Neil Oliver: How Banks Took Over Empires, and the Truth About WWII, Brexit, & COVID

I find it really strange that people. are unable to make that. distinction between regimes. and populations. Well, why is that? Well, if you're angry with with the. Putin regime. Okay, but why would that. automatically make you say. that you hate Russians, but also. compare 140 million of them. You can dislike Macron, and like. French people. Why can't people make the. Why do you have to be at war with an. entire population just. because you don't like the Russians? Same. But moreover, I can like. or dislike anyone I want.

because I'm an adult man and I'm not. a slave so I can have any opinion I. want. We discriminate by nature. It's in our nature to discriminate. So it's my birthright. Like I you can't. tell me who I have to like and. dislike, and I. just I'm not going to submit to. that.

Last night we were talking at. dinner and you expressed some views. And I thought to myself, I'm eating. with a conspiracy theorist. Well, I think if you're not a conspiracy. theorist by night. You're not paying attention. You are often described that way. Does it? Does it rattle. you? Well, I it was probably a time when. it would have done. But. I, I've gone through this, process in the last four years.

Of realizing that I spent the first. 50 some years of my life, believing and trusting. a certain worldview. Yes. With Covid. And everything thereafter, all. of that fell apart. It's like picking a thread on a on a. tapestry the whole thing just. fell away into. And once, once you. lose all of the things that you had. taken for granted and trusted, then I suppose, almost by.

definition, you're in territory that. the others who are on the same. path as you would, would call. conspiracy theorist. But it's really just. You think, well, if if I think now. that they were lying to me about. that and that and that, where are they telling me the truth. about anything at all? Yes. And you're you're aware that. Some of it must be. True, but it's a. it's early yet. I've only been in. this revelatory process. You know, the scales have only. fallen from my eyes, my.

naive trust that I placed in, in the. establishment and in the. institutions that I. placed in them without really. thinking about it terribly much. Well, you were part of the establishment. You worked for BBC? Well, I worked for BBC. In as much as I was doing contract. work for BBC, so. But I was never directly employed by. the British Broadcasting. Corporation. I was, you know, I'd be. brought in to do a project, I would. be a production company, would pitch. a project, I would be the presenter. that was associated with that. project, and I would be paid by the. day for the duration of the project, and then I wouldn't be working for.

the BBC. I'm just saying that people watched. you on BBC. Yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure they did. I wrote a column for the Sunday. Times in Scotland. I was the I had been for a while. the president of the National Trust. for Scotland. I was, I was at one. stage I was a fellow of the, of. the Royal Society of Edinburgh. So I was I was certainly. associated with and part of, the. nfrastructure. of the establishment. That's absolutely the case. But I did all of it. I quite I hold my hands up and say I. did it with in a naive.

way, without really. Interrogating the integrity. of those institutions. It was just, I'm not judging you. I've been there. I just, I just trusted. I just trusted that. Well, I've never been I've always. been a political atheist. Yes. Struggling to vote in general. elections, but usually trying. to vote for someone to to. make plain that I was taking part in. the democratic process. But I. I never had I've never been. affiliated to any political. party, any ideology.

But I, I think I thought. that the, the powers. That be. Had mine and my family's interests. at heart, whether they were red or. blue. Of course. Or whatever, I thought. Basically. They're going to keep the lights on. They're going to make sure food and. supermarkets don't maintain the. roads. There'll be schools open. They'll be a hospital if my family. needs it regardless. But now I just don't feel. like, well, I now know that the.

establishment doesn't have mine or. my family's interests at heart, and. that's hard. It's like a grieving. process, I think. Yes. The analogy I would make with. that, you know, the five stages of. grief that were supposed to go. through the shock, the the denial, the, you know, the bargaining, you. know. The anger, the various stages. That you're supposed to go through. I'm still, I'm probably. four years in. just coming to that point where I'm. making peace with the fact that I. it's it's my responsibility.

that I didn't see. the reality. Yes. That's me. So for a while I was angry with. them. And I still am angry with them. But the baddies are just baddies, you know, baddies do what baddies. do. My problem is that. I feel that it's. my fault. I should have seen that. I should have. I'm with you. I should. Have said. How could I have been so stupid? So I just think it's really. interesting that, you know, there's. an overwhelming amount of evidence. to support what you just said, that. the people in charge do not have.

your or your family's interests at. heart at all. In fact, they're. working against those interests day. and night for whatever reason. I don't think any honest person. can deny that at this point. For years in. Why? Well, compound question. What percentage of your friends. in 2020 arrived at the same. conclusions you have arrived. at? And what's the difference. between you and those who didn't. admit what was happening?

I would see I've lost. touch with. Everyone from. Really? Everyone? Well, you know, I'm still obviously. I'm still my family. And that's the family into which. I was born. And also my my married family, my, my my in-laws. We've all remained. as close as we ever. were. Although, you know, there were. differences of opinion about. whatever Covid was about. the about the, the products, the. jobs and so on.

So there were differences of opinion, but it didn't cause. Any. Ill feeling or any, any. schisms there that so those people. are still fully. we're still it's all very loving and. close. Yes. But work colleagues, friends, you know, people that I had known in. some instances from university days, people that I'd work beside. broadly, broadly, I've. lost touch with all of them. There's a handful of people of. literally a, you know, count on the. fingers of one hand, the people. that, as it turns out, ended.

up with all of the same suspicions. and have ended up every bit as. conspiracist as me. But as I'm sure you would testify. Oh, well, I, I don't know. I'm not going to I'm not going to, you know, prejudge your experience. But, those people. that that, that I parted. company with, that. void has been filled, that vacuum drew into a. whole other. Cast of people, in many cases. Very unlikely and unexpected. It was very it was true.

And I, my wife and I, we would laugh. about, you know, hear you on the. phone. Two of you just come off the. phone from now, I would say. And it would, it would seem so. bizarre and so. Unlikely. People that a few years ago would. never have imagined I would ever. have a conversation with. Not that any particular reason, but. I just didn't expect to be pulled. into their orbit or them into mine. So. I've been through this process of. of shedding one carapace, feeling very exposed, I suppose, like something that has cast out. like a crab without its shell.

until the shell hardens again, you know, some very raw nerves. jangling. But now that it's forming. again, and I would say I was. to torture that analogy a little. bit, I feel a little bit bigger, you. know, I feel as if I have grown. because I wouldn't. go back if I could. press a button and make the Covid. debacle not have happened, I wouldn't, because the. what I've learned and. what I feel I know, understand or. Or at least.

That which I think I know have. enough. Wit to ask. The relevant questions to better. understand. I wouldn't exchange. where I was for where I am. No. So back to a shallow, dishonest. life. I, you know, and I did. I lost all those. Affiliations that I had, you know, because of the kind of, television persona that I had when I. was making soft. history and archeology. documentaries. You get invited to be patron of this. representative of that, you know,

just people want affiliation. with you. So, you know, I was I was. connected combat stress, which was a. veterans charity, and. I was connected to, you know, the the Association of. Lighthouse Keepers. And is that a big. One in Scotland? You know, it's a very fringe little. group that people that look up the. like group. You know, the lighthouse keepers. And, and as I say, you know, I had a, had a, I had an. agent and I had, I had a column in the Sunday Times.

I had been the president of the. National Trust. I was a fellow of. the Royal Society and all of that. I'm not. Anymore. I'm not any of those things anymore. They all distanced themselves from. me one by one, like dominoes, dominoes toppling. And it hearts at. the time. Or the first one does like the first. punch in the. Face. You know, you never get you know. every punch you get thereafter is. saw, but it doesn't have the shock. value of the of the first. one. And so once but parted company with. the one guy. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I can see that coming.

And it's just a it's just a process. that I'm glad to be on for me. For us, my family. I've been this is I think of this is. the great sorting. I mean, under this immense downward. pressure exerted on the West. over the last four years, people. sort of wound up on one side or the. other. And it's not a clean. political divide. It's not even a. political divide, as you've pointed. out. It's not left, right, you know, laboratory, whatever. But I've never figured out and I've. thought about it a lot. What is it.

in people that. Compel them to move to one side or. the other, particularly to the side. you're on. You said it's unlikely. people do. You never thought you'd. be talking to you. Like, what do. they all have in common? It's a question that, you know, Trudy and I and and others. in a small group. of of of like minded people, that is the $64,000. Okay. So you've thought about. This as they used to say, what is. the what's the common denominator? What's the unifying. Feature? I don't really know. I think it's I.

think in there has been a great. sorting. I think this what happened. in 2020, 2021. The choices that we were invited to. make, you know, pick a side, are you going to be with us or not? And a large number of people decided. to be with the. part to remain part of the main. The liars and the other people. pulled back from it. This was the great sorting of. our generation. Yes.

The first big sorting. that that there has been for. decades. And I think in some of. it I think, was simply down to. people's natural, you know, amygdala fight or flight. response to threat. I think some, you know, people you. don't know until whatever. the gunfire starts. Exactly right, whether you. Can't predict it and you. Think you're brave. Yeah. And you know, and, you know, people. like, you know, people at Jordan. Peterson, you know, have articulated. it very well that the, the culture of movies.

that we would all invite you to. watch growing up, you're invited to. think in World War Two, you'd. have been with the French. Resistance. Of course you would have. You would have. You would have hidden your neighbors. because the black van was outside. going to take them away. That's that's how people are invited. to think that they would be the. maverick. You would be the one that stands in. the face of the of the of the tide. And and then it happened. before people realized what had. happened. They had been. Sort it in that. way. And, and I think.

The, the really. Part of what's really difficult now. is that there's no. going. Back. And yet we're all still living. together. We're all old, all the. people are broadly still there. Those that jumped one way, those. that that jumped the other. And we have to find this. way to go on. Because we were we were. invited. To see what. some, what a. Lot of people were prepared to. Do I one of the most.

Difficult parts of it, it sounds. silly. No, because it's really a. detail. But. Quite early on, when the mask. mandate was still very much everyone. had to wear a face mask, and I was. I was having to go up and down to. London for work. I was flying home every Sunday. Morning. And it would be, I don't know, British Airways flight or whoever, and I wasn't wearing a face. mask and. under any circumstances,

and I would go through the airport, which was difficult enough. Wait, if I can just ask you, just. pause. Why weren't you wearing a. face mask? Would it be easier to do. what everyone else does and be. obedient? Yeah. Why are you so disobedience? Well, again, I was always. I was always a rule. keeper, a. Lower biter. I've always, you know, I'm not I've. never I've never been a protester. I've never been an activist. Anything. I'm very much a I'm. a, you know. I just was always I. wasn't really paying attention. as the truth of it. I just wasn't really watching what.

was going on. We were making archeology. documentaries. You. Well, exactly. I don't think to. me one. But to get back to the plane. so we'd be awkward enough. people watching in the airport. But then I would go up the steps of. the plane, the crew, the. the cabin crew would be masked and. they would say, you know, wearing a. face mask. And I would say, no, I'm. not wearing a face mask. Are you exempt? Some of them would. say, and, I would just say, yeah, I'm exempt. Because in my head I was. tough as a human being. I'm definitely exempt from this. nonsense. So I wasn't even lying in.

my own head. I thought, no, I am. exempt because there's no I agree. I'm not a slave. You turn right down into the body of. the plane and be 299. people with face masks on, glaring, glaring at me. And I would think. It's it's it's this. Close, you know, if if someone gave. the signal to, you know, let's pin. this guy down in the. Aisle. Let's meet him. Yeah. You could see. suddenly you could. see I'm actually at risk here. Not from the establishment, necessarily. Not from the. government. In this moment.

I'm just. Because I have made. Myself conspicuous. Yes, I have stood. Out from the norm, and anything could happen in the. next five minutes. And I'd have to do the long walk. down to my seat 27. or something, some middle seat. I have to get into it, and sometimes. people either side of me would ring. the service. They'll put the light on, ask to be. moved to get away from. me. And of course they couldn't. because it was a full flight and. then I would have to sit for the. hour and 15 minutes or whatever of.

the flight back up to Edinburgh. as pariah. And then go off the way and head. And then rinse and repeat. Do it next week. Do it next week. Do it next week, didn't it? And that's just I set like I see. That's a silly anecdote. It's not silly at all. It's totally real. And then. Suddenly, suddenly I saw people and. it isn't conscious. You could suddenly see how things. happened. Questioned you, I thought, I wonder how you got that. To happen in Germany in the 30s. I wonder how they got that to. Happen in the terror in France, in the, you know, at the. 1989. Yeah.

18th century. I wonder how they got that to happen. in Russia. Well, I do ask myself that anymore. Because you think, oh. You may have come to the obvious. conclusion that the real debate is. not between Republican and Democrat. or socialist and capitalist. Right left. The real battles between people who. are lying on purpose. and people who are trying to tell. you the truth. It's between good and evil, it's. between honesty and. falsehood. And we hope we are on the. former side. That's why we created this network,

the Tucker Carlson Network, and we. invite you to subscribe to it. Go to Tucker carlson.com/podcast, our entire archive. Is there a lot of behind the scenes. footage of what actually happens in. this barn when only an. iPhone is running? Tucker carlson.com/podcast? You will not regret it. So you said that in public. You said famously something. close to what you just said, which. is, oh, now I understand how. totalitarian movements, you know, sort of move downward into.

the population. And the population. by and large, supports some. genocidal agenda that normal. people wouldn't support. But they do support it. And you said that and you were. attacked as a bigot for saying that. Oh, yeah. But but you must have you. must. Have been on the. Same. You must surely you were getting. that. You know, you what was your. experience? Don't pay any attention at all. So I'm sure I've been called every. name. I don't care, you know, at. all. But, I had checked out. mentally, for sure, but. And what is it about? Why, you know, you've clearly been.

