Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong: You’re Being Lied to About Cancer, How It’s Caused, and How to Stop It

Doctor, thanks a lot for coming on. So you spent your life, you know, 50 years. working on. treatments for cancer. And when you started, it seemed like we were moving in. the West toward the elimination of. cancer. Smoking was a huge emphasis, get rid. of tobacco and cancer. rates will drop. Obviously smoking does cause cancer. and we got rid of it basically, but. cancer rates.

And that is a very. rarely remarked upon mystery that. really bothers me. Tell us since you, you know, you. made billions of dollars selling. your companies, but you're still. involved in medical research, which. I admire. Where are we now with cancer? What are you seeing in cancer. rates?

Well, what's really worrisome to me. now is not just the rate, but the population. in which it's increasing, i.e. the younger people. So we clearly see. an increase in. certain types of cancer like. pancreatic cancer, ovarian cancer, and we're seeing it, colon cancer, and we seeing it in younger. Just to set a baseline, what's the.

10-year survival rate for pancreatic. cancer? It's horrible. I think, you know, if you have. pancreatic cancer today, I don't think there is a 10 year. survival rate, so to speak. What there is, however, if have. patients who are what we call failed. all standard care, survival rate is in months. You measure it in two months. That's certainly my understanding, having watched a lot of people die. of it. So, advanced pancreatic cancer is a. death sentence. Where are you seeing it now?

Well, I got to tell you a. really concerning story. It's not only I'm seeing it now, I'm saying that in younger people. and for the first time in my. career, when I left. UCLA, I was doing all the. whipples, which is a surgery to. actually remove most of the. pancreas, a very big operation. You're a surgeon as well. I'm a surgeon. Yes. And I was also doing pancreast. transplants for type two diabetes. and islet cell transplants and. stem cell transplant. So I had this diverse activity as.

a UCLA system professor. But I never saw pancreatic. cancer in children. And the greatest. surprise to. me was a 13-year-old. with metastatic pancreatal cancer. that the family called us. And to me that was not only. devastating, it emphasized. the idea that we're seeing people. with higher incidence of. pancreatic cancer and younger.

Right now in our clinic we have. 45-year-old, 50-year old. What was sad about this young boy, by the time he came to see us, he had exhausted all the standards. of care, and he. came from Butler, Pennsylvania, and all the major medical. centers really had. exhausted their therapy. By the time we came to his body. was ridden, and he passed.

away. Seeing cancers now in younger. people and. almost a rise, almost like, I don't want to call. it a non-infectious pandemic, but. this is what I think is worrisome. in the world, not just in the United. States, but largely in the U.S. we're beginning to see this and it's. really worrisom. A non-infectious pandemic. of cancer, including deadly. cancers. Correct. Like pancreatic.

Um, in, in your career, which I think is about 50 years of. working on this, how many 13 year. old pancreatics cancer patients have. you seen? Never. I inquired around because it. bothered me so much now of. why this is happening. So Dr. Stephen Day was a. good friend who was trained. with me at UCLA when I was at UCLA. He's now at the Angeles Clinic and I. called him and he said, listen,

Patrick, I'm now seeing an. eight year old, a 10 year old and 11. year old with colon cancer. We've never seen colon cancer, we've never seen that. We're seeing now 30-year-old, 40-year old ladies, young ladies. with ovarian cancer. So this is a real phenomenon of. a rise of cancer in early. people, in young people and. really need to get to the bottom of. that. Do you notice a difference in.

the virility of the cancer, of the speed with which it moves? I'm getting reports that they've. even called it turbocharged. Yes, I heard that phrase. Right. I'm getting reports of that. now that people that have been in. remission before even are. now getting back the cancers. and very rapidly progressing. If you really think about what. the cause of cancer is, you know, and I did a piece with Sanjay. Gupta many, many years. ago on 60 Minutes.

And I said, you know the cause of. cancer it's its inability, it's not the rapidity of its growth, but its inability to die. And its inability to die. is because it. either hides from the cells that. matter, i.e. your natural killer cells, your T. cells. All, and this is what I'm. really worried about. Your body and the cancer has. found a way to suppress. your killer cells.

