Trump’s Social Media Advisor Reveals All: Epstein, Iran, and Mark Levin’s Israeli Propaganda

Alex Bruce, thank you for doing this. Very nice of you to do this. Um, so. here's my perception. Here's the. overview. So, we're in this war. Obviously, I disapprove. Whatever. I've. said that many times. Then the president. decides we're getting out and the vice. president articulates how and why. >> And I I couldn't be more supportive of. that. I was thrilled um by that. Thank. God.

And then all of a sudden there is this. just flurry of attacks on the president. but mostly on the vice president from. people who don't have a alternative plan. but basically just calling the vice. president is something on the president. names. It seemed to me as an outsider. less fluent in the internet than you are. that this is coordinated. Like what is. this? What are we looking at? >> Well, it's a great observation. I. believe that there definitely is a. coordinated effort for to put pressure. on the president and the administration.

to continue the conflict in Iran. Uh and. I believe that there is potentially even. foreign influence involved. Uh and and. you know not just from one country. So I. think it's definitely a coordinated. effort. You're seeing a lot of these. voices they kind of move as a pocket. They they talk about a lot of the. similar issues. uh they they oftentimes. do the similar paid media campaigns. around other related topics. Uh and. there's also uh evidence of millions and.

millions and millions of dollars flowing. to certain right-wing influencer. marketing companies uh from countries. who might benefit from a prolonged. conflict. So I believe there's. definitely a coordinated effort. Similarly, right after the war was about to end or. I guess theou was coming out. >> Yes. >> A lot of the anti-war voices were also. spreading misinformation about the deal. They were pushing a line about how. United States taxpayers were somehow.

going to give $300 billion to Iran. And. I look at people like uh Thomas Massie. who spent on this program. He was very. quick to share the statement saying that. thisou is terrible because we're going. to give $300 billion to Iran, which is. not true. It never was true. It's money. that can be unlocked over time. Not a. single dollar will come from American. taxpayers, but people like Massie were. also spreading misinformation. So, I. think that there's a lot of uh.

coordinated misinformation being spread. uh from pro-war side and also some. anti-war critics as well. Interesting. So, can I just uh get your take on. something before we proceed into the. details of what you just alleged you're. alleging things Alex Brussitz which. seemed true to me but I want to know why. you think it. Um, but first to the. question of the people criticizing. theou. >> Mhm. >> Okay. I plenty of ways to criticize. theou, but all of that criticism I think.

needs to be viewed in context of what. the alternatives theou might be like. Okay, maybe you don't like theou, but. then then what? >> Right. >> Did any of the people um. in this campaign that you're describing. offer like an alternative to theou like. we continue this war and then what. happens? >> Right. No, there's been no alternatives. offered. Um there's just straight. criticism. It's keyboard warriors. That's what we deal with. Uh. fortunately, their opinions have very. little impact on the the.

uh electorate, the populace. You know, we've seen polling from uh Daily Mail, Fabriio Lee, uh Mlofflin, all these. different polls that show President. Trump's widely popular with the American. people. 67%. >> Actually, >> 67%. And so. >> this the framework of a settlement deal. with Iran, the 14 points that have been. everywhere. >> Yes. It's 67%. >> 67% of Americans who have been pulled on.

that issue are supportive of the Trump. Vance agreement. But if you look at. social media, you think that nobody's in. favor of it because of coordinated. influence campaigns from uh unique. actors and foreign parties. Interesting. It makes you I'm not actually surprised. because again, you know, they're they're offering no. alternative to theou. So if there was.

like some way for the United States to. get more. >> um you know I could I could you know I. could see the criticism as being valid. >> So I'm not surprised by that number but. I it does make you think maybe there are. other issues where our view of it is. totally distorted because our view comes. from social media. >> Definitely. And a lot of the press rooms. they get their uh stories from social. media. uh they they get their the. producers they get what topics they're. going to discuss in their shows from. social media for sure because they think.

that is what people are talking about. and some people are talking about it but. in the grand scheme of things a very. small percentage of people are talking. actually talking or caring about these. issues um and so uh I think it's very. healthy and important for Americans in. our country to start pulling back from. believing everything that they read on. social media and start questioning a lot. of the people that they're getting the. information from. Um, and on all sides. of issues, there's a lot of influence.

and a lot of money from special interest. groups, from foreign countries that have. poured into internet ecosystem. Uh, and. and you know, I don't think it's been. healthy for our democracy, for our. country. Uh and so, you know, I've been. working actually with Congresswoman. Anapina Luna uh and and some other. friends in government to maybe. strengthen some disclosure laws. But. there's a lot of influence ops that. happen on social media. And you know, I. think for if we just continue talking.

about the the the war in the Middle. East, for example, there's an. information op on the pro-Israel side. and there's an information OP on the. anti-Israel side. >> Who's getting paid to be anti-Israel? I've been very critical of Israel. I've. never taken a dollar from anybody. We. have no investors and no debt. >> So I know for myself, >> yeah, >> I've never and I would never take money. >> to give an opinion. >> So you're not Tucker. >> I actually really like Qar a lot and I.

think the people who run it are amazing, >> but I've never taken any money from Qar. and I never would. I think it's. interesting to hear you say that there. is anti-Israel. commentary that's being funded by. foreign countries. I've never heard that. before. >> And it also might be funded. domestically. Uh and maybe uh what what. I'm not going to accuse anybody of. taking money. That's not my position. Right. >> But I'd like to I'm an expert on social. media. >> Yes. >> Early on in my career,

>> uh I started my company to help. conservatives communicate better on. social media. Yep. >> And so I would identify uh conservatives. that I wanted to work with and I would. help them grow their social media. presence often times using um some other. people's platforms, you know, Amplification or whatever. Some of those. members of Congress that I've worked. with in the past, uh Marjorie Taylor. Green, >> yeah, >> I started working with Marjorie Taylor. Green. She had 2,000 Twitter followers.

By the time she won her election that. and and entered Congress that January of. 2021, she had over 800,000 Twitter. followers. So, in probably a 9-month. period, we took her from a no-name. congresswoman or a no-name candidate to. the most one of the most followed. Republican congresswoman in America. And how do you do that? >> I must admit I'm slightly disappointed. with Marjory's recent pivot. uh you. know, I think that she was slightly she.

felt slightly burned that people didn't. support her uh ambitions for higher. office. Uh she says that's not the case. Uh but she went from being the. president's number one defender for 6. years, for as long as I've known her. She only wanted to run for Congress to. get Trump's endorsement to be Trump's. number one fan, number one cheerleader. She loved Trump. >> She loved Trump. And so I think that she. was a little bit slighted by the. president and the team not supporting.

her for either governor or senator or. vice president or some other ambitions. that she had. And I personally also. think she got bored of Congress. I think. she went in with tremendous uh. uh excitement. She wanted to go there. and make a difference. She wanted to go. there and help President Trump, you. know, build the wall and deport illegal. aliens and, you know, end foreign aid. and do all these things. And I think she. got to Washington, she realized a lot of.

those things are, you know, you know, the president built the wall and he. stopped illegal alien invasion in our. country, almost 100% since he's been in. office. But a lot of other things that. she wanted to do, when you get to. Congress, you realize it's almost. impossible. and you realize that you're. one of 435 people and you see people on. Fox News, a congressman on Fox News, they talk a tough game. Well, I can. write this letter. I can do this. I can. hold this person accountable. But you. realize the congressman doesn't actually. have any authority. So, I think she went. there having a different understanding.

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think it's obviously true that she was. frustrated as hell by Congress because. it's frustrating as hell. I don't think. she liked the leadership at all. She. said that while she was there, she loved. Trump. There's no doubt about that. They. also had sub substantive, not fake, but. substantive policy disagreements that. are just real. There's no way around. that on the war, on Epstein. Those are. real things. And I think you can make a. case for, you know, everyone's. individual perspective. But I also think. it's fair to say we just disagree.

>> And they do disagree. >> Well, I think so. You asked me how we. took Marjorie from 2,800. >> Well, how does the process work? Not. just Marjorie, but like how does the. process work? So, >> well, I want to explain that to you. So with with Marjorie for example, she pushed the limits, you know, she she. the most viral ad that we did for her. that campaign cycle, she was standing on. our front porch in Georgia right after. the Antifa riots broke out in the summer. of 2020. And Marjorie, you know, she was.

early 40s, uh, you know, little blonde. girl standing on her porch with a with a. gun. and she says, "My message to Antifa. terrorists, stay the hell out of. Northwest Georgia." And she loads a gun. That was filmed on a cell phone. Might have spent 10 minutes producing. the whole thing. That that that video. went bonkers, tens of millions of views. And then this was in the pre-Elon era of. Twitter, and Twitter banned the video.

for promoting violence. Facebook banned. it. Uh but then Fox actually to their. credit they showed the censor censorship. of h that was happening to to Marjorie. um on on the social media platform. So. she was on Fox and Friends that next. morning. She was on late night uh she. was prime time Fox later that day. She. got her accounts back and she gained. like 300,000 followers off of one. moment. >> Yeah, I was I was involved. I remember. And so and so.

she was and then a lot of right-wing. accounts started defending her. This is. terrible. Go follow Marjorie Taylor. Green. Go support Marjorie Taylor Green. These are all MAGA people. These are all. President Trump supporters. These are. all MAGA people. And I think that's why. so many people are frustrated by by her. her her pivot. And yes, she had policy. disagreements, but I think there's a. difference between having policy. disagreements and making accusations. And she's not the only one. These people. accusing the president. >> Well, I mean, hold on. I mean, I love. Marjorie, so I mean, and that's well.

known. I love Marjorie Taylor Green, and. I think she's a sincere person there. I. don't understand every nuance, but I but. I do think it's an we don't have to like. come up with we can like understand. people's motives as they explain them. And she's like, I I you know, I think. you should be doing this and. administration thinks they should be. doing that. And like, that's fair. No. >> Sure. I definitely agree. I definitely. agree that that's fair. But then there's. the extra there's the extracurriculars. There's the and it's not Marjorie. I I. don't actually speak on Marjorie for.

this, but there's a lot of these people. who used to be Trump fans and they were. up they're Trump fans up until 9 months. ago, 10 months ago. And they used the. Epstein thing as the pretext of why. they're no longer Trump fans. And I. think that's incredibly unfair. I think. the president is the only reason we have. Epstein files. Trump's administration in. the first term arrested Jeffrey Epstein. You know, he put him in bars, behind. bars. put him in jail and uh yes, he. died in jail. Do I think it was a. suicide? You know, I'm I'm probably with.

the internet on this one. But but. >> definitely not. >> But the president arrested him. He took. him a. >> off the streets so he couldn't hurt any. more people. >> And then uh he campaigned in 2024 and. people said, "Oh, well, Trump campaigned. on the Epstein Files." No, actually he. he didn't campaign on that. He was asked. by Lex Freiedman, interesting character. He said, "Will you release the Epstein. Files?" Trump said, "Yeah, I'd be. inclined to do so." And then he did it. And guys like Thomas Massie like to take. the credit for the release of the.

