It’s Time to Decide: America First or Lindsey Graham’s Psychosexual Death Cult?

Good evening and welcome and happy anniversary.  Tonight is the one-year anniversary of Trump's. second election to the presidency. It was a  year ago tonight that Donald Trump not only won, but won a majority of the popular vote. And  not only won a majority of the popular vote, but won with a coalition that was broader than  any Republican coalition probably since 1984. with the Reagan landslide. So, a 40-year  coalition. And at the time, looking at not.

just how many people voted, but who voted, it  seemed really obvious if you were interested. in keeping the left at bay and the Republicans  in power for say the next generation or two, you would copy exactly what Donald Trump did  because no one else has done it in 40 years. He created this amazing not just landslide,  not not really a landslide, but it was an. amazing victory in an environment in which most  people assumed you couldn't have an authoritative. victory because the country is just too closely  divided. So it was it was an amazing thing that.

Donald Trump did a year ago. So the election was  a year ago. That means the midterm election is a. year from now. The next presidential election two  years after that. So, it's probably not too early. to start thinking through what comes after Donald  Trump. No respect to the sitting disrespect to the. sitting president, but of course, there's going to  be something after him because he can't run again. And needless to say, people are thinking about  that. And not only are they thinking about it, they're already arguing and fighting about it.  There is what Politico is calling a civil war.

in the Republican party. And it's over, of  course, identity because the only wars we. have in this country, the only sanctioned wars  we have domestically are about identity. BLM, anti-semitism. Of course, that's not really  what they're ever about. These are proxy wars. These are wars waged on behalf of people who  aren't directly participating uh for reasons. that are never openly stated. And this war is  actually about what comes after Donald Trump.

Does the Republican party, the party that now has  power and a lot of money, revert to what it was. before Trump, or does it continue to evolve in the  direction that Trump has steered it? That's the. question. And on that question hangs a lot. Well,  control of the most powerful country in the world, control of the free world, such as it is,  the shrinking free world, and um, you know,

an awful lot of jobs for people and an an awful  lot of military power. So there is a lot at stake. in this contest. So consider the two choices here.  You can go with the Republican party as it was, which is basically neoonservative foreign  policy, libertarian economic policy, the you know. Republican party of the think tanks in Washington  of the Wall Street Journal editorial page of. all the deep thinkers in the Republican party.  Deep thinkers in the Republican deep thinkers.

um the ones who are always invoking you know the  same three Reagan quotes and quoting Toqueville. incorrectly and you know doing their little we're  ariodite impression uh or does it continue to. become what it is currently becoming which is the  party of Donald Trump what is that what is MAGA. exactly how do you make America great again well  Donald Trump in his sort of signature way which. is to say never quite spelling everything all  the way out because he's not very ideological.

but instead said sort of leading by implication  and by action. The position of Donald Trump in. the last election was America first. And what  does America first means? America first means. very simply the US government should act foremost  on behalf of American citizens. Which is to say. every big decision the US government makes should  keep in mind the top of the list of concerns. How. does this affect the people who pay for this  and who I represent? And again, most people.

thought that was a system that we already had.  Turns out it wasn't. Donald Trump awakened all. of us to that. The system was not acting in the  interest of the country. Was acting really without. reference to the people living in the country.  Didn't care. Um, and it was acting on behalf of. a bunch of other different imperatives. And Donald  Trump steered it back to where it was supposed to. be in the first place, which was acting on behalf  of America. That's what America first means. This. was not just a popular message. This is the most  popular political message that any candidate has. delivered in many, many generations. And it's  popular because, excuse me, it's self-evidently.

true. Who wouldn't want that? And that exactly  that message is the message that drew a record. high number of famously black voters, Latino  voters, voters of all kinds, just American. voters united by a belief that the US government  ought to represent them and drain the swamp and no. more pointless wars, etc., etc., but they're all  branches of the same tree, which is America first, which is not only a non-threatening message, it's  really the only legitimate message that a leader.

of America can send. And it's the only legitimate  principle that can guide any American leader. So. that is the winning message. If you're hoping  to keep the Republican party dominant or make. it into something more positive than it currently  is, cleave to that and you will win. It's super. obvious. There's like no person who thinks about  this for 6 minutes who could disagree with that. On the other side is a return to the Republican  party that we had before, which is a party that.

has all kinds of other agendas, most of which are  never publicly revealed, and that spends a lot of. its time policing its own members. Now, what does  it attempt to achieve by policing them? Well, it. attempts to achieve silence. It wants them to shut  up about what is actually happening. And what is. actually happening is that on the foreign policy  side, which is the side that Washington cares. about because it's got the most money and the most  power, you can literally kill people and there's. no power greater than that. Our foreign policy is  not wholly dependent on the whims of Israel. Of.

course, we have, you know, acting in lots of parts  of the world that have nothing to do with Israel, but it is unduly influenced by the concerns of  Israel. And in some cases, the US government. has acted, and these are all wellknown. The Iraq  war, for example, has acted in ways that hurt the. United States in order to help Israel. It has  put the aims of a foreign power above its own. interests. And that's immoral. It's illegitimate.  It's extremely unpopular domestically and it just.

doesn't work over time. That's not sustainable.  You can't there's no way to justify that. So. rather than trying to justify it, they scream at  people and tell them to be quiet and read them out. of the movement and call them names and threaten  them. But ultimately, because it's not a winning. message, it cannot win over time. Particularly if  people are allowed or somehow managed to describe. it accurately. And unfortunately for the guardians  of the old system, the old Republican party,

people have been allowed to describe it  accurately, mostly because Elon Musk opened. up X. And you know, when you did that, you get all  kinds of filth and nonsense and lies, but you also. get some truth, actually quite a bit of truth. And  one of the main things that people are telling the. truth about that they didn't tell the truth about  before is that our foreign policy really doesn't. have much to do with what's good for the United  States. And once those words have been uttered, they can't be taken back. and they change people's  minds and the polls reflect the fact that they. have people's views are different. So in the  face of this kind of inevitable change of heart,

collective change of heart in America where both  parties are like wait why are we doing this? The. people who are benefiting from the old arrangement  which only continued because it was maintained. by threats and silence. Those people are going  absolutely bonkers and they have been all week. and they're claiming it's about one thing, the  Holocaust or something like that. But no, really, it's about who controls the Republican party after  Donald Trump. That's what it's really about. So,

ignore the moral posturing. This is a power  struggle as all political parties have from time. to time. And this one just happens to have a lot  of emotionally unbalanced, hysterical people with. no limits who have access to social media. So,  they're scaring the crap out of everybody. But, it's it's really kind of a conventional power  struggle. So who are the players in this? Well, some of them are in the pundit class. The  more ludicrous ones are in the pundit class, but some of them are actual sitting politicians.  And if you were to choose one who symbolizes what.

we're actually debating and the stakes  of this conversation, it would have to. be Lindsey Graham. Lindsey Graham is a senator, a  senior senator from the state of South Carolina, one of the most conservative, reliably Republican  states out of 50. and he has been in Congress. since 1994. So that would be 31 years. And he is  running for yet another term as a US senator. He's. 70 years old. He'd like to serve till he's 77.  And he has the support not simply of the White.

House. He has an endorsement from the president,  but he has more donor support probably than. anyone who's ever run in the history of the United  States. I mean, Lindsey Graham has so much donor. support and donors just as a numerical question  probably represent, you know, a hundth to 1% of. the American population, but have a a great deal  higher proportion of the money. Um, he's the most. popular candidate they've ever backed. He's like  a higher IQ, less grading Nikki Haley, a Ronda. Santis. And so, they'll be backing him. And all  things being equal, he will be reelected. And so.

why does this matter? Well, it matters not because  Lindsey Graham is like a horrible person. I mean, he may be a horrible person. The truth is Lindsey  Graham is actually a very charming person and a. very interesting dinner partner and a fun person  to be with. Hilariously funny. I met him for the. first time. I was his seatmate on a campaign bus  in 1999. He was a member of Congress and we spent.

a couple of weeks sitting next to each other  and by the end I thought to myself, I love this. guy. He's hilarious. Always a joke. Always has a  drink in his hand. like he's a he's genuinely a. cheerful person, probably fun to play golf with.  So, the reason that this is an important race is. not because Lindsey Graham is like Mark Levin, you  know, someone you if you were stuck in an elevator. with him, you'd have to obviously kill yourself  because you couldn't handle. He's not that. You. would enjoy you'd enjoy being stuck in an elevator  with him. The reason it's so important is because. Lindsey Graham is the living symbol of the old  Republican party, the Republican party that did.

a lot, almost as much as the Democratic party  to destroy the United States. And so if he is. reelected next November, that will be a sign  that actually the Democratic system doesn't. work. Lindsey Graham's views are not popular. They  are despised in the state of South Carolina. His. views, if you were to disagregate Lindsey Graham  from what he believes and just pull Republican. primary voters in South Carolina, do you agree  with this? Lindsey Graham would be less popular. than the Democrat because his views are repugnant  to Republican voters and to Trump voters. And.

so if he were to get elected anyway, it would  tell you that the system doesn't respond to the. concerns of voters and therefore the system isn't  working and isn't legitimate because the point of. the system is to respond to those concerns. And  so a lot is at stake. If Lindsey Graham wins, it will be the most dispiriting thing to happen  in American politics in a very, very long time. So if Kla Harris went were to win in the last, you  know, a year ago tonight, it would be horrible.

She'd be a awful president, probably even worse  than Biden, insecure, fragile, weird, dumb. You. can just imagine a nightmare. But at least you  could say, well, she was elected by a party that. kind of agrees with her. You know, Kla Harris got  elected because the Democrats are insane. Okay, what's the excuse if you're a Republican voter, if  you're a Trump voter for electing Lindsey Graham? Hard to think of one. So, just want to spend a  couple of minutes before we go to one of the men.

challenging Lindsey Graham in the Republican  primary next June, Paul Dans, who we're going. to talk to in a minute. We want to go through a  couple of things you should know about Lindsey. Graham. So, if Graham gets reelected, it'll be  because the true Lindsey Graham, his record, his. views, his priorities, his dark impulses are all  lost in the haze of propaganda that surrounds him. and people only know him through the political  ads that, you know, his donors paid for. So,

we think it's important for people to know who  he actually is. We're going to start with a clip. We could do this for like eight hours, but we're  gonna do this for like 20 minutes because we want. to get to the guest. But we're gonna start with  a clip from this past Saturday, I think this past. weekend. And Lindsey Graham was giving a speech  of the Republican Jewish Coalition, I think, in Vegas. And he was one of many speakers who  were getting hysterical and threatening violence. against Republicans who don't agree with them and  jumping up and down and raging about the Nazis,

the Nazis. um you know 80 years after we defeated  them. Um and Lindsey Graham was probably in some. ways less hysterical, but he was the kind of  most important office holder at this event and. he said a couple of things that really reveal  the program precisely. Here is Lindsey Graham. this last weekend. He recognize Jerusalem as  capital of Israel. Why? Because if you got a. problem with that, take it up with God. He's the  guy that did it, not Trump. So, I just want to say.

