'Ethical Hacker' Hacks Tucker Live on the Podcast, and Exposes the Satanic Cults Lurking Online

Okay, I wanted to do this I I wanted to. meet you. I heard about you from my. friend Shawn Ryan, wonderful man. Um he was going on about you and the. work that you're doing. on the darkest things happening on the. internet, which we'll talk about in a. minute, but he said this is a guy who. really understands. how to use the internet. Open Oh, just. open source. Um and also non-open source since he's. also an expert on hacking. But uh so let's just start there. What. can you learn about someone you've never.

met on the internet open source? Basically everything. And and they what. I did with you cuz you know, I was told. in advance that you're not really a a. computer guy. >> own a computer actually. >> You don't even own a computer. >> not own a computer. I have I have an. iPhone, which is I don't know how. different that is from a computer. I've. I haven't owned a computer since 2011. Because I just I just disapprove, basically. Well, hey. To each his. [laughter] own, right? But that is a. computer that you have right there. >> is a computer. You're totally right.

Back when I was even when I was a kid, that thing is like 10 times more. powerful. >> right. And I always say I don't have a. TV, but like I get X or whatever YouTube. on my phone, so it's like a distinction. without a difference. It's just it's a. absurd pretense that I keep up. Hey, well hey. It's a you know, I did when I. was doing the research, I I confirmed. that, you know, running your phone. number, running your email, there's not. many accounts connected to them. So it's. >> No accounts. Yeah, I have I don't have. email uh that I use. I don't have email. really and I've had the same phone. number since 1995. I found I found some.

old like I'll show you in a second, but. the you know, old you know, news-related. emails. There was one with. s.carlson@ We know there's an Oh, I. found all your old emails, but. it doesn't seem like anything is active. So for me it was the 20-minute challenge. was you know, you I think you might you. might be shocked. >> challenge? 20 minutes to find out what. you can about somebody? >> Yeah, that's all we we call it that in. the office, you know, just to see what. we could find on you and uh and let me. pull out my laptop and show you. So, you do own a computer, is what.

you're saying. I own a lot of computers. >> [laughter]. >> I am a nerd. Yeah, there's something about I I don't. know. I just we're not in charge of. the growth of technology and its. increasing power over our lives. I'm. certainly not in charge and yes, I. did put in Starlink in my hunting camp, um which is a huge mixed blessing, but I. just I just want to say out loud that I. disapprove. >> Disapprove of me. I do. I just do. No, I.

don't disapprove of computers. I Well, we can smash this thing right here on. camera. No, no, I'm not that. unreasonable. I just I don't I I feel. like human autonomy and human. consciousness, like. our ability to think for ourselves is is. threatened by technology and I'm upset. by it. I agree with that and this might. make you even more angry. So, um is this your social security number? Let me get my glasses. Yeah, yeah.

It certainly is. >> [laughter]. >> Okay. How do you have my social security. number? Well, so I have your social security. number, um I have your full name, obviously. I don't think that's a. secret. I I I see all your fishing. licenses and and you know, hunting. licenses from Alaska, Oregon, Virginia. I mean, I found. all all the places that you do your. thing. >> Alaska, Oregon, Virginia, huh? Yep, I. even have your driver's license number. in Florida. Oh, it's Looks like you. haven't changed your phone number in a. long time. >> 1995. Okay, so that was Every every. mental patient in America has my phone.

number. Every Everybody has. I'm not. afraid of people. I'm never going to be. afraid of people, so. One thing I want. to tell you about how I have your social. security number and why it's kind of. ridiculous, to be honest with you. Have. Have you heard of the national public. data breach? No. Okay, so Can I just say. that I keep my assets in gold coins. buried in a place that, you know, only. my children can identify, so. Well, you're not I'm totally safe. You can't. drain my bank account. Well, let me show. you something. I might not be able to drain drain your. bank account, but.

here is your signature from your. warranty deed. So, having your How do you have that? That is my actual signature. Yeah, yeah, I'm aware. Which is not my name. So, I. don't know how you would have that. Oh, I pulled it from public records. >> This is crazy. Yep, so if I use your social, I have. your I know general location. I know you. use a PO box to buy, you know, buy. everything. I found behind, you know, I. found behind the PO box. Um, I saw your your motorcycle. transaction that you made with I have.

the old plate and the new plate with the. Harley. Um, >> [laughter]. >> I found as much as I could in the 20. >> You found my Harley? Yeah. >> [laughter]. >> So, >> Not something I talk about. That's so. funny. Wow. Okay. But the my point here. is. >> The new six-speeds are amazing. Can I. just say that? My old car only had four. speeds. >> I love motorcycles. I do too. Yeah, secretly do. Very secretly. So, the. national public data. uh. breach was ridiculous, to be honest with. you. Um, it was 2.8 billion records about a year.

and a half ago, roughly. And a Florida. sheriff ran a data broker website, which. had you know, just you could look up. somebody's name, similar to white pages. But for whatever reason, this Florida. sheriff got access to all of this data. and was using it to, you know, I'm I'm. assuming sell data, make money on it. Well, he decided to reuse credentials. for uh a demo project or old project on. his main production system, which. allowed 2.8 billion records to be. exposed with, you know, we know there's.

about 300 million Americans. So, if. there's 2.8 billion records in this. database, um, there's a good chance that you're in it. with your social security number. And. you're in there about, I think, 15 times. if you look at that document with. everywhere you've ever lived. Um, you. know, including anyone associated, etc. Um. So, and this is all publicly available. now? >> It's publicly available and and what we. did was because since since like I said, I could you know, maybe you have all. your assets in gold, let's say. Like I. have the ability to call your electric.

company and pretend that I'm you. And. what do I not have about you that to. confirm that I'm you? Um you know, there. or if I want to open up a credit card or. if I want to buy a. Harley, you know, there's not much. that's stopping me. Um. so or you know, we we decided like and. I'll get into some of some of this in a. little bit, but like you know, we. started a cybersecurity company using. the methodologies that I used to locate. these predators and traffickers. And. instead of doing something like, you. know, targeting bad people, you can you. can sign up for it and protect your your.

digital footprint. So, um we we were you. sitting in a hotel room, this data. breach came out and we're like, we want. people to know if they're in this like. immediately because if your social's. exposed, you should be freezing your. credit like right now. And we noticed. nobody else nobody else was allowing. anyone to search for this. So, we threw. it together as fast as we possibly could. and um it was all over the place. Tucker. like, we didn't realize that the news. was going to pick up on it the way that. it did. Um there were uh. congresspeople in in New York even.

showing how to demonstrating how to use. our search on our website. Um I believe. it was Ritchie Torres in New York. Um. and there was a a bunch of them, that's. just the one that's coming to mind. And. uh you know, this is not me trying to. advertise, this is just relevant to the. story, but like people would go to npd. like national public data dot. pentester.com. and uh and you can run your name, you'll. see if you're in this breach. If you. are, it doesn't cost you any money. whatsoever to freeze your credit. And we. we give you the instruction on how to go.

to TransUnion, Equifax, Experian and um. and freeze it. And people think, well, if I freeze my credit, it's going to. affect my score or whatever. It doesn't. hurt your score to freeze it, it just. stops people from being able to run a. soft or hard query against it. And when. you're ready to go do something that. requires your credit, you just click the. unfreeze button, which takes 10 seconds. They run your credit and then you freeze. it again. And this will alleviate a ton. a ton of issues. I mean, I don't know if. your credit's frozen. I'm hoping by the.

time that this episode's out it is. because I don't have any credit. I don't. take any loans. Okay, well, if you're. not worried, you're not worried. >> [laughter]. >> I don't WANT CREDIT. I DON'T like money. lending. Period. Understood. I. understood, but most people would be. worried, but there's a good chance. there's like this is not me. fear-mongering. Your your social's most. likely in this database if you're if. you're watching this episode, you know, so it's a the way that you didn't know. about it even though it was all over the. news a lot like almost everyone I meet. face-to-face is not aware that they're. in this data breach. And and we're we're. doing a good job at exposing that it.

exists. I cannot take this data breach off of. some hacker's computer in Russia like or. you know, whoever downloaded it. I can. I don't know how familiar you are with. how these data breaches work, but like I. can't remove your data from a data. breach. It's just a file that gets. shared amongst many people. It's out there. So your social is on as. many people's computers as down that. downloaded that data breach. So we're. doing the same thing, but showing you. you know, we're allowing you to search.

through that file. And then we give you the the options to. to freeze your credit. >> to need biometrics really soon. I mean, that's probably the point of this, right? To get us to biometrics cuz Yeah, well, I mean, I just don't understand. how the sheriff in the first place got. got access to every single American's. personal information including their. socials. But from there we thought okay, how how can you clean up your digital. footprint, which I'm going to show you. something that I think I don't know what. your thoughts on facial recognition are. and all of that, but I want to show you. some cool stuff that people are scared.

of, but they should also look at as you. know, you have a digital footprint even. though you don't use a computer. Like. people need to realize that. They have. to understand. >> people's porn records get leaked? Immediately. This is like I could show. you an example of it right now. And um, you know, the way that the way that we built this. platform was, like I said, to how we. identified predators and traffickers, but now it's any consumer can sign up. for it. Um, see what's out there on. them. See what accounts are connected to. them, their kids, if their kids have. some secret, you know, accounts or or. anything like that. Um, and uh, let's.

say they were in a wedding photo 4 years. ago and they were in the back corner and. half their face is showing, that might. be enough identifiable information to. identify that, you know, they are, you. know, what their name is or who they are. just by them walking down the street and. being in a photo, which I'll demonstrate. so that makes more sense. Um, you know, we could use somebody here. that doesn't have as much of a public. image cuz you and I, we can take a. picture and you're going to see a ton of. results, but somebody if they're. willing, if not, I'll show you my own. face or yours or whatever you'd like.

Um, we built that because, you know, we. I'll give you a good example. This. happened recently. So, we hired Are you. familiar with Wynwood? In Miami? No. Okay, so it's an art. district in Miami and there's awesome. graffiti artists down there. And. we decided to hire a graffiti artist. that, you know, is most likely. committing crimes when he's not being. paid legitimately. to to paint our office. And um, the guy was a super nice guy, but he went by an alias and he was going. to be in our office for 6 to 8 days.

That's what he said to us. So, we said to the guy, uh, you know, we we. asked him what his name was. He was a. little bit hesitant to tell us. He, you. know, he he honestly didn't. He just. told us his alias, which was a. three-letter word and um, I took a. picture of his face and I I ran it. through our system. I found a picture of. him with his grandparents that had their. full names in it and I said, "Look, man, this is how easy, you know, with. surveillance camera or anybody taking a. photo of you can identify you in 2026. You know, we could get into the whole.

Europe privacy laws with facial. recognition in China. But like in the. United States with this technology, instead of using it for good and in our. case where we're showing you what's out. there about yourself, people can use. this for bad to identify you or your. kids or you or you know, your family. And it's it's very dangerous and um you. know, we we just want people to know. about this stuff. So, we built some. really cool technology if you want to. check it out. That's amazing. A lot of. people hesitate before getting. traditional therapies for cholesterol. health. They don't want to wind up stuck. on capsules for the rest of their lives,

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Yeah. I mean, I Let me see. Like Do you. mind if I get up and show you the. computer? >> you will. All right. Amazing. And then there's all of the. addresses that came from the data. breach. Uh hold on. Oh my gosh. Probably going back a long time. That's. my childhood home. Yeah, I mean, these are I haven't lived. in 40 years. Wow.

