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A couple of years ago, leaked internal. documents from Apac showed that the. single largest donor to the. organization, the American Israel Public. Affairs Committee number one donor was a. man called Leoned Riddinski. Rinsky was. a Ukrainian-born pornographer. He was. the owner of Only Fans, one of the. largest porn sites and human. exploitation sites in the world, a site. that has effectively turned thousands. upon thousands of American women into. prostitutes.

And according to these documents, Riddinsky and his wife had pledged $11. million to Apac. Huh. He later denied. that, but the documents remain. And you. had to ask yourself, and many people did. ask themselves at the time, why would. someone who runs a pornography site. donate this much money to a pro-war. organization, a neocon organization like. Apac? What's the connection between the. two? Huh? Then of course it was that same year. 2024.

that Miriam Adlesen became one of the. biggest donors to the Trump campaign, hundreds of millions of dollars. Now. Miriam Adlesen is not in the pornography. business that we know of, but very much. the beneficiary of the gambling. business. Her late husband was one of. the largest proprietors of casinos in. the world, Sheldon Adlesen. and she. became one of the biggest donors and. partly because of those donations became. one of the driving forces behind our war. with Iran and also immensely powerful. within this administration. In fact,

literally one of the people who picked. employees of the Department of Justice, Mary Mson, call up PO, presidential. personnel office at the White House. I. want this person at DOJ. Bam, that. person gets a job at DOJ. That happened. But again, you have to ask, what is the. connection. between pornography, in that case, gambling, and neocon politics? You wouldn't have thought there was one, but the connection keeps showing up.

Here, for example, is a pretty amazing. and telling clip from Ben Shapiro's. recent podcast. Watch this. >> In my opinion, as I said at the time, I. thought theou was counterproductive, that it signaled weakness, that it. actually gave credibility to the Iranian. regime. Well, now things are starting to. reverse. You have Operation Economic. Outcast led by Secretary of the Treasury. Scott Bessant. The goal is to. economically strangle the Islamic. Republic. So, the odds have been. steadily going down about when we will. actually have full traffic in the street. of Hormuz. According to our friends and.

sponsors over at Khi, but they are. rising actually rather sharply recently. before April 1st of 2027 is now up to. 42%. Before July 1st of 2027 is up to. 53%. Honestly, I think we'll probably get. there before that. >> So, that's a pretty amazing clip. Here's. Ben Shapiro. And if you see the whole. show, he spends a lot of it, as he. always does, pushing the United States. to send more money and well, more of our. American soldiers and airmen into harm's.

way, fighting Israel's war in Iran. And. then he kind of seamlessly moves to a. pitch for Khi, a gambling company with. with whom he's a partner. Apparently, not only am I excited about the war, he's effectively saying you can bet on. its outcome here. Sign up now for. Kelshi. So, here's Ben Shapiro using his. daily lecture on why war is good when. it's fought by Americans on behalf of a. foreign country to.

seamlessly pitch a gambling company. If. war wasn't good enough, how about some. gambling for you? Why not pornography? Why not weed? Here's some prescription drugs. Well, of. course, virtually everybody who pushes. for wars like the war in Iran or the war. in Iraq or toppling the Syrian. government or killing the leader of. Libya, that group, we call them. neoonservatives,

almost all of them are on board with all. of these other public policy questions, every one of which has the net effect of. hurting Americans, weakening people. So, what's the connection here? There. clearly is one, and we're just guessing, but maybe the connection is. exploitation. So, the idea of the Iran war, like the. Iraq war before it, was we use the. world's best funded military backed by. the world's most powerful economy to.

fight a war on behalf of another. country, a tiny country that can't fight. its own wars. In other words, take the. United States and use it for our. purposes to achieve something that we. can't achieve ourselves. Basically, treat the population of the. United States, the 340 million Americans. who live here like livestock and just. use them. And that's really not so different from. the attitude that I don't know gets you. to buy Only Fans or promote gambling.

companies or push legalized weed or. prescription drugs on the population. None of those things is good for people. And of course, you know that. you would encourage your own kids to. spend all day bedding on their phones or. smoke more weed. You probably wouldn't. want your daughter and only fans, would. you? But these aren't your kids. These. are other people's kids. These are. American kids. And why do you care? because you can get something out of it. So that's a worldview that most normal. people would consider repugnant.

repugnant. That's exploitation. It's. cruel. It's awful. It reveals that you. think the people from whom you're. profiting aren't fully human. You don't. care about them. You just want to take. something from them. Most people. consider that immoral. But increasingly there's no sanction. against it. In fact, you're criticized. for pointing it out, but it's so. obviously true. And you should know that. the same people pushing for these wars.

whose outcome can't possibly benefit. you, your only role is to go die in. their prosecution or pay for it, face. the consequences long-term. Bankruptcy, destruction of a generation, that's your. role. The people pushing for those wars. don't care about you at all because if. they did, they certainly wouldn't be. steering you to gambling sites or. getting your kids to smoke more weed or. convincing your daughters to join Only. Fans.

So, we're just starting to notice this. because it's kind of hard to ignore. The. president's top donor runs a gambling. empire. Ben Shapiro's shilling for. gambling. The guy who owns Only Fans is Apac's. biggest donor. Maybe there's a. connection here. Very few people have noted that. But one. of them is a man called Sager and Jetty. Now we know Sager actually hired Sager. out of college years ago. And what set. Sager apart was not simply that he was.

smart, but that he didn't, and this was. almost 15 years ago, have any real. interest in the partisan system. He. thought it was fake back when most of. us, very much including me, bought into. the idea that this was a war between two. parties and differing worldviews. And of. course, that wasn't what it was. We. learned February 28th that in fact the. parties are aligned on the basic. questions. And the rest of us are. encouraged to argue at the margins to. preserve that lie that this is a real. argument when in fact they're colluding. against us. Sager and Jetty realized.

that many years ago and so he left. conventional journalism and has wound up. running something called Breaking Points. which is an excellent show that he. co-hosts uh on all social media. platforms. We strongly recommend but. maybe because he doesn't have a. conventional worldview. He is one of the only people in all. media to point out that actually. gambling on your phone. Digital gambling. is utterly destructive of people. It's.

incredibly addictive. The odds are. abysmal. In fact, there's almost no. chance you can win. And it is growing at. a pace that has eclipsed all other forms. of entertainment. And one of the reasons. Saga and Jetty has been able to point. this out is because he's one of the very. few people in media who's not taking. money from gambling interests and we. share that with him. We are strongly pro. dog on this show. We make no secret that. dogs are one of the great blessings of. this life. And to keep them healthy, we.

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from the question of gambling. I think. of it as something that takes place in a. casino. >> Craps and. >> blackjack and pie gal and. >> whatever. >> Um, but suddenly it's omnipresent. And. I'm wondering if that's good or bad. >> Well, I think it's very bad. And I'll. just set the stage. I wish that we were. at the stage where you were at, which by. the way, I still think is bad for people. to uh waste a lot of their money on. craps, blackjack, but those people would. put modern-day gambling companies to. shame because at the very least the. house edge on those games is very.

limited. It's just you're very unlikely to do so. Americans are effectively legalized, especially the ones that are being. pushed by these gambling companies like. FanDuel and DraftKings where they're. hold 60% of their revenue are a type of. bet which again would put a Las Vegas. casino to shame. They're called the. single game parlay. But before I even. get into all of that, let's zoom out. Gambling as of this year is now the most.

popular entertainment in America. America is a nation of gamblers. Last uh. >> it's the most popular entertainment in. America. >> by not only just the most popular of. entertainment gambling the total amount. that was gambled in the United. Statesclipsed all types of other. entertainment revenue movies and others. combined. So that is the amount of. dollars that we're talking about. hundreds of billions of dollars, in some. cases tens of billions of dollars per. state. And most of it is targeted to. young men specifically, which where we.

see the data overwhelmingly is. depressing not only their savings rates, bankruptcy goes up, domestic violence. goes up by nearly 10%. Especially. whenever there's a home team loss, which. is largely been associated with the NFL. for quite some time. But when you add. dollars into that, it makes the. magnitude of the loss, of the drinking, of the depression, and of the anger. express itself even more. So there's. basically nothing good that has come out. of it. There's a argument that comes. from many of these states about revenue.

But even the revenue argument honestly. falls apart. The Ohio governor even said. that legalizing sports gambling was a. huge mistake. The same governor uh who. legalized it. and he gave us some of the. numbers where the amount of revenue that. let's say Ohio raised is 200 let's say. it is 200 million well the amount of. associated social costs was roughly. equivalent to the same amount of revenue. that they took in gambling has the. highest uh suicide rate of any addiction. in the United States yes it does well. it's one of those addictions where you.

can operate and hit your rock bottom. without actually well if you hit your. rock bottom as an alcoholic everybody. around you knows you probably lost your. job there's not ability to maintain Ain. that same with drug addicts, fentinyl. addicts, and the other types of. addictions. With gambling specifically, to hit rock bottom, you can gamble your. way into a hole and a debt spiral and. shame. And it often leads to a point. where many of these men just can't face. the music. Often, very tragically leads. to suicide. And I believe that I don't. want to play dumb. I've actually seen.

it, >> right? >> And I, you know, quit drinking myself. So if you reach the bottom of alcoholism. or drug addiction, you can stop using. drugs or alcohol. >> You reach the bottom of gambling and. it's insolveny. It's like pretty hard to. fight your way out of that. >> That's right. And it's on your phone. So. even, you know, imagine if you could. drink out of your phone when you were an. alcoholic. That's the equivalent of what. we're looking at. This is the most. omniresent environment for gambling in. modern history. And just again to put.

some color on the numbers, I have some. of my notes in front of me. There's been. $500 billion wagered since 2018. In 2025. alone, 166 billion on sports, more than. movies, recorded music, live music, books, museums combined of a normal 70. billion. So, it's double the amount of. revenue for all of those associated. other types of entertainment, which I. would argue have a lot more of a social. net positive. Now, what we see is that. there is a 25 to 30% increase in in. states which legalize online gambling. $1 bet leads to $2 of less savings, 10%.

point in domestic violence after an NFL. upset losses. And that's just the top. line. And then in terms of how much this. is pervading everything, these companies. spend billions of dollars a year on the. most expensive advertising real estate. in the world. And this is all of sports. media. So you had ESPN, you have all of. these podcasts which are being paid. millions of dollars above market rate. simply to promote gambling and to get. these people, many of their audience, a.

lot of these young men hooked into the. sport. And I think even we can also have. a bigger conversation about what it's. done for sports generally. you were. talking about as an older person, you. know, you you you may not realize it, but if you talk to the young generation, I'm talking 12, 13, 14 years old, specifically teenage boys, if I ask them. before an NFL game what the line on a. game was, they'll know it. They'll even. know what the odds of relative prop bets. are for some of their favorite players. That is a completely new reality that. has only emerged just since 2018 since.

the landmark Supreme Court decision. originally struck down. the the I think. it's PASPA was the law which had been. passed which allowed Nevada to continue. sports betting again in a casino but did. not allow sports betting wagering. nationwide and we can thank Chris. Christie for all of this. >> There's no one worse. There's no one. more corrupt than Chris Christie. He's. just and I mean like on a deep human. level corrupt. Um, yeah. I mean, you. said podcast without getting into it,

but we were approached by a couple of. different gambling companies um with. real money. I had no idea they were. gambling companies. I thought they were. polling companies. I mean, I really. didn't know. And I mean that. >> Yeah. >> I called someone about it. No, those are. gambling companies. Oh, okay. >> What's the difference between a polling. company and a gambling company? >> Right. Well, this is where it also gets. complicated. So all of my criticism. right now has been about online sports. betting companies. FanDuel, DraftKings, Hard Rock Bet, any of those types of. actual wagering. And just to explain the.

difference, that is a house against you. As in the house of DraftKings sets the. line on a specific book for, you know, let's say like a Patriots versus the. Eagles, like it just comes to mind. So. that's you against the house trying to. make sure that you get an edge hopefully. and you'll win. what you're talking. about uh are these prediction market. companies predominantly in the United. States is Khi and Poly Market and I do. want to be fair to them they are not the. same thing however operationally I think. they are so they advertise themselves as.