I feel good about the Republican party. I feel  good about where we're going as a nation. We're. killing all the right people and we're cutting  your taxes. So, there a couple things to notice. about this that really tell you everything you  need to about Instagram. First, he's and we left. the context. He's defending Donald Trump.  He's saying not defending Trump is probably. pretty popular in the room, but he's saying, you  know, remember Trump's like a great president. Why is he great? Well, because he moved the US  embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. What I mean,

okay, you can make a case for it or not, but like  why should I care exactly? It's a purely symbolic. move. It has actual consequences internally in  Israel, but it doesn't even pretend to improve. your life. Graham didn't get up and say, you  know, he made prescription drugs cheaper. He's. going to lower your health insurance, make it  easier for your kids to buy a home. He got the. cities under control. They're now safe. You can  use the parks. He's improving the schools. You.

couldn't send your kids to public school. Now you  can. You can use the emergency rooms again cuz. he's deported 10 million illegal aliens who were  hogging the space, which is where we currently. are. No. The reason you should love Trump is  because he moved the embassy, the US embassy. in a foreign country from one city to another.  Huh? Why does that matter? Well, Lindsey Graham, explain why it matters. Because God commanded it.  Oh. If you don't like that, take it up with God. So God, it turns out, and this may be in one  of the non-cononical books in the scriptures,

God wanted the US State Department to move the  American embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. I mean, it's like kind of a basic tenant of our  faith. It may even be in the catechism. What? And. of course given the venue, no one raised hand  said, "I'm sorry, Lindsey Graham, not a Bible. scholar here." But how do we know that God wanted  the State Department to move an embassy, you know, 80 miles or whatever the distance is from one  city to another? How do we know that's God's.

preference? But Lindsey, this is kind of a tick of  Lindsey Graham. He explained recently that if you. have a problem with in Israel, God will kill you.  And that would include the United States. He said, I'm almost quoting him here, if the United  States abandons Israel, God will abandon the. United States and kill us all. We'll die if we  don't support, as he calls it, Israel. Israel. This is the Mike Huckabe pronunciation, Israel.  Which may be some kind of like dog whistle meant.

to telegraph that like I'm really on your side.  It may be like the Keev rather than Kiev. when you. call it Israel, it's like, "Yeah, I got it. We're  on the same page." But anyway, so the first thing. we learn is the most important fact to know about  Trump, the reason you should love him is because. he supports Israel. Second is God demands whatever  sort of like policy of the moment is God's will.

Lindsey Graham, who like just guessing probably  not a Bible scholar and if he is, he's skipping. over certain parts of the book. Excuse me. Uh, and  the third thing to learn, and this really is the. heart of Lindsey Graham, is that the Republican  party is doing what you voted for us to do, and. that is, and I'm quoting now, cutting your taxes  and killing all the right people. So, that that's.

like that's the perfect distillation. Instagram  is clever. He's hardly a genius. He's not like. a philosopher or anything, but he has summed up  the Republican party that Donald Trump overthrew. more precisely than any person I've ever heard in  my life. Cutting your taxes and killing all the. right people. Cuz that really is the crispest way  to describe the marriage of libertarian economics. and neocon foreign policy, cutting taxes and  killing. And if you think about it, who'd want.

to be associated with that? Not an argument for  higher taxes. Higher taxes can be bad, but cutting. taxes is not an a virtue in itself. The point  is, if people are overburdened by the tax system, if it's hurting them and we're not getting a  lot out of it, if it's growing like, you know, some completely impenetrable democracy that's  hurting the country, which it is, by the way, then of course you want to cut taxes, I guess,  to starve the cancer or whatever. You can make. the argument. But cutting taxes itself is hardly a  virtue. It's a it's a contextual matter. Sometimes.

it is, sometimes it is. It totally depends. But  in Lindsey Graham's simplistic but heartfelt. formulation, cutting taxes is just a positive  good always. And so is killing people. Killing. people. Sum up foreign policy. Killing people.  Killing the right people. No, they got to be the. right people. But killing people. Killing people  is just it's just a good thing. Like it's one of. those things you don't need to describe. It's like  sex with your wife. It's just good. Have you have. you killed someone today? Oh, good. You have Okay,  good. That's how he thinks of it. And if you take.

three steps back, I mean, you're sort of tempted  if you've known Lindsey Graham, like I have for 25. years. You're like, "Ah, it's Lindsey Graham." You  know, he's always saying these provocative things, but if you think about it for a second, like,  you're a sick [ __ ] if you say something like. that, much less if you believe it. Killing people.  Have you ever met anyone who's killed someone? You. You probably have. You may be someone who's taken  a human life. It's a very heavy thing and it's. something that even if you win the fight and walk  away and the other man doesn't, it stays with you.

for life because it's the heaviest thing there is  and it's the most forbidden thing there is. It's. the darkest thing there is. We don't create life  and except under very rare specific circumstances, we're not allowed to extinguish it because we're  not God. And so if you're casually encouraging. other people to kill and if you're gleefully  in front of an audience applauding like seals. bragging about the killing that you are doing,  you know you're not on the team you think you are,

that's really evil. And if that's what your party  amounts to, cutting taxes and killing people, who's for that? I mean, some people are for  it. All the the ghouls in the room were for it. you killing people, okay? But most people,  especially when they have time to think about it, like you're on a plane, you have time to stare out  the window and think about what something means, you're repulsed by that because it's repulsive.  It's the most repulsive thing. And in fact,

a good government, a government that really  cared about its people, would do everything. it possibly could to prevent people with that  attitude like Lindsey Graham from ever holding. power or wielding it over others because they're  monsters. Cheerful monster. Hilarious monster. goodnatured monster. But monster, there's kind of  no way around it. And in a moment where people are. being, you know, deplatformed and censored and  screamed at and called names for their opinions, you know, some of those opinions are good,  some are bad. Okay, we can debate opinions,

but just not we're not debating opinions. We're  just crushing people for having opinions that, you know, we're characterizing a certain way and  calling them bad, denouncing them. Here you have. a guy who's really never denounced by anybody  bragging about killing And all the little ghouls. are applauding. It's amazing moment. Breaking  news. Beam cyber sale is open for early access. to the people who listen to this show, the select  few, their best offer for the year. It lasts for. 48 hours. Listeners of this show get up to 50%  off by using the code Tucker. That means you can.

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or someone who thinks of himself as like kind  of boxed in by the system and unable to vote. for anybody but Republicans, you need to do  whatever you can to make sure that that's not. your party's platform, cutting taxes and killing  people. And you need to make sure that the guy. who's joking about it on stage and beaming with  joy as he talks about murder is not one of your. leaders. You really have to do that for your  own sake and for the sake of your country. Now, are we taking that out of context? Is that just  like something we pulled and he was maybe drunk.

again and it was a joke and we're being unfair and  No, no, not at all. Lindsey Graham of all members. except maybe this the that weird guy from Florida,  Randy Fine, who's like openly endorsing genocide. Lindsey Graham of every member of Congress  can be relied upon at every public event, every photo opportunity, every time you run into  him on the street to be calling for the murder of.

somebody. Killing is the point of Lindsey Graham's  political career, trying to convince the rest of. us to get on board with killing when we won't.  Screaming at us and calling us names and you're. the hater because you're not on board with killing  this or that person. It's all about killing. people. I want to give you a second example. This  is Lindsey Graham who's from the very beginning. been a staunch supporter of really one of the  most brutal dictators, let's just say it out loud,

in Europe in 80 years. And that would be Zalinski,  the unelected dictator of Ukraine, who's basically. devoting half of his life to extinguishing  Christianity in Ukraine. All of us are supposed to. ignore that, but it's actually happening. putting  priests in jail, killing his political opponents, murdering critics. That's happening right now.  Lindsey Graham, of course, loves him because. he's he's doing a lot of killing, killing the  right people, as Lindsay put it. Here's Lindsey. Graham in a conversation with Zalinski. And sorry,  another parenthetical note. Graham and Zilinsky,

both of whom are hardened warriors who run around  in military uniforms talking about how tough they. are. Neither one will ever sit for an interview  that isn't a kiss ass interview. I've made about. a hundred requests to each of them. No. So, they  interview each other. But here's Lindsey Graham. talking to Prime Minister Zalinski about killing.  Watch. Free or die. Free or die. Now you are free. Yes. And we will be. And the Russians are dying.  The best money we've ever spent. Thank you so.

much. The Russians are dying. It's the best money  we've ever spent. Again, just encouraging you to. think about what you're hearing for a second  because all of a sudden we live in a moment. when a lot of people are espousing violence. It's  funny, a year ago, if you would asked a year on. election night, if you would asked a lot of Trump  voters like, "Why are you voting for Trump?" They.

would give positive reasons. I really think that  the American government should serve American. citizens. I believe in America first. But they  would also, I think, say, "I'm really afraid of. the other guys." And two of the things that bother  me most about them is they don't believe in free. speech. They're constantly pushing for censorship.  And their rhetoric is violent. Their rhetoric, they're encouraging violence. They encourage the  BLM riots. They encourage violence all the time. And yet a year later, here you have all these  leading Republicans doing what are they doing? Oh, demanding censorship. Should be fired for  saying that. You shouldn't platform someone,

meaning you shouldn't let them talk. And you  shouldn't be allowed to talk to people we. disagree with. All of a sudden, we're in charge  of who you talk to. That's not totalitarian or. anything. I can choose who you talk to. And  we're going to just openly say that people we. don't like should die. Should die. And here's  Lindsey Graham taking joy in, and I'm quoting, Russians dying. Best money we ever spent. If you  can spend money to make people die, that is money.

well spent. You freak. By the way, it's not, you  know, here are the five generals or 10 generals or. list of people we think are responsible for  war crimes and the dawn boss. Okay. I mean, we could debate whether they are or not. Probably  not, but maybe they are. And you'd say the person. who committed the crime is being punished. But  Lindsey Graham, who has a completely non-western. understanding of justice, is saying because they  are in this group, they must die. So that's the.

distinction. And this is the actual fight. It's  a fight between people who understand justice. the way that Christians understand justice, which  is on an individual basis. We punish the guilty. We punish the person for committing the crime.  We don't punish his kids. People who share the. same last name or live down the street from him or  look like him or are somehow related to him speak.

the same language as him because they didn't do  anything wrong. We don't punish the innocent in. Christianity because we believe in the human soul,  the individual soul. We don't think we're judged. as a group. We think we are judged as individuals.  will stand alone alone before God to account for. what we did not for what our kids did not for what  our grandparents did not for what our neighbors. did or our countrymen did or our leaders did but  for what we did and that is the basis of western. justice and it's being abandoned and without a  fight because people don't understand what is.

