Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman

um thank you very much for joining us so. my son I owe this to him well this is a. remarkable story um so we were connected. by someone we both know um I had. followed this casually in the media I. didn't know what to make of it um your. son died in November um you. commissioned um an examination by a. forensic pathologist independent. forensic pathologist called uh Dr denes. R I have it right here accompanied by. photographs that you took and um I don't.

think any honest person looking at this. would conclude this was a. suicide um there's an awful lot of. evidence that it was and I was actually. shocked by it uh so I want to get into. the details of what may have happened. but I'd like to start if you don't mind. um by hearing about your son who was he. um how old was he what did he do what. was he like sh so was a prodigy from. birth we knew he was gifted and for. leaving he studied his uh Master's.

Bachelor's in computer science from UC. Berkeley the top school he had 4.0 GPA. throughout as soon as he graduated he. started working in open AI as a. researcher AI researcher his first. project was web GPD for which a fresh. graduate he took the lead role and that. web GPT turned out into be chap GPT an. application yes one this was uh a. publication of of four people one of. them is s.

following this he worked at open AI for. pre-training data that means he was. scooping up all the internet data. feeding to Chad gpt's AI. model following this he worked which. which is the fuel that it runs on it. needs massive amounts of data in order. to become what it is right that's the. yes it's an AI model and for the AI. model there need to be data fed and this. data is what everybody is saying as. copyright data that's all the lawsuits.

are against yes he was involved in. fueling the data feing he was directly. involved in that part of the business. yes he knows inside out yes following. that he worked directly on the Chad GPD. application team itself under John. Schuman in this team he was vital his. former boss John claims that his role. was vital in Chad GPT team and he did. some kind of tuning and optimization. made it very efficient it's a. significant contribution ution but the I.

is he was never acknowledged by open Ai. and even after he left open AI his after. his death also no one has acknowledged. him prior to joining open AI he was so. qualified he was National Champion 2016. for computing Olympiad that means he was. a top programmer of. 2016 following that he went he took a. gap here at 17 he said he doesn't need a. degree right after 12th he said I don't. need a degree don't need to go to.

college he took up a job in Kora. software engineer he was hired with. $25,000 sign on bonus and a pay. equivalent to a master's or a bachelor's. holder he worked there for a year and. then he joined UC Berkeley after taking. a gap year it took a lot of effort on. parents in to persuade him to go back to. college for which he was grateful. throughout in UC Berkeley he represented. UC Berkeley for ACM ICP see inter col.

programming contest the world contest he. went to China along with his team it was. in. 2017 2018 he won $100,000 award for a. TSC competition this is for passenger. screening algorithm which TSA has. implemented today he was shining all. throughout his life prior to this at the. age of 11 uh he got um 680 in his City. and then at 4 in the paper he wrote like.

makes makes me believe he's a prodigy. that science paper is about um Quantum. Computing optimizing a. CPU and like he talks about V LSI design. that my friends claim they studied in. their masters in electronics and. Communications all these things make me. believe he's a prodigy and he's. demonstrated he had exceptional. abilities and it sounds like he did so. it's but and it sounds like from reading.

about it that he ran into trouble only. when he began to question whether or not. the data that was being fed to open AI. was. copyrighted he never raised the voice. when he was within open because he had. concerns that management will not. approve and he started to question all. these when Chad GPT became profit making. as long as it was nonprofit it was okay. he explains in his publication on si.net.

what his views are and why he believes. this is copyright violation and when he. started after reinstatement of Sam Alman. in 2023 November November 21st was the. day he got reinstated I know it so well. because it was suchi's birthday that day. he got reinstated and after that uh sui. started thinking about the copyright. violation and he did discuss with me. it's very ethical and he feels awful.

about it and I said yes it's unethical I. agree with. you what's an ethical is using. copyrighted material material owned by. other people for your business which. yeah artist work will be lost there. means of living will be impacted yes and. also he did a research and he published. like how the stack Overflow and then um. few other like maybe Kora few other. websites their traffic is reducing and.

he also made a publication in which he. explains that the answer given by Chad. GPT versus the answer given by stack. Overflow how unscientific and inaccurate. the answer is interesting yeah when did. he leave open AI he left in August of. 2024 yes third week of August third so. recently very recently um when did he. write his now famous paper about what. the management of open AI was doing with.

copyrighted. material he next day he already had made. up his mind prior leaving to leaving. open AI in fact in July he discussed. with his uh U Berkeley colleague that he. want to do a startup and his friend. express interest his name is Tyler. zoo and next day after leaving open AI. he went on interview with kennedyan news. media we didn't know anything about it. hm yeah we just found out but based on.

his call log he spoke to someone for 40. minutes after his passing we called him. and found out he was doing this and it. was next day after his last day at work. who did he speak to I'll get back to you. on the but he spoke to a reporter. Canadian news media that sued news media. kadian news media that sued open AI. interesting on October 23rd his. interview was published in New York. Times where he makes a very very open.

statement and he calls open AI violates. copyright data on October 23rd he was. quoted in the New York Times saying that. open AI violates yes copyright law yes. is stealing other people's material. yeah okay and what what day did he. die I'm sorry and what what day did he. die 202nd November but we found a body. on 26th November. so he.

um he was quoted saying that open AI was. committing crimes and a month later he. was. dead that's not just it on November 18th. New York Times named my son as custodian. witness custodian witness is very very. important he had the documents against. openi that was on 18th 22nd he just came. back from vacation from LA and Catalina. Island the same night.