Epstein files. But during four years of. Joe Biden, the Biden Department of. Justice was sitting on these files. How. many times did Massie tweet about. Epstein? Zero. Not a single time for. four years of Biden. And so a lot of. people see, you know, some of these guys. now and Massiey's never liked the. president. Like Trump endorsing against. Massie in in this election isn't a. response to him being critical of. Epstein. Trump endorsed against Massie. in 2020. Trump's never liked Massie. And. you know, for he's an he's an acquired.

taste. Not everybody likes Thomas. Massie, >> right? >> But it wasn't a respon he didn't lash. out at Massie and endorse this guy. against him because of the Epstein. files. He's never liked Massie. Massiey's always been a thorn in some. capacity. and and and so there was no cover up and. I think people who suggest that there. was a cover up are not being honest. Could you disagree with the messaging. roll out, the media roll out, the. attorney former attorney general.

strategy around it? Absolutely. I wasn't. particularly thrilled about the binders. I didn't Nobody know what the hell the. binders came from. All right. But the. president did not participate in a cover. up. In fact, he's the only reason that. these documents are out and he's also. exonerated by it. There's 3 million. documents that have been released. Not a. single person can point to, oh, Donald. Trump did something wrong. You know, the. people who did do something wrong or. appear to have done something wrong are. guys like Reed Hoffman. Would I like the.

Department of Justice to go after Reed. Hoffman? Yeah, I probably would. You. know, I don't. >> How about just call him in for. questioning? >> I would. I would support that. Absolutely. >> I wonder why that hasn't happened. >> Well, maybe it will. Maybe it will. But. I think that I think that the I think. giving um control. of the government process to a handful. of hysterics on social media is bad. I. think it was bad for Epstein with the.

Epstein files. I think it's bad right. now for all of the hawks who are. continuing to press the administration. to continue. >> I agree with that. I would also say. though that the that the attorney. general at the time, Pam Bondi, gave an. interview on Fox in which she said, "I. have thousands of files on my desk that. show sexual abuse of kids." She said. that that's the attorney general of the. United States. And I've always liked Pam. Bondi. I'm not It's not personal, but. the attorney general says that and then. no one gets indicted for it. You're. like, "You're the attorney general. You're the chief law enforcement officer.

of the nation. >> What the hell are you talking about?" I. didn't hear the sexual abuse of kids. part, but I did hear her say that I have. these documents on my desk. Should she. have said thousands? >> Should she have said that? You know, probably not. >> Or maybe she should say it. I'm By the. way, I was glad that she said it. It. wasn't that she said it. I want more. disclosure. I want to know what the. government is doing. That's my right. owning government, not Pam Bondi. >> I'm a citizen. But anyway, I just. Where's the followup? If you have the. evidence, you told us you had the. evidence. Where are the arrests?

>> Well, it's a great question. you know, and I think that a lot of people uh are. asking the same thing, but the. accusation that the president was. involved in a nefarious cover up, that's. completely uh ludicrous. I think people. like Rita Hoffman should absolutely be. brought in for questioning. And perhaps. it will happen. I think Reed Hoffman is. one of the worst characters in America. Not just for that. He was also a finance. year of Eugene Carol, if you remember. her, the woman who accused President. Trump of of uh you know, harassing her. in in the 80s or 90s. Well, I'm pretty.

sure I can't prove it, but I'm pretty. sure that he helped suck me into a. lawsuit I had nothing to do with and. tried to destroy my life. I've never met. the guy. I got nothing to do with him. I. was just giving opinions he doesn't. like. So, I I'm I get it. But look, if. you want people to trust the government, we need more disclosure, more followup. I mean, that's true of every. administration, including this one. And. like, I don't know. Uh, from my perspective, it's the war. Yeah. is the war that I talked to Trump.

multiple times about Este. was like read Hoffman reassure people by. bringing the guilty to justice or at. least investigating it in a transparent. way. Didn't happen. But I didn't really. say anything about it in public. It was. the war that just absolutely. distressed me. And I've talked about it. way probably too much already, but when Trump, you know, ate this, you. know, basically said, "We're going to do. things we don't want to do because it's.

in the best interest of the country, thisou.". >> Mhm. >> No one wants theou, but it's better than. the alternative. I admired that. I said, "So, and I immediately see these people. who were like Trump's best friends, true. MAGA people, like Mark Levan and the. rest. like they're the true MAGA. You. can't get anywhere near MAGA. You don't. know what MAGA is. Like, okay, son. >> All of a sudden, they're like, Trump's a. big hit or whatever. You know what I. mean? Or JD Vance is an anti-semite. >> That's where,

you know, I was like, I thought that was. the most interesting thing I've ever. seen. >> Yeah, it was certainly coordinated. Absolutely. And. >> so, by whom? >> It's a good question. There's people. that certainly speculate. Uh, and look, I think Mark Leavvin, I think he's friends with the president. And maybe maybe he's friends with the. president, but Mark Le was a guy. >> Trump likes Mark Leavin at all. >> Mark Levin was somebody who opposed. Trump in 2016. >> Yeah. >> He actually encouraged his audience in. 2016 to stay home, don't vote in the. general election. He was a Dantis.

supporter in 2024. So, he's not like this ultra mega guy. And so, it's a little frustrating. Look, I I've disagreed strongly with many. statements that you've made recently. And so all these coordinated accounts, right, they're saying, "Alex, >> you call out Mark Levin, but you don't. call out Tucker. Why?" And I, to be. honest, I think that's kind of a fair. point. You've criticized the president. and I haven't called you out. And I. haven't called you out for a couple. reasons. >> Call me out. >> on social media because I know you. personally and I'd rather have a. conversation with you about what I. disagree where I disagree on in person.

rather than being a keyboard warrior. I. don't know Mark Levin personally. So I. have a philosophy in my life. If I don't. know you personally, I can hit you on. social media. If I don't, I'll have a. conversation to your face. >> I generally agree with that. >> So, you know, uh, early on when the war. started, there was predictions by some. voices, including you, that striking. Iran could lead to World War II. Uh, you. know, voices like Ian Carol, who's also. been on the program, predicted that we'd. put ground troops uh in Iran by now.

Those predictions haven't materialized. And so I think uh I think you know. saying that it would be important to. your to the audience. I think there's a. lot of hysterics on both sides of the. issue. Early on it was. >> the president threatened to eliminate. the civilization of Iran. So that that. would qualify as World War II. He. threatened to put ground troops on the. Car Island and mainland Iran many many. many times on True Social. I I've been. reading it for 3 months. None of that.

happened. I'm so grateful. Yeah, >> I'm not a I don't care. I don't. >> But I'll just say it didn't happen. because it didn't it didn't not happen. because of push back of voices like Ian. Carol and then they come out and they. take a victory lap and say, "See, you. know, we prevented this from Nobody's. listening to the grifters on the pro-war. side or the anti-war side.". >> Well, let me just correct the record and. say I I've I am under no illusions about. my power. I don't seem to have any power. to change any event, unfortunately. No,

I think you have a very powerful voice. >> No, I don't. >> No, I I. >> I argued with Trump for a, you know, 10. years against doing this. >> He took other counsel. That shows you. how much power I have. Zero. >> And so I was not able to prevent this. And I don't think I had any role in. ending it. So I just want you to know. like I don't think I had any effect. Well, I I just think that I I just think. that. um the hysterics started off as being.

the the anti-war hysterics, and maybe. they had reason to be. You know, the. president's position on Iran, I don't. believe has changed. For 30 years, you. can find statements of him saying Iran. should never have a nuclear weapon. In 90 days, he delivered on that. promise. He struck them. Okay. 90 days. later, says Iran will not seek nuclear. enrichment. He never wanted to do a. forever war. He never was going to put. boots in the ground. If he has to, I'm. sure he will, but I don't think we have. to. Um, but but his position hasn't.

changed. He also is against forever. wars. He's always been against forever. wars. So, I I think that doing a quick. military excursion is different than. obviously Iraq and Afghanistan and what. the neocons's fever dream is. You know, Mark Lev probably wants to send a. million American troops. >> No doubt about it. and and you know the. president is not about that. Um and so. so I think there was a lot of hystericss. who who who just didn't know don't they. don't know who the president is and they.

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headlock. He's not into it. Yeah. He's. just not into it. >> And Levin does that. And so, and the. message of course is like, you know, you're my boy. I control you, right? I. was disgusted by it, but whatever. that happens. And so, you look at it, you're like, "Okay." And then Trump. tweets like, "If you want to get the. real truth, watch Mark Leavin's lowly. rated show on Fox weekends.". >> And so, all of a sudden, he just like. pivots in one day.

>> and starts saying things that are true, in my view, brave. I'm cheering Trump. when he says this. and he's like, "Uh, we're out. This is too much. Can't deal. with it. We're going to run out of oil.". >> Mhm. >> You're not going to be able to get. gasoline. Like, that's terrible for. America. We're stopping. What caused that change? I believe he. felt the mission was accomplished. And. it goes back to the fact that he is not. somebody who wants forever wars. He's. not somebody who wants forever conflict. He felt that he was able to deliver on.

his campaign promise of preventing Iran. from ever having a nuclear weapon in a. little over 90 days. And we have the. Iranians now at the table negotiating a. deal with JD Vans and uh our team. And I. think the president is happy where where. things where things lay. And now he's. now people on, you know, Mark Levvin. crowd who were the president's biggest. cheerleaders are now opposed to what.

he's doing because they have different. they have a different agenda for Iran. They have a different vision for how to. handle Iran. Um and and I think that's. wrong. But the president's position has. been consistent for you can find videos. of him in 1987 saying Iran should never. have a nuclear weapon and he was given. certain intelligence. but how to take it out and he did and he. eliminated their navy. >> That intelligence did not come from the. United States. >> He eliminated the he eliminated the. navy. He eliminated their air force and. he has got them at the table to ensure.

that they never have a nuclear weapon. So, but this was my complaint from the. beginning, and I'm not here to defend. the IC uh or 18 intelligence agencies, but like there was no American. intelligence that said Iran was on the. brink of building a nuclear weapon. That. came from Israel, and they lie and they. lied to Trump. >> And I told him that, you know, before. this started cuz it was obvious. >> So, like, why would the United States. ever rely on Israeli intelligence again. if they just lied us into a war that got. a bunch of Americans killed and that.

raised gas prices? It was very sad to. see uh the loss of the soldiers lives. and I know the president was was. certainly upset about that. >> Uh look, I think that you know the. president accomplished his his his goal. there. Uh and with with theou I think. people are confident we're in a good. spot. I think the president obviously. will reserve the right to to respond. again with military action if he feels. like things are going sideways. Um but. look, I I think the president is now. focused the president is focused on.

domestic issues, lowering gas prices, lowering economic prices, uh bring job. opportunities back home. I think the. foreign excursions have been successful. Um and now it's time to focus on on on. home. Um you know, on the Israeli points. again, like I think this proves that the. president isn't a slave to Israel. uh. apparently. or he's broken free. He's broken his. fedters. >> You know, I don't think which. >> I support.

>> I don't I don't think the president was. ever a slave to Israel. And I think. characterizing it as as that was was not. fair. You know, uh I'm friends with uh. eight years ago, I became friends with. BB Net Netanyahu, Yayer. >> Yeah, >> he's a nice guy. >> There was a moment in time. Is. >> he fighting in Lebanon right now? >> I actually haven't talked to him in a. while, man. >> Oh, I think he's in Miami, but whatever. Okay. >> I don't think he's in Miami. I invited. him to my wedding. So for the people who. call me anti-Semitic, I invited the. prime minister. >> They're calling you anti. >> They call me anti-Semitic now. So I. invited the prime minister of Israel's. son to my wedding because you know.

>> and and he's a friend of mine. >> Yeah. >> But there was a moment in time where. >> I know him for the. >> president. after the 2020 election and you know. didn't have a great relationship with. BB. Uh BB was the first pre world leader. to congratulate Joe Biden after after. the rigged 2020 election and I think. that's made people feel you know a. little bit different uh about that. relationship.