More, sort of, I suppose, bullheaded, stubborn about things. and being prepared to stand in the. face of things for longer than me. So what's, you know, what's in. when you would. Ask me, what did I think was the. common what was it? What was the common denominator? What was uniting all of the people. that were refusing to go along with. it? What's it in? What do you think? Well, I. Just grew up in a different way, so. I just knew that, you know, the majority opinion was. not always right. I always felt. that. And I. knew that I didn't care what.

people thought of me, except the. people I love, just because of the. way I grew up. And. So it was it was not hard for. me at all to take. a position that is different from. everyone else's. I only care about, you know, the people directly. around. So that's just my. temperament. But then the plight of, you know, a. concept like, you know, democracy, we talk a lot. We were brought up in the West to. talk about democracy. and liberty and freedom and. rights.

What do you what's your take. on the reality of. what democracy even means? No, because for me, up, I. have been forced through a process. of thinking about what. Democracy even is. And wondering what. it is that we had that we called. democracy, and certainly. wondering what it is that we have no. fear, nothing of that which we. know. Democracy, at least in my view. I mean, it's been redefined to mean. democracy is a system of government.

in which the people in charge, whether the elected officials, the agency heads, the people. who run well-funded NGOs. when their views are represented, even though they may constitute 2%. of the population's views, when. those views are represented, when. they're fully in charge, you can do. whatever they want. That's democracy. That's not my view of democracy. My view of democracy is much more. primitive, kind of the peasant view. of democracy, which is it's a. species of private property. It's ownership. I am a citizen of this country.

I was born here. So when my parents and I. therefore have a share in this, I'm. a shareholder in the company in the. country. Like I own part of this. mine, actually, now I own. 1/350,000,000. of it, but it's still ownership. It's still a share. And you can't, treat. me like a slave. or even your servant because. I. This is my place. And that's where I think democracy. is. It's almost like a temperamental. It's it's a description of a of the.

certain worldview that you have. about your government and your. relationship to that government. So, that's how I feel. about it. It doesn't mean that if. 51% of the population wants. something, it gets it every time. We have a representative democracy, a constitutional republic, as I'm. often reminded. But but basically, if you have a system where the. people in charge don't care at all. about what the population thinks, we. know for sure that's not democracy. I mean, what did you think it was? Well, as. as you just said, I. You know, in a, in a in a state.

of semi slumber, just. imagined that I was represented. in the, in the places. of. Power. By, you know, by the fact that. I was able to vote and I. know and I now realize that voting. once every 4 or 5 years is is. nothing at all. It's a that's a completely. meaningless. Transaction to me. No, it always was. I mean, I see no way I was. Oh, God. It's a general election. I better vote for somebody. I was always disconnected.

from it. Right. But no, I partly think that. that may have been some kind of semi. instinctive realization. that it. Was meaningless. anyway. But I worry now about. a quite a lot of people. You know, around me talk. about direct democracy. as, as, as a solution to. problems or and always. it's always the Swiss model that's. quoted referenda. about this, that and everything,

sort of everything about having a. referendum about it. I know that having gone through. the last four years, that worries. me, because if. there had been a referendum about. face masks. Or lockdown or. Or, God forbid, mandatory. jabs, we'd have got all of. them. The the the majority vote. would have enacted all. of those things mandated jobs, longer, tighter lockdowns,

your face masks and all of the rest. of it would have been enacted by. direct democracy. So now I think. That the problem you've got. there is. The majority, the. better hope that come to your. conclusion. Well, because I mean, because. otherwise otherwise you've just. If we, if we if we take the step. of thinking that direct democracy is. the way to get out of these problems, well, well, in short, I live in fear of. direct democracy. So why do you think they're saying.

that? I mean, what people leave out. I'm very familiar with Switzerland, of ancestors from Switzerland. Spent a lot, went to school in. Switzerland. A lot has been there. I was there twice this year. I'm not an expert on Switzerland, but I know well enough to say. conclusively their political system. works because they have a Swiss. population with. certain attitudes that have evolved. over a thousand years. And, and it works for them. And they vote, you know, twice a. year and all the stuff. And the cantons have a lot of. independent power, very. weak central government, etc., etc. but that works with Swiss people.

They're changing the population. of the West and particularly of. Europe. So fast that. you sort of wonder, like, what is. that? I mean, the idea that, you know, there is a thing called a Briton. or a Spaniard or a Frenchman or. Portuguese people or Belgians. or people from Liechtenstein or. whatever, that there are sort of. populations, indigenous populations. in these countries that have a. certain national character, language.

and shared history. All of that is being obliterated. through mass by mass immigration. It's it's on purpose. It's against the will of the. populations, existing populations of. those countries. And it's clearly tied to. political power. I mean, am I missing something? I mean, look, this is my view from. 3000 miles away. No. Oh, without a shadow of a doubt. I think the same thing is. Well, you know, it's happening right. here. It's obliterating the United States, but it's harder for the for. Americans to fight back against it. because there's no I mean, our. indigenous population,

you know, or the American Indians. who aren't even really the. indigenous population. But whatever. They were here before the Europeans. arrived, they replaced. another population was here before. them. But whatever. The point is, we don't have. kind of the we don't feel we have. the moral standing that say, the. Scots would have. Scotland was never or has not been. in a very long time and a. colonial power. Like what? Why are they doing this. to Scotland? Identity is a sense. of identity. Personal identity. You know, the sovereign individual.

And then that coming together. to be, you know, maybe. a sense of community in your town. Then and it broadens out to. national identity. is problematic. I'm utterly convinced that there's. a just a huge centralization of. power going on. Right. You know that there's a there. is a, you know, there's an. anonymous, faceless cabal of people, whose names we don't know, whose. faces we wouldn't recognize. Who are centralizing power.

And for the first time, the. technology is enabling that to be. global. People have tried in the past, you. know, whatever people have tried. to be, have been totalitarian. in the past, but it's not the. technology and and the and the. reach, has. never enabled a tyrant to. control the whole world. But that is there now. And I think that's what we are, what. we are hurtling towards. And you know people and it Hofer. in the true believer and so. on. You know he he wrote so effectively.

about how every mass. movement has sought to. Take away people's. National identity and. their personal identity. So they want you to they want you. to. They want each individual to turn. their back on their parents. and on their family as being, you know, you can do better than. these people. Their ideas are. outmoded. You know. They've messed you up and you'd be. you'd be better off without that. influence. And likewise, they want to cut. people away from their national. roots, their sense of belonging in a.

place, and their sense that they are. British or that they are French. Because once you get people. deracinated in that we cut. away from their roots. And the process is also. about making people ashamed of their. history, it their own. family history or their national. history. I've noticed that there's. nothing in the past but things to be. ashamed of. So you get people to disavow the. past, to disavow their parents, to disavow the family, to. of the the nation.

as it's been understood. And then those people are just some. spreadsheet. They'll just they'll. just flickering dots on a screen. that can be put anywhere. And you have and I know you have a. global population that don't belong. or feel connected to anywhere. And so you can put them. anywhere because they. have no roots. And that's been tried over and over. again. All the great faiths have. Done something, attempted something. similar. All the great. Ideologies, all the isms,

fascism, communism. Whatever. They all seek to do that to. To, as Hofer explains, and true. believer, they all apply the same. tools to get people. disconnected until you're just a. a lone individual that's ready to. donate uniform and. do something new. in the face of utopia. You know, the nowhere place that is. the ideal future that's easy to sell. people because it doesn't actually. exist, but. It what it means is total. destruction. I mean, I see mass immigration in.

Europe as a form of warfare. against the indigenous population. They're being destroyed and. degraded. Very obvious to me. as a serial visitor to that. continent over 50 years. And it's gets worse every time I go. there. Yeah, but I notice that the. people who were from there, whose. parents were born there, whose. ancestors are a thousand years ago, in your case, wearing like face. paint and skirts with spears or. whatever. It was scary. Highland tribes, like, none of those. people. Feel free to stand up and say, what. are you doing?

Like, no, you can't flood. my country with people from another. place because they're not Scottish. and I am. And you're wrecking my. country. Why can't. That's not racism. That's just. Obvious. And it's also I mean, it's. also important to remember all the. time that these people are being. uprooted and moved in in. their turn as well. Oh, I. Agree all at all. Everyone. And so, you know, so what happens is. yes, indigenous. populations are being flooded by. people from elsewhere. But those people have been uprooted. Yeah. By this, you know, by by. the same.

You know, by the same forces of. chaos and disruption. You know, the West has done. God awful things to one country. of the Middle East and elsewhere, one after another in countries. And those people are. cut up and cut away from the roots, and they are on the move as well. So everyone's victim in this. everyone. And where people. turn up in large numbers, where the, you know from a from an ethnic and. cultural and heritage point if you. don't belong. But that's also not their fault. You know, they're they're.

Pawns on the board as. Well. And of course, what happens is that. the people, you know, the resident, the. incumbent population feel threatened. by the arrival of the new. and they get angry with the incomers. when. Really we. Should all link our everyone should. link arms and. See who did this. Like. Calm down, everyone just let's let's. sort. Out exactly how this has happened. Are we being manipulated? Why are you why? Who's moved you here? You know, so it's important because. that you fall. You fall so readily.

into the to read. But do you have that conversation. in Scotland specifically? It was very difficult because of. course. Everything and any kind of. dissent, any kind of of. raising a voice in that we, brings out the same predictable. Tools. From the toolbox. So you get you just get coal. You know. I've, I've long ago, you. Know, I've been I've been described. as anti-Semitic for one reason. and another, I've been described as. White. Supremacist for one reason. And another, you know. I've had all the labels.

And, you know, you said at the right. at the beginning, you're, you know, known as a conspiracy. Theorist, they're almost badges of. honor. Like, if you hate if. you're not being tarred. With those brushes, then you're not. You're not doing your bit. Because if you you can eat. immediately that old. Line about, you know, that you're. over the target when you're taking. flak, if you're being. if they've got to good, if you've. got nothing better than to call you. anti-Semitic, white supremacist, whatever, then you think, oh, I. must be, I must be doing something. right, because that's just the same.

old, box. of clumsy, blunt tools. that get brought out to shout down. anyone who's actually asking. important, pertinent questions. But we're not going to answer them. because we're not going to give them. the answer, because the answer will. expose us, the baddies, even. further. So let's just let's. just dismiss them as. Is, does it racists. In Scotland, in the UK? Well, I think as I see, because many. people. Are now finding that it's a badge. of honor to be. You know, I've been a, I've been a. Putin apologist stuff at that when.

flung at me. I've been, all. sorts of things just because I've, I've said, you know what? Jumping into all of these stories at. the moment in the, in the third act. was actually the expression that, Jim introduced to me when I had him. on my show the other week and he. said, you know, everyone was invited. to join the Ukraine story in the. third act. But, you know, there's there's pages. and pages of all of this, obviously, before you get to. The Russian tanks trundling across. the Ukrainian border, you're. Coming in late. If you've. Joined the cinema in the last in the.

war, there. Have been a war in progress for. eight years. And and I know it's, you. know, now it's Israel-Gaza and. everyone's invited to like that all. started on October the 7th and you. know it did. No no no no. So so it's all it's all obvious. It's all obvious stuff. And. Because those. Turn spotlights onto. Places. And stories and back. stories that that the troublemakers, the original troublemakers do not. want to be confronted with, then. hence, you know, shut everything. down. Censorship, labeling,

you know, dismissing people as. you, you know, well, whatever, whatever bad name they can think of. How long did it take you to get, to decide you didn't care what they. called you again? It's again, it's that thing about, you know, the first time you get. punched, it hurts. But worse than not. Peanuts. The shock. But then the next time you get. punched, that. Oh, yeah, that's. that's that again. And I suppose, around the time, because I came. Into all of this, I suppose, or.

I was seemed to come into all of. this, around Covid and lockdowns. and vaccines for children and all. the rest of it. But then, as I say, once I picked up that thread and. then everything started to then the. the big tapestry all started to fray. and unfurl the the. next thing that came up then was. Ukraine. And suddenly people. who had there was this. loose. Coalition, I suppose, this fragile. thing of people coming together. around the Covid debacle.

and asking the right questions and. being militant enough and. Seeing no, there was a cohesion. There. But that is. as though the powers. Right. We've been rumbled on, we've been. rumbled and Covid got let's get a. war going. Wars was a. Great. And then and so Ukraine started and. a lot. Of the people that had been. briefed, it was like it was like an. awakenings, you know, the. Robert DeNiro movie. People had briefly come a week. just. Went when the Ukraine war started. The oldest went back to where they.

had been before, listening. to the propaganda, just. taking the the official line, accepting the official narrative. And so I suppose it was when I. started being accused of being an. apologist for for Putin, I thought. I've already been a. An aluminum, tinfoil hat wearing. conspiracy. Theorist. Anti-vax or, you know, granny. killer. No, I'm a Putin apologist. Fair enough, I've I've seen the way.

this works and know that I've. collected that badge like a scout. I can put that one on my sleeve as. well. No, my Putin apologist. and I definitely don't. I really don't care. No, because if. you're not being if you're not being. accused of being. Whatever label, then you're not in. the debate. I just reject the whole premise, which is that some group of. people who really kind of hate you. or have contempt for you, at the. very least, can decide. who your enemies are. and then require you to agree with.

them. I've never had really strong. feelings about Russia. I certainly wasn't mad at Russia. Why would I be? They never did anything to me. But like Toria Nuland in our State. Department decides, well, they're. our main enemy for whatever weird. reason she has. for deciding that. And now I have to sign on to that. Like I'm an adult man. I can decide who I like and who I. don't like. I don't the whole idea. of it or get on board. Well, I don't know. Maybe I don't. want to. Like what? Who would go along with that? How could any adult allow.

some faraway officeholder, agency head, or NGO director to. decide what their opinions should. be? Well, your opinions as a father. of three, a married man with a job. like what you have to believe. Does that seem weird to you? It does seem. Well, it does seem. Weird to me. I think people are. frightened. Of what? Of? Well, you know, I've as a as. just, you know, talking about that. experience on the plane with, with. my, with my bare faced. literally and, you know, defiance.

of that, that diktat. It's extremely. Uncomfortable to, to. To stick out to, to put your. head up, to be noticed. Yeah. Is I suppose, you know, actually, in. Answer to your earlier question. about what would be a unifying, characteristic of of people. that said, no. I suppose. I had already had. a. Long time of being recognizable. to some people because of the kind.

of talent I have low level. familiarity, celebrity, whatever. Some people would recognize me from. television documentaries that I had. made, and so I had grown a kind. of a hard shell about being. looked at and, you know, whispered. about, noticed. So that sticking out in that way, I was already slightly familiar. with, whereas. I think. For for people. Who had had who. Had enjoyed complete anonymity and. then it came to see the Covid thing. and not wearing a face mask or.

asking questions about what was what. the what their children should or. shouldn't put in their bodies. It's very uncomfortable to. to stand up and be. noticed, to be visible. And so because I have. Had a little bit of a little bit of, I've grown a little bit of a callus. A little bit of hard skin about. being noticed because I had I. was a face from television, I suppose, made it that little bit. less uncomfortable for me to. then be spotlit about.

for the first time in my life, controversial issues. I'd never been controversial in my. life. But at least I was slightly, you. know. Slightly familiar with with. Being noticed. When you started to get attacked as. a bigot, crazy person, white. supremacist, whatever that is. How did the people you love, like, how did your wife react? Well. You know. We're through this here. And to. Be right there. In this room and we've been.

