Ken Paxton: How Soros Protects Drug Cartels, Being Blacklisted by Fox News, and the Laken Riley Act

Thank you for coming on, Mr. Attorney General. Glad to be. The most pressing problem, I think. it's fair to say, as an outsider in. Texas is immigration. It's totally changed your state in. every way. Do you expect that the new. administration and the executive. orders in the first couple of days. are going to have a material effect, a noticeable effect? I know they are. Just because I saw. what happened four years ago or. eight years ago when Trump came into. office. I mean, I went through. I've been in politics since Bush was. in office. And and I've seen. how Republicans and Democrats have.

dealt with immigration. They have not dealt with effectively. because they have not enforce. federal law. Trump was the first. president to use the force. of our federal laws, which are which. are good and designed to protect us, whether it was remain in Mexico or. whether it was Title 42 or it was. stopping catch or all these basic, some said things like building a. wall. Those things work. They just absolutely work. And just what he's done in the first. couple of days is is is. significant in changing where Biden. was taking us.

So one of the things you pointed out. off camera was his executive order. designating the drug cartels as. terror organizations is significant. Yes. We as states don't have. much authority to stop illegal. immigration, but the federal. government has that authority. And by by designating.

these these cartels as a terrorist. organization. Now, the military our. military force can be used to go. against them rather than just, you know, border Patrol and and. leaving the states subject to the. cartels, you know, crimes. You do wonder about the about the. power of the drug cartels. They've you. know, a lot of the weapons we've. sent to Ukraine have been sold by. the Ukrainian military onto the. black market. That's a fact. A lot up to half and. a lot of them being purchased by the. drug cartels. You see in Mexico,

pitched battles, military. engagements between the cartels and. the Mexican military, where. they're very. well-armed. Are you worried about that happening. in Texas? Absolutely. I think the Biden. administration has indirectly funded. the cartels. They have encouraged. by by saying no deportations on. day one of his administration. They've encouraged illegal. immigration. And that's a profit. center for the for the cartels. They make, you know, 8 to $12,000. a person. We have if you just do the. numbers and 40 million is a lot of.

money. They're making billions every. month. And then they can go and. use that money to buy weapons from. Ukraine, which we're funding. We're we're sending that over free. So indirectly, they're part of the. whole process of, one, allowing the. cartels to have access to our. country and allowing them to make a. profit and then to use that money. to arm themselves in a significant. way. I just it's our government. And what's it's horrifying. I mean, because, you know, some of. the weapons are surface to air. weapons. So you wonder like what's. the threat to commercial air travel? You can see things kind of starting. to fall apart.

Is there like. widespread acknowledgment of this in. Texas that we could have a serious. problem with these cartels? I think even just common. people are aware of that just. because of the influx. and the the just increased crime. associated with just everyday crime. that that people see as real as. it relates to the cartels moving. into our state. And that network that they built is. not just in Texas. They have building that network all. over the country. And they're not. going to they're not gonna want to. give it up. They're making too much. money on drugs, sex trafficking,

other crimes and the importation. of people. Every big construction site in this. country has prostitution. run by the cartels, often of. children. I don't see anyone do anything about. it. And it makes you wonder, like Mexico is completely, utterly corrupt because. of cartel money. No politicians, judges, journalists, all on the payroll. You see this in other Latin American. countries. I mean, our our. our politicians are not that. expensive. Like you could do that in.

a state like Texas, right? Well, here's the here's one of the. biggest problem we have. We have it. in Texas. We have another part of. the country. George Soros has. figured this out. He's gone in and elected DA's and. Democratic counties, Austin, Houston, Dallas, San Antonio. So 70% of. our population controlled by Soros. He went in and knocked off. Democratic ideas because we can't. get elected Republicans in those. those areas. So he went and knocked off DA's who. were actually prosecuting and. replaced them with Soros ideas. Now, our legislature could fix that.

They haven't. They could come in and say, AG, you. have concurrent jurisdiction to go. after these crimes. But because they haven't done that, crime is proliferating. in all of our cities, financial. crimes, other type of crime, because. they will not prosecute crimes. And so the cartels have an open. invitation. So do other cartels from. other countries. So if you go to our financial crime. unit in Tyler, they will. tell you about all these crime crime. groups coming in from other. countries because they know they can. get away with it. And our legislature so far has never.

has not fix that. Why? Then the question motive arises. like, why wouldn't you want to stop. crime in your state? That's a very good question. I find that DA's. have they have more power in Texas. that any elected official overseeing. because they're not accountable to. anybody, that if they commit a. crime, no one can prosecute them. If it's a state, they'd have to. prosecute themselves and they can. allow any crimes in their area and. they can go after. In Texas, it is so easy to get. indictment. You just walk in. You can tell the grand jury anything. you want. You can lie. Once you have the indictment, you've. got it. There's no getting out of.

it. And so I think a lot of our. politicians are afraid of their. DA's, even if they're liberal. Democrats. But if we don't get. control of this in our state, in. another state and give somebody. like the attorney general, I'm going. to be there forever, give that a. thought. So there's another way to. prosecute when the source dies. And sources figured it out. But the Republicans have not. I mean, it's so obvious. just in your, you know, 45 second. explanation that, you know, it makes. sense. So why is it that they haven't. figured it out or do they have a.

higher loyalty? They're afraid of the DA's. They're afraid The DA's come in and. lobby and everybody's afraid of. their own D.A. that they'll get. indicted if they do it. There's just that power. Because to get an indictment in. Texas, you don't have to. have it. There's no recording of it. It's only one side of the story. You can if they lie. and they get the indictment, there's. no remedy. There's no consequence to the D.A. and there's no remedy for the victim. of that lie. You are going to trial. You can even if somehow you could. find out what happened in that. secret grand jury proceeding,

which I have before, it. doesn't matter. You can go to a. judge and say they lied, you still. are indicted and you're still at. risk of going to prison. You have to tell your kids you've. been indicted. And you might be in prison. You might be in front of a jury that. doesn't know the truth and you go to. jail or you're in a, you know, Democratic county, you might go to. jail on something that. they made up. So you you really think I mean, I'm sorry to be so naive, but I grew. up in this country and we didn't. have things like this that I was. aware of in 1985. But you. think that members of the Texas.

legislature are afraid. they'll be indicted if they push. back against the DA's? I think there is a fear and. there is this lobby these days. have so much power. Otherwise, why would they allow. Soros to control. the major cities And. the it's obvious that they're. not prosecuting crimes. They won't even prosecute. shoplifting if you give it a. free ride. If you want to sell, you. take 7 or $50 a day in Dallas. County, whatever the number is, and. you go to different stores.

You can do that every day and you. will you the day there is a we. will not prosecute you. But why would you want that unless. you're trying to destroy a. civilization? Soros That's exactly what he wants. to do. So there's no. Political goal here. It's just destabilization, right? It is so easy. It is literally so easy. to do that. And he also, I believe, got control of our court of appeals, which is our highest court. We have a bifurcated system in Texas. where the Texas Supreme Court that. that's the final appeal and civil. and the court of appeals. But no one knew who they were.

And suddenly they strike down a law. that allowed me to that directed me. to prosecute voter fraud. And they took it away just by. saying, it's unconstitutional. because you're in the executive. branch. And separation of power says. you can't be in court. How insane is that? So I've had to go run three. I'm trying to take that court back. But we right now, I can't even. prosecute voter fraud, which opens. us up to unfair elections. in Texas, which we which I was. prosecuting plenty of voter fraud. before that happened. So who who's supposed to prosecute.

voter fraud? The source does. So that's where we're at in Texas. So that's why I ran. This is a nine member court, six. year terms. They waited until two days after the. filing deadline to announce their. decision. This is a 1951 statute. that has thousands of cases of. precedent. And they came up with this insane. idea that it was unconstitutional. for the attorney general to be in. court because I'm in the executive. race. If that's true, every ag in the country is violating. the Constitution. So that was the rationale.

