James Fishback on DeSantis’s Attack on Free Speech, Randy Fine’s Bloodlust, & America Last Globalism

So, you're running for governor of Florida. Why  are you doing that? I'm doing it because I love. my state. I'm a fourth generation Flityian. And  I got to tell you, Tucker, it's really hard to be. an American in America these days. It's really  hard for Flidians who quite literally put this. state on the map. They're now being forced out of  the state because they can't afford to live here. anymore. All while illegal immigrants still  get the free stuff from the Biden years. all. while H-1Bs still come into our state and take  jobs that belong to Americans here in Florida.

And then I think the last straw was this idea of  Washington DC negotiating a trade deal with China. and then 600,000 foreign students are going to  come to our universities, maybe a third of them. to Florida colleges where they're taxpayer funded  universities are going to have to give up their. seats from Florida kids from Charlotte County or  Lee County to kids from Shanghai and Beijing. It. didn't make any sense. And so I'm running cuz I'm  the only That's literally true. Literally, that's. part of the current framework, this bilateral  framework between the US and China right now.

is the DC is now as a concession to the Chinese in  this tariff war that we're going to have to accept. 600,000 Chinese foreign students at our schools.  And you think you're getting 200,000 in Florida? We could get 200,000 here in Florida and they  would go to state. That's crazy. So University. of Florida, Florida State, UCF, USF. Now, I  think it's easy to get lost in all those numbers, but just take one kid from a small fishing village  in Florida and say, "Hold on. Your ability to go.

to a horiculture program at the University of  Florida has now been put on pause. Your entire. life has been shelved because we need to have a  grand negotiating strategy with China and tariffs. and the AI arms race. It's destroying lives here  in Florida." It's just the latest analogy of we're. losing sight of what the America First movement  is. So, well, that's for sure. So that means. I mean I guess this is all obvious but I haven't  talked it through or really thought it through. So. that would mean that there's no preference given  to the American born whose family's been paying.

taxes to support the school. And I should say in  Florida the best schools in Florida are public. universities. That's right. It's the largest and  the best. Right. So University of Florida number. one. I I think I don't want to get in trouble but  I mean just like yes hardest to get into. So it's. not like they're all going to go to some boutique  liberal arts college and pay 100 grand a year to. Mbury or something. They're going to be taking  spots at the public universities that are there to. serve the children of taxpayers of Florida. That's  exactly right. Who will not receive preference. over them. Correct. In fact, will be inferior  to them in a sense because when you have this.

DC mandate coming down that says, "Hey, because  of our grand strategy with China, because the. US China, the Sino US relationship is on the line,  wink wink, nod nod, in order to maintain dant with. Beijing and Xi Jinping, we need this kid to get  in." And it's not going to ever be a direct order, but it's going to be implied in the zeitgeist that  you know those pesky Americans, you know, the ones. that paid to build this university. Yes, they  deserve and forget this idea of fairness and who.

deserves what. Just objectively speaking, Florida  kids who grew up here, know the state best, when they graduate, they'll stay in this state.  They'll build businesses here. They'll hunt here. They'll raise families here. And when you deny  them that ability to do all of that, then what's. the point? That is a very uh distressing thing.  Um and that's happening. It's happening. What has. been the posture of state government? Like what's  the governor's office say about that? There's been. nothing so far. I think Governor Santis has been  a great governor, especially during CO, after CO,

standing up to a indoctrination in our schools,  which maybe is the only silver lining from CO is. all the parents actually knew what was going  on in the classroom. the white guilt lessons, you know, to the white kids. We don't want the  teachers telling the white kids to apologize. And we don't want the teachers also telling the  black kids that there's something somehow wrong. with them and they're systemically oppressed and  they can never make it. You know, my posture on. all of this is I think as conservatives, we have  to stop playing defense, stop wagging the finger. at things we don't like and start actually  having concrete falsifiable solutions. So,

so this issue of China, here's my solution. Very  simple. On day one, my first executive order as. governor next January is to raise tuition on  all foreign students to $1 million a year. So, Tucker, when they can't pay, they're out  and our kids are back in their destinies, their lives restored at our great colleges. And  the legislature can you can do that by executive. order. Your executive order. Oo, that's clever.  Um, yeah, because foreign students pay full.

freight typically, right? And unless you're  an illegal alien in which it's subsidized, but but rich foreigners send their kids to school  in America and displace Americans. Correct. Well, I should say they pay full freight relative in  that moment to what the tuition is relative to. the instate student. But think about the instate  student 18 years old, probably worked a job in. Florida, right? Lived their whole life. Their  parents lived their whole life there possibly. So all of those taxes that they paid over their 18  years, their parents' 45 years, collectively built.

that university, funded dormitories, janitors,  professors, the the chief DEI officer, right? All. of that was funded. And so it is full freight in  an instantaneous sense, but if you take a holistic. view, the kid who just got here from Shenzhen,  who doesn't know what a Florida orange juice, right? None of that can't possibly both in an  economic sense but I think I mean not to sound. gay but in a spiritual sense you know like in a  spiritual sense does not represent our state and.

our heritage. It's the opposite of gay actually.  Uh no I agree with you absolutely and completely. and that's by the way how a civilization forms its  culture is through education right and you can't. educate the world. That's not your job. And in  fact it's counterproductive to having a distinct. culture. So that's what inspired you to get in?  I think that was the last straw to tell you the. truth because I met with a lot of college students  in my life before this, which is to say four and a. half weeks ago. I I've been running an investment  firm called Aoria that I actually launched at all.

places at Mara Lago last December 2024. Kevin  Roberts was there, President Trump, Kathy Wood. And the firm was based on this idea that instead  of channeling money into companies that hate. America, why don't we channel money into companies  that unapologetically stand for American values, like meritocracy, like colorblindness? And so  in 2025, I'm proud to say we channeled up to. $40 million of investor capital in companies that  were doing the crazy thing of not hiring on race. and gender and hiring on skill and merit. And  my my company, Azoria, it's actually it's ETF.

got delisted by our board of trustees. They're  supposed to be independent, but it got delisted. because we submitted an amendment to them saying  we wanted to now exclude companies that abuse the. H-1B program. We said, "Look, this abuse, it is  systematic. It is systemic. It's hurting American. workers." And we gave them a five-page research  paper that said it's actually hurting the bottom. line of these companies because they're bringing  in cheap foreign slave labor that doesn't actually. add to the synergy of the company. it leads to  higher attrition, it breaks down productivity,

etc. And their response was, "You're a racist."  And they delisted our fund. And who have this? The board of trustees of the title financial group  in October, just 9 days after saying, "Hey, here's. our formal amendment to to broaden the scope of  our investment fund to not just exclude companies. that are doing the DEI stuff, but actually exclude  companies that are doing something that's far more. insidious, which is you're a white guy. No,  you don't get a job. We want an Indian guy. to do it for half the price, right? And and ethnic  cartels form within companies that hire within the.

ethnicity. It's the opposite of what this country  promises, right? And they and they gaslight us and. say all the white men hiring officers are only  hiring white men. Absolutely not. That's a lie. It's not a single HR manager. This was a white  male country that led in the rest of the world. So clearly we know that's not true. Clearly. Yeah.  And and this it's all based on the slanderous lie. of systemic racism. The only systemic racism in  America is against white Christian men. I'm aware. that's interesting and it's interesting to hear  you say that as a gubernatorial candidate because.

even like six months ago hearing that from a  aspiring politician would have been totally. shocking and it does seem like maybe because of  you and people like you saying it more just like. who could disagree with that? Yeah, I I think for  me I was in a small town called Frost Proof in. southern Pulk County. Your viewers may know Grady  Jud. He's the most famous sheriff here in Florida. I know Grady Jud. Yeah. And so I was down in Frost  Proof and this was a community that was teeming. with life just 15 20 years ago. The peak of our  citrus industry was the 2005 harvest. 230 million.

boxes of citrus. This last season only 14 million.  And this was predominantly a white man's industry. And when I went there and I saw what used to be  a small movie theater, now a Dollar General, what. used to be a family-owned grocery store, now some  weird perverted liquor store, when I see entire. towns across my state, whether it's Frost Proof,  Pokei, Belglade, Canal Point, More Haven, utterly. hollowed out. And the primary victims of what  is effectively this America globalism that has.

prioritized other nations and other corporations  interest over our own people. It really does hit. hard that we have been sold a bag of goods and  the the biggest victims in all of it are actually. predominantly white men to be completely honest.  I mean the the victimhood, not to be a victim, but the victimhood is very farreaching. But if  you want to flip the cast system over, you'd be. hardressed to find someone more oppressed in my  state right now than a rural white Christian man.

who relied on cattle, on citrus, on manufacturing.  My own dad was a tree trimmer for 20 years. The. devastating Haitian earthquake happened in January  of 2010. And then it was this brilliant idea from. a guy named Barack Hussein Obama to let a hundred  Haitians who were here illegally just stay here. and get work authorization. Now, of course, they  can't become SAT tutors. So, what happens? They do. manual labor like tree trimming. Next thing you  know, my dad has lost his business of 20 years. through no fault of his own, but because the open  border legitimized that labor, and now I'm living.

