is that fair? >> Very fair. Very fair. And he's like the. realest guy to ever live practically. >> I know. >> I know. Oh, it makes me sad. He's gone. I wish I I wish I had said this in. public before he left because um I said. it many times in private. I will say. that to many people. Who is this guy? Is.

this like what is this? And I would. always say, man, if you had dinner with. him, you would know it's real. This is. really the Tucker day. And I I uh I feel. awkward even taking us in and out of. breaks, but Tucker, >> I don't want to do it. >> I don't I'm doing this out of service. for my to my nation and to my friend. Tucker. Um so yeah, the floor is yours. I know where you're going, but. >> Oh, this is a Blake Nef story. Okay, so. this is a story that um obviously I was. in the middle of it and I've talked to a. lot of people just this week about it. I. don't think it's ever been told in. public. I'm going to give the outline.

and then just turn it over to Blake to. correct me or and to fill in the. details. But here's the story. So Blake. worked for me at Fox News uh for years, probably more closely than anybody, like. intimately at Fox. And um and I love. Blake. And Blake is obviously an unusual. person, but just a wonderful person and. a really deeply decent person. >> I mean, it's true. >> And obvious Yeah, Blake's weird, but. like Blake is the best. And people who. love Blake really love Blake. And. there's a little group of people who, you know, we all know each other. We all. talk about Blake. So Blake got caught up.

right at the height of all this. insanity, true insanity called cancel. culture, but it was more than that. It. was like French Revolution stuff. And. someone like, you know, Blake is not. Blake is a racist. Well, actually, as I. always say, Blake is actually not a. racist. And I would admit it. He's not. He's a Christian who believes that God. created everybody. So, he's actually not. a racist. But Fox overreacted, of. course, and he left. And then Fox. denounced him. They tried to get me to. denounce him. Suzanne Scott tried to. make me denounce Blake and I refused.

Something I'm proud of, but whatever. It. was It was just awful. It was the. saddest moment in the 15 years that I. spent there. And then Blake's unemployed. and unemployable. And I get this and I feel terrible and I. feel like I've got a moral obligation to. help Blake. And but who's going to hire. Blake? Because he's like in the New York. Times, he's like a bad person. When. actually he's a great person. Charlie. Kirk calls me. He's like, "I'm thinking. about hiring Blake." I was like, "God. bless you, Charlie. What's he like?" I. said, "Well, Blake's very eccentric. Like, no kidding. He's the only person.

who ever lost weight eating junk food. Like, he's a really unusual person. Like, we talk about Blake all day long, but he's a wonderful person and he's. incredibly talented. No one disputes. that. And I think you should do it." He. does. Charlie and I talk about then. Blake and I talk. We're having these. like conversations behind the scenes. about each other. And not only does. Charlie hire Blake, he puts us makes me. emotional. He puts Blake on the air as. if to say, "I know this man. He is a. good man. You will judge me for doing. this. I'm doing it anyway because it's. the right thing to do. And then of.

course it becomes this whole thing where. Blake is like a true asset to him. But. when he first did it, it was like, "No, I'm doing this because it's the right. thing to do. This is the last thing I'll. say before turning over to Blake. I've. been in this business my whole life.". Nobody does that. Nobody does that. Everyone's like, "Oh, I'm for free. speech or whatever until it hurts me.". At which point, like, "Sorry, pal. Good. luck." But Charlie pivoted against that. in a way that exposed him and his group. Turning Point to ridicule and risk and. he did it anyway. And all week I've been. talking to people about this like that.

was the acid test. Those of us in this. business know how brave that was. Who's. the bravest thing anyway? >> Sorry Blake. I. >> I remember talking to you about that. because I I actually was weighing. another employment option and I was. going you know as you said I was like I. I think you maybe were behind that one. too. >> Yeah. I was I was desperate to. >> another option and I remember just I I. won't say what it was for but we were. talking about it and I think the one. that you really pointed out that was. really important. He's like. >> Blake I think the most important thing.

like. >> Charlie is a for real a sincere. Christian and I think you're going to. want to work for someone who is a for. real sincere deeply believing Christian. >> and you know because then you'll. disagree on a lot of things but you will. align on really important things. Yes. >> And I think that was what carried the. day with me and I'm very glad it did. Um, and you know at at the time as you said. it was like at the time I came in it was. he was just a very different person.

>> Yes. >> And it was over time realizing. all the ways that as you say you have to. really see it. You're like is this for. real? You and I what is is this going to. work? You would also have that where. you're like this can't this can't. possibly work right and it does and it. does because he's so completely intently. sincere and fully allin on it and I. think that's what like amazed young. people like you know when you go to. these campus events and you know I think.

there's a lot of you know you'll see. these people online who are like very. like performatively trad or Christian or. whatever because it like owns the libs. or whatever but Charlie is just No, no. I I like 100% believe in this like. because I believe it is true and because. it is important and I want everyone else. to believe in it because it is true and. I think it is the most important. decision they will ever make. And it. would always shine through in what he. was doing and how he behaved that he. really believed that and well and I mean.

I think and you know this because you. were at some of the campus stops. I was. at some of the campus stops. 90% of the. interactions as he got older, right? the. the the the brand of Charlie was almost. cemented, you know, in 2018 where he was. much younger and he was like a peer to. the kids on college and he would say. Charlie Kirk destroys the libs or. whatever. >> And that was just titling. It wasn't. actually in Charlie's heart. But the. Charlie, by the way, didn't determine. the titles, you know, like people behind.

the scenes destroy anything. No, behind. the scenes that's, you know, that's a. social media team that's doing the. titling. That wasn't Charlie picking the. title, you know. Anyways, but the point. is as he got older, he transitioned to a. much more big brother and and people. started observing like this incredible. herculean patience that he would exhibit. on these in these interactions with. sometimes bad faith people, but. sometimes people that just had bad. ideas. And 90% if you went and sat there.

and watched the entire 3-hour prove me. wrong, 90% of it is him being kind and. gentle and thoughtprovoking and working. through whatever was the lie that was. stuck in this kid's head or sometimes. professors, but he would work with them. through it and use the Socratic method. to draw out the truth. And it was a. beautiful thing. And you know, he. doesn't get nearly enough credit for. that because the Charlie destroys the. libs clip goes mega viral, right? I I I.

couldn't agree with you more. I have to. say when you when all that happened to. you, it was I just cannot say how pain I. Well, you know, cuz we've talked about. many times, but that was like one of the. most painful things that's ever happened. to me in my life. Uh because, you know, we have such a tight staff and um and. the same staff like I don't have new. people working for me really ever and I. don't I don't care to. So, um, that was. really, really painful. >> Oh, go ahead. >> And I just wanted you to have health. insurance. My expectations for you were so low.

because you had been so mistreated and. maligned and slandered and it's just so. hard to come back from that. The fact. that he put you on the air is so. >> possibly a mistake. >> It was not a mistake, but it was that is. so wild. So I I have an insight into. that piece of the story because I was. aware of this other job opportunity and. I see it now all as like God's plan and. I was working on kind of a panel show. idea but I I didn't have the it was just. like a nugget of an idea was back in my.

head and and I remember kind of just. intuiting that in order to like restore. this man that had been so wronged by. Oliver Darcy or whatever and CNN these. scumbags. I thought, you know, >> forgive Oliver Darcy. Thank you for. reminding me. As we forgive those who. trespass against us, he needs to be my. daily rotation. So, but you know, and by. the way, I I saw I ended up in that. moment in that when we were talking with. Blake at the beginning. I looked back at.

your monologue from that night. Maybe it. wasn't your monologue. It was the finish. and final segment, but you said I you. you really were defiant and it was. beautifully done because you were back. at you you they they you were part of. something and only had so much control. in at that moment. Right. And so. >> they were bullying me. Suzanne Scott got. I was in the parking lot of a place in I. was in Bosezeman, Montana fishing and. she called me and I went outside to do. my pre-show bathroom break. Always. outside if I can do it. And she called. me and she said, "You need to say what. he said was wrong." And I said, "I'm not.

doing that period. and you can fire me. and the show's live in 10 minutes. I'm. not doing that." And she goes, "Well, I. guess I can't make you." And she until. the day she fired me, she never really. talked to me after that. >> Yeah. I And I I'm not trying to get into. any of that, but I do believe that. >> Oh, I want to get into it. It was. horrible what they did to him. >> I I'm just saying I will I don't know. where to go with. I will say, Tucker, this is awkward for me. If you. >> Sorry, sorry, sorry. No, sorry. Sorry. Sorry. No, I would just say that I think. this moment has profoundly changed all.

of us, including people like Suzanne. And uh I just want to say briefly, for. what it's worth, she's been exceedingly. wonderful. And we all changed and I've. done crappy things, a lot of crappy. things in my life, so I shouldn't be. judgy. >> But but to your point, you your hands. were tied in that moment. And you you. defiantly said, I remember you said, I. just want everybody to know that you are. gloating over a young man's life being. ruined. And shame on you. You basically. you you I I I'll never forget that. And. I remember thinking, "Okay, like if.