I had to wait two years. I recruited three people to take out. the three people that were up. So we've replaced three. We've got one good one on there, but. we're still down five four. So until we fix. those things in Texas, we're at. risk. Big time. Big time. So do you think that. these jurors, DA's have. hesitated to go after the drug. cartels? They don't. They don't go after crime in. general. They don't work. They report, they do political. crimes, but they generally.

are not there. They don't do their jobs. They don't prosecute. Even when people get killed. Hit or miss. Hit or miss. But they're not there. The message from sources. let as much crime go as possible. It's amazing that a non-U.S. citizen who hates the United States, hates the West, could have that much power in our. country. It just his money. It doesn't take very much. It does it to elect a D.A. in in Travis County, which is. Austin. You're in a Democratic primary. It doesn't take that many votes.

You've got I was working with the. D.A. there, who was a Democrat. I didn't agree with her on. everything, but she would do her. job. They spend he spends a little bit of. money, takes her out, and suddenly. now I've got a deer who want. prosecuting salmon and Burger King. I was in San Antonio. I worked with. the D.A. a lot, and Barrichello gal. and Nicola Hood, his brother, is. now converted to Republican. He's a state rep. He was awesome to work with and. He was a Democrat. He was a Democrat. He did his job. Guess what? Sauce replaced them with. money. So that's what it doesn't take him. that much money and controls our.

our our whole situation with crime. and controls our judicial system, at. least on the criminal side. And we're sitting here letting it. happen in Texas and other states. What did you think when Joe Biden. gave George Soros the Presidential. Medal of Freedom? Disgusting. I mean, the guy's done more of it. I mean, as far as I know, there are not many people in the. world that have done more harm to. our country. And he's being applauded by Joe. Biden. It's not surprising because. Joe Biden has the same motivations. Yeah. I mean, what is what did Joe. Biden do that was good and can you. name it? I can't know. They worked from day one to destroy.

what future past generations. had built this amazing country and. it. Had to be on purpose. And the reason. I say that is because you. would think that randomly he could. he would have done something good if. he weren't if it weren't purposeful, he would have had something. economically, internationally, the border, it something would have. been right. Right. Just randomly. There's no way to love average as. a victory. Once in a while, the. Bell curve tells you he would add. something good. He didn't have. anything good. It was all on the. other end of the curve. The. downside, the curve which was harm. to Americans, that that cannot be.

accidental. And to individual Americans, I think. it's absolute. But again, I just I'm. so fixated on this. Why would you want to do that? I truly believe that this and this. started, I think, with President. Obama, first president. I believe that didn't love America. They really thought we were a bad. country that thought we were racist. and that we deserved to be taken. down to another level. And I think they operate under this. idea that we're a bad country, there. were bad people and that we we don't. deserve this. And they fundamentally don't believe.

in what was created here. I truly. Believe that. And they want to. destroy it, take it down, dismantle. because. They think it's bad. They think we're bad. I don't see another explanation. There's hate behind it. There's no doubt about it. I mean, how could you how could you. wind up with it with the outcome? With people dying of drug lords on. the street and stores closing. because of stealing? And. You know, to. Think of kids cutting their own. genitals off like you would have. to hate someone. You remember the contempt that. Obama said. They cling to their religion and. their guns and their their God.

There is contempt for that. What the founders put in place a. bunch of white racists who had. slaves. And so that that. permeates his view of America. And yet that's not. there's no excuse for slavery. We messed up in that. We had we fixed it. We were move in the right direction. But his view is we're broken. because of that. And therefore, we we deserve to. be dismantled because we don't. Know about that. I mean, there are. countries where slavery still. practiced in certain countries, but there were like critical.

U.S. allies that had slavery until. the 1970s and no one ever. 1970s and no one ever mentions. that holds them responsible. Obama has no problem taking money. for speeches in those countries. He that's why it doesn't make sense. It's slavery around the world. forever. And and it's not awful. It is awful. And the U.S. and Great Britain were the reason. that we don't have it anymore. And globally, for the most. part, and no civilized country would. tolerate slavery. But if you're against slavery, by. the way, why would you be for the. drug cartels which practice slavery,

which sell people? All I know is it seems like the. things they focus on do. the greatest harm to. I totally agree. But it does. I think it's a mistake. to take their explanations at face. value. I think there's something. deeper. Like they just hate, want to. hurt people. They do not have an abiding love. Look, I didn't like Jimmy Carter's. the president. I think he did good. job. But he didn't have a hatred for. this country. And I don't think so. I don't I don't think he did. I think I think we've had a lot of. mediocre to bad presidents who still. didn't want the country to be. disliked as me. But I think it started with Obama.

Biden didn't know what he was doing. He's been told by others he was. incompetent and that. this was the third presidency of. President Obama and he didn't have. to worry about being popular anymore. because he limited himself a little. bit because he went to get reelected, taking care of Joe Biden, get. reelected. You think it's over for Obama? His influence is permanently. diminished. I think it's been impacted. Affected that it could be if we. continue the momentum, we don't mess. us up. If we if.

we get caught up in not. focusing on the best things for. America, he can come right. back in. If we don't take care of. the American people and make that. our number one focus, what's best. for the American people, if we stay. on that track, we have a really good. chance of being successful for a. long time. If we lose sight of that. and we start worry about our. Power and our. I agree with once we start taking. care of ourselves, then they. have a chance back in because the. American people will see that. I think that's really wise. I'm concerned about that. Not because of any individual.

acting in bad faith, but because. human nature. The depravity of. What it is. It's exactly right. The Presbyterians actually had. that right when they set this. government up. It was based on the depravity men. It was the reason they wanted. three branches of government that. made it so frustrating get things. done because they didn't trust. people in power, because every. human. I wouldn't trust myself in power at. all. I don't want power because I don't. trust myself. I don't think any honest person. can really say my motives.

are pure. I'm right. No, I agree with that. We all have. this pull towards. Yeah. And anyone who doesn't admit. that is a liar, right? So, yeah, I want oversight of. me, right? You know, and then you see Chuck. Schumer, like that guy needs a lot. of oversight. Like armed oversight. You know what I mean? Like all of. it. Yeah. I think you got it right. In your speech at the Bible. Museum during inauguration about. humility and realizing your need. for for for God's work in your life. And without that, you.

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appropriated money for the building. of the wall. You are not building it while you're. actually selling off assets. So we sued them. We won that lawsuit. And in May, we got an injunction. from a federal judge saying, you. dodgy, you buy an image, you cannot. sell any more assets off. So then I got a call from President. Trump, you know, a month ago and he. said they're selling assets off. So would you sell? I said, Well, I'll have to vote on. it or we get an order. So we go back into court. We tell the judge, hey, they're. selling off assets.

