Ex-Freemason: Possessed Politicians, Demonic Rituals for Power, Secret Societies, and the Occult

Sean, thanks for doing this. It dawned. on him the other day, years after it. dawned on you, that there are no secular. leaders of anything and that people pose. as, you know, science-based and. non-religious, but everyone who has. power in the world is religious. I have. noticed they just have different. religions. And uh you've been on this. for a very long time. So let's just. start as big as we can. What's the.

purpose of communing with the. supernatural for leaders? Why do leaders. do it? >> I think there was some I maybe this is a. quote or someone said this to me. Um. there [clears throat] are not power. there are non-powerful people who are. Freemasons but there are no powerful. people who are not Freemasons. >> Freemasons. >> Freemasons. If you think about the nature of an. initiatory group that's been around in. its current form for a few hundred years.

since the 1700s right in the UK but and. likewise in France um but it's or you. know they say its origin or they believe. its origin precedes it to the Knights. Templar right who were a very powerful. order as we know from my understanding. of the Templars it's not this the idea. of like nine knights showing up in the. Middle East during the Crusades right to. guard the roads right [snorts] It was. really more about uh excavating under. the the temple of Solomon. Yes, >> that was you know what they were.

interested where the ancient. >> the well of souls. >> the well of souls the the ancient texts. the things that were you know written. into like grimoirs and hidden you know. incantations things that you could. basically call upon the spiritual realm. because that's the lore of King Solomon. King Solomon, as we remember from the. Bible, you know, he had wisdom and he. was a powerful ruler over uh what was. then Israel, but uh. >> richest man in the world. >> Yeah. Well, he had the gold, but why did. he have the power was because he could.

call upon what they call jin genies and. he could command them with his ring, the. ring of Solomon, the ring of power. And. that's what he so the real lore of like. masonry right was that he had this. builder hireab who could you know who. architected the the temple the temple of. Solomon but they had jin that they. called upon to actually. >> do the work and to build it now that's. all metaphor. >> and what are jin. >> genies what we would call genies in.

Aladdin's lamp they are the beings in so. I went to Iran the first time was. >> curiosity but I went to go meet with. some of these guys that communicate to. them to the other side and uh I would. talk to them about, you know, what's. going on in the world and they would. say, "Yeah, I mean. the jin and Islamic lore is very similar. to like angels and demons or the. watchers in the book of Enoch, right? Who are not they're both dark and light. Some some serve God, some serve the dark. side." And um and so the idea of like.

the power of Solomon was to be able to. have a relationship and mastery. And. some people say that he actually got. overwhelmed by the power and that's why. he fell, right? He ended up with the the. love affair that sort of sank his his. his rulership. Um because he it's a very. d it's a very dangerous gambit once you. start communing with that side. But all. I believe all the initiatory paths. Freemasonry is just one of them. The.

most famous one. lead you to that realm to that. understanding that there's spiritual. forces invisible to us that are working. through people in this world. And just. because someone is a so-called Christian. doesn't mean they're serving God. And. someone just because someone is a Muslim. doesn't mean they're serving the devil. that it's the same across the entire. planet that there are forces of dark and. light working through every religion, every people, even through our own our.

own lifetime, our own souls. You know, at any point when you grow up in. Hollywood or whatnot, you realize like. it does seem that people can sell their. souls and maybe not even be aware of it. because to me it's not Satanism is like. can be incantations. It can be blood. sacrifices and rituals. It can also just. be worship of the material realm. >> Yes. >> Right. So when you get into that realm. of like, oh, I want power. I want. worldly power. I think that's the. satanic path. They not they don't they.

don't think of it as such. But. materialism at his heart is worship of. the earth. And that's why people talk. about the earth is like, you know, it's. kind of Lucifer's domain, right? Because. if you worship, if you become start. worshiping money and you know and. yourself, your own ego, well, you've. lost sight of the transcendent power of. God. >> There's no question about that. There's. no question. Um, and I think all of us. experienced that in our own lives. Uh,

but just to back to what you initially. said about the Masons. >> So, we we're about 100 ft from Masonic. Lodge. Um, they're all over rural. America. They're kind of a vestage of. the past. This is how I think of them. >> Bunch of elderly guys. >> with ceremonial swords. >> Yeah. >> Tell stories. I have one. >> You have one. [laughter]. >> Um [snorts] I have one right over there. from that lodge. Uh. >> you don't think of them as a threat or.

even a meaningful player in current. events. Um but then I should say I don't. know much about it. >> Yeah. >> Uh I don't so at really at all. you. joined the Masons. Why did you do that. and what what was it like? So it was it was a it was a journey of. initiation I think that I was going. through in that time um right out of. college cuz you know in my college years. started getting deep into um studying. history and and you know even in the.

procopious was writing the history of. Justinian right the Roman emperor. Byzantine emperor and he described him. as a a shape-shifting demon basically in. that book in the secret history and that. was buried for a long time. Um, and you. know, again, there's all types of. histories that King James was, was it uh. James' Bible, but he also wrote. demonology book, right? I mean, this was. the way that it was the world was. perceived and understood for centuries. as we know. Um,

>> as a battleground between dark and. light. >> Yeah. I mean, as as forces that were. unseen. I mean, Socrates talked about. his his Don like his, you know, but be. called genius. But, you know, they say. like in the old world there's a theory. that when Homer is writing about, you. know, the Iliad and and you know, all. these different um uh gods having a play. in human life. A lot of people believe. that we were in communication more. readily with beings, right? Unseen. beings and it may have been a real real.

factor in our in our consciousness back. then. And then we you know obviously we. get to this place of the enlightenment. when um all that becomes relegated and. we say oh that's all you know hocus. pocus and not real we can only focus on. the physical realm but you can't. understand how life begins through the. physical realm alone you can't. understand how the universe is formed no. >> right I mean what okay how does a big. bane start you know it just happens okay. >> spontaneous. >> you know time travel I mean how does it.

happen how does it actually begin. exactly from what And how does our how. does life begin? So I think a lot of the. materialists actually you could say like. you know people say Darwin and whatnot. are essentially serving the dark side. because they're saying there's nothing. outside the material realm. It's this is. all that exists and everything. Well. actually all we're interfacing with is. our own minds. Yes. >> Our own perceptions. And so when they. want us to believe, you know, a very. simplified version of reality,

spontaneous evolution, random evolution, random changes, right? Take away. anything spiritual. Um, I think that serves the dark side in. a sense because it now it elevates our. own egos. It makes us, you know, we're. the progenitors of this and, you know, we are the greatest thing in the. universe and we can get into that later, but that then serves a transhuman agenda. that, you know, it's all about. perfecting ourselves through the. physical plane of genetics, right? Genetic tampering and whatnot. And you.

try to basically take the spiritual. origin impulse of God creating this. universe out of the story, right? That's. what the enlightenment did in many ways. But you can't take it out because we. instin instinctively as souls that we. are in human form, we have this. curiosity and this desire to know, okay, where did I come from? Like it can't, you know, my soul didn't just. spontaneously appear. How do I have. consciousness? How do where does.

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available anywhere else. So, I would, you know, study these things and I ended. up going into uh well, I met this guy. who was uh uh himself Mason and. [clears throat] um he was a Jersey kid. who was like my age and we started he he. would he had been exploring these. haunted places. New New Jersey is. notorious for being haunted. They have a. whole magazine called Haunted NJ, right? And not just Jersey, but the, you know, the, let's say, the East Coast, >> but especially New Jersey. >> Especially New Jersey. They got some. history there. I don't know what it is.

Um, and so he was exploring these places. like Greystone, which was a massive. mental hospital. Um, Woody Guthrie was. there, for example, and you saw it in. the recent uh Bob Dylan movie. He goes. and visits Guthrie at the Greystone. Mental Hospital. This place was about. for 100 years. It was one of the biggest. mental hospitals in the country. It was. the biggest foundation when they built. it until they built the Pentagon after. So, it was a massive like we went to. this place at night and even though it.

was shut down, it was still the lights. were still on and it's about five or six. stories tall and underground there's. tunnels and passages that go on for. miles around. So we would go explore. this place at night [gasps]. and um and let's just say that high. stranges ensued [laughter]. because he started. >> it's an abandoned mental hospital in New. Jersey. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's an abandoned mental. hospital in Jersey. And so from the. first time that we went there and then.

went back and each time it would just. different things would reveal themselves. to me in a way that I made a film about. it um Greystone Park to kind of. symbolize the the way that fear operates. to me. I believe that our frequency. attracts forces. And so when you go into. a place like that where. thousands of people are have died, they. had like a mass grave basically of you. know thousands of people that had died. there over the course of a hundred years.

and there had been a lot of abuse and I. think also people go into this place. where they would go into that place who. are themselves you know we call mentally. ill but a lot of them I think were. demonp possessed. >> Yes. And so imagine it's now becoming a. place of very dark energy and uh. >> hard to imagine anything darker than. that. >> Right. Yeah. And so what we saw was like. indications, paraphernalia, books, things like this left behind of um like. satanic rituals like people would go. there and perform rituals to draw upon.

the energy. [clears throat] And. why would someone do that? Well, so this gets into the nature of our of. this realm, right? If we again like we. understand like material realm is what. we see and what we interact with, what. we think we're interacting with. But as. we know. at heart, it's just it's all energy. Like this table is moving particles, right? Our being is we're moving. particles, moving atoms. We're we're.

we're energetic bodies that, you know, appear to be fixed, but actually, as we. know, we're changing every second, every, you know, every day. Our, you. know, we're we're cells are dying and. being reborn, our, you know, our energy. body is is moving. And so, the spiritual. traditions have always understood that. because, you know, they didn't call it. necessarily energy, but be prana and. life force, breath, r, right? Like. that's the origin of of creation is. something in spirit is moving through us.

into this container, this vessel that. you know that appears fixed. But again, as we know, it's changing. That's why we. don't uh we don't look the same every. day, even if it's just slight. differences. And as you know, like you. can see in people's you can just you can. kind of see it sometimes, right? Like. you can see when someone's energetically. drained. You can see when someone's. energy is high and they're vibrant. >> instantly. >> Mhm. Mhm. So this is all this is this is. the energetic nature of reality. So if we are talking about a world that.

also is energetic and alive and then you. have uh geometry let's say certain. structures trap energy more than others. right I mean if you're outdoors and I. mean we can just experience it right. you're out in nature you're in you're in. a a forest the trees are going to have. certain energy it's going to it's going. to move you know maybe like they'll in. the course they are living beings right. so they'll they'll live their life and. die. Um, and that's why some forests are.

called haunted forests or darker, you. know, they're darker places. And. sometimes you'll have historically, yeah, you'll have places where there'll. be gatherings of people to practice, you. know, since the pagan times, let's say, right, to practice different rituals and. sometimes you'll feel the energy of that. like, oh, this is a place where, you. know, there's a gathering that takes. place and a certain energy gets created. there. Um, same way as like a building. I mean, that's what a haunted house is, right? Like, if you're in a house and.

it's, you know, you someone gets. murdered, it's going to have a heavier. energy, right? Because it hasn't, unless. you come and bless it and really, I. don't know, do the right energy. through to let it pass, right? To let. the souls go. Um, and I, you know, had. that experience with one of the haunted. places I went to. It was like a a place. that was uh notorious. It was next to the It was next to a. mental hospital where kids uh were. housed and this was upstate New York.

