Tucker Calls Out Trump Administration for Allowing Americans to Be Slaughtered by Israeli Terrorists

The most shocking part of the story of. the USS Liberty, the American ship. bombed by the Israeli government back. during the six- day war in 1967, is not. simply the facts of the case. 34. Americans murdered by the Israelis, 171. wounded, bombed, strafeed with machine. gun fire, etc. That's a tragedy and it's. shocking. But the most shocking part of the story. is that the US government, beginning. with the then president, Lyndon Johnson, covered it up, prevented the survivors. from talking about it, prevented the.

public from knowing that it even. happened. That's ongoing, by the way. American officials still refuse to talk. about what happened to the USS Liberty. by and large with some exceptions. So that's the part of the story that. really makes you wonder what is going on. here. It's one thing for a foreign. country, foreign government to murder. your citizens. That does happen. But the idea that your own government. would take the side of the foreign. nation as it murders your people, the.

people your government is in charge of. caring for. That is really stunning. And. you have to ask why. Well, in some. cases, of course, just a product of evil. intent. There are bad people in. positions of power. But for the most. part, it's not active evil. It's passive. evil. It's the result of moral. cowardice. It's more painful to take the. side of your own people than it is the. side of a foreign government. Therefore, you take the side of a foreign. government. That's just the truth about. the way most people are, unfortunately.

So, as you think about that, you think. about the depth of the betrayal involved. in the aftermath of the USS Liberty. murders. You think, well, that couldn't possibly. happen now. Well, in fact, it is. happening now. Right now, more than a. dozen American citizens have been. murdered in pgrams in the occupied. territories that Israel controls, the. West Bank. And they've been murdered by Israelis, mostly Israeli settlers, the ones.

conducting these pgrams, armed by the US government, carrying. American rifles. And if you think the. term pgram is too strong, you don't know. the details of what's happening there. Israeli settlers, many of them American. citizens, carrying American weapons, murdering. the local population, Palestinians, some. of whom more than a dozen of whom have. been American, and by the way, who are. prohibited from defending themselves. They cannot carry weapons. Of course,

Palestinians can't carry weapons on. their own land, but Israeli settlers who. seek to steal that land can. So this is. these pgrams have been ongoing of course. but most Americans have no idea that. American citizens have been murdered. during the course of them and they have. no idea because the media by and large. don't report it and American officials. have no interest in talking about it. So we want to bring you a very specific.

story of a young American man and by. American we mean literally American. born in the United States, worked at his. family's ice cream shop in Tampa, who. was murdered last summer in July of 2025. in the West Bank. He was murdered attempting to go to land. that his family owns, has a deed to, not. owns in some conceptual sense, but. literally owns. And he was killed by. settlers, none of whom have ever been. punished for that crime. And under.

normal circumstances, we would give long. monologue about why this is bad. Of. course, it's self-evidently bad and what. it means. But we've just conducted two. of the most extraordinary interviews. we've done in a long time. One with the. father of the boy who was murdered and. another with an American journalist who. works for a Christian a Catholic. publication who was effectively. prevented from talking about this entire. topic who was censored on behalf of the. Israeli government in the United States.

So these two interviews answer at least. two questions. The first is what is. happening? You may not know the details. with your money in your name to your. fellow citizens in a foreign land. And. the second is why haven't you heard. about this? Why is there effectively a. media blackout on the details? Not a. total media blackout. In fact, we're. about to play you a clip from CNN, which. to their credit, they did about the. murder last summer of the boy from. Florida. But by and large the American.

media do not report on the details of. these crimes of these pgrams. Why is that? And the second interview. with the editor, former editor from this. Catholic publication gives you a sense. of just how the news coverage is shut. down at the level of the news. organization, what the censorship looks. like within the newsroom. And so we want to frame the first. interview we're about to bring you with. that clip we just mentioned from CNN,

which has video in it that you may not. have seen, but this is something worth. watching. So what you're about to see is. video of the father accompanied by a. news crew attempting to go to the place. where his son was beaten to death during. these pagms. Watch. Camel Muslit hasn't. been able to reach this land in over a. year. This is the hillside where his son. safe, an American citizen, was killed. >> Looks like it's down here if you want to. walk. Yeah.

>> Beaten to death by Israeli settlers. exactly one year ago. Since then, settlers have illegally. occupied the area, preventing this. father from getting the closure he so. desperately seeks. >> We have to keep an eye because usually. they'll come down that way. >> But this solemn, sacred moment won't. last. Within seconds, we spot a car. speeding towards us. We start to leave, but as we drive away, we see that four. settlers have set up a roadblock. Armed. with clubs and rocks, they try and block.

our way. First with their bodies. and then. >> and now it looks like he's trying to. slash our tires. He's trying to slash. our tires. >> Oh, he's got a knife. He's going for. tires. >> Oh my god. >> A group of independent journalists and. activists are in the car behind us. >> MOVE. MOVE, [ __ ] [screaming]. >> But their vehicle isn't armored. Drive. [screaming]. >> But the settlers aren't done. More. arrive, blocking another road before. chasing us. >> and attacking us again.

>> No, they're trying to stop our car. again. They're hitting us. >> We finally make it back to safety where. I get on the phone with the Israeli. military, which is responsible for. security in this area. But settlers have. also called the military and these. soldiers are only interested in. harassing us, refusing to take action. against the settlers. That man, as you. just saw, is called Kaml Musullet. He. runs an ice cream shop and a smashburger.

store in Tampa, Florida. And we're about. to bring you our interview with him. And. we're not going to say a lot more. because nothing we could say would be. half as affecting or informative as. about as what you're about to hear him. say. But we just add one thing. You will. hear him describe his efforts to get the. attention of his own US senator Rick. Scott of Florida. Now keep in mind K. Musl is from Florida. He grew up in. Cluon Florida right near Lake. Okachchobee. He's not some foreigner.

