Ex-Trucker: Gang Heists, Human Trafficking Routes & the Tyrannical Plot Stealing Jobs from Americans

Thanks so much for doing this. Oh hey, thanks for having me! The reason I wanted to do this is. because I think it fits. I'm going to give you my like one. minute overlay of why I think this. is important. And it's always. important when people are hassled. and destroyed for things they didn't. do wrong. But I think the. fate of truckers. in the United States and Canada, it is part of a much larger. trend. So like 10 years ago,

I think, this is correct. I put it in a book I wrote that. A driving for a living was the. number one most common job for. high school educated white men in. the United States, which is to say. the people displaced by. deindustrialization. The factories died, the country. went from making things to. finance and real estate, and the. people left behind weren't helped. They were destroyed by the. Sacklers and drugs. And also by kind of relentless. hounding and scolding by.

the ruling class I don't quite. understand what that was, but I. didn't just noticed it have noticed. it still noticing it. so driving trucking. Was not only like a huge part. of the working-class economy like at. the center of the work in class. economy in in the West but. also Sort of. symbol of like culture and autonomy. like I'm behind the wheel. No one can control me. The last American cowboy, as it were. exactly. And it was celebrated, by the way, in the 70s and early 80s, you know.

Oh, massive cultural output. celebrating and venerating the. American trucker. Exactly when, you know, Americans, ordinary Americans whose ancestors. built this country. were, you don't not considered. criminals. So by virtue of being alive. But anyway, I think this is part of. a much larger. shift and, and attack on. the best people in the country. So, and last thing I'll say is. like, the other thing a lot of these. guys do is go fight wars.

Well, hey, my my grandfather. Landed at Normandy D-Day. plus three in a Sherman tank. in a Canadian uniform fought. Legitimate real Nazis not. the ones that are the figments of. people's imagination Exactly, and. then came back to Canada and. eventually got into the trucking. business. I'm a third-generation. trucker, man Okay, so there you go. I just want to get my. theories out of the way My dad was. in the reserves like we got both. We're on both bases, sir. So tell me I'm not surprised. at all suit Okay,

you've written a book end of the. road inside the war on truckers Most. people are not aware there is a war. on Truckers has been ongoing this. war on trucks. Give us an overview What does that. mean war on? Well, you know, it's sort of an. analogy, right? There's wars on workers. You know, as you mentioned, de-industrialization, shipping. manufacturing overseas. They couldn't get rid of truckers, right, like we're here, this is. geography, right. You can't move things around America. without being in America or Canada. And so I think what we've seen.

is that the. results of a, they tried to, in 1980, open up the market, right in order. to bring the same forces. To North America. So you can't ship the jobs. away. So let's make it so that the. jobs, you know, are more competitive. in their speak. So Motor Carrier Act of 1980 comes. in. And the idea is that. the previous regulatory. framework for trucking, the old. Motor Carriers Act, which had a. regulated business, right?

So like you had to publish your. rates. It took a lot to actually get, you know, what you might call a taxi. medallion, like you had to have. Um, authority to operate a. trucking business that was. controlled by the government. They did have an argument that this. was like it made things too. expensive. It was sort of a cartel, but the reforms went so. far in the other direction that. basically anybody with $300 in. a pulse could sign up to become a. truck trucking company, a truck and. company and the. effects of that, which were. brought by people who wanted free.

market reforms. Free free market. Yeah. Well, hey man, who isn't. the problem is this is that we. didn't get free market No, we did. not and since then they have. asked the government to help them. with the consequences of the reforms. They asked for so after. them Motor Carrier Act. of 1980 comes about, intense. competition, lots of trucking. companies go out of business, lots. drivers quit, people move into. other things because now the. competition, you got your lower.

prices, not everybody's going to. operate at that price, right? So now they start seeing that. drivers are like a little harder to. come by, right. Okay, maybe just pay them more, figure out your rate structure. Like you asked for a free market. reform, it's up to you to fix this. problem you To be created. But instead of doing that, in 1987, this corporate. lobby group who I have very. low opinion of, the American. Trucking Associations, come up with this study and. claim that if we don't have an.

additional 600,000. truckers by 1990, the. entire economy would collapse. The economy did not collapse. I don't know if they got their. 600,00 extra truckers, but. what they found is that this was a. useful narrative. And for decades since, that narrative Has gone through the. media everybody believes there's a. shortage of truckers like we talked. about this backstage last time I was. on your show and it's never been. true. There's all kinds of people. with cdls There's, all kinds, of. people like me around they just. don't want to pay So what they have.

is a churn in a retention problem. where the taxpayer subsidizes. CDL mills to produce more. truck drivers who discover that the. job doesn't pay as good as they say. it does. It has a whole lot of. problems that nobody wants to solve. and then they quit, right? So I think some carriers have. like a 90 to 100 percent driver. turnover rate every single year and. we're paying for that. So they say, hey, we don't have. enough drivers. They go to the government. The government subsidizes the. driving schools or they subsidize. the students in many ways.

Not completely. Sometimes they make. the students pay for it with these. sort of debt arrangements. But in general, the. American taxpayer has been financing. this sort of bogus narrative. basically since the late 1980s. At a certain point, it was. inevitable, though not foreseen. by me, that the. people who regulate this stuff would. try to replace the. current population of truckers. with foreigners, because truckers were white men.

and Christian white men, and that's the group, obviously, they Thank you. About 70 percentage, you know, there's a lot of black and Hispanic. truckers from the United States too. I would say legacy. Americans, you know, people have. been here a while. And so there was an attempt, by the way, that's a higher. percentage than the American. population, so it's pretty high. There was an attempted in the United. States to just like, just replace. truckers with people from South. Asia. It's a recent phenomenon and.

it's complex. I don't know if there was. necessarily like a plan behind this. I think there's a lot of different. factors that all came together in. the last few years. And yeah, it's starting to look like. a replacement operation because. you look around on our highways. Most of the truck stops now are, you know, there's this chapter in my. book called The Truck Stops of. Babel, because you know everybody's. speaking different languages, Washing their feet in the sinks. There's just lots of weird little.

cultural things going on out on the. road. And then a lot of the. problems that have come along with. this operation, you know, the non-domiciled CDLs, all of this. stuff is in the news, is a lot. these people are incompetent because. they were never truck drivers where. they were back home. They just came here as, you knows, refugees, asylum seekers, illegal. migrants, what have you. And there's these systems in place. that already existed. To turn through American. drivers. There's the lease operator. scam, which sort of indentures. drivers to the trucks.