This was different from Greystone. Um. and in that house next to the mental. hospital for kids, the legend has it. that um a priest that was molesting. these kids at that property and actually. killing some of the kids and doing black. magic. And in that house, I saw people. get possessed and you know, I we heard. the sounds of hell like coming from I.

mean, it's hard to imagine that this is. what we experienced. You know, we'd be. upstairs and all of a sudden we'd hear. howling of dogs and laughter of like. demonic laughter and things like this. echoing through the house. And so we. went back multiple times and we blessed. the house and the final time. really felt a purging of energy and the. house burned down on its own within. about a month or two. So that's the kind of thing we talk. about like the energy that gets trapped. in places until you come with higher.

frequency of blessing a place and you. know clearing the energy. So again we're. talking of a battle of dark and light. those forces that draw upon dark energy. Um because they can then invoke. spirit let's say darker spirits that. hooks into that. If everything is, let's. say like [clears throat] frequency, fear, you know, things that are horrific, horror films play into the psychology, right? It's like Freddy Krueger, right?

He plays he he prays upon he's a dream. demon, right? He he infects people with. fear and we think about how like demons. are what? They're scary, right? They're. monstrous. They're shadows. They're. things that. um that create fear in us. And then it. seems to be like the frequency match. almost. Um. >> do you think that's one of the reasons. that Jesus so often tells his disciples. not to be afraid? >> Yes, that's exactly right. So remember.

when demon cast when Jesus casts out the. demons, he sends them into the swine, right? He's like, "Yeah, get them out. Get out of. >> the vessel and they go and kill. themselves because a lot of the demonic. I mean again there's different frequency. of demonic energy. There's madness. A lot of psychosis we have experiencing. in this country, I think, connects to. it. Um, a lot of it ties into alcohol. and drugs. That's, you know, lowering. people's frequency. You know, it's one.

thing to have, you know, a glass or two, but as we know, a lot of alcohol, what. does it do? It takes us out of our right. mind. In my experience of seeing people. get possessed, it's pretty much like. seeing someone's, you know, when. someone's out of blackout drunk and. Yeah, you've we've all seen it. someone's cod up or out of their mind on. with alcohol and they behave. erratically, irrationally, they get. aggressive, they get mean or they start. laughing hysterically and the next day. they may not remember anything. It's. exactly what possession is cuz when you.

see someone get possessed, >> they just like a like it's like a a flip. a flip of a switch and they go from. someone you can see look in the eyes and. see what they are to just checked out. I've seen. people screaming. I've seen people. laughing maniacally. I've seen just, you. know, just check out like just staring. blankly. But you know it, you just you know that. this person's not in their right mind.

>> Yes. >> And the key is to try to bring the light. back, breathe, bring, you know, good. energy back, raise the raise the. frequency so they can come back to. their their self theirelves. So what I. would say this battle is between. the darkness that again feeds on that. fear that lower vibrational you know. psyche of like not being in our right. mind not being in our in our higher. selves right not being connected to our. spirit our higher you know to to God.

basically right spirit that ex is always. available but the dark side wants to. lower that frequency to a place that. would be closer to hell right what we. what has always been described as hell. place of torture of suffering pain place. of the dead. >> Yeah. Well, even worse than death, right? Death is one thing. Go below. that, you know, and it's like that's the. level of um self-destruction like you. said with the pigs, you know, self-destructiveness. So, this is the battle and and again, if.

the dark side. has, you know, waged war on mankind, let's say, right? If we believe and this. is you know this is not just Christian. tradition I mean this is like a lot of. story there is. >> yeah a lot of stories around the world. have talked about this you know that. there's something that's waging war on. mankind. um they want they want possession of the. soul they want us to check out to give. to surrender right to check out say hand.

over control of the vehicle. and that seems to be the real battle. right are we autonomous beings we have. control of our vehicles I mean we all. experienced this during co imagine like. you know all this seems so far out but. like during co we actively saw people. checked out from fear and like dead body. like dead things you know putting on. masks so they can't even really breathe. They can't in a court of law you can't. you're like you know you can't speak if. you've got a mask on right so like you. don't have any say so when you put a.

mask on you're basically taking away. your power to speak and to breathe. So. you're like a dead you're like a dead. thing now. And then beyond that we saw. the hysteria that came with it, you. know, from fear. All that fear around. you're infected, you might be infected. This person could be infected. You. didn't get your shot. You better stay. away. You you can't come to the family. gathering. You can't come into that to. my establishment. And if you're in. California, I mean, I I left the state. because it was like I can get a fake. vaccine card, but I don't want to engage.

with people that are mandating this. Right? What kind of hysteria? What kind. of madness is this? Right? So, we've all. experienced that kind of possession. Not. not like some people personally. experienced it and then said, "Wait a. minute. I was in fear and I've woken up. and others just saw it and saying it's. like everyone's possessed all of a. sudden by this, you know, by this fear.". So, what's in your toothpaste? If you're. using the brand you grew up with, you. probably don't want to know. The. ingredients likely include fluoride, something called SLS, glycerin, foaming. agents. It's a chemical cocktail.

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describe what masonry is? >> Well, [snorts]. I mean masonry is based in the Old. Testament. You know, most a lot of the. Masons I know are Christian, but again, it's I look at is as as an initiatory. path. So I don't look at it as Masons. are are evil. What I experienced was. that there's Okay. So, I'll put like. this. The first night that I went there,

um, >> where was this? >> Uh, the Cornerstone Lodge in New York, which is a very famous lodge. Uh, people. like Jay-Z, you know, go there and. whatnot. It's, uh, you know, it's. >> Jay-Z's amazing. [laughter]. >> Yeah. From my understanding, he, uh, he. was, you know, he was with that lodge, um, as well, but higher higher than I. was. Um but the point is that it's it's. um. it's an initiation that kind of what I. felt was being observed and watched and.

I know it was watched because after. doing the first degree initiation where. you get the blindfold and the the noose. and all this stuff is online. I'm not. revealing some secrets. all the the the. phrases and things, you know, the the. geometry of it where you have to walk, you know, certain directions and points. and say certain things, all that's. online now. It's public. But when you. perform it ritualistically, like a play,

there are other forces that are not. human that are engaging in the the. experience. And I know that because when I was. leaving the lodge that night with my. friend, um, we got a phone call and it. was an unknown number and this sort of. husky voice was on the phone and he was. like, "How was the meeting?" And I was. like, "It's interesting game you guys. have going here." And it's like, Mhm. And we were just talking a bit, saying a.

lot of things that were like biblical, you know, 40 days in the cave, 40 some. stuff that I didn't understand, but. I knew that they were watching me cuz I. was walking back to my apartment in New. York. And um and I'm like, "Oh, so. you're watching me." He's like, "Yeah.". I'm like, "Okay, what am I doing?" He's. like, "You're walking." So I stopped. walking. And I'm like, "Oh, yeah." He's. like, "Yeah, you stopped walking." And I. was like, "Okay, it could be a guess, but let's just go, you know, continue. the conversation. go upstairs. and um I had like a gray shirt on and.

black pants and uh after you know I. started recording the conversation. the audio did not record subsequently. only the video recorded but as I was. recording this basically was it was this. man's voice and then it would be a woman. that would take over so it was like two. voices it was one as a man one as a. woman and then she basically said stop. recording and I was. you know, I didn't stop. I would maybe. like stop for a minute, then I turn it.

back on. And I had a at that time I had. a a cross on uh sorry, it was a not a. cross, it was it was a Islamic sword um. that I had as a necklace. And so I was. taking my shirt off and she's like, "Put. your shirt back on.". [laughter] And I was like, "Oh, you. don't like this this symbol or what's. wrong?" You know, and it was like, "Put. your shirt back on." And I'm like, you. know, we just continued to talk, but I. there were a few things that I remember. distinctly, including her saying, I'll. leave you with this. You're wearing a.

gray shirt with black pants. So, something was had been observing me. that night. And they continued to talk. with me and. um. it it it was essentially they texted me. thereafter and it was like it went on. for an hour or so like off and on. My. friend who took me there got really sick. to his stomach. He was like vomiting. actually after that during that same. time that I was on the phone and uh he. really was like physically out of it. And so I was conversing with these. things for like an hour. And again, a.

lot of it was about the fallen angels. because. uh this goes back to again the jin, the. unseen world. the idea that remember the. book of Enoch talks about this that the. fall basically. is not just Lucifer's it's like Lucifer. and the what was it the three was it 300. or 30 the 300 I think that fell um but a.

lot of it had to do with the origin of. like. how the angels fell in love with human. women right that's the story of Enoch. was that they fell in love with human. women they had children. >> the Nephilim. >> nephilim the fallen ones or also I guess. they're also fallen ones and uh this. whole bloodline war basically of like. you know fallen angels having children. with human women and becoming like the. great leaders of old you know the the.

the men of reown the men of renown. Exactly. The leaders of the military and. the and the emperors or kings of the. time royal bloodlines. So all this came. up that night. >> What's interesting is if you bring up. that story from Enoch and it's alluded. to in Genesis 6 as well, people look at. you like that's the craziest thing I've. ever heard. Where does that come from? Is that like a David Ike concept or. something? But then if you just assess. it non-emotionally,

>> that's pretty much every religion tells. that story, including Christianity, right? Jesus is the product of spirit. and a human woman, God and Mary. So the. Greek myths are the same. >> Alexander was his mother said that Zeus. came to her. >> Exactly. >> Um. >> so I'm not Yeah. You know, I mean that's. not proof, but it's certainly uh an. indication. This is not like a crazy new. theory that David Ike thought up. >> Not at all. And that's why I always say. >> the basis of every religion.