We've been told you don't have assets. We want an accounting. And before we got there, DOJ is. calling us, begging us. We're not we're not selling. We swear we won't sell any more. assets. They say they hadn't said we. won't sell anymore. So they they. signed agreements. They wouldn't. sell anymore. But the judge, which we. asked for, there's going to be an. accounting and there's potential. sanctions If they lied and they. follow it, they did not follow that. order. We don't know that yet. But we're going to know that soon. Now, the DOJ is switching. We're going to know that soon. And I truly believe they're selling. off assets in violation of. federal law, but in violation.

of a court order that we got in May. saying you can't sell off assets. because we were trying to protect. those assets so that if. Trump won, we would we would come. back because I knew Biden would. never build that wall even if he was. instructed by Congress to do so. How hard is it? I never have really understood Why. is it so hard to build a it seems. like a pretty straightforward infrastructure. project. It is a pretty straightforward. infrastructure project, but they. hate it. It's some kind of symbol. of, I don't know, racism or whatever. it is not. It's it protects it. protects us from exactly what we've. had. So why not pass a law that says.

anyone, any elected official who. opposes the building of a border. wall is prohibited from putting. a lock on the front door of his. house? Well, that would affect a lot of. Republicans. I mean, my own senator. would have a foot tapped over there, John Cornyn, because he's been. against the border wall saying it. wouldn't work. But we all know that. walls do work. They do work. And I've seen it. I've seen how it works. The Border. Patrol. Why would John Cornyn. be opposed to a border wall. protecting his own state? I don't understand it. I've seen quotes from him. I've seen video clips from him over. and over. How it's not enough.

It doesn't work. It's about it. He is opposed to the war. Well, he that he's I mean, boy, he's. helped to appropriate billions and. billions and billions of dollars for. border security. Other countries. I know it's really odd that he. thinks it works other places, but it. doesn't work in Texas. And he's he's sort of mocked it. and said it does it doesn't work. It's not it's not it's not fact. You hear him mock Israel's border. wall so that he will know. Well, I'd love to hear him mock. Ukraine's territorial integrity to. the girl. Nope. Never heard him do that. What is that about?

I don't understand it. I mean, I think the Bush has had the. same idea that open borders. were relatively good. I don't think that he. He or the. Bushes. But only for us. Not for no ones, no China openness. No, I don't know why. they have this view, but they I. mean, even under the Bush. presidency, I don't think they took. immigration seriously. I the first president I've ever seen. take it seriously is Donald J. Trump. How did John I mean, this is a. question I could ask. If so, no. offense. I say this is a Texas. lover's. Got a lot of relatives. there, including a child. So I love Texas.

And however, I. think you've got some of the worst. politicians in the country. Like, how did that happen? How does that happen? So. You know, I think about like the. Texas House and what's going on. there, what's gone on there for six. years where a small group of. Republicans for power. aligned themselves in the House with. the Democrats so that the speaker is. elected by mostly Democrats and a. few Republicans, they just did it. again. Dustin Barrows just got. elected by a minority Republicans. after he put the rules in place. that the caucus, the Republican.

caucus, would decide who. the speaker was. And when he lost. that vote in caucus, he walked out, cut a deal with the Democrats, and. he just became speaker of the Texas. That is for power. That is for his own personal, you know, power. And that's the Republicans that do. that have treated getting. good policy done, getting property. tax on school choice, protecting. the border, not doing impeachments. of guys that just got elected. They traded that to have power. That's all it is. With all this drug cartel money in.

your state is not going to get. better because you could just buy a. member of the Texas legislature. What would that cost? Not too much or too much. I mean, these guys, I mean, they. only make 600 hours a month. So, you know, anything is good after. that, you're. Pretty vulnerable that. Way. I think we are. And I think a lot of these people. because Texas House, you pay $600. a month. So most people that run. have to have money. You can't work. And if you don't have money, you're. getting paid somewhere for something. because it's impossible to. live on. Obviously 600 ultralight. So everybody has to either work.

and it's hard to work when you've. got a job that may take a year. out of every two years. So. specifically on John Cornyn, how how did he get to be a senator. when statewide in Texas? So this goes back to George. W Bush appointed him to be. a US Supreme Court. judge in a Texas. dream court judge. And when he did that, he authored an opinion that. created this thing called Robinhood, which takes from the wealthy school.

districts and gets to the poor, supposedly. And what that did to our system was. it created a mediocre school system. because it's just socialism. Instead of just letting the wealthy. school districts make their schools. however they want to, we've got to. take their money away. Why don't we. just fund the poor school districts? It makes no sense. But I think it's not. About helping the bottom. It's about crushing the top. It's about making it all equal. That's socialism. It doesn't work. It's never working. where we have no example that it. actually works. So and yet John Cornyn did. that for George W Bush because. George Bush wanted to be president.

He didn't want to pass a major tax. increase. So he let John do it. judicially as A54 decision. John Cornyn was on the five and. I'm pretty sure he authored it and. so. Forth in the late 90s. Yes. And for that, he. they pushed him, Rove and Bush. pushed him to be the attorney. general, Texas first Republican, actually, and then they pushed him. into the US Senate. So he has been. pushed and funded by that group. and fortunately Texans have caught. on to that and and realize. that group, whatever. they say they believe, isn't really.

what they believe because they don't. actually follow through on it. Well, I mean, we kind of know what. Bush believes. I mean, his family's out there. campaigning for Planned Parenthood, voting for Kamala Harris. I was with him two days ago. and Obama at the inauguration right. next to them crossed them. I watched him. You know, power and wealth. You know, he's friends with Obama. That's his world. That's his world. That's all well known. But what's and pretty distressing. was running mate endorse Kamala. Harris and his sad.

little daughter campaign for. Kamala Harris. So that whole world is now they're. all Democrats. But John Cornyn is still an elected. statewide elected official in Texas. He's a puppet of the left, obviously. Like, how does that continue to. happen? So I think it's because. people are as aware of what the. Bushes did and what he's done. And but they've come become more. aware because of people like you and. others who have outed that. So he's never had a real problem. He had four people running us and. none of mad money. Nobody had ever.

run before and no one even knew who. they were as all fake. Any claims? You know, you got 76% of. of course, he had nobody running in. so that I could tell you who it was. And I'm pretty involved in politics. Somebody needs to run against him. this time because he has been there. for, what, 16 years? Just in that position. Count as AG. That's four years. He was Supreme Court. I'm a Texas Supreme Court justice. and before that, etc.. He's been doing this a long time and. he's gotten away with this. It's. about time that he be held. accountable because I can't think of. a single thing that he's done for. Texas that good.

He has no claim for doing. things good for Texas, or. He's helped Zelensky, and that's. pretty much it. So, okay, so what's the process? The guy I mean, I've never met. anyone who likes John Cornyn. Never met anyone who thought he's. achieved anything. Never met anyone who thinks he's. smart. He's pompous. He's quite a self-righteous little. guy. So I think he's very unpopular with. every person I've ever met in my. life. And yet, all things being equal, he gets. reelected. So how do you how. do you stop something like that?

So I'll give you an example of what. you're just saying. So true. Right after I beat George Bush, who he he came out endorsed. course, and then he he made. disparaging comments about me being. an embarrassment to Texas. And he made some comment about. me being part of Russia. Propaganda. You're a Russian propaganda. I don't know how that happened up in. Texas. I became part of the Russian. propaganda because I criticized. him on Ukraine. He said that you were Russian. propaganda? Yes. Yes. So he said crazies. You know, people didn't used to see.

things like that. Right. Well, guess what? So who's the more loyal American, you or John Cornyn? Like I'm who's more focused on the. fortunes of his own country and his. own people? You or John Cornyn, who. obviously doesn't care at all, didn't say anything as his own state. was invaded and lectures us. endlessly to all the Intel agencies. lecturing us about Ukraine. But you're the disloyal American. It's actually like you shouldn't. see things like that. It's not talk. It's crazy insults. And so justice. The crazy thing. We have a text from. a Republican convention shortly. after the election where I won by 38.

points against George Bush, which. is a pretty significant margin in a. primary. So we have the convention. There's 12,000 Republicans there. He he and his wife walk up on stage. and for ten straight minutes he. doesn't say a word. He gets booed. for the 20 minutes that he's. speaking in, never just a speech. He gets booed the entire 20 minutes. He gets booed 30 minutes straight. I'm standing waiting to go on stage. I walk away because I'm afraid of. what I might say. After he said. these things public to me, I go up. and get a standing ovation. So there is the people of. Texas know John Cornyn,

and I don't think he'll survive. another primary. So how do you stop the cycle? So I think in Texas it's. very doable because people realize. now who John Cornyn is. We have a primary next week, not. this march, but the next March. So somebody. needs to run against for that price. In a year. Basically in a year and. two months, you have a primary. So that primary. It's. Imminent. It's coming. Yeah, absolutely. So he's he's I don't. think he's he's long for this. Senate world. So I'm sure he's got such an. enormous reservoir of skills and.

talent that he'll he'll thrive in. the private sector. Doing what? I don't know if he's ever been. there. He couldn't start my truck on a cold. day. He has no idea. He has no skills. But anyway, sorry, I'm being too. mean. But it's all true. How do you how. do you beat him in a primary? So, I mean, I've I. don't know if I'm running for sure. I'm looking at it probably in the. next few months I'll be talking to. people around the state. But, I. mean, I've run two primaries against. George Bush and another guy, Dan.