Tucker's got his back in this moment, this guy's pretty great. He's the best.". >> Yeah. And he's been the best. And I love. having. >> They came out of nowhere, man. I'll. never forget that. I'll never forget. that as long as I live. But anyway, the. point is whatever. And I shouldn't even. brought. >> Well, we put him on air. >> Exactly. >> And and by the way, and now look at. this. This show is going on. Erica Kirk. has demanded that the show goes on and. we're going to figure out the details. and Blake is going to be critical to. that. And if we hadn't have created this. this roster, this thought crime crew. that we do on Thursdays, I don't know.

what we would do. But it takes the. bravery of an individual to get there. So like everything is fine now and Blake. can do whatever he wants and people know. who he is because they get to see him. and they can make their own judgments. about him. But when Charlie made that. decision and he's the one who would have. been blamed if it had gone wrong, people. didn't know who Blake was apart from. what they read in the New York Times. Slander devised by CNN and Oliver Darcy. That's a fact. and and not helped by a. lot of other people who I shouldn't be. attacking, right? Sorry about that. But. he's the one who allowed Blake's life to.

continue. And I just I felt it so strong. cuz I've been I that's my world. Like I. know what that is. Almost people are. like, "Well, you know, you can't put him. on air. Like he did bad things. I heard. that." And it's and Charlie was like he. was willing to stand up to them and say, "No, that's not true." Like most people. are not going to do that. No one will do. that. And um. >> well, and I remember the nasty articles. we there was a few. >> and Charlie would just write back, "lol.". >> So that's courage. In case you're.

wondering what courage is, that's actual. courage. And you know that it is because. it's so rare. Nobody does that. If if. people do that, who are they? I I live. in this world. Like I know every single. person hosting every single show and. they don't do that. And he did that. And. so that's what actual courage is. Courage is standing up for what is true. in the service of other people, in the. service of showing love to other human. beings. That's the commission that we. get from Jesus. Period. And he actually. did that at great risk to himself. And.

um anyway, just I've had like 50 text. exchanges about the song we give up. Anyway, bless you Blake for being at the. center of that. Thanks for standing with. us. >> Thank you. Thank you very much. genuinely. Can I say something that you. told me that the night of that blew my. mind and it. >> Go for it. Go for it. >> So, we're bringing Blake to the brink. here. We were we were in Provo the night. of. >> and it was like we were all shell. shocked and Blake was there with them.

when it happened and. we filter in late at night into this. little like corner of the restaurant, the hotel in Salt Lake City. and. we I don't know how it came up but Blake. says the most I will never forget it. He. said, "Charlie gave me my life back.". >> Yep. >> And I. I knew exactly what he meant, and now I. think the audience does, too.

>> Amen. >> Our dear friend seat remains open with. the golden EIB microphone in front of. it, his hero Rush. Uh, it's pretty. amazing. And, uh, so Tucker, I This is. This is the Tucker show for Charlie. And. so I think it's important that I get to. ask you a question. >> Okay. >> When did you meet Charlie and tell us. about how your relationship with Charlie. grew cuz I think it's fascinating. >> So I met Charlie when he was a teenager. He was um connected to funded by a close.

friend of ours called Foster Freeze. He. was a wonderful man from uh Wilmington, Delaware. Well, really from Wisconsin, but lived in Wilmington then Jackson, Wyoming. um and was an investor in a. company that we had and more important. like an actual friend really the only. investor I've ever had in anything and. um and a very enthusiastic Christian man. and the kind of person who was just a. collector of people you know I met this. person was so enthusiastic and almost. everybody around him was just wonderful.

but because he was so rich and so. generous he did collect there were. phonies in the orbit because there. always are when someone's rich right and. so he tells me at dinner about this kid. he's met. He's only 18. He's not going. to college. I've always been opposed to. college my whole life. I try to convince. all my kids not to go. I mean, I really. meant it. And so he's like, "You would. love this guy. He's not going to. college." And I was like, "Man, I love. that because I really am opposed and I. mean it." And um I'm like, "He sounds. great." And he's like D. And I'm. thinking, "Oh man, some fasttalking kid.

has config was like throwing back Reagan. quotes or something at poor Foster, you. know, who's in his 70s and like late60s. and he doesn't know." And I really. thought assumed that Charlie was just. some predator. And I didn't like it at. all. And of course, there's the bias. against young people. I mean, Charlie's. literally the age of one of my children. So like. uh and I felt he's probably just totally. conventional telling old people what. they want to hear, sucking up to the. donors, whatever. So I meet him. I.

thought he was smart as hell. But I was. very skeptical. Then I have this uh he calls me. Would. you do an event? Sure. I was going to be. in the state anyway, so I do it. And we. have this kind of sort of debate. Not. really a debate. Well, what actually. happened was I was going to give a. speech and I got there and we were. backstage. She's like, "Well, actually, let's just do a Q&A." And I was like, "I. don't know, son. I don't think you want. to do that with me cuz I'm kind of a. jerk." Uh, you know, which I am in those.

settings, right? So, he's like, "No, no, I want to. We We can It's okay to have a. debate." I was like, "I don't know, man. Like, I disagree with your views on. economics and foreign policy, and I'm. pretty hot on these topics, so I'm just. letting you know that." Oh, no problem. at all. So, we end up having this kind. of intense thing and I'm like. passionately opposed to marijuana and. drugs. I'm just having used a lot of. drugs as a child. Like I'm very opposed. to drugs. Charlie never used any drugs. in his whole life. And he was at the. time he was kind of libertarian on the. subject. And I remember saying,

"Everyone in the crowd is for weed. Like. you think you're so cool, but actually. it's a control device designed to make. you passive and accepting of this system. that's destroying you.". And people kind of booed me or whatever, but Charlie looked at me like, I think. that may be right. And that it was that. issue. It was weed of all issues. You. know, it's not my top issue, but I do. feel it really strongly. I hate. marijuana. Okay. And I know it's really. cool, but no, it's like fully corporate. actually. And it's wrecking Americans,

especially boys. It's wrecking the. parking lot of the grocery store nearby. It makes me feel like getting my gun. Like I really feel that way about it. Sorry, I shouldn't say that, but I. really am mad about it. And Charlie. grooved with that. And that moment set. off this like conversation. So I was. back, I was in Arizona for something. He's like, "Let's go to lunch. Let's go. to dinner." And we started having all. these really intense conversations. Started putting him on Fox. And his. views were changing. And mine were too, by the way. It's not like I converted. him. It's like I had been all kinds of. embarrassing things during the scope of.

my long life. A libertarian, a. self-described neocon. Can you imagine? I mean, I I'll admit it. I like got mad. at Alex Jones for asking questions about. 9/11. What? Like I was like a horrible. person or a very close-minded person. I. was totally wrong about everything. And. so I didn't judge. Like you should. change your mind as the evidence. changes. The things you thought were. going to work didn't. An honest man. asked himself why they didn't work and. what might work. Like that's the process. of adulthood. And Charlie, young people.