Uh the president now is a great working. relationship with him but he's certainly. not a slave to BB or slave to Israel and. I think people who suggest that are not. being fair. I'm look, I've been unfair many times in. my life and I've overstated things. dramatically many times and I certainly. have been mean and I really regret that. So, I just want to offer another blanket. apology for my bad behavior. Those are. my main sins. But I still don't get it why if no one.

in your cabinet is enthusiastic about. this, no one in your intel services says. yes, they're on the brink of like. sending a nuclear tipped ICBM into. Miami. If all of them like that's not. true, you turn and you take Israeli. intelligence, which is like fraudulent, obviously fraudulent, and act on that. I. What is that? >> It also goes back to instinct. Again, the president has been on this position. for 30 years. And. >> we had a war in June that he said ended. the Iran nuclear program. I was I talked. to him constantly about that and he's.

like, "No, no, we're done. We're done.". And then a few months later, we're like. ramping up for another war. And I was. like, "Well, I thought we eliminated. that." H. >> well, >> you can see why I'd be mystified. >> Sure, >> slavery was the most obvious. explanation, but maybe I'm wrong. >> It's certainly not slavery. It's. certainly not slavery. I think it's the. president's instincts and the president. uh the president wanted to do it and so. he did it. And you know, there's this. report that he's telling people, I'm. president and you're not, right? So, you. know, you have people on your team.

Sometimes you listen to them, sometimes. you don't. Sometimes you take you want. their opinion, sometimes you don't. And. you know, you do it with your show. I do. it with my company. I totally agree. Well, that's clearly true. >> It was the president's instincts. It. certainly wasn't uh blackmail related to. Epstein. It certainly wasn't uh being a. slave to a foreign country. So, I think. that. >> but I felt that I respect Trump's. instincts. They made him president. twice. Um he's had an amazing life and I think. it's been on the basis of his instincts. So, I have maximum respect for Trump's.

instincts and for his understanding of. people and for power dynamics. Like the. guy has got like X-ray vision. He's not. good on details sometimes, but he's. incredibly precise in his big picture. understanding of people. and I felt that he went against his own. instincts in launching this war. He knew. the risks. He's, you know, he's not a. crazy risk taker actually. He talks a. big game. This is my analysis anyway, >> but he's not actually that reckless. really. I mean, he's been successful. You can't live for 80 years and be that. reckless, right? This was really.

reckless and I felt that it was he. didn't want to do it. I can't read his. soul. like maybe he really secretly did. want to do it. That was definitely not. my impression having talked to him a lot. about it. So then I'm like, okay, you. didn't want to do it. No one around you. wanted to do it. Why'd you do it? >> I believe the president did want to. eliminate their nuclear capabilities and. he also eliminated their ability to have. a navy and an air force and a missile. program. So, you know, he he he he did. it. And now the the excursion, I don't.

even like to call it a war because it. was a 90-day blip. and and yes, we sadly. lost some lives and God rest their. souls. Uh but the excursion has as you. know, it appears to be coming to an end. and I can't imagine that these these. hysterical voices on social media are. going to uh prolong it. So yeah, I mean. that's that's really it. I mean I've. given my we differ in our analysis of. the war, but I don't want to argue about. it. Uh what I want to understand is how.

public opinion on the question is shaped. >> and you're one of the. like the experts on this topic. >> We would love to dive in on this one. >> Okay. So, um and by the way, if you ever. discover that anti-war sentiment is. being funded by a foreign power, text me. because I'd love to know who's paying. for it, how I can get on that payroll. >> I think you're doing okay now. This. studio is great. >> It's so fun. This is our we had this. long before the show. This is just our.

family barn. But um. >> uh. so there's that. But the I certainly the. let's prolong the war on behalf of the. Netanyahu regime that does seem to be. funded by somebody because that's not an. organic position in the United States. There's not as you said 67% in favor of. theou. So like there's a ground swell of. public support for following. >> uh this lunatic path even further. So. who is paying for that? Uh that's a. great question and and for getting.

foreign influence out of the political. ecosystem specifically online is a very. it's a passion project of mine. >> Uh you know I am Trump social media guy. that's but I'm branded in the press so. you can only imagine the type of money. that these countries and other companies. have tried to throw at me. I do not take. any foreign money. I don't take any. money from the Gulf countries. I don't. take any money from India. I don't take. any money from Russia, China, no foreign. countries.

Uh, >> how much would you make if you wanted. to? >> I've probably rejected close to $20. million in contracts over the last 15. months. >> Damn. >> Yeah. >> How old are you? >> I'm 29. >> That takes some restraint. >> So, you know, it's uh I've I've had some. I've had a really interesting career. Uh. I've made some money. I made no money. I. made, you know, and I'm not really. focused on money and And I think that's. what separates me from a lot of my. colleagues or competitors if you will in.

Washington. Uh however, I've actually never shared this. publicly. In June of 2025, mid June, shortly after the first Iran. strike happened, I got a message from a. friend and he texted me when I was in on. an airplane. He said, "Alex, great news. from Israel." And I want to read the. message so I don't so I don't butcher. anything that was said at 2:47 on June.

16th, 2025. Good news from Israel. They have budget. for the American market to make a. strategy and social network against. Iran. I talked about you and they want. to work with you. It is through a. foundation. Call me when you can and I'll tell you. all of the details. I said, I appreciate you thinking of me. Likely can't get involved with this one. Good for you. So, what's in your.

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Real ingredients, zero exceptions. So, in June of 2025, it is documented. that an Israeli foundation wanted to. hire me, an American social media. strategist, >> Trump's social media strategist, >> Trump's social media strategist, to help. disseminate. information related to Iran. I never got. on the phone call, so I don't know. exactly what they were looking to get. amplified, but I didn't do it, you know, and and so.

>> what was the foundation? Do you know. >> the the foundation was never specified? Um, however, 2 months later, an organization ran run by President. Trump's former digital guy who the. president hasn't talked to in six plus. years, Brad Parcel, ended up filing a FAR contract with uh. the state of Israel for $1.5 million a.

month. a month. Uh, which. in comparison, Brian Ballard, who is. potentially the top lobbyist in. Washington DC, charges the country of. Saudi Arabia 60,000 a month. Brad. Parcell has no experience being a. lobbyist and he certainly isn't selling. access to the president because the. guy's got zero access to the president. So, two months after I was reached out. to to work on an Israeli social media.

campaign related to Iran, Brad gets this social media contract. with Israel, paid through by a German. entity called Javis Media Group. H and. I'm going to read you a part of Brad's. initial FAR filing. related to his deliverables for this. particular contract.

It says, quote, production and delivery of a minimum of. 100 root creative assets per month. spanning video, audio, graphic, and. written formats. Creation of 5,000 monthly variants of. creative. At least 80% of content is tailored to. Gen Z audiences across platforms, including Tik Tok, Instagram, YouTube,

podcasts, and other relevant digital and. broadcast outlets. Integration. Oh, here's the kicker. Integration of narrative messaging into. Salem Media Network properties and align. distribution channels. And then lastly on this section, paid. media campaigns delivering a minimum of. 50 million impressions per month with a. target average CPM under USD $2 across. the combined budget pool.

So that's what the FAR filing says. Wow. That's what it says. And so that. means that the Israeli government is. paying Brad Parckell to spread its. propaganda in the United States through. various vectors, most of whom are MAGA. influencer types. >> So it doesn't specify MAGA influencer. types actually in that contract. I just. don't know what he's getting paid 1.5.

million a month for. And the actually. the most recent report that I saw on. Twitter on X, sorry, sorry for dead. naming it. You know, it's very it's very. offensive. Uh, let's see. This was reported by. a gentleman named Nick Cleveland Stout. Never heard of this guy, but he sent an. updated filing that he found from that. shows the Israeli government is now. paying former Trump campaign manager and. Salem media executive Brad Parcale $46.

million in one year. And he also adds. for some perspective, Saudi Arabia pays. Ballard, one of the most connected firms. in Trump's Washington, 60,000 a month. >> 46 million. >> That's what it says. And. >> so who's on Salem Media Network? >> Well, so I don't want to speculate or. accuse anybody. >> No, I just because the fair filing says. we'll disseminate our propaganda through. Salem. So I just. >> That's what it says, right? >> Yeah. >> So Josh Hammer, I'm not sure if you're.

familiar with him. He's a very um. He's got a very low-rated podcast. He's. uh I think he's a columnist. He was a. big part of Josh Hammer until that he. started hassling Charlie Kirk. But yeah, >> he was a big Dantis supporter. He's at. Salem Media Network. He's one of the. loudest critics against the Iran war. >> You have people like Larry Elder, which. is surprising, you know, because Larry. Elder is typically a proTrump. cheerleader. >> Uh he's been very critical of the Iran. War. There's a lot of other of these.

radio hosts who are syndicated on Salem. who have been opposed. Hugh Hewitt. obviously, but Hugh, you know, Hugh's. always. appreciated war to be honest. So, I. don't think his positions have changed. >> So, it says right there in the contract. in this initial filing that he's. integrating messaging into Salem. properties. Salem also owns Red State. Town Hall podcast network. They also. have an influencer network. So, like I would love to know what Brad.

is actually doing with this money. You. know, there's, you know, there's uh I. know certainly the part of the project. is to help coach AI chat bots into being. more pro-Israel, less anti-semitic. Uh and and. you know, look, I think the anti I think. there has been a rise of anti-semitism. in the country. You might disagree with. me. I think anti-semitism. uh is high. It's wrong. You know, I see. some some incidents in Brooklyn. I think.

it's wrong. I think hate against any. religious group. >> I couldn't agree more. I've said that. many times. >> So, I'm not opposed to. >> opposing BB's foreign policy is not. anti-semitism. >> I'm not opposed to Brad getting paid to. combat anti-semitism. But what does that. mean? >> Well, that's it. What does that mean? >> What What are the deliverables? Anti-white hate is encoded in the US. legal code when hate against white men. is like the foundational fact of college. admissions, federal contracting,

>> hiring, and we're spending all of our. time worried about whether people are. being rude to Bill Aman. Like this is. just a misalignment. This is not. reality. Okay. So, I also want to just. add for context to the viewers and the. people who are going to clip this that. Israel isn't the only country that has. paid for influencer support in America. >> I'm sure that's right. Ukraine has paid. a ton. >> Uh, you know, there was recently a field. trip with a bunch of right-wing. influencers, if you will, who visited. Russia. So, I don't think that they paid. for that trip out of their own pocket.

>> I don't know. >> And so, you know, they went to Russia, they go hang out with the Russians and. whatever. I don't have your own. I don't. have particular issues with people. visiting a country, >> right? >> My issues lie in do you visit the. country and then change the way you you. speak about the country or use your. platform to talk about the country. Uh. you know Qar had a similar situation. during December. Some influencers who. are used to be opponents to Qar, they. flew to Qar in December and then they.

did some beautiful posts about Qar. I. also think that's wrong. My position is. if it's Israel, if it's Qatar, if it's. Russia, if it's China, if it's India, you should not be able to pay. I don't. think Qatar paid the influencers. I. think they came on a trip and then they. posted nice things about the country. >> I still think there should be some level. of disclosure around that. I don't care. what country it is, you should be. disclosing if you are in any way, shape, or form. promoting the interests of another.

different country. >> I think that's right. the my focus. recently has been on Israel. because of this massive contract that. that they've engaged in with Brad that. nobody knows what the hell he's doing. with the $46 million. >> So, I texted him to find out cuz a lot. of that money has gone to attacking me. and my family, which obviously I resent, though. I try not to think about it too. much. >> Don't want to become what they call you. But anyway, he never I know Brad Pale, I've always felt sorry for him. Yeah,

>> I still do. He's troubled man. But I did. think he would at least respond to my. text. He didn't. >> Yeah. >> So I I Have you called him? >> No, I haven't called him and he hasn't. called me. He responded to one of my. tweets. He responded to my tweet saying. that um cuz I asked him I said, "Hey, hey Brad, like what's up with this? Why. are so many Salem media personalities. trashing President Trump's war? Uh. here's here's the FAR filing saying that. you're going to integrate. messaging into Salem media properties.