Wow, that is crazy. Okay. So, you've just taken a picture of my. face and you're feeding my face into the. database. Uh I'm not going to feed it into the. into the database this is not going to. be stored or anything like that. We. We're We're only doing it just to show. an example of it's it's taking 120. measurements of your face. Uh so like for example let's say you. were wearing makeup or something or you. had purple hair. It doesn't make a.

difference because there's other. measurements that will and like I said. there could be it could be half of your. face or a quarter of your face. It's. just going to try to use those. measurements to identify you um not the. actual image itself. There's a. difference between reverse image. searching like looking for an identical. image and reverse facial recognition. where it's trying to measure like this. nostril is this many centimeters from. the lower earlobe, you know? And a lot of different measurements. Let's just say you're not a criminal you. have no interest in breaking the law.

here in the United States, but you don't. want to be identified on the basis of. your face. Is there anything you can do. to disguise your identity and foil. facial recognition? Unfortunately, wearing a mask I mean you. you could still be identified by the top. half of your face. I mean you could wear. like a. COVID mask or something if you're one of. those guys, but. you know, you could do that. You could. you could wear I mean it's it's it's. extreme though, you know, like a wearing.

wearing a full face mask to cover. it's. put a hood up and walk past cameras with. your head down. I mean you can't really. get around this technology. You can't. So, sunglasses don't do it. No. No. No. No. We could We could try to mess with. you in any way and I guarantee you I. mean I. Yeah, so here you are all over the place. here. I'll speak loud, but you see these these. URLs underneath of them? Yeah. So, in each one of these and.

there's going to be and there's an. endless supply of photos of you on the. internet, Tucker, so it'd be kind of. pointless to go through these for you. Um but let's say your average person. Let's say you're in your 40, 50, 60 and. you don't know what's out there on. yourself because it's not possible to. search by your face unless you have a. specialized tool to do it. Law. enforcement usually has this, you know, ability, but consumers don't. And um. what we did is uh. we we allow you to search and we show. you where that image is at. So, then you. can either reach out to to us or if you.

can take it upon yourself to contact. that website, whether it be let's say. as I used a wedding wedding. photographer. Reach out to that wedding. photographer and say, "Hey, I would like. my photo taken down off of your. website." Or if it's, you know, maybe. you're at a a kid's sports game and it's. showing pictures of your children like, you know, you want to know that that. stuff is out there because somebody else. could be searching you. It's, you know, it's not about Everybody's like, "It's. not going to happen to me. It's not. going to happen to me." But then. sometimes it happens to you. And uh and. that that's why we built what we built.

and we're trying to hit every angle. We're trying to hit your your, you know, your digital footprint as a whole and. then we're automating as many removals. as possible uh for you so you could. just, you know, essentially put in your. email, put in your name to Pen Tester, uh as much information as you're willing. to give us and then over time it'll. start to build out a profile on you. The. same way that that I did in that little. challenge, but automatically and then. you'll start to see removals happening. over time and you'll see where it got. removed from, where, you know,

how many are pending, how many are left. It's it's a super cool easy process and. um and I'm going to sound like a car. salesman, but like it's less than 20. bucks and I don't know why it's a I. think everybody should should be doing. it. Um there's just nobody out there. doing this and uh you get all of this. for $20. It doesn't seem like there's any privacy. possible in the United States. Absolutely not. No. And when it comes to. technology, you are fully exposed. It's. like you're naked, you know? I mean, I. came in here, you know, we met one time.

before in person and and. you know, it's not like I snuck your. social out of your wallet that day. I. got I came in here saying, "Hey Tucker, I have your social security number, your. warranty deed, and your your signature.". Um, yeah, maybe you don't have credit, but most people most people in the. United States do. And it's a big deal to. them, you know? Of course. And I didn't. mean I understand that and I the system. is set up against people, which is my. main problem with the system. You. shouldn't have to be heavily in debt in. order to live here if you've got a job.

and you're like a responsible person who. works 8 hours a day, but you have to. have debt. No, you shouldn't have to. have. >> Then the system is designed to enslave. you, which ours is. So, that I'm just opposed to it. So, but. I didn't mean to be like, "Oh, I don't I. didn't say I have any debt." No, I have. No, I'm very privileged not to have. debt. And by the way, it's the very. first thing I did when I made some. dough. I didn't buy anything. I paid off. all my loans because. I despise. being indebted to anybody and I despise. the people who put you in debt. I do. I. mean it. >> Understood. From the bottom of my heart.

Yeah, I. >> As I would despise a slave master and. they run around like, "Oh, we're making. American dream possible." No, you're. you're stealing it actually from people. Um, and you should be ashamed. Totally agree with you there and um. >> [laughter]. >> No, you're good. You're good. >> see I'm filled with eccentric. resentments, but. And I think in a normal society we would. recognize that and anyone who's lending. money at like super high interest rates. committing usury at that. level should be prosecuted for it. 110%. I agree with that. I mean, even those.

payday loans, for example, are horrible. The reverse mortgages are being marketed. like crazy right now. I mean, there's a. lot of dangerous horrible loans. >> and they're always running around. calling everyone else immoral. Um, but that is immoral. And by the way, I gave a speech once to the payday loan. lenders in the Bahamas back was 25 years. ago before I really had any views on. anything. And they were amusing, but man, that was. the sleaziest group of people I've ever. met in my life. I I have no doubt. I. don't know how they sleep at night. >> I agree. Well, here's a pretty awful.

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property. >> at a different level. I've never been in. business. I'm just like some employee. who talks for a living. So like I have a. very simple financial picture of my. life. Don't have that much money, but I. don't have any debt. And I think in my. business where you like make people mad, if you have debt, boy, that you know. >> They go after it. Yeah, you can you can. see why. Your means are are are public. as well. So, you don't have any, obviously, but it's a usually you they. they you know, people could find them. Well, you wonder why all these members. of Congress and the hair hats on. television are all saying exactly the. same thing cuz they're exposed. And.

everyone thinks it's exposed sexually. And a huge number of them are creepy. sexually, but it's not just that. It's. the money. It's the debt. It's the leash. that keeps them in line. That's wild. I. think. >> Yeah, yeah, you you might be right. You. might be right. Sounds like it. It's a. it. I I've never had this conversation. before. You I never Normally it's you. know, for me it's like No, you're fine. You're fine. It's a it's Well, if you're. if you're if. you know, if you're in debt to anybody, you're literally in debt to them. You.

owe them something you haven't yet paid. So, that is. um by definition, uh their control over you, right? Yeah, they have control over you and they can. take your assets if you don't pay them. So, Yeah. Yeah, totally understand it and um it's. it's a risky it's a depending on the you. know, depending on the type of person, some people are are more risk-taking. when they don't have the funds. They you. know, I don't believe you should be. taking out loans on that you can't. afford. Yeah. Um it you know, people. saying don't spend money you don't have.

It's a it's something most people are. aware of, but some people don't practice. that. Yeah, I I used to feel that way. Now, I'm kind of like, I don't know. I think people should stop paying their. credit cards. I know no one else agrees. with me. And oh, you have a moral. obligation. Really? Well, you have a. moral obligation not to send credit card. applications to kids in college. So, this goes both ways. It's like just. blaming the drug addict and never. mentioning the dealer. Someone's selling. the fentanyl. And that person is on the hook, too. So, that's how I feel. So, like, is it a sin. to rip off your drug dealer? I guess.

It's not one I'm going to judge you for. Yeah, I think I It's. 100% agree with you there. Yeah, >> [laughter]. >> I can't argue that. Yeah, so anyway, um. Wow, well, that's all very shocking. Let. me ask you a super dumb question cuz. that's the only kind I have, which is. when someone has your Social Security. number, like how threatening is that? So, when when someone has your social, it just gives them the ability to, uh, you know, pretend to be you. So, whether. it be. you know, we we talked about loans and. credit and all that stuff. Take that out.

of the picture. Imagine if, uh, you. know, I think you've experienced this. based on just a rumor. You you've been. SIM swapped before. Like somebody's. stolen your phone number and tried to. >> Oh, yeah, multiple times. So, you know, you I'm assuming your your carrier now. is a lot more, uh, strict with your. phone number. >> We've locked it down, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, [clears throat] but to I for for your. average person, if I call in and I say, "Hey, I'm Jane Doe. I have your social, you know, I have her social security. number." I can sound like a man and they. can't judge me in 2026. So, I'm Jane Doe.

with that with a man's voice with a. social, they're going to let me do. practically anything I want to the. account. That doesn't mean essentially. every time is going to be a SIM swap, but I can authenticate to pretty much. anything as you. Your electric in your. house, let's say, uh, you know, I I. report a problem with the electric and. they they turn the power off and on a, you know, Friday night and you don't get. your power back till Monday. That could. be a problem in some cold areas or some. hot areas. >> Yeah, for sure. >> there there's real-life consequences to. a Social Security number, which is such. a ridiculous way to identify somebody.

because they they're incremental and I. think it was 2011 is when the prefix of. them, like the first three digits, started becoming randomized. Like the. first I think it was the three digits. meant like the hospital and the next two. was the time frame, something like that. After 2011, it was changed to completely. random, but, you know, Social Security. numbers are are not, in my opinion, a. good way to keep yourself private. Well, because they are not, and this is what I. sort of half-asked you a minute ago, because the system is so obviously.

flawed and the internet itself is not. secure cuz it was designed to be open. and it'll never be secure. There will always be data breaches, always. And because everything takes place on. the internet, specifically financial. transactions, don't we have to go to biometrics? I think we need to, yeah, and it's a. it is absolutely a possibility now if, you know, fingerprints have been around. for a long time for fingerprint locks, and now that you can go to Home Depot. and buy a fingerprint lock for your. home. Um, but you know, we have. biometrics for for retina scanning that.

are that one I seen it at the airport. before with clear. I think clear might. have changed from retina scanning to. just facial recognition, but we have the. ability to do all of these different. biometrics that are are pretty, you. know, pretty solid ways to authenticate. yourself. Um, the the issue, which we could get more. into this later, but there there's. platforms out there that are trying to. use biometrics like facial scanning to. determine age to allow someone on a. platform. Um, it's failing miserably. Uh, and.

Why? Because it's just the technology is. doing a bad job at identifying the. person's age. Uh, like. like for example, if I scan my face, it. might say, you know, I'm I'm 32 years. old, but it could tell me that I'm 50, it could tell me that I'm 18, it could. tell me that I'm 16. It just depends on. whatever that platform decides. >> Yeah. And in my experience, it depends. on the kind of life you've lived. Honestly, >> Yeah, that's exactly right. >> [laughter]. >> Yeah, and and I have lived a crazy life, so who knows what the I don't know. This. is in in particular with the last couple.

weeks with Roblox. Um, so Roblox. implemented this as a safety measure. after a guy named Schlep, his name he. goes by, uh, and and myself went on some podcast, talked about the dangers of that. platform, and and showed some real. examples, which, you know, I'll show you. some some stuff in a a little bit, but. um, their way to combat this issue was, it you know, at least what it seems, um, is using. kids, yeah, they have to scan their face. and then they get grouped into, you. know, other grouped into lobbies with.

other kids their age that they. determined from a third-party company. that we don't know what they're doing. with the biometric data of the. children's faces. Um, and, uh, and a lot of the time they're getting it. wrong. And to make matters worse, you. can go on eBay and buy accounts for. certain age ranges. So, what do you. think a predator's going to do with, let's say, you got a 13-year-old account. 13-year-old account already verified. Roblox for, you know, $15 on eBay. Now. the guy can go target 13-year-olds. because he just spent 15 bucks. It's a.

it you can, you know, but the but the. moral of that is, you know, Roblox has a. huge responsibility. They're a big. platform. They're the largest platform. for children in the world. Uh, they're, you know, they they're. multi-billion-dollar corporation and, uh, but, you know, I can't fully blame. them. I don't think they've made good. decisions. I don't know if you know that. they've banned vigilantes from their. platform. They don't let law enforcement. on there. >> Okay, so can you describe for people who. don't have kids at home what it what it. Roblox is? Okay, so Roblox is.

imagine Legos. Like, you know, I'm sure. most people know what Legos are. Digital. Legos where they're walking around the. screen, they're chatting with each other. and they're playing games with each. other like, uh, like just to keep things simple, uh, tic-tac-toe virtually. I and they look. like little Lego characters and they're. the children are able to type to each. other and talk inside of these Roblox. games. And there's, you know, four, five, six, seven, eight-year-old. children playing this game. It's very. very popular amongst them. And, um,

you know, with this, you know, with this. age verification situation that they. just added, um, it [clears throat] makes. it more dangerous, in my opinion, and I. have solutions on what they could do. I have a friend that I can't name, but. they're federal law enforcement. They, uh, you know, have been in child crimes. for longer than I've been alive and they. didn't even get them to the second. interview stage. I found out that they. don't have anyone this could this this. is just me. being told something, but I found out. they had.

no one that's ever worked child crimes. for for our government or legal state. working on their team to to help with. these issues and as the largest. game in the world for children, you. would think that they would do. everything in their power to keep. predators off of that platform. And oh. and the point that I was trying to get. at was that. if you have a platform that's full of. kids, it's going to it's going to. attract a child. I'm I'm sorry. If you. have a platform that's. that is full of children, it's going to. attract a predator that cuz that's what. predators do. They they put themselves.

in positions like becoming teachers or. becoming, you know, police officers or. camp counselors or you know, whatever. where whatever gives them access to. children. So, yes, Roblox is. it for me to say is Roblox intentionally. trying to make a platform for predators. to groom children, I don't think that's. their goal, but I think they're doing a. horrible job at trying to combat it and. there's easy ways for them to make this. problem a lot better. And what I want to do as an individual. is is educate as many parents out there. that you know, cuz a lot of them their.

kids are playing this game. You know, 150 million daily active users or or. something something like that. Some. crazy high number of kids around the. world are playing this game and uh. you know, it's it's it's saddens me that. parents have no idea. They just hand. them an iPad, they hand them a computer. and they just they sit in a corner and. play this game where strangers are. getting access to them and asking them. for some of the most horrific things. that I've ever seen in almost eight. years of child crimes and trafficking. which, you know, I.