they have attacked him and killed. him um tell us about what the New York. Times wrote on November 18th he had. these documents what were the documents. we need to get the documents from New. York Times it's a sealed document it's. not open for public but we need to. become like the estate administrator my. husband will be the estate administrator. end of this month then they will go and. acquire that data what documents they. were at the moment we don't have. information but you know know because. you read in the New York Times that your.

son had given. journalists papers that he says. implicated open AI in crime yes and also. on December 2nd suchir had an interview. planned with Associated Press Matt Obin. on December 2nd sui did not attend third. they called on his phone by then we had. his phone my husband took phone call and. he found out that suchir wanted to take. legal action against open AI he wanted.

to give the witness but then this news. was not out yet that suchir was a. custodian witness but we got it then all. we did was hurrying up the second. autopsy private autopsy moment we heard. that this was his initiative and he. didn't make it to do. that so to bottom line it it sounds like. your son who your only child by the way. and I'm and I'm really sorry about that. um your son was in a position to.

threaten really threaten open AI well. it's not his intent was not to threaten. he just cared about people he cared. about Humanity he writes in his article. in New York Times as well as a. publication he believes the way the AI. is currently without any regulation is a. harm to humanity he stood up for a cause. and he lost his life for a cause he's a. martyr obviously he's a mar and then he. never hesitated he took his put his life. at risk.

so the um official cause of death is. suicide um you're his mother clearly you. spoke to him a lot did you get any. indication that he was depressed no he. just came back from vacation he had a. very active lifestyle when he when we. had his memorial service many of his. friends came and they gave C the details. of when they met him and how many times. they met him after he left he was. visiting family we were going out for. dinner lunch he was fine and more than.

anything else he had concrete career. plans yes and interviews scheduled and. he had things on his to-do list. um did he ever suggest to you say to you. that he felt his life was threatened was. he. worried he had concrete plans he wanted. to do some work for Humanity that's the. last day when we spoke last conversation. with suchir in person was that he had a. non profit in mind and he didn't want to.

take the salary for his work he said Mom. I have enough resources I don't even. need to get paid I want to serve. humanity and he wanted to work in. neuroscience and machine learning. combination using that I think I've seen. on his desktop on of the project for. future of doctor visit since we haven't. unlocked his email and laptop yet we. have to discover that but we know he. discussed with me he's it's a onee plan. he said give me a onee time you'll know. everything because did he ever talk to.

you about Sam. Alman we did you ever talk to your son. about Sam mman no we refused to you. refused to we refused to talk to Sam. mman but did your son ever talk to you. about Sam Alman did he ever say anything. about Sam Alman not to me but to his. friends a lot when he was in Catalina. Islands he spoke a lot against him he. literally didn't like him in fact I've. seen his cat log saying that he wanted.

to work with an Helman in her nonprofit. work and that would be Sam's sister who. was accused him of sexual abuse. yes really he wrote that down yes so he. he knew what personality Sam Alman had. and um his main concerns were the. lies the lies lies at Sam Alman the lies. Li yeah he was lying a lot and uh my son. is very ethical and.

he he couldn't stand it so the time if. we could go to the timeline um around. your son's death so he goes to Catalina. Island with friends yes to backpack to. Camp what was he backpacking yes. November 16 to November 22nd there were. five guys who went and my son was one of. them all these are his middle school and. high school. classmates some of them were his best. buddies we spoke to every one of them. with when they came back and everyone.

gave. an image like he is upbeat he was very. happy he celebrated his 26th birthday on. 21st November the day before he died. what more do we need to give an account. of his happy mood well exactly and if. you you know at a certain age you know. people who've killed themselves and. typically you know the suicide follows a. a morose period of isolation the person. sitting alone in his apartment drinking. um he died the night he came back from a.

camping trip with his high school and. college friends yes yeah okay atorney he. came to his apartment with us and moment. he inspected uh his apartment he said he. had fresh supplies ordered he has so. many packets unopened this doesn't look. suicidal at all so um and the. photographs that you took which we'll. get to in a minute um you know I I just. want to say this is not the first time. I've been contacted by a family saying. you know our child. is ruled a suicide but we think it was a.

murder I mean many people have claimed. that I've never seen anything like this. before this is um this should I think. again to any Fair person suggests that. he was murdered uh but let's get to that. so what do you know he came back from. Catalina and if you don't mind telling. us what you know about what happened. then he comes back that evening to San. Francisco uh he came around like 11:00. he texted me his flight is taking off. that was on 22nd. and then 454 he texted saying that it's.

pouring in San. Francisco and um when he got off Uber. leing office uh manager he has. apparently seen suchir coming off with. big suitcase and other things and then. sui said yes I'm coming back from La. that's somewhere between 1 to 2:00 p.m. that day and then he spoke to Dad at. 7:15 p.m. he was very happy and Balaji. said like shall we go to see I CES in uh.

Las Vegas in January because it was. raining here Dad brought up the concept. that you know weather will be great in. January and such said yes and dad gave. him birthday gift gave him a birthday. gift birthday gift because 21st was his. birthday he said he'll send him you know. cash just a token of love and suchir. accepted. it the then that's the night he died the. day he died. so his last conversation with his father.

was what time roughly that's the last. conversation that was the last. conversation I called the next day 12:15. p.m. phone rang once and it went to. voicemail. H um when did you learn that your son. was dead that was on 26th 25th I went to. his apartment knocked on the door no one. opened I called A. dispatch unfortunately took it a day of. effort for us to get his apartment open.