And Brad responded, you know, Brad. responded to me and he said, "Alex, I actually want to thank you for. bringing this up. I don't know who. pissed in your Cheerios this morning, but what you're looking at was an. original draft, not what happened. We. never executed that plan. We never paid. hosts or influencers to say anything.". That's the beauty of FAR. The receipts. exist. Well, the only receipt that. exists right now is Brad's initial.

contract where it says point blank, we're going to integrate messaging. So, he's saying he's not doing it. So, what. is he doing with this $46 million? What? And and I. >> if you're in this business, obvious. obviously you're one of the most famous. people in the business. You're maybe the. most famous person in the business. Have. you ever heard of anybody getting $46. million from a single client? >> No. and and even his 1.5 million a month. his initial FAR filing I believe is the. single largest FAR uh single FAR filing.

for one entity in history. >> really I have no perspective okay so. that's crazy. >> if you ask chat GPT or whatever chat. platform you use I prefer Grock to be. honest you know because I trust Elon. more than I trust Alman but uh but I. asked Grock what's the largest FAR. filing for one entity to date and it. came back with some $9 million contract. that I think Nigeria paid. I don't know. what the hell Nigeria needs to do, but. you know, they paid it. So, one country, $9 million. Brad's initial contract, 1.5.

million a month. You do the math, was at. 15 million a year. Now, it's up to 46. million according to a recent report. And again, they're not paying him for. his relationships in the White House. I. don't think Brad Parcale could get a. meeting in the West Wing to save his. life. Specifically, not in the Oval. Office. You know, I I don't think people. still remember what he did during the. 2020 election, okay? And but he's going. around different countries and if you.

pull up his website, it's called. clocktowerx.com. It he spells out exactly the services. that his company offers. And so, you. know, I think that he should clear the. air on the on the services that he's. providing for these foreign countries. I'm going to go to his website right. now, clocktowx.com. It starts off with a header that says, "Narrative infrastructure. The system already shapes what people. believe. We help determine who prevails.

Elections, narratives, markets. We don't. react. We shape the conditions they. operate in." Talks about how they've had. $2 billion plus in influenced outcomes. No clue what that means. Says that they. work in 10 plus countries. They're. deployed in 10 plus countries. Uh then it says if you if you've heard. about our work, it wasn't ours. And then it gets into some of the. services that they offer.

They offer narrative intelligence. Continuous monitoring of the information. landscape to identify leverage points. before competitors. Audience. segmentation, behavioral mapping across. millions of data points to identify the. nodes that move markets. Message. testing. Here's one. Influencer. ecosystems. Manage networks that amplify. narratives through credible distributed. voices. That's on this guy's website. that he gets paid millions and millions. of dollars. >> 46 million. Yeah. >> Yeah. So right there on his website, influencer ecosystems. So I think Brad.

should, you know, if he's doing it, I think it's wrong. I. can't say for definitively that he's. doing it, but these are the services. that are offered on the website. Cross. channel distribution, performance. analytics, you know, and and and so. >> well, I must say I've noticed um that. every Salem media property that I'm. aware of has the same view. You know, more war is good. I'm an. anti-semite. You're both those are two.

lies, by the way. Not an anti-semite and. war is not good. >> You're an anti- like they all have the. same view. Now, maybe it's just that. every Salem host or influencer or. whatever they're calling themselves is. like crazy. >> in exactly the same way. But maybe. there's more to it than that. >> Maybe. Maybe. And a lot of these same. influencers have been um you know. organized against you for the last. couple for like the last year.

consistently against you for the last. year. A lot of these these this one. account per for example named Eel. Yakobe. I'm not sure you probably have. never heard of this kid but all he does. every day is he tweets about you. The. only time I see any of your clips are on. the accounts of people attacking you. >> really. >> I, you know, I don't watch, you know, similar to you, I don't really watch. podcasts. >> Yeah. >> You know, but the only time I see. people's clips are people attacking you.

Your clips are when people are attacking. you. Eyebie, I was looking this morning. >> Who is he? >> You know, just some influencer, if you. will. And non these are non-influential. influencers, I call them. But I he he. certainly is involved in he's certainly. been paid for some of his tweets. Do I. know that he's been do I know that he's. been paid for tweets against you or. against the Iran war? I can't say that. for certain.

But he was not honest. He's not honest. about tweets that he is paid for. And. then and so so would I be shocked if he. was paid for some of I don't know. But. he's tweeted about you probably 1,200. times in the Yes. in the last eight. months. >> All complimentary? >> No. No. All All negative unfortunately. for you. >> But you know, and look, I agree with. some of his criticism. I don't think. it's But I I don't see it organic. People, you know, he's one of the. loudest voices who keeps tagging me in.

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back with Joy Blok. But isn't this. exactly why we all voted for Trump in. 2016, 2020, and 2024? Because we don't. like cancel culture. >> The idea that if I don't like you, no. one is allowed to talk to you. That's a. left-wing idea. Or I thought it was. It. turns out it's like a human idea, but I. reject it just the same. But. >> Trump was elected in November of 2024. That was like 20 minutes ago. Yeah. >> And within just months, all of a sudden, you had the Josh Hammers of the world, who I'd never even heard of. >> Yeah. saying that if I don't like. somebody, nobody's allowed to talk to.

him because he's got naughty intentions. or he's a bigot of some kind or. whatever. How is that any different from. screaming racist? >> You're right. >> It's the same thing, >> right? And that's why I'm here because, you know, but are you shocked by this. though? >> Uh, what the hell? >> Yeah. I mean, these people aren't um the. most honest dealers and brokers, you. know. I'll say this. One of the people who who's been the. loudest on this issue um is actually a. friend of mine, Laura Loomer. I I I have.

not liked seeing a lot of the vitriolic. messages towards Loomer, people calling. her, you know, mean names. I know that. she dishes it out as well, but she's a. friend of mine. >> Um and and during the 2024 election, everybody kept telling us disavow. loomer, disaval loomer, she's bad news. Dissal I wouldn't and they would put. pressure on me. Are you friends with. Laura Loomer? I'd say yes, I am. Oh, do. you think she's trouble? No, I think. she's actually a very good ally to us. when she's focused. And so we I would.

never disavow Loomer. Similar. I would. never disavow you because you've been. good to me. I consider you a friend. It's okay to be uh have different. opinions. I think telling people that. they shouldn't have conversations with. people or telling people that you should. disavow someone. Um I I'm not I'm not. about that life. So, >> not just telling, but demanding. Yeah. >> That it's the price of your good name. >> That how dare you talk to this person, have dinner with this person, and if I. find out that you do, I'm going to hurt.

you. >> Yeah. >> That's the definition of witch hunt. That's what the George Floyd era was. about. That's Black Lives Matter. That's. everything I despise. >> And to see it happen among people I know. who I thought I agreed with is like the. most shocking thing that's ever happened. to me. Since when did all the neocons. just become flatout like college level. liberals? >> Uh they have been that way for at least. my entire adult life. >> I guess you're right. I I right. This is. a process of me losing my name. I guess.

>> those those particular characters. Um. but no, I I I I won't disavow Loomer. I. won't criticize Loomer. Even if I. disagree with her, I'm not going to take. to Twitter and say, "Hey, Loomer, I. think you're off base and you know, you're wrong." Same with you. like if I. have an issue with you, >> for the record, I would never attack. someone's family or daughter-in-law. >> Yeah. >> So, I think that that um I just want to. say in reference to no one in. particular. >> Yeah. >> That tacking people's families for. crimes they had nothing to do with just. because they're related to someone.

suggests a view of the world based on. blood guilt, which is not a Christian. view. It's disgusting. It's a North. Korean view. >> We don't we don't punish people's. families. >> Yeah. I think that's I think those are. low. And you know when I was I was. actually a big defender of Buckley uh. when he was facing some of those. attacks. >> But just like not having anything to do. with me or my family just in general as. a principle because what matters are. principles. It's not about what you do. to me. It's about what you do or what I. do. We're all held to the same standards. because there's one God. >> Yeah. >> And those standards apply to the.

Israelis and they apply to the Russians. and the Ukrainians. They apply to me. They apply to you. They apply to every. human being. All of us created by God. And one of the core standards is you do. not punish the innocent ever. That is. the basis of all justice. You punish. people who commit crimes. You do not. punish people who don't, no matter who. they're related to. >> The Israelis reject that view. That's. what they're doing in Gaza. They're. killing people because they're. Palestinian. The North Koreans did that. I think the US has done that over the. year. It's always wrong. It doesn't. matter who does it.

>> And I just feel like that is that. principle, that one specific principle. is the basis of our country. That's why. we welcomed all these people from random. countries. were like, you may be from a. country we hate, but like are you a good. person? That's all that matters. It's. the content of your character that. matters. >> And if we give that up on the right, then the whole country is gone. That's. all I'm saying. >> Yeah. I'm strongly against um targeting. innocent people and I'm target against. targeting family members. Yes. >> Uh and and to be honest, that's why I. find a lot of the attacks on Erica Kirk.

to be repulsive. >> I totally agree. There's a lot of people. who have made a name for themselves on. social media by spreading certain. theories about Erica. And I think Erica. is a good person. She's a friend of. mine. I've known Erica for for almost as. long as she's probably known Charlie. And I was with her a few weeks ago in. Palm Beach. And you could see that, you. know, the attacks affect her and they. hurt her, but she keeps moving forward. So I think that uh I think having. vitriolic uh targets on on families is.

certainly wrong. >> Certainly you can't punish people for. something they didn't do. Yeah. >> It's just that simple. That's why. segregation is wrong. That's why the. anti-white racism that dominates. American life is wrong. That's why. anti-semitism is wrong. That's why any. worldview that punishes people who. didn't commit a crime is always and. everywhere wrong. And that would include attacking. people's families if they didn't do. anything. >> Yeah. >> You know what I mean? >> That's true. That's why also, you know,

like the the the blanket like Jew. haters. There's, you know, there's. people who are critical of Israel and. then there's people who like tweet. things like uh totally anti-Jew things. I think the the anti-Jew the Jews. control everything crowd. I think they. are uh I think they're not the brightest. as well. Yeah, look, attacking people for things. they didn't do is wrong. Period. >> I would like this administration to take. the anti-white stuff seriously and stop. lecturing me, telling me that.

anti-semitism is the biggest problem in. America. It's not. >> You have a much tougher time getting. into the Ivy Leagues. You would not know. this from the behavior of the Justice. Department if you're white than if. you're Jewish. So, that's a fact. It's. provable that these numbers came out in. court. >> And like, it's unfashionable to say. that. I don't care. And by the way, if. Jews or blacks or Filipinos or anybody. was being discriminated in the way that. whites are being discriminated against, I would be opposed to it vocally and I'm. opposed to it. >> Well, if you look at a lot of the job. creation in our country, a lot of the. new jobs have gone to naturalborn white.

