How China and the UN are Fueling the Invasion of America

if you've been following any of the. stories over the past several years. about the movement of hundreds of. thousands millions of people illegally. into the United States you may have come. across the phrase Daran Gap and it's. never really explained what it is it's a. physical place it's between Panama and. Colombia and it is a gap in the. Pan-American Highway in other words if. you want to get from South America to. North America Overland you have to go. through the Darian Gap but it's very. difficult and yet last year at least. 520,000.

migrants crossed it to come here how did. that happen what is it what is going on. in the Daran Gap it's the key in some. ways to this story this immigration. story well almost no one has taken the. time to go to the Daran Gap and find out. what's happening there leave it to a. world around biologist to do that not a. journalist a biologist that would be do. Brett Weinstein who is the host along. with his wife Heather of the Darkhorse. podcast and he was just there last week.

because he wanted to see it for himself. we're honored to have him join us now to. tell us what he found Dr wion thank you. so much very good to be back with you. Tucker so can you that was my feeble. attempt to add libon explanation to the. daring Gap but can you can you a little. more precisely tell us what it is sure. uh you did a pretty good job the. Pan-American Highway is a road that. literally goes from pruto Bay Alaska to. the southern tip of South America it is. unbroken but for a 60m stretch uh. between Panama and Columbia.

it is not a canyon as many people. Imagine The Gap must be it's an. impenetrable piece of jungle and the. road has never been completed there not. because it's technically impossible to. do but because the combination of the. difficulty of putting a road through. that jungle and the the danger of doing. so has meant that North and South. America have been separated in this way. U for the entire history of that road so. you often hear people say it's a. perilous journey to get across that 60.

miles of the daring Gap is that a fair. assessment uh it's beyond Fair let's. just say uh I did my graduate work uh. not far from Darian I did it in in. central Panama and the jungle in the. Daran Gap is someplace that one um does. not go without careful preparation it is. uh quite dangerous it involves a number. of conditions that make it perilous for. one thing the cordier which is the.

mountain range that is effectively the. continental divide the same continental. divide that we see in Colorado for. example continues down through Central. America and it passes through Daran so. imagine a very uh difficult jungle. without proper Trails through it in. which migrants have to come up that. mountain range and they're almost all. unprepared they don't have the kinds of. materials you would want with you so. they're soaking wet from rain rain.

they're sleeping on the ground and so. they get hypothermia um it's extremely. slippery so people are constantly. sliding down Hills breaking limbs they. sleep in their shoes and get trenched. foot it's a very treacherous uh journey. and the difficulty of it should not be. underrated so how did of I mean you. wonder why there's not a permanent team. of New York Times reporters there trying. to tell the rest of us what exactly is. happening half a million people move. through there in one year how did you.

wind up there well I I wound up there. because Michael Yan had been sending me. materials uh thinking that I would be. interested in what was taking place in. Panama and of course I was utterly. fascinated by what I was seeing now some. of your viewers may not know Michael. Michael is a former Green Beret who has. refashioned. himself well the last time I was on your. program I talked about Goliath yes and. uh if there's a Goliath there's a David.

and I would argue that Michael Yan is. like David's eyes he's been traversing. the world trying to understand a story. that as yet has no name and that story. is partially in the Darion of Panama and. it's all sorts of other places including. uh in various un installations there. there's some story that is uh difficult. to piece together and he's been he's. been um physically travel to all of its.

various epicenters and showing people so. and that is the story of mass migration. uh Mass migration I now think is a piece. of it now when I went to Panama I had a. hard time explaining to myself why I was. going because those are the best trips. aren't they they yes they are the. Serendipity of it is is important but it. was hard for me to justify in my head. going to such a place when it wasn't. going to change you you know the the.

videos he had sent me were quite clear. um so what was it I was going to learn. by standing there that I couldn't also. learn by looking at these things well. I'm very glad I went because it did. actually radically change my. understanding of what I was looking at. for reasons I better understand now um. it one needs to see the uh the physical. relationship between the various sites. that he showed us um in order to really. piece together.

what this story is so you went if I can. summarize what I think you're saying. because you're a researcher and you. wanted to know what's actually. happening uh the thing that gets. deemphasized when we talk about um high. quality science is the degree to which. it is informed by well tutored intuition. so I had a sense that I needed to see it. for reasons that my conscious mind. wasn't certain of at the time and I. followed that and I'm I'm very glad I.

did follow your instincts boy that is. that is the lesson of so many moments in. life so what did you find and what did. you conclude well uh I concluded a. number of things and and the whole thing. was so um mentally disruptive that I I'm. still in the process of unpacking what. it was and debating with myself about. what it means but I I'll give you um. some Basics but I do have to ask. something of your audience there's part. of this that is just me reporting what I.

saw and what I learned from Michael and. others on our trip and there's part of. it that's me speculating and I'm trying. to do it as responsibly as possible. because a great deal hinges on what the. actual explanation for what what we. looked at is so when I'm speculating I'm. going to be careful to tell you that. that's what I'm doing and people should. you know treat hypotheses as hypothesis. um and and nothing. more but the first place that this trip. really changed my understanding. was I went.