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available at this price until it sells out. Shop  beam.com/tucker. Use the code Tucker. You'll be. thankful you did. I can see why that radicalized  you. It radicalizes me just hearing it. Um, what happened to citrus in Florida? Like the  groves have been torn up. It's It's gone. It's. dead. It's dead. Greening. I can't get a straight  answer on that. Exactly. USDA is part of it. trade deals are part of it. Do you have any idea  what happened? So it's not not to sound vapid,

but it is a multiaceted issue. The proximate  cause was greening that really hit 06 07 and. just knocked citrus out. I think greening the this  quite coincidentally from China of all places, not Wuhan this time, right? But this infestation  that led to the premature falling of fruit of.

citrus fruit, whether it's Donaldson or orange,  tangela, whatever, off these trees. And you can't. sell that fruit if it falls off early. And so  that's obviously the approximate cause. And I. think it's again, it's like most conservatives.  I'm not going to sit here, I mean, and just blame. China for everything. I think the ultimate  systemic cause is Democrats and dare I say. Republicans in Tallahassee just stopped caring.  Yeah. I mean, look, this destroyed an entire. industry. 220 million down to 14 million boxes.  Entire communities decimated. Not just Citrus,

but all the little mom and pop businesses,  the diner, the family-owned grocery store, the little movie theater down. Citrus was Florida.  It was on the license plate. It still is. Well, there's nothing something else on license plate  now. as I think you know it's a foreign flag. Um. I've also said as Florida governor there's going  to be no foreign flags flown on our government. buildings or on our state license. Want to ask  you about that. How did another country's flag. wind up on your license plate? But I'll ask you  in a second. So but but citrus was at the very. center of Florida's economy and its culture for  100 years. Was 100%. And I grew up in in Broward.

County which is obviously a very urban place now.  But where I grew up in Davy in West Broward near. the Everglades, we had citrus groves out there  when I was a kid. And so you could quite literally. go out to like a flamingo gardens and you could  smell you could smell that orange scent on a. crisp day and it is perhaps the sickest analogy  that yes in a proximate sense China caused this. but much like co Tucker it wasn't China it was the  government apathy indifference and an intentional.

sabotage of our country against its own people. So  true. Look, I'm not going to sit here and blame Xi. Jinping. He's doing what he thinks is best for his  country. If that means screwing us over, I guess. that's it. But I can't sit here and say, look,  the Chinese are guilty of the fentanyl crisis. These precursors come from interior of China,  get shipped to Mexico, get pressed into fentanyl. pills, and sent across the southern border. But  really, it is our leaders that have the ultimate. responsibility. They're the last line of defense.  So, I think as Republicans, we need to grow up and.

stop blaming all of our problems and embracing  this leftwing victimhood culture. And so, look, China this, China that. Here's my solution as  Florida governor. Any scientist in the world. who wants to develop, a strand of citrus that is  impervious to greening, we're going to pay you. $1 billion cash. If you can prove, and we'll grow  it and we'll do it for 18 months. If you take the.

best scientist in the world, and they may be in  Iran of all places, it doesn't matter. If there's. a scientist or a group of scientists in the world  who want to step up and actually solve a problem. that has torn aunder entire communities that's  unemployed men and women hollowed out entire towns. across my state, we're going to pay you a billion  dollars because what that industry represented. that would merely be an investment in bringing  back the number one thing that put my state on. the map. No, that is absolutely that is absolutely  right. And they tore up the groves that took, you.

know, years. Takes years for an orange tree to go  from seedling to fruit bearing. And they tore them. up. They tore them out of the ground. They burned  them. Correct. It's really uh a metaphor for so. for so much. So I want to ask about the foreign  flag thing. Um I always admired Dantis certainly. during co I thought he was just a a remarkable  leader. Interviewed him many times. I know him. um and his wife and it was the foreign policy  stuff that made me wonder like what is this and.

how controlled is he by Ken Griffin and the rest  of his donors and then he had this moment where. he signed a hate speech law out of the country he  flew to a foreign country Israel to sign a hate. speech law for Florida and I thought well this is  obviously unconstitutional it's immoral but it's. also part of an elaborate humiliation ritual where  you have to not just like enslave your own people. with a hate speech law, which that is slavery, but  you have to go kiss someone else's wall to show. your obedience. And I was like, I'm out. Like,  how did that happen? Well, it started, like most.

things, terrible things start here in Florida  with Randy Fine. Randy Fine. Quite literally. The genocide guy. Yeah, the genocide guy. The star  of Away Gaza kids guy. I can't even believe he's. real. So, what how what did he have to do with He  introduced this law which effectively criminalized. anti-semitism in Florida. No, look, Tucker, I  think you and I and your viewers recognize that. any form of religious hatred should be condemned  unequivocally. Well, of yeah, I have condemned.

it. I've condemned anti-semitism. I've condemned  attacking people for being Muslim with their kids. for evil, too. Right. I was called a jihadi for  that. I'm against all of it. And I'm certainly. opposed to the anti-Christian hate from which is  perhaps the most virulent. That's for sure. So, no, I'm of course I'm a totally I'm a Christian.  I'm opposed to that. But you can't criminalize. attitudes. Every person's free to have his own  attitudes, ugly as they may be. Period. Correct. And the issue is if you look at if you look at  the statutory definition of anti-semitism here in.

Florida, which is 10105 in our state statute, it  actually says that criticizing the Jewish state, that would be Israel, holding them to a double  standard, denying them their place on the world. stage. That's literally in state statute 101. It's  against the law to criticize Israel. Think about. that. So, if you're a college student at FSU  and you're having an earnest goodfaith debate. with someone who sympathizes with the Israeli  cause, you with the Palestinian cause, whatever.

the case is, and one of you says Netanyahu is a  war criminal or Israel is committing genocide, you could literally be punished and expelled from  your taxpayer funded university by that. And that. is that is messed up. It is unconstitutional. It's  unamerican. It's totally unamerican. And of course. the Republicans and Democrats in Tallahassee  got along with it because their donors wanted. them to get along with it. And so Randy Fine is  the one who introduced that introduced it and.

it was his idea to have it signed in Israel. Why  would Dantis who is smart if nothing not a warm. person obviously but he's definitely not stupid.  Why would he go along with something like that? It's a great question. what you know I I hold the  governor to the incredible work that he did during. co education all of that I think that what's quite  telling just recent events is maybe you heard a. foreign leader was here in Florida last week one  Benjamin Netanyahu his fifth visit to the United. States is a total criminal he's a depraved little  man to be completely honest and he was here and.

you know all of Ashley Moody Bernie Mareno all  came down to meet with him the governor didn't. Governor DeSantis didn't, but the lieutenant  governor, Jay Collins, did and so I think it's. easy for us to go back and say, you know, why did  the governor do this, that, or the other several. years ago, but at this moment in time when  the governor had the opportunity to meet with. Netanyahu, it seems like he deliberately chose  not to, which was an absolutely wise decision. But.

Jay Collins did meet with him, which is actually  rather interesting because 40 hours before that. meeting happened, Israeli media said that I am a  quote threat. That I am a bigger threat to Israel. than Donald Trump's. Who? Who is I am? You. Yeah.  How old are you? I'm 31. Well, congratulations for. being an existential threat to a nation state  cuz you're running for governor. This is They. really said that. They said that. And because  I push out a policy that was actually quite.

popular with almost everybody and it is the fact  that Florida lends Israel $385 million as we sit. here today. And so what I said is at day one as  governor, executive order number two would be to. fully divest all foreign bonds of any country and  there's only one country that we invest in abroad. and that's Israel. $385 million. You know what  really got them is I said I would then take the.