happening but make no mistake the attitude that  you just heard from Lindsey Graham is an eastern. understanding a non-Christian understanding of  justice the Russians what does that What? What? Russians? Just Russians? They're dying. Best money  we ever spent. So, you're watching two things. You're watching someone who's embraced collective  punishment as Israel has, as most of the world. has. By the way, it's not just Israel and it's  not just Lindsey Graham. It's most countries at.

most times in history believed in collective  punishment and collective reward. You're the. favored group. You're the totis and you get a  better deal or whatever. You're the chosen people. in whatever society or religion, but you're the  brahinss, you get because of your DNA a better. deal. The diversity, DEI, affirmative action,  they're all species of the same kind of thinking, which is collective thinking, which denies the  reality of the individual human soul and it is.

therefore anti-Christian. And the entire West  was set up as a bull work against that kind of. thinking. And that's why it succeeded and that's  why it's been free and prosperous and happy. And. people like Lindsey Graham don't acknowledge  that and instead they worship death. And he has. as noted a long career of doing this. This is not  a conservative principle. This is not a Christian.

principle. This is a left-wing atheist agnostic  at best principle. This is the I am God. I'll. kill whom I want when I want principle. And it's  been on display his whole life. On January 6th, Lindsey Graham said to a Capitol Hill police  officer, "You guys have guns. Why don't you. shoot them all in the head? I wish you had shoot  them all in the head. These aren't Russians. These.

are Americans. These are like 60-year-old ladies  with pocket constitutions in their handbags and. diabetes and bad knees who thought their election  was stolen from them because they believe in the. system. And so they marched on the capital. They  didn't know at the time that there were like 230. FBI whatever they were agents, provocators, that  the whole thing was managed. Some of us sensed. that immediately. Lindsey Graham could find out.  Maybe he has. He doesn't care. Those people in. some cases lured into this trap, allowed into the  capital by security. That's on videotape. We're.

not guessing. Those people should be executed  because what? They made him scared and he was. scared on 911. Talk to his colleagues. I have.  Lindsey Graham was terrified. Lindsey Graham is a. physical coward. Of course he is. All the chicken  hawks are. It's why they don't fight the wars. But they're also victims in this. When you call  for the deaths of others, when you regard other.

people's lives as meaningless, when you think  it's the best use of federal tax dollars to murder. them, as he does, you become more afraid for your  own life. It's always true. Dictators are always. paranoid and afraid. They're never brave ever.  And Lindsey Graham is no different. Shoot them. in the face. So the idea that Lindsey Graham is  a conservative with the caveat that like who even.

knows what a conservative is now? Conservative. Is  Mark Levin a conservative? Is Dave Rubin, whoever. that is, is he conservative? Okay, I guess. I  mean, whatever. But if those are the people, Ted Cruz, conservative, I don't take a close look  at Ted Cruz's life. What's conservative about. it? Let's take a close look at Lindsey Graham's  life. Is that conservative? And what what's the. reference point for that? What do you even mean?  People like that have a completely different set.

of values on the deepest level. Not on a surface  level. We're not arguing here about tax rates, you. know, and whether we should allow reimpportation  prescription drugs. I mean, this is not a policy. debate. This is a debate that flows from deepest  level convictions, from foundational beliefs, and that is evident in the way that people  live. If I took a microscope to your life, what would I find? And in the case of almost every  single wararmonger, you find chaos and sadness and.

alienation and weird behavior and abusiveness  and alcoholism. It's like they're a disaster. And so they're projecting outward the hate that  they feel on in some cases entire populations. and increasingly on the American population on  the American population. So when you think of. like a conservative as you know buttoned down  and has his act together is committed to his.

family and his grandchildren, it's like this is  not that conservative. So are they conserv who. knows what they are? But the point is Lindsey  Graham has sided with the Democratic Party from. his earliest days in the Congress. I mean, this  is literally the guy who convinced John McCain. to turn over the ridiculous Russia Gate, the  original Russia Gate private investigator/intel. agency files about Donald Trump, the peape of  the rest, to turn that over to the FBI if it.

was real. Lindsey Graham believed that the 2020  election or the 2016 election was controlled by. Russia. There was never any evidence for that at  all. But he believed it. He said it. He believed. Trump was a Russian agent. How did he wind up  in the inner circle? I mean, God knows what's. actually going on. But the point is, if that's  the future of the Republican party, it's going. to be a very small party. And it's going to be  a small party where like the worst people in the.

world are all like clustered together jockniffing  yelling at each other. Who who knows what they. do. But if you wonder like who Lindsey Graham  actually is, what his gut instincts are, take a. look at his first reaction to the death of George  Floyd. And in case you don't remember that story, it was Memorial Day 2020. this convicted armed  robber, home invader, drug addict former porn star. tries to pass a counterfeit bill in a convenience  store like this poor convenience store owners in.

Minneapolis and gets arrested for it and then  promptly dies of a drug OD. That was all pretty. obvious from day one actually. But that wasn't  Lindsey Graham's view at all. Here's what Lindsey. Graham said about George Floyd. The topic for the  country is what to do after the death of Mr. Floyd. and what does the death of Mr. Floyd mean? Well,  it's a long overdue wakeup call to the country. that there are too many of these cases where uh  African-American men die in police custody under.

fairly brutal circumstances. Mr. Floyd's case is  outrageous on its face, but I think it speaks to. a broader issue. I think this committee has the  potential to reinforce things in society that. will lead to better policing. And hopefully one  day if you're a young black man and the cops pull. up behind you, you'll be wondering if you were  going too fast rather than you're going to get. beat up. I mean like h it is liberal white women  like Lindsey Graham who are the real problem. I.

mean here he is. What's his first instinct? By  the way, that's June of 2020. That's like days. after it happened. Congressional hearing. Kla  Harris is looking like as a fake black person. I'm really really concerned about what you're  saying Lindsey Graham but he's saying exactly the. same thing she would say exactly the same what's  what's the core assumption that everything you. saw at NBC News is true the story that you were  fed was absolutely true and it was a cop problem.

wasn't George Floyd's George Floyd had nothing  to do with it he was just like some random black. guy who got pulled off the street for being  black and executed thank god on camera so the. rest of us saw it but for being black and this is  like endemic in our society. It's like half like. every other black person in America is just like  murdered by the cops. He's damn white cops making. $50,000 a year. They have all the power. Yeah.  So that was his gut reaction. He bought the.

whole thing and there he is lecturing cops.  Really the problem is we need better policing. in this country. Really? And of course none of  that turned out to be true. And you know it was. obvious to some of us on like day one that this  was BS. It was a manufactured crisis designed to. affect broad social change. It was a revolution  and it was and it did affect broad social change. and hundreds of thousands of Americans have died  of crime or drug ODS ever since because of the. so-called reforms that people like Lindsey Graham  screamed about, screeched about. He and the other.

liberal white ladies demanded that we re-educate  the police cuz it's their fault. Imagine having. that response. You know who else had the response?  Nikki Haley had the response. Nikki Haley, also. from South Carolina, also a crazy neocon. First  thing she said, "The riots happening are good. for America. We need to watch what's happening and  feel the pain cuz we deserve it. It's our fault.". Really? When a convicted armed robber tries to  pass a counterfeit bill at some convenience store.

and then dies of a fentinel OD? It's our fault.  Tell me how that works. But no one challenged her. No one challenged him. They immediately joined  the chorus of the worst people in the world whose. first instinct was to blame the people who did  nothing wrong. In this case, the cops. And the. consequences were terrible for American society.  No one ever called them to account for it. Now, why did they do that? Partly because all the  ladies in a certain income class or many of.

them have just like the same gut reactions and  it's resentment toward men and it's self-hatred. and it's guilt and the desire to seem virtuous  in public etc etc etc. Books have been written. about this though not enough but really it has to  fact they don't care what happens to the United. States because it's not really that relevant  because that's not their goal. Their goal isn't. to improve the United States, which is why they  haven't, not even a little bit. Their goal is. to be power players in global politics because it  makes them feel strong, to kill people because you.

get a real electric charge from that. And to serve  the interests of Israel. Oh, it's an anti-semitic. slur. No, it's what they say out loud all the  time. Here's Lindsey Graham. This an amazing clip. I I don't No one even noticed this. Watch this.  This is Lindsey Graham describing his personal. travel schedule and how often he's in Israel.  Watch this. Uh, well, this is my fifth visit, I think, since October the 7th. I'm here for a  reason, to show support to you, my good friend,

the elected leader of the state of Israel. I'm  here also to take on and I will talk about this. tomorrow a form of blood liel in 2024 that  the state of Israel is using starvation as. a weapon of war. It's like an infomercial. It's  like a badly shot infomercial for like prostate. health cures or something. Super beats or like  stand there. Well, Dr. So and so, you know,

it's like it's unbelievable. He is doing PR  for a foreign country. And even Netanyahu, the he's a prime minister of another country, not  our country, another country, looks a little bit. embarrassed. Like, who is this this weird kind  of fawning guy? Is he going to touch my chest. as I'm uncomfortable? You can feel that. But  the whole point of Lindsey Graham being there, cuz he tells us it's the point, is to defend  Israel from unfair criticism on the internet. Hm. Is that his job as a US senator to be unpaid?  And we're guessing about the unpaid part,

but I do sense he'd do it for free to be  a PR shill for a foreign prime minister, not even really the nation, another politician  who's not an American. What the hell is going on? And then he just admits out loud, this is my fifth  trip to Israel since October 7th. Fifth trip. Huh? So this was in March. So that's 5 months after  October 7th. This is in March of 2024. October.

7th was 2023. So 5 months, five trips to Israel.  That's one trip to Israel a month. Huh? Is there. any chance that Lindsey Graham has been in the  I don't know, state capital of South Carolina, Colombia, once a month during that time?  No, there's no chance. In fact, he hasn't. By the way, Lindsey Graham was that same year  in Ukraine more often than he was in Columbia,

South Carolina. And what's he doing there this  time? Well, he tells us he is there to refute the. blood liel. It's exactly not exactly what that is,  but something to do with like anti-semitism or it. means you hate the Jews or you're defending the  Holocaust or something horrible. You're a Nazi. Something like totally beyond the pale. And the  blood liel is that Israel is using starvation as. a weapon of war. Now, who would say that? Does  seem like a kind of a tough criticism. Well, let's see. Israeli cabinet ministers Smoocher  and Smootrich and Ben Gavir have both said that.

out loud. And their cabinet members in the current  government and they have said, "Yeah, starve them. out. Starve them out. Kill them." I mean, they're  all the same. They're Palestinians. Their their. crime is their genetics. Their blood is tainted.  We have magic blood. They have tainted blood. God loves us, hates them. And when they die, it's  just a virtuous thing because they're not human.