Branch, who was George one of George. W. Bush and Branch. Yeah, one. Of his close of 25, his close. friends, but very moderate. And I'm a nice guy. I've been nicer to you than he was. Me. Yeah, I served in the house was. one one always so nice to me. 6535 him. with paid a lot more money. Same with Bush. I beat him 6832. So primary voters, if they're. educated, will make good. choices based on what. you've actually done. Yes. And that was always me with Dan. Branch. We're in the house together. for ten years and I moved over to. Senate for two while he was in the. House. And I said, don't.

listen to the rhetoric. Look at the record. We both have a. record. Go look at the record. Compare them, see if they're the. same. They're not. He can say what he wants. He is not what he's. He's. He's running on my record. Look at his record. And that works. And primaries. And the same thing with John Cornyn. I bring out what he said about Trump. and how disparaging was a Trump in. 2000, 16 and 2000, just. in this last election, saying he. shouldn't run. He's not the right. guy. I mean, John's wrong about most. everything. There's very few things. he tends to side with the swamp. in Washington, and he does what Karl.

Rove tells him to do. So that that doesn't work. in Republican primaries, not in. Texas. What is Karl Rove? I mean, Karl Rove is I mean, he's. got to be 70 anyway at this point, I. would think. He's been around I. mean, I've known him for pushing 30. years. I don't think his track record is. something anyone could brag about. at all. He's wrong about his sub. genius, I would say for. sure. I'm a genius. No, you're not. And his record suggests he's not.

And so, like, why does he still have. enough or does he is he still. effective? First of all, let's be honest. He's propped up by Fox News. He has the platform. They take care of him. He he can keep people like, for. instance, I can't get on Fox. He's still on Fox News. He's still on Fox News. And he's he's kept me off for a. couple of years because I when I ran. against Bush, they got Bush on. and took me off. And all the shows I used to be on, almost all of them. Are you serious? I know that for. I know for a fact. Is a disadvantage. Karl Rove is still on Fox. He's still on Fox. I just saw him during the. inauguration. He's there a lot. I used to go in studio.

at the same place and ask and I. tried out with him. Yeah, I've been to that studio. Yeah. And he got me cut. out for sure. And I know that from. hosts of shows who have said, No, sorry a week, they. will even like I will have a case. They will. We will get. We will. Jesse, you'll talk to me. I communicate, You'll talk, They'll. bug me. Then they'll cancel me. Then they'll go try to find another. AG. They'll call a Republican. Can we find another AG? Or they'll ask for somebody else in. my office other than me. That was Karl Rove blacklisting me. Rove is booking shows at Fox News.

He just goes around and he he. he controls crazy. No, I've been told by people, you. know, that have show. Everyone. There. I just don't want to out. them. Yeah no I get it that. Have told me we can't. have you and for the last. two years I've been on Fox like. maybe a couple times. I'd be on every day sometimes. No magine if I can just say. since I know these systems, I. lived it. Imagine you're the host of a show. and you get a call saying the. sitting Republican attorney. general of the second biggest.

state is not allowed on your. air because of. reasons we won't explain, because. like Karl Rove is a totally. discredited buffoon, doesn't. like the guy you like buzz off. Well, I think he went to like Paul. Ryan and the board and just. I. Am like, why would you cave to that? Like you job is worth taking orders. You didn't cave that well. I got fired. Exactly. But that wouldn't you. Consider that like what they. always say under 3 or 4 times they. ever said anything like that to me, I'd be like, No, that's totally. great. Just put it in writing.

Just send me an email explaining. why we can't have this guest the. rationale for it and and all access. And I'll respond in writing. So did you say put it in writing? They're like, yeah, they never. call you. I'm just telling you. I just just put it in writing. It's totally fine. You know what? I've got some hearing. issues, so if you could just. write it down. Explain what exactly. about Ken Paxton is like. Verboten. I was supposed to go on a show. There was all. There's still one. host that would sort of have me. And I was supposed to go on this. show and I had two different.

settings to go and both got. canceled. I was told. you got canceled. We're moving in another direction. Yeah. Even if it's my case. I mean, I file a case and they want. another attorney general to come on. and. Talk about this. I would just never. put up with that. That's what I would always call and. say. Like what? You know, what is this? Well, the decisions being made by. whom and why. But that's why Karl Rove still has. his platform, because it's like all. the. Most disgusting kind of power, which is like stealthy feline power, a behind the scenes power, rather. than just say, you know, hear my. views.

And this is what I think and I'm. happy to debate it or whatever, I. think you're wrong. I don't like, you know, Ken Paxton's. evil. Here's why they'll never do. that, because they're not honorable. people. And I'm just talking about. at that company, I mean, more. broadly in our society, like the. people who win every bureaucratic. battle are exactly the same. They're all they. operate in darkness. You know, they're never. straightforward about anything. You talked about my I came and you. were the first person I talked to. about the impeachment. That was. hell. My whole impeachment, when it. was done in three days, no due. process.

I didn't get any information. I wasn't allowed to participate or. respond all behind closed. doors. And then they leak stuff to. the media. That's not even true. And I've got a gag order on me. I can't talk. It's so. Dishonorable. How do you survive that? It's really hard. How do you live with yourself? Like, how do you live with yourself. if you operate that. They convince themselves. I don't like someone. I'm always. delighted to call him on the phone. and say, I don't like you, and. here's why. They convince themselves that like, I deserve it because I'm a bad. person, because all of this stuff is. true. But none of it was proof. You know why? Because it wasn't. true.

But what? But why do it behind. the scenes? Why? Because I can tell you why. they. So I had friends that were. called in the speaker's office, Republican House members, and they were saying, look, we need. you to vote for this impeachment. They said, what can you just show. us, like some evidence? Well, you have this, you know, three. day hearing, three hour hearing. Well, there's no evidence there. Can we see as well? No, you're not. Get any more. Well, can we like. have a little more time to, like, kind of figure this out? We only had like three days. We're going to vote on this in. three. It know that we're not giving. them water. What about like, can we. talk to the witnesses? We don't even know who they are. No. No more sworn in.

We don't even know who the witnesses. against him are. And they said, no, we're not going. to let you do that. And they said, well, why is it that. we can't see the evidence? Why is it that we can't see the. witnesses? Why is it that it has to. be in three days over Memorial. Weekend? And they said because if we give Ken. more than three days, he'll win. That's what they told them. That is, you know, if you find. yourself living your life like that, you have to make a change because. that's really. deceptive. That was the Republican supposedly. the Republican House controlled by. the Democrats.

