Matt Gaetz: Ted Cruz’s Delusional 2028 Bid, the ADL, and Identity Politics Taking Over the Right

Matt Gates, thank you for doing this. Good to  be with you. I haven't seen you in a while. Um, especially in Florida. Especially in Florida.  Exactly. Um, so I just want to start with a. clip that I saw this morning, uh, that I think is  amazing and tells you a lot about a lot. This is. from the Jerusalem Post Washington Conference  this weekend. The man speaking is a guy called. Yehuda Kaplan, uh, who I don't think I' ever heard  of before, but now apparently works at the State.

Department in the Office to Fight Anti-semitism,  which I guess part of State Department. Um, and here's what he said. Watch this. I get off  a plane. I am the president's representative and. I am walking off with a Yamula and I have  kosher food and embassies will have kosher. food. It is a gamecher. The appointment  is a gamecher and it's not about history. It's it's about education and how do we educate?  Indonesia has 350 million Muslims living in the.

country. How do we change their textbooks? How  do we hold the people in Gaza accountable that if. America is paying for UN textbooks and supposedly  the changes are made, why are those textbooks not. being used and why are they using their old  textbooks? We have to teach people it's not. okay to educate your kids to be a martyr. Okay?  And we have to hold those countries accountable. How do we battle anti-semitism on the internet?  How are we doing better on algorithms? What.

companies can we work with? We are going to have  a whole division within the office of the special. envoy to combat anti-semitism that is going to  work on technology and working with the greatest. leaders in technology, many of whom are Jewish  and have offered their assistance. The office. is going to be revamped entirely to be one of the  highest profile offices in the state department. Nothing will convince Indonesia to come our way  like sending Rabbi Yehuda is probably my my How.

do we hold the people of Gaza accountable?  So there there is truth to the claim that in. the pedagogy that is administered in a lot of  places there's incitement. Uh Maya the martyr. is a character no doubt and that is awful and US  taxpayers shouldn't fund it and we ought to hold. anyone accountable who does. At the same time,  uh, like the the definition of anti-semitism,

uh, in recent times, according to some of the  Israel first crowd in the United States has. really migrated. Like this isn't my line, but I  certainly associate it with anti-semitism used to. mean somebody who didn't like Jews. Now it just  means somebody Jews don't like. And that's not a. standard that we can live with because um because  the reason anti-semitism is terrible. It's against. my religion. I'm totally opposed to it. And by the  way, it does result in violence. I think we just. saw that and I hate it. But it's anti-semitism  is wrong because hating anyone on the basis of.

their DNA is always wrong. It's a universal  principle. It does not apply to one group, my group, or your group. It applies to all groups.  And if it doesn't apply to all groups, then it's. not a principle and I can just ignore it. Right.  That's the problem I have here. Yeah. But the US. ambassador to France, uh Jared Kushner's father  says that anti-ionism is anti-semitism. Uh and. I don't believe that. I think that you can  be critical of foreign policy choices that a.

country makes without the assumption that you hate  the religion or the ethnic group associated with. that that country. Like when I was critical of Joe  Biden, that didn't make me anti-atholic. And when. I'm critical of Benjamin Netanyahu, that doesn't  make me anti-Semitic. Well, I agree with that. And. I I do think there has been a rise, just I just  notice it, in people hating Jews, disliking Jews, anti-semitism. I think that's real in the United  States. But I think you could probably fix that.

in a week. How? by getting Jewish groups like  the ADL, like the American Jewish Congress, like whatever group Yehuda Kaplan runs  to come out against anti-white hate, which is institutionalized in the United  States. And if you had the ADL and the SPLC. and these groups that have fought against  anti-semitism for all these years make the. obvious and true point that hatred of anybody on  the basis of how they're born is immoral and we.

won't stand for it. And in the United States, the  institutionalized hate is anti-white. Of course, prevented from getting jobs, prevented from  getting federal grants, prevented from getting. admitted to college. That's still in place.  But you know why that hasn't happened? I don't. You know what I don't understand? There isn't a  sufficient monetization path there the way it is. when the ADL and similarly aligned groups try to  make the American people think that anti-semitism. is hiding behind but then so then I know it's  not real. Okay. So if I get up look if I get up.

and say it's only wrong when people attack people  like me then everyone knows that I'm not defending. a principle I'm defending a group interest and  I can ignore your group's interests. I cannot. ignore a universal principle. And the universal  principle is that kind of hatred is always wrong. no matter who it's aimed at. So why doesn't the  ADL stand up and do that? I would send money to. the ADL if they did that. I would send money to  the ADL. I would and I despise the ADL because.

that would be a defense of what's true and so  needed. Why won't they do that? Well, when you're. when you're a witch hunter, you have to first  convince people of the existence of witches. And so I think that for the broad goals of the  ADL, they have to make the country believe that. we are somehow aligned against the Jewish faith uh  and against But what they're saying is it's okay. to discriminate against white Christians, but  it's immoral to discriminate against Jews. No,

it's immoral to discriminate against Jews and  white Christians and black people and Indonesians. and every group on the basis of their DNA. Period.  Well, there has to be a villain. And that's what. white people have become in in this really threat  constructed environment around identity. Well, I've I've actually reached out to those groups  and said, "I will make common cause with you. I'll support you. I'll send you money if you  will just defend the principles." And that would.

include defending No, you never heard these people  during the DEI. They didn't say one word. They. were for it. They were for discriminated against  whites because those kids who've been shafted by. anti-white hate as institutionalized in every big  company in every government agency in the whole. United States and Western Europe. Those people  are mad. And where was Yehuda 11 during that? Where was Bill Aman during that? And my point is  come over to the side of universal principles of.

light and truth and let's make common cause  against all forms of hate. And if you won't. do that then I'm not taking you seriously. Yeah.  And no one should take them seriously because they. they are an advocacy group for a particular ethnic  group and that is fine. Well, how's that different. from like Ilhan Omar and the Somali? Well, uh I  I think that in a lot of ways there are there are. similarities when like ethnationalism is the  objective and obviously ethnationalism is the.

objective in Israel. It's the organizing principle  of the country and but it often times people are. pursuing the policies here in the United States  uh that that benefit Israel and our own interests. and the interests of our people and the plight you  described that so many young people have endured. is not a priority. White young people, that's why  they're mad. Why do you think they're mad? because. they've been told that the country they were born  in like officially discriminates against them. That's ongoing. I I don't think it's just even  white people. I think it's it's also non-white. people who see the attack on white culture not as  an attack on like colonialism, but as an attack.

on success and progress and order. I I know a lot  of non-white people. They're like, "Actually, uh, this this anti-white activity that's going on is  going to make me less prosperous and less safe, and I'm kind of here." Like, for all  the criticisms we as whites have taken, we did an okay job setting up an orderly world,  and we made some mistakes along the way, and. you've got to reconcile those. But at the end, uh,  what society would you replace wi with like what.

we've set up in the Western world? Is there is  there some like vision of the way uh civilizations. were built in Africa or the Far East that that we  would we would gleefully adopt? So imagine moving. here cuz it's a white country founded by white  people and getting here and being like, "Yeah, I want I want to be part of that and which I get  100%." And then you get here and the first thing. you learn is white people are bad. Yeah. Right.  I mean that must be weird. It I it's it I I think.

that this is shifting the other way. I really  think during the excesses of the post George Floyd. era, uh, people attached so strongly to identity  and you know, I I sense a real push back against. that and like you you talk about like learning  it, right? The main place people learn still is. in the school system. Right now, public education  is essentially a failing enterprise and all of the. innovation is to take people out of that system  and then people will self- select what they learn.

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bucks a year for unlimited veterinary care. You'd  pay anything, but you shouldn't have to. Dutch. pet. I think you're right. So I think what you're  saying so I'm I was well I want to get to the. thing that really bothered me about the statement  from Yehuda Kaplan whoever who apparently now runs. the State Department. He just told us I did not  vote for this just to be clear. Period. The the. any of what I just saw. Yeah. That guy. But but  you're saying maybe I should calm down a little.

bit because like who cares? History's passing this  whole conversation by. I I I not saying who cares. because that was that was a disgusting display  of uh I think parochial interest that you just. saw. Yes, that's correct. But we see that often  so I don't get too worked up about it. Uh the the. bigger issue is that Rabbi Yehuda would probably  classify you and I as anti-Semitic because we've. been critical of some of the policy choices of the  Israeli government. and that broad application of.

anti-semitism to say anti-ionism is anti-semitism  um to uh to say that even some things in the Bible. may be deemed anti-semitic if they're critical of  Jews at any point. Uh it's it's so it has created. such a curiosity among young people to test those  mores and challenge those dogmas. Like I think. there are a lot of like the Mark Leavvin Israel  first crowd who look at us and say like we're the.

problem. Tucker and Matt are the problem. Actually  we're not the problem. The problem is you lost. us. I know you. They show these old videos of  you being very complimentary of Israel and and. critical of Israel's critics. I you could easily  find a lot of my library speaking on the floor. of the Congress supporting a strong and robust US  Israel relationship. So two people who in our 30s. were incredibly supportive of this relationship  have come untethered and it is because the.

relationship has become too burdensome and friends  should be able to tell that to each other and when. you do that doesn't make you a bad friend. I still  consider myself pro-Israel. I think that what the. Netanyahu government is doing to Israel is bad for  Israel. Much in the way the United States created. more terrorists than we killed during the the  wars in the Middle East that have consumed most. of my life. I think that is what that is the  chapter of the book they're in right now. This. this expansionism and uh the adventurism and it  ends badly. It ended badly for us. You remember.

we Syria's in the news now cuz tragically we've  lost Americans in uniform uh in in Syria and and. a translator there as well and reasonable people  are asking why are we still in Syria? What are we. doing being so we can lose troops? That's why I  that is so sick and and well I I believe that's. true. You believe that that those people are there  so that they can die and trigger a war. That is. correct. And a deeper commitment and an emotional  commitment. you've lost people here in it. Um I do.

think that and I when we lost someone in Moadishu,  did that create a deeper emotional connection to. Somalia or did that caused Americans to say,  "What are we doing patrolling around Mo?" Well, it allowed the State Department um and the rest  of the federal government and its constellation of. NOS's to import tens of thousands of Somali into  the United States because all of a sudden Well, that had been happening under under Clinton, you  know, for some time. Yeah. Well, that right. that.