He's an American an American citizen and. has always been. and his family, his. parents were American citizens. And of. course, his son, now gone, was an. American citizen, too. Rick Scott is the. Republican senator who represents him. And yet, Rick Scott has refused to meet. with him. Rick Scott is always welcome. on this show to explain why. Consider. this an official invitation to Senator. Scott. But keep in mind as you listen to. this that his representative of the. United States Senate, Rick Scott, has.

refused to meet with him or do anything. to affect justice in this case. The. killers of his son remain unpunished. So. with that, here's our interview with Kl. Musullet. Kamal Musullet, thank you so. much for joining us. Um, so I I'm hoping. you'll tell us the story of your son, and I just want to be clear for people. watching that he was an American, not. simply a green card holder or even a. citizen, but a birthright American born. in Florida, fully American. Um, and he.

was murdered in the occupied territories. by settlers. So tell us who he was and. what happened if you would. >> Uh, Mallet, uh, my son, my name is Camil. Mad. Um, say Musl was born in Port. Charlotte, Florida. He was working at an. ice cream shop in Tampa, Florida. And. um, me and him, you know, built it. together and we opened it up and he was.

he was serving ice cream to to kids, you. know, that that was that was his job. description. um safe law in the summer of 2025 July. Um he was in West Bank, Palestine. Uh he. wanted to visit his family. He wanted to. visit my wife was there at that m at. that time and his siblings were there. and honestly he wanted actually to. hopefully find a potential wife. you.

know, he wanted to get engaged and he. said, uh, maybe I can find my spouse. there. And, uh, so I told him, you know, I was debating because business was. booming. The ice cream shop was doing. well and but he convinced me that, uh, let me go there for now. I told him, okay, but what we'll do is that uh, we'll kind of switch places, you know, I'll go take care of the ice cream shop. while you go there. We spent some time. together there together. Uh we spent our.

holiday the Eid and we u attended my. nephew's wedding which is his cousin and. um I came back to the states. Um I left. him there. Um so Israeli settlers uh. since April of 2025, they've been. basically. trying to steal more land. you know, the. the land theft that they're doing and. the land theft that they're getting away.

with. And uh since April, they've been. coming to our town. It's basically. across from our village. Across from our. village, meaning these two big like um. mountains or hills or one of them has. the homes and schools and so forth and. then the other one is kind of like open. field, but it's part of our village. Um. Tucker as as you you might have heard. before our village consists of 80%. American citizens.

Yes. Yeah. In. most of Ramallah area. So like my father. is the one that came to the states. My. grandfather came to the states in 1895. on a on a uh on a boat and lived in New. York. Um, my father came in uh the 60s. So, you know, I I'm second generation. I've been here for years and uh [snorts]. uh I grew up in Clueston, Florida. Uh.

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you know, we, you know, we are. Americans. you know, my my my son was. born in the States. My older brothers. were born in the States, uh, and so. forth. So, our village, just like my. father, most of the older generations, they moved to the States. So, 80% of our. village consists of 20,000 people, only. 4,000 live there and 15,000 live abroad, either in the States or South America. And most of them are American citizens. So, most of these American citizens own.

these lands. I own a piece of land in. this land in the in this mountain and. the Israeli settlers have been going. there since April 2025 and preventing us. from getting into our lands. And as you. know, Tucker, there's area A, B, and C. Believe it or not, this land where these. settlers are at right now, this moment. as we speak, I can't get to my land. there. It's area A and area B. It's not. this area C disputed Oslo agreement.

saying that it's under Israeli. authority. No, this is under Palestinian. authority, but the Palestinian Authority. doesn't even go there. Uh we don't go. there. So they were trying to get to. their lands since April and week after. week they were attacked and attacked and. attacked and it just, you know, it. doesn't make sense that we can't get to. our lands because of five or six or. seven of these Israeli settlers uh. attacking us. You know, they're armed.

with uh with M16s. They're armed with. sticks, with with rocks and and so. forth. And every time someone would try. to go there, they would get hurt or. attacked. And ever since, but it's our. right to be in our land. You know, this. is land that is owned by us. This land. owned by American citizens, Tucker. This. is like there's many Americans all over. the world that buy land and own land in. many foreign countries.

Um so that July uh 11th um just like. every other week uh many people were. trying to get into their lands. They. were prevented by by these Israeli. settlers. Say Falah was one of the. people that was trying to get to their. to his land. you know, I have land there. that's um about an acre land there um in. area A and. there wasn't many settlers or they.

didn't see many settlers. It seemed that. they had um an ambush ready for them. Uh. when they got there. um maybe 50 settlers. uh a mob of them uh ambushed uh safe uh. ambushed his friend Muhammad Shalabi um. attacked many other people that day his. friend Muhammad Shali was shot in the. back a close friend of him um a.

Palestinian but his name is not known as. much because he's not an American you. you know, um say Falah was beaten to death that. day. Um and what happened was that. the ambulance a first ambulance was. trying to reach him. Um and on the way. there it was attacked by stones and had. to go back. uh my other son Muhammad. when he heard about this news and and. I'm in the states Tucker right now at.

this moment and. >> sorry to all right. it's hard to imagine. [clears throat]. It's my oldest son, you know. It's like, so. I get these messages that are that's.

saying that say Allah is in this. mountain and say Allah has been hurt. Um, nobody's giving me direct messages. Nobody's telling me exactly what's. happening. Um, and I understand that, you know, no, no, nobody wants to tell. the father what's going on. Uh my. younger son Muhammad, he heard what. happened. He crossed this mountain and. he just, you know, I guess the. adrenaline pumped into him and he wasn't.

afraid that there was Israeli settlers. there. He wasn't afraid that the Israeli. army, remember Tucker, Israeli army, their presence was there at that moment. And that's why we couldn't get another. ambulance. And after the first ambulance. went back, they had to get a permit. for another ambulance to entered to get. to Safe Allah. And it took 2 and 1/2. hours until they finally got the permit. to reach Safah. But my son, when he.

heard this, he went there. He crossed. this mountain and he told me there were. sellers on top but uh you know um uh. [clears throat] they didn't see him. Uh. the Israeli soldiers didn't see him. He. got to his brother. He reached to his. brother and I was calling and calling. and calling. when I when I uh uh Safe. Allah's phone and someone answered, I. was kind of relieved at that moment, but. it, you know, wasn't safe because Safe.