And once they do that, once they. activate what are called the. suppressor cells, and. you call yourself immunosuppressed, then I think you see this. rapid progression because it's. nothing stopping them. What could possibly be. causing this? Well, I think if you look back. of causes, you know, ironically, when I was doing at. UCLA, I was working on. pancreas transplant where I want to.

immunosuppress the patients. Yes, you have to. Yeah, because you prevent it. And then I was on cancer where I. don't want to emissor press. So I needed to understand. the body's mechanism and. we have a crazy, wonderfully exquisite balance in our. body. You have the ying and the yang of. the killer cells and. these things called natural killer. cells in T cells. Whose job is to kill anything that.

threatens the body? It's whose job is, to kill. quite right. Anything that threatens body, whether you, the body has infection. If you have TB, you have. HIV, if you have. hepatitis, you have. COVID, these cells. are there to recognize. these infected cells and kill it. As you and I are sitting here today, our stem cells are growing in. order to replenish parts of. your body or heart. If you didn't have that, you. wouldn't have a heart at the age of.

14. You need those stem cells. But mathematically, there are some cells that are. transformed and your body recognizes. that through these natural killer. cells and kills it. I call that nature's first. responder. Thank you. That's your mechanism, that's how. we are all protected and we are in. the state of equilibrium or balance. On the other hand, the moment either. the tumor finds a way to hide from. these cells or. your body's or.

the tumor causes these. cells to be suppressed. And that's why I call this. suppressor cells and there are. certain cells in your body call. T-reg cells or myelo-derived. suppressor cells. These are all technical. that when they get upregulated, you've lost your protection. And so the question then is, how do we understand this balance? How do we increase the killers and. how do you decrease the suppressors?

So that's been 50 years. of my challenge of, and how to expose the tumor. So on the one hand, you need to. expose the tumor because it. hides from the killers. And then you activate the killers, and the other hand, you have to. suppress the suppressor. So we truly playing a good game. of chess. And I think like a. Astrophysics, where you're looking. for God's particle, where all these. molecules are floating around, talking to each other, all the cells.

are floating round, talking to. other, and this dynamic interaction. And how do you understand all of. that? You know, one of the best, most fun lectures I gave, I gave a lot of lectures on this and. tried to be non-technical because. it's basic, what I call basic. immunology. And the problem with cancer is, it's been treated by oncologists and. not immunologists.

And immunologists don't see patients. because they look at basic. immunology. And then when you have infection and. you have virology, so this cross disciplines of. virologies, immunology, oncology, all these allergies, don't talk to. each other. So you're saying, just big picture. for non-specialists, of which I'm. of course one. You're saying that cancer is to some. extent a problem with your immune. system. It is everything about you immune. system So you've got all kinds of. defective cells that could become. cancer or cancer in your body at all.

times. At all times But your. body is zapping them. Correct. And that's the. fundamental balance of the human. body. Correct. And when that body gets out of. balance, when the. killer cells become suppressed. or That's effective. That's when you get cancer. Okay. So I'm sorry to interrupt. I just know it's, I love it because. That's the perfect interpretation. that I couldn't do. in a non-technical way, because I.

think that's, I get too nerdy, so I'm glad. Well, you are a doctor. So, but that's, I think is what's. happening in our body. We have these perturbations, but we're in equilibrium, and that's. a good thing. The moment you knock yourself out of. equilibrium, now what. could knock you out of the. equilibrium? And that's why when. Bobby Kennedy is talking about. and standing up about the toxins in.

our food, the toxins. and PFAS, the. processed food. and viral infections. And really what knocks you out of. balance basically is inflammation. If you have inflammation in your. body. There's this, now I'm going to get. nerdy again, these cells called. neutrophils that actually see. an infection and tries to kill it, which it does. But if there's persistent. information, these neutrophil.

actually flip into. a suppressor cell. people don't realize is. that we have the yin-yang in our. body that every cell has a. counter cell. And that's where I was about to go. there. I said the most fun. conversation I had where. I asked an. astrophysicist or physicist to give. a lecture is I. named this concept. of cancer a quantum. theory like a.

physicist. and that in our body we. have cells that can be. in two states. It can be a killer or. a suppressor. And like the Schrodinger's cat, it. could be alive or dead. And it depends what you do with it. And so I named this thing quantum. oncotherapeutics, just to be. controversial, so that. doctors could understand what I'm. talking about is that. we need to understand.

the fact that you. have a killer T cell. and you have a killer suppressor. cell. We have an M1 macrophage. that actually chomps things up and. M2 macrophages that blocks. that. You have an NK cell that kills. and NK cells that inhibits. And we need to have that balance. otherwise you'll get into autoimmune. disease. There's a thing called quantum. entanglement that is. the scat alive or the scot dead if. somebody interacts with.