They're all like that. I got called in one time by. executives of. a company and they they're trying to. tell me that Roger Ailes. was a rapist who, you know, I knew. well and really loved, you know, as. flawed guy like we all are. But I didn't feel like a rapist to. me. Pretty sure he wasn't a rapist. And I remember saying. like, okay, who did he rape? Well, you know, so we know. this. We just know this. You know, we had Robson Grade do. this investigation. He raped people and well, okay, who.

were they? Because I know every guy. I work there. I know everybody. Guy. You can't just. trust me. If you saw what we. saw you. And I was like, okay, but can you. just tell me, like, what were the. circumstances of the rape? This is like an elderly man who's. got hemophilia. Don't think he's. raping anybody or girl. And they're very annoyed that I. asked the basic questions. And look, I don't know so many. things I don't know. But I did come. out of that meeting thinking he. didn't rape anybody. You know what I mean? Absolutely. I feel all the time. where the people get accused of. things, then they get overwhelmed by. media and then. They get overwhelmed. And people.

always say the same thing. We know. this. We know that Look, I've talked. to people. We know this like, look, let's just start there. We know that. Karl. Rove did that to me. He went to. people. So we know this, we know. this, we know this. And they're. like, what? Where's the proof? I've got it somewhere. It it's what he does. But I do think you just all. you need is self respect. Like, I'm not going to be lied to if. I can help it. I'm lied to all the. time and I don't know it, but. But I'm not going to allow myself. to be lied to if I can help it. Well, look. But people are just like they're. willing to be lied to. It's the vaccine, safe and. effective. Okay.

Then it turns out it's not safe and. effective and then they don't have. enough self respect to demand an. accounting of those lies. Like you told me, it turned out not. to be true. Why did you do that? No one ever does that or that Karl. Rove shows up. It is like we know. Ken Paxton isn't a criminal. I can. Where is everyone? Self respect. Like I'm an adult, man. You can't lie to me. Okay. It just seems like our kind of. baseline. It is a baseline. And that's why when I was in the. middle of that impeachment and I had. no voice, I could not respond. I'm getting beaten up every day.

Tell my lawyers. I know. I know you think I'm gonna. resign, but I'm told no one. I'm gonna resign. I'm only allowed. to talk to the media. So how could I even tell? Because we're printing stories. I'm going to resign. I said I want you to know I don't. care how bad it gets. I don't care what they say. These senators are going to I. want to make them vote. They're going to. I got elected for. eight months. Go by the people. Let them vote me out. If they do, they will be accountable. to voters. But I will not give in. no matter what. I watched it up close. And you won.

It was. It was amazing. It was. And it was it was hard. So how many times did you win at the. Supreme Court with the. Biden administration? How many times? Yeah. Gosh, I mean, we had 106 cases. We won over 75%. of our cases for several months that. we either continue to keep fighting. Yeah. 106 a lot. We went there. Like you said, about six times. So I'm kind of thinking, since this. is politics, that that may have had. a role in your impeachment. I have no doubt. You know, I know they were there. I'm convinced the Biden.

administration went to the House, Texas House with the Democrats, said. we want impeach. And then Biden sent two lawyers. from the Department of Justice to. help the general investigating B, which is five member committee, three Republicans, two Democrats. They had four lawyers. Two of them came from the Justice. Department, just randomly showed up. health. Was the Biden administration. involved? I don't have proof, but I'm not. unproven. I'm not stupid. That's unbelievable. So is there any do you expect that. Karl Rove will be involved in this.

primary? Absolutely. He will do whatever he. can to stop it. He does whatever he can to stop. conservatives in Texas in general. He most of his. Followers in Texas now. Yeah. His fund raiser, everything. He's out to help Republicans. He goes into primaries to get. Republicans to take out. conservatives. Now, he is not there. raising money to go after Democrats. He's there to go after Republicans. What do you think he's doing? I mean, it's amazing the number of. Republicans who are Republicans. who are mobilizing against. Trump's nominees, particularly. Bobby Kennedy and Tulsi. Gabbard.

He must be have I don't know this, but do you think Karl has a hand in. any of that? I would. Not surprise me at. All. And surprise me. No, not at all. And the reason they want to go after. those two is because they're they're. effective. They're courageous, of course. And they're going to change America. if they're given the. Apparatus Exactly right in there. You know, so sad to see. some Republicans who I know. well mobilizing against Bobby. Kennedy and they're saying we're. doing because he's pro-choice. And while I'm vehemently, passionately pro-life, I have always.

been and will always be. But these are all people who. are themselves pro-choice, know, who supported plenty of pro-choice. nominees. And it's not about that. It's about the fear that Bobby. Kennedy means it, that he's sincere. And that he'll get something done. And by getting done, it's like. fighting the corruption that. controls Washington. The thing that's most missing in. political leadership is not. knowledge of what to do or how to do. it. It's courage. And the thing that Bobby Kennedy. has, he he will take. on the Democrats.

His own family. And the food. The big food. Right. Exactly. And they know that. And that's what they're afraid of. So they have to stop them? Yeah. It's the testosterone level. that scares them. That's totally is. absolutely right. Unafraid. He's unafraid. So in September, we went across the. country, coast to coast, 17. different cities on a nationwide. live tour. And it was amazing. We brought the entire staff with us. like we always do, because we all. worked together for so long and. enjoy traveling together. And one of our producers is a.

documentary filmmaker. And so he decided to make a. documentary film about our trip. a full month across America. with some most interesting people. around, different people joining us. every single night on Gino. and Russell Brand and Bobby Kennedy. and J.D. Vance and Donald Trump. ET cetera, etc.. With the best Time And the Fruit. of That is a documentary called On. the Road, the Tucker Carlson Live. tour, which is available right. now on TCM. on the road. Tucker Carlson live. tour. It is hilarious. You'll like it.

It's interesting, I. Do you think it's fair to keep a. list? I mean, I'm probably too. fixated on this just because I lived. in Republican world in Washington. for so long. But I think it's fair. to keep a list of like the. Republicans who were working. against reform, who working against. Trump's best decisions, which are reform minded decisions. like nominating Bobby and Tulsi. Like you should keep a list of that. Absolutely. And it should be open. We should be transparent. We should tell the world like who's.

working against us because they've. done all this and they try to do. this in secret and then they go back. and tell their constituents, Well, yeah, I did my best. No, they did not do their best. They were behind the scenes. This is John Cornyn career. This is what these people do. Transparency, just like. my pitch at the transparency of a. trial actually helped me because. the truth comes out. Transparency is what we need in. government, and we don't get it with. people like. Know that people your time. That's I think that's really deep. and true. The thing they hate most is. exposure.

So I've always thought that's why. they hated Trump. They were worried. he was going to declassify stuff or. say secrets out loud that, you know, that implicate the. people running things. They hate him for that and they hate. him because he also is courageous. and he doesn't. His agenda is the American people. Yeah, no, I think that's. interesting. So do you think you may. run against Cornyn? I'm strongly considering it. I haven't made a decision. I have the spring to kind of work it. out. And, you know, I'm still doing. my job. I had a lot to do under. Biden before. Yeah, it's a lot easier. with Trump because we're working.

cooperatively instead of having to. be adversarial on everything. So, you know, I'll be looking at. this spring and seeing what people. say. I'm going to travel the state. and get a good feel for it. But my sense already is that John. Cornyn is not loved in my state. by Republicans. He may be loved by the Democrats, but he is not loved by the. Republicans. How long do you think Texas has. before it. becomes a democratic state? It's totally up to us if we can. preserve it. We can. Just like with this thing. I told you what, America? If we do the right things and.

we take care of the the people in. our state and we give them. opportunity, we give them a good. education, which the state is. responsible for. If we provide opportunities. for their children, if we provide. just freedom to go, be the best you can be and not get. their way with regulations and taxes. we give them, we will be. a Republican state. Because what it. doesn't matter what your skin color. is, if you get a chance to be. successful, you're going to vote for. the people that gave it to you. I think that's right. I think that's right. And I and I'm embarrassed to say.

that I kind of bought I guess. intuitively, I don't really think. about it. But the idea that. demographics is destiny. And I do think that's there's a lot. of truth in that. However, you know, Texas went from a majority. white state to a really a. majority Hispanic state. And but that doesn't mean that it. has to be like a dystopian left wing. state. And all the Phenix are conservative. socially. They are hardworking. They are family people. And they want to be and they want to. be successful, too.