I believe Blackhawk down was at the during  the Clinton administration. Yeah. Right. So, um yeah, the we now have had military action  in this country. So, there's a the deep and. important connection between our country and  whatever country we're killing people in. And so, we need to import whoever it is, the Somalis,  the Montineyards from Vietnam, whatever. And by. the way, some of those groups have done well here,  others have not done well at all. But the pretext. is exactly the same. We occupy Haiti repeatedly.  All of a sudden, we have a ton of Haitians. Like,

this is how it works. We're fooling with Venezuela  policy. Got a ton of Venezuelans. Is that Is that. the next chapter here? Is, you know, you're  welcoming a good chunk of Syria into the United. States. I mean, a lot of them are already living  in Europe. Yeah. And but let me just say, I' I've. known a lot of Syrians in my life. A lot of Syrian  Christians and Alawites and moderate Muslims. It's. never been a hot bit of a religious extremism. Had  a secular government until last year. Damascus was. a great secular center of enlightenment and  architecture. A lot of the New Testament was. written from what's now Syria. So it had a you  know it's had an ancient Christian presence.

Of course Paul was on his way to Damascus when he  met Jesus. So like this is the Levant. This is not. some far away. This is on the Mediterranean. Okay.  This is uh and so I know some amazing uh Syrians. Also a lot of like war traumatized unemployed  and unemployable dangerous Syrians and they're. happen to be living in Berlin right now. So like  whatever it's it's a mixed it's a mixed bag. The. only point is the soon as you intervene in another  country, all of a sudden, you know, invade the.

world, import the world becomes real. Yeah. I  introduced the legislation in Congress to take. all of our troops out of Syria. It was defeated  overwhelmingly. And um when was that? Uh that was. uh that was in 2024 uh last year. and Anna Paulina  Luna, you know, others and I took to the floor to. explain that this would result in American deaths  that that those deaths would not be worth whatever. gain is attempting to be realized in Syria.  In Syria, we had troops funded by the Pentagon.

fighting forces funded by the CIA. And and Syria  is even an example on the limits of Russia's. interventionism. Uh, I, you know, took note of  the fact that them propping up a government and. trying to keep it loyal was not something that  was ultimately sustainable for Russia. And so now, um, you know, we ought to get our troops out.  There's no thing that we are fighting for there. that is an achievable win. And what were these  guys doing? You hear it on the news now, key. leader engagement. Like, you know what that means?  That means we've got troops wandering around Syria.

figuring out which Betawin leaders to go bribe  as a part of some coalition we can represent. And. that is everything Donald Trump is against. Donald  Trump doesn't want to import a bunch of Syrians. He doesn't want to control Syria. And I think that  that there is a lot of the military-industrial. complex that just needs us to be in a state  of kind of constant latent war everywhere. Oh, there's no question. And I want to ask you and  and by the way, just while I'm on the rant, the reason that happens is because in Congress  there's this great sense of difference. It's.

like if you're not on the agriculture committee,  you defer to those people. If you're not on the. intelligence committee, you defer to those  people or the armed services committee. And. under a system where people's specializations were  being represented in that way, that might work, but it's just a function of which special  interests are are controlling which committees. and which members of Congress. The way you get on  the war committee is to be for the wars. The way. you to get on the intelligence committee is to be  for the intelligence apparatus. The way to get on.

the agriculture committee is to be for big food.  The way to get on the natural resources committee. is to be against natural resources. And then and  then when you do all of that, you end up with this. this highly differential system to people who were  elected by no one who buy off your leaders. And. those leaders justify it by saying, "Well, at  least I'm moving up in the system." And thus, whatever I do to surrender my agency is justified  and and worth it because I can have a seat at the. table and maybe I can I mean, I think the moral  justification for the person who makes moral.

compromises is well, at least now I'm here and  I could potentially make things better. Yeah, but you're not even really there because you've  sold all the shares of yourself. You know who else. was there? Kevin McCarthy. Like he was there until  he wasn't. The problem is the man had no agency. because o over such an period of time he had sold  shares of himself to the highest bidder. Are there. any sovereign leaders in the world that you're  aware of? Like does any leader have the ability. to say this is the right thing or the wrong thing  and I'm just going to act according to how I feel. with like the authority vested in me. Yes. Really?  Yeah. El Salvador Naib Buoull. Yeah. I think he.

has total agency to just do things as he says.  Huh? How's the country doing? It's doing well. People are safe. Investment is coming. Uh you and  I have spent time there. And uh a lot of time I I. think that uh it it it is a great case study in  what happens when uh you know when you exercise. the type of executive power that uh benefits the  people. It's in a way if it's a dictatorship,

it's a very benevolent dictatorship and people  get to vote for against him and they vote for him. Yeah, they also get to leave. I mean, a third  of Salvadorans have left over the past 40 years, come to the United States, and now bunch of  them are returning. So, they are. Yeah. I mean, and and by the way, like I know out there among  your supporters and mine, there's a lot of angst. over like, well, you know, has Donald Trump  done every single thing I ever wanted him to do. in this first year in office. Like if you would  have told me back when we were staring at polls.

showing us that Kla Harris was going to be the  next president of the United States that here we. would be at the conclusion of 2025 with negative  net migration in this country. And some of that. indeed is the great work of DHS. But a lot of it  is the self-deportation where Trump has set the. ethic in this country where if you are not here  legally, you are not welcome. And a bunch of those. people are going home. And I think that is a great  credit to the work they've done. It is. And in the. case of El Salvador, it's a great credit to the  job the president of El Salvador has done in like. improving his country. Yeah. Like why not live  there? Well, here's a pretty obvious question that.

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one more question about the State Department's  new office on anti-semitism and just say again, I'm opposed to anti-semitism every bit as  much as I'm opposed to anti-white hate, which is much more prevalent. Uh, but and all  of it, anti-lack, anti-Mexican, everything, anti- people. But in there, he says, "We need  to control what people say on the internet.". Yes. And we're going to talk to Jews in the  He just said that. It's so funny. It's like,

do they really think that's going to work? Does  anyone But that's why should the US government be. trying to censor its own citizens? Like I thought  that was first of all illegal. I thought we ran. against that. That was the Biden administration.  But isn't that like how is that different from. slavery if you can't say what you believe? Yeah.  Well, I don't know. It's a form of bondage. It's. like I'm not treating you as as a human being, as  a free man if I won't allow you to say what you. what you think. Well, and I thought that's what  America was. It was the place where you could say. what you think. Yeah. uh the uh opportunity to do  that apparently will be con constrained worldwide.

as as Rabbi Yehuda is serving you your kosher.  Why should the US State Department I thought. we were against censorship? How? Wait a second.  You thought the US State Department was against. censorship. That's not true. This guy's standing  up at some event with a bunch of lunatics saying. I'm censoring Americans and I'm work for the US  government. How about you get fired today? Yeah, I think he was pointing globally and the US  State Department has a long history of trying. to control what people see and hear and how they  react to that. So, we need to change the textbooks.

in Indonesia. Should we really be changing other  people's textbooks? Whatever. No, I think I think. there's a reasonable argument to be made that we  should not be funding the textbooks. No, we should. not be we should be funding anybody's textbooks.  Like, there are people living on the street. But. whatever. Leaving that aside, you're not allowed  to censor our social media, period. Because we're. Americans, we can say and think whatever we want.  That's the point of being American. How can a US. official say that? I think we have crossed that  Rubicon long ago when you had people in the Biden.

administration censoring true information about  vaccine side effects and no accountability for. that, no action against those officials. uh  it has blown the door open to use powers in. government to try to advance the viewpoints that  you find com comforting and to silence the ideas. that you find uncomfortable. I've never heard  anybody say we should censor anti-white hate on. the internet. Not one person has ever I don't by  the way I don't think we should censor it or any. expression of what people believe should ever  be. Do you think censorship like digitally is.

ultimately sustainable with the fragmented digital  environment? That's the point. I'm comment I'm not. as worked up over over it as you are because I  just I think that uh you know you've got we have. so many different opportunities to communicate  now more so than in the you know 2010s and the. censorship regime is only going to backfire on  these folks and it's sad. I I honestly I wish. people like you know Jonathan Greenblat at the  ADL and and and this particular rabbi like would.

would see that what they are doing is ultimately  to their detriment because more and more people. are going to wonder why there is this like one  group that seems to have primacy in speech and. discourse. You're 100% right and you're able  to control your emotions sufficient to see that. which is why I'm glad you're here. Controlling  emotions really is one of what I'm known for. No, it is actually because you're seeing at least  compared to me with no self-control at all. You're.

seeing the big picture which is that this is a  conversation that can only be counterproductive. They don't understand the nature of human  discourse and of the internet and like you can't. censor it. No. And how are you going to censor  the presidential debate stage in 2028? Because. let me walk through what you're going to see.  You're going to see candidates on the Republican. debate stage and on the Democrat debate stage that  are going to say, "I'm going to cut off all aid to. Israel. I believe the USIsrael relationship  is toxic. I think it is a it is an abusive.

relationship and the United States is the abused  partner and we need to leave." And those people. are automatically going to surge to uh a prominent  position in in the polling in their parties. And. so then how do you how are you ultimately going to  censor a viewpoint that is a rising viewpoint on. the left and the right right among the bases of  those parties not not am this isn't a viewpoint. percolating among the elites that maybe the  US-Israel relationship uh is is something we.

have to question in its current iteration and in  its current form but this is coming to a head and. the like I saw the deal where uh have you looked  at the FAR filings where the Israeli government. is paying to geoence US churches so that they can  propagandize evangelical Christians. I'm watching. this like saying it is not going to work. People  are still going to ask questions. Uh and I still. can't find any of the of Israel's strongest  defenders who will defend that conduct. Um.

they've also I guess hired Brad Parcale to spoof  the AI bots. I I saw that and I thought I thought. at least it's like them getting grifted this time.  He's pathetic. Uh but yes, no, I mean, literally. pathetic, but uh but it's still so dishonorable  what he's doing. But you're absolutely right. I should have a lighter heart about this kind of  stuff. It I I guess what concerns me is these are. people who are totally committed to violence who  I mean for Rabbi whatever his name is to say we.