There's no doubt always and everywhere that  that kind of thinking, thinking about other. people in terms of the group into which they  were born, rather than in terms of what they do, what they're like as individuals, that that kind  of thinking leads to mass killing, genocide every. single time. And not just in Germany in the ' 40s  though it did lead to genocide there but also in. the Ottoman Empire in 1918 and also in Rwanda in  1994 and actually throughout history. When people.

start thinking of other people not as people but  as components of some larger whole whose value is. determined by their blood, you will inevitably  wind up killing all of them if you can because. they're not really people. And you will also wind  up saying out loud that it's okay to starve their. children to death as they have said repeatedly.  And not just some random guy in the comments. section on the Jerusalem Post, but at least two  current cabinet members of the current government.

But Lindsey Graham is telling us that's a blood  liel. Why are you telling me that I have internet. access? Why are you saying that? because you're  a liar and nothing you say is true except what. you say about yourself and that's that you love  another country more than you love your own and. you love killing more than you love living and  that's enough to know you can't be a leader in.

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gentlemen, Paul Dance, I'm grateful you're here.  My pleasure. Thank you. And I'm grateful that. you're running against Lindsey Graham, not just as  a protest candidate or some, you know, 80-year-old. I'm fed up guy, but as someone who understands the  policies, who's been involved in making policy, and who has a realistic chance of beating Lindsey  Graham. And I just want to say out loud yet again, my motives are not personal. I've always  liked Lindsey Graham, but I think he's.

very obviously evil. And if he is the face of the  Republican party, normal people can't support it, including me. So, it's so important to send the  statement that we are not for killing of innocence. or blood lust or whatever weird demonic trip  Lindsay is on. Um, and I so I'm just I'm really. praying for your victory. So, how did you decide,  let's just start at the end. How did you decide. to run against Lindsey Graham? Well, I'm original  MAGA. You know, I kind of go back to even H Ross.

Perau days and we'll get in a little bit about  how I You supported Perau. Oh, I was a Perau. Per is my first vote for president. Uh I came from  a um kind of a traditional ethnic Catholic family, working class. My parents were the first to um you  go to college, first actually speak English. Um my. my siblings were the first. They my parents spoke  u Spanish and French at their households. Um, but you know, my why am I running ultimately  against Lindsay is for God, family, country. I.

don't think we have a a choice at this stage. This  is about the future of the movement. Whether MAGA, America first lives or dies, we have to start  thinking post Trump and and this is going to be. the fight for the future of this country. I've  I've I've I've stand on the shoulder of giants. My family's tradition, coming here as immigrants,  living the American dream, building, working for. it, fighting for it, dying for it, and uh I can't  sit on the sidelines with all the gifts, you know, the Lord has has given me at this point in time.  Um I'm a dad of four now to be five. And um Well,

you have a fifth child on that. I do. It's quite  incredible. My wife is 22 weeks pregnant. And um. it's a blessing from God. You know, this is it's  what happens when two folks try to work from home. Is that what I wish I had five? I No, my wife's a  famous ballerina and um so she's you can imagine. she does her workouts at home and everything like  that, but I I've been very supportive of her of.

her business and and I was, you know, working  in the trenches, if you will, for the last five, seven years really with the Trump admin.  I I was the architect of project 2025 and. um you know right now this is I I believe God has  a plan for us all and this is a calling but it's. it's also that I have the life experience. We I  cannot sit back and watch somebody like Lindsey. Graham represent our state. Um I live God family  country and when you live those values that's.

how you can actually happen make them happen in  Washington. Well, that's exactly right. Cuz it's. sincere because you're defending your religious  faith, your family, and your nation. It's not. theoretical. It's not an ideology. It's not a  personal fetish, which I think in his case it is. If I see one more homoerotic picture of Lindsay  with Ukrainian soldiers, I'm just I'm I don't know. what I'm going to do. And I'm not attacking, you  know, or attacking gays or anything like that, but. like this is just a this is a oneman sick fetish  being imposed on a nation of 350 million. And I'm.

just sick of it. But it's one thing to oppose  that. I'm not running against Lindsey Graham. Like, how did you actually decide to put it on  the line and start a a Senate campaign? Well, like I say, I I was a Trump guy before Trump  knew he was running. I I I um and we can talk. more about my family's bio because I feel that  that informs so much of who I am. Yeah. But, uh, you know, I I was hoping Trump Trump won it ran  in 2012. And, um, I'm one of these guys who was a,

uh, kind of curious about the birthplace of  a former president, if you will, which Trump. was asking all those questions. I remember him  going up to Vermont to uh, New Hampshire here, and I thought he was going to announce um, and  famously he called on for the birth certificate. But um you know Trump was a uh you saw Trump even  then in 2011 12 as a potential political leader.

Absolutely. You know my my dad's family came  up from a cold water flat in New York City and. uh you know my grandparents built that city. They  were um immigr my my they were born in the US but. their their parents weren't. and to see that city  grow, you know, uh my grandfather was at sea for. 40 years as a as a marine, a merchant marine,  and and um my grandmother was an interpreter. She spoke eight languages and in in the city, but  the malaise that happened in the 1970s, they never.

thought would change. And then it did change with  Rudy Giuliani and Trump and this belief that we. could rebuild in America. And so I knew of Trump  long before that just from hearing the stories. of my grandparents about, you know, facing being  uh mugged on the subway and all the how the city. is slid down and finally people were digging out  New York. And he's he's famous for the Wman rink. there. Yes. But it's em emblematic of somebody  who basically comes in and reorders the system.

and who kind of um is a strong man in a way as a  mayor or somebody who can actually come in and get. things done when bureaucrats are running around  doing nothing. Exactly. That's it's funny that you. you saw that so early. I didn't at all. And when  Trump called me in 2015 to say he was running, I I knew him, of course. I always liked him,  but I said um you know that's so I laughed at. him because I didn't get it at all and I didn't  take it seriously at all. I mean I soon changed.

my views but I just it's interesting that you  saw it so early. Well, like I say, you know, we we graduated my um you know, if we can go  back to to kind of how I evolved as as to be. like a Republican. Um my family uh Dan is Spanish  is GGO and my um grandparents um were living down. in a cold water flat that means there's no hot  water. This isn't a tenement that they tore down. They moved my family into housing projects. Um and  ultimately my dad was was a only child but he was.

you can think of it almost as a dookie house or a  guy who was raised by his uh maternal grandmother. because everyone was working. She was a a cleaning  lady. um and he made it to uh military school, graduated college at 19 and then Columbia medical  school at 23. So he became like a leading man in. medicine. He was um in the Barry plan uh which is  the doctor's draft back in the 60s. Um they needed.

doctors for the military. So my dad was drafted  into that and did his Vietnam service um in. the NIH. Um but this was you know at the time my  grandfather was uh at sea and um this is when New. York was really its top merkantile um existence  where there were actually factories in New York. City. Um he was later on on the Merman run which  is the famous um convoys in the North Atlantic. and grandpa was in the engine room which um you  know this is if you want a definition of what a.

man is because I know our culture struggles to  define a woman but you can imagine somebody like. Popeye. I think my grandparents literally looked  like Popey and olive oil, but um he literally had. a uh tattoo on his forearm. But these were the  people who were just brave and did it, you know, and uh he he went to to uh see in World War II,  you know, Nazi torpedo sunk in his boat. These. guys when they came home, the merchant marines,  these were hard scrabble people. They didn't even.

get veterans benefits. So my family tradition is  kind of like giving everything for this country. and getting kicked in the teeth for it and then  coming and loving it even more. So um ultimately. they did give veterans benefits in 1989 and I  believe that uh Goldwater Barry Goldwater was one. of the chief champions of this. So my grandparents  became Goldwater conservatives and really that's. how they they evolved to be Reaganites. So  they were kind of these hard hat outer burrow.

New Yorkers who who moved from, you know, slum  tenementss to public housing and then ultimately. to a little piece of the rock up in the Bronx. So  that's my dad's side of the family. And you know, my mom's side is even more, you know, maybe not  more patriotic, but the same sort of crew that. came from workingclass stock. They were um French  Canadian immigrants. Um my uh grandfather was one. of 22. That's kind of I guess runs in our blood.  Um but he my mom uh was the youngest of eight in a.

town called Wooden Socket. Uh they worked in the  textile Rhode Island. Wakeet, Rhode Island. Um. textile mill workers, right? And these guys were  the mechanical geniuses. Um five of her brothers. went off fought World War II. Their first language  was was French. So they actually went behind enemy. lines. They cut the supply lines. They landed on  D-Day and these were the simple guys who kind of. came back to the machine machine shops and stuff  uh here to only see the factory town move abroad.

in um in the 1990s. The story of all New England,  the French, you know, the the Arcadians coming. down to staff the factories and then just getting  marooned. Yeah. It's it's the story of all over. this country, you know, and we had moved around.  Like I say, my dad was in the military. I know. Lindsay's team likes to tag me as a New Englander,  but uh I lived in Boston for all two months when I. was a baby. Um but my dad was on orders from the  military. So, you know, it's kind of like he's a.

Vietnam vet and and we're a military family moving  around. We we moved to Colorado in the early 70s. and this was posth hippie Colorado and dad wasn't  quite a social justice warrior but it was a little. closer to kind of Archie Bunker dynamic where he  they were you know kind of questioning the Vietnam. War. um dad had done his service but there wasn't  something sitting right about it and um ultimately.

he stood up the first migrant health clinic in and  kind of because his first language was Spanish. So. um as well as like VD walk-in clinics these were  my dad revolutionized a lot of how medical care. is given that we take for granted. Um in the old  days you only had a primary care physician. Yeah. So we came east in the in uh the bsentennial year  in 1976 and that was kind of my wonder years and I. think that's what really built the whole patriotic  feeling cuz you know these were all I knew were.

these great quiet men and women who sacrificed  for the country and you know living in the in the. uh footsteps of Mount Vernon. came east. I was  a health policy fellow on on the hill and got a. taste of kind of uh public policy and um we got to  go around Washington in in the bsentennial year. My parents were uh my mom was um uh chemist she  and he and my father were introduced by the parish.

priest in 1966 in in Washington. So they were  Kennedy-esque. They were the people who came to. Washington and were not asking what their country  could do for them but what they could do for their. country. So literally I'm I'm the spawn of two NIH  scientists and um very patriotic background. We. um you know learned uh back in those days  we used to sing songs uh patriotic songs. in second grade and third grade and and uh kind  of came up through that. Um, dad ultimately got.

uh recruited to John's Hopkins where he stood  up the first ethics and medicine course. So, dad and mom, we were very uh uh faithful Catholics  and uh always going to church. I was an alter boy. after all. Um but that's how we kind of grew up. K  through 12 public schools. My mom went and worked. in the underprivileged schools in Baltimore and  um I went to MIT. I was recruited to go to MIT and.

and there I kind of encountered the first taste of  globalism and what was happening and this kind of. struggle to hold on to your working class value  roots in your family in the face of kind of what. they're telling you of a more global picture and  and that's that rubbed me the wrong way and that's. how I how I got to HR. You never fell for it at  all. No, I didn't. I you know I think it was I was. blessed with great parents. You know, I I I really  respected mom and dad and and ultimately I think.

when you look at a politician, you want to you  should have a right to value that person. You say. that person could be a role model. I struggle in  life, but I was blessed with the right direction. early on. And I know a lot of people haven't been  in those situations, have to overcome things. I. certainly overcame a lot is in my childhood as  well. Um but you know you h the grounding that. you get and and those um values carry you for the  rest of your life. And um I didn't fall for it.