down thinking that I was going to see a. migration and other people have called. it an invasion and there is something. troubling to me about the tension. between these two things I mean which is. it and I came away with the sense that. it's probably literally both and the way. that manifests is you have a massive. movement of of people through the deran.

from Colombia now I did not know when I. went down I now know that most of those. people actually start in Ecuador and the. reason they start in Ecuador is that. Ecuador has a policy where they don't. require a Visa so people coming from all. over the world can land in keto Ecuador. find their way through Colombia move. through the Darion and if they survive. it which not all of them do they can. then get relatively directly all the way. through Central America into the US.

but that's not all that's going on so we. went to several of the I guess you would. call them Transit camps these are places. where people who have come by whatever. route to Daran where they uh recover if. they're injured and they have to. accumulate money because even if they. settle out on their Journey with enough. money to buy a bus ticket to get them. through Central America by the time.

they've come through deran almost all of. them have been robbed and much worse. actually people are being robbed women. are being. raped um and lots of people are dying. the migrants talk about stepping over. bodies in Darion and for somebody with. experience in these kinds of jungles. it's not hard to see how without a. support network the kinds of stuff that. can happen in a jungle can become uh. deadly very quickly things can spir a.

lot of. control so you have all of these. migrants from all over the world many of. them are South American but that is by. no means the whole story people are. coming from the Middle East we met. Afghans we met people from the Caribbean. Haitians there are people from Yemen. Iran it's shocking really this looks. superficially like the migration of. central Americans that you and I. remember from when we were kids yes and. there is some of that um but that's not. the whole story.

now in um there's a camp we went to. called Canan mrio it's on the Canan. River at the town of mrio and Canan mrio. we were allowed to walk around at will. and we could interact with the migrants. um at will we were allowed to take. pictures there was no concern about this. we just had to check in with the ca. front the ca front is the Panamanian. border Authority but once we had checked. in uh we were on our own and people were. interested in talking including migrants.

so we had many conversations with. migrants and these migrants I I have to. tell you when they come to the southern. border of the US um they get through on. the basis that they are political. refugees they aren't when we talk to. them in the transit Camp everybody tells. the same story they are. fleeing um economic collapse and are. fleeing in the direction of what they.

perceive to be Economic Opportunity and. of course in American law these two. things are very different we protect. people who are seeking political Asylum. but we do not offer automatic economic. Asylum and the reason for that is fairly. clear which is that in order to protect. people economically we end up robbing. Americans of their economic well-being. and that's just not something that. people are entitled to no matter how. much compassion you may have for people.

fleeing Venezuela it is not um our. responsibility especially not without. some sort of a plan an agreement about. how many people are going to come. through and in what way we're going to. take care of them and how that's going. to get paid for um we don't uh we don't. do that but in any case you get the same. story from everybody they're they're. fleeing uh an economic crisis and. they're moving um North and many of them. have terrible stories about what. happened to them in the Darian Gap so.

that's uh one thing and you see when you. go into this this Camp Canam Brio you. see the Hallmark of the International. Community you see NGO emblems all over. the place proudly American flags they've. paid for the water system the the. toilets that are there the United States. government is facilitating this economic. migration and it's unmistakable as is an. organization called the. which is the International Organization.

for migration it's a branch of the UN. and if you read their there's Charter. you will discover that this organization. believes that migration is an inherently. good thing that it's always good and so. they see it as their job to bring it. about to facilitate it and in this case. that's particularly tragic because their. uh desire to induce people to migr great. is causing people who are woefully.

unprepared for the Darian Gap to try to. make that journey and um the the. humanitarian tragedy is is immense so. the UN of which the United States is I. think the largest owner by far is paying. for this with the US government yep. apparently they are now panamanians are. largely unaware some are aware that. there's a migration but in large measure. this migration once it gets through the. Daran Gap boards buses and effectively.

what I Now understand is that all of the. countries in Central America are. effectively waving the migrants. through because those migrants are not. going to stop in these countries as long. as they keep going to the US these. countries are willing to remain silent. about it now in 1991 Heather and I. actually traveled the other direction. through Central America through all the. countri countes South to uh to Costa.

Rica and all of those borders are. tightly controlled oh I've been yeah um. and so it is very surprising to find. those controls are effectively lifted. here that's clearly the result of a. massive. coordination and um of course it's. resulting in a large. migration but what I was going to tell. you about the fact that this migration. doesn't appear to me to be just one. thing is that we went to another Camp.

called San viente and everything in San. viente is different than it was at Canan. mria San vente first of all it's not a. town this is a camp that is built as a. Transit Camp it's built of containers. and various objects to House. people and it is almost entirely Chinese. now there were Chinese folks Chinese. Chinese that's a long way from China it. sure is and what's more in this Camp the.

rule that you're able to go in and walk. around and talk to people. is not in evidence the centa front the. Panamanian border control actually. forbid us to go into the camp so we had. to stay on the outside of it we were. also forbidden to photograph it so what. photographs we have were uh taken. covertly. um but the most striking thing wait may.

