Sean Davis: Trump Shooting Update, & the Real Reason Congress Refuses to Investigate

so almost exactly five months ago um the. Republican presidential candidate shot. in a fa in the face on camera um the man. who apparently did it is killed uh the. world stops history changes but the one. thing that doesn't happen is any. accounting of what that was who was this. guy how did this. happen um and even now on the cusp of. Trump's. inauguration it's it's disappearing I.

don't I haven't heard anybody ask those. questions I've heard some dark. mutterings um and so you're one of the. people I think was on the story at the. very beginning in a rational but. insistent way and so I thought it'd be. worth asking like what was that yeah I'm. not sure I've ever seen an incident of. that magnitude disappear from the news. so quickly yes we got what maybe a week. of like true kind of flood the Zone. coverage and then it was gone. [Music].

[Applause]. [Music]. [Music]. [Applause]. [Music]. that's that to me is the weirdest thing. about it but it was a shooting it was an. assassination attempt and it raised like. the most pressing possible questions. about a lot of different things and you. know I understand the news media didn't. want to give Trump any advantage didn't. want to run the picture of him.

triumphant I get it but you would think. that every elected official every. American would want to know how did how. was this allowed to happen it was. allowed to happen but by whom and why. and how and I don't hear anybody. including Republicans asking those. questions so like what is this yeah so I. kind of look at it as three big. questions who is the shooter yes. everything that kind of puts him. together how did they let it happen that. whole process and then what happened to. everyone who let it happen and then.

within that like the framework I have. trying to figure out you know what. exactly happened is you can look at it. as like option one just a total snafu. across the board everyone failed. accidents happened guy manages to get up. there it's exactly what it looks like so. that's option one and then you got. option two which is kind of what I would. call Strategic. incompetence so you have DHS which runs. Secret service and the Secret Service is.

a soup sandwich from top to bottom like. it's a disaster uh culturally everything. about it did you have people who were. making that even more difficult who were. deliberately making Trump. vulnerable on the off chance that maybe. someone would go solve their problems. for them so that that's my number. two my number three kind of scenario is. it encompasses all a number two but you. kind of have two different hands of. government you got the Secret Service.

hand which is just totally incompetent. uh making him completely vulnerable um. but unbeknownst to that hand you have. this other hand like I would call it. like the Russia gate hoax hand these. people who are just always doing awful. evil things the john brenn in hand yeah. was there somebody there looking for. super Disturbed impressionable young men. to kind of poke with the stick like you. know Trump trumps and Butler you should. go check that out.

so you have the incompetent hand and. then the DBS hand so that to me is. option three and they weren't working. with each other but they were creating. the conditions to allow that what. happened to happen and then I think the. fourth one is the government just killed. him it's like those are I kind of look. at everything through those lenses and. try to figure out can we disprove this. one what fits here and like where I am. now like kind of between two and three.

I I refuse to believe this was just a. series of unfortunate accidents and. incompetence that's put together it's. just not I just don't believe it because. I've been alive for the last you know 10. years watching everything they do yes. and yet say him I don't think there's. evidence for like the um JFK style like. we all know Lee Harvey Oswald didn't do. it right of course it's absurd so I. don't think there's any evidence or at. least I've not seen any to suggest that. was replicated here so I think it's.

somewhere in between deliberate. incompetence to make him vulnerable and. then you had some cell somewhere finding. someone to urge to go do it in ways that. would make it very hard to. trace so thank you for starting with. your conclusion let's work backward and. go through by number um the three. questions that you raised at the outset. who was Crooks Thomas Crooks the shooter. yeah we we still don't know like it it's. wild this kid comes out of no where.

manages to get on the. roof shoots president Trump fires eight. shots before anyone even like remotely. tries to bother him um is able to fly a. drone there for like 10 or 20 minutes. did Recon multiple times throughout the. day had an an operative operable IEDs in. his car had a bomb in his. house and we still know basically. nothing about him I it it's crazy so. America First Le.

um they sued to get his academic records. and turns out he a really good student. really good student I think he got his. entire time in high school and college. like maybe two C's I think one was in. Spanish and one was in differential. equations and the rest were mostly A's. and some B's here and there so he was. like a smart smart kid. um one of the congressional committees. did a investigation looking into it um. and parents really didn't know much.

about their own son like I think uh. either the mom or the dad at the point. asked are you gay like you're not dating. anyone what's going on like they don't. even know kind of what's going on there. um we know the FBI has like his phone. his devices his computer they know who. he was talking to they know where he. went they know where he bought stuff. they know what he searched. for and we don't know anything about. that so in there's a report from the.

homeland security committee that tried. to dig into it and there two. congressional committees in the house. and the Senate that actually did a. really good job given all the. constraints they have figuring stuff out. so they asked the FBI you know all these. questions because the FBI took the lead. on it give us all this. information at the time the Senate put. out their initial report the FBI had. given them 27 Pages. total H. how I mean it's Congress he could shut. the FBI down what what I don't.

understand what is going on yeah and you. had the grounds could would they not. turn that over do you know they it's. this weird thing that happens they. actually don't have any legal basis to. do it they'll say things like well. ongoing investigation that's totally. made up even when there is an ongoing. investigation and not when your suspect. is dead so like clearly no one's going. to be criminally tried for that because. he's dead um even that's totally made up. there's nothing in the Constitution that. says this agency that Congress created.

and is funded by Congress can just not. give them stuff because reasons it's. totally made up so I think a big reason. is most people in Congress are totally. weak like they're cowards yeah that's. for sure they don't want to get. crosswise with the FBI it would take a. lot of work so they just kind of like. huh okay I guess we won't get ongoing. investigation yeah the house committee. for example they also did a great job. they said that the FBI interviewed over. a thousand. people in the course of their investig.

and they produced over a thousand. they're called FD 302s which is how the. FBI it's actually crazy what they're. allowed to do I know they don't have to. have a transcript or anything when they. interview you they just have a a piece. of paper that's their recollection of. what you said and then that becomes. gospel have to record it no no that's. actually how James Comey got Marth. Stewart thrown in prison oh I know yeah. it's so dirty but so they have a. thousand interviews over a thousand. documents they gave the house 81.

it's just mind-blowing so we we don't. know like anything about this Crooks guy. Beyond I think like maybe a 15minute. press conference that one of the FBI I. think might have been the FBI guy out of. Pittsburgh who runs that office like 15. minutes of him talking in very vague. like 50,000 foot terms about what they. knew oh he searched for Joe Biden and. Donald Trump do you remember that yes. how how that came out and that was meant.

to uh make it look like oh the guy. didn't really have any political motives. did he I mean what were his motives well. I mean the base motive was he wanted to. kill Donald Trump right which which. everyone kind of got lost over they. you'd have the Talking Heads being like. what was his motive well I think he. wanted to shoot Trump in the. face just spitball in here but so you. have the FBI is like well he searched. for Trump and and Biden so clearly he. didn't any political views I'm like well.

well how many times did he search for. what was he searching that's like kind. of a it's kind of an important thing. well he searched for the DNC and the RNC. okay great that's utterly worthless. information that I could do nothing with. and they're like and that's. it so we I mean we literally don't know. we know nothing about this kid no we. don't know who he was talking like here. are the things I would want to know all. the places he went in like the six.

months leading up to this not just the. week I want to know every place he went. I want to know every person he talked to. in person I want know every person he. had a phone conversation with texted. with telegrammed with signaled with I. want to know everything he looked for on. Google Maps I want his whole internet. search history and I like want to go. through it in real time and like just. find out what was happening I assume the. FBI's done that I know they have the. capability to do it why why like why has. congress not been told anything about it.

and why we. not it's just and so that kind of stuff. is why it's impossible for me to look at. everything and be like well it was just. a series of unfortunate accidents but I. mean the the core question in any crime. is like why was it. committed and I mean we're not it sounds. like there's no progress whatsoever none. none well that itself is like just tells. you that the country is in freef Fall. that it's just so corrupt it can't even. carry out the basic functions of.

government trying to figure out why. murderers murder right but but like like. who is he talking to was he just alone. in his own Silo doing all this did he do. everything on the internet I don't. believe it because at one point they. told us oh he had encrypted text. messages some of which were overseas and. they just let that float out there and. then never talked about it. again is there any evidence he was in. touch with any specific person or group. overseas uh none that I've seen none so.

we just we total Black Box yeah okay so. Heritage Foundation at one point one of. their guys over there great investigator. Mike Howell um I don't know how he did. it um was able to get um like location. data on devices that had been in or near. Thomas krook's home yes in in the weeks. or months leading up to it um and then. where those had been so I think this. came out like maybe a week after yes.

