Miranda Devine: Joe Biden’s Secret Contempt for Kamala, and Whether Hunter Will Ever Face Justice

So we saw Zelensky. campaigning for Kamala Harris, the. unelected president. I guess that'd be dictator of.

Ukraine, campaigning for Kamala. Harris in Pennsylvania a couple of. weeks ago. And it just is a reminder. that Ukraine is. not just like a foreign policy. priority. It is central to. this administration and. has been for ten years. What you've reported on this more. than anybody. Why? Well, I mean, that's the central. question and the kind of mystery. about Joe Biden. And it's the key to figuring. out how he got to be president.

This very unprepossessing, not very intelligent man. was sort of captured, I think, in. his very earliest days in the. Senate. He came to the Senate as a. green 30 year old kind of. part time grifter from Delaware. And he was immediately. embraced by the sort. of elder statesman who controlled. the foreign policy establishment. basically in the Senate and was. elevated to the most. powerful committee in the. Senate, the Senate Foreign Relations. Committee, which he ended up being.

chairman or ranking member for over. a decade. And that is the place. where the CIA meets. government power. That's how he had access. to the CIA. CIA had access to him. And he was very early on. captured by the Chinese or. captivated by the Chinese. He traveled as a young. senator to the Chinese. equivalent of Martha's Vineyard. and met all the top CCP people, came back waxing lyrical about.

how wonderful China was, just like. Tim Walz. Same sort of capture. And so much so that The Weekly. Standard at the time ran. a cover story just saying how. ridiculous he was. And the same with Russia. You know, the foreign policy. establishment in America has. this obsession. with Russia and wanting. now regime change with Putin, enlarging NATO. That was people don't really. realize. But Joe Biden was.

pushing for the enlargement of. NATO's to include especially Ukraine. and Georgia. So, yeah, Victoria Nuland. and Joe Biden are probably the two. most instrumental Americans. in Ukraine policy for, you know, since before the Maidan. revolution in 2014. Victoria Nuland was over there. There's this ridiculous scene that. was captured on videotape. of her sort of striding. around Maidan Square, handing. out sandwiches from a big bag.

to the protesters there and saying, good on you, you know, well done. And the CIA, I mean, it's. pretty much an established fact. that the CIA was involved in. the toppling of the Yanukovych. regime there, which was sort of more. Russia aligned, but not as much. as is said. I mean, he was sort of trying to do a. European trade. deal. But anyway, he was after about. two months of phone calls with.

Joe Biden, then the vice president, who would harangue him. and make these grandiose threats. Yanukovych finally had enough after. the ninth phone call, like. interminable hour long phone call. with Joe Biden. He just got in a helicopter and left. and. And then Victoria Nuland is. captured on a on a. phone call that was, I think, recorded by the Russians, but. released in which she and. it's genuinely her and she's. just talking about how they're going.

to impose their. puppet government on Ukraine. and they're going to get Joe Biden. involved and he's going to give the. new government an attaboy on the. phone. And Jake Sullivan. has told them that they've got to. get Joe Biden involved. So these very unimpressive. people, Victoria Nuland, is not very. impressive and. neither is Joe Biden. They ended up being the sort of. rulers of Ukraine.

But what was the appeal. for them? Was it ideological? I think so. Victoria Nuland. Yes, because she's a hawk, you know, neocon. She was Dick. Cheney's primary adviser. in the Iraq war. I remember very well. Yeah. So I think and her husband, Robert. Kagan, is like a leading. neocon intellectual. I worked for them. One of the dumbest people I've ever. worked with. Yes. Bob Kagan. And a very angry and. unpleasant man.

But stupid. How did he become so influential. then? Because he's part of, you. know, the Washington foreign policy. establishment. And, you. know, because his views, you. know, his views are consistent, normally consistent. They are sort of the archetype of. Washington's foreign policy. Very anti-American. I would say extremely. anti-American. But. But conventional. Yeah, so I know. So that's that's interesting. because, I mean, I think I don't.

know about Victoria Nuland. She doesn't strike me as being. particularly intelligent. Joe Biden certainly is not apart. from he has a sort of a cunning. political cunning, but the three of them then. have those those establishment. views. So they're useful. And that's kind of my premise, is that Joe Biden. was the sort of tool of. the blob or the people. who are in control from. the CIA, the State Department, and they wanted a sort of puppet. president, as they pretty much.

always had. And the same people. who covered up for Joe Biden and his. corruption allowed it green lit it, are the same people that are. propping up Kamala Harris. and who regard Donald. Trump as an existential threat, but not to America or democracy. like we're told, but to them and. their power. It's just it's amazing to me as an. American, if you told me ten years. ago that I'd be sitting, you know, talking to a reporter. on camera about how the CIA controls. who the president is and then uses.

the presidents as puppets. I thought that sounds a little far. out, but. it's clearly true. Yeah, I don't know, just the CIA. I mean, I think it's the Obama. people called the Blob. What Mike Pence talks about, for. sure. The you know, it's the. Pentagon, State Department, CIA. and in in the. cover up of Joe Biden's corruption. and Hunter Biden Hunter Biden. investigation. Also the Department. of Justice and the IRS were. involved. And so it's the classic what Trump.

called the deep state. And they couldn't control. him. He's always been an. uncontrollable person. And that's, I guess, his gift, what made him so good as president. and is allowing him now to do. so well. But it also makes him. an existential threat to the blob, to the deep state. So the impeachment, the first. impeachment of Trump over Ukraine. should have been the tip off to the. rest of us, that Ukraine.

was really the kind of the whole. point for these people. And I remember thinking, well, it. was just an excuse they were using. because they wanted to impeach. Trump. But no, it really was the. third rail for them. Yeah, in hindsight, it was. incredible that Donald Trump. got impeached. for the sins of Joe Biden, effectively. doing exactly like being accused. of doing exactly what Joe Biden did, which was to withhold US aid. Joe Biden withheld $1 billion of. US aid so.

that the President. Poroshenko of Ukraine fired. the honest prosecutor. who was investigating the company. that was paying his son $1 million. a year. And Donald Trump made. in a conversation with Zelensky, he said, you know, can you please. investigate the Biden. family stopping. the prosecution of Burisma, this. energy company in Ukraine. And for that and.

for supposedly. talking about or withholding aid. for like a millisecond from Ukraine. He got impeached. We only know about that conversation. because he was spied on. and then the contents were leaked, correct? No. I mean, the conversation he had. with Zelensky is public. I mean, it's listened to and there's. a readout, but. I guess and he then released. a transcript himself. But you're not meant to have a. verbatim. An American people is. meant to have a verbatim transcript. These phone calls for some reason.

are not actually recorded. They're just sort of transcribed. But yeah, it was leaked by. a Ukrainian American, sort of I don't know. He was in the in the in the State. Department at the time listening. And the crime was threatening to. withhold aid. as if the Ukraine. is a constitutional right to. American tax dollars or something. I don't understand the. Well, because they said that it was. a he was it was of political. benefit to him, even though Joe. Biden. Was not a candidate for.

president at the time they said. that. That somehow Donald Trump knew. that Joe Biden, who was the least. likely to become the. Democratic candidate, that somehow Donald Trump's had a. crystal ball and figured out that it. was Joe Biden, actually. I mean, Donald Trump. knew that there was nefarious. stuff going on in Ukraine. and he'd had his personal. lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, was looking. into it. And he suspected.

that Ukraine was involved in. interfering with his campaign in. 2016 and getting his campaign. manager, a guy called. Manafort and basically ended up. being jailed. And I'm not I'm not defending. Manafort. I think he was like a lot. of grifters, American grifters in. Ukraine, very corrupt country, the most corrupt country in Europe. They're out there with their hands. out. And so, I. mean, there were Republicans doing. it, but the Bidens were doing. it. And I think that, you know, Joe Biden as vice.

president sold out the country. in many ways. And Ukraine was part of that for a. few million dollars for his family. and, you know, maybe 25. million that we've discovered from. China and Ukraine and Russia and. Romania and so on. But. But, you know, I think Ukraine. has just been an obsession. by the blob because. they think they're trying to weaken. Russia. And I think the way to. do that is they want to wean.

Europe off Russian. energy. And and they had. this fantasy that Ukraine. was going to be able to supply. Europe with the energy that Russia. didn't once they cut off. But it's impossible because Ukraine. has 3% of the shale. gas deposits that Russia has. So it doesn't. make sense. Why? Why would they care? Why? That's what I don't. I've never understood why Russia's. bad. Me neither.

I. My actual theory. I have two theories. One is that because. it's sort of Orthodox. Christian and so. the now. America always sort of exported its. way of life and its democracy. And that's been a benign thing until. maybe the last decade when the State. Department is now thinks. that its role in in. exporting American culture. is LGBTQ stuff, which goes right down.

to, I think, in Indonesia, very conservative. kind of Muslim country. I think it was Indonesia anyway, was. a country like that where. they were having like drag. Drag queen story time. The State Department was funding. that, you know, which just causes. great hostility in these. conservative countries. It damages America's interests to. impose these social. sort of bizarre social norms onto. these like,

maybe culturally. conservative countries. And I think Russia is regarded as. culture culturally conservative. Putin has allied. himself with the Orthodox Church. I don't think necessarily because he. himself is religious at all, but just because it's a source of. power for him. And and. you know, you see it in Poland, a lot of those Eastern Bloc. countries, they really. reject this. this cultural imperialism from. America. It happened in Afghanistan.

I mean, when Kabul. fell, the pride flag. was hanging over the brand new. embassy that the Americans. had built so. That they hung a pride flag in. Afghanistan. Yes. So this this is just. all that does is antagonize. everyone around the world. And I don't think the American. people want agree. with it. Or why would we be exporting. homosexuality. Yeah. And transgender,

you know, transgender children. Why would the U.S. government even have that in its. portfolio? Why is it the US government's. business who you sleep with? Well, because that Joe. Biden came in promising equity. and he just gave an interview. to The Blade, I think. just boasting about how important. his his administration. had been in promoting, you know, transgender rights, rainbow rights. So I don't. and it's sort of a sort.

of a shadow agenda. that most Americans aren't really. aware of. But you saw. when on. when Joe Biden invited this. transgender woman. who came to the White House and. bared her breasts, she's really. a man, bared her breasts. for the cameras in in the. White House. And the pride flag was. adorning the White House. and equal status with the American. flag. And people were outraged by that.