Allah's face was blue. Uh he had a hard. time breathing. You know, his body just. couldn't take it. And uh what's sad is. my other son was told me that he um he. was still breathing. and. waiting for some sort of help. He was. unconscious with his eyes open. And uh. when I when I called him later on, you. know, my son told him, my son told me.

that he didn't look good from the from, you know, that he needed some sort of. medical attention, medical help. And. when he finally when they finally. approved for this ambulance to get to. him after 2 and 1/2 hours, they put him on the stretcher. and 5 minutes before he got into the. ambulance, my son told me that he took. his last breath. >> Oh. So it it was just. that matter just that time you know like.

if they allowed the ambulance if if if. the first ambulance got into him you. know he would be with us right now at. this moment I would not be having this. interview with you at this moment you. know I would be with my son we would be. in in in ice cream shop working together. the first one didn't make it why not. allow the second one to get there sooner. like uh they should have been the ones. knowing that Israeli illegal Israeli.

settlers being in land that this not. theirs. under Oslo agreement under international. law under Israeli law you know there's. these big signs up there I don't know if. you've seen pictures of them that it is. illegal for an Israeli to be in area A. there's these big red signs so it's. under Israeli law it's illegal for them. to be there they attacked my son they. attacked many other people why are they. not even sending ambulances to get help, you know, to help these these people.

that have been hurt? And um he took his. last breath at that moment and ever. since then, you know, uh there's been no. accountability. There's been no justice. there's only been. uh more settlers going there uh till. this day over a year and settlers are. still in those areas. every time we try. to go there uh we get attacked and um.

just uh on the one-y year anniversary um. I don't know if you seen the CNN report. that I did with Jeremy Diamond. um I agreed with CNN that I would you. know do a follow-up with them uh that. like I had a condition that I needed to. be safe. They provided me an armored. car. They provided me bulletproof vests. So, think about it. To try to get to my.

own land, the only way that I can feel. safe is if I'm in an armored car. And. this is one year later since that that. that you know, my son was murdered. And. we all know, you know, what did Mike. Huckabe say uh when he learned about. Silah's murder? You know, he called it a. criminal and terrorist act. A criminal and terrorist act. Um, what.

did uh the director of the FBI say? I. was listening to him not long ago and. and and this thing popped up. He said, this is his exact words. If you kill an. American citizen in an act of terrorism, we will hunt you down. We will bring you. to justice and you will fa you will face. justice here in America. And Mike Huckabe called it a criminal. and terrorist act. Imagine the.

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a mob, you know, beats an American citizen to. death. in a foreign country, what would be the. outcry of it? Would they not send. uh authorities from the US to. investigate it? Why is my son different in this in in in. this situation? Like it just doesn't. make sense, you know? Like um I didn't.

get a call from Rick Star. I didn't get a call from Dantis. I tried. to set up meetings with them when I went. to uh um DC. Uh but don't get me wrong, there's many senators out there that are. so. uh sincere and and and you know, Van. Holland is one of them and uh him and 27. or 28 other senators signed a letter. demanding investigation, an independent.

investigation led by the US. And till this day, you know, nothing. you know, I'm I'm I try to get some. answers from the Israeli authority and. uh they haven't sent, you know, they. they they've gave me no updates. Um you. know, so that day when I went with. Jeremy. one year later, you know, I wanted to go to the place. where my son was killed. I wanted to.

maybe would give some closure, you know. Uh I wanted to see this tree that he was. under. Uh because they put he was he was. under a tree. His friends put him under. a tree where there was shade. It was hot. that day and I wanted to reach that. tree. Um but that day when we went with. CNN one year later, they're still there. We got attacked. The car was attacked. The journalist.

behind us got attacked. We were safe. because we were an armored car. Um the. footage shows that the settlers were. trying to slash the tire with a with a. knife. And um it was this was after. reaching the area that um that the. attack occurred. you know, I reached. that area and to be honest, uh, it was really hard on me because I was. started I started to imagine my son.

being in that area, being attacked and. his friends being attacked. And our next. step was our next like area, our goal to. reach was the tree that he took his last. breath in under. And on our way there, when we were. attacked, then we were chased. Then we. were chased around the whole mountain. until we got out safely. And even after. that they came down to the village and. they started attacking and and so forth. And you know it's like until when you.

know why is there not sanctions on these. people uh on these terrorists um why are. they not why is there not enough. international pressure uh stopping this? And this happened, you know, this is not. only happening to, you know, Palestinians. This happened to this is. happening to Americans. So, you know, we're funding this. Uh that day, they. said the day that um we were attacked.

with Jeremy, CNN, uh they said they. apprehended four people. Uh but what. really happened? Because the next day we. couldn't get there. You know, it's like. uh the Israeli army being, you know, claiming that they're that great, they. can't remove seven or eight uh settlers. from this mountain because the. Palestinians can do only so much. And.

you know, they can't really retal. retaliate against them. And they all. have to the only thing that they could. do is just uh basically nothing. You. know, we took it to the courts. We took. it to the courts and and tried to evict. them, which makes no sense. Evicting. them from land that's not even theirs or. evicting them from land that they're. trying to steal. And the court's order. from the Israeli uh courts, the Israeli.