Well, but it's interesting so that I. first heard that line from Karl. Rove, actually. How surprising. Door neighbor. And he would always say, you. know, Hispanics are natural. conservatives. And I would say, well, I'm from California. And that became a majority Hispanic. state. And it just it just went. right off the cliff and became, you. know, really, really dark, socialist dystopian place. And he and I would say, so what do. you make of that? What I didn't realize was. it was actually the liberal whites.

who are the problem. I mean, that states run by Gavin. Newsom. He's not from Oaxaca. You know what I mean? He's back in. county and and a lot of the. decisions are made by people like. that. And actually, Hispanics. are conservative. I mean, that's real. Look at El Salvador. And so. what what's happened, though, is. that the party is controlled. by neo liberals like Gavin. Newsom, like Karl Rove, and they use the power of the.

Hispanic vote to affect. outcomes that I think a lot. of Hispanic voters reject. Right. Yeah. And look, Trump is winning. counties in Texas that have never. been one before. And we are where we are having. more and more Democrat. Hispanic politicians moved to our. party and their positions are not. changing. They're just real. I agree that the Democratic Party. allowing all this illegal. immigration and hurting their areas. and all the those types of things, they don't want that. They they're leaving the machine. I guess the only thing I would say,

just as an outside observer is. if the drug cartels are allowed. to control the machinery of. democracy in Texas like it. could become Mexico. That's why the hold the thing that. I was telling you about is so important. I remember when I was coming into. the attorney general's office, Abbott to serve as long serving AG. in Texas for 12 years, becoming. governor. I'm now about to. tie that. But it was. he was the one that told me. The most. Powerful elected officials. in the country are the Texas. district attorneys because they can.

do whatever they want. They can allow any crime they want. They can let their friends commit. crimes. And there's nothing that can. be done to them. They are free to do. what they want. So we had problems like this. in the 50s and 60s. after Brown versus Board, where, you know, certain states just didn't. want to comply with federal law. There was and, you know, Eisenhower sent 201st. Airborne to Iraq and said, I'm. sorry, you can't violate federal. law. You can't you're not your own. country, actually. And and you wonder, like, how.

serious could the Trump DOJ be. in reining in this crap? No, you're not allowed to have chaos. in your state. There's an American. state. No. I agree with that. And I think you're already seeing it. on the border. He's already sent. federal troops down there. And I think as long as it's. following federal law, I know that. Trump is going to be aggressive at. protecting this country. I hope so, and I. believe it. So here's a question I've been. obsessed with recently. I don't know the answer, but you're. an attorney general. How are states allowed to have. sanctuary cities in open violation.

of federal law? And that's not. insurrection. Because we've allowed it. That the to me that that should I. mean, like in our state, we banned. them. You cannot have a sanctuary. city and we can remove people. from office that that. that put that in place. Can states just say we're going to. ignore federal law? I think we had a civil war over. that, didn't we? No. As long as the federal law is. constitutional and it is not. infringing upon states rights. Right. Not every federal law is. correct. Right. But the ones that. are that that. are correct, then, yes, they there. has to be follow where we are.

You know, these are the borders of. the nation. Yes. Right. So what states do with. immigration affects the other 49, any individual. State, Because it's exactly right. Because it does seem like there. was a standard in place. under Biden where illegal aliens. who are by their presence committing. a crime. We're held to a lower standard. than American citizens. We had to sue the Biden. administration. We sue them. specifically over letting criminals. into this country, known criminals. And they fought us on it. They fought us on a very.

yes, we are in litigation over. whether the Biden administration can. purposely bring criminals. And, of course, all these countries. were emptying their prisons to get. rid of their bad people from all. over the world. And Biden say, come on in. It's that's what I say. Evil. Like, I don't believe they. were trying to do good for America. You cannot do that. and tell me you are trying to. help America. So how. hopeful are you that we can deport. millions of people. Like I've seen Donald Trump do.

things that I never thought could be. done. He said he's going to do it. I think it's you're not going to get. everyone. But I think Tom Homan, I. love that guy. I think there's going. to be a real serious effort to get. as many out as possible. And that's really all you could do. But I think it's I think it will be. a success in the end because they. are going to one, stop the you got. to stop the bleeding. Right. We've been bleeding. profusely. And then second, start moving it. Don't accept the fact that these. people came in here illegally. and just let them stay.

There will be a lot of forces. arrayed to stop that. Obviously. The I already know the Democratic. eggs. I mean, I know the game. plan and I was the game plan. The game plan is to sue Trump and. stop him at every turn legally. Go to liberal judge, try to get an. injunction and then, you know, slow just slow it down. So I know I think California AG. already they've already allocated 25. million to this fight. So I to stop Trump from deporting.

criminals. And to and to stop his agenda in. every possible way. So the Democratic attorney jails are. going to be suing and trying to stop. all of this. The good thing is, you know, I've. got one of my gutsy was my offensive. coordinator to sue the vitamin. He's he's if he gets confirmed, he'll be in a strategic position. and he knows exactly the game plan. and how to deal with it. If you go and beat Cornyn. in the Senate, which I certainly. hope you will. Is there someone coming up behind. you who can get elected, who. will be as aggressive and focused.

on the needs of Texans? So one of the reasons I didn't want. to leave last time on is I don't. want to be forced out. Like I don't. want them. I don't want to step away. under their terms because I just. thought it was wrong that So the. second was I didn't. I mean, I ran against three people. that I just thought would be horrible. for that job. They didn't know what they were doing. There are certainly people that will. run that. I mean, there are there are lawyers. who've never passed a law that want. that job because they're in politics. That's not the right way. I want somebody knows how to. practice law and understands the. law. And yes, there are a couple. people that I know that could run.

and I think might run. Otherwise, I'd have a hard time. walking away from it because I don't. want to give. This is such a crucial. position, really, for the entire. country. The Texas attorney general. has the largest Republican office. with the most resources and has. the most ability to go fight. We have we can attract talent. And so we have a lot. of ability to take DOJ straight up. That's why we've run it one over. three fourths of our cases because. we can fight them toe to toe. I just think it's you see this weird. dynamic in Texas where.