I there's a lot it's it's a lot easier. to show you what I mean by that than by. tell you that cuz it's you know, parents. parents, you know, can hear uh internet. has predators. The park, there might be. a sex offender at the park that's that's. staring at a kid. But until they see it. or or it's happened to them, it's. usually not real. Um and of course, it's. easy to say somebody like myself who. works in this space is going to be an. extremist or somebody that's that's. going to. immediately assume everybody is bad. because I deal with this every day. I.

have no evidence to believe that that it. isn't a significant problem because I. can't I'm finding in my in almost 8. years that there's more people that are. willing to meet or talk with a child. inappropriately than not on not just. Roblox, but any social media platform, chat app, and I've and I've demonstrated. this live on on many podcasts. And it's. never failed, unfortunately. I wish that. I could fail. I wish I could pull my. laptop out, go to a chat site, pretend. to be a child, and not have a grown man. asking me to do something inappropriate,

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opposed to it. But it's just really. upsetting. I understand that. To give. you just a counter to that, I mean, right after my interview with Shawn. Ryan, um a 13-year-old girl from the. same exact group I was just talking. about was hanging by an extension cord. in the parking lot. Um and in the chat. room while she did this live, we're. saying that they would, you know, she. took her clothes off, it'd be hot or she. died. They, you know, in the parking. lot. This happened right after. >> Actually? Yeah, yeah, there's there's. there's been a ton of suicides. This is. This is a significant issue, and that's.

why I wanted to talk about it. And And. Shawn brought it up. >> What platform was this? Uh that was They. they They're luring through mental. health support groups. They're looking. for vulnerable kids, um and then they. befriend them. And then after they. befriend them and they, you know, pretend they're they're boyfriend or. girlfriend, they exchange nude photos. And then after the nude photos are. exchanged, instead of uh sex-extorting. them like a Nigerian scammer might for. money, they try to get them to harm. themselves in exchange for not having. their photos exposed to, you know, their.

friends, family, school. It. They're sex-extorting them, but they're. They're using uh instead of money, they. want them to carve group names and. usernames into their chests, into their. wrists, into their bodies. And then, you. know, sometimes it'll escalate to. harming animals, uh like their pets in. their houses, or hurting strangers. Literally, there's been murders of. strangers, lighting homeless people on. fire. A guy torched himself in a hotel. room just to prove that he was worthy of. being part of one of these groups. I. mean, this is.

This is not just happening in like a. little part of the country somewhere, you know, randomly. This is on a mass. scale and you know, there there there's. some people that are saying that it's. that one of the biggest dangers for. children at the moment is is these. groups. Which I would I know it's sad. I. know people don't want to hear this. stuff. >> Well, it's overwhelming because there's. no motive. They don't have a motive. They're a nihilist extreme extremist. group. >> So that I mean, I think is the. definition of evil. The whole point of. it is the suffering. There's no.

It's not like you, you know, robbed a. liquor store and shot the clerk in order. to get his money, which is obviously. evil, but at least it's explicable in. human terms. This is just spiritual. evil. It's spiritually evil and and. there's they their logo is is a. pentagram. They they identify as a. satanic cult um and and the the the. original group is called 764 group. That. was it was the original the first one. that ever came out that had this uh. ideology or methodology that they use. and they they have like guides, literal.

guides that teach you how to groom and. extort these children and they they. spread them amongst each other. Well, now there's hundreds if not thousands of. these offshoots that do exactly the same. thing using different names. And um. you know, Has there been any effort to arrest. these groups? Yeah, so this is what. makes it a little bit difficult. So. there's 450 active investigations right. now with the FBI. Not nearly enough. I mean, I'm I could. show you one group that Sentinel Founda-. Sentinel Foundation and I, which I'll.

explain how I even got involved in a. minute. I can go on one of those groups and. there's more than 450 targets in that. group alone. I mean, it's and more needs. to be done from law enforcement, but I. understand that there's difficulty. because it's not like we're going after. the cartel where there's a ring leader. and then you can arrest all the guys. underneath of them. They're all in the. same town or they might get caught. together. These guys are from all over. the country, some of them international. and it's going to be one at a time, you. know, and and they don't use their real. names, they don't use real photos of.

themselves, they go by aliases. And um. and you know, it's it it's really uh. it's very sad. And uh but the way to. tackle this issue is not by arresting. one guy at a time, because the groups. these groups are just massively getting. larger and larger and larger, and a new. offshoot comes out that the second one. disappears. What what happens is uh it. you know, in my experience, parents uh. being aware of the issue, knowing what. it is, knowing what to look for on their.

children's devices, um that's going to. cause a lot more impact and and fix this. problem, or at least make a huge dent in. this problem, rather than making the. total of 30 arrests that have happened. in the five on them, maybe it's a total. of 35 arrests since the inception a. couple years ago. Um you know, I think. alerting parents is going to do a a way. bigger 35 people totally been arrested. in five years? Yeah, well, I think it's. like three or four years. I I don't. quote me on that, but it's. >> a lot. >> Not signifi- Yeah, it it should be way.

more than that. It should be way more. than that, but it's not. And uh and. these guys aren't some like crazy. hackers. Or they're connected to hacking. groups called The Com. It's a it's very. deep. It's a long story. But um. they're not like these elite hackers. that are impossible to find. You you. know, a lot of them are 16, 20-somethings. uh that you know, they're they'll feel. comfortable with somebody, pretend that. they're I'm sorry, they'll feel like. they're actually their friend, and. disclose their real name or phone. number, or where general idea of where. they live. And um if that person gets. arrested, you know they're snitching,

you know, they got 30 years to life or. something. They're telling on everyone. they can. So, but it's not a. it as I s- as I said, like yeah, we can. make as many arrests as possible, and. I'm all for it. But um when it comes. down to. you know, the the the scale of this. issue, one 30 35 arrests, let's just say it is, is not nearly enough. So, I think. educating parents is going to do a lot. more. And that's why I'm doing these podcasts. I'm not doing it for me. I'm doing this. for for parents. And children, of course.

Where's the forum? You said there are. these chat groups where. this begins. Where are those? So, I have. some screenshots of of these mental. health support groups. Sometimes they're. official, like actual mental health. support groups where. a child may be having suicidal ideations. or eating disorder or whatever it may. be. And and these guys will join there. looking for the child that's. you know that's suffering and then they. they reach out to them and pull them out. of that site. So, there's there's the. official real sites that that really.

will help you for your mental health. Um. and they're they're luring from there. and then they create their own fake ones. where they'll post on Twitter that'll. say, you know, are you struggling with. XYZ? Join this group. They join the. group. Everybody's all nice to you and. friendly and bubbly. And then the second. that you send that nude photo and and. I'm sure you know if if you. if if like for me when I was a kid. getting bullied in school for example, I. just. it's something that at the time I. thought it would never go away. I.

thought that my life was over. I thought. that no matter. you know, no matter what I did like. nobody was ever going to like me, you. know, and. and I relate with these these kids that. when they send these nude photos. they think my life's ruined, you know, if they if this gets out to my school or. to my family or to my you know, boss or. whatever it may be. Um that they're. never going to come back from it. Like. yeah, they made a mistake. They. shouldn't have been sending a naked. photo of themselves on the internet. I I. get that. But um their life will be. okay. It It doesn't mean you have to end.

your life over it. And and that's what. these these guys want you to do. They. want you to hurt yourself to the point. where they they're recording it. They. they create, you know, content from it. and send it to other groups and brag. about what they're doing. And um you You. and the end result is is them trying to. get you to end your life and cause as. much violence and extreme extremism as. possible. And and like like I said, I. have video after video of these people. live on camera talking to these group.

members stabbing strangers, lighting. people on fire, kicking old women down. the steps. And I could go go on and on. and on. I mean, it's very disturbing. stuff, but it's it's happening and kids. are are susceptible to this and they're. seeing like they're. at risk. I mean, they genuinely are at. risk. This is not me I'm not like. putting a tin foil hat on right now and. saying like this is a problem. This is a. problem. Like a significant one. So, I would like to show you that. I. know you're uncomfortable with it. I. just want you to see. >> Please do. Okay.

I'm just as you're talking, I'm. thinking like how did we get. to a place like this? Evil. I think. that, you know, we could get on a deep. conversation about this, but I and. people might say I'm I'm nuts, but I. believe that we we could be in the end. times. Like it it's the world's pretty. messed up right now. So. Yeah. The love between people will. grow cold. That is a predicted. It is. >> And it clearly has. And to hurt people. for the for the pure joy of hurting. them. That's it. There is no other.

benefit. Yeah. And I've never seen. anything like that in my life. You know, I especially coordinated and and. connected with real Satanist groups like. Order of Nine Angles, like a real. Satanist group off of the internet. They. have a direct connection with them as. well. Like they identify as Satanists. >> say Russia banned Satanism. Putin banned. Satanism. That's one of the reasons they. hate Putin. Um and if you look at who. hates Putin the most, it's not the. anti-Satanists. Um oh, you can say. whatever you want, but a normal country. would just ban this. Sorry. You can't.

you can't try to evoke spiritual evil in. my country because you'll destroy it. And they have. Yeah, well, I mean, it's definitely. illegal what they're doing. There's some. weird law with, you You cuz child sexual. abuse material, see Sam is obviously a a. child that's naked, but when a a child. cuts their wrists or they they do. something like that, unless it is. sexualized, it's not considered uh CSAM. So, I believe that the same way that we. made an exception in the United States. with AI-generated uh. child pornography or CSAM, uh we made an.

exception that we we treat that as the. real thing. Cuz people post pictures of. their kids all the time on social media, and I have these groups I have. screenshots of these groups that 30, 40,000 users in them that are using. other people's children with AI and and. putting them in vulnerable, horrible. positions. And it's like it's I don't. want to be the guy going on social media. saying, "Hey, don't post your child that. you're so proud of, um because these. guys are weirdos." But like this the. size of these groups, they have a pretty. good reason to say it, you know, and and. I can prove it. It's not me just saying.

it. Let me show you uh this group in. particular uh like cuz I I may I put it. in folders. Um. And And it's going to be it's trigger. warning here. Uh we don't you know, it's it's a lot. tougher, so Here, speaking speaking to. the mic here. There's a lot here, and. and it starts with luring, which this is. a little, you know, this is some mental. health stuff. Um join cool, friendly server to help. you go through your hard times. And you can see harm nation here. That's. one of the things that they use.