event contracts and so it's a prediction. market so for example there's a two. sides of the bet and so I come in and. somebody else is willing to take the. other side of the it's it's similar I. would say to horse race betting of terms. of the amount of dollars which are. inside the pool and then who's going to. take the you know x 85% chance versus. the 15% chance. >> and the house gets a set percentage. >> and they get a set fee that they take. off and so that's their similar. difference let's say between the.

prediction market and the actual. gambling company. However, these. prediction market companies have a lot. of the same problems. So when you were. to speak to them, I'm sure that they. would talk a lot about derivatives and. event contracts. It's all very. financialized language. And so they try. to present themselves as above what. these companies are. But here's the. truth. The vast majority of the action. which is taken on these platforms, and I. use that term specifically because they. would say the amount of dollars weight. or dollars placed, I'm saying action. because it is ultimately gambling is all.

on sports. Over 80 85% of the volume on. Kali andor poly market is placed on. sports. You also have the same power law. problems where the vast majority of the. profit acrus to a very small group of. traders known as sharps both in the. event uh you know in the prediction. market business andor in gambling actual. online gambling and I think even by. their own data only 25% of the people. who play within a month or trade within. a month as they would call it are even. people who win money and so by your own.

admission and by the way that's actually. quite high uh if you were to wager over. a month whenever we're talking about. sports betting this is what I mean by. legaliz theft. When I step back and you. ask me the question, is this good for. America? How can it be good for young. men to routinely participate in a daily, sometimes more than daily practice of. just throwing their money away to either. groups of Wall Street traders or large. gambling houses based in Europe and the. United States to acrue for shareholder. value. There is no good that comes from.

that. I laid out domestic violence. thinks about the social cost but bigger. picture and this might this actually. might even be I I talk a lot about. sports betting I I do think it's the. number one scourge but the CEO of Kshi. Tar Bonsour had said that he envisions a. future where people can trade on. everything think about the social and. corrosive cost of what it means for some. of the events contracts which are. offered either on Cali or Poly market. we're talking about flight delays I mean. can you imagine the pervert incentive of.

manipulating flight delays and want, you. know, they they frame it as hedging, saying, well, somebody wanted to do a. conference and they wanted to make sure. that if the conference got flight delays. that they could hedge their bet. They. promote the hell out of this, but they. don't think about the social cost of. what it means to be able to wager. literally on everything. You could. create a market right now for what you. and I are going to say on this platform. by their rules, according to their. internal house rules. That would be. insider trading if you or I were to.

wager on that. However, I was at a. restaurant yesterday. We both were and I. was speaking to some people or asking me. about what I was going to talk about. Well, they could have wagered. They. could have created a market about what I. was going to say with that inside. information. There is no regulatory. authority to actually go after insider. trading at a bigger level. There is for. the military and I can talk about that. as well where uh large bets specifically. on poly market for insider information. things like the Maduro raid and others. clearly leaked out to a small group of.

people who then went and placed bets on. these markets on whether the United. States was going to go capture Maduro. Same whenever it came to uh the military. operations against Iran. There were huge. sums of money that were paid out on. that. The Trump administration has gone. after a few select cases, but those are. only the most obvious cases of members. of the military. The Israeli military. also had to prosecute several of its own. soldiers for placing bets on polymarket. for events that they knew they were. going to happen because they were. participating betting on wars. >> Betting on wars. Yeah. On death like And.

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in some places people are betting on the. temperature at an airport. There was a. case recently where people are betting. on weather markets and the way that the. weather market was decided was off of a. single sensor which was at an airport. So a man took a bet for an outshot of. the how much weather like how the. temperature would be on that specific. day. He went to the sensor and held a. haird dryer next to it to cause the. sensor to rise so that that would then.

resolve in his favor. I mean, these are. extreme examples, but this is the extent. to which people will start to manipulate. literal reality just to make money. >> This is the free market capitalism they. promised. >> This is the free market capitalism that. they've promised us and and and makes it. so you can't trust anything. There was. recently a case where uh Caroline Levit. was holding a press conference, one of. her press briefings, and there was a. market that it would go over x amount of. time. I forget exactly how much time. that she would spend at the podium. And. she happened to end it seconds before.

that the majority position was. So, you. could have bet the under on how long. that press conference was going to take. place and you could have paid out, I. forget the exact dollar, maybe 20 to1. There's also all these insider trading. uh things that so I gave the obvious. example that you and I talked about this. specific one. I'll give you another one. relates to a vice is marijuana. I don't. think like this but I could have. I'll. give you an example. I got a call cuz I. I'm this my job. I'm I do reporting. Somebody called me and said Trump's.

going to reschedule marijuana. I was. like wow. So I I start working the. phones. I start seeing what I can find. out about this. I email the White House. At that time, I could have got a 1%. chance on either prediction markets or I. could have purchased marijuana stocks. because I had inside information. And I. actually watched as I started doing my. reporting that it started to leak out in. broader Washington. And I can see the. stocks start to rise. I see rumors begin. to come out. Then the official. announcement eventually breaks from some.

establishment media outlet. The price. goes skyhigh. I personally could have. profited literally millions of dollars. if I had wanted to. I would never do. such a thing. I think that's literally. blood money and scumbag behavior, but. there's no law that prevents me from. doing that. I was doing my job in a. routine basis. I could have made myself. extraordinary sums of money. You. probably could have done the same thing. with all kinds of various things that. you've been doing in your line of work. Is it technically insider trading? No, we're not even of these. Exactly.

Because that's our character. But how. many is character really the constraint. through which we should offer the. integrity of our financial markets? And. even worse, I see these viral social. media claims. People will say, "I'm. getting rich betting on what Donald. Trump is going to say." You can get. various odds of whether Trump will say. the words low IQ this week, of whether. Trump will say, which pretty much a lock. I think if he would hold that one, whether he would criticize you uh you.

know, this week. And so, you know, people in the White House, they have. relatives. They could call them. The. relatives could call another relative. They could easily make a lot of money. doing this. I mean, this is about our. government. This is about sports. It's. about entertainment. But my bigger. picture, this is bad for society. There. was a recent poll that came out. Go. ahead. >> Well, I isn't the reason that sports. betting was banned in the first place. 100 years ago because it corrupted. sport. >> Exactly. And. >> people started throwing games. >> Exactly. And you know, the Major League. Baseball itself, the National League and.

others were formed specifically to stop. the corrosive effects of the game of. gambling because they knew that it was a. problem. And for over 80 years, these. companies held the line. Paul Tagle, the. NFL commissioner, testified before the. US Senate against gambling. David Stern, I think is his name, the NBA uh. commissioner, also testified against. gambling. But what ended up happening is. this is a very tragic story is that the. English Premier League when Britain. legalized gambling and specifically has. had long sports gambling for quite some.

time, their valuations began to. skyrocket. And so the capitalist greed. of the NBA owners and of the NFL owners. and the commissioners, they look across. the pond and they think, "How can I. accelerate my valuation and the amount. of dollars that I can pluck out of. America just like they did?" Now you and. I as social critics would say in what. way would we want to emulate the British. working class for our working class who. have been emiserated and who currently. have a GDP which is less than the state.

of miss GDP is not everything but you. know less than the state of Mississippi. I could look at Brazil, another horrific. example, really ground zero of sports. betting where, you know, in Brazil they. have those cash transfer programs for uh. poor Brazilians, which previously was. held up as a major social welfare. benefit. Well, more recent data has come. out from Brazil. The vast majority of. that money is being cycled right back. into sports gambling. And so, people are. getting their cash transfer with the. government. They're handing it right. over to the gambling companies. They are.

massively addicted to soccer betting. down there specifically. So our NFL. commissioner, our mob commissioner, they. looked abroad to the Premier League all. at the same time. While Chris Christie. is advancing his case for New Jersey to. have sports betting, all of this came. from the great recession. Atlantic City. was really taking, you know, having a. hard time when with their revenue. Uh. after in the aftermath of the great. recession, Chris Christie becomes the. governor. Christy decides that he's. going to try and have a workaround to.

allow sports betting in New Jersey. specifically. And so I won't take. everyone through all the complicated. legal minutia. The basics of it are they. passed several laws. They took it. through various circuit courts, went all. the way up to the Supreme Court, five. conservative justices, one liberal. justice, rules on behalf of the state of. New Jersey. And they say that what. Congress did by restricting sports. betting, specifically only allowing a. loophole where Nevada could have it but. nobody else could have it, was unfair to. states rights. This comes at a time too.

when states are revenue hungry. 2018. right into the pandemic. So what. happens? Vast majority of these states, I think 42 states now have legalized. sports betting. And what they did is. they not only allowed Leeli sports. betting in the casino like Nevada always. had is they quickly realized that there. were these apps like DraftKings and. FanDuel which had the infrastructure. laid out already which allows you to. normalize and create online sports books. specifically. And so that's why I gave.

you that number 500 billion half a. trillion dollars wagered in this nation. since 2018. And it just dispels all of. this notion of how oh well I mean the. classic libertarian argument well people. are always going to sports bet. That's. actually BS in my opinion because if we. look to the current types of bets that. people place today they place the types. of bets which I've talked about which no. bookie or mafia boss would ever offer. you. They're talking about offering you.

when I open the app, the single game. parlay, it would say it's not just. whether you win or lose. And it's not. even just the spread plus three and 1/2. minus three and 1/2. It's the spread. combined with the quarterback throwing. for 200 yards combined with the receiver. scoring two touchdowns. And they offer. you a price. Bet $10 to win 750. the. idiot brain combined with alcohol or. marijuana for a lot of these guys. sitting on their couches. Let's do it.

$10. What they don't realize is that the. contingent odds that they just placed. lose money so regularly that the. companies can project their revenue. based off of that type of bet, the. single game parlay bet. So much so that. they can project their earnings out into. the future. 60% of their revenue comes. specifically from that type of bet. So, when people tell me America's always. been a nation of sports gam gamblers, that's totally wrong. The type of bets. that they were making were usually. illegal, you know, backroom types of.

bets, plus or minus on the spread to the. extent that they were ever able to even. get these types of parlay bets. It was. in person in a Vegas casino. And they. would never take the amount of dollars. that they're wagering currently at a lot. of these places. And one thing I beg for. a lot of the listeners and I've tried to. explain this. If you're a younger guy. out there and you're doing this for the. thrill, I just want you to know, especially with the parlay bets, you. will not win. You will not win. It's a.

mathematical fact if you do this over. time. And this brings me to the worst. part of the industry. If you do win, they'll ban you. And so, I'm sure you. know this with blackjack, for example. Everybody famously lionizes the people. who can count cards. What they don't. tell you, if you walk into a Las Vegas. casino and you start counting cards, you. will be asked to leave the blackjack. table within probably 30 minutes to an. hour, unless you're really good at it. and you're working with a team. How is. that legal? You might ask. They have the.

right to refuse service. And it's. because even with the small house edge. of blackjack, if you are an advantaged. player in blackjack and especially if. they allow those advantage players to. have unlimited bet size and they get. that 1% really that's all it is counting. cards gives you a 1% or so edge, you. will eventually beat the house. It's the. perfect game is that you can addict. people. You can effectively legalize. theft. And if you happen to, despite all. of this, you're able to win money. They.

will simply ask you to not no longer. play with them. Or if they don't ask you. to no longer play with them, they will. limit your bet size. So where previously. you might have been able to put $1,000, $22,000, $3,000 on a game, they'll say, "Sir, you're only allowed to bet up to. $3 uh on this on this game." It's an. easy way. So you addict the losers and. you look for the whales. See vast. majority of the profit for these. gambling companies comes from a very. small group of users. Roughly 3 to 5% of.

the people make up almost 55 50% of the. revenue. So these are absolute gambling. addicts who by law shouldn't even be. gambling in the first place. The winners. if you're able to even win in this month. uh in this game they will ban you. In. fact, their algorithms are so. sophisticated that if you place the type. of bets which look like a winner, a. potential winner before you even win, they will limit your bet size. They will. say, "We don't want your business or. you're only capped to $10 down on a. game." So, they've created a system.

where they can addict young men. They. can find the potential whales out there, those 3% who are just full-blown. addicts. They can shower them with. gifts. They call them incessantly. Hey, where have you been? Haven't heard from. you. Do you want tickets to the next. Patriots game? Do you want free whiskey? Uh, let me fly you out on a private jet. from here to here. They shower them with. more benefits than you can even believe. Now, they think it's for free, but. they're paying for it obviously with. their losses. They do all of this while. if you're actually a winner, they'll ban.