25th day went and they didn't even call. me back what happened apparently they. have gone and knocked on the door they. didn't bother to open the door they just. said okay nobody's opening the door and. they went back security guard from the. apartment complex says he saw the fire. truck and the ambulance and the police. and they went back 5:30 I waited waited. and waited and 5:30 p.m. when I called. on Monday 25th they said ma'am unless. you are here we cannot open the.

door next morning Union I went to Union. City Police Station that's where we live. and filed a missing person complaint I. waited for 1 one and a half hours but. both the parents me and when we started. calling all the hospitals in San. Francisco area to see if he he may have. had an accident why he's not responding. to us what happened to him moment we. found that he was not in any of the. hospitals we took a deep breath okay. okay he's safe but when we went to his.

apartment 1:00 I went to San Francisco. and the dispatch came at. 109 until 4:00 we were not told. anything um and then you got a call from. from the city no that was not how it. went 109 two people two officers came. and they went with the leing office. manager leing manager and I'm waiting. outside they didn't allow me inside the. premises I'm waiting waiting outside the.

complex then 113 they have seen. apparently that's what the report says. they seen the body within 5 10 minutes. they came out and they told me no we. didn't enter we're waiting for two more. officers we have a security protocol we. cannot go inside around 2:00 two more. officers came but they knew your son was. dead and they lied to you they didn't. tell at what. moment H 2:00 they have a protocol I. don't blame them 2:00 two officers came.

they went inside 20 minutes they came. back and said we're waiting for two more. officers we have security protocol we. can't go inside and they said at 2:00. they said ma'am you can go back home. we'll inform you in 5 to 6 hours I said. I'm not going. anywhere they told me it's going to take. some time for the next two officers to. come I said Let It Be please give me the. phone number I'll contact them and find. out if there's any way we can expedite. it my son's safety is in question I. cannot wait any.

longer and then at 3:20 I saw a big. white man coming and my heart s. seriously so they knew as they were. speaking to you that your son was dead. but didn't tell you they didn't tell. that's. disgusting that's inhuman sorry it is it. is and you know they're asking me to go. home and how I you my son was dead is. looking at the white. van at that moment I knew ambulance. didn't come come and instead of even.

then I was optimistic okay maybe. ambulance wasn't available they sent. another van and when I just saw a. stretcher that came out I went and spoke. to the officers who are the medical. examiners they said we have a dead. person in the. apartment that's how I came to know when. we first did a deal with Black Rifle. coffee Evan the CEO sent us like a case. of coffee beans and honestly I have not. had any coffee since then in the past 8. months it's not made by Black Rifle we. are obsessed and it's not just coffee.

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mean that is I I didn't know things like. that happened that is awful it's a gated. community he had a gun with him to. protect. himself what more can be expect in. America than the it's a very reputed. apartment complex not that it's cheap or. something they have four or five units. four or five buildings I mean to say did. the officers at the scene give you any. indication of how they thought your son.

died at 4:00 they came to the leing. office and then medical examiner said he. shot himself he killed himself with a. suicide at that moment I raised to them. look my son went into New York Times. he's a whistleblower and his death. doesn't look suicide to me they just. didn't want to listen he bought a gun it. belongs to him nobody went into the. complex nobody came out he was all by. himself.

and it's a suicide and it how long it. took can you believe it 40 minutes to. investigate 4 minutes to deter determine. the date cause of death and at 4:00 they. give me the keys for the apartment and. they say you can collect the body. tomorrow like right from that moment I. see fall play proper formalities were. not followed and the next day they. release the body within 24 hours without. doing the complete autopsy they removed. the bullet they did a CT scan just.

returned the body to us then we just. checked with the funeral home and we. discussed with them and then they also. said looks like doesn't seem normal. there's something very unusual here you. should do a second private autopsy. that's the funeral home suggested that. yes and even we were thinking both of us. were also thinking funeral home also. suggested we were shattered obviously. right we were completely shattered we. just didn't know what's going on and.

seeing a son like that and they said. like his eyes are gone with the gun. wound don't see his. face we couldn't see. him but the fact that the funeral home. which of course sees dead bodies every. day said to you this doesn't look right. doesn't look like a suicide we recommend. that you get a a second autopsy real. autopsy that's amazing um actually the. weights they didn't look at the body. they didn't look at any evidence but the. way the information was given to us and.

the way the procedures and policies need. to be followed and Norms were not. followed according to them before they. received the body itself they said this. doesn't look normal and we address the. concern that it could be some fall play. here and we knew from the very moment we. heard the news we know it's not suicide. next day in the death news and I'm. Shattered by calling police calling. medical examiner Corona's office. homicide unit.

it we've done everything we can so um. tell me what you know about what's been. proven from the the CCTV from the. surveillance footage about your son's. last moments is there any evidence. anyone came in or out of the apartment. no actually uh even when our attorney. concluded it's a suicide even at that. moment I mentioned to the atorney look. there are three entrances to this. building one of them is gated it has. CCTV other two entrances don't have CCTV.

and why are we ignoring that nobody came. in nobody went out and also what we just. recently discovered is his packages are. missing his uh roommate or no his uh you. know neighbor in the apartment complex. he mentioned that in the they have a. shade package room they have a shade bin. or basket or something he seen swii. packets until December 31st he reached. out to me through Twitter on xplatform. when I tweeted he found out I'm such's.