>> Harm nation? Yep, and you see that says. calm. So, calm is connected to 764. So, this this looks like, okay, that. looks like a younger girl. Join this. friendly server for, you know, to help. you through your depression. Another one, Outpatient Wellness Center. Um and then the description kind of. gives away what it is. No child porn, no. gore, leaking, no drugs, guns, or. nudity. You mean, you shouldn't have to. be specifying that in a outpatient. wellness group. Um. And this is uh.

there was a a girl who um did something. horrible to herself as well who was. interested in gore sites, and she was a. you know, she. you know, she wasn't looking she wasn't. supposed to be looking at this type of. stuff online, but she was interested in. the edgy stuff, if that makes sense. And. and that's what this is here. So, it. says, "Join if you are any of the. following: mentally ill, fatherless, daddy issues, schizo, borderline. personality disorder, or femcel, which. means you act a little feminine as a. guy." Um and then this is a direct. invitation to. you know, just these groups where you're.

going to be lured. and and then eventually extorted. Um and then here. turns into the grooming stage, which you. know, there's an entire checklist here. They There's so many of these like. 220-page documents on how like and I'll. skip through this, but. it's saying, you know, that uh. that you can find victims on games like. Roblox or on social media platforms like. X, formerly known as Twitter, Reddit, and Instagram. Once you found your.

victim, you have to spend a lot of time. on her, make her think you can relate to. a lot of stuff, and play games with her, call her cute nicknames when. uh when you've talked for a little while. like princess, darling, honey, etc. This. will make her more attached to you. because females love being called. nicknames. Once you've talked for a. while, you're going to ask her to be. your girlfriend, which she most likely's. going to say yes to. Now that she's. under your control, you may start asking. her for stuff like nudes, personal. information. Um. she doesn't do self If she doesn't do. self-harm already, then you must extort.

your victim. But if she does, she will. almost guaranteed cut for needs when. you've done all of this. So, there's like, you know, guide after. guide after guide uh and then them. literally grooming children in these. chat logs here, which I'll skip over cuz. there's just so much to read. Um. you know, pretending to be nice and how. much they love them, "Please call me. back. I love you. I'll do anything.". Um. And then this is where things get a. little more graphic.

Uh so, the extortion steps uh. are they also skip through this as well. Um, just to start off for you to be able. to extort, you must also have the. ability to groom. Without grooming, you. won't get any information or any news, and if you groomed your victim, you. pretty much have control of her. To. extort a female properly, you must have. the following: personal information, addresses, name, phone numbers, and. nudes. And once you have this stuff, you. may start threatening your victim with, for example, sending her nudes to her. parents, swatting, which I'm sure you're.

familiar with swatting, and leaking. personal information, etc. She doesn't. do as you say, if she doesn't do as you. say, examples, make a blood sign, which. means like cut yourself and write on the. walls, which I'll show you in a second. here. Uh, make a cut sign, which is cutting. usernames into their body. Um, kill your cat, kill yourself, and at the. end, if you've done everything. correctly, you should have gotten. exactly what you want to. Remember, never say content is content because no. one wants to see some S-word cat.

scratches, which means like not cutting. yourself deep enough. To be honest with. you, that is nothing. That is that is. not even 10% of how bad this gets. And, uh, you know, I just I know that. people that are watching this are not. going to see these videos and pictures. >> I hope not. >> Yeah. Because that's so upsetting that. and. and this whole conversation came about. because I was down, uh, at Shawn Ryan's. place in Tennessee, and uh, he was. overwhelmed.

And really wounded for real. This, man, was an ABC, seen a lot. And this just. undid him for a time, and I can see why. Um, I just feel like the only way that. that's ever going to get fixed is not. through law enforcement, uh, federal law. enforcement, um, but through like Christian religious. revival. I mean, only only. an atheist country could have stuff like. that. >> It's unbelievable. It's sad, and I agree. with you and and I I believe in God. I I.

I think that you know, that the these. people are the definition of evil. I. can't find any other. any other justification of why this. stuff even happens outside of evil. It. does make you reassess the satanic. uh. sacrifice panic of the 1980s. We were. told Dorothy Rabinowitz of the of the. Wall Street Journal told us it was a. panic and. I believed her. There were a bunch of arrests in the. '80s of these satanic cult rings that.

were abusing children and there was a. lot of evidence it was real. But then there was some evidence that it. wasn't real and like I didn't know what. to think and then I remember thinking at. the time, this is in the early '90s like. there's no way that could actually. happen. They're not organized satanic. groups sacrificing animals, harming. children, killing children, holding black masses. Like this is. America, man. It's weird. It's very But. it's clearly true. It's clearly true and. and I and Tucker, I haven't. like you don't want to see it, but you.

know, I I can show you these people in. the masses masses. There are these. groups are not like five people in them. There's mass quantities of people in. these groups that are doing this this. you know, that are participating in this. behavior. as well as as well as trying to join. these groups. They require proof of. crime is what they call. So like if you. want to be a part of a specific group, you have to prove that you have victims, whether that be digital victims that. were sex torted or maybe you went out. and and murdered a homeless person which.

is I have a couple videos of homeless. people being murdered. and you know, one that that will never. leave my brain is that is. I just brought up the old woman. He's on a call with with somebody from. the group. He he he kicks her down the. steps and. you know, and he starts just beating on. her and then he he slits her throat, you. know, and and you watch this and he's. doing this live with somebody on a phone. call laughing. And um and then you see him running. through a field with a knife that has.

blood all over it and and it was just a. senseless act of violence for for evil. I mean, it's just evil. And it. infuriates me so much to the point and. and upsets me, of course, and that's why. I talked about in the beginning the. compartmentalization. If I wasn't able to turn this off, I. won't be able to function. I I can't, you know, I and I'm not heartless. I. don't I do have a soul and and I go to. church twice a week and and and I pray. to God that this stuff go, you know, not. just this, but any type of child crime. um just disappears. I know it's not. realistic. I know that evil.

powers this country and I I know that. that Satan is a prince of the air as was. said in the Bible. I know these things, but but you know, I I have to understand. that my spot is to use my voice, use my. experience, use my time to educate as. many people as I possibly can about. these problems because. unfortunately, you know, one in four. girls are are hurt, you know, sexually. as children. One in 20 boys are and that. number, what does that number end up. being in the future? Especially if these.

victims, you know, not not all of them, but a large number of them reoffend in. their lifetime. What what happens in the. next generation? Is it going to be one. in two girls and one in 10 boys and. where does this end? So so I pray that. that this that this ends and and that. parents actually open up and they. realize that these devices, like you. hand your kid a phone, an iPad, a. computer, a gaming console because, you. know, it's it's almost like a babysitter. to them. Um when I was a child, which. was only between 20 something years ago, my mom gave me a prepaid phone that I.

had to top up with minutes, you know, and I'm sure people can relate to that. If she said, "Give me that phone." I. wouldn't have cared. But these kids, that's their connection to the world. That's like trying to That's like. cutting off one of their hands, you. know, that these phones are their. connection to people and if they're. scared to come to you about something. like what I just showed you uh or. somebody that's extorting them or. grooming them or they don't know what. grooming is and they can't they can't. determine that they're being groomed. having these conversations with your. kids and knowing that they're going to.

come to you if something like this. happens even if it is embarrassing to. them. could potentially save their life you. know and uh. and that that that's why I'm doing what. I'm doing I'm not doing it because I. enjoy looking at children cutting their. wrists. >> it's so bad it's so bad for anyone to. see those images and I feel sorry for. you and I know a. you know a lot of people have I've seen. some ugly things not that you know. nothing by comparison to an afternoon on. the internet though Yeah yeah the. internet's wild and and what the reason. why I. >> any effort at all to there's a lot of.

effort to police my political speech any. criticism of Benjamin Netanyahu is. instantly policed. but is there any effort real effort to. police this like So one thing going back. to Roblox is they they banned vigilantes. on their platform Schlep being one of. them So explain what that means So so a. vigilante is somebody that's taking the. law into their own hands and Schlep he. got I think it was six of them arrested. with mug shots from the Roblox platform. so he pretended to be a child on the.

platform waited for people to message. him. you know but even as a civilian. entrapment doesn't exist you have to be. law enforcement for it to be entrapment. but he pretended to be you know just a. like a law enforcement officer grown. adults messaged him he he got six. arrests in a short period of time and. then Roblox banned him from the platform. and sent him a cease and desist in the. mail Why because he's a vigilante on the. platform and they believe that that. causes more danger and they put this. ridiculous press release out that you. know people can look into.

um from there Schlep started to go. public he got. >> Roblox Um this guy I I forget the guy's. name I can bring it up if you want Um. it's a it's it's a publicly traded. company. um but the CEO's name is escaping me at. the moment. Um, I think I think it's whatever. Um, Sleightly though, is a younger kid and. he's been working with Chris Hansen on, you know, doing some awesome stuff and. he documentary and unfortunately he was. groomed on the platform as a child, which is what motivated him to be a. vigilante on the platform.

And um, you know, I. I think that. you know, I. I just can't comprehend why a platform. would uh, you know, why why a platform would ban. the people that are helping. make it cleaner, you know, even if it is. in a. >> Why do you think? What's the motivation. there? >> I have no idea. Did they reach out to. him and say thank you for what you've. done? No, they did the opposite. They. sent a cease and desist in the mail. So to his house, which is, you know, he. posted it on Twitter and.

>> Did he Did they allege he did something. wrong? They I I don't believe that I. think they just were saying that it was. a it was dangerous or like I'd have to. look at the press release for the exact. words. I don't want sue their Roblox. So. got to be careful with what I say here. Um, but uh, but you know, this is all. factual. I mean, he was they put out a a. press release that said it and they he. did get a cease and desist and they're. all of that stuff happened. Um, and from what I was told, they don't. allow law enforcement to conduct. investigations on their platform either. That doesn't mean the law enforcement.

doesn't, but they don't they don't allow. for it supposedly. So I don't understand. what they're they're. what they're angling or what they're. trying to do, posturing to do for other. words, but uh, it's weird. It's just a. strange thing. Well, if they're. punishing the guy who is trying to. punish the criminals, it's kind of like the defund the police. Like, okay, then whose side are you on? >> Yeah, well, let me show you what their. stock looks like now after you just, you. know, talking about that exact thing. Uh, I think that a lot of people are in.

agreement agreement with us. Like, why. would you Why would you do that? And. here's the 6 months. You can You can. look at this over you know it's split in. half. So I know that I mean I'm looking at the. top article here uh. understand understanding Roblox grooming. problem, you know? So for being the. largest children's game if the headline. article is their grooming problem then. maybe you should do something about it. or take bigger actions other than age. >> don't want to go to hell for eternity so. that's also a good motivator I think. I.

don't think many people in Silicon. Valley are worried about hell and they. should be. I agree with that. So it's a. it's it is what it is and. it's very sad for me and and I don't. want people to be you know the people. that don't know me at all and they're. watching me for the first time to think. that I'm just consuming myself with evil. for fun. That I do this and and I and. these are acting investigations as well. I'm showing you the stuff that's. publicly out there but like I'm you know. I'm still trying to get them arrested. I'm still actively assisting in the.

arrest of these individuals and more. Um. can't talk about those cases of course. but the but this public stuff. it's it's not fun for me. I I feel like. this is a purpose that was given to me. by God and. um. I I don't know how much you know about. my story if you if Shawn told you or I. told you. So I get a text message from. my friend's wife and um it had three. screenshots in it and at this time I had. no idea about child I mean obviously. knew predators and pedophiles. >> you doing for a living then? At that. time I owned a medical facility so for.

substance use and and and mental health. Yeah. They change it from abuse to use. so it's a weird thing. Um I get a text message from my friend's. wife and um. there was three different screenshots of. this horrible website that was on the. clear web that anyone could visit. This. is like not the quote unquote dark web. that people talk about um. that that's really just that it's called. Tor the onion router. Um on the clear. web anyone can see this website and one. of these three photos was a picture of a. child that was sitting in a bathtub. You.

could see their back like you could tell. that they were nude, but you could just. see their back. And the title of the. forum post said, um they have no idea. what's going to happen to them tonight. And underneath of it, all of these. people were talk were talking about what. they were going to do to this person's. child. So, this isn't my first time ever. seeing anything like this. And I I'm I. you know, I'm like disgusted to on a. level that I've never felt before. So, I. leave where I'm at. I physically left. the location of where I was at because, you know, I I I just had this switch.