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type of thing you would like to do. Here's some free whiskey. Here's some. free anything, right? You know, free. like concert tickets, those types of. things. They're they're encouraging him. despite him showing. obvious symptoms of gambling addiction. And by their own rules, they're supposed. to tell him not to do it. But of course, they don't. And in some cases, not just. this case, there have been other cases. where they say, "Don't put this in text. or they're going to come after me. Make. sure just talk to me on the phone if. you're having a problem." Again, this is. scum of the earth type of behavior to.

even participate in this. But this is. what's been enabled by these laws. This. is sweeping the nation. The largest. gambling. >> So, what happened to the guy? >> Oh, he went absolutely bust and his wife. is. >> DraftKings. I actually had uh they have. they're a publicly traded company, so. it's you know, Fortune 500. >> Is Portoi involved in any of this? I. which well I don't know if he owns. DraftKings but I know that Bar stool has. a affiliation with DraftKings. I think. that they have a partnership between the. two of them. >> and ESPN does too. Promotes. >> ESPN well it's a complicated case. They.

had their own bet, their own actual like. casino called ESPN Bet, which is ironic. because it's a media organization with. ESPN Bet that was down literally on the. Chiron encouraging people to I think now. they just have an exclusive partnership. I believe with Pen Gaming, which is a. large casino conglomerate which. previously owned Bartool Sports. >> Oh, it's also disgusting. >> It's horrible. >> So why is this allowed? Yeah, >> I thought the promise of this.

administration was the country was going. to produce things like New Jersey was. once a rich state because they made a. lot of stuff in New Jersey, >> pharmaceutical soup, you know, like. tangible. >> Trenton makes the world takes. >> Yeah, >> thank you. Exactly. I think that sign's. still there. It's still there. >> But it's not true. So the idea that. you're going to fix the state budget. hole by just treating your population. like livestock, that's not really the. answer we were promised, right? >> Is it? >> No, it's certainly not. And this. administration is the most pro- vice.

administration in modern American. history. So really this administration. CFTC the commodity future trading. commission has taken a very different. line from the Biden administration. They. not only are uh reversed many of the. rulings against the cowies and the poly. markets they not only enable them just. to do what they do which is worse but. there's gradations of worse. They go to. extraordinary lengths to defend them in. court. Recently there was a case uh. let's take New York state. So New York. State Kathy Hokll the governor she sued.

or her in the attorney general went. after Khi because Khi they said was. illegally operating as a prediction. market as a gambling house in their. state. The argument that they had was. look there's federalism. We are a state. We have the right to regulate sports. books in the way that we see fit. And by. doing that we charge I believe it's a. 20% excise tax on the amount of trades. or revenue or something like that. generated within the state. Khi.

obviously argued against them although I. will say in negotiations previously they. had come to them and had acknowledged. some level of regulatory authority. They. said why don't we pay you 6% the way. that we do in North Carolina. New York. State rejected that. So we don't do. carveouts. We believe you're a gambling. company. You need to abide by our. gambling laws. The CFTC under Donald. Trump issued emergency authority, an. emer an emergency release ordering and. telling Khi to please continue operating.

because they have absolute authority as. the federal government over the. regulation of these prediction markets. >> Wait, so the Trump administration. described it as an emergency people. wouldn't be able to bet enough online? >> Yes, that's right. Effectively, that's. Right. I mean, Kelsey would tell you. that they're trading uh that are there. online, but I mean, in in my or your. estimation, yeah, it's gambling. And so, the Trump administration has their CFTC. commissioner uh Mike Celig routinely. goes and delivers on video press.

conferences, many with crypto magnates. and others. Recently, there was one with. Donald Trump, Mike Celich, and one of. the Winklvi twins behind him who himself. is a Bitcoiner with Gemini where they're. giving press conferences and extolling. the virtues of prediction markets. I. mean, Trump's own son uh is either on. the board or was an adviser with both. Khi and with Poly Market. You have a. situation now where Khi and Polymart. Kali specifically because their. regulatory approach is to try and. capture not capture but work extensively.

with the federal government to ensure. that they're totally legalized. The CFTC. commissioner has issued multiple. guidances and even written briefs on. their behalf in many other state courts. and places where they're being sued. because many state attorney generals and. other believe that they are illegally. operating as a gambling house. So that's. Trump on gambling. There's there's no. question he has made gambling more. prevalent in the United States than any. previous president just because of the. way prediction markets work. And in. fact, I mean, in my opinion, running.

rough shot over federalism, California. and Texas, bless him, they did not have. legal gambling before this. But now, because Trump as the president and of. the federal government is protecting. these prediction market companies, we. now have legalized gambling in all 50. states. And in fact, as I know, both. Kalyian and Poly Market now, they would. not want legalized DraftKings or FanDuel. in those states. So they could be the. only option for potential people who. want to put action. So in California, it. was the Indian tribal casinos that. didn't want nationwide or statewide.

gambling. And they successfully defeated. it at a statewide uh at a statewide. ballot initiative. In Texas. >> to preserve their own monopoly, >> right? To preserve their own monopoly. I'm not saying it's a good thing, but. they they still they want Look, the. voters there decided not to leave us. >> But you're not describing any organized. force acting on behalf of the public. >> No, there's there there's maybe the. evangelicals in Texas. They're the. they're the only reason that they we. didn't have uh statewide betting from my. own home state. Not that uh Miss Aden. isn't working overtime to make sure that.

that's uh that's been repealed. I mean, one of the reasons she bought the Dallas. Mavericks and their whole, you know, vision for that, as I understand it, was. to create kind of this super. entertainment gambling complex. Mark. Cuban himself even said that before he. sold it to her, that the valuation of. his franchise doubled because of. legalized gambling. So, I don't think it. takes a genius to see that was part of. the long-term Aden plan for my home. state of Texas to legalize gambling and. to try and to make it part of the fabric.

of the state, which to their credit was. one of the last actually willing to. stand up with a substantial population. However, of course, Trump has now made. prediction markets uh legalized in the. nation. Let's talk about marijuana. So, Trump rescheduled marijuana. He did so. not after any rigorous review. He did so. at the behest of marijuana companies. where schedule one status by the federal. government was prohibiting their ability. to use the legalized banking system. That was it. There were huge donors uh. in Mara Lago and in Florida as I.

understand it who were constantly. complaining to him about their inability. to cuz right and and in these states. where there was legalized weed, cannabis. as they call it, uh they would take. these vast amounts of cash and they had. problems on their hands. many banks. would not touch the money because the. federal government could technically uh. schedule one and they saw it was. illegal. So there was an entire side. banking arrangement that was conducted. in currency. >> conducted in hard cash for a lot of. these they were having to hire armored.

guards. It was causing them all kinds of. problems. They heavily lobbyed the. administration to reschedule specific. not for the reasons that Trump came out. and said for studying. We've had plenty. of studies on marijuana, specifically. medical marijuana. All of them are. absolutely saves lives. No, it's it's. complete nonsense. Uh there is not one. claim for medical marijuana that's held. up in scrutiny. You can read that in the. New York Times and from some of the most. prominent health journals in the United. States. But nonetheless, they claim we. need more research. That was the. justification. That's not the.

justification. The justification. specifically had to do with allowing. these companies to have more access to. the legitimate banking system. And so. the venture capitalists and the stocks, remember I told you earlier about that. story about how I could have made money. There's an entire ETF and others that. track marijuana companies which exploded. post val uh post rescheduling. So that. tells you the story and it made people. very very wealthy who are very connected. to Donald Trump. We're into gold. We've. been into gold for a long time. That. turned out to be pretty smart. Not to.

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leaves a permanent public record. It's. on the ledger. There are stories about. how government tracks cash, literally. cash, because remember when they. switched to the new bills, well, they're. trackable. So, gold is probably the only store of. value that can even conceivably remain. private. It's outside the system built. to monitor and control you. And that's. one of the reasons that we founded. Battalion to help Americans reclaim. sovereignty and privacy, which is to say.

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metals.com/tucker. >> Did it leave the country at all? >> You can ask. I'm in this state. I'm. shocked the amount of cannabis stores. everywhere. It downtown Portland. Cannabis everywhere. You smell it. everywhere. You'll be in the rural parts. of this state. We're here in Maine. I. see a brand new cannabis dispensary next. to a rotting home. So, you can tell me. whether you think that's been an. improvement. It's lowered IQ. Talks. about young men. The number of people. who drive while they're under the.

influence of marijuana skyrocketed. >> Lower testosterone increases the. schizophrenia rate. It's been a true. disaster. >> It has been a It has probably been one. aside from gambling the single most. biggest disasters to hit our population. Oh, and by the way, daily marijuana use. now outnumbers daily alcohol use. It's. not that alcohol is good, but now you're. using a force which massively increases. the amount of people who go. schizophrenic, mental illness, uh. testosterone, pregnant women use is. dramatically up because a lot of these. false health claims that people make.

Doctors have not caught up. There's. actually a a teenage specific affliction. where if they smoke too much high. potency marijuana, they end up vomiting. for days and it gets stored in their fat. cells. They literally had to create an. entire new term for that type of. affliction because it's spread across. ERS. Ask any ER doctor in America. They'll know exactly what I'm talking. about. So, Trump has been a boon to the. marijuana industry. But pornography. doesn't get covered nearly as much as. well. And in my opinion, pornography.

Yeah. And so, I I talked to you about. this a little bit before the Treasury. Department. So, conservatives were. rightfully very upset about debanking. under the Biden administration or. debanking concerns broadly. >> for ideological reasons. for ideological. reasons which is fair and nobody should. lose their bank account. The Treasury. Department issued a report on debanking. in which they specifically said banks. should not discriminate against these. vice industries. And one of them that. they named was pornography. And so the. Trump administration issued a guidance.

to the nation's banks that they should. do their best to facilitate banking for. pornography companies and for other. women let's say in only fans and others. who previously had had trouble getting. access to the legitimate banking system. Now why you might ask do you think. >> Wait a second. So when people voted for. Trump in the hope that he would end. debanking they probably weren't thinking. I hope only fans can find a more. efficient way to transfer its funds. >> Exactly right. And that's what's. happened. Uh, and we've seen that now. >> So, it's sort of like you vote for Trump. to do something about immigration, but.

the only people who get deported are. those who criticize Netanyahu, >> right? Yeah. It's it's interesting kind. of how they subverted the idea. >> Subverted the idea. By the way, you want. to know who's buying Only Fans? Uh, you. can look into this is that the people. who are buying a majority stake in Only. Fans, which was run by a Ukrainian. billionaire who we knew nothing about, turned out to be a major Apacon owner, by the way, in his life. He recently. died uh in Florida. Well, it turns out. that he's selling to a Silicon Valley. operation, which I didn't know a ton. about, but one of the co-founders there.

was part of the tech team on Clear View. AI, which is the facial recognition. software. And so now a majority stake in. Only Fans is being acquired by somebody. who previously worked over at Clear View. AI, which is facial recognition. software, which is used by the federal. government and by a lot of other. >> Why would you allow Only Fans in your. country? >> Yeah, that's a great question. But why. not just arrest arrest the owners? >> Arrest the owners. Um and and and you. know, I try to I try not to even take.

the maximalist position cuz I see how. far gone we are here. Can we at least. say let's enforce our human trafficking. laws in this country because that's why. the banks didn't want anything to do. with the pornography companies or Only. Fans is because they were deeply afraid. rightfully of the amount of human. trafficking and exploitation that. happens in the pornography industry. That is a bedrock to it. Everybody knows. uh and I've listened and unfortunately. heard the testimony of so many men and. women who were involved in that. industry. None of it none of it is from.

a place of entrepreneurialism or. capitalism. Uh it's all deep from a. place of exploitation of being used by. these broader systems. And if anything, it is shocking to the conscience that a. woman who's 18 or 19 who sees her only. chance of being able to make money, buy. a house, or achieve financial success is. to sell nude images of herself to. perverts online who are three, four, five times her age. That's something. that the federal government, I think, in. my opinion, should want at the very.

least to make sure they're not being. human. >> If some Ukrainian billionaire is turning. our women into prostitutes, maybe we. should do something about it. Isn't that. why we have a military? That's exactly. why we that's why we have a justice. system. I mean and same when we we talk. about the gam like how can you argue. with a straight face that normalizing. because even if we take Khi and poly. market which are these again they're on. wall these people are the darling of. Wall Street everybody loves them in New. York New York City uh they're offering. all kinds of liquidity for trading on.