need to hold the people of Gaza accountable when  they already the Israelis and the US have murdered. tens of thousands of women and children, murdered  them. It's like that's not a like what is there is. there anyone believe who believes that Israel's  campaign in Gaza has killed more terrorists than. it's created? Is there a single serious person  who believes that? Well, it's it's it's a crime. It's it's a crime. And when the more you know  about it, the more shocking it is that it's. happened. A first world country doing something  murdering all those kids, murdering them,

which they have. And all these people like Rabbi  whatever and Mark Leven defending it. They're just. proviolence. They believe in violence. Mark Leven  when Charlie was murdered three months ago said, you know, he was murdered because people called  him a Nazi and that's an invitation to shoot. somebody. Next thing you know, he's running around  calling everyone who disagrees with the next aid. package a Nazi. He's espousing violence. Mark's  totally for violence. A lot of these stronger. voices are for violence. So if censorship doesn't  work, it makes me uncomfortable when people who.

believe in violence and murdering the innocents  as they do. If they're if they can't achieve their. goals by peaceful means, like what's the next  step? Violence. I I think that they come from. a viewpoint of like every 400 years people round  up the Jews and kill them on the planet Earth and. they think that their struggle is existential and  if they do not become violent in certain places, in certain iterations that they become the victim  of it. Okay, I I look I get that and actually one.

thing that I grieve over because I hear about  it all the time from friends of mine is that. people are panicked or panicked and then you have  a shooting this massacre in Australia is like the. worst thing I've ever I couldn't even watch the  video. It was so horrible and it's like that adds. to people's sense that there's something like that  is going to happen here and I totally sympathize. with that all of that. But violence is not the  answer. That's the point. It's why you can't. defend the murder of kids in Gaza. You can't call  for your enemies to be killed like Mark Leven in.

effect does. Don't do that, right? Yeah. And um it  it probably is, you know, the next chapter of all. of this is that more of that type of violence is  visited here in the United States. And we're we're. against that. That, by the way, that's why the  speech and the dialogue and the discourse is so. important, which is what Charlie Kirk understood.  I know and and uh and said so all the time and I. mean when you and I know what few others do and  that is the operational competence of Charlie Kirk.

in uh doing everything he could to support the  Trump administration to make the best possible. decisions on the information that existed. And  Charlie told me something once about uh President. Trump and and Twitter. And he said, 'You know,  Matt, how many times back in 2016, 2017, did we. uh did we have someone come up to us and say, "We  love Trump, but can we get him off Twitter? Can we. just get him to stop uh tweeting every impulse?"  And by the way, I always loved the the posts, still do. Uh but um we so many people were focused  on the information flow from TW Trump out into the.

Twitter sphere when uh what we I think discounted  was when Trump was scrolling Twitter regularly. He was getting birectional feedback that does not  exist right now. Uh that that that avenue is not. open the way it was in those years. And I think it  was really special and awesome about Trump that he. was able to understand the zeitgeist and what the  temperature and mood of the country was and uh I.

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levels.link/tucker. This is the beginning of what  we hope will be a long and happy partnership with. Levels and Dr. Casey Means. What role does  Twitter X play in the discourse of the nation? It's the global newswire. It's it's where news  is made. And you know, I think that uh people. discount the significance of the platform when  they say it doesn't have the same user base that. you see on Meta or Tik Tok. But the reality is  the news that is made on X Twitter uh really.

pollinates to those other platforms extensively  and I think drives all the action. So Twitter is. real life is what you're saying. I I think that  it is. Yeah. Yeah. Could you understand what's. happening in the country without reading it? I  don't think so because you would be limited in. uh the inputs. Yeah. To your system, right?  What are your So, well, you host a show,

but even long before you hosted the show, you're  in the middle of the national conversation. You. were the subject of the national conversation for  a while. Um, where do you get your information? How do you know what reality is? I I I try to  read a lot. I try to watch cable news as little. as possible, even though I'm a I'm a host of a  cable show on One American News. Uh you know, I think we've lost an appreciation for like the  10,000word piece in in society today. Uh you know,

I I I miss the long investigative reporting pieces  we used to get at places like uh uh the National. Pulse and you know, places like Revolver News.  Yeah. And more and more the attention span of the. country is limited and so you've got to be able to  convey messages sharply, crisply so that they're. absorbed and people can act on the information.  Do you read Twitter a lot? I do. Yeah, I'm on. Twitter a good bit. Citizen free press is one of  my daily check-ins for the news as well. And also. more and more uh since I've left government life,  seeing how the movement of money impacts policy.

decisions. I was so into like what was on the next  committee agenda uh what the next witness would be. in the chair and oftent times it's it's the way  money moves in global marketplaces influencing. events and I also think this is informative on our  discussion on the Middle East because for most of. your and my life the principal capital markets  that mattered in the world were New York and. London course and I think a lot of people uh were  really comfortable with that and then as capital.

has really flown out of these Gulf monarchies  out of the Middle East. You're seeing places like. Doha, Abu Dhahabi, Dubai, Muscat Oman, Riad emerge  as these ri as these very significant capital. marketplaces. And I think Netanyahu is trying  to wash that region in blood and chaos and war. migrants so that there is a return to New York and  London being the principal capital markets. Yeah.

I mean, I saw an Israeli cabinet minister the  other day um describe was talking about the Saudis. and you know, go back to whatever your camels and  sleeping with your cousin or whatever, eating lamb. in a tent. Um, and I, you know, it was dismissive,  of course, I'm not even taking sides in it, but. it was more than dismissive. It was like idiotic.  It's like, have you been there recently? You know, there not a lot of camels in downtown Riad,  which has like 8 million people in it. It's. like the most modern city the side of China. Um I  I think people don't fully understand how quickly.

that region has changed. Yeah. And you know the  uh that change is frightening to people who are. losing power. I get it. And I think a lot of those  people are the constituency that Netanyahu is. serving as he is trying to advance an agenda that  will create more war and create more violence. And like nobody's going to want to do business  deals in Doha or Abu Dhabi or Dubai if there are.

30 million Iranians that are on the move because  they are war migrants. No, that's that's really. really smart. So I want to get to some something.  So you sponsored this bill in the Congress in 2024. last year that would have pulled the United  States finally out of Syria. And of course it. didn't pass. Did it even get to a vote? Uh yeah,  I was able to force a vote on it under under our. rules. Yeah. I mean, it lost by a margin of two to  one. I didn't even have a majority at least. Oh,

of course. But the fact that you did that, which  by the way, for people who aren't from Washington, that's like a radical act. That's like tea party  level, you know? It's like throwing the tea in. Boston Harbor. That's like a No one would  do that. Poor Tulsi Gabbard once said like, "Why do we have to be in Syria?" And they spied  on her and kept her off commercial airplanes for. saying that. So, um, it was a ballsy thing to say,  but you've always had this kind of like, you know, independent cast to your thinking. It's been  very obvious for a long time. Several years ago,

your life got completely blown up. It sounded  like you were going to jail. People started. calling you a child molester. You're a child  molester. I was attacked for talking to you, which is kind of funny. Normally, people were  attacked for talking to me, but I was attacked for. talking to you. And um but at the heart of that  story was foreign influence and I've never heard. you describe what exactly happened there. So in  one sentence news broke in the New York Times that.

the House Ethics Committee. No, this was this was  I got news that uh the Department of Justice Oh, sorry. It was DOJ criminal investigation was  was in investigating me and obviously I knew. that the allegations were false that someone was  in jail right now if they were obviously and the. fact you and Andrew Tate would both be in jail.  So stop with the [ __ ] And by the way like it. no one has ever even made an accusation against  me in any forum in which I can depose witnesses, do cross-examination, review records. So like  that's how you know the allegations against me.

are false. No one is ever willing to make them  in any forum where I'm allowed to fight back, where I have any any of the tools that you haven't  been charged in process. So like charged, sued, uh anything. And so I been sued on the basis of  this. No, of course not. If anyone were to sue me, a a human being would have to stand up and make  an accusation against me and have their name. behind it. That's never happened. Who is who  is the person who has publicly accused me of. misconduct regarding women? There's it doesn't  exist, right? It it is just an op and it it was.

an op to silence me and Israel was involved and  I hate to say that I was shocked to learn it but. there was a consulate official. Okay, this is so  this is the charge that you were like trafficking. underage girls. It absurd and I don't even know  what the charge was but that was the headline. Matt Gates traffics underage women. It's like oh  my gosh can't talk to Matt Gates anymore. Well, for for us, uh, the shocking moment was when my  father, who's a prominent person in our community,

got outreach from someone he had never met that  said that there were pictures and images of me. with underage prostitutes. And my dad needed  to meet with these people right away. And so, uh, my my dad, somewhat surprised and concerned,  goes and talks to these people and says, "What in the world are you talking about?" And  they said, "Well, uh, Mr. We need $25 million. from you to go and rescue a uh a spy that is  being held in Iran and if you do that we can.

make these things about your son go away which  was crazy and wild. We did what any reasonable. people would do. We went to the FBI and said that  we were being extorted by these folks with their. false claims. And we later learned that this  consulate official with the is working for the. Israeli government was sending text messages to  Scott Adams of all people, the Dilbert cartoonist, saying they were expecting my father to furnish  this $25 million payment uh and that that would.

be evidence of my consciousness of guilt for the  American FBI agent grabbed on a Iranian island. maybe 18 or 19 years ago. Yeah. And I don't know  anything about this person. I don't know if the. person's dead or alive, but but it was troubling  and concerning to me that someone who was getting. paid by the Israeli government was involved in a  criminal shakeddown of a US congressman and there. someone went to jail for this. Someone the person  who conveyed this message to my father plead. guilty to the attempted fraud and uh surprisingly  there was never really an effort to figure out.

what the government of Israel's involvement was  in this matter. But you know that the government. of Israel was involved because this was an Israeli  government official who was involved in this. Yes. A a person who his name is Jake Novak. I think he  currently works for Real America's Voice. And he. sent text messages. Yeah. Yeah. Uh that that's  the name of the official. And he sent messages. to Scott Adams saying that he was involved in this  scheme that was later deemed a criminal scheme to.

shake down my family. False allegations. He got a  television show. Come on now. I didn't know any of. this. I'm not playing dumb. I really didn't know  that. Has Have you ever talked to him about it? Uh. I I have uh I have attempted to uh to figure out  because obviously I still have a lot of unanswered. questions about why he was working for a foreign  government and trying to shake down my family. What's the answer, do you think? Well, uh some  have shared with me their concern that this was a.

consequence of some of the votes and positions  I took in the Congress. I represented one of. the most militaryheavy districts in the entire  country. Number one. Yeah. Right. Right up there. And uh I saw these wars in the Middle East that my  neighbors and friends had fought in uh as unworthy. of our of our best, unworthy of the disruptions  in parenting and the divorces and the injuries, suicides. And so I uh took the position that  we should be less entangled in these things.