But I don't. Think we wonder why we're getting. all these hurricanes. No. It's not global warming. Sorry. Well, the trannies in the White. House. Well, we've always had hurricanes. Yeah, well, yeah, but you can see. why they be increasing in frequency. after stuff like that that. Well, that's just that I. Think that's what that's one reason. why Russia has resisted. and they are trying to impose. on. Right. The same with Hungary. Remember they've America has sent. Hungary's kind of traditionally. Catholic and quite culturally.

conservative. And so what does America do? Send a gay ambassador. with a husband and adopted kids. to just talk about nothing but. gay rights? And he's got an IQ of about 80 and. is doesn't speak Hungarian and is. lecturing everyone in the country. about how immoral they are. Yeah, I mean, send him to Australia. He would be embraced. They would love him. But you don't. Why would you. antagonize a country that's. conservative and is having its own? Well, that's the purpose of. diplomacy, right, is to make your. potential allies hate you.

That's right. Yeah. So I think that's one. one reason that the State Department. has a loathing for Russia. But also I think it's. because this is my theory. I have no proof for it but that, you know, China seems to be much. more of a threat than Russia, which. has a small GDP. It really isn't that much. of a threat to America, whereas. China is encroaching. You know, it's it's imperialist. It's very aggressive. now in the South China Sea,

it's trapping all these. little countries in debt traps. You know, the Belt and Road. Initiative is an imperialist. objective, and it's directly. threatening to the United States. So I think that. the Wall Street or the people. that fund the blob. and fund the wars don't. want the American people to realize. that China is the real threat. So they focus. their attention on Russia. And so that we just forget.

about China. And it's amazing how many Americans. fall for it. I say that with. sadness. They fall for it. I mean, what was. Russia's imperial aims? No. What what threat does Russia pose? Gaining states except a nuclear. response to provocation? Yeah. No, I don't. I don't. But people kind of fall for. it. It's like the worst person in. the world is Putin. Okay, maybe he's a bad guy. But is that. There are a lot of bad guys around. There are a lot of bad guys and. there are a lot of bad guys, including in our government. So it's it's interesting.

So. But you think the. The point of Ukraine. is to destabilize Russia. Yeah, And the point of destabilizing. Russia is because they won't bow to. American cultural imperialism on the. gay stuff. Not entirely. I just think that that gives. sort of impetus and passion. to those people in the State. Department who, you know, everyone needs to be. on the same song sheet. and they all need to hate Russia.

And so why you have to try and. understand, why do they hate Russia. so much? What's Russia done to them? And, you know, I do think. that that. the fact that they're sort of I. mean, remember the dramas when Putin. imposed some sort of anti-gay law, I don't think it was it wasn't. actually anti-gay was kind. of what Ron DeSantis is trying to do. in Florida is just stop. this grooming and encroachment. on childhood. Yeah, you can't throw sexual. propaganda at children.

Yeah, that would be like the, you know, anti kid touching law that. totally conventional in any normal. country. That's right. And you know, you. can't fund hormone replacement. and genital mutilation. for 12 year olds. You know you don't want to set kids. on the path of changing their. sex. So leave them alone until they're. 18. I think that's pretty. reasonable. But that's seen as being anti-gay. Amazing. It's funny how some of the biggest. threats to your personal liberty are.

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Nothing this all. I mean you've written about this for. several years now pretty. conclusively I would say. You have an amazing book on. Hunter Biden's laptop, which sort. of substantiates a lot of what. you're saying, but. no one has ever been punished for. it. There was no effect, really. No. So that's why I wrote the second. book, The Big Guy, which is. Joe Biden's code name. that Hunter Biden's. former business partners like Tony. Bobulinski used. to, had had to use to refer.

to Joe Biden because the family was. so paranoid about his involvement. And I think, you know, the the first. book, The Laptop From Hell that. we at The New York Post wrote about. and then got censored by. Big tech at the time. That was before the 2020 election. And we didn't really understand, like how this is happening. We just thought our Twitter and. Facebook are just woke and they want. Joe Biden to win. So they're censoring us. But what we found out after. the election, in part thanks.

to Elon Musk opening up the Twitter. files and also. because of a whole lot of once the. Republicans took the House in 2022. or after 22, we we. they got to subpoena a whole lot of. documents and also interview. witnesses, Plus whistleblowers. from the FBI told us that. the reason that Twitter and Facebook. censored us was because they'd been. warned by the FBI for.

weeks ahead of our story, even. appearing to look out for. a Russian hacking leak operation. likely in October, likely. involving Hunter Biden. And so when. Twitter and Facebook saw our story. on October 14th, 2020, they. recognized it immediately. as the Russian hacking. leak. How would the FBI know? Well, the FBI was spying. on Rudy Giuliani, who was. Donald Trump's personal lawyer.

They unbeknownst to him, they had a covert surveillance. warrant on his iCloud. And so they would have had access. to the email that came to him. in August of 2020. from John Paul Mac. Isac, who was I think interviewed. him, the laptop. repair shop owner who. had the laptop that Hunter had. abandoned at his shop. And and the. FBI had actually. subpoenaed that laptop in.

December of 2019. They had it in their possession. had they'd had it for ten months. when they were telling Twitter and. Facebook, no, this is Russian. disinformation. You know, you must censor. So and then a. few days after we were censored. outcomes, the dirty 51 letter. and it was the the open. letter by 51 former intelligence. officials, most of them CIA, I think 42 ex-CIA, including. John Brennan and Leon Panetta. and James Clapper.

There were five either. directors or acting directors of the. CIA who signed that dishonest. letter that said that the laptop. was Russian disinformation and. therefore our reporting was Russian. disinformation. And they called it they said it had. all the classic earmarks of a. Russian information operation. So now if any of them. respond to any questions about. it and they just say, well, we didn't say it was Russian. disinformation, we said information. operation, same thing.

And they knew because. they leaked it to Politico. And then The Washington Post, New. York Times picked it up and all the. headlines were Russian. disinformation, the laptop. So that killed the story Stone. dead. And two days later, Joe Biden gets up on stage with. Donald Trump in the last debate, and. he uses that letter to basically. get out of jail free. And the story never, ever. became anything. But what we now know.

is that that letter. was not just signed by these. formers, but that it. was cleared by the. internal CIA Classification. Review Board in record. time. And even they saw it and thought it. was overtly political just three. weeks before an election. So they sent it upstairs to Gina. Haspel, who was then the CIA. director under Donald Trump, and she gave it the green light to. be published immediately. And so the dirty 51. letter was actually a.

domestic. CIA interference. operation with the. election. And, you know, that just boggles. your mind when what happens? Gina Haspel Well, she obviously left. And she now has a job in. some other a law firm. or something. That's one of the, you. know, stables that. disloyal Democrat lovers. end up going and making lots of. money in. But never punished.

Retains custody clearance. Of course all of them do. All all the 51. And in fact, several of. these signatories are. not just former CIA people, but they're active CIA contractors. today. And why not pull it? I've never understood. No one has a right to a security. clearance, period. And people have them pulled all the. time. Unpopular people have their. security clearances pulled, at which. point they can't work for the U.S. government and they can't they don't. have access to information that I, as a taxpayer, don't have access.

to. Why not just pull their security. clearances like every single one of. them, day one? Well, I mean, that's what Donald. Trump should have done. Yeah, but, you know, he had a couple. of months, I guess, and it took a. while to for this. all to settle, settle in everyone to. really understand what they. did, that they actually did. interfere with the election. Because, I mean, we know now. from polls that enough Biden. voters would have changed their vote. if they'd known about Joe Biden's. corruption. You know, even if they just knew. that he'd been lying to the American.

people during the campaign, when. he said, I know nothing about my son. Hunter's overseas business dealings. And yet we had on the front. page an email from Hunter's. Ukrainian sort. of paymaster from. that company, Burisma, who. had thanked Hunter for introducing. him to his father in Washington, D.C., the then sitting vice. president. We found out after the election that. was a dinner at Cafe Milano, which you probably know in. Georgetown.

That hunter on there. All my life. Yeah. Well, Hunter organized. that for for his father, the vice president, in a private. room to meet with his. Ukrainian business partners, plus Russian, plus Kazakhstan. is He did a three for one deal in. April of 2015. And Joe Biden denied. that he'd ever met these people. He sat down, he had dinner. And it was only when The Washington. Post. I'm just trying to fact check my. story about the Cafe Milano dinner. You know, they're there for.

Pinocchio's people were very Glenn. Kessler was certain that, you. know, I'd made it up or it was wrong. there. For Pinocchio's people. And and the White House then. admitted to Glenn Kessler, not never. to me that, yes, Joe Biden. did go to that dinner, but he. didn't do it for any nefarious. purpose, nearly stayed for a short. time, which is not true. because someone who is there told. me that he was there for the entire. dinner and he might not like. it's not like Joe Biden is going to. talk about the finer details of, you know, how much money you're.

going to pay. Hunter But he just has. to show up and be charming. and be the vice president for. all the money to flow into Hunter's. pockets. Has he ever. answered any substantial questions. about this? No. The only time that he's sort. of asked the questions is actually. by The New York Post's. Washington correspondent Stephen. Nelson and by. Steve Doocy. Peter Doocy, sorry, from Fox News.

And all they managed to do is shout. questions across. to him. But in all the interviews that Biden. has done as president and for years, no reporters ever said, let's just. go through this for a second. No. No, sir. There was someone I think. from might have been CBS. It was a woman. They were standing up and he gets. very aggressive. on. And then the Axios. There was an Axios reporter, too. He just hit Joe Biden. People underestimate his. aggressiveness. He's very good at. it. You he's very.

nasty. And so if you ask him a question he. doesn't like, it's almost like this. narcissistic rage. It's quite frightening. And you see reporters recoil. and you ask him anything. around hunches, sort. of or the family corruption, because. it's also Joe's younger brother, Jim Biden. He gets very aggressive and nasty. and pushes back. So he's successful in that. Why do the CIA.

dislike Trump so much? It's clearly not because they. thought he was unfit to be. president. They supported a senile. man for president. So that's not an important. criterion for them. What's the real reason they hated. Trump so much? Because Trump is uncontrollable. He's always been uncontrollable. since he was a child. He's that's his. sort of magic strength. I think that he won't. be told what to do by anybody. And you saw the effect. of that during the four years that. he was president.