385 million and create a statewide down payment  assistance program for young married couples. because we have to protect home ownership so young  folks across our state can buy a place to live, get married, and have kids. Okay. Well, you've got  my vote. That's all I needed to hear. Sorry. Um. Amen. Amen. What's the smart way to protect your  house? Is it wait till a burglar smashes a window. and wanders around the living room terrifying  your kids? Or is it B, preventing bad people from. breaking into your house in the first place? Well,  obviously it's B, but most security companies.

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But what? Okay, so now I'm even more confused. I  mean, I'm in Florida pretty regularly. I was not. aware that the state of Florida is an investor  in Israel pension fund. What? Why? Well, don't. take What does Florida have to do with Israel?  It's so far away. So I actually was a government. bond trader in a different life which is to say 3  or 4 years ago. And so I traded government bonds. and interest rate futures and all of that stuff.  And so what happened was after the tragedy that.

was October 7th and unequivocally was a tragedy.  Of course it the Florida state government state. chief financial officer Jimmy Petronis who's now  in Congress he announced that to stand with Israel. we were going to start buying tens of millions  which became hundreds of millions of dollars. in Israeli bonds. This was a purely political  decision. It wasn't a decision that says hey the. the yield the rate of return on Israeli debt is  actually quite high so we should buy some. No, it.

was to stand in solidarity with a foreign country.  We are going to take taxpayer money money and lend. it in the form of a sovereign government bond  purchase. They weren't even hiding how nakedly. political they were. And just for a moment, I just  want to but what about the the pensioners who rely. on the returns of those bonds to like fund their  retirement or the people of Florida? Don't they. isn't there fiduciary duty of the legislature  to like look out for their interests or is it. only about helping BB? The latter. Truly. I mean,  you're right. And by the way, and I I say this as.

someone who was a fiduciary as an investor. Yes.  Think about it just for a moment. A country is. going to war is currently being confronted by a  soon-to-be nuclear power in Iran, they say. Yeah. Is escalating tensions with all of its neighbors.  Just objectively, forget what country that is. And. now you think it's a good time to compromise your  fiduciary responsibility and buy their government. debt. I mean, like, can you imagine someone  saying like that seems like a good long-term.

bet investment, right? Can you imagine someone  saying like whoever they are and saying like, "We just invaded Iraq in ' 03. We should just  stand with Iraq and buy their bonds." Like, forget who Saddam Hussein was. Like, why would  it be a good idea to buy Iraqi government bonds, right? And by the way, they don't offer a terrible  amount of interest. Actually, Israeli bonds often. yield less than US treasuries. No way. Yeah. So  it's not like they were yielding 20% and they. were actually an objectively good decision for  our pensioners. No, it was a nakedly political.

decision without any riskreward. It was all risk  and no reward to appease the Israeli government. And here's what I understand. So the donors in  Florida, so there are a lot of uh very rich, very active donors in Florida um who support  Israel also. Why don't they send their money? I. don't understand. Like if you're a billionaire,  why are you pressuring some poor low IQ Florida. politician to spend taxpayer money on a foreign  country when you could just send your own money to.

foreign country? I actually think it is sadistic.  I think so too. I think it's actually symbolic. because you're right, a large hedge fund in Miami  or Palm Beach could I mean it would be nothing to. buy $380 million of Israeli bonds. They could have  leverage. I mean it nothing. It would be done in. one day. But it's the symbolism of the solidarity.  And by the way, the Florida state pension. framework prohibits all foreign government bond  purchases with one exception. Israel is serious.

Literally prohibited in their investment framework  that you cannot buy the bonds of any country, Luxembourg, Switzerland, the UK. And those  actually may be good investments, but Israel, for in their own words, to stand in solidarity  with them after October 7th, we decided to send. $385 million. And that's why as Florida governor,  I'm going to devest that full 385 and then start. a statewide with that money, a statewide down  payment assistance program. Because right now,

you got young couples across the state who are  renting. They're staring down the prospect of. the 50-year mortgage. They can't feel like they  have any equity in their future. 50-year mortgage. That's the craziest thing I've ever heard. That's  the solution to the affordability crisis is just. turn everyone into a renter. Yeah, it's usery.  It's just imposing usery on us. Of course, I knew the answer to my own question, but it's  just so grotesque. It's hard to believe that's. real. But I think this is the I think this  is the frustration not with the president,

but with a lot of his adviserss is there are real  concerns about affordability in my state. And. number one is home ownership. Right? If you can't  buy a home, can you get married? If you can't get. married, can you have kids? And if you can't have  kids, then what on earth is the point, Tucker? Exactly. Right. And so, I think the president  instinctively recognizes that we have to solve. this problem. But the solution isn't to go from 30  years of debt slavery to 50 years so you can save. $100 a month. I mean, my my dad and I did the  math, and for the average home here in Florida,

a 50-year mortgage would mean that if you paid  $250,000 to the mortgage serer, you would own. precisely $18,000 of equity in your home. This  is literally what was called out biblically, what we were warned against. That's correct.  And so, we have to be very honest about the. system that they're creating. You know, I was  kind of skeptical. Glothing in 15 and 16 when. the World Economic Forum trotted out this the  year is 2030 and you will own nothing. We are. rapidly racing toward that course today and people  are getting off on it and in actually like in a.

sexual sadistic way. I totally agree that that  we are I think cucked to the point that we have. to bend over. We can't own anything. We can't  have jobs in our country anymore. And if we ask. questions about why we sent $385 million,  if I stand up as a candidate for governor, I am smeared by the effectively the state media of  Israel and called a threat to their country. Well, you are a threat actually because for example, I  didn't know that. I didn't know that the state of.

Florida's pension fund had invested $300 million  in Israeli bonds and they're the only country. that the state's allowed to buy bonds from. And I  mean, I didn't know any of that. So, just saying. that out loud is a massive threat. I think all of  this stuff happens because people don't know it's. happening and they're kind of lulled like cattle  into a trance. Don't you think? That's right.

So uh so the genocide guy is the one who came up  with the hate speech law. Now was he a member of. Congress then? State states representatives.  State Randy fine. Yeah. State House. Um have. you talked to him? Well, he called me the other  day actually. The genocide guy called? Yeah, the genocide guy called. He woke me up at like 7  7 a.m. That's never a good day. The genocide guy. calls and wakes you up. He was breathing rather  heavily. I bet he was. And I think he was in a. car. I heard some Cheezits rumbling around in the  back seat. I know that sound, Tucker. I know the.

difference between a Cheeit and a Pringle as a  former addict. But gosh. So he calls me. He says, "I hear you're running against Byron." And I  said, "But that' be Byron Donald." That be Byron. Donald's. Yes. It goes with many names. We have H1  Byron, Apac, Shakur. We can get into that later, but I hear you're running against Byron Donald's.  And I said, "Yeah, I'm thinking about it. I I. perspective." I said, "I'm thinking about it,  Congressman." And he said, 'Well, you know, you. should know that it's not very nice to Byron if  you did that. I don't care what's nice to Byron,

Congressman. I'm fighting for my state. My state  is getting sold off in pieces by the property. developers is getting sold off. What were once  citrus groves and cattle ranches are now going. to be scam alman's next AI data center? That's  not what we stand for here in Florida. And so, for 42 minutes, he proceeds to call me out. And  I'm just listen I'm I'm brushing my teeth. I. I'm on mute. I'm just let let him talk. But  it was very clear, and this is before I had. formally announced, but it was publicly talked  about that I was seriously considering running,

that a sitting member of Congress in Washington DC  at the time was taking 42 minutes out of his day. not to talk to a constituent about one of their  needs, but to intimidate me into not challenging. You think he was trying to intimidate you? I  think so. Didn't work. I mean, if he laughs at. the murder of children, I I guess I shouldn't be  surprised, right? Wow. Does he have power in the. state? Not really. He has power in the sense that  he's the only he was the only Jewish Republican in.

in Florida in the state house, state senate. He of  course then when when Mike Waltz got appointed to. national security adviser and did such a brilliant  job there uh his seat was vacant and then Randy. Fine quickly moved into the district and decided  to run for Congress after quite literally 2 months. beforehand being elected to the state senate after  having served in the state house. And that's why. I'm proud to support my friend Aaron Baker who's  now running against Randy Fine primarying him. So Fine's not even from the district. No, he's  not. He's from he's from Bard County down in.