Federal Reserve on the Federal Reserve. and whether they're going to hike rates. on the futures of Bitcoin on all of. these complicated derivatives which you. and I will never understand until. there's another financial crash. So. they're the darlings of the hedge fund, the Wall Street, and all these other. industries. But how could you say that. when 80% of the volume is sports and. most of it is people who are customers. who by their own admission, 25% or so. are the ones who are taking profit, how. can you say that's a good thing? Why. would you want to encourage the daily. participation weekly even participation.

of placing wagers on events which were. primarily. were primarily known and wanted to be. known as non-gambling entertainment. >> Maybe because it's not so different from. the equities markets. Yes, exactly. Maybe that's maybe the the red the red. pill here is that it's like of course. Wall Street loves them because Wall. Street already does this. It's the same. thing. And but you know to zoom out from. that and and this is where I get. frustrated because Koshi's argument. wants to make the argument that uh if. they were to say things are corrupt they. would say the equities markets are just.

as corrupt. I would say yes but all. right the average American can still. largely uh make just put their money in. the S&P 500 and get an 8 to 10% return. over the long run. They're much better. off doing that than they are trading on. Cali. Oh, I forgot one thing with the. Trump administration. They lowered the. bar for day trading. So, previously. there was a regulation that you needed. to have $25,000 of liquidity to engage. as a day trader and the Trump. administration removed that. Uh, and so. by removing that threshold, obviously.

it's supposedly sold as a populist move. It's like everybody should have the. right to day trade. Over 80% day trade. over 80% of people who day trade lose. body. It's statistic. >> I wonder how many Fox News viewers I'll. speak for myself. I campaigned for. Trump. I didn't I didn't think Trump's. election would result in more gambling, drugs, and pornography. That kind of. wasn't on the menu that I remember. >> It certainly was. It was on the donor. menu, though. And every one of the. donors um especially marijuana, I can. link that directly back to Mara Lago and. to Florida with the CFTC. It's largely. venture capital and a lot of the other.

in uh and it's libertarians. I should be. fair. There are a lot of libertarians. and other things that support these on. their face. The wisdom of crowds and how. great they are at predicting uh various. types of events. Isn't that lynching? >> Right. Exactly. Especially and and. >> why don't they shut up at a certain. point? Like that's just too stupid. I. can't deal with it. >> It's foolish in the sense of what social. utility again wisdom of the crap. >> What social utility do we have on. gambling on everything? There is none. >> It would be funny to have, you know,

there were all those horrifying pictures. of lynching in the south. I And I know. it was more complicated than the the. images suggest, right? Some of the. people really were rapists and I get it, >> but we still have to oppose lynching. Like you need a justice system, right? Okay. >> So, yeah. >> But these kind of wildeyed crazy people. and the guy swinging from the tree and. then underneath it says the wisdom of. crows. >> Wisdom of crows. Right. Or the bolevik. mobs. >> Exactly. >> We can find all kinds of cross. ideological examples. >> Yeah. I mean, wow. Okay. Has this. received coverage?

>> Very little. And you know why? Because. the news organizations are in bed with. these same companies. CNN has a deal. with Kouchy. They use Koshi odds on. their network. Um there are multiple. major news organizations which have. incorporate their actual odds into their. coverage. And a famous example of more. recently was uh Harry Anton the stats. guy over at CNN covering the Khi odds of. a specific race. Franchesca Hong I. believe he said she had a 95% chance to. win. She lost the election. But the.

coverage was not just polls. And by the. way, a sophisticated news consumer, even. a casual news consumer has a general. feeling polls are wrong all the time. We've just lived through too much to. know that. But an event mark or. prediction market, well, those they were. right in 2024, right? They predicted. Donald Trump would win. So a 95% chance. of that. That's a sure thing. Well, it. wasn't a sure thing because she lost and. there have been multiple of these. primaries. >> Okay, so that's what kept me away from. the predictions markets at, you know, as. a sponsor for this show. I didn't even.

get the gambling part of it because I'm. obviously too stupid to see the whole. picture. But I do understand like my. little slice of the world. And I thought. this seems like an Intel inflected. thing. It's like it it feels it felt to. me on the base of no evidence at all, but just my instinct told me. >> these are companies that are not simply. reflecting back the public's opinion, but trying to shape the public's. opinion. >> Oh, well, I mean, you're making a great. argument in that point where. >> I just feel that. Well, because in that. case, let's actually we recently had a.

case where I believe it was in. California, a polling company put out a. poll which I I think it I forget that. which candidate it said was leading by. 12 points. It comes out months later it. was the polling company admits quote it. was a social experiment to see how much. our poll would get coverage. >> Well, exactly. >> And so now how much did that one poll. have influence on Kali or the prediction. market? Probably very little. But in the. aggregate, all of these polling. companies, their error, to the extent.

there's an error, which you again, you. and I know that there's no money writing. on it, but we have a feeling many of. these polls often understate or. overstate the way things are going. They. then get extrapolated to the nth degree. and financialized in these prediction. markets where the liquidity trading in. these can be hundreds of thousands, millions of dollars depending on the. race, hundreds of millions in the case. of the presidency. So in these cases, the actions of certain polls, let's say. the Celtzer poll, we famously remember. that before the Donald Trump election, which was so dramatically off despite.

her reputation, is it so outside the. bounds of possibility to say was that an. event meant to manipulate a market? Now, I don't think that actually to be the. case, but there isn't a lot of law that. would prevent her necessarily from doing. that as long as uh things are covered or. you know their ass is covered in a. certain way. and then take it even. deeper with foreign governments or. others that may want to influence a. certain type of event here in the United. States who might buy a large position on. one of these prediction markets to again.

generate the news coverage that it. deserves because these aren't taken as. fact when they are not fact at all. Again, to be fair to Khi, they recently. did a meta study. They sent me their. data where they said when there's a 5%. chance of happening, it usually happens. 5%. If there's a 90% chance of. happening, there usually is 90%. They're. trying to prove that they are. predictive. My problem with that is. their sample size, especially it's taken. elections. You and I know the vast. majority of primaries are not contested. And the the winner is clear. The data.

would only be useful to me in an actual. contested primary. And in many of these. contested primaries, totally wrong. They. were wrong with Angie Nixon. They were. wrong with Franchesca Hong. They were. wrong with Abdul Sied. They had Abdul. Sied winning dramatically more than he. actually ended up winning his election. by. Franchesca Hong, they had her 95%. chance she lost. Uh Angie Nixon who beat. her opponent by like 10 points or. something, they had as a dramatic. underdog. And so when it actually. mattered again in this case where you. had an event where you would have looked.

to these prediction markets for. information that you wouldn't be able to. gleam from polls or from other open-. source material, it didn't end up. mattering. And so that in the contested. primary, and these things haven't even. been around that long, what's their. actual track record? Because right now. it just seems like a casual election. better goes on the RCP average, sees. Franchesca Hong. There's even a meme. where they say, "Oh, look guys, they're. selling dollars for 95 because had. a 95% chance of winning." And so easy 5%.

pop. You put 500 bucks in it. Not a lot. to some people, a lot to most people. And next thing you know, you lose all of. it. And that story has compounded on. sports, on elections, on what color. dildo will be thrown on the WNBA uh on. the WNBA court, on the types of ga the. color of Gatorade which will be poured. on a coach after they win the Super. Bowl. Uh I could go on.

>> All of it's non-productive though. Nothing is being created. >> Nothing is being created except the. youngest female billionaire is one of. the uh founders of Koshi. So we can just. thank God for that. >> Just an entrepreneurial MIT grad. >> Entrepreneurial. >> How is it entrepreneurial to find new. ways to exploit desperate people? >> Exactly. >> Or offer liquidity to uh financial. houses so they can bet up and down on. the federal. >> It just seems predatory. So why would. young men participate in this when some.

of them presumably are smart enough to. know the odds, but they do it anyway? >> Uh I would dispute that because. unfortunately they don't know. I mean we. just have too much data. don't know the. odds and they're bombarded by. advertising but a lot of it is everyone. can understand this actually I did a lot. of research into this I go why is so I. don't have the gene I don't have the. gambling gene um you know I'm capable. playing craps is fun and winning is fun. but I can easily walk away after losing. $25 and say I'm done but. >> so what is it so it's actually. fascinating our dopamine rewards risk. when you get the reward you get.

serotonin which brings you down so risk. the action itself and there's a famous. line from For for me, the action is the. juice. That's actually true, especially. when you're a high testosterone male. Well, what it means is that gambling is. a derivative of our chase of dopamine. and of risk. And specifically, the. reason why we are rewarded with dopamine. for risk is hunting. And so you'll. understand this as a hunter. The vast. majority of hunting is extraordinary. boredom and using your mind to and most.

of the times it doesn't work unless. you're deeply familiar with the terrain. Especially when we're talking about. non-rifle hunting or it's an incredibly. difficult task. You can ask anybody who. does it. Well, what nature needed to. reward you and so you needed to go out. there fare for yourself probably burn. more calories than you were going to. get. It's a totally irrational thing. when you actually think about it. But it. only makes sense if there is the payoff. at the end. Gambling is touch is. basically hijacking the dopamine and the. nervous system which we developed to.

become hunters so that we could go out. and provide food for our families, for. our clan to be able to feed our child. But in modernity with the grocery store. and all of that removed, that nervous. system, our biology has not caught up to. that. And there's a specific subset of. our population just like there is with. alcohol or marijuana where that dopamine. or or even drugs. Anybody, you know, I I. don't think I could ever be addicted to. drugs. I just don't have that type of. gene. But I know a lot of people who do. They're not I'm not better than them or.

worse. It's there's a scale whenever it. comes to human biology. There's a. specific subset of our population where. that rush is the greatest thing in the. world. Yes. And if you've seen them, if. you ever been to a casino, when you see. those wideeyed guys, you notice they. don't feel when they win, they feel when. they lose. It's when they lose that they. finally feel alive. Because to be alive. for them was the moments in which they. thought they would win, they have to.

come back to the crash and then they. have to chase again. Because if they. won, then they wouldn't be able to get. the same chase cuz they would actually. get the reward which they think that. they're seeking. But what they don't. realize is they're seeking the drug. itself. And when you normalize this, like I said, across hundreds of millions. of people, you hijack the biology. largely of a lot of young men who are. rushed full of testosterone. Traditionally would be the hunters. That's really where it all seems to come. down to. This is why I talked previously. about I mean pornography is the same. thing, right? It's the same artificial.

construction hijacking of the dopamine. and the nervous system which is intended. for you to be able to procreate. Um, whenever we talk about day trading is a. very similar thing is it easy ways to. get riches but al riches but ultimately. it's about risk. And so what gambling. does is it hijacks that and it takes. somebody in the prime of their life. where they could have used that risk and. that appetite for dopamine if it wasn't. legal to at the very least participate. maybe in something more sociable because. what did I just say about everything. with gambling? They do it on the phone.