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Republican in the entire Congress during my time  there who uh who refused all pack and lobbyist. donations because it was like a game I just didn't  want to win. What what you have to realize is what. most of your Congress is doing most of the time  is trying to move up in this system. And sometimes. moving up means a better committee. Sometimes it's  like getting invited to better dinner parties. You. lived in Washington for many years. You know  that there's this like hidden dinner party.

circuit that is reflective of your influence and  your acceptance. And people who are probably good. people when they get elected uh go there and  morally compromise for that. And I just like. reached a point one one time when I just thought  I don't even care. Like it's like oh well if you. do enough favors for the chief deputy whip they'll  invite you to their fundraiser and then you could. move up and the whip could invite you to his  foreign trip. And if you say the right things on. the foreign trip and and kiss the ring well then  maybe like the majority leader will want you on.

a task force. And at the end of the day I thought  I'm not here to do any of this stuff and I don't. really care about any of it. Those are prizes not  worth winning too. Yeah. It's sort of like the. homecoming court. Like nobody really cares except  the people doing it. The problem is in Congress, the people who are not the brightest and not the,  you know, I think most uh uh serviceoriented often. prevail in that system. It's also low bar.  So just pathetic. Um but and and it's even.

more pathetic when really smart, accomplished  people do it. That's always what amazed me. If. you're like I'm just country lawyer from North  Florida, been in the legislature, got elected to. Congress. I'd never done anything in my life that  rendered me a war hero or some tycoon of industry, but those people do get elected at times and then  to just go watch them debase themselves. I know. uh and and they become actors and the scripts  are written by the lobby corps and produced.

and directed by the leadership. You never took  APAC money? I did not. I I I ref I refused those. funds. How did that go for you? I just, you know,  Well, I guess you ultimately got blackmailed. I. didn't become attorney general. No, but but I  Oh, I forgot about that. But that that was that. wasn't precisely uh about Apac for me. That was  just about all of it. I even had groups like the. NRA or Right to Life that I was largely aligned  with say, "Well, will you take our pack money?".

And I just the whole thing seemed unour.  Like how do you take money from people who. have a a specific interest at times hundreds  of thousands of millions of dollars and then. go stand at at at the fish house in Pensacola,  Florida and tell people you're not influenced by. it? I just I couldn't perform the act anymore.  Now there's, you know, there's there are other. uh throughout my time in Congress, there are other  um kind of accommodations you have to make. Like I. had to be their willing able anytime your bookers  or anybody else's bookers would call and say, "Come be on television." Because my theory was if  I wasn't going to have the resources to buy ads,

just go be on TV a lot and uh you know that that  comes with its own compromise to your life and and. uh your overall operation, right? Well, life is  a series of traps, right? And sometimes you don't. know you're falling into them. It seems like a  good trade, but it never is. So, but just to go. back to what happened to you. So, um, this guy or  a series of people approached your dad and said, "We have documentary evidence that your son like  photos photos slept with underage girls. Will you.

give us 25 million to go find the FBI agent Bob  Levenson?" Levenson, right? Also working for CIA. who was grabbed on this island in Iran, still in  custody, dead or alive. Your dad says no. Contacts. you. You call the FBI. The person who reached out  gets convicted of that, goes to jail for it. But. this other guy is never punished for it. The one  who's working for the Israeli government. And then.

the story winds up in the New York Times. How does  it wind up in the New York Times? Well, I I think. that Bill Barr told them. Bill Bar was a very  well-known source for the New York Times. Bill. Bar was the attorney general and he hated me. And  he and I hate you. We were in a big dispute about. his unwillingness to enforce some of the election  integrity laws. There was a case in Florida where.

a Democrat supervisor of elections brought to  the US attorney a clear instance of fraud where. a Soros aligned organization was fraudulently  creating voter registrations so that they could. request absentee ballots that were that were ghost  votes. And uh the US attorney asked for resources. to pursue that investigation and Bill Barr refused  and said, "I refuse to investigate any of this. stuff because it will decrease confidence in the  elections." This was before the 2020 election. And so I was constantly pestering President Trump  and and members of his administration that Bill.

Bar had to be dealt with on this. You can't just  say that you're not going to investigate something. because the investigation itself will uh will  impact people's confidence. And so he and I were. in that big struggle and I believe he was angry  with me and you know uh wanted to leak things. that would hurt me. This is the guy who covered  up the murder of an American citizen in federal. detention in New York City. Um I mean the person  who was murdered is called Jeffrey Epstein. So I. I understand that I'm not defending Jeffrey Epste,  but no American should be murdered extrajudicially.

in federal lockup. Bill Bar covered up that  murder. Well, also I mean we're the United. States of America. You can't even go in and out of  a casino without people knowing that you're there. and without it being on every camera. And you're  telling me that we don't have the video of Epstein. killing himself and that we're all just supposed  to expect that this guy who we know we know all. those people who are in the admin now, my friends,  they know Epstein was intel. They know he was tied. to our intel. They know he was tied to MSAD.  They knew he was tied to Saudi. He was a free.

agent. He was willing to go British intelligence.  Yeah. and and he was willing to go and get this. compromat at a time when Brit the British and the  Israelis and the United States government needed. to pe get people aligned with the Iraq war. And  there was a worry that people would drift off and. start opposing an increasingly unpopular war in  Iraq. And so they got together a bunch of people. in academia, politics, media, business, and tried  to get them in a compromising situation so that.

then everyone would stay on board no matter what.  That does not sound unlikely. But when he died, Bar has by his own admission, he said, "Our job  is to convince the American public he killed. himself and prevent dangerous conspiracy theories  from threating." The guy was murdered. And so Bar. is by definition corrupt. Like you can't attorney  generals can't do that. That is totally over the. top. So, and he was fighting with you. But you  think he's the one who leaked I do this stuff. which leaked happened in I mean I'm not going to  sit here and pearl clutch over some over some leak.

when I you know when the FBI took my phone away  I assumed this was all you know when they first. came on what ground they take your phone they came  with a subpoena and said we want your phone and. by at the time I was somewhat relieved because I  thought perfect if what you think's in my phone. is some sort of unoured issue with underage people  have a look there's there you know and obviously. if I committed any crimes that they they kept  my phone for years and uh they did. Yeah, they. did. And you've never been charged with anything?  No. What's it like cuz we have a justice system,

you know, it's still in place. I think got  courts and stuff and police and all that, but what's it like to be accused of of of a  real crime, you know, child sex trafficking, and then sort of wait for all these years to  get indicted for it, have someone prove it, and that never happens. Well, I mean, I know  who I am. The people around me know who I am. I I would during these investigations repeatedly  run back to my district and despite Kevin McCarthy.

spending millions of dollars to try to defeat  me, I was always overwhelmingly reelected. And. so I I took comfort in knowing you got reelected  in the middle of this. Yeah. Despite, you know, uh a lot of folks not wanting me to return to  Washington, but but there is uh there is comfort. in knowing that uh you know the the people will  be there for you, your family, the folks you care. about. And so I'm not a tragic case by any sense.  I wish I would have had the chance to be attorney.

general. I said a lot of bad things about senators  over the years that made that uh impossible for me. to achieve. So, walk us through that. So, Trump  announces you're going to be AG and I have not. campaigned for the position. To be clear, I and  you know, I love President Trump and was there to. support his transition as a friend, a confidant,  someone who had been there during the tough times. in his first term. I mean, the real reason I  was hanging around the transition is because. I remembered what it was like when you had a good  amount of the cabinet hoping that Donald Trump was.

a criminal and wanting to install Mike Pence and  just the the nightmare that that was. So, I was. there to be a trusted friend and uh Charlie Kirk  and Steven Miller and I had uh had talked to a. number of people who wanted to be attorney general  and we were presenting some of those uh some of. those ideas to the president. I was advocating for  a different person to be the attorney general on a. plane ride with the president and he just sort of  as he has a tendency to do said that that wasn't. who he wanted and he wanted me to do the job and  you had no idea this was coming. No. None. And and.

I it was so you're telling Trump actually I think  you should pick so and so. Right. Right. And I did. tell him if he wanted me to do it I would do my  best job. I would work hard to be confirmed and. uh and that I thought I could lead the department  out of some of its darkest days and towards. something better. I think Pam Bondi has done a  very good job. I know she has her critics. By the. way, I would have too. Like if I'd have been the  attorney general, there probably would be a whole. uh ecosystem saying I wasn't doing enough, but I  actually think Pam Bonnie's done a good job and.

I'm here to be her supporter and and advocate.  Clearly, you are uh here to be her supporter and. advocate. Um I disagree, but whatever. I think  like let's get into that. Took her like wait but. hold on to to I'm not here to attack Pam Bondi  who I know well and I've always liked Pam Bondi. but you know you were willing as a sitting member  of the Congress in the House to like go after your. own party when you thought that they were wrong.  Yeah. And I think Trump also believed that someone.

who had been unfairly accused of something and who  had endured the the grind of that justice Yeah. would be really interested in fixing it. I mean, I  I think that's why President Trump asked me to do. the job is because he saw that I could empathize  with those who had been treated unfairly and that. I would approach the position with a true sense  of justice. I love that. No, I share that view. And I do think the only quality that matters in a  leader is strength. Not so he can oppress people.