I ask does so is it the government of. China do you believe that's funding this. I well let me tell you the other thing I. found and then I think the answer to. that will become. clearer outside of the San vente Camp. the Chinese migrants. are um you can interact with them there. are a couple of shops where they go to. buy water snacks or whatever and so you.

can interact with them at those. places they are the opposite of. forthcoming they have no interest in. talking to Outsiders and I've been to. dangerous places before I've been to. places where people fear their. government and can't talk to you because. they feel it's not safe this didn't feel. like that at all this felt like people. who did not want to share information. because it would would be a mistake to. do so and what's more there was an.

incident where Michael who has lived in. China he's been all over the world and. he started up or tried to start up a. conversation with uh a guy who claimed. to be from. Korea and Michael tripped him up and got. him to speak Chinese and then there was. aborus laughter at the fact um that he. had tried to pull this caper on Michael. so it is not a friendly.

migration these uh Chinese folks who. are overwhelmingly male military age. there are women present I realized only. this morning that in thinking back I saw. few if any children in the Chinese. migration they were everywhere in the. other places we visited but they were. not present as as far as I remember in. the in the San vente.

Camp. so what I have pieced together and this. is a place where I'm going to speculate. this is a hypothesis this is not a. conclusion but what I began to. suspect was that the Chinese. migration is actually being cloaked by. the economic migration com from South. America and that that um is consistent.

with the observation that it has some. different motivation now I learned from. Michael that the Chinese migrants in the. San Vicente Camp largely bypassed the. Darion they because they have money they. they can go by boat and they can skip. most of the Peril of the Darian Gap and. uh in any case it's a very different. phenomenon and to see it housed so separ. separately is quite conspicuous I do not.

know what the rationale for this you. estimate do you have any sense of how. many Chinese these are Chinese Nationals. they seem to be how many did you see is. talking 60 or 600 or it's very hard to. say because we were held at one edge of. the camp so I probably. saw 150 faces but the camp is deeper now. Michael does some drone reconnaissance.

and he's also been to this Camp many. times um he would definitely be the. person to ask in terms of a a good. estimate for how many of these folks. there are but um. the the degree to which this is not. consistent with. a well let me back up a. second I regard the Chinese people as. victims of an oppressive government that. I fear for my own reasons for sure so I.

there's nothing about the fact that. these folks are Chinese that throws me. and if they were fleeing that government. um I'm not sure what we should do about. it but I'm certainly supportive of their. desire I would feel a great deal of. sympathy and in fact I felt a great deal. of sympathy for all of the other. migrants um that I met but the sense of. it's really hard not to use the term. hostility that I felt from the Chinese. was particularly on settling given that. I know where they're.

headed right they're headed to the US. and Ju Just to be totally clear on that. point this was not a a work camp for a. you know Chinese infrastructure project. and no it it was not and. um what I know is taking place at the. southern border of the US um makes this. even more disturbing because although. the controls at the southern border are. still there for those of us who are. crossing legally the lack of any control.

for those who are crossing um illegally. is stunning so if I may just compare. when I came back from. Panama I approached a kiosk with my. passport ready to scan it I didn't have. to a camera took my picture and although. I didn't know that my picture was about. to be taken I hadn't taken my hat off I. was wearing my. glasses um the kiosk told me I didn't. need to put my passport there and then a.

customs officer behind me called my name. Brett he said do you have anything to. declare I said no he said you're good to. go so we have technology that is capable. of identifying a person um with that. level of ease to the point that they. knew exactly who was coming through the. Border but we are not apparently taking. that information when people cross our. Southern border what we're doing at most. is asking them their name and their. birth date and taking them at their word.

but no biometric collection apparently. not which means that you know even if. this were simply a matter of our system. being overwhelmed by migrants you would. at least want to collect that. information so that if a troublemaker. did come through which is inevitable. that they will you could begin to figure. out who it might be right so that you. know they had an identity even even if. it was disc connected to biometric data. that would be useful but we're not doing. it. so um what I think I saw my hypothesis.

for what I think I saw. is that there is an invasion taking. place you know it's it's not a Sleeper. Cell because it's on the move but I. started to think of them as. Sleepwalkers and there's also a massive. migration and the migration is causing. it is causing us to have difficulty. discussing the invasion which is a. distinct phenomenon and and different. simply from Desperate peasants from poor.

countries coming here for work there was. no desperation in evidence and um. Michael also gave us a video which I. can't establish the origin of but it is. a Chinese cartoon uh set to happy music. of a. migrant moving through Central America. changing modes of transportation and it. basically indicates here's the route you. will travel now was it produced by the. CCP I can't be certain of that but that.

certainly is suggested that this is a uh. a message about um how to make this. journey for what purpose I don't know. but I do not believe that the people I. encountered had left China without the. knowledge of their government I believe. their government has some reason to uh. to have facilitated but the. administration must be aware of this our. Administration. yes it is is but here's the problem I've.