Melbourne. How did he get the seat? How did he  win? A lot of strings. And of course, you know, the president came in and endorsed him as well,  but a lot of very powerful people pulled strings. And it's actually a very deep red district that he  only ended up winning by five points, which just. shows you how deeply detested he is by the people  of Florida's sixth congressional district. Well, yeah. I mean, members of Congress shouldn't  endorse genocide or laugh at the murder of. children. No, that's disqualifying, right? Quite  literally starve away. when there was an image, this is July of 2025, an image of children  starving. His answer was starve away, a.

sitting member. I called the speaker of the house  when that happened and I I don't get involved in. anything really, but I I said I don't know how you  can have this guy in the Republican party. I'm not. going to vote for that. I would never vote for  a party that endorses killing kids. Why would I. do that? I'm a human being. But but George Santos  got some Botox and he gets expelled. Let me think. about that for a second. Right. No. Still starve  away. That's like it's everything that we have to.

be against. That's right. And I think whichever  side of that conflict and I think most Americans. they resonate with the words of President  Trump is you want the killing to stop. Whether. it's in Ukraine, Russia, Israel, it doesn't  matter. If I was a Jewish Issraeli Zionist, I would still feel that way. You can't ever  laugh at the death of children. It's nothing. to Yeah. That's it's totally disqualifying.  to the point where he was literally disavowed. by Apac. Yeah. Literally disavowed by takes a  lot. Apac of all groups. Uh speaking of which,

Miriam Madson has already announced that she's  funding a war chest against me. Told that to NBC. News last month. Yes. Against me. Called me out by  name. We're monitor. They did. They did the meme, Tucker. We're literally monitoring the situation  is what was said. And Miss Adlesen will be raising. a war chest against Mr. Fishbach. Miriam  Adlesen is spending against you. Yes. and she's backing Byron. Byron. And that's why you  call him Apac Shakur, among other reasons. So the.

second the second part of it for other reasons. I  wouldn't call I wouldn't call Randy Apac Shakur. That is just too funny. You don't need to  be an economist to see what's happening. The. dollar is in trouble. It's getting weaker.  It's sad, but we're not in charge of it. So. we have to respond appropriately in ways to  protect our families. When paper money dies, it's going to be replaced by programmable  digital currency or gold. Gold survives. The same Americans who think they're protecting  themselves with gold are the ones getting ripped.

off by big gold dealers. After we left  corporate media, we got offered tens of. millions of dollars to promote gold companies.  How' they get the money to spend that much on. marketing cuz they're scamming their customers.  We didn't want anything to do with that. So, we. sought an honest broker. And together, we formed  a precious metals company that you can actually. trust. It's called Battalion Metals. at battalion  metals.com. We publish actual spot prices. We're. totally transparent about the vig, what we  take, and we treat everyone with honesty. So, if you've been watching what's happening, you  know, it's not just about money. It's about.

sovereignty and holding something that endures  and cannot be manipulated or taken from you. So, if you've been waiting for the right time to  act, this is it. Visit battalion metals.com. How has he responded to Apac Shakur? Well, his  campaign called me racist. Not for that comment, but because I called him a slave to his donors.  Yeah. And I said, "With all due respect, I I'll. stop calling you a slave if you give the money  back. The $45 million you gave to your donor that. your donors gave you." $45 million. $45 million  in a primary that was uncontested until 5 weeks.

ago. No way. $45 million in an uncontested  primary until 5 weeks ago until I entered. And that was all to encourage him to make Florida  better apparently. and his idea of making Florida. better. In his own words, he wants to quote speed  up the construction of AI data centers. His words, he said in a private meeting with donors, I  have a friend of mine who was there and he said, "What do you think about Fishbach's proposal  to ban Blackstone from buying single family.

homes and forcing us to rent as opposed to own?"  And what Byron told the donor in that meeting is. that Blackstone bailed the economy. They saved  us in the financial crisis. they deserve to be. able to buy those homes. That's capitalism.  That was his response. And I say, "Look, the goal here is we need to look out for our own  people." When a family of four is getting outbid. by 1,500 bucks by a private equity firm that's  taking Chinese money at the capital gains rate. as opposed to the rate that you and I pay and  everyone else pays, half they pay half the tax.

rate. They pay half carried interest 20%. And  he thinks that because of what Blackstone did, which they didn't actually do, what Blackstone  allegedly did in 2008, gives them cover to run. rough shot over all of us and to take homes from  under our feet. And this is not a hypothetical. thing. This is happening right now. Mayor Byron  said that to a donor because what I have said, executive order number three, is that I would  ban Blackstone, any private equity firm,

any Airbnb speculator, and any foreign national  from buying a single family home in this state. of Florida. You don't get to have a right to our  homes. If you or I were to go to Canada right now. and buy a single family home, we would legally  be prohibited from doing so. Because say what. you want about Trudeau or Carney, I guess they  got the memo that Canadian that Canada is for. Canadians. America's for Americans. And I don't  think it's okay that a Chinese national or Russian. national or an Israeli national can come here and  outbid a family that's known this state for 2,

three generations and say, "You know what? That  home that you wanted to buy to get married to your. wife and to have three kids, that's not available  anymore cuz a foreign national wants to vacation. here for 5 weeks out of the year." Man, you're  spinning me up, getting mad just hearing this. Um, what kind of reaction do you get when you say  that? Very positive. I'll tell you one. Yeah, I bet you do. Well, I get a very positive reaction  because I think, and you've pointed this out,

I I loved your speech at Amfest because you  recognized that America first is not owned. exclusively by any party. Of course not. In fact,  if you went out and pulled that very question, that framework that you put out, which is the  American government should exclusively look out. for the interests of its citizens, 90% of not just  Republicans of literally everyone would agree with. that statement. Yes. And so what I was amazed by  is we had a meet and greet in Tampa Bay this past. weekend and we had 50 or so people RSVPd. Over  200 showed up and a dozen on their way out said,

"I wasn't even a Republican. I'm an independent.  I'm a Democrat. I am changing my party affiliation. so I can vote for you in the primary because  just like South Carolina, I know you had Paul. on recently. Just like South Carolina, Florida  is a red state. The next governor mathematically. will be a Republican. Trump won the state by 13,  Ronda Santis by 19. The next governor is going to. be a Republican. The question is what kind of  Republican, Tucker? Yeah. I mean, if it's the.

Republican who laughs at dead children, I'm not  voting Republican. I'm not going to ever vote for. anyone like that. Anyone who's pro- death, who's  against human dignity, for hate speech laws, who. doesn't think that providing the next generation  a chance to get married and have kids and own a. home. If you're not on board with that, then I  have nothing in common with you. Yeah. I don't. care what you call yourself. That's right. And  I think this idea that of the party labels has. become a hall of mirrors. That's for sure. What  you see isn't what you get. I mean, by the way,

Byron Donald's as of right now still endorses  Randy Fine's reelection bid despite that star and. they tried to cancel you for having a conversation  with a certain someone. He's literally endorsing. a member of Congress who told innocent children  who were literally starving on video to starve. away. That tells you everything you need to  know about my opponent, Byron Donald's. Well, I I know Byron and I've always gotten along with  him. He's super cheerful. Um I didn't realize is.