mom and he said have you picked up. such's packages I don't see that after. January 1 those packages are missing. when we talked to that um neighbor he. said like it's very common that packages. get lost in September they received a. notification that if you see so and so. man then let us know. and that tells us a lot about the. security and you know like there's a. compromise of key there's a compromise. of entrance all of these need to be. investigated obviously when there is a.

murder so let's uh let's get to the. reason that I am anxious to do this. interview which is this um. report that you commissioned um Dr denes. R um and it contains um his analysis of. the condition of your son's body based. on an autopsy I believe and it and it. critically contains uh seven crime scene. photographs that you took in your son's. apartment is that correct that's right. there are seven evidences that were very.

critical which has not been picked up by. the authorities within 40 minutes they. concluded they haven't even picked up. critical things like a bag with blood. that has much sun saliva in it they. haven't picked that up and how could. they miss Haze falling all over from the. wig right so that's that's what I want. to get to so the two things that jump. out to me the first thing that jumps out. and it's um very obvious from the. photographs that you took is that. there's blood all over the apartment so.

the official explanation is that your. son shot him and I'm sorry to I I know. this is. hard but I think it's important to go. through this um the official explanation. is your son shot himself Once In The. Head and the bullet entered the brain. stem and extinguish life immediately can. I say something that yes it didn't touch. his brain stem at all oh it didn't even. touch his brain and angle is downwards. yes I'm saying the official explanation. is he shot himself once in the head he. died yes. but these photographs show that that's.

not at all what happened because there's. blood all over the apartment there's. blood on the door on the floor in the. bathroom there's blood. everywhere. so that right there just employing. common sense tells you that who you know. that the person from whom that blood. came your son presumably uh did not have. a fatal brain injury at least when he. was bleed I mean this is something was. going on in the apartment right yes. the second thing that jumps out is that.

there is a tuft of hair that's not hair. it's from a wig it's from a wig and. there's a clip scene it's okay so tell. us what that is for people who don't. know it's a part of a clip-in wig uh. like there's some kind of plastic band. or something that put fits the wig on. the head we can see that coming out. behind the door yes and that's obvious. evidence that no crime scen. investigators or police can miss they. just ignored everything that showed. murder and they picked up everything.

that showed a cover of suicide but how. could they ignore so your son did not I. mean he was a 26-year-old man with short. hair from pictures he's not wearing a. wig correct no no no he's not and these. hairs are not his this investigator's. analysis looked at the hair from the. autopsy pictures but my son's hair and. this hair this is not his hair and the. and the portion of the wig the clip-in. wig has blood on it. yes okay so as a you know know non. forensic investigator myself I look at.

that and I'm saying that's a that's a. where where did this come from and. there's blood all over the apartment um. right there I would say this is you know. maybe it's a suicide but you're going to. have to tell me how because that you. know what is that it's not a suicide. it's a homicide obviously we have enough. reasons to believe that one is coming. from the private autopsy it's not a. suicidal angle at. all so you said that and let me let you. explain it's not a suicidal angle so you.

had the the the the crime scene your. son's body was taken away it was. evaluated in someway by the authorities. they say this is a suicide you have an. like a real autopsy done by Professor. Ral and he says what about the bullet. angle will you explain that the autopsy. was done by Dr Joseph Gohan okay and uh. he says two things one of them is the. bullet angle is going downward about 30. to 45° downward it's been shot here it's. missed the brain second thing is there's.

a head injury on the left side of the. head in fact I spoke to medical. examiner's office executive director I. told him there's a head injury the sign. of struggle in the. bathroom he just declared that I'm the. decision making authority of State of. California I decide the cause of death. and when I brought up will have federal. investigation there was a momentary. setback in his voice on the phone but. still they're holding on to Suicide so. Dr Cohen's autopsy and this is Grizzly.

I'm sorry but shows demonstrates proves. that the bullet was fired at what. angle yeah it's downward angle that. someone cannot shoot themselves right so. in other words If This Were a suicide. your son would have had to have held the. gun to his forehead coming down the. top he was made to sit if you look at. the same thing like the victim was. sitting down he was made to sit. someone's stand he shot him down in fact. like Balaji and I my husband and I are.

going to create a virtual reality once. we get all the evidence we'll create a. virtual reality video and present it to. code what exactly happened to him at. that. moment you also said if I heard you. correctly that he had another head. injury not caused by a bullet yes can. you tell us about that actually it. appeared to us that from his Fallen. toothpick and toothpick and blood in the. sink and all that it appeared around. 10ish because 1010 is his last browser.

history on the desktop he was brushing. his teeth before going to bed he was. attacked from behind on the. head that's why this Fallen dust bin. this Fallen toothpick and his earbud has. fallen in two different direction. because of the head impact and we. believe after that he was either. electrocuted or he was uh you know like. he was paralyzed from the head injury. and then he just they just held him up. made him seat and shot him but also we.

know that that we waiting for further. report but that's may not be the cause. of death the gunshot wound is not the. cause of death and probably they might. have suffocated him we don't have any. details of that crty but we waiting for. further reports from CD scan why do you. believe the gunshot was not the cause of. death because it's not touched the brain. it only causes uh makes him unconscious. is so the autopsy showed that the bullet.

did not touch his brain yes and also. since I called a apartment on 12 on 23rd. at 12:15 p.m. it rang once and it went. to. voicemail that makes me. believe the killers were still there in. the apartment again we need to verify. all that we can do something called Geo. fencing through that we can figure out. who was there who was visiting the. complex and all that information that's. exactly why we need thorough.

investigation uh you certainly do um you. said Your son's last browser record is. from 10 p.m. is 101 p.m. and what was he. looking at you know. um I think he was looking at a black cat. or something because last time inir and. I met a cat was going in front of me and. then I told him it's a superstation and. then he was looking looking at um uh.