Supreme Courts. has a court order that they must be. removed, that they must leave. and still nothing. Uh no investigation. from the US Department of State. um. Israeli authorities are not removing. them and they're just saying that. they're you know they're just a bunch of. um. a wild gang or some or some sort of and.

till this day you know um we're we're. there as a father I feel I have a. responsibility for my son for safe uh. that I can't give up you know and and do. what I And as an American, uh, Tucker, he he loved being an American. Uh, I. mean, like, uh, he got his new passport, right? One day, the new passport with. the cards. He sent me a video. He said,

"Dad, dad, look at the new passport. It's different." And then he um, his. friend sent me a video after he was. killed that I I seen when he I never. seen before until after he was killed. and he was holding this US passport. and he was saying uh blue is blue. It. doesn't matter. This is this was safe's. direct words. He said it doesn't matter. if you're a Palestinian American. It.

doesn't matter if you're any other. He. said blue is blue. American is an. American. And this this was like he believed in it. so much, you know, and it kind of, you. know, like how disappointed would he be. right now that his passport did nothing. for him. >> Okay. You know, this is who Safe was.

>> Let me ask you two questions. Has anyone. ever been arrested for your son's. murder? Uh they claim at the beginning some they. were four were arrested that day. They. didn't give me information on who. They. didn't say but uh you know they were uh. released soon after. >> So no no one's been punished for. murdering your son. >> Nobody's been punished. >> Home ownership has always been at the. center of the American dream. It is an. actual asset. [music] A place people.

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800685-55696. or visit americanfinancing.net/tucker. That's my first question. My second. question is I just want to make sure I. have this clear. You're a you're an. American. You run an ice cream shop in. Tampa where your son and American. citizen work, but you're Flidians and. Rick Scott, the Republican senator from. Florida, will not meet with you after. your son and American citizen and. Florida resident was murdered in a. foreign country. Is that is did I get. that right? >> We we've tried we've tried to do direct.

meetings with him. Um I think they. wanted us to meet with their staff or so. forth. [clears throat] I wanted a direct. contact. I wanted to meet him directly. You know I went to DC. I met with many. senators. You know why not my senator. you know you know my Floridaian senator. >> I just want to say that again. Rick. Scott and you his the phone number for. his office is on the internet. encourage. everyone to look it up and give the. office a call. Um Rick Scott, the.

Republican senator from Florida, will. not meet with his own constituent whose. son was murdered in a foreign country. That you know, you you think like the. USS Liberty could never happen now. That. American leaders would never tolerate. their own people being killed by a. foreign country. They would never cover. up on behalf of a foreign power when. Americans are murdered. But clearly it. is happening again. >> Yeah. and and and and my son is not even. the only American that's been killed. there. You know, since 2003,

um a dozen Americans have been killed. And even after my son, you know, like my. whole thing was. maybe this time will be different. Maybe. something will happen. uh something will there'll be a change. because of there was you know there was. media out there about covering about. safe story and it won't happen again. there'll be some sort of international. pressure no other American will be. killed there and even after my son was.

killed two more Americans were killed. by Israeli settlers. after my son. and and it just doesn't stop. And like. you know my whole thing is like. like you know why is the US government. not doing enough for their citizens you. know when it comes to you know.

them being killed you know by. [clears throat] Israelis. Um. uh you know I I don't know Tucker like. don't you think if it was any other. place in the world. there would be this investigation you. know they'll send out um you know their. investigators and so forth to see what. happened and you know it's been a year. down the road and. like.

I just feel now it's even too late like. you know what kind of investigation can. you do after a year you know And. I I don't you know, you know, I'm I'm. I'm going to try to keep doing my part, you know, and and and. demand justice, demand accountability, and and hopefully this impunity that. they have, thinking they can do anything. they want and get away with it because. they are. and. >> yeah, >> nobody stopping them, you know, uh, a.

slap to the wrist or so forth or but you. know, there's no true accountability. There's nobody getting, you know, going. to jail. And like I said, when. the director of the FBI said, you know, the he's claiming that you you're not. going to get away if you kill an. American citizen, but these guys have. >> you can also rape children and molest.

children in the United States and flee. to Israel and never face justice. And. that's happened a lot. So, >> of course, um, they behave as if they. have impunity because they do have. impunity. That's the answer. >> They do have impunity. >> And, and [clears throat] you know, Mike. Hakabe, you know, called me up, you. know, uh, two days after. And these were my exact words that I. asked him. I said,

"Should I not fear. to go into my land as an American. that is under my name that I purchased. anytime I want?". And he said, "No, you should not.". I remember one year later, I still fear. going into my land. He came to my house. We sat with each other.

and he told me he he would he wants to. get answers from the Israeli authorities. and [clears throat] still still today no. answers from them. Um they the case is. still open you know when when we asked. but with with with no answers with with. with nothing. >> Well he is the United States ambassador. in a country that would only ex only. exist because of the United States. So. if he wanted answers, he could get. answers. He's he's the envoy from the.