Is he ideological? I've never detected that. No.  That's why I call him a slave. Yeah. What did And. they called you a racist for that? They didn't.  Which is actually quite interesting because I got. a call from the Foundational Black American  Society here in Florida who reminded me that. Byron's mother is Jamaican. He is Panameanian.  And they found it quite insulting in their words. that he would try to claim victimhood of slavery  that a single descendant of American slaves in his.

family. I like those foundational guys nasheed  and all. I mean, I don't agree with everything, but like I they've got a perspective. If your  family's been here 400 years and the descendants. of a lot of American slaves or families have  been here 400 years, I don't know. I I think. that gives I'll listen to you like, you know,  you've got a point of view that is legitimate, I think. Yeah. And they're they're unequivocally  heritage Americans. That's for sure. They're. definitely heritage Americans. If anyone is. And  you know, someone rolls in from Ghana and like,

you know, gets an MSNBC slot and starts telling  you speaking on behalf of black people. It's like, shut up, honey. You've got nothing to do with  this. That's a fair perspective, I think. And so, it's good to actually see them call them out for  that. That's actually cultural appropriation. Appropriating the struggle of slavery. I  totally agree. And the struggle of slavery. was real. Let's I mean I don't think Republicans  ever want to really whitewash that. It's real, right? But for slavery, we're against it. Whether  it's in the, you know, West Bank or or here or. anywhere. Anywhere. Yeah. Against it. And so for  Byron's group, his team to call me and essentially.

our entire supporting base, racists, for saying  that you're a slave when quite literally you took. $45 million. You won't tell us what you agreed to  to take that money this early in a primary, which. is unprecedented. you know this how unprecedented  that kind of money is in an uncontested primary. until now. But secondarily to actually go out  and try to gaslight us and think that you're. just one of those guys that has been here, you  know, since the early 1800s and your family was. in the struggle, too. You're not. And that's  a very interesting term that the foundational.

black Americans use. It's called tether. They're  tethering these tethers like Byron Donald's. They. come here literally one generation in and they  try to just sit around and act so folksy that. we're all part of the same struggle and we're  all down on our and we need to fight against No, you just got here, dude. Like the Haitians, like  the the guys from Ghana who just got here, you. don't get to just be a part of our system and then  lecture us about how our country went wrong. Well, and and if you're a Republican, supposedly  conservative Republican, to throw around the.

term racist, I mean, that's what I personally  I'll speak for myself. I voted against that. in November last year, right? I don't like that  style of non-argument. Just dismiss someone off. the top. You're you're a bad person. I don't have  to respond to your specific charge against me. I. I'm too old for that. I thought we were Aren't  we opposed to that identity politics? 100%. And. I I'll tell you the the identity politics of the  right is probably the greatest it's ever been.

But it's actually codified into law, which is the  scariest part. I've noticed that, right? you know, say what you want, but left-wing identity  politics never criminalized being a racist. to a black person in that sense. Like there was  never a hate speech law against which would have. been unjust to call out a black person or black  culture or anything like that. I think that's. deplorable to single out any as a Christian. I  would right of course condemn that. Of course, but it's interesting that there's only a hate  speech law for one particular foreign nation as.

opposed to anything. I'm I'm against them entirely  because they're blatantly unconstitutional. They. violate the First Amendment, of course. But it's  interesting that right-wing identity politics has. gotten to this point where anti-semitic is just a  term. I mean, I was I got a call from the Sunset. Auditorial board. They were interviewing me the  other day and they said, this is fascinating. This is the the paper of record in South  Florida, my childhood paper in Fort Lauderdale, and they asked me, "Why did you put out an  anti-semitic proposal to divest the $385 million?".

said, "How is it anti-Semitic to bring back money,  our money that was foolishly sent over to not buy. sovereign bonds?" Like, what? Which actually  have a subpar return given the geopolitical. risk premium on offer in Israel right now, if  we're going to be completely honest, right? They. actually said that to you. They actually said that  and I just challenged the entire Buy our bonds or. you're a Nazi. That's kind of the trade. Or you're  a Nazi. And by the way, think about this, Tucker. This is so bonkers. I can't. What's actually anti  because this $385 million statewide down payment.

assistance program, this would of course go to  any Florida resident who is young and married. So, the ironic thing is that actually opposing it, if  anything, would be anti-Semitic because they're. going to be young Jewish couples who are ready  to buy a home, start a family, and live out the. American dream here in the Sunshine State. And  so, it's amazing that we've gotten to this point. of debate and discourse in America where the  ad homonym attack precludes the debate from. even happening. Look, you want to have an honest,  earnest debate about buying Israeli bonds, fine. I welcome that debate. But don't sit here and  call American citizens anti-Semitic for opposing.

a third of a billion dollars being shipped  overseas to fund some stupid war. I totally. agree. And it is kind of crazy if you think about  I've got nothing against Miriam Aden personally. I know her, but I mean she's an Israeli and Donald  Trump said in his remarks on television in the. Knesset to her, you care about Israel more than  the United States, which is her right. But how was. she a huge player in my country, not her country,  my country's politics? Like, how was that allowed?

If there was some Chinese guy and he was pretty  open about caring a lot more about the CCP than. he cares about the United States, it would not be  cool to take money from him. And that person would. not be allowed to get on TV and be like, "I don't  like what you're saying about my actual country. Therefore, I'm going to drown you in gambling  money from China." Yeah. From Macau. Yeah. Yeah. Well, can you imagine like the equivalent?  What is going on? Why is Why do we think this is. normal? Talk about foreign interference in our  elections. But it's it's a two-tiered system.

of foreign interference because remember Jack Ma  from Alibaba, right? Can you imagine if Jack Ma. was running around telling NBC News he was going  to fund political candidates? Well, exactly. How. outraged he would literally get investigated by  the DOJ on some madeup moneyaundering charge. That is right. Moved some comma the wrong way  and it's suddenly wire fraud under the commerce. clause. Right. But think about it. Can you imagine  how repulsed we would all rightly be if Shak Ma. or some Ukrainian or Russian oligarch was openly  flagrantly being involved in US politics? That's.

totally bonkers. Um, so when you call has Byron  taken money from Apac? Yes. So that's why Apac. Shakore. Yes. I just like I'm only factual with  these things because it's very funny. Did that go. over well? It went over very well. It went over  very well and people like it. I think people. want I don't try to take myself too seriously and  you know I think we're not allowed to. We're not.

allowed to. Gen Z was such an important part of  the president's victory last year. Yes. And they. feel betrayed by a lot of these Trump adviserss  and what they've chosen to prioritize and not. I. can see why. And when I've met them, and I've  met them where they are at their universities, whether it's UF a couple weeks ago, I'll be at FSU  in just a couple weeks from now, their number one. frustration is that look, they don't want to be  lectured anymore. They got a degree. They got good.

grades. They got good test scores. They didn't  study gender studies or black intersectionality. They did the STEM thing that Republicans told them  to do. Yeah. Learn to code. learn to code. And now. they say, "You know what? Amazon, Google, FedEx,  no. No. Those jobs aren't available for you. You. pesky Americans. You want paid time off. You  want to go to church on Sunday. We're going to. give those jobs to an entire new class of foreign  surfs known as the Indians and the Chinese. And. we're not going to even interview you for those  positions." They don't even pretend that the.

Chinese or the Indians are smarter. They're not.  They don't speak our language. They have no skin. in the game. They're not at all. Oh, I know. And  so the issue then becomes, do we actually have. a labor market that is utterly rigged against  American citizens? The answer is yes. And you. know that by virtue of the H-1B program, these  tech companies, it's not as if they've stopped. hiring generally. They've stopped hiring Americans  because they can bring in all this cheap foreign. labor. My belief is that a market-based wage is  always going to attract the best labor. I agree.

with you 100%. That's the promise of the market,  right? It is. And I, you know, someone like Ben. Shapiro to come out at Amfest in one of the side  panels and he said, "I want white men to stop. complaining and get off the couch because there  are jobs that are available." No, no, no. Here, here's the truth, Ben. When you say that, you  say the Americans won't work these jobs. No, Ben Shapiro, they won't work these jobs at the  slave submarket wages that you are offering them.

you offer someone here in my state an honest wage  for an honest day's work, they'll take that every. single time and they'll show up, but they'll take  off on Sunday to praise our Christian Lord. It's. funny to see um I never mention Ben Shapiro cuz  I don't think about him very often, but on those. moments where sort of you see what somebody really  thinks, just kind of if you talk long enough, you. reveal what you really think. It's always been my  view. Ben Shapiro's total disdain and loathing for. white Christian men is every bit as real, every  bit as bristling with hostility as any kind of.

college democratic socialist of America leftist.  Yes, it's exactly the same. It's just like he. just hates them. He hates them. Why? So, it's  probably because I mean there's a lot of reasons, but I think that entire class of people doesn't  have a real solution and in fact has profited on. the demise of of all of this. And you know, it's  not just young white men. It's young black women.

who literally studied engineering and said, "You  know what? I want to go get a job working on this. bridge." No, that job that's not available for you  anymore. That job was given to an Indian and it's. actually effectively DEI for Indians in the name  of capitalism. I've noticed it. Yeah. Right. And I. I think this is a part of a bigger debate that's  happening within the party. This they call it a. civil war. I I call it a genuine good-spirited  debate is if we are saying that we're principled. conservatives, then it begs the question from  where do we draw these principles? Exactly. Right.