>> Yeah. That's why people have got so they. they want you to think about Ike as like. he's the crazy guy. But that's why I. studied history because I wanted to say. no, Ike is just picking up on old. traditions and he's just listening to. people that are telling him stories. which. >> I think you can hear that story in any. church in the United States every. Sunday. >> Exactly. Right. So it's not conceptually. it's not a departure from what people. have thought for thousands of years that. there is the physical reality of.

actors from the spiritual realm. impregnating human women. >> Right. Right. And going again, I mean, even the Anunnaki texts of the Samrians. before, you know, which predates the Old. Testament talking about exactly this. thing about the Anunnaki sky gods um. creating the first humans as their. workers. And you know, and again, like. the flood sto mythology comes from that, you know, >> God was so displeased by the behavior of. the Nephilim. >> that he destroyed the world. Right. >> And their behavior that he that he. specifically called out was violence.

>> Right. Right. And eating of actually. eating of humans. The Nephilim did. remember. >> Really? >> Oh, yeah. The giants ate the humans. Do. you remember? >> That's in the book of Enoch. >> It's in one of them. It's either I mean, I thought it was in the Bible, but it's. definitely Enoch then because that was. the issue that they were that the giants. were eating people. And uh so this you know then takes us to. the very you know present day of you.

know when. demon you know the lore around demons. drinking human blood or like you know. demonp possessed humans drinking human. blood Dracula mythology right I mean. >> this is all it's it's it's drawn upon. the old world but it you know when I. when when Hunter S. Thompson talks about. adrenochrome and people say, "Oh, he. made that up." And I go, "Yeah, except I. talk to a military intelligence guy who. goes, "Adrenchrome is real because it. comes across our our tra our messaging.

boards all the time." You know, adrenochrome is being trafficked into. the country. >> So adrenochrome is a compound from the. human adrenal gland. Is that correct? >> Yeah. I mean, my understanding is it's. like an adrenaline. Basically it's. adrenaline that gets secreted and um. from like obviously adrenaline from. anxiety from stress fear and it's you. know it's something specifically that um. is being used for you know as a as a. drug or is it you know is it demonic.

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on this defendellcam.com. It's very interesting to me that um some. of the main themes throughout human. history, blood being the life force, the. spirit, >> the magic and the blood, right? >> The magic and the blood. Um genetics. >> bloodline. >> Mhm. >> These were full-blown preoccupations for. every civilization before 1945, and. they've just been eliminated from public. conversation. >> by media. But media is the greatest.

magician of all, right? I mean, that's. it's so interesting that you mentioned. 45. Obviously, that's the end of the. Second World War, >> right? >> British, you know, British broadcasting. was originally part of uh British. intelligence. Like, it was always, you. know, they understood that propaganda. was key. I mean, that was first world. war effort um bringing us into the first. world war, getting us, you know, getting. us involved. And then obviously the. second world war the same. there was a. huge amount of um propaganda that was. that was put out for it. Um but then we.

adopted those same techniques post 45 I. would say with the various radio. projects um you know whether it was like. you know and from radio to television. right the same concept a lot of the guys. as you know that were like intelligence. oss officers or you know part of the OSS. then became like executives and whatnot. for the original um you know TV channels. which as you know at the time was like. what like four you know it was like ABC. CBS PBS yeah Right. Um and so it was.

very it was very important to send out. messaging and then um likewise with. radio it was the same thing. It was like. okay first radio was used you know for. for information before television but. then radio became the music and so it. became like top 40 what was it the top. 40 project essentially it was like let's. let's figure out how to basically. condition people using music and it's no. longer going to be. >> symphonic right like long symphonic. pieces of music it's going to be short 3.

minutes or less of you know something. that can like hook people in. >> cultural propaganda. >> culturally propagandize over and over. Hypnotize people essentially. I mean, that's what music does. Think about the. when we engage with so interesting. engaging with young people now and. seeing how much like, you know, when I. was a kid, hip-hop was it was kind of. coming, you know, was coming on in the. '90s. Um, but nowadays it's like all. those lyrics, a lot of the a lot of the. the more debasing, you know, lyrics, let's say, how do you end up with an.

Only Fans culture? Wolf starts with the. lyrics that are put out through hip-hop. music that's propagated to every you. know young kid across the country and. then that becomes part of the cultural. conditioning languaging all these. things. So I think music is one of the. most important magical tools that no. doubt you know that's that's used to. obviously um influence culture and then. obviously not just music film and. nowadays with streaming it's it's hypno. putting people into hypnotic states for.

hours on end right when you stream. things into the consciousness. >> Yeah. Social media are hypnotic noticed. and very addictive. So. >> Tik Tok especially, I mean, people. literally just fall asleep to it. You. know, it's scrolling and streaming. >> So part of the point of the propaganda. effort is not just to highlight lies, but to prevent people from considering. things in full context or seeing the. whole picture, eliminating certain. important themes from the public. conversation. And certainly.

>> anything supernatural. would fall into that. blood and genetics. would also be part of that. >> Um, but the people who run the world. never stopped paying attention to the. supernatural, to blood and genetics, did. they? >> No, I don't think so. I mean from my. experience and again I mean I'm I have a. limited experience of it but. you talk to some of these families and. uh I mean first of all in the in the UK. you feel it especially in the in England.

the aristocratic culture. >> the mindset. um to this day they still have a king. you know it's. >> yes. >> okay [laughter] you know they still have. the aristocracy and the bloodlines. families and whatnot um and their. traditions and And then you know you. think about like you know some of these. families talk about they can trace their. ancestry back to the Roman Empire. or even before sometimes. Uh but again. it's just whether or not you're aware.

again like whether or not you're aware. of it I think some families more so than. others. Um, the families that are more aware of it, I think, have a certain conditioning. process that some people talk about when. it comes to the pedophilia. I think. that's more normalized. Uh, it's kind of part of the boarding school. culture. >> Yeah. often times like that was my sense. of it when I was at I was at Oxford for. two terms and um you know hanging out.

with you know some people some families. that are more known than others and uh. they would you know some of them would. tell me like you know the boarding. school culture was very you know uh you. could say you know homosexual and that. kind of dates back to in terms of the. ideology to Rome and Greece remember. like the idea of you know passing on. wisdom from the male from the older male. to the younger male and so it becomes. acceptable. >> And then um. >> yeah and then you you know you you do.

hear these things about a lot of these. these families that are like practicing. pedophilia with their own kids and they. look at it almost like a um a training. like a a training process because it. dissociates. So tra traumatic abuse of a. young person dissociates them makes them. able to then you could argue like you. know like the monarch butterfly that's a. symbol the monarch is often described as. a symbol of um the childhood.

programming. So basically like when you. are traumatized so young you dissociate. you now have greater ability to act. without. moral compunction without even like. knowing your own limits right your your. own self. >> you basically have broken all those. barriers. >> Well you do have to ask questions about. a system um that sends you know its sons. to boarding school at seven or eight. years old. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. Or even younger sometimes. >> Or even younger. Yeah. and my.

grandfather went uh you know at that. kind of age and I wasn't good for him. I. I don't know why you would do that but. it has something to do with breaking. down. >> normal qualities in a young man. I'm not. saying it's a pedesty thing, but it does. have to do with. >> Yeah. Abuse has many forms. You know, there's the physical, there's the. verbal, >> the sexual is just usually like the one. that no one wants to talk about. [laughter]. >> No, that's right. But obviously occurs.

>> So, um, okay. So, you How long were you. a Mason? >> I mean, it's not like you you you ever. like established like I'm going to. meetings. No, I wanted to initiate to. three degrees. I I I entered. >> and in between, by the way, okay, so. this is why I know this gets far out, but like in between, >> but we're already pretty far out. the. initiation, the first degree and the. third degree from in that time period. I. would get phone calls from 666 numbers. all the time. 6666,

we want your soul. Like just demonic. voices. We I want your soul. That's kind. of nonsense. >> So Satan called your cell. >> I mean, I don't know if you know if it. was Satan or the CIA, but someone with a. 666 number that sounded satanic called. my cell and would be like, "We want your. soul." And I would just laugh and be. like, "Okay." I mean, it's not mine to. give. you know, my soul belongs to God. So, I don't know what you're talking I. can't I can't I can't help you. Basically, I don't know what. >> I think I'm jumpier than you because if. I was, you know, in between uh degrees. in the Masons and Satan started calling.

me, I would drop out. Well, it's not. about dropping out or not. It's about. initiating in your in in um as I said, it's an initiating and understanding of. the world. And that's why I believe the. checkerboard is very real. Like the way. that it's designed is the checkerboard. on the floor. It's black and white. Not. all Satanists are evil. I do believe. that there's the path of light and. there's a path of dark. They want to. assess who you are. And as I say they, I. mean like a higher higher realm wants to. know what you are. So I believe the. people that join who choose a darker. side, I you know I think I've seen it.

Um they basically are willing to do. anything. They are willing to drink the. blood. They're willing to make the oath. essentially to the dark because they. just want power. And if they know that. you're not your soul isn't wired that. way, you don't end up on the satanic. path. So again, like a lot of these were just. just kind of tests. I felt like they. were just kind of tests. Just kind of. like I got a call from a Zazel one time. You know, Zazel is the angel of death, right? As Aazil calls and then like a.

day or two later, my grandmother passed. away when my grandmother. >> Wait, the angel of death called. yourself? >> Yeah. Well, it's like it it now I mean. it basically identified itself as a. Zazil. And. >> what did you say? >> No, I just I knew what a Zazil was. So, I knew a spirit of death was around. And. then, like I said, my grandmother passed. like I think within within one or two. days of that call. So, I was like, "Wow." Okay. >> What What did the angel of death say on. the phone? >> It wasn't I don't remember like again it. was it wasn't like I remember.

specifically an announcement of. something. It was just more of like in. that time period. It was getting so many. calls from these. things like wanting my soul and. sometimes it was witches cackling like. you know come play with us like come you. know come join us sometimes it was one. time and it's funny I played this on. Alex Jones show actually u back in 2012. it was a call from again 666 and they. were doing ball worship they're like. calling on ball and they were like it. sound like they were doing a ritual.

these demonic voices are like ball la. you know they're doing a ritual on this. yeah on on the phone call. So it was. almost like they were draw they were. trying to like engage my energy for what. they were doing. You see that's goes. back to the question around. the dark side wants more energy because. again it's disconnected from God. Well I mean is it disconnected? Let's. just say they're more disconnected. I. don't think anything is disconnected. from God. My perception is it's all. God's universe. So I don't think the.

dark I think the dark still ultimately. serves the creator's intention. I don't. think you can you can't divorce yourself. from the universe. But let's just say. their frequency is lower. So they're. drawing upon higher vibrational energy. to try to right to try to draw us down. That's the battle, right? It's like how. many of those of the light can we bring. to the dark? How many can we sink to our. level or if we can't. they stopped after 2012? After my last. degree of initiation and after 2012, I. never got calls again. So I just felt.

like it was this kind of testing phase. and it's like okay. you don't belong to us. who knows maybe they've taken new forms. and you know not saying everything like. life is obviously the full of. challenges. So I think the dark can. manifest in different ways but for me it. was like it was a very overt. confrontation with something that people. would think is you know a fairy tale. until you've lived it. Do you think. other people at the lodge, the.