Americans uh in in the Trump presidency. >> Look, I don't know those numbers. I. don't know if. >> also I don't I don't know if I want more. Americans going to universities. I. >> I just think all I'm saying is as a. principle, this is the core principle of. America that you are judged by who you. are. Yeah. >> As a person, not by the group. >> I don't think that the administration is. overly prioritizing. the protection of Jewish community. >> Are you joking? >> I don't think that. >> Are you Have you listened to Leo Terrell. recently? That's Leo's job. He he.

>> his job. Is there a an anti black zar? Is it anti-lack racism? Is there an. anti-white racism? This is insane. >> I think there should be. You know, maybe. there should be. >> How about we just treat everybody the. same? >> So, I I agree with you on that point. But I don't think that the department. >> I don't think that the Department of. Justice. >> is think wakes up in the morning and. thinks how can we personally protect. Jewish Americans over. >> Yes, they do. Are you joking? >> I don't think. >> there's been they reached a settlement. with the Look, I just want to be clear. as clear as I've been all along that I.

oppose any kind of discrimination on. religious grounds and on secular. humanist grounds. Yeah. It's just wrong. always judge the person, not the blood. type. However, they went after Harvard. and Yale and Colombia and Cornell and. Princeton and Darly Ivy League. >> Sure, >> on the basis of anti-semitism. Well, the. extent they're anti-semitic, they should. not get federal money. I totally agree. with that. >> But everybody knows cuz it's been proven.

that the barrier at those schools is. being a white Christian male. >> Yeah. >> And no one mentioned that. Yeah. >> So, it's like, what the hell are you. doing here? You're telling me I live in. a world and have for 57 years in this. country where being a white male is a. disadvantage in official America in. hiring, federal contracting, and school. admissions and no one says anything. about it. >> That's fair. That's fair. I think that. obviously they've also prior they also. discriminate against Asians at the. >> 100% which is totally wrong. >> It it is wrong. And I mean David Hog got.

accepted into Harvard. That's how you. know that the institution failed. All. right. >> Bill Aman went to Harvard. the guy's a. >> you know, but. >> how do these people get into Harvard? >> I think that higher education totally. needs a overhaul. And I don't encourage. young people to go I. >> I of course, you know, I agree with you. passionately, strongly. But I just think. even more important than overhauling. college is reminding every American that. you're judged on your own merits. Period. And to the extent the federal.

government, we have laws on the books. We have a civil rights division that's. supposed to be enforcing this, which is. not making it a priority. I'm sorry. Sorry, they're not. And I got a call. today from someone in the. administration. We'll stop. You know, they're doing some work. It's like they. could end it tomorrow. We will not allow. discrimination in our country. Period. No matter who you are, whether you're. black, Jewish, white, Asian, doesn't. matter. And they won't do it because. their donors are single-mindedly focused. on one of many forms of discrimination, which is not the most prevalent form. So, I'm pissed and I'm going to keep.

saying this until they change their. ways. >> Well, I'm not going to tell you to stop. >> So, >> sorry. Sorry. I was just think I had. this like furious text exchange with. some of the administration this morning. like we're doing stuff. I was like this. is one problem we could actually solve. No more discrimination. It's totally. unchecked on the left, too. They're. always like lecturing about white men. >> Yeah, definitely. I mean, the the the. the left is certainly. >> the worst offenders at that.

>> Just openly racist, >> right? They are openly racist and. they're proud of it. Uh and so I think. that's why, you know, we're talking I. know that you said you're leaving the. Republican party. >> Yeah. >> Which, you know, >> I want to come back. >> I understand your frustration with the. party. I had the frustration all the. time as well. I'm frustrated right now. I'm sitting here on this podcast while. the Senate refuses to pass the Safe. America Act that that would enforce. voter ID. >> But we're doing. >> That's not hard. Why can't they do that? >> Well, maybe they don't want to save our. country. So, maybe they don't want to. save our country, but we're doing the. best.

>> Can I ask you a question? Why? That's. such an easy one. >> Yeah, >> that's a priority that I strongly share. with the administration. Like, why not. have voter ID if you're going to be a. country who chooses leaders through. elections? Like, >> right, I think this might be the most. common sense piece of legislation that's. ever come through the Senate, but for. whatever reason, there's obstruction to. it. >> But who's obstructing it? Do you know? >> Well, we have a leader in the Senate who. just can't get the job done. and maybe. he can get it done, but he hasn't shown. that he can get it done and he hasn't. really made it a priority. I think this. is a major priority for Republican. voters. It's a major rep priority of.

President Trump, who is the only reason. that we have a Republican controlled. Senate and we have a Republican. controlled Congress. And I think often. times Republicans forget that. And in in. Congress, they forget that the only. reason the Republicans have any power in. Washington DC is because of Donald Trump. and the MAGA movement. And time and time. again, Congress drops the ball. And so I. hear your frustration. That's it. Like. if you vote for Republicans, they can't. even get a voter ID law passed. >> That's why that's why the primaries are. so important and we're working in the.

primaries. We took out Tillis. We took. out Cornin. We took out Cassidy. We're. taking out some of the weakest. Republicans on our team. And so the. primaries process is where I believe. that that people like you should be. taking out your an I just think you've. gotten behind some of the wrong. candidates. I think like James Fishbach, by the way, that guy tried to scam me. James Fishbach hit me up asking me for. $50,000 into an investment fund before. he was laring as a presidential governor. candidate. >> You don't like Fishbach? But I I like.

him, but I don't know that much about. him. I just don't think that the state. of Florida should be limiting the First. Amendment, the God-given First Amendment. rights of Flidians because Israel. demands it, which is exactly what they. did. >> That's not acceptable under any sort. My. family's been here for like 400 years. like I'm not going to stand by and let. that happen without saying something. about it. Period. >> I hear you. I I hear you on that. There. was probably a different candy could. have got behind than than Fishbach. because that guy's bad news and he's not. an honest person and. >> I don't know.

>> And I think you have a massive platform. when you put your platform to use and. with you took out you helped take out. Dan Krenshaw. So I thank you for that. And President Trump didn't endorse Dan. Crunchshaw. So we've used this primary. endorsed that creepy fat guy from. Florida who endorsed genocide, who. laughed at a picture of a dead child in. Gaza. That disgusting. >> I can't even remember his name, but he's. that he was the only candid that ran in. that seat. >> Want to get someone new? Like, why would. you guy? That's why I said you got to be. a slave to Israel. >> But now we have the flip side. You have. Dan Bilzerian running. We have two.

extremes running that race. Both I don't. agree with. Okay. So, we have Dan. Bilzerian uh maybe one of the people. who's helped bring degeneracy to young. men in America more than anybody. I. don't know about that and Randy fine. You know, maybe maybe we need some maybe. we need some better choices. Florida's. been a great state for a long time. In. my opinion, it's kind of hard to f. Florida up. Florida's got low. >> It's totally possible. >> It's got low taxes. It's got beaches. It's got great weather. >> Make it crowded and you'll destroy it. >> I think that I think that's been a major.

I think that's been one issue. The. developers state this is happening under. Dantis. >> I agree. I completely look and there are. things about Dantis I really like. like. he's a very impressive guy as I mean you. know D Santis there's a lot about him. that's impressive that's just a fact. he's smarter than I am but you have to. take the big picture like you have to. care about the people who live in the. state not just people who send money to. your campaign whether it's Apac whether. worse than Apac or the you know the. strip mall developers and the people. just want to pave the state like want to. destroy nature to make a quick buck like.

those people are worse than Apac in my. opinion. >> yeah I've had some conversations with. some data center. >> you live in Florida. >> I don't think that the Flidians want to. I don't think the Flityians want major. data centers coming to their communities. anymore, but there a lot of them are. already there. >> And I've actually been talking to some. data center developers who say you. actually don't need that much land. anymore. >> And so there's concern, >> but you need a lot of water. >> There's concern from some of the data. centers that they're overbuilding that. you know few in a few years from now the.

technology will be better, the energy. resources will be uh better and so. you're not going to need a 2 million. square foot. >> Can I say one thing about fish though? Like the effort in Florida has been to. prevent Fishbach from back or back. I. don't this show how what close friends I. am with him. But um I like the guy, but. why not just have a debate between Byron. Donald's and Fishbach? >> That's a good question. I. >> So voters can decide. >> I would debate him. >> But but Byron Donald's won't cuz he's. smoking. That's. >> Well, part of it cuz he's 60 points up. Fishbach's I don't even think he can. qualify to become No one will give him.

money and no one will give him a hearing. and that's why I gave him a hearing. I. don't think that he's even qualified. like because he's not lived in the state. long enough per my understanding. >> Baron Donald is from New York. Okay. >> But he moved there 20 plus years ago. Fishbek was living in Washington DC. until just recently. >> If you want to get into people's past. and also. >> I think I think actually Fishbach is. from the state. His family's been there. for a long long time, many generations. Byron Donald's moves to Florida and like. immediately gets arrested on a felony. charge. So like that's not. disqualifying, but if as long as you're.

comparing background. >> My personal my my biggest gripe with. Fishbach is he tried to scam me. >> Personally tried to scam me out of. 50,000. >> I don't know anything about that. >> When he was pretending to be a financial. expert running different funds. >> How did you know him? >> I met him through through Twitter. You. know, he used to be he used to be uh you. know, >> buyer beware, Alex. >> He he used to be he used to be one of. the president's biggest defenders. Do. you do a lot of your your investment uh.

deals through Twitter? >> No. Okay. I don't I don't do any of. them. However, >> well, anyone who approaches you for an. investment opportunity on Twitter. probably know. >> he was a he's not just a Twitter guy, but he was a economic pundant on Fox. He. was an economic pundit on CNN. He was. the head of a, you know, different. funds, right? That's what he said. Aoria. fund. And so, uh, he also really wanted. a job with the Trump administration. He. really wanted to go work for the Trump. admin. He wanted to be on the comm uh. the commissioner for some agency and he. asked me to advocate. >> I'm sure there look you want me to.

compare this to Byron Donald's biography. which I know a lot about. I don't think. you did. >> What I'm getting the background on what. I'm what I'm getting to here is how I. met Fishbach. >> Yeah. >> And him asking me for money and then on. Twitter. >> in person we have we met. >> Did you send him money? >> No, I didn't send him money. >> Then we're we're square. >> Two weeks later though his fund shuts. down. >> Yeah. Well, >> so maybe he's not a great fund manager. I don't know anything about it. My. question is, what was he going to do. with the $50,000? >> Do you want to talk about Byron's arrest. record when he was a child or not a. child?

>> Not not a child, actually. >> He was a teenager. >> No, he was not a teenager. He was an. adult. But what whatever. I don't care. about that, actually. And all I care. about is like, are you a committed to. serving the people on whose behalf. you're going to be elected? And two, are. your ideas right and right for those. people? Who are you serving? That's it. Do you do you think. um I'm asking you not just Byron if you. think if somebody got arrested when. they're 19 or 20 years old for for. selling weed and they're now 45 or 50?