that, and the person. that interacts with it is the. doctor. So you as a doctor could. either be. enlightened enough to activate just. the activators and suppress the. suppressors and. change the dynamic towards. the cure, but it's. very complex because it's now. quantum. All those changes are happening. in minutes in your body. These molecules,

like God's particle, where they're. colliding with each other and the. cells are colliding and interacting, happens within minutes. So you need to have a. theory of how. do you interact at that level. And in so doing, the first thing you. need to understand is how does. cancer happen? And then how does it grow? How do you stop it? This idea of a vaccine against a. vaccine.

Do you radiate that cancer? Do you remove that cancer, do you. remove the lymph nodes? Do you give chemotherapy? And crazy enough over the last 50. years, I figured out. that everything we're doing. The word wrong, because that's a. bad statement, a pejorative. statement, is not enlightened, or a better way to say it. Because everything we're doing is. tipping the scales towards the. suppressor cells. We're activating the suppressors. cells.

We're not activating the killing. cells. And we can go into this conversation. where I can explain that. So the key system, which. you just said, is cancer's all. about the immune system. So if you activate the. immunosuppressor system, you get more cancer. So then the fundamental root cause. is what's activating that immune. system on the other way. And that's inflammation. Something is suppressing people's. immune systems, including the poor. 13-year-old boy who died of. pancreatic cancer.

And the question is, what is that? And maybe there are a lot of causes, but we're not the first people. to notice there's been an increase. in scary cancers in. populations that didn't used to get. them. It's very obvious just from living. here. And a lot people have pointed to. both COVID, the virus and to. the mRNA COVID vaccines. as potential causes. Do you think that they're related? The best way for me to answer that. is to look at history. What we know about virally-induced.

cancers is well-established. We know that if you get hepatitis, you get liver cancer. Hepatitis is a virus infection. We know if you got human. papillomavirus, HPV, you get cervical cancer. Certain kinds of throat cancer are. caused by viruses as well, right? If you get itch. HIV, you get Kaposi's sarcoma. So we call that. oncogenic viruses in medical. terms, meaning viruses that are.

induced carcinogenic. And the fundamental basis for that. are threefold. The hallmarks of an oncogenic virus. is one, it must persist. And why? Because it continues to create. inflammation. And why with inflammation you get. suppression? because your body is. trying to suppress it. It must inhibit the thing called P53. that's in your body to try and. protect your body from not having. cancer. If it persists and causes.

inflammation and. inhibits P53, it begins to have the hallmarks. of an oncogenic virus. So then the question is, does. COVID, whether it come from. the vaccine, which is the spike. protein vaccine, or from the infection, which is. spike driven, that gets into every. cell of our body, because it. goes through the- Every cell of the. body? It goes wherever you have the. thing called the ACE2 receptor which. is in the blood vessels. So wherever you have a blood vessel. in your body,

it's where it's gonna go. And if it has an H2 receptor on that. blood vessel, that's where you can. go, because that's the purpose of. the spike protein, to penetrate, to hijack that H2 recipient, get. into their cells. So that's why it gets in the. pancreas. That's why you have brain. fog, because it disrupts. the blood vessels of the brain and. cause mitochondrial dysfunction. That's is why in the colon, which. has a high energy eye tract, is. a high H2-receptor. that's why pancreas is the receptor. where that's why you people have in.

the heart, you have dysfunction. You've seen young people have. sudden heart attacks all of a. sudden. You see young people with pancreatic. cancer all of sudden. You see with young people's colon. cancer all the sudden. So is it by. coincidence that. post COVID infection, post COVID vaccine, we've seen. all these events where we know. the spike protein goes there? I don't think so. I think it's not a coincidence.

So the question is, can we. prove, is this what I call long COVID. virus persisting? And the group at University of. California, San Francisco has. now definitively proven that and. published that in papers like. Nature. Can we also prove that once you have. that persistence of that virus, does. that COVID virus suppress. the natural killer cell? Does a natural killer cell actually. not only go to sleep? becomes a what-you-call-energic.

that's now been published. The natural killer cell has gone to. sleep. So by your. definition, we just solve the. mystery right there. I think so. I think this is a conversation I had. with the... Well, but wait, I mean, billions of people, literally. billions of had the COVID virus. Over a billion got the spike protein. vaccine. So that's like, we're talking like.

a huge percentage of the Earth's. population, unless. I'm missing something. Now you understand what keeps you. awake at night and. it's kept me awake at nights for two. years, two and a half years. And that's why I sort of abandoned. everything just to focus on. how do we clear the virus? Because the answer is to clear the. virus from the body. From the body, the answer's. to stop the inflammation. because it's chronic inflammation. Privacy should be a right for all. citizens in this country.