there was one that had pinged around the. FBI now that could be a the FBI building. in Wasington in Washington now that. could be a ton of different things cuz. everything's around the FBI of course. that's but I'd like to know more about. that but we haven't been told anything. so um he had IEDs he sent up a drone so. in order what were the iids do we have. any idea yeah so he had two IEDs in his. car that they found afterwards they were. wired they had detonated in them they.

had primers they were connected to. remote sensors that he had a a remote. control for on the roof to set off now. what's super weird about it is in the. car the remote transmitters there were. off so even if he had that remote. transmitter in his hand he couldn't have. set him off so that to me is weird you. go through all this trouble you're going. to try and kill the president you've got. all these bombs in your car but then you.

don't I mean they're technically armed. but there was nothing that he could do. to set them off that's weird it is weird. it doesn't make any sense to me and he. but I should have asked this earlier No. statement of any kind no Manifesto no. description of his own beliefs about. anything nope of any kind none he liked. shooting like he seemed to go to a. shooting range every now and. again that clearly he likes shooting and. I you know right after the shooting. there were all these you know usual I.

was a door kicker of some special. operations people on TV saying that's an. easy shot 130. yards that's just not true that's just. that's a lot I mean I shoot a lot he. Crooks turn a cop a local cop came up a. ladder behind him he cook Point tell. correct me if I'm wrong Point him back. the cop down and then immediately. assumed the prone position got off eight. shots at that and I think it was was 130. yards uh I think it was probably 150 but. like whatever plusus pretty far yeah and. um and got as close as the president's.

ear so. under extreme stress as a 20-year-old. with no military training I mean Luck. play does play a role in everything. including shooting but I'm sorry I I. have a 100 yard rifle range I know what. that is that's like pretty good yeah. it's it and it it's helpful to know what. he had so he had I think it was a DPMS. AR-15 like pretty vanilla off the shelf. I had wondered for a long time what is. optic was yes was he using iron sights.

cuz to me that makes all the difference. for like a Layman between hard and easy. like you take some like pipe hitter. who's been doing it for 20 years. whatever he can he can do what he can do. he only had a red dot on it so he had a. hollow sun Red Dot with a 2m MOA Red Dot. no. magnification that I I like to think I'm. a pretty good shooter I shoot a lot I. think that's a tricky shot I totally. agree especially under stress yeah and. and which is always the key it's like. anyone can sit on a sun afternoon with. your kids and like you know on the bench.

with completely but there's a cop behind. you with a gun and you lie down and get. off eight shots and one of them is just. spot on well and he only missed cuz. Trump turned his head know like when you. know the angle like he started out with. a Target like this that became. this like yes it and so he went you know. from probably a four to six inch Target. to like a one inch Target just based on. where he was aiming that I my friends.

are gonna make fun of me for saying like. that's a hard shot I think that's a. tricky shot no magnification under. duress on a hot roof it is a tricky shot. I don't care all these people like I do. that you know okay show me yeah if you. have like a you know 18x magnifier on it. you're shooting it paper and you're on a. bench and you've got a nice little. platform set up that's an easy shot. police officer behind you coming up to. shoot you uh so yeah no I mean but again. you know luck does play a role in life. for sure in life as and you know luck as. luck as a component but um okay so he.

brings these explosives inside what. should be a perimeter he puts it was. outside the perimeter so it was in his. car right um so I don't think that was. within like the security perimeter. that's just wherever he parked his car. but he's got bombs in it he's got. operational bombs in his car how and he. puts a drone up what do we know about. that so we know that we he showed up. around the park I think around 1:00 so. that the event was starting 6 F so they. probably open the doors at 4 let people.

in he was there beforehand just kind of. walking around looking at things casing. it comes back at I think 345 is. 351 and flies a drone for like 20. minutes flies it all around looks at. everything gets a bird's eye view they. were able to recreate the path that he. had um when they got the Drone and the. controller um but there were no. pictures from that flight so he's. looking at it on his controller look.

flying it and seeing what it sees but. when they go to the device there's no. images on it they can recreate the. flight path but that's it so he does. that for like 20 minutes and what's. interesting is the whole day so the. Secret Service didn't send their own. drones but they sent some guy who'. gotten trained like a month or two. previous not on drone mitigation but on. drone detection so he brings his little. stuff in where he can go and detect a. drone they can use it to figure out. where the controller is and where a.

person is doesn't work all day he spends. like hours on the phone with an 800. number doing text support no come on. 100% doing tech support turns out he had. a bad ethernet. cord you can't you can't make that up he. had a bad ethernet cord so he finally. gets his working at like. 4:15 literally minutes after Kooks had. been done doing his Recon with his drone. we told you before about data brok ERS. those are companies that operate 1984.

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they say that they recreated the flight. path and it went all around the area. whether it went right over that Podium I. don't I don't I would assume so you have. 20 minutes it wasn't a big. area he gets somehow a rangefinder onto. the site through a secret service. screen uh no I don't think he I don't. think he took it through the. magnetometer so one of the problems was. you have this area that really isn't. that big it's a farm show so you've got. you know uh a horse ring for people.

doing stuff with livestock you've got a. big field you've got Grand stands here. and there you got a bunch of barns but. it's not a big area and you would think. they would have made the whole thing the. security perimeter like a full circle. all the way around you're not getting in. without getting checked for anything but. they ended up carving out this area. which was the American Glass research. the AGR building like the sprawling we. call it like a five building complex and. it was from one of those roofs that he. shot Trump from and they decided you.

know we're going to put that outside of. our security perimeter so you can get to. that area without haven't been screened. or anything no magnetometers no Pat. downs and that's like 130 150 yards from. the. president um I think he may have been. around that area with the rangefinder he. may have gotten in but they they ask one. of the Secret Service agents he's like. well range finder is not a prohibited. item it's suspicious it makes you wonder.

yeah why would you have a range fight. yeah he's not golfing okay he's not like. trying to figure out get Jo use the nine. iron or like the my pitching wedge um. like you you know why someone has a. rangefinder and for shooting yeah and. and and by the way there's a there's a. difference between Golf rangefinders and. Ballistic rangefinders of course there a. big difference yeah like you get a nice. ballistic Rangefinder and it'll like. it'll tell you not just like your. horizontal distance it'll give you your. actual shooting distance compensating.

for your angle of view and all that like. that's not like oh it's it's 108 yard. plus camo yeah yeah yeah it looks like. so they they see that and and the local. cops flag him as suspicious so the local. Cops start kind of getting on their. radios and saying hey there's a dude. with a rangefinder like everyone be on. the lookout for it uh Secret Service. doesn't really hear this because all the. counter snipers uh they're their lead. counter sniper who is the most Junior.

person on the team which I find. fascinating the counter snipers hadn't. been used I think on a non-presidential. event in ever this was the first. one they put of the four people they. send the most Junior guys the team. leader he doesn't even bother to go pick. up his radio that would have given him. coms with all of the local. police that's mindblowing to me mind I. was uh talking to a former Army Ranger. sniper friend of mine was a sniper in.

combat was a team leader and before I. even started telling him kind of the. stuff I learned and stuff I knew he said. well I mean a radio is a sniper's most. powerful weapon it's not the gun like. that that's actually not the sniper's. job it's like one of seven things a. sniper does like the most important. thing they do is they observe and they. record and they communicate and so this. guy who's leading all of the counter. snipers who are there by the way because. there had been a specific. long range threat against Trump from a.

foreign actor that they knew about. that's why they were. there. uh the guy doesn't even bother to get. his. radio and so when Trump is on stage when. you've got all the the local cops like. setting their hair on fire trying to get. this guy who um they know has a. rangefinder he's acting super weird. um at one point you have local law. enforcement starting to draw their. weapons that's something you would think.

like maybe the Secret Service people on. stage or the guys on roofs would want to. know about they had no. idea wouldn't I mean the first priority. would be to establish communication. between all law enforcement agencies on. site right me that just seems like. obvious they so and they didn't even. have a unified command post they had the. Secret Service in one little area and. then they had the local guys over here. and then they had I think one or two. people who were local in the Secret. Service command post but they didn't. actually have a unified command post. which is also.