100% together. on all of it. She's never blinked, you know, from. from all from all began. And, and so I've always. had that absolute. for, for, for so many people with. a split happened between partners. over some of this. I can't imagine how awful that. must be, because it's hard enough. I can't imagine. Imagine. But we are. We've always been 100% together on. it. And even within our wider. families, you know, we're people,

you know, to the to the jobs and. whatever. There's never been any. never been any trouble. difference of, you know, differences. of opinion and people thinking what. was the right thing to do, what was. the wrong thing to do. But no rancor. No. You know, no, no, no. Shouting, no, nothing like that. And so I've always I've. mercifully, thankfully, I've never. been more grateful in my life for, you know, for, for Trudy because of. the way that she responded to big. change. I mean, if you're, you know, if. you're married to someone who's on. television and she's famous for.

I know his views on the Vikings and. everyone kind of likes you for that. And all of a sudden he's being. called, you know, a white. supremacist. That's a that's a big. change. Yes it is. But as I. Say, she just never blinked. You know, she didn't blink. Well, you are blessed in the game of. chicken. She just didn't. blink. She knew she knows me. She's known me. Since I was 19. And you know, when it comes to being. called things like anti-Semitic or. racist or misogynist or. whatever, whatever Putin apologist,

she knows me. So she doesn't have to. wonder, is he. You know, because she just she. just. She's smiling at me. Like, you. Know, you're just really, really for. so fortunate to have. Oh, well. Well, yes, yes. Fortune. But we also, I suppose, you. know, you have to kind of think, well, we. We, we probably, you know. Choose one another and then. stay for reasons. And then you think, as it turns out, you know, this being, you know, this.

being a testing situation, this would be part of why I choose. this person. Because, yes. One way or another, I think I. probably knew that. She'd be like this. In a situation like. This, you know. And me for her, you know, we would. just we just back each other up, which does make you very. invulnerable, because this whole. this whole process. Absolutely. In a way that's cliched. You do get confronted with what. matters, you know, and we've.

You know, when it, you know, I mean, we're. Just we're very we we've. Been thrust into this from really a. very recognizable and ordinary. lifestyle. You know, we've got a. mortgage and we've got, you know, and we depend on a on a regular. income to keep the wheels on the. wagon. Like, like, like like everybody. else, you know, the. Vast majority of people. and, and. So we, so we. Identify and have that commonality. with, you know, sort of that's why I. think a lot of people, you know, write letters to me from all over. the world, and they only stop me in.

the street to talk to me because, you know, I think they instinctively. realize that I'm. Not a. You know, a credentialed academic. and I'm not an expert on this, that. or the other. I'm very much just a. regular. Person with. With the same with all of the same. concerns that. They've got kids, school, you. know. All of it that people. were, you know, were able to. were able to identify with. But when I say that, I've been. confronted with what really matters, you think all that stuff. about, you know, whether you have.

could afford us whatever. I don't know what, you know, second. home. Or. Luxury cars or all of that stuff, all that cliched stuff that that. people are encouraged to think. about. You think, God know what? Really what really matters is. spending, 24 hours. a day with somebody that backs. you up. I mean. And my kids are the same. You know, the kids were they came. through the whole they were under. pressure at the time to to take. jobs. You know, you won't be able to. go to the gym or you won't be able. to go to, you know, you won't be. able to just socialize and be able. to travel.

And they were rattled by that. They were, you know, younger than, you know, they're. Teenagers when all of that up and. very, you know, impressionable and. vulnerable. But but we got them. through that with they didn't. you know, they didn't they didn't. They ended up choosing not to take. the, you know, take the jobs either. And I cannot. put into words how much. that means to me that they didn't. get polluted with. that product. That's it. That's everything to me. And never mind the fact that I. didn't, the fact that it didn't go.

into them, that there's no, there's no, there's no salary. you could give me. There's no, you. know, there's no there's no bonus. You could bang me. That would that would make any. difference. So it's it's all it's all of. that. And so it's. Been it's hard to talk. About it in many ways without, you. know, without sounding. almost like you're patronizing. people. But, you know, the the. extent. To which I've been reminded about. what's important in. Life is. worth.

Is worth all of it. You call me any name. You want because I know who I am. and you know my family, know who I. am. And I can look at my kids. and my wife and I and. she and mine and think, no matter what, literally, no matter. what happens, we. we made the right calls. It does seem like, obviously. you're from a different, slightly. different culture, than we're from here in the United. States. You it's a much smaller country.

It's an island in the middle of a. freezing sea. And there does seem. to be a greater level of conformity. in the UK than the rest of the. United States. Do you think so? Is that how it. strikes you. And is it does I mean, it's a more. obedient culture. You know, you never had a wild West. You didn't have gunfights. You haven't, you know, since. Christianity showed up, etc.. But it it does. seem like and I'm judging the square. media landscape. It seems like you and Russell Brand, maybe there's somebody at George. Galloway. There don't seem to be many.

dissenters. Describe the media. in the UK right now. Oh my goodness. I have to be careful. with my flowery language. Go crazy. Okay, well. I'm appalled. I'm just simply. Appalled. The we don't have. anything that passes for in the same. way that we don't have any representation. in Parliament. Yeah, we don't have any we don't. have any, representation. in the mainstream. Media that was like at all. Right. That was another aspect of what was.

so unbelievable and so. discombobulating and stressful. about all of this, because in the. early weeks and months of what was. going on from 2019, 2020. onwards. There was a period of waiting. For the. The people. The silverbacks of the media world. to stand up and do what was required. to be done, which. Was ask some questions, don't don't propagandize, don't just give us the the. Government line and the and the. pharmaceutical. Line and all of this. Yeah stop lying chat challenge.

Who's so that that incredible. period of weight. And, every single one of them failed. the test. All of them, all the mainstream. channels, all the big titles, you know, the Telegraph, the Times, the Daily Mail, the. works, the all they. all. Swallowed it and pumped it back. Out again. So the the media is we. don't have a well. We don't have a media worth its. name. And journalism.

in Scotland, for. Example, had a proud, proud, proud. History of journalism. Dundee were really studied to be. a journalist. A DC Thomson, you know, an iconic. publishing name in in Scottish. journalism. German journalism was the cry from. Dundee. I'm a. Proud. Proud history of being, ready to hold to the fire the feet. of those in authority and. Overnight either. it had either it had slipped away. and we hadn't noticed. Yeah, there's one exposed by Covid.

Or or it. Or it slipped away as soon as the. Covid debacle started. And then. And then. Realizing you're part of that. process of casting around, looking. for the God, we can't be the only. people that think this is bonkers. and ballocks. There must be other people like. this. And then that process of going. online and. As you see Russell Brand, God bless. him, you know, he was already a he. was an established podcaster. You know, he already was. He was already there doing other. things.

And when all this started, he. was suddenly to the fore. You know. Asking those things is an. understatement. I mean, he was from a completely. different. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But no incentive to get involved. But when it was, when it was. required. He was suddenly he. Was there and we were watching. We were consuming Russell Brand. as much of it as we could get. And we were watching you and we were. watching George Galloway on the. mother of all talk shows. And, you know, these funny. things, these constellations, you. Know, all the other stars went out. in the night. Sky and a few suddenly all these.

new constellations appeared. And you're looking at. You, thank God. Right. We can listen. Who can we listen to today? The who may have many points. of view that in other subjects. and other concerns I might not agree. with, but. They're certainly. Asking some of the right questions. about. This. And, you know, so the new. Media. Stepped into the stepped into the. fray. And if anyone. And they. Are people were surprised to see. me, a guy that used. to make. Documentaries about.

Stonehenge and the. White Cliffs of Dover and, you know, in waterfalls and Purple. Mountain. Majesty and all of that, if. they were surprised to see me. suddenly. You know, spotlit on a on live. television. asking questions about and refusing. to comply with this, that and the. next thing, if people were surprised. to see me cast in that role, well. Not half as surprised as I was. or what really was, you know, looking at you on how did this. happen to you? How have you. Ended up doing this? You said, well, that's a very good. question. I really don't know. But it's like the bit in the it's.

like the bit in the airplane, you. know, where the pilots. Died. Of food poisoning and the co-pilot's. dead and all and some, some, you know, schmuck has to. come from the back of the plane, but. because. Nobody else is going to do it, you. know, a lot of people. were. Suddenly cast into that, unlikely. into the unlikely. Role. And have taken the dog's abuse. for having done so. And their only crime has been to see. how. Hang it. Hang on. I've got I've got a question. before we all leap into the abyss.

of all of this totalitarian. regime, I'd quite like. to ask a couple of questions just. before we all go. And, you know, and some of the. hardest criticism has come from. people that would have thought ostensibly. would have been on your side. I mean, you live in a place where. there are. I really don't think the. American. We often complain about. our media, which is Stalinist, completely Stalinist. They serve the people in power. They'll tell any lie. It doesn't matter to them at all. But I think it's much worse in the. UK. That's just my observation.

I mean, I did watch some of your. guys, you know, eating hamburgers. and saying, you get a free one of. these if you get your job. And. oh, it. Was. Totalitarian and dancing alongside, you know, you know, people dressed. up as hypodermic needles. And I mean, I remember all of that, but. So. So yes. It's it's. But it doesn't seem like any dissent. is allowed in your country, for. example. Tell us about the Scottish. hate speech law. Oh, well, that I would say. That's part and parcel of something. that seems to be happening around. the world in a certain kind.

of Western country, which is to say, either small. countries with small populations or. quite large land masses, but small. population. So, you know, Canada, Australia, but, you know, places. like New Zealand. The Anglosphere, the speaking world. But then but then something equally. sinister also happened in Israel, you know, where, yes, where. Netanyahu said, make, make. my people the petri dish of the. world experiment. On these here. Lab rats. Yes. So again, a small a small population.

with but with a, with a, with. an authoritarian leader that just. off hand just decided to do what you. wanted. But that was true of all of. them. So. And yes but Britain. but then Scotland obviously has a. devolved, administration, based in. Edinburgh, in power. in power to, to, to to take a. certain amount of decisions. separate from Westminster in London. And we've been under the, the. Thrall of. of a. Of administration in Edinburgh.

led by the Scottish National Party. for what seems like a thousand. years. It's been like an SNP, right. It doesn't seem very Scottish to me. at all. Well. I first got into I first. put my head above the parapet and. got into trouble as a, as a contrarian all. the way back in 2014. actually, because that was the time. of the referendum on. whether or not Scotland would remain. part of the United Kingdom or with. striker as a, as a, as a separate.

entity. And God forgive. me, I had. Kind of been keeping out of it. I was just. I had my opinions, but I was keeping. it that relatively late in the day. Coming up to the vote, I think it was the Telegraph, but one of the big broadsheet. newspapers asked me for, what do you think? Would you write, as, you know, a thousand words about. what you think? And I wrote that. Well, to cut a long story short, that I would prefer to stay part of. the United Kingdom. Cue the opprobrium. from the nationalists, those.

who and because of. I had made television like the. history of Scotland, and I had been. seen as a certain kind of Scottish. TV presenter. I think a lot of. people made the broad assumption. that I was probably nationalist. in my politics, which I never have. been. And, you know, never will be. But, but but nonetheless. So I got, I got into I got into. trouble then and so I've been on. the, I've been under attack. from the SNP and its. little wizards ever. since then.

So I have it's, it's, it's important. probably in the context of this. conversation to make plain that it. actually wasn't Covid. I first got into trouble. It was it was the independence. referendum. And so Scotland is run. by, By low caliber. people. Low caliber carcass autocracy. You know, government by the worst of. people? Yes. And, you know, the the SNP start, you know, started out famously. Well, not it didn't start out, but.

at the time of the referendum, it. was led by Alex Salmond. Who at least was a. You know, he was an able surefooted. politician. And an. A good orator. You know, so he had some he. Had some game. But subsequently it's been Nicola. Sturgeon and it was Nicola and. then more recently Humza Yousaf. And now he's fallen on, he's fallen. off his own feet and he's been. replaced by another one, another, you know, another non-entity. But it was Nicola Sturgeon through. the, through the Covid debacle.