flip in my brain that I didn't know I. had. I don't have children. I wasn't. abused as a child, like you know, like. like I. I it's had to have been a god thing for. me. So, I go home with the intention on. of of trying to probe around this. website and and take it down. Which. without all the technical. details for the nerds that are. listening, um like I was going to do a. distributed denial of service attack. Just keep the site shut down. Like it. would have been impossible to load the. site. Which is a very simple, easy. attack to do. It sounds crazy, but it's. a very easy one. But, I got lucky,

uh if you want to say lucky. I got lucky. that they used a forum called ZenForo, and they used a they used a theme that. happened to be nulled, meaning they. didn't pay for access to use this theme. And that theme gave me access to their. their entire server, which included. their entire database. So, now this. website that. is absolutely terrible, that's that. children are on selling themselves, that. people are on looking for that type of. material and chatting about it in an on. an open forum that anyone can read. Um I.

now have full access to their entire. site to to download anything I want and. to try to uncover who who's running it. So, I I I started to have a little bit. of common sense that cuz I I got an. adrenaline rush at this point when I. realized I have access to this. Um. that common sense started to kick in. If. you download all of this data, you're. going to be in possession of CSAM. And. and I didn't know what the term CSAM. back then. I just used the term child. porn. And um you know, I I don't like. the word child porn personally. I feel. like it implies consent, but the the I.

knew that if I downloaded this database, I cannot include images, uh, videos, any. attachments, because when I go to. deliver this to law enforcement, I don't want to get wrapped up in. anything like that. The last thing I. need is somebody Google searching Ryan. Montgomery and then something like that. horrible comes up, you know? So, I. thought about that even back then, and um, I I wrote a script to extract the. database, and the first user that was. and and exclude all that stuff. The.

first user in that database was a. politician in Virginia named Nathan. Larson. And uh, and he's a little bit of. a wack job politician, but he was, you. know, running for Congress. Uh, the guy. >> He's a libertarian. Uh, I believe so. I believe so. Um, he. uh, yeah, so so Nathan Larson was. running this website. Never heard of him. before at that time. And uh, I start to, you know, export the. database. There are 7,000 total people. in this database across four different. backups that were on the server. It was.

just a combination of a ton of users. So, this is my this is my beginning. Like my. I I go from not knowing anything about. this at all to now I got a database of. 7,000 pedophiles, and I want to do. something with it. So, I reach out to. um, the my attorney first actually, I. believe it was, but I reached out to him. who who reached out to the the task. force in the local like the Palm Beach. County task force, I think it was, or. Broward one or the other. Um, and then IC3.gov, uh, National. Center for Missing and uh,

Nick Mick, National Center for Missing. and Exploited Children, um, and then 11 different media. stations, because there was a 6-month. gap in between law enforcement not ever. showing up at my door like I thought. they were going to, and then I was like, okay, well, then I'm just bringing this. to the media, because I feel like they. may take action if I uh, you know, go to. the media. So, I um, I read I I spoke to to all both all. sides, left, right, middle, you know, whatever. Um politics really isn't my. thing. So, I spoke to all and any.

reporter that would take the time to. talk to me. Every single one of them was. interested in running the story. They. Not one of them was saying like, you. know, we're we don't want to take this. story. Um they all came back with almost. an identical answer that their legal. team was not willing to run it for. liability reasons, for legal reasons, how the data was obtained. So, my. rebuttal to that was um you know, just. run it without my name. Run it without. any of the illegally quote-unquote. obtained material. Just let people know. that this website exists, that there's. children on here that are selling their. body. All you know, let them let parents.

know that this is happening. Not one of. them run run the story. So, I'm very. aggravated at this point that nobody. wants to run anything. Six months goes by. Nathan Larson's in. my Google alerts, I get a notification. Nathan Larson's arrested with a. 13-year-old girl in Denver, Colorado. that he kidnapped and raped. And um. I was so aggravated because every one of. those articles, I know that could have. been prevented if they listened to me in. the first place. There's 7,000 other. people in this database that have.

nothing has happened to it this point. Um and I didn't want to just leak it to. the internet because if I leaked it to. the internet and there were parent. concerned parents on there, which it. would have been hard for that to happen. cuz the application process to become a. user, you have to answer some wild. questions. But even undercovers, like I. didn't want to leak the database and it. potentially do what like Ashley Madison. did, you know, right? Like uh people. killed themselves over that leak. Um. so uh you know, I I I'm waiting all this. time. No law enforcement's not helping, media's not helping. Nathan gets.

arrested with this little girl and they. don't include the website at all in any. articles. Like they talk about him being. a a person that ran for Congress. You've. seen like you you know, you've heard the. story, but you probably haven't heard. about the websites that he was running. And um you you 7,000 people is you know, it's not a crazy number, but it's a lot. of pedophiles in one spot. And if I got. all of their email addresses and all. their usernames and all their private. messages and everything you need, I don't know why. this wouldn't be a case on a on a golden.

platter or silver platter for for law. enforcement. So, I was very angry at. that point and the only thing that I. could think to do, cuz I didn't have the. network I have now, you know, I I'm just. a computer hacker that owns healthcare. facilities and I'm kind of saying in the. dark. So, I was like, you know, I see these. vigilante predator groups on YouTube and. at that time it wasn't like they are. now. There's a ton of them that exist. now, where they go out, they they have. decoys, they pretend they're kids, and. then they go out and and confront them. one by one. And um.

I saw back then there were there were. only like, you know, a few of them on on. YouTube, not not a ton. So, I asked them. um. cuz one I'm sorry, I'm going to skip a. little bit ahead here. So, those groups. that were there, uh I noticed that in the videos where. they're confronting these predators, where they believe they're meeting up. with a real child and then they get. confronted by an adult, similar to how. Chris Hansen was doing it with law. enforcement, they were just doing it. without law enforcement. They wouldn't. know the person's name a lot of these. groups or where they worked or what. their wife's name was or what kind of. car they drove or any details about. them. They would just show up. So, I was.

like, okay, that's where my value could. come in. I can I can identify these. people and and I. you know, there's a better chance of. this guy staying if you know where he. works, if you know what he does and all. of his personal details. He's got a. better chance of not just turning around. and getting back in his car and driving. away. So, I reached out to these. channels. I offered, you know, to get to. provide them with a full case file on. anyone that they send, you know, identifiers to. And uh. a few of them accepted and for a couple. years I I did that. So, I was I was.

helping these channels anonymously. I. wasn't putting my name out there. I. wasn't asking for any money. I just. wanted to help and that's what made me. feel better about nothing happening in. the first place with this one website. with the politician. Then skip, you know, skip those 2 years. of me doing that. Uh a friend of mine, uh professional MMA fighter, we start a and there's a reason why I. say that. He's professional MMA fighter. um and we're sitting in a garage. I'm. telling him this exact story. I pop open. a chat room. I show him, you know, that.

how bad this problem is. Again, demonstrating that it can happen. anywhere, anytime. Unfortunately, zero. effort required. Um and he is more than. willing to start a group with me uh to. catch these guys in our local area and. in Delray Beach, Florida. So, it was called and he's still running it. It's called 561 PC. And um. once he starts doing that and he's got a. little bit of a social media following. and people start watching, you know, us. catch predators. I'm behind the camera. uh and he's, you know, the face of it.

reading the chat logs to these predators. one by one. Um. couple of the podcast that focus on MMA. wanted to talk to him. And uh. and ask him, you know, about catch a. predators. He brought me along on these. podcasts and one of them asked me the. question, how did you get started? So, that question right there is what. changed the complete trajectory of my. life. Like, we wouldn't be sitting here. right now if that question wasn't asked. And, you know, like the butterfly effect. type of situation. But, um. they asked that question. I explained.

that there's this case. I still had all. that data. Still nothing done with it. legally. I just have this database of. all these people. Nothing done. And from there I have all kinds of media. reaching out the next day cuz the a clip. from that podcast got 10 million views. in less than 24 hours on a on a smaller. podcast. I wake up and my inbox is full. My phone's getting phone calls, getting. emails. And everybody wants to hear the. story. Nobody wanted to listen to me the. day before, but now they want to hear it. because it went viral on social media. And one of those people was Shawn Ryan.

Shawn Ryan is and I didn't know Shawn at. this time. We never even spoke to each. other. And but he saw my clip and he was. like, "I want to get your message out. there." And he took a huge chance on me. cuz I could have been lying, I could. have been a nut job, a schizophrenic, I. might have been making this whole story. up. But Shawn took me, you know, took. the chance on me of not only that it was. truthful, but the chance of releasing. that type of content with screenshots. and and chat logs and all this stuff on.

YouTube with the chance that he might. lose his channel. So, I go in there in. the Shawn Ryan Show and I'm wearing. like, you know, a t-shirt. I I I say. this a lot, but like I'm wearing an. oversized t-shirt, paler than I am now, I'm skinny, I. you know, I'm I'm hesitating on my. words, I I got lights in my face, I. probably drank eight bottles of water, I'm so nervous, you know, and uh not not. because of you know, talking about the. what I wanted to get out there, I just. not used to being on a podcast, you. know, what it just wasn't my thing. And.

I I finished it up after we talked about. gadgets, which you know, we'll we'll get. into. I want to show you some fun happy. stuff in a minute, but um you know, I. start doing that and then I get into. this stuff. and and I walk out of the studio and I. ask Shawn, I'm like, "Hey man, how do. you think that went? Be honest with me. cuz I I really felt like I messed it. up." And he was like, "Yeah man, I think. it went pretty well." And and him and I. both didn't think it was going to make. it 5 minutes on YouTube cuz they're. they're pretty strict sometimes when it. comes to when you show especially when. you show with that type of content. Um.

so we didn't think it was going to make. it more than 5 minutes and I was okay. with that. I was really like, "Okay, fine. At least I tried, I did everything. I possibly could.". Shawn sends me a text as soon as it's. released, pretty close to as soon as it. was released and and I'm sure you've. seen this, one of 10, meaning your video. is doing well. And I didn't know what it. meant. I just Shawn said that it was. doing well. It became his biggest. podcast that he's ever done, still. current day on Apple, Spotify, YouTube. combined, it's got hundreds of millions. of views, a total of with the shorts billions of. views. And uh and not saying this.

because I'm some no-noteworthy. individual that at the time that had. like a you know that would have brought. that type of traffic in. I think what. happened is people could resonate and. understand that this is not this is not. something that is uh an uncommon. problem. It's something that it's a. taboo topic that people don't talk about. until it happens or you know or happens. to someone around them or happens in. their family. And I'm showing the. significance of the problem, not just. with my words, but with factual. evidence, you know, and especially with. a live live demonstration of it.

happening on the podcast. Um. And uh you know, Shawn and I got very. close and uh and now I mean this is kind. of a my first time announcing this, but. like I'm I'm the godfather of Shawn's. child, you know, like him and I are very. close and and uh and that means a lot to. me. I mean that's a that's his firstborn. child and. I uh you know, I'm. and I don't want to go into detail about. his personal stuff, but that Shawn gave. me the okay to to say that and I uh you. know, I. I love the guy very much and he he took. a chance telling me that nobody else.

would, you know? And um there's a whole. other story with that you might be. interested in with Project Veritas. getting involved and them fumbling it. and you know, their interim CEO telling. me the story wasn't a tidal wave and. they threw it out, but the journalist at. Project Veritas tried very hard. They. They They did expose a few people in. that original database. Um they tried to. partner up with Shawn on the release of. it, but completely failed. >> Why do you think that Project Veritas. wouldn't run it? I think they're just were extremely. incompetent after James O'Keefe either.

left or was fired, whatever actually. happened there. No one really knows. except for him. Um and I I genuinely. don't I don't even know him personally, but they reached out. They said they. want to do it. The journalist spent a. ton of time uncovering these people and. showing up where they were at, recording. them undercover and and asking them, "Hey, what were you doing on this site?". And uh and why you know, "Did you say. this? Did you say that?" And they had. all this evidence, but since it didn't. make it into the New York Post or the. New York Times, they weren't willing. willing continue with the story and then. I looked into the.

you know I looked into the circulation. on those whatever one it was press or. the times or post or the times and the. circulation was like a tenth of what. social you know a small influencer on. social media would be getting in you. know that year. So it made no sense to. see the interim CEO her name is Hannah. Giles. I don't know if you're familiar. with her but she. okay so Hannah got gets on the phone. with me and says that this story is not. a tidal wave and it got completely shut. down. Their journalists on the other hand were. very upset about it they cuz they they.