>> I don't care. >> You don't care. >> No. So. >> I'm only throwing that out because it's. like okay whatever. But no, what I do. care about I mean I guess I care. I'm. against weed for the record by the way. >> That's fair. >> But it's not even that by the way. >> I'm just throw Good for you. >> You know I totally fine with medical. cannabis. I don't like cannabis. uh you. know recreationally. >> being high all the time does not make. you better. I've done it by I smoke weed. as a child a lot and it's not come on. now. So life is amazing experience it. you know. >> but no I was just throwing that back to.

be like okay great. >> but the point is a we should have a. democracy where the people get to decide. who they vote for and they can decide. that on the basis of a maximum amount of. information about those candidates. And. so why would the Republican party of. Florida being, you know, shutting down. debate? I want to hear the issues. I. don't care so much about the people. That's why I get mad at Trump. It's. like, I like Trump. I always like Trump. I just like the guy. >> Well, speaking of debates, one of my. favorite moments ever was during the.

Republican first Republican primary. debate of 2024. And you know, we had we. had a called something called. counterprogramming when Donald Trump sat. down for an interview with a guy named. Tucker Carlson. Yeah. >> Remember that? And you guys crushed the. ratings. hundreds millions of views on. on social media compared to whatever the. the RNC debate pulled. >> Then then why do they suck up def Then. why? Here's a question that I have. I. know you're not running the comm shop. directly, but like or indirectly. >> or. I mean you're certainly involved in.

thinking through messages and how to get. them out there. Fox News like why the emphasis on Fox. News? All these Trump employee. employees, all employees all on Fox. News. It's got a tiny audience. It's. controlled by people who hate Trump, the. Murdoch. I know that personally because. I know them personally. >> And they're like against his agenda on a. core level, but no one ever gets sent. out to podcast. You're like the first. person who's been here in a long time. >> Have Have you sought out anybody?

>> Of course. >> Well, that's a good question. Um, >> but Fox News like it's irrelevant. Why. make it relevant? >> So, the podcast, that's a great. question. the, you know, we had great. success with the president going on. podcast Theo and Joe Rogan and um yours. and Andrew Scholes and I really like. these guys and they've been critical of. the admin on on issues. That's okay. I. still like them personally, but they. don't want to have. a lot of the people on anymore. They. don't make enough. They don't want to.

have the president down. They haven't. sought out an interview with the. president. And and I'm sure if they. asked, I'm sure you would do it, but. they haven't asked. >> No, but that's it's not just about the. president. I mean, he is the president, >> but also people like the admin. Like I. think these guys like. >> No, those requests got shut down. My my. request got shut down and I was like I. felt like I had been a pretty faithful. Trump supporter. Certainly like a. lionarted interview with the president. >> No, no, no. I could always I just call. him directly for that. But like, you. know, secretary of awesomeness or.

whatever. you have all these secretaries. in charge of things like get them on. Nope, can't do it. And I'm not whining. It was fine. My life turned out okay. But I don't understand the emphasis on. Fox News. Like, >> well, sometimes it's sometimes it's the. only platform that will have us on. >> Dude, that is not true. >> I mean, or CNN, for example, refused to. have Steven Miller on. >> Okay, that's CNN. But again, who cares. about CNN? Nine people watch it, >> right? >> I don't know. I I think that if you. start inviting people on the show again,

maybe they'll come. >> But why just why continue to make I mean. once Trump is gone, CNN and Fox are. done. >> Yeah, >> they're literally done without Trump to. talk about no one's going to watch them. They will probably close down, literally. And you know this better than. anyone. You're the new media guy. >> Why keep them on life support? I don't. understand. When they hate you, they. hate you at Fox. They hate you at CNN. MS probably likes you more than those. two things. Like why do this?

>> Well, it's important to get the me. message out and people are comfortable. going on Fox, I suppose. And a lot of. the administration officials, they have. relationships there, so they booked. >> No, I think that's there's some truth in. that muscle. >> Also, a lot of the podcasters, they. don't want to interview random cabinet. members. Maybe you do, but other. podcasts in I guess the podcast. ecosystem, they don't want to interview. a rank and file Republican congressman. or a senator or. >> I interviewed Ted Cruz, >> which was a fun interview, by the way, which which, you know,

>> it was for me. >> I have disagreed with a lot of what. you've said over the last, you know, year. >> One of any any takedown of Ted Cruz is. fun for me. I don't like that guy. >> But Ted Cruz's views are identical to. Randy Fine's. So, why is Ted Cruz bad, but Randy Fine is good? >> I don't say that Randy Fine's opinions. are good. I think Ted Cruz's personality. is just worse. >> than than Randy Fine. >> I do. I do. I think Ted Cruz is not a. likable guy. >> Well, that's obvious. >> And and so, do I agree with everything?

I think Randy Fine has tweeted some ugly. things. Really ugly things. >> And his views do not represent the views. of the Trump administration or my views. But I think Ted Cruz is just an. unlikable guy. And I want to share with. your audience a little story. In in. January, a few days before my wedding, I. did this Trump Accounts event, which I. think Trump Accounts is actually one of. the great programs of the Trump. administration. Every baby that is born. in America for the next four years gets. $1,000 invested in a uh tax-free vehicle.

that they can access when they're 18. And every year, the parents can. contribute to it, etc., etc. So, I did. an event uh to help introduce this this. new new initiative with the president. was there and I brought a very famous. rapper named Nicki Minaj. And Nicki. Minaj and I, we did a little panel on. stage. When we got off the stage, we. were going to go to the White House to. see the president and show Nicki the. oval and have a good time. We were walking out and all of a sudden. I hear like these footsteps running down.

the hallway and I turn around and it's. Ted Cruz and his team chasing after us. Nikki, Nikki, Nikki, please can we get a. picture? Can we get a picture? >> Nightmare scenario. >> I'm like, holy This is Senator Ted. Cruz, who probably hasn't ran in a. while. >> No, not in a while. >> Running down the hallway chasing Nikki, begging her for a picture like he was a. fan girl at a concert. And just to be fun, I said, "Sorry, Ted. We're out of time. We can't do any more.

pictures.". His face was so pissed. And he like. cornered us. He was trying to Andiki was. like, you know, I feel bad cuz Nikki's. now kind of collateral in this cuz she I. mean, she doesn't know who the hell Ted. Cruz is. And And so like I'm blocking. him from getting a picture with her. And. his team's like trying to snap angles of. it and they're all blurry pictures, but. I prevented it. And as I was leaving, one of his staffers goes, "We'll. remember this, Alex Bruitz." And I'm. like, "Ah, this is this is good. >> Hope you're on Ted's list.". >> I'm on I'm on Ted's list now. But no, I.

think I think Ted's a I think Ted's a. joker. I think that him him saying his. number one priority as a US senator is. to be a defender of a different country. I think that was a stupid thing to say. And I actually do think he believes it. though. Um, >> why do you think he believes that? >> Yeah, that's his position. That's that's. his position. I don't know why he. believes it. Uh, but I'm not a fan of. Ted. Ted still thinks in the back of his. mind that one day he can be president of. the United States. >> I don't think it's gonna happen. >> It won't happen and it won't happen. And. I think I actually spoke at the. Jerusalem Post conference a couple of.

weeks ago and Ted prides himself on. being Israel's number one defender. >> Oh yeah. >> He loves Israel and Israel so badly. >> I think he genuinely loves the country. though. But he he has hurt the country. And I. gave that speech at at at Jerusalem. Post. I said, I'm here today as an ally. and a supporter of Israel, somebody who. wants to see American is and Israel have. a strong relationship for decades to. come. And I truly believe that. And I.

highlighted how I think they're a great. battlefield proven partner. we've, you. know, uh, they have great technologies. that also can benefit American. companies, medicine, etc. And I said, however, Israel's approval. rating in America, especially with my. generation, Republicans under 30, is at. an all-time low. And that's not great. And one of the. reasons I think it's so low is not. because necessarily of podcasters who. are anti-Israel, but because of some of.

Israel's most ardent supporters in the. United States. People like Senator Ted. Cruz push people away. And this was in early June, right after. there was this idea that an Iran deal. was close and nobody knew what the Iran. deal was, etc. Ted Cruz took to a X and. he slammed any prospects of a deal. You. can't make a deal with the Iranian. regime. You can't do this. You can't do. that. Like, dude, this guy has no idea. what the hell the deal, what's in the.

deal, >> of course. >> And he's trying to get out in front of. it to trash the president and undermine. the administration. and I'm looking at this guy and if he. actually wants to help Israel, he would. shut up. So, I said that at the. Jerusalem Post conference. And mind you, these are all Jewish people with love. for Israel. They all cheered for me. after I said Ted Cruz should shut the. hell up. >> Yeah. >> And so, um, if he truly loved Israel, I.

think that he would be better ser he. would better serve them by. not constantly defending him on social. I I think that's a very wise point. And. and it's not just Ted Cruz, it's Mark. Levin has inspired more people to join. BDS than you know any campus group ever. I mean Mark Mark Levin is like a. >> he's currently trying to get me fired by. the way. >> So that's the question. It's like okay. Mark Levin um hates Trump. He's always. hated Trump. He's worked against Trump. openly for a decade.

And then Trump does something that he. agrees with and he's the gatekeeper to. Trump and Trump's best friend. Now he. hates Trump again and he's attacking. Trump. >> How long does Trump continue to be. friends with this guy? >> I don't know. You know, the president is. unique. He can handle people who who. criticize him. And you know, >> he can, >> you know, >> he doesn't think they're low IQ crazy. people. >> Only some.

>> Fair. and and uh and and look uh but but. I don't think Mark Leven was ever the. president's best friend. You know, the. president has different opinions around. him. >> He's tweeting out. Well, I don't think. Trump likes him. So, that's my opinion. >> Potentially, he was just saying it to f. with you. You ever think about that? >> It's totally that's totally possible, by. the way. That's literally possible. >> So, look, I think Mark is I think he is. part of a Republican party that has been. left in the past. um and they are.

desperately trying to remain relevant. and they use conflicts whether it's in. the Middle East or Mark Thyson for. example the conflict in Ukraine these. they use these issues to to have a. little bit of relevance to maintain. their presences on on Fox News um but. the people aren't with them and you see. it in polling again 67% of Americans. support you look at Mark Leven's Twitter. feed he acts like everybody's against it. nobody's against it except for Mark and.

his friends who are probably. coordinating in their messaging and. talking points. But can I ask you one. last question? >> Yeah. And I think that's a I think it's. a totally correct analysis and we and by. by the way I fall for it and I always. try to remind myself Mark Levin is not a. a player in any affairs. uh global or local. He's irrelevant and. his job is just like make me mad and. suck me into his fantasy world and like. I should just ignore this. and you. clearly have already figured that out.

So, good for you. >> Don't take the bait. And I. >> don't take the bait. >> And that's so real quick in a little ex. psychology. >> Yeah. >> I tell my clients, ignore the comment section. >> Yeah. You're. >> because and and. because you're not changing opinions on. X. Nobody sees something on X and go, "Oh, wow. I changed my mind on. something." X is a nasty place. It's. where you battle people. It's where it's. a war of ideas. And uh some people cheat in the war of.

ideas. They use bots. They use uh. coordinated influencer campaigns. They. they sometimes they cheat in the war of. ideas. Um but it's not a place that you. should get any like you shouldn't think. that's reality. I agree. >> because it's all manipulated. >> I agree. So and that's the final. question I wanted you to unpack. You've. alluded to this a couple of times. You. said if somebody and I'm embarrassed I. forgot who you're referring to. You. said, "I know that this person Oh, that. Yakobi kid.". >> Yeah.