Is that you know even with alcohol you. have to go out and you have to buy. alcohol. You have to you have to at the. very least you have to speak to the. clerk who's selling you the booze or the. bartender. Even marijuana you have to go. and buy it from a store. All of this can. be done in total solitude on your phone. And actually I read a book Danny Font. who wrote this incredible book. well-reported book on gambling. He said. that sometimes they would go FanDuel or. one of these companies would survey. their customers and said would you would.

you recommend this product to a friend? their best customers said no. No, because they they they wouldn't want. their friends to participate or they're. ashamed or they don't have any friends. They just do it by themselves. It's the. only rush that they have. And I've seen. it bleed now into our society. We see. male loneliness obviously is an. epidemic. But the other thing I hate. about gambling is that has replaced the. common parlance of sports talk with all. men. When you talk sports with my.

generation of men and younger, it's very. little to do whether the team is good. It's about how much you've bet on the. games. If you go to a bar, you can go to. any sports bar in the middle of football. season, sit next to a guy, almost. certainly if he's there by himself, he's. got money riding on the game and. probably on both sides of the ball in. terms of this down. I was at a a. football game where I saw a man severely. intoxicated in front of me tell his son. to place $100 that the Eagles were going. to score on this specific down he said.

on this drive. So his son goes on they. immediately they don't score. I saw him. lose that 100 right in front of me. Okay, it's 100 bucks. He can afford the. seats probably fine. But multiply this. at scale and that's ultimately is the. rush that people are chasing is all. being channeled by our government by our. capitalist oligarchic elites into sinful. activity. >> So you said a minute ago that there are. people libertarians you describe them um.

who argue that it's it happens anyway. >> So is there any acknowledgement that if. you make something easier you'll get. more of it? They say you should tax and. regulate it. Um and that that eventually. that it will normalize over time. There's no evidence normalize that oh. people will right now we're just in the. wild west days of gambling and we'll. figure out the regulations and we'll. figure out more safeguards and in the. long run we'll be better off because. there's no more illegal gambling even. though there is still a lot of illegal. gambling. Um because they can sometimes.

offer different things or customer. service you know that the illegal. gambling companies do. They said the. same thing with marijuana. Nope. uh. illegal marijuana market is still. booming because they sell it under the. price of tax. Uh and none of the tax. revenue has even come close to making up. the social costs that have been. inflicted on all of us for having. >> tax revenue become the goal, >> right? Ex I mean this is what happens. when Yeah. curious about your tax revenue. >> and even tax revenue bastardizes it. because they look at it I mean I said it. earlier we secularized America has.

decided that freedom means freedom to. sin for the vast majority of human. history specifically under Abrahamic. fates freedom was freedom from sin and. so the changing of freedom from sin. freedom is freedom from sin from freedom. is freedom to sin was one of the great. social changes and understandings in. modern American history. And that is. what is now being reflected in all of. our values. >> People, >> indebted people, addicted people,

compulsive people are not free. They're. enslaved. >> Right. Uh you and I understand that. But. >> well, that just seems so obvious to know. any. I know a lot of them. They're all a. lot of them, too. They are literally. enslaved. Uh to the credit card. companies, to the banks, to the gambling. companies, which help them go bust, to. the mortgage lender, to their job, to. their boss, to the system which they. work in. But that's cuz you and I have. empathy for them. Whereas the. libertarian argument, the non-personal. argument would be they're an idiot. A. man is free to do with his money. A. fool, you know, a fool and his money are.

going to part anyway, so we might as. well allow that transaction to take. place out in the open. >> and profit from it. >> And profit from it. >> Do young people understand that they are. being farmed for resources? >> People are people see it, but they don't. have the language. That's one of the. reasons I'm really happy that we're. doing this. So, there was a recent Gen Z. poll that came out that a lot of people. are discussing. The lowest level of. institutional trust of any generation in. modern American history. Usually doesn't. set things up for a productive century.

But I think the reason that they feel. that way is that they are at the mercy. of the student loan companies, the. banks. They were locked down during. COVID. They're bombarded with predatory. scam advertising with AI promises which. they may take their job. So of course. that they are deeply uh untrusting of. institute of a government where a decent. portion of young men vote for Donald. Trump. I would say having met most of. them a lot anti-war was one of the major. reasons why they did so and then they.

launched one of the most extraordinary. you know dastardly acts in modern. history Iran undercover of negotiations. twice actually that we did that our own. version of Pearl Harbor which we all. understood was the ultimate betrayal. Uh. and so that's who we are now. And so for. them, I think they can sense this level. and there is polling actually coming out. where you can see that the actual. support for legalized sports betting is. beginning to dip right along with. marijuana is that now that we've run the.

experiment, people are getting to come. down. But what I'm saying, I want to. acknowledge at the top, it is not. popular and we have to look for past. social revolutions to see where the. change come came from. It's actually. from women. So the reason why. prohibition happened was because women. had got the right to vote and they were. living in a nation where people were. drinking like a liter of whiskey a day. And these women were getting, you know, absolutely beaten up almost every single.

night or left destitute with their. children in the poor houses, left at the. mercy of literal charity organizations. Literally the first thing they did when. they got the right to vote was to outlaw. alcohol. And the temperance movement, the temperance movement, again, I know. it's controversial. I think one of the. most righteous movements in American. history. >> I think it was the same year. Universal. suffrage and the Volstead Act. Both. 1919. >> Both 1919. Great show. Boardwalk Empire. actually shows that exact meeting. Yeah, it shows the politician of Steve Buchi. meeting with the Women's Temperance. League despite the fact that he is.

himself involved in bootlegging. But it. made the point that many of these women. the first thing that they did with the. vote was to support politicians who. supported prohibition. And the reason. why is very similar to the gambling and. marijuana and to pornography is they. were the primary victims as they were. being left with a population who was. dassinated, who was drunk, who was. beating them very much like the domestic. violence uh case that I just pointed. out. I mean, imagine being in a position. where you're so such a slave to your. addiction that you're losing your home.

and you're selling your children's. Christmas gifts, which has happened in. that case. Another more recent case in. Philadelphia, very similar. circumstances. I have somewhat of a. connection to this one where what. happened is is he I believe he took two. mortgages out on his home, gambled away. tens of millions of dollars, uh ended. up, it appears was what happened is is. that he was gambling with FanDuel. FanDuel actually got him a personalized. video from Bryce Harper, who is a player.

for the Philadelphia Phillies. And in. that video, Bryce in a video with the. FanDuel logo on it tells him, "Hey man, I just wanted to reach out and say, "Happy Thanksgiving. Your host from. FanDuel just wanted me to make this. video for you." It turns out she went on. Cameo and purchased that video for her. uh for her client here over at FanDuel. He denies that he knew that it was for. gambling purposes. And even though he.

says your host from FanDuel is involved, he makes hundreds of millions of. dollars, by the way, and as a Mormon, uh, actually. Uh, and so it's one of. those where, look, I mean, maybe I. believe him that he didn't know that it. was involved, even though it said the. word FanDuel, uh, in the script that he. was read and he did read on camera. Nobody just blame, nobody who's worth. hundreds of millions just says, "I'm not. going to do this one. I'm not going to. do this video." But those are the. lengths to which they'll keep you. gambling. And by the way, he lost. everything. He lost his house, second. mortgage, etc. Tens of millions of.

dollars. I think he gambled $18 million. >> Are any politicians against this? >> Uh, well, Mike DeWine, I'll give him. credit. He said, I legalized it and it. was a mistake. And he published some of. the he published some of the uh of the. statistics. That's pretty much it. I. can't think of a single nationwide. politician. And it's because of the. money. I mean, even in our industry, Tucker, what I'm saying is so rare. Most. of my colleagues are taking money from. Koshi or for Poly Market. Actually, yes, absolutely. A lot of them are taking.

money or have been sponsored by Poly. Market or they don't want to close off. the potential revenue source. My friends. in the sports podcasting industry, I can. think of one guy I know who doesn't take. money from the gambling companies. They're really flooding them with tens. of It's tens of millions of dollars. It's they they find themselves in a. position. It's the only financially. viable way for them to do what they want. to do. I get it, right? I blame the. politicians. I I wish it wasn't this. way. But they are showering them with so. much cash that it's only people who are.

willing to say stand up and say I won't. take your blood money. Who are the. people who will come out and speak about. this? And that's part of the reason I. wanted to do this show and talk talk. about it in these stark terms is what at. the very least if we're to be confronted. with this secular government who will do. nothing to protect our children, our. young men, and the women that can we at. least start a cultural revolution of. shame. There should be shame for smoking. marijuana every single day, for gambling. away your children's inheritance. I feel.

sorry for that person in terms of him. being a gambling addict. I want I would. actually support funding recovery. programs and all of that, but I don't. want him to get to that place in the. first place. And if you see a person. who's gambling or you're friends with, there should be we should have the. social space to say, "Hey, man, that's. bad. You shouldn't do that. >> You're throwing your money. >> You're profiting from it.". >> No, that's Yeah, they're there. >> I mean, that's what blows my mind. It's. not, you know, not that people destroy. themselves.

Um, it's that other people get rich from. their destruction and those people still. have their names on the buildings at. Harvard. I don't understand that. >> Harvard, they become multi- I told you. >> you become president, you make a billion. dollars in office. How can you make. money in office? >> Take trades uh every I mean tens of. thousands of trades that Trump has. placed while he was in office. His, you. know, obviously net worth skyrocketed. the Trump coin. Um I mean my god the. details on that are shocking genuinely. in terms of some of the associates.

>> good deal for the investors. >> right with for the ordinary people who. are his most devoted fans who put their. hard-earned money that's what gets me is. that money is not everything and the. chasing of it after a certain point in. my opinion makes you evil to agree with. that completely angry and so when I see. these hardearned people and I've met. some of them who are either his biggest. fans for, you know, and and they put. their trust in the name of Trump. And. this doesn't just apply to Trump, but. it's it's really just generally when.

they put their hard-earned dollars into. this and then they end up losing their. savings. That's just the height of. scumbag behavior. And that's not just. Donald Trump. That applies to podcasters. and other people in tech who promote. spaxs and other sketchy financial. instruments and that tells their. audience to invest and they betray the. trust of those people. just in their. defense. It is a minefield because I. have almost taken money from all kinds. of bad people.

>> and I just didn't you know gold. companies, prediction markets, crypto. scams, like I. >> I get it. >> I'm not an I would never took money from. any of them but I came pretty close a. couple of times like hey this seems like. a good deal. >> right? Yeah. Yeah, you have to do your. research and that's where the public the. lack of public reporting. That's what is. I think the worst part is and look I'll. say there are a few places which still. do good journalism. The Wall Street. Journal, Financial Times have done great. deep dives into prediction markets. They. have more bulletproof business models. because finance relies on them. So.

they're able to charge higher. subscription fees. A lot of the cable. companies are in bed with the gam with. the prediction market companies. They're. using their odds. many a lot of election. coverage. Come midterm season, you will. see calcium and polymarket odds featured. very prominently in the coverage. It's. going to be embedded in our daily life. And what's so crazy is this wasn't even. the norm 10 years ago. It only became. legal 2019, really 2018, 2019 onward. And now we're living in this already, in.

my opinion, dystopian society where. gambling eclipses all other revenue. I. cannot even imagine what 10 years from. now is going to look like. We're gonna. we're going to look like the late, you. know, 1900s in the same way of. temperance. We'll have poppers. We'll. have poor houses. We will have literal. shelters to for people for the women and. children of gambling addicts if the. community doesn't step up. That's the. future we've created. Gambling Anonymous. has reported an absolute skyrocket in. the number of calls. Um, Congress won't.

even pass a piece of legislation for a. national exclusion where if you put. yourself on the exclusion list in one. state that it applies to states. elsewhere. So, if you live on the border. of a state, even though you've excluded. yourself from one place, you get the. itch, you could drive across the state. lines. Khi only recently introduced. self-exclusion, but there are. workarounds that are around that. There. is no regulatory body looking out for. the consumer for trying to. >> exclusion is like a gambling gun safe. where you just like keep it out of your. own hands or something. >> You can go into the sports bet and say I.

want to self-exclude. Don't allow me to. bet. Uh and I think there's actually a. way to reverse that sometime in the. future. But at the very least on that. day they won't allow you. Any casino in. America will do the same thing. If you. tell the casino if you tell MGM I don't. want to be allowed on any of your. properties, they will exclude you and. they won't take your action. But. obviously there's still workarounds. You. go to other properties, etc. But. Congress is Congress, the government, they're happy to work on behalf of the. prediction market companies. Nobody. looks out for the consumer for trying to.

at least marginally protect gambling uh. potential gambling addicts, which we all. know will massively increase as a result. of this epidemic which is now sweeping. the nation. I think this is opioids. I. It might be worse honestly because. opioids at least takes you down very. very quickly. The insidiousness of this. Yes. It's only comp it's compounding on. a on every day, but already in the data. we know tens of thousands more people. will likely commit suicide as a result. of this epidemic. Tens of millions will.

have lost money or hundreds of millions. will have lost money. Tens of millions. potentially millions will go broke, completely broke or on the verge of. bankruptcy. And it's all voluntary on. behalf of the people who run our. country. >> So obviously there's going to be a. revolution of some kind. I hope it's. peaceful. What's it going to look like. politically as a result of this and all. the trends you described? >> Yeah, I think uh the lack of. institutional trust is very similar to. what we saw. I I hope it's peaceful, too. I I'm hoping we look to our our our.

cousins in the United Kingdom for an. aristocratic elite. I'm not talking. about in the current moment at their. time of mass social change where they. voluntarily yes kicking and screaming. ended up giving up power giving more of. the vote to the people to avoid violent. revolution. They had an aristocracy and. a boogeoisi which fundamentally. understood that they had to address the. actual the the concerns of the people. and of the driving social change that. they were have to voluntarily give up. some of their power, some of their.

wealth, their hold over the. establishment in order to keep what they. really wanted to protect, which was. their monarchy and their social status. And it worked to their credit. Well, we'll look across the continent to all. of the other monarchies uh which didn't. survive the first world war and many of. the other revolutions which ended up. sweeping them. I hate to say I don't. think we're there, but we are in if if. we were to look at what I laid out, mass. institutional mass institutional. distrust, a period now of multiple. presidents, Trump being some of one of.

the most egregious, but of multiple. presidents saying one thing and doing. the opposite whenever they come into. office. I'm going to end the war. How. many times have I heard that one only to. end up right now where we are now? You. have Trump who is effectively. sacrificing the might and the prestige. of the American empire for his. fullhearted decision to go and to attack. Iran. I heard about economic D-Day. today. Uh I could only wish that it had. the level of seriousness and intellect. behind the original planning of D-Day. who were real men. You can say what a. lot about them, but they were real men.