been wrestling. with it used to be that it was hard to. convince people that our system was. deeply corrupt back in the days when. those of us who were focused on this. issue used to talk about campaign. Finance reform right right it was a it. was a problem you know that you could. grapple with it was of that scale now we. have it's like a whole different level. of corruption right and here's the. question that I've never heard a good. answer. to what stops our enemies.

internationally from buying influence. over our system in the same way that. corporations do and. did I can't think of anything and I've. never heard. patriotism right sorry just kidding um I. don't think there is any such Safeguard. and if there is such a safeguard I would. like to know how often it has been. triggered certainly our enemies will. have noticed that we have a system. that's pay for play and it's certainly I.

mean it's perfectly in keeping with. sunzo at the very least it would be far. cheaper easier safer from their. perspective to um persuade us to harm. ourselves than to go to war with us. so again I don't know I'm I'm a. biologist I'm you know this is not my. well you're an observer of things that's. what the study is right it is and. unfortunately this is the most.

parsimonious explanation for what I've. seen now is that somebody has persuaded. us. to um endorse a policy that is decidedly. not in our. interest. and I will also say that um I've become. aware in the process of doing this that. the Chinese have a a rather famous plan. for the world called the Bel and Road in. initiative yes um in which they have.

scoped out where the resources are and. how they're to get from one place to. another what many people who know about. the belt and Road initiative don't know. is that they have also you know the belt. and Road initiative is largely about. Africa and Asia but apparently there's. been a considerable amount of thinking. in China about how belt and Road would. work in the new world as well and and. it's in full operation I mean St Croy. which is an American protect. at St Croy next to you know the it's.

American Virgin Islands its Road system. is built by China there you go and. there's an awful lot of investment in. Panama and there is certainly talk in. China about opening the Dari and gap. which opening it Paving it Paving it. right and another thing that Michael. showed us which I I it's maybe the most. surprising thing I saw. is a bridge building project at yav vit.

which is the town at the very end of the. panamic highway in. Daran so there is a massive Bridge being. built not a bamboo and Vine Bridge oh no. this is a massive concrete and steel. highway bridge um being built over the. chukin river into the Darion what's on. the other side is impenetrable jungle. and a few Villages this bridge does not.

make any sense so do any idea who's. paying for that um that is much less. clear there are no signs most people in. Panama are completely unaware that any. such project exists um there are no. proud signs as there are in the transit. camps um I will say we spoke to the. foreman of the project I mean the. project is actually pretty impressive. you know it's a construction site. nobody's standing around they are. building a bridge and they are uh doing.

so. uh impressively do the workers seem to. be local panamanians they do um the. foreman was Panamanian and we asked him. what the purpose of the bridge was and. he didn't know but he speculated that it. was to bring Yuka from Darion from the. villages on the other side into Panama. that's a that's a low margin. Agricultural Product for those who are. watching it's uh doesn't justify a steel. reinforced Bridge across the river it's.

it there's nothing about this that makes. any sense I mean Yuka it's it's like a. potato yeah um it grows all over Panama. anded all over the world's Tropics um. there would be no reason to grow it in. Darion in fact there are very good. reasons not to encourage more of it to. be grown in Darian given the Priceless. habitat that will be cleared to grow. Yuka there for no good reason there's. lots of better places to do it so what I. was left with is the sense. that um there is a bridge going.

in and it has a purpose that has not. been shared with the. panamanians that purpose really has to. be as far as I can tell it's got to be. one of two. things either this is about bringing. Lumber out of Darian National Park which. would be obscene cutting hardwood. cutting the this is priceless hardwood. um that is in part Still Standing. because it is such a difficult jungle to.

access so it's possible that somebody. has targeted that wood and not told the. panamanians and um they're building this. bridge for that purpose but the other. potential purpose is that they're. intending to finish the panamerican. highway through. Darion um which is something that would. certainly need to be discussed to be. reasonable now in the aftermath of our. trip um an vandersteel put up a video.

sharing uh just a view of this. construction site and her perspective on. it and this caused a a small scandal in. Panama because the panamanians weren't. aware and suddenly this was on the. internet and they were talking about. what is this bridge at the southern end. of uh of of the uh panamerican Highway. in. Panama and the panamanians claimed that. it was just to reach the villages on the. other side so I'm left with the very odd.

sense that their cover story is that. this is a. boondoggle right if this was a. boondoggle and they were just putting. money into a project that meant nothing. then that would explain the bridge to. nowhere but this didn't look like a. boondoggle this looked like somebody. wanted the bridge and given the belon. road initiative and the sense that the. Chinese have about what the future. should look like and in which direction. resources should move and for what.

purpose it's hard for me not to connect. the dots between these things right you. have a massive migration of people labor. you have. a likely invasion. of military age largely Chinese males uh. who are not forthcoming about why they. have embarked on their journey and. appear to be encouraged by something in. China to do this. so you know I don't know is there given.

