Exorcist Fr. Chad Ripperger: Possessed Politicians, Occult Activity, and Speaking to Satan Himself

Father, thank you so much for doing this. Um,  thank you for having me. As a Protestant, uh, who grew up in Georgetown in part where The  Exorcist was filmed, I've uh, been trained from. birth to think of exorcism as something kooky that  the Latin church does for weird cultic reasons, not at all mainstream Christianity. And then,  you know, then you go and read the New Testament. That's right. And you realize that the first  miracle that Jesus performs in the Gospel of. Mark is casting out demons. And then he repeats  that continuously and commissions the apostles.

to do the same. And casting out demons is not  a just this random thing. It is central to the. gospels. That's right. 23% of the gospels are  actually about Christ dealing with demons. So, and this is why when you know Christians That's  unbelievable. How did I not know that? Yeah. Well, and a lot of the Christians will just say,  "Well, you know, I believe in God, but I don't. necessarily believe in the devil." And they're  like, "Well, do you believe in scripture?" Well, yeah. Well, then how can you not believe that  this is one of the primary missions of Christ.

was to to save us from them ultimately. Well, when  he sends the disciples, I mean, of course, this. is your life. This is all so new to me. I'm just  shocked by it. When he sends them out, it's like. preach the good news and cast out demons. Yes.  That's right. Like, that's that's the mission. That's right. So I just before we get into what  you've spent the last decades doing um casting out. demons, how is it that the modern church at least  in the United States, at least the Protestant. churches in the United States have so deemphasized  this to the point where it's disappeared? Uh I.

think there's a historical reason behind that. So  if you if you and it's not just uh here like in. the United States, it's actually in the West  in general, the Christian West specifically. And basically it had to do with the advent of  psychology. So when psychology came on board. uh it became invogue especially in the 50s and in  the 60s you just think that um that uh you know. that all these people's problems were just purely  psychological. I mean there are psychological. issues that very much look like that but the  fact is is that um so they just started chalking.

it up and that's one of the reasons why in the  United States um before the uh 1960s the number. of dascese that is the Catholic diocese that had  an exorcist was fairly high every major dascese. would have one um but then it started to decline  precisely based upon that thinking but then over. the course of time they began to realize well look  there are certain things we're seeing that are not. psychological and so they can't be explained in  that way and um people needed the help and so now. the bishops are coming a little bit more up to  speed in that regard. Well, yeah, after you know.

100 years of Freud, we still can't identify what  schizophrenia is. It does make you realize at the. very least we don't there are things we don't  understand that could very well be that's right. supernatural. Um so that does make you wonder  about the origins of of psychology though. I mean. if the net effect was to eliminate people's belief  in something real which is demonic possession then. yeah well I think that was only one aspect of  it. I think that the real goal of a lot of the.

um psychologists uh which is in the literature is  that many of them are atheists you know they just. didn't believe in God and so they they wanted to  eliminate any concept of anything supernatural or. what we call pradernaturals which is the demons  are pradernatural they're not supernatural. God. is the one that's supernatural. But we tend to  talk that way. Although sometimes people will just. say supernatural thinking about demons in that way  too. Can you for the ignorant like me explain the. difference between praaternal and supernatural?  So supernatural is those things which are above. anything that is created and that is pertains to  God. Whereas praatural comes from the Lat Prader.

and Nura which means aside from nature. So that  would be things that are above what we experience. as human beings in this world. But it's not  supernatural because it's not God. It's kind of. in that in between state which is what the demons  are. But they're still considered natural in the. sense of um they have a specific nature that God  created them with. They're created beings and that. they they actually have a natural law. They have  all the they they're structured to think in in.

certain patterns in certain ways. So it's kind of  a middle tier, but it's it's prader natural. Um. supernatural would be something like being able to  suspend the laws of nature, right? So demons can't. cause miracles for example, but they can cause  things that to us as human beings are outside our. normal experience. And so it looks miraculous, but  it's actually not. It's something that they can do. on their own. So I guess the good news about that  distinction is they're not all powerful. No, they. are not. In fact, um, demons are one of the most  regulated things in the universe really because.

uh, and they're regulated by three things. One,  as I mentioned, their natural law, their nature, they're structured a specific way. The second  thing is once the demons made their choice, their. will became fixed in a specific uh way. This is  one of the reasons why when you deal with them as. an exorcist, they almost seem obsessivecompulsive.  They're even when it goes bad for them, they'll. still tend towards that thing which they they  they chose um that the sin that they committed. And so they're very uh their tendency is towards  that. So they're fixed by that. And then but the.

main thing is if you remember in the gospels  Christ says to the apostles before he sends he. said all power was given to me on heaven and  earth. All power that means that demons even. know that they can't do anything without Christ's  permission. So in the spiritual warfare landscape, we know and this is as an exorcist, it actually  brings me a lot of confidence because I don't have. to worry about if you know if I if if if it turns  into the type of thing where I get shellacked a. little bit during a session or whatever the case  is, then I know Christ is still controlling and.

metering how much and what he can and cannot  do. And we know this too because if you remember. uh you you made the mention of it before when they  asked, you know, the demons actually approached. Christ to ask to go into the pigs. I was just  thinking that exactly. On the other side of the. lake. Yeah. So they can't even enter into the pigs  without his permission. And so nothing they do can. occur without their permission. And so Christ  has complete control over the spiritual land, the spiritual landscape, the the spiritual battle.  He has complete control over it. And so they they.

know what they can and cannot do. The first  time that actually really occurred to me was. um I had this one case where this demon um  because and when they take possession unless. it's a perfect possession but if it's a partial  possession they take possession of a part of the. body and from there they can affect the rest of  the person and so the demon was possessing this. woman's lower back and I asked I commanded him to  tell me why are you possessing that part he says. I don't know so I commanded why not why what do  you mean you don't know and he said when I entered. Christ restricted me to this part of the body  and that's when it made me realize he has control.

over everything, when they can manifest, how long  they can manifest, the kind of manifestation they. can actually do, how they can attack the person  that's possessed, that how they can attack us even. in our or ordinary temptations and things like  that. Uh, and in other ways, he regulates all. of it ultimately. And then you begin to realize  too over the course of time, it's ultimately for. our spiritual benefit. The experience is for  our spiritual benefit. Yes, I believe that.

Okay. So what are if you don't mind we can just  start at the beginning big picture. What are. demons? So um actually according to um uh Sudicius  and then also Thomas Aquinus and then the pretty. much the the the pretty much the whole theological  tradition uh from that time from Dianicius on um. basically held that um in the very beginning when  God created uh the what he did is he created the. entire hierarchy of angels instantaneously all at  once and these angels were create all the angels.

were created and they the the Thomas Aquinus  talks about what they call the three instances. uh of the angels. So when they were first  created they're under but how they understand. things is the opposite of ours. So when we want  to know something we'll actually study a number. of different individual things that are like that  so we can get a general sense and then from that. we'll abstract kind of a conceptual understanding  of what these things actually are what their. nature actually is. um with but that's because  we use our senses to come to know things right.

and this is why even as human beings we know that  if someone is in contact with their senses we know. there's something wrong with them right whereas  the demon the angels and also the demons are the. exact opposite all their knowledge was infused so  they know exactly what um the essence and nature. of every created thing that exists and this is  actually a diagnostic that you can use in session. because we get people that try and fake you  know fake that they're they're possessed and you.

There's variety of reasons why they do that.  And so we will uh one of the things is if you. ask them a technical theological or philosophical  question if it's a human being you can see they. have to think about it and then they'll kind of  reason their way through it. That's not how demons. work. They'll immediately give you the answer just  immediate. They'll just say it's X and they don't. have because they don't have to think because  for them all their knowledge is infused both. the the concepts but then as things occur. H have  you ever seen demons answer esoteric questions?

Yes. Yeah. I've actually there's been cases uh I  had a case uh it's one that I'm actually working. on right now where um the the demons in this  particular case have made theological distinctions. that there's no way this person could have ever  known those distinctions and that and they're. um let me give you an example. So uh he made the  distinction between consummatist and fenitim which. is a Latin phrase. So consummat is that the the  the sacrifice is complete. So in relationship to.

to um the sacrifice of Christ, he says consummat  and then he gives up his spirit. Right? So it's. completed. He's finally completed everything that  was necessary in order for our full redemption. and our full healing and all of that. But it's  not finished yet. The finishing occurs once he's. buried. So they have to take him down. Our lady  embraces him and then they put him in the tomb. Right? So that he made that distinction. And I'm  going to this is this is one of those indicators. that you're not going to see those kinds of  distinctions being made by a human being who.

has never studied theology in any sense. And  this is not a person who has no nothing. I mean. she finished high school and that's about it.  So seriously. Yeah. Yeah. And so, and there's. other times when they've made distinctions that  are just like, uh, in fact, one time, uh, in the. Catholic tradition, we actually believe our lady  was assumed into heaven because she was so pure. and so perfect, um, and sinless that God assumed  her body into heaven. Um, and so the uh, it was. the feast of that day and I was doing a a series  of exorcisms and I asked the demon, I said, uh,

or I commanded him to tell me. Um, I mentioned the  fact that this was her um, a moment of greatest. glory and he just looks at me flatly, which demons  lie all the time, but you know, they're telling. the truth. There's ways we can ferret that out,  too. But they'll just give you a pan. They'll pan. they'll just pan you and just say, "No, that's  not how that works." Right? And I said I said, "What was it then?" He said, "It was her moment of  great triumph. She had gone through life without. committing sin and now she's entering into heaven  triumphant." I said, 'W was it crowning of heaven,

a queen as heaven and earth because we  believe that as Catholics. And he says, 'N no, that was her moment of greatest honor. I'm like,  okay, that makes sense because honor is praise. or recognition for excellence. And so God was  recognizing her excellence in this way. And I so I. finally just commended to me, but what was it? He  said, standing under the cross in perfect virtue. Later he revealed that the uh that he said other  than the actual passion and death of Jesus Christ,

he said it was the most glorious event in all of  history. The demon said that. The demon said that. So what's in your toothpaste? If you're using the  brand you grew up with, you probably don't want. to know. The ingredients likely include fluoride,  something called SLS, glycerin, foaming agents. It's a chemical cocktail. Van man's toothpaste is  different. Their miracle toothpowder is changing. everything and people are ditching traditional  toothpaste filled with chemicals by the thousands.