are very inflexible about what they. believe. I have found in and I I have a. lot of young people. I have a lot of. children. He was one of the only young people I've. ever met who was like, "Oh, yeah. I. think I was wrong." And only belief in. Jesus allows you to say that because you. know that you're not judged. You know. that honesty is the ticket and that if. you pursue an honest path, you'll be. okay. And you don't need the agilation. from the crowd. You don't need the love. of strangers to feel good about yourself. because you know that you are loved. It.

gives you true freedom. And he had that. Charlie had no problem at all getting up. and being like, I was a neocon. And of. course with me he didn't because he knew. that I was too. I'm like cheering on the. Iraq war, which I did. Like I literally. did that. And I'm ashamed of it. But I'm. also proud to admit it because I think. that it's important to let people know. that you can admit being wrong. It's. okay. It's all right. We're people. We're not gods. You can be wrong. I want. you to know, Tucker, that that must have. gone deep because Blake can attest of.

all the fringe issues that he knew, he. was on the unpopular side. He was very. very vehemently against weed. >> No way. >> Oh, he went hard on it. >> Yes. >> I just I I think it you really got at it. where, you know, one, he was totally. unafraid of being in a huge minority on. an issue and being frank about it. you. know, people would ask and he'd he'd be. like they'd ask him about like abortion. and he'd be like, "Look, you know, my. position on that is a tiny minority in. the United States and I'm going to keep.

trying anyway." And he'd say that on, you know, gay marriage where the polls. would say, you know, a big majority. support it and all of that. Um, and at. the same time, yeah, the zero uh like. shame about if he had to change his. views. You see that so often with. politicians. Well, actually, that was a. different situation. You know, I voted. that way because, you know, it wasn't. like that. and he'll just be like, "Oh, no. I was wrong. I, you know, I hadn't. thought about this.". >> But you can't be controlled if you will. So, this is how the media control. politicians. They find some clip if the. politicians saying something different.

10 years ago. It's like, "Well, it was a. different country 10 years ago." He. would do that. We would see these clips, you know, these really like they'd be. like, "Look at here's Charlie defending, you know, this issue." And and I would. be like, "Ah, Charlie, they dug up that. old clip." And he goes, "Oh, yeah. I was. a that was that was back when I was a. cuck.". >> Oh, 100%. And you know, >> but there's no shame in that. And and. Charlie's example of admitting the truth. about himself in public is the most. edifying and important thing you can. ever do because it shows people you can.

take the leash off and you can live in. freedom because you know you're loved. You can tell the truth. We're all going. to die anyway. Is that this is the. deepest truth. And your job is to be. honest and to be loving to other people. Okay? That's your job. Only belief in. God allows that. And once you do it, it's like it's not only fine, it's. great. It's actual liberation. >> You said that. I remember at the first. Amfest when you came back. So you had. the debate.

>> and then you came back, >> the unplanned debate. >> Oh, I remember feeling so honored that. you came back. It was our first Afest. and we really needed like somebody of. your caliber and your your I'm going to. say it. you your fame, your your your. the weight that you held in the movement. especially. I mean, it it was an honor. to us to have you there. And you came. out the first came out the first night. and you and you just said, "Let me say a. few words about Charlie. >> He's willing to change his mind. He's. willing to adapt." And and and I knew.

that was your subtle nod to people who. might have judged you. Maybe you weren't. even thinking that, but it it felt like. it was at least saying like, "Listen, I. know some of you think Charlie's a. certain way. Let me tell you, from that. 2017 or whatever 18 debate to now it was. I think it was 2021. Like a couple years. had gone by since we'd had you back and. and then we you know you've been back. ever since. But it was it's it's so. important. I just can't say it enough to. be honest about yourself. It's very easy. to be honest about everybody else. Oh,

you're fat. I don't like your dress. Like that's super easy. It's very hard. to be honest about yourself. Like I'm. fat. I'm wearing an ugly dress. It's. like no one wants to admit that, but. once you do you the feathers are off and. you are so free and Charlie just live. that I feel like that's almost one of. the most important things is to admit. the truth about yourself and then no one. can control you. What can you say about. me that I won't readily concede about. myself? Like nothing. And then what are.

you going to do to me? You know, nothing. Ah, it's it's amazing. I read. that poem a week ago about Charlie. And. I always think about that other one. You. know, it's a much more famous one, If by. Ruddard Kipling. >> Yes. >> And. it really does just perfectly describe. Charlie. >> Uh, you know, if you can, you know, speak with kings but not lose the common. touch. If you, and the really one, the. the one that ends the poem, which you. don't hear quoted as much, if you can. fill the unforgiving minute with 60.

seconds distance runner or something. like that. I might be getting that. wrong. like uh but he he really did. encapsulate all like everything of of. that poem about what it is to to be a. true man to be a true adult to be a. heroic figure. >> Uh I don't. >> Yeah. You want me to read it? >> Yeah. Go for it. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Uh if you can keep your head when all. about you are losing theirs and blaming. it on you. Yeah. >> If you can trust yourselves when all men.

doubt you. exactly. >> yourself. But but make allowances for. their doubting too. If you can wait and. not be tired by waiting or being lied. about, don't deal in lies. Or being. hated, don't give way to hating. And yet. don't look too good nor talk too wise. If you can dream and not make dreams. your master. If you can think and not. make thoughts your aim. If you can meet.

with triumph and disaster and treat. those two impostors just the same. >> Exactly. If you can bear to hear the. truth you've spoken twisted by naves to. make a trap for fools or watch the. things you gave your life to broken and. to stoop and build them up with worn out. tools. If you can make one heap of all your. winnings and risk it on one turn of. pitch and toss and lose and start again. at your beginnings and never breathe a.

word about your loss. If you can force. your heart and nerve and senue to serve. your long your turn long after you are. gone and so hold on when there is. nothing in you except the will which. says to them hold on. If you can talk with crowds and keep. your virtue, or walk with kings nor lose. the common touch. If neither foes nor. loving friends can hurt you, if all men.

count with you, but none too much. If you can fill the unforgiving minute. with 60 seconds worth of distance run, yours is the earth and everything that's. in it. And which is more, you'll be a. man, my son. It's incredible and and the. line that jumps out to me which is the. truest and everyone I think understands. it at some point if you can treat. triumph and disasters those two. imposters the same they are imposters. actually because you know I'm not trying.

to leech the meaning from the human. experience it is meaningful but it's not. it's it's not the real point actually. and there is a sense in which this is. >> it it just stands out to me how many of. those things we just heard in the past. hour being lied about Don't deal. That's. that's the one thing that I kept. thinking about. If you can wait and not. be tired. No. Or or being lied about. Don't deal in lies or being hated. Don't. give way to hating. And you know. >> how is the real trap. Winning is the. trap. That that's where men destroy.

themselves. That's what that was. He and. I talked about that recently all the. time. >> Well, yeah. >> Winning is when you decide that you're. God. That's the David moment for most. men. surviving triumph is is the real trick. and so few can do it and he could. >> I think. >> it's a beautiful Thank you for bringing. that actually Blake has brought two. poems uh to us this week that um. >> I am the egghhead. >> we have uh I mean that one about from.

world war world war what was the name of. that poem. >> uh for the fallen. >> for the fallen. >> lake can read poetry in a very. heterosexual way which is. >> are you saying that I just did it in a. non. >> no no no no no that was so straight it. was unbelievable. I'm just saying you. don't meet a lot of guys who are like I. want to share some poetry with you. >> I've never I've never been accused I. have a unblenmished record of. heterosexuality. And you know it's funny I'm stealing. that line from Charlie Kirk. >> He would always say I have an. unblenmished record of heterosexuality. I'm Andrew Kulvit, the executive. producer of this show. I'm joined by.