Weak people oppress others. Strong people have  no need to oppress others or rule over others. they they can serve others because they're not  compensating for the void within them. And I think. you would have been, you know, the best person  I can think of cuz you've been through it. You. didn't collapse. You married a great girl right  in the middle of it. You got reelected. Like your. life shows that you were not destroyed by what  happened to you. So you are strong by definition. And that's what we need. And all of America's  problems are downstream from weak men. Obviously,

it's why the women are crazy because the men are  weak. So like, let's find a strong one to lead a. critical agency. That's my like primitive view of  it, but I think I'm right. What happened? Why did. you not get that gig? Uh there were a lot of  great people I interacted with in the Senate, but at the end of the day, there was a core  block of about half dozen of them who'd said. they would never vote for me. And uh you know  I could have endeavored to grind that down, maybe win, you know, one or two of them possibly  over an extended period of time, but you saw the.

way courts started enjoining the actions of this  administration right off the bat. Pam Bondi did. defeat nationwide injunctions as a ruling legal  theory. And had we not had her and her team lined. up to do that, I actually think that we'd be  in a very different position today with the. deportation agenda. Yeah. How can but but I I mean  there look the you know how you know how a lot of. my conversations went. I'm like yes senator so  and so this is Matt Gates. I'm calling about my. confirmation for attorney. Wait, what was tweeted  about you now? That was a staffer years ago and.

they were fired immediately. Oh, they were that  petty. Oh yeah. Yeah. Several um you know would. would bring like things I had tweeted about them  uh to the meeting. Is that really So the point. of your attorney general is not to say mean things  about an individual senator. Like what? Talk about. making it about you. Well, yeah, that that and  then I had I had Senator I had one senator uh you. know from Oklahoma uh really grill me about like  my vote against the anti-semitism bill and so you.

how can I vote for someone who voted against the  anti-semitism bill? And I'm thinking like is this. some like driving issue in Oklahoma that I'm Miss  Langford uh unaware of you just just mentioning. it. Uh yeah, Langford is such a is a weak such  a weak man. It's sad. Um and is a tool for evil. in my opinion. So sorry, that's what I think.  Um but despite you know having good qualities, but uh so who are the senators who are against  you? Do you care to name any of them? Uh I you.

know I don't know that that's productive but  I I think that uh it it would it would not be. difficult to look at the the college of senators  who have been otherwise problematic for some of. Trump's appointees and that's that's where I had  problems. So you you you decide to bow out. Yeah. I didn't think that me obtaining me doing some  multi-week, multi-month fight to try to grind down. the last of Mitch McConnell was somehow going to  help the administration in the end. Can I ask you,

do you think just since you know the system so  well because you serve within it most of your. life, do you think there's anything you could  have traded in exchange for their support? Uh, I don't know. I don't know. I uh oftentimes  couldn't get a meeting, you know, with people. like Senator Marowsky and Senator Collins.  they they were not interested in even having. a discussion with me. So, it would have been hard  to execute a trade. I mean, I think part of the. problem is you're not the kind of guy who makes  those trades and that's why they opposed you in.

the first place. Well, and I think also there's  something unsettling about my unpredictability. You know, people Yeah. people who read the  script are are easy to predict and manage. So, you wind up with a with a government and  business. You wind up with a whole society. run by weak people. Not at the top. Trump's  pretty strong and I think Vance is strong and. I think Susie Wilds is strong, but there's  no doubt about what you just said, but no, I mean beneath the very, you know, you're  talking the pinnacle of the pyramid. I mean,

like all the way down. They're just everyone's so  weak and that's where evil thrives is in weakness. Weakness and risk aversion. And same thing, risk  aversion is fundamentally anti-American. We are a. nation of risktakers at our best moments.  Uh that's who we are. But in government, it's often, you know, how do I how do I avoid any  attention or eye uh I I do think that, you know, like the riskiest thing we've seen is what Obama  got everybody together to do on December 9th of.

2016 when he ordered the Russia hoax. I think that  is really the original sin of a lot of this that. has happened. And you know, I certainly would  have brought a RICO charge against the people. who were involved in that decision-making  process and participating in the various. predicate criminal acts. I wouldn't be surprised  if that's precisely what Pam Bondi does. Uh when. the when the Biden FBI raided Trump's house,  they engaged in a predicate criminal act to try.

to get information back that was exculpatory as  to Trump. From my standpoint, that would properly. venue a RICO charge against the major players  in the deep state in the Southern District of. Florida rather than in Washington DC where they  have uh they have an administrative and judicial. advantage. So the Russia hoax was predicated on  something that I'm pretty sure was a lie which is.

that the Russian government stole a trunch  of emails from the DNC earlier that year. Do you think but it got reinvigorated after  like all of that got dispensed with then Trump. won which people weren't expecting and Obama on  December 9th calls in Clapper Brennan Comey and. says you guys have got to go out and reignite  this Russia thing. And in that effort you see. all of this offense against George Papidopoulos.  You see the activation of foreign intelligence.

networks to to try to create some predicate for  spying on the Trump campaign. And you know where. we're where uh you know where does that leave us  I think in a like almost a postc coup country. Well we're literally at war with Russia today as  a result of this hysteria which was all the kind. of predicate for that war and you know it's like  there was some real discussion in the '9s going. on about extending NATO membership to Russia  which is what we should have done. What do you. mean that Putin in his first meeting with George  W. Bush was like right at the beginning of 2020 20.

2001 said, "I want to join NATO." Imagine where we  would be right now if the United States and Russia. had created peace and a security infrastructure  around Europe. Uh I think appropriately positioned. NATO as an alliance against the excesses of  Sino expansion. It would be a safer world. It. would be a more prosperous world all the way  to Asia because Russia extends into Asia and.

right. So you would have a western block, you  know, of not identical countries. Russia's got. a different system, different culture, different  language, different history, but so many aligned. interests with NATO when it comes to countering  extremism, having strong borders, uh, you know, all of the things that, uh, trade, right? One of  the most mineral-dense countries in the world, right? It's basically a western country, produced  dastfki. Don't don't tell me otherwise. Anyway, yeah, I I couldn't agree more, but I just want  to get to the something I've never gotten past.

which is the question of whether the Russian  government stole those emails from the DNC. during the Democratic primary. And then this DNC  staffer called Seth Rich is murdered in Washington. DC in a robbery in which his wallet is not taken.  And a number of conservative conservative people. who call themselves conservatives went on TV and  said, "I think Seth Rich was murdered because he. knew too much." And then those people were  either sued or threatened with lawsuits from.

Seth Richard's family. So everybody shut up about  it. And then Julian Assange is asked repeatedly, who runs Wikileaks at the time before they  sell him to prison for talking like this, "Did the Russians send you that information?"  And he goes, "No. Did Seth Rich and he says, we're not going to talk about that." that. So, the  heavy implication is that Seth, and I don't know. the answer despite knowing Julian Assange, but um  the heavy implication was that Seth Rich sent this. information because he was offended by how the DNC  was taking Bernie Sanders out was was basically.

all behind Hillary Clinton. It was a rigged  election and they were crushing Bernie Sanders. and he was offended. So, he leaked these emails  and they killed him for it and no one was allowed. to talk about that. I don't know if that's what  happened, but I knew someone at very high level. at the DNC who thought that thought that's what  happened and no one's ever talked about it again. We we in Congress had people that were um doing  various roles within the DC Police Department.

come and say we want to be whistleblowers and  we want to talk about the way in which this. investigation was was truncated and we didn't get  to really uh do the FBI took over. Yeah. Do the. shoe leather work. But but there's a way that the  FBI can involve themselves in these investigations. that doesn't strip the agency completely away  from their partners to also participate. And so. these whistleblowers were concerned about that and  then you know ultimately they they weren't really. given much of a platform and to well we never saw  Seth Rich's laptop and and that story just ended.

And I'm not alleging, but like isn't the tell in  that how it kept shifting? Like first it was the. emails and then it was uh Vladimir Putin had  taken over Facebook with $120,000 and then it. was actually like George Papidopoulos uh in in a  London bar. Uh then it was Don Jr. at Trump Tower. It was it was uh an effort to uh obscure the  lack of quality in any of these theories by.

just having a sufficient quantity of them. Well,  that's always that's that's called flooding the. zone and that's what happened. I'm watching that  happen right now. Um that's what always that is. the most classic move of anyone involved in  a SCOP with the intel community. Um yeah, you just you just fl you see this with UAPs. It's  pretty obvious what they are actually in my view, but no, it's it's this. It's men from Mars. It's  a advanced technology program. It's like whatever.

Yeah. They flood it with too many theories. And  you think that's what happened there? Of course, because none of the theories could individually  hold water. And I I had a recent conversation with. CIA director John Ratcliffe where and I like John,  but I I chastised him for not answering some of. these like fundamental questions. Joseph Miffs was  this professor who was drawn into an intelligence. operation against the United States. He was drawn  into that operation either by the United States or. one of our allies. How do we not know the answer  to that question? This was the this was the key.

thing that that we said we were going to uncover  when we got power. And uh I know they got a lot of. work to do to keep the country safe, but I would  encourage the director of the CIA to really tell. us the CIA's role. What's the answer, do you Well,  I believe that uh some of this crowd in the Obama. administration knew that their direct management  of an asset against the Trump administration would. create paperwork, payments, you know, complicating  things that could be found out. And so they went.

to other uh other European countries and said,  you know, you do us a favor, we do you a favor, but the favor we want from you is actually to go  against our country, our presidential candidate, Donald Trump. And that is treasonous. That is  straight treason to ask another country to attack. your country. Uh and I think that occurred and I  think that if we knew uh who had authorized that. we we would have a person to be at the center  of this broader Rico conspiracy. Yeah. And it. traditionally it's been Britain and France who  play that role. Um huge intel presence in Italy.

as well. Exactly. It's one of the biggest.  Now with the growth of NATO under this war, it's Romania, it's Eastern Europe, it's wherever  you have a NATO base, you have there are a lot. of other things that come with it, of course. So  you've seen this a lot where American political. actors or IC members in the United States use  foreign governments to do their work for them. Yeah. And I I u am concerned that that doesn't  just happen abroad, that that happens even within.

the eight square miles of Washington DC. Did you  feel when you worked there that there was a lot. of intrigue? You know, there's always intrigue,  but I I think that um a lot of the decisions that. get made in Washington are detached from the  elected leaders and there probably should be. more intrigue. Actually, our lawmakers should be  more curious and inquisitive and skeptical. What.

do you mean a lot of the decisions that are  made are detached from elected leaders? Well, look, take a take these bills that get written,  right? Like, do you think that anyone who voted. for the one big beautiful bill act was trying to  outlaw hemp? Like, it it just was stuck in the. bill and then they voted for it. And however you  feel about hemp, I think it's kind of crazy that. uh an issue wouldn't even get its own dignity.  like the the lashing together of disperate issues. for just an up or down vote that kind of becomes a  shirts and skins um uh exercise is a way to detach.

from the realities of the decision-m and those  decisions are made by staff by interest groups. by foreign countries at times. What's going to  happen in the next two election cycles? I think. we are uh headed for a blood bath in the midterms  for a few reasons, primarily history. Uh you the. president's party loses seats during the midterms.  I don't think I'm breaking any news there. Um and.