>> I know that this person has taken money. for other opinions and not been honest. about it. That's almost exactly what you. said. What were you referring to? >> Well, there's a few different tweets. that uh you know, he's he's posted. about. And to to his credit actually, he. I did see a paid partnership post. underneath this one. But in the Georgia. in the Georgia most recent Georgia. election, he was paid to go. >> country or state. >> uh state for governor. >> Yeah. >> He was paid to go after this guy named.

Rick Jackson. And it says Rick Jackson brands himself. as aligned with conservative priorities, but his businesses tell a different. story. DEI initiatives, diversity. focused leadership and roles supporting. gender- related procedures. Voters. should look at actions, not slogans. And. right at the bottom, it says paid. partnership. And then right above that tweet is. another tweet that's very similar in. language, but it didn't say paid. partnership. Was he paid for it? I don't. know. Uh but it certainly looks like it.

And here is the talking points that went. out by a company. that word for word spells out. what he wants what what Yakobe ended up. tweeting messaging. Rick Jackson claims. to want to ban DEI. His own company has. a track record of advancing the ideas of. DEI. So, all these influencers were sent. this memo here as you can see. And then.

I did a screenshot, put it side by side. with Yakobe's tweets. It's verbatim and. the company that was hired for this. project just happens to be associated. with Brad Parcale. So, you know, >> so it looks like you don't have evidence. that this kid is working for Brad. Parcale. >> No evidence of that. >> I notice. >> for for the Iranian campaign. >> For the Iranian campaign. So I I notice. um on those rare occasions when I like. look at the stuff cuz it it it's. designed to make you mad and limit your.

ability to think clearly. So I really do. try and stay away from. X and cigarettes cuz both are just so. addictive. But uh but I break down. occasionally. And I noticed that there. are people who are constantly sending. these long tweets about how we need. endless war who are also promoting like. some very specific kind of car insurance. or. >> Yeah. >> What is that? >> Yeah, that's another one. This girl uh. Aryan Wexler. This girl.

>> who is that? >> That's a great question. Nobody knows. She came out of nowhere in in 23 24. >> What is her name? Arian. >> Aryan Wexler. >> Aryan. >> Yeah. Nice name. >> Kind of a suspicious name. I don't know. about that. You know, she's a and she's. a pretty girl and she she started. showing up at conservative events and. she got put uh I got introduced to her. on the campaign trail. She really wanted. to get involved with the Trump 24. campaign for whatever reason. But the. girl sused me out. You know, I'm very. suspicious of people who come out of.

nowhere and they have a big following. almost instantly and but nobody knows. who the hell they are, you know. And so. she really wanted to get involved with. the Trump 24 campaign. I said no. you. know, it never actually never even. entertained her. Uh, and I would text I. actually texted some of my friends. I'm. like, "This girl is she a fed?" You. know, and you know, I don't know if I. don't think she's a fed, but. >> fair question. There's a lot of that. >> But she she came she came out of. nowhere. So, >> you know, she's one of your biggest.

critics on social media. >> One of yours. Absolutely. So, back to. this uh Wexler chick. By the way, like I did see something. that you were on a podcast yesterday. You said you think Israel killed Charlie. Carter. >> I did not say that. >> What was I did not say that? >> Okay. What was the clip that. >> I said um I've never said that. >> Okay. >> I know a lot of people including in the. Trump administration who think that. However, >> uh there's no proof of that. >> Yeah. >> What I said was two things. One, I don't.

know when the command came down and from. whom that we have to trust everything. federal law enforcement says, but I'm. not obeying that. We have a moral. obligation to push federal law. enforcement to do the job we pay them to. do, which is to investigate the crime. the crimes fully. And so, for example, if there are people who predicted. Charlie's death on Twitter, I think the. rest of us can expect that they've been. hauled in by the FBI for questioning. I. don't think they have been. So, I. >> I don't know about that, but I I I do. know what the disc what you're talking. about the Discord chats. >> No, I'm talking I'm specifically talking. >> Tik Tok. >> I'm talking about the Twitter posts. >> that seem to predict Charlie's death.

Maybe that's. >> I think Yeah, I would I I don't know if. that's been investigated. I would love. for that to be. >> so that so that's number one. Number. two, just because someone is shot by one. person doesn't mean others weren't. involved and don't like berate me into. accepting that assumption because I. would never accept that. Why would I. assume that? Um and three to tell me. that you know the motive before the. trial even starts that he was killed for. his views on transgenderism. Maybe he. was. Maybe it was more complicated than. that. How would you know? You don't.

know. So stop yelling at me to accept a. conclusion that you can't prove. >> I I hear you. >> Why would you do that? This is my. friend. I'm not There's And by the way, if I was murdered, I would expect people. who loved me not to jump to unwarranted. conclusions, but to press federal law. enforcement to do its freaking job. Yeah. >> And stop calling people names because. they're asking you to do your job. >> I think a lot of people did jump to. unwarranted conclusions. >> I don't know if it warranted or not. And. um you know right after the. assassination many people were with big.

big platforms not you were saying that. Israel was behind it. >> Many people big platforms were saying. that he was killed for his views on. transgenderism and we don't know that. actually. We don't know anything. >> but Charlie was killed as he was talking. about transgender and this guy Tyler. Robinson seems to be in love with. transgender people. >> That may be absolutely true. For me, and. I think a lot of Americans, that seems. like the most plausible situation. >> But you're never going to catch me. saying, cuz I don't know it, that Tyler.

Robinson wasn't involved. I'm merely. saying to foreclose the possibility that. others were involved is irresponsible. and then to attack other people. >> Yeah. I'm certainly not here to attack. you or. >> No, no, you're not doing it. I'm just. saying like, >> and it's interesting the people who have. been like I've been a journalist my. entire life. I'm not proud of that. because journalism is pretty gross in. the way that it's practiced in this. country as you've just proven. I mean, you've tell us like how fake a lot of. the stuff is. >> But the basic process of journalism is. not so different from the process of.

gathering evidence in a a criminal. investigation, which is you like all. leads should be run down that are not. utterly preposterous. >> And if you're not doing that, then I. have a right to ask why are you not. doing that? And if Joe Kent, who until. the day he left had highest level. security clearance in the Trump. administration, if Joe Kent says, "Hey, I referred these leads to the DOJ and. they ignored them and then got mad at me. for referring them." What the hell is. that? And if no one can answer you other. than to call you an anti-semite, I'm. like, that's not a real answer.

>> Yeah, I don't think Joe is an. anti-semite. And. >> no, me I'm like, >> yeah, I don't think you're an. >> I'm not alleging Israel did it. I can't. prove that. But that well then so then I. guess that is an example of a clip of. yours that was being taken out of. >> Israel did it. >> That was the message yesterday and. that's what I saw. And so. >> so it's just interesting that I will say. this. It's interesting that all the. people who are telling you to shut up. and accept a conclusion that hasn't even. been reached in that court yet. They're. all neocons. So why is that? What is. that? Where who's running that campaign?

Talk about a campaign. And I as his. friend. here's what I want. I was just and I've. said it to the folks at Turning Point. who I talk to, who I like in some cases. No, everybody who loved Charlie has an. obligation to push for the most. rigorous, open-minded, exhaustive. criminal investigation possible. And if. you're not doing that, why are you not. doing that? >> That's fair. >> And I had this conversation and I called. people at the FBI directly. I'm not. being paid to do this. I did because I.

love Charlie Kirk. >> And it's like, what is this? And they. didn't give me a good answer. Did you. see that recently at the court hearing. that they're not making Tyler Robinson's. lover testify? They're basically giving. them spousal privilege. >> Yeah. What is that? >> That's a great question. And I think. >> And who's this guy who jumped up and. claimed credit for the murder seconds. after it happened? Who's that guy who. all of a sudden gets busted on kitty. porn charges and we can't talk to him? >> Like I don't know what this adds up to, but I know weirdness when I see it. And. by the way, is there not footage of. Tyler Robinson pulling the trigger? Apparently they say that there is. No. one has seen it who I know, including.

high level people who have asked to see. it, haven't seen it. Why? I'm not saying. it doesn't exist. I'm saying why are you. acting like this? >> Sure. But I think it's and I I I trust. you that you weren't saying it was. Israel, but some people have definitive. have definitively said that and I think. that's also reckless. And so. >> have said it's Israel. I'm not I I trust. you that you said I trust the clip. I I. don't. >> but if I had proof there was Israel, I. would just say so. >> Right. People have speculated that. though and have definitively said that.

Not you, others. I think that's reckless. and irresponsible and does a disservice. to to the investigation. I agree that we. should 100%. >> the investigations. the way that it's unfolded has allowed. the space for all of the speculation to. take place. >> Sure. >> And that is. >> also the new media environment, the new. social media ecosystem. >> But it's just funny. Everyone's mad at. the podcasters for it. The the. podcasters. You've got a freaking. Department of Justice that we pay for. billions a year that has the right to.

shoot you. They have unlimited police. powers. They can tell you any lie they want and. it's fine. If you lie to them, it's a. federal crime. They have all the power. Yeah. >> Therefore, they need all the. accountability as far I mean, that's. just like kind of how it works. >> And no one seems to be mad at the FBI or. the Utah state authorities for not. answering simple questions about this. stuff. And if you can't answer a simple. question, maybe there's a good reason. What's that reason? Shut up, anti-semite. I'm just not going to take that under.

any circumstances ever. >> Well, right now what it seems like. though, at least in the the right-wing. media ecosystem, >> you know, I agree that we should have a. thorough investigation. Half the side or. actually more probably more than half. the side says Tyler Robinson did it and. then there's a pocket of the internet. >> that def like personally 100% says. Israel did it. And I think that, you. know, want to have the tiebreaker with. the DOJ giving us real information on. this and answering the question. And I. actually called the as I told you I'm. going say it again. I called the FBI. highest level. Have you guys interviewed.

the people who appeared to have. fornowledge? We've got that covered. Have you interviewed them or not? Like. this is this is just a common sense. question. Couldn't get an answer. Maybe. they have. >> I saw some Tik Tok posts the day before. Charlie died that basically said, "Oh, Charlie's going to regret coming here. and. you know we're certainly aware of of. those posts and. >> so that should be but aware of Yeah, everyone's aware of it. was on Tik Tok. and Twitter, but have the people who. posted those things been interviewed? If.

I go on TikTok and threaten the life of. a federal official, I get an immediate. >> visit from the FBI. Immediate. And I. should. I get it. I'm not against that. Have these guys received visits from the. FBI? And last time I checked, the answer. was no. >> So, I think it's totally fair as a. friend of Charlie's or just as an. American who who believes a justice has. to be done to demand an answer. And I'm. not going to be deterred from having. people scream Candace Owens anti-semite. in my face. I'm just not ever going to. be bullied by that under any. circumstances cuz why would I? Do you.

see what I mean? >> I hear you. I I just think that jumping. to to your point, jumping to conclusions. could be reckless. And. >> well, a lot of people are jumping. conclusions that Charlie Kirk was killed. because of his positions on. transgenderism. That's jumping to a. conclusion. We don't know that. There's. been no trial. >> But there was the the letter that was. picked up, right? >> Okay. But what do we know about that. letter? Nothing. That was a press. release. >> There's more evidence leaning towards. transgender issues. >> Show me all the evidence. >> So, and that's what we're having at. court here, right? >> That's what exactly. So, but.