Blake Nef, another producer on the show. And of course the wonderful, the great, the legendary. And Tucker, you don't get. enough credit for something. I I I. should have finished it. The Tucker. Carlson. But you don't get enough credit. for something. I just want people to. understand that Tucker I mean I've seen. you backstage I don't know more times. than I can count now. And you are the. exact same with the guy who's taking out. the trash as our PAs and our assistants. and the people in between as you are.

with Charlie or me or Blake. You are the. exact same human. And I I really want. everybody to know that about you because. you wouldn't say it about yourself. you. treat everybody like you. I can't tell. you how many times I that has occurred. to me because you'll be I'll be needing. to drag you somewhere where we need you. to go, but you're deep into a. conversation in the corner with you know. the the the assistant that like I don't. even know know that I necessarily knew. the name of the because we have so many. employees right and you would just be. like engrossed in this deep conversation.

and I would feel bad you know oh we got. to grab Tucker he's got to go on stage. in like five minutes or something and I. love that about you man and I just want. the world to know that. >> Well thank you. No, I mean I love people. and I you know God created everyone. But. it's also true that I grew up in rich. people world back when it was an. egalitarian world. It's one of the main. changes in my country in my lifetime is. that rich people are not egalitarian. anymore. But I grew up you know in an. affluent family around rich people and. you know the housekeeper comes to. Thanksgiving dinner. Period. Period. And.

that's a wasp thing. I'm just going to. say it out loud. That's a wasp thing and. that's gone. But we felt that very very. strongly. And um I just think that's. right. And. >> it's not gone cuz we still believe it. and you still believe it. >> I really believe it. I really believe. I'll just say one thing. Everyone hates. the Wasps and I beat up on them. constantly, but in the club that I spent. my life at, I don't even know if they're. clubs anymore, but the only thing you. could do to get booted from the club was. to be rude to the staff. Period. You. could be drunk. They're always drunk, of. course. Um you could be, you know,

whatever. You could say anything. But if. you were rude to a waiter, you were. gone. I mean, they wouldn't even have to. be hearing about it because so deep was. the was the culture on that question. It's that you we are all underneath it. all the same. We were all created by. God. We have different aptitudes or. language and we're very different in a. lot of ways, but fundamentally we're all. going to stand alone before God. And. that was the idea that spawned the. Democratic Republic that we grew up in. anyway. That that's the that's the core. idea of America that is never.

articulated anymore. We didn't have. fasttrack at Disney World when I was. growing up. And I still feel that way. and I'm married to a chick who really. feels that way. I mean, really feels. You get married in my family and you. know, the guy who cuts her grass is. coming to your wedding whether you like. it or not. Like that's that's the rule. in my house. >> I love that. >> I'm not saying that to make myself sound. virtuous. It's just like that is. something that we have lost. >> and we have to fight to regain that. And. all these like little fake aristocrats. flying around in their planes. It's one. of the reasons I really am upset with. them is because they've forgotten that.

specific thing. >> Charlie wanted better elites and uh. >> Yes. >> And uh and. >> I Yeah, I mean you you model it and it's. not gone because we're talking about it. right now and maybe we can bring it. back. Um, in the spirit of actually. doing a show, we have a. one of my obsession. >> I have this great clip that I I can't. wait to share with everybody, but uh. we're going to bring in Frank Turk who. um cross talk. He was with Charlie on.

the day Charlie um he would go to Frank. with ideas of apologetics and how to. argue for the faith and contend for the. faith in the public square. So Frank, welcome to the Charlie Kirk show with uh. Tucker Carlson, the great Tucker Carlson. with us. >> Hey Charlie. >> Hey. I just want to piggyback on. something Tucker just said. The only. world view that agrees with what Tucker. just said is Christianity. You know, in. in Hinduism, there's a cast system. In. Islam, if you're not a Muslim, you're a.

secondass citizen. In the secular world, there's no way to ground uh these moral. values and the moral worth that every. individual has. The only world view that. does that is Christianity. And that was. the world view that Charlie and. everybody here at this table right now. wants to demonstrate is true and try and. persuade young people to follow. >> I love that you said that. I I think.

that that is indisputably true. I think. it's provable. I mean, you know, the. founding documents still exist. We we. know what the people who wrote them were. thinking and they were informed by a. culture that is a product of Christian. civilization. Period. Western. civilization is Christian civilization. And there I I'm not against other. religions, by the way. I don't follow. them, but I'm not mad at them. I'm just. going to want to say that. I'm not I. know a lot of great people who are of. different faiths. But Christianity is. unique in that it's true. And it's. unique in that it believes that every.

person is at least potentially chosen by. God. Every person. And and and the whole. New Testament is that story, by the way. And and so Christians feel that deeply. The cultures that they create reflect. it. And I grieve its passing. And I pray. for its return to our country. >> Well, ironically, Tucker, Charlie's. martyrdom might be the turning point to. bring it back. I don't know. Well, you.

do know because you're seeing what's. going on at TPUSA right now. >> Yes. >> How many people want to start TPUSA. chapters? What's What are we up to now, Andrew? Is it 62,000? Something like. that? >> Yeah, it's I mean, it's growing by the. minute. So, it's probably, let's just. say approximately 65,000. >> Whoa. >> It's We had We had 2,000 before that. I. mean, I'm I'm I'm seeing people online. on on some YouTube videos that have to. do with Charlie. Some of my own YouTube. videos, they're all over the world.

There's people in Denmark going, you. know, I was an atheist and because of. Charlie Kirk, I'm a Christian now. Australia, same thing. London, same. thing. This isn't just in America. This. is happening all over the world. And so. I want to commend every one of you for. uh advancing the cause that Charlie so. uh was so near and dear to Charlie's. heart in a time of mourning. It's got to.

be so difficult Andrew and Blake. especially to uh to continue on. But. Charlie would want it and that's why. we're all here right now. >> Well, and Frank, I you know, bless you. I know you've had to deal with the. conspiracy theories and the you know. why' you touch your hat at this time. because you know that wretched video. I. mean, but bless you, brother. I just. want to be uh I just want to be a. character reference for you. And uh.

Charlie loved you so much. You were. always there for Charlie and I know how. much he leaned on you for apologetics. and for thinking through these deep. issues. you know, around the when he was. on Bill Maher recently and you know, you. you've meant so much to him and your. work at Cross-examine like you are a. dear brother and a dear friend and some. of that garbage like I don't even paid. any heed but I know you uh have you were. there the day that it happened and I. know this has been terrible for you too. and you've had to deal with all this.

garbage but um you know God bless you. and I'm sorry that that has been. something in your experience. >> Thanks brother. I mean, that's. that actually hasn't bothered me all. that much to tell you the truth. I just. think it's so colossally stupid that if. somebody wanted to shoot somebody, they'd need a guy standing 25 ft from. him to signal, hey, get him. He's the. guy. I mean, he's it makes absolutely no. sense at all. So, uh it was just a.

terrible day, but we all did the best we. could to try and help and save Charlie. And then once we couldn't, all we could. do was take Erica's lead and your lead, Andrew, and Mikey's lead, because you. were all there to march forward and and. take his legacy to new levels. And Lord. willing, that's what's going to happen. >> Well, Frank, you're going to be a key. part of that. And um you know, I I joke. with Erica. I'm like, Erica, he left us.

all the the keys. He had all the people. that we needed, all the all the. reference points, all the all the true. allies, not the snakes, not the not the. the grifters, the true people. And you. are a true man and you have great. character and you have great heart and. you've been a great friend to Charlie. and to us. So, >> you know, thank you, brother. As you can. say it a thousand times over. >> Thank you. But, um, let's just do. whatever we can to to advance this. legacy now. and that you mentioned it.