Trump administration, the benefactor of. Israel. So it's like not not that hard. to get answers if you if you really want. to. So he doesn't really want to. What. what hurts a lot, Tucker, is like, you. know, imagine what it feels like like. my own tax dollars that I pay, you know, contributed. to my own son's murder. >> Yes. >> You know, that hurts. And it.

that that that hurts because we all know. our tax dollars go there. and my son was killed there. So do I. have a part of that in reality? you know, so I can, you know, we can pray for the best and. uh. and you know, hope that there'll be some.

change. You know, they'll they'll. finally put a stop to this land theft. that just keeps going and going and. going. And just 3 weeks ago, just 3 weeks ago, uh they put a new outpost in our land. and in in the Mazak land, land that's. owned by mostly 80% Americans from our. from our village. Uh and they brought. their sheep. They started small. Now.

there's a tent there. And now every day. more and more settlers are going there. and now another area of our village that. we can't go to because there's Israeli. sellers there. This was just three weeks. ago. So, it's it's it's not stopping. It's not um it just it's it's increasing. actually. uh on an every day. I appreciate your taking the time to. tell your story and the story of your. son and what happened after he was. murdered in this pgram. Um, and I hope.

many people will see this and I hope. that change is the result of that. So, thank you very much. >> Well, thank you, Tucker, for for having. me and letting [snorts] me give my story. and letting my, you know, son's legacy. live on. Thank you. >> So, if you just watched that entire. interview, we were emotionally exhausted. by the end of it. You may be asking. yourself among many other questions, why. didn't I know that this happened? Pgrams.

are underway. Literal pgrams where. people are being murdered, including. American citizens, including a boy from. an ice cream shop in Tampa. And I didn't. know that even happened. Well, the. reason you may not have known is because. the media are by and large not covering. it. There is one exception. It's a Catholic. publication whose political editor. you're about to meet, former political. editor, and his name is Steven Harriet. Harriet describes how coverage of this.

story and stories like it has been shut. down at a Christian publication. And of course, if it's shut down at a. Christian publication, you can imagine. it has no shot at all at most media. outlets in the United States. But. without delay, here is editor Steven. Harriet. Stephen, thanks so much for doing this. um this story, what happened to you. recently is it's it's hard to believe at.

first. Um so if I understand just the. outline of it, you were working for a. Catholic news organization and you were. told not to allow anything in print that. might criticize, discredit the state of. Israel up to and including the state of. Israel's mistreatment of Christians. Is. that is that right? Um it's it's not quite um. such a complete prohibition. Um more. alarmingly, I guess here's the thing.

Let me just for a little context. >> Yeah. >> I work for and I'm a longtime political. editor for. >> Zeal News, which is a Catholic Catholic. votes uh news outlet. And we have in the. past done a lot of cover until until. very recently done a lot of coverage um. arguably more than any other Catholic. outlet on the mistreatment of uh. Palestinians by Israeli forces and by. the Israeli settler movement. And one of.

our main sources on the ground has been. the organization the Vulnerable People. Project which I know you've heard of and. I've seen mentioned on your show. And. what happened is right after the Napa. conference, it was conveyed to me that. we were now adopting a new policy and it. was to drastically reduce um our. coverage of Israel. Now, I will say it's. been presented to me in various ways. On. one occasion, yeah, it was a total. prohibition, no coverage of Israel um.

until the elections. um that's as a rule and maybe with. exceptions and there will be if there. are exceptions it has to be explicitly. put you know brought to the CEO and. under uh brought under extra scrutiny. >> I'm I'm sorry to ask you to pause until. which elections? >> I guess the upcoming midterms. >> Okay, >> would be the the reference. And so to me. though what was what was alarming on the. outset was this came in the context of. uh right after the Napa conference in.

California which was attended by the US. ambassador to the Vatican Brian. >> And what is the what is the Napa. conference? >> The Napa conference the Napa Institute. It's um the the people present would be. Catholic influential Catholics in. politics and media um donors and um US. ambassador to the Vatican Brian Burch. who is the former president of Catholic. Vote was there and the current CEO of. Catholic Vote and of Zeal Kelsey.

Reinhardt uh and another executive met. with him. uh they also met with donors um meaning. the current CEO and other executives met. with donors and it was presented to me. as coming from that like one of the. takeaways from our meeting uh our. meetings with donors and from our. meeting with the ambassador is we have. to change our editorial policy on all. issues with you know all articles that. we were publishing with regard to this. one issue Israel. Um, that in itself,

without even getting into the substance. of what the policy change might be, uh, was so alarming that I immediately went. to my immediate supervisor and said, "I. think this violates my conscience. I. don't I don't think I can abide by. this." Um, but that was only, I guess, the beginning. >> If you're over 35, you remember exactly. where you were on 9/11 that [music]. morning, September 11th, 2001, 25 years. ago. But amazingly, after a quarter century,

we still can't say with certainty what. happened that day. Why? Because the. government is holding so many of the. 9/11 files 25 years later. That's not. the behavior of someone who's telling. the truth. That's the behavior of a. government that is lying. Secrecy is a. signifier is a sign that someone's. lying. Now, former Congressman Kurt. Weldon has been on this for a long time. The FBI actively tried to [music]. destroy his life for asking questions. about what happened. and his new book. outlines it all. The buried. intelligence, the bureaucratic.

cowardice, and yes, the cover up. spanning multiple administrations, indeed, generations. 9/11 changed. history. So, it's worth understanding. what really happened. And you can get a. lot closer to that in Kurt Weldon's. book, Able Danger: What the 911. Commission Never Told You. It's. available now on Tucker. Carlsonbooks.com. tucker carlsonbooks.com. May May I ask you again to pause and and. tell us what your supervisor said when. you when you explained your conscience. won't permit you to work under these.

conditions? >> Oh, my direct supervisor was very. sympathetic and there are as as you know. on this issue um there is a lot of. sympathy. In fact, as I said to one of. my bosses, you could cast about for. sympathy for days. Uh uh and if you tell. people we're changing our policy on. Israel stories until the elections, you'll find that sympathy in one or two. retirement communities and maybe Florida.

and New York and maybe in some. boardrooms in DC, but every as you've. seen I mean people are very morally. outraged by the comportment of Israel in. the West Bank and of course in Gaza over. the last three years almost. Um so yeah, my direct supervisor very sympathetic. There are plenty of people who are very. sympa sympathetic. And in fact, Tucker, I'd honestly say, and I said this to. everyone before I resigned, I said, I. believe that you are fundamentally in. agreement with me on this. I view you.