Suddenly, the blobs agenda was. to the wayside because Donald. Trump treats foreign policy. just like domestic policy, just. the way he did when he was a. property developer in Queens. He acts on first principles, logically, common sense. He looks at an issue and he goes, this is a problem. I'm just going to. treat. Like, for instance, when he. became president, Barack. Obama said to him, The biggest. problem that we have is North Korea, because Kim Jong un keeps on. detonating all these nuclear.

tests and he's a problem. And so Donald Trump neutralized. that. He put Kim Jong un in a box. and he was mocked mercilessly. for it. You know it, little Rocket. Man. It's bromance with Kim Jong. un. But it worked. Same thing with Putin. You know, Trump's just very. belligerent. He he just makes. threats and people don't know. if he means it or not. I think he threatened Putin that, you know, look, those lovely domes.

in Moscow, shame if something. happened to them and Putin. didn't invade any countries. while Trump was president. like he did when Obama was. president, like he did immediately. when Biden was president. So Putin was in his box. Iran on. its knees. It was completely broke. It didn't have the money to fund the. proxies to attack Israel like it did. last October 7th. You know, the Middle East, whatever. you think. I mean, the Abraham. Accords were a promise of.

peace in the Middle East, which had. been, you know, the mantra. of so many presidents for decades. And suddenly Trump comes. in and he kind. of starts to pull it off. And that was. anathema to the. blob controllers, because. the agenda, whatever agenda they. have, which I kind of think is. still opaque, I don't really. understand it completely. But. their agenda is is.

the opposite of what the American. people want. And that's why. Donald Trump didn't follow their. agenda and. that's why he was so successful. in foreign policy. And they don't want that. So I think that the idea. that he would become president again. is an existential. threat to them and their power. And that's why they will do whatever. it takes to ensure that. he doesn't win. And we've seen they've attacked.

him with lawfare, two assassination. attempts. They've totally demonized him. So half the country thinks he's. Hitler and it still. hasn't worked. If he does get elected, I think it's pretty clear he can't. really govern with a government like. the one we have now or the one we. had between 16 and 20. Do you think it'll be possible to, in four years uproot. the rot? I, I mean, no,

I don't think so. Although the thing is, he's much. wiser than we all are, than we were. I look back even in 2020. and think how naive we were. I mean, this happens all the time. Like in 2016. You think you're naive after the. Iraq war, you think you're naive, but you really. you can never be too cynical, I. think. And so he knows. a lot more now. And he knows he knew that the deep. State was a problem, but I don't. think he realized the extent they. would go to to cripple. his administration, which they.

pretty successful. He did. It's amazing. He achieved as. much as he did, considering he had. the Russia hoax hanging over him. The Mueller investigation, you know, he's just coming out of it. into the clear and then. Covid hit. So I. think he'll be older and wiser. I think he will not be as naive. about the people he puts around him. He admits himself that he made. mistakes in personnel. And I think that's why this. demonization of the project. 2025 or whatever it is from.

the Heritage Foundation, has been so effective because. they know that. what Trump needs is a really good. group of 2000 people to install. day one in his administration. And that was really the the. central premise of Project 2025. But I think he's got a good, good group of people like Howard. Lutnick, who knows about how. to hire. 2000 good people at a moment's. notice because he had to do it with.

Cantor Fitzgerald after September. 11th. So now he's got, you. know, Elon Musk, you, RFK Jr. I mean, he's got a phalanx of. smart people who are not. sort of traditional Republicans, but who are wise. about the deep state and the. kind of. existential threat to democracy. They are, even though they project. that and demonize Trump for. it. And so a lot of people,

Silicon Valley, they say. that Trump is actually. the answer and not. the problem. And so they're backing him. So you would hope. with that brains trust that he's. going to be able to at least make a. dent on it. I don't think in four years he's. going to be able to solve the. problem of the CIA, the FBI and. the State Department. But he'll probably fire, you know, the top three layers. and and it'll be messy. and they will probably stage.

I don't know. I mean, the worst. thing you can imagine, I don't want. to jinx it, but, you know, terrorist, domestic terrorist. attacks, America's been. thankfully free of that. Unlike England, Australia, most. countries have had Islamist. terrorist attacks, unlike America. So whether that's because. American culture intrinsically. sort of allows. immigrants to feel American.

so they don't hate America as much. or because know, CIA, FBI. did a great job. I don't know. But I would imagine that that. will be used as an excuse and a. way to weaken Trump. But he's only got one term. That seems likely to me. Is it? Yeah, I would think so. You know that and pulling the. supports out from underneath the. economy. Yes, because, yeah, Janet Yellen's been propping up. Joe Biden's economy in the stock. market.

Yeah. It's ugly. I just want to go back for one. moment to Biden's behavior. as vice president. Pretty out in the open. I mean, his son, Hunter, is flying. around the world raising money. on his father's name. What is Barack Obama, the then president, think of this? Yeah, that that was strange. I mean, he was aware. of Joe Biden's corruption. issues because. when they were vetting.

Biden to be vice president, this was. a major issue. And Hunter had to resign from. various lobbying gigs that he had. and was very resentful of it. In fact, he resented Obama. and the Obama White House because. they kept on putting Crimps on his. ability to use the White House. to make money. And like, for instance, when. when Hunter first joined the Burisma. board, his best. friend in business, Devin Archer, who has.

is now an anti Biden. person but was. then on the Burisma board with. with Hunter. He was invited with Hunter to the. White House to meet with. Joe Biden and ostensibly. for a school project. But what came out of it was a. photograph of Joe. Biden, the vice president, with. Hunter's business partner Devin. Archer. Just join the board of Burisma, that Burisma. Then Hunter took the photo, Burisma,

put that photo on their website, and that became a problem. for the White House when they. realized. So the sort. of ethics czar or the White House. counsel actually contacted. Hunter Biden's business partner, another business partner, and said, quick, take it down. So it was an emergency situation, but it was enough. It was sane and it was enough. of an embarrassment for David. Ignatius, of all people at. The Washington Post to write a. column excoriating.

Joe Biden for being so sloppy. David Ignatius being the CIA. spokesman in post. Yeah, Yeah. Foreign policy columnist. And like Philip Bump. So what about that? You spent your life in. journalism. You're the daughter of a famous. journalist. At what point did the overwhelming. majority of journalists become more. loyal to the CIA than to their. readers? Yeah, I don't know.

I mean, my father was a journalist. in Tokyo in the 1960s, and he said it was crawling. with spies then. So journalism, especially in the Cold War, was. full of, well, those August. publications like New York Times, Washington Post, full of spies back. then. I mean, your dad would. know as well from because he was a. journalist in that era. I think it was really journalism. and spies were. good friends and great sources. and also kind of.

interchangeable in some ways. So maybe nothing has changed. Well, I think that's actually fair. enough that you're saying it out loud. I think that is a design fact. I think I know for a fact that. that's true. So you're right. But the difference is that I think. the CIA used well, we used. to think I don't know if I even. question myself about this now, but. we used to think that they were on. the side of the angels, like. they were promoting truth, justice. and the American way. And that was a good thing. But I think. They've turned.

You know, they are now not acting in. America's best interest. I don't know if a rogue element has. has crept in. I don't know if you know, because they recruit smart. kids from universities and those. kids have already been brainwashed. John Brennan was a communist, you know, known to be. at one point. So maybe just the people. they're recruiting have changed the. culture of the CIA to be more. anti-American. Like, you know, the universities. are like the institutions are.

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agenda of the Blob, State. Department, DOD, CIA, NSA, all the other armed. federal agencies and. American voters. It's just not really a big overlap. between what one group wants and. what the country itself wants. So at some point, don't. journalists have to say, well, I. don't know, I'm supposed to. represent my my readers. or viewers? They don't seem to have any. sense of loyalty or obligation to. the people they're supposedly. serving. Yeah, but think about The New York.

Times and The Washington Post. Who are the people that they're. serving who who really. are the subscribers of The New York. Times? We don't have any visibility into. that. Do you think The New York. Times really cares if the CCP. buys up, you know, a million subscriptions at $1. a pop, The Washington Post, like they're. serving The Blob, that's their. people. They're the. Do you think it's possible that. foreign governments buy. subscriptions in bulk. to try to influence news.

organizations? I don't know. But it makes sense. I don't know if it is happening or. not because that's all proprietary. information. And why would The New York Times. look too closely at. the golden egg that the foreign. goose laid? Well, that's like. That's a fascinating possible thing. I mean, you know that foreign. governments, Intel services are all. over social media. I mean, all. Well, that's one of the. things we learned when Elon Musk was. on Twitter is that. foreign governments, a number of. foreign governments had employees.

working there. Well, and the CIA and the FBI had. if they were caught, there were so. many at. Twitter that they had like a. support group, like they had their. own Slack channel. Support. Group. And remember, James. Baker, the he was the. general counsel for the FBI during. all the. Right. He was involved in. all that Russia collusion stuff. He his he was certainly there. in the room. And then suddenly, eight months. before the 2020 election,

he gets parachuted into. Twitter as their number two. lawyer. And he was involved. We now know from the Twitter files. intimately in the censorship of. The New York Post. There were people. at Twitter, including the. much maligned y'all wrath, who was the chief censor? He was actually pushing back on this. FBI. Yes, CIA censorship. But James Baker. Came to ask you to pose. That's such a smart point. You're right. There something about. him. He just it was he was easy to.

hate and blame. But it turned out your wrath was by. far. He was a good. Guy. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's sad. Well, it is sad. Have you spoken to. him? No, but I've. He wrote a sworn declaration. for a separate. A separate court case. in which he was just honest. He said. that he was the one that told. us that the FBI came in and. and said, look out for this. Russian disinformation in October.

about under Biden. So I've always had a soft spot for. him. I thought, well, he's one of. the few people there who's been. truthful. You know, he doesn't seem to have an. agenda. You said that the FBI knew. I'm sorry. I'm jumping around, but. there's just so much. You said that the FBI knew that. the laptop was coming, your. reporting was on the way because. they were spying on Rudy Giuliani, the president's lawyer, which is. pretty shocking. Yes, they would do. that. They never found anything. Well, I know that we were being. surveilled at that at the I.

know for a fact, in October of 2020. My producers and I were being. surveilled. By the NSA. I don't know by somebody who. stole. a a hard drive with. images from Hunter's laptop out of. the UPS sorting center in New York. Do you have you ever thought that. because you've reported on this so. extensively for so long that maybe, you know, your communications are. not secure? I'm sure they're not. Yeah. And in fact,

when I talk to new. people, like there were some NYPD, former NYPD people. or FBI and NYPD people, they said to me, we're going to meet. We had to meet in person. They didn't trust. They said to me, your phones, you know, I. know you mean well, but there'll be. people listening in on you. So. So I'm just. Listening to the conversation in. the room through the mic on the. phone. I don't know. I don't know how they do it. I mean, just the fact we have our.

phones with us, people who are super. secure conscience, including Wall. Street people and so on. They leave their phones outside. But I kind of think I'm a. journalist. And so. if I'm meeting with. sources that don't want so I always. meet in person anyway, or we. communicate with encrypted apps. which are probably not safe, but. there are a couple that are maybe, okay. When your reporting was censored, did any body in the. White House press corps or any. fellow journalists you knew from. other publications extend.