Cornerstone Lodge in New York were. having similar experiences? >> Well, I mean, I know the person I went. with did, but like some of the other. guys that I knew, I don't think they. anything changed in their life because. Yeah. I mean, we all have different. paths, right? We all like, you know, my. my path was frankly initiatory. I wanted. to explore these things. You know, I. went all the way to Iran just to talk. to, you know, guys that were talking to. and trying to understand how the world, you know, is working, right?

>> What drove you? >> Yeah. Just. >> Well, you grew up in a materialistic. society in Southern California where the. possibility of this stuff was not. discussed. I would. >> Well, no. I mean, I went I wasn't, you. know, my dad took me to India and Tibet. when I was, you know, nine, no, 10. And, you know, we went to the Himalayas and. went to like visit, you know, Tibetan. monasteries. the we went to um what's. that uh the patala palace and uh you. know they depict demons and stuff very. overtly in the in the iconography right.

if you look at the artwork right of. Tibet Nepal the Buddhist cultures and. even Hindus right like you know they. understand that there's demons and. angels and well they wouldn't call it. they wouldn't call it angels I guess but. like demigods right I mean they would. describe like demigods right more you. know angelic more divine powerful beings. and then you see like the dark faces of. the demonic realm. They look at all. everything I think as like different. temptation. So it's like you have to get. comfortable. You have to face the demon. You know, you can't if you if you hide.

it, that's it gets scarier. Just like in. a horror film, right? It's always. scarier when you don't know where the. monster is. Once you can once you can. face the monster, you take away its. power. Whereas, you know, as going back to the. dream demon, the Freddy Krueger, it's. like I you know, I take my power back. I'm not afraid of you anymore. That's. the only way to defeat the monster. >> I believe that. >> Yeah. >> Fear and hate also feed the demons. >> Yeah. Well, my dad made a whole film,

Naturalborn Killer, is kind of about. these this thing, you know. It's it's. pretty interesting. I mean that's. killers if you watch it as two demonp. possessed people which is really what. they are the main characters Mickey the. main you know he's as uh he's been. abused by his father who who kills. himself his uh he's been physically. abused by his father the Juliet Lewis. character has been sexually abused by. her father and it's like all this kind. of chaotic American media you know.

glorification of these two serial. killers but they're going through their. journey of hell, basically like a. hellscape until they find that love love. kills the demon, right? That's their. salvation is through love. But if you. watch the movie, it's just like two. demonp possessed people. It's pretty. interesting. [laughter]. Okay. So, if we think that hate and fear. feed dark forces, spiritual forces, unconscious hate, you know, I think. there's healthy there's healthy. We hate.

certain things that we find intolerable, >> right? But if we hate the person, if we. demonize the person, right, that's. that's feeding the. >> wanting to hurt other people, you know, having malice toward others. >> Yeah. Exactly. >> Um and then fear, being terrorized. >> If those are both spiritual foods for. demons, how should we understand our. government's concerted effort over many. years to make us terrified and hateful? M not just the government media media.

with it, right? Like media and. government working hand in hand, >> right? I mean, those kind of are the. messages really. There's someone. >> you need to be afraid of and there's. someone you should hate. You're required. to hate. >> Well, think about the nature of the. Masonic lodges. There's the red lodge. and the blue lodge. >> I don't know anything. >> Yeah. So, that's the the famous like. there's like there's there's the blue. lodge which is more like the French. ancestry. The Scottish right is the red. lodge. And so think about like the. bloods the the bloods and crips the the.

Democrats and the Republicans as red and. blue. >> also the bloods and the crips red. >> the blood and the crips. So like this. whole idea of but you know but people. articulate as two wings of the same bird. ultimately it's like both are there to. govern your mentality government govern. your mind right so it's like do we want. you know do we want more less a fair. well republicans are supposed to be more. libertarian more constitutional more. like less you know but they don't but. they tend to just you know end up. spending as much.

>> oh yeah. >> as as as the as the blue team you know. both obviously are. dependent on the same Federal Reserve. system, right? So, you could say like. we've been captured by the Fed, you. know, by this debt slavery, this debt. slave Federal Reserve system since 1913, which is again right around the time. that well, as we know, the income tax. came in, which yeah, >> totally unconstitutional. And uh and. then also the uh the first world war. begins and [snorts] the British bring us.

into their their empire because you know. more formally because before that we. were you know we were not supposed to be. part of the European game. We focused on. you know the Monro Monroe doctrine was. about you know focusing on our. hemisphere right bringing the republic. you know our republic as a model you. know for this region and protecting this. region from the imperialists of Europe. be it you know French British. um I mean remember during the during the.

civil war Mexico had an had a had a coup. by the uh um the French and the the. British uh empire actually couped the. Mexican government right around the same. time they were trying to install their. puppet there. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Didn't work out. But Mexico then, you know, again, there's all kinds of. puppeteering that goes on as we know. through the different forces. financially. Um, so that's really, I. think, the key is like America wanting. to be a republic independent. of the European empires. With the first.

world war, we made Wilson made a huge. decision which I think was a huge. blunder committing us to that war. We. should have been an arbiter. We should. have said, you know, we're not in favor. of either empire. We're going to just. arbitrate, you know, a peace a peace. deal and should have stayed neutral. But. we didn't. We committed ourselves to the. British Empire and the and uh we set up. obviously as a result of that with the. Versailles treaty. You know, the. >> hurt so many people. >> The second world war followed and we, you know, obviously again you can get. into the whole history of the finance. years behind, you know, Hitler and his.

rise to power. And so it was like we're. going to play you know Germany against. you know the the Soviets who also got. financial support from uh from us. So. it's it's the you know it became a. finance game and that's why I say like. the power behind the scenes really to me. is is the financial empire and um you. know the Rothschilds are obviously a. part of that. I don't think they're the. beall end all of it but they're a very. important force financially. City of. London is a very important force and the.

Federal Reserve system which is spawned. from that central banking system of. England. Um so that's when we talk about. like what you know who's who's the f the. American federal government serving it's. been serving its you know the the the. expansion of a debt slavery monetary. system right because we're borrowing. money every time we they they you know. they're printing money but they're not. they're not they don't own it. It's like. it's not constitutional money in the. constitution. Gold and silver is.

constitutional money. >> Everything else is these paper money. notes are promisary notes. >> That's why it's a Federal Reserve note. When you see a dollar bill says Federal. Reserve note, it's a promisary note. promised to pay. >> Yeah. >> Right. So it's all like it's all debt. and we're just racking up, you know, as. we know what we're at 38 40 trillion, I. don't know, [laughter] some unpayable. amount. >> Doesn't matter. I mean, exactly. It's. it's not going to be, you know, we have. to re reconfigure this. >> But it raised the question. So if. individuals can make a deal with.

supernatural forces to serve them in. exchange for for temporal power, for. success in this life, money, and. authority, and that's clearly true. Can nations do. the same? I think so. I think it's it's. a it's a kind of um well. yeah I mean again it's like uh. the power of belief right as a nation. and either.

so we we can go back to John D for. example um the magic. >> who was John D. So John D was he was. basically like the head of intelligence. for Queen Elizabeth right at the. beginning of the U British Empire. >> Elizabeth the first. >> Elizabeth the first. Yeah. Sorry. Go. back in time to uh. >> the 1580s. Yeah. Exactly. The 1580s and. and D is the original 007. That's how he. signed his his signature. So Bond is. actually inspired from John D. And uh he.

was into magic. He basically was working. these uh what they call the Nokian magic. because again derived probably from the. book of Enoch but he was communing with. these beings, watchers, what he. considered angels but um and he had this. you know these incantations. and uh. >> he was summoning spirits. >> He was working with spirits and the. theory is and the basically the. Shakespearean Tempest play is inspired. from John D as the the the wizard in the. story is basically John D. um that he.

essentially made the deal for the. British Empire to become the most. powerful empire in the world. And it. begins with the sinking of the Spanish. Armada, which again, as everyone knows, it was like there was a freak, it was a. massive storm. >> begun in a tempest. >> An Tempest that basically, you know, helped to sink that their their plans. and their fleet. And uh yeah, the theory. is that he basically made the deal to, you know, for the British Empire, but.

the deal requires um certain level of. blood sacrifice. And you know, some people say that we've. inherited the British Empire and those. demons essentially those same deals. I can't especially since 45 since the. end of the Second World War. >> It is interesting if you think about it. So here you have this island nation with. a pretty small population. take over the entire world. >> A quarter of the planet was under there. >> That's right. So yeah, largest empire.

some ways the most amazing empire. Um. but certainly a vast empire. How' they. do that? [laughter]. Um. yeah, I mean it's more than uh guns, germs, and steel, right? I mean it's a. uh. economically the financials component is. fascinating you know how they how they. were able to obviously uh you know doing. you know with the shipping and whatnot.

insurance some shipping and. >> you know they controlled you know when. they controlled the seas of the western. world all the way to India um even to. China right they they even they were. able to uh control the seas and then. they could they basically would trade. you know they had uh certain traffic. where they would, you know, they would. take the cotton, they would buy the. cotton cheap from, you know, slave labor. in America, uh, sell it over, you know, sell it over and, you know, across their. empire in India, buy the tea there, uh, buy the the tea and the opium from there.

from Afghanistan, which was under India. at the time, and then dump the opium on. the Chinese and get the silver for that. It's a pretty good trade, right? It's a. pretty good deal. >> But the core power, you believe, came. from a deal. Well, what I I see the. world is like it's a both it's a. spiritual and a material reflection of. each other. So it's so what I believe is. like when people understand how these. workings happen, it's like if you have. an intention and you let's say undertake. a magical working.