Bonkers. um can I ask how Crooks knew that this. one cluster of buildings was the one. place in the whole area that was outside. the security perimeter how would you. know that so let let's define terms here. so security perimeter is where you can. get in where you don't have to get a pat. down or through a magnetometer so that's. just like superficially obvious. I can walk all the way over there and I.

don't have to go through magnetometer. and then you've got the security bubble. which is like the area that people are. responsible for which is going to be a. much a broader bigger area than just. your security perimeter he knew because. he'd been walking around there for five. hours totally. unmolested got a drone up he had a. rangefinder he cased the place he knew. it just by having walked around me like. oh there's no cops over there I'm going. to go over.

there it's ABS. it's do we ever find out why those. buildings were not under surveillance. just because it was such an obvious. shooting. platform yeah so this this is what I. find the most. enraging the this counter sniper team. lead been deposed in a bunch of uh by a. bunch of different committees he gives. different answers in all of them. like if you want. you know failure uh failure has a lot of.

uh people to blame and so I don't think. you can blame it on one person I think. you can blame it on one organization. which is a secret service utterly. incompetent from top to bottom it it's a. totally rotten culture with no. accountability nothing so um and within. that you had a bunch of people who. failed but the last link of failure. which is what allowed the guy to get a. shot off was from was due to this. counter sniper team lead he shows up I. think 4 days ahead of time to do his. advance so I think this would have been.

the Wednesday which would have been July. 10th Trump shot on a Saturday July 13th. he has four days on site puts together. his plan kind of sketches out where he. wants everyone he never set foot on or. in that building. never wh uh why this will blow your mind. uh he's testifying to one Congressional. committee and they're like well they. asked him that question so you never set.

foot over there like even the day of. when you got time to do a final walk. through and he says no you well you see. because I had to go do a bunch of. paperwork and I want to make sure my. paperwork was good and like wasn't fuzzy. and stuff quote you live in die by. paperwork I thought you lived and Di by. bullets yeah no you live and die by. paperwork he was so focused on his. paperwork that he never went and. actually looked around the other thing. that's crazy do you know about this guy. by the way um I know a little bit don't.

know his. name uh he had been with the Secret. Service I think for six years no prior. military. experience uh no prior Sharpshooter. sniper. experience uh he showed up worked for. two years because you have to work like. a desk or trailing someone for two years. before you can be a counter sniper and. then he had been a counter sniper for. the rest of his time there now I. personally find that kind of crazy.

I would think if you want someone whose. job is to think what a sniper thinks. like and be able to have countermeasures. and protect against that you'd probably. want a guy who had done that job before. yeah like if you're going to have. somebody teaching your basketball team. how to do defense you'd like to know. that they've made a basket before of. course yes but that's not what happened. here so you had a guy who no prior. military experience no prior sniper. experience he actually wasn't a sniper. he was a sharp shooter he could shoot.

I'm sure he could shoot well from long. range but that like that doesn't make. you a sniper you have to know you have. to know so much there's Recon there's. observing there's getting into position. there's communicating there's recording. those are all the things that people who. go into sniper School in the military. spend weeks and weeks doing before they. ever touch a gun and they'll talk about. like the you can kind of teach anyone to. shoot a gun yes that's the easy part. it's it's mechanical it's learning all. the other.

stuff it's like the real value in the. job so this guy never had that just Tada. he's a counter sniper now so he's. setting up his. perimeter uh he had no idea when he set. the people up where he wanted them for. the event so you've got Trump on stage. you've got three barns behind him to his. to Trump's 3:00 which is directly north. you've got that AGR building where the. uh the shooter was the sniper team set. up directly behind Trump on two of the.

three barns behind him so the ones that. we've all seen in that shot were like. you got one guy on the tripod who pops. up and looks around and then you've got. the other guy who's prone they never saw. the shooter because there's a gigantic. tree in their way from where they were. line of sight to where the building was. where crook shot gigantic tree blocking. like a third of the building they never. saw him wow so then you have theam te. leader and his partner and his partner's.

the one who shot Crooks they're on the. southern. barn and so one's on one side one's on. the other the counter sniper team leader. he never saw the shooter shooter was. dead before he ever saw. him so you've got one guy basically in. that whole area who has visibility on. that roof and you would think oh well he. must have been scanning that area. regularly well they Congress deposed. this guy and he says no that actually. wasn't my area that I was supposed to be.

scanning so if you think of a clock you. know 12 12:00 3:00 6:00 9 Trump's in the. center where he's looking is 12:00 the. position from which he was shot would be. 3:00 the guy who actually shot him he. was actually watching from 6 o' to. 12:00 so east south and west of trump. yes he was never looking over there it. wasn't until he heard shots that he. turned over there so all the people who. were tasked with doing counter sniper.

surveillance and mitigation only one. person ever actually saw the shooter. even though he'd been on the roof for. six minutes so it sounds like there was. a a blind spot an entire quadrant that. they weren't even looking at correct how. can that be uh incompetence that's. incompetence laziness and arrogance and. uh afterwards the Secret Service you. might recall tried to blame the local. cops of course go they they were. supposed to do we had them in the. building they never told the cops number.

one that their job was to be scoping out. that roof all of the the cops uh from. the local police forces who were there. to provide uh sniper coverage first off. they were never told that they were. counter snipers they were told they were. OverWatch so they set up in an area in. the building where they had a great shot. of the crowd pretty much the entire. crowd and they're watching it the whole. time they had no idea that they were. supposed to be looking at a building. roof which which is 180° to their left.

and because of how the window opened it. was like one of those I think they call. them casement windows they've got the. crank so youve got to crank it and then. it slowly opens it's not a double sash. that opens top and. bottom I don't think they could have. seen that if they had wanted to just. because of how that window opened they. they'd have to get. around like almost leaning out the. window to see which of course they're. not going to be doing because they think. their job is crowd OverWatch so those. guys somehow get blamed in media reports.

by people who are obviously Secret. Service sources well we put them in that. building that was their. responsibility and all of them were like. no that was never our responsibility we. had we had no idea Al so they're local. cops it's not their job to protect the. candidate or president right yeah just. because you Secret Service have chosen. to delegate uh you know one of your. responsibilities it doesn't stop being. your responsibility it's a core that is. your respons you have like you have. literally one job you don't let the. president get shot in the face yes and.

so they're they're uh questioning this. guy this counter sniper team lead and. they're trying to get him to admit that. things were done. wrong and so they're asking him so like. were would would you consider what. happened to. failure goes. possibly the candidate shot in the face. and that's a possib possibly and what's. weird is I I does this guy still work. for the he still works for the Secret. Service he was put on admin leave for. like a week and it was more like a.

mental health therapy leave yeah. something traumatic happened Michael. bird you murder someone and you're the. victim exactly yeah um and then he's. like right back working full-time for. the Secret Service now now as far as we. know was anybody from Secret Service. fired no not not that we know of so you. had Kim cheel who is the head of Secret. Service he's a total idiot I thought she. was a. hero she's a woman so she's a hero. obviously yeah she strong and brave yeah.

so she retires then you had her Deputy. who was like the guy who actually in. charge of the dayto day he gets elevated. doesn't get fired those are the first. two people I fire in instantly like I. find the leadership Channel like the. leadership chain and I find everyone in. it like you're all you're all gone it's. not personal you might be great people. but secret service calls itself a zero. fail agency you clear failed yes and to.

my knowledge nobody's been. fired the problem is that these are the. the bodyguards and so you know um in the. ottoman Court everyone was afraid of the. bodyguards right so like that's who runs. your coup that's exactly we're getting. we're getting to like the mo the most. basic facts of life which is the armed. people are in charge and so um you know. you hate to think that's the rule in. America but do you think it's possible. that people are afraid to mess with the. Secret Service because no one wants to.

mess with the bodyguards well I assume. that's why we've never gotten the truth. on the JFK. shooting like I just kind of assume. secret Services was involved somehow and. that's why presidents have been cowed. into not releasing. it interesting it would it wouldn't. shock me I mean that that's like the mo. you know that's the most basic interest. of anybody's not to get shot to death if. you think right right um yeah and not. you know I'm speculating to some extent. but you do wonder I always wondered and.

I asked like if you're the Trump. campaign why don't you make a I mean I I. I think or I know that Trump. thinks he doesn't want to whine about. being shot because you seem weak when. you want they tried to shoot me you know. he he downplayed it on purpose um and I. think that was a it was a manly thing to. do it's impressive thing to do there's. dignity in that I admire it however like. it is kind of important to find out what. happened and I always suspected that.

maybe you know they felt a little bit. threatened because they've got a. campaign they've got months more of. campaigning to do they want to do. outdoor venues Trump loves outdoor. venues he's Brave he's obviously. physically Brave we know that on the. other hand do you really want to piss. off your bodyguards I mean do you think. that is part of the dynamic. here I mean I how could it not be well. you're a human right um yeah you had the. people on the stage uh they didn't know. anything was going on until Trump had. been shot like you would think the.

people on the stage who are like the. literal personal protective detail the. ones who physically form fat girls on. the stage is that no there was I think. there was one one okay yeah but there. were there were several men um on there. those guys are the ones who like. physically have to go in and I think. they call it a body bunker they put. around the president yes they had no. idea anything was going on or there was. anything any trouble anywhere until they. hear shots fired and they interviewed. the guy who came so if you're watching.