sympathy and say to you like, I. think this is wrong. What's. happening? I mean, how did other. journalists respond? Well, the usual ones you would. expect would did so. the conservative ones. But no, I mean, I remember Maggie Haberman, who. used to work at The New York Post, now New York Times star, anti-Trump. person. She and but she's just a. normal reporter. Like she actually has good curiosity. still. And so. she tweeted our story because.

it was amazing. And there was another. reporter, young reporter, I think, from Politico somewhere who also. retweeted just like, look what The New York Post. described, October surprise. And they were like. excoriated on Twitter. by journalism professors for. having the audacity to. promote our story. What's a journalism professor? Yeah, exactly. A propaganda professor. Maybe that's what they are. Is it a job that requires a.

specialized degree, do you think? Yeah, I did a degree at. Northwestern, but no way. I did a I did a master's in. journalism, and it was the best. thing I ever did. Come on. No, it was brilliant. It was brilliant. This was in 96. So it was. it hadn't been polluted. And there were some fantastic real. journalists there. Chicago, not Columbia. So Chicago was okay then. Incredible. Yeah. No, it was wonderful. I learned so. much about, you.

know, just the basics of journalism. And there was no propaganda. Well, you just overturn my. preconception. But I think it's different now. Look, I think I look at north West. and I see what happens, but. And Columbia. And the difference is. that the new breed of. journalists think that they. have to change the world and that's. why they're slumming it and becoming. journalists and not going to Wall. Street. You know. I think if they were smart enough to.

lend money for a living, they would. think we're getting the dumb ones. So what what exactly happened. to Joe Biden? Is he still I mean, he. has escaped any punishment for. the many crimes that you've detailed. at some length. And I don't think that's. overstatement to say you've detailed. the crimes of Joe Biden. He's never been punished. Never will be, I don't think. Is he still running the country? Was he ever running the country? Well, that's right. Of course. Yeah. I mean, if you saw him in. 2020, in,

you know, on the campaign trail, basically in Iowa and New Hampshire, it was obvious that he was. cognitively shot. He'd have to have Dr. Jill lead him. across the stage to make. a stupid speech. He had. teleprompters dragged into tiny. town halls because no one was. interested in him just. to do basic stump speeches. that any other politician could do. in their sleep. So it was amazing. that things were rigged. and that people like Amy Klobuchar.

and Pete booted Judge just agreed to. step aside for him. But I guess he was. the only palatable, available candidate that they. had that they could pretend was a. moderate to the American people. And so but I. think with Joe Biden sort. of a mystery, everyone now is. saying, you know, he's senile. But I think with all these. like, cognitive decline problems, it's sort of waxes and wanes.

And and remember, he had those. aneurysms back in, I think, the. 80s. He had a couple of pretty serious. brain bleed, remember, very well. And brain operations. So you don't know how that factors. in and because I know. people and foreign foreign. sort of heads of state who have. met with Joe Biden. behind closed doors for. extended periods in Washington, DC from two different countries, and they said he was completely. lucid. This is halfway through his. presidency that I'm going, come.

on, no way. You know, you can tell me is off the. record. No, no, no. They said no. Absolutely. He was compos mentis. He was running the agenda. Everyone around him, like Antony. Blinken, was deferring to him. He only had like a a a. like talking points on a piece of. paper that he referred to. occasionally. But he was definitely in charge. So that's the good Joe Biden. But then someone. else I spoke to who was there at one. of those G-20 or. G-8 summit in Cornwall in.

England, said. that. And remember, there were there. was footage of Joe Biden's son. wandering around aimlessly and. looking lost. And apparently he. was completely out of it. There he was, you know, goosing. Boris Johnson's wife and. just acting very inappropriately. And and so so. I think that jet lag and, you know, the time of day when they. can't quite control his. environment, that he. the the senility sort of creeps.

in. But he still has. lucid moments and maybe long. moments. And we saw that every. time he had to do a big set piece. except the debate against. Donald Trump when it almost seemed. like they let him out without a. safety net. You know, late at night when. he'd been doing all this traveling. and it was almost like. he was set up to fail. And. I think now he probably, you know, he's had sleep. He doesn't he hasn't had to travel.

as much. He's vacationing all the time in his. beach house. So I think he's probably in the. best cognitive shape he's been in. for a while and he seems. to be pretty lucid. You know, when you see him out. giving speeches, when. he's undercutting Kamala Harris, as he did twice in the last few. weeks, you know, when he said she just she picked. a fight with Ron DeSantis over the. hurricane and. Joe Biden to seamlessly comes.

in and says, Ron DeSantis is a great. guy. You know, I talk to him all the. time. When he cut in, she was going to do. a big speech in Detroit where. she was going to take credit for. ending the longshoremen's. impending strike. And Joe Biden, just that. moment decides to make an appearance. in the Washington, you. know, the press room for the first. time ever. And, of course, all the cameras cut. from Detroit straight to Joe Biden. He didn't have much to say other. than to say that he.

and Kamala Harris were joined at the. hip, that we were singing from. this. You know, we're on the. Same page and she's trying to. turn the page. So I think that he's. and there's been reporting from. behind the scenes that he's angry. that Kamala Harris is trying to or. his campaign's trying to distance. her from him and throwing. him under the bus and trying to. reject biodynamics. She went to, I think, Pittsburgh and gave this economic. speech in which.

either Pittsburgh or Chicago, in. which she didn't mention Biden. nomics. She did not pay tribute to. Joe Biden for the fabulous economy. that he's given everyone. So he was angry about that, apparently. And Dr. Jill's angry as. well. Do you think it would be? I mean, come on. Harris has got to be as controlled. as Joe Biden was, Correct. Same people there, same people You saw there was a. letter like the dirty 51 letter. was they I mean, I got 251. people from the national security.

establishment, some of them. the same as the dirty 51. About 8 or 9 of them were the same, including Leon Panetta. And they were just saying that that. Kamala Harris is the most. competent commander. in chief, that we could have far. superior to Donald Trump. And she's so. unworthy of that. Incredible that these people would. put their reputations on the line. Leon Panetta, former CIA director, former congressman from California, kind of an idiot,

I can say, since I know him. Hard to believe you're in CIA, but. he is telling us that Kamala. Harris is the most qualified person. to be president. United States. Yeah. Yeah. Far superior in every way to Donald. Trump. She'll say that. Then you'll say anything like. Just like. That. Reality doesn't matter like. that. Hunter Biden's laptop is Russian. disinformation. They just lie. And they get away with it and. they're treated like. You know, eminent. people. So you're an Australian.

who's lived in the United States for. many, many years, I think it's fair. to say not speak for you, but you. love America. I think I was. Born in America. I'm an American. citizen. I was born true. I was born in Queens, New York. Just like Donald Trump. Really? Yes. How are you? Because my. I'm an anchor baby. Nice. So my parents were foreign. correspondent. My dad was a foreign. correspondent, and they. were in New York. So I spent my. first two years here. So, okay, so as.

an American citizen who lived in. this country along with. Dual national, one of those evil. globalists. Are you really you got another. passport? Yeah. And and I grew up in a lot of. countries, so I'm sort of. I'm one of those people. You are kind of rooted in a globe. Rootless. Cosmopolitan. Yeah. Yeah. So but, I. mean, sometimes people who've lived. a lot of places have a clear. perspective on this. If you have a country where nobody. believes in the leadership, doesn't. believe that they're morally. justified in what they're doing, doesn't believe they're telling the. truth about anything, assumes that.

their lips are moving. They're. lying, you know. How does your country continue? Do you need that trust to have a. voluntary system? Yeah. Democracy. But look, America is. the last country that. where there is some sort of freedom. and some sort of hope that. that, you know, the people. can take back control. of their government again. And I think that's because there's. a, you know, residual. feeling among Americans because of. the revolution, because they.

they are untamable like Donald. Trump, and they're. sort of outlaws in a way. And also, because of the the. Constitution, the First Amendment, the Second Amendment, you know, that. protects America from. the sort of censorship that we've. seen descend on Europe and. Australia and New Zealand. And, you know, I know from Australia. that, you know, people are like. frogs in boiling water. They don't actually realize what's. happened, particularly since Covid, Covid. Like Jane Fonda said, was.

a great boon to the left. She saw that very early on. and it allowed a lot of censorship. initially about, you know, to save. us our health because of Covid. to stop. Naughty scientists like Jay. Bhattacharya and Molly MacQuarrie. telling the truth about Covid, that. it wasn't actually as lethal as. everyone said and that masks made no. difference and. and that the vaccine was. not needed for young people and.

it was probably just bad. for them. So all of that censorship. that worked so well. when everyone was afraid, I think. gave a green light to the bad. guys in control, allowed them to see that, wow, we. could do that in Covid. We can do whatever we like. And that's what's happened in Europe. and Australia and, you know, England and in America. at how we see it. The good thing is that it's sort. of they've tried to do it and they.

sort of succeeded. And I did the deep dive on the. the laptop and saw it happen. there. And it happened with Covid. Even memes about Joe Biden. were being censored. But because of Elon Musk, because of the Twitter files. and because enough Americans have. woken up and are just, I don't know, in their DNA, they despise overlords. So they're rejecting. it. And I think that's what this. election is about. You know, you've got the untamable,

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have been possible now with. a with an open ax. No. So I do think Elon buying Twitter. is was a pivotal event in American. history. And I still don't understand why he. did it. Why do you. Think he did it? I kind of think it was. a mistake in a way. You sort of said that he sort of. it was a spur of the moment. whim. And then if he could have got. out of it, he probably would have, because it's been a terrible. burden for him. And he's now the target of.

so much sort of. lawfare and deep state. interference. And look, California's. just stopped him from being able to. set off some of his rockets. I mean, he's such a genius. He he managed you know, Nasser. needed him to rescue our astronauts. That should have been a huge scandal. that they had two astronauts up. there just abandoned and they. couldn't get them back. Elon is the only person who could. get them back. He just had a rocket. come back to earth when that. never happened before. And, you know, land back.

in the the launcher. or whatever it is. But, I mean, he's. just brilliant. And so they're trying to hobble him. He's hard to hobble, but I. think he's public enemy. number one next to Trump. I mean, as long as X is. open, as long as you have truth. telling or free speech at scale like. that, it's pretty hard. to turn your country totalitarian. Yes. So can they I mean, do you think the people you know, the John Brennan's of the world, the.