And they just seemed to the rally. they reveled in, she reveled in the. power which she reveled in, you. know, appealing every day to count. death tolls and insist on the. continuation of lockdown and. cutting the six inches off the. bottoms of doors and. in school classrooms to let her. circulate in scene. She a pretty smart, happy, well-balanced person. I would say no, no, no. Not always. But anyway. Anyway, she's gone. But.

So you have. In the SNP in Scotland, people who are drunk. with the idea of power, you know, they really I mean, the. very idea that the people at the a. majority would, would have put that. bunch actually in control of an. independent country makes my blood. run cold. It was a close run thing. for a while, but it's gone now. The threat is gone for a. generation, if not forever. But so the. the inept. The carcass autocratic.

And when it came to the. the hate crime legislation. The what the the just. Seemed to go for one offensive, irritating policy after another. The attempted a named persons. Bill. In recent history where they were. trying to insinuate between every. child and their parents. a named person. that could be a. Teacher could be. any figure that. That person would have been. encouraged, and the child would have.

been encouraged to establish a. relationship with that named person. If there are things you don't want. to talk about. Talk to, you could talk to this. named person. And and your parents would. Never need to know that. Those conversations had. Taken place. This was the named person's bill. It was eventually. Knocked back at the. This is an attempt to destroy the. family. Yeah, well, that's would certainly. be. That was my. Interpretation of what. Is the other interpretation. Well, it was supposed to be. The government has more authority. It's your home. Isn't always it's the same. It's the same reason for, you know,

clamping down on the internet. It's it's for the safety of. children. That's what they always see this. It's about protecting children from. this, that and the other one. Of. course, we know it's got nothing to. do with that. It's just about taking. control of the internet. So the Named Persons Act was. Yes. But in line with that idea. of it, if you want to lead a popular. movement, you have to separate the. children from the parents. You've got to you've got to put. pressure on the family into the. family fractures. to the Supreme Court, the highest. court in the land, to finally turn. back and stop the named. persons bill.

But it will be. It'll be in someone's drawer. somewhere. Yeah. You know, you know, it's still under. consideration. The hate crime. Legislation. Which. So it's. Important, you know, not to come in. on the SNP in the third act, so. To speak, the long history of this. kind of behavior. And, and when it came to the, you know, the hate, the hate crime. legislation, you know, that was a. pet project of Humza Yousaf, who was the sometime justice. minister. He always failed in every. post but fell upwards, you know, so he was you know, he was. justice and field and got promoted. up to health and field and promoted.

up to whatever, you know, one. inappropriate appointment after. another. And the hate crime legislation was. his was very much something that, that he championed. What was it? It was it was well, you see. A manifestation of it in Canada. Trudeau has brought in similar. is bringing in has brought in. similar legislation. I don't know if it's called. The hate crime. It's almost the same name. But you see, all over. The same thing is happening in. Australia. The attempt by. These would be. These tinpot, dictatorial,

politicians, to. have control of the. What people say in. What people think. Humza Yousaf wanted to criminalize. what people were seeing in the. privacy of their own homes. So the idea. Was that if Mum and dad were having. a conversation in front of the. television one evening and. said something, if the. child inadvertently repeated. it in school the. Next day, let's see. My dad said so and so. the police could. Come to the house. hypothetically and say to the.

father, what was that. you were seeing in this house last. night? We've got. You know, your your child's you. know. That was that that was the level of. it. Serious harms. I mean, that's. totally North Korean. I don't even think that happens in. North Korea. Actually. He's gone. No, he's. But is he considered I mean, he. should be expelled from your. country, for doing that. in my. But what is he considered. a villain? I mean, how could he? That's so evil. Yes, yes you would. You would think. That any rational person would. respond to that kind of notion in.

the same way. But look at the way. it's happening all over. It's not just happening in Scotland. It's happening all over. It's part of a it's part of a. pattern of behavior. of a certain kind of, controlled. Leader. In one Western country after. another. You are demonstrably. working from the same script. You know, it's no coincidence that. all of these Western. Regimes in these countries are. taking similar steps at the same. time, you know, they're not they're. not acting independently.

of one another. They're not all. having these dreadful ideas. independently at the same time. You know, this stuff is being is. part of the same pattern that we saw. during lockdown, where suddenly it. was everyone was seeing Build Back. Better, everyone was seeing narrow. window of opportunity, you know, everyone was saying safe and. effective. Clearly centralized success was a. pandemic of the unvaccinated. I think we can agree. Yes, absolutely. That was that was a favorite. So but what is that. what are we looking at. Who's coming up with these ideas, these talking points.

What's the point of it all. Like I don't want to be a. conspiracy nut, but I but the level of coordination. suggests that there is, you know, some sort of body. atop all of this controlling. everything. I mean, what else does. It feels as though. I think it's getting harder and. harder to overlook. what seems like the certainty that. we're on the cusp. Of change. Yeah, yeah, a paradigm. change.

I would say that we're being that. we're being headed towards. feudalism. You know, most people. For most of 5000. years of human. History, most people. pretty. Much live in a self. in serfdom. Yeah. In a feudal state, you can, you can. you can describe it any way you. like. But it's so narrow. Very, very small. Group at the top with everything, with all the castles ownership of. everything and everyone. else is has been so.

far beneath them as to be, insect. level, and, and. treated accordingly. You know that that is. What we're going back to. Really up until the 19th century. It was it was the way. Of it for everyone. Everywhere, the we, the we, the kind of way of life that has. Been possible for some of. Us. A relative handful in the scheme of. things, a blink of an eye in the. in the great story of human. civilization. A tiny, tiny lucky group. For a couple of hundred years. In the West were able to live.

lives of unbelievable. Liberty and opportunity and. equality and aspiration. And, you know, if you if you wanted. to, you could. You know, you know. Get whatever you were. capable of achieving for yourself. Yes. And enough generations have taken. that for granted that now. it's it has fallen. And people think that, you know, food in the supermarkets, lights on in the dark. You know, police on the street. actually care about the people.

rather than being enforcers. for the establishment. They think there's been a. misconception that somehow is just. in the natural order of things, that society works like that. And just the merest glance. At the rest of the world at the. moment never lies. Never mind. 5000 years of. History will show that the. possibility of. Living the kind of lives that some. of us have been able to live. For a very brief period of time is. vanishingly it's impossibly unlikely. what we've had. But but too many people have finally. been. Taking it for granted, one after.

another. That. No, that. No, the. No. Those who would. Return us to feudalism. Have saw. The opportunity and have been and. have been working towards it, and populations all over the West. taking it for granted. Being tolerant, being nice, keeping. Their heads down in return for. safety and convenience. Have laid themselves open or not. done, not. In a fit state to.

Defend themselves against. a well, well motivated small. group that wants to return the whole. thing to some sort of new. feudalism. But, I mean, that's not to say it's. too late. You know, I don't want to be. I don't want to be completely. negative here. I do think it's still. possible. I think enough people. have realized are realizing. all the time. And I would say, I think. Wait a minute. Just one thing. So are you suggesting it sounds like. you are, and you probably are, right. But that some kind of.

feudalism is the natural state of. man? Radically hierarchical societies are. just natural. Yes. Yes, absolutely. People enslaved. You know slavery. Is is a you know, is a is a is. unnatural. State. Of course it just. is. You know, it's been it's been a. reality for so many, for such a large part of everyone. who's ever lived or died. Of course. Through history. But I think, you know, when, when in 2016. You know, when we had Trump.

Elected here. And Britain voted. Brexit. It's subsequent to that. We've got Covid and. goodness knows what all. Trudy said perhaps. she wasn't alone, but she was the. person that I had to see it. She said. those two things were not supposed. to happen. They were not in the script. Somebody took their eye off the ball. and allowed a figure like Donald.

Trump to elect in America. That's right. And and for the. population of Britain by a narrow. margin, but nonetheless by a. majority to leave the European. Union, Judy said. Everything we've had since has been. a sustained punishment. Beaten. Yeah. To put those populations. back in their box. So everything that's happened, including the evaporation. of your southern border, all. of that, all of that that's happened. has been. A panicky. Response by. that, by a narrow.

Group. That saw two things happening off. script that were of great. significance because it was. democratic. You know, that those were popular. votes. And now populism is being stamped. on all over. All over the world. The tractors, the truckers revolt, a farmers. protest all across Europe. All of these things are being. mischaracterized by the authorities. as far right as extremists. as, you know, all of the same, all. of the same labels, because in both. cases, they. Didn't get what they voted for. I mean, Trump was not able to.

govern. No. A very effectively. It couldn't build the wall that he. promised, was investigated. and spied on from, you know, the. very first day. And I don't think you guys got. Brexit. You voted for Brexit, right? 52%. I think it was 52. Yeah, 52 to 48% in favor. of leaving the European Union. And from the moment the ink. dried on that decision, the all of the, the powers that. be in the establishment, in the. civil service, all across the political parties.

moved heaven and earth to thwart. that decision. And so it's been Brexit. in name only. But, you know, they've called it because. it's no worse. I would say that the situation for. for those people that aspired to. Brexit. They've got less. Now than they had. before the vote happened. because they've been so. comprehensively punished. And and Brexit has been so. eviscerated. The very concept of it has been so.

hollowed out that. the people that wanted that have got. less than nothing from it, because it was. Because it was, it was populist. And notice also that in the last 4. or 5 years, people has become a. pejorative. How can people use the word. democracy to describe a country? Well, we don't that's why I have. these, these fundamental problems. about we certainly do not have. democracy. I wonder when democracy went away, I wonder, I wonder for how long it's. been. It's been stunning. Your guess?

I really. Oh, gosh. I mean, in my most conspiratorial. moments, I think something. began to happen all across the West. After the Second World War. Really? From the middle. From the. During the war and. after the war, I. think the moves. I do not know if it started then, but I think it was a gear shift. Have you been to Tokyo? Have you been to Japan? I have, I have filmed in Tokyo. So then you sort of wonder when you.

go to Japan if you go from London. to Tokyo. There's no evidence that. one that the side that one actually. won and the side that lost. actually lost. Like, if you didn't. know the history, you would think, well, obviously Japan won the war. Look at it. Obviously England lost it. Look at England. Yes. What is that? Yes. I mean, there are all sorts of. things that are confusing. I'm not a historian, I love history, I'm fascinated by history. My shelves are full of history. books, but, I so.

How many books have you written or. written? 12 or 13. Some what? I think it's fair to call you a. historian. Well. But I'm not an academic. I don't write, and I know what I. want to be. I never really have had. that. It's not in my nature. I'm not really. Anyway. So it means that. I'm unprepared. I'm perfectly happy to. To be at home to, unorthodox ideas about history. Because I don't have any academic. papers. I don't have a professorship. to defend.

Maybe that's why you can see the. world clearly. And I. Sometimes wonder if my if I. Have a unique, a USP, you. know, a. Unique selling point. I think it may be. That the things I have. said over the last few years. Everyone knows they're. True. Yeah. It's just that for whatever reason, I've said them. and I've had the I've had the. opportunity and the platform. from which to see them. and, and because I, I just a regular person.

seeing what every other regular. person knows is true. That's my. Show. But we've wandered. We've wandered off. What? I think that's a great that's. You're qualified enough. You're not an Oxford don. But. But what? You've been read about a lot of. things. I've got basic questions. About the Second World War. Okay. What? What are they like? Clearly, something important. changed in the West in 1935. What was. That? What's very interesting to me. is that, you know. Hitler and Stalin. got together at the beginning.

Yeah, of course of it. And when Poland was invaded, Britain said, we will do whatever. it takes to restore freedom. and democracy to the people from. whom it's been. denied. Yeah. Stolen. And then what happened? And then Oliver and then and then, you know, you've only got to. read any. Coverage of the Second. World War to know that at the end of. the Second World War, Poland. was left swallowed whole by. Well, they handed it to Stalin. Oh, so so the stated,

the stated objectives that the. stated. Objective of Britain declaring war. At the time was. Well, you didn't do it. You didn't. You didn't do that. Well, you didn't even try. And in our country, it's illegal to. criticize Winston Churchill. He's the greatest hero in. World. History. When you look at that, when you look. at the murkiness that happened at. Yalta, you know, between, you know, between, you. know, Roosevelt and Stalin and. Churchill and, and the fact that,

you know, agreements were. arrived that somehow where. Many people. Who wanted. Whatever you would call West. The West. They want it to be the. West. They were just allowed. To be swallowed whole by. the Communist. Bloc. Yeah. To the most violent. totalitarian in history. So they handed these countries, they. went to war to protect. the sovereignty of these countries. that they then handed. And people were being chased back. across, across justified.

lines, back into that. What is that? Clearly. Clearly. So there's lying here. So what's the truth? So that we started we started. there because we were speculating. about when. it all started to go wrong, when the when the slide towards, you know, NE. Of anything that ends in ism is the. same. You know, whether it's fascism or. communism or any of these. things end up with piles of corpses. You can't get cigaret paper between. these, between any of these. ideologies. Yeah. It's important not to be. distracted by whether or not it's.

National Socialism or communism or. whatever. They're all the same. They're good for a handful of. people, and they're catastrophic for. everybody else. And clearly, clearly, something shifted up a gear. in the West. In the middle of the, in the. during the Second World War and. after, and has. been moving faster and faster. ever since. And but. I think. There's.

There's been an extraordinary gamble. taken. No. Because. even. People who are who are in a state of. semi slumber, like myself, were aware of notions like a social. contract. You know that the. I was that we as, as a. Citizens. Would be represent you know no. taxation without representation. You know we would be we would have. our views represented. We would have our liberty defended.