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um a voice that is proper to their nature. And so  um Thomas Aquinus makes the observation that the. way they manifest. So one of the ways that you  know you're dealing with something that's demons. we call it morphing. The person will actually  change shape. to their continents or their face. will change and then um I mean it takes on the  characteristics that are proper to the demon's. personality. You've seen people's faces change.  Uh morphing is about 90% of what you see. What are. the changes like? Uh it it's it's very subtle all  the way from um just recently I prayed over a a.

rather prominent individual. Um and when I looked  at him after the prayers, it can be something very. subtle where um it's just they they there's a  complexion that in the writers and the authors. they call it the cherrywood look where they they  take on this face where their face turns like this. cherrywood color that's impossible for us as human  beings to have or replicate on a natural level. cherrywood. Cherrywood. It's kind of like this  red brown color that you just you're like, "Yeah, that's not a natural color." So, it'll  be everything from something very subtle like.

that all the way to complete morphing where  they change into the shapes of animals. Um, one case actually there's been a couple of cases  I've had where women very feminine looking all of. a sudden morph into it looking like completely  like a man. So, you see these are some of those. the the morphing while you're sitting there. Uh,  while you're praying usually is when it actually. ends up happening. And you look down and the woman  you're praying over is now a man. Looks like a. man. Yeah. And it's not just me seeing it because  we have a team that's there present at the time um.

for a variety of different reasons. They provide  different functions, but um and they'll very often. see the same thing. So they they're all seeing the  same thing. Have you seen people's pupils change? Yes, that's pretty common. So to the the a lot of  times they'll uh hyperdilate and turn very black. or um they'll uh they'll another more common thing  I don't see it too often but um because certain. exorcists will see some things much more regularly  than others um but they'll a lot of times their. eyes will roll all the way into the back of their  head so they just all you see is white so you'll.

see those. So those are the kinds of things that  you actually see. But um but the the morphing is. one of the we call it one of the pradernatural  signs that you know someone's possessed. You know. they're possessed. How do their voices change?  Um there's two charact there's two things that. they change. A lot of times they'll change uh  in just the tone. They'll start sounding like. a man sometimes. Now once in a while the demons  will use the person's own vocal voice. And so. um and part of the reason they want to do that  is because they they don't want you to hear what.

the characteristics of their own voice. And the  reason I say that is because of the fact that. um an experienced exorcist. It's like it's like a  boxer. You know, when you box, when you get into. the ring, you can watch all sorts of videos about  this guy's technique. It's not until you get in. the ring and box with this guy that you actually  get a sense of, okay, this is what this guy is. actually like. So the reason the demons don't want  to attack you, especially if you're an experienced. exorcist, is based on the a philosophical  principle, which is the cause is always some way.

in the effect. So anytime they attack you, they  reveal something about themselves in that process. and then you can use it against them later. So as  an experienced exorcist, they really don't want. to get involved with you. Although a lot of times  Christ still requires them, but they they don't. want to they don't want to attack you because then  once they attack you, you know, you can find out. what his what his psychology is, what his patterns  of thinking are, etc. when he when he's attacking. you. How how do they attack you? One is the uh  is the oppression where they attack you from the.

outside. The other one is is that uh it's not  obsession in the proper sense because obsession. is something that's ongoing. But what they'll do  is they'll um they have the ability to affect our. imagination and our emotions. So a lot of times  what they'll do is when they attack the exorcist, they'll put a perspective on an image and your  imagination. So for example, uh you know a guy. when he's first married, he thinks his wife is  wonderful. He gets all this emotional delight. cuz our emotions are moved by what's in our  imagination, the perspective specifically. So when.

he's first married, she's wonderful. She's great.  I love my wife. Look how beautiful it is. She just. brought me a beer. Isn't that wonderful? You know,  etc. Then after 10 years, his perspective on her. changes because they've had fights and things of  that sort. And so when he sees her, even though. she hasn't changed, his perspective on her and so  his emotional response changes. Well, demons can. put that perspective on your imagination. So they  can actually do that. And this is one of the ways.

that they can actually uh uh affect relationships.  In fact, the first thing they ever do in a in a. marriage is they try and put a perspective uh  on one of the spouses or both of the spouses to. to psychologically divide the people. So they the  person thinks they see something bad in the other. spouse when they there that's it's actually  not there. So but anyway that what they'll do. is when they attack the exorcist they'll put that  perspective on your im image and your imagination. But that perspective then tells me something about  his psychology. So I've written three books or.

four books actually in um psychology from the  way St. Thomas Aquinas understands it right. So. uh and developed it based upon that. It does  incorporate a lot of the stuff in modern. psychology but it actually gives a foundation  to it based on an authentic anthropology and. not just some wacky view that we have as of human  beings. And so what I be when the first time I was. an started to be an exorcist, I just started  watching the psychological patterns of demons. because I figured well they have a natural law.  In other words, each demon has its own natural.

law that it's inclined to specific things and not  to others. So as human beings, we have a natural. law because we're inclined toward things like  marriage, eating, living in community and society. and that type of thing. So we have an we have a  set of inclinations that God placed in us. Demons. have that same thing except theirs is tailored  to their specific nature because each demon's. nature is different. Their species in technically  speaking is different. And so that's why in in a. in a session when they manifest when one demon  comes to the four and the other one leaves,

the morphing will change to accommodate that. And  so you immediately know, okay, I'm dealing with. this guy rather than that guy. And actually after  you've dealt with the same demon over and over. again, you can do a session and just start out on  a new case. And if once he manifests, you're like, you recognize who he is. You'll see the same demon  in different people. Yes. Yeah. How many So this I. have so many questions. I I hope you're prepared  for a long interview. Um this brings us back to. my initial question before I sidetracked you with  too many other questions, which is what are they.

and where are they from? So they're basically pure  spirits. They don't have a body. They can act upon. us who have bodies and they can act upon physical  things, but they don't have a body. So they're. pure spirits. They only have two faculties, an  intellect and a will. They don't have emotions, but they experience emotions in their will. So,  when they were first created, the entire hierarchy. of angels, and they're in the billions, cuz it's  it's actually part of the um theological tradition. that every human being um has their own guardian  angel. And that's from the lowest rank because.

there's nine of them, nine choirs. They have  the lowest uh that's just from one of them. So, there's literally billions of these, but they're  all created instantaneously at once. And then. according to the theological writers that meant  that that they were created into a perfect state. of knowing because as I mentioned before they they  just have to think about something use their will. to move their mind to think about something and  they immediately exhaust everything that they can. possibly know about that thing to the degree of  their intelligence. That's why when you ask them.

questions as I mentioned before they never think  about it they just give you the answer. So they. it because they don't have to sit and reason  it out. They just immediately know it. So that. first instance they they were created in an act  of knowing and that meant they knew who God was, who they were, what their nature was, what he  was asking of them as an assigned task because. God every single angel that was created was given  an God created him to perform a specific task. And. so for example, Gabriel was was basically created  his task was to do the enunciation to our lady. So.

and we see Michael um St. Michael, his originally  assigned task is um according to the to the the. theological tradition is that he's actually  the guardian angel of the elect. That's why. he was originally the guardian angel of the Jew  Jewish religion. But then once they apostasize and. they and because they refused to accept Christ, he  then became the guardian angel of the elect of the.

Christian religion. So that he he became the and  that's al that's also why we read in scripture in. the book of revelation St. Michael was given the  power by God to cast the demons down from heaven. after they fell because his goal was to protect  the elect that were in heaven. And so that was his. function. So they're all given an assigned task.  Okay. So they know all these things. They also. know all about the angels behind us. They also  know what Satan or at the time Lucifer is being. tempted with as far as his fault because so they  were created in this state and then they have this.

uh this act of knowledge. That's their first  instance and then there's a concommmitant act. of will of delight. They see how magnificent  God's creation is and how beautiful it is. Then they have to make their choice. Are you  going to do what God is asking or not? Now in. that choice there's something very specific that  has to happen. they there is some perfection that. they see that is above them that they have to be  willing to let go of otherwise the uh otherwise.

they're in order to to perform their task  otherwise they're going to be damned if they don't. basically they have to be willing to let go says  and basically and even under duress in session. you can you can compel the demons they'll they'll  admit it that their first sin even though it was. usually pride or envy of some sort because that  envy there was some perfection that someone had. um that they uh their first sin was pride or envy  but they failed to sacrifice that thing that they.

wanted. They literally wanted something that God  had not intended for them. And so uh and this is. why at the core of it um uh Thomas Aquinus makes  an observation. And he says in the end there's. one thing that God wants from every intelligent  creature and that's sacrificing his will to God. to him to to him. So then that meant they had  to accept their their their task which was below.

this perfection. So they had to accept this this  lower test but then so then they made their choice. and because unlike us you know Tucker as general  rule human beings are pretty stupid. Yeah. And so. that's Yeah, exactly. That's why God has mercy  on us, right? Because you're just like, man, this guy's just clueless, right? And so, uh, and  because a lot of then basically that just means. that we don't have full knowledge of what we're  doing. The demons had absolute pure knowledge. So. when they made their choice, it was unadulterated  malice. They they knew that God even gave them the.

grace to to accept their task, but they absolutely  refused to accept it. the the the the third of. the angels that fell because we know that from  the book of Revelation where it talks about how. the the dragons swept a third of the uh stars  down and that's the the fathers of the church. say that that was a an indicator that a third of  the angels fell and became demons as a result of. it. So the demons are actually fallen angels whose  will is now fixed. So once they make their choice, it's allin. You know, it's not half-hearted. No,  they it's a full choice. They're either going to.

accept God's will or they're not going to do it.  And then the third instance is right after that. then if they refuse to accept their task then  they're damned immediately. So they immediately. experience what we call in the Catholic theology  the pain of loss. They immediately experience I'm. never going to see God. I'm never going to see  him. And that's where our ultimate happiness is. So they know they're going to be miserable. Plus  they have remorse of conscience and all those. things because they're intelligent creatures. And  um and and but then of those who were faithful.

then they immediately got to see God. And then of  course we read from scripture there was a battle. that ensues which is a battle of the wills in  heaven because that's all they have is intellect. and will. They battle through their wills but  then at a certain point God said that's enough. and then he sends St. Michael to to cast him down.  So the the it's a long-winded way of saying that. basically demons are fallen angels who are now  bent on malice and evil. We are strongly pro-. dog on this show. We make no secret that dogs are  one of the great blessings of this life. And to.

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Yeah. No, that that's correct. I mean, under  the under those you would see um uh you know, sometimes we say the true, the good, and the  beautiful is what they work against. Yes. Um. and truth, I'm sorry. Truth is the obvious one.  Yeah. So, they they'll they'll mitigate against. that and that's part of that perspective, putting  those perspectives on you so that you don't judge. the reality, the situation, the truth of what  it really is. I mean the historic definition. of truth is the adequation of intellect to thing  that my mind conforms to the way the thing is in.

reality and we know this intuitively if somebody  is telling us you know that that this wall over. here is purple you look at it and it's brown  you're like no it's not so you know that there's. something wrong cuz their mind isn't in congruity  with reality they don't know the truth about that. well what they do is they try and jade your  perspective on the reality of the situation and. that's how they cause damage among human beings  and relationships and marriage which is one of the. things are majorly under it. They're attacking  now a lot of they're doing a lot of marriages.

Um so um but basically their goal is to get us to  um commit sin and basically uh place ourselves in. this point where we're damned as a result of what  we do. Are there you said recently we're seeing. a lot of attacks on marriages that suggests there  are cycles in behavior of demonic in the behavior. of demons. uh there is in the sense that because  the uh as I mentioned that the natures of things. are infused in them but also every physical  or every individual thing that's happening.

throughout the universe is infused in their mind  as it happens. So if they want to know what's. going on in Saturn they just think of Saturn and  boom they see what's going on there. It's the same. thing with this. If they want to know what we're  talking about all they have to do is think about. the the concept of humanity and look inside of  that and see us as individuals of human beings. and then they can see what we're actually talking  about. That's how they that's how their mode of. knowing is. This is why they they they can't  they they can't be an error about things. Even. the demons are not erroneous. A lot of times when  you can trick them, it's because they're basing.

their choice or their their things on the most  likely thing based upon what you said. They're. not in error about what you said. They're just  in may they may not know what your intention is. Okay, this is I'm talking about like in session,  but anyway, the point being is is that they um. they basically are uh they go through phases where  their goal is ultimately to destroy the Christian. religion. That's their goal ultimately because  they know deep down that is the religion that.