Uh and I saw you know my twin brother identical  twin Tom um went to Brown. So he's going to Brown. at the same time I'm going at MIT and I'm hearing  about this kind of uh this where they incubated. cultural Marxism. Okay. My two sisters both went  to Princeton. So we were like this kind of family. of nerds, right? That my dad was a professor, my  mom was a public school teacher, and we were all. about education, you know, gifted and talented,  always always striving. Um, but we began to get.

this dosage of of cultural Marxism. Um, what was  interesting though was we came up at the end of. kind of the cold war period. So in public schools  in Baltimore County, they actually were teaching. Russian and my three siblings learned were Russian  from probably a retired CIA agent for sure that. they were um but we they were the last off the  production line of kind of um you know red-blooded.

Americans who could speak Russian and and you know  my parents had this uh just a great ability to in. in inculcate us with values and arts and my mom  was a pianist. she she turned down a scholarship. to Eastman School of Music to go to college  at at Trinity in Washington first on the full. scholarship. But so that's I never fell for it.  Um and I felt quite the opposite. I I I pursued.

economics at MIT and and then ultimately a master  in in urban planning and that's where uh I became. a if you will a community organizer later on Obama  was the community organizer and chief but that's. where they were training also starting a lot of  this kind of um indigenous people work and kind of. uh questioning of American society uh from a  social organizing sort of point of view but to. back racted economics. This is um at MIT in  the early 90s was when they were putting up.

the theoretical basis for globalism and I remember  you know MIT economics is probably the top in the. world. That's where all the Nobel hang their  hat. And my my macro econ professor Solo was. literally receiving the e the um uh the award  that that year in 91 I believe it was or 90 and. uh he was beginning to put the theoretical  underpinnings for if we moved production out.

of the United States but as long as the return  to capital came back to United States citizens, we would be all set. And what they never factored  in is what what they called externalities, right? And the externalities are the mom and pops  and all the families that have built their entire. life around this factory town that have all  their equity in that in that house that have. their social. The idea was you could just move  and if you make it easy for capital to move,

then human beings will move and you'll have a  much more efficient system and you'll take out. all the friction and everything will be great.  We'll all be richer and happier. Yeah. Well, it was obvious immediate because Gary, Indiana had  already happened. Detroit had already happened. So, we Baltimore had already happened. The steel  mill closed in Baltimore. So, it's like you knew. what would happen if we took the manufacturing out  because it had happened. They didn't care at all. Well, I used to take the train up from Baltimore  to MIT. And that's how I I talked about seeing the. passing scenery of these derelct factories. And  I'm the guy who's staring out the window the whole.

time imagining going, "What's happening here?"  And I'm knowing about my own family. you know, my my uncles, they they've fearlessly fought  World War II. They came back and, you know, they the the mill closed and the mill moved and  now he's a literally a May tag repairman and. um you know, the kids are getting into alcohol  and drugs and and this and you can kind of see it. happening in real time, which is kind of weird  for circa 1990 anyone to be trying to expand.

the the disaster that led to the pro campaign.  ultimately led to two Trump presidencies. Like. we knew and I I lived here. We're the same  age. I remember very well thinking, "Well, that doesn't work. If it worked, then what is the  explanation for Gary Indiana?" Yeah. Well, I mean, the giant sucking sound from the south when  when he put that in place, uh, H Ros Perau did, and basically talked about NAFTA and the effect of  moving all these factories over over the border.

um he was precient about it and to be sure it  you know we were we were coming out of this. peace dividend. Clinton had just come up to be  president and we're talking about base closures. and realignments and uh this is kind of like we  had a great opportunity to make this the country. of milk and honey. Like you have to back up and  say why are we not overflowing here? Why is why. do we live in in a in a society where people are  literally knuckle dragging right now with fentinol.

in Philadelphia and walking around like how could  this be after we fought those wars and invested. all that blood and treasure. Yeah, I thought we  won. We did. You would have thought, right? Um. but you know the struggle the fight never ends.  And that's the point of why I'm running that we. need to um there's just so much shared sacrifice  over 250 years from not only my ancestors but. pretty much everyone listening to this they  have a story some route back longer. My wife's.

family came 300 years ago and they were you know  farmers in eastern North Carolina and and kind of. hard scrabble life. if you want to listen to the  stories of my mother-in-law talk about the war. and like the deprivation after the Civil War even.  Um, but you know, it's it's to forget all that in. a in a generation or two is is absurd. And and I  have the ability now that I've I've worked on the. front lines. I was a top attorney in Manhattan.  Um, I' I've facing off with the progressives. I.

understand how they think. And then I went into  government and was able to re reinvent it in a way. that now has allowed President Trump to come out,  you know, as gang busters. That's that's why I'm. standing up. As important as it is, politics  is not the answer to this country's or man's. greatest problem. The only solution is Jesus.  Sorry, that's true. At its core, politics is a. process of critiquing other people and getting  them to change. Christianity is the opposite.

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versus Clinton or later normal people versus  Obama. you didn't really understand or I didn't. understand that there were different kinds of  Republicans and some of them were actually aligned. with the Democrats secretly Lindsay being the most  obvious and others were really for the country and. for fixing the country. I didn't get that. You  clearly did if you're supporting. So tell me why. you supported Perau for example in '92 his first  run. Well you know I I think it was my parents.

were uh this kind of you know push and pull with  with Reagan. I mean, to your credit, you guys saw. Reagan early on, and my grandparents saw Reagan  early on. I I was uh John Anderson, if you will, if you want to really go back in fourth grade, we  had the uh you know, the we did our mock debates. and I was um there was Reagan and and there was  um Carter and and I was John Anderson in that. So, my neighborhood. No kidding. So, I guess it  was the independent streak was early on in me.

Um and you know it was really searching for the  values that that uh I was never part of anyone's. club. Okay. So uh I you know we we had my dad was  in academic medicine. We weren't wealthy but we. did well enough and um but we were public schools  and and I you know I was a nerd basically. I I had. uh glasses. I had head gear if anybody remembers  that. I had I had a tough time. I had dyslexia and. um headgear and dyslexia. Oh yeah. I had it  all. Can you explain what for those who are,

you know, not 56 what headgear is? Well, that was  an orthodontic thing where um Yeah, it sure was. It was also an aesthetic thing. Yeah. I mean, you  know, growing up in in the 80s was a magical time. really and I wouldn't trade it for the world and  I think there's a lot um you know, I even talk. about going back to the future now, but uh yeah,  it was a little difficult junior high, but I was, you know, nurtured by my parents. So it was um you  know not to linger but on headgear for those who.

don't know there were like wires that went like  around the back of your neck on your teeth, right? Oh yeah. No, this was a a um kind of a passage  of of adolescence, you know, and but it's pretty. it was extreme orthodontra was like it was the  orthodontic equivalent of like the halo you get. when you break your neck. It's like Yeah. I mean  it it was not um flattering but uh makes a tough. man though over time. No. Sure. Sure. you know, I  ultimately became an all-American lacrosse player.

You know, this is like we we had this nurturing.  I mean, the the guys who ran our our school system. were the Korean War vets. So, um I really credit  them in this kind of cold war Baltimore upbringing. where um they were like, you know, weak American  teenagers. I remember my gym coach there in in in. junior high talking about like, you know, we had  to do push-ups and we had, you know, you know, it was like the showering and and going out there  and playing football and and just kind of like.

stuff nowadays people would be like, "No, that  doesn't work." But they would take wrestling and. they'd be like, "You and you wrestle now in the  in the center of the thing." And it was that was. kind of what we were growing up with. But the um  my principal there in public school was this quiet. man um in terms of humble a war hero. He literally  didn't have use of his arm but he was Dr. Kadel. would say you know he saluted excellence. His  entire thing was at Delaney we do things just a. little bit better and he'd get on the internet  on the intercom and basically salute um every.

time a student really excelled. So he it was it  was merit based. It was all about excellence. It. was always about pushing yourself just a little  bit harder. And that's what um I came up with. and and that's the sort of values I think that  built our country and we need them back. Okay. So but to be fair to Lindsay, if you were to ask  Lindsay what makes you qualified to be a senator,

he would say, well fundamentally I'm patriotic.  I love this country. I'm from a patriotic family. I believe in the same values that founded this  country. Like he would say the same. I think. any politician would say the same on certainly in  the Republican party. But what is it about Lindsay. that gives you the impression he's not telling  the truth about that? Well, look, he has a 32-year. record. He's actually elected in 1994. So, he had  Oh, was he class 94? Wow. Yeah. He had uh four. full terms in the House and now he's done four  full terms in the Senate. And so let's like break.

down his record here. When he came to Washington,  it was $5 trillion. Now it's $ 38 trillion. So. his entire time has been deficit spending without  any regard for this death debt. He also, you know, he has marked with these endless wars. Everything  he's supported from, you know, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, you name it, he wants to invade it  and bomb it. Um and then just this last couple.

of weeks obviously Venezuela and and Iran before  that. So uh this this notion of patriotism for him. only runs towards kinetic fighting abroad for and  then we have to ask what is the purpose of that? Because every time we extend ourselves abroad  at you know we are necessarily diminishing our. ability to build build this city on the hill back  home. and and he's never, you know, championed any.

of these things. Like, uh, here I have this life  experience where my parents were NIH scientists. I. like I look, I I was at my mother's deathbed when  she died of cancer, breast cancer at 65, you know, and I'll never use the term um death throws when  you've actually seen your mom pass. Uh, but why do. we still have breast cancer? Why do we sell $300  billion dollars to Ukraine? Why? why, you know, and I and likewise with my dad, like uh great man  of modern medicine at Hopkins. Um I had to say.

goodbye to dad in the moon suit, you know, with CO  in in uh February 2021. This is right after Trump. left office, but you know, they were the whole  uh CO thing was just so ridiculously forced on us. and we need to get to the bottom of that. So, um,  but you know, I I walked in there on day three and. they said, "You could say goodbye to your dad for  like 15 minutes." And then, um, I go, "Well, he.