Is it from the American Enterprise Institute? Is  it from Ronald McDaniel's handbook on conservative. principles? Or is it from our Christian  Bible? Yeah. Is it from our Constitution, our Declaration of Independence, the Federalist  Papers? And I think this idea of the free market, I think the free market is a great place to get  to the destination, but the destination is not a. free market, Tucker. We don't get to sit here and  say, well, our people are suffering and they're. unemployed and they're addicted to fentanyl and  they can't have kids and they can't own a home.

and there's 50 years of usery, but you know what?  We got a free market and we have the freest market. in the world. We have the freest market in the  world. No. If the goal was a free market, Tucker, there'd be a slave auction happening outside right  now. There's supply, there's demand, there's an. equilibrium. My view in the America first movement  is our northstar should not be a free market, but. a free people. Amen. And when I say free people,  I mean American citizens. I don't mean the H-1Bs. I don't mean the Haitians on TPS. And I sure as  heck I sure as heck don't mean any corporation.

that wants to come here and plant a flag and say  that our goal is to boost profit margins and stock. price. And all of a sudden, all that matters is  not whether you can raise a family or buy a home, but the GDP beat expectations on your Bloomberg  terminal. That's exactly right. That's exactly. right. How did you can I say something cuz I know  um to the extent this will be seen and criticized, I'm sure they people will say, "But this guy was  in a sex scandal and you didn't mention it." I. just I'm not asking you to respond to this. I  just want to tell you my reasoning on it. So, the.

second you were deemed a threat, they sent people  out and tried to call you a sex criminal. Um, you've not been charged with any sex crime that I  know of. And if you're a sex criminal, you know, I hope you go to jail. And if you're not, I hope  they stop saying it. But a lot of the people. are pushing that have no basis. I just I don't  want to, you know, attack anyone in particular, but it's pretty unbelievable that some of the  people pushing that would accuse somebody else. of having an unorthodox sex life. I think it's  shocking actually given what I know. So I hope.

they'll stop doing that because they have no  basis for doing that and that's why I'm not. bringing it up. So I just want to say that. Well,  thank you Tucker. Sorry. It makes me mad. Well, that level of hypocrisy is too much. That's  Pharisee level hypocrisy. You can't have that. It it it is. And you know the truth is is that  unlike a certain someone who deleted social media. recently because he couldn't take the heat, I  recognize that my entire life is going to be. blown open. that there was a guy taking pictures  of me outside of my house the other day. People.

taking videos of me at at a bar. It's going to  happen and I I welcome it. I welcome that. I. think if you're going to run the third largest  state, you're going to control the life of. effectively two 23 and a half million people here  in Florida. You should have to be an open book. But on that particular point, if you'll allow me  just to address it. Of course, nowadays, false. accusations against men are all too common. Yeah.  Those accusations were brought before a judge in. Florida's second judicial circuit and after two  lengthy hearings, I was fully exonerated. So,

don't take my word for it. There was 7 hours  of hearing time, evidence, all of that. And. a judge said, "You know what? Not credible. No  evidence to support it. Mr. Fishbach, I apologize. effectively and you're exonerated." And so, I  think the silver lining to this particular attack. against me is that it's already gone through due  process. And the fact that it's coming out now, I think shows that our campaign, our vision is a  real threat to the deep establishment interests. that have hijacked our state. But of all things  to hit you on by those people, it's uh it's a it,

you know, that enraged me. Like if you're going  to accuse someone else of having a weird sex life, you better have a pretty normal sex life. And if  you don't, you shouldn't do that. That's really. uh too much hypocrisy for me. So um the other  attack that I have seen against you is that. your views have changed. Yeah. And the response I  have seen from you is Oh yeah, they have. So which. is a great response I think. Um my my views  have changed completely. So I'm I'm with you. Yeah. Tell me how your views and why your views  changed. Well, I would start on this issue of.

the economy first and foremost because I dropped  out of college in 2015 to start a hedge fund and. I did that for 5 years. Really? Yeah. Good for  you. So, I was a macro trader, which meant that. I was always fascinated with geopolitics. I was a  high school debate kid for four years. It changed. my life. I had a stutter. I wasn't as confident  speaking publicly. And turns out going to a high. school debate tournament every other weekend for  four years will turn that around pretty quickly.

Yes. First tournament, by the way, was at Marjgery  Stoman Douglas High School in Parkland. No way. In. 2009, where we actually debated an assault weapons  ban, an assault weapons ban of all things. Um, but yeah, grew up in Broward County and my my  career has been as an investor, looking at the. world as a macro investor, saying, "How is the  Fed going to screw this up next?" Right? looking. at what happened with COVID, the supply chain,  the supply chain lockdowns, the massive fiscal.

transfers, the stimulus that was going into the  economy, oftentimes to the lowest income folks, which had the highest propensity to spend that  was clearly going to cause inflation alongside. the money printing from the Fed upwards of $5  trillion. And so those are types of trades that. I put on as as an investor. And so I really viewed  a lot of this world from quite literally the perch. of a Bloomberg terminal. So when I was saying  looking at GDP expectations on a Bloomberg, that. was me for 10 years. I spent a lot more time on  the ground. I started a nonprofit called Incubate.

Debate to offer free high school debate leagues  all across my state from Pensacola to Miami. And. when I really got to travel these hollowedout  places that were once teameming with life, booming with industry, I saw how detached that  world was from this Bloomberg terminal where I had. seen GDP and inflation and consumer spending. Yes.  and said, you know, I I respect President Trump, but when I hear about another trillion dollars  coming in from Nvidia, I guess the obvious.

question is, how does that help a single dad who  lost his job 5 years ago and hasn't been able to. get back on his feet? What are we optimizing  for? Is the goal GDP or is the goal as I think. my friend Nathan Hobbleto from from new founding  says is the goal the I think the ultimate economic. statistic these days which is what percentage of  30-year-old men own their home and are married. if you think about your entire economic policy  framework around that question and I do right. and so if the question is will we build this AI  data center I don't know does it help 30-year-old.

men get married or buy their home the answer would  obviously be No, because it employs 50 people who. are all foreign laborers for the most part, that  doesn't help. But if we're going to revitalize. citrus here in Florida, if we're going to actually  build out local businesses and help people get. on their feet and create local, great paying  jobs and end the H-1B scam and ban Blackstone, if we focus on those economic policies with the  end goal being 30-year-old men are more likely.

on the margin to buy a home and get married  as a result of this policy, then sign me up. And so my distortion was look, I spent much of my  20s going to events by the Brookings Institution. and AEI and heritage and learning about the  economy through that vantage point. And so. guilty is charged. I think my views really I  voted for Trump proudly in 2016. I've always. been a Republican for whatever that's worth quite  literally since since high school and I registered. to vote in junior high school. Didn't vote junior  year high school. I don't want anyone to think I'm.

committing voter fraud. But you're not the only  one. But my views I think if I were to give one. reason I think X and everyone talks about X but  I want to talk about it in a very specific way to. my life. I think it's hard to watch something and  get really redpilled or nationalist pill. I think. you have to have a steady stream of objective  factual information. Yeah. For me and my grandma. that was your monologues in 2020 quite literally  and we bonded over those. Um, for me the last.

year or so it's been following AF Post, this  exac account that just puts out 30, 40 posts. a day. Kind of punchy, kind of funny, but really  factually grounded news about what's happening. Whether it's a company announcing H1B hires, and  they editorialize in the sense that if Amazon. announces that they're laying off 30,000 people,  they won't just print that headline like the. Wall Street Journal editorial board will, those  globalist shills. They will print that headline, but also contextualize it by saying that Amazon  also just brought on 10,000 H1Bs. So, they have.

no issue firing our people, but they will bring  on foreign labor and not apologize for it. And so, when accounts like AF Post actually give us the  full context around something, which the New York. Times, the Wall Street Journal would never do,  I really appreciate that. I think for me on on. the issue which I get the biggest push back on is  Israel, right? How you you wrote for Barry Weiss, you wrote for the Free Press. I wrote a article  about high school debate going woke in 2023,

which I'm really proud of. It was the basis for  my nonprofit really growing to the next level. because there were quite literally high school  debate tournaments that were taxpayer funded. Here in Florida, they were told a young black girl  before a speech about President Biden's foreign. policy track record that if she mentioned Donald  Trump's name, she would be disqualified in in a. public school. We had we had one judge in writing  saying in writing, Tucker, I am a Marxist Leninist. Mauist, and if you criticize any of the following  subjects, you are automatically disqualified. One.

judge went so far as to say again in writing, not  hearsay, literally in writing. I'm comfortable. writing that. Yeah. Which tells everything  about the world of high school debate in. academia. But it's really personal to me because  high school debate changed my life and it always. was a marketplace of ideas until this guy named  Trump came down the escalator. One judge said, "If we're debating immigration and you refer to  them as illegal, I will end the debate, give you. the loss, and lecture you, lecture you because I  will not have you making the debate space unsafe.