Trump and um you see the Secret Service. agents come in the guy on the left gets. in first so I think the house Butler. task force interviewed him and they said. okay take us through what was going on. in your head in that moment he's like. well yeah we we heard some scuttlebutt. that local police were looking at. something at 3:00 like to to Trump's. right that was it he said and then I. heard like a pop. like uh he said my my immediate thought.

was it sounded like one of those poppet. firecrackers you throw on the ground. yeah exactly it always does yeah and he. said so that's that's what I thought it. was so I thought it was a Heckler in the. crowd there must have been like a. Heckler who got the poppets in the crowd. and then I hear the second shot and I'm. waiting to hear in my ear. Heckler he said then I heard the third. and that's when I knew and by the way. he's hearing nothing in his ears at this. point getting no communication say. that's the point at which I go and jump.

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shot like where did they go those eight. shots I think they were only able to. find actual bullet fragments from. two so there were actually there were 10. shots fired total there were eight from. Crooks there was one from a local law. enforcement officer who shot almost. simultaneously with Crook's eighth. shot so you have one two three you had a.

burst of three then you had a burst of. five and then the five like all went. High one of them hit a hydraulic line on. one of those like tele handlers or LS or. cranes behind it so it starts spewing. hydraulic fluid everywhere and you see. it drop all of a sudden after the. hydraulic line gets punctured if you. watch the video again so I think that. was from that second group so it was. three and then five as Crooks fired his. eighth. shot uh local officer fires his gun at. Crooks he swears he got.

him there's no like forensic medical. evidence that he did but there's no. firing from Crooks after that point. after that eighth shot and then 15. seconds later comes the shot that kills. Crooks no way 15. seconds and and the reason that happened. was because nobody had eyes on the roof. so you had your sniper 15 seconds yep so. that's an entire Magazine worth of I. mean you could fire entire easy with an.

AR you could easily unload a. MAG W that is crazy town yeah so you. have the sniper who's who's on on the. roof who takes the shot he's been. watching so like if you are Crooks if. you're where the shooter is and I'm. where Trump is the guy who shot him is. looking here and all the way over here. the whole time he's looking to his left. and back around yes so he hears the he. has to get up Orient himself to where.

the shots are coming from where if he's. got like ear muffs on or ear protection. on that can be kind of hard to do. because those those play tricks with. locating sound yeah it's imposs so he's. got he's got to locate the guy where the. shots are coming from has to make uh. identification of the guy who's got the. gun and then has to fire at him so like. I don't even blame that guy um cuz he he. was to watch this sector he's watching. it um but yeah 15 seconds and he fires.

one shot who is with a 38 uh 300 Win Mag. wow that's a big that's a big boy gun. that's a scary gun so it's 300 Win Mag. really is that what they use yeah Black. Hills ammunition so the cartridge was. Black Hills it was a 210 grain uh hollow. point oh my God tip on it so that ends. the convers so that for people who don't. shoot that's so much larger than the 223. or 556 round that Crooks is shooting I. mean it's just well and the cartridge is.

huge yeah it's like four bucks a. cartridge I mean it's like it it's a big. that's a big boy cartridge and when you. fire a 300 wi mag like you feel that you. get fatigued pretty quick had someone. come to my range um just at my house and. with his grandfather's 300 wind mag. we're just shooting on Sunday afternoon. and he just charges the thing and I was. like man no more of that that's too loud. I can't it so loud it shakes my MERS. yeah you go to a range where someone. shooting like 300 or around and you're. like oh it's impolite I don't know put a.

suppressor on it no I totally agree wow. that's in that's 210 grain that's a big. that's a big bullet yes and so I think. he hits him from 155 yards and it hit. him in the lip goes through the face out. the neck but then back into his back and. they recovered a fragment of the. mushroomed uh bullet from krook's body. well he didn't suffer. not with a 210.

grain from a 3 wind ma um wow so tell me. about the cop who says he shot Crooks. where was he he was so there was this. Furious action going on by the AGR. building yeah I I believe there were. five either four or five different local. law enforcement agencies so you had the. Pennsylvania State Police you had the. Troopers you had Butler County Police so. Butler County was the county where. Butler is you had the Butler Township.

Police yes you had the Beaver County uh. I think Sheriff's so they're one County. West of Butler and then you had the. Washington County which is southwest of. Butler so you had five different local. law enforcement the Washington guys I. believe were down by the horse Ring yeah. um which probably a good 4 to 500 yards. away from everything but they they had. Fairly good visual coverage of. everything so it was mostly the Butler.

and and Beaver County people so they're. furiously searching around you've got. one guy who who tried to climb on the. roof because they're furiously searching. he climbs on the roof he's got he uh his. partner hoists him up so he's kind of. holding on like this to the roof looks. up and sees the shooter right there he. says the shooter turns on him and aims. him and he said I don't know what. happened next I don't know if I lost my. grip. he said next thing I know I'm on the. ground I'm on the concrete he said.

there's no way for me to pull my gun cuz. I'm he's like hanging like doing a. pull-up he's like I'm hanging there I'm. not going to be able to like no so he. says I don't I don't remember exactly. what happened all I know is I saw him. Crooks turned and aimed his rifle at me. and the next thing I know I'm getting. myself up off the. concrete damn so who is the cop who says. he shot Crooks I think it was a Beaver. County cop at at some distance though um. yeah I mean not he wasn't right on him.

but he had him in his sights fired one. round with a rifle with a rifle swears. he shot him but there's no evidence that. he did there there's no forensic. evidence in crooks' body that he was. shot but crook stopped firing after the. eighth round which was simultaneous with. the round from that. cop so did he hit the gun. maybe there's some speculation that. might have hit the. stock well it sounds like he stopped the.

shooting he absolutely did whether he. hit him or not he absolutely did so a. magazine has obviously more than eight. rounds in it um and I assume kookas did. as well he had unfired rounds in the in. the mag when he was when the rifle was. recovered right they recovered I think. all eight shell casings no but he still. had ammunition in the magazine oh yeah. yeah yeah right so what I'm asking is it. sounds like the local cop stopped the. shooting yeah yeah he didn't run out he. didn't stop shooting cuz he ran out of. ammo exactly correct so it was not the.

Secret Service that stopped this. assassination attempt it was local. cops I mean yeah that's when the. shooting stopped it stopped permanently. when he got a 210 grain Hornady tip. through his upper lip yeah but the. shooting had been stopped prior to. that wow what 15 seconds as as noted as. a very long time what wh why cuz they. had no eyes on him you had your two. snipers on the roof in the North barn. and that was the number two unit how how.

they were um kind of categorized and all. the documents they never saw him because. they had a gigantic tree in their way it. was impossible and so it's interesting. we all watched that footage everyone's. wondering who got him so they see the. guy who's kind of kneel kneeling down. he's on the big tripod people. automatically assumed oh well he did it. and then he's got the guy prone next to. him no well he must have been the one to. do it but you see him like he's either. looking through I think his binoculars.

he might have been looking through his. scope he hears the gunshots and he pops. up do you remember this in the video. pops up and he kind of looks around and. you're like why is he off the glass. that's weird he's he doesn't know where. it came. from like those two guys on that North. barn are furiously looking where it is. there's no way you could know I mean it. be like impossible to know yeah unless. you were looking had someone looking. there exactly which they didn't and then. had the counter sniper team lead who had.

convinced himself that because they had. local cops in the building that that was. their job to be watching that even. though it was physically impossible for. them to do uh and they were never told. they had to do that and then the one guy. who had a sight line to that was. assigned a sector that was exact. opposite of. it how how. like that's a lot of incompetence it's. unbelievable so three people were shot. shot two in addition to president Trump. yeah yeah that was your question sorry. we I got sidetracked you said where did.

the bullets go yeah so three people were. shot uh Cory comparator the the. firefighter he was shot two other men. were shot um we know two other men yes. there were three there were four people. shot. Trump two men who were shot and didn't. die in in Corey who was killed by a. bullet yeah right next to my producer. like right next to. him which is wild um yeah he was right. there he said he was covered in blood.

wow from it yeah I'm only saying that. cuz there's a lot of drama it's not just. Trump getting shot in the face yeah man. died yeah was murdered yeah and two. others were shot do we know anything. about them or how they fared they're. they're alive and well um there was an. interview with them by one of the. networks couple weeks ago but they're. alive and well they're talking about it. um obviously they'll carry scars with. forever um but I don't believe they were. permanently disabled in any way damn but.

they couldn't account for all the. bullets yeah which which makes sense you. know something Nicks a a bleacher and. goes off into the ground you're never. finding a bullet these are 22 caliber. bullets just to be clear yep so so they. were. 223 caliber bullets and a 5.56 cartridge. right yeah but but the bullet itself 22. caliber yep these are tiny tiny very. small people who don't shoot guns and. think ARS are massive big powerful guns.

they'd be shocked at how tiny uh 223. rounds are point poity the point how. fast they're going but it's not a 210. grain Hornady tip 3 mag right which you. could not mistake for anything but like. a bullet right yeah so uh wow okay so we. know nothing about the shooter we know. nothing about why he did this his. beliefs um who spoke to we he's just we. know nothing about him he's a cipher. yeah no literally nothing he's the only.