I I think that the other side's just really worked  up and they they have an organizing principle. The. organizing principle of the left in America today  is we hate Trump. And they don't really need any. more than that. And there's something elegant  politically about using that to activate voters. Yeah, totally. Whereas we're trying to tell people  to reward us for securing the border. And voting. is rarely an exercise in rewarding prior conduct.  It is always about new promises. Uh what are the.

new promises you're making? And right now, a lot  of people have economic anxiety around the cost. of living. And I think the Democrats again have  an elegant presentation to make which is we're. going to take the things that cost you a lot of  money and have the government provide those to. you and then those things won't cost you a lot  of money. And we try to make an argument about. economic theory that doesn't always land with the  same poignance. So midterms in a year very tough. Yeah. We I think I think Hakeim Jeff becomes the  speaker. I think that uh they will then be the.

problem is the candy becomes the poison for them  because uh when they do this big elect us so that. we can use all these tools to fight Trump then  once once they get that power they're going to. be pressed to continually use the silliest ones  and think about what they've already you they've. already used like the the attempted application  of criminal law that backfired they already used. the impeachment process that backfired and so  what What I think Democrats believe or or what.

they've recently been conditioned to believe is  that shutdowns are good for them under Trump. That that's good politics. So my prediction is  Democrats win the midterms. They execute a series. of ransomlike shutdowns uh on Trump. The country  gets weary of that and probably elects JD Vance. president in 2028. What's the field look like in  2028 on on our side? I mean, I'm just assuming.

that there will be, you know, Ted C I mean, Ted  Cruz is running, I guess, against you, apparently, which is I'm not I've never seen that. It's it's  odd to have someone running for president against. that the organizing principle of their campaign  is to attack someone else who is not running for. president. It's it's a novel or ever will for Ted,  but you know, Ted, what is that? Ted and Ronda. Santis uh both want to be president really bad,  but they're just they suffer from a likability. problem and and they're not really having a good  time. I can tell. And when you run for president,

looks miserable. When you run for president,  there's an element of it where the people have. to feel like they're a part of something fun.  And and that's something Trump understood. That's. something Charlie Kirk understood. And you know,  for for Ron and Ted, it is, you know, the campaign. is sort of something they have to do in order to  get the power that they seek. So what is that int? I mean I could see you know Ronda Santz has been  really successful in a lot of ways. I would vote. for him again for governor. If if he could run  again for governor Florida I would too despite. the fact he signed a hate speech law in Israel  which is like so offensive to me as an American.

Not cuz I'm against Israel but we don't have hate  speech laws in the United States. And when we do. we don't sign them in foreign countries. So I you  know what but you'd still vote for him again for. governor of Florida? Oh without thinking about  it for sure. I think he's been a great governor. You could whatever quibble about it, but generally  no. He's been great. I totally agree. But Ted Cruz. is not going to be president. Ob obviously nobody  thinks that. I'm sure Mrs. Cruz doesn't think. that. She probably wants to get out of the house.  Who knows what's going But why doesn't Ted, who's.

famously obviously the smartest person in America,  why can't he see that? Well, I I I think that, as we were discussing earlier, uh running for  president is an itch that doesn't go away with. one scratch. I think that, you know, he believed  he should have defeated Trump in the 2016 election. and he's toiling in the Senate until he gets gets  a bite at the apple. I think on the other side, I I would have believed before Kla Harris that the  Democrats had nominated their last straight white.

guy that that Yeah, they're just not I mean, it  is that, you know, it is a movement that stands. against straightness and white people. Is Gavin  straight? I I I He seems to be pretty enthusiastic. heterosexual. uh based on some of his personal  conduct. Again, you never know. It could be an. omnivore. There are some of those. Uh yeah, we're  not the bedroom police, but Oh, no. I I don't even. want to think about it, honestly. But uh Nome has  at least demonstrated power. And I think that is.

what Democrats have lacked in this time in the  wilderness, in the Trump era, is that no one steps. up and says, "I'm ready to use power effectively."  And when Gavin Newsome stole those congressional. seats with Prop 50 in California, it it was an  effective exercise of power. And I think voters. may reward him for that. Uh uh you know, someone  else in the Democratic party who wants to be. president told me that it was actually Kla Harris  who has like reignited the prospects of Gavin. Newsome. If they had just run Biden and lost, they  would have never gone back to another straight.

white guy. But, uh, rolling out Harris and the  embarrassment that that was has people thinking, well, you know, maybe we don't want to try this  again. No, that's that's I believe that. Uh, just. knowing what they're like. They're just they're  just transactional. They just want power. That's. it. They don't have any beliefs. They just want to  be in charge. And I get it. I find it terrifying. Uh, but that's who they are. And I also think that  when Gavin started going on conservative podcasts, that's when I was like, "Oo, you are  formidable." I mean, he didn't, you know,

defend his own policies very effectively, but it  didn't matter. He he like went on other people's. podcasts and took questions. Ballsy. Yeah. Well,  that in that in in essence is an indictment of. Harris because Harris could not have an extended  intelligent conversation about anything. And so, just getting over the most basic of hurdles to  be able to string sentences together was this. great display of talent in the Democratic party.  And he'll say anything. He just doesn't Yeah. But. look at what they've been through, right? Joe  Biden never did extended discussions. Harris.

never did extended discussions. So he was giving  the base at least some viewpoint into into his. thinking on things. So you think Gavin will be  the nominee right now? I would say so. I think. that AOC is going to make a compelling run  and I think she will be formidable as well. If Bernie really does the handoff like you and I  like Bernie has this like kind of goofy professor. persona but in reality Bernie's like a deeply  selfish person. He's selfish and he's a total.

coward and and he believes he is the leader of  the Democratic party. Well, but he's won every. argument in it. Maybe he is the leader of the  Democratic party. Like if you look on policy, Bernie is has won the argument on this shift  towards socialism. But, you know, they the party. structurally did things twice to stop him from  becoming the nominee. They stole the election from. him twice. Yeah. And he sat back and is like, "Oh,  I'm been kind of a sexist. I'm sorry." I mean,

he's such a [ __ ] coward. I can't deal with it.  If he was real, at least I would respect it. AOC, same thing. Yeah. ASC is a very different  person today than when she got to Congress, you know, in terms totally corrupted, co-opted  uh completely. Oh, the Gaza war is fine. It's. like what? She when we were ousting McCarthy, like  she came up to me and was like, you know, I really. respect this because I'll be honest, we don't have  the guts to do this on our side. What's she like? Uh before January 6th, she was incredibly chummy  with Republicans in Congress. Would regularly come.

over to our side, sit down, hang out, talk about  her day. Uh, did you ever date her? I did not. No. Did you try? No. And uh not my cup of tea. But  she uh after January 6th uh like treated us all. like you know we had horns or something. So she  gave this kind of famous statement after January. 6th and said you know as a trauma survivor I was  traumatized. I was almost killed that day. Do you. think was that real? No. But it is reflective  of the performance art of of Congress and it.

was just bad performance art. How could you  get points from anyone for being like, "Yeah, I'm a I'm a terrified little girl." Because on  I find that contempt. No, you can't be in charge. of anything if you're a terrified little girl.  Sorry. But we are a society that is increasingly. built on grievance identity. Um you are the the  the grievance that you can access, right? And. so if you are uh you know a woman, that's can be a  source of grievance if you're a minority. And then.

like you have you have people who are just odd and  say, "Well, maybe if I'm trans, then that can be. this source of grievance." And then you have a  bunch of men, white men, looking around saying, "Well, I guess I'll be a drug addict because then  like that can be my my source of grievance." And. uh you know that she was leaning into that. She  wanted to show that she had been agrieved by. this act and and should be owed some some unique  empathy, but she revealed that she's afraid that. she's a coward. Like how is that a thing people  respect on a gut level is strength and courage?

That's it. So I just don't I don't get like what's  the I mean yeah strength, courage and sincerity. grows from strength and courage. I'm brave enough  to tell you what I really think. Yeah. And I I got. to a point where I was I was confident enough  with my district where I could say the things. I believed that I knew they didn't because even  if they disagreed with me on a subject there they. knew I came to that view sincerely that I wasn't  holding marijuana legalization is something you.

and I disagree on. Yeah. Uh I I disagreed with  a majority of my constituents on that point. I. authored Florida's marijuana law. I support  President Trump rescheduling marijuana. And. uh the when when people at my First Baptist church  in Fort Walton Beach, Florida, came up to me to. say they really disagreed with me on that, they  did not vote against me as a consequence because. they knew that that these were views that that  I sincerely hold. Well, I I I I could be one of.

those congregants at the baptist in the Baptist  church because I I agree with that. you know, I don't expect people to agree with all of my  eccentric views or my heartfelt views. It's. okay. We're different people, but can't deal  with falseness at all. And and that I think. was the magic of Trump. And I think that's a  magic that he knows he needs to reignite on the. campaign trail going into these midterms. The the  connection directly with the American voter that. no matter who you are, if you're the president and  behind the Resolute Desk and in the Rose Garden,

it's a different experience than being out  on the trail in Lancaster, Pennsylvania. So, what's AOCC's lane? Is it the the Bernie lane?  Okay. But the Bernie lane was the economic lane, which I always had respect for. I didn't  agree with all of it, but we've got too many. billionaires and not a big enough middle class.  That's true. That's factually true. And anyone. who says it, I will agree with. And he used  to say that in the open borders lane. I mean, totally. Well, they're two are related. I mean,  we have all these billion open borders. They.

weren't always. I mean, Bernie at one point as  part of his like pro-American worker agenda was. actually for restricted immigration. But no, no,  I'm saying they're related in that, but it's the. AOC coralary. It's to take the Bernie social issue  like economic socialism and lash it to unchecked. border borders. If you care about the the lopsided  economy where all the wealth is concentrated in. too few hands and the country's becoming unstable  as a result, it's becoming pre-chavist Venezuela. We're going to get a revolution if this  continues. I wrote a book about this.