The company owns the truck, they. lease it to you, you lease it back. to them, but it's kind of like. sharecropping. And it's meant to download the costs. onto the driver. And as all these systems start. losing customers because people got. wise to this stuff, and then. we have the sort of open borders. policies of various administrations, which really went on steroids under. Biden. The country's flooded with tens of. millions of people. And many of them. start going into the trucking. industry. Some friends of mine have been. studying the sort of issue.

of CDLs by various states. And this has been the sort of locus. of Secretary Duffy's investigations. into this stuff. You know, shout out to Shannon and. his crew at American Truckers United. for doing this. They've found that like, we're. talking hundreds of thousands of. CDLS have been issued in a. suspicious or outright illegal. manner. Many of them to people who. do not qualify under federal. regulations, right? So... There's an old federal regulation. that's been on the books since 1937, which stipulates that to drive a.

commercial vehicle in the United. States, you must have a certain. command of the English language, right? You have to be able to. communicate with law enforcement, the motoring public, read. INFORMATION SIGNS Read. construction signs. We know we have we have signs. everywhere on our highways, you. know, hey this lane is closing. There's construction up ahead. You have to put your tire chains on. to go over Donner Pass You know, the wind is too high in Wyoming and. they're all in English. America's for better or worse in. English country This is a safety. sensitive job where you can crash a.

truck and kill people. You should probably know English in. 2016 the regulation of that. or that should say the enforcement. of that regulation was waived In. the waiting days of the Obama. administration, they just said we're. not going to place trucks out of. service anymore. We're not gonna. place the driver out of the service, we'll just give them a fine and send. them on their way. So this opened up a loophole where. you could bring more people in to. drive trucks who did not meet. this federal requirement. And what was the effect? Well, I mean we're seeing. it all around us, right?

Like I think so. far in 2025 we. had over 30 people in. America killed by people. who are here illegally. The definition of illegal migrant. and legal migrant and trucking is a. little bit of a chimera, right, because a lot of these people showed. up as fake asylum. seekers, right. So they come to. America, they say, hey, I'm from. the Punjab, I am. a devout Sikh. That means the government hates me. because they accuse me of being a.

calistani. Can you please let me. into the United States? And, you know, they get issued a. work visa on the spot and employment. authorization document, no vetting. Nobody knows what they did back. home. Nobody knows anything about. this person, but now they're given. this employment authorization. document and they can go to. the DMV and. Here in Florida or Texas or. California, a lot of people have. tried to make this political, right? Like this is a blue team, red team. thing there. Everyone's blaming. Gavin Newsom. No one believes that. anymore. Oh, I mean, you know, the. number one state for issuing these.

non-domiciled CDLs is Texas. Of course. And one of the number. ones states for, um, bribery at DMVs and corruption. with issuing these CDL's is Florida. Right? So like, it's not, this is. not just like Democrats doing this. Obviously. I mean, the governor and lieutenant. governor of Texas are way more. liberal than a lot of Democrats I. know, and they're both Republicans. I mean, you know, these definitions. are not very helpful, right? We're trying to solve an actual. problem. And another thing that. happens too is like, there's a term.

I use in my book I got from my. friend Ashley called a spreadsheet. brain. And there are people who will. only acknowledge. that there's problem if. the problem has been certified by. an authority and it's been. quantitatively measured, and we have. all the data, we have all the. your anecdotal observations. of reality are dismissed. The fact that the acquisition of. that data is hampered in many ways. is also dismissed, right? Because a lot of collisions.

that are not fatal. Maybe somebody just got really hurt, maybe nobody got hurt, but the. trucks rolled over and all these. cars are wrecked, they don't take. the immigration status of the driver. or where he's from or how he got his. CDL. You only get this. information if somebody died. or if there's like a massive court. case that takes place afterwards, right? So there's a whole lot of. this stuff that does not show up in. official statistics and. so therefore it gets dismissed by. people with spreadsheet brain. Cost of living is already making it. hard to live here, and it's not.

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Describe the job. Oh man, well, the trucking industry is very. diverse. And I mean, in. the truest sense of the word, right? Like there's different types of. freight, different lanes. Some truckers are regional. Some guys are long haul going coast. to coast. Some guys work within specific. industries. They only haul one. product. I've kind of done quite a bit. of things. I started out working for these. guys. Shout out to my friends, the. Paddocks, back home in Stony Creek, Ontario. Hauling steel coils, hauling heavy.

equipment, farm equipment, did all. kinds of stuff for those guys. Where were you hauling it? When I first started, and this is. gonna speak to the training stuff, at first when I was a teenager, I. got my license when I 18, but I. stayed very close to home. So I'm preloading trailers for long. haul guys, chaining downloads, tarping loads, learning how to do. things correctly. So for a couple of years, Hamilton, Toronto, Southern Ontario, then they. let me go a little ways further, Montreal, Detroit. Then a little further away again,

and then eventually, you know, I did. the whole cross-country OTR thing. I've been to all 48 continental. states. What's OTR mean? Over the road. That's the sort of industry slang. for people who go far away and. spend, you know, days and weeks. away from home, hauling the really. long haul stuff, long distance. What's that like? I mean, it's, it, it it's an. interesting sort of lifestyle. It's not for everybody. Um, you know, you have to be. Psychologically in tune with. yourself and happy in your own.

company because you spend an awful. lot of time by yourself in the. truck, but you also have to have a. certain inner strength to. deal with just all the problems. you get. A big issue in trucking. is detention. time. You'll show up at places to. get loaded or unloaded and they take. two hours, four hours, six hours, an. entire day. For many drivers, they don't get. paid for that. And, um, that's, uh, That's. sort of one of the sources of this. claim that there's a driver. shortage. It's actually a capacity. utilization problem. And this was studied by a guy.

at MIT named David Carell, who told the Biden administration in. 2021, by the way, that we don't. need to import more drivers from. overseas or expand, you know, issues of CDL. You just need to get the trucks. moving. Right. So they dismissed that in. favor of ATA propaganda about a. shortage. But anyhow, yeah, you have weather. problems. You have to be able to. deal with. The truck breakdowns. right like you have to be a little. bit mechanically adept. dealing with cold or really hot. like you could be going anywhere in.

the continent so like you sort of. have to you know be able to. deal with adversity and just you. just roll with the many punches that. are thrown your way when you're out. on the road. Where do you spend the night? Do you sleep in the truck? Yep. What's that like? Pretty cozy, actually. At the end of a long day, most of my. most comfortable, restful sleeps. have been in the back of a Kenworth. or a Peterbilt. What do you eat? Hopefully not truck stop food. No, I mean, guys, some guys have fridges and freezers. in their trucks and, you.

know, some guy's cook on the road, some eat at restaurants, some guys. eat too much fast food or junk from. the, you, know, there's. like another Another issue. I think we have in the industry is. the dwindling number of, like, you. know... Old school sort of. homestyle, home-cooked truck stops. That's sort of gone the way of the. dodo in favor of fast truck stops. and fast food places instead. of sit-down restaurants. For the quality of the food is. declined. Yeah, in many ways. There's a few. Again, there's always. notable exceptions to these things,

but in general, yes. What happens if you blow a tire? Oh, that's a good question. Um, back in the old days, you. changed it yourself. And, um, when I was in Australia, I. changed my own tires. They still do that sort of thing. down there. Um, what's that like? I drove road trains for a company in. Western Australia. And, uh, when you're. Road train. A road train is a truck with like. two long trailers or three or four, depending on what part of the country. you're in because- Oh, it's a road. train. Yeah, exactly. It's a train on the road. The name.