They thought about things. They didn't. just throw out terms like economic D-Day. and the most sophisticated financial. campaign or sanctions of all time when. are we really going to do secondary. sanctions on China and blow up our. relationship with the largest second. largest economy on earth. Xi Jinping is. flying to our country. I don't think so. And if we do it would be even more. extremely foolhardy. It's fool hearty in. both cases. You have sanctionproofed. economies. But so you have this. disastrous war very much like the first. world war which can ignite more social.

change and revolution. And we're. obviously not there yet. Tens of. millions of people are not dying. But. every American who is consuming anything. remotely about this war is watching. again the destruction of our bases of. the inability to feed, clothe, and keep. sane the people on the USS Abraham. Lincoln where stories have to come out. of them literally jumping off the ship. from their distraught relatives for us. to even actually do anything about it. We're watching our ships have to be. refueled or resupplied from Diego Garcia.

except for the region because our bases. were destroyed. I didn't even think that. could happen. I I was I'm one of the. ultimate pessimists about the American. Empire before going into this war. If. you had told me Iran's ballistic. missiles and drones will kill doz uh at. 18 I believe Americans injure I believe. the latest number is over 700 that we. will be driven like dogs from the region. have to resupply our carriers from 2,400. km away. I wouldn't I would not have. believed you if you told me that we were. going to expend the vast majority of our.

THAAD interceptors and our Patriot. missiles which are the technologically. advanced spear of the American defense. systems and that we were to do it all be. on behalf of Israel while leading real. countries like South Korea and Japan in. the lurch. I would not have believed. that. And yet we did all of that. We did. it only in a span of six months. So. congratulations to Donald Trump but more. so you asked me about revolution. So I. watched that happen. I watched the. expenditure of all this. What is the. Trump administration's response? Double.

down economic D-Day. 1.5 trillion for. the military. The military technology, the same technology which we just. delivered massive strategic loss over. the straight of Hormuz. So you see that. there's no learning in the state. You. have multiple instances of politicians. who say I'm going to do one thing and. the other. Everything in America, like. you just said, is a scam. Everything is. about extracting more value from you, the consumer, than creating value for. your daily life. That's right. This is. what's backs stops, I think, a lot of.

the data center backlash. You talked. about flock. That was a great episode. that you guys did. But that all what it. comes down to is we can't enrich you. We. can't make you richer. So, we have to. oppress you. And we also have to take. your money and spend it on even more. foolish adventure. All of the. ingredients are there if you want to. look for everything ranging from a minor. revolution to a major revolution. Uh you. know you and I know many people think. despite what the Soviets said a working. class revolution. It was a boogeoisi.

revolution. It always is. >> Take a look at our our elites. >> Elites elites versus elites is the. classic story of every revolution. Our. current elite is either literally. morally bankrupt trying to extract. people through gambling and marijuana, pornography, everything I just discussed. here. Or they are people who have been. failed by the institutional promises of. the 2000s. Saddled with student debt, put into a situation where they can't.

get married and have a child, can't buy. a house, have no upward mobility, total. lack of distrust and failure by the. system, which was never necessarily. going to deliver for the bottom. quintile, but was at the very least. supposed to make life decent or better. for the 50th to the 90th percentile. Right now in the US, if you're not. between the fif if you're in the 50th to. 75th, your quality of life has gone down. as a as a as a result, not just of. Donald Trump's war, not just because of. gambling, but because of all of the.

institutional measures which are used to. oppress you. And so that is the group I. pay the most attention to. And that. group is angrier than they've ever been, dramatically liberal. They're behind a. lot of these DSA uh winds that have been. sweeping the nation in terms of the. Democratic party. And you can see highly. educated people who are downwardly. mobile are the two ingredients along. with mass institutional distrust are the. exact Oh, and a unpopular foreign war.

which is bankrupting the empire. >> World War I. Does anybody want to pick. up a history book? And I hope it doesn't. get there. I I I desperately need. >> No, but unemployed nonprofit executives. are the most dangerous people. Underemployed lawyers, people like that, white college educated people whose. dreams have been shattered. Man, those. are scary people. >> Yeah. And you know, >> smart, motivated, angry, resentful, they've been betrayed. >> Yeah. Yes. I mean, that those were the. the backbone of the Russian Revolution, the backbone of the German Revolution. I. mean, and that's exactly what led to the.

outcomes in those two countries or to. the destruction or rewriting of the. general rules of society. It was. recently, but the French Revolution. I. had just read a fascinating book uh. several series of books there on the. French Revolution and the extent to. which there's something inspiring and. terrifying and this is kind of what I. think we're going to begin to see in the. United States is at the beginning of the. French Revolution, there was just a. sense of why should we do it that way at. all, the old way. Let's just do. something brand new, inspiring. And you. can actually see how easily that message.

could catch on in a society like ours. But what they didn't realize is that by. doing the brand new of opening Pandora's. box is it would lead to the terrors to. Napoleon to the destructions beheadings. of nuns of the persecution of every. institution in all of your society. That's what it leads to. And it has. happened now so many times over the. course of the last several hundred years. that I could see a very similar. situation. >> I could too. And it's interesting. We. spend so much time thinking about, you.

know, Stalin's crimes, Hitler's crimes, Robes Beer's crimes, and so little time. thinking about the predicate. Like, how'd they get there? How did a society. like, >> you know, 18th century France was pretty. sophisticated, pretty rich country with. >> a liberal society? That's the thing that. strikes you. This was not an oppressive. regime. Not to cape for the, you know, French monarchy, but it it was not one. of the most, you know, authoritarian and. oppressive societies. And in fact, one. of the critiques that later on many of.

the other monarchies of Europe took away. was we need to be much more oppressive. because the libertine French allowed. this modum of speech, of pampleteers, of. openness in their society. And look what. it got. Louis V 16th. >> No, it's totally it's totally right. Nicholas II was not, >> you know, he was like pretty liberal, pro-western, spoke French at home guy. >> Yeah, exactly. And I mean, he was a fool. in. >> ways, but it does, it seems like those.

are the periods worth studying, the. pre-revolutionary periods. >> I totally agree. >> And you can't find a good book on. VHimar. I've never been able to find a. single. >> I heard there's a good one coming out, >> but there should be a hundred of them. >> Okay. We spent your entire childhood. learning about the Nazis. It's the only. thing that ever happened in history. along with the civil rights movement. Okay, I'm totally anti-Nazi. I get it. >> How'd they get the Nazis in an election? >> No one wants to talk about that. What is. the answer? I'm not even sure I. understand. >> And even then, they reduce it down to. just the depression, which is. ridiculous. It's not the depression.

It's like, you know, there's all these. social forces both from actually Weimar. very similar to what I talked about the. French Revolution idea of we could try. anything. So you saw that the sexual. absolute insanity very similar to how. things were happening in France in. pre-revolutionary France. The same it's. it's fascinating how you could always. see the same types of things that are. happening similar in some ways to uh a. lot of the gender dynamics like. currently here in the United States. And. I don't want to take it too far. We. don't have brown shirts currently on our. streets. We're not not in a great.

depression. You mentioned the Russian. Revolution. So my historical parallel. would be okay. It's not 1917. What if. it's 1904? What if it's the. Russo-Japanese war? What if it is the. war that previously broke institutional. trust and showed the brittleleness and. uh created the crackdown and then 10. years later it explodes. >> They were so shocked to lose that war. >> They were st the world was stunned by. that and that that is our equivalent I. think of what we have watched here. People try to extrapolate too much of. the most extreme Suez or that, but you.

have to pick some of these side wars. which at the time were monumental in. their understanding of geopolitics. >> It's totally right. >> Um, so what happens in the midterms more. imminently, >> right? Well, if we were to believe the. polls, I actually let's take the polls. aside. Let's just look at structure. The. incumbent president almost always loses. ground in the uh midterm elections. America is a nation of the median voter. who loves a Republican president and a. Democratic Senate for some reason.

That's or vice versa. This is baked into. our political consciousness. So, normally you would always expect to see. some sort of a backlash against the. Trump administration as they actually. enact what they wanted to. Similar. happened in 2018. Okay, so that's normal. times. We are not living in normal. times. We're living in times of $4. gasoline for the last 6 months. Uh, by. the way, nobody's paying attention to. diesel. Open call. Everybody please pay. attention. >> 17 a barrel this morning. >> I think it's it might be more. Well, it. might be more on a different uh. marketplace, but it's $5.69 a gallon.

national average. It was $3.50 or so. just a year ago. So, the inflation. that's happened in diesel is dramatic. compared to what's happened. Do we. really need Oh, yeah. It turns out that. we do. It turns out it literally runs. all of our industrial machinery, our. grocery prices, everything has diesel. price baked into it. So, we've had 6. months of and I'm sure you know working. people like I do uh who run let's say. work in trucking and I've spoken with a. few diesel is destroying the price is.

destroying them or they're having to. pass it on. So, that's just on the gas. front on inflation generally. We have. seen that the Trump administration. specifically full hardy actions in Iran. have bled into some of the more. inflationary data. We have seen uh. mortgage rates which again are impacted. by this full hearty decision in Iran. I. believe they're hovering around 6.7%. something like that for the average. American uh if they were to try and get. a normal 30-year fixed rate mortgage. if. they were to do so, they would be. entering a home uh a home market where.

uh your if you were to look at the. median wage and what it's required to be. able to save for a down payment of 20%. to avoid PMI or any of these other. things that set people back. You would. need to save for literally like a decade. just to be able to get just the down. payment and the ability to sustain the. income on a two parent household uh if. you were to actually be able to afford. it. So, extraordinarily expensive. housing market, you're met also with uh.

let's see, in terms of the midterms, the. way that the Trump administration acted. even before all of what happened with. Iran was in such a manner where they. didn't really act as if they needed to. convince the public of anything, of. anything that they did. They did a. decent job enough in the campaign of. getting a popular vote of their victory, but they turned around and to the extent. they did anything for their quote voters. or their promises, they did it in such a.

fashion as to ignite major public. debate, which is fine in a campaign, but. when it comes to policy, if you don't do. it exactly correctly, you will get torn. apart with the press, which is a lot of. what happened. But that was side by side. with some of the most corrupt actions. that we've ever seen from a White House. And we're not just talking about Trump. personally enriching himself to the tune. of billions, but nobody even knows from. his own financial disclosure. We're. talking about the basic sale of pardons, right? Uh that have happened. Uh where.

all of these pardons, the Trump issues. to these corrupt Ponzi schemers and. others who then go on to victimize other. people. uh all of it basically done for. his either for donor pressure or largely. just because he likes feeling powerful. by letting people specifically rich. people uh off the hook. And then Israel. hovers over all of that because a proud. nation cannot serve another nation. >> Yes. And this is left and right is that. everybody feels this way. And. specifically for a decent portion of our.