doesn't really have CO. Could you test him?" And,  you know, they refused to test him. They kept, you. know, those tests didn't really work after fact.  And they told us all all this transmissibility. lies. But, uh, you know, that ultimately expired  seven on day seven. And they're like, "Well, you can use a a um, you know, a laptop if you  want to join him or whatever." So, it's, you know, I've suffered a lot of this personally where I  I feel like we need that fire in the belly to. get up there and use to to um use this perch in  in Congress, in the Senate to really drill down.

on these people and get Americans answers what  happened. Do you see Lindsay as like an effective. voice in any of these issues, the ones that matter  to Americans? Not at all. No, I think he's quite. the opposite. He's run interference for the deep  state. I I like to call him deep state Lindsay. because if you trace back um look if Lindsay had  his way there never would have been a Trump and. and we can't be gaslit to forget all this. He  was the one of the most viferous uh attackers.

on Trump early on. He said Trump uh it would be  the worst nominee in the history of the Republican. party. If you want to make America great again,  tell Donald Trump to go to hell. And you know, he voted for the CIA stoogge uh Evan McMuffin.  Evan McMullen. Like he didn't even vote for Trump, guys. And then what happened? He voted for Evan  McMuffin. Yes. Did he admit that? Yes, he he. probably admitted it. You know, this is a guy who  is Evan McMuffin was like a literally connected to.

the CIA. And Mindy Finn or whoever that woman  he ran with. We can't forget history. I mean, I we shouldn't forget CO. We can't forget 911,  but you can't forget what Lindsey Graham's been. about. He did not change his stripes. This guy  is a vehement shape-shifting anti-Trumper. Uh. in 17 when we had both houses of Congress and the  presidency, and remember the the seminal promise. was to build the wall, what did this guy do? Uh he  went and reinforced that bogus narrative that the.

Russians had hacked the election. He literally had  subcommittee hearings where he said the purpose of. this hearing is to reinforce uh that the Russians  had um interfered with the election and that had. the point of carrying water for the Democrats to  delegitimize Trump. So instead of building a wall, which now fast forward 10 years later, there's  20 million, you know, invaders in this country,

this is how this guy used his seat in Congress  to actually delegitimize it to basically support. Rey. He he voted for Rey. He he voted for Comey.  Um when the president threatened to fire Mueller, he threatened the president. And every every  option that he ever had to do any oversight on. this kind of spying mechanism kind of deep state,  he always abstained. So uh you know even you see a. great thing where he was chairman of the judiciary  committee in uh in 19 and 20 and Maria Baroma was.

um asking repeatedly when are you going to  issue subpoenas when are you going to get to the. bottom of this and he said you know I will send a  strongly worded letter when uh they're wrapped on. their investigation when so it never happened  and you know this is a guy who's basically. um running interference for the other side.  Well, he is. Pure Talk customers are proud of.

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day and there was Lindsay sitting in a booth with  James Murdoch who was Rubert Murdoch's son, very. left-wing son, vehemently anti-Trump, spent a ton  of millions of dollars against Trump, you know, huge donor of the ADL, like really really a dark  figure. And there was Lindsay drunk by the way, I don't think, you know, that uncommon for him  to yapping away laughing with James Murdoch. And I was like, holy smokes. And I work for the  Murdoch. So like I know who James Murdoch is. He hates me. And there's Lindsay like clearly  plotting with him. And then Lindsay sees me.

and you know he's very friendly I will say and he  comes up and he's like all like drunkenly talking. to me but like wow you're eating with James  Murdoch like he is the deep stater. There's. no question. Well I I mean I think when he tried  to stop Trump the first time and and then he was. you know beholden to John McCain. When John  McCain died, that's when he flipped and he. changed tactics and it was like he was going  to literally grab his golf bag and try to cozy.

up to the president. And he saw 2020 coming.  Look, the whole state hates Lindsay. I mean, he's he's been booed in his own hometown for 6  minutes straight. He won't get on the stage with. President Trump because he knows he'll face this  booing. They literally turned their backs on him. Um, but he he knew that everyone in South Carolina  was rabid Trump and that was going to be the only. way for him to reinvent himself. But so how  does he keep getting reelected? Well, you know,

in in 2020, I think it was a fluke. I think it was  undercover of CO and you know that the point was. uh that we we had there was no viable challenger.  There is a machine in South Carolina, you know, and I'm running against the machine. I've never  been part of anyone's club and that probably. goes back to the headgear and the glasses but  you know I'm an outsider and I and I attack. um but you know there is serious money in  involved and you have to be donors like Lindsay.

do they play a role in this? Uh yes I  mean it's it's incredible that I'm here. to wrestle this Senate seat back to the people  of South Carolina. So the donor shouldn't be. totally in charge of the country. Is that what  you're saying? That's my proposition. Look, I it's extraordinary that he got reelected in 20.  And you know, in short order, he was turning his. back right on Trump. He famously, you know, in  on July on January 6th, he incredulously said.

um to the Capitol police, we gave you guns. Why  didn't you shoot more of those people in the head? This is a guy who um you know not with he gave you  guns. Why didn't you shoot more pe? And I'm really. trying not to be vicious or use slurs against  Lindsay. He certainly used them against me, but I want to be I want to be Christian. I  don't want to do that. But boy, it's tempting. when you hear that because that is so evil. Why  didn't you shoot? These are Americans. These are.

American These are protesters. They're exercising  their first amendment rights. They're also like. the most decent people in the country. They're  like toading their little pocket constitutions. like they they believe in our system. They  believe in the in the order that our founders. created. And Lindsey Graham doesn't and doesn't  care. And he's calling for their murder. I mean, he he that's unbelievable to me. He's always  calling for violence. It's it's almost a bizarre. um you know, it's killing uh at at the top of his  mind. He is. He just did this. I think I don't.

know if it was violence against me. I know he  was attacking me. That's not why I'm doing this. Um, I don't care what he thinks of me, but I  just He was calling for violence. Wasn't he. calling for violence this past weekend? Yeah, he  was speaking. It's It's actually a disqualifying. speech. If you look at it, it's so unbecoming of  the United States Senator. And I and I think it's. it's one for the books, but uh he got up there in  Las Vegas, the Republican Jewish Coalition, and. uh he definitely seemed to be under the influence  of something. Well, he's drunk all the time,

it seems to me. I have noticed that. Look, I'm  not calling him an alcoholic. I'm just saying. as as an alcoholic myself who's recovered. I  would say every time I see him he's drunk so. there's something. Well, he was feeling his oats  and uh he got up there and literally said to the. audience who were you know Jewish in the main  um and I I I think that this is a great slander. you know in times terms of characterizing your  caricatururing your audience. He said um about. about the administration, we are killing all the  right people and we're cutting your taxes. Killing.

all the right people. When you find yourself I  mean he's 70 years old. He's have to face the. consequences of this at some point. The eternal  consequences if you're bragging about killing. people. Well, I think there is a sixth commandment  against such a thing um the instruction from our. Lord um many millennia ago. But uh you know let's  break that down to you know it his constituent. parts as an attorney. I you know if I were taking  a deposition of him under oath I'd say let's let's.

break this sentence down. Okay we are killing. Who  is the we in this? Okay are we talking now about. the United States government? Are we talking  about the Ukrainians? Are we talking about. the government of Israel? Who who is we? and  then killing, you know, it's like, okay, well, are we talking about um bombing people or how  exactly are we killing them off? Doesn't matter, you know. And then all the right people and then  you say to yourself, well, all the right people.

or you mean people on the right? Well, Charlie  Kirk was just killed, you know. um like can you. have a little bit of space from the man's actual  wake before you're inoning violence? And then he. he turns in the next sentences to actually  threaten violence against the right. Now, this is a guy who just said shoot people in the  head on J6 is now saying if someone stands for. office and critiques Israel, we're going to  beat their brains in. He said that. Yes, he.

said beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat  beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat. beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat  beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat. beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat  beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat. beat beat their bra bra bra bra bra bra bra bra  bra bra bra bra bra bra bra bra bra bra bra brains. in and then he he later on used uh we're gonna  them. Well, he said cream them as well, which is, you know, kind of a unfortunate uh term of phrase  for him, but uh you know, beat their brains in uh. and it's just like who are you talking about? Like  why would he's talking about hurting Americans, killing Americans on behalf of another country, a  foreign power. Okay. So, like I I don't even know.

what to say to that. If if you're not appalled  by that, go ahead and vote for him. But where's. your celebrating this whole rant? It's it's  extraordinary thing. I guess you haven't seen. it. But then he goes on to say I have not seen  look both President Trump. We we we're all out of. bombs. You know, we didn't even run out of bombs  in World War II. It's like um China, if you're. listening, you sitting United States senator  just told you that we were all out of bombs. And like we know that we can't restock all those  those um you know shoulder fire missiles that.

they take seven to 10 years to build that we have  no industrial base. But he's literally bragging. about the fact that all of our munitions have been  passed to defend this eastern border of Ukraine. for what? But yet none of this benefited America.  None of this had anything to do with America. It's absurd. We were invaded while he was in the  Senate. He said nothing benefited some people in. America. if you happen to own defense industrial  stocks and and you know he's has he gotten rich. in the Senate? I haven't even checked. Well, who  who knows that? It's a it's a good question to ask.

though. But does it matter? He's 70 with no kids.  So, like why does he care? Well, you know, I think. that the point is that he has been supported. This  Senate seat is kind of wholly owned by a foreign. interest or kind of defense industrial components  and and it's so far removed. the people of South. Carolina are are a mere um kind of imposition  really the voters and it's like we will deal with. you once every six years. We will gaslight you.  I'll get a couple photos of me behind President.

Trump and you know just kind of move along. But  you know meanwhile South Carolina's 50 out of 50. in roads. Okay, people die on our secondary roads.  the the actual infrastructure is 30 years behind. which roughly maps the time this guy's been in  Washington he's never brought the bacon home he's. when if unless you think of home is Ukraine or  some foreign interest but certainly you know South. Carolina you go off the main highways which by the  way if anyone's driven through on the 95 or on the.