Christ established. Period. And so, um and it's  so obvious. Yeah. I mean, I didn't even I still. don't understand most of this, but I just watching  the intent of almost everything. Well, say the US. government does. Um, it's aimed at Jesus. Yeah. Or  even the mainstream news media. I mean, a lot of. times they're just they're, you know, you can talk  about anything about Christ. Although that dynamic. has changed a little bit more recently, a little  bit, but generally it's Christianity that's under. attack. You can be any other religion you want.  You can believe anything, do anything you want,

but don't whatever you do, don't be Christian.  Yeah. Yeah. And especially don't use the J word. except as an epithet. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Um  Yeah. No, I it I came to this backwards just sort. of noticing like hm I see a pattern here. What  is this? Uh that's how I got interested in this. topic. But um so do you think the United States  specifically where you live is under greater. demonic attack than it has been? Um historically  yes. And I and I I usually tell people this.

particular aspect of it. So under Satan, this  is the this has been the common experience of. exorcists for centuries that under Satan there's  five demons and they're called by different names. like the council, the generals, but they're their  job is to execute the plans of Satan that he wants. done in this life. The first one is Ball who is  the spirit of fornication, the spirit of impurity. So when the in the United States when they shot  down the um uh they shot down the anti-fornication.

laws and they basically you know and then plus  you have all the problems with pornography and. that type of thing is free freedom of uh excuse me  freedom of ex of expression and all that once they. allowed that they seated the territory to ball  after ball and we get this from St. Paul he says. well if people give into lust then eventually men  start sleeping with men and women start sleeping. with women. So the next three, the first one is  Asmadeus, which is he's a demon of impurity, but. he's uh specifically the demon of homosexuality  in men. So if you what's his name? Asodos. Asos.

Yeah. As modius is sometimes how you hear it  pronounced as well. So he um so if in cases of. possession um if you if you have a guy that has  is possessed and he's had homosexual experience, it's a pretty good bet that Asthma is one of  the one of the possessors. Do you call him. by name? Yes, at a certain point, in fact, the  ritual that the church has us do tells you to. ask the names. And the reason you want the names  is because once you know the name of the demon,

um, you can actually know a bit about his history  because these guys are throughout history, right? So, you can actually go and read there's mentioned  actually in scripture. You can also study like for. example the the demon ISIS. you can actually  study the um the history of the Isis cult and. you'll actually understand certain aspects of his  personality because he engendered it. Um one of. the more recent ones I had more recently was the  uh was the demon Loki who's a demon of mischief. And so once I found once I got the name out of  him, I went and researched Loki. And this this.

demon was a spit image of this spitting image  of this of this uh of um of the the mythology. behind this guy. I getting him under control was  very difficult. Okay, so all that being what does. it mean mischief? He was just constantly trying  to create havoc and um you know he's a bit of a. jokester and he just doesn't want to obey commands  and he just you know and so it was very difficult. to get him to be compliant in relationship to  doing what he's supposed to do. And and what.

were the problems that the person possessed  by this demon was experiencing? Uh excessive. religiosity. Really? Yeah. What does that mean?  It means in the sense of doing things that's. actually spiritually harmful them under the guise  of religion. Huh? So like for example uh fasting. fasting excessively or praying to the point where  you're neglecting your duties that you're supposed. to be doing your duties of your state in life  that type of thing. And so because Christ expects.

like for you as a father God expects you hey you  got to be taking care of your kids. Well this is. something Jesus lectured the Pharisees about.  You said you're ignoring your parents because. you said this exactly this wealth goes to God.  That's right. That's exactly right. And it's the. same thing. So you can get people um the way we  say see it a lot is you'll get married women who. will spend all their time at church and they're  neglecting their family at home. For example, um and that's the product of a demonic attack.  It's uh it can be in the sense that the demons can. begin to foster through temptation. You can they  can foster that type of thinking that I'm doing.

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was a I actually had a case that had the noonday  devil mentioned in Psalm 91 as a possessor. And. um uh once I found out who he was, I went and  I researched in the fathers. Who is this guy? It's very fascinating. He's actually the demon  of the midlife crisis according to the this is. the fathers of the church. You know, the guys that  were around after the apostles all the way up to. about 800 referred to him as the demon of the  midlife crisis. but he's also the demon of um. Achadia or spiritual sloth. So once I found out  uh who he was, I started but then during one of.

the sessions this um after the sessions will often  talk to the people that are possessed and say did. what did you experience because a lot of times the  demon will um communicate to the person or um what. they're experiencing. The exorcist won't see it  or hear it but the person is experiencing what the. demon is often going through. And so he said,  "Well, uh, the, uh, the mid the noonday devil.

kept crying out to Asthmade." Asus, as now, this  is a guy that was married to a beautiful young. wife with two children. And I said, "Do you have  homosexual ideation?" And he says, "Yeah, and I. don't know where it's coming from." He didn't have  the trauma that's normally associated with guys, didn't have all that, you know, he didn't have the  psychological history. did. So I did a prayer to. sever the connection between the noonday devil  and asthma and boom from that point on I never. had the ideation again. Now I'm not suggesting  that all homosexuality is diabolic. I'm just.

saying that cuz people can become homosexual  through psychological there's a psych whole. psychology behind it. But um but the demons can  drive those kinds of thoughts. You know you'll get. guys who are normal heterosexual men and all of a  sudden they'll just out of the blue they'll get a. thought about something like that. Well, that's  not your thought, you know, that's that's that's. usually something that's diabolic. The difficulty  we're having in our culture, though, is that we're. we're forming perverts basically. We keep putting  we keep putting stuff on the news media and then,

you know, like on YouTube and that type of thing  where we're making these associations between. this thing and that thing and over the course of  time, people's minds begin formed by that and so. they're becoming perverted in the process where  they automatically presume if a guy's unmarried, he's got to be gay. You know, that kind  of a thing. Well, that may may or may. not necessarily be the case. So, we making those  associations. Okay. In women, there's two demons. of homosexuality. The first is um Lilith, who  is um of the more passive feminine uh kind of.

homosexual women. These are women that you look at  them, you're like, you seem like a pretty decent. looking gal. Why don't you just go get a guy?  You know, that type of a thing. So, these are. women that they're not they're not acrimonious.  They're very very passive, more seductive side. of things. Um, the other one is Leviathan. And  Leviathan is the demon of homosexuality in women. of the more aggressive kind. My nickname for  him is the women who are heavy on the heels, right? Yeah. Yeah. So these are the the butchie  women that are very, you know, masculine actually.

So they you'll see that kind of a that phenomenon  actually happen. So then I tell people when they. when they actually uh when they actually allowed  gay marriage they seated our country to that tier. of diabolic influence and then the last one is  there's some debate whether it's Moolik or Balf. because exorcists have different experiences of it  but Balfomet is is um the primary demon although. uh Mullik is also a demon of child sacrifice but  Balfame is the demon of child sacrifice abortion.

So when they when they allowed abortion in this  country, so you have those those five generals. now basically have a gainsay over our country. And  so their influence is extremely powerful. And we. know this just by virtue of the fact like to try  and get rid of abortion is like extracting teeth. without novocaane. It's just so brutal, difficult  to get done. And that's because the demons empower. the people that are keeping it in place because  they the demons love abortion. Basically,

it's interesting that child sacrifice seems to  be a feature of most religions really around the. historically around the world. Like there's almost  no region in the world that um we haven't found. evidence of of human sacrifice, child sacrifice.  Yeah. So clearly there's something real there. It's not That's right. It's like the the Incas,  you know, and the some central African tribe. didn't kind of come up with this because they  were talking to each other on the internet. That's. right. There's something organic and real about  it. What is that? Well, I think it's the it's the. tendency of demons towards those specific things.  But but do the people who participate in child.

sacrifice, whether it's abortion or voodoo or muti  in Africa or whatever, do they receive power from. demons? Some of them do actually, but usually  in order for them to receive power from it, usually it's the opposite. They become a subject  that there's a subjection now that they're under. the demons as a result of engaging that behavior.  There are certain people that are intentionally. involved in the occult arts that engage in these  specific things to empower themselves. Yes,

for sure. Very common. Yeah. And it's and it's  and it's it's exploding, you know. But does it. work in the short term? I mean, does so so the  trade is in Haiti, in Africa here, Sania. Yeah. The trade is I pledge allegiance to a demon and  in exchange I receive power, wealth, right? Does. that work? Um so the technical term for that is  a patch. You enter into a patch with a demon, right? Yes. Now a pact is a form of contract and  there's certain uh aspects of a contract. And so.

one of the aspects of a contract is there has to  be a guarantee that you can fulfill the terms of. the contract. You know, like for example, if  you if if you enter into a contract for some. guy to mow your lawn, but he doesn't even own a  lawn mower and he's never going to bother buying. one. Well, then he can't fulfill the terms of the  contract. The problem with the demons is because. they're subject completely to Christ and cannot do  anything unless he allows it, they can't guarantee. they can fulfill the terms of the contract. So  what that basically means is is that because of.

the disordered act of entering into the patch,  you can still become subject to them, but they. may or may not be able to deliver on their side  of the contract. So I've had a case of possession. or more than one but uh where they entered into  a pact with the devil and the devil couldn't give. them anything but the person ended up possessed  as a result of entering into that patch and. destroyed. Um fortunately these the these people  climbed out of it because they actually sought. the help and did what they needed to do in order  to become liberated from the diabolic influence.