20-year-old with no social media. presence and apparently know Cutlery. silverware in his house so yeah I. remember I remember that news my. daughter told me that so it was reported. that afterwards um I don't my theory is. that um silverware was taking his. evidence because he was mixing bombs in. his house oh I did not read anywhere. that when officers showed up because. they interviewed one ATF agent who's.

actually in the home and who's the one. who discovered the IED in kook's bedroom. no mention of no silverware he's like no. it's a normal house it was well-kept it. was clean it's not like a bunch of uh. slobby sloppy hoarders lived there it. was like a nice normal house in order um. yeah so I I don't know where the silver. because I've heard the same thing I've. not read a single report from someone. who is there that says yeah we got in. there and there's no. silverware I suspect that they took it.

to test it forensically to see if he was. mixing bombs with it because he had a. gallon of nitromethane in his uh in his. closet it was openly viable what I. pardon me what's Nitro meth it it's uh a. major component of bomb making um it's. liquid has an odor and can you can you. buy it at a hardware store yeah to. totally buy it off the shelf huh. nitromethane yeah so he had a gallon of. it and so the the ATF guy walks in sees.

the bomb looks around sees in his closet. this gallon of explosive material and. then at that point they immediately. clear the whole house and I believe all. the houses one house around. it wow but that but but we still don't. know anything about him or why he did. this we also don't know why according to. your account why the Secret Service M. made this like colossal error in.

judgment and just like left out an. entire quadrant of a potential field of. fire just kind of ignored it we don't. know why no no but we do know they blame. it on. Manpower that that's that's always the. easy bureaucratic solution but even that. is it true that um Dr Jill Biden. America's I think most famous amazing. doctor amazing doctor doctor she should. be searching in. general um but is it true that she was.

having an event and that that bled off. like Manpower that could have been used. to the Trump yes when it didn't just. bleed off Manpower so she had an event. in Pittsburgh um there was bleed off in. the radios so the secret service at the. butler event for Trump was actually. having issues with their radios because. they were getting bleed over from the. radios from the agents at Jill Biden's. event Dr Jill's Dr Jill excuse me excuse. me Dr Jill. that's. incredible um and okay so that's a whole.

lot of we don't knows like um so your. third question was what happened after. to everybody yep nothing nothing yeah. sorry to break the suspense there but. like. nothing okay so what do you think this. adds up to you said you were vacillating. between two and three can you remind us. what yeah so two was what I call. Strategic incompetence where where Trump. was deliberately left vulnerable and and. I think that for a whole host of reasons.

one that I'm conscious and I've been. alive but right after the shooting. um my my wife and I were together. working on home projects and we got we. hadn't been paying attention to our. phones and so started getting texts from. people my wife got a text from her. friend Trump's been. shot like we're just kind of like. stunned like immediately pre because we. don't know what the result is. couple minutes later find get you know. texts that he's okay and then right.

after that my phone starts going crazy. I'm getting text and everything and one. of the most interesting texts I got. which I uh tweeted about was that the. Secret Service Special Operations. Division which is kind of like the elite. division within the Secret Service if. you can say that uh they had been asking. for more protection for years for Trump. repeatedly over and over again and it. was denied repeatedly denied so much.

that they just stopped asking for it cuz. it was kind of viewed as if you ask for. something you you're not going to get. it's like go within the agency denied by. whom another great question we don't. have an answer. to H so it secret service is now Under. the Umbrella of DHS yeah it was always. under treasury yeah it was and then they. moved it I don't know 5 10 years ago y. so under my orcus like a real real. competent public servant there Patriot. yeah so You' got him it did the. rejections come from DHS I don't know.

you've got cheel up there who's an idiot. did come from her I don't know where did. she go when she retired by the way is. she just I don't think we know actually. know I'm going to assume she's doing. security for like a Fortune 500 yeah. exactly or University of California. school you know right but no we don't. know where she is now. yeah um so but we it's not clear why. they denied or who denied nope don't. know why who how often and that weekend. so I put that out it get some traction.

Secret Service uh spokesman Anthony. googel me I don't know if I'm. pronouncing that right it's something. like that spent the whole weekend. calling reporters and telling him I was. making it up that never. happened but out a statement it's not. true he's never denied. anything Bobby Kennedy was denied Secret. Service protection you know they didn't. want to run against him they'd rather. he' be dead um clearly yeah of course of. course and um but that's such Sinister. be I mean that's a kind of attempted. murder really so I I don't don't.

understand how I mean Disobedience to. the regime is punished immediately tax. evasion is punished immediately but like. attempted murder is not well you're. asking who's Thomas Crooks we know more. about Joe the plumber you remember Joe. the plumber very well he died. unfortunately did I knew him yeah um he. asked a question about taxes to Obama. like in a rope line yeah they gave that. dude like the media digital colonoscopy. likees we know more a guy who asked a.

question about taxes we do about a guy. who shot Trump in the head of course the. media really are a player in all this. they're not just like dupes they're not. just you know the pr office for for the. regime they are like player they are. players they're active. participants in um you know. totalitarianism I would say do you know. how uh krook's father found out his son. was the shooter no CNN called. him really yeah well we're talking about.

kind of like weird creepy Media stuff. yeah so there's no ID on Thomas Crooks. they get to the body he's dead they. don't know who he is the only thing they. have is a serial number on his rifle so. they call up ATF and they do what's. called an urgent Trace to figure out. where was this gun bought and I think it. takes them debach the ATF director says. it took him 30 minutes I think it took. like 2 hours but they know by around. like 8:30 definitely by Nish that the. dad bought the gun and where he bought.

it from and it was from a retailer that. had since been. closed they put together a report that. like a pretty narrow distribution of. people I think it went to Pennsylvania. State Police so local police could go. stake the place out went to FBI ATF had. it but it's a very very small. distribution and we know because we got. the testimony from the guy who sent it. out ATF and a couple cops are sent to go. do a St out on Crook's father's house so.

they get there we'll call it like 10 or. 10:30 at that point they're already. seeing cars slowly drive by in ways that. obviously they don't live on that. street at I think 1056 they get a a word. from a dispatcher that Crook's father. has called 911 to report his son. missing at that point there no no longer. doing a stake out they have to go. confront him cuz obviously he knows.

something they go up to his door he. meets them out there and he says is it. true was it my son and they ask him why. would you say that he said CNN called me. and told me he got two calls from CNN. and a call from an NBC. producer how how that does not make. sense at all how could that happen. somebody leaked it but how would how. would someone know who he was they had. it from the the ATF report that had the. trace of the serial number so somebody. or yeah the ATF report somebody had that.

and decided you know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna call CNN in. NBC they don't know who did it but it's. interesting that they would know it was. the son because it was the father on the. ATF record he's the one who purchased. the right so but somehow CNN and NBC. knew that it was not the father but the. son well. cuz at that point did we know the age of. the person I don't think we knew. anything yeah so yeah the CNN called me. and told me and when I found that out by. the way I'm still angry about the whole. Roger Stone R I am just thinking that.

exact thing that's so funny happened to. be there that morning right before the. cops got they are liars they are liars. they absolutely had it leaked to them oh. I know and so I saw that and it just. instantly reminded me of the Roger Stone. thing and then made me angry again I was. just thinking that to be active. participants in the repression of a. population by its government is like. pretty it's like cppo Behavior it's like. really really dark and evil. um and that's that's who they are that's. I spent 10 years so I know yep millions.