Erica and I me and Tucker were just talk. we want to we want to talk about Erica a. little bit here and so we have to go to. a radio break but we're going to keep. we're going to keep going for the stream. and um so. >> hang right there with us the great. Tucker Carlson Charlie's dear dear. friend is with us and we're so honored. >> you know there've been reference I know. that a lot of the stuff going on online. I've checked out actually just want to. say that because it's too upsetting to. me I know it's extremely upsetting for. you guys since you're way more in the. middle of it than I am Um, but I.

obviously you need a a fair, impartial, wellex explained investigation that. assures everyone the rule of law lives. in the United States. I think it's. essential and I hope that we get it. I. think we're going to have to push for. it. We should push for it. But as to. what happened, again, totally fair in my. view to to ask sincere questions. But I. think it's important to remember the big. picture, which is whatever happened, it. was a species of the same phenomenon, which was the fight of evil against. good. and his murder was an attempt to.

extinguish the light. Period. And it it. didn't work. Like that's the main thing. to know. There are lots of things I I. want to know. And again, we have a civil. system that has to go through a process. in order for this government to continue. or any government. It has to be. transparent and motivated by good faith. and it has to try to affect justice. That's a key and I I I don't think we. should blow past it. However, again, big. picture, this is light versus dark and. you feel the darkness all around us. It. comes in many different forms and many.

different guises. These are these are. disguises. Okay. But what it really is. is the age-old, you know, it's the it's. the Lord of the earth. It's it's Satan. Sorry to say that. It is. Deliver us. from the evil one, I think, is the. actual translation in the Lord's Prayer. And the evil one is all around us. >> But Charlie's murder is a reminder that. we are surrounded by God and God's. protection and God's love. And that is. so obvious. The light has not only not. been extinguished, it's glowing. brighter. I I hate like dumb metaphors.

like that, except this one is totally. real. And so we should or I speak for. myself. I'm going to focus on that. I'm. going to focus on the big picture while. demanding a precise accounting that is. legitimate. But I'm not going to get so. caught up in that stuff that I miss the. true message, which is for forces of. darkness tried to extinguish the light. and not only did they fail, their effort. was counterproductive. That is the.

truth, >> Frank. That was I was just sorry I got I. was in sort of wrapped by what you were. saying. >> Sorry, I felt that. I felt it coming up. I couldn't keep it down. >> It was beautiful. I was looking for. somebody else to respond here quickly. >> Let me let me mention something related. to that. You know, our mutual friend. James Lindseay uh had a a text exchange. with Charlie. In fact, he sent it to me. the other night because I was speaking. at a university here in North Carolina.

on one Wednesday night about Charlie. And I related this story and let me just. let me just read you what James sent to. uh Charlie and what Charlie sent back. Very astute response by Charlie. James. said, this is August 24th, 2023, communism is by far the best evidence in. support of Satan's existence. Charlie. writes back 100%. And then the next text. he writes back, if there is a Satan, then there is a God. And James writes.

back that would follow. So evil actually shows that God does. exist, not that he doesn't. Because. there'd be no such thing as evil unless. there was good. And there'd be no such. thing as good unless God existed. Because in any objective sense, the only. way you can define good is God's nature. Otherwise, everything's a matter of. opinion. You couldn't say murder was. really objectively wrong unless there's. a standard of objectively right that. we're all obligated to obey. And what we. mean by that is God's nature. And as. Tucker pointed out earlier, our founders.

understood that we hold these truths to. be self-evident that all men were. created and endowed by their government. No, it doesn't say that. Endowed by. their creator with certain unalienable. rights. So if evil exists, and it all, we all know it does, we saw it eight. days ago, then God exists. >> Well, and that is honestly the way that. a lot of us were convinced of the. reality of God was by being forced to. acknowledge the reality of evil. I can. say that for myself. My wife, who's like.

the p the person who keeps our family. text chain grounded in the truth, sent a. verse this morning that basically said. that exact thing. And there are a number. of them throughout both old and new. testaments as you know better than I, but that say that God will use evil for. his purposes and that he will reveal. himself through through through sadness. as well as joy. And that is practically. true. It's not even a theoretical. concept. It's a living concept for those. of us who concluded just on the basis of. the evidence that these were not. political differences. Actually, these.

were not political phenomenon. These. were a bunch of different things. I. won't get specific, but you know what. I'm talking about. This is the face of. evil. And that brought us to the reality. of God. It's like wild that actually. happened. It happened to me. I want. everybody to know, and I know Blake, you've been contemplating this too, but Charlie was willing to give. the very last measure of his effort and. his life. He really was. And he said it. multiple times. And I think the first.

time he said it on stage, he, you know, it wasn't something that was planned. It. came out of him naturally. And Erica. heard it and Erica was like. you be careful when you say that please. you know. >> and. that's really powerful but he said it. again and again he said it on a Lance. Wallnau show I remember one time saying. like. you know I I mean and he was very aware. of the story of Stephen. He was very.

well aware of the of the prophets and he. was very well aware that people were. want that wanted to hurt him and. it it never stopped him and I think we. need to remember that when we when we. think about evil and we think about. because death where is your victory oh. death where is your sting. >> it's the last thing that you know it's. like you said it it they tried they. meant it for evil but the Lord is taking.

and he's turning it to good and for the. saving of many lives. And I always was. caught by that wording in the. scriptures, the saving of many lives. Obviously, he's talking about the. Israelites. in that instance. But it as we. contemplate it for our own moment, the. saving of many lives and I think about. all these baptisms and all these reports. of the churches being overflowing and. across the country and these we didn't. riot, Tucker. We didn't burn businesses. We didn't tear down. >> windows and doors. We we prayed.

>> and that is the biggest most amazing. testament to the character of Charlie. Ker. >> Well, and but it's the also the nature. of or has been my experience anyway. I'm. not a theologian but I just will say. that the I've had many moments. especially in the last 10 years where. boy you can feel it around you like for. real. You can feel the menace. You can. feel the hate. You can feel the threat. Comes out of nowhere. I've had a couple. pretty intense experiences with it. Very. intense. and they are followed. invariably by the peace of God, by the. Holy Spirit. And you know that God is.

using this moment for your benefit, your. edification, and your joy. That is true. That out of tragedy, I and it's such a. cliche and it's such a kind of syrupy. hallmark false assurance on the surface. that I hesitate even to say it, but I've. just lived it so much. I've lived it so. much. That is absolutely how God has. communicated with me in my life like. directly is by contrasting his presence. with the evil that you feel around you. And so it is in a weird way in the.

middle of tragedy like a true blessing. And if you see a loved one, you know, we. all go through this as we age. I've been. through it a lot recently where someone. you really really love dies and then. you're just filled with this sense of. the presence of God that's absolutely. real. It's not you're not manufacturing. it. It's it's not like a immune response. or something. It's like a presence from. outside coming into you and um and I. think the whole country feels it or the. people who are alive to it feel it now. strongly in. >> in fact the greatest evil of all time.

the sacrifice of Jesus has led to the. greatest good. >> Yes. >> Without the sacrifice of Jesus we'd all. be dead in our sins. But Christ was. sacrificed so that our punishment could. be put on him. And when we trust in him, we're not only forgiven, but we're given. his righteousness. You know, there's a. misunderstanding among some. They think. in order to get to heaven, I got to be. good. No, no, no, no. There's nobody. good enough. Jesus said there's nobody. good but one, and that was him.

>> In order to get to heaven, you need to. take his sacrifice and apply it to. yourself. You need to take the. punishment that went on him. and you you trust in him to get that. forgiveness because your punishment was. put on him. And then by trusting in him, you're not only forgiven, you're given. his righteousness. So good works are a. result of Christianity. They're not the. cause of Christianity. The cause of. Christianity in someone's life is to. trust in what Christ has done. And out.

of love for what Christ has done, then. you'll do good works. By the way, I'm. I'm really I'm really struck by a quote. from Peter Craft who said this about. what evil can do in our lives to help us. become more like Christ. He said this. He said, "The point of our lives is not. comfort, security, or even happiness, but training. Not fulfillment, but. preparation. This world is a lousy home, but it's a fine gymnasium.".

Well, well, Frank, um, I just want to. say again, I know you've got to catch a. flight here, so God bless you, my. friend. Thank you for joining us. Thank. you for being such a rock in Charlie's. life. Uh, I I'll say it. You don't have. to give them any heat. I'm sorry about. the conspiracy theories specifically. around you and some of my other friends. that were around the table. Um, they are. utter garbage and we stand by you 100%, my friend. And uh just thank you for. being just an amazing guy and you meant. so much to Charlie and and we'll see you.

in a few days. >> Thank you brother. >> Thank you Tucker. Thank you Blake. Thanks Frank. >> God bless you guys. >> So Charlie was very well aware of the. existence of evil. Obviously so were us. on his team. You know there's a by the. way just one other conspiracy theory I. just want to snuff out here. one of our. dear friends that literally from the. very beginning started with us and loved. Charlie like a brother. He grabbed the. SD cards out of the camera afterwards.

and there's all these conspiracy videos. about why did he grab the SD cards? Well, first of all, they're in the. possession of the FBI, okay? It's not. like he took them and like ran off with. them. Second of all, I asked him. personally. I said, "Why did you do. that?" And he looked at me and this was. his answer. He said, "Because I know. people can be evil.". And he did not want that footage being. grabbed by somebody. There was videos of. people after the incident going and. stealing hats off the table. I mean, so.