what you're describing and what you saw. with your own eyes doubtless you have. seen Senator Dick Urban of Illinois's. comments in the Senate where he said hey. we should let people who came here. illegally join the US. military what what does that make you. think. well this makes me think back. to the covid crisis and some thoughts. that I was developing then about the.

insanity of throwing highly trained. people in many cases out of the US. military for refusing to take the. so-called vaccines now my sense at the. time. was that that likely had the purpose of. getting rid of the kinds of people who. refuse moral orders right and that it. created a much more compliant Force now. what happens if migrants are given.

citizenship in exchange for military. service in the US. military that seems to create a major. Hazard because the perverse incentives. for a migrant and the lack of allegiance. to fundamental American. values means that that would be just the. kind of force that could be used to. impose tyranny on other Americans. because. uh because they would have you know no.

history with us that would cause them to. think twice we've seen this before with. the Roman Legions um that's exactly my. conclusion um does that sound like a. crazy conclusion. uh I think we have to stop punishing. ourselves for considering things that. once seemed crazy but the pattern of. recent history I'm sorry I want to. repeat that I think we have to stop. punishing ourselves for considering. things that one seems crazy yep getting.

that. tattoo yeah well I mean this is where we. are and it is um it's causing me to do. something that I'm reluctant to do my my. training is as a scientist and. scientists um have to have. a a substantial degree of caution and. self skepticism to do the work but in. order even to reach the possibilities. that do fully explain what we're seeing.

we have to be ready to. consider um consider the larger picture. now I was talking to Chris. Martinson while we were in Panama we. were on our last day trying to just. unpack what we had seen and what it. meant to us um Chris is also a. scientist and people can check this out. on uh the Darkhorse locals Community um. we've posted the entire conversation in. which he and I reached some I think we.

spooked ourselves um trying to reason. through what this this might be and he. reminded me of. the uh. massive number of surplus males that. China now has as a result I was thinking. the exact same thing as a result of the. one one child policy the one child. policy now here's the part that I uh. suddenly realized as soon as he reminded. me of that. I wrote an essay years ago about the one.

child policy and the Paradox of a heavy. bias in favor of males and the reason. that this was a paradox is that there's. a principle in evolution well understood. it's the result of the work of a guy. named Ronald fiser and what fiser. realized was that although males and. females can be very different in how. many offspring they produce and because. a male could produce thousands of. Offspring in a lifetime and a female if. we're talking about humans could I think. the maximum is something impressive like.

60 but um nonetheless because males can. produce a lot more it seems that it. might be evolutionarily advantageous to. be one but it's not because for every. overperforming male there's an. underperforming male or at least one and. the result is that sex ratios no matter. how different males and females are in. their maximum reproductive capacity they. tend to default to one: one if you have. a society that has too many females you. should produce a male and if you have a. society with too many males you should.

produce a female which tends to balance. these things out that logic should have. applied to. China the fact is there were lots of. excess males and if you put yourself in. the mindset of a Chinese person having a. child if there are too many males you. should want to produce a female a male. is very unlikely to find a mate a female. is certain to find one and what's more. she has her pick of the litter yes so. that logic should have caused the sex.

ratio to return to 50/50 and yet it did. not which caused me all those years ago. when I wrote this piece to wonder if. there wasn't another evolutionary force. in play If evolution did not have a. mechanism for producing armies that when. a a country was in a position to expand. that producing excess males does pay off. at a lineage level that excess males who. have no reprod productive prospects at. home become an effective weapon against.

neighboring. populations so I can't believe that that. did not occur to me as I was um. preparing for this trip but uh it has. occurred to me now I guess it didn't. occur to me because when I wrote that. all those years ago I was expecting to. see evidence that this was turning into. a military force and I didn't see it so. I stopped thinking about it um but now I. wonder if that isn't exactly right. and if what happened is that um a male.

biased population in China was produced. as a weapon and if that weapon is now. being. deployed that's. remarkable so that would so so far we. have the US government abetting this a. branch of the UN Chinese. government did you see any other funders. orent funders of this well I'm not. expert in this area at all we did go to.

a place so I I guess I didn't say this. 25 years ago I worked in Panama I lived. on Barrow Colorado Island which is an. island administered by the Smithsonian. institution in the Panama Canal it was a. Hilltop that got isolated when the canal. filled and the Smithsonian took it over. because it was a marvelous opportunity. to have an isolated piece of forest that. they could watch over time and learn how. tropical biology works so I had the. privilege of living in the canal for 18.

months and I got very familiar with the. canal you lived in the Panama Canal for. 18 months absolutely did we used to swim. in the waters um for whatever reason the. crocodiles that inhabit those Waters if. we would encounter them while swimming. they would turn and go the other way. which was lovely apparently that's no. longer true and you can't swim there but. um yeah I I lived there what did you. what were you studying tent making bats. um I know that that sounds I'm only. asking cuz I really for your benefit cuz. I want you to remember just how.