>> hopefully hopefully some of these. >> both sides are jumping to conclusions. Anyone who says, "Shut up. He was killed. by the trainee.". >> I think what makes I think what makes. the whole process worse though is social. media. >> They jump for. >> That's why I haven't tried to stay out. of this. >> And you have your teams and you have the. clashing opinions. But how did it wind. up? How did Charlie Kirk's murder wind. up a contest between people with. different views on foreign policy? I. think that's the weirdest thing I've. ever seen. >> Good question. It's a good question. I.

think a lot of people are nefariously. using Charlie's passing for self gain. And I think that's wrong. >> But also for ideological ends and. foreign imperatives. Like that's really. clear to me. Like how did this become. about that? If it's really just about. transgenderism, then why is every person. insisting it's only about transgenderism. also attacking theou? >> Like what what are we looking at now, Alex Bruce? It's like I don't know. >> I'm a medium IQ person, maybe even a low.

IQ person, but I'm just like noting. what's happening and asking what does it. add up to? And I don't know, but it's. weird. >> I hear you. I hear you. >> You should be a shrink, man. you have. such a like a calming I hear you. >> So I know I think that uh the whole. thing was was was terrible. I remember. where I was when when he got shot. I was. actually in a meeting in Washington DC. and I got bored in the meeting. So I. started looking at my phone and I saw.

Charlie got shot. I'm like what the And. I once I saw the footage I actually. started crying because. >> I did too. >> I thought there was no way that he was. going to survive that. >> I did too. And um look, it was it was uh. it was tough and the aftermath has been. even tougher. And you know, I think that Erica gets treated. incredibly unfairly by the media, by the. pundit class. I think she's got such a I. mean, a tough thing going on for her.

>> It's the worst thing I could ever. >> And you know, she wanted to be strong. And you know, Charlie Charlie put on a. show. Everything he did, he put on a. great show. Yeah. >> And people are criticizing Erica for. continuing. in Charlie's footsteps with the. fireworks. >> I haven't read I haven't read a word of. that. >> I think it's been I think it's been. honest with you. >> I think a lot of it's been pretty uh. unfair. I think they asked some fair. questions. Um but I think the treatment. of her generally has been horrible and I. think people should apologize to her.

>> Well, I I was texting with her yesterday. and uh about Yeah. So, whatever personal. stuff, but I Yeah. I There are few. people I feel sadder for than her. >> Yeah. >> Because the fact is, no matter where you. are in anything, here's a woman who's a. widow with two small kids. >> Yep. And those two small kids just uh. had their first Father's Day uh without. Charlie. >> I'm aware. Yeah. No. >> And No, we want justice for Charlie. And. >> we should be demanding it. >> Yeah. But I think it's a disservice. >> to use him for political gain or for.

gain of viewership on their podcast. It. was a disservice for Netanyahu to make. it about Netanyahu, which he did. >> That was a unique press. Yeah, I didn't. I don't think that was necessary. You. know, that's one guy. I think. >> I think he's chronically online. I don't. think there's anything overtly. nefarious. I think BB's chronically. online. Really? I think he very much. cares about the sentiment about him on. social media in America. That's why he. saw and and he has the problem of people.

that are chronically on. Ronda Santis. was chronically online. We took we took. advantage of him for being chronically. online during the 24. >> personally checking his phone scrolling. seeing what people say about him. >> Really? >> And if you remember De Santis really had. a moment when kind of Trump was kind of. in no man's land after the 2020. election. >> Yes. >> Dantis started having his moment and. what he would do is he would see what. was trending on right-wing X that day. The next day he would do a press.

conference. >> here. come on my show. >> or go on your show addressing that issue. >> and it made him seem like he was one of. us when in reality he was just reading. what we were talking about and then. taking action. >> No, that's smart. It was a good. political point. >> No, it's totally right. >> But he was chronically online. And so in. 2024 when he ran for president, we. muddied the water for him. Every time he. looked on Twitter, people like me were. tweeting about his boots and his choice. of footwear or the makeup he was using. that day. And we made X a place for him.

that he didn't like and he kind of lost. his mojo. He couldn't really figure out. what's in his head. >> So we got in his head. >> Live by the algorithm, die by theorithm. >> I think BB, >> you know, there's theories about him. that he's this grand mastermind of all. >> No, no, no, no. >> I think he's chronically online. >> He's a day trader. I totally. >> I think he sees what people say about. him on social media and he reacts to it. And I think that's when you're the world. leader. I think it's terrible. And. that's why I love the president for not.

feeling the pressure from the chattering. class on these issues and he's not. hearing it from the chattering he's not. hearing he's not taking the opinions of. these paid influencers who want the war. to continue. >> I think that's great. I but I also think. you know you need to synthesize your own. opinions with those of the people you. represent. >> Sure. But care about gas prices more. than they care about the who cares about. the Iranian nuclear program. Like talk. about getting in people's heads.

Convincing Americans that the Iranian. nuclear program is more important than. gas prices is like the craziest. >> I don't think ex pundits are a place. where you can where I don't think X is a. place you can get the sentiment of the. American. >> I totally agree with that. >> But public opinion polling over you. don't have to respond to every poll of. course. But like where President Trump. gets his opinions from is when he goes. to Pennsylvania where he went to a truck. factory yesterday. Well, Miriam Ad also. calls. So, like, that's bad. I'm sorry. It's bad. >> I think the president takes more uh.

direction from the Patriots who showed. up at the Pennsylvania rally yesterday. for him than his donors. >> Well, he I think he ha has. And that has. been his great strength. That has been. his great strength. And everyone would. always make fun of Trump for doing these. endless rallies and giving endless. speeches or whatever, but I always felt. and I didn't want to watch them all. because there just too many of them. But. I always felt like it was important for. him. It was like he loved it for one. thing, but it was he he could feel the. energy from the crowd and like their.

interest. You could gauge people's. interest by their response to your. lines. >> Yeah. >> Super important exercise. >> Well, I encourage you if you like those, I encourage you to watch as many Trump. rallies as you can because they're not. going to be here forever. And you know, actually, >> I've been to a lot of Trump rallies. One. of the things uh I I regret now in my. life is Charlie and I both spoke at this. Charlie Kirk and I we both spoke at this. event in South Korea. I spoke before him. and I was tired. You know the jet lag. >> Yeah. >> And Charlie was about to go on stage and.

he's like a you stick around. You watch. me speak? I said no I got to get out of. here. I got to go. I mean I'm tired and. it was Charlie's last public speech and. I didn't you know stick around to watch. it cuz I was tired. So you same with. Trump. You know look Trump is not. perfect. I think he but I think he is. the best that we've had at least in my. lifetime. And I think he loves the. country. I think he loves the people of. the country. I think he genuinely cares. about the people that he goes out and he. he he wants to represent in Pennsylvania. and Wisconsin and and uh Ohio and.

Florida. I think he genuinely cares. And. do we have the greatest team around us. in the Republican Congress and Senate? Absolutely not. But we have two years. left of the Donald Trump experiment. And. if the Democrats win, that experiment's. going to be muddied by impeachments and. And so, you know, I do. encourage your audience to to uh get. involved in the primary process as much. as they can. If they don't like the. Republican who's currently in office, go.

get somebody that that you do like. But. we have two years left of the Donald J. Trump experiment in our country. And uh. I think people are going to miss him. when he's gone. I want the last two. years to be wholly focused on the United. States and not on Netanyahu's concerns. or Silinski's anyone else's concerns. Like that's kind of your problem and you. know we don't hate you but like deal. with your own. >> No, we were having a discussion before. this about Latin America. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> I think it's exciting what's happening. in Latin America. Totally agree. and and. administrations before this one were.

more focused on the Middle East and. countries that were thousands and. thousands of miles away while while our. own backyard has been suffering and and. because of the suffering in the backyard. all of these illegal aliens came into. our country. >> You don't need to tell me, man. That's. why I'm so mad about the Iran war. This. administration this administration has. prioritized. >> strengthening some of these countries. not not at not at the cost of hurting. our country but but helping these.

countries become more stabilized become. more economically strong because if they. have if they have strong countries the. migrants aren't going to come to our. >> focus on the hemisphere I mean you're. >> I think that preacher acquired no doubt. >> so I think that I think that the the. president has been more focused on this. hemisphere than that. Despite the. excursion there, um he's certainly more. focused on on domestic policies and I. think that as we get to the next four or. five months of of uh you know, as we.

ramp up into the midterms, you're going. to see a lot more of his domestic. >> Last question. Can you ask him to just. stop listening to people who don't like. you, don't have your best interest or. the nation's best interest at heart? just ignore those people whether it's. whatever Mark the as you called him or. Mark Levan as I call him or the Murdoch. or whoever people who are just like and. just return to the concerns that you. know your voters love you for caring.

about you know. >> did I say thesis incorrectly. >> I don't know who even care like what is. that thing. >> I've I've I've never heard of this guy. except for when I see him on social. media I don't know what he does green. like I I think that the president hears. the opinions of as many people as. possible and he'll ask if the janitor. was in the room, he would ask the. janitor about his opinion on a topic. You know, he doesn't, you know, he's got. his adviserss, he's got his cabinet. members, but and then he has the public. sentiment. He goes to a rally and he. pulls the crowd. Do we like Sleepy Joe.

or or uh uh Crooked Joe better? You. know, he he and that's a that's a cute. example, a silly example, but he feels. the energy when he says something in a. speech. He can feel. >> Let me ask you if the janitor and I love. that about him and I try to be that way, you know, just like. >> yeah, >> keep your filter coarse so you get a lot. of information then wow through I text. with janitors literally I I'm with you. on that. But if the janitor says to you, I got a hot stock tip for you. Take $500. million and you know go into this IPO.

and the IPO tanks and you lose all the. money next round you're not taking. investment advice from the janitor. You're like, you cross him off the list. of people to consult. >> for investment advice. >> If Mark Levvin and Mark Tissson and Sean. Hannity and Rupert Murdoch all come to. you and like I've got a great idea, regime change want to run. All you got. to do is kill the Ayatollah. The place. will collapse. They're going to put some. pro-Israel, pro-America guy to run the. place. You're like, okay, you do it. Doesn't work. You got to have to cross. them off the list of people to consult. for future foreign policy advice. I.

don't think it went down exactly that. way, but I but but. the president seeks out counsel from. many people and he doesn't take the. opinion of one person to make a decision. on that. And so, but I do hear what. you're saying. I personally don't want. any advice from Mark Leavvin personally. And I think he's incredibly uh unhelpful. to to the country. I don't think he's. brought any voters to the Republican. party. I think he pushes people away. from the party.

And but but it's it's not up to me, you. know, and and you know, then there's. people on the other sides of issues that. I also should think have no say because. they're crazy they're crazy the other. way. But again, it's not up to me. And. so, you know, the president, I think. what's so great about him is he's. willing to have conversations with. people. Does he act on everything that. people tell him? No. Sometimes, you. know, he might be more aligned with that. group. Sometimes he might be more.

aligned with the way you think, but uh. he he's the president for everybody. He's focused on doing in his opinion. what's best for the American people. That's his focus. Um and so, you know, we get the fun part of just being. cheerleaders on the sidelines for. whatever the hell we believe in and want. to do. So, you know, that rides, you. know, the Trump experiment's gone in two. years and I think we're all going to. miss it. So, I encourage you even if you.

disagree with him on something, even if. you if you don't like what he's doing, you I know you still love him. personally, just remember that two years. from now, he's gone and we're going to. miss him and we're going to be. complaining that the whole process is so. boring again because everybody. before Trump was so boring. >> Unless it gets way more exciting in a. bad way, which I'm against. Who knows? >> Who knows? >> We'll find out in two years.

>> I I really appreciate your breaking the. embargo and coming to see me. It was. great great. Thanks. All right.