really cared it was a passion project. for them. The the the management team they they. just threw it out but Shawn Ryan was the. one that pushed the story so far that. allowed me to get involved with federal. law enforcement to work with Saturna. Foundation to to deal you know now I've. been I've worked with every agency under. the sun you name the acronym it's I've. worked with them and uh. it's you know it's a blessing that I. never thought would ever happen for me. It's a very dark. path that I chose to take but but I. believe that I did it for the right.

reasons and I I I I told you I I pray I. pray to to God every single night that. if you don't want this in my life to. take it away from me you know and and it. just you know unfortunately keeps. getting worse. So you made reference. earlier to organized groups that are. behind. this almost inconceivable effort to make. children harm themselves. Um Satanist groups. what are those groups? So there's a few. of them that that I'm familiar with or. that I've seen I guess is a better way.

to put it and it just actually reminded. me of a conversation I want to show you. because a lot of it's senseless. So like. the like the it's all senseless but you. know even if they believe that what. they're doing is right. So the Order of. Nine Angles is one that I believe has. been around a long time. >> The Order of Nine Angles. >> O9A they go by. Um they they believe in. a thing called culling, which is like, you know, they believe that they get. power by harming other people. >> They do. Um, That's a real spiritual.

principle. That's what human sacrifice. That's what abortion is. That's what. human sacrifice is. Understood. >> That's what, you know, every ancient. religion was about that. Um, from the. Canaanites till present. Uh, yeah, that's like that is literally. devil worship. You get power from from. hurting others. >> they believe that. I mean, they they. openly talk about it. >> Mhm. And and use the words culling as. >> Culling? Culling, yeah. 09A 09A and then. I saw a reference recently to NLM, no. lives matter. Mhm. And um, and if you.

don't mind, I can pull it up. I want to. show you this conversation because the. guy is, you know, one of them is selling. tickets to his suicide. And another one. is he wanted to be murdered by, you. know, suicide by cop, but instead of. just letting it happen that way, he was. talking to one of these these cultists. and and he was deciding, you know, should he, you know, murder a. bunch of people on the way out and what. group is he going to do it for, you. know, like like just, you know, >> Right, you don't need to I mean, what.

we're watching is like, you know, a country that needs an. exorcism. It seriously does. And and. that that conversation, if you don't. want to see it, that's okay. It's a It's. It's a guy that is just he he's ready to. end his life. Like and I don't support. hurting yourself in any way, shape or. form. But if you're going to do that, don't bring other people out with you. The whole point of it is, I mean, suicide is an act of hostility. Anyone. who's been around it can affirm that. Um, so yeah. By the way, Jesus cast the demons, the legion of.

demons, out of the man into the herd of. pigs. What's the first thing they do? Kill themselves. Oh, yeah. So like I I. That's a good point. >> Yeah, no, it's it's so obviously, um, the product of. of [snorts]. possession. Uh, Order of Nine Angles, what does that. mean? Nine Angles? I I I genuinely don't know. >> But it's been around a while. >> a while, yeah. Yeah, I do know that. part. >> And these are groups that are just like. internet groups. Yeah, but I I think. Order of Nine Angles also has like.

physical members that are not just. internet. There's a combination between. them and like let's just say 764 instead. of because there's a ton of subgroups. that go underneath of it that do exactly. the same thing. Um they have connections. to these real life groups but like you. know that will go out and. you know protest something or go burn a. burn a building down or. Have you Have you ever heard of um like. you know I don't want to go off. completely off to a different topic here. but we we brought up swatting. temporarily. Um do you know what. swatting is? I do. Okay, so I've been.

swatted three times just talking about. these these things on online um by these. these guys. And uh you know telling. people that there's. there's a you know I got which I don't. even have a wife that my wife is tied to. a chair. I got bombs in the windows and. I'm going to kill any cop that comes in. the door. And you know I request these. 911 calls cuz I know the cops in the. area I could and you could do Freedom of. Information Act or just request it from. dispatch. And I hear it so I mean like. you know it doesn't sound anything like. me in any of these calls. Um but SWAT. teams are coming to my house and they.

want and now they got the last one they. called my phone in advance and told me. hey we got officers around the corner. like would you mind just coming out. front to make sure everything's all. good. And I'm out there with my coffee. cup and did a little 360 around and then. like you know they're they just are. trying to torture me and they they've. been harassing my family. They've you. know they've threatened my friends they. threatened my me with death threats they. they you know you name it they've done. it. >> What I find baffling is that you and I. are talking about these groups you're. naming them they've harmed you they.

clearly harmed or killed other people. What kind of effort is there at the FBI. to. to find these people and prosecute them? It's just it's it's not. it's I don't think that it's a lack of. passion. I think that, you know, HSI, for example, all they're focusing on. right now is immigration. Like people. are literally leaving their jobs because. all the like the actual from from what. I've been told, they are you know, they're not focusing on investigations, especially in child crimes, you know,

they're just focusing on immigration. FBI, on the other hand, I don't think the passion isn't there. I. think the problem is the resources and. the the skill set and the training that. that that doesn't exist. Um Well, if you. have an active Satanist groups trying to. kill people in your country, it seems. like that would be a priority. I mean, I. know it's not like January 6th level. priority, but like somewhere on the. list, you would have to want to address. that, right? Totally understand. And. they they are addressing it, but not not. in the not to the ability that I know.

that they could. Um so, you know, it. kind of segued into me coming up with an. idea because we send we set up a. foundation, we send people all over the. world. to train law enforcement on how to use. new tools and how to identify people, the same way that I identify you. Like. the first way, you know, the first first. 10 minutes of our our show. Um it. training law enforcement like how to do. those things so that they could go off. of an identifier like a username or a. profile photo or. um a phone number or whatever it may be. Let's say it's just a license plate. Or. or I I've even had one guy I remember.

the story, but he had a he was he was. like a plumber, you know, and you could. see the logo of the plumbing company and. a little portion of his face and I was. able to locate him just based on where. he worked. I didn't even know what city. or town that he lived in or name and I. went through the simple but effective. went through the Facebook comments of. that particular business. I did a. reverse image search, not face search, reverse image search of the logo for the. plumbing company, found their Facebook.

profile and then was able to locate him. based off of, you know, a little a. little portion of the picture that I. could identify him as. Took a lot of. legwork. There was no automation. There. was no. advanced technology there. But sometimes. open source intelligence is is is simple. and sometimes it's extremely advanced. And that's why. people like myself and other people that. are working in this space, you know, that if they if they're good with open. source intelligence, cuz it doesn't just. apply to child crimes, it applies to any. crime.

Identifying where somebody is out or. what they're doing or what something is. or details about a particular thing. should be a skill set of all law. enforcement, I believe. And we're doing. a great job at that with Sentinel, but. then with Pen Tester, we made a product called OSINT Pilot. that. you know, it's instead of training and. sending people all over the world and. country, they can just conversationally talk This. is only for law enforcement, by the way. This is not for consumers. The Pen. Tester product itself is for consumers, but OSINT Pilot, if you're law.

enforcement, reach out to us, we'll help. you out. There's no training required. So, you. type in a person, let's just say it was. that guy that had a a logo of a plumbing. company on his shirt and his face wasn't. really that visible and there wasn't. much to go off of, our tool will take. that image, it will take the. description, it'll search, you know, search everything you would do by hand. We have over 40 tools implemented into. it and about 10 minutes later you'll. have a 30 or 40 page report on that. individual if it was something it was.

able to find. Obviously, the more. identifiers you add, the more effective. it's going to be, but but we made. something that's never been done before. And it requires no training. Like you. said, you don't have a computer, you've. never used a computer, I guarantee you. that if I said, "Hey, find, you know, John Doe, here's your identifier that. you have, the last four digits of his. phone number and you know he lives in. this city and his, you know, first name. and you know, the last initial.". That tool will find him. And. and even if you didn't know to put that.

information in, our tool will tell you, you know, it'll tell you what to provide. it. So, it's something that we we built, we're super proud of it, and um. it's uh you know, that that's that's. what I believe the FBI should be doing, HSI, everybody should be reaching out to. not only myself, but anybody that's. willing to provide these OSINT. resources, or because it can get deeper. than that. OSINT, SIGINT, HUMINT, there's all these different types of. intelligence that you know, more people. out there than myself are doing.

But, you know, just my opinion. Yeah, it just seems like an emergency if. you have. uh you know, Satanist groups working to. kill Americans and their children, I don't know, I mean, I know, you know, they're not Iranian, but that would seem. like something we should be really. working to end. >> be a. a computer nerd like myself digging. through these chat rooms or or setting. up a foundation. We should be working in. in a lot of times we're working in.

tandem with federal law enforcement, like with with all of these cases, but. when it comes to the the mask, you're. absolutely right. It's not it's not. being prioritized in the way that we're. prioritizing it. Yeah. I mean, it's everything that will. destroy you and your family. What is that box. of gadgets right there? I got a lot of. gadgets for you, and I think that you're. going to like them. So, we let's see how we can skip to some. better better happy happy happy happy. happy happy happy happy happy happy. happy happy happy happy happy happy. happy happy happy happy happy happy. happy happy happy happy happy happy. happy happy happy happy happy happy. happy happy happy happy happy happy. happy happy happy happy happy happy. happy happy happy happy happy happy. happy happy happy happy happy happy.

>> I almost messed with you, and I don't. want to give away where we're at right. now, but downstairs is a very unique. place, right? And um there's a lamp that. happened to be sitting there. I don't. know, you know, you probably don't even know it's there, but to the left of the couch is a lamp. sitting there. And then. this. right here, my friend, uh his name's. Peaks. He took a regular bulb off of Amazon, it's called uh Wyze, like and he made it. a bunch of different ones. So, like you. could buy this smart bulb on Amazon and.

make it change colors. Essentially, is. all that it does. He he put modified. software or firmware onto this bulb. And. I can match the colors of your other. bulbs. Let's say I was in your bathroom. going to you know using it, swapped out. a bulb and left your office. Now I have. a an implant that I can monitor your. your Wi-Fi or or try to pivot from this. device to your other devices and take. over your computers in you know in your. house or your office. Um and you know I. could show you if you had a lamp I could.

show you but you know Well, tell me what. it does. So, I leave that in your house. and then I get to do what? So, you leave this in in a house for. example, the goal would be to access. your your your network. So, I would. knock your devices offline with it. It. has the ability to do that. Um which you. know I it's called a deauthentication. attack and then from there you capture. what's called a handshake. And then I. can try to crack your Wi-Fi password. from that handshake. Once I have that, now this light bulb is on your network. with the rest of your computers. And um.

you know, from from there I could try to. pivot from the bulb onto your computers. with your sensitive information and and. files and you know anything or I could. start to reroute your traffic with it's. called DNS. to phishing pages and try to steal. credentials. I mean this light bulb. could could be you know how a router is. connected to the internet? >> Yes. >> I could trick your computer into. believing that this light bulb is the. router. So, I have the way I'm routing. the internet through the bulb. It can do a lot more than that. I'm just. trying to simplify it a little bit.

>> And I can communicate with that light. bulb from afar. Um and and this this. bulb no, I have to you have to be within. Wi-Fi range. Yeah. There are other. devices that are implants that you could. at a distance with SIM cards or other. means. Or if they're plugged directly. into the back of a computer you know, like I do have one of those in my bag. that you would never know. You would. never unplug it cuz it looks So it's. it's supposed to be there. That one. connects, you know, I could be in. Guatemala and I could have complete. control over that device from Guatemala. Um Wow. Yeah, so that that's that's the.

the hacker's nightlight. I thought that. was kind of a cool, you know. >> That is cool. And you know, think of it. like this. Like these are that's this is. a real brand. This is not something that. he like paid to prototype. He hacked the. bulb itself. And um. it you know, imagine a company like this. either getting hacked like compromised. or like a lot of these come from China. So, let's say a Chinese. company goes rogue, which I don't think. it's too crazy to think about modern. day, and um. sends out custom firmware for these. bulbs that does something malicious on.

your home network. You know, what if it. gains access to your computer or to your. Amazon Alexa or whatever it may be, and. now they're listening to you in your. house or they're they're you know, just. trying to steal your passwords and doing. whatever they're doing. They're. collecting data or intel, um which. there's so many examples of that. Here's. another one. Uh. So, same guy uh just buying smart, you know, I they're called Internet of Things or. smart home devices straight off the. internet. This is just a smart plug.

that looks I mean, you can look at it. There's nothing nothing special. Oh, sorry. What what makes it smart? It it. connects to Alexa and Wi-Fi, so you can. turn something on or off. It's just a simple gadget that you can. buy on Amazon. Okay. You know, and and let's say you. want. >> So, you you plug this in, plug the lamp. or whatever into this, and then rather. than actually just moving your fingers. and turning it off, you tell. some chick called Alexa to do it. >> Yeah, you tell Alexa. You say, "Hey, turn the lamp on." And she turns the. lamp on.