describes it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's something I've always. wanted to do. I've been a trucker my. whole life and that's kind of like. one of the holy grails of trucking. in our sort of culture and world. is to go driving the outback and. pull all these trailers. So it took me three different. attempts at doing it, but I finally. got a visa figure it out and I went. and worked for these guys in Perth. And when you're, you know, 700 miles. north of Perth in the middle of. nowhere, you can't just call. Bridgestone or whoever to come. rescue you. Probably hauling ore, I. would imagine. I never did the ore. stuff. I hauled equipment.

for offshore drilling rigs because. you went there, you went to Dampier, didn't you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. When you were on tour in Australia, yeah so off that shore, off that. coast there is one of the world's. largest deposits of natural gas. Yep. And so I was hauling equipment. and drilling mud and. salt and all the different things. they need on drilling. rig. And there was also an onshore. natural gas processing facility. in a little place called Onslow. I hauled equipment and you know. scrap and all kinds of stuff in and. out of. I used to haul some things to.

Newman. So yeah but like you know on the. question of changing tires and. fixing your own equipment you know. when you're in these remote areas. you have to be able to sort of do. that. You have to have a skill level. and a competency level to look after. your gear And. that is something that, you know, has... At least here in America and. Canada been slowly been attacked by. they don't want you to change your. entire, just call a tire guy. They don't you working on the. truck. They're like, they've. attacked the idea that you are. a skilled, competent.

operator that knows what you're. doing. Right. Because they want. things done cheap. Get somebody that's just a steering. wheel holder and, you know, does. what they're told and looks into the. driver facing camera and, you. know submits to the electronic. logging device that manages your. hours. You know, don't even, just don't, you know, you don't have any choice. You don't any agency behind the. wheel anymore. Right. That's what, that's what the. industry is moving towards before. they. You know nothing about the machine, you're just the guy holding the. steering wheel.

The system in place to. train drivers in North America, for the most part, operates on that premise. So it's degraded the pride that. people have in holding the job. Uh, in many ways, yes. Yeah, so it's turned men. ever closer into machines. Right, of course. Yeah, you're the human robot. I get it. This is part of, again, of a larger. trend. Oh, it's much larger, yeah. What was the last time you heard. someone on their deathbed saying. they wish they'd spent more time. working, particularly filling out.

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runaway truck lane. Will you explain what that is and-. So if you're going down a steep. grid and you. lose control of your truck or the. brakes burn off because you're down. the hill not knowing what you're. doing, you weren't trained properly, you're supposed to go into one of. these lanes and. it slows you down so you don't. wreck, right? You don't run off the. road and crash. Right, it's like soft gravel or sand. or something. Funny you bring that up. There's been a few incidents, one. very recently in a place.

in Colorado called Wolf Creek Pass, which is the name of. a song by a guy named C.W. McCall, or at least that was the. stage name. He's the guy that wrote the song. Convoy and you're very popular back. in the 70s. So Wolf Creek pass has got a number. of these runaway truck ramps because. it's, I don't know how many. thousands of feet up. 11,000 or something. It's very high. It's wicked, yeah. And one of these. in-source drivers from India, I went down that hill apparently. had some kind of massive brake. failure and don't.

couldn't read the signs about. runaway truck ramp didn't know what. it was and then went off the side of. the road truck rolled over numerous. times and he's now dead. You know there was a crash in. Colorado very famously where. I think the gentleman was from Cuba. went down this hill on. interstate 70 in Colorado. and ended up crashing into bunch of. people set off a giant inferno. Uh, you know, he survived a bunch. of other people didn't same thing. Uh, didn't know what he was doing.

Didn't you drove right by all these. runaway truck ramps? Because if you can't read English, then you don't know what runaway, truck ramp means. How do you burn your brakes that you. said if you don't know what you're. doing, you can burn up your brakes? Well, when you're going down the. hill, you're supposed to let, you. know, your engine compression. or an engine brake or, you, know, just driving down the hills slowly. Downshift. Yeah. And you have to be taught. that. And a lot of these. truck driving schools today, again, this process of de-skilling and. making people less competent, less. proud, which, you now, overlaps with the kind of people.

that won't fight back. Um That's just, they don't teach you that. You know, there's a few schools that. do. I interviewed a guy that runs a. truck driving school in British. Columbia who specifically teaches. people how to get through the. mountains, very well regarded. But again, he's the edge case. He is the minority in the industry. today. Amazing. What are the, before. we even get to that, you. alluded to it's too windy in. Wyoming. What does that mean? Uh, so tracks, you know, it's a. big wind sale.

Imagine a van trailer, a 53 foot van. trailer. Yeah. And it's eight feet high. So it's like, you know, f it's. nearly 500 square feet of. like wall. Right. And when you don't have anything in. the trailer or you have a very light. load, you get a 50, 60, 70 mile an hour wind. It just blows you over. Right. And that's, so they close the. road all the time in Wyoming and. other parts of the country where. there's really high winds, Kansas, they get these crazy wind storms. And they just take you away. So you're supposed to park, right? And again, they have warning signs.

for this all along. various interstates saying, hey, high profile vehicles must stop. You know, if you just showed up. here from Somalia and you don't. speak English and you. just charge right on through and you. get blown over by the wind, you know, the people that hire these. folks not training them, which is. part of the point, are setting them. up for failure. You know, I mentioned this gentleman. who crashed in Colorado on Wolf. Creek Pass. There's this thing called the Dunkey. Route, which is a human.

smuggling route that goes through. Central America and they have. agents in India. You know there's been a documentary. about this, I'm not making it up. And these young guys in India who. are, you know, they see videos of, you know, their co-ethnic. friends here and cars and girls and. houses and, oh I'm going to go to. America and make it, but. you know they can't get visas for. whatever reason. So they go through this donkey. route, they get to the Mexican. border, they claim asylum. Oh, I'm seeking asylum from Narendra.

Modi, you know, he's. going to attack me because I'm a. calisthenic. He's not attacking your. family who are still at home and who. have leveraged everything they have. to pay the human smugglers to get. you here, and now you're in debt to. them, right? And then you go work for some. trucking company, usually, but not. always, owned by your fellow. Indians. And they don't teach you very much. of anything. Just get in the truck. and go make money. And if you don't. like it, we'll just send you back. home. And now you're $30,000 in debt. to human smokers, right? So the exploitation going on. here, this is not just a matter of. like beating up on immigrants,

right. We have a massive- The immigrants. aren't the evil ones in this story. No, no, no not at all. No, no, no. No, I agree. No, and the exploitation, and they're the ones getting killed. too, right? So all these crashes. that have been in the news, there's. usually also a guy driving the. truck. You know, I went and searched. GoFundMe the other day and punched. in like truck drivers sing. I noticed this a few weeks ago and I. was writing an article for my sub. stack, 249. campaigns by Indian.

families trying to get their. husband's uncle's father's. Remains sent back to India because. they came here got in a truck had. no idea what they were doing got. involved in a collision 250 yeah, that's just the one name saying I. mean that's not any other. nationality. That's not Any other just same just. saying seeks yeah. 250 of these guys with active. campaigns run by their families. either to pay medical bills or to. have their bodies sent back to India. That is shocking.