I'm so grateful he did that and that. that was his instinct. He's like, I'm. depressed to know that that was why I. did that, but I knew that I had to. protect that footage because I know I. wanted I mean, you know, you're. recording in like 4K, you know, and so. I'm so glad he did that. But Charlie. knew the existence of evil. And so. >> can I say I think that people can feel. the existence of evil and that just to. put in a sympathetic word for people who. are trying to make sense of this and. coming to the wrong conclusions. I think. they're motivated for the most part by.

pure intent. I think they don't trust. the authorities. They have every reason. to feel that way. I know that for a. fact. Not the Trump administration in. general. Like. >> yeah, >> we're not, you know, there's been a lot. of lying and it's corroded the trust. That's not their fault. Actually, they're the victims of it. >> Good point. saying that. >> um they're of course bad actors who were. doing it for clicks or whatever, but I I. guess but there are far more people who. love Charlie. They loved what he stood. for. They feel like he was murdered by. evil. They're absolutely right. They're.

not sure what variety of evil. There's. no authoritative person to tell them. So, I guess I'm just not surprised at. all. This is a message I've told to a. lot of people. This is what happens when you lie too. much and you hide too much. And going. forward, I just want everybody with. power to be honest in the way that. Charlie was honest about themselves. That will do more than anything to fix. this to make people love each other and. hear each other. And if people are. honest, it we got here because of lying.

And the only antidote is truth. And so a. truth about yourself, not about other. people. Stop talking about other people. Admit who you are. And once you do that, people can feel that and they. immediately, as they do with Charlie, they respond to it. They're like, "I. believe you because you're honest about. you." Anyway, I want that. >> Yeah. I a buddy of mine just said. something that I I think is really. profound. He said, "Two people, and I. believe this about you, too, Tucker, which is why you're so important, but.

two people can say the same could say. the same thing. two just as imagine. Charlie Kirk 30 million followers across. social media and somebody else also very. prominent. >> Yes. >> And they would say the same thing but. when Charlie said it it would echo and. ripple across the world. Yeah. Because. we're all like we're all animals by the. way. And so so much of what we know we. receive non-verbbally. We can smell each. other. We can feel the vibe. I don't. care if that sounds flaky. It's true. My. dogs can do it and so can you. And if a.

deceptive man is speaking, I don't. believe what he says. Even if it's. factually accurate. And if an honest man. is speaking, I know it. I can feel it. That's why everyone loves Blake. Despite. his eccentricity, you're honest. He's. not He is honest. He's not a liar. And. Charlie was the same. And we just know. that. >> You can't dissuade me of that. I know. that's true. >> Let's go ahead and play cut 20. This is. Charlie talking about the existence of. evil revealing God's presence. As Christians, ethical monotheists, we. have the problem of evil. Atheists have.

evil, no problem. On the atheist side, they can't say that evil actually exists. because without God, if God does not. exist, then we are nothing more than. just a clump of cells. And there is no. such thing as evil. You only know. something is evil if you have good to. compare it to. If I have a piece of. paper and I draw a crooked line, how do. you know this line is crooked? You. immediately look at it. You say that's a. crooked squiggly line only because in.

your mind you know. what a straight line is. If you don't. believe in God, then you say evil's no. problem. But if you are upset with it, you actually are implying that you. believe in God. You might be angry at. God. You might be wrestling with God. You might think that God is unjust. That's a completely different thing than. not believing in God. There's no one who doesn't believe in. God. Everyone believes in God because. the spirit of God is within us because.

he made us. The divine spark exists. whether you acknowledge it or not. So. your options are three. Either you. acknowledge it and try to live by it. You ignore it and numb yourself or you. rage against it. And so that would be. the atheists, the agnostics, and the. Christians in reverse order. and you can. see them immediately. You know, the the. agnostics are numb, the atheists are. enraged, and the Christians have peace. But your op, you don't have any other. options because it's just real. It. pre-exists you and every single person. feels it. Executive producer of the.

show, my good friend Blake Nef, another. producer of the show, and of course, the. great good friend, wonderful man. Um, honestly, Tucker, thank you so much for. for making the time. By the way, everything we've asked of you, you just. said whatever I could do. Yes, I'll. clear my schedule. Yes, absolutely. And. um that's a that's just how you are and. I love that about you. >> Well, I want to get on the road. I mean, my favorite thing that Charlie did in. his professional life was get out and. physically speak to people in their. physical presence. I think that's so. important. I love the internet, I guess.

Um pretend to love the internet. I hate. it. But mostly I love being with people. physically and smelling them. And he was. like the last person who really loved. that. >> and he got murdered. And I just I grieve. his death of course, but I also am. really concerned that that whole thing. will die. It's so important to be there. physically. >> Like ask me anything in my physical. presence. >> And so I'm doing that for you guys. I'll. do as much as you want because I just. really believe in that. >> Well, you you uh we were going to save.

that for Monday, but I so they announced. >> I'm not much of a planner, >> but yeah. So, breaking news. If you guys. want me to go out there, I will do it. >> Yeah. Breaking news here. Tucker Carlson. uh will be a part of continuing. Charlie's legacy by uh touring uh with. us. >> wherever you want. >> Um it'll be at least one stop. We'll say. it like that. >> During grouse season and so that's like. the ultimate expression of love. Talk. about laying down your life.

>> You must I love season, >> you know, take take up your cross daily. So, I want to I want to I want to pivot. this conversation to uh Charlie's wife. >> Yes. >> Erica Kirk. Um and I joked yesterday or. Yeah. on thought crime. I got a little. you guys you guys razed me about it, but. I was quoting Blake and cuz it came out. it was just this like amazing thing and. I I I should know better than to air. private conversations publicly, but. Blake Erica was referenced and Blake. just goes, "What a woman,

>> dude. She's unbelievable. >> She's amazing." I was in Phoenix, flying. to Phoenix or something else and Charlie. texted me on the plane and said, "I. heard you're coming to Phoenix." Because. he knew everybody. I was like, "How do. you know that?" He goes, "Do you have. time for lunch?" "Yes." I had nothing to. do with him. Was not here for Turning. Point at all. And so I meet him at lunch. with his girlfriend, Erica, and he wants. me to introduce me to her. And I called. Susie, my wife, after. And I was like, because my long-standing view has been, you know, it's critical. Like, I really. believe in marriage, but not for like. syrupy reasons. Like, I think it really. matters. And I was like, "That chick is.

a star." I mean, she was just like, "No, this is what's true." And that's not. true. I mean, she is tough is not. exactly the right word cuz it's from. love. It's from Christian faith. It's. from faith in Jesus. But it like, oh. man. Oh my gosh. Unwavering. >> And and uh you want to know a crazy You. want to know a crazy thing I just. realized last night? So. Andrew Breitbart dies in 2012. That.

>> March 1st. >> That inspires Charlie Kirk to start. Turning Point USA in 2012. >> Guess what else happened in 2012? >> And we talk about people getting. prepared in these little like nuggets. that you you think about. I just. realized this. Erica Kirk won Miss. Arizona in 2012 and hung out with Donald. Trump in 2012 because of that. >> I know. And so I don't know there there. are no coincidences and it but you can.

just see how God was preparing them and. and you know Erica as well you know. Erica grew up with a single mom. >> Yeah. >> And so. you know obviously. >> he wanted Charlie's kids to know their. father in a deep and profound personal. way. But Erica is uniquely even in the. midst of that tragedy is uniquely able. to navigate that even just conceptually. and emotionally something I've talked to. her about and it's it's powerful even.

hearing her as she's working these. pieces out. And I again I don't want to. share too much privately. So they said. this publicly and I just love it and I. shared this on Twitter uh X the other. day and it went viral. So uh let's go. ahead and play cut uh 19. One of my. favorite interactions seeing Charlie and. Erica. >> My wife joins us, Erica Kirk. The. beautiful, legendary Erica. >> I love you so much. >> I love you. >> You're my best friend. >> Welcome to the Charlie Kirk show. We. have asked the audience for questions.