Barack Obama's the world people who. do want to make it Stalinist, do people like that allow X. to stay open? Well, see, what they've done, which. is clever, is that. only half the country is. sort of has been. red pilled and understands what's. going on. And the other half of the. country, which is the well-educated. part of the country that lives in. Washington and, you know, New York and. San Francisco and places and. earn lots of money and think of.

themselves as being superior. What's happened is that they've been. pitted against these troglodytes. of the right, you know, the ultra. MAGA, the semi fascist, as. Joe Biden called Trump supporters. And so Joe Biden did. a very good job of dividing. Americans against each other. And there really is now. just an accepted view. of half of America. as that they're fat, that they're morally inferior, that really we'd be better off.

without them. They're morally inferior. 100%. So Epstein's clients are calling. other people morally inferior. Exactly. Incredible. Do you know any of them, any of the people you're describing? Well, I live among them. I mean, I live in Manhattan. So, I mean, I see them. I guess I'm not great friends with. them, but they they. they I guess they're not our. readers, really. They're they're not necessarily. New York Post. So is that your sense that they have.

they have no idea what's. actually happening? No. They really didn't think Joe. Biden had dementia before that. debate. Well, they really thought the Covid. VAX stopped Covid. Yeah, I do think that. these people, you know, they. are so ignorant and naive. You see it when, like Martha Raddatz. interviewing J.D. Vance, I think. she genuinely thought to herself, what's a few apartment complexes, a handful of apartment complexes. being taken over by Venezuelan.

gangs of illegal migrants. Big deal. I mean, she really that's the way. they think. It's not that they're. making it up. It's just that they live in this. bubble because they. didn't really know that there was an. illegal migrant invasion going. on because The New York Times, The. Washington Post never told them. Start in Bethesda, should be. in Bethesda. Yeah, it kind of yeah, it's creeping. around. I mean, it's in New York. It's very hard to ignore it now in. New York. But the clever thing they do about. that is they they conflate.

migrants. They just call them migrants so. that it looks like Donald Trump is. anti-immigration, which he's not. He's what he is, is anti-illegal. immigration. And when you have 10 to. 15 million, maybe more illegal. migrants that you haven't vetted. as as Clinton, just. let the cat out of the bag the other. day come in to rape and. murder and pillage and take over. apartment complexes in Aurora, Colorado. I mean, that's a huge problem. And that's something that The.

New York Times, The Washington Post. kept from their readers. So they so. so while conservatives. or Trump supporters, we know everything. We know reality because. we know the real reality via X. and and sort of fringe. conservative publications like the. New York Post. But we also know their reality. because it's forced on us. We have to live in that reality. I mean, maybe not in northern. Maine, but certainly if you live in.

New York or L.A. or anywhere Chicago, you know, you are aware of. the the contempt. with which these people hold. conservatives and Trump supporters. And and. they don't they live in their. bubble. They're not aware of. reality like the migrant invasion. They're not really probably aware of. Joe Biden's senility because. because, you know, when those videos are shown.

endlessly on Hannity, for. instance, of Joe Biden bumbling. around, getting lost on a stage, all. those things falling upstairs, they don't really see those. And they were they were trained. into thinking that anyone who. shows those, it's it's false. It's what was that fake word they. had? Like deepfakes, cheap fakes. Yeah, cheap fakes. So they're so naive and. so propagandized. But the journalists themselves are. And you see the CNN panels. now where this Kentucky.

Republican called Scott Jennings. goes on and kind. of red pills them. And they're all just astounded. that he's telling them just these. basic things that that. any normal. Happening in their. But they have no sense of it because. they're all in Newton, Mass. Or Martha's Vineyard or whatever. And they only consume the. media that propagandizing. them and keeps them in the dark. So they're openly cut off. I mean, they're what the hippies. used to accuse their parents of. being. They're totally out of touch. The latest. Exactly.

Living in a wealthy. Yeah. Yeah. Nothing affects. Them. But so why wouldn't. I mean, a fair country for. Martha Raddatz to live in an Ms13. controlled housing project for a few. years? Well, she. Probably will soon. I mean, that's what's going to. that's the effect. of this invasion. It's it every single part. of America eventually is. going to including. All over the state of Maine for for. the record really filled are filled. with African immigrants who have. filled the city. absolutely.

And they've been flying. Immediately, you know, falling. apart, displacing the people who are. born there. Yeah. Landlords are paid to give. preference to non-citizens. from Africa over. American citizens. Right. And in housing, not. just public housing, but just in any. housing in the in. the state of Maine. Yeah, and that's. true in rural places around the. country. The country's as the worst. things ever happen in the United. States, including the Civil war. And people just are kind of ignoring. it. Well, Springfield, Ohio, that was. the genius of Donald Trump.

Yes. Eating the cat, stealing. the pets. I mean, and it became memes and. and, you know, the fact checkers. at New York Times, Washington Post. just very angry with him for. telling lies. And they went searching for cats. that were Asian and claimed they. were none. But the brilliance. of that one line was it just brought. the focus on Springfield, Illinois, and other towns, Springfield, Ohio, and other towns like it that have. been inundated secretly. in the dead of night with planeloads.

of illegal migrants brought. from the border like we tracked them. into Westchester. We're pretty much the only media. that were there at three in the. morning at Westchester Airport. watching these planeloads of. illegals arrive and get put. into busses that had their names. blanked out and just driven. off to the Tri-State area, dropped. off at their truck. stops on the New Jersey Turnpike. and taken away by God knows who. And that was happening.

That was the summer of 21, and. that was happening all over the. country and has been Mallorca's has. orchestrated this amazing. kind of infiltration of every. corner of the country. You can almost see them with a map. looking at like red areas. and going and. Literally facilitating the movement. of. Human beings. through the daring gap up through. Latin America in the United States. Marcus himself doing that. Since flying them in as well, Like.

from. Of course. So so now they tell you you can't. say that they're illegal migrants. You get fact checked to death. They are illegal. But it's just that they've been. given this humanitarian parole. that makes them. they can't be deported. So they're still illegal, but. they're in this sort of netherworld. that the Biden administration is. created so that they can pretend. that the illegal migration invasion. has sort of slowed down. Yeah, total destruction of the. country. It's hard to even think. about it. It's so distressing.

Was such a nice place. So how. Okay, so Joe Biden, we're. right in the middle of this. So it's hard to get perspective on. Biden. And he's kind of fallen out of the. headlines because the party. decided that he was no longer useful. and they replaced him. But how will history understand. Biden, do you think? Well, I hope that the. mythology that Joe Biden built. for himself over 50 years is. completely punctured. He did have like several of these.

historians used to come to the White. House all the time and whisper sweet. nothings in his ear and tell him he. was the second coming of FDR. So they well, whatever happened to. that? There was a kid from. new kid my age. who used to be the editor of. Newsweek, a particularly anxious. little toady from. What's his name? Tennessee. Yes, he's an Episcopalian. I know that. I remember that because. I am. To an awful. little creepy guy. Yeah, he's one of them. But so here's the speechwriter. That's exactly right.

And he was a journalist. Yeah. Yeah. Do you think I mean, just. Just really quick, do you think when. someone like that shows up to tell. Joe Biden, who's effectively. an intellectual invalid, you know, you are parallelize your. Churchill Like, what do you think. they believe that? No, but I mean, what access. they have, they're just almost. giddy. You see them on MSNBC, They're just giddy with their own. self-importance because who. gets invited like eight. times to the White House?

I think they go into his residence. and he just loves that. Like, tell me more about myself and. how consequential. I don't. Know. I've been invited. more than eight times. The White House. I've never kissed. anybody's ass. I don't I don't understand. You all's uncontrollable. No, but I'm. I feel like I'm pretty. moderate, sensible person. But I don't know. I'm an adult, man. I don't want to. But you don't have. any thrown. Not all. That's all they have. They want. They want prestige. They want to be. It's so low. Yes. Do you think discuss. If you've got children, What do they.

think of you as you're telling. Joe Biden, he's impressive. Like, how does your family respect. you if you talk like that? I don't know. I don't I don't get. it. Do they? Probably don't. Well, I think that's probably right. Yeah. Sorry I interrupted you. No, it's fascinating that. they're gross those those. historians. But. I think I think ultimately. that there is enough. You know, the Republicans, even. though they're Jon. Meacham. Is the. Jon Meacham.

That's him. Yeah. Tiny little man. in stature in spirit. Yeah. It's just a. and it's interesting. I remember I knew him. sort of because I think we're. born the same year, 1969, I'm pretty sure. And I remember in the 90s being at. some event, some party. Tina Brown's house in New York, and. he was there and he was like the. editor of Newsweek. And I remember thinking, Wow, that's. a pretty amazing job for a man who's. not even 30, maybe, maybe 30. And and then I realized over time,

getting to spend more time with him, he just all. he did was kick ass. That's it. It was like his whole gig. was just sucking up. Yeah. And it's. It's not good to have a. system where that's rewarded. He would have been in his element at. at Tina Brown party in Manhattan. I know I shouldn't eat well I mean I. was 29 myself I yeah. that's my excuse. But Newsweek is not what it used to. be. I mean, I think he barely. presided over the fag end of. it. I think, you know, they. would have put anyone in there and.

it wasn't as it seemed prestigious. at the time, but it wasn't really. prestigious. When you. Say he presided over the fag end of. it, what do you mean. Just the end? Just the end. Okay. Just the end. Sorry, I'm not going there. So. So, Biden, we had. this period like maybe a year ago. when people were telling us that. Biden was a true statesman, probably the greatest president we. ever had. Sharp as a tack. And then in one day back. in June, it became clear that was. all I had. Like this guy couldn't even.

find his way back to his bedroom. Except when he could. Except when he could. Yeah. Let me ask you about that. What was that? I mean, do you So we. went in one day from, you know, having to listen to Morning Joe tell. us how brilliant he was to Morning. Joe admitting that he was. demented. Was that a set up? I just think that when. Pelosi and Schumer and. whoever is behind things. decided that he was a liability, Joe Biden, because he was.

not popular, he couldn't win the. election. Trump was trouncing. him in the polls. So and he's just repellent. You know, people got to know him. and realize that the mythology of. Joe Biden is honest. Joe Middle-Class, Joe from. Scranton. All of that was a lie, that he's actually an incredibly. prideful, boastful, like pathological liar. I mean, we saw that with. the plagiarism, but also just those.

self-aggrandizing stories he tells. all the time about, you know, he's. there with Nelson Mandela, like every big historic thing. that happened. He's in the center of. it. He's very much like Tim Walz in. that way. So people came to see that and see. how ridiculous he was. And also at the worst, I think. was just how nasty he. is. And I think, you know, he's. lost that filter in his brain. that stops him from from. publicly losing his temper. I'm sure at home he was losing. his temper and a lot.

with his you know, and I think. that's partly Hunter's problem. But we saw that on. stage. And, you know, when he's. wagging his finger and. and snarling about ultra. MAGA, I think that's. not very American. Americans seem to me to be very. cordial, generous, spirited people. And I think that. Who have affection for each other, who have. Affection for each other. Yeah, very much so. And I think that. congeniality to me is one of.

the striking aspects of America. that's quite different from. Other English speaking countries. I've been in so. and so. So he Biden. is sort of the opposite of that. He really is. Although he's picked pitched. as sort of Mr. America. I think he's very un-American in a. lot of ways. And he. is very admiring of. people like Antony Blinken, Europhiles. He's not like that. He's not well-educated, but he. really admires those State.