If you care about that, you have to ask, how did  that happen? And the main way it happened was by. unchecked immigration, which devalued labor.  That's people have less economic power because. they're more people willing to work for less.  It's really simple. It's why organized labor. always supported immigration restrictions. They're  the ones who got them in 1924. They closed the. borders for that reason. And Bernie was from that  tradition. And I always respected it. And then he. became this kind of, you know, neoliberal hybrid  where he's like, "Oh, we got to fight Russia and.

it's racist to be against borders and like what?"  You know what I mean? We have to send money to. Israel. What? Like, so I don't think that's a real  lane. I don't think it's sustainable lane. Do you? It it it is a sufficient cohort of voters to  virtue signal kind of a a reignition of Bernie's. economic policies alongside like the that she  will stand up and say no more money for Israel, no more money for ICE and universal basic income  for Americans and open borders. That will be the.

core of the open borders with universal basic  income and print more by the way. Like I mean. did you see what we just did in the economy in  this past week? We are we are printing money to. buy our own debt right now. The self-licking  ice cream cone, the electric windmill, I know there's right how much of it is real when  we're printing money to buy our own debt. Yeah. And the explosion of personal wealth among people  I know is just unbelie not me but I at all but I.

all of a sudden you know people who are just  like you know worth hundreds and hundreds of. millions of dollars whereas I never and I grew  up in rich people world I never really knew. anyone with hundreds and hundreds of millions.  One in every 10 Americans is a millionaire now. actually. Yeah. You're including assets. Yeah.  Yeah. Well homeowners are millionaires now. So. well and and that you know if you talk about the  revolution coming I mean housing is as likely to.

be a part of that as anything else because the way  housing is indexed to what people make and what. they can afford is insane in this country. Yeah.  And I'm totally opposed to revolutions. However, if there was ever a reason to have one, it's that  that's a that's a real grievance. I think that's. totally Isn't it kind of what all revolutions are  about? Like where am I going to live? What's going. to Yeah. And how do my kids have kids? You know,  how does this continue? How do my genes thrive. when I'm gone? I mean Yeah. Have you noticed this  trend online where all these like uh lonely women.

in their 30s are making car selfie videos about  their personal anguish that they can't find men? I post one recently got millions of views and it  what what's so like I feel com I feel comp I feel. sad for these women. I mean my wife has so many  friends who are beautiful, accomplished, wonderful. people but they cannot find men. they cannot find  men to to marry them and it they start to feel. the clock ticking and it's it's really a lonely  world out there. Well, I think it's important to.

identify how we got here and certain bad ideas  played a huge role. feminism, which is like just. a total lie on every level, but also the way the  economy is structured where businesses decided. it would be a good idea to bring women into the  workforce a better idea than say like supporting. families or allowing people to have children like  was more important to have female workers than it. was to have American families. This is a this  is a constant discussion we have on on my One. American News program is like, can you have both?  Because I do see women who excel in people can.

have both who build businesses, who have great  ideas and are the center of their family. Well, I certainly know a lot of women in the workplace  who are amazing. And if women left the workforce, you know, my business would fall apart. Yeah. I  mean, and they're the best. And anyone who's an. employer, I'm a small bore employer, will tell you  female employees, man, they're there's some jobs. type A women. Well, that's crush it. That is 100%  right. of course. And uh and they're also like. just the greatest people to work with if you're  a man because there's no competition. They're so.

nice. They're always nice. I I've I'm 56. I've  never had a dispute with a woman at work ever. Not one. I've seen them mistreat each other in a  way the North Koreans could learn from. It's like. truly cruel the way they behave to each other. But  if you're a male employer having female employees, it is 100% upside. They will never stop thinking  about their job. They will never stop being nice. to you. They're great at their job. Certain jobs,  they're the only ones who can do it because they.

Do you think men are out there looking for jobless  women? Because I certainly wasn't when I was like, you know, single and trying to find a wife. I  I was not out there like seeking someone who. had nothing else going on but to serve me in a  marriage. I think it people's passions and women. will choose their family if given their choice  and some won't. I mean, there's of anomalies in. every cohort, but but what do you say to the ones  who are like, "I want to make that choice." This. millions of women out there that are like, "Please  present me the guy who isn't spending all this day.

playing Fortnite and, you know, hanging out at the  tattoo park." Well, look, men, the first thing to. know is men and women need each other. They can't  exist separately or they're destroyed. They have. to destroy themselves 100%. They fit together like  puzzle pieces and they can't live alone. Again, there are exceptions to all of these rules,  but over populations, these are hard and fast. rules that have existed since Adam and Eve. So,  it's just a fact. And if you ignore that fact, you'll be destroyed. And we are because  we've ignored it. So, most women, if given. the choice between going to work at JP Morgan or  staying home and raising their small children,

will of course choose staying home and raising  their small children if they're given the choice. They're not given the choice cuz feminism, total  [ __ ] lie. There no choices. Get to work. Well, often times it's people's economic conditions  that take the choice away. If you're if you're. sitting on $130,000 in student loans because  you were told that you had this great That's the. point I'm making. Great future. They don't have a  choice. That's why they do it. And it's a Hobson's. choice. But it's not marital bondage as much as  it's economic bondage to debt. Marriage isn't.

bondage for women. Marriage, family is the context  in which women have the most power. Women have no. power outside of their relationships. Women are  relational. So if you want to empower women, have power in business, they can have wealth,  they can have money. That's not power. That's not. power. Who has more power over you? Your employee  or your mom? Your employee or your wife? Your. employee or your employer or your daughter? Real  power is the power to influence other people. And.

women outside the family have very little within  the family. They have huge power. There's no man, almost all of it. Almost all of it. There's no man  who ignores his wife. There's no son who ignores. his mother. There's no father who ignores  his daughter. And so, I mean, there may be, but they're they're freaks. The average man is  influenced by women in the family more than any. other place. So, if you want to empower women,  put them at the center of a family. If you want. to disempower them, put them at the center of  City Bank. It's super simple. And liars and dumb. people like [ __ ] feminists like, "No, real power  comes from money and job title." And it's like,

that's a lie. And anyone who believes that is an  idiot. But they think it's their power to get a. man. Like there was this theory that the way you  prepare yourself to get the husband you want is. to showcase like your LinkedIn resume and and  your and your who told them that? I think you. don't you don't think there are a lot of women  who are going to wa watch this program. They may. have tuned out by now. Uh to say and say, "Yeah,  like I actually thought if I had the big job and.

had the house that a man would want." Are you  being serious? I mean, look, I shouldn't be. surprised if people believe dumb things because  look around. But that's the dumbest of all. Look, imagine believing that and now being caught. How  much social science do we need? First of all, we don't need any cuz we just know our lived  experiences. But there's a lot of study on. this. If you're interested, I happen to be. Women  do not want to marry men who make less than they. do. Period. In any society in which that becomes  the case, you find marriage dropping off a cliff.

That's what happened to black America. Black  people used to be married like everybody else. Then black women started making more than black  men. The marriage rate declined. Rural America, rural whites, I live in a place like this. The  women on average make more than the men because. they work at the hospitals and the schools.  The men have only seasonal work. Guess what? No. marriage. So if you want to discourage marriage,  set up a system where the women make more, which is the system that we have. That's why  people don't get married because women make more. And the women are making that decision. They don't  want to. They may want to sleep with him. They may. want to have his babies. They don't want to marry  him. It's just a fact. Ask them. Ask a woman,

"Do you want to marry a man who's shorter than  you or makes less than you?" And the answer is. no. But nobody asks women because nobody cares  because the idea is to destroy the country, its people, and its most basic structure, the  family. So, it's just like, "We're going to do. this in your name and tell you what you want." But  they don't want that. And if you ask ask 15 women, "Do you want to marry a man who's shorter than you  or makes less than you?" No, I've asked. And yeah, you're right. It's I'm I'm so lonely. I need  to find someone. I have so much love to give. I've built a great life. I want to share it with  someone. And then it's like, okay, well, a woman.

says that. Oh, no. Women say this. And then I say,  well, like, are you cool? That's the dumbest thing. I've ever heard. Are you cool with a guy who  like makes less than 100 grand? Well, you know, that shows that he doesn't have ambition. Oh,  what about someone who's a little shorter? Well, I want to feel, you know, I want to feel feminine.  And if someone's shorter, that I don't think I'll. be able to. Things are more [ __ ] up than I real  people actually believe that. What? Look, a man's. job is to protect and provide. Period. Those  are his jobs. Protect and provide. period. Yeah.

But when that class of men is shrinking because  testosterone is falling because of the kind of the. war on masculinity that we've endured for the last  40 years, um when that resource isn't available, then women start to say, "Well, I've I've got to  put a roof over my own head. I've got to protect. and provide for myself." And there are a lot of  them who would say, "Where is my protector and. provider?" I get it. I'm not attacking women. I'm  just at all. I feel so I've got three daughters. I feel so sorry for women. I I do. And I, as  a man, I always blame the man first. Always.

100%. It's your job. You're the man. Your wife's  unhappy. Whose fault is that? Yours. The kids are. out of control. The job of a husband to keep your  wife 100%. That's your job. I I literally couldn't. agree more. And if she's a drunk or something,  it's not going to work. It's out of your control. But in a normal marriage with two sober people who  are kind of trying, it is up to you. By the way, her happiness is not contingent on yours. Your  happiness is contingent on hers. That's the great. equalizer designed by God to keep balance in a in  a relationship. I don't know a single man who's.

truly happy whose wife hates him. Of course, I  don't know one. And and the reason our system, our biology is set up that way is because man  men are physically dominant. So you could just. beat up your wife and rape her and make her do  whatever you wanted. But sounds terrible. Exactly. It sounds terrible. Exactly. That's exactly the  point. It sounds terrible. Men don't want that. They want a woman to be sexually attracted to him,  to be happy, to have real orgasms, to be they want. it to be genuine. And that's the equalizer. You're  totally focused on your wife's happiness. That.

keeps it equal. That gives her power. That's where  her power comes from. This is how do we fix it? By. letting people observe the laws of nature, which  they ignore at their peril. You can't ignore the. laws of nature around you or you get killed. Well,  nature is sending us the message when we see the. declining birth rate, when we see the societal  impact. Uh, nature is sending us the message. that this isn't working. Yeah. And you're not  allowed, you're like considered some sort of weird. religious freak when you're like, uh, I don't  know. Unnatural sex acts gives rise to disease.