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observers at all they're players they're. players they're and they're big players. that's why they hate the internet so. much but you know that leak it. materially changed how the police. responded they you know they found bombs. they're they're trying to get a. perimeter they're trying to keep an eye. on things they're waiting to get the. signal to actually go confront the. family and because this this guy got I'm. convinced that he called police after. being called by CNN yeah it's not in the.

report but like you'll never convince me. otherwise materially changed how the. cops had to approach the home of the. shooter that to me is just. unconscionable yeah that's not. surprising and then let let's imagine. your CNN you think you got this great. scoop what are you getting out of. informing a father of that because they. didn't report it right well they do a. lot that they don't report yeah a lot. including in the Roger Stone raid I mean. they were participants in political.

repression cheerleaders for it but not. cheerleaders they were like part of the. process yep they were used by the Biden. Administration. to that was actually the Trump I think. that was the Trump FBI still although. it's it's all the same right it's just. crazy that that could have that that. could have happened the lack of control. over the federal agencies by the. executive by the White House is like I. hope we never see that again because. that's really dark um but anyway yeah no. CNN very very bad.

uh is there I know I've asked the same. question 15 times but I just I can't. believe there's no real answer we don't. know anything about who Crooks talked. to before this nothing nope don't know. who he was texting don't know what was. going on on these encrypted apps um we. know he went to the range that day but. why not why doesn't the Congress issue. subpoenas to find. out cu they're completely weak and. neutered I mean that My Views Congress.

is by far the most powerful Branch it. controls the purse it's designed to be. exactly and yet in in practice today in. 2025 it's far in away the weakest except. when they do the one thing that they do. do which is to preserve the total. control over the United States by the. National Security State and so you're. seeing this right now where you know. committee chairman um in the Congress. are saying to the incoming. Administration no no no it has to be all. deep Staters like you can't have Tulsa.

Gabbert or anyone like Telsa Gabbert. it's all got to be you know John. Ratcliffe or someone you know we know. and who's obviously under our control. and they are insistent on that. exercising that power which I find. really interesting and how long you I I. was so naive like I believed that there. are weapons of Master destruction in. Iraq cuz they told us there were like. why would they. lie so I it didn't dawn on me that they. were all just corrupt Liars until really. the Russia gate hoax but it it didn't.

start in 2001 like I I feel like it's. been that way for like 70. years well it's certainly been that way. I mean like we know for a fact it's been. that way since right around late. November of 1963 like we just know that. so but I I agree I mean I just think it. goes back to you know the second world. war like yeah cuz they didn't their. their first crime was. their first crime was not Killing. Kennedy like that wasn't like dipping. their toes in the water no no no it.

wasn't they had some practice rounds um. it's just interesting that this seems. like one of the reasons I wanted to talk. to you and I do think you're probably. the most informed person in all media. though I don't know if You' admit to. being a media but do you think of. yourself as a media well I I don't like. to use the J word I know filthy I know. it's funny you and shellenberger to my. two of my favorite right at the top of. my favorite journalist list and neither.

one of you like started out to do. intending to do this or have like you. know went to journalism school you're. both doing completely different things. it's interesting that's actually how it. should be I I to that's how that's. actually how it used to be it used to be. a blue collar job and you work a beat. and now you have to go to Medill or. Colombia and it's just embarrassing no. it's interesting the journalists I. respect more all people who could be. doing something else making a lot more. money who didn't set out to do this just. sort of out of curiosity and patriotism. and you know kind of like moral.

responsibility are doing it so and. you're in that category so thank you but. anyway the the reason I want to talk to. you was it felt like if you can do. something as obvious is set up a. shooting of Donald Trump in the summer. of an election year and get away with it. like then you're still in control of. everything to the the craziest thing and. and people in in Trump Circle have told. me there's there's no chance it could. have happened this way they swear. there's no way it happened this.

way do you remember um JD's Rogan. interview he's kind of talking about. when he was his process of interviewing. to be VP and all that and Trump was. considering bringing him up at that. Butler rally and announcing him I. know yeah I know that that was not just. considering but that was that was like a. much disgusted oh yeah so so kind at. that point JD's been told like you're it. and now we know with Trump like it's.

never actually done until it's done so. it wasn't technically done it was done. Monday afternoon that that was Saturday. yes um but JD's been told they're. they're mulling the idea of him going to. Butler and then Trump's like nah we. don't really want to do that we haven't. done the prep and all that so we'll just. put a you know put a pin in that um that. was the last. rally before he had announced a BP. so that's if you are a crooked evil deep. Stater and you want to get rid of the.

virus that is Donald Trump and make sure. that he doesn't get to pick the person. who would be running in his stad if. something happen make sure he doesn't. get to reproduce that's that's that's. when you would do it and so I've asked I. said did anyone leak that he said no. impossible no one leaked it I said okay. 100% believe like kind of just knowing. who's around that 100% believe that. you're telling me it's possible that. nobody heard the conversation through. other.

means leaks the fact that JD was going. to speak at that Rally or or leaked that. like he had basically been. picked oh no that was known well I knew. that okay I didn't know that yeah I did. we're in different circles not really. I'm like living in some weird Ro place. but um in Maine but no I knew that. absolutely and a lot of people knew that. I mean all the people I know who knew. that are good people who love Trump but. I mean I'm not suggesting. not suggesting anything but I'm just in. point of fact a lot of people knew yeah. so if other people knew it that that is.

more people who know you know the more. people would know yeah so I just that. thing I don't know if I'll ever be able. to get that out of my head the timing. based on what was going on that weekend. but there was at least one subsequent. attempt assassination attempt on Donald. Trump's. life um were there. others so you're talking about the West. Palm one. after mid July were there do you think. other attempts I don't. know were there you know I don't know.

but I you know I think I think there. might have been we didn't hear about him. I think that's entirely I would totally. I would I would buy that yeah so um who. was the West the West pal guy was like. that one is so much wackier than the. butler oneou all these members of. Congress yeah well he I think there was. a photo of him with um that stupid Chef. that stupid Kami Chef what's his name I. don't have a. TV Jose Andre something they got I think.

that guy got a presidential medal of. freedom from uh Biden there's a picture. of him with him he's like Ping around. not really yeah I think unless I'm like. totally getting my wires crossed I'm. pretty sure that guy got a metal of. freedom and there's a picture of him. with Ralph this like homeless Hawaiian. mercenary bringing troops to Ukraine. who's camped out on Trump's golf of. course after Trump's already been shot. in the head and a secret service guy. happens to see him I think the report I.

read was he was 5 feet away fires like. 10 rounds at him misses and it was local. cops who got the guy 45 minutes. later how did that. happen that's just it's all so. incredible yeah so do you the members I. just want to put it on the record the. members of Congress you said that the. two committee inquiries were pretty good. I given the constraints that they have. so Congress doesn't have a lot of staff.

for doing the stuff right they had no. time they don't have the investigative. tools that the FBI has you had the. Senate Homeland Security committee that. did its own report and then you had the. butler task force bipartisan in the. house that did its report I thought they. did a great job both of them given the. limitations and constraints they have it. was I don't know how they could have. been more thorough given the FBI trying. to block them from from doing. anything is this the end of the inquiry. it better not.

be I mean Trump's coming in in a couple. days he's going to be president it's. hopefully going to get his people in. office better not be the end of the. inquiry I kind of feel like there's so. much going on in the world right now um. that you know maybe people just kind of. forget to. ask yeah I. mean I know enough about human nature to. where I can't dismiss. that but yeah there's always some new.

story we have to go like react to and. pretend we're like very upset about and. it's like every day remember when news. Cycles were like three days long I. remember very well like remember when. Natalie Holloway disappeared in Aruba. yeah um and I worked in cable news then. and we spent you know approximately 3. years talking about it every day you. know no disrespect to Natalie Holloway. or the inherent significance of a story. about a dead American it's important but. yeah know that was and you sort of. wonder what else what was what else was.

going on while we were talking about. Natalie Holloway yeah yeah I've gone. back and thought of all the time I. wasted with Gary Condit oh man you know. how much time did we spend looking into. what happened in 9911 right around zero. just repeating all the dumb talking. points that hatte us for freedoms and. all that stuff and not asking obvious. questions why some people were. celebrating it well who were those. people and like what is this I think one. of the hijackers was living with an FBI. informant for like a year I think that's. correct yeah mistakes were made it's all. still classified so you can't know yeah.

um interesting. so the the obvious question um is why. aren't other elected officials so. anxious to get to the bottom of this. because it has implications for them. when this happened my wife said you know. we are we ever going to find out what. this was and I said with false. confidence absolutely one thing members. of Congress care about is not being. assassinated so like they have every. vest interest in finding out what this. was and in making the right reforms so. they can stay safe.