You pick one. >> Who is more conservative and why? >> Erica. >> Yes. >> By far. Not even close. I am a moderate. compared to Erica. >> Andrew always jokes that once you got. married to me, you got more base. >> That's true. That is true. No, Erica is. very conservative. Do Do you think. having kids made you more conservative? >> 100%. Which I didn't think was possible. >> But 100%. Absolutely. >> And do you think. >> And a better wife.

>> Mhm. >> Boy, that's the realest thing ever. It's. hard to talk about your marriage because. no one believes you. Of course, because. it's like it's your wife, you can't say. anything bad. But like I just know for a. fact that that's true. >> It's really true. >> Yeah. Yeah. And by the way, I should note. because I can't control myself that. there was a picture of them in Maine, which they loved. >> That makes me sad. >> Yeah. Well, Charlie was a bad He was bad. at vacations. >> Yeah. Terrible at vacation. >> So, he was in Maine this summer on.

vacation and he was I just loved how it. kept like, "Oh, well, okay. Fox and. Friends want me wants me to guest. So, we're going to take the weekend like the. best days of the vacation, you know, where he could actually maybe and Erica. was just totally game for She was like, "Cool. Let's go to New York.". >> No, they came to my house and I He's. like, "I want to buy a house here." I. was like, "Oh, you got to. The state. needs you. It's good." You know, that. I'm sorry that they didn't, but. >> it's just been amazing to hear her talk. about, you know, not just their.

relationship, but like how as a, you. know, how they both viewed marriage. And. you know, we were saying the last the. last exchange I had with Charlie by text. message just on the way to the event, he. was uh what what are the best arguments. for monogamy? And it gets back to that, you know, the Christian civilization. stuff we talked about cuz he loved all. the takes I'd give him where I'm like, "Yeah, you know, Christian marriage is. in the Bible, but it it's also this like. secret weapon that made the West great. and like countries that follow Christian. marriage, like they're amazing, they.

excel, they improve, they get better, they have harmony between men and women. far more than any other civilization. He. loved all of that. And so I was rattling. all that off. And I think the last thing. I got from him is he like hearted a list. that I posted. >> and 10 minutes later he was on the. stage. >> Yeah. Yeah. Those I I've looked back at. those cuz those were I was on that text. chain and I was chiming in and they were. the last text that I exchanged with them. too and it was like 30 minutes before it. happened and yeah, we were talking about. marriage. It's a it.

>> that is when they talk about you hearing. Erica talk about it where she she'll say. stuff that sounds unbelievable to you. you know, they'll she's like, "People. would ask me, you know, did you get mad. at Charlie because he traveled so much. and was doing so many things?" And she's. like, "No, I didn't." And it was because. we were on the same team. We were on the. same mission and I would have never. wanted to in any way be hindering from. him executing God's mission. And he. would have never wanted to fail in any. way in me executing the mission God gave.

me. But she was but when he was present, you know, he he practiced Shabbat not. because he's Jewish, but because he. needed sort of a a discipline to follow. And so from sundown on uh on Friday, really all of Saturday, it was like he. was off. He turns you couldn't call him. You couldn't get a hold of him. I mean, there was ways if an emergency happened. that I could get a hold of him, >> but. >> and it was legit. But it was legit. You'd see the wave of him like reading. the things you sent on like Friday night. or Saturday night, finally reacting,

>> blowing you up on Sunday when I try to. go to church. All of a sudden, Charlie's. back on. And it was just like, you know, and um but but he he gave that time so. purely and fully to his wife and kids. And Erica absorbed every moment of that. And I, you know, I told this story. yesterday and I I do want to like. clarify something because apparently. people took it the wrong way. But the. night it happened, she got a call from a. very important person. And that very.

important person, I'm not going to say. who, it maybe isn't who you think, but. it's a very important person. But asked. like, I you know, I just have to ask. like like what do you know? And he. wasn't talking about some conspiracy. theory. We didn't even they hadn't even. got that the shooter at this point. And. it's a fair question. He was asking, "What do you know about Turning Point? What do you know about what Charlie was. doing politically? What do you know. about the donors? What do you know? What. do you know? Like what are we working? What's our starting point here?".

And she said back, "I know everything.". Thank God because Charlie would spend. they would walk and they would talk and. they they would religiously they would. walk cuz Charlie hurt his back. He. couldn't run anymore. He used to run. like 7 to 10 miles a day. When I first. started working with Charlie, he would. just be gone running and he hurt his. back. He couldn't do it. So, they would. walk together. And if you ever walked. with Charlie, the guy could keep a pace. The guy big long legs and he just and. they would talk and they would lay in. bed and they would talk and he told he.

she was his vault and she knows. everything. >> She has the same spirit. So, when when. that was announced, I heard that she was. taking over, I was just I was just. elated. It's not attack on anyone else, by the way, or a reference to any of the. interessine battles currently going on. Um, which I'm trying to not think about. It's just the the fact the provable fact. that she had the same spirit and the. same goals, same mission that he had. That is just true.

>> Just more based. >> Let me I just want it without, you know, whatever, but getting into it. But I. just want to affirm that. I just saw. that recently yet again. And uh I'm just. so thankful that she's taking over cuz. it's it's a big deal. I saw Trump on. Monday. He said, "I couldn't got elected. without Charlie Kirk." And I, you know, he's not prone to say things like that. He meant it. >> Wow. >> Yeah. >> JD said the same thing. Yep. With Jesse. and I know JD uh feels that. And you.

know, it's just been amazing too to see. Washington, you know, the power center, the imperial capital, as Charlie always. used to say. By the way, Charlie hated. going to Washington. Hated it. He loved. being out here in Phoenix. Thought it. was like our secret weapon. Well, besides you being the secret weapon, it. was our secret weapon to be outside of. that bubble. And yet somehow. all of Washington is coming to him. >> You know, can I say one thing? I. shouldn't even get involved in this, but. it's a fact. So, I want to say it. He. loved JD Vance. He loved Donald Trump.

Of course, often said it, but he he. really loved. >> the stuff he would talk about in in. private and some of that would, you. know, bubble out. You know, we he loved. telling the story of the first time he. endorsed him for office. Uh, and in case people haven't heard it, it's such a great story where, uh, you. know, Vance has announced he's running. in Ohio for Senate. And it's a very. longshot bid at this point. I think he. pulled at 2 or 3%. He comes in, he meets. Charlie, he talks to Tyler, too. And. they come out and they're like, >> he said everything we believe. Like, we. we've got to endorse him. Like, if we're.

not going to endorse this guy, why are. we even here? Exactly. >> And they're basically like, you know, they make that commit. And there's a. miscommunication because it's a big open. senate, you know, it's a big Senate race. and Charlie's got to call a lot of. donors and, you know, explain why we're. doing this. We're not going for your. guy. This isn't to slight on you. You. know, manage all the other guy was their. guy for sure. >> And instead there's a miscommunication. and it just goes out like blast turning. point is endorsing JD Vance and it goes. out way too early and he is about he's. like, "Well, we all believe it." And.

he's just like JD Vance is amazing. by. the way that you're part of that story. because it was he saw JD on your show. and was like he and it at that point he. didn't know all the little deep things. that he believed and he just he kept. like I remember him saying JD's got like. something there's something about JD. he's got. >> that is exactly. >> he's got the goods and. >> before you explain why. >> I'm not going to get involved no just. saying he loved. >> he loved JD he loved and by the way JD.

loved him and I I think you can see. that. Do you want to put any a cap on. that? I know you have a story to tell. >> Well, I just I just want to I don't. think I can emphasize it enough. And. again, I'm really going to try because I. think the point of Charlie's life was. following Jesus. I just want to say that. again as someone who knew him well. I. think the point of his life was. following Jesus. So, I really want to. help be helpful to that mission and not. get distracted with the other stuff. And. I have distracted with the other stuff. for sure cuz I feel strongly about it. But I'm going to try and stop. But I.

just want to say if you want to. understand Charlie Kirk, he loved JD. Vance and Donald Trump, but he was. genuinely close to JD like as a friend. and vice versa. And that's that is just. factually true. And I don't want to hurt. anybody by going on, but that is that is. true. >> And JD earned every. loved story and it really meant a lot to. him. So we had that event in um. >> it was in June in Detroit last year. >> in Detroit, the people's convention we. called it. I I assume that was like.