It is and you know what's even more. shocking is the fact that nobody. wants to talk about this So. i've been writing about the trucking. industry now for a few years which. sort of led to this book You know on. the side right like i've written for. newsweek and the american. conservative a few other places your. friend oren cass american compass. and Um, I have tried to alert through. my various media contacts, folks in the mainstream media or the. left, right? Washington Post, New York Times,

um, various smaller leftist places. Guys, we have a problem here in. trucking. We're talking about it in. the right wing media because, you. know, apparently they're all. anti-immigrant secret racists or. whatever, but like you guys are. not talking about it. There's a lot of racism here but. it's not from truckers, it's from the people who run these. countries who hate the native. populations of these countries, our. countries, Canada, the United. States, Australia, New Zealand, UK. That's just a fact, that's where. the racism is. Stop lecturing me about racism.

Yeah, and I. think it's also, like you say, it's so much exploitation, but these. guys don't want to talk about it, you know, and when they do, it is these really terrible puff. pieces, right? So there was one in The Guardian. the other day, Trump is. a meanie for enforcing English. language rules. There was a couple written back. before Christmas, one in the New. York Times, one in the LA Times. about, you know. California based Indian trucking. companies that can't get drivers. anymore because their drivers are. afraid of ice or being abused out on.

the highway. The other truckers are racist to. them at the truck stop or whatever. But in none of these pieces, do they. investigate the safety records of. the carriers involved? Do they investigate human smuggling? Do they the fact. that this is kind of a program from. Narendra Modi, right? We have this sort of, you. know. A profit through immigration. policy of sending. his people everywhere. This is not just limited to H1Bs. and tech, you know, like this is. also in trucking. And India's GDP is now like, what,

three or four percent built on. remittances. And they're not the. only country that does this, but. like it's official policy from. Narendra Modi, right? Send my guys over there, let them. go. Now they're like less of a. political problem to me. They send money home. That's not through, you. know, the IMF or. some financiers, there's no. strings attached to remittances, right? They just come home and get. spent, however, and it's like a. pressure release valve for countries. with like dysfunctional economies. or dysfunctional governments to. just like send all their people into.

the West. And the whole like, you know, Indians getting into trucking thing. is not unique to the United. States. It's a problem in Canada, New Zealand, Australia. And, you know, again. The problem is less that, you know, these people are from India, the. problem is that the lack of training. in Canada, there's this thing called. Driver Incorporated, which is this. sort of tax avoidance scam, kind of like, you know, hiring. employees on a 1099, which would be. misclassification. That's rampant in the Canadian. trucking industry in Australia. They call it sham contracting.

And it, you know, it gives. the companies that employ these guys. a business advantage. because now their overheads are. lower because they're not. Paying for Canada Pension. Plan contributions or. unemployment insurance or payroll. taxes. They're just not paying any of that, right? And now the drivers are. also precarious because the drivers. are essentially. being paid cash, right. And if you don't get paid, then. what? There's been a number of. stories in Canada of drivers who.

went to work on this sort of driver. incorporated thing, and. then they find themselves not being. paid. The companies just don't pay. them. And then what are you going to do. about it? You know, like. It's just, it's just another form of. it's exploiting the government. It's exploating the drivers, it. exploiting everybody. And it introduces a whole lot of. people onto our highways, which are. a common space, right? They're our highways. The interstates are paid for by the. taxpayer. They were built by our. forefathers. The highways are public, and we. are allowing people who are.

engaging in criminality to put. untrained, unvetted, oftentimes illiterate people that. have no idea what they're doing, who. are being economically exploited to. be this most critical link in. the entire economy, right? Like truckers move everything, and. have allowed the entire industry. to just be parasitized by foreign. gangsters. It's criminal. We praise-. The war with Iran ends immediately, but the truth is it doesn't seem to. be. If you're the head of. households, you need to think. through what this could mean for you.

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family is ready. Stock up on the products that we. trust at lastcountrysupply.com. slash Tucker. I know it's been a tragedy for you. personally, but I'm glad you're not. driving anymore because this is, I. can't imagine a more. informed, articulate wise. Observer of what's happening than. you, um, I. mean, if you're, if you're. representative of the average. American truck. We need to protect them at all. costs. I appreciate the sentiment and the. compliment, Tucker.

I'm just a guy, man. I was approached to write the book. A friend of mine, my buddy Oliver. Bateman, shout out Oliver, he. encouraged me to start a substack. and a podcast. And I just, I don't know, people. said there's something going on. here. Maybe you should look into it. And I said, yes. How dangerous is it as a job? I mean, it seems inherently. It's one of the top 10 most. dangerous jobs in America, actually, because of the risk. of collision and falling. off loading docks and getting in and. out of trucks. There's other stuff. going on here, but it's mostly all.

the collisions. You're just at risk of being hit by. truckers. What's the most dangerous? So as someone who's done long haul. trucking, what did you think. were the most dangerous moments? Oh man, good question. I mean, there's managed. danger, right? I hauled a lot of. logs. I haul logs down. volcanoes in New Zealand when I. lived in New Zeeland. If you're trained correctly and. you have good, well-maintained. equipment and you're working for a. competent company that cares about. you, that pays you well, those dangers are mitigated.

People used to ask me, because I. did Four Seasons up on the ice roads. in the Northwest Territories, Oh, isn't that crazy, you know when. you're driving around the frozen. lakes? Like it's boring. They plow the road a hundred feet. wide. It's totally managed They. have these guys driving around with. like ground penetrating radar. They manage the ice. They flood the cracked parts You're. doing 17 miles an hour There's. no cars to interact with like. it's actually the most safe road in. the world per ton miles traveled. The most unsafe thing.

you can do is drive up and down. interstate 81 or across 40. or whatever. Yeah 95 of it. Yeah, like it's yeah, the. the the remote, seemingly dangerous. things are actually very safe, and the unsafe stuff is to drive. around on an American interstate. right now. Did you spend four seasons ice. trucking? Yes, sir. You ever seen anything weird? You're just so in the middle of. nowhere. You're so. I've seen herds of caribou. and arctic foxes. and you know when you get north of.

the tree line on your way to the. mine you sort of get out into. subarctic tundra. It's all very beautiful. How cold is it? Aurora borealis and. stuff at night. I've, yeah, it'll average, you know, anywhere during the season. You know, it's in the minus 20s, minus 30s most of the time. You'll get down below minus 40. I've been outside making a repair. on my trailer at like 53 below. So it can get pretty cold. Wow. And you don't turn the truck off. No, no, no.