We would be we would be, we would be. safe in peaceful countries. And in return for that, we would pay. tax and we would submit to. certain otherwise, you know, onerous. restrictions on you can't do. anything. You've got to agree. to be policed by consent and, and so. on and so on. And, and that that's okay. So there's not a social contract. There's a quid pro quo there for. people as a reason for people to, to. To comply because there's something. in it for them. Liberty.

Aspiration, hope, all of that being protected by. Legislation and a constitution. and all and all of that. The gamble that's been taken now. is that all of that is supposed. is being taken away. Everything that the people, all the. things, all of the inducements. to be law abiding, peaceful. citizens is being taken. away. And what do I get in return? Nothing. You're going to get a digital ID?

You're going to get central bank. digital currencies. You're going to live in 15 minute. cities. You know you're going to have your. will tell you what to eat. Your your currency will be. programable. So we'll have complete moment to. moment in real time control of. everything you do. Everything you want to do. Now, that's a heck of a gamble. for for a very narrow group. of people to take with billions of. people, because there's nothing. in it for the people. There's nothing in it for them. And I think I think.

they have fumbled the ball. I think that's where there's hope, because not 50%, not 51% of the people. have realized that and would do. anything about it. But history shows. that it never it never requires. it only takes 5% or 10%. of people. To. Cotton on and do something about and. make the difference. And I think that on the. In the final moves towards. This kind of neo feudalism, they have exposed themselves. They've gone galloping towards the.

finishing line too early. in the wrong way, and too. many people have seen it. And I think in in there somewhere. is hope and it's probably. enough hope. I wonder, though, I mean, it does. seem two things. It seems like they're pushing. the population not just of your. country or mine, but really of most. Western countries, right to the. point of revolution. Like, how about we give you. nothing and you shut up and take. it? Yeah. And erase all hope.

for a future for your children or. grandchildren, even having children, grandchildren. It's quite a gamble to take. But the gamble is that the. the technology. is evolving so quickly. that it'll allow them. to harness, you know, this surveillance state. and various tools of violence that. are so overwhelming that there's. nothing the population can do, anything could do about it. You know, drones and I are going to. be enough to sort of force people to. accept this.

That's how I read it. It's possible. Yes, of course it's possible. But I think it's incumbent upon us. to be. Optimistic that that that's not what. happens. You know, I think there's an absolute. there's an absolute obligation. Beyond the right. It's it's an absolute obligation. to be positive. I struggle with it. I mean. I have to be. Yanked back on to the path of. righteousness by Trudy all the time. because she is, by inclination, more. positive than I am. But. But nonetheless, you know, I, I.

go to I lean to the dark side all. the time. Well, Scots have dark souls, don't. they? Yes we are. It's never difficult to to tell the. difference between a Scotchman and a. ray of sunshine. Yeah. As the saying goes. But you have to. It's what? When we spoke. Earlier about. Being brought to. Terms with being made to confront. what really matters. And it is difficult to talk about it. in many ways.

It almost makes a person blush. because of the things that you find. yourself having to say. But you know, the, you know, the. Constitution of the United States. You know. The First Amendment. This it's at times like. this that these things are suddenly. a. Light comes on inside them and. suddenly everyone sees them. As though for the first time. It's only because they're being. threatened that people see. them. You know, the and the very, you. know. The language, you know, the. inalienable right.

It's so important. You know that. You know this. You get this at school. But you know, the the inalienable. is, is to say that your freedom. is not. You're born with it. It's there. It's from God. It certainly isn't given to. You by any person. And it can't be taken from you by. any person. But the third and most important bit. about inalienable. I only really began to contemplate. in recent. Years is that even if you want to. surrender. Your freedom. You can't because.

it's inalienable. You are lumbered with it. You're you're stuck with it. It's like your leg. You can't. It's it's part of you, your freedom. And it's when it's challenged in. this way and it's under freedom. And people talk about freedoms as. though it's plural. It's only freedom. It's a single thing. And because it's inalienable. It's at the moment when it's being. threatened that people, none of. us has any. We have an obligation. to defend it.

You don't get the choice. If someone offers you slavery, would. you be my slave? You can't because. it's your inalienable right to be. free. You can't surrender to slavery. It's not your thing to give. away. And that's it. That's why some of this, I suppose, had to happen. People need to see the freedom. of speech being taken. Away by hate crime legislation, hate speech, legislation or. whatever. They need these things.

To happen before the. Before you look again at. what freedom is. What democracy might. Be, what it is to. have inalienable rights. You know, and we. we don't have the option to give. these things up even. even if we're broken and we want to. And these are I think these are. profound verities. What's the tipping point? What's the point at which you won't. have optimism? What's the point in which?

No. You can't. Good. Well, good. Well, you can't, because that's what. I mean, as I say, because you're. you're not it's not you're. not allowed. You're not. Entitled to give up. Because it's in the nature of. inalienable. Rights that you even. if until death. You know, they can. You know, we'll. Get, you know, you may take our. lives, but you'll never take our. freedom. You know. The oft quoted line from. Braveheart mean that is. just it. So there's nothing to be pessimistic. about, essentially, because the.

option to give up is not there. You don't get to give it up. Do you think that totalitarians will. win on us? No. No, they won't. Because. Because I believe. I also think a lot nowadays about. natural law. You know, if I read about common. law, which has. Become an obsession, and I read about natural law. and. Whether you're religious or not, if you let's say you just. if you accept. An intelligent universe.

And then natural law says that. the intelligent universe does. want the best for you. Unlike our regimes. and our establishments and our. powers that be. The universe is there. for you to be the. The, the best expression of. yourself and consciousness that it. can be. And. all of that can be subverted. by evil. It's a bit like a. If you can hold a bowl under. the surface of of water.

for as long as you put the strength. to do it, but the bowl wants. To be. Somewhere else, because that's the. that's in the natural order of. things. And eventually the totalitarians. will run out of the strength. to subvert the, the way that things are. Supposed to be. And you can't it's difficult to put. a. Time line on these things. You know, I wouldn't say that we are. going to see the end of it in our. lifetimes, you and me. And and it might be for our children. to see the end of it.

But it will. End. And the because. the natural. Law will. reassert. Itself. I didn't add another. of the things I was so. Sleepy. About in a state of slumber about, I didn't really think about. faith. I've always been. A person. Of faith. Quietly. I don't go to church, but. I believe in a. in a transcendent, intelligent entity.

And, I think. that was brought. Home to me. And the light came on in it for me. during this time as well, because. so many people wrote to me. Thousands of people wrote to me from. all over the world. This game. started where people one. one woman wrote a letter to me and. addressed it to Neil Oliver. Near Stirling Castle, Stirling, Scotland. And the letter came to me. I thought, oh, that's impressive. The postman managed to get that to. me, and I put a picture of it on. social media and without.

thinking, and it opened floodgates. And now I've had thousands of. letters like these. And so people were writing to me. without knowing my address. And the vast majority of the letters. were about, this is a fight between. good and evil. This is a fight between right and. wrong. This is about light and dark. It was. It was that it was as. fundamental as that. for for most of those people that. were writing to me and perversely. You know, in an upside down way, it. was. It was becoming aware. Of evil. In the world around me that made.

me think that there will. be. What's the opposite of evil? There must be. Good. There must be good. Because I see the evil. in every. You know, every, force has. its equal and opposite. Yes. So there must be good. There must be God or you. There must be. Because I've seen the alternative. I've seen the adversary. Because it's it's it's. Stalking the land. At the moment the badness is. visible. And that was.

You know, that's part of the there's. a profound realignment that I've. been. Going through, but it really is just. an. Awakening. I mean, that's a that's a. hackneyed term now, but being. awakened. To see it happening to others around. you. Yes. Yes, absolutely. More and more, more and more people. are seeing it and it doesn't you. know, differences. are never made by the majority. Not really. And that's not how it works. You know, the the crucial thing. is invariably done by the one. or just. A few people who are right,

you know, when you know, you know, when you. When you sometimes you'll be sitting. at a dinner table with friends. and family and whatever. And you see. Something and, and the whole place. just breaks up perfectly. You just say something and everyone. laughs. And if you think it often, most often you didn't. You didn't even think of the line, you didn't compose it. It was just there and you said it. And everyone laughs.

Because what you said. It's not just funny, it's also. True, right? You people can instantly. true runs through people, you know, like lightning. Through a lightning conductor. It just. It runs through you. And you feel it. And that I think that's what's. happened for a lot of people. A lot of people are able to identify. very readily with with. What's wrong. Here. Which is simply an inversion. of natural law that the. evil has is trying to assert itself.

Freedom is being taken from people. from whom it cannot be taken, but. with but with the ending of those. people themselves. These fundamentals are happening, and I do genuinely hand. on heart thinking of people think. that. Just think it. They know it because it's true. It's it's true. and people feel it. It's. See, I think what you're. saying is absolutely right. True things are. They resonate. There's like a tuning fork inside.

you that starts to hum when you. hear something that you know to. be true, it almost doesn't need to. be explained. So when you hear it, you know it. But I think there's a step from that. experience to using the word God. in public in the in the secular. West. Are you hearing that more? Yeah, definitely. I definitely and and. I feel good about it. And, and and I think. part of why I feel good about it is. because it's, it's coming at me in. various shades. You know. I'm, I'm being. You know, people, of Christian.

and, and Islamic. Faith. Are talking to me and, and inter alia the, the mentioned. the talk about everything, but we. talk about faith and good and evil. And I hear within the within the. Christian community, I hear from. Catholic and Protestant. and, and they're all seeing. the same thing because. The, the. The only important bits of any of. those messages are the same anyway. And they're all, they're all.

Again, it's the truth. So it's it's, it's. striking, it's chiming with me. It's I can, you know, I can feel it. because it's evidently true. And so I don't I don't have any I. don't have any qualm about invoking. God because, you know, I'm pretty sure I've. Caught the devil. It's so interesting. Like, everything. Not everything, but a lot of things. that I thought 20 years ago were, like, completely ridiculous. Now I was utterly wrong. And one of them, we were told. for so long that Muslims are your.

enemy. And I want to say, I'm not a muslim. and I'm completely opposed to mass. migration period. I don't care of anybody. I'm just against it. But. It hasn't turned out that way. And I have to say, you. Galloway of course, Russell Brand. It feels like the people. who hate you the most in the UK. are educated white liberals, and it feels like a lot of. Muslim immigrants are. open to what you're saying and agree. with you. That's my impression as a.

foreigner. Do you feel this? Yes, I do, because, you know. I think so. It's often it's much. more important just to see a person. first. Why, of course you know that. I know you know that. But that's that's the thing. And so I don't I don't always think. about this information is coming at. me from a Christian or from a. muslim. Well, in our country, I mean, it's a. different experience. But after nine. over 11 and I'm not I get. I'm not Muslim, not going to become. Muslim. I don't agree with Islam. But we were told again and again, and everybody in the world I. lived in seemed to agree. with it that Muslims.

is Islam. That's our enemy. I don't know if you had that. experience in the UK. We definitely have that here. and it's just interesting. But again, that's that's all part of. that. Divide and conquer. You're absolutely right. I just did not perceive that at the. time. I mean, stupid well, you've made me. think about it. You know, you you spent. Years in, in Washington. DC. Only 35. Not a big deal. You see, I mean, I, I hold. My hand up and say. I absolutely I grew. up. With absolute certainty that America.

where the good guys I watched The. West Wing, almost. all of it. And I thought that, you. know, as long as it's Democrats in. the, in the West Wing, you know, the, the white hatted. cowboys are out there making sure. everything's going to be. A good God. God help me. You know that. I went, oh, Jed Bartlet well, fantastic. And now I think. Oh ho. Why did I ever why did I ever. think that? Now you were in. The belly of the beast. What is it?

What? What is it with these people? You know, these people that you. know? I'm not going to name any names. You know, these people that have. gone in skinny and come out fat. with money, with lobbying. and goodness and insider. trading and all of the rest of it. So they've got more money than. Croesus. And they're still there in. their dotage, still. at what drives. it makes these. Chinese schools out. there bad. So I didn't grow up worrying about. money, just being as honest as I can.

be. So I never really thought of. money as a huge motivator in. people's behavior because it never. was. What's motivating these people? Oh well. Clearly money is part of it. I, I was just late to that. understanding. You know, we all have. blind spots and failures and that. was definitely one of mine. I just didn't I didn't see. how corrupt it was because I. couldn't imagine, like, I. would never say something I don't. believe for money. I would never do. that. It would never even occur to. me to do that. So, I didn't grow up like that. So the idea that other people. were saying things they knew to be.

untrue for money, that like, I never I was shot. It took me decades to figure. out that was going on. And you would hear people say, oh, it's all about the money. And I'd be. like, that's bullshit. It's not. You know, we just have. different views, different. ideologies, different worldviews. No, a lot of it was just about the. money and I just did not perceive. But how much money can a can a multi. multi-millionaire? Well I agree, I mean I've never been. that. Well that is absolutely right. First of all you know getting out of. debt, I do think it is.

a massive blessing. And if you can get out of debt, it. just means you're not controlled. And there is a inherent freedom in. that. And debt is slavery. We love debt in the United States. We have a debt based society, you. know, lending money and interest. That's like the main thing that we. do in the United States. I think it's disgusting. I've always thought that, so if you can get out of that, it's. clearly liberation. But beyond that, like, is it going to make you happy? No. I mean, I've just lived around. rich people my whole life, so I know. that that does not make you happy. So if we accept, but if we.