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in the human body? If not- So far we've found three. months. Is there any reason to believe it. will naturally go away? not if your body is. immunosuppressed. So it's a circle. You ask what causes cancer. because your body's immunosupressed. You have in your body nature's. compound. And if the tumor or the infection or. the inflammation suppresses. it, you have to.

find a way to reactivate it. and clear the virus. It's as simple as that. And that's the missing link that I. think. So it sounds like you're describing. what could be like the worst human. health crisis in history. I-I-I. I don't know how to say that without. saying it. It scares the pants off me because I. think what we. may be, I don'. think it's virus versus man now,

this is existential. I think when I. talk about the largest. non-infectious pandemic. that we're afraid of, this is it. Because While. there was an increase in cancer in. our country because of the idea. of the. toxins and everything else, this immunosuppression that has. occurred now globally, and more importantly, immunosupression tied to.

inflammation, chronic inflammation, which is asymptomatic in some times, and sometimes it's not. There's 15 million Americans with. long COVID, and. they're not psychiatric when. they have memory loss. They're not psychiatric when they. have instantaneous heart attacks. It's not psychiatric when you have. an eight year old, 10 year old colon. cancer, a 13 year. old pancreatic cancer.

Idea Wars is a solution. And this is what I certainly hope. so, because you spent your life. around scary diseases, like that's. been your life. And if you're scared, then that's, that's not a good sign. I think it's important for me. to have this conversation with you, not just that's why. Okay, I'll share with you a. conversation I had. I got invited by. the CEO of the Henry Jackson. Foundation to come to.

DC, I think. October, November last year during. the election phase, and just to have a conversation. about what I'm doing. And there. he brought the leader from. Walter Reed, the barter, the DOD. the NIH, the NID, all into that room, and it was just. me. And I said, it is time. It is time for me to reveal. to this learned group.

of leaders about. what I'm scared about. And I spent, I think it was three. hours, no slides, just me speaking alone on the stage, and all of them in the audience. When I first started the. conversation, the first sentence. was, I think COVID is. oncogenic. one of the members of the audience. said, that's nonsense. I said, okay, let me explain to you. what we've been doing in our. research. At the end of three hours, four. hours, he said, you've got to.

publish this. This is so important. And I said yes, we are processing the publication. And then what came out was this. paper that they biopsied. the colon of young people. temporarily when no COVID to. COVID. and showed the persistence of. replicating viruses in the. colon tissue two years out. Replicating COVID-19. Replicating code viruses. Replicating.

Asymptomatic replicating. in the tissue, meaning there's. inflammation. And when you have this inflammation, these neutrophils, now getting geeky. again, plasticize flip from. a protective neutrophil to a. suppressive neutrophile. It's called an N2. It's call a myelodirived suppressor. cell. That's an official name. So now you have suppression in your. body.

and no wonder that then converts. into colon cancer. But so is this true? Do you think for, I mean, have you. had COVID? Lucky man. Not lucky man, T cell. man. I have a T cell in my. body that protects. me from the nucleocapsid. Where do I get one? was held up by the FDA and. by Collins and Fauci.

You never got COVID because your. protectors cells were so strong? Not only a protector sells if I do. get COVID, the virus clears. You want to clear the virus. the hell out of my body. I just want to pause here. I know you're in the midst of a much. larger story, but this is something. I think everyone can understand. So I think I'm in good health. I am in very robust. Did you have COVID? I did. How many times? One. I never took the virus. I never.

Took the vaccine. Okay. Um, but I. got COVID knocked me right. on my butt. It was a. bad three days. I don't understand, you're older. than I am. How did you never get, I just wanna. get very specific, like, how did, I mean, everyone on. the planet got COVID. Okay, so let me let me give you some. idea. Okay. One, because we understand. the implications.