Neuroscience topics and he logged into a. website for the you know for the startup. or something like that he logged into a. website and he was doing some. research so he wasn't looking up how do. I kill myself no that's the first thing. that we look for actually of course of. course of course I mean killing yourself. is a you know a profound decision people. um they signs and can I say something. something it doesn't add up if he's so.

brave to go to news media to be a. witness he's so courageous how does. someone so. courageous do a cowly act it doesn't add. up at all what doesn't add up is there's. blood all over the apartment and um. there's a piece of a wig on the ground. covered in blood that's not his wig and. you know you you don't need to be a. detective to imagine that if someone's. going to commit a murder he might be a. wig as he goes into the apartment so.

that right there considering your son. didn't wear a wig as a 26-year-old male. um you know hairs were not his that's. also another thing what weren't his. those hairs were not his hair we have. the picture of his hairs his hair is. fallen down in the bathroom sink that is. different from the wig in the hair in. the. wig his original hair have been found on. the floor they might have strangled him. by his hair or something his hair has. fallen down that hair versus the wig.

hair are. different did anybody hear anything in. the apartment did anyone hear The. Gunshot no no one heard anything no one. heard anything um and two entrances into. the complex have no surveillance cameras. yes wow um it makes the hair on your. arms go up yeah it's a lot yeah again I. I've been involved in many stories like.

this more than five and I've never seen. one like this brutal it's unbelievable. so what's unbelievable is it's so. obviously not a cleancut story I mean. you wouldn't walk into an apartment with. blood splattered everywhere and see a. man on the floor with a gun in his hand. and say oh it was a suicide well how did. the blood get in the bathroom he shot. himself in the head like that doesn't. even make sense it it was a cover up. right so they picked up what they want. to pick up we don't know if they have. been instructed to do this beforehand so.

um okay let's thank you for describing. all of that and I'm sorry I know it's. awful yeah but um tell me how the. authorities responded if you don't mind. authorities have been very indifferent. in fact we hired an attorney a senior. attorney he wrote to Chief of Police. City administrator chief medical. examiner executive director of medical. examiner he wrote very clearly. couple of points one of them is he was.

not suicidal before making a decision of. suicide they need to take his mental. state into account yes he has happy. pictures he they shared the pictures he. just came back and he said talk to four. of his friends who accompanied him and. he also said the autopsy information in. that letter the autopsy report says that. this is the angle of gunshot it doesn't. look suicide at at all a doctor. described this as atypical abnormal. worrisome. angle we wrote All of this to them we. just had them to reconsider it and do.

the. investigation chief of police apparently. has agreed to do investigation but. medical examiner stopped it he said no. this is suicide and the ratoni came back. and said what they said was oh yeah the. angle looks different so what it's a. suicide a man shooting himself in the. forehead from a downward yeah okay um it. I'm not even sure if that's possible but. uh we're going to demonstrate that we. just ordered a dummy gun we're going to.

create a dummy of his size and we're. going to demonstrate using the VR or the. video we're going to demonstrate to. people it's not possible who is the. medical examiner who refuses to. reconsider a a pretty obviously silly. explanation for this um his name is um. David Helman David Helman is the San. Francisco medical examiner but he has. been covered by David SW who's executive. director every time we call it's him and. even the news report is given by David.

Su there's no and who is David SW he's. executive director of medical examiners. office he is the one who's holding on to. Suicide despite of seeing all the. evidences he wants to declare it only. suicide nothing. else what does he make of the bloody wig. and the blood splattered in the bathroom. when your son was not found in the. bathroom like how does he explain that. um he didn't want to listen to it. he didn't want to pay attention to any. of the things that we were saying and.

you know the worst struggle here is the. first attorney he was reluctant to help. us when he said Su when medical examiner. office said suicide he didn't want to. fight because they have been threatened. obviously and we hired a second attorney. he got a crime scene. investigator and our attorney. said we'll give you explanation of every. blood Mark and he came back this Monday. and he gave. explanation and none of that explanation.

he gave corroborates to what happened in. the apartment based on what we see that. means even the cini investigator was. bought he gave uh inaccurate results if. both the atories are like this then. where do we go we definitely need some. serious help here from the authorities. okay so the authorities would begin with. the mayor of San. Francisco mayor of San Francisco uh. actually Sam Alman is on the transition. committee for the new governor he's a.

he's friend of the new mayor Sam alman's. a friend of the new mayor yes okay so. let's move up then you go to the. governor of California Kevin Nome we're. trying to we are first trying to meet. the district attorney of San Francisco. da of San Francisco we probably are. going to get an appointment sometime. next week or later this week it's it's. mid January your son was killed in. November we have not been getting any. appointment we wrote to everyone we we. wrote to ra Bon we wrote to Da like we.

didn't get any appointment from any of. them five weeks were Wasted by our first. attorney he does nothing he just keep. prolonging prolonging prolonging he. wasted five weeks then we hired a second. attorney it's been almost two weeks. since we hired but now like we just. didn't trust any of these people we got. a report from someone else and now we're. coming to Media because these people. like neither the authorities not the. Ator are helping us this needs to go to.