But a lot of people just become destroyed. There  are times however though that that God will allow. the demons to fulfill the terms of the contract.  Now, what most people think is is that they think, "Oh, well, the demon's doing what I'm asking him  to do." You know, and but what they don't realize. is each individual time he does what they ask,  they become more subject to him, and it becomes. harder and harder to get out from underneath that  subject. They're acrewing debt. Exactly. How did. you get into this? I was minding my own business.  I was I was an I'm a I'm an academic, you know,

because I I had um was teaching in um in a in  a seminary at the time and a case in the arch. dascese of Omaha came up and they didn't have an  exorcist and naively I just told the Darch Dascese. I said we'll get one, you know, and just find some  pri at that time there were only 13 exorcists in. the country and about five knew what they were  doing. So um there so there was very very few.

um and so the eventually they ended up asking  me to do it because I had written a book in. psychology where I had consulted with a number of  different exorcists to deal with the interchange. between how demons affect us psychologically cuz  there are specific patterns that you'll begin to. see that are distinguished from something that's  just pure mental illness as opposed to something. that's purely diabolic which is different  from the intramix because there so you know. If you like if you not saw the movie Nefarious,  that's that interchange between the human and the.

diabolic psychology that you saw. Um but anyway,  so they asked me to do the um uh to do the case. And so uh once I agreed to do it, um and it had  to do with the fact that when the when the case. was diagnosed, it it uh the demon manifested to  me the first time because the pastor I was with. asked me to pray over this guy. So I did and boom,  he immediately manifested. The demon did. And that. was an indicator that usually when demons will  manifest in relationship to a priest, it's an. indicator that that's the priest that's going to  liberate usually. Um, and that's because demons.

are very tuned to the power structure. And so they  know this is the guy that Christ is intended for. me to, you know, take their slacking from. So I  started being their exorcist. I did that for about. 2 years. Um, and then I was actually moved to take  care of a a problematic parish um to clean it up. Um but I continued doing exorcisms for the arch  dascese of Omaha and and a and one other and a.

couple of other dascese actually um again because  there was virtually nobody was available. And then. in 2011 arch uh a bishop Slatterie of Tulsa asked  me to found a society of priests that this is. exclusively what we do. We only do exorcism work.  We don't do parish work. um you know I do lecture. publicly but primarily about this particular area  to inform the people about what they can do to. keep themselves protected. So that's how I kind of  got drugg into it and so I've been doing exorcisms. for about 18 years. So when you started there  were five capable exorcists you said. How many.

are there now in the US? Well right now there's  probably about 130 to 140 exorcists that are u. mandated or um named by their bishops. But out of  that 140, maybe only about 20 to 25, I would feel. comfortable sending someone knowing that they're  going to get the help they actually need. Cuz. this is, uh, historically in the Catholic Church,  this was done by mentorship. So, uh, even though. I've written a book, um, on diabolic influence,  that's the academic side, but you have to sit in.

on session and see how you actually have to handle  these guys because you're basically handling like. a piece of nitroglycerin. you know, you can talk  to them about don't do this and don't do that, but. they actually have to see it. And so there was a  mentorship. Well, that mentorship collapsed in the. 50s, which we talked about before. Um, and so now  we're getting that back up off the ground. And so, um, the a lot of the guys haven't been under  that a good mentorship, and that's why there's. so few that actually are very proficient at  the clinical exorcists kind of. Yeah. Yeah.

Like practicing. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Um  yeah, it sounds like a potentially dangerous job. Yeah. Okay. So that's a very good observation.  Um the way it works is so the church actually. has it's it's called the prennotanda or the not  which is basically a series of dos and don'ts, right? Um but there's also ones that's also part  of part of the mentorship too is to be trained. Look there's there's there's a set of guard rails.  If you stay in your lane and you don't get out of.

that lane theologically by doing something that's  theologically dafted or it's bad, you're you're. relatively safe. You're not going to you're not  nothing grave is going to happen to you. Now, it doesn't mean that you don't get beat around a  little bit. You're stepping into a boxing ring, right? And so the uh and that's why they'll a lot  of times they'll afflict you with certain thoughts. or they'll do certain things to um to uh like  try and affect your health and things like that. But that's one of the reasons why this society of  priests that I started, we are semi-contemplative.

We pray 3 to four hours a day. And we pray  primarily um to uh in addition to maintain that. unity with Christ because as long as you stay with  Christ, you're safe. It's when you try to branch. out on your own or you think that it's actually  not that it's that it's you liberating these. people and not Christ, that's when you're going to  get taken to the woodshed. And so what we do is is. we um we pray through to and it deals with all the  different kinds of diabolic influence. everything. from normal temptation to oppression to obsession  um to keep us to keep us protected. So we have a.

specific set of prayers to create um a protection  by keeping us under Christ and keeping that. protection in place. So if you do it, if you stay  in your lane, you're relatively safe. It doesn't. mean that you like I said, you're not going to get  you're going to get beat around a little bit, but. uh the good news about that is is it also the  first two years of the exorcist is the worst. And the reason being is is because the demons  are probing and testing every single area of. your weakness. And they know your weaknesses are  because they've been watching you your whole life.

And so they they'll start picking at certain areas  of your of your uh moral weaknesses and things of. that sort or even psychological tendencies that  may not be necessarily healthy. And they'll start. picking at those things. And so you have to  really shore those up in a in a in a hurry. because otherwise you're going to get taken you're  going to get taken down. And I've seen a lot of. priests actually that became exorcists initially  who didn't get that cleaned up and did get taken. down. So you have to be very I believe that. Yeah.  So you have to really stay in your lane and you.

know do everything you can to eradicate any defect  spiritual, moral or otherwise that you might have. It's it's very obvious to me that uh demonic  forces go after Christian leadership. Yes. It's. one of the reasons so many of them are rotten.  Um I feel sorry for them. and also leadership in. general like our the US Congress has a much higher  incidence of diseased personal lives. That's. right. Than the American population and that's not  an accident because they have authority. Does I.

mean that's just what I've noticed. Do you think  that's true? Oh, I think that's absolutely true. I mean, as far as the Christian leaders, a lot of  times what happens is a lot of times they'll start. out with good intentions, but then when they get  to that position of power, it attracts the demons. because for demons, they they uh because they're  cut off from God, they're no longer have grace. They no longer they don't even know the economy of  grace. And by that I mean in the sense they don't. even know what helps that God is going to give to  different people to get their lives together and. that they have no access to any of that knowledge.  They don't have any of that. They don't have um. they hate each other. They can't stand each other.  So they don't even have the common they hate each.

other. Yeah. They completely hate each other.  And so yeah. And so as a result of that they. can't they have the only reason they get along is  because they have a common end which is to take. us down. Right. Man, you're describing people I  know. Well, I'm getting there. That's a whole I'm. getting there. So, so the only thing that's left  with the demons is because they were created in. a hierarchy. So, how intelligent they are, they  have a will that's proportionately intelligent, is strong to that intelligence. And different  demons have different degrees of intelligence. And.

so, basically what that means is is that um their  will, one demon's will is stronger than another. So, in hell, there's only one thing that's left  and that's raw power. And so what happens is is. but there it's also but that power is melded with  malice and selfs servitude and that type of thing. And so what happens is is that when you see people  that go into positions of power that attracts the. demons because they know if I can get control  of this guy then I can um uh I then then I can.

basically use his power that he has to cause all  this other damage or to take other people down. That means there's two that so as I mentioned you  know a lot of the Christian leaders they go with. the right intentions but when you're talking about  politics or in in the civil affairs where power is. involved um sometimes people go in it with the  right intentions but then they get corrupted. afterwards because the demons start when you  get that high profile the demons are going to. be really spending a lot of time and energy trying  to take you down. But the other side of it is too.

is that and we've seen this even in the Catholic  church they'll get the wrong types of people into. positions of authority. they they know this  particular person has this defect. They'll. give the person the inspiration, you should go  into politics. You should you you you could you. should rule. You should be the governor. And so  then they'll incline the person to go into that. governorship knowing that because of this person's  um psychological compatibility with them with the. demons that they can manipulate this person  to cause all sorts of damage. Man, have I seen.

that a lot. I mean, you must watch the news with  your jaw open because you know what's happening. I watch the news from a distance because it's  almost like being in session like oh I just saw. that this afternoon you know really. Yeah. In  fact that's actually one of the that's actually. one of the reasons that's actually one of there's  two two things that I think you find interesting. I actually did a series on how communism and  diabolic psychology are identical. When you strip. the veneer away of it one being political and  the other one being um from the spirit world. We.

throw that veneer away. The patterns of thinking  are exactly the same. But uh is that true? Yeah, it is. It is. C can you that's worth lingering on  for a moment. Can can you describe what you see as. similar between Yeah. the way demons behaved and  the way that the Bolsheviks behaved? Yeah. I mean, well, we see it even happening in our own  country in the sense that demons always. present a temptation as this pie in the  sky great thing that you're going to get. and you're going to get all this pleasure and  joy and everything's going to turn out right.

This dog's got an itch. There you go. Um but  they'll they'll present it as you know this. is a great thing. You're going to get this  pleasure. You're going to get this. You're. going to get power. You're going to get but then  but then once once they get and so then you give. into the temptation and then from there they take  you down. It's the exact same thing in in in uh in. communism. They it's a pie in the sky thing. We're  going to have nirvana because you know nobody's. going to have to you know there's not going to  be any uh private property. You're never going to.

have to worry. The government's going to provide  everything. everything's going to be peaceful and. joyful and it's because of capitalism that there's  all these wars. You know, it's it's they sell you. a bill of goods. They get you to sign off on  it and then from there they take you down. And. that's exactly what the communists do. This is  one of the reasons why one of the patterns with. in relationship to uh to um politicians in this  country that are clearly communist. I always watch. I said you can just watch the pattern. They'll  start out idealistic, but I always tell people,

give them a couple years and you're going to see  the malice. Oh, yeah. And that's what you see. Hurting people. Yes. Exactly. Because And they  think it's justified to achieve this good thing. in the end. But here's another one. And you see  that exact pattern of behavior in demons. Yeah. In forms of temptation when they diabolically  obsess people about certain things. You know, obsession is where the the demons besiege their  imagination and their emotions to such a degree. that the person can't really think outside the  box. Oh man, who hasn't been there? Yeah. Well,

that's it. And this is one of the reasons why. But  from that, you can self liberate just where you're. just totally distracted all the time because  you're focused on this one thing. Usually it's. lustreated, but not always. Sometimes it's greed  related or right. And what a lot of times the way. you know it's diabolic is if it's if it's  from yourself, you can usually like, okay, I got to put that side effect. And then you go on.  But when it's from the demons, you'll kick it out. and it comes back. You kick it out and it comes  back and you just and you it's it's kind of this. battle of just trying to keep that thing at bay.  Being angry at people. Yes. Envy. Yeah. Another.

sign of diabolic obsession is it'll switch on and  it'll switch off without any external stimulus. You'll wake up in the morning just tort. You're  like, why am I mad? You know, or something will. happen and you're just like why am I sad or why  am I angry at this particular person etc. And so. one of the one of the forms of diabolic uh when  they when they affect people psychologically, you see this even with like people getting  fired for no reason whatsoever because the. demons step in and say, "Hey, you got to get rid  of this person, right?" Put a perspective that. there's something wrong with this person. Then  you go back afterwards after the person's gone,

you ask like if you have the highest rated show  in TV and all of a sudden they fire you one day. Yeah. Exactly. That's Well, no, but that's I  shouldn't have said that. Sorry. Well, yeah, but I mean, but it it it's proof though that the  demons, anybody that is starting to get a little. too close to how the demons are functioning in  society or in corporation or whatever the case is, you start getting and you start really seeking  the truth regardless of the personal cost. Then's. like, we got to get this guy out of here. And then  the technically term for that is a snare. They. can put a perspective on a particular individual  thinking there's something wrong with this guy.