themselves I turned out to be completely. wrong like what is that yeah it's I I. don't know what's happened to Congress I. think it's probably a combination. of obviously the more responsibility you. take if you're going to take 100% of the. powers you've been given by Founders in. the Constitution and exercise that every. day you're going to have 100% of the. accountability there's nothing a member. of Congress politici hates more than. accountability yes so they are generally. happy.

to um delegate all of their authority to. the executive where they can just blame. stuff on bureaucrats oh was it was a bad. process it's a bad bureaucrat people in. Washington love BR blaming process have. you noticed that I it's always the. process there's never a person at fault. for anything it's always a process that. can be. strengthened it the you worked in the. Senate you worked for Tom Coburn of. Oklahoma C rest of Soul um so you you. can answer this question but as I just. look on to the Congress where I've never.

worked but it seems like the single most. corrupt or certainly the most. infuriating part of the Congress is the. Republicans in the CATE oh my gosh we. fought with them more than Democrats. okay constantly agree with that oh you. have no idea okay so I'm thinking like. who do I dislike most Mitch McConnell. yes it's not Alexandria OC or whatever. she's calling herself you know like a. buffoon but um and at least has you know. 10% sincerity in my read but I look at.

some of the Republicans You Know Rich. and some of these guys I'm like oh my. gosh this is really Sinister yeah and. and man cobn was that guy was a unicorn. like there will only ever be one of him. he didn't care what anyone thought about. him he hated everyone in Washington. hated Washington itself all he wanted to. do was like go up there and cut spending. and restore some sanity and then go. deliver babies on the weekend and then. the Senate was like actually we're going. to ban you from doing that because it's.

it's a conflict of interest delivering. babies delivering babies he's like okay. I'll do it I'll do it for free I'll pay. medmal out of my own pocket and I said. no no you can't do that we're going to. ban you the the Senate Ethics Committee. went after him four years for delivering. babies for delivering babies it's too. it's too life. affirming exactly two babies if he was. an abortionist that that would have been. fine yeah yeah but you know be actually. touching and being with constituents.

that was too much but I remember doing. stuff with him where we would have. constantly people telling us we don't do. things like that around here really yeah. all the time and we'd be like what what. do you mean you don't do you don't do. things like no that's that's not how we. do things around here and because we. were all so young in green and. idealistic it was actually the genius in. how he put together staff it wasn't like. an all-star cast of like elite players. he just took a bunch of chuckleheads who.

like believed in his mission and was. like yeah go go do damage out there and. so we did it and so we were too stupid. to know what we weren't supposed to be. doing why isn't every I mean there seems. to be. something peculiarly specifically wrong. with the the dynamic among Republicans. in the Senate I don't know what that. like they seem more committed to. betraying their voters than any other. group I've ever seen in politics yeah. super weird um they're for most of them. it's like their Senate tenure is five.

years of doing what they want and then a. year of promising to do what Their. voters want yes it it's like a sickness. I I genuinely don't understand it I. don't know if something happens when you. become a Republican senator that happens. to like 90% of them where they get there. and they just like being important and. that becomes the thing they care about. and they're so D you talked about the. media being a player the media like. exist in large part to Gaslight. Republicans and doing what they want to. control them and so these guys they for.

whatever reason they care what CNN. thinks about him and they care what the. New York Times thinks about him and they. don't understand that if you actually. want to be powerful as a republican not. caring what anyone thinks about you. makes you a freaking superhero I agree. with that makes you Untouchable they. don't like the machine doesn't know how. to handle someone who doesn't care about. their next job or the next puff piece. you're basically an alien to them they. don't know how to intimidate you or how. to threaten you like oh you'll cast me.

out of this awful City full of terrible. people oh no what'll I. do yeah I mean do you see it changing at. all a little bit it it it changes with. the class so I've got a friend who's. who's like one of the few really good. True Believers on the right um worked in. the senate for a long time total genius. parliamentary genius and he says you can. kind of judge Senators unlike house. members you can judge Senators by the. class that they were elected into and.

that kind of tells you about the. character of that whole group of people. so you got the guys who came in in 2002. war on terror gotta fight them over. there so we don't have to fight them. over here they're the worst neocons the. worst and and that kind of bleeds into'. 04 and then you get the 06 thing where I. don't think we even elected a new. Republican senator because it was such a. political bloodbath because the Iraq war. is it disaster then 08 you've got the. Obama years and then the first kind of. big year was 2010 that was all tea party.

yeah those guys still have the Tea Party. mentality which is fine I think the tea. party was great yeah but you have to be. able to like evolve with the electorate. they're still stuck in like tea party. town and then 2014 was like the repeal. Obamacare that was the thing and it. really wasn't until 2016 where you. actually started seeing a change that. was reflective of where the people are. happened again in 2018 and then most of. the guys coming in now are so much.

better than the people they serve with. who got elected 20 years ago that's not. even close yes and yet they're still. senators and they still care about what. people think about them like someone. someone like you or me will never ever. be in that body well no and I would you. know I'd rather die um but what's. interesting is it's not on questions. like you know we spent all this time on. the trany question which I think is. inherently important and I do think if. you eliminate sex differences.

civilization collapses because they're. built on sex differences that's my view. so I'm completely aligned I I couldn't. be more. pro-life um and I there are tons of. Republicans in both houses who agree. with all that or say they do or do a. good job of pretending it's fine it's. the National Security Intel stuff the. police power stuff surveillance power. stuff man they are they that's what they. take Serious that's what they actually. care about have you noticed this yeah. yeah and it it's actually um you see.

guys who really want to get on the Intel. committee yes like unless you're going. to do real oversight which I think one. person Devon Nunes has ever done on that. committee the only reason to be on that. is to like be cool you get to be with. the the spies and you get read in on it. and they make you feel special and you. get to go on codell and then maybe one. day they'll write a book about you like. Charlie Wilson's War about how. courageous you were and shipping a bunch. of weapons all around the world and. starting Wars that we're still dealing.

with the ramifications of like it's the. Jason Bourne like John Laree kind of. stuff that they actually think they're a. part. of I I really think they're evil I mean. that I mean way more evil than like you. know I'm I think Head Start was a. disaster Social Security is bankrupt in. the country Medicare you know there's. all these problems with social workers. but you don't look at that and say the. people who started that or evil they're. just like dumb or they didn't foresee. the consequences of the of what they.

were doing but like the people who you. know cheered the murder of Gaddafi or. never admitted they lied about weapons. mass destruction the people pushing you. know claiming that we should lower the. conscription age in Ukraine to 18. because we haven't killed enough. ukrainians after a million have died or. been wounded I just think that's evil it. it is evil it's people who it's almost. like they get off on on the raw raah. team sport aspect of people getting. blown to bits yes and having their lives.

you know if not ended ruined forever and. and I. swear I don't see how any of these. people they must not have ever talked to. anyone who spent any time actually doing. dirty work in Iraq or Afghanistan. because you can't spend any time. destroys those guys it it it it. destroyed a whole generation of War. Fighters and young men I mean and it's. in way because they were killed your de. abled we're only looking at a small part. of this I've known some of them well. it's killing people is bad for you and.

you know sometimes you have to kill. people I mean you do if there's if I. have a home Invader and my wife and kids. are kill a guy I would sleep soundly. after killing him I mean you have to but. ultimately killing people is bad and is. bad for the person who kills and we. don't even acknowledge that and I just. know a lot of them so I've seen it and. it's would you want that on you no well. I it's why it's why I never joined like. I just I couldn't not because you're. afraid of being killed it's because. you're afraid of killing and you should. be like that's a very heavy thing to ask.

someone to do and then not to. acknowledge it just be like oh yeah good. job when you see the scars they bring. back to the mental emotional spiritual. yes um and you know some of them deal. with it way better than others but. there's the reason the suicide rate's so. high and the divorce rate and the. addiction rate and and the weirdness. rate and the the Deep kind of heavy. trouble that you feel on a lot of them I. don't my gosh I don't play blame them a. lot of them are wonderful admirable. people and they were asked to do. something and they did it and they did.

it under duress and at Great personal. risk and like I admire them I'm not. criticizing them just saying not to. acknowledge what we've asked them to do. not to acknowledge the burden of having. killed somebody it's like how shallow. and cruel are we well in in the the news. media the corporate media they they. treat it like it's a fun sport red team. what let's look what Red Team Versus. Blue team did to day let's look at this. footage of like this Russian getting. killed by a. drone and then they cheer and oh isn't.

this great isn't this pornography yeah. it is these are human beings yeah and it. didn't want to be there didn't it's like. some kid gets his face blown off and. you're cheering it it's gross it's. disgusting and it's weird I I look back. on kind of how I thought about things in. the runup to the Iraq War and I'm just. kind of ashamed about it too cuz I was. like the jingoistic raah raw kind of. thing and you find out it was all based. on a lie you see that it's just that. permanently changed how I looked at that. entire bureaucracy agree and I and in.