dramatically your life has changed yeah. well I I still love tent making bats. it's really it's it's a little it's a. little miracle that exists in these. forests but anyway maybe we'll talk. about that another time um but I was. well familiar with the Canal Zone. because we used to the Canal Zone in. fact the military this was this was. before the Handover to the panamanians. so we you know the military made it. possible for the Smithsonian to work. there and we were constantly interacting. we were going on their bases we'd go on. their bases to watch a movie um so we.

were using this military infrastructure. which has now all been handed over to. Panama and what impressed me was when we. went back specifically to Fort Clayton. something that is now called the city of. knowledge the city of knowledge is. housed in uh or it's Central Building is. the former Army south building building. from the US Southern command so this is.

both an important fact for the military. that us Southern command is a segment of. the military dedicated to uh protecting. American interests in the Caribbean and. all of Latin America South of. Mexico and it has this impressive. structure in Fort Clayton. immediately uh above the. um the Los Flores. locks um so it was both physically there.

to protect the canal and it was. metaphorically this imposing presence. looking out over to project power South. absolutely and after the Handover all of. the military bases that were in the. Canal Zone were handed over and this one. has been taken over by the UN and the. International Community and all the NOS. have offices there and it reminded me of. how many many things in our society have. been had their purpose.

inverted right universities used to. exist to make young people uh smarter. and more analytically capable. universities now make people stupider. and convince them of things that just. simply aren't true yes newspapers used. to help us understand what the facts. were about events that were taking place. that involved us now newspapers obscure. the facts from us um they're the last to. report the news after we embarrass them. into doing it so this structure that.

once uh was a testament to the. achievement of the Panama Canal and the. importance of protecting the Panama. Canal um is now involved in what looks. like obvious subterfuge against American. interests right an organization that is. dedicated to facilitating migration. without asking asking Americans without. there being any plan at all for how uh.

the well-being of these people is going. to be financed that their. office is sitting if this building US. Army south at the Los Flores locks um is. um it's like a it's like a person and at. that person's left knee is. the looking out at the bridge of the. Americas which when I was there was the. only way to cross the Panama Canal right. it's almost the exact inversion of what.

this these structures were built for. and how many times do you have to see. the inversion of something to begin to. get the sense that that's something has. taken over our system and it's it's. become. sick well it's it's and I'm sure there's. a biological uh term to describe the. process of maybe cancer the body eating. itself I mean it seems like the. structure set in place to protect the. country are now at war with the country.

I do have the sense that um the country. the structures and it's not even just. the country it's the west and you know I. view myself as very much a patriot of. the country but I'm also a patriot of. the West which I see the country as. having. um uh it's maybe it's slightly. overstated to say invented the concept. but um but in any case yes the West. appears to.

be sick with an. infection and again I don't want to drag. you into too much biology but um. everybody knows what a parasite is. there's also something called A. parasitoid and A paraso parasitoid is a. parasite that kills its host in the. process of doing its job and I'm. concerned that we may have a a. parasitoid that is actually um. [Music]. at least indifferent to the destruction.

of the United States and the west and is. acting accordingly so I know it's become. your life's work or part of your life's. work to figure out what exactly. that that entity is are you any. closer um I. suppose I am I mean maybe I'm I'm part. way and and that part. involves. I I now look at a map with much more.

skepticism that I understand what it. means that we have become so accustomed. to looking at. something like a nation like China and. thinking of it as an entity that behaves. in some way. and something about the. um the ease with which various power. structures interact suggests that we. I don't understand why my government is. behaving in a way that seems um to be.

sabotaging the interests of average. Americans but it is. undeniably um it seems to be acting on. behalf of our. enemies I don't know whether that could. conceivably be. because uh there's actually hostility I. doubt it but my guess is what there is. is just. a uh a rampant outbreak of immorality.

where people are willing to do whatever. is expedient and that has made the game. rather easy for um powers that be. elsewhere and I don't know I don't know. where the analysis becomes absurd I have. watched policy on the west. coast make the quality of life drop. spectacularly so that people are fleeing.

including wealthy people and I look at. wealthy people fleeing California for. example and I think something about this. story doesn't add up it's it's rather a. lot like building up a population with. too many males there's something else. that explains this because at the end of. the. day wealthy Elites are going to end up. with the best real estate so the fact. that they're fleeing either means that. which Elites are going to end up with. that real estate is about to switch. maybe this was a uh a real estate scam.

you know Malibu will always be occupied. by rich people it will but which rich. people yes and I wonder you know having. seen something that very much looks like. an Undeclared Invasion moving through. Central. America knowing that the chines Chinese. Communist Party thinks in terms of. long-term planning over the movement of.

people and. resources that our system uh we have. effectively opened the gates of the city. to anybody who's willing to pay uh to. corrupt our political. structures there is a story you could. tell in which the. CCP has a different understanding of. what the future of our country is than. most Americans do and and uh well let's. just put it this way maybe I'm imagining.

what I saw but if I'm not then all of. those Chinese migrants who don't want to. talk about what they're doing moving. into the. US they're going to do. something I don't know what it's going. to be but. um I don't know when we became so naive. about the fact that we have. uh there are parties abroad who do not. wish us well and would not mind at all.

seeing us um removed from our position. of power and who knows maybe you know. some of us displaced from the continent. we live on I can't say I mean China is. is literally the other side of the world. it's also not Haiti I mean there's. Economic Opportunity in China and but. there's also Economic Opportunity for. unemployed Chinese in the Philippines or. Vietnam m. it's not obvious that they would come to. the Darian Gap to get here well the.