20 or the 26 they're two line two-lane death traps  they've never been expanded um now they're being. beginning to be expanded but uh you know, people's  roofs are falling in. Rural America is decaying. Uh, the industry moved out. And this is what we  get. We get a senator who's obsessed with foreign. war. You know, I think it's half of 1% of of  the South Carolina population is Jewish. So yes,

I mean like look, I I reaffirm the right for for  uh Israel to exist and you know and certainly. always defending the Jewish people in the wake of  the Holocaust particularly, but I don't derive my. foreign policy views based on my um you know  my theological understanding of the Bible. I'm. America first guy. I'm this is the country my  my family fought for, worked for, died for and. everyone else did. So this frame that a US senator  would spend three days in Washington and then.

run off to Kev or Kiev as we used to call it and  hold hands with a foreign dictator who suspended. elections, who's imprisoned the opposition, who  shut down the What about a weirdly hot foreign. dictator in a tight fitting military uniform or a  tracksuit? I mean that I'm just saying there are. mitigating circumstances here. kind of a young  Fidel or like Chay in the Sierra Madre 1958, you know, cigar clenched resolutely in his teeth.  Like there is a kind of appeal there. You Well,

maybe that's the Venezuela thing can be explained  that way. There's a little bit of the Latin Ruby. I actually said to myself, don't be a jerk during  this interview. But of course, I can't I have no. self-con. Look, I mean, his his sexuality his is  his own thing, but if it's if it's based on kind. of his psychosexual urge for violence, that's a  problem. It Let's just be Let's stop lying. Okay, I'm not being mean. This is a very recognizable  phenomenon that has reoccurred throughout history.

and it is tied up in your personal life. And I'm  not not talking about his sexuality. just mean. the way that you live reflects your values and  it affects your opinions on everything. And so. if you have children and grandchildren, you have  by definition a vested interest in stability and. peace. You're instinctively opposed to violence.  You lie awake as the head of household thinking. if there's a home invasion, what do I do? Like  that's how your brain works. Absolutely. You know, if you don't have that and if you're about grinder  or whatever the was going on here, then you've got.

a completely different set of values. Like it's  just a fact. Like I'm sorry that's true. Well, look, I mean, Steve Witoff, who's who has helped  make the piece there that this instable piece, but made a piece, he tells in his 60 Minutes  piece how he first found common ground with his. adversary on the other side was saying we belong  to an unfortunate club where both of our sons have. predesceased us. And so, it's like he found common  ground as a dad. But look, I I just say of Steve.

Wickoff, who I know well, yeah, Steve, if you  watch Steve Wickoff's relationship with his two. surviving sons, you see like where Steve Wickoff's  instincts come from. He's very close to his boys. And one of whom I knew well is like a like a  genuinely great guy. He rever his dad. The dad. loves the son. Like that's that's the goal. And  Wickoff looks at the world that way. It's like I. have grandchildren. Like I want I want to continue  the good things in this world. I don't want to.

blow it up tomorrow. 100%. This is what we need  in a statesman. We need we need somebody. Look, I live these values. I have a family. I have a  stake in the future. I've lived a life. I've lived. with a woman. You know, I've we've we've suffered.  We've we've survived. We've thrived. And that life. experience, you know, watching my mom die in front  of me, going in with the moon suit with my dad, you know, seeing kind of the setbacks my  grandparents felt only to see, you know, them to.

ultimately succeed. These are things I every  day I walk in office on the shoulders of them, but I carry that weight, the shared sacrifice. And  and when you go abroad and you're with a culture. that has, you know, maybe nothing to do with us,  I'm not looking to convert them. I'm looking to. find a little bit of humanity, common ground.  Yes. And that's where you say, look, parents love. their children, okay, in all cultures. And and  that's an immediate thing where you can have some. respect for life, you know. Um, look, he is the  worst. Lindsey Graham is the worst emissary or uh.

real avatar for any of these values whether it be  kind of peace and and uh the United States values. or what he's doing now with engendering I think  anti-semitism he's actually making worse all these. advocates advocates for Israel I mean from BB to  Ted Cruz to Lindsay they're all making people hate. Israel I mean that is a fact as someone who's  never hated speaking for myself I've never hate.

Israel. I vacationed there. But these people  are changing in their advocacy. Rabbi Buttplug, all of them. They're all making people dislike  Israel big time. Well, I mean, his speech was his. speech was shameful and it, you know, it should  be repudiated to call for violence the way he did. against the right a sitting United States senator  in the wake of Charlie Kirk. It's, you know, it it needs the president should distance himself  from those remarks. But, you know, here again,

like he intrudes into like women's health. Like,  if there was ever one cohort in the United States. who should sit this one out, it's a 70-year-old  wararmonger who's never shared a life, as we can. tell, with a woman. You know, it's like the he  does more damage than good. And uh with respect. to those issues for life, it's like being pro-life  means also not killing people. I mean to borrow. a little bit from the pope but like having a  sensitivity towards that as well and you know well.

why because we think human beings are the most  valuable thing God created that's what we believe. and if you don't believe that you shouldn't be in  charge of human beings right well we're committed. we are created in God's image so every time I  look one of the great things my parents did was. was name me after St. Paul, I'm always trying to  to walk in his in his way that instructions. But. what a man, you know, that we learned, you know,  to have a mutual respect for our common man to.

look at the beauty. If you look at a person, you  say, "Look, you were creating there's something. amazing about you. It may not be evident on the  surface, but I know that there's something.". And you you may have had a troubled life, but you  can always improve. and and to be able to to have. that kind of fundamental respect. You know, I come  from a long line of of janitors and chambermaids. and people did the dirty jobs and I never felt I  never feel like I'm superior to them. I think that. that's really the mark of liberalism, progressive  government, is that there's a small group of us.

who know better than the rest of the world how  to dumb credential from a credential factory. No, I couldn't couldn't agree more. there's a a real  lack of nobility among people like that with. Lindsey Graham. A true lack of nobility and um and  that's fine and he's going to have to answer for. that. But to have him in a position of leadership  particularly in a party that you know I voted for. don't have much option actually this this not  acceptable. Look we look this is a postTrump.

election. This a Senate term is 6 years. President  Trump, you know, the 2028 trolling stuff is funny, but like he's he's out of office in in two  years after this election. He'll be a lame. duck president the day after the election, kind  of cementing his legacy. And this is where does. this movement go? All of us who fought in the in  the early trenches. Look, um that that this whole. thing could just be sucked right back into the  swamp with this shape shape-shifting establishment.

really neocon uh deep state guy, you know, who's  who's managed to somehow pull in Trump a little. bit or at least the inner circle around Trump. Uh  do you think it's weird? I'm sorry to jump around, but I'm just thinking about you reminded us  all that Lindsay said on after January 6th, we gave you guns, shoot them all. Of course,  none of the protesters had guns. Not not a single. gun. No guns, except for the 200 and something  undercover FBI agents, all of whom are armed,

but no actual protester had a gun. Lindsey Graham  is only speaks in Marshall language. Kill them, crush them, bomb them. You know, he's tough guy,  right? He's like some reserveist or some fake rank. in the military and whatever. But he's terrified,  terrified on January 6th. He's like afraid of. unarmed protesters, half of whom are like over 16,  have diabetes and bad knees. And he's terrified.

He cowed. I mean, I talked to people, his fellow  senators who were there. He was scared shitless. What is that? Well, you know, the guy who's always  calling for violence against other people is a. physical coward. I think he knows what that 2020  was infirm. It was a rigged and stolen election. and he did nothing really for it. He did a lot of  pretense. You know, this the famous call. Look, I was there. Okay. What what Paul Dans has is  battle scars from every major MAGA battle. I.

was there in 16 in Pennsylvania in Moon Township  when everyone had walked away from the president. They thought he was going to lose and um we  we pulled out the win there. We we brought. Pennsylvania over the wind column, doubled the  vote there and the good people in Alageney County. Um and you know I was there in 20. I went down to  Georgia. I was at the time I was chief of staff. at office of personal management. We should talk  a little bit about how project 2025 came to be.

and how I got to serve in in the Trump admin. But  uh um I had been there again in Alageney County. um for the day on election day and you know we've  been saying those of us in in the admin I think. we got this as long as they don't steal it from  us and thinking you know that the RNC and the. Trump campaign would have taken corrective  protective measures. Well, um, you know, I was in the White House that evening and and  PO, it's a Presidential Office of Personnel, and,

uh, we were getting getting excited for a period  of time there. It seemed like we were going to. pull this out. They actually turned the volume  off of the TV and put on some music. And then. ultimately everything slowed down. It's clear that  something was totally arai. And uh, ultimately two. days later, I would go on on paid leave, leave my  group. I I basically ran this agency called Office. of Personal Management and uh go down and use my  my work as an attorney to help out. But I got down. to Georgia on the Friday morning. Thursday night  was where they famously started counting ballots.

in Fton County in the middle of the night kind of  um I decided to take my car from DC and just start. driving and I'd see my wife in South Carolina and  the kids and pick up some clothes and just get get. there. So I got there by 9:00 in the morning. I  kind of kicked myself for not flying because who. would have known that they were counting ballots,  but the bottom line is uh it we were overrun, okay, that that they had nothing in place. They  knew this was coming. And um if you dug in a.

little bit, you could tell that it was almost an  inside job. Um you know, Ray Ray Fisberger, the. uh Secretary of State, there's something odd with  that dude and and the guy Gabe Sterling. There's. something really off. Um, but they had to be sure  said, you know, this was the cleanest election. they had fought before they had finished counting  the ballots. So the the secretary of state of. Georgia was adverse to the president. Nonetheless,  we got down there, there was no infrastructure in.

place. The president didn't even have a law firm  retained. There was no national law firm. And this. was this was the whole thing. There was a debacle.  But I seen it with my own eyes. I stood up there. People knew what happened in in that buckhead. is  called that's where the GOP headquarters were. Um. you know all eyes in the whole world had turned to  Buckhead this one office building where I was and. um we didn't even have a desk. There wasn't  even a law firm. I went out and bought myself.

a computer. Sat down there and uh it's Saturday  of of the election. The both Senate seats are now. underwater. So the US Senate's in the balance as  well. And uh you know finally we're beginning to. get some sort of ground control where people are  now reinforcements are coming up from Florida the. lawyers and we can kind of get some command and  control and I have to go out and get lunch with. a guy pizza. I come back and the office is dark.  It's just like everyone left. It's like wait a.

second we're in the middle of a presidential  election. The thing's obviously kind of rigged. and stolen. You think people are working 24  hours. Like I worked in these big law firms. in New York. You know I worked 18our days. It's  like we were just humming the whole time. Where. was everybody? The office lights are off. Um they  were at the Georgia football game. Go dogs. Yeah. So So there there there was like a gut level  commitment to the cause. It sounds like No, people had left and it was like, "What is going on  here?" So I I reached out to to Johnny Mack at at.

the White House. I said, "We need a field general  down here. Get me Doug Collins. Get him on, you know, and ask the president to put Doug in."  And sure enough, they, you know, the next day, um, people had snapped, too. They had gotten the  word at the White House and everyone had walked. out. You know, the idea was, "We're going to take  a breather." Um, I think the word had come down. from RNC headquarters to cut bait on the president  um in sometime mid Saturday morning. They had the. famously Trump victory had, you know, shifted into  Senate victory and they cut Trump off. And so he.

thinks people are fighting all around the country  while people are walking out on him in real time. And I'm there's a reason he hired Rudy Giuliani  cuz there was no one else left. Yeah. I mean Paul. Dance is standing in the balance and and that's  where you know I'm like what is going on here? um that Sunday morning uh finally people kind of  began to come in and it's I kind of liken it to. almost like when Christ was crucified and who were  the people who who came first were without fear.