We got to get rid of him. That is fascinating.  I'm sorry. I never should have tied it to myself. This is certainly not about me, but I just I  couldn't resist that. So, well, here here's. another one in relationship to the politics, but  you've probably even seen this even in the in the. news media industry. So, um, one case that I had,  it's the only case I've ever had of Satan as the. possessor. Those kinds of cases are very, very  rare, even historically. And the only reason I. thought he was actually, this is this has got to  be the guy is because he was trying to kill this.

woman and um that that he was possessing. And he  was also he I for three straight days I beat this. guy ruthlessly in a session and he just lied all  the time. Even when it would go better for him if. he just told the truth he would just lie which is  what Christ said about him. He said he was a liar. and a murderer from the beginning. Yeah. So um  but anyway at a certain point what came out was. so in heaven there are nemeses just as St. Michael  fights bats against the against the demons there's. nemeses in heaven against the demons. So the  demons actually have nemesis, specific specific.

holy people in heaven that actually combat them or  deal with them. And very often it's because of the. fact like for example um the uh the demon against  uh the noonday devil is actually St. Katherine of. Alexandria because of the fact that she conquered  him by conquering that particular aspect of human. nature which is the tendency just being slothful  and lazy. Right? Well in this particular case with. Satan is um the nemesis was St. Jon of Arc and the  reason it was St. Jon of Arc we as it starts to.

come out in the case because there's very you  have a series of sessions and stuff starts to. be revealed about the dynamics of the case and  why Christ allowed it and why why is this this. particular demon possessing this person at this  time and for whatever reason and what came out was. is that St. Jon of Varc was the nemesis cuz she  actually showed up during one of the sessions. I. don't see her, but the person who's possessed  actually saw her appear. And the demon just.

completely freaked out and starts running straight  at me. And when I'm watching him run straight at. me, I'm like, he's not coming at me. He's trying  to get away from something. She literally ran over. the top of me and runs the the woman that's  possessed, but it was actually the demon goes. and goes and cowers in the corner. And so I asked  the woman, I said, "What?" After after the session. was over, I asked the woman what happened. She  said, "Well, Jon of Arc appeared." That's how. terrified they are of the people in heaven. Well,  over the course of time, what came out is that the.

reason St. Jon of Arc was the nemesis of Satan  in this particular case was because of the fact. that St. Jon of Arc is the nemesis to Satan  under the aspect of treason through ambition. Yeah. And treason through ambition. And the reason  Jon of Arc is the nemesis of him under that aspect. is because she was put to death by a bishop who  was French who was siding with the English so. that he could get a higher bishop Rick. He  could advance in the church. So he commits.

treason in order to advance himself and that's  what the ambition part is. That's a description. of a vast majority of the politicians in this  country. That's amazing. Yeah, you see it. You. see it all over the place. So, um, two I just  need to ask you this before I forget. So, in, um, in the famous scene where Jesus casts out the  demons called Legion from the man wandering the. tombs on the other side of the lake, right? It's  in a couple gospels, I think. Um, and they say,

"Send us into the herd of pigs, the thousand  pigs." Right? And the pigs drown themselves. They immediately commit suicide. Yes. Okay. So  the two questions I have are is it a feature of. this realm that demons possess animals? Yes, they  can possess things. The technical term for that is. infestation, which is different from possession.  Okay. But infestation is where they basically can. get into houses. I've had to clean up a lot of  houses, buildings, that physical places. Yeah.

Cuz they they like they like they like things.  They like places. I like possessing them. Um they. can also get into in inadimate objects. Um, uh,  I know a guy that actually there's what they call. fortuna, which is a s they're little figurines,  um, where they they're like they're inversion. of the Catholic statue type of thing or Catholic  image. And so what they do is they put a curse on. these particular things and then from there they  can affect people. And this priest ended up having. a case where he had a whole bunch of those. He put  them in a bag and put them in his car. And as he's. driving down the highway, he didn't have a chance  to burn or destroy them yet. as he's driving down.

the the the road, he's just he goes over this  bridge and he just does not paying attention. Next thing you know, he's underneath a tractor  trailer. The car is shreds every single inch of. that car except for that where he was sitting.  That's crazy. Yeah. Another priest, he he there. was a case where um a guy had killed his wife in  the backyard and he found this. The priest found. that and that that the the house was infested. So  he when he went there, he said, "Well, let's take.

a look to see if we can find any remnants of this  deed." And he found this shotgun shell. So he gets. the house cleaned up, but he didn't have a chance  to get rid of the shotgun shell. He said, "Until. from the time I took possession of that shotgun  shell until 40 48 hours later when I got rid of. it, every single thing in my life went wrong."  So they can actually infest things and then from. there they actually influence things. Um, but have  you seen it with living animals? Uh, yeah. Well, I I I haven't seen them actually uh infest the  animals to the point where they the animals are.

um doing that, but I have heard of other exorcists  having that. I have seen them actually afflict uh. animals. There was one case where um the land was  infested and um the people who owned the farm on. there lost 50 animals in the course of one year.  And it was under really odd circumstances. So the. one um one day they just came out and stepped out  on the porch and they had these Pyrenees, one of. the Pyrenees was just standing all of a sudden  that the Pyrenees just starts choking to death.

and kills it, right? And so because the demon on  the property, it took us a while to get the guy. out of there, but we finally got him out. But the  um but then they took it to a vet and they said, "There's no obstruction. There's no reason  there's no reason this dog should be dead.". H so they can they can actually do that. What do  you know about um cattle mutilation? Anything? um some of the cattle mutilation I you know the  stuff that I've actually studied I'm it's a little. bit unclear to me about what the actual motivation  is of some of the people that do it but some of it.

is actually a cult activity so clearly yeah and so  um and part of that is it's the um they're still. what they're doing is they're inverting um the  sacrifice so all you know in the Old Testament all. the sacrifices of the animals were actually just  a leadup or a a a type or prefigurement to Christ, right? And so what they do is they do these  these rituals are like the inversion of those. things in the Old Testament or they where they're  sacrificing animals and doing specific things in. a cult activity to empower themselves. So a lot  of those uh um I've heard I haven't, you know,

it's not something I can verify or or vouch for  100%, but I've talked to a lot of police officers. in areas like that and they say, "Yeah, there's  a there's a satanic covenant over here. There's. this. There's witches get involved in this type  of stuff, too." And so they they they'll say that, you know, you'll see those kinds of things  and where there's a high degree of or high. number of people involved in the um in the occult  arts. What about the connection between demonic.

possession and suicide? I just can't help but  notice that the second the demons enter the pigs, they kill themselves. Yeah. They have an animous  dendi, right? They want to destroy everything they. get in in in contact with. In fact, one during one  session that I actually had with Beelbub, which. is another name for Satan, because there's uh to  appear under Satan is one thing, but of having to. um possess something under the aspect of Beelbub  is another matter. But um at one point I just. said basically the reason you hate everything is  because whenever you see creation, you see him,

isn't it? Referring to God and he says yes, that's  why I want to destroy everything. So they have. that they they do drive suicide. Now people can  commit suicide on their own. Um like for example. as you probably know there's certain um SSRIs that  actually have an 80% uh suicidal ideation rate. right? So there's that you can people can have  you can people can commit suicide or have that. inclination from that. But the demons also will  begin picking at the person. So one of the things. that um the demons do is they try from the very  beginning of our lives. They'll start tempting us.

with certain things when they see us being born  because the the knowledge of these things are. infused in their mind. They actually know what our  DNA is. And so they know, okay, because of this. guy's genetic disposition, he's more likely to be  inclined to these kinds of sins and not those. So. they'll start picking at the kid from a very early  age um tempting him to do certain things in that. area. And their goal is not to just to get him  to commit sin and offend God, although that's. the primary reason, but it's to slowly build a  psychological compatibility because each time you.

give into that, you create a set of habits in you  and you create these defects that make you much. more easily and intertwined with them. For sure.  And and so they're they're actually building that. And so what happens is a lot of times when you see  with suicide, um not all cases because some cases. are it's it's entirely natural, right? It's it's  a psychological issue that's brought this about. But we've seen this with people who are possessed  a lot of times. Uh in fact, every person that I've. known that's possessed has had very strong and  sometimes they say uncontrollable inclinations.

to suicide, but they know that it displeases God.  So they don't. Um how does a person know well how. does a person get possessed by a demon?  And then how does he know he's possessed? Uh there's three ways. So um the first is you  commit some grave sin like abortion, murder, uh engaging in um uh the occult arts is one of  the principal ways that we see people becoming.

possessed. Um selling your soul to the devil,  stuff like that. So you do something really bad. and then that opens the door. Uh in the Catholic  sphere, we call it a mortal sin, something that's. really grave that you commit and those sins can  open you up to diabolic influence. Now, the way. it works though is because Christ has perfect  power over the demons. Um, we open the door, but. to be able to step across the threshold, Christ  has to give them permission. So, most people who. do stuff that's really bad don't become possessed  because of the fact that Christ just doesn't allow.

because it's not going to be good for the person  ultimately um even though they've opened up the. door. So, they've done something really bad.  That's about 50% of our case load is that and. do you ask what the person? is because we want to  know what could be the cause of the entry because. if we know how the demon got in a lot of times  that's going to tell us how you're going to get. them out and so we want we very often want to know  that spec specific kind of information. The other. 50% roughly is uh something really disordered  or grave has happened to you. So for example.

uh one case that I worked on the woman was run  over by a her sister ran her over with a car. Uh. about 50% of our case load are women who have been  raped, molested psychologically or um physically. abused in a grave fashion. And that disorder is  the domain of the diabolic. And so they can that. opens the person up to getting possessed uh the  woman getting possessed. And people say, "Well, that doesn't seem fair." Well, that's true in one  sense. On the other hand, Christ permits it. And.

what you'll find very often is as those especially  the women you'll find this as they climb their way. out they become some of the most holy people  you'll ever meet because the amount of virtue. they have to obtain to f to engage in the battle  becomes pretty significant. H how does a person. I mean we're not encouraged to think that the  torment we experience is the cause of demons. Right. Right. So how does a person realize  wait I think I have some alien being in me?

uh it it gets to causation. So if you're tormented  because you got a bad conscience because of the. fact that you've been doing a lot of bad things,  well that's probably not necessarily diabolic. So. there's natural explanations it can be for it. Um  sometimes too, you know, like for example, there's. hypothyroidism. People can become depressed as a  result of that. So there can be natural organic. causes for that. Um but the other way that you  would know it is if there's no prior causation, but you're just like you feel afflicted. So we'll  get people who like have been cur cur have been. cursed and they said yeah I just set in one day  and I was just depressed from that point on or I.

was just angry all the time from that point on. I  know someone that happened, prominent person that. happened to. Yeah. And so um so you you have to  look at the causation. Where did this come from? Um and as I mentioned, if it's diabolic obsession,  it will switch on and switch off. As an exorcist, we'll pray over people like that and you see a  very distinctive pattern when this cuz as you're. trying to assess whether this is demonic. Yes.  Correct. Cuz sometimes it's just psychological, right? So, we just um so you show up, you get the  call, I I or someone I love I think is possessed.