Darian Gap is a very strange place to. have gone um for one thing as Chris. Martinson points. out the absurdity if we're going to. invite people in let's say let's say we. had decided that we didn't have enough. people to do labor and that it was. actually good for the us to bring in. large numbers of people from elsewhere. having people go through the the the. theater of marching through.

Daran is absurd and dangerous and it is. creating a humanitarian crisis in. addition to the environmental crisis. which is in Daran we're creating a. humanitarian crisis that's absolutely. needless either these people should be. welcomed because it's good for us to. bring them in exactly or they shouldn't. be there at all and the only purpose I. can think especially given that the. Chinese men of the Chinese I don't want. to say all there are Chinese people in. the other camps we saw that as well also.

not forthcoming about anything but um. the the only purpose I can think of. for coming to America via Panama is that. it allows them to blend with all of the. people who are coming from South America. it makes it hard to discuss but I can't. think of another reason to do it that. way it's at the very least wildly. inefficient is I mean these are such.

interesting and important questions but. they're also rooted in your personal. observation did you run into into any. journalists from Big newspapers or TV. channels when you were down there. absolutely not um which is also shocking. I mean this is emblematic of the era we. are living in. where the issues which obviously have. our well-being tied up in them. are hiding in plain.

sight it's not hard to see this story. all you need to know is where to go you. can go look at it and the fact that. that's not happening that our major news. organizations are disinterested in this. story again suggest a system that has. been corrupted across the board you. would imagine that even if the New York. Times didn't want to report this story. that some reporter with ambition would.

Chase it down anyway but so Universal is. the complicity here that nobody reports. it and if they do report it they report. it wrong they report it so that it leads. you to have a confused sense or a sense. that this is more minor than it is but. we're talking literally about millions. of people and millions of people is not. a minor issue you know in a country with. 300 million right this is a major. demographic shift one way or the other. yeah and a permanent one.

um did you what did you hear about the. cartels when you were done we hear a lot. about them in this country but in pretty. non-specific terms um we heard that they. were present and I don't think that's a. new phenomenon we also heard so there's. a lot of um what we would call coyotes. uh at our Southern border or called. snakeheads there's a lot of this going. on in Darion people are paying to have.

somebody Shepherd them through and that. often does not go. well um so they're present the cels. appear to be uh making a great deal of. money from this they're probably not. happy to have it discussed I don't know. what that implies. um but also I would point out. the farther north this migration.

obviously has a relationship with the. cartels the cartels are largely about. American demand for illicit substances. and a massive uncontrolled wave of. migrants is an obvious mechanism whereby. fentol and other things are entering the. US in an unmonitored way I mean and in. fact to the extent of they come in with. migrants you know we are apparently. facilitating their transport into the.

interior we're spreading them around and. um so what I can say is the cartels are. not directly Vis visible to uh a visitor. but their influence is felt and. discussed you're describing a lot of. different crimes happening. simultaneously. yep. what's the. solution well I mean and strangely it.

goes back to the idea of giving. ourselves permission to entertain all. kinds of possibilities even things that. are crazy and we have to ultimately. reject but we have to. um we have to not talk ourselves out of. noticing what is taking that's a. scientific principle is it not well you. know it's funny scientists don't. scientists are losing their way as well. and I think how science is done is um is. being forgotten and you know I I think I.

think we are actually literally in a. cryptic Dark Age now every dark age has. a small number of people I call them. keepers of the flame who do remember how. to do science and keep that knowledge. alive in one way or another but it's. time uh it's time to dust it off and. bring it out into the. mainstream and you know the toolkit for. figuring out what a story like this. means is not different from the toolkit. you use to figure out what's going on in.

a tropical forest it's hypothesis. testing and what you don't want you know. people have heard from me now they've. heard some things they may be shocked by. them you don't know this is one person's. view of what they saw what you really. want is many people to have seen it and. then you want them to pull their. understanding to point out what doesn't. make sense about one story one. explanation or another that that's the. process and the the fewer of us who are. on the case the worse we're going to do.

and that we should just expect that. so the first answer is just wake up. something is a foot that none of us have. seen before even to the extent that. there are echoes of historical processes. here much of this is is quite new I mean. for one thing a mass migration through a. dense J Le where people have been. informed about how to Transit it you. know by cell phone where money can be.

wired by Western Union to buy yourself a. bus ticket after you've been robbed by. bandits in in the forest right this is. this is this is some weird combination. of very low Tech and very. high-tech what percentage of the. migrants have. smartphones well I don't know but I my. guess is a lot much larger percentage. have them at the beginning of their Trek. than have them at the end in part that's. because of rampant theft yeah I talked.