My wife, Dutchwood, also never. got COVID because of both of us. So this is this is their story. We, by that, unfortunately, I relate this, it's. a painful thing to me because I. relate it to Kobe's death. It was during Kobe's time when he. passed away. And at the funeral- Kobe Bryant, who you were close to. Correct, very close to, and at the at his. funeral, all the people in. the room, and.

it was, I think, November. And I turned to Gavin Newsom and I. said, Listen. this is one virus I'm worried about, because I was studying this virus, you know, I understand HPV very well. and I understand hepatitis. I said this is not a respiratory. virus, this is a dangerous virus. So I went back and I. shut down our organization. so that we could actually. do nothing else but COVID. My entire team of hundreds of. scientists on Zoom.

and everything else around the. world, I said, we must. go after this virus with. a vaccine that clears the. virus. And the only way to clear the virus. is to have what we call a T cell, an. NK cell, the cells that kills. cancer cells. And I wrote a paper with Carlos. Codona that says COVID's like cancer. and cancer's like COVID, meaning it's immune suppression that. causes its spread. And it's immunosuppression by the.

COVID virus that allows it to. persist. So... The only vaccine that's important. is a T cell vaccine. But that's why I'm telling you, virologists think about antibodies. versus cellular. therapy. It's foreign to them to. have a vaccine that stimulates T. cells. Why should I understand that. internally? It's a little weird since in 20. minutes you explained it to me, it's. not particularly high IQ, not a. scientist. I understand exactly what.

you're saying. Why isn't it obvious to. virologists, why isn't that like day one. lesson in virology school. that the T-cells, the cells that protect. you against all potential internal. harm, they're the key. because every vaccine so far is. antibody-based. Dogma. Dogma Blind. spots. Okay, now we're cooking with. guests. Now I understand what you're.

talking about. Dogma, blind spots, nicely put. Okay, I'm sorry, I keep stepping on. your story. So. No, no, you're not stepping. because you're allowing you actually. interpreting. It's pleasure to me because I don't. know what I'm saying. Sometimes whether it's going to be. so geeky, it gets lost. It's important for the audience for. you to interpret. This is what Sanjay did for me in. the 60 minutes. He was brilliant. And he spent two years with me, by. the way, doing a little 15. minute piece. Wow. Yeah. I would come to LA. We do this through the shoot, shoot,

shoot, and we just had breakfast. That's it. Okay, so you figure out. early, everyone's panicked about. COVID. Okay. But your position is they're. panicked for the wrong reasons. And actually, maybe they're not. quite as panicked as they should be. because this virus could. pave the way for cancer because it. will suppress the immune system of. the human body. So you, in November, you. said, when did you? Right, so by. March 2020, we. had the vaccine, March 2020.

Because I had built a full. GMP facility for. cancer using the same vaccine. that NCI had retested for. HPV and for colon cancer, I think we'll see. So I'd create this vaccine. in which we would. educate your body prior. to COVID. for the treatment of cancer to. educate the T-cells to recognize a. cancer cell to kill it. That's called a cancer vaccine, but. which by the way, is for the. only vaccine in clinical trials.

today to prevent cancer that. the NCI is running using our. technology. Is there any way you can. take the word vaccine out and call. it something else? I'm calling it. BioShield. Backseat just scared the crap out of. me at this point. No, because it's not a vaccine. in that general sense of an. antibody-based vaccine. It's your body's bioshield. So we'll announce it on the show. We're going to call this Project. Bioshield, which by the way, in. 2004, there was a Biosheild. Act for national preparedness. against radiation,

against a pandemic. of infectious diseases. So, we have. the worst thing that can happen. to you. is to have one dose. of radiation or wipe out your NK. cells and your T cells. That's how you die. Yes. That's why you get cancer. It zaps your immune system. It zps your immune systems. So we wanted to create a. bio shield. And the bio shield is to educate. your body to have these T cells.

called memory T cells that go and. hide in the bone marrow and come out. when they need it and. kill that cell so it. can never do damage. That's the concept. And it's not a foreign concept. We published it with the National. Cancer Institute. So by March, 2020, I took all. my resources. Thank God we had the resources. So that's the sort of gift. Was this your money? All my money. Okay, so I should just say, I alluded to it earlier, but you had.

a couple of companies making cancer. drugs. You owned all of them. I mean, you own, I think 100% of the. companies. You sold them for. $10 billion or something. So, but rather than buy a vineyard, you continued in your work. Is that a fair? You know, as I said to. you over breakfast, I had no idea. about stocks. So when the two companies were. bought, and they were bought for the. right reasons, the one company was. American Pharmaceutical Partners, and we were making literally close. to a million vials a day in the.