I just set it on high idle when. you're sleeping or unloading or. whatever. Yep. What's it like driving through a. crowded urban area in a big. truck? Well, now see that that's fun. I used to do a lot of deliveries. around Toronto when I was younger. and that's where I sort of like, you. know, cut my teeth at this sort. of stuff, right? You're driving. around places where everyone's. driving like a maniac and there's. lots of people around and. that's the challenge. I think one of the more dangerous. jobs I ever had was hauling fuel to. gas stations. I did that for about a. year or so in the greater Toronto.

area and people cutting you off and. in and out of traffic and you. see people doing really dumb things. at gas stations, you know, smoking. and... You know, just ignoring the. fact that there's like a truck here. with fuel coming out of the hoses. into the ground tanks and there's a. giant bomb next to getting too. close to you. When you're driving a fuel truck, do you ever imagine what would. happen if you had an accident? I mean, you're. aware, you try to imagine not. getting in one and you try and.

envision all of the... Factors at play. When you haul stuff that's. considered dangerous like fuel or. when you're going down a mountain. with logs, you have to have full. situational awareness. You have to be constantly thinking. about, where's my out if somebody. cuts me off? What's going on as I go around this. corner? What is that guy doing over. there? It keeps you awake and it's. actually pretty mentally and. physically draining because you're. just always constantly aware.

You know, I mean, this is why I've. never been involved in a collision. Like I've ever hit anybody, you. know, been doing this for almost 30. years. And it's just because you just. have to be fully aware of what's. going on. Are the trucks moving to. automatic transmissions? Oh yeah, that's been going on for. decades now. Okay, so you're not you don't have. 16 gears and I mean, I don't. I mean, I don't, I don't drive those. trucks. They do have the, there's. still sticks. There's, this is a bit. of an interesting trucker. culture debate, um, automatics. versus sticks. And in the process,

one of my main critiques, I mean you. want to drive an automatic. transmission, whatever, but like. the, the development. and the imposition of automatic. transmissions into big trucks. was done on purpose. Why? To de-skill the job and get more. people behind the wheel. It may have the fringe benefit now. that we've had big truck automatic. transmissions for a couple of. decades. Yes, in some cases they get. better fuel mileage matched. with certain types of engines and. that's fine. And that's great. But the imposition of them was not.

for that. It was to reduce the barrier. to entry into the job and get. more people in it who are less. skilled and less competent. And again, you see the results all. around you. How are we, I don't mean this in a. patriotic way, but like, how did you. learn so much about. the world? Were you, I mean, if. you're driving all the time, you. can't read while you drive. How do you listen to podcasts, listen to audio books? Is that is that common? Oh yeah, yeah, my book will. be out on audiobook narrated by me. So, I mean, so if you do.

it right, like long haul trucking is. like kind of a college course. as well as a job. It can be, I mean, part. of the reason I wrote this and I, you know, people say I'm passionate. about it and I get worked up about. it is that truck driving has been. very good to me, right? It's been, it's critical to the. economy. Everybody, everything we. have here was all delivered by. truck. The process, the industrial. processes which make everything. involve trucking. It's the same in every country. Like it's an important and. critical job. And again, third generation trucker,

my dad's a trucker. He's still out on the road. My uncle Chris drove truck for. years, established a freight. brokerage in Canada, an honest one. Unfortunately, they're not so honest. anymore. My uncle Bruce hauled logs and heavy. equipment in Northwestern Ontario, the kind of place you would love to. go fishing. My grandpa drove truck across the. Trans-Canada Highway when it was. first built in like 1960 across. Lake Superior, in a truck with. no bunk, sleeping across the seats, no air conditioning, You know, that threat of the truck freezing up. in the winter. You know, like my grandpa.

was a tough bastard and like. truckers in general were that way, you know. I mean, the technology has. improved and whatnot, but you. know, I feel very strongly. about this industry that served my. family so well and so many other. families so well, you know? And one of the things that's not. talked about with this displacement. problem as of late. is that many. multi-generational American. trucking companies have gone out of. business in the last few years. So since...

2022, the freight market. has been in what some people call. the Great Freight Recession. We're starting to come out of it. here in the last few months, but, you know... There's a website called Freight. Waves. I'm friends with the guy that. runs it and a few of the people that. write there. And they have a section. of their website called Layoffs and. Bankruptcies. And they people whose full-time. job is to document American. trucking companies going out of. business or closing or drivers being. laid off or having financial. difficulties. And it's been humming for four.

years. Meanwhile, We get more and. more people on our highways, from. places like Kyrgyzstan and. Tajikistan and India. and Pakistan and. all across Central America. and sending their wages. home and remittances or paying human. smugglers to get them here and. American trucking companies are. closing. And that hasn't stopped under the. current administration. Well, there's a bunch of stuff going. on right now, you know, Trump, I think President Trump and. Transportation Secretary Duffy are.

trying really hard to fix. trucking. It's one of the sort of, you, know, I mean, President Trump's. up to some interesting things here. as of late, but we'll leave that to. the side. But I think what they're. trying to do to help American. truckers is good. They reinforced this English. language proficiency thing that. was, you know, the enforcement. of which was waived under the Obama. administration. Interestingly enough, the Federal. Motor Carrier Safety Administration, Functionary, who sent out the memo. saying don't put these guys out. of service anymore, he's now in. charge of the hazmat's division of.

FMCSA, so this guy that, like, helped open up the problem is still. working there. So maybe Duffy could. fire him or something, I don't know. What's his name? I can't remember and I don't. want to be mean to the fella. On the question of the. administration doing things, ELP was great, but it's only. nibbling around the edges. This sort of parasitism of the. industry, I think. Duffy and the FMCSA and. USDOT don't quite understand that. we're dealing with people who don't.

view our. safety-driven compliance culture. in the same way we do, right? So. Okay. So for instance, cultural orientation matters. It certainly does. So let me give you an example. A few weeks ago, this was all over. the news. These gentlemen in India were killed. in a very tragic incident where a. driver from Kyrgyzstan working. for a company owned by a guy. from Kyrgizstan operating out of. Chicago.

Uh, stop traffic instead. of driving into the field to the. right, the guy from Kyrgyzstan drove. left into oncoming traffic, hit a. van with a bunch of Amish guys and. it killed four of them. Tragic incident. Okay. So he's been arrested. That's all happening. A week later on the same. road in the same county in. Indiana, another truck blew. a stop sign, almost killed somebody. else. The cops pull the truck. over, owned by. an Indian company. Driven by somebody who illegally. immigrated here two years ago,

no CDL. At all commercial. driver's license. No, no commercial driver's license. The CVSA, Commercial Vehicle Safety. Alliance, which is this sort of like. loose organization of enforcement. authorities in Mexico, the United. States, and Canada. They do these. blitzes and then they compile. statistics on, you know, what are. the violations? What are truckers. doing wrong every year, right? One of the number one. driver violations is not. having a CDL at all. Or a metaphor card, right?