>> that has enough belief behind it, let's. say enough energy behind it, it can. manifest in physical form. And this is. the nature of magic. So to me, there's. always two paths with magic. See, Christ. says, "Thy will be done." Which is the. creator's will. The the magic of what I. would say like the dark side is my will. be done. And that's what like Alistister. Crowley and other people like this. >> Yes. >> You know, Crowley said he was an. incarnation, a reincarnation of the guy. working with John D in the magical.

ceremony. So their mentality is love is under. will. So basically like love is not the. primordial power of creation for them. The individual ego will is more. important than love. >> Yeah. That's a dead end. >> It's interesting because it points to. something that I think all of us feel. >> which is that there's something dark. about success. >> It can be. >> You know there's [laughter] that famous. line, show me the fortune and I'll show. you the crime.

>> Yeah. Bzac. >> Yeah. Balzac is really. reason enough to learn to read French. It's just an amazingly hilarious, insightful. Peragorio is one of the great novel. Anyway, yeah, Bzac, show me the fortune. I'll show you the crime. So, um, that resonates because, and this not to. attack all rich people. I mean, we're. both, I guess, by some standards, rich. people. But, >> well, there's a whole other level. >> There's a whole Right. I mean when.

you're but again you're talking donastic. people that have like you know made. fortunes on again dump selling selling. opium to the Chinese and you know or. selling slaves or selling weapons or you. know financing wars like the. Rothschilds. I mean that's that's a. level of crime you know and or pimping. people like you know like Epstein you. know types you know pimping girls and. boys. I mean that's a whole. >> picture of of grand success in this. world isn't it? I mean, that's maybe the. reason that Jesus says it's harder for a. rich man to get to heaven than a camel.

through the eye of a needle. There's. something about it and maybe that. something is. the deal that is inevitably made with. satanic forces in order to get whatever. that success is. >> You know, how many times. >> is that a crazy hypothesis? >> You know, people tell me like the. Mexican cartels are doing straight black. magic. >> Well, they are. That's a fact, >> right? And I mean, imagine like these. are people that are trafficking humans. They're trafficking, you know, drugs. They're they're killing. They're they're. cutting off heads. They're killing with.

impunity. I mean, >> and not just killing, but torturing. So, that to me is always a sign that there's. something um religious going on. >> So, you torture others uh for one of two. reasons. Either to elicit information. You know, I'm going to waterboard you. till you tell me where the terrorists. are, >> which unfortunately, as we know, is not. necessarily accurate information. >> No, no, it's [laughter] not. It's not. But like Okay. But as a motive. >> Yeah. or you're doing it for its own. sake because there's something about.

human suffering that brings you power. >> and that's when we touch and pleasure. >> which is. >> and maybe adrenochrome. >> and certain cases. >> are bumping up against the supernatural. realm right because why would you if. you're going to kill somebody why would. you torture him first. >> but they always do. >> but see I would posit it more that when. are we not in the supernatural see I. think that's that's the shift. in consciousness that is required. The. great awakening is that we're you know. people have talked about especially.

since co is like. >> oh no we're having one there's no. >> we are always under the eyes like we are. always living a supernatural experience. we just. >> we haven't thought that way we've been. trained to think of it as a material. existence and the shift now is to say no. it's. >> we're everything we do has has. supernatural ramification because it's. always choice between serving you know. again serving higher self let's call it. and serving ego. That's to me like that's the the eternal. battle. Every choice we make, every and.

you know it's small decisions, big. decisions, all this, it all counts. And. obviously small decisions probably won't. have the greater impact that a bigger. decision will. But if we can shift our. consciousness to start realizing how I. behave at every moment is it aligned. with my higher version of self or not. This is what we have to do to achieve a. better world. If we want to shift into a. better reality, you know, then that's. falls upon us to say, am I following my. heart? Am I listening to my heart? Am I. listening to intuition? Am I being, you.

know, am I being moral and good in this. moment? You know, and I don't, you know, I don't think that's the whole point. None of us are perfect, but the whole. point of the Christ model is it's a. model for us. You know, this is the way. of perfection. listen to listen to the. words try to imitate the Christ and I. think we would have a much healthier. reality. >> Yeah. And I mean Jesus is really clear. that every word you utter every word. will be used to judge you.

>> Like every word matters. >> Exactly. >> It's all it's all it's all life force. It's it begins with thought. That's why. like even the Buddhists, you know, the. ancient religions, they always write. thought, work on your thoughts to then. correct your speech to then, you know, change your actions. So, it all builds. >> It's in that exact same passage where he. says, you know, the the evil heart. produces evil actions. >> Yeah. No, it's it's so right. Um, so that brings us to the United States, which is the heir to the British Empire.

So if the British Empire was the product. of this this deal that John D made to. bring the Tempest to. destroy the Spanish Armada, launch Britain into control of the West. and then that control ends in 1945 with. the dropping of the atom bombs on. >> Yeah. >> roughly speaking. So where does that. put the United States government? [laughter]. I mean, we've been subsumed by the New.

World Order ideology and for a long time. now. The New World Order ideology came. out of the British Empire. It wasn't a. conspiracy theory. It was their own. language. Cuz I went back when I was in. my history thesis at college and I was. like reading some of the minutes of. these conferences. They kept saying new. world order. It was their own language. They wanted to basically continue the. empire in in a more informal way because. they realized the empire was, you know, it was getting a lot of flack, right?

They couldn't sustain it militarily. They didn't have the manpower. They. wanted to bring America and clearly as I. me uh Cecil Roads, who was, you know, the great imperialist of South Africa, Rhdesia, getting the diamond mines set. up and the gold mines and whatnot. Um. and his his benefactor was Lord. Rothschild and and uh he b you know M. roads was in his will saying we want to. reclaim the holy lands and we want to. bring America back um basically within. the empire. So that was the agenda from.

the end of the 19th century. The uh bringing America to be like the. military might of the the western. financial system, right? That takes. place clearly between World War I and. World War II. As you said, we then take. over for the British Empire all of its. former colonies and the French colonies, including Vietnam in, you know, why do. we end up in Vietnam War? It's a French. colony. >> Indochina. Yeah. >> Yeah. Indochina. um why do we you know. take on uh Turkey and Greece you know to.

defend against the Soviets that's all. the British imperial realm the Middle. East again the French and British carved. up the Middle East all these countries. are essentially you know creations of. the British and the French. >> um so we inherit the empire and. basically. >> ally with this idea of. >> of uh you know the war the world m the. world game Russia had been the enemy of. the British they became our enemy. And that's a whole complicated issue,

but essentially, you know, partly it's. it's dynastic families, you know, wanting the wealth of the others. And. that's perhaps why they they couped um. uh Thesar, you know, to get their their. fortune and get them out of power and. put the Soviets in partly as an. experiment, partly as a way to keep the. Russia out of I don't know, I guess you. could say like um separated from the. Western world to create like an enemy. going forward cuz as we know, we backed. Hitler at the beginning to go against.

Russia. That was the whole deal was like. you're going to fight the Russians kind. of like uh we backed Iraq to fight the. Iranians in the 80s. You know, it's the. old divide and conquer technique. Um so. yeah, so Russia had been the British. enemy. We we inherited that. And then um. we basically bought into the new world. order ideology. That's why we kept going. into this globalist mentality for. decades, you know, of committing. ourselves. >> But there's a supernatural element too. It seems obvious. It was only in the.

last year after a lifetime of living. next to it that I realized the Pentagon. is in the shape of a pentagram. >> Yes. Yes. >> Wh why of all potential architectural. designs would you put your headquarter. your military in a pentagram? M again. the stars that soldiers wear it's like. as you know like if you've seen movies. or whatnot like the pentagram is or. pentagon pentagram is a very common. image for um can be for protection. There's there's an invoke there's an.

invocation of protection through it and. then there's also the inverted uh. pentagram which is often times used for. uh sacrifice like you'll you'll see. again like you'll see it in films right. where they'll put the pentagon on. pentagram on the floor and within a. circle and then they'll they do a ritual. sacrifice within it. >> Well, it's the central image of. Satanism. >> Yeah, exactly. The inverted the inverted. horns, right? It's like the horns. It's. the inversion of the pentagram. So again. it's it's it can be used. >> way symbolism I notice in our our.

culture for some reason. >> people are waking up. >> but it's we went through this period. where you know for all of history. symbols really matter they really. matter. >> Yeah. >> In a lot of world they still matter and. then in the west for the last 80 years. symbols are just null and void like your. average person is not allowed to notice. the symbolism in anything. >> Yeah. Yeah. No we have to. >> poetry dies metaphor dies. >> Exactly. the the spiritual life withers. and we just don't notice that our our. military is headquartered in a building. called the Pentagon. And by the way, I.

learned this from you at breakfast this. morning. I I have no idea what it means, but I was amazed to learn that the. cornerstone of the Pentagon was laid on. September 11th, 1941, 60 years to the day. that the flight was Flight 77 I think. was flown into it. 77 is 77 is a magical. number, too. So, you know, again, I think of these. events as mass rituals. >> I mean, I'm Look, I I just learned this.

this morning eating my omelette. So, I. um I haven't thought about it at all, but I I that's kind of the point I'm. making. >> Yeah. >> I heard that plane. I was close enough. to hear the plane or whatever. I heard. that impact of something. >> Well, we never saw the video, right? It. >> never I'm aware. The whole thing is. bizarre, but. >> I'm only making the point that I was. very aware that it happened. I had a. friend on that plane, >> etc., etc. >> Why am I now 25 years later, for the. first time, learning that the Pentagon.

cornerstone was laid. on September 11th, 1941? >> No. >> Like you'd think in the coverage of it, they'd be like, "Hey, this is kind this. is kind of. >> Yeah. The 60th anniversary." You'd think. so, right? >> I never heard that. Did you know that? Yeah, I'd read I'd read about it, but I. at the time was that like on World News. Tonight. >> at the at the time I mean I I was I was. as clueless at the time when it. happened. I just thought I I look here's. all I knew about 911 was that nothing. made sense because I was in Somali land. in the summer in July and we got notices.

from the State Department facts saying. you know be careful to all foreign all. nationals all American nationals abroad. Um like there's basically like rumor. around like a terrorist plot. So be like. be on high alert. >> I was in Maine that summer and they. didn't send us any notice at all. >> No, [laughter]. I guess I should have been in Somali. land. So So I mean we already were like. kind of was like oh it's interesting. that we got the notice that obviously.

some Intel Intel something's coming. across Intel you know channels to say. that. And I'm not sure if anyone ever. reported on that in the um you know in. the investigation of like the. intelligence labs, but again I just I. never believed the official story and. the more I looked at it, the more it. just didn't add up. You know, the take. down of the towers by. I mean just structurally speaking, you. know, you have you know that the plane. hit the uh uh the Empire State Building.

back in 46. Remember that? >> Yeah, of course. You know, it was a. military plane at the time and. >> they hit bomber. >> bomber in a collapse. >> Well, Donald Trump is on tape on the. morning of 911 saying, "I can't I don't. know. How could that have happened? I. know those buildings well. I was there. when they were built in the early '7s. and the steel in those things is. stronger than any building in New York.". And there's no way. >> But now you think about the nature of. ritual and what was created was a. holocaust, which is literally a mass. burning. And uh this is.