population to watch us go into this war. to deport people for their opinions on. Israel, to have the Department of. Justice sue campuses and others for. their opinions on Israel. I mean, I I. said this on on our show last time. It's. it's even more true today. Everything. the Trump administration has done on. anti-semitism was Ibrahim X Kendy's. dream when it came to anti-racism. The. department of anti-semitism might as. well exist for what Ibrahim X entire.

government. >> It is our whole government from our our. military the infusion now of the NDAA of. our Congress. Uh I was amazed recently. Rick Scott uh Israel attacked Turkey in. Syria NATO ally which we're told is the. most important thing in the world. Rick. Scott backs Israel. I was like wow. same. people who will tell you about how NATO. is a religion to them. >> Rick Scott is so disgraceful. >> He's really disgraceful. One of his. constituents was murdered in the. occupied territories in the West Bank,

right, >> by a group of terrorists. Um and Rick. Scott refused to meet with the parents. who run an ice cream shop in a. smashburger place in Tampa. And he. wouldn't meet with them. >> because their son, an American citizen. born in the United States, had been. murdered by Israelis. And so Rick Scott. took the side of the Israelis. How can. he serve in the Senate? I. >> how can our ambassador who you. interviewed defend I don't understand. foreign country over our own? And I. think. >> so who would vote for that? >> Who would vote for that? Also, yeah, if. I were to ask you about the midterms.

that. >> if you ask me about the midterms, Republican vision, what's their vision. for the country? What are you going to. do about my home price? Nothing. What. are you going to do about uh what are. you going to do about my gas prices? Increase them. Tell me short-term pain. for long-term gain. They said that six. months ago. It's been six months. Uh. what are you what are you going to do uh. to create a better future for my child? Uh who ultimately that's all I actually. care about. I don't even really care. about myself anymore. Oh, you're going. to create uh you know a den of sin and.

gambling and marijuana and pornography. It's like that's the the types of. industries which we're going to elevate. If I voted Republican in the midterm, what are they going to pass? My health. care premium went up 30%. Are you going. to do anything about that? >> When did they become liberals? Like. everything I dislike about liberals, the, you know, neoonservative foreign. policy, the identity politics at home, the promotion of like the destruction of.

people, drugs, pornography, crime. That's the Republican party. What I I. can't Where's the DSA and all this. stuff? >> Yeah. Wow. That's fascinating. I mean, you know, DSA is going through they're a. fascinating group. So, for example, everything you just laid out is probably. the position and the same articulation. that the DSA co-chairs, the people in. New York City who Fox News likes to. bring on and to argue with. >> The candidates themselves are very. interesting and you can either say this. is insidious or not, but they are.

learning and I I do at the very least. have to admire their ability to shape. shift from where they were not that long. ago. Abdul Elsaiad who's running in. Michigan against Mike Rogers who as you. and I know probably the most pro-Itel. neocon. They couldn't find anybody else. to run in Michigan for the United States. who by the way lost already. Why are. they running him again? Anybody want to. tell me that? >> Mike Rogers is really uh I would I. wouldn't vote for Mike Rogers at. gunpoint. >> Right. And so that's the candidate, the.

guy, a literal loser who lost when. Donald Trump won the state. Just to show. you how much of a headwind he had at his. back tool of Israel and the intel. agencies. How would you run someone like. that? I don't even It doesn't even make. sense. So that makes no sense. Well, Elsa, who look, Elsa is a full-blown DS. He doesn't call himself DSA. He's a. full-blown leftist. I've known him for. quite a long time. This is something you. know him personally. >> Not well. I've interviewed him many. times over the years because of my. co-host Crystal. And so I've watched his. ideological evolution who you could. easily call as AOC said was quote woke.

one, right? woke one where he said. defund the police on a podcast. He said. all kinds of silly things about football. and mas standard leftist shibival. >> Yeah. Hates Machina Island. He's for. vaccine mandates. >> Right. Classic stuff, >> right? >> I watch his campaign now. It's America. first. The amount of times he says he. doesn't even when he talks about Israel, he says Israel is committing a genocide, but ultimately I want to make sure that. you don't pay more for healthcare. I. don't want your tax dollars going abroad.

to fund this barbaric military. He. stands in front of a giant American. flag. It's almost Trumpian in terms of a. lot of literally Trumpian. >> Exactly. And so you see candidates like. that, especially him, he will be the. most interesting test case come. November. >> Is he going to win? >> If I if I had to bet uh which I don't, I. would probably bet that he'll win. >> I would think so. >> I think so, too. Do you have any idea. not to fixate on poor Mike Rogers who I. know, but I mean there's no one who. should be farther from a position of. power than Mike Rogers. How did he get.

the Republican nomination Senate? >> I looked into it. It was relatively. uncontested. He had uh both he had the. most backing of the Michigan GOP, which. is of course very in touch uh with their. own voters. >> like Rogers. So they just decided to go. with and again this is the guy who lost. to Slotkin when Donald Trump was able to. win the state and so they can cry about. vote rigging and all that as we want. Okay, whatever. But we all know that. this is not a strong candidate in a wave.

year which just happened and they. decided to nominate him literally yet. again. genuine. >> he was the AP pack candidate to be clear. and he's told Apac not to advertise in. public forum. >> right and do you see that's where I was. saying with Elsad his ability to go up. against Apac and to win if you're a DSA. person that's got to be one of the most. inspiring wins of your entire life. that's way bigger than Zoran mom. >> they got to get rid of the social. liberalism if they get rid of that. because that's where the world is most. people are not orthodox free market.

people they just want the economy to. serve their families. >> right. >> I think that's care. They want to be. treated fairly. I don't think there's. anything wrong with that at all. And. they're not for radical social change. They think that there are two genders. and each has a distinct role and like. it's not good to sexualize children and. drugs are bad and kind of want law and. order. I mean, these are not crazy. right-wing goals. >> That's what we call the socially, roughly speaking, socially conservative. >> view and that's the majority view around. the freaking world. Everyone feels that.

way. >> So why can't we have a party that feels. that way? Well, I mean that's where we. have to say we have to just be honest. here with the DSA. Like at the very. least they're not willing to have that. conversation. They are they are. >> because it's run by rich girls. Is that. why? >> I mean part of it is that but part of it. is deeply look they are a they were a. small movement with very little backing. as of eight years ago and they are now a. major force within the Democratic party. They're not in the dominant yet because. the establishment of the Democratic. party hates them largely over Israel but.

over all kinds of other uh campaign. issues. the healthcare, let's be fair, over one of them. But they are a a very. they are the prototip prototype of the. upwardly mobile white or downwardly. mobile highly educated largely white. female or male. Yeah, >> that's what they are. And you and I. having spent a lot of time around these. people, these people are largely. delusional whenever it comes to the. actual social views of the vast majority. of the public. Their theory of change is.

that Trump is so bad and has so. destroyed the credibility of. working-class messaging that we will. emphasize what we have here in our. America first platform whenever it comes. to Israel, healthc care for all, which. is their belief. We're going to not talk. about our radical social views, but they. still have them. Elsad is on tape saying. that Medicare for all should pay for. gender affirming surgery. Okay, he's on. tape for saying that. So, I don't want. to sit here and claim he is a. conservative or. >> or just like sensible. I mean, I don't.

know if you have to be, but if you're. telling me abortion is awesome, you're a. freak. >> You're a freak if you think it's. awesome. Maybe you think it should be. legal in some cases or whatever, but if. you're celebrating abortion, >> you're evil. Like, can can we just have. like a normal person run for some office. at some point? >> I agree. And and that's why I do want to. be say and and there are some within the. DSA who actually very very much disagree. uh with some of the tactics of the woke. 1.0 like AOC herself. Many of them saw. her as a much weaker person. I mean look.

you can see Zoron Mumani. I have a lot. of disagreements with Zoron especially. going in to the campaign. But you can't. deny that the guy has kind of embodied. their vision. the the the current DSA, at least the people I speak to, Crystal. specifically and Ryan, their vision I. know for that is like the sewer. socialist model, which is very much how. Zoron is trying to govern this the city. of New York is he does he uses his. extraordinary popularity and charisma. He focuses heavily on quality of life.

issues. He does use his political. capital on social issues which he feels. are very important to him. Let's say. like transgender day of visibility. but. he doesn't make it the main component of. his overall governance on law and order. He capitulated completely. He. reappointed Jessica Tish. There has been. at the very least now currently no. actual defunding of the police. He's. largely worked he apologized to NYPD for. saying he should defund the police. So. he retreated dramatically. He's a. pragmatist ultimately whenever it came. to that, at least rhetorically and from.

what we've seen. How is the crime in New. York? And so, well, actually, I mean, let's be fair. New York has one of the. lower actual crime rates in major. American cities. If you were to pick one. of New York or San Francisco, I'm. choosing New York every single day. And. he's also focused, let's say, on new. garbage containers in neighborhoods to. make sure that there's not trash on the. street. He put a video out this morning. about uh rebuilding the BQE, which is a. disaster. You and I have been on. I'll. say, you know, again, as a guy who has. deep deep disagreements with a lot of.

their vision, it's pretty attractive to. see somebody who says, "I'm going to fix. the infrastructure and I actually am. going to do it." As opposed to seeing. Donald Trump, who is multiple times now. run on rebuilding America. And now. whenever it does come to rebuilding, his. most recent tactic is to go to bat for. the data center companies and for AI. >> More weed, more porn. >> At a regulatory level, he's done that. But then even to the extent that they're. if you were to look at like what. projects do they support building their. main saving grace for their presidency.

has been AI. AI is the only reason we're. not in an economic depression. AI. capital expenditure specifically with. data center is the major driving of any. GDP growth that we have left. It is the. only thing heling up our capital markets. whenever it comes to the S&P 500. They. need AI to keep working and so they are. going to bat at a regulatory level, at a. rhetorical level to make sure that this. industry becomes the multi-trillion. dollar promise.

protect the public from mass. surveillance in the process. Why why. doesn't how about a bill in Congress. that Trump could call for saying you. want your data centers okay but we're. not going to turn this into East. Germany. Yeah, it was we are going to. every data center I mean he claims like. he says right executive orders they have. to pay for their own power but it hasn't. necessarily or they have to build their. own power whenever they build it. I. support that but that needs to be. codified into law. We need to make sure. that they are not bribing local. officials like that case in Utah with.

Kevin Olirri in the data center project. that he spearheaded. We need to make. sure look many of the water use claims. are overblown but at the very least they. are a somewhat of a concern. And then. power. Power generation is ultimate. The. amount of P Virginia where I live, 40%. of the power goes to data centers. 40%. It's the largest nation. 40% of power. generation goes to a data center. >> in the entire Commonwealth of Virginia. >> In the entire Commonwealth of Virginia. in Oregon, it's 30%. Uh in some of. these, it depends on various different.

states. Virginia is the worst because. all the data centers are largely powered. for the government for Amazon for we. have the best fiber optic cable for. because of the defense contracting. industry. But so that's it's an extreme. example but I'm giving one where you can. see that power generation itself is. becoming a zero sum game which is a. nightmare especially when you're. competing against one of the fastest. growing industries in the world which is. the most power hungry especially with. these hypers scale data centers. If we. had abundant cheap power, none of this.

would really be as much of a. conversation. But it is actually living. in a world where the administration is. coming to the back of these data center. companies and is in many cases is. attacking Republican governors who again. in my opinion are just trying to do some. very sensible stuff. Greg Abbott, who. let's not pretend he's doing this out of. the goodness of his own heart. He. dragged kicking and screaming to the. data center. >> He's about to miss that election. He. very well may but he signed a data. center moratorum and in it all he says. is look we're doing a moratorum we have.

to figure out rural land use and water. noise generation we need to make sure. that you don't get certain tax breaks we. just need to make things you know normal. so that the the when the local community. allows this the data center to be built. that they reap some of the benefits and. Trump comes out and is like I think it's. a mistake right he he said that when. about Greg Abbott And he he said that. about Kathy Hokll. He said there's all. these governors. Josh Shapiro similarly. also just announced another data center.

moratorum. The proponents of the data. centers will attack you for speaking. this way. They'll say you know better. than the water use or any of that not. being true. In some of these cases we've. been able to lower property tax. West. Virginia data centers they're looking at. potentially trying to remove their own. income tax. And if the the actual. benefits of all of that work out, I. would be happy. However, and this is. what you're talking about with mass. surveillance, with data, with privacy, is that we cannot use just the promise. of riches to offset what could.

potentially be an industry, which by. their own admission they say will be the. most radical social change, economic. change since the industrial revolution. Some of their own CEOs say that they. will make it so that none of us are even. necessary in their future world. I know. that privately they want that because. they want to be gods. They see. themselves as gods literally uh as. transhumanists like their goal is to. infuse the human in the machine and that. they will personally be part of a ver. rarified elite which is transnational.

above governments and so powerful that. governments are ultimately answerable to. them. That's where flock comes in. You. and Glenn did such a great job of. talking about that ma about mass. surveillance and it was amazing to me. you know with flock for example. everybody talks about the crime. I I. totally get it. It is very useful in. many cases, but but the internal. mechanisms and controls are not governed. by any real federal privacy laws. A lot. of it is up to these corrupt local. sheriffs. We have all these cases of. police officers stalking their.

ex-girlfriends or their wives while. using the technology. Only in response. to that do they put some safeguards in. They claim they delete some of the new. their new customers data will be deleted. after 7 days, not 30 days. It raises the. biggest question about warrantless. surveillance and privacy in your own. nation to be able to move about daily. lives. People say solving crimes is is. worth that. I say let's at least have a. real debate and guard rails and not. leave it entirely up to the companies. themselves. >> Well, they haven't ended crime. That's.

for sure. >> Of course not. Yeah. Right. >> I mean I I think Harris County, Texas. has the highest or one of the highest. penetrations of flock cameras. A lot of. crime there in Houston. So like. >> but I don't see Well, let me just ask. you a question that I actually have been. talking to someone involved in AI about. it. This morning we just interviewed a. guy called Nate Sorz who's the you know. the guy who. uh you know was a de early developer of. AI. He's been sounding the alarm that. it's out of control and super. intelligence is a threat to humanity and.