were the women and uh that's where I met MTG for  the first time Marjorie Taylor Green on a Sunday. morning in Buckhead and she could have been up in  Washington she had just won she could be measuring. her her drapes and everything that woman wanted to  get to the bottom of what just happened on Tuesday. that's what she's So it was her, it was Cleita,  it was Jenny Beth Martin. These were the people. standing up and and we had no infrastructure  in place. It was basically um they had cut. bait on the president. So I've been there when  everybody gave up. What was Lindsay doing at this.

point? you know, he was making feckless phone  calls or something. And he ultimately had this. famous phone call with Ray Fusberger, which if  you had actually been a lawyer, you'd be like, "That's the last person you should be getting  on the phone call uh telling the president to. get on the phone with because that guy's adverse  to us. Yes, they're going to tape you. You know, they're going to try to set you up. Don't  you understand what went down here?". So it it was almost extraordinary um that he could  kind of pantomime that he was doing something on.

on election integrity but but he was undermining  Trump. Yes. Ultimately he was leading. I think. that this man's mo is when he couldn't frontally  attack Trump. He said I'm going to infiltrate. Trump and then I'm going to walk him in down  the path of danger and like hey Mr. President. you call up the secretary of state and see if  he can find some votes. That's a great idea, sir. Why didn't you do that? And it's like it's  like a setup artist almost. Um, but you know,

for anybody with their head screwed on, it was it  was asking for trouble. And of course, you know, then J6 precipitated after that. And so by  the end of uh of the term there, everybody. walked away from the man. And um, you know, I  was there January 20th at Joint Base Andrews. to see President Trump off. So, I have I've got  So, I just want to replay what what he said or. just say it out loud after January 6. Like Lindsay  just absolutely abandoned Trump like immediately.

Yeah. He blamed it. He said it'll be a major part  of the presidency was Trump's fault what happened. on January 6. And of course, now we know with  230 FBI agents in the crowd, maybe it's not that. simple. But we don't know that because Lindsay  pointed that out. I mean, Lindsay could have at. any point tried to get to the bottom of how many  federal agents were in the crowd on January 6th. Everyone knew that was happening. I said it,  probably got fired for it, among other things,

but it was just obvious from the very beginning  that this was a setup. No, he gave his famous. I'm done speech. And, you know, the first part of  that speech is interesting because he knocks South. Carolina. He he likes to first start out by saying  my state's often the cause of the problem. So, first he throws South Carolina under the bus and  then he basically says he's done with Trump and. you know the meanwhile those of us are like in  the engine room like my grandfather trying to. keep this ship going mga keep the US government  running you know we're in full peak co and you.

know like I say uh to have this guy now got full  six years in in the Senate got everyone to say. vote for him. I mean, I have my neighbors coming  up to me and saying, "Paul, should we vote for. Lindsey Graham? Can you really do that?" I mean,  that's that's a heinous decision when you go into. the ballot box in 2020 and you're and you look at  the Republican line and it's Lindsey Graham and. you're a Republican and that's why I'm never going  to let that happen to me again. No, that's why I'm.

standing up. But like cuz it's just all fake.  Okay, so this is my last series of questions, which is like I have I asked around before this  interview cuz I'm not a political expert despite. being around it my whole life. I don't really  understand it that well. I don't understand how. Lindsey Graham could have a shot at re-election.  I called around, oh no, Lindsay is in good shape. I think it's a measure of how much money he  has. People assume the more money you have, the more likely you are to win. That's not  true. Ask Jeb Ask Jeb Bush. But he does have.

institutional support. like there there are office  holders in South Carolina who are endorsing him, right? Well, not that many. Look, we we are going  to do this. I want to make clear to people. We we. announced in in August one or July 30th and our  numbers have already doubled. Ultimately, yes, we. need to get the financial backing to get people,  your listeners to get behind this. Like if you. you have a year, so we're taping this the first  Tuesday in November. So you've got June 9th, 2026.

is liberation day for South Carolina. June 9th is  the primary. Primary and we are moving up on this. guy. If the election were held tomorrow, we'd be  in a runoff. Like South Carolina, if you get less. than 50%, it's an automatic runoff state. There's  a reason why President Trump is doing his first. fundraiser for Lindsey Graham. Notwithstanding  the fact that this man has 15 million in the. bank. Where in South Carolina is that fundraiser?  Correct. It's in It's in Florida, interestingly.

Yes, they're going to do it on a golf course in  Florida away from uh away from the actual South. Carolinians. Um look, there we need support. I'll  be frank. Um but I think people bemoone the money. that Lindsay has and I I know that um I've had  confidential discussions with people saying that. various, you know, uh interest groups are ready  to come in for this guy to the tune of tens of. millions of dollars. Whatever it takes, whatever  it takes. But um you know, I think I was thinking.

about the parable of of the three servants really  and that you need as Christians, we need to. invest our money, you know, in in people who are  going to fight for our values. And that's that's. where I'd ask po folks out here listening like  invest in our campaign. Get behind us. We are, our message is really clicking with both the  youth, the under 30 people who who they need. to own a part of America. Not only do we need to  end these endless wars, which I'll do right away,

but make this life, this American dream affordable  again for this generation to come let them dream. of having a family and actually be able to do it.  And then, like I say, get to the bottom of J6, get to the bottom of COVID, get to the bottom  of the Russia hoax, get to the bottom of 2020. Let's actually get accountability in government  from a guy who who stood up project 2025 and. and I've changed the world through that. You know  that that is the architect of project 2025. Yes.

And just stop the humiliation. You know, South  Carolina is one of the best states that we have. People move there. I have family who moved there.  People just like South Carolina. It's great. It's. pretty wellrun. Pretty reasonable. Beautiful. Of  course, the Republican primary is the election. A Republican's going to have that sentency. We  know that. So, it should be a great Republican. It shouldn't be the worst Republican, probably  second worst after Ted Cruz because at least. Lindsay is charming. But it shouldn't have the  best state shouldn't have the worst senator. Like,

this is a humiliation exercise meant to demoralize  the rest of us. I really think that if you want to. honor Charlie Kirk's memory, this is the best  way to do it. Charlie was in South Carolina 3. weeks before he was killed saying exactly that.  He said, "South Carolina, you need a new senator.". and he said that, you know, Turning Point Action  was going to be on the tip of the spear of turning. out Rhino senators and Lindsey Graham. Well, and  I talked about this topic quite a bit. Quite a. bit until right before he died. Yes. And and so  I hope that people will get behind your campaign,

you know, because I think it's important. You're  obviously much more qualified and much closer. to the spirit of most Americans, but it's also  just so important to stop this, just to say no. like this is if you don't stop people like Lindsey  Graham and he can go be on the board of Rathon and. go to bath houses across Eastern Europe, whatever  his future might hold, probably a lot more fun. than serving in the Senate, but and and get sober.  My gosh. But if you don't stop this, if you just.

like allow the guy to get reelected to the Senate  at 71 years old with an anti-American platform, that's like a sign to everybody else that like, oh  yeah, you can just piss on America. Like there's. nothing that people can do about it. Yeah. There's  no changes possible. This is the barometer for. whether MAGA lives or dies. I totally agree with  that. This is this is really Look, I built Project. 2025. If you like what President Trump's done in  these first nine months is because I organized.

a couple thousand volunteers under the OP opaces  of the Heritage Foundation, brought together 110. member coalition of the of the right and basically  made these building blocks, these prefabricated. policy and personnel to go in and hit the ground  running. And that's why he came out gang busters. and it allowed him to get this head of steam going  and get world peace. like this is why he's a world. beater because we actually prepared I was I'm  the one who was able to use this platform and.

take my MIT training this you know I was trained  as a city planner and then in in the vision of. Daniel Burnham who's the famous architect who  did uh did Union Station it was this notion of. we need to make no little plans we we are saving  this republic we they lack the magic to stir men's. hearts we have to give them a bold whole vision  and that's what project 2025 was. It allowed the. president and now we know so much of what he's  doing is coming right out of that book for sure.

though no one wants to admit it. Um yeah so how  can final question how can people who support the. program you just described and think that it's  so essential to stop this insanity before we. have like World War. Um how can they support your  campaign? Look, get get to pauldans.com. You know, we obviously love you to invest in the  campaign. Support us. If it's $20 a month,

if it's a hundred or, you know, everyone get  get behind this. Like, this is the time you need. to invest in your country. Um, Lindsay is not a  South Carolina problem. He's an American problem. Definitely. And all of us have to drive him out.  There's good patriots all over the country. They. know what Paul Dans did to build project 2025. and  they know that that is why so much of what Trump's. doing right now is coming directly from our work  to you know get behind us on the media if if you. can't afford it like push out our message you  know share it on Facebook share it on X and and.

prayers finally three prayers we'll take prayers  um but this is this is all within our reach this. is going to happen and we have a a welling up of  support particularly the youth they really need a. future so many People can't even envision getting  out of their garden or apartment or being able to. own anything, let alone get married and have a  family. That's that's elemental American dream. And that we are sending our kids forward into this  is outrageous. I I have to stand up in this moment.

of time. Look, I'm leaving five kids on this earth  one day. And um they they need the future that. was that was their birthright. and that everyone  who laid down and gave that ultimate sacrifice, whether they died on a battlefield or they  died building something or they just labored. um as anonymous woman, they deserve a future in  this country and that's that's what we have to.

pass on to the kids. Do you have any billionaire  oligarchs backing you? Well, hopefully a few of. them are listening to this show, but uh look,  I you know, I would say because Lindsay has. that that's one thing he's got. Look, uh, what  Lindsay did, you made a fortune, I don't know, on debt, you know, putting people into slavery or  like hooking them on gambling or something. Uh, you're definitely using your billions to support  Lindsey Graham. Well, look, this man got us a $.

38 trillion breaking point. This country is in  physical fiscal dire straits. If we collapse, the whole world goes down with us. This is all  these foreign adventures that this man has led. us on in the 32 years of his his endless war  cheerleading and the deficit spending. Those. are coming home to roost and it's you know life  is tough out there notwithstanding what some. people in the White House are saying. It's  expensive. Things have not like I go to the.

grocery store every day. You know I fill  up and and if if it's shocking me what's. it doing to the people paycheck to paycheck?  And we have to get real. Like today's election. day. Let's see what happens tonight because  the kids and the generation, they're moving. left because the left is actually talking about  real pocketbook issues. You know, the promise. here with Trump was to return the government to  the people and and it's time is burning. Like we. need not only action at the Justice Department  and getting answers and actually doing things,

but we need to like actually stop spending money  on these follyies abroad and start building. America. Let's let's get the the uh country of  milk and honey flowing here. You got my vote. Thank you, Tucker. But uh Paul Dance, thank  you very much. My pleasure. Thank you, Tucker. We've got a new website we hope you will visit.  It's called newcommissionnow.com and it refers.

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