not as uh, you know, some bad guy trying. to impose something on me, but as a good. [clears throat] person who's been. manipulated. Um, and to me, that's. that's my main attitude toward this. And. I feel bound in conscience. And I even. said this to executives before I. resigned. I said this is unmistakably. a moral scandal and with the involvement. of the US ambassador to the Vatican. especially in light of how outspoken our. holy father has been as well as his. right-hand man and the holy man you know. Batista Pizzala the cardinal who is the.

um patriarch of Jerusalem to say nothing. of the clergy on the ground in the West. Bank um. for the US ambassador to be going to the. US and meeting with an executive at a. media organization and saying we need to. adjust our policy toward Israel and the. way we cover it is inherently scandalous. and I said I will not be complicit in. such a scandal uh and I don't be I don't. appreciate being put in the position of. sitting on it you know um and sure.

enough you know when when I reached out. to your team your response I think was. as common sensical as mine like are you. kidding me you know that's very alarming. there's no mistaking it is. No, it's shocking. I mean, this is a. Christian news organization reporting. on, among other things, the mistreatment. of Christians. >> in the Holy Land. And and so to. to hear not just that a US official, but.

the ambassador to the Vatican would be. trying to shut that down. Um, yeah, I. had trouble believing that could be. true, but you know, that's a daily. [laughter] daily experience for me. Um, >> well, and to be clear, Tucker, I wasn't. privy to this conversation. I didn't. have a conversation with US ambassador. to the Vatican, but. >> it was very strange to me that three. executives independently confirmed that. this conversation had taken place. Two. of them were present and recount. Yeah. as I was saying to Brian and as he said.

um so to be meeting with the ambassador. to the Vatican um and and h coming out. of that meeting with and here's our new. editorial policy with regard to all. stories with having to do with Israel by. the way I'm Catholic Votes in a sense. I'm I'm Catholic Boat's most senior. editor um I'm not uh you know I'm the. political editor um to hear this as sort. of just marching orders out of the blue. and and for it to be present vented. frankly cavalerely. Here's the other.

thing. You know, when I talked with the. CEO, she did mention, I do quote, "I do. uh uh" she said, "I I I understand that. some things have been communicated in a. clunky and alarming way." At one point, she even said she would have one person. who communicated it to me rescend his. communique. Nonetheless, I was like, "No, you don't. go oops" on something like this. This is. very grave. Um, and I was very frankly. just I'm still mystified um that they.

would not uh see how serious I was, but. also how grave the situation is, if that. makes sense. >> What What do you think motivated this? What kind of coverage, and pardon my. ignorance, were you all doing before. this conversation? >> Wonderful coverage. Um, really I'm very. proud of it. I'm very proud of them. um. they really stuck their necks out. Um we. one of our main focuses to give you a. flavor of it was Taiba. And thank you by.

the way. I've heard you mention Taiba on. your on your show. >> Um it's the last all-Christian town in. the West Bank and it has been subject to. some of the some really nasty settler. violence and menacing activity by. settlers surrounding it or trying to. push the local community out. This is an. ancient Christian community. they they. descend from the first converts. I mean, these are this is the the West Bank is. made up of uh of uh of of descendants of.

Christ's first followers. But we've done. some beautiful coverage of Taiba that. included exclusive comments from the. residents there. Um that coverage. included uh citations of those residents. expressing well essentially alleging. that you Israeli forces were complicit. in or even facilitated. settler violence against them and. threats against them by settlers. So there's a final chapter to this.

Hours after I tendered my resignation, the Zeal website published its first. report on Taiba without my editorial. oversight and presumably. in uh in keeping with the new policy. that they had adopted on Israel. And in. sharp contrast to all of the past. reports on Taiba, there were no direct. quotations from the residents. The main source it cited was an official.

statement from the Israeli military. and that statement gave its rationale as. we are coming and declaring Taiba a. closed military zone in order to protect. the residents from settler violence. It flies in the face of everything we. the whole perspective of the local. community including by the way uh father. Bashar the the the the local pastor um. who we've quoted in our past reports. these are exclusive quotes by the way I.

got these exclusive contacts through the. v vulnerable people project and a major. part of the policy that troubled me the. most when they said we're going to be. changing our policy on Israel was zero. absolutely no more citations of the. vulnerer- People project as a source. And I'm like, they're my they're our. main source. They're a gold mine. They're a US-based Catholic apostlate. Their work has been favorably written up. by the official Vatican news portal. Um,

they have contacts with everyone on the. ground, including Father Bashar. Um, it's through them that I got these. exclusive cont com comments from Taiba's. residents. To suddenly no longer be able. to site VPP or use them as a source. and. they're offering us exclusives freely to. suddenly that's a major curtailment of. my ability to cover what's happening to. the community in in the West Bank. Um. and uh so anyway, in this report, no. quotations of local residents. The main.

quotation was an Israeli press release. from the military. And by the way, since. then I've been in in a group chat with. residents of Chi of Taiba and they sure. enough of course they told me um we we. the the general mood you know that our. sentiment on the ground is uh we are. frightened of of the presence of the new. the increased Israeli military presence. and um we don't trust it and we're. afraid that it might even lead to a.

worse outcome. um we feel more under. threat. And in addition to that, settlers are still getting through. This. is supposedly a closed military zone. The Christian residents of Taiba are. saying our movement is being restricted, but settlers are walking into our town. armed uh and not being stopped, which. presumably would be the purpose of this. closed military zone would be to check. them before they get in. Right. So, and. we've seen there's footage now of people. in Taiba being confronted by settlers.

and then the Bedawin communities right. outside of Taiba are being directly. attacked by settlers yesterday as I was. lit literally in communication with them. directly while these attacks were. happening. So, the military zone is not. working. More importantly, the residents. don't even believe it was intended to, if that makes sense. >> Yeah, it sounds like it is working uh. according to its purpose. >> It's so disgraceful. It's so evil. Um, why would the United States ambassador. to the Vatican. abet the ethnic cleansing of Christians.

from the land that Jesus walked? I I. don't I don't understand. >> I don't either, Tucker. And and I can't. um I I can't speculate beyond to say. like in a way I think that what's. happening right now, we we battle as. scripture says against powers and. principalities. Um, it would be simplistic and. unproductive. to go, okay, I found the bad guys, >> right?