So what I'm trying to get at here is. we have people operating in the. American and Canadian trucking. industry who do not share our. compliance and safety culture. And because the money they're making. is being sent back home to. like prop up other countries'. economies, they don't care, right. So like ice could arrest some guy at. a truck stop and kick him out of the. country. The guy that owns the truck. is just gonna put another one of his. co-ethnics in the truck, right, they have to start seizing trucks. The English language. proficiency stuff is like it's all.

well and good, but the economic. forces at play here either. from the corporations that continue. to hire these guys through brokers. or the. incentives for these guys from. overseas to continue sending their. people here to parasitize. off of our trucking industry are too. great. They are not just going to. follow the rules. You can make all the new rules you. want. A lot of these guys are just not. going to follow them. You have to remove the people and. then you have to seize the trucks. Has that happened?

Well, you know, there's been some. ICE stuff at a few, like, you know, inspection stations. Some states are cooperating. Oklahoma is a good example of this. There was one in Indiana, where you know ICE is working with. DOT truck inspections, pulling guys out. That's fine. But, you know, again, these corporate lobbyists, so Arizona, they tried to. propose a rule to seize the trucks, right? So if a truck is found to. have an illegal immigrant or.

work authorization, the. truck would be seized, right? And then the company would have to. come and explain themselves. Like, why are you hiring these. people to drive trucks? Why are you doing all this illegal. business? And then maybe you'll get your truck. back. Maybe you won't. The people who objected to that were. the Arizona Trucking Association. Yeah, yeah. So what's going on here? Let me tell you a little bit of. industry lingo. There's something called power only. So this was a model of trucking. where The truck and. the driving...

Part of a business is subcontracted. out. The trailer, the load, the. service is still owned by. another company, right? So the people who perfected this was. Federal Express. Years and years and years ago, it. used to be a good model, you know? You could have your own truck, you. could be a subcontractor to FedEx, pull their trailers and make. money and it was fine. That system has run into. the sort of importation of in-source. illegal migrants for lack of a. better word. And now Amazon does. it.

90-Something percent of Amazon. subcontractors are owned by these. small carriers that are often. headquartered overseas or. headquarter in Chicago in ethnic. enclaves like Elk Grove Village or. Glendale, California with the. Armenians, and they. employ their co-ethnics or. guys with suspicious work. visas or no work visas, or no CDLs, and then they go haul all of. Amazon's stuff through the Amazon. Relay program. I think six of the executives of the. Amazon Relay program are Indian.

guys or from India or live in India. I don't know. Anyway, that model, the big trucking. companies who are represented by. the American Trucking Associations. have looked at Amazon and FedEx. and said, why should we even. bother owning trucks? We'll just have our trailer pools. and our customers and we'll. subcontract out the driving and. the owning of the trucks to all of. this cheap labor. J.B. Hunt does this, Knight-Swift, Werner. And they don't.

want to own trucks because hiring. Americans and paying for trucks, there's business reasons for this to. write too. The cost of compliance, the. cost of insurance, the costs of. dealing with all this, it's a very. hostile business environment. So I sort of understand what they're. doing, but the power only model. right now mostly rides. on insourced labor. Right? And what this does is it. allows them to say, hey, we are still this American trucking. company. Look at us. We're servicing our customers, but. they're not actually employing.

They're, they're trying to get away. from employing people at all and. moving to the power only model. It's a skin suit. It's not really an American company. Right. Yeah. There's a whole lot of. that skin suit stuff going on. And I mean, there's this problem. with chameleon carriers, right? So people ask us all the time, like, what's going on with the. enforcement? These guys get in. crashes, they kill all these people, but then they just pop up again. somewhere else. And so we have a problem which, you know, I think Duffy and Derek. Bars, the FMCSA are working. towards solving, but.

a company will register under. an I'll see and then I'll have. what's called a motor carrier. registration number. That motor carrier registration. number is how all of their. violations and inspections and. whatnot are accumulated. to and then the government is. supposed to impose accountability on. them. But what happens is when. a company's motor carrier number. gets too many violations, they get. too much heat from the feds or. whatever state, they just shut that. company down. They move the equipment and the. drivers to another one under a.

separate motor carrier number and. there's an open market and buying. and selling those, which They're. supposed to be clamping down on, but. I'm not sure how that works. And then they just keep. operating, right? There was a very famous incident. here where this Cuban. migrant working for a company called. Hope Trans crashed into a family, killed almost all of them in Texas. And Hope Trans has been on the. feds' radar forever, you know, I. think they're run by people from. Moldova, you now, again, they. have no skin in the game here in. America, why would they? They don't.

care. And, you know, they hire. migrants and people that don't know. any better. You know, they back door into their. electronic logging devices. Um, yeah, this is another, this was. another honor thing. So in 2017, American truckers were forced to. accept into their trucks, this thing. called the electronic logging. device, right? It's supposed to manage your hours. and make it so that you can't cheat. on your hours, and just keep. working. The problem with that is... And the justification of safety. The justification was safety and.

it turns out that it has not. improved safety. In fact, it has. made it worse and because. of the self-certification process. with electronic logging device. providers, you can just sort of sign. off and say to the government, yep, we met all of your requirements. Meanwhile, there's a guy in an. office in Serbia who you text. on Telegram when you say, Hey. man, I'm almost out of my hours. And they like back door into the. ELD, rewrite everything. And then you just keep driving and. roadside enforcement people have no. way of catching that. So it's like electronic voting, it. can be subverted.

Yeah! Analogy. Well, anything digital can. be subverted. Yeah, that's exactly what's going. on. And I mean, even before we. became wise to the fact it was being. subverted by these foreign actors. working in our trucking industry, the ELD mandate never accounted. for the incentive structure for. drivers, many of whom only get paid. by the mile are constantly being. delayed. And so, you know, if you hold them up and they. only get to drive so many hours a. day and they're only being paid by. mile, they end up driving like.

maniacs, So, there was. a study done by Overdrive Online, a trucking magazine. In conjunction with these other guys. and it proved that. after the ELD mandate, all of the safety concerns. it was said to solve, you know, aggressive driving, guys driving. tired, guys speeding, guys getting. in crashes, all that stuff. went up after the ELD mandate. was imposed, right? And there was this lady who was in. charge of the Federal Motor Carrier. Safety Administration for a while. named Robin Hutchison, she was.

asked about reviewing that, hey, look, This is the numbers don't. match. Well, we're not gonna change it, right? When the government has shown. that a policy or regulation or. mandate they impose on Americans. doesn't work, like they're. not going to change it. Like they have their thing now, right, and like whatever you say. doesn't matter. You're describing a chaotic and. corrupt system that's becoming more. chaotic and more corrupt like a lot. of systems um, and so. it I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

that we just had a tractor trailer. full of our nicotine. pouches alp stolen. And apparently somebody just. walked in to the facility with. a fake id got in the truck and. drove it off And then it just. somehow disappeared. So that sounded fantastical. to me. Like I couldn't believe that. happened. Well, freight fraud and cargo theft. is just astronomical. So that's my question. Yeah. This is not unusual. This is not unusual at all. And in fact, it's like a major, major concern. Like we're talking. hundreds of millions, if not. billions of dollars in it.