That is essentially the same as the. light bulb. So, that will monitor you. know, the network and and still work. just as as it does out of the factory. >> want to be judgy, but the idea of like. having Alexa in my house or anything. like this in my house is just bizarre to. me. Yeah. Why would you do that? So, I my personal reason uh is I can see. the traffic going in and out of my. house. I know that the microphone has to. be listening at all times to look to. listen for the word Alexa. Um I'm aware. of that, but I know that my. conversations, unless I say the word.

Alexa, are not being sent to Amazon. servers. So, I'm personally not scared. of it, but I do know that if. somebody really wanted to, they could. use those devices to listen or see. inside my house. That is a fact. Well, of course. >> Yeah. Even I know that. >> Yeah, of course. But I I'm okay with the. risk there personally, which brings me. to a topic that is a little bit more. scary. Okay. Um. so, you know, I don't know what your. setup is at home with cameras, with your. garage door, with your car, you know, if. you if. you know, but have you ever seen.

Have Have you ever seen anything like. this before? No. So, what this device. would do, and and the usage of it of it. is illegal. So, if I press that button, we're both committing a federal crime, you know. Not me, man. Yeah, we're not. pressing the button today. >> Okay. Unless you know, unless you want. to, but the This is called a jammer. So, what this does is it it it's going to. shut down every single cell phone in. this entire entire building, 70 m. Um. it's going to turn off GPS, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, all all of it. It's going to. jam all all signals that are important,

which means your wireless cameras are. not going to work, your Bluetooth, you. know, microphones, your your everything. You can't call 911. You have no way. unless you have a landline hidden around. here somewhere. The alarm system in this. place that likely has a cellular. connection can't contact. You might hear. the alarm going off, but nobody's. nobody's getting a notification that. you're being robbed or anything. This. device can cause a serious. problem in your life, especially with. the the video cameras and alarms and.

phones. Um. there is no solution for this problem, you know, and and it brings me How does. that work? So, what it does is like. imagine um a like. a way to put this into an analogy would. be okay, we're in a small room, right? And if I screamed at the top of my lungs. and then I told you to tell me a story. While I'm screaming, if somebody was. sitting over there, I'm I'm you know, they may not be able. to hear your story because I'm. screaming. That's what this is doing. It's screaming at the top of its lungs.

70 m and signals can't they're just so. garbled by the time they make it out of. that range that it that it you know, the. 70 m range, they don't work. So it's just immediately the second I. press on that button, everything goes. off. >> cancer risk from being near something. like that when it's on? I mean, it definitely puts a ton of EMFs. out, but I don't think much more than. your average radio. I mean, you're. you're surrounded. I could show you a. pretty wild example of that right now. without turning anything on. Uh, this is just Bluetooth alone. Check this.

out. I always show this to people that talk. about EMFs because I you know, you. cannot avoid them. Uh, here right here. I don't know if the guy Here, you can. just pass it to me cuz I Okay, there you. go. That Here's just the You can scroll. down. You see the colors there? Scroll. down on the colors. They're all the just They're just the. Bluetooth devices that are within 30 ft. of us. That's just Bluetooth. So, you know, imagine cellular. You got.

GPS, Wi-Fi, you got radio, you have like. you know, from CDMA, GSM, 4G, LTE. Literally all cellular signals, they're. all hitting us. So, if we got 50. Bluetooth devices in this building, which you know, or more. It might have. been more than 50 there. You're being All these signals are. passing through you regardless. The. ionizing radiation is the ones you. should worry about, like 5G and and. being close to a 5G tower. I believe. that those are dangerous, you know, especially at long-term exposure. Um,

but no matter how protected you are. unless you live in the middle of nowhere. with you know, no signal to anything. where you put your house in what's. called a Faraday cage. Like you you're. getting penetrated by these signals. whether you like it or not. What if you're sitting on an airplane. using Wi-Fi? Same exact thing. You're. even getting ultra ultraviolet because. you know, the higher you go up, the less. protection you have in the sky. >> get skin cancer. Yeah. >> Exactly. Exactly. So, yeah, I mean it's. something it's almost unavoidable in my. opinion. So, that jammer right there is.

commercially available? Yeah, so they're. illegal to buy. They're not illegal to. own, but they're illegal to use. So, of. course I found this on the highway on my. way here. Yeah. >> But uh If you wanted to buy one. illegally, where would you buy it? >> China. China is a primary, you know, place. selling them and a lot of the websites. are scams. So, luckily criminals that. want to buy them will likely get ripped. off. Um but you know, whoever bought. this and left it on the on the side of. the road um must have known the right.

person to buy it from. >> Does it work? Yeah, it does work, yeah. It definitely works and I've used it I'm. I've publicly used it. I know that it's. a crime, but I've used it in controlled. settings. But if I wanted to like stage a home. invasion, I'd turn that on first. Yeah, and I've shown examples on the on social. media with even smaller versions of. this, which I want to show you cuz it. relates to um. Iran and the drones and and I I want to. show you something interesting with. that. But I showed a device similar to. this that uh that disabled my doorbells.

and disabled everything um. by just you know, clicking a button. because it overwhelms that and when the. device doesn't have storage on it. itself, like a lot of these new cameras, they rely on the cloud. If they can't. connect to the cloud, then the storage, I'm sorry, then the then the footage. never existed. So, um the the repeat that you know, if you. have a cloud-based camera or wireless. camera, if it loses connection to the internet. or the cloud, the videos are gone. The. images are gone. There's no way to ever.

recover it. So, if somebody gets a hold. of a jammer or if you just happen to. lose internet, you have no cameras. anymore. You have no footage. You have. no, you know, you have no way to know. somebody's approaching your house or. where if you weren't home that somebody. entered your house. It's It's just as if. it didn't happen. So, using wired. cameras is a solution to that problem. Um. And that goes for, you know, I've shown. some examples on the news uh with the. with hacking garage doors and opening. cars and being able to duplicate key. fobs and, you know, capturing those.

signals out of the sky. Uh. you know, you would never know that. that's happening. So, your house and I. could go on a whole thing about safety. with your house, but one little advice. while while it's on my mind is if your. house is connected. I'm sorry, if your garage door is. connected to your house and there's a. door that enters your house from your. garage, treat that door like it's your front. door. Because I could be standing 100. ft, 200 ft away from your garage and. when you go and click that button in. your car to open the door, I can capture.

the signal for a very large number of. the manufacturers and I can forever gain. access to your garage door. Um and I've. demonstrated it over and over again in. in many different places. Uh you know, one of the largest streamers on the. internet, uh Adin Ross, um I I I hacked. his gate same way. I I have forever. access to Adin Ross's gate where he's. got millions of dollars worth of. merchandise, cars, and, you know, it's. all with a simple gadget. So, uh I I. want to show you that real quick.

Sorry, I don't want to cut you off. >> No, that's amazing. Thank you. So, just imagine um imagine that you're. sitting in a Walmart parking lot as a. criminal. You're a criminal and and. you're you're sitting in this parking. lot. So, uh I could be using a device like which. I'll explain what this is in a second, but um this device you could buy. It's. not going to do this out of the box. This is custom dark web firmware that's. bought from Russians that, you know, it's uh you know, right now $2,900 I. believe. We didn't pay for it. We.

like the people that that. gave it to me. hacked the hacked firmware. So, it's. like a double hack-ception. But, uh I I I got a hold of it that way. and um let me just so. grab this key fob. I'll show you. If there's battery in this key fob. Okay, three. >> Is that how people steal cars? Uh so, you can't steal a car with this, but you. can get in the back seat of a car with. this. You can.

So, you know, Okay, here we go. Um you you cannot steal a car with with. this. You can but you can completely. duplicate this key fob. So, I can pop. the trunk. I can and you know, enable. the alarm. I can lock and unlock. Uh. all it takes is me just pressing any. button on here. It doesn't matter which. button. So, uh can I show you Can I come over. there? Yeah. I still don't know how this. car works, so. So, you see how it's it's saying fixed scan. It's listening on this frequency here,

which usually key fobs are going to. operate in either 315 MHz or 433 MHz. Um if I have that running at all times. in a Walmart parking lot, like when I. hit the lock button, let's say. This is. the lock button. Every time I hit lock, a new one comes. up, as you see. So, let's say I save this. And if you look here, it says Kia. Hyundai, which is what this is right. here. Um and then if I just do. let's just say. So, button's not working.

All right, I'll just do 0 1. There we go. So, when I hit this, So, now I don't the key fob anymore. Imagine I have 10 people that's walking. out of Walmart. They all click their key. fob. Didn't matter what button they. pressed. They could have hit lock, unlock, whatever.

So, I hit this. That's lock. Unlock. See how it says open there? Trunk. And if you see here, every single time that I click the. button, you see that number at the end. is changing. 155, 1 1F7, 16E, 16 So, it's going in sync with the key fob. knowing what the next code is going to. be. And all I need to do now is walk around. the parking lot and start hitting the. lock and unlock button and look for what. car it was. So, I could, you know, let's say it's.

Christmas or it's there's a holiday or. let's say I'm a. a dangerous person. I could sit in the. back seat of someone's car, wait for. them to get in it, and make someone's. worst fear come true. That's amazing. So, you know, luckily, which I'll. explain this over here. Luckily, this is not something that's. easy to get your hands on right now. Um. you can buy one of these devices for 170. bucks, but it's not going to be much. more than, you know, like something that. could turn a TV on or off or like last.

night in in the place that that you guys. put me in. [clears throat] I I hacked. the uh. the the light in there. Like where I. could turn the light on and off and I. could, you know, change the the speed of. the fan in the room. Um you know, just just for fun, you. know, I I thought. as much content as I can get out here, I'm going to do it. So, so, you know, this device can do that. type of stuff that it but it isn't going. to open a garage door or hack a car. like, you know, like I just showed you. here. The the same method with a garage. door is is identical to what I just. showed you with this key fob.