2001 and two when I was tepidly. Cheerleading I will say that's my only. defense was kind of tepid I sort of knew. it was wrong but I convinced myself it. wasn't but I when I was you know making. the case for the Iraq War and repeating. the lies of the Bush. Administration I never really seen. violence you know personally seen it and. that was you know a huge change for me. seeing that I was like I'm not I'm not. into this at all I don't know what why. is this good I don't think it's good I. don't doesn't feel good you know what I. mean yeah it's just I don't want I don't.

want that anym of that I don't want to. see that I don't want to be around it at. all I don't it's not a turn on at all. it's like horrible and um so that was. personally for me a huge change but um I. just think that it's important to. remember especially as Christians like. we're against violence I don't know we. are sorry we're against violence we. should not ever cheer someone's death. and right yeah I mean we're the only. things made in God's image that's how I. in all of creation so so we're. infinitely valuable I feel that way so.

we we shouldn't yeah be cheer and and. it's like you said somebody breaks into. your home they're trying to do harm to. your family yeah you're going to do what. you you got to do but just hey let's I. don't want to do it yeah no nobody. should want to do it no like you I I. remember I was taken a a gun training. from an uncle of mine uh who's like a. legendary Firearms instructor um he he. was worked with Jeff Cooper out in gun. side yeah he's he's awesome and I. remember him my sister and my aunt and.

uncle and I went with this other uncle. and his wife to do this training and he. made us sit in a classroom for like a. whole day and he drilled into us what's. the number one rule of. gunfights be somewhere. else and then what's the second rule of. gunfights have a. gun but he's like yeah if you're if. you're paying attention like if you're. aware and you know what's going on. around you you you should be you should. have the ability and the awareness to. never be in a position to ever have to.

do it I agree bar some sort of awful. twist of. fate I I. wonder you know the calls for gun. control which are you know obviously. cyclical like every time there's some. tragedy some mass shooting some of which. do seem like they're inspired with the. FBI but I can't prove it but anyway just. there's always like 3 or 4 days of the. media getting hysterical about gun. control taking your guns away those seem. more half-hearted than they used to be.

maybe I'm being paranoid and I'm. wondering if maybe technology the. convergence of AI and drone technology. isn't advancing to the point where the. people in charge know it doesn't matter. whether you have a gun anymore yeah I. hadn't thought about that but I had. noticed like the fever pitch of Hysteria. after a shooting over the last almost. like year 6 months to a year they kind. of feel like they're just going through. the emotions with it in the media I kind. of agree it's just a fundraising deal. for like the dumb you know David hog or.

whatever these buffoons media Creations. um you know who become famous on on you. know on a pile of dead bodies it's like. so grotesque but uh I this doesn't seem. real to me and I just wonder are we at a. point where like your AR is not actually. a guarantee of Freedom at all because. like technology is going to give the. state so much power that like it doesn't. matter the Drone stuff I find terrifying. terrifying especially the mass drones CU.

you can't stop them yeah I talked to one. uh a couple months ago I was talking to. a seal a former seal about it um who. thinks about this stuff a lot and I said. so like how do you stop the drones he. said get a. shotgun and I said really yeah I just. shoot it okay what if there's like a. thousand of them like I don't. shotgun I have doesn't hold a thousand. rounds no I I shoot with a side by side. yeah two shells yeah like they're you.

got you have to have a technological. solution to it I don't I don't know how. I is like Joe Blow or you just out. mining our business you're not defeating. like a weaponized drone storm at all and. I feel like Democrats especially the. ones who are all about gun control know. this because they'll say things like oh. you think your AR is going to help you. we have nukes and and cruise missiles. your AR is not going to stop that I. think there may be something to that. it's just my instinct I don't know I. mean but I'm but it is weird it is weird.

and I'm and I think if you want to. understand what's actually going on like. watch the rhetoric of course don't never. take it at face value it's a Lie by. definition the slogans are a lie but. they do change and they change for a. reason and and so I'm just concerned. about that and I um as someone who's. always like you know had guns and ammo. at home yeah so there's an old uh quote. from I think it was JP Morgan that I've. used as kind of like my. political motivation finding North Star.

and it's that every man has two reasons. for doing things a good reason and the. real reason yeah so like on gun control. the good reason that they always give. and and I think that probably a large. percentage of people who espouse it they. they do intend well well these hurt. people and I don't want to hurt people. and they they don't think Beyond like. the third order consequences but like. it's it's a genuine heartfelt this thing. does awful things to people and I don't.

want that so we should get rid of it I I. understand where that's coming from I. don't agree with it but then what's the. re that's the good reason so what's the. real reason I think a lot of people. putting that stuff out just don't want. us to be. free well they you know they they don't. believe in human autonomy yeah obviously. right so they they don't see other. humans as human they see them as slaves. you know I think it's pretty obvious. that they see them as objects you know. who. are have no inherent rights no inherent.

dignity whose lives aren't really worth. anything it's why they love abortion and. they you know if you really saw people. as creations of God who exist. independently from you and your desires. then like there's a degree to which you. can control people but then beyond that. you can't you can't even your own. children you can't really can you no. right you can't no they come fully. formed and you can like work 5% of the. margin that's exactly right that's. exactly right and I think good parenting. is in part recognizing that you know cuz. you don't own them actually you are more.

responsible for them they are your. children they're you know from your body. but they're not you know they're human. beings and I just think those are like. foundational views that a lot of people. in power just don't have no we're viewed. as cogs yes especi especially the new. kind of like managerial leftism yes they. look at it and they say okay we've got. this fixed population of people and I. can move this lever and I can move this. lever and I'll twist this thing and then. I can get those people to do what I want. we're really just. inputs things that can be tweaked.

according to them we're not people who. have souls exactly not Eternal beings. who have infinite value yes we're just. things to be manipulated so they can get. what they want it's it's gross so la. last question it does feel like this I. think a lot of people felt this whether. they said it out loud or not but this. election was you know the last chance to. to turn away from what was a certain. future of insl. um that's not an. overstatement who wins like in 5 years.

what what's your best guess for where we. are I'm not an optimist and it has. nothing to do with politics yes I agree. with you I I think this election was. kind of a last chance yeah but it wasn't. a guarantee yes and and My worry is that. our politicians are a function of the. people um John Adams I it was either. John Adams or Franklin said our our. system of government is wholly unsuited. to an immoral. people we were a nation found on.

Christian principles by Christian men. who put Christ and God as the foremost. things in their lives and everything. else was built around it our government. was built around it the way we organized. the States was built around it and it. worked for a really long time until that. Foundation started to crumble and I. don't know when that started was it the. Industrial Revolution was it Vietnam in. the drug area I I don't know but our. moral fabric as a people is totally.

unrecognizable to someone who helped. start the country and so my view is. absent a true Collective Christian. Revival where we collectively repent for. what we've done as a nation because God. cares about Nations he cares about the. fate of Nations he cares what nations do. He blesses them and curses them and he. judges them and he lets them Prosper our. nation had a covenant with God very it.

was obvious why we were formed because. we want to have a place where people. nation under God I mean they said it it. wasn't they weren't hiding it do you. think that is like the moral nucleus of. our society today CU I don't and so I. don't see absent a true foundational. change in us as a people collectively I. don't see how we ever turn the ship. around and so so I I pray obviously I. pray for the president I pray for Mayors. and our leaders even when I don't like. them because that's what we're commanded.

to do and because uh God has put them in. place either for our judgment or our. blessing um Our Fate is not going to be. sealed by the politicians we pick it's. just not no and so that that's my worry. going forward do you feel like I mean I. I I do see around me just in my tiny. little weird world but people who I. don't think have ever thought about God. talking about God I read that Bible. sales are the highest they've been in a.

long time I I feel something changing. something has changed it it feels like. on Election. night scales came off people's eyes it. was almost it it was a weird thing. suddenly people are just saying things. that they they weren't supposed to say. you got NFL players you had like Jon. Jones UFC doing the Trump dance. after finishing a dude s like words that. people use and sentiments they espouse.

were completely verboten and that that. seems to have changed I completely agree. there appears to be a spiritual aspect. in hunger in people now that that I find. really really heartening but that it's. like seeing the seedling Sprout like I I. want to see like the giant hardwood of. course and but of course it has to start. with the seedling of course it does but. do do you see it in your world. absolutely without a. doubt huh so I mean that's something.

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