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for us that it's a suicide but we. parents we know and we want to fight for. justice for our beloved Son I but I I. don't understand on what basis so your. son had just come back that day from. hanging out with his buddies okay so. which is like a happy thing it's no. evidence that he was suicidal whatsoever. and tons of forensic evidence that he. was murdered so on what grounds are they. saying it's very likely he killed. himself okay that's because of the cover. up remember like there was a gun near. him he owned a gun and they put a shell.

casing and four bullets near it they. made it look like it so there are both. the evidences right for the medical. examiner to pick up he picked up the one. that look suicidal he ignored the one. that looks like homicide that's what it. is so now to Sam. Alman what contact with Sam Alman have. you had since your son. died we contacted. HR for 401k plan details until then no.

one from open AI ever contacted us they. gave the pr report that they're. supporting the family how so had. obviously put parents in his emergency. contact right they got the de news on. December 13 they made no attempt to. contact us and when we reached out to HR. Sam Alman said he wants to talk to us by. then we already knew suchir was uh you. know his presence or his living would. have been a threat to a a industry in. general I wouldn't want to name one. company but eventually it's going to.

expose everything right so we didn't. want to talk to Sam Alman and then they. said we provide employee assistance. program though he was a former employee. he said we have medical insurance we. don't need it then they pushed us saying. we want to get you on a zoom call ASAP. to go over his stock options then our. response to that is why are you in a. hurry we are not we've lost her son. we're grieving money is not not. important to us please talk to a probate. attorney and we had a probate attorney.

talk to the Hatcher this is our only. they wanted to talk about his stock. options yeah that's why they wanted to. get us on a zoom. call do you think um do you believe you. can't know I guess but do you think that. Sam Alman was involved in your son's. death we don't know we need to. investigate it we can't you know we. can't say anything at this time but one. thing I know for sure is if he was. deposed there are few uh organizations.

who could have been impacted for that. matter like there are a lot of AI. companies which violate copyright LW and. we don't know what open AI wanted to. hide when my son. depos what was the wrongdoing that he. would have brought up not just the. copyright law that's exactly we need FBI. to investigate thoroughly was there. any uh criminal activity was there any. illegal activity we don't know right why.

why would they silence him what would he. have spoken if it's just a copyright law. do you think these big organizations. like Microsoft and open AI care no they. don't care about it right because they. have money and power what else was. involved in the deposition in the. testimony that took my son's life we. need thorough investigation so you. haven't seen those documents you don't. know okay there are two things here one. is the custodial documentation right the. second thing is his own. statement his own statement we heard.

from few former employees of open. AI there are certain wrongdoings there. like what we can't say something that. someone Shar right so I would want to. keep it more um you know just overview. that something like that so that is the. reason they're hiding and you know what. if we come and tell openly our life. could be at risk but we are taking the. risk and coming out and telling publicly. that's the reason our son was killed.

because he knew something that was going. on keeping in mind he was feeding the. data right pre-training data so he know. so to be clear you think this is not. simply about AI stealing you know. copyright material it's there's more. than that more than that 100% sure. because copyright data obviously my. friends and I were all talking these. companies they get many lawsuits like. this right sure do they really care. about it. no what is the kind of thing they do.

care about what kind of crimes do you. think they would kill someone. over stealing some data that against the. that that could cause a violation. possibly they might be stealing some. data from the US government from other. government H something like that maybe. government is involved we don't know. we're. speculating um it's just a remarkable. story do you think that we will find out.

like how will the rest of us find out. what your. son testified to that's exactly why we. call out to president Trump to do a. thorough investigation we wonder if ifbi. director to be assigned to investigate. this this is not just about copyright. this is about a lot of other things that. are going on that could cause harm to. society potentially not just my son's. death there some harmful that need to be. evaluated and like thoroughly.

investigated that's exactly why they're. covering up a suicide why do you think. medical examiners the executive director. would come and tell why do you think. nobody gives us appointment because. there's some kind of f play and there's. strong power behind medical. examiner um so you're saying that AI. itself poses a threat to the world and. that your son understood this yes he. understood it but he was keeping in mind. that's one aspect the other aspect is he.

knew everything open AI does yes and he. might have actually felt um overwhelmed. by what kind of activity he got involved. in. and we know that he spoke to a copyright. atorney which is again a cover up we. suspect and what Matthew butter told us. on November 29th is yes I met with your. son he's a very brave man so chir told. us what open AI did to to him he didn't. say anything beyond that that day he.

said I live in San Francisco LA I come. to San Francisco quite quite a few times. and I'm going to talk to you next time. when I come and then he's been silenced. he's not telling us anything we had our. attorney call even then apparently he. did not say so if we depose him he's. going to spill out everything and also. we suspect his Sam alman's friend and. he's played against our son and has. indirect involvement we don't know. wow um there was a a moment where Sam.

Alman left his own company or seemed to. leave his own company for a few days you. may remember this what was that do you. know Sam Alman was fired this was. because of AI safety issues the board of. uh directors for open AI from the. nonprofit side especially one called. ilas esto he and others excuse me fired. Sam Alman and then all the 700 employees. including my son wrote a letter or a. momentum saying that if they don't rein.