And so, you know, I cold emailed, cold called  Barry Weiss because I knew the free press was. kind of in this business of publishing edgy pieces  about how institutions had been hijacked. And this. was in 2023. And I said, "Hey, I have this crazy  story. I'm a former high school debate champion. I. have this crazy story about how high school debate  has gone woke and my solution to it, which is my. nonprofit." And she published it and it went  bonkers. And so, I think people are looking at.

that and saying, "Well, you're aligned with Barry  Weiss." And I think to their to their credit to. that thing, I did put out a post when her book  came out about anti-semitism because after October. 7th, I think like a lot of people, I saw what  was happening on college campuses and said that's. wrong. Not because it was exclusively focused  on Jewish students, but any black lesbian with. red hair running into a math class saying like,  "Free Palestine and white men need to apologize. for the alleged sins of their ancestors." That's  wrong. I guess I was led to believe that that was. all part of this anti-semitism thing. I called it  out thinking it was anti-semitism, but really it.

was anti-Americanism. It was anti-Christianism.  Well, that's for sure. And my views on Israel. changed in for two reasons. I was invited on one  of these paid trips to Israel as a young business. professional. And I very quickly found out what it  was. It was a propaganda trip. And what I was told. that I couldn't go certain places on my own or had  to follow a very simple script when I left about. what I would be I'd have to clear my experiences  to share them online. Yeah. And I said,

"I'm not doing that. I'm not I'm happy to go to  a foreign country, but I'm not doing it on your. dime and have to parrot out some script that was  approved by Apac." That was the first straw where. I kind of became a little bit more skeptical. But  there was this young man named Muhammad Ibrahim. He's a 16-year-old kid from right here in Florida,  and he went to visit family in the West Bank last. February, and he was accused without any evidence  of throwing a rock at an IDF vehicle. didn't hurt. anybody, but he was accused of it. So, as a result  of that accusation, he was put in an Israeli.

military prison without any due process, no trial.  For eight months, he lost 27 pounds and contracted. scabies. And I committed the capital crime. Wait,  wait. Is he Is he an American citizen? Yes. How. can they How can a proxy state that we pay for  imprison an American citizen without due process. for 8 months? It's a great question. And you know  to the folks on the other side I would say I'm. going to hold Israel to the same standard you want  me to hold Israel to that you say they're the only.

democracy in the Middle East while democracies are  underpinned by a basic adherence to the rule of. law and you don't get to take anyone but least  of all our citizens and who are teenagers and. imprison them for 8 months. And then Randy fine  that was half of the point of his call was to call. me anti-semitic. He said well you didn't tweet  about the hostages enough. And I said, "Randy, what would have been the correct number of tweets  on the hostages that have given me license to talk. about this young American citizen?" But because  he's a Muslim, because he's a Muslim, to them,

he is a secondass citizen. I said, "Look, I don't  care what he is. He's an American citizen. He grew. up 2 and 1/2 hours from where I did." I went and  met with the family and I put out a video that I. actually texted the president directly and I said,  "We have to do something about this." Yeah. Um, one of the PR principles I'll never give up  is you shouldn't be allowed to come here and. import your disgusting little ethnic conflicts  into my country and make them the focus of my. foreign policy. And I would say that to any  any any immigrant, Cuba, Venezuela, Israel,

doesn't matter. You may have had a thousand-year  war with some other tribe, but that's not our. problem. And we don't do that here. And um,  and I think the Muslim hate Muslim, you know, that's only what that's about. Right. Exactly.  And my dad showed me a video while we were on. the way over here of a black pastor who I think  rightly focused on the one nation under God and. our pledge of allegiance. And you think about that  for a moment. If you come here and to truly pledge.

your allegiance to our flag, it means you are  committing to the one singular nation. of course, not to import a generational, multi-generational  feud between different nations. So when you come. here, whether you're Jewish, Muslim, it doesn't  matter. And you say and you stand for that pledge, and it's sad that we don't do that in our schools  anymore, I'll change that as governor as well, that it is a basic precondition that if you go to  a public school that you do attest that we are one.

nation under God. That's not really debatable.  And so I think it's important because if you've. got different the Haitians and the Dominicans hate  each other for some reason, there's a feud going. on with different Muslim groups and this and all  of that. And I say, look, if you're going to come. here at a at a minimum, you have to commit to the  whole one nation thing. At at an absolute minimum, and I can't think of a better way, and maybe  that's why there's this this insistence,

this reluctance, they're so loath to actually  stand for our pledge. I always thought of it, Tucker, as they were trying to be righteous and  it was kind of like their version of bending the. knee, right? It's they actually don't believe in  what the pledge for at all. It's not like, well, we don't want to be compelled into something or  we don't believe in chauvinism or or whatever. It. is quite literally they don't adhere to what the  pledge represents principally one nation. one. And. I don't care what that nation you came from is.  When you come here and you stand for that pledge,

you must adhere to that principle. Whether that  nation you left was Israel to serve in a foreign. military. You don't get to have dual citizenship.  You don't get to advocate for another country's. interests over ours. Like these are not crazy  ideas. These are like any nation would enforce. those ideas, right? Because and just go to South  America. Imagine, you know, my mom's from Colombia. and I spent summers going there. I don't of course  consider myself a Colombian. I'm a proud American.

My mom is as well. But can you like going to a  Colombian just even something as innocuous as a. they call it football, but a soccer game. Can you  imagine going to a Colombian soccer game and not. standing for the national anthem? And like whether  you disagreed with what was in the men's room, right? Right. with some Supreme Court decision  or whether you had a different view of abort or. whatever. Like to not stand for our national  anthem to to affirm the very ideals that set.

this country into motion is to hold the most vile  form of contempt for this nation and her people. Exactly. Damn. I can see why they hate you. Um  so can you win? Pardon my ignorance. I mean, I just I Florida politics is so corrupt that  I just try and stay far away from it. But. what do you think? I think so. I really do. So, I  think I probably shouldn't share inside baseball,

but let me let me do that. I think what has to  happen very simply is I'm not going to outra him. I'm not going to outspend him. But you know what?  Neither did Trump to Kamla. Neither did Trump to. Hillary. No. True. And so I think this is going  to ultimately we are in an attention economy and. the attention is going to go to the person who  can connect and show up and earn the trust of. voters. You don't get to earn the trust of voters  in that Fox News studio in Washington DC. Uh no. Byron Donald is in DC 4 days out of a week. This  is my state. I live here. My my dad grew up here.