>> it was pre it was preheim getting. announced as VP and they were just. starting to kind of like float his name. out there. >> Yeah. And which Charlie of course very. much wanted to do and you know he he. used all of his political talents to try. to promote that. Um and one of those. things is Yeah. invite him to the. convention and what he always loved. about it was I think it was it was his. anniversary either the day before or the. day after. And so they. >> Yeah. No, it was the day before because. Yeah. We wanted him on Saturday night to. be sort of the the the the final speaker.

on Saturday night. And he said, >> Charlie would love that. He's like, it's. my anniversary. I have to be with my. wife, but I will I will commit to. getting you getting there on Sunday. And. Charlie was like, great, you could be. the final speaker of the event. And that. gave him just enough time to get to. literally just drive up there, which I. believe he did he personally himself. drive the carve. And he he gets there. and like you know we're used to a lot of. people having you know entouragees and. he just shows up. I think he had one aid. with him. >> There's JD.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Just walks in. It's just. like Will was with him. >> I'm JD Vance. I'm the speaker. I think. like maybe some security guy didn't. initially recognize him. >> No, he just JD Vance walking by himself. backstage. I was like. >> I I think that's like you know he's just. kind of like strolling in and like we. found out he drove. He's like, "Oh, yeah. Yeah, I was just, you know, >> there's never been a less affected. politician. I always promise myself I'm. not going to compliment JD Vans because. I don't want to hurt him, but there's. never been a less affected leader ever.". Like, period. >> I totally agree. I've I've never seen.

one if there is. >> No. >> But yeah, Charie, people would ask. Charlie a lot, you know, are you going. to run for president? Are you gonna run. for office? or you know like and he. would always I you will not find one. piece of content anywhere ever. It. doesn't exist where he said yeah you. know what I want to be president. someday. He would always say, he would. always, you know, I love what I'm doing, like God's called me here, you know, we. have more impact here, you know, and and. that was all very true.

privately. I had that conversation with him and I. wouldn't say he answered it with me. Although that maybe there were some. other instances where I I I caught an. inclination, but what he said was JD's ready and. because JD's running, I don't even have. to think about it. And I don't know if. that's like I don't know if he said, let. me say because JD exists, we're going to. do everything we can. He didn't say that.

he, you know, confirmed or anything, but. because JD exists, I don't have to think. about it. And Charlie, you know, was. such a champion of JD's political. talents and his his future. And if JD. does decide to do that, certainly. Charlie would cheer him on from the. hereafter. But um yeah, Charlie Charlie. has a lot of faith in JD Vance. >> I always loved his his frankness on just. topics like that, you know, in the in. the 2024 primaries. He like he would. just come out and he's like, "Well, I. promised Trump that if he ran again in.

24, I would support him." And so that. was that. like I made a promise. >> and if JD chooses to do that then. >> God bless him and I I would be here to. to cheer him on. Uh we have our final. radio segment of the day. >> Are you serious? >> It goes fast. >> That went fast. Yeah. >> But I have this great clip of Charlie. that we're going to play. Play cut two. This is Charlie talking about his lovely. wife Erica. >> My wife is the best person ever and. she's a patriot and she's a believer and. we don't want to have to be accountable. to God when this life passes. And he.

asks,"Wh did you not trust in me and not. fight evil?" Because we as Christians. are called to fight evil. It's one of. the less lesserk known scriptures. Psalm. 97:10, "For those of you that love God, you must hate evil.". >> Yep. Amen. >> And again, everyone is called to. something different in the body of. Christ. Some people are called to heal. the sick. Some people are called to mend. broken marriages. Some people are called. to do outright hot gospel teaching. My. call is to fight evil and to proclaim. truth. That's it.

who has that clarity of purpose, you. know, at that age who it's such a rare. gift. It I think it is a gift. It's not. detracting from the choices that he. made, but like he knew what his purpose. on this earth was. He worked tirelessly. to fulfill that tirelessly. I can't. overstate that. As someone with a. similar gig, like I've never seen a man. work harder and with greater. self-sacrifice, with greater. selfdiscipline. And it all flowed from. his belief that this is not pointless.

We are there's a race that we have to. run. And he I mean he left us in. midstride. I thought that that night and. I was heartbroken and h struggling. even now to control myself. Excuse me. But I had that image that day. I was on. a plane when it happened of him going. like that, you know, leaving this earth. in that position in midstride. And that. is as tragic and overwhelming as it is,

that is such a gift like may that be the. end of my life too in all of our lives. to to leave in midst of purpose, in. midst of forward motion. You know, very. few people get that and you know, in. this case at 31, it's unimaginable. Um, however, that is something that I know. that I want and I think that every. person who thinks about it wants that, too. And so, I'm I'm grateful for that. >> Well, you know, you have um you have a.

special place in the. the Turning Point family, Tucker. I know. you know that you have you had a special. place in Charlie's heart. And I just. want to address one thing before we go. here. We got like two two and a half. minutes left. That there was pressure. put on Charlie, you know, about you. appearing at Turning Point. >> Oh, you think? >> And and he's such a Scott about it. So. he's just like, "Oh, they're putting. pressure on me, so I've got to I've got.

to double down.". >> He was like, you know, some of the some. of the funny text messages that we found. since then, he goes, "Oh, they don't. want me to have Tucker. Oh, maybe I'll. have him speak twice." You know, and um. and he just sent those to me. >> Yeah. He just loved you and there was, you know, and and that was with the. hardest thing to explain to people that, you know, maybe didn't like your views. on foreign policy or whatever. >> Didn't like my views on foreign policy. >> I'm trying to be diplomatic here, Doug. Embrace it. Embrace it. Embrace it. Um, embrace it. And and but I just, you.

know, Charlie, this was the hardest. thing to explain is that like guys, you. don't understand like Charlie's mission. is three steps down. He's he's keeping a. coalition together. He's keeping friends. together. He's keeping networks. together. He's he's a statesman and he's. not he's not going to knee-jerk and be. morally blackmailed by anybody. And if. you and if you do it, he will double. down. And you saw it in that clip. My. mission is to confront evil. >> Oh yes. >> And to proclaim the truth. >> wherever it is. Yes. And um and I would.

just tell people listen you might think. one thing fine but Charlie and Tucker. are deeply deeply on a very personal. level friends and Charlie is loyal. Oh. yeah. >> And if you go down this route don't be a. don't be surprised when you have Tucker. having three speeches on three different. nights at Afest. You know, like when I. was a kid, I drove my in high school, I. drove my car into a white pine in Maine. going about 40.

>> And I remember thinking it total the. car. And I remember thinking, "Wow, the. treatis doesn't move. It doesn't matter. how hard you hit it." And that was. Charlie. He was just a towering white. pine man. He was just not It didn't. matter how hard you hit him. Just wasn't. wasn't moving. I There's few things I. respect more than that. >> Well, Tucker, it's been a pleasure. one of my. favorite shows and I think it was so. fitting that you capped off the week and. um I know you're going to be speaking uh. at his celebration.

>> about Jesus not politics to be clear. about. >> I'm so glad that we could take some time. to talk about Jesus not politics because. that's the whole point. >> well it's funny when I first started. being around you the way you would talk. about faith was much more reticent and. reserved and Charlie has made a convert. out of you and you for proclaiming the. truth as well as any preacher I've ever. heard. So, thank you, Dr. Carlson. May. God bless you. >> May God bless. >> the reach of your word.

>> Thank you. >> Thanks so much. Talk to you soon. [Music].