Department types who, you know, are patrician and. went to finishing school in. Switzerland. And he does. and went to school in. Yeah. Antony Blinken. Well, Antony Blinken went to school. in Paris, as we know. Right. But he finds that impressive. Yes. Very much. Insecure. Son of a car dealer. Yeah. So easily won by. dumb affectations. Like, I mean, Blinken's like. I mean the way he dresses. Who? Joe Biden. He shamima critical. He did this incredibly insightful.

interview with the young senator. just after he came to Washington, just after his wife and. and baby daughter were killed in. a car crash that Hunter was in. and was injured in. And Joe biden's there in. his office. And she described him as. dressing like The Great Gatsby, like very elaborate, very expensive. clothes and. boasting about his, like, sex life with his ex-wife, with his full size dead wife.

saying, you know, all the guys were. jealous of me because we had the. best sex. And. and then saying. He said that out loud. Yeah. You have to read this Kitty Kelley. piece. It's so illuminating. I quoted huge chunks of. it in Laptop From Hell. It's brilliant. And. And then he talks about all these. women are throwing themselves at. him. And then he does this other. boast because he grew up just. admiring the Kennedys. Catholics like him, Democrats. And he just he tried to recreate.

the Kennedy compound. He used to go to Nantucket, rather, Martha's Vineyard. If you look at his political. career, he's really modeled it very. much on the Kennedy clan. And he wanted to have a, you know, the Kennedy kind of. dynasty. So his son, Beau, was supposed. to be the next generation, and. sadly, he died of brain cancer. But Joe. Biden, I think, just in that interview shows. who he really is. And it's quite a disgusting.

portrayal of himself. And he he talks about. the Kennedys and he says, Rose. Kennedy's calling me all the time. inviting me for dinner, but I'm too. busy. That's just unbelievable. So it sounds like I mean, you really. spent a long time. learning about reading about doing. interviews about Joe Biden. How did your view of him change. the more you learned? Well, I mean, initially I used. to like him because I thought, gosh, he's a moderate Democrat.

You know, he's a Democrat that I. could live with. It's like he's. great. And I, I went full. circle. I find him. deeply dishonest, deeply flawed. I think he was a terrible father. You do? Yeah. How? Well, you see the product? Yes. Right. Welfare. And both his children, Hunter and Ashley, have. Proven like they've admitted drug. problems. And I think Hunter.

was a motherless boy. His mother had been killed. and Joe Biden had just got this. huge job in Washington the. opportunity of his lifetime. He wasn't going to give that up to. stay home with these two motherless. boys. So he went. He said, you know, I was going to. But then people talk me out of it. And so he goes to D.C. He gets immediately adopted by. all these grand. Pooh bars of the party because their. wives were telling them all this. poor everyone, the whole of America, their heartstrings were tugged by.

this tragedy of this young widow. I mean, it was a terrible tragedy. But Joe Biden exploited it. in the most cynical fashion. Just that photograph, which when. I first saw, I was like everyone. else, like I just felt desperately. sad for these two little. bandaged boys in the hospital bed. in the foreground of the photographs. where Joe Biden is being sworn in. as senator by their bedside. just after his wife's been killed. And you think to yourself, wow. But then when you see other.

photographs pulled back and you see. that hospital room is full. of just dozens and dozens. of photographers and reporters and. everything, and the kids look quite. distressed as they would. be. And why did he do it. there? Why didn't he get sworn. in in the corridor outside, you. know, or somewhere else? He did it because he knew the power. of that image. And it was brilliant. And he used it in every campaign. since. But it's cynical. And to be able to have the presence. of mind to do that tells you.

a little bit about how ruthless he. is and how fixated. on power he is. And I think that was. you know, I think that was the. experience for Hunter. And you see that in a lot of the. private, you know, which I. read by didn't publish a lot of it. but the the musings. he's quite a good writer. He's highly intelligent, I think. more intelligent than his father. At least he's not. I think Joe Biden's probably. illiterate. I mean, you from that. little bit of writing that he's done.

on the laptop, he doesn't spell he's. he's got that trademark spelling. problems that, you know boys who never learn to. read have. And so I think Joe's probably. cleverer than we think, but he just. is illiterate. Like he can't read very well. It's what really. Yeah, I think that's why he has such. a problem with, like, the worst. thing you could do to Joe Biden is. put him in front of a teleprompter. And I think, yes, I mean, cognitively he's slipped. But also, I don't think he.

like you notice when he comes across. words that are long. or complicated or like. people's surnames that you can't. guess. He's he just can't do them. So. And, you know, I mean, I've. done a lot of stories about. phonics, you know, the failure of. kids to be taught properly, especially boys, especially clever. boys who. have dyslexia or something. It's really that a third of boys. will never learn to read.

by that look and say that guessing. way. They have to be taught to sound. things out by phonics. And I think when Joe Biden was. being taught by the nuns, they. just didn't teach him that way. So a lot of boys of his era. slipped under the cracks. And so and I think he was clever. enough to be able to get by by. memory and cunning. He's renowned as not really reading. his briefs. You know, he can be he can. be told something and remember it.

But you look at him in in those. Senate hearings, he just. fly by the he just talks. Notes in in the texts. and emails on Hunter's laptop. How does he come across? Has he come across? There's not a lot of him. It's just a shadow of him. He he cares about. Hunter but he cares about him. Is is absent until. he's about to announce that he's. running for president. Then he really cares about Hunter. Like, where are you. going? To get your drugs under.

control sort of thing and. dispatched his brother to go and put. Hunter in rehab. And the reason Hunter was so angry. in April of 2019 when he. abandoned his laptop. was because he felt that. his family, Joe, although. he doesn't say it to Joe, threw him under the bus and. he blames Joe's staff. But it was really Joe because. there was a Maureen Dowd column. that Hunter was particularly enraged. about, which was basically. saying that Joe Biden's running for.

president. But the big albatross. around his neck is his loser. son, Hunter, who's a drug addict. And Hunter was furious. And that's where all those texts and. emails come out that he says, you. know, I've supported this family. for years. I've given half my salary to. dad. You know, how. how dare you all treat me with such. disrespect? He was absolutely. furious. And his relationship with his. father is so complicated. because he adores.

him as his only parent. after his mother was killed. But he also is like. he's just his hostage because there. is no mother, no. somebody who loves you more than. than he like that. They love Joe, that loves that. child. And so he was sort of. a victim of Joe Biden's. selfishness and whims and. the entire Biden family. So Joe's sister, Val,

moved in to take care of the boys. after Joe left. Joe said he was commuting every. night from from Washington. on Amtrak. But I'm told that's. not really true, that when. he did come home that the boys. were already in bed, so maybe had. breakfast with them the next. morning. But he wasn't a present, Dad. But Val was fantastic. His sister really sacrificed. her first marriage to. look after those boys, and. Hunter regards her as his. real mother.

And then Joe Biden comes into the. picture a few years later and. she's sort of the main stepmother. that that hunter. doesn't get on with. Beau got on. with her because Beau was the. perfect child, golden. haired boy. But Hunter was like a. little bit ADHD, a little bit. rebellious, a bit naughty. and used to get in trouble. And I think that didn't work with. Joe. And so he and Joe had a. difficult relationship. And so, you know, I think Hunter loved. his father, but also deeply resented.

him and resented the fact that. Joe put Beau, the older brother, by one year and. one day on a pedestal. and saw Beau as being, you know, the inheritor. of the Biden dynasty political. dynasty. And Hunter was sort of the spare. that was supposed to go out and earn. the money that would allow. Joe and Beau to be clean. politically. So Hunter wanted to be.

an artist or a novelist. And he's quite a good artist and. quite a good writer. But he wasn't allowed to. He had to go and work for his. father's, you know, donors in Delaware and this really. boring job and credit card company. MBNA, for a hugely. inflated salary that allowed him. to pay off his. Yale Law School and Georgetown. University fees, but also Beau's. university tuition so that. Joe. He paid off his brother's student. loans. Yeah.

So Joe never had to put his hand in. his pocket for anything. And that's where people miss. the point of how Joe benefited. That's amazing. Hunter Biden paid Bo's college. tuition. He complains about it to his. Aunt Val. He said dad didn't pay a penny. That's amazing. Yeah. So he has every right. to be resentful about that, I think. I think so, yeah. So as the youngest son's the. workhorse, paying for.

the pretty lavish. lifestyles and political careers of. his older brother and dad. Exactly. And Joe knew that. And he knew that Hunter had. at least a substance abuse problem. That was evident. I mean, he was arrested at 18 for. cocaine. Right. And laid off. So he had this problem. Joan knew about it, and yet Joe. allowed him to. take, you know, millions of dollars. in unaccountable cash, which.

was, to a drug addict, just an impossible temptation. Hunter actually says that in. his memoir. He says that the Burisma money, when. it was coming in $83,000 a month. that just sent him into a complete. spin, fell off the wagon. And what kind of a loving. father does that to his addicted. son? It. My read on it is that. Joe does love his son, but in. a kind of narcissistic. Yes, infantile way. Exactly. Narcissistic way where it's.

all about the reflected glory. of his son, but not really about the. son. Yeah. And that's hard if you're a. sensitive person. Well, it's awful. It's absolutely. awful. And Hunter was a legit. drug addict. Yeah. You know, tormented by the. desire to be high all the time. Yeah. And so what role does. Jill. Dr.. Pardon me, Dr. Jill play in all. this? Well, she seemed. actually, in one way, I thought she. was a bad wife.

Like, unlike Nancy Reagan, who. was always at her husband's. side to make sure that he didn't. get humiliated. I couldn't understand why Jill. Biden wasn't there with. Joe when he was getting lost on. stage and just looking like a fool. on camera. She should have been more present, but she wasn't. In a lot of ways, because she was. out on the campaign trail herself. She was taking Air Force. One to Paris and, you know, just doing. her own campaigning, supposedly campaigning.