You show up at the house and tell us what  you do if you don't mind and how you make. that determination. Um so, usually we'll do kind  of an initial intake or interview. We actually. have a vetting process because the the Society of  Priests that I get, we get about um uh it ranges. from anywhere right now it ranges anywhere from  400 to 800 requests for help a month. And so, um I. always tell people I got pretty good job security.  Yeah. considering how you do. Yeah. But usually.

what the way it normally works is what they  call the Roman model is is you'll just sit down, you'll talk to the individual and talk and what  you're trying to do is get a sense of what they're. experiencing first, but then also the cause. What  could have been the cause in relationship to this? Was there a psychological thing that happened  to you? You know, were you raped when you were. a kid or did your father abuse you or what have  you? You're looking for specific things in their. past that could explain it more on a psych on  a psychological level. But then at a certain. point there's actually a set of prayers that  we'll actually say over the person. And if it's. psychological, you won't see much of a change.  They might feel a little better when you pray.

over them, but that's just because of the social  interaction and someone's actually listening to. their problem, right? Whereas if it's diabolic  obsession, all of a sudden they'll feel this. lifting and they feel like they're symptom free  and they're like, "Wow, that was fantastic. I feel. great." Now, diabolic obsession is by degree. And  so what can happen is if it's really entrenched, that feel of freedom and lightness will only last  for like four or five hours at the most, maybe a. day at the most, and then it'll set back in. And  then you'll pray over them again. And then you.

see this, you kind of get this dolphening pattern,  but they have to go, they themselves have to fight. their way out there. We put them on a prayer  regimen and a spiritual regimen to fight their. way out. And then as you pray over them, it'll  slowly lift and then eventually they're freed. Um but you'll see these distinctive patterns  whereas if it's psychological it just will. kind of flatline and so um that's one of the ways  that we can actually know but the the high drama. moments that you described at the outset where the  person when the demon is speaking to you through.

the person sometimes in Mhm. his voice sometimes  in the demon's voice. Yeah. How often does that. happen? Uh well possession is very rare. So um  statistically out of the 800 people or so that. contact us maybe four of them. I should have asked  you to define terms what's the distinction between. influence and possession. So in the influence is  the broad broadest c it's a it's just the genus of. how they so they can influence by temptation  right. Um oppression is where they attack. your externals um like your job situation things  like that. U obsession is where they attack your.

psychological faculties primarily and they obsess  you. And then possession is where they actually. take possession of a specific part of the body  and then from there they'll drive obsession and. oppression. All of us from time to time experience  the first suite of Yes. All of us are subject. to what they call ordinary diabolic temptation.  Yeah. And that's why the Lord's prayer says lead. us not in temptation delivers us from the evil  one. Exactly. And then the the other forms are. what we call extraordinary diabolic influence or  extraordinary in two reasons. One, they're above.

and beyond what most people experience. But  then the other part of it is is that they are. rare. They're rarer, I should say. So, possession.  How do you know you're you're confronting one of. those unusual cases? Um, well, the there are  what we call the primary and secondary signs. of possession. The secondary signs are certain  psychological patterns, certain patterns we'll. see in the person's life of what's happening. They  can give us an indicator, but they're they don't. give us certitude. What gives us certitude is  you'll pray over them and then you'll see a prader.

natural sign. This is something that a human being  is not capable of doing like morphing, changing. shape as I mentioned before. Um or superhuman  strength. Uh there was a case out in California. a few years back where this 80-year-old woman  who had to have a walker to get in just to get. into the case the sessions. They had four beefy  police officers there during this case. And as. soon as this demon manifested, he just threw them  all over the room. So, these are types of things. or another case that a friend of mine had was  a 10-year-old boy. They had two police officers.

there that were 250 lbs each. He lifted them both  off the ground at the same time with ease. So, these are super. So, these are the So, you'll see  those particular kinds of things. So, another Did. you get unknown languages, foreign languages ever?  Yeah. So, that's the other that's one of the other. ones. So, uh speaking in languages they they've  never studied. Now um there this is uh and so a. lot of times um you know psychologists for a while  were saying that oh well maybe the person's heard. the language. Well I don't know of anybody who  can hear a language one and be absolutely fluent.

in it right and so two there's languages like the  the first case of possession ever dealt with this. guy was speaking a form of Phoenician that had  been defunct for 3500 years. So he's never heard. Phoenician. He had been so this is so and fluently  by the way. So we're not talking about So this is. not this is not a psychological issue. Um there's  other things too. Uh so the the the then so. there's um speaking in foreign languages. In fact,  it's kind of funny. I had this one case where the.

demon um he uh Christ restricts what languages  they can speak with you. Even though they know. all the languages, he restricts them. And so in  this particular case, he was restricted speaking. in Latin. So I had to converse with him in Latin.  Now, my Latin is decent, but once in a while I'll, you know, when the when you're supposed to use  the accusative, I use the dative grammatically, and he would just when I would do that, I didn't  do it right. He would just ignore me like he just. hadn't didn't have to put up with this, right?  And so then I would correct my language. And.

who was the person he was occupying? Um, it was  actually it was a it was a woman that was actually. possessed, but not a Latin scholar. No, not not  she didn't even know Latin. So, at the end of it, I I told I commanded the demon to consider the  fact that he'd actually improved my grammar. He wasn't he wasn't happy with that one. Do you  mock them? Uh, not it's it's not mocking them. I just inform them in stuff that makes that  it's painful for them because you don't want. to mock them because that's that's um degrading,  right? And we don't want to degrade. We don't want.

to be involved in the degrading process. It's  the same reason why you don't call them names, you know? you you the even in the ritual there's  a listing of names of theirs but you're not going. to call them like you're hey stupid do this cuz  they're not stupid right I mean part of that is. because they're looking they'll they'll be happy  if you do that because of the fact that that means. your your speech isn't perfectly modest and so  at least in relation totally right yeah and so. they get power they get power out of it they'll  take I've seen this in the human realm they're.

inviting you certain people are clearly under  the influence of these things invite you to lower. yourself. Yes. And invite you to mock and swear  and degrade. And like the second you do that, they they become swollen with power. And I don't  know if it's your experience, but in my experience. with demons, they're willing to take a beating  to get that out of you. They'll take the mockery. They'll take those that, you know, you're treating  them badly if it means they're getting power over.

you. Yeah. I think they're trying to incite you  to become more like them. That's exactly it. That's exactly. Boy, I've seen that a lot. And I  I don't know anything about what you're saying. I've just it the parallels to the experience that  like anyone engaged in our political discourse. have has to to what you're saying are like crazy.  But you know, in talking about that psychological. compatibility, we have just a lot of people today  that are psychologically compatible with a lot of. demons and that's why we're seeing that behavior.  These people are just psychologically compatible.

with them. And what can you just restate what  the qualities are that you see in people that are. compatible with with demons just like to remember  to avoid these things? What are they? Uh well, it's basically people that and this is actually  some of the secondary signs of possession. It's. people who are have a tendency towards  mandacity. You know, lying all the time, duplicitus. Um there's I've made this comment even  publicly about certain politicians. You know, you. can tell that these people are in cahoots with the  devil because of the fact that every single thing.

they do maximizes damage within their capacity to  do so. You know, you get you get around pe Yeah, you do. You get around people that are like that.  Oh, yes. Oh, I I know them. Even though they might. have a veneer of respectability, they're in a  position of authority and they kind of conduct. themselves a certain way. Everything they do, um  I first and they don't show any like a normal I. lie. I have lied. I hate lying, but I have done  it. But when I do it or I think most people when. they lie h you know you kind of twitch a little  bit. You don't want to lie. Yeah. It's the people.

who register no concern at all about lying is a  sign. Yes. Do you think? Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. And that that's that psychological compatibility  or people that are willing to just sacrifice. other people for the sake of them getting even  some of the most modest of gains, you know, where they just they're and so the demons will  just I mean they'll be happy to kill a bunch. of a bunch of you know unborn children in order to  empower themselves in relationship to you know say. one particular politician or another. They're more  than happy to do so. Wow. The other third sign of.

um uh natural signs. So one is things that  are beyond human capacity which I mentioned. uh um speaking foreign languages but the other one  is occult knowledge and that's in two forms. So. they'll uh I mentioned it earlier we mentioned  a little bit earlier about this woman who was. making theological distinctions. You know the the  demon was making theological distinctions. This is. a form of knowledge that this woman didn't have.  But the other form of occult knowledge is they can.

know what's going on in the other room because as  I mentioned it's all being infused in them as it. happens as it occurs because that's how they're  designed to know things. That's how God made. them to know things. He just infuses them as it  happens. So they'll actually know like what you. ate for breakfast this morning or they'll know  things about your past history. Um one of the. things that you'll see from time to time is that  they actually know your sinful history. And so if. you go into a session and um because you know  we we see this from time to time if one of our. assistants has a has um you know that there's some  some sin that they haven't confessed you know then.

what happens is is the demon knows that and this  because the as far as the demon's concerned is is. if you don't confess your sins then basically  their attitude is well then I still have power. over you because you're still under me. It's once  you confess your sin Yeah. then it's absolved and. then boom. And so as a result of that, they know  that. And so you'll start the session and all the. demons will point out, hey, this guy over here,  he did XYZ this morning and this person didn't. even see that guy until the session started. So  they'll have a cult knowledge on those particular.

kinds of things. And so those are kind of the  indicators. They're like, okay, I'm not dealing. with somebody who's uh that this isn't this isn't  a psychological issue. This isn't natural. Now, one of the things that people often ask is, well,  what about levitation? Is that a pra or natural. sign? Yes and no. because there has been um it's  uh there has been cases of um like there was a um. uh there was a a saint in the Catholic Church who  would actually um uh levitate when he'd said mass,

right? And so um and he was a very saintly man.  They even did exorcisms over things. Maybe the. guy's possessed and nothing, you know. So um well  the Pharisees accused Jesus of being possessed. Yes. That's right. That's right. And then uh  but then you can also have levitation occur. in an infested building which is not too common.  So people will be in bed and all of a sudden they. feel themselves getting dragged out or pulled up  or lifted up off their bed and that type of thing. People have seen that. That's very rare but you  but you as exorcists we we hear about that from.

time to time. And so that doesn't necessarily mean  the person's possessed. Plus all the people that. are possessed not everybody levitates when they're  possessed. Some do, some don't. And so, um, levitation is just not that common, but you see it  from time to time. And so, it it's not a necessary. sign that the person's possessed. But if you  see a bunch of secondary signs, you know, around. the person, um, and you're dealing with them,  uh, and then you're or you start praying over. them and then the demon morpher changes shape and  levitates, well, then then you know, okay, that's.

that's something that's that's that's prayer  natural. There's a scene in uh in the Gospels. in Mark where a man brings his demon-possessed boy  who's hurting himself, throwing himself into fire, having seizures, and the um the apostles are  unable to exercise the demon. And Jesus walks up. and kind of scolds them and then does so. And they  say, "Why were you able to do it? We weren't." And. he says, "Because this kind of demon can only be  exercised through prayer and fasting." What does.

that mean? Um well it means that uh how you get  a demon out of somebody uh varies. So Christ said. by my name you'll cast out demons. What he did not  say is by my name you'll cast out all demons. And. the way we know that is precisely this scene in  the gospels where he they were using his name but. it wasn't having the effect. And so they actually  have to do prayer and fasting. And basically what. that means is the prayer is to um to to petition  God enough intercessory prayer praying to him.

asking him to to uh do enough prayers so that  the person will actually be liberated. This is. one of the reasons why we actually have people  praying like the assistance during the sessions. um and outside of sessions we have people  that will do um spend hours praying for the. person's liberation so that we get that done. The  other part is through fasting. Now the fasting is. uh goes back to St. Paul where St. Paul says bring  your body under subjection. Right? So you you you. have to fast in order to get your um to get your  lower faculties under control to some degree. And.

by doing that it's a meritorious work which God  will actually and you can offer that so that this. person will actually become uh liberated in the  process. The other reason as an exorcist so I fast. six days a week when I when I'm in session and  the reason for that what does that mean? It means. having one moderate meal in the in the in the  evening. That's it each day. So I have nothing for. breakfast, nothing for lunch, and then I have a  moderate meal at night. And I do that for 6 days. And part of that is just to um because um when we  become uh when we get our body under subjection,

two things occur. One, demons don't want to get  involved with you because if they attack you and. try and suggest something to you that's contrary  to that subjection, you're going to reject it. outright. So they're going to get defeated very  easily and you're going to be And by that you're. also developing virtue. So you're empowered to  be able to kick them out much more easily. When. we're weak, they can take advantage of us. But  the other part about it is is that um and you've.