I don't know if you remember the movie. called Wicker Man. >> The Wicker Man. It was a it was kind of. a film about these pagan Satanists, right? Who they do a a ritual around one. of the equinoxes. I think it was like a. summer equinox. And they do like a they have this guy in. this town realizing that these guys are. witches. And all of a sudden he finds. himself inside of this massive wicker. man being burned alive. [laughter]. And it's played out every summer, by the.

way. in a festival called Burning Man. >> Yeah. >> Here in uh Nevada, I guess, right? In. the desert, the Burning Man ritual. The burning of the man annually. So, I. mean, this again, these are ritual. things that people partake in without. understanding what they're giving their. energy to. >> That's right. That's exactly right. So I mean up until the second world war. it would have been obvious to every. western man that life revolves around. ritual and that ritual.

>> describes to us concepts that our brains. are not capable of fully grasping. >> You know the communion in Christianity. it's like yeah. >> there's a great debate over exactly what. that is but it's the center to the. practice of the religion. and it doesn't make any sense from a. scientific point of view. you're. ingesting the flesh and blood of Jesus. Like what? >> But to Christians, um, again, it's it's. the Holy Eucharist. >> Mhm. >> And that makes sense to people because. there's no other way to describe the.

things that are. >> of this life. They're that profound. So, um, >> but our understanding of. >> how central ritual is to life has just. been stripped from us completely. So, we. we totally miss it. We don't even know. that the Pentagon gets hit on the 60th. anniversary of its. >> [laughter]. >> of the beginning of its construction. That's so. >> it's well you think about the nature of. well first of all like television has a. lot of it has like disrupted like ritual. cycles and whatnot like the cycles of. our you know of our energy of.

>> going down with the sunset like you know. coming in sitting around the earth. telling stories yes listening to the. spirit to the again being more connected. to the spiritual world now the spiritual. world does come in through television. >> it's just not the way we imagine it. because we think this is like something. different but it's all going into our. psyche And so the as you know the brain. it's processing it the same you know how. do you say it's processing and and. taking this information just as it would. reality. So it's a it's it's definitely. affecting the way we interface with.

reality. >> Yes. >> And um and again this goes back to what. we talking about the power of the magic. of media. And um I think you know people. that are storytelling. they you know they can be some are some. are practicing darkness. I think others. are practicing light and I think there's. those that are just unaware. unconsciously. perpetuating things. But there does seem to be something very. dark in Hollywood and it's it's like a.

subversion. you grew up there. So, did. you sense that? >> What I sense with Hollywood is. um. there's definitely more like there's. definitely like let's be clear uh. there's definitely a Babylonian quality. to it, [laughter]. right? There's definitely uh. >> people. there's debauchery. I mean, you know,

it's like everyone knew Harvey Weinstein. >> was a monster. >> Yeah. >> Not just with women. He was a monster. with business, >> of course. >> And. >> I I knew him. I knew that, >> right? I mean, everyone knew that he. was. But he was just accepted. >> And it's just like kind of like the. casting couch. It's just like, oh, it's. just accepted. This is the way things. are. You know, the Epstein, I'm sure. people, you know, I'm sure a lot of. people knew what Epstein was. I I never. heard about him be, you know, before 20. whatever 16, 17, 18, what in that time.

frame. But like I'm sure a lot of people. that were around him just knew like, oh. yeah, you know, he's into this or he's. into that because it's people talk, right? But it's amazing how unless. you're part of those circles, you don't. really know what's going on. And that's. why to this day people will say, "Well, JFK, the assassination, uh, it must, you. know, they couldn't have kept the. secret." I'm like, people in the no have. talked, but you're just not in the no. because it hasn't been perpetuated. through media. So unless it gets.

perpetuated through media, we don't hear. about it and we don't think it exists. Yeah. I mean that you what you just said. the truest thing that I didn't. understand until later in life, even. though I spent my whole life in the. media. Um the idea that like if it's. more than two people, no one can keep a. secret. Well, none of these secrets have. been kept. They're all out there. I've. heard a lot of this stuff a million. times. I just discounted it and it was. not part of the prevailing story we were. told. So I just didn't think it was. real. >> Like like didn't um wasn't it not Cardi.

B? What's her name? One of these rappers. just came out talking about like all. this stuff in the Epstein they're. eating. She said in the music industry. they're they're eating babies and. drinking blood. Y'all you know which. which rapper was it? Was it Cardi or. >> I don't know. Every week there's a new. rapper revealing the truth but no one. takes them seriously because they're. rappers. >> Yeah. Exactly. But she said something to. this effect and you know like Mariah. Care's sister said that you know when. she was a kid she grew up she she talked. about it before she died. Mariah Care's. sister um and uh it's in the best kept. secret docue series um that I put out.

but basically she said like she grew up. with things that were like done that. were you know indescribably horrible you. know like you can't fathom. Um and she. she died like few years after that. She. but she came out saying it. People will. sometimes come out and say things and. it'll be like a blip. And I think this. is my way of thinking is more like. if in the middle of the night I see. something fly across the sky, which I've. done like driving in Beverly Hills.

driving home at like 2:00 in the. morning. I saw like a craft, you know, fly overhead. Not so fast. It was more. like a It was almost I I don't I don't. want to say like it almost would be like. an advanced version of a stealth bomber. It wasn't a stealth bomber, but it was. like a craft that was moving very fast, low to the ground, right over Beverly. Hills. So, I look at that and go, "Okay, I've just glimpsed reality." Someone. else might go, "That's just crazy. I'm. just going to ignore that.". >> Right? >> You know, so to me, I'm like, "Okay, this is this is this is what's really.

going on. I want to look over here now.". And that's just the way that I see. things. And other people will just be. like, I once saw a UFO, but you know. what? That's just so crazy. I'm just. going to go back to the mundane world. >> That's exactly right. That's exactly. right. But big picture of people trying. to are trying to understand not simply. are they eating babies, but why would. someone do something like that? >> Yeah. Well, >> you get to the nature of the deal that. every person faces. I think.

the potential which is the same as the. temptation of Jesus. bow down before me. and all this will be yours. >> Yeah. >> But in exchange for whatever you're. getting, bloodshed. >> Yeah. >> is the cost. >> Yeah. >> Because the pravity. It's like you know. once you've once you've it's like the. dog that's like tasted blood, right? It's the uh you know, you can't go back. You've you've crossed a threshold. You've crossed a a barrier that we're. not supposed to to cross, right? Thou.

shalt not kill. Okay. Well, if you do, you're probably going to have remorse. If you do it just, you know, especially. just for defense purposes, you're still. probably going to have some level of. remorse. I know sociopaths don't. [laughter]. >> No, that's right. >> So, there's like a whole other caliber. of psychology and maybe demon possession. there, but as humans, we would have. remorse, but once you've gone back, you. can't take that back, can you? Like, you've stained your soul.

That's something that you can't, you. know, you can steal something and make. amends. You can, you know, you can, all. crime is theft, but there's different. degrees of theft, right? You can steal. people's time, you can steal their. energy, you can steal belongings, but if. you steal life, there's no how do you. return that? >> There's no restitution. I'm extrapolating out to the, you know, to the scale of empire here and trying. to understand why empires tend to commit. themselves to war even when they don't.

get anything out of it. >> And I and. >> someone's getting out of it. I mean, >> I just wonder though if like the cost of. staying on top isn't killing people just. by its nature. >> Yeah. Well, and again, I mean, different arguments. I mean, you go back to like what was the. point of Vietnam? You know, if Vietnam. fell to the communists, like what the. heck does that have to do with anything? [laughter]. >> What's the point of the Russia Ukraine.

war? Why would you want to keep that. going? >> The only thing that you're getting out. of that is, you know, you know, weapons. testing and money transfers and all that. stuff, but ultimately what you're. getting is millions of dead people. >> Yes. Blood. >> Maybe that's the point. Maybe it is. blood sacrifice. >> Right. Right. To a degree. I think. that's from a higher perspective there. does seem to be truth to that and I. think look this is realm of mind right. we've since the fall of Adam and Eve we. fell into mind so before this there was.

order there was perfect it was perfectly. guided let's say and then we fell the. story is not just Adam and Eve it's. Atlantis it's all these things right. they fell into the mind. >> what does that mean the mind. >> everything we experience is the mind we. don't know anything outside of our own. minds, right? >> So before the fall, we existed. >> Well, we didn't have Well, I mean, presumably we we if if we trusted like. the Lord basically just had perfected.

and ordered everything. We didn't have. choice. We didn't have free will. We. didn't have mind. We didn't have. anything to mirror. We saw ourselves for. the first time. The mind is like a. mirror. Self-awareness. I am separate. from you. If everything before that it. was just oneness, right? It was just, you know, you just you knew you you were. you you could be. I mean, it's kind of. like an angelic order, let's say. >> I mean, again, we're we're making. assumptions here, but essenti what we. know is that with self-awareness. comes this idea of separation.