So, my advice to everyone, and including. you, Tucker, is if your garage connects. to your house, deadbolt that thing like it's your front. door because. it just takes a sophisticated enough. criminal to jam signals. and uh and then, you know, open your. garage door and and enter your house, you know? So, I I'm sure you're a. believer in and protecting yourself with. firearms. That's the next step. You know, you take. technology out and then, you know, then. you have the hands-on and and what what.

your other solutions are, but Yeah, firearms are the only technology I. trust. I'm just being honest. >> They work well. They you know, they. they're better than 5G. They They make. bigger holes in you. >> striker-fire pistols. I'm a revolver. guy. That's how Well, you could put a. revolver right up against somebody. You. don't have to worry about that. >> Well, that's the only distance I I would. be effective with a revolver because. >> [laughter]. >> Well, that's why cops used them, right? Wasn't it? >> Well, they did use them, yeah. Then they. were talked into the striker-fire. pistols in the early '90s and accidental. shootings just went off the chart and.

you know, whatever. I've got a lot of. thoughts on ballistics, but uh yeah, no. But, the point is um you know, you don't. ever want to be in a position where you. have to harm somebody, of course. I'm. opposed to that. But, you can trust a. revolver, whereas you can't trust a. security system. What is that? So, this. is called a Nyan box, and this is a you. know, an interesting interesting. invention. So, uh friends of mine we there's this this. hacking conference in Vegas that happens. every year called Def Con, and it's the. largest one in the world. And 30,000 or.

so hackers go there from all over the. world. And. they they meet with each other. >> scene like at night at the hacker. conference? >> Oh my gosh, it's you you you could you. can envision it already. It's long hair, neck beards, and. and yeah, it's it smells bad, yeah. It's. a it's exactly what you think it is. And. there's furries there. You know what a. furry is? No. Furry? A furry. Yeah, yeah. Furries, you know, I got the Delco. accent. But, yeah, there's furries and. there you know, there's some normal. hackers out there. I like to consider.

myself a normal one. Maybe I'm not, but. there and then there's some real nut. jobs. >> Dude, you're at the high end of normal. Thank you. Thank you very much, sucker. Not a furry? No. Okay, good. So, I'm at Def Con and a non-furry comes. up to me and and shows me this this. thing and he was like, "Hey man, take. this. It's 3D printed." I don't know if. you you know what a 3D printer is. Of. course. It's this entire thing, even the. multiple colors, 3D printed. I was like. super impressed, especially with these. ears cuz they're so, you know, like they. feel like Well, I just broke it. But,

this side is strong. It was probably. already broken. Whatever the case is, it's strong, 3D printed. I was like, "Wow, that's impressive." That's what I. said to the guy. Um. and then uh. you know, I uh I I didn't really know. what he was giving me. I just put it. around my neck cuz it came on a you. know, on a lanyard. And I turn it on. later on and I see it's got all these. crazy features. Um and I'll show you. So, I'll read some of them so it makes. sense to you. There are So, it's Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, and other. And I start to go. through it and I'm like, "Wow, these. guys thought of like everything." Um.

One second. >> What does it do? So, I'm going to show. you. It's It does a lot and uh it's it's. jam-packed into this tiny device that. they put a couple different devices. inside of and then 3D printed around it. Um so, it's got a drone detector, a. drone spoofer, Flock camera. You know, are you familiar with Flock? >> No. Flock are these cameras that are. it's a you know, the United States, it's. a private company that's working with. law enforcement. >> Oh, of course. Yeah. >> And they're they're taking people's. license plates and they're you know,

they're storing this data that that is. invading, in my opinion, on everybody's. privacy. So, this is detecting Flock. cameras uh and Flock devices. Um there's. a device scout option on here that means. it can track to see what devices could. potentially be following or tracking. you. So, like if somebody was threw. threw a device in your car, this could. tell you, you know, that that that's happening. So, you you like without you having to. physically find it. Cuz things can only. track you in certain ways, whether it be. cellular, Bluetooth, Wi-Fi, like or some.

type of EMFs are going to be coming off. of that device. In this case, it's going. to be looking for Wi-Fi and Bluetooth. Um. but what I think you'd be most. interested in here is it can jam, so it. can do the the video cameras, remote. control cars, you know, yeah, you know, any type of signal, Wi-Fi, but not as effective as that. giant one I just pulled out. >> Yes. Um the drone detector and drone. spoofer is something that I think is. kind of interesting because this is a. consumer device. You could buy this from.

them. They're willing to buy it from. Sorry, they're willing to sell it to you. on their website. And the first thought. you probably are having is why would. they sell a device that can do these. things, you know, why because it can. cause damage, you know. It even has a. body cam detector for Axion, the the. brand police use for body cams. Like why. would somebody need something like this? Um and you know, the answer to it is. penetration testing goes good and bad, you know, like there's like we have a. company that people hire us to pretend. like we are the hackers. We find all the.

vulnerabilities before an actual. attacker does so that you can fix them. The point of this device is essentially. the same thing. You're treating it. you know, you're treating. the the the engagement as if it's a real. one. So. with the drone spoofer for example, which I I want to explain to you about. this this stuff cuz it's kind of wild. The drone spoofer a counter UAS company. reaches out to them. I don't know the. name of the company, but I could find. out for you. Um a counter UAS company. that is working overseas uh asked for.

them to use one of these for drone. spoofing. So counter UAS just means. unmanned aircraft system. Um. when a bunch of drones are incoming the. goal is to know that that's about to. happen. Um. if you're using a device even as small. as this, it overwhelmed their current. system to the point where they couldn't. determine whether it was real or fake. drones and it would be a you know, not a. good thing, but a great way to divert.

military cuz they're going to think we. have a thousand drones coming from the. north and here's the statuses of them. One's damaged, one's, you know, landing, one's going this you know, 20 miles an. hour, this one's going 5 miles an hour, this one's, you know, you can change the. statuses and make it appear like these. drones are doing all of these things. because of this technology that exist um. it's called uh. remote ID. And remote ID came into. effect in 2024 in consumer drones and it. required that.

every single drone that's purchased um. you know, obviously the government. drones could could differ, but uh the. any any drones purchased at March, I. believe, of 2024 has to transmit the. position of where the person is standing. the position of the drone, the speed, the altitude, um and the serial number. of the drone, which then could give you. the name of the person that registered. the drone in the first place. Um this. device can can determine that with any. drone that's flying around you. So, if. you have some guy flying around in your.

backyard with a drone you could go show. up at his house cuz you know exactly. where he's standing and you can get his. name if he registered it. Um and then as. as I said, for the spoofing side of. things, that could get really dangerous, especially. >> that mean, spoofing? You just did. creates the impression of something. that's not actually there? Exactly. So, on their on their UAS on their screen. where it would look like uh their. counter UAS system where it would look. like kind of like a radar, you know, with like dots, just imagine it being. overwhelmed with dots. And then they. don't know if it's real or not real.

They're they get geared up as if it is. real and then drones coming from a. different angle that are not detectable. at all, you know? So, you it's it's very. dangerous and and I don't know what the. solution to the problem is because, you. know, there's companies like Anduril out. there that are flying drones in with. fiber optic and optic cables that don't. even need radio. They have local AI on. them um. that uh that you know, is is making. decisions on what parts of tanks to to. hit to weaken them as has already been. hit by this one or they work the drones. work together.

You know, so I don't know exactly what. the the solution to this problem is, but. but I do believe that knowing that it. exists and researching some of this. technology especially for for our. country is important because drones but. it's not like these are a new thing. Like they were they were called. quadcopters when I was a kid and they. were hobbyist they were fun thing to do. And then as time went on people started. to weaponize them and now they're part. of war. And and something as simple as a 3D. printed box given at a hacking. convention can cause a big problem in.

our in the military. Well, yeah. And. they're not just part of war, they are. war. We're watching it today. What's. that device right there? It looks like a. transistor radio. So this is pretty much. is it's it's partially what it is. It's. a hack RF which is just a it's it does a. ton of things radio related only. Which you know, well not just radio. I guess also some. some other bands because it's. without going into a whole radio nerd. conversation. it's from. 1 MHz to 6 GHz. I don't know if you know.

how big of a range that is, but it's. huge. It's like the only device that I'm aware. of that can do anything like that. But. if you look in the receive, you'll see I. can look for airplanes, boats, I can even access the intercoms in a CVS. and Walgreens and. like that that thing is pretty pretty. wild. I could over some of the older. loudspeakers at fast food restaurants I. could talk to talk talk through them and. listen to them. You know, in the bars touch tunes.

>> to summarize. gives you a read out of all the radio. signals around you? Well, yeah. So it's. going to receive or transmit. So you. could you could either receive. everything around you or transmit at. a very large range. And that is pre-programmed with some. third-party firmware. It's called the. H4M or or. the Mayhem firmware. It allows you to do some wild things. like. harmless for example you're at a bar and. you see the TouchTunes machine that. people pay to play music on.

>> Yeah. That thing can take over the. TouchTunes, add credits to it, turn it off, change. the volume, change the song, you know, just you know, easy simple. things or it could be more malicious. where like I said hacking a garage door. or a car or. or so it So I just let me I just want to. end on a philosophical question for you. Sure. So you've just spent 2 hours. describing. like the darkest sides of consumer. technology. internet garage doors.

And I know that all of that technology. has brought I guess at least. theoretically brought great benefits to. humanity whatever you don't have to lift. up your own garage door. I have manual garage doors for whatever. it's worth. >> Do you really? Yes, I do. >> Wow. You're the first one I've ever met. Really? >> That's great. I'm glad. Yeah, I do. Yeah, lock them. Yeah. Um. or just live in a place with no crime. That's my my solution but um. all of that, you know, I can see the. upsides to all of that stuff but they've.

all all of those consumer technology. products have introduced like massive. vulnerabilities and. control. methods like they made us less free. also. >> Yeah, agreed. And. why didn't anyone mention that. along the way? Like I remember when they. were trying to sell us on like you know, the. dishwasher you can control with your. iPhone. >> And I was like I'm happy to do it by. hand. Yeah, yeah, I agree with that for. sure. Yeah, the internet of things like.

in the end are we going to look back on. this period and think. we were being softened up to like. surrender human autonomy to the machine? I think it's going to be worse than that. because of the AI. Yeah, I think because. AI and And we're we're trying to get. artificial general intelligence where AI. has consciousness and if we do achieve. that state at any point, But my question. is like how vulnerable is the average. homeowner. living as he does surrounded by all.

these electronic devices. >> Yeah. that ultimately he doesn't have. any control over but somebody else does. like it seems like we put ourselves in. quite a spot. So there yeah, we do and. and there is some some modern solutions. for modern problems, you know, and and. the more and the. >> I see the jammer and I just want to set. that off in my living room just to like. stop it all. Yeah, I'll buy one and. secretly use it. >> [laughter]. >> Against myself? >> Yeah, there you go. It's a it's a good. way to to make sure you're not getting. anything in or out. Yeah. But um you. know, same with these Faraday bags but.

like it stops it so your phone can't get. or receive text but like let's say. you're going to a country where you're. meeting or something and you don't want. anything to go in or out like you could. just bring something like this like like. without giving their company name. Oh, I. have a million of them. Yeah, okay. So. you know what they are. use them. anymore. Well, because I think it's. useless and I think my phone's already. controlled so it's like. >> Well, you've been hacked, you know, you. >> Many times. But to avoid being hacked, there's things you can do and and one. thing that in my experience cuz I do it. every day for a living is know what's.

out there on yourself, know what your. digital footprint is, check out. pentester. Sorry for being that guy, but. check out pentester cuz it's worth it. Throw in your email like you know, see what comes back. Um spend spend a. couple dollars to make sure that you're. you're protected. Remove as much. personal data about yourself as possible. so you don't have to worry about. somebody being able to find your address. or find your information online. And uh. and then take some of the stuff that I'm. showing you that these devices. as of right now criminals are not you.

know, as super sophisticated but they. these younger kids that they're growing. up around computers and they're going to. learn about this technology uh and and. this technology is only going to. advance. Just continue to keep yourself. in the loop and don't don't just be. stagnant and think that this is never. going to happen to you. Doesn't [clears throat] mean that it. will, but don't be naive, you know? >> Is there any device, electronic device. you would not bring inside your home? I mean, I would I I would personally, even if I didn't like the device, I. would put it on what's called a virtual.

LAN or similar to like a guest network, how it's like kind of segre- separated. Um, you know, I. I'm not super concerned about it. I even. have a vacuum in my house right now that. I know is sending data to a Chinese. cloud server. I made a video about it. and it went insane because, you know, it's China cloud server, people like. that. for whatever reason on the internet. And. I still have the thing plugged in. I. mean, I'm not worried about it because. it's segregated on my network and even. if the thing goes rogue, which it may, um, it can't access anything else.

because it's digitally locked in its. little sandbox. So, but so you're not afraid that at one. point the CCP is going to order it to. vacuum you? Yeah, it might get my little my my baby. pinky toe or something, but. that's about as bad as it can So, there's no device that you would be. personally afraid of having in your. home? Maybe your cell phone. Yeah, I don't. think you want my cell phone in your. house. >> No, I don't want that one in there. [laughter]. Literally. Ryan, thank you for all of. this. I'm going to be. thinking about it for the next week.

every the second I wake up in the. morning. That was really dark. I hope. somebody does something about those. >> groups. I am sorry and I'm working as. hard as I possibly can to do that. And I. And I appreciate you letting me share. that message on your platform because it. means the world to me, more than I can. even put in words. >> Thank you. Thank you for doing this. >> Thank you. >> [music].