probably noticed this even with yourself is you  start to grow in virtue and you start saying I. got to get this part of my life straightened out.  You become much more sensitive in that area that. you've cleaned up. So for example, people who stop  using profanity all of a sudden and vulgarities. all of a sudden when they hear it, it jars them.  Right? Well, it's the same thing in relationship. to demons. So, as you fast, if the demons attack  you, you're much you're you're much more sensitive. to it. And so, that disorder because you've got  it under your body's now rightly ordered. And so,

as a result, you quickly quickly detect them.  And then, so they don't want to attack you. So, in addition to they don't want to attack you, but  al so you have a certain amount of protection, but. also you can offer that fasting up so that this  person is actually liberated. The people that are. possessed sometimes will also need to fast given  the nature sometimes the nature of the demon that. they're dealing with. They need to fast in order  to break the possession. You said you've I think. you said you've uh cast out Satan himself twice.  No, Satan once. So Satan, Lucifer, Beelb were the.

same guy. Yep. And so um which Christ himself  even said it, right? Because they the the the. Jews accuse him of casting out Satan by the power  of Beielbbo, right? And he says, "How can a house. divided?" Yeah. Yeah. Casting out Satan. They say,  "How?" Yeah. How can how can Satan cast out Satan? So he turns and he says, or no, sorry, excuse  me. They casting out by the power of Beelub, right? And he says, "Well, how can Satan  cast out Satan?" So he he's the the fathers,

the Petristic commentators on the scripture said  that that's an indicator that Satan and Beub were. the same guy. And then Lucifer was his original  assigned name because Lucifer comes from lucery. which means to bear light. He was supposed to  enlighten our minds and that was his originally. assigned task and he refused to do so. But then  after that so I actually had a case which um uh at. a certain point during one of the sessions demons  will be compelled to say things that you're not. even asking them. God tells them hey you got to  tell this guy X Y and Z. And that's to keep the.

case moving along. And out of the blue, he just  the demon just blurts out. It was bezel blats out, I'm the mockery of the Holy Spirit. And then he  checks out. I can't get him back to the surface. He just wouldn't regardless of what prayers I did.  So I'm thinking to myself, well, I know Bezbub and. and Satan are the same guy. So I started asking,  you know, started praying, getting some, you know, give me the grace to see what am I seeing here,  right? And we also know that Lucifer, he he was.

originally Lucifer. And then it it it dawns on  me. So in as an exorcist, we deal with cases of. dissociative identity disorder, which is multiple  personality. It looks like possession, but it's. actually not possession. Okay? And so it dawned  on me, this guy's it was a triated personality. So during the next session, I referred to  Beelzebub as the third personality of Satan, and he just lit up like, how did you ever figure  that out? Right? Well, it was in grace, obviously.

So then I basically beat out of him. So Bezub is  the inversion of the Holy Spirit. Lucifer is the. inver inversion of the second person in the  trinity because Christ is light from light, right? Which we read in St. John's gospel.  And then um Satan is the father of light. So he's the inversion of God the father.  So you basically have this unholy trinity. So then I I I commanded him to tell me was this  triification of your personality the punishment. for wanting to be God and after a little bit  of beating he said yes and then he basically.

admitted he suffers the same thing that people  who suffer from uh dissociative identity disorder. he suffers the same problem they're in const he's  in constant pain as a result of this triification. and this actually so I thought to myself well  you know somebody had had to have talked about. this historically I can't be the first guy to  kind of stumble across this well Lo and behold, there was a case in um France in the 1600s where  this exact same thing played itself out and they. they talked about this and then the fathers talk  about it in bits and pieces. So um that's actually.

know that his his personality he was punished  with his triation of personality and that would. explain why exorcist would experience be Lucifer  and Satan in very different ways. What about this. guy invited Satan rather than one of the lesser  demons? Um, well, this it wasn't actually a guy. It was actually a woman who became possessed  by Satan because she was the victim of satanic. ritual abuse. Yeah. And so at a at literally right  off the bat in her life. So she uh How common is.

that? Um when I first started doing exorcism  work, most of the cases that we would see of. that were from satanic ritual abuse in the 80s,  which is when it really picked up steam. and then. it kind of went out a bit. It kind of plateaued  out a little bit, but now we're starting to see. a lot of the cases from stuff that's been  happening in the last 15 to 20 years. So, um.

the uh probably if you're talking about cases of  possession or the cases that well, let's just talk. about the cases that come to us that have satanic  ritual abuse, it's not that many, but it's enough. that it it takes up a significant amount of our  time to clean these people up as a result of it. Um the uh and not what happened to that woman? She  was liberated finally. And how did her life turn. out, do you think? Um she's she's I think she's  I think she's a very holy woman. I think she's.

a very good woman. And um uh the uh she still  has to deal with some diabolical oppression, but I think that she's she and her husband have  really come up to speed in their spiritual lives. That's what they're doing. I think they're doing  better than I think they think they're doing, but. I think she's she's doing fine. How long does it  typically take to save a person from possession? It depends on the degree of the possession because  possession is by degree. That is how deep the.

possession actually is. If you have something like  satanic ritual abuse, it's going to take a while. if it's generally speaking. Um whereas sometimes  I've actually had cases of possession where things. have happened bad like this one woman had uh  she was uh molested when she was younger but she. was never complicit. She didn't want it and she  always tried to lead a good Christian life etc. So um three sessions boom she was cleaned up. Um  uh there's cases of children that are possessed. Those go much more rapidly. There's usually just a  few sessions. But if you're talking about an adult.

um usually the average case and this is something  which even the exorcists in Rome have made this. observation as well the average timetable is  4 to 8 years years years can you exercise a. demon from a person against that person's will no  because if the person gives if the person actually. wants the demon to be there God respects their  free will and that empowers the demon to remain.

So you can't get anywhere. What are those person's  lives like? Uh they're miserable. Yeah. They're. living in hell. Yeah. There was one I I actually  had one case where I this the exorcist that. trained me said, "Hey, there's this one woman. I  can't get to her. Would you take a look at her?". And I said, "Yeah, I'll take a look at her." So  um I went in and normally speaking I would say a. series of prayers to keep myself protected when  I went in and then clean you know and protected.

on the way out but I totally forgot to do this  and so I went in I started talking to her and. she was possessed all right she was showing signs  of praatural knowledge I mean she there was the. the types of knowledge she had like wow that's  pretty but she liked it she didn't want it so I. told her well look I can't I can't really help you  in relationship to this and so uh you know if you. want to be if you want to cut bait with these  guys. I'm willing to help you, but until then, I can't help you. So, I left. Came down with the  worst case of gout I've ever had. Gout. Gout. I.

just like You got a medieval illness. Perfect.  Yeah. Exactly. So, and everything I did, I even. took those tablets that are supposed to help you  clean out the uric acid. Nothing. Didn't touch it. It's the most painful I've had. It is shocking.  Yeah. So, it dawned on me a week later. You think. I would have clue in being an exorcist. I wonder  if that woman cursed me. So I said a prayer to. break the curse and within an hour it would all  cleared up. Really? So I called the priest that.

had sent her to me and usually he he'll pick up  the phone. Well, he didn't pick up the phone. Two weeks later he calls me back. Hey, you know,  I would have called you, but I got the worst case. of gout I've ever had. And I said, dude, you've  been you've been cursed. And I said, let me guess. Right toe, big foot or big big toe and the right  foot. Yeah. Yeah. How'd you know? I said, "Well, you've been cursed." So, he said the prayers.  Boom. It lifts up. A year later, the another. priest says, "Well, I think she's had a change of  heart." I said, "Okay." Well, this time I went in.

and I said some prayers, kept ask St. Michael to  protect me, but I apologize for cursing you. Uh, no. So, what happens is is I uh I said some  prayers to keep myself protected, but I also said. a prayer which another exorcist taught me which  is extraordinarily effective. um which is Jesus. if this if she tries to curse me I ask you or if  I've been cursed I ask you to send the curse back. from whence it came but if that's not your holy  will in either case keep me protected now there's. a reason for that is because if the person this  is why highle witches will not get involved in.

cursing with pe cursing people as a general rule  because they know they can become subject to the. very curse that they put on people so um this uh  so I went in talked to her oh no she still liked. the occult knowledge, you know, she really liked  knowing what her husband was up to, you know, that. kind of thing, even though he was never not even  around her. So, I just gave her the same story. She So, so she was getting knowledge that a normal  person wouldn't have. That's right. She knew what.

her h the demons would tell her this is what your  husband's doing, etc. And it was accurate, right? And that's how you know it's true is it's actually  accurate. Well, so I left and then about a week. later, I called the priest that had rec, you know,  said, "I think she's had a change heart." I said, "Well, you know, how's she doing?" and she said  right after you left she ended up in the hospital. and she's still there. Yeah. So the uh this is  you know the the cursing is one of those things. that the the um you know people can become subject  to it. Um the main thing they have to do is make.

sure that they're leading an authentic Christian  life, not doing anything sinful that would open. the door for the demons. So they become subject to  the curse. Have you ever seen a phenomenon where. someone is acted on by God, clearly inspired by  the Holy Spirit, has a has a a closer connection. to God than normal, and then shortly after is  attacked hard by demons? Yes. Yes. That's a common. Yeah. reaction. Yes. Uh okay. So, the way demons  tend to function is they tend to like to go after.

easy prey. But because and this is something  that I learned about them because Christ has. perfect coercive power over them which we saw in  the casting out of the legion right and they and. and they can't do anything without his permission  and but he but that also means that he they are. subject to him and that means that they are his  instruments and so he can use the demons to as an. instrument of our sanctification and purification  so we overcome particular difficulties and so a.

lot of times God will um allow the person who's  leading a really good Christian life to come. under attack in order to draw them draw them even  closer to him than they actually are or to purify. them or to make them more holier or help them to  overcome a particular defect because the demon's. using that against them. And so from time to time  you'll actually see that. And so the demons are. there he uses them and he tells and we call it  conscription. Hey, you got to go deal with this. And they they'll they'll admit it. I didn't  want to be here but here I am. Really? Yeah.