I know you're very familiar with the. argument. So he's written a new book on. this. He doesn't have a counterpart on the. other side. That's what strikes me. There's not one person I'm aware of who. can explain the tangible benefits to me. and other people from AI. All I hear is. China, China, China, China. I don't care. at all. I'm sick of your lies. China. Oh, shut up. >> But that's not even the beginning of an. answer to the question, why should I. support this?

>> Right. The Do you know the answer to. that question? >> I do actually. I have a lot of friends. in tech. >> So, what's the upside? They will the I'm. it's not a vision I necessarily support. The best case scenario for AI the way. that they see it is it will simply. remove friction in our daily lives. It. will be equivalent to a credit card. So. this is the case and my friend John. Kugan from TVPN gave me this analogy. He's much more bullish on AI than I am. The credit card was able to facilitate. more transactions and ease of pay which.

doesn't just open up the ability for me. to pay you. It opens up more financial. transactions via the distribution of. credit and of mass adoption of this that. more businesses can be built on. Right? It is simply a workplace invention which. unlocks productivity which creates and. grows the pie of the amount of commerce. that can take place in our society. That's how the I would say the best case. scenario for AI. The best case scenario. for AI is it makes white collar workers.

more productive at white collar work. It. makes radiologists able to view more. scans. They can do 30 instead of used to. be able to do 15. And in some cases that. that is true. I want to be fair. And it. can make research tasks. For example, all the notes that I have in front of. me, I had all the data from across all. of my different spreadsheets because I. research this topic and I cover it. often. I was able to use it to compile. all of that into one place. It would. have taken me hours. This was able to do.

it in five minutes. So that very. productive right in terms of what it's. able to gain that is the best case. scenario for AI is it is a workplace. productivity tool now and this is what I. would say also to my friends what else. did the credit card industry give us so. yes it facilitated more transactions it. eased payments between individuals it. made you know settlement of transactions. between by Visa make it so that even. disputes and all that can be resolved. but what do you talk about often with. credit card. >> 70 something% of people ended up in debt.

>> saves and the idea that the problem with. America is we don't have enough. commerce, >> right? >> We don't have enough creativity. We. don't have enough. >> contemplative time. We don't have enough. love between people. We don't have. enough commerce. Are you joking? We have. a lot of commerce, >> right? And so the argument is that. technology will remove friction. But. what we have seen is technology removes. friction in some ways but introduces it. in a variety of others. >> That's right. >> Email. Nobody was able to get in touch.

If you in the 1970s when you left your. job, somebody would have to call you on. the phone if something happens after. 5:00 p.m. Now, everybody just sends an. email. People are, if you know, white. collar workers, they're slaves to their. phones. Uh, and they're slaves to their. phones, not just for work purposes, but. they also have gambling entertainment. and Instagram reels and Tik Tok. And you. end up focusing so much on this device. that you forget all of the other things. that are around you, >> like your wife and your children. children. >> One of the most liberating things I ever.

did was get rid of email. >> Y. >> 10 years ago, no email. And. >> I don't know. I don't think it's made me. less productive. I think it's made me. more productive. >> Right. And and you're and you're in the. position to do that. But there are a lot. of people who are. >> No, it's a privilege. I agree. And I I'm. very aware of that. >> Right. And and I always think I don't. I'm also in a position where I'm my own. boss. I can do what I want. That's an. incredible feeling. I don't take that. for granted for a single day with that. because I know so many people who are. living in effective wage slavery who are.

chained to the desk and they're making. good money but they're spending all that. money because they need to be able to. buy a home or to support their child or. pay for daycare. Their wife has to work. even though she doesn't want to work. Uh. and that's tragedy actually to me. And. so what our system has done is when they. say productivity they want to make that. person more productive. What I want to. do is to give that person more leisure. or more ability to the extent that. they're more productive. I want them to. be able to use that productivity to make. up the time and spend it with their.

kids. There was a viral uh there was a. viral interaction. I think it was Sam. Alman who was talking about being able. to create custom podcasts that he said. parents could listen to these custom. podcasts in the car with their children. to use chatbt the calendars and all of. that and play that podcast. He said, "I. could imagine some I might butcher this, but it's like the ability to play that. custom cache petite podcast while the. parent drives their kid to school." And. any real parent is like, "I don't want. to do any of that.".

>> Well, imagine a world in which you're. getting parenting advice from Sam Alman. Exactly. >> No. Honestly, like a normal society be. like, "Hey, take a pass on that Sam. Alman.". >> When I drive my kid to school, if I when. I drive my kid to school, I want to ask. her how her day is. >> Yeah. Go fix my washing machine, son. I. don't What are you weighing in on stuff. you don't understand? do not tell me how. I should be interacting with my child on. the drive. >> But that's what ultimately their vision. for society is depersonalized and is. entirely sacrificed to the phone which.

ultimately is to their profit. is that. the more time I spend on chat GPT, the. more ads they can serve me of on the. free version, the more of my data that. they can suck up, the more that they. could potentially there's no. restrictions really on any of that data. They can do anything they want. Uh you. know how many people have there have. been cases lawyers have used Chat GPT. and they end up saying that's not. privileged and so they're able to. subpoena some of your privileged. information. Nobody knew that. Nobody. even thought about it whenever they were. using it for that purposes. And so the.

amount of our personal lives that we. give over to these things and then we. allow it to make decisions for. ourselves. I think one of the real. lessons I've learned as an adult is that. friction itself is learning and that. there is deep joy on the other side of. it. But you have you have to you know in. this modern world you have to you have. to intentionally put yourself in a. situation because it is too easy to. outsource your thinking just to AI. It's.

too easy to just outsource your. entertainment necessarily to gambling. what everybody else and all of that are. doing. It's a it's a seems an easy way. to get rich but the system everything is. designed to be extractive from you. And. so what do I want from our leaders? I. want them to end that. I want them to. create a society where, you know, everybody at home is not a slave to. their phone or to gambling or to any. other extractive means to be able to. spend time with their families. To be.

able to do it on a modest budget. We're. not saying it's for free, but on a. modest budget to be able to take a. vacation or two. And then the most. important thing that your child will. grow up and have a better life than you. do, which has been broken of the social. contract since my generation, the. millennial. That's exactly right. >> So, I just a couple more very quick. questions about politics because you. follow it closely. >> Do you think that there is a sizable. number of Trump voters, 2024 Trump. voters, who would vote for DSA. candidates? >> I've thought about this a lot. We don't.

have enough evidence yet. Michigan will. be the big test. There was a sizable. contingent of Trump Mum Donni voters. I. do know this. We interviewed many of. them on our show. Uh we sent our. producer out, found many of them. There's there's a decent overlap. actually maybe 10 15% or so of the. people who ended up voting for Mamani or. AOC even who voted for Trump. All of it. came down to the anti-war position. I do. think specifically on issue contingent. things like Israel, the war with Iran.

There is a massive swing group which in. our modern politics is everything. The. ability to swing even 2% of the. electorate is the difference between. winning or losing in half the states. that Trump won in 2024. So if you're. asking me is that contingent the. independent contingent available I would. say yes. But I do think that many. conservatives harbor a dream a sad a. dream which is I I wish for too but. which is just not reality where Fox News. hardened boomers. Are they going to.

vote? Let's put DSA out of it. Are are. they not going to vote or are they going. to turn on Trump? We haven't seen enough. evidence of that. We just haven't seen. enough evidence in terms of the support. for the war with the 65 plus coalition. Self-identified MAGA still seems very. appreciative of Trump like Trump. Now, the argument there would be. selfidentified MAGA is a much more. restricted group than where it used to. be before. Yes. Uh and and I wouldn't. make that argument because I say that. the independent people out of that, but. the people who are still in are very.

much in. Thomas Massie actually said. that to me. He said that the reality is. is that the Republican primary voter was. still willing to go with Trump on Israel. and with with Trump with the Adles and. with Israel on the Iran war and they. were able to vote him out of office and. he lamented that fact specifically about. elderly Republicans and so I just want. to break the midterms right. >> I don't know I don't know because Trump. is how will he respond to the midterms I. mean is there going to be.

self-reflection or is it just. >> by launching a ground war with launching. a ground war. Uh he will be the most and. this is part of the foolishness where do. I wonder like do they have any. self-preservation instincts? You were. around for Clinton uh 98 onwards. That's. your life, Mr. President. That's what. your life is going to be like uh under a. Democratic House and a Democratic Senate. and a House. Good luck to you, sir. The. amount of money if you're appointees, I. hope you all saved a lot of money. Your. legal fees are going to be insane. I. hope you all signed up for legal.

insurance. If you served in Doge or ICE. or in the Pentagon or any of these, you. will be called before the Congress. You. will be inundated by subpoena. There. will be independent councils and all. kinds of absolute insanity waged against. you and it's your fault uh for allowing. the country to get to a position where. something like that could be elevated. That that will be what his life is going. to look like. his last two years in. office if where things trend if things. are trending in the way I think they're.

trending. >> and you think they'll lose the Senate. >> it's it's possible it's I'm not 100 that. one there's still structural advantages. for some of the Republicans it depends. on the course of the Iran war I would. say the gas price there probably matters. more than anything but we're close. enough where I don't you know Iran gets. a vote in this war I two it'd be very. hard to go from economic D-Day back to. $3.50 50 cents gasoline. So in the. reality of where things seem to be. going, I would at least say this, they. have a 50% chance, which is 25% higher. than it should have been. And so if they.

have a 50% chance, maybe even a little. bit more of that, to be able to take the. Senate, we could even see 08 style of a. takeover. I I could see that. I mean, in. my bell curve of possibilities, if. things go dramatically in one vision, you can see Texas going Democratic, especially with. >> Yeah. especially with you got Abbott and. Paxton and there's enough drama there. You could see Alaska. There's actually. some questions that are up there. >> Uh you could see I mean I I saw a crazy.

poll out of Kansas. Who knows if it's. true. Could have just been leaked. Democratic opposition. But as you. remember from 2008, you can have. Democratic senators in all kinds of. places. Uh which you never would think. even possible. And maybe, you know, we're still too partisan of a country, but people are very upset. There's a. combination of people being very upset. and then a combination of people being. very demoralized and then even the. hardcore ones, why do they come out to. vote? Because Trump is not on the. ballot. And that is a perfect storm for.

those three things to come together for. a potential situation like the one I. just laid out. >> It sounds right to me. >> Yeah, >> I'll check poly market for the odds. Sucker, thank you for that. Was so smart. and thank you, Tucker. Needed. I. appreciate it.