United States, manufacturing. of 150 different. SKUs for every part of the hospital, and was safe for heparin, so. Fresenius said, we want to buy you. We said, great. And then I developed. this molecule. that was feeding the tumor that. could actually activate the immune. system to activate the macrophages. called abraxane and Celgene. said we want to buy you I said great. and the purpose for my selling. them was not for the. money clearly it was for the money. but the purpose of the use of the. money to pursue this dream.

of this astrophysics to. find God's particle in your human. body to activate your immune system. that was the purpose of this money. and that's all I've done with the. money. I've spent about three. billion dollars of this money. I've not gotten one penny. from the government, not even one dime. You're the only one. And maybe that's the freedom and the. liberation allow me to say what I. can. Say no. Yes, that's right. So again, I keep pulling.

this away because there's a lot here. that's interesting, but how. did you not get COVID? Okay. So I recognized that, so Peter Marks and I had these. conversations. So he was the head of. CBER and I. was in pinging him with. the science because this is a. biologic. And I was saying to Peter, listen, Peter, I need to show you that.

we need to create a T cell vaccine. And he said, well, we don't do T. cell vaccines, everybody's doing the. other vaccines. Great, let's continue. The antibody vaccines. Antibody vaccines. And then he called me and he said, we're going to create warp speed and. he's a start trekking and I'm a. start trekking. I love warp speed. I said, okay, we've got to do this. in warp speed, absolutely. But the only way, Peter, you're. going do this and warp speed you. need, we need as country. to have NIH.

and BARDA fund a. trial where we take. macaque monkeys. We give them the vaccine and. everybody should throw their vaccine. in because I don't care whether it's. not mine or theirs, whoever's. vaccine, to clear the. virus. The only way to do this experiment, you give the monkeys the vaccine, it's under your control, you have a hundred monkeys, everybody gets a set of vaccines, and then you infect. the monkeys in the BSL-3.

facility with a high dose of COVID. And then you. see... in their lungs and the tissue. that there's no virus after seven. days. Absolutely. That was warp speed. So I was one of eight of. warp speed. Then I get a call, Patrick, you. de-warped. You are there. I said, test my vaccine anyway. They did a vaccine test at the NIH.

in Barder. It cleared the virus, as. I predicted. There was no virus in the lungs. after a big infection. So I said okay, I'm dewarped. And this was a. Francis Collins scheme. and Anthony Fauci scheme and. Monsi Slaoui scheme. And one day we'll talk about the. conversation I have with Monsiv. Slaoui and what I've learned about. Francis Collins in that.

event. And they were going to go after this. antibody vaccine which is this mRNA. vaccine with spike. And I said, this is too important. I told my people, we're going to. build our own vaccine with our own. money. I couldn't get enough material other. than to do one batch. and we're gonna do a phase one. trial. And we're going to inject. as many people that we can do in the. phase one trial. I'm one of them. I injected myself. And then, and we're going to measure.

and talk about, I don't want to talk about the. family and we going. to measure my own blood. I drew my own blood and. tested, and I have T cells. to, to nuclear capsid. and to spike. Which means if I were to get COVID. touch word, the T cells now are memory T cells. would clear the virus. So, we then... uh, tried.

because not for funding even, but for the plastic bags. that were now restricted. as you grow these things to. Pfizer and Moderna, all. the materials that you need in a. biologic facility. Got zero. I've only got one batch. So I'm going to South Africa. and inject these in patients with. HIV because that's the biggest test. you could have. You can generate T cells in the.

patients with the HIV. and do this phase two and phase. three trial in South Africa. So we did that. And then I called Peter and I said, Peter. I'm sorry, what were the results. like? T-cells. The people that, interestingly enough, It doesn't say, just so. you know, you have to differentiate.

does it actually prevent the. penetration of the virus versus. the load of the virus. versus a clearance of the viruses? These are three different things. We think it prevents the. penetration, but we don't know. because as soon as it does. penetrate, it would clear so you. wouldn't even know, or. the T cell vaccine. This is anecdotal, but. some of the people who got our T. cell vaccines, their family members. got COVID, they didn't get it.

obviously, the vaccine, and they. didn' get COVID for a time while. living with their family. The issue of clearing the virus in. transmission was the key. So an antibody vaccine. may reduce the. viral load and therefore reduce. death, which is a good thing that. President Trump did. But the next generation of. clearing the virus was