Huh. So the experience is designed to instruct  the person who's being afflicted by it. That's. right. To instruct them to gain knowledge about  okay, this is how this works, but also to um to uh. to basically help them to grow even greater in in  virtue. I mean, if if the demons are kind of like. tempting you towards, say, let's just say lust or  tempting you towards lust and you you combat that, the degree of your virtue when you come out of it  is going to be stronger than if it's just natural.

human temptation. Correct. Yeah. And so that's a  lot of times why God will allow it. So the person. becomes even holier, even more virtuous than they  would outside that context. The demons absolutely. hate it, especially when you see in these cases of  possession, the like as I mentioned, some of these. women would become extremely holy. And I'll just  mention to the demon, you know, you're becoming. this person's instrument of sanctification.  They'll admit it's true and they hate it. What are steps that people can take to avoid being  influenced by demons or possessed by them? Well,

the main thing to do is stop sinning, right?  Especially the more serious stuff like, you know, stop fornicating, stop doing all this, stop  looking at pornography because pornography is. where we're seeing the real uptick in obsession  and stuff. Really? You you you see this? Yeah. So. the the the number of people becoming diabolically  obsessed through pornography and even possessed. uh we've seen a drastic uptick in really and yeah  you know when I was first a when I was first a.

priest you know people come to confession to a  priest. So when I was first a priest the guys that. would confess pornography you didn't hear that too  often because you had to go buy it and there was a. shame involved. Well now that it became ubiquitous  on the internet you can do it in the privacy of. your home. the num the men number of men that are  confession is almost you know it's pretty high up. there. Um and so what we're seeing is is that um  but also the fact that a lot of the pornography. is cursed to increase its addictive effect. That  was one of the things that the Satanists taught. the people in the porn industry curse the master  copy and then from that the copies that are made.

will influence the people and so they they do  that and then people become so you believe the. porn industry is controlled by Satanists. Um, I  don't know if it's controlled by it. My impression. is these are just bad dudes for the most part.  I think that they're influenced by them. Um, it doesn't mean that there aren't satanists that  are involved in the porn industry. I suspect there. probably are, but I just think that it's uh  they're the ones who taught them this is what.

you do and this will boost the addictive effect of  it. And so there's uh one exorcist who wasn't uh. wasn't me, but there was another exorcist that I  know of who's a good friend of mine. He had a case. where the the guy became possessed and um finally  there's a certain stage where the demon gets weak. enough you can compel him how did you get in and  he said pornography I believe that and so then. the after the session he asked the guy what's  the you know what happened and he said he said. yeah it was I think he said I would believe it is  pornography he said I watched this one pornography.

that had this one woman on it and then after that  something snapped or changed and from that point. on. I had to see every piece of pornography she  ever made. I was just driven obsessively to find. her. So this is the that So that's one of the ways  that they get in. So So to answer your question, um there's a few things. One is prayer and  fasting. You pray, you should be praying. regularly anyway. As a Christian, you should  be praying. And if you're praying regularly, you can pray for your own protection. That's  actually one of the reasons I gave you the book.

deliverance prayers for the Lady um which is right  there. But that book actually contains a number. of prayers that are drafted. You don't have to  use those. because you can use your own but this. gives you kind of an outline or a structure that  say okay this is how this works. Um so consistent. prayer life a disciplined prayer life you have to  be very disciplined. The second part of it is is. um fasting which is also true um stop the sinning.  The one thing that we have found um the this is. something that um uh one of my lay assistants this  was about 3 years ago we started noticing a very a.

pattern because this is what we watch for patterns  because demons act in a very consistent way. And what we started noticing is the people that  the demons attack, whether that's attacking their. externals through oppression or through obsession  and even in temptation in some cases are people. that there's some area of their interior life  that is undisiplined. You know, they eat too. much or they're not, you know, when it comes  to chocolate, they're a little too indulgent, you know, instead of just trying to moderate those  things. Not that those things are bad. It's quite.

the contrary, they're good, but they have to be  moderated. or the person just doesn't moderate. like their irritation or anger and certain  circumstances, things like that. So, there's. some area of their life that's und disciplined.  Sometimes it's just they're not praying. You know, you should be praying on a consistent basis  every single day. I mean, if you really love God, if you really love him, you're going to want to be  with him. And that occurs through prayer. A lot of. people just don't do that. Also, if you understand  the world well enough to be terrified by it, which.

you should be, comma, yes, then you will seek  safety in prayer. I think that's that's exactly. it. Yeah. And also the prayer because you're  lifting your mind and heart to God which is one. of the definitions of prayer is lifting your mind  and heart to God. It gets that right order in your. own mind and so it gives you clarity so that you  you know when you see the insanity in the world. you can still navigate it and it doesn't affect  you as much. But it's that undisiplined somewhere. in their spiritual life that is if people are  getting attacked you have to start figuring out. okay where are you undisiplined this is what you  need to do. Get that cleaned up and it'll solve.

Man, that is uh I I I think whether you believe in  God or not, you can see that that's true. Yeah. Um. are you hopeful for the country since you seem  to pay attention to the whole country, not just. uh yes and no. If you by hopeful you mean in the  sense that human beings are going to correct this,

you know, write this ship. I I think it's beyond  human correction at this stage. It's so bad, especially when you look at the corruption um in  the higher levels of government and that type of. thing. Um but I am also hopeful that Christ  uh you know, if you look at the history of. how God deals with human beings, he'll let us  be evil only for so long and then he gives us. a spanking. So I think that he's that Christ is  going to correct it probably fairly soon. I mean, who knows when that is, but I think we're getting  to the point where we're, you know, especially in.

a post-Christian era, we're almost as bad as Sodom  and Gomorra. I mean, I tell people, look at Sodom. and Gomorra, at least they weren't trying to marry  each other, you know. No, it's true. Yeah. And so, um, but so I think that we've gotten to the point  where um that God is going to to punish us, but in. a way that a a good father corrects his son when  he's doing bad things, right? Do you think that um. the first thing that jumps to mind is through war  nuclear weapons and I and I wonder about the role. of technology in all of this? So you said when  you started the people with porn problems bought.

the porn and that's a small number but thanks to  technology it's embedded you know universal porn. use. Yes. Yeah. You look at something like AI or  nuclear weapons specifically. Mhm. hard not to. think that that was demonically inspired. Um well  obviously these are these are natural things which. we could discover on our own whether the demons  actually inspired people to start pursuing this. I think the real problem is the use of them right  that's where the real problem is. So AI I mean.

I use AI to do research and um the uh although  you have to be careful you have to even vet that. because a lot of it's based on the language models  of course is based on what's out there generally. a lot of times there's garbage but a lot of times  it puts you in the ballparks you can quickly find. stuff which is a very helpful so it's a very  powerful and useful tool it's a good thing. but we've already seen people are using it for  evil and um and this is one of the reasons why I. think that um as time goes on um it's going to be  even become more and more evil types of evil we're.

going to see coming from these things are going  to be pretty significant, I think. Well, I mean, Sam Alman's already announced that Open AI will  allow anyone to create their own porn. So, yeah, that's it. Yeah. So, but you but the cycle that  you're describing is society falls into decadence. and evil. Yeah. And then it's corrected through  punishment. That's right. And you think we're. getting pretty close to the punishment stage of  the cycle if God is consistent, which he tends to.

be. Yeah. And that's not a terrible thing. No,  it's going to be painful. It's like the kid, you know, when he gets spanked, it's painful, but  then he realizes, okay, this is not good. I'm not. going to do this anymore. And so, we God wants us  to be able to see the effect of the evil. There's. a certain sense in that's already happening,  right? In the sense that the more evil we become, the more difficult and afflicted living  in this culture is becoming. Yes. So, we're already paying the price for our sin to  some degree, but we're still on a course where.

we're not correcting ourselves. That I think some  people are. Some people like this is just evil. I. got to get my act together, right? But that's  not that's not the whole of the culture, but. um but at a certain point, God's I think going  to have to correct it himself. I think that all. the time. You know, for every aborted child,  there's, you know, another homeless fentanyl. addict or something. I mean it's all seems  like um so last question which is about drugs. and alcohol and the role that demonic influence  plays in addiction. Um so addiction is actually.

three-fold. The first is there's actually a brain  mechanism that causes addiction. Yeah. Um and then. there's the set of habits that revolve around that  and those are also kind of a natural thing that. people can actually develop. Um but then there  can be layered on top of that. The demons can. actually drive the addiction. So they can through  ordinary temptation, you know, just say, "Hey, there's there's the alcohol again. Let's go drink,  let's go do this, remember all this fun that you. actually had when you did this. Um, and so they  can actually drive that. The demons also have.

the ability to block our remembrance of things, to  remember things. And so, uh, part of the virtue of. prudence is the virtue of memory, remembering  the right things at the right time. Yeah. So, right. So, you know, like, you know, last time I  drank, I I I paid the price the next day. Well, they can make you focus on the good thing you got  out of this and and and forget all the pain you. went through, right? So, they can do that. Um  the other thing is too is that demons can also. they can because they can act upon us physically  that is in our brain and that type of thing. They. can actually cause a mimicking of um addictive  experiences. So, there was a woman that I actually.

knew that um she would come to me and and she  didn't have the history or the habit building. of an alcoholic, but she had the tendencies for  it and she would like from time to time she would. she would struggle in that area. So what I did  is I started praying over her for any demon of. obsession relationship with addiction. And she she  said every time I would pray over her, she would.

go about a week without any addictive feelings  whatsoever. Now I'm not suggesting that everyone. everything that's addictive is diabolic. It's  quite the contrary. Usually people get involved. in the addictions and then the demons get involved  in that. Yes. So but uh but they can also drive. those things in relationship to certain people. Um  we also see this in relationship to people who are. possessed. So I and it's a very common that sugar  is a big addiction that demons drive in people who. are possessed. Um you know really yeah where they  just they can't stay away from the sugar. I had.

to had one case this was kind of interesting. I I  had gotten to the point this woman that was that. was undergoing exorcism for possession was a very  virtuous woman. Like why you know I why am I not. getting this guy out right? And so at a certain  point during one of the sessions I commanded to. tell me and she was possessed. Yeah, she was  possessed. I said so at a certain point I said. um I said to the demon I I commanded the demon to  tell me what is it you have on her? Right. And he. just looked at me and he said pop meaning soda.  Yeah. So he checked out. I asked her. I said,

"Do you have a problem with soda?" And she said,  "I cannot go a day without rewarding myself with. it." She says, "I just can't do it." And then once  the possessions broke, boom, they don't know, they. don't even have the inclination towards it. So  they can drive those kinds of things. Now again, I'm not suggesting that everybody who has these  addictions because these things are just addictive. by nature. Um, and people develop their own.  But in possession, sugar addiction. Wow. Sugar.

addiction. I'm not surprised even a little bit.  I'm just surprised you said that out loud. That's. like cuz it's so clearly true. Yeah. Why Why do  you think it's true? because I've just seen it. and felt it and I just know that there's some kind  of connection because it causes compulsion. Yes, exactly. And compulsion's always a sign to me as  a total layman, but like compulsion really? What's. that? The compulsion to harm yourself. There's  no evolutionary theory that can account for that. Right. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And a  lot of times they'll look just to see what our.

dispositions, like I said before, our dispositions  are they'll drive those areas, the addictions, you know, whether it's to a particular kind of  food or whether it's particular kind of thing. Although with men eating a lot of meat, I  get that, you know, but uh but but when it. comes to the actual but other things that are very  addictive like sugars, alcohol, things like that, meat does not cause compulsion. It can't. You  can't eat two pounds of of beef. You can eat. two pounds of chocolate though. Yeah, you can.  That's true. And then wait an hour and eat another. two pounds. You can't do that with steak. No, you  can't. That's true. Although they uh they do know.

that um that chocolate actually gives it reduces  endorphins when you and it's even more effective. in women apparently from what I've read from the  brain studies. But with men, they say you just. show him a picture of meat and his brain lights  up. Which is why I tell people, look, if a guy. doesn't like meat, there's something wrong. Yeah,  I think that's totally fair. Father, that was. amazing and I appreciate you're doing that. Well,  thank you for having me. Appreciate it very much.