But she loved it. I think she loves the glory. She's got this factotum. working for her. Anthony Cunningham, his name. He's a sort of gay. one of those sort of men. that attaches themselves to. These sort of gay or or pretty gay. I think he's pretty gay. Yeah. And he's. But he is. He is Joe's everything. She calls him her work husband. And he's made himself. invaluable to her. Sounds totally healthy and normal.

Yeah. Yeah. Your wife takes off for Paris and or. for some. Some gay dude while you're. stumbling around Lost on stage. Well, at least you know she's not. having an affair with him now. No, of course. Right. Every palace has eunuchs. Yeah. But I think he's. very powerful behind the scenes. Yeah. And he was involved at the. very end. When Joe is trying to cling on to. power, he and Hunter were there in. the inner sanctum. So. And I think maybe he's part of. the reason why Joe is so, like, such an LGBT.

champion, you know, partly to sort of. curry favor with his wife's favorite. person. Sounds like the sickest environment. imaginable. Like there are no healthy. relationships. There's no honesty. There's no peace. I mean, that. That's what you're. describing. Yeah. Seems terribly unhealthy. Terribly dysfunctional family. Which is ironic because Joe's. always created this mythology that. so many people have bought, that. they have got the closest.

family in the world, that he's the. best father in the world. And it's just this tragic, you know, circumstance that Hunter. has a DNA predisposition. to be a drug addict, nothing to do. with his upbringing. And yet Donald Trump is. treated like a complete monster and. all. Everything I've observed about his. interactions with his adult children. is positive. And his grandchildren, like they. adore him in a genuine way, not in a fearful,

fake way. They really have a good. relationship, and I don't think. people see that as much. I think the campaign's trying to. show a few videos of the grandkids, but it just it seems. very natural to me, his interaction. with his family. Did you in all of your reporting. on Biden, detect core beliefs? No. Other than power. for himself. Self-aggrandizement. Power? No. No core beliefs. He he was. adopted early on by the people.

who gave him his core beliefs. And that was that he was. basically a warmonger. I mean, he was into, you know, enlarging Naito in being. pugilistic about. Yugoslavia. You know, he wanted to bomb. Yugoslavia. He and. We did. I'm really glad we did. It was, I think, very important to. kill all those people in Yugoslavia. Any idea why we did that? 30 years later, does anyone even. remember that? No idea. I bought the lies.

Actually. At the time. I never understood what they were. I was so confused by that. Something about Slobodan Milosevic. being bad. I remember George W Bush. was going on about Slobodan. Milosevic always mispronouncing his. name. But I remember thinking, I'm sure he's bad, you know, foreigner, whatever. But. Why was he bad and why should I. care? No one ever explained. What was that? Do we know? No, I don't know. I bought the same lies that everyone. else did back then. I believed we. Killed a ton of Christians over. There. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's been a dreadful disaster.

It still is for that part of the. world. And Joe Biden just. wanted to bomb them like he. was sorry he was way out. there and he'd go on NBC and so. on and say, just bomb them all. That was what he was like. And I don't think it was. I mean, he was just taking his. marching orders and or. not his marching orders, his agenda. And then he just, like with. everything and goes too far. But, you know, he's been at the. center of a lot of bad. policy, foreign policy.

for America from the beginning. and from for a guy that's. not very is is ignorant. really about the world he's. now. Put up as some sort of foreign. policy guru. Back in 2000, I think. it was, he was instrumental. in getting the World Trade. Organization to accept China, which. was detrimental to. America, hollowed out America's. manufacturing and middle class. And that was something during the. Clinton administration that Bill.

Clinton didn't want. Republicans wanted it, but the. Democrats Joe Biden. had to twist the arms of his. Democrat colleagues in the Senate. to get it over the line just and. convince Bill Clinton. So but as Bush, you signed it. eventually 2000. Yeah. But that was done in the. Clinton years. And the and it was the the. the Democrat senators. that were instrumental. in having if they had stuck to their. guns, that would never have been.

signed and China would never have. been. And Biden whipped that. He led the support for it. I never realized until I look back. at it and I thought, wow, interesting. So and because I. don't think my thesis is he doesn't. have any core beliefs, then. that must have been his sort of. marching orders or not. If you you've got marching orders. But the suggestions that the people. who who he owed his career to. gave to him was we want China. in the WTO. So he just goes about. making it happen.

And he was very persuasive. I mean, he was very powerful in the. Senate for many years, which is. a terrible indictment. Of the Senate. Yeah. I mean, he's there are a lot. of people like that still in the. Senate, you know. A lot. Well, it was best friends with Mitch. McConnell. Well, I don't think his his politics. and Mitch McConnell's are identical. I mean, Mitch McConnell will be and. I think Mitch McConnell slightly. creepier even than Biden in person. But is that possible? I think Mitch McConnell is pretty. darn creepy. Yeah. And even weirder personal.

life. Yeah. Yeah. No, he looks like a snapping. turtle. Not his fault. I always liked him. He. He. He gave beautiful speeches. He's very smart. Yeah. McConnell's a bit legitimately. smart. There's no doubt about it. And he's been great on a bunch of. topics, but he's voting. for Kamala Harris. There's no doubt in my mind. Yeah, that's. interesting that he was close to. McConnell, So you. didn't really see any redeeming. qualities to Biden's career? None. No. I think if he'd never existed, well, they would have found someone else.

That's the problem. I think he was the perfect cipher. because he came in so young to the. Senate. You know, he's 29 when he. accidentally won against. an old time Republican in Delaware. In fact, a guy called his name was. Caleb J. Boggs. And the irony is that when Hunter. Biden went. and was convicted in that gun. trial, gone felony trial in June. in Delaware, he it was. done in the Caleb J.

Boggs courthouse. Amazing. Yeah. So Boggs was a huge. you know, he was a huge. influence in Delaware. So it was really a David versus. Goliath operation. that Joe Biden just flew out by. a few thousand votes. And the story that's. told is that. he did it because the Teamsters. union staged. a strike of the trucks that were. taking the newspaper out with that. with Boggs the final weekend, Boggs.

had this huge double page ad. slamming Joe for some sort of. corrupt dealings. And and that was going to damage. Joe and maybe would have swung the. election. But the Teamsters. successfully stopped those. trucks with those newspapers going. out its equivalent of the 2020. The exact same thing. Right. So that's the 1972. version of taking the laptop. story off social media. Exactly. He's an expert at. Amazing, isn't. It? So do. you ever fear.

You know, when you and I are. gone and our generation. is gone, that our great. grandchildren will be reading. stories about what a hero Joe. Biden is in their history books. And they probably will because. especially, I think part of the quid. pro quo for him going quietly for. Kamala was that he gets a. presidential library. And you can imagine the. sycophancy that's going to go on. in that library about what a great. man he is. So I think that but I think there's.

enough on the public. record, particularly James. Komer, who gets trashed. a lot because he didn't do enough, they say, in the impeachment. inquiry. But he actually managed to put on. the record a lot of evidence to. show that Joe Biden. was involved in that family's. influence peddling scheme, that this. is where the money went, that there were two $250,000. checks, 10% of. a couple of deals that Jim Biden. and Hunter were involved in that. went to Joe Biden that were.

were the check memo. says it was a loan. repayment. And that's what Joe Biden maintains. and James Comey was never able to. prove otherwise. So we have to give Joe Biden the. benefit of the doubt there. However, it is part. of a pattern of money, the money trail and how it gets. to the Biden family. 10% for the big guy. You know, that deal never happened, but I think it probably reflected. the way Hunter's. sort of business has worked.

that Joe would get something. Joe Hunter was certainly paying for. some of Joe's maintenance and upkeep. on his Delaware estate. And Joe Biden. Estate is not too strong. I was a former DuPont house, enormous house that Hunter grew up. in. Yes. And with the ballroom. Yeah. And then. I know from having friends and. relatives in that town, Greenville, Delaware, that he never paid any. of the workmen, you know, stiff. the firewood guy and the landscaper. and the caterer. And, you know, they're always after.

him for money. Really screwed the little guy. consistently and was famous in the. neighborhood for doing that. It's incredible, isn't it? It is what is incredible. It is very low, the lowest. But how did he I always wondered, how did he afford to live in a. 12,000 square foot house on a. Senate salary? Well, he will tell you he was just. lucky with real estate. And so all the way through even. became. his just the donors, you know, like. he they buy his houses. At an inflated cost.

and he'd buy houses. for a lower cost. Same with Hunter. Hunter bought places, same thing. And just. there was just a magic carpet. ride for him. Whatever transaction that he entered. into, he was looked after. And so the house he has now, he. built from scratch, custom built. beautiful tradesmen from. Philadelphia that built the best. mansions. And it's you remember. when during the 2020 election, he was always mocked for being in. his basement.

Well, and you saw the basement a. little bit. That basement is the. most magnificent and. custom built, wood paneled. mahogany grand. study library with. books everywhere, pieces. of historic furniture that he's. bought from the White House. You know, he's he's you could hear. the honking geese outside in the. lake because it's a lakefront. property. He used to call it the. lake house. But I think people. teased him about it because it's a.

very small manmade pond, really. So now he he doesn't. call it a lake anymore because. No, it's not like it's just a pond, but a gorgeous house. And it's got a swimming pool and a. boat jetty and a cottage. for the, you know, the Secret. Service to stay in. It's all what a poser. What a what a hollow man. Absolutely. With massive social anxiety. I was the pathetic thing, actually. Yes, it's quite it's almost. sad. But, I mean, he's done so much.

damage to so many people, I can't. feel sorry for him. I love how resolute. you're in your opinions of Joe. Biden, since you're one of the only. people in America who has the. right to those opinions. Because you know more than anybody. about Biden. Well, Hunter probably has more. But, you know, being a son, you sort. of brainwashed from a very early. age. It's hard. Yeah. In a child with one parent. Of course. Clings desperately to that parent no. matter what the parents like. Yes. That's just the way it is. Yes. What happens to Hunter? He'll get pardoned.

Okay. So he's been convicted. on. Gun felonies in Delaware. And also he pleaded guilty. on the first day of the trial in. California in September. to these various tax felonies, all of which well, certainly the. tax felonies should carry a. jail sentence. But he is to be sentenced. on both of those after the election. And even though Joe Biden. has said, no, I will never pardon my. son, he said that once and he didn't.

really say it very vigorously. He was just asked in a. I think, a CBS interview, and he. just he said will use pardons. And he goes, no. And that was it. After that, the White House has. been vigorous, said, no, he the. president said he won't do it. He won't do it. I have no doubt that. he's going to pardon Hunter, you know, as anybody would. I mean, really, if it was your son, would you want him to go to jail? So I'd pardon. my son in the second. Of course, everybody would. And and and therefore, Joe.