And so, we are in a realm of mind where. everything gets mirrored in some way. Every thought has to has to with. manifest comes separation. And that is. yeah the illusion of separation. I mean. ultimately I believe that we're all from. the same oneness and I believe it's. God's universe. So there's really. nothing to be afraid of right because. we're all you know if we choose we we. can go we can you know ascend higher. We. can go back to the light. Um but there's. no they say the illusion of separation. is that it's just an illusion. Um if our.

ego feels separate our ego feels like. you know I'm me this is my body. This is. my name. This is what I've done. So. that's why I say it's a battle between. ego and higher self. Higher self is like. no we're just instruments of the. creator. I can let go of ego now. I. don't have to feel like anything belongs. to me. Anything I do is you know not. mine. You know glory to the creator. We're just instruments here. We're just. playing our roles. And yes, >> you know, hopefully this is well, I.

believe, you know, this is all for our. evolution in understanding and. recognizing, hopefully developing more. empathy, more, you know, more. compassion, more love. That's should be, you know, I think our goal on this. planet. Um, but yeah, in the realm of. mind, mind has to go somewhere. So if I. have hateful thoughts, it has to go. somewhere. Does it project? How does it. how does it as we know like if I have. hateful thoughts or angry thoughts it. has to it's going to be the way I treat. my children my loved ones my family my.

friends it's going to go somewhere it's. going to go into war it's going to. manifest somewhere. >> right and that's where we are still in a. place of strong polarity right. everything is being you know as light as. it is as dark it is as it is in this. realm so it has like that energy has to. go into into war until we clean up our. thoughts thoughts and stop hating each. other. Until then, we're going to have war. But there's also a sense in which.

bloodshed, war, violence, killing. is. the food. that keeps the dark energy. >> Yeah. But it starts with it starts with. us. Like every like that's the whole. that's the that's why I just say like. the good news is they don't have any. power unless we give it to them. If we give them power, if we give them. attention, if we give them energy, if we. feed them our fear, that's what Christ. was saying. Let you know, let go of the. fear. Just have faith. Let faith replace.

the fear. And that was what I had to go. through in my, you know, 2 three year. journey of like having these dark. experiences and like being haunted by. things that were like energetically t. like tangible in my reality. Was like, okay, I surrender. Like I surrender to. the higher power. I have I have faith so. you can't have my soul because it. doesn't belong to you. And I think that's the point is if every. one of us just in our own lives takes. inventory okay let we have fears it's.

you know it's natural some fears are. like deep right and paranoid others are. you know just existential like there's a. there's a predator there's a threat okay. but if we can like face our fears own. our fears and find deeper faith. we will create a better reality because. the dark will have less food it's it's. our choice does it feel Like some social. media are designed to inspire fear and. hate, of course, because again, it's.

just it's being perpetuated through. through people that are unconscious. I. would say like they I don't think. there's that many like dark sorcerers in. the world. I think there are a few I. think there are definitely some people. that that commune and know what they're. doing, you know, like ritualistically. But I think most people are just. unconscious and they're just seeking. worldly delight, worldly temptation, worldly power. >> Yes. >> Right. And they're just unconsciously. not sure why, but they're just like, well, that seems safe.

You know, I don't want to lose my I. don't want to lose what I have. I don't. want to, you know, I want to maintain. and preserve, but you can't. This world. is ephemeral. It's passing, right? We. know this. Um, it's the way it's. designed. We're supposed to be able to. let go and again commune with a higher. power. And that's the greater energy. And that actually was what really. preserves you. That's when you get to. that place of you know what the saints. and things people like that can glow and. that can actually like emit you know. emit light right you know the you know. all these examples of what like what.

Christ is. this is where we're supposed to we're. supposed to uh imitate is to try to. bring more light into the world. And so, um, if we're not, how do you say, if people are not there, but they're. putting out these things, they're just. reflecting themselves. So, a lot of. these, going back to Hollywood, like a. lot of these creators are just, that's. the level that they're at. Their. consciousness is at that level. Their. consciousness is full of, you know, their mind is full of, you name it, perversion, negativity, angst, fear. So,

they're perpetuating that. They're not. coming from a higher modality. They're. not coming from a higher place. But it's. just that's they can only reflect what. they are. >> Do you think it's more obvious in. Hollywood than in other places? >> Um power centers. I mean there's a lot. of power centers. London is London is a. power center. Hollywood's a power. center. New York is a power center. I. mean every city is like a hub because. how much energy gets you know how do you. say like there's so many more people.

there. There's so much more attention. But obviously Hollywood is this. magnifier of you know of consciousness. And so I think that wherever the. consciousness. goes even collectively you could say. Hollywood shifts accordingly. I don't. think Hollywood itself is like they're. sitting there going like this is the way. it is. It's like their barometer of. where consciousness is. And so it's it's. how do you explain it? It's almost like.

reflecting each other. They put out darkness. People want that. They feed into it. That's where the. collective is. The collective wants. wants to experience this. They want to. go into darkness. They want to go into. experience the darkness. Okay. >> When you get to a certain point, you. wake up. You say, "I'm tired of the. nightmare.". And I think that's where we are. That's. what the awakening means. I'm start, you. know, it's like people saying, "Okay, you know what? Enough of the nightmare. Let's let's let's change the story." and. people rejecting Hollywood accordingly. and saying, "Yeah, unless you guys shift.

the narratives, we're not going to watch. your content anymore. The more we shift, the more Hollywood will shift." So, it's. it's it's a dance. It's Hollywood can't. cannot survive without the audience. You. cannot, you know, drug dealers can't. can't survive without the drug addicts. We collectively have to shift our. consciousness and everything will. change. >> I believe that. I notice it with AI. Um, most people, including I think the.

people who are creating AI, aren't. really exactly sure what it's going to. be. >> Yeah. >> Um, what the effects are going to be, but the only publicity about AI that's. coming out of the developers of AI is. negative and terrifying. >> Mhm. >> There's been I've noticed since this for. the last three or four years, there's. been no real effort to explain to you or. me or anyone how this is going to be. great for us. Mhm. >> And a lot of effort put into telling us. this is going to end everything that we. love, including human autonomy, >> our jobs, our economy. It'll basically.

be a slave state run by machines. That's. what they're telling us. The people who. are making it are telling us that. >> And so my instinct is they're trying to. terrify us for some reason. And it may. just be because that feeds the dark. spiritual powers that are creating. creating it. Yeah. I think I think AI is. just like everything. It's just both. dark and light, you know? It's like the. internet, right? You can find the. darkest things out there. You can find. you can find great information, right? You can find the books of the world if.

you want to read them. >> And it's just going to be a question of. where human consciousness will take it. Um, you know, again, I I I believe that, you know, again, because this is God's. universe, I do have like a more positive. view of like where all this is going. When we were post 911, it was a dark I. could feel the darkness, man. I could. feel it before 911. I could feel war. coming from about 2000, the year 2000, 2001. I was like feel like I could feel. the energy of war and the darkness of.

the 2000s. I felt like war on terror was. literally terror. It was it was about. terror. It was about terrorizing. everybody, >> you know. It was literally like. terrorizing the public. Exactly. >> It was terror for everybody, the. American public, the broad. So the um. that era was like you know this shift in. in in consciousness was um you know. again it was a pretty dark phase. I. think now we are almost like operating. in different realities simultaneously. which is kind of cool you know and I.

think it's almost I feel more like. choose your adventure. What do you want. to do with you know with technology? What do you want to do with the world. you know that that you're in? and um and. just trust that it's this this is all. like. this is all like for our evolution as. souls. >> [clears throat]. >> um to return you know to basically be. reminded of the light to return to the. light ultimately to reassend I hope you. know in time I think that's you know. that would be the the goal right is to.

return to a state of of um you know more. closeness to God that's but you have to. be separated to want to go back Right. >> A lot of people are looking forward to. going back right now all of a sudden. Um, so we're told that there's going to. be some kind of disclosure about UAPs, UFOs. >> by the federal government. What are. UFOs? >> So I think we have reverse engineer. technology that's been talked about for. a long time. Um,

certainly like Roswell is a famous. incident. From what my understanding of. it, something did crash and there was a. huge military response and then you know. the idea of a weather balloon and then. they changed the story twice. It was. originally like yeah weather balloon and. then it was like some other thing. >> They basically the guy like they had the. guy that was there initially uh. I can't remember the name. He was a. military intel guy. He took it back to. like his family like a piece of the. metal and it was it was like very strong.

but at the same time it was like you. could actually like slightly bend it but. it would come back and it was unlike any. metal they'd ever seen. So this was this. this was described by him and then his. son but he was uh basically forced to. take the photo the famous photo. I think. his name is Marcel like he was had the. famous photo of like holding the the. weather balloon. >> and [clears throat] to say like it was. it was just a weather balloon and like. he basically was forced to take that. picture. >> Um. I think since that time we've been.

reverse engineering. I've talked to way. too many people who are part of black. programs or, you know, have seen, you. know, we have a secret space program. The US space force is older than than. Trump. Like they basically brought it. from like the hidden to the more public. side now. Um, but uh, for example, I. talked to Dr. Fred Bell. Do you remember. do you know him at all? Fred Bell was a. very famous guy in the uh alien the UFO. community because he had worked with the.

government and he was also writing books. about like alien technology and. consciousness and things like this. quantum physics. Brilliant guy. So we. interviewed him for conspiracy theory, the show I used to do with Jesse. Ventura, and he was talking about mind. war, like using frequency for like, you. know, affecting people's thoughts and. being able to affect people at a. distance, right, through various tech. technologies. But off the record, he was. like, "I shouldn't tell you guys this.

because my CIA my CIA handler would not. be happy with me, but I've been to the. one of like some of these underground. military facilities." And he's like, "I've even met what you would call like. a gray alien." Like he's like, "I shook. hands with one, you know, [laughter] and. he's like, "They're, you know, they're. down there like in these facilities. We. have these these joint partnerships.". Within 24 hours of that conversation, off the record, he was dead. He died in. his hotel room before he could before he.

could leave uh Minnesota where he was uh. >> after your interview. >> Doing the interview. Yeah. Yeah. He died. of a heart attack. >> A lot of people involved in the space. program in a kind of spooky science. connected to the federal government have. died or disappeared recently. >> Yeah. >> Like a lot. It's like 11 that they've. confirmed missing or dead. >> Yeah, it seems like a lot. >> Nuclear. Yeah. From everything from like. fusion programs to NASA scientists. Um.

certainly in the age of U of disclosure. which we've been living through the last. few years. It's cur it's more curious. Uh at first I thought people were saying. like the ch they were suspecting the. Chinese. But do you remember look I mean. we still never got an answer to those. drones. >> No New Jersey. last year they were all. over not just Jersey they were all over. like from eastern seabboard right. Virginia I mean multiple states I mean. you get this kind of stuff all the time. you know these anomalies. >> I actually asked about that um because.

Trump was going to disclose what it was. remember during the campaign he said I'm. going to get to the bottom of this and. >> and then he said ah it's not a big deal. and I asked I got a it's not a big deal. >> Epstein Epstein's not a big deal. >> not [laughter] a big deal it's. >> but what were. Listen, I I look at this world. I mean, you ever see those paintings, some of. those old paintings, and you see like. these little drone looking. >> things in them. >> I just look at this world like we are. being observed. You know, the watchers,

>> they're again dark and light. They're. observing this this experiment of the. fall, right? We've fallen, but God is. always watching. God's permitting. And. you know, there's beings that are. interested in our genetics, that's for. sure. Um, the eugenics thing is ancient. >> Why are eugenics is an ancient? >> Well, we talked about it like the idea. of um creating humans, some of which. were of royal bloodline or from like. deities and others are just more like.