It's not just the cargo theft, right? Like, so there's this. thing called double brokering, which. is illegal, where a. load broker, which is one of these. intermediaries that goes between. shippers and trucking companies, well, a shipper will say, hey, load broker we need to move. this load. The load broker will. advertise it on some kind of board. or an app and then trucking company. will bid on it. Other brokers will get themselves. involved and then. Broker it again, and then take their. cut. And then sometimes, because. there's all these intermediaries, and nobody's quite sure who's.

who, and a lot of them are located. overseas, just the. theft going on with that is. incredible. And there's organized gangs, for lack of a better word, who. abuse all of the sort of. holes in the system that are. presented with this sort of. technological distance between all. of the people involved. I'm sure that happened with your. case, and I would Suggest to your. friends at Al... Hire an American trucking company. Go talk to them in person. Don't use load brokers. Well, that's probably. wise advice so but how did I.

I'm a little bit confused by how. this works So I was aware. of the electronic monitoring. of truckers because I know some. truckers and they resent it Yes, right. So I know that a. truck is being followed at all. times. It's find my phone on. a big scale. Yeah So how could how. could you say? If I take my truck, which is a. Chevy Silverado 2017, and try and run away, the authorities can find me because. GM will track my truck. Well, you have an old one too,

though, right? You've got like a. 1980s. I have a 1987 also. Yeah, you should drive that one. Well, it constantly breaks. So if I was actually gonna run away. I know some good mechanics. I do too. It's. I do too, it's just old and it's a. bad climate, but it's not about me. My only point is Your. truck that you have in your. driveway that you put your kids in, you know Your pickup truck can be. tracked period. All of our vehicles can be trapped. by the government and are How. can how can a thief steal.

a big rig and not be. tracked? I don't what is going on? Well, I mean, the information doesn't. necessarily go to. the government right away. No, it doesn't. And then also, you know, they. can spoof it. They can switch. So like, you can. take a trailer, right? With a truck that's being tracked, meet another guy at a truck stop, drop the trailer on hook from it, hook it up to another truck and keep. going. And that may have been what. happened to your load. You know, I recommended my friend,

uh, Ryan Joyce at GenLog. So you know how these flock camera. things are around, like spying on. everybody. There's a network in place like that. for trucks of video cameras. And this, this company called. GenLogg's manages it. I sent Lexi their contacts. and maybe they can help you find. your Alps, I don't know. But there are all these. tracking systems. But again, they can be spoofed, you. can switch trucks. When you're dealing with thieves who. steal whole truckloads of things, they know this, they're not stupid. It gets unloaded right away,

transferred to another rig, distributed to whoever's going to. sell the stolen material. So there's got to be, I mean, there's obviously an entire network. of what we used to call fences. people. Many networks, yeah. There was a network. of these people in California busted. a little while ago, and they were. called the Singh Organization. because everybody involved. had that Punjabi. name, Singh. It's an appellation. It means lion. It means a devotee of Guru Nanak. It is not actually the last name.

But there's tons of this. It has hundreds and hundreds of. millions of dollars. Between stealing the loads, moving. them around, stealing the cargo, skimming off truckers. So like some of these load brokers. that are scummy will hire a trucker. and just not pay them. They'll get their payment. We're in Serbia. We shut down. Who cares? Right? Or some other country. It could be Serbia, Moldova, Colombia, Pakistan. The entire world is. involved in the American. transportation system. Another interesting development. that's come up is that.

military freight. You know, my friend Danielle has. been covering this, um... Very well. Everybody should go. follow her. Her name is Danielle. Chauvin. She writes this. sub-step called Highway Veritas. Excellent researcher. She knows the whole thing top to. bottom. And what we're seeing is. that these guys who are here. from whatever country, Moldova, Ukraine, India, Russia, are hauling US military freight. And that military- Actually? Yeah. They're hauling us- We're at. war with half the world. I know. And they're haul our freight.

on our highways. The loads are being. distributed illegally. What does that mean, distributed. illegally? So basically, there's this regulation, and I can't. remember the name of it right now, within the United States Military. Procurement Department of War that. says for certain. types of military equipment moves, you may not use a broker or. a third party logisticus provider. It has to be an approved carrier by. the United State's military. That regulation is constantly. being ignored.

You're saying the same thing with. the United states Postal Service. The United States Postal Service has. a regulation that says Nobody but. Americans may touch the mail or. something like this and. their entire. freight contractor network of people. who are pulling trailers full of US. mail is using all of these. carriers sometimes who are based. overseas, many of them using these. non-domiciled CDL drivers, don't. speak English, dangerous, poor. safety records, that's who's hauling. our mail. They tried to stop doing that in. October and the whole system almost.

seized up and they haven't figured. out how to like get these guys. out or hire back Americans to. do the job. And back to the military. thing. So on the point about data and. these ELDs, all. the information about bases, pictures of the loads being hauled, what they are, military. documents about the military. equipment being moved gets entered. into these logging devices because. they have interoperability.

It's also like accounting and. monitoring the trucks performance. and sending communications. back and forth between the. dispatcher of the driver and the. driver. So all of that data, all of the metadata about the. location of bases and the stuff. being moved, is being sent overseas. and then to who? Who knows, right? Like it could end up at an office in. the Ukraine somewhere. It could end in an office in Europe. or South America or India, and. then those guys could be selling it. to Russia, to China, to who. knows? Nobody knows.

All of these military. move metadata is. leaving the country via technology. that our government forced on us to. make us more safe, which did not. make us safe, and is facilitating. our replacement by people from. overseas. You got it? HAHAHAHA. This is where we're bumping. up against the point where this. interview was bumming me out too. much. Well, dude, like, hey. man, I want to be trucking. I don't want to be a writer. I'm not, I'm a little bit of a nerd,

but I'm not that much of a nerdy. I would like to be out trucking and. I'm that because the industry. doesn't pay. They don't honor skill and. competency and many actors within it. would rather hire people from. overseas who are exploited labor. End of story. That's all there is to. it. It just does challenge. the nature of our system. because you can't run a. country in the way that we're. running it. because you're just too vulnerable.

to exploitation and. attack and subversion. and destruction, especially if you're in conflict. with other big countries. It's not gonna work. So that makes me sad. on that level. It's all very silly and again, you know, it's not just like me. losing my job. This is not some like, oh, woe is. me or woe's my fellow truckers. This is a national security issue. Oh, well, that's very obvious. So, okay, I just, I never do this, but I think.

it's important. End of the Road, Inside the. War on Truckers by Gord McGill is. the book. I'm not a book seller, but. this book is worth selling. I wish you know since since I. finished writing it so much more has. happened right like it I submitted. the final manuscript in October and. now you know again back to Duffy and. President Trump there the. government's trying to respond but. it's in sometimes mealy-mouthed. ways where everyone and their. dog in Congress introduced a new law. to deal with the English language.