Biden would get away with it. Like everyone will say, the media. will say, you know, it's a. it's his only surviving son. How can you blame him? If anyone criticizes it, they'll. be called cruel and heartless. So, of course. So Joe Biden is going to get away. with I mean, probably. not for eternity. Will he get away with it? But for. the here and now, he's getting away. with it. Yeah, but I think his reputation. has been damaged and now people. know. Well, the evidence is there for. people to know the truth about Joe.

Biden. And any honest historian is. going to include. the fact that he really sold out the. country. And you can look. at his presidency and his attitude. towards China and how he unwound. a lot of the Trump era, get. tough on China policies, some of them inexplicable, like, for instance, even Christopher. Wray, the CIA, the FBI director, has complained bitterly. about the fact that Biden. dismantled this very good program. in the universities that was.

supposed to stop China. stealing American intellectual. property, spying on on. our academic institutions. And research universities. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, there have been. academics that have gone to jail. through this program and been busted. and Chinese firings have been. busted. And for some unknown. reason, there was nothing positive. for America about dismantling it. Joe Biden quietly dismantled. it. It's bizarre. Well, the only way.

That it was defensive, not. offensive. We were trying to protect. ourselves from the theft. of research. And I've asked why. What possible justification is that? And they said it was racist. because it was targeting Chinese. Really? Yeah. It's racist. Yeah. Just like calling the. Wuhan virus, saying it came from. China was racist. It wasn't. But that's what they tagged. Donald Trump with. Just to without getting again to. sidetrack. But really quickly, it.

seems like that virus was created. in the Wuhan lab in part with U.S. tax dollars. Yes. I mean, I think I don't know. that it was deliberately released at. all. I think that was an accident. But 100%. EcoHealth Alliance, run by this absolutely repellent. man, Englishman, called Peter. Daszak. He ran this. weird little company that has an. office in Manhattan but. really does no research of its own. But it gets these massive grants. from Dapa, which is.

basically an arm of the Department. of Defense, and. that's what it lived on. And it and what. he did, EcoHealth. Alliance with the help of Anthony. Fauci was bypass. the Obama era moratorium. on gain of function. Frankenstein research on. viruses and. he funneled basically this. of money US taxpayer money. through to the Wuhan Institute of. Health where he coauthored.

some papers, even though he's an. idiot. But he coauthored papers. with the bat lady there and the. scientist and, you know, all these fantastic. whistleblowers who've come out. from the scientific community have. pinpointed that. the work that they did on. the viruses where they humanized, humanized mice to. make the virus more lethal to. humans. That was all occurring in that lab. And it was a very.

low security. bio lab. Unlike if that kind of research is. done in America, it would have been. done at a higher level, even though. there's still that risk of leakage. But in that Wuhan lab, of course, it. was going to leak. And so it was just a disaster. waiting to happen. And it was done because. Anthony Fauci was so. antagonistic to the group. of scientists who were sounding. the alarm about gain of function. research and new factory lab's. gain of function research.

He thought that was going to make. him immortal, that they were going. to find the vaccine for viruses. Right. And. so and he you know, there are. photographs of him with does. There are emails that have been. uncovered of him with does that. you know, they were it was obviously. a subservient relationship on days. he worshiped Fauci. But Fauci was friendly with him. And Fouchier says he doesn't know. anything about these Dapa. grants. But someone who. worked who's who's used to work.

with with does it. at EcoHealth Alliance and left. sort of under a cloud. He's become a form of a. whistleblower. I don't I've talked. to him a little bit. I'm not 100%. certain of how valid he. is, but this is what he says. He says that the CIA. approached Peter Daszak. about sort of helping them. because he was so embedded with the. Chinese. And the Wuhan lab apparently was. some sort of military. research was going on there.

So you could understand the CIA. wants to have some. sort of eyes and ears and desert. would have been useful. And Daszak So while. this whistleblower didn't personally. see the CIA approach, Daisuke. asked him about it a couple of. times. And and he and. the whistleblower believes that does. it did end up working. sort of as an informant for the CIA. Amazing. And I'm sure we'll never know. You know the truth about a lot of. what you just said.

But what we do know, I think. conclusively is that it came from. that lab. It was loosed on the. world. And as the Biden. administration never ceased telling. us, millions died. Yes. So whether it was intentional. or I would think I agree with you, probably more likely it was an. accidental other way. It happened because of something. that China did. How come the Biden administration. has never pushed China to pay. reparations to the United States or. any other country for what that. virus did? Well, I can only assume it's because. they know that they are. complicit and that as long.

as they don't push China too hard, President Xi is not going to say, well, hey, you know, it was your. Pentagon money that. that paid for this research and. it was your Peter Daszak. friend of Anthony Fauci who. encouraged the bat lady to do that. particular research. So I think it's. mutually assured destruction. Like they both just don't say. anything and it goes away. And I'm sure that's in part why. Donald Trump's administration. didn't really push that hard.

And because it's the same people. in charge at the CIA and the. State Department and the Pentagon. who know that they didn't. deliberately do this, but it was. their, you know, incompetent, sloppiness, whatever recklessness. that unleashed this virus. on the world. And America doesn't want to have its. fingerprints on it. And I think the fingerprints are. there. We've seen enough. already has. You know, in Congress,

there have been some good. politicians who have pushed. on this, and there's been enough. FOIA material that's. come out to show that they were. certainly EcoHealth was being. funded. So, you know, it doesn't take much. to follow the trail. Plus, Peter Daszak is so protected. I mean, where he lives sort of in. the woods just. outside of New York. Any any reporters who go there. immediately? The cops are there. Like they they're protecting. him. He's been.

Really shy. How do I get protection? Yeah. Now, you won't get that. Yeah, I've noticed. You're the. enemy. So, okay, since you have my. last question, but since you've got. such an amazing recall, remarkable memory for details. and people I've really known, very. few people with recall like yours, I just one more thread I'd like. to sort of tie into a bow. And that's the whistleblowers who. did business with Hunter Biden. What happened to them? So that would be trouble.

in Ski and Devin Archer. Yeah, I, I mean, they're really. the heroes of this story. Tony Bobulinski was working. with Hunter on the last. the big China deal that ended. up falling over. Hunter and his uncle Jim. Biden got, I think, about. $20 million out of that deal after. they sort of shafted. Bobulinski and their other partners. basically for doing nothing. But Bobulinski.

is sort of a self-made man, and so. he's quite protected. like he has his own money. He doesn't owe anything to anybody. He's a former, you. know, naval nuclear. rocket instructor, nuclear. submarine instructor. He's a pretty tough guy and he knows. a lot of tough guys who protect. him. So I think he's been. okay. Devin Archer, on the other. hand, he he's. a lovely man. And I've got to know both of them. And I call them friends now.

They've become friends. I have this beautiful bromance. I never knew each other before, and. now they're just rock solid friends. because they've suffered both of. them at the hands of the Bidens. Devin more so because he. was Hunter's. best friend. They met at Yale. Hunter called him my best friend in. business. They went into business together. Devin did all the work. And Hunter was sort of brought in. as the sort of the Biden name. In the end, they did a deal.

that went sour. and the Southern District of New. York charged Devin with. fraud over that deal. Hunter was deemed not. to have been involved, even though. Hunter was, I think, vice chairman. of the company. He'd earn $200,000. Devin had lost millions of dollars. Devin was the one who ended up. basically going to trial. He was. convicted and then acquitted.

Or is that the conviction. was overturned by the judge who. found that he was honest. and found that he'd been unjustly. traded and then that. was overturned. So so he's been. going through, I think, about eight. years of sheer hell. where he hasn't been able to earn. money. He has a close family, so that. supported him. He's remained remarkably optimistic. But he's facing jail. I mean, he could go to jail. like I think for a year in one day. And that's while Hunter Biden has.

escaped scot free. with everything that Hunter's done. There's always been this invisible. hand that's reached out and. and rescued him from peril, while all around him, all his. business partners went broke, went to jail, died, disappeared. Hunter just is like the character. in a, you know, a disaster movie. where all the cards blow up. and this one man runs through the. flames, and he's like, He's the road runner of.

you. Do you get the sense he's not going. to escape, though? I mean, he must be in rough shape. I haven't seen him in a while long. while, but he must be in rough. shape. You can't put yourself through that. kind of life without destroying a. lot of your brain. Yeah, I would say, I guess. I mean, look, I wish nothing but. the best for him. I've actually come to. I never met him. I would have loved. to interview. I still would love to. interview him. But I. know people around him. I mean, all the people around him. were fantastic. People like his. friends. I've met quite a few of his.

friends, you know, Kevin. Morris, the the everyone hates Kevin. Morris, but he's not a bad guy. either. The the Hollywood lawyer, the his sugar brother. He's funded like his lifestyle. and pet Osiris debts. You know, all these people, they. have a good heart because they. get sucked in by Hunter, because. Hunter does have that tragic. quality. Women, especially rally around. him and want to mother him and. protect him and forgive him. all sorts of atrocities. And I think men it's the same thing. They everyone you talk to say he's.

just good hunter. He's so charming and lovable. and vile. Not stupid. No. Smart. Sad. So you count him a victim of his. father's? Yes. 100%? I mean, he's a victimizer as well as. all victims like that are. But, I mean, he's victimized. You know, I sat in the courtroom in. Delaware and watched his. two exes, a Hally. Biden, who was his brother, Beau's widow, that he took up with, had a torrid affair with and.

put her on to crack. And she's she's, you. know, pretty broken. His ex-wife, Kathleen, who I. never met her. I mean, I saw in court she looked. like a broken woman, really very. different from the Kathleen that. was in all the photographs. She she came across. in the laptop, in all the writings. as a kind of naive, very loving, like she adored. Hunter, absolutely adored him, forgave so much. And then the bitterness that crept.

in. I mean, it was nothing like. what I would be like. She was still quite kind towards. him. You know, he did terrible things for. he betrayed her in the worst way, but she and it damaged her. inside. But. but she maintained a sort of civil. relationship with him, I guess, for the sake of their daughters. And she's a good mother. So he he had a knack. for finding these great. women that looked after him. Forgave him and all destroyed.

in the end. Yeah, all destroyed. Although Haley's remarried, So. I think she's a survivor. She's remarried. A rich guy in Ohio. Apparently. So. She was. She was looking quite happy. Had a huge rock on her. hand, so I think she'll be okay. I just want the least one person to. come out happy. That's right. Miranda Devine, congrats on the book. Thank you. Thank you for this. It was great. To see you. You too. One of the things we wanted to do. when we left conventional media,

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