Accept that money is. But it must be. more than that. So what is that? What is that? What is the. Because, you know, you. one. Does end up. with fewer and fewer options. when it comes to explaining what's. going on, and it just feels. Like, you know, it. Does begin to feel as if it's. in the service of some kind of. Darkness. That's what I feel. I mean, it is it is in this in. the service of darkness. There's no kind of rational. explanation for transgenderism, you know, that's just you're. sterilizing kids. There's no upside that could ever.

justify that. You're doing it for. killing people, as. you know, the US government has, I. hate to say it as a patriotic. American, but it's been a force for. for killing for a long time. What is that? And again, there's only. a spiritual answer. I think, to that question. I don't see a rational one for sure, but I also think it's recognizable. in a temporal, framework as hubris. It's the belief that you are. God, that you have greater powers.

than any man actually possesses. greater foresight, greater wisdom, greater power. And that is like the oldest trap. There is like that is the story. of history is people, you. know, convincing themselves that. they're more than human. And, and that's that's how you. destroy yourself in the society that. you lead, for sure. And so what happens was, is has. the. So has the American republic. fallen? And is it just something. As long gone? I mean, the second you. allow an Intel agency to murder your.

democratically elected president, as. we did 62 years ago, and then sort. of ignored that, it happened to be. like, I don't think that's really. what happened. Shut up. Look, no, it's not number. If you allow unelected. bureaucrats to murder the guy that. the majority elected, like just by. definition, the system is not. what they say it is. Obviously so. But I do think I agree with you. 100%. And I agree with. our, you know, long departed. President Dwight Eisenhower, that.

it really was the Second World War. in ways that I don't understand. But it's demonstrable change, the nature of the country to change. the relationship, between the population and its. government. Can I ask you a question. that I always think about? But it's. a UK specific question. So 1914. UK, England, Britain, whatever. we're calling it, you know, is. running the world. You know, and doing, I would say a. pretty good job, not perfect job,

pretty good job putting in. railways and spreading Christianity. and being kind of pompous, but. basically being a fairly benign. colonial power. As colonial powers go, there's a war. For years, the smartest people. in the country are killed for no. obvious reason. The country's really weakened by. that war. The United States becomes. a preeminent power in the world, by 1919. So it's a huge loss for. Great Britain. I would say the First. World War again for no real reason. 20 years later,

your leaders tell you've got to do. it again for reasons that are. clearly fake. Liberate Poland and then hand it to. Stalin. That's not the reason. Obviously, democracy. is not the reason. And then the. country's really, like wrecked and. the empire collapses and it becomes. sad. Is there bitterness about that? Like, why wouldn't that be the the. bitterest thing that ever happened. in the history of your country? Are people still? Do they talk about. that? They brought us into two wars. It just destroyed us. All these cool things that we had, this great society that we had, we. made the.

I think there's a I think there is a. I think there is a. A lingering sadness. But what about anger? Like your leader said that there's. no reason to join either war. Well, the the people. Obviously, in my lifetime. Your lifetime, the veterans of the. First World. War, they're all gone. Oh, of course. You know, and and the veterans of. the Second World War, you know, the endangered species that they. are, you know, they are almost. stolen on the way out. And so and so and once, once the, once the the people.

to whom it happened are gone, then. that takes something. with them. You know, we don't we're only, angry with what happened at one. remove, in a sense, because the people who. really suffered are gone. But but I hear what you're saying. But I was born 25 years after the. war. But, I mean, obviously, you could. see. I mean, you could. See that Britain only became a. second rate power after Suez, you know, which wasn't until 5650. So so you could. See that we were for, for whatever.

had happened to us, got to see the. First World War and then the Second. World War. It was it was that. it was that. Show in Suez and, and that humiliation, you know, with by America that. that Britain became us. Only then I. was dead. I was dead. You know, I. Would say it's much I think. you do make me. Think about something that's not. unconnected. I do think that what's. happening at the moment.

We will not. Understand what has actually. happened here. Maybe in 50 years time, people look, but maybe in a hundred years time, in the same way that I would say, you know, someone who went through. the First World War, even. if they were experiencing, even if. they were in the Western Front or. whatever, with the bullets. flying and seeing all of the over. the horror of it, we couldn't, couldn't possibly conceptualize. the impact and the consequences. and the significance. And the way in which you don't live. You don't live through a period and. know that you might.

Suspect. That the world might be changed. forever as a result of the period. that you're living through. But to actually predict what. will be the. The real. Consequences in 10. in 50 years time is beyond. all of us, I think. I think it's. impossible. I think part of why people weren't. waking up to this at the moment and. won't confront it, is because. it's. It's so big. What's happening, I think, is. going to be like a first world. war. Of course, you know, through.

it, you know, someone said that the. First World War was a set of iron. railings between. The. Between the past and everything. else, because you could see the. past, but you could never reach it. again. And I think but that wouldn't have. been apparent right at the time, you know, that wouldn't have been a. part. And even as the men were. dying. It was not the. You know, it was. My wife's great grandfather whose. picture is right over there, wrote a. book about it, his service in. France. And I've read it. Pretty great book. And it's the most cheerful book ever. written, you know, sort of like. he was a, you know, successful guy. in the United States, one over there.

and fight for something, you know, understand what he's fighting for. you is a good move the whole time. Know. Yeah. I think at some point, at some. point, again in the same time frame, you're talking about Second World. War, thereafter, I think the world. fell finally into the grip of. the banks. It fell finally into the grip of. those unelected, unaccountable, for profit. Groups for whom. Everything was only about. money, money and power.

And and for them, they became. anywheres at that point. They didn't care about. They didn't care about Britain, didn't care about America. They just cared about money. You know, and I think I think that. has been, has been I think we lost. in the, in that slow. Motion. Consequence of. the 20th century or the first. half of the 20th century. That all of. All of what had been. Before.

That kind of love of country, that. kind of patriotism, that that kind of identity. I think that was. Unmoored. Unhitched at that. point. And something very large and. slow moving just began to drift. like a great liner. That, you know. Was no longer on. its safe Anchorage. And it's just. And it's only. And it's only now. that without kind of 20, 2020 version of hindsight, that. we're able to look back and see that.

that happened. When was the last time Britain had a. leader who believes the country. was more important than the banks? Well, you probably. you probably have. To go back to pre 1694. and the and the establishment of the. Bank of England. I mean that's when the Bank of. England was, was set up and that's. and that's that became the model. for. The fed. In in 1913. And you know the the creature of. Jekyll Island and.

I think and but then. where do you start? You know, the. City of London was established by, you know, at the time of William the. Conqueror, of course. And there's a state. Within a state. That's like the Vatican. It's a it's a separate entity. You know, people don't you don't. fully appreciate the extent to which. the City of London. is not Britain. It's, it's. A, it's a separate it's a separate. single. It's one police force. The monarch has to seek permission. to enter the City of London.

There's a there's a nominated person. in Parliament, the city, the city. Remembrance, sir. Most people don't notice who's there. all the time to make sure that. The the, the unique. rights. Of the City of London are maintained. and not compromised by any. subsequent legislation. You know, so there's there's been a. long period of that. So to get back. to a time before the banks of. thrall. You'd have to. Be before the banks were given, the Bank of England was given that. magical power to create. Fiat money.

That's when all the you know. That that's when the trouble. started. You know about the Bradbury. Pound. That's a no. The great story. Well, you know, about, you know, the, would you call. it the, Abe Lincoln had. constitutional script, the. greenbacks. Yes. During the Civil War, obviously. You know, to get himself out of a. financial hole. Well, the Bradbury Pound came about. in 1914. because there was a run on the Banks. War. Had war. War was declared and people. panic and and people.

would go into the banks with the. bits of paper, the big bank notes. I promised to pay the bearer on. demand the sum of 5 pounds. 10.5. And in those days you could. actually get that transformed into. gold. You you. Could get the commensurate the. you know, the relevant that. Goal the transfer had value. And and so the banks had a run. on you know, the the close. the banks. But there. was an extended bank holiday. The, the, the bank went scuttling. to the Treasury. David Lloyd George was the that.

was the, was the. was was that was the person they. sought out. The the Treasury. The government must have had an. inkling that it was happening. because within within three. Days. Legislation was rushed through. Parliament. So they must have had. something kind of ready to go. And they created Treasury notes. And the first Lord of the Treasury. was a man called, I think it was. John Bradbury. Bradbury, anyway. And he his signature. was on these notes, and they became. the nickname was the Bradbury.

Pounds. And so the banks reopened. The people were still queuing up, wanting to transfer their bank, bank. notes into gold. They were. Persuaded to take these Treasury. Notes instead. And people said, well, what's the. value of these? And they were they were debt free. and interest free, and. they were underwritten by the. the notional value of. Britain. The everything that Britain was. owed is its creativity, its people, its labor force, its everything.

That's what underwrote the. Bradbury Pound. And for whatever. Reason, people accepted it. Okay, I'll take these Bradbury. pounds. I'll take these Treasury, not bank. notes. Treasury notes. Interest free. Debt free. And that got that that that saved. the day. The run on the bank was averted. Now, almost at once, the banks. Said, realized we can't. have this. This is debt free, interest free. mode of exchange.

What's in it for us? And so very quickly. They went back to the government, said, withdraw these Bradbury. pounds. Let's go back to the old days. We'll buy. Government bonds. We'll give you banknotes. We'll call it 3%. 3% interest. Sound fair? The Bradbury. Pounds were. I think the last one. actually didn't come out of circulation. until maybe in the belief, but many years later, I can't. remember exactly when the last one. came out of circulation. Britain's national debt.

in 1914. Before the war, was about 650. million pounds. By 1918. it was 7.5 billion. Because the bankers had regained. control. But but. for a moment. For a moment. With the with the advent of. This debt free, interest. free Treasury note underwritten. by the notional or real value. of Britain. There was a, there was a, there was.

a currency went out into general. circulation that could have changed. everything. Imagine if people imagine if the. banks had been disempowered because. they didn't have the power of debt. They didn't have the power of but. usually interest, whatever you want. to call it. But they they realized we're not. having this. So having been out of the whole of. the run on the gold, the, the the Bradbury pens were. taken away. Nobody noticed. There's a war on and the national. debt that began its begun. its cycling upwards. Crypto be a Bradbury. pound.

Well. I get. I host, I seek to host. conversations about brought about. about Bitcoin and. crypto. From time to time, I'll, I'll make no bones about it. I'm not. I'm not really sure that a. properly I'm in an. expert in a position to see whether. I think it's the freedom of humanity. or not. I hear very strong voices on. either side. People say it's a Ponzi. scheme and a coin and don't go near. it. Other people say, no, this is. the foundation upon which we will. rebuild society.

And somewhere between those two. polar, extremes. must lie. That must lie the truth. I think, I think, I think there. are elements about it. Distributed ledger, blockchain. I think somewhere within there there. are profound solutions because. I have asked and, and had. A vague yes. Whether or not you could use the. blockchain protocol. to have I see a news. channel.

That. Couldn't be shut down. because it's peer to, you know, the. currency exchange with Bitcoin is. peer to peer, person to person, without interest, without the. antecedents of a bank. And hypothetically they say, yes, you could, you could, you. Could distribute information. You could you. Could transact Bitcoin. essentially as a transaction of. information. So therefore you could. hypothetically you could exchange. news. You could in that way. And the people couldn't. the baddies couldn't get at it. hypothetically.

So the, the the cryptocurrency. or bitcoin and blockchain interests. me for that reason. And and and I. although I listen to very strong. voices saying don't go anywhere near. bitcoin it's been hacked at all. The banks have got control of it and. so on and so on. I think somewhere within that. thinking there might. be a. There might be some of the answer. How long till you get pulled off the. air? Oh. Oh, I don't know. I do genuinely when?

When, when? If you're living in a country that. is trying to criminalize. conversations at your dinner table. between you and your kids, send you. to prison for seven years for having. the wrong opinions? I think I think, it's a bold, not me. I mean, I'm a I'm a small fry in. these things, but, you know, I'm a. minnow in swimming in these waters. But nonetheless, these are. Bold moves. Because I think. the people that are. Seeking the control with. everything, with digital currency,

with with digital IDs, with all. of it. Are. Are cowardly, frightened. people. I think we're dealing with I think. we have created an ecosystem. that has enabled to thrive. the most frightened, psychopathic, parasitic carcass, the. Cratic leadership. the. World has yet seen. We have created the conditions for. them. And it's we've got to take. responsibility for the fact that. they are our fault. You know, you get. The government you deserve. That's true.

So we we can't wash our hands of it. Nonetheless, I think they're scared. Very, very, very frightened people. And what they're most frightened of. is everyone else. They're probably frightened of each. other. And I think there's a line. Do they want do they have the. Will they cross it and do the. work that would be required? They're operating at one. remove from really hurting. people physically. Really going the lengths of.

throwing people into, you know, gulags and. concentration camps. I'm not there yet. And, you know, are they. Are they ready? Do they have the backbone to. actually start? Not so many people like me, but, you. know, bigger fish. Are they really going to do that? I don't know if they've really got. it in them. As long as people are. Proposing jail time for people who. criticize them, that suggests they. do have it in. Them. Let's see what actually. happens. I think some of it is, I think some of it is, is.

is brinkmanship and. I'm not I'm not persuaded that. they've got the, the cajones. to, to be the authoritarians that. they fantasize about being. Well, I mean, it depends on. circumstance, right. I mean, they once the. virus, intentionally or not, got. out of the lab in Wuhan, the Covid virus, then, you know, they moved. immediately to institute. totalitarian rule. That will happen again. They're still doing gain of function.

research, as you well know. But don't you don't you think there. Will be a real virus that escapes? I don't think they will. I don't. think so. I'm not sure there ever. was anything. I don't think that I'm not persuaded. that there ever was anything novel. Called. Covid. I'm not. Covid came and influenza. vanished. But really now. all the people that were traditionally. tens of in the tens or hundreds of. thousands every winter would die of. the flu. Yes. Nobody's dying of flu. You know what this is? No Covid. That's kind of. Convenient.