My grandfather taught here. My great-grandfather  ran a hotel on Fort Lauderdale Beach here. This is. my home and I'm not going to let it be stolen  from anyone. Least of all, Byron Donald's and. his donors. And so what I've already announced,  Tucker, is that over the next 3 months, I'm going. to visit all 67 counties. In just 5 weeks, I've  visited 12. I'll visit every single state college. And proud to break the news here. I'm doing a  statewide Waffle House tour. This is the staple. of Florida. I'm going to every single Waffle  House to meet voters where they are. They deserve.

to see a governor hands-on, to ask him questions.  Heck, if they want to yell at me, debate with me, that's fine. I am never never going to shy away  from the people that I'm asking to hire me. Fat. I just get the bacon. I get a bacon and a large  coke. Good call. Good call. I remember Jeb Bush. when he ran in 2016. I traveled with him for a  while. He was going no carb and he lost at the end. of course in I think South Carolina and we were in  a diner together in South Carolina and he whatever.

his many faults he could be kind of funny and  he's like no I'm I'm getting the Blu-ray pancakes. I don't care it's over and just immediately  excuse me um so you think your money is going. to come from where? Small dollar donors. Yeah,  you're going to need it cuz I mean you haven't. said a single thing that it's going to attract  Ken Griffin to your campaign. Fair. I think so. Yeah. Look, I I think that I'm I'm always meeting  open to meeting with donors, but it's on the basic. precondition that you are donating in the to the  campaign that already exists. There's no influence.

on the campaign whatsoever. And I I would invite  people to hold my feet to the fire on that one. I. think the biggest thing though is if you just look  at what the turning point has been for Florida. politics, uh we had an a commissioner here in  2018 named Adam Putnham. He was the establishment. darling. A very good guy. Yeah, I remember him  well. His family's been here for a very, very. long time. Wellrespected family here in Florida.  And then this guy named Ronda Santis comes on.

the scene. And there's a lot of twist and turns,  but that election in 2018 was really decided by. the Fox News primary debate in the summer of 2018  where it was Ron and Adam on stage for an hour and. a half unfiltered. No handlers, no donors, just 2  and a2 million voters watching at home. I think if. you put me on that debate stage, and I'll I'll be  in this race all the way to the end. When we get. to that debate stage, I will end Byron Donald's  career, and I will show that my vision for my.

state that I've known for four generations, our  family has known is the right vision. I view this. as a fork in the road. Do you want old Florida  or do you want new Florida? If you want AI data. centers, if you want what Byron Donald says, which  is he wants to make Florida the financial capital. of the world, if you want that, that's the new  Florida vision. But if you like our state just. the way she is, if you want to go back to the  way things were 10, 15 years ago, cattle, citrus, space, a, if you want to end the overdevelopment  that has destroyed our communities, pull back the.

sprawl, I'm running for governor, and I'd be  honored to have your vote. You really think. he's going to debate you? I think he has to.  Really? I think he has to. What about this? So, there's a lieutenant governor. I didn't even know  he existed until I saw a clip from him that was. so over the top. His name is Jay Collins. I think  it was so shocking that I sent it to someone who. works here and say, "Is this AI? This can't be  real." And he was basically saying, "You don't. have the right to criticize Israel." Yeah. Like,  free speech does not exist in the United States.

Was that real? It was real. Who is that guy? He's  the newly appointed lieutenant governor. He's been. on the job for about 4 and a half months. Am  I misstating what he said? No, he he he quite. literally started off by saying you do not have  a right to hurt people with your words, which is. which is almost like a true or false question in  fifth grade civics about the First Amendment, but. it's also like the most left-wing thing you could  ever say. It's like the MPCs, the people I spent. my entire 15 years at Fox railing against these  sensitive people who want to claim that words.

are violence, stochastic violence or whatever. I  mean, this was like a that's the whole ideology of. the left. I can't believe this guy's a he's real  a Republican so-called. He is what they call the. transgender Republicans. They identify as such,  but they're not really. And when someone actually. goes out there and says you don't have a right to  hurt people with your words, I mean, Timmy Timmy, true or false, does the first amendment give you  a right to hurt people with if you failed that in. fifth grade civics, they would hold you back a  year as governor. I would hold anybody back who.

failed that question. You know, it was funny. He  put out a a comment about Venezuela and Maduro. He was very critical of Maduro, as I think a lot  of people should be, for what he's done to the. country. But I I I responded and I think proudly  ratioed him. I said, "With all due respect, Lieutenant Governor Collins, I'm formally filing  a complaint with the Office of Hate Crime Speech. for insulting Maduro with your harmful words,  right?" And and that's what it's come to. And. so when you ask yourself what what vision for  the Republican party do we want? I actually.

think everyone's talking about 2028. 2026 here  in Florida, we are the formidable Republicans. I. agree with that. I agree with that. This is going  to be the proxy of what the party looks like. And I don't know what the party's going to look  like in 28. But if you've got me on the ballot, Byron Donald's on the ballot, Jay Collins, I  don't know what he's going to do. Okay. So, Lieutenant Governor hasn't decided decided what  he wants to do. He's still checking with his wife, apparently. Quite literally, that's what he said.  He just keeps checking with his wife. Actually, actually, yeah. And so this is a guy, not to go  on a big tangent, but this is a guy who actually. reached out to my own uncle, like my actual uncle,  like my my dad's over there, my father's brother,

and tried to convince him to get me to drop  out. And so my uncle was calling me all of a. sudden on a Saturday. He hasn't spoken to me in a  while for an hour and a half on the phone saying, "Jay Collins this, Jay Collins that." It's weird,  but the governor, our governor, Ronda Santis, is not endorsing Jay Collins. He's certainly  not endorsing Byron Donald's. And this is a. wideopen race as far as I'm concerned. made  the best person win. And the best person, Tucker, is not the person who looks best on Fox.  Although, I don't think Byron looks all that good.

on Fox. You're not getting invited on Fox. I'm  just telling you that right now. Sorry, they're. not having you. Well, thank you for having me here  today. Of course. No, I worked there. I know they. are not inviting you on Fox. But I think if you  look at and I on the way over here, we stopped at. uh Chipotle. We call it Chapatle in our family  because we like to be funny. That's the spirit. We. say we go to Japat and we say can I have the polo  bull with the fagitis but I I was in Japle and a. young man by the name of Aiden he's 22 years old  he works for Charlotte County in the maintenance.

division and he comes up to me says are are you  James Fishbach and I said yeah I have never voted. in any election not even in a primary you have  my vote I'm switching over to the Republican. party to vote for you on August 18th I think  and I don't want to take credit for our vision. it's a vision that's been honestly I've watched a  lot your stuff, read a lot of what's happened in. this space. It's one that I believe in. I believe  it's the only way forward for my state and I think. there's a real hunger because with with whatever  you want to say about Byron Donald establishment.

money, even the polls that have come out about  him, they still show 54% roughly of the electorate. still undecided. And this is a guy who's  been in the race now for 11 months, who's got. $45 million, who's on Fox News three times a week,  regurgitating the same GOP slop, and he still has. half of the electorate undecided about whether  to vote for him. So, I'm in this race because. I think my state needs someone to step up and  I want to earn people's support and being able. to do. When is the primary? August 18th. It's a  closed primary. So, the cool thing about this is.

you got until July 20th. If you're an independent,  you used to be a Republican. And if you're one of. the Dixie Democrats we've got all over the state  who may have voted Republican recently but hasn't. changed their party affiliation, you can do that  online for free at the Florida DMV website. Just. Google change voter registration in Florida. Takes  you 5 minutes. That now gives you the ability. to show up on August 18th because you know this  Tucker, this is a red state through and through. We haven't had a Democrat governor in 30 years.  We may never have one again. And so the election, if you wait till November, you're literally  allowing the system to disenfranchise. Totally.

right. If if I think if we lived in New York City,  we probably would be registered Democrats because. you otherwise would not. I lived in DC for my  whole life. I was always a registered Democrat. cuz I wanted to vote for the least crazy Democrat  in the primary cuz I live there. It mattered to. me. And so my pitch to to a public school teacher  is we may not agree on everything, but if you want. someone who's going to fight for the dignity of  American citizens, someone who's going to make. your job easier as a teacher, when we have 1.4  four million illegals in our state, many of whom, all of whom have children enrolled in our public  schools. Met with a teacher a couple weeks ago in.

Southwest Florida, not too far from here. And  she broke down crying because her ninth grade. class had 20 students, seven of whom did not speak  English. They're illegals. And so, executive order. number four is to remove all illegal immigrant  children from our school. I had someone ask me. recently, "Isn't that cruel?" And I said, "No,  ma'am. What's cruel is to force American citizens.

to dilute their education to take attention away  from a teacher who has the second lowest teacher. pay on average in any part of the country and say  you have to teach half your class in English and. the other half in broken creole or Spanish for  people who just got here. That's what's cruel. and that is what is vile. And actually, it's  weird because the Supreme Court in 1982 found. in Plyer Veto rather disastrously that illegal  immigrant children actually have a 14th amendment. constitutional right to attend public school. And  so I would proudly, as Mississippi did, challenge.

Roie Wade, I would proudly, as governor, pass an  executive order to challenge that decision. And. I know we would win in the Supreme Court. Whether  it be 54 or 63 would depend on how she's feeling. that day, though. James Fishbach, that was great.  That was great. And Godspeed. Thank you. Thanks.