stuff. I'm like, it's already a law, just enforce it. You're making a law for no reason. But then there's this other one. called Delilah's Law, introduced. in the Senate by Senator. Jim Banks from Indiana, named after. this little girl who President Trump. alluded to in his State. of the Union speech, who was hit by a driver, an illegal. driver from India. You know, now she's got cerebral. palsy. She was in hospital for. months, had to have her brain. reconstructed. Terrible, terrible, terrible story. You know I know her father, Marcus,

and that's. in front of Congress now. They just introduced some amendments. to it yesterday to hopefully clamp. down on this. There's a Supreme Court case right. now that just finished hearing oral. arguments. Montgomery versus Karibay. Which hinges on this question of. freight brokers, right? Because one of the problems with the. safety issue is this division. between like the people that own and. drive the trucks and the people. farming out the loads. And right now all of the load. brokers have been taking advantage.

of the fact that like they don't. have to do any of the safety checks. and they own no liability or. accountability. And this Supreme Court case. The all upside economic model that. Americans love. Right. Yeah. No, it's all upside. Yeah, so there's another, there's. another little piece of news here. I've been asked to relate to you by. an anonymous source about another. court case that's going to be filed. here soon by some trucking. companies in Oklahoma against. JB Hunt against CH Robinson, TQL, all these big brokers, you.

know, that that's going to attack. this problem and say like, you guys. can't keep doing this. You can't keep using these unsafe. carriers and saying it's not our. problem. You can't come and take. our work, right? Like these guys in Oklahoma are. trying to show that we have these. customers we haul for, and then. the brokers come in, undercut us, don't even use their own trucks and. farm the loads out to these. operations that are all kind of. illegals, right. So that's going to be entered in. soon. And I think it's being, I. think one of the lawyers involved. are Nick Patterson, who are part of.

the opioid stuff and fighting the. tobacco companies. So that that's news. That's just yesterday. I just got the document sent to me. yesterday. This is such a minor question, but. do truckers still smoke? I mean, some do, some pop Zyns, some. eat Alp. I don't know, I'm. not a nicotine guy. But yeah, I think there's a few. guys. How did she make it so many years in. the cab without nicotine? Uh, will power allowed music and. coffee and. staying healthy? I don't know. When you're driving up on. the ice in the Northwest Territories.

and there's no radio reception, what. do you do for music? Other satellite radio and, you. know, back in the day, CDs, audio books, music on your phone, stuff like that. You know, I miss Canada. It's kind of a shame what's going on. with it right now. We're going to do a very long. segment as soon as I can find the. right person to do it on what's. happening in your native country, Canada. But I just want to end with your. assessment of what is happening in. Canada, because I. Yeah. So, um, you know, last time I was on.

your show, I talked about these guys. called the Kutz 4. And then you went to Alberta and. talked about them when nobody else. would. And thank you very much for. that. I know all those guys, uh, they extend great gratitude towards, your highlighting of their. situation. I love Canada, actually. Yeah, yeah. And the Canadian media just either. lied about them or, you know, misinformed everybody about it. But they're all out of jail now. There's an. appeal to the minor charges in their. case because the original, the. big thing that got everybody scared, this conspiracy to murder police.

officers was thrown out of court, not guilty. And it looks like that they were. made into the Fall Guys by... The Crown Prosecutor involved in the. case, and there was a number of. charter breaches in how. the case was prosecuted, warrants. The whole thing is very messy. And right now, the last two guys, so. two guys got out almost two years to. the day of their arrest on unrelated. charges, which were bogus. They've been out for a while. The other two gentlemen, Chris. Carbert and Tony Olienek, were. recently released under something. called bail on appeal.

And those two, There. was the minor charges that they were. convicted of, which were also BS, are being appealed. And that appeal was, the ruling on. that appeal is supposed to come down. last month in February, but because. it's so hot and the Canadian. government is involved, it's going. to be September of this year or. maybe next year, I'm not 100% sure. But those guys are out, that's good. My friends Chris Barber and Tamara. Leach, you know, they are on. house arrest right now. They were the most pursued members. of the Freedom Convoy.

A Tenzin tens of. millions of dollars were expended by. the government to pursue peaceful. protesters. Although that part of the story. is coming to an end, this Mark Carney guy, man, one of the things Trudeau tried to. do in the wake of the freedom convoy. was clamp down on free speech, right? There was this bill, I think. it was called C-63. Yeah, and human rights in Canada. Right, pretty much, and that died. when they had the election, and now. it's being resuscitated under this. bill called C-9.

They don't want you to notice that. youth unemployment is through the. roof in Canada. They don't want you. notice that Chinese companies. are buying up Canadian mines. They don't want you noticed that. there's like 5 million extra people. in the country on temporary work. permits that the Carney government. is talking about letting some of. them stay. They don't want you to notice that. your whole country is just sort of. falling apart at the seams. economically. They don t want you. notice that the government just. allows thievery to happen. There was this Stellantis,

the guys that own Chrysler. The Canadian government gave them 15. billion dollars to invest in. Canada. Stellantis ran away with the money. and a couple of days later, they're. in the White House with Donald Trump. announcing 13 billion dollars. of investment in the United States, right? They're just thieves and. Mark Kearney and his cabinet, if they had any sense of. honor, they would step down, right? Like there was another, the Supreme. Court, not the Supreme court, there. was a superior court ruling against. Trudeau's invocation of the.

Emergencies Act against the peaceful. protesters from the freedom convoy, right. It was the Mosley decision. And it found that it was against the. charter, unreasonable, unjustified. The government filed a appeal. 14 minutes later, you know, thousands of pages of documents, but. they were ready to go 14 minutes. And then that ruling on the appeal. came down and said, no, you guys did wrong. And the parliamentary system, when you know members of a cabinet. or a government are found. to be involved in something so like.

breathtakingly anti-democratic, it's not the rule, but it's sort of. accepted practice that you step. down, at least from your cabinet. position. Okay. No, you you put in prison people. to criticize you. I think that's that's the rule. Yeah. Carney and like nine of his. cabinet ministers were all part. of Trudeau. Carney like wrote op-eds in the. Globe and Mail encouraging Trudeaux. to freeze everyone's bank accounts. and do the Emergencies Act. And he's still wandering around in. power doing his thing, trying to. sell Canada to China and the EU and. getting in fights with Trump. And it's just all,

it's pretty bleak up north right. now. Do you feel safe going there? I mean, yeah, whatever, they haven't. completely erased free speech yet. I mean I'm going home in a couple. weeks, hopefully I don't get. arrested, but so far so good. Where'd we go? Thank you for taking all this time. to do this. I think this is, there's. so much going on. We're trying to, you know, there was. a lot going on, but what's. happening here is always the most. important thing and how, you. know, our economy functions and we. get food on the table is maybe the.

top thing. Yeah. Pretty important to have full. grocery stores and gas stations and. parts for everything and factories. having their stuff delivered to and. that entire system, we've. just like sold off to the highest. bidder to people from overseas who. don't care about us. Amazing. Thank you for doing this. Thank you, sir.