So I'm not I'm not entirely sure. there was anything new. There was no pandemic. You know, the average. Age of death was 82, 83, which is. beyond life expectancy. You know, you look at the stats, the. official government stats for a. country like Germany, in, in in 19 and 2019, 2020, hospital. bed occupancy was at an all time. low. There was nothing clinically. observable. That. Would have given any clinician any. cause for alarm. In terms of what? Dealing with something here. People are dropping like flies. It simply wasn't. You have a lot of friends who died.

of Covid. No, I don't know anyone. Who died of. Covid. What do you. Mean? I don't know anyone. I don't know anyone. Millions and millions and millions. Why not? No one connected to me. None of my people died of Covid. But I know plenty of people have. died subsequently. Of heart attacks. and. Or stroke or. All the other things that, you know, that happened. Once that. Do you know anyone who. knows anyone who's died of Covid? Well, I must do, I. must, I must do. I can't think of anyone, but I do. not know anyone who died of Covid. It is kind of. Crazy, if you think about it. It's like, I don't, I don't. I don't I don't know that I'm not. persuaded that there was anything.

new circulating. It may have been, but it doesn't. matter. Even if there was, the. the facts remain. The data makes clear. that. There was no the people weren't. dying in large numbers before. Well, not for the ruler of the. jobs. But in 2019, 2020, there was. nothing. There was nothing to see. here. What we ended up with was a pandemic. of testing, with. the misapplication of PCR tests. that were never designed, according. to the designer, to be used as. diagnostic tools. The forensic, they're not.

diagnostic. Everything about it was hinky. The whole thing was obviously. the they simply. Took an opportunity to do something. that they were planning to do. anyway, which was. To use a. Pandemic to seize control. of. People's. Freedom and and their money biggest, the biggest transfer of wealth in. history. Job done. All of that was achieved. But what if we had a pandemic of. anything? It was a pandemic of. propaganda, a pandemic of lies, and a pandemic of testing.

That's it. Well, it is pretty remarkable that. for a pandemic that. supposedly killed 10 million people. or whatever the number they're. assigning, you don't know anyone who. died from it, only people who died. from the vaccine. That is absolutely true in my case, too. And in fact, I don't know. anyone who knows anyone who died of. it. I possibly don't I that I just. couldn't quite as well, but that's. pretty. I mean, we're both in our 50s, sort. of know a lot of people. You don't know anybody who died of. Covid. I know, know a number of. people who died or injured from the. fact. So,

but at some point, I mean, the. Spanish flu was real and millions. people died. Well, including. relatives of ours. Let's let's revisit that. I mean, the. lies. Damned license statistics. I mean, numbers are always. problematic. Yes. When I was at school, when I. was at school, and I studied. history at school, I remember. being told that Stalin said that, for 4 million Russians, the Soviet had died. conquering Germany, beating Germany. Yeah. It's now routinely quoted as 20.

Yes. So the number numbers, just whatever. the numbers are, they go up. And so likewise with the Spanish. flu, you. know. No, I read sometimes that. maybe 200, maybe more. 200 million people died of Spanish. flu. But the number keeps going. up with the passage of time. And there's there's quite. There are grounds for thinking that. people died of was aspirin. Overdose because aspirin. was very new. At the time of the Spanish flu. pandemic. And the doctors or the or.

the medical, establishment, they kind of knew they had their. hands on a, on a useful drug, but they hadn't worked out the. dosage, they didn't know how. best to administer it and what. level. And people were. Literally. Eating handfuls of aspirin. Seriously, they were taking handfuls. of aspirin. And people when they were dying of. Spanish flu. Their symptoms are not what you. would expect from flu influenza. People were had bloody. froth at their noses. Yes, the mouths bluing of the lips,

which is symptomatic of oxygen. starvation. And but those are symptoms of. aspirin overdose. Aspirin overdose will cause your. blood to have less oxygen in it. Hence the the blurring of lips. and and then the damage to lungs. What are you listening to? That's. true. And then. And then the time never heard. And then the damage to lungs will. create. This will create this. frothing. Now people were dying. of, well, people were dying, but this photo from. from 1914, 1918. and and given the complication of.

the misuse on a. Colossal scale. Of ash and it's interesting, the. parallel, doctors. were encouraged to push aspirin on. the patients, you know, and they were and they were in. league with government and and. physicians were all working together. with big pharma. To push aspirin. As the wonder cure, as the wonder. treatment. And you've got well, you end up. with, with many, many dead. Unlike a sea that lies don't license. statistics. It's hard to know how. many people died, you know.

But a lot of people died. But then sometimes a lot of. people die with. With with an influenza. But but the way that things got. out of control. You've got this. Complicating factor of people. eating fistfuls of aspirin. And it was. Cheap. People could get the hands on, they. could get the hands on it. So it's hard to know if people were. dying of influenza. or if they were dying of, aspirin. overdose. That's an amazing. Story. So.

So the Spanish flu pandemic. is always quoted as the pandemic. that's happened before it will. happen again. Well. Let's let's let's revisit. what. Let's let's find out. Let's have a clear eyed view of. exactly what did happen. Knowing that and turning down the. vaccine and successfully fending. off the attempts to inject your kids. with with whatever that was. MRNA vax. Where how wary. are you of taking any drugs? What's your most powerful adjective? Tucker.

I. Worry, I worry about. You know, I lie in bed and I think, God, what would I do if I was. injured and I. Needed a blood. Transfusion? Or if I. Or if I needed, injections or whatever? How confident would I be of what was. in the injections? I could be being told one thing and. and the reality being another. And it might not even be the full or. the or the or the action of the. person administering it. Right. That's right. What exactly is in the. vial? Oh, well, it's.

I worry about I worry about. exactly. Because, you know, clearly. the AstraZeneca product, which. was not an MRI, any. adenoviral, yada yada. different, the. EMA that's been thrown under the. bus, but the many. products are still there. Pfizer, Moderna. And we know that my government. have invested hugely in marine. technology. This is going to be the platform.

for, you know, for the future. of all sorts pharmaceuticals, you know, included. So I'm very, very anxious about. what's going to be out there. And if I as I see if I, if I. required, as I'm sure will and. you know, between knowing, you know, popping my clogs, I'll need I'll need medical. intervention and I would be. I would be, I would be anxious. And I tell you, I've traveled. extensively, as have you. And in the years before I've had.

every single one, and I've had bad. reactions to things. I remember. being really very unwell after. my yellow fever. Me too. I was a, you know, typhoid. Yeah. No, to the. Point where I. Thought I was away. I was away from home. When the. effects of it started me, I thought, oh my God, I'm not sure I'm going to. go to work. This is dire. So I've had, you. Know, I've had my stories to tell. about, but I've had everything. I've had Japanese encephalitis. jabs and. This and that. So you name it. I was unenthusiastic, you know. Typical. Yeah. You just show up at the doctor. before heading down or wherever.

and they get good. I thought I lost him, I thought. I thought vaccination was the was. the way to go. And then of course, they were unable. to apply these products by changing. the definition of vaccine. So the mRNA technology. specifically. Is a I don't want that anywhere near. me. Well, of course not. But one of the things when the. conspiracy theorist started talking. about these drugs, you know, really at the end of 2020, early 2021, they said, well, they could breach the blood brain.

barrier and they could change. people permanently. With the gene therapies. Exactly what used to be that you. weren't allowed to see that. I was putting that in monologues and. having it taken out, but now I can. see it because. It's literally true. And they admit that it is. It is gene therapy m RNA. Imagine if they had gone it to the. general population in 2020. and said, we've got an experimental. product. It will have some sort of effect on. your DNA, but we can't honestly. tell. You. How much. If any, it's not.

safe because. Previously pharmaceutical would. never by their own, by their own. industry standards, they would not. have applied. The word safe to. cream. That you put in a baby's bottom for. nappy. Rash. That's right. You can't call it safe. So that's a dangerous word. Safe? Effective. No. They knew going out that it wouldn't. stop transmission because they. hadn't tested to see it would stop. transmission. So the safe and. effective. And take this not for. you, but to make sure you don't kill. loved ones. Was a lie. That was that was lie after lie.

after lie. And and it was only. we knew all this. It was only. released under emergency use. authorization, probably involving the DoD rather. than Big Pharma in any meaningful. sense. They knew going in that there would. be an adverse reaction for every 800. doses of every 100 dose. would see an adverse reaction. They got pages and pages of what the. adverse reactions were going to be. that Pfizer tried. To bury. For 75 years, but, you know, wasn't able to do.

We were lied to and lied. to and lied to us. And it was it was almost. it was all people. Were almost being thrown in jail. for knowing and seeing that it was. like. Well, and they in Australia, they. were. But the question is why? And any sort of wonder like. if you did, does it change your. DNA? Do you notice a difference. in people who took it? Well, we'll find out because. the biggest, the biggest test, the biggest human test in history. has been carried.

Over to know. That's right. We're waiting for the results now. But what do you think? What's your instinct? You were right. Before. Well, I listened. very early. On to the likes of, the German Thai doctor. Suture up Baghdadi, I think his. name. And he was he frightened the living. daylights out of me three, four years ago. And he was seeing then anyone. of anyone applying at any. Anyone putting a product that is. into people is taking part in the. biggest crime against humanity.

in the history of humanity. And and for the sake of your honor, for the sake of your family. name. You must walk away. from having anything to do with. applying this product to anyone. You must. Because if you if you if. you do this, you will be taking part. in the biggest crime against. humanity. I'm just thinking, oh my God, who is. this guy? But there was something very. impressive. He was a credentialed, serious. clinician research, you know, scientist person thought, but why would he be? Why would he be saying these things?

He must have reasons for saying. these things. And so. He he was very early. On saying, this is gene therapy. This is going this could change. the DNA. Of the cells in people's bodies. And what we already think we're. seeing that happening. And human behavior changed after. the VAX, the inoculation campaign. I mean, it did change. Human. behavior changed. People started living differently, their attitudes changed. And what do you think? People have been modified already? Yes, I do, I know evidence.

for that. Other than what I see. And specifically, how is it. manifest. That people seem much more compliant. actually, and I think they seem. broken now. How do you know, disaggregate all. the different factors is is beyond. my capability. I'm not God, I don't. know. But, you know, being locked. in doors for a year, you. know, bereft of human contact. And, you know, there are lots of different. factors. Drinking and drug use went. way up. Screen time went way up. But there's no denying. that people change the way they. lived in. Their attitudes really.

changed. And if you have a drug. that could potentially change. people's DNA, and I think there's evidence that it. can I mean, it can, why wouldn't you see changes in. behavior? Well. I again, I say I. would simply I would just. I we'll see. We will. We will see. But when it comes to. Weapons, that's the biggest thing. that's ever happened in. You. This is the. Biggest thing that's ever happened. in human. It would be the biggest. crime against against humanity. in terms of changed behavior. I think you also yes, I believe.

I absolutely accept that that. we may well be seeing genetic. change. But people that part of. our conversation earlier that that. thing about a. Test, a. Sorting of people. in a fairly binary. Choice to. to find out that you were the, the biggest test of humanity. Wrong. The big, the big one. Here's the one. You don't know it's. coming. But it turned out that that.

was the test. And to know that you ought. to suspect. I'm. I'm pretty sure I called that. wrong. I did that I. And people have seen that in. themselves. And that's a lot to live. with. You know if you if you I don't know. Let's see. You're lying in your bed at night. Finally asleep. Mum and dad for three. full kids and the smoke alarm goes. off. And as dad, you suddenly find yourself standing. out in the street, having fled.

the house. Before. Even before you even had. time to think. You realize that your instinct. It turns out it's a false alarm. anyway. There's nothing to worry about. But nonetheless, imagine how. And then you go back in the house. That. you didn't come for us. You run out into the street and we. were still in the house with the. smoke. That's the kind of. Analogy I would. Draw. So yes, people. Me. Maybe the irony component. of what happened.

We'd all to people. But I think. people are altered by. self-realization, which is a pretty. powerful drive. I completely agree with that. And by the way, in a society that. literally sends women to war to. defend us. I mean, it's like so degraded. at this point. The concept of honor. is sort of missing. I mean, the male survivors of the. Titanic live with shame. Of course, you know, you're a man. How did you survive that? Like women drown in your. You lived, like. Really? But I think we've lost touch with a. lot of that. But that is a feature. of of nature,

of the natural law that you referred. to earlier. And so it's real whether. we acknowledge it or not. And I, you know, guys who were raped. in prison are referred to as. bitches. You know what I mean? There's. something once you submit or allow. yourself to be treated as. something less than human, it it. it changes you. And of course, being forced to take. a drug into your body whose. effects you don't know that you. don't want is an act of. of true submit is like getting. raped. It's it's profound. I mean, we know it is. You know. The, you know, Freud and the. archetypes and and the and.

the hero journey. I mean, all these. things that we know about the, the. are the, you know, the of the basis. for, for so much of our. understanding of the human psyche, you know, that every, every man and. every person, let's say, about every. man you know, is supposed to. go down into the belly of the. Beast. And, you know, in pursuit of. the lost father and. rescued, much like Pinocchio does in. The Whale couldn't get to Jupiter to. back out and becomes a real boy. You know that. That's the hero's. journey. And. We know.

what we're supposed to do. That will be in order to. In order to justify our. our three score and ten in. this in this. Incarnated. Moment in time. We'll, we'll. We should go in the hero's journey. and, and emerge as, as, as fathers in our own right, able to fulfill. that rule. We know that that's the hero's. journey. And it's. It's it's right there. Woven into it. It's in everyone's. It's in the DNA. And and to have had your shot.

and not not going. into the belly of the beast in. pursuit of, you know, you're. taking up your. You've emasculated a lot of the. population. So whether or not the genetics. have been altered, which they may. have been, that kind of. self-realization is a damned hard. bullet to chew. So does it strike you that. what you the way that you. think about people, is influenced by Freud.

and by people who think about human. behavior in non-chemical terms and. in moral, spiritual terms, that whole way of thinking has kind. of disappeared. I mean, that was a feature of our. childhoods where people would say, well, you have unresolved issues, guilt, whatever. You didn't live up to your own. standards. You take that with you. now. It's like you've got a chemical. imbalance. Like we can't even. I don't think people can even. analyze human behavior in those. terms. I think it's part and parcel of an. anti-human agenda. Yes. That what has been done. fundamentally is anti-human,

and it's being done to. To people who see. no. Inherent. They don't know what it means to be. human and alive. And and therefore they can be. casual and contemptuous. of people. in a count of billions. Because we have because they have. got away from the the sovereign. human being. That's right. And what it what. it means, you know, we don't. we don't have we've.