>> Now, jump on my bandwagon. Exactly. Where none of the bad guys are, we're. all good. >> Um, the line, as Holen said, between. good and evil runs through the human. heart. And I just found it runs through. >> the hearts of everyone in my. organization. Right. >> Yeah. And and ours for that matter. >> And ours, right? And so the message that. I feel I want to send is more like right. now the church in the Holy Land is. suffering. And I want Catholics in. America to be intimate with Christ, to. be close to Christ, to look to Christ.

and not lose their not lose sight of. Christ on the cross and not lose sight. of the body of Christ where it's. suffering, especially. um and not allow whatever the interests. might be that would say, well, until the. elections, we need to focus, you know, downplay some, you know, like that's. just not an option for us as Christians. It's not. we have to be um focusing on. on um being in solidarity, I think. especially with our co-religionists when. they're under attack, as you said, in.

the land where Christ walked um the. birthplace of our faith. Um what could. be more important that than that? um. someone's ambitions for 2028. maybe some donors who are angling for. something in the certainly by the way. not even in the interest of the current. administration which has been outspok. increasingly outspoken by the way. against Israeli aggressions we have. Trump directly decrying Netanyahu's use. of arms in Lebanon uh where their uh. their offensive is explicitly modeled.

after their Gaza offensives and um he's. specifically calling it out for high. civilian casualties. We have Vice President Vance warning. about domestic efforts to pressure. people um to uh to to comply with is. Israel's interests. Um and we have the. Trump administration repeatedly calling. them out over annexations over the. settler movement explicitly. Um. so yeah, again I I don't if you know. what I mean. I guess I'm saying why.

would this happen? Uh because there's a devil. um not because aha I found them the bad. guys. This guy's turned bad and or you. know something like that. It's not as. simple as that. In fact, you know what I. would also say is that I would say that. especially alarming is the fact this is. all especially alarming because of how. good everyone involved is. Yes, >> there is a powerful. uh uh just outpouring of power in the. direction of keeping American Christians.

from looking at their own church where. it suffers and their own Lord and being. intimate with the people in the Holy. Land. It's so powerful that even the. best of us, you know, again, a Catholic. goat and zeal, I think, have done, I. would say arguably they've been the best. of all outlets in the US in terms of. coverage of this issue. And even they. someone even got to them. You see what. I'm saying? >> Of course I do. >> Yeah. So, to me, it's almost like it's.

not like I found the bad guys and I want. to go on Tucker show and, you know, get, you know, tell everyone how bad they. are. Um my attitude is almost more like, "Wow, this is so bad that even the best. people. um the the the who are advocating. ostensibly for the interests of of our. faith and of our Lord and of the body of. Christ are feeling enough pressure that. they're going to their editor and. saying, "Shut up." You know, like we. have to be real careful. You know, whatever they like I said, even if they.

weren't saying shut up and no coverage, even if they were saying we've got a new. policy on this one issue, that's it. That's enough for me. I'm like, no, that's very alarming. >> That is such a wise perspective and I. just want to thank you for it. Um. because it is it's it's bigger than the. story itself and it is of a piece. And. the rest of the piece is Christian. persecution and it's happening in a lot. of different places. Most strikingly in. Ukraine. um where the Bolshevik in charge has. banned the largest Christian.

denomination and not one in a thousand. Americans knows that their tax dollars. are supporting this. So I wonder if you. see this as foreshadowing of Christian. persecution in the United States. >> Uh yes and no. I mean yes. I shouldn't. say and no of course. Uh yes in the. sense of um. you know there's the the symbol that. convinced me and kept me tied to. Christianity even when I struggled most. profoundly with my faith to the point of. identifying as an atheist was the. crucifix. And it was because it looks.

like reality. Um. Christ identified himself, went out of. his way to identify himself kind of. especially with people who are not let. let in on the program, you know, people. who are uh um marginalized, who are not. respected or represented. Um and then he. died like one of them. And he said, "You. have to treat them like they're me." Um, right now I see definitely in our.

political messaging. something that is more dangerous to. Christians because it doesn't directly. target Christians. Instead, it invagles. them into complicity and attacking their. innocent neighbors who are not. Christian. And so, it's still a betrayal of the heart of. Christianity. It is not. It is a. betrayal of love and of human. solidarity. Um and it uh is a stumbling block.

to our neighbors who to whom the gospel. is meant to be good news not a threat. So right now in our messaging and. unfortunately Catholic vote has even. been again the some of the best of us. are being drawn into this. You've seen. the messaging about Muslims. We're. living in a cont We're living in a. context where we as American taxpayers. have been made complicit by our taxpayer. dollars in numerous decades of numerous. military unjust military actions. including against civilians throughout.

the Arab world most of the victims of. which yes are Muslims. many of whom are all obviously also. Christians and um there's no downplaying. the the gravity of ISIS the rise of. radical Islam and the persecution of. minorities Yazidi Christians etc. throughout the Middle East. But in the. context of this, we are part of we. helped get people elected who are. involved in horrifically unjust. We just. what what bombed a girl school in in in.