to a uh a woman her name was Jen she's. Venezuelan she was a college student in. Venezuela and is fleeing the collapse of. her Society she was robbed of everything. she had in Darion I'm almost certain she. was raped I didn't ask her um but I told. her that I thought her had been more. perilous than she shared and she. confirmed that and I think we both knew.

what I was talking about um but in any. case she lost her phone um to Bandits. but the other thing that happens. is the exhaustion that people who are. unprepared for the Darion Gap experience. in struggling up these just mud doesn't. even describe it the clay in these soils. as such that you just just imagine. incredibly slippery uh faces uh you know. that are being drenched in rain on a.

daily basis people are so. exhausted um that they rid themselves of. the possessions that they thought they. would somehow bring through um you know. they they lose their shoes they drop all. of their possessions and they walk out. with nothing um so in any case I would. say. probably most of them have phones when. they when they Embark and I have no idea.

what the percentage that actually keep. what is it doing to the environment to. the landscape uh it's a catastrophe I. mean it's certainly going to be limited. at this point to the I think there are. three major routes through the Darian. Gap at the moment they are absolutely. littered with um trash and bodies and. it's apparently uh quite hellish in fact. Jen told me that on her. trk um she spoke pretty good English she.

said that she didn't see a single animal. I'm sure she meant mammal but the idea. of walking across. Darion and not seeing a single mammal. suggests that this is just absolutely. devastating now it's nothing compared to. what will happen if a road gets put. through roads have a very well. understood impact on a forest like this. once you have roads you're going to have. hunters and they're going to empty the.

forest you're going to have empty Forest. syndrome after that you're going to have. loggers they're going to be pulling out. all of these Priceless tropical. Hardwoods you're going to get miners who. are going to illegally go in there and. mine and leave big tailing piles and. toxins um it's it's a devastating impact. at the moment my guess would be that um. the forest is rescuable but the process. has to stop if it continues to go down.

this road uh it will be unsavable has. the government of Panama said anything. about this I mean it's their territory. um mostly they don't say anything and. what we were told was. that this. was kind of the deal that if they. ushered people through they facilitated. their movement then those people would. keep going and this is a a temporary. cost for. Panama um I think if the people of.

Panama thought that the migration was. going to stop and they were going to. have to absorb all of these migrants uh. there would be riots in the streets. that's my guess Panama's for other. reasons in rather uh perilous situation. um because after the Handover the. panamanians upgraded the canal um and. and they did so according to plans that. Americans had drawn up they put in a. third lane for boat.

traffic but the so every time a boat. transits the canal a huge amount of. water is lost in the process of uh. lifting and and lowering. boats when the Americans Drew up the. plans for a third lane which the. Americans did not complete the. panamanians now have it involved the. damning of a second river to provide. more water so that never. happened Panama is now in a drought and.

the drought combined with the massive. extra losses of water is resulting in. the Panama Canal um having greatly. reduced traffic which is a huge hit to. the Panamanian economy because each of. the ships that transits the canal uh. hands over a huge pile of cash to be. allowed to do it um and this is a major. piece of the Panamanian economy we're at. the beginning of the dry season I don't. know what's going to happen by the end.

of the dry season but uh it may go from. a greatly reduced number of transits per. day to I don't know could It Go To None. maybe which would be a a big hit to the. world economy actually this is why the. nicaraguans are considering completing. that Canal right the nicaraguans that. has been long under discussion for oh. 150 years yeah right so uh I don't know. if the nicaraguans are going to at the. moment the panamanians are using uh the. train that parallels the canal and. basically lots of ships are offloading.

their cargo onto a train and it's going. Overland to a ship on the other side um. so in any case Panama has a stability. problem of its own. and that combined with uh the hazard. posed by this migration and you know if. America closes the the door on this. migration where do these people. go so last question if you were to um I.

know that you will continue your journey. of inquiry in in this topic. but who where else would you go to get. answers to what exactly is. happening well if I if I was uh if I was. initiating an effort to figure out that. question I would bring the people who. have. navigated the story this far together. with uh whatever experts still exist on.

the various related topics I mean. frankly I would talk to Michael Yan. about all of the things that are. connected to this story all the things. you've seen all over the world he has a. very good sense for who the players are. and what he knows has to be brought. together with an understanding. of um. how these Dynamics might play out but I. have to say I'm not sure I don't know.

how much time we have again I don't know. if what I saw. implies a uh another shoe is going to. drop how many of these Chinese. Sleepwalkers have to end up in the US. before some other phase kicks off I. don't know I know some uh open-minded. people and I know some rigorously. rational people I know very few who.

combine those qualities as well as you. do and I just it was such a pleasure to. hear you talk so Brett thank you thank. you so much. Tucker free speech is bigger than any. one person or any one organization. societies are defined by what they will. not permit what we're watching is the. total inversion of. virtue.