People like, "Shut up. Shut up." Well, they do. I  mean, I don't know. Have you I've been alive for. 56 years. I've I've watched this. That's just a  fact. I'm not saying I want it to be that way. I'm. not in charge of nature, actually. And I'm not in  charge of human nature above all. None of us is. Do you really know women who think if they get a  big salary in a house, some guy will want to marry. them? Oh yeah. Would you want? There are there  are many who will watch this discussion and say, "I am that. I am perfectly suited for marriage.  I have everything. I've done everything society.

has asked of me. I got an advanced degree. I got  a six-figure job. I my LinkedIn is fire. I do five. spinning classes a week. I look good." And you  know, every every man that I find either is on the. dating apps and they have so much optionality that  there's not really an incentive to anchor your. life with someone or they're losers and you know  they can be losers who've inherited money and and. uh just have no desire to build something beyond  that. I mean I I'm sorry to sound like a liberal.

I do blame society. I blame what people are  taught and uh propag you know the lies that they. get through propaganda. um for convincing them  that something so obviously absurd could be true. I mean, of course, men find that emasculating,  unappealing. No man wants to marry a woman with. her own house and a higher income than him. No  way. And she doesn't want to marry him. You know, if if uh you know, you had you had marriage as  this thing that gave people financial security,

right? And people, you know, 40s and 50s, people  were getting married and then then you're bound. to someone economically. Yeah. Uh and built a life  together. You got married in your 20s and did your. thing. Uh and then when we did no fault divorce,  then marriage really became a contract like. more more than anything else. And just like any  other contract, when you're out of the contract, there are certain obligations that you still have  to fill financially and otherwise. And then uh you. know the the obvious next step is well if marriage  is a contract like kind of so is dating in a weird.

way on like what you will provide and what I'll  provide. And if you know at at the end of it, you know, there are women who say like, "Yeah,  if I'm going to spend my time to go on a date, I want you to pay for it." Uh, think that's  where we are. And I don't mind like when I hear. women say that they go out and the guy wants to  split the check. To me, there's nothing there's. nothing chivalous or interesting about that.  I think that Well, it's awful. Look, again, men and women need each other. They compliment  each other. Any attempt tame each other. We men.

are necessary to tame women and women must tame  men 100%. And without each other they become just. industrial components who can be manipulated by  global capital or whatever whatever your force. you're afraid of. The only real protection is your  family and that includes the one not just you were. born into but the one that you start yourself.  That's your bull work. That's your fortress. And if people are making it impossible for you to  build that fortress, like I respect the whole man.

It's not just like what you say you believe. It's  how do you live? If I had a camera in your house, would do your kids respect you? Does your wife  respect you? If not, why would I respect you? I. feel that like do you think that the notion of  the barren life is what motivates people like. Lindsey Graham to go to 100%. 100%. Like  a normal person goes home, you go home. I don't know if you and I are normal, but just  like a conventional person goes home and it's like. I've got all kinds of views, but like continuity  matters to me because I've got descendants. If you.

have no descendants, it like ends with you and you  don't believe clearly these people none of these. people believe in God. So it's like I don't know.  I got 15, 20 years, five, three years, whatever. I have. We don't know. And I I it doesn't matter  what happens after that. Oh, that's scary. That's. day trading with the world, right? With your life.  No, but with everyone else's life, you think, why would Lindsey Graham carry? He's 70 years old.  He's not he has no kids. Like, why does it matter. if there's a nuclear war? I mean, he's looking  just at he's not the back nine. It's like the back.

three at this point. Like, his options are like  heart disease, cancer, and Alzheimer's. That's it. There's no tomorrow. Sad, don't you think? Uh I I  do think I mean, you know, having having children. vests you in the future in a way that not having  children just doesn't. I mean, hasn't it changed. your attitudes? Of course. Of course. And and uh  you know, the way you care about what comes after. you shifts dramatically. Well, it was like maybe  10 years ago, some smart friend of mine sent me.

this list of European leaders. I'm interested  in Europe. So, so I felt like I knew a lot. I. didn't know that like none of them had kids. And  it's I remember thinking that's not First of all, you can't say anything about that because you want  to seem like you're attacking people without kids, which I'm not. I'm feeling sorry for them. I'm  attacking the idea of childless leadership. You. can't have leaders with no kids because they're  not thinking long term because why would they? And look what happened to Europe and the Harris  campaign. And the Harris campaign. Yeah. Whatever.

h what's going to happen to her? She's running  again. You haven't seen the news. She's assembling. her team and for what? President. Yes. Come  on now. I as we've said, it's an ambition that. resurfaces often in one. What I mean, you know  a lot more about this than I, but like let's. say you decide you're going to run for president.  How how does your party exert influence on you to. like stop? That's such a bad idea. You would think  someone in the Democratic party be like be able to.

say no. Uh I don't know. I again who's like you  assume the Obamas are in charge of that party. So potentially they could move her to another  path. But you know they'll have a crowded field. It may be the case that having ancillary people  around soaking up votes is good for the ultimate. objective. I can't imagine the Obamas in the Gavin  Newsome world would mix well. Uh that's not really. the same vein of the Democratic party. Do you know  anyone who's friends with her or knows her? Well,

Harris. No, I don't think I do. That's kind of  strange considering you know everybody. I know. a lot of people, but I I can't say that there was  a single member of Congress I ever interacted with. that that could talk about any um you know private  moment or um like in-depth conversation they'd. ever had with Kla Harris. So there was really no  constituency for her. Like it wasn't I mean that. was Yeah. I I think that Democrats believed that  there is this vast part of the population whose.

dream candidate is some combination of Michelle  Obama and Oprah and like the closest they could. get was like bargain basement Kla Harris to go  and attempt to achieve that archetype and it. just didn't didn't work out. So it was all about  race and gender. I I think that uh that that was. a huge part of it and it it we saw the limits of  playing into those uh those impulses with Harris.

Last question. Where do you think the country  goes in the next say three years? Like what are. the big trend? No, what are the big trends? Um,  obviously, you know, we're going to see automation. in the next three years at in a level that you and  I have never seen in our lives. You really believe. we'll see that in the next three years? I do. I  I I believe that automation in transportation, in agriculture, in manufacturing will be the new  the new dominant force in our lives. And I don't.

think that's going to be entirely good. Uh I think  that it's inevitable because the capabilities when. when you think automation will be a dominant force  in our lives for years. Yes. I think that that. like I will tell my grandkids what it was like to  order food from a person. That will not be that. will go the way of the the pay phone. Uh there  are like 7 million American men who make their. living driving today in in one form or another.  Those jobs are gone in the next half decade.

Where do those people go? I I think that's when  you start to see these calls for universal basic. income. Uh because we will say that there's  there's such wealth being created on a lot. of these tech platforms that that doesn't get  shared broadly. And I I worry that that uh that. draw politically is something that will zap the  motivation of the country in a bad way. Like look, just look at this healthcare debate that's  happening at right now as a microcosm of of of.

this trend. uh Republicans are trying to cobble  together something that they think is a free. market approach to healthcare as if as if anything  in healthcare is a free market and Democrats are. just saying we're going to give you free stuff  for longer. And I think that Republicans in. swing districts have seen that and said we can't  beat that. So we have to have our own version of. we'll give you free stuff longer. And you may see  these uh these Obamacare credits extended via a.

discharge petition that does just that. And that  brings the right in America in line with where the. right has moved in Europe which is toward you  economic liberalism which I'm not for. I think. you'll see what also has happened in Europe where  the richest people the Bill Aman's the bottom. feeders like Bill Aman nonproductive elements of  the economy who just like made billions of dollars. shorting stocks. Those people are totally fine.  They offshore their money. They find ways around.

tax compliance, but it's the level down. It's the  65y old Florida retirees who own some insurance. company in Indiana. They spent their whole life  building it. They sold it for 5 million bucks. Exactly. Exactly right. Exactly. They have they  have like just enough money. Exactly right. To. live on a golf course outside Sarasota. Love Ron  DeSantis. Love Trump. And those people are going. to see everything stolen from them. and and and  the method of theft will be the devaluation of.

their existing assets. It will be the deep that's  it especially real estate. I totally agree with. that and I think in taxation just like the the the  and I love Steve Bannon so I don't want like my. our last discussion to come across as a criticism  of of Steve but I mean he's going to run for. president on the on just a straight uh Elizabeth  Warren wealth tax economic agenda actually. Yeah, he's going to run for president and say, "Take  the money from those people who have way too.

much of it, the Bill Amans of the world, and I  want to give it to you." I wonder if that has. it ever it always seems like those people flee  the country. I mean, Miami is filled the people. who fled other countries. That's exactly right.  And they live in splendor. Not attacking them, but like they didn't give up their money.  They just left. and then the middle class, upper middle, upper middle class especially just  get hammered and that is the core of your society, right? Uh it it won't last that way and you know  Trump's elections have been I think a reaction to.

that broader trend we've experienced for decades  and uh you know what I what I hope doesn't happen. is that it just becomes a policy race to the  bottom to try to you know throw insufficient. solutions at that. You know, things like, "Well,  we'll just give them free houses. We'll just give. them free healthcare. The robots will just  build the houses in national parks." Right. Right. Isn't that Wouldn't that be awful? Matt  Gates, thank you for spending all this time.

It's always good to see you. And I'm just glad  that you survived everything and you're thriving. Likewise. Are you running for president? No,  not of this country. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Well, some Americans have become cut off from  the things that once kept us grounded. Our land, the skills that tied our families to nature.  Told you he's getting his next. And to remind us, we made a new six-part series, American Game,  Tales from the Wild. We follow the sportsmen.

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