Barely, barely floated. A dugout canoe onto the Pacific. Ocean or the unknown as. the human consciousness. But and then and but. We've already got. The, the transhumanists, not the transgender or the. Transhumanists who are already. Preaching that the human being, Mark. one is sub. optimal and needs an upgrade. Via. You know, technology. You know, they want to they want to. blend humans with tech.

digitized, you know, ersatz human beings because. the time of the biological human. is partly over. But that is a that's a product of. Of. The wrong kind of. People. Not even asking what it. means to. Be human and alive. Right? Well, it's a rebellion against God. to I mean, if, you know, as. Christian, certainly. But I think. Muslims and Jews also certainly. Jews do believe that. human beings were created in God's. image. You know, to deface that image.

is to attack God, right? And to change, to declare. people inherently inadequate. You know, that's a. That's. A theological concept. It's it's bound up with. Many, as I see, it's going to be. 100. Years or more. But, you know, obviously you like. in, in 1968, Paul Ehrlich wrote the population. here and at the same time actually. got it hard and wrote The Tragedy. of the Commons. Yes. And they both speculated about. the basic crappiness and rubbishing. this of people in large numbers.

You know, they'll just make a mess. of everything. And it was that return of that new. Malthusian approach to. people. There's too many of them, and they're not worth having anyway. So this is going to be the ending. overs, and the predictions of Erlich. and so on were wrong. You got it completely wrong. And we, I, I talk to people. I interview people all the time who. are seeing. And you'll be across this. That. Birthrates are plummeting. across. The West. It's not just in the West. Japan is poised to disappear.

in 100 years. The same as, you know, Japanese people, right? So it's not even a Western. phenomenon. Swathes of of. populations are not producing. enough people to keep themselves. going. It's true in Britain and. France, all across Europe. It's true in America. It's really bad. In America. People are having like 1.4, 1.5. children on average, which is not. enough to sustain. No. And so and people are not. appreciating that they are sitting. in the, in the cheap seats on a. plane that is in a tailspin. that may not, may not be possible.

Even if you could get to the. controls to pull the plane back into. level flight, it may have may have. gone beyond that point. And so and. You've got that information out. there at the same time as people. like Bill gates. And others are saying, we've. Got to check the human population, we've got too many people. And in a in 100 years time, there's going to be anybody here. Well, I'm. Being I'm using hyperbole, but. Populations are in steep. Decline. And it's the explanations for. are existential.

You know, it has to do with with. maybe possibly falling fertility and. God knows what we've done to. fertility with these products that. we've jammed into several billion. people. We'll see. We'll see what the fertility. consequences of all that are in due. course. I think we know. I think we know, but but in any. event, there's also people delaying. having children. And then when in so. many women, when they when they do. reach a point where they do want to. have children, they've known that. maybe their mid 30s, the late 30s, the relevant partner is not there. at the right time. And so the mess.

that there's also there's all sorts. of existential reasons, societal reasons for the for. the plummeting. But they got to work at a consulting. firm. But what we see ensuing years, that's not enough. But what I'm seeing is that we know. this, and yet the Malthusian. Are still out there. Banging the drum for fewer people. We can't get rid of people fast. enough. They can't quickly enough. deter people from. having more people. Isn't that genocide? Like, isn't that what that is? Yeah, it's anti species.

And again and again again. It's it's coming down to people I. think you you don't you're not. properly invested in the future. and they're certainly not invested. in the future of humankind. They're not, they're not, they're. not giving. They're they're not. giving. They're the the last measure. of devotion to reaching a level. eight. So we there's a football player. You probably haven't follow this. But in the United States, the kicker. who gave a college commencement. speech the other day and in it. he said, I did it. And I watched that this morning. Well. By chance we watched it online.

They're deeply steeped in the. politics of United States. But then you saw how moderate it. was. You take it out as you grow. older. You might want to like, have. kids, because that's a source. of enduring joy and. all these politicians and cultural. figures. And I still can't remember. that chick's name, but Taylor Swift, some sort of fake entertainer, gets. out there and, you know, denounces. the guy is. As a Neanderthal and as evil, because he suggests that having. children may be more rewarding.

than your stupid career. Like, what does that imply? Like, why would you be mad at. someone for encouraging young people. to have children? Like, that's very. weird to me. I was listening to I was listening. to a Jordan Peterson years ago. I mean, I'm not claiming that as a. badge of honor. I just I was way. before everything that's happening. at the moment, I, I came across some. years and years ago, I think it was. courtesy of, you know, the. Joe Rogan Experience. He was part of that, the. intellectual dark web. Remember the Sam Harris, Brett and Heather, Brett Weinstein, Heather Heyer and Jordan Peterson.

And so and I remember being. Really very. Profoundly struck by a lot of the. things that, that Peterson. had to say about children and. parenthood. And, for example, I really remember. I'm saying that, you know, so many. people say they don't want to have a. baby because it's going to interfere. with a lifestyle. And he said, I. really have to ask, what kind. Of lifestyle is it that you can't. take a baby with you? And I thought, yeah, because we. tried. And I went from we had our first and. then with. Three, the oldest came.

with us. Yes. Which, which is more. There were just. Then about two of them and then the. three of them, and they just went. everywhere. We just. it didn't impinge on anything. And obviously it goes without saying. that it made our lives. But by but by. Inexpressible orders of magnitude. richer and and. yet, you know, but the abiding. message out there is that, oh, no, there's better things to do than be. Families. I that's anti-human at the, at the. base level. Well, so then I want to ask you just.

finally about one of the great. trends in the West. And it is only in the West. Is the climate hysteria. How do you assess that? That seems part of. this larger whole. It's a hoax. It's a hoax. In what sense. in the. Well it's multi it's multifaceted. a the the climate. is changing because that's what the. climate does. Yeah. Whether you know. the climate change we. Did have glaciers at one point.

Yeah. we when they started, when they. started measuring temperature, we. were just coming out of the little. Ice Age. Yes. Which had lasted for hundreds of. years. And temperatures were as low. on planet Earth as they'd been for. thousands of years at that point. So when it comes to measuring. temperature, there was only really. one way, unless we were going to go. extinct or go straight into another. full ice age, there was only one way. for the temperatures to go, which. was up. And so the fact that there has been. sustained. Increase in temperature, well, it. would be because it was coming from. the bottom of the well. And. The only way was up.

Also. It's used to be accepted, the accepted fact that. Increasing carbon dioxide. follows a rise in temperature. It doesn't cause it. Right. As the. World gets warmer, there is. a there's a kind of a several. hundred. Year lag. And then there's more carbon dioxide. in the atmosphere as a consequence. of that warming. And so to, to to tell people. that carbon dioxide. Is. Causing the increase in temperature.

would be like seeing a horse and. cart on a route. From space and imagining. that the cart was pushing the horse. because you could see it moving. That would be how wrong you are. It's the horse pulling the car. and likewise CO2. There's more of it once the planet's. warmer by. I think it's 800 years. is the lag. So there are all sorts of reasons. for, being aware that this way in which. people have being frightened into. thinking that there's a catastrophic. apocalypse coming because they've.

got gas central heating and they. drive fossil fuel cars is a hoax. There's a big, complicated picture. to do. With the the. The climate changing. Used to be called. In the 70s. I remember the. documentary with Leonard Nimoy very. well, talking about, you know, we're. going into an ice age. That was just. the 70s, and then it became. global warming. But then, because that isn't holding. up, it's become climate change. Well, yeah. Of course, climate changes. And then at any event.

What's what's been done in in. response to it is. is not green and it's anti-human. You know, as advocates of fossil. Fuel, see if we are. if we are, let's see. We are going into a time of of. climate uncertainty and instability. That would be the very time you. wouldn't want to deal with the. ability to cheaply and readily. heat homes or your condition them. That. Would be. True as appropriate. I mean, if if something's going to. happen, this would be the you know, you do not throw away your matches, you know, at the time would.

you might need to light a fire. and, and also the, you know, the wind turbines that now. are at the end of the life cycle and. not just being landfilled. These vast unrecyclable. plastic. Things are just being buried in the. ground. They're being made. In. In any event, using fossil. fuels, they can't be. recycled. Electric cars. That's just a means to to get people. out of the cars and and. back onto, I don't know, horses. Or or. Or shanks is pony or whatever.

So it's not it's not green. What is being done? The the planet. We're making a mess. You know, look what happens in the. extraction of the the lithium. and other rare earth metals are. required for electric. batteries. Look at the the child slavery. that that entails. Look at the look at. The scarification of the planet. that's involved in the extraction of. those things, the destruction of. ecosystems and habitats in pursuit. of green energy. Really? Seriously.

And the one, you know, the one clean. green energy that is available, which is nuclear, is strictly. verboten. Because, well. But because we've been told that you. can't have nuclear energy. So in Europe, you've seen a spate. of, climate cultists destroying. medieval art. You know, it's never modern art. It's always Christian art. But I've noticed. But, but they've. gone into museums and spray painted. or paintings. I don't think you've seen any. vandalism of private planes. at all. So if you believe in the. kind of schematic, if you believe in. the story of climate change.

as an existential threat. You know, the first thing you would. do is get rid of private air travel, but that doesn't occur to anybody. I don't understand, like, what is. that? What are we watching? Well, you've got that. You've got that bizarre situation. where the the rich at the World. Economic Forum in Davos and other. places are openly saying that. because of carbon credits, as rich. people will buy the carbon credits. of poor people that can't afford to. go on holiday anyway, and that will. offset our private jets and. private yours. You're not using your carbon credits.

anyway, because you can barely. afford to feed yourself or your. family. So you're definitely not. going on holiday this year. So I'll. I'll, I'll I'll take your credit, your carbon credits off your hand. and I'll, I'll use that to. legitimize my the. perpetuation of my luxurious. lifestyle. You know, the hypocrisy of it, the. rubbing of people's noses. In it is off the scale. And again, it's anti-human. If if for one. of the kind of farming techniques. and the and the and the fertilizers. That we have,

there's very good. Reason for thinking that half the. world's population will starve to. death for one. of the kind of fertilizers that are. made from oil. You know, so the just stop oil. So you're going to see famine. So I don't think there's any doubt. about that soon. And when that happens, you know, will people blame each. other as they've been instructed to. do, or will they finally figure out. that this is all manufactured? I think again, being, being. being absolutely it being an. inalienable. Responsibility to be positive.

I would have to answer yes to that. question that. Most people do. Well, I can see for when I see it. Now, and I didn't used to. So I've added to the count by one. and Trudy sees it. And she didn't used to. So that's. two. And our kids do. So that's five. You know. So just in my. circle, I'm seeing people waking up. on a very personal level. So so yes, I do. I do think that the enough. people are seeing. The. The way in which. We are being played. We are being an attempt, a.

galactic scale attempt. to pull the wool over our eyes. This is going on. And. More and more people are seeing it, and they're seeing that people are. being uprooted from. Their. Their homelands and have been for. generations. They're turning up where the, you know. Maybe oughtn't to be. And instead of people. Im, you know, pausing for a moment to think, why. is this disruption happening?

They just get angry with the victims. of it. And I'm not saying I'm not something. I'm sure that are. I'm sure that are. bad lads and and criminals. And I'm absolutely the sort of. people of whatever treatment color. that you wouldn't want in your communities. I think I get that, absolutely. But they. Wouldn't be here if the governments. and NGOs hadn't brought. In. But the bigger picture is, I. mean, look at the you know, they're. building a bridge in the Dorian. Gap to make it easier. For the NGOs and the W.H.O. and the UN and the rest of them to. To drive people. Into the United. States from the South.

If you can either. see. I'm seeing it and. more and more people are seeing and. all it, all it really takes is for. people to realize that the trouble. is not beside you, it's above you, and there's not. It's not a big it's not a big group. And actually the techniques are old, worn out and transparent. from overseas. And, you know, there's nothing to. fear. But. The fear. This all I would say. I can't believe that I am.

more pessimistic than a Scot. Well, you've. Probably got Scottish genes. I do. But there's no, that's a zero sum. Game, Tucker. You can't. You've got to be. You've got to. You've got to. It's like. It's like taking your. castor oil. It's like taking your. You've got to. You've got to be. optimistic. Because it's. Your. It's your obligation. It's nothing less than your. obligation to force. yourself to be optimists. That you can't. You cannot go to the to.

the dark side until it's all over. In which case it won't matter. anyway. But I don't think, I. don't think so. Neil Oliver. Thank you for that. I appreciate it. Thank you Tucker. Carlson.