I mean, there's so many great people. in Texas, but all the money, not. all the money, but a lot of the. money in, you know, Highland Park and River. Oaks, you know, your rich zip codes, pretty liberal. What is that? And by the way, I know a lot of. those people and I really like them. I'm not attacking anybody personally. because I know that, you know, I. know a lot of them. But, boy, they they seem to be funding. people who will not. continue Texas as currently.

organized. That's exactly right. So a lot of that it's very. strange that this group, Texas for. lawsuit Reform used to take a lot, that they would funnel. their money through them so it. wasn't them directly. And that's the group that spent, you. know, 10 million recruiting the. Supreme Court justice who was a DEA. person. As it turns out, that's how. we we we expose that she. blew up. That's who they supported. I don't totally understand it, but. It's they don't like you, too. They're like, no, Paxton. So embarrassing. I know. It's because if you ask them to run.

on a piece of paper, like, what are. your political priorities? They would they would be not so. different from yours. It's that whole they don't like it. when you actually try to implement. what you say you believe. Here's part of what I think happen. I think that I when I read Sam. Bryce, he was one of us better. Of course. I knew Dan Brandt. He was not. His deal was always this. I spent ten years with them. I would say, Hey, we need to do. this. This is the right thing to do. You guess. What are the optics here? I'm like, Who cares what the optics. are? This is the right thing to do. It was always the optics. How does it work? And his voting record you can look.

at is not consistently. what most voters, most. Republican voters would want, but it. was for Highland Park. I don't know what. Is an affluent part of Dallas. Yes. And same with you were talking. about River Oaks and Houston, those that Bush world that. supported. Bush and I have family. in both those places. And I think they're wonderful. They're not. No. Then I like all the people. And as I said, I like Dan Branch. I mean, I think I'm probably. susceptible to charm in a way. I shouldn't be because like, I like. all those are all good guys. But like the in the end.

it's considered somehow gauche. or bad to actually. try and do what you say you're going. to do. That's why they don't like. I've just I know offensive doesn't. hurt your feelings, but I've been at. dinner and people like, Ken Paxton, you know, Ken Banks. It's like, Why? Because he's doing what you say. You believe the same thing. How the hell? It's the same thing. with Trump people. I mean, I don't know. You're right. It is. I was at his. announcement. Malo You know, he. elected officials were there to. support. Him that first. There are lots of regular people for. me and everyone else at the very.

first. And only everybody then. was like thinking it might be. somebody else and no one wanted to. go to work. Sure. And he got he got. these indictments. And it's the same. thing with Trump. If you actually go. out and do the hard things, then. you're controversial and then they. attack you for being the media, too. They don't like it. And then then. people go, well, you know, we need. to see. And I'm like, okay, you're. you know, you don't want Trump. because he's controversial. That means you don't want him to. actually get something done. The people that aren't controversial. or the people don't get anything. done. The media doesn't attack them. And so then all these people are. like, I just don't like his tweets,

you know, blah, blah, blah. And I'm. like, What? I care about what he gets done. I think it may be that. rich people are. Are so insulated from the effects of. everything that they don't really. feel like these arguments are. existential, that they really, really matter. Whereas, you know, if you make 120. grand a year and you live in Houston. and you see the city, you can't use. the hospitals and crime's. out of control and like everything. is changing too fast to metabolize. and you can't really make 120 grand. a year. You can't really do anything. about it. You're powerless. And that's, by the way, twice what. the average person makes.

Yes. You're like, you realize this is not. a joke. They're racking my city for real. Can't be fixed. I think you've hit it because those. people, even those people are affected. by inflation, right? Everything is more expensive. Gas is. Only right. For the average American. and even above average American. feels all of those negative facts. every day. If you're a billionaire, that. is it. It is. It's I know you don't care what it. costs to fill up your gas tank. You don't even think about it. You could have. Just weird in Texas. So if you go to California, if you.

go to Marin or downtown San. Francisco or, you know, the town. that I grew up in, affluent town, you know, everyone's kind of openly. liberal, you know what I mean? Like, they're smoking weed with. their kids and their whatever, their. liberal. You go to Texas and you meet the. Affluent class in Texas. And, boy, they're just great people. They're just great people who share. your values. And and I think they really do. By the way, at least the ones I know. they sincerely do. But they don't feel that sense. of of eminence,

of like, holy shit, we got it. This is like a crisis. They do not feel that well. Those are the people that elect me. If you look at my campaign finance. reports, I usually have a massive. number of people giving but a lot. lower level than some of the other. statewide officials. Yeah, the. numbers are just staggering. I raise less money, but. my contributions from the number. of people I get, I think less more. Maybe I'm off on this move as one. for 8000 contributors in six, six, six months. Well, I don't think anybody comes. close to that. But it's a it's.

it's not the million dollar tax. I don't get million dollar checks. I have a much lower contribution. But I love it because I. like the fact that the people. as a group are helping me. Yes. That's who I'm beholden to. Those people. I think that's right. And there's a. by the way, I just want to be clear, especially in Texas, like the rich. people I know in Texas are good. people with nice love their. families. Their children turn out. well, like they're good people. For real. I love them, actually. But I.

And they would agree with everything. you say. But in practice, it freaks. them out. And you see this with. Bobby Kennedy, too, Like anyone. who's kind of tuned in, realize, yeah, Bobby Kennedy is like a turbo. liberal. He's a Kennedy. Yeah. You know, he said all this. crazy gun grab pro-abortion. nonsense, but then you watch him and. you're like, no, that guy is on the. same wavelength as me. And he might actually get stuff. done. It's only it's it honestly, it's the rich Republicans who he. freaks out. He scares them. I see. For the same reason you scare them.

because you mean it. And then I'm like, this. is embarrassing, and maybe I can't. fully control it. I'm not sure I'm for this. The problem is they all talk to each. other and they all get their ideas. from each other. It's it's just almost too inbred. They don't get they don't get down. to talk to the people that that you. and I are talking about. They don't know him. They don't know around him. They don't live with them. So they don't feel it. It's part of what your original. point was. They just don't know. these people, if they knew those. people. I think, like you said, they're not. bad people. I don't think that they. can connect with people that. are not billionaires.

instead of just with each other. I think it's totally right. It would help. Them. I think it's totally right. I grew up in a rich Christian world. The greatest gift I ever got was, you know, spending time in. a non rich area. for a portion of every year. And it really changed my worldview, like so dramatically just having. contact with people who aren't, you know, in that world, like just. getting out of it a little bit. It's called perspective. I don't have a ton of perspective, but I have like a little bit of. perspective, right? You know, it's not like that's super.

helpful. It's super help. It is. It's super helpful. And wow, that's so. interesting. Can you win if you. don't have the support. of the big money in Texas? Well, all I can tell you is I've. been I've been statewide for 12. years and I've won. my closest primary runoffs. when there weren't, you know, four. people in a race was 65, 35. The last one was better, 6832. So I just go to the people. and I usually get outspent. as long as I can be within like 2 to. 1 spending.

I have a really good chance of. winning a primary, and I think. anybody that whole is consistent on. views that are that take care. of their constituents. That's the key to winning is take. care of your people, care about. them. Yeah. Well, I've always thought. that. But then I go up and down the. ballot in state after state, you see. people elected who are basically. promising to destroy their own. constituents. And all the the black leaders in. Chicago who are like, you know, lecturing about black political. power and how important it is. And then they make this the city hit. Hispanic. Now they have no political power.

It's like, what? I mean, whatever you think of. identity politics, I'm opposed to. it. I don't think you should be running. on your race anyway. But it's just a fact that they did. exactly the opposite of what they. promised their constituents. And really, now nobody cares. what those people think. It's the same problem. The people like that were taking. care of themselves. They were not actually looking out. for the people they said they were. looking out for. And then they they. leave them in a terrible situation. They're not better off. What Donald. Trump supposedly doesn't like those. people when he's finished. All categories of people, black, white, Hispanic are better.

off. No one. That seems like a good thing right. now, but yet he's a bad guy. It's amazing. So here's a complicated issue. that I think I know that you've. addressed it in court. Data privacy. The idea that you ought to be. allowed to have, like, conversations. that other people listening to them, the idea that people should be able. to steal information about you and. profit from it. Where are we on that? So, you know, my first. term was about stopping Obama.