Sam Alman they're all going to resign so. they brought Sam Alman they fired Ilia. who is the AI safety. expert and to be honest few days after. my son's death was announced December 15. Ilia was seen in uh a presentation in. one of the conferences he had two. security guards with arm know with um. Firearms around him he was so scared of. his life so we are seeing a mafia behind. all these things honestly.

speaking what were the safety issues. that caused Sam mman to get fired do you. think uh we don't know if it's safety. issue or whatever we don't have the. details of it even my son doesn't know. any of these things in fact he supported. Sam malman reinstatement you said that. yeah yeah uh like a lot of AI safety. people have been leaving open AI if you. notice their CD MEA I don't her don't. know her last name the C also resigned.

many people have been leaving open AI. not just the. researchers do be. why that's exactly I want to know why. there's so many people to leave. obviously there is something right that. they're not happy about right only. person who spoke against them was my son. rest of them just quietly walked away my. son he couldn't take it he felt like you. know you know he need to stand up and. tell the truth so some harm can be. prevented we need to investigate all.

this. seriously um did your son ever mention. during that period when Sam Alman left. that very brief period there was a. report uh in the news media that said um. within open. AI um AI itself was being worshiped like. a god did he ever mention anything about. that didn't such didn't mention um um. and do you have any sense of what these. harms are I mean clearly people are.

afraid of what AI can do not just by. eliminating jobs which is enough to. worry about but there are other things. that people are very concerned about do. you know what they are they are in my. son's publication some of them he's. covered one of them is like um less. traffic means the loss of jobs that was. one of his concerns I'm proud of him for. bringing that up he gave the graph. graphical representation of how the. traffic is reduced to stack Overflow and. fure website that are a means of living.

for people that will be taken away. that's his concern and also the accuracy. as I mentioned earlier in the interview. the accuracy of data and also he says. something called um uh like the. modulation index or something 05 versus. 1.0 he tells in his article if it's 0.5. the data in and data out are not the. same if it's one data in and data out. are same most companies including open. AI use5 that means the data accuracy is.

not maintained that is his biggest. concern he being um kind of like an. architect inside he knows in and out of. chat. [Music]. GPD what happens. next if my son were alive he was. planning to bring a competition to open. AI he was working on a medical startup I. even checked with him how do you think. it's a competition not directly Mom it's. an indirect competition he said he would. have. been a great humanitarian he would have.

done a lot of causes for Humanity with. the concerns he had we lost a great. human being not just my son who would. have made a big difference to the world. now what we want is we want Justice we. want death sentence to the one who. killed my son as well as the. imprisonment for people who are behind. it we don't know who it is but we want. to know and we want to know what my son. stood against and take actions at least. in honor of him at least do something.

that he stood for and you know let his. soul be at. peace what happened to the piece of wig. found on the floor soaked in blood in. your son's apartment where is it it's. still there we didn't pick it up because. we want police to go and look at it it's. in the apartment right now nobody came. to do the. investigation we have the apartment case. nobody came to do the investigation we. have been requesting police it's sitting. there right now yeah still there we. didn't pick up anything because it's. crime scene evidence but no one's.

investigating it as a crime scene No in. fact like our attorney said up to. December 31st these people will retain. the apartment in fact we paying the rent. and we maintaining the apartment as is. because we want someone to come and. investigate all these things with so. much evidence if medical examiner still. calls it suicide uh this is an ethical. question the regulatory question. so it's just sitting on the floor right. now yes it's the same place we didn't.

touch any of. that well this is a really crazy story. it is reality right it's not a story. it's how gruesome it is and like you see. all the bloodshot like there was a fight. and my son has been tortured he didn't. die immediately and where where can we. go with where is peace of mind for us we. can't we just don't have any Peace of. Mind our life is not normal at all the. only thing that could make a difference. after the loss of our son is get him.

Justice punish the wrongdoers protect AI. did you know that California was this. corrupt yeah we know it's very. corrupt that's exactly why we're. requesting FBI thorough investigation we. did speak to an agent I think last. Friday we're waiting for that agent to. get someone assigned if you know special. agent or something and we also know that. there's a transition period in the. government uh some may be move. transferred some may be leaving so we.

just thought okay let's wait meanwhile. we did all the ground work that we need. to do we have the evidence we are here. in the media we're telling the media now. we want the new oncoming federal. government to intervene because Newsome. we know Trump himself makes lot of. statements against newsum so we don't TR. we wrote to Rana you talked to roana. congressman from Silicon Valley we wrote. to him no response from him many people. response from Rana yes many people try. to reach out to him not one many people.

no response from him cuz they're all. inside right all this tick. lobbying okay I'm going to you know what. I'm going to text Ron right now please. do I'm going to and I'm going to send. him this right. here and. um Rana has not responded to you. yes um. okay I sent out I filled in a form in. his website I gave my phone number I.

gave all the details on his website many. people from whom we know have tried to. contact Rana they took my email address. and they said Ro Rana will reach it's. been two weeks isn't reached us. initially we thought it's holidays time. so he's little busy but even it's 14th. of January today no response yet okay um. I'm um. I'm going I just texted him right.

now and I just sent. him uh pictures of the relevant. information and I and I hope that you'll. try again well I mean ran is the is the. Silicon Valley member of Congress and we. don't believe in state government at all. we know how corrupt it is especially in. uh San Francisco Bay Area it's very very. corrupt we don't believe in the system. unless you know we change a governor. we won't believe anything will happen. here we need to go to Federal and we. also found out that he's protected under.