Iran based on like 1.0 level GPS AI uh. systems. Um no apologies. This is just. sort of um and uh and that's just the. latest of of of a long train of examples. of abuses, military brutality to say. nothing of our backing of Israeli. policies that have hurt people. Trump. went to the Knesset and gave a speech at. one point and he boasted of US. manufacturers providing the arms that. Netanyahu used in Gaza and then he.

turned to Netanyahu who was present and. said, "And you used them well." Um I. cried that day. It it was it was it. twisted my guts because I was I helped. get this man elected. and this is evil. But right now the messaging of Muslims. Elsed you can oppose the guy's candidacy. for numerous reasons but he said. inchelah. So he's a that's actually code. for I'm declaring war on western. civilization. I have a coworker by the.

way is a Lebanese Christian Lebanese. American. Jesus says Angela. It's a it's. it's like saying how are you? I mean. it's so common in their language. throughout the Arabic world. One person. um by the way who works for VPP uh is a. a Christian. He's a he's an expat from. Gaza and he said I says in like 20 times. a day. >> Do you know what it means literally? Do. you know what the English translation. from the Arabic means? >> God willing. Roughly. >> Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. That's God. willing. And as a Christian, I there's.

kind of no sentiment I endorse more than. that. >> that's not in conflict with my faith. It's it's an expression of my faith. So, >> yeah. >> Yeah. >> And the other thing is that, you know, the messaging on the the right, we can't. be complicit in it, man, as Christians. >> Oh, I know. >> The the the it's funny, too. I mean, there's Christian community in Dearborn, Michigan, and it's all about how they're. going to, you know, slaughter everyone. as soon as we're not looking. This is a. group of they've they've they've.

partnered with local Christians to get, you know, LGBT extremes out of schools. >> Yeah, I know. >> They're social conservatives. They're. family oriented. >> Oh, I know. Oh, I know them. Yes. I I. could And they all worked to elect. Trump, which is the irony. >> They all did. I don't I don't know. I. you know, the support that Trump got. from Arabs in the United States, ArabAmerican voters was really, really. strong. the majority. And by the way, >> yeah, >> didn't I think if I remember correctly,

Jesus spent two full days in a Samaritan. village, >> right? And I mean, you know, the. Samaritans were the enemies of the Jews. Of course, you know, they were going to. hell. They were heretics, apostates, and. Jesus lingered in their village and. brought them over to him. So, it's like. the idea that we have a moral duty to. hate Muslims. No, we have a moral duty. to love people. Period. >> Yeah. Especially people when they are. most directly under threat.

>> Yeah. >> And I don't appreciate my friend having. a crosshair put over her face because. she has a Middle Eastern last name and. because she says inela. and that's wrong. It is wrong. Christians have I'm sorry. I mean Christ. demands that we not do that. >> Right. You're right. M. >> well, I'm I must say I'm really uh I'm. impressed by your bravery in resigning, something people almost never do. Um and. I'm grateful that you did because it.

opens up your future to something else. and you're clearly on a path that this. this will help this country. So what is. your next step? >> Um my next step, if I may, is I asked. Father Bashar. I said, 'I'm about to do. an interview. I didn't say where um. that's high-profile and that will air. soon. Um would you like to say something. to American Christians? Um I'd be. honored if I could convey what your.

message is. Father Bashar is the the. pastor in Taiba and I wanted to know his. perspective on what unfortunately Zeal. reported was a a new policy of a. declaring Taiba a closed military zone. so that the IDF could protect Christians. in um if you wouldn't mind could I read. his statement? >> Oh, I would be grateful if you did. >> Okay. Um. this is uh what he texted to me.

Taiba is not simply another village on. the map. It is an ancient Christian. community rooted in the land of Christ. for centuries. And today, our people are. facing a very serious threat to their. ability to remain on their land in. security, freedom, and dignity. For months, we have experienced repeated. settler incursions onto private and. agricultural lands, fires, damage to. property, intimidation of families and. workers, and attempts to establish a.

permanent presence around our town. Even. after Taiba was declared a closed. military zone, settlers have continued. to enter areas around the village. This is why we believe that any new. military presence or security measures. must be judged by what actually happens. on the ground. Are the attacks stopped? Are our homes and lands protected? Can. farmers and workers reach their land. safely? Can our children and families. live without fear? Our concern is that. measures announced in the name of. protecting Taiba must not end up.

restricting the people who are being. threatened while failing to stop those. responsible for the violence. Protection. must mean real protection of this. community, its freedom of movement, its. property, and its future. To our. Christian brothers and sisters in the. United States, I would say please do not. look at us only as Christians who need. sympathy. See us as your brothers and. sisters who are asking for justice, dignity, and the right to remain in the. land where Christianity was born. We do.

not ask that you stand against anyone. We ask you to stand for human dignity, for justice, for peace, and for the. protection of innocent people. Use your. voices, your churches, your. institutions, and your relationships. with your elected representatives to. ensure that the protection of Christian. communities in the Holy Land is not only. spoken about, but translated into. concrete action. And please come and see. us, visit Taiba, pray with us, meet our. children and families, listen to their.

stories, and then go home and tell. others what you have witnessed. Despite. everything, our message is not one of. despair. We intend to remain. Our answer. to fear is faith. Our answer to. isolation is solidarity. And our answer. to the threat of displacement is to. strengthen life here through our. schools, jobs, healthcare, support for. young families, and especially through. giving our children a reason to believe. that they have a future in their. homeland. Please pray for us, but also. walk with us. Help us keep hope alive in.

Tiba and keep the Christian presence. alive in the Holy Land. with gratitude. and hope. Father Bashar. ah. >> Stephen Harriet thank you very much very. much for doing this interview and for. explaining it so well and for your. integrity uh in how you responded. It's. definitely a model for the rest of us. I. hope we see you again. >> Thank you sir. >> That's it for us tonight. Thanks so much. for watching. We'll see you next. Wednesday. [music].