Yeah. And so I think. in two, two years that he was. arrested him 27 times. Now, I stepped it up a little bit. with Biden, but we had four years. with Trump. And the reason I ran the. second term was to deal with this. Exactly that issue I saw. I saw big tech and I saw big. corporations and. people felt. Carlos, because all their. information is being taken. They have no control over it. They're being censored. And I like how I saw this. I went out to Palo Alto. I spent like a year of my life going. out there talking to professors, talking to lawyers who were tech. experts. And we end up putting together many.

lawsuits against Google. So we're going to Facebook. We just. had like we sued Facebook because. there's a Texas law that says you. cannot steal somebody's face, take. somebody's face or their voice. without their permission. And then once you've taken it, you. have a certain amount of time, a. reasonable time to keep it. Then you have to destroy it. And you. can't sell it without their permission. Well, guess what matter? No matter what they were doing it. They just did it anyway. Do they care? So we sued them and we. got the largest settlement between a. state and a business ever. $1.4 billion. We have sued Google, I think five.

times. We've won two of those case. We got two settlements, but the. three biggest are coming. One of them is is about. the same thing that did. They stole our faces. Another was about Incognito, where. they told people, by the way, you go. into this incognito, you sign up for. this, we will not track you like. they tracked us. Anyway. That's that's a deceptive trade. practice in Texas where they tell. you one thing and do another. They lied and they're so big, they make so much money, they just. think they can win everything. Well, the final one was. this is one that everyone thought. was crazy, but we did it. And then DOJ filed a copycat.

case under Biden, actually where. they were. Google controls 97% of the ad. market and they destroy the. competition. If you're competing and. we believe they cut a deal with. Facebook to keep them out of it, pay. them off and they destroy. you. If you're small enough, they. buy you. If you're big enough and. they cut a deal, if you're super big. and all of that's illegal under. antitrust law. So we're in April. We are going to trial in Texas. They delayed me for two years by. forced me into what's called. multidistrict litigation. And I got put in New York, but. we got a piece of legislation stuck.

on a bill that got us back out of. that. So we're back in Texas. So we are going to take on the big. tech companies. We're taking on. General Motors because General. Motors would sell you a car and they. wouldn't tell you that their OnStar. system when you signed up for it, was tracking all of your driving. And then they're selling that to. insurance companies and then you. cancel and your insurance goes up. because they're tracking every, you. know, every turn of your car, what. time you drive and how much they. don't tell you. That's that's a. deceptive trade practice. So and of course, we sued Pfizer. and for for lying to us about the. vaccine. Is a little weird after all of that.

to see Larry Ellison stand up and be. like everyone's getting an MRI and a. vaccine for cancer. What? I mean, it's crazy. I don't even know. I'm trying to digest all that. Maybe just living in lionized, you. know? Yeah, exactly. But. Do you have a hope? It does seem. Look, I'm not against. let's all I am against technology, but I don't think I should be. against technology. I should be a. little more open minded. But, you. know, there's a there's a place for. technological progress.

Of course there is. But it does seem like it's. unrestrained. It does. You know, I believe in force, counterforce. I believe in balance. I believe in marriage, which is. that, you know what I mean? Two forces having to accommodate one. another. And in that you find. a peace. I don't see that dynamic with tech. right now. It's just it just seems. unrestrained. The charge of the elephants like. nothing can get in the way. So that is where is I saw I saw. that if we didn't step in soon. and I didn't see it when. DOJ wasn't doing it, I didn't see.

other states do. So it was that's. why we're in the second time. My. mission was if we don't stop this. now, they make so much. money. That is, by the way, out of everything. So they get sued. by the European Union. They just pay 2 billion jack of. their prize. When you're making $130. billion a year, that's just a minor. little tax rate for Google. So that is why I didn't. just I'm not just doing this for. money. I'm asking for a. restructuring of Google. I don't want them to be able to do. this to us anymore. They need to divest things so that. there is competition in the. marketplace. I'm not I am totally.

free market. But one company that controls 97%. of the market and then destroys. competition that is not good. for consumers. And that's why we have antitrust. laws. So if we don't stop. them now, they'll control all ours. We still have antitrust laws. We do. A You'd never know it. Well, we've we've brought them back. And by the way, DOJ copied our. Google case. Exactly. Biden did. Is there any hope? There is hope. And I think I think. the fact that you see, after. we settle with Mark Zuckerberg,

he's shown up at Trump. So he was he spent, what, foreign. millions trying to beat Trump last. time. Yeah. You're seeing this year. come in that they're trying to keep. their profit motive going. And it's hard to get anything done. in Congress because they give so. much money. But I think the state AGs. and hopefully DOJ with pay. in Mali are key to. making sure that they play. fair. Look, comic billions. I don't care. I want you to go make. a lot of billions. I want American. companies do well all over the. world. But play fair.

and allow consumers choices. don't destroy choice. Yeah. And just acknowledge that. what you do has an effect on a lot. of other people. And, you know, it's okay for. other people to weigh in and have an. opinion. It's you get to say, I. mean, I know all of these people. You get the sense they're so annoyed. if there's any impediment to what. they want. Like, so annoyingly, they. came believe it. Like what? You're getting in the way of progress. It's like, well, first of all, I'm. not totally convinced this is. progress. Like, that's a subjective term.

We can debate what that is. But second, like, I don't know, there are all kinds of things I want. to do, but I have to negotiate with. the people who are affected by those. things to reach some accommodation. That's just what life is. But the idea and you see this with. some countries too, like, you know, our neighbors don't like a tough. shit. It's like. I don't know. That's not what life. is like. Everything is. Give and take is a give. And take. Compromise. Well, so where. Do we get these attitudes? Like I just get to do exactly what I. want. It's going to totally overturn. your life if you don't like it. Like, shut. Up. These are super companies,

right? Companies are bigger than. most countries and they have more. money. And I think that arrogance. that we talked about and politics, gosh, it happens in business. And so not only do they want to. control every market and control. every transaction on the. Internet, but they also want to tell. you what to say and what you can. what you can say on their on their. platforms. And then they tell you they're not. censoring, but they are. And so even with the Pfizer case, where we we went in sued and we sued. them not just for lying. about the effectiveness of the. vaccine, which they did do. So nobody noticed. But secondly, for trying.

to censor people once they found out. that their vaccine didn't work. I want to do that with this podcast. So what I want is Congress. to pass a law preventing anyone from. showing me, no matter what I do. And then anyone who criticizes me is. pulled off the Internet and called a. racist. That's a pretty good deal, don't you. think? Absolutely. And then if you happen to, like, not. participate in their little scheme. with the vaccine, then you lose your. job and your. Socialite podcaster, you're fired, right? Yeah, it that does seem like an. unfair business advantage.

It's pretty unfair. And I actually it's crazy because. then there's no incentive for them. to test it. They didn't test the. vaccine. They don't have to. Why would they? They they test it. for like six days and they're fully. indemnified. There's nothing you can do them. So we got actually the supervisor. over the vaccine. We got dismissed. by a federal judge who said we. didn't have because of that federal. law. Our state laws don't apply. I don't think that's right. So we've. appealed to the Fifth Circuit. saying, wait a minute, they have. their federal laws, but our state. law, if you deceive someone, you lie. to them. That is a violation of. state law.

Who cares what the federal immunity. thing is? Has nothing to do with our. state laws. And that's our argument. Man. You guys, you know, there's so. there's so many arms available on. the black market. I think Texas. should buy some just to get. more influence. You know what I mean? That's not my department. I always tell people they want me to. go. Why don't you do something? Don't you do something more? I said, Well, I am. But they didn't give me any guns. They just gave me like lawyers. All I have is lawyers. They like the drug cartels. I am on the dark web. Hilarious. Ken Paxton, thank you so. much for taking all this time. I enjoyed it. Thanks for having me.

And I hope you crushed that, John. Cornyn. I really do. I do. So I'm rooting for you. Well, thank you. No one else agrees, but I'm in Highland Park. But I'm on your side. Thank you. Appreciate it.