Vis blower act as well found out what. I'm sorry whistleblower there's a. federal aspect as well it's not just. whle blower yes right there are two. things here one is wrongful death one is. a. whistleblower The Whistleblower comes. under Federal because the lawsuit was. filed in New York and he was a custodian. witness so we have a backing from. federal government involvement if just. the state corrupt state would fight. against it since it is federal they can. overtake the federal aspect we are. writing to um Federal Trade Commission.

now today or tomorrow and we want them. to do a quiet investigation of the case. we have a top attorney in whistleblowers. that's helping us Pro one means. contingency bases we will work with him. and bring the truth. out yeah I mean your son was born in. this country you can't murder American. citizens because they're standing in the. way of your business that is not allowed. in this country you can't do that. imagine we are immigrants here and we. came here we raised our son we were so.

proud of him. we we don't expect this to happen in. this country in America no that's. right we don't expect this to happen. like sense of security has been lost for. me ever since do you worry about your. safety uh potentially now that like. we've gone so public they may not Target. us. yes but there might be some kind of you. know threat in terms of accidents or. something like that can potentially.

indirectly they could harm us that they. cannot be caught we are we suspect that. and I don't go out alone anywhere. because I'm more vocal so I don't go out. alone for walk or anywhere I always take. my husband along and we make sure if we. go somewhere we inform our friends where. we. are we just keep letting people know in. fact like I don't want my family from. India to visit me because it's a big. risk for them. has the New York Times called you to do. the story we called New York Times two.

days after we got his body and we told. uh I think his name was uh I don't. remember his name so we told him many. times they haven't even. interviewed they ignored it completely. and he said he'll get back he will say. he'll let us know uh what he can do and. he isn't he doesn't even take our. call um what about the television. networks CNN NBC Fox is anyone nobody.

ABC just relayed the visil candl light. visual that we had for suchir and Milpas. 1.5 minutes they relayed of the visual. information ABC News. Local now that we just received this. evidence today morning we probably might. reach out through some of the news media. now that we have this evidence news. media will talk to us we want to take it. forward yeah I don't for the third time. I just want to say this again I don't. think anybody any honest person could.

look at this and say oh yeah that's a. suicide I mean I just I you know we were. hesitant because like they can try to. manipulate the evidence or something. like that we were very hesitant you know. like they can even attack the apartment. remove everything clean up you know like. some things crazy things like they might. cause a fire and then let the you know. water sprinklers go on and it'll destroy. the evidence or something right that's. where we were very quiet with didn't go. to Media until we got this authoritative.

report it's very. scary well I'm I'm grateful that you're. making you know as much noise about this. as you are and you're as aggressive as. you are thank you for doing that and I'm. going to whistleblowers lives matter oh. IE we cannot lose honestly I was talking. to my son I express concerns about his. whistleblower activity but what I was. thinking was he won't get another job. because he's going against employer. right he kept assuring me he has his own.

plan startup plans but taking his life. is something that I never expected this. is not the first time two whistleblowers. from Boeing were found dead last year. one of them exactly same. way another one died in the hospital. they drugged. him this is America. yeah thank you for. this we need to protect them most.

whistleblowers we were talking to The. Whistleblower attorneys most of them. they don't even know there is support. there's not enough awareness going. forward we want to create awareness and. help others then not just that there. should be some kind of Regulation. protection and I'm sure we are going to. talk to New York Times at some point of. time and said how did you put his life. as risk if he was a custodian witness. why didn't you give him protection. why was he left alone right what kind of. protection did you have for speaking.

truth costing his life well I think most. Americans like you would not even. consider the possibility you'd be. murdered over something like this you. know the penalty you would assume would. be you know having trouble getting. another job but getting killed in your. apartment um and your son I know I've. asked you so I want to make totally. clear he never mentioned being followed. or feeling threatened or anything like. that actually I do have some observation. after New York Times article came he. didn't want us to visit he would come.

home and avoid me going there and he. would also come during the weekday not. the weekend I want to investigate why. was he already under some kind of. someone was following him or. something I was [ __ ] to demand him an. answer but he's no more like slowly you. know like with an adult son like how. much can we push him each time he visits. I just made sure like he's eating well. and he's healthy and he has strong plans. he's has Hobbies all of those things but.

this kind of information why are you. coming in the week days I was didn't get. a chance to push him he was going to. come for Thanksgiving and that's when I. would question him I. thought he wasn't even alive till then. we didn't have enough. time thank you for telling us the story. thank you for hosting us you know we. want Americans to know what happened. and why has been mean covered by news. media why no one is talking about it why.

they want to repeat like parrots what. medical examiner is saying why they. don't want to stand up for. truth why are so sold out for these Tech. lobbying is there any regulation on the. amount of money they can spend for. lobbying right it's indirect bribe right. so they're all sold out can't we do. anything I'm an American citizen too and. this is totally. disappointing like a reporter came home.

he took the pictures he wrote the. article and then when I mentioned open. ai's name there was so much fear in him. he was scared so the tech companies. that're controlling and they turning out. to be Mafia controlling the government. controlling the news media what more. harm do we want from. them do we public do we need to live in. safety or do we need to live in fear. what what are we doing why are we quiet. now now that an innocent life is gone we. seeing so much going on why are we.

quiet why can't we start Justice for. suchir movement why can't we do rallies. why can't we go on a non-stopping mov. until we get the Justice until we get. the. punishment I'm calling out to all. Americans to stand with me we want to do. rallies All Over America we want to do. vigil All Over America and we want to. enforce FBI investigation and punish the. culprit. I hope this.

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