>> workers. Um, I think it's ancient. I. mean, isn't it curious like the. different races, you know, where do we. do we all just come from one race and we. become like darker skinned, lighter or. are we actually like the different blood. lines, right? They're different blood. types. So, is it just evolutionary or is. there something else, you know, going on. in terms of I think you know genetics. connects to consciousness because as we. know like the eugenics interest it's. extreme. I mean, by the way, we gave.

birth to Hitler because the eugenics. conferences were here first. They were. British American eugenics conferences. and a lot of them yeah were racist. Absolutely. But the interest in the idea. that like um. consciousness as we talked about if the. brain and the like is a receiver then of. course different genetics are going to. receive information differently. You. know the body you how we experience. reality is is through this body.

So isn't it if you know if we believe in. souls and you know the uh the journey. that we go through in our life our body. is very connected to that experience. So, of course, there's a fascination. with, you know, how much. um is it contingent on on our genetic. makeup and our propensities. For. example, I for about 50 years in the United. States, it was basically. not allowed for people to mention any of.

this in public because it was Hitler. stuff or whatever they said about it. >> They changed the name. They called it um. they changed it from eugenics to uh. what's the Cold Spring Harbor? They're. doing at Cold Spring Harbor basically. the same research. It's just genetic uh. what's the the term for it anyway? They. it's just it's they call it genetic. research now and like you know bio you. know they they they research biotech I. think we call it. >> yeah biotech and things like this but. it's the same principles not not not. maybe not based in the same racism but. some of it's I'm sure some of these.

people are still racist like Epstein who. was called everybody that wasn't. Jewish [laughter]. right I mean some of these guys are. still racist um but yeah I mean they. they just they just changed the the name. um it's just interesting that even as. the public has been absolutely. banned from talking about this stuff. The people in charge are very fixated on. genetics. >> Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. That doesn't surprise. you. Why should it I mean, what again if. if this vehicle it's it's it's pretty.

interesting technology. I mean, the. body's incredible technology. That's. what freaked me out so much during CO. was like the whole mRNA. uh delivery system, right, that they. were trying to inject us with. And as a. lot of people were warning that mRNA. technology can start to affect your. genome and might be passed on to your. children. >> I think it's been confirmed now, >> right? So it's pretty pretty scary stuff. that they were just mass injecting. >> into hundreds of millions of people. But.

then and now we know that it can affect. your DNA. >> I think that's beyond dispute. But I. haven't read any followup and like okay. what you're changing human beings. generationally. What are the likely. effects of this? And that's that's the. transhuman agenda. So transhumanism, transhumanism you could say is the. evolution. of eugenics. to the place where a lot of these elites. want to um biologically re-engineer the. human and arguably they want to get us.

to a place where they can merge us with. the AI, the machine consciousness to. make us well you could say like an an HG. Wells type of scenario, right? You have. the elite who and some of whom love, you. know, the idea of like Elon Musk, you. know, connect me to the machine, connect. me to the computer so that I can be. smarter, right? And uh and then, you. know, arguably those that are, you know, more mundane will either not have the.

ability or they'll be connected in a way. that they can be more controlled. Is. this what we're going towards? You know, a cyborg type of future. >> Seems clear, right? It's certainly. feasible. I don't think in the next 5. years but probably 20 30 years and. beyond you could see a whole new. humanity. What do you think the point of. the co exercise was? >> H. [snorts]. um. multi-layered. they they wanted I mean it seems that.

they wanted to shut down the world and. and print money on mass. They know they. didn't have a war like to do it right. without a great war. they needed some. kind of, you know, conflict. This. exercise was a way of, I think, testing. consciousness to see how pliable. compliant people are. And obviously, it. was, like I said, frightening just to to. to see your friends and neighbors just. becoming like. >> the Borg, you know, in Star Trek, just. obey, wear your mask, do not question.

If you question, you're crazy, you're. dangerous, you know, you should be. At. some point they were talking about. moving people to concentration camps for. quarantine camps. They were talking. about um digital tracking. I don't think. they achieved fully what they could have. or what if the dark side had won let's. say prevailed. We could have you kidding. me? We could have been what Chomsky said. those of us that were unvaxed we could. have been pushed out of society. You. know they could have created a total. digital you know verification of how.

many shots you've had and you know if. you obeyed or not. I mean the the social. credit system of like you know a. communist society they could have gone. all the way. I don't think they they. they I don't think they won that battle. but I think it was a big test to see. where our human consciousness was. >> I notic you didn't mention public health. as one of the reasons for that campaign. >> shifting our which in which aspect. >> well the inherent threat of the virus. that didn't play any role in this. The. virus was a perfect virus in so far as.

it was very contagious and I think we. all got exposed to it and I think the. virus does have long-term effects that. we should work to clean out. But things. like ivormectin and other can help us. with cleaning that out of our system. But it wasn't like a particularly deadly. virus. No, I mean just look at the. numbers. It was deadly with if you had. two plus coorbidities and you were over. 70 years old. Yeah, that was that was. dangerous. But anyone who was paying. attention, you know, I was we knew about.

ivormectin, we knew about um. hydroxychloricquin, um vitamin C, zinc. I mean, just, you. know, health protocols, being in the. sun, fresh air, all the things you would. normally think would be healthy, >> you know, keeping your weight normal. >> Yeah. >> So, last question, where So many things. are happening at once right now. One. thing I've noticed during this. conversation is you seem completely. unsurprised, unpleased by all these. crazy things going on because you've. just seen the world through this vantage.

for so long that like doesn't surprise. you. Is that fair? >> Yeah. I think that uh when you when. you've been growing up seeing conspiracy. reality, >> which I saw since I was like six, seven. years old and my dad made JFK. um you don't I don't try to assume. anything because I'm not in a position. of one of the elites that's you know. apparently you know making these types. of decisions right. >> um so. >> but you see a UFO and you say I'm.

looking not at an anomaly but at reality. >> yes. >> yeah so that's a different way of. looking at the world so um and probably. a better one but given that worldview. you see now the unresolved war in. Ukraine this new war in Iran, which. seems like it is already a global war. Who knows? >> The promise of UAP disclosure, the rise of these terrifying dystopian.

technologies, mass surveillance, AI, >> yeah, >> all happening in like a 5year span. >> What is all of this? They're clearly. connected phenomena. >> They're definitely connected phenomena. Um, any one of these things would have been. enough to like fry my 30-year-old brain. if these had happened in 1999. I guess it was well, look, the the the. NATO war against Serbia was pretty was.

it was relatively isolated, but that. region of the Balkans, but you know, that region was just devastated by, you. know, that era. I keep emphasizing to. people, look, the world ended many many. times already. I think if we lived. through World War II, we it can you imagine like the. devastation of that time period? I mean, maybe 100 million dead. Um the entire. world, you know, engaged at some level. of the conflict. Um just I think that we.

can't really we have to get back to like. kind of primary principles of okay is it. really as bad as we might the mind might. want it might want it to believe you. know and the fear wants us to believe. >> Yes. >> So I don't like to give get into those. like those give into those fear. narratives. I um I I truly believe that. the light is prevailing. people are. waking up every time something, you.

know, is occurring. We're in a time now. where it's like thanks to the social. media component, as much as we can say. like, yeah, there's benal things, there's like degrading things, there's. things that maybe like take us out of. ourselves or into our lower self, there's also so much revelation coming. at the same time, right? So, we can have. these conversations now that listen, I. couldn't talk about the the the. pedophilia cannibalism stuff back in the. 2000s when I first found out about it. because, you know, I was reading like. the Franklin about the Franklin scandal. and the Franklin cover up and things. like this, right? This was back in the.

um in the ' 80s and '90s that they were, you know, the trafficking ring. remember. >> right in Franklin and it had to do with. Larry King who was very high up in the. Republican National Committee and um you. know [clears throat] stories like this. that I knew about. >> a different Larry King. >> Yeah, a different Larry King. Exactly. The black Larry King, not uh not not the. CNN Larry King. Um and you know I. couldn't talk about these things. publicly but gradually I've seen. consciousness awakening. It's my journey. has been so interesting in that regard. Like I was doing conspiracy theory with.

Jesse Murer back when it was shut down. because we were asking, you know, we. were asking all the right questions. apparently, but the network uh True TV. shut us down because he had challenged. uh a I think he I think it was I think. it was because of the the um the episode. that he did about um FEMA FEMA camps. maybe. Was that like he triggered. something? >> Yeah. Yeah, but there were some things. he was we touched upon that were like, "Okay, the show is cancelled." So.

nowadays, you know, if he'd wanted to, you know, we could have shifted it to. like, you know, a Tik Tok channel or. something. We could have we could have. continued it. Um. >> all these conversations that we were. having about the the Skinwalker Ranch. Now there's shows on Netflix about. Skinwalker Ranch. >> Um the UAP stuff, you know, coming out, the hybrid programs, the reverse. engineering being discussed in Congress. So I feel like the awakening is more. important than the events themselves. The events themselves because look this.

is a reality where unfortunately yes. like it's painful it's full of. suffering. There's sorrow. Our loved. ones are going to die one way or. another. Everything's going to pass in. this world. Right? So what what matters. is where are we awakening to the. reality? Are we seeing the spiritual. forces that are that are at work? And if. we can again choose light instead of. darkness, I do believe we can create a. better reality. Uh but it starts with. with awakening and realization. Not. being we're going to put this in the. corner. We're not going to discuss the. pedophilia. No, that's being discussed.

openly now. We're not going to discuss, you know, the rape and murder and. cannibalization of kids. No, we're going. to discuss that because by becoming. aware of it now, we can get to a place. of okay, all this all of this somehow. exists in our reality. Let's choose a let's choose a better. version. Let's choose better version of. reality, right? Where this doesn't. happen as prevalently if at all. >> So the awakening is worth the suffering. that leads to it. >> It's the only way. It's the only way to.

awaken is to suffer. It's what Buddha. even Buddha sees suffering in the world. He says, I want to understand what's. causing this. Get to the heart. You. know, he wants to awaken, right? He. wants to create a more compassionate. reality even though he knows that. suffering will still exist. So it. doesn't have to be as evil as. cannibalizing, you know, people and. murdering women and children and all. these horrible things, but there will. still be suffering in our reality at. this point point of human experience,

right? We're still going to suffer. illness and old age and and death. >> um until. you know God decides that we enter a. more golden age. >> Sean Stone, thank you very much. [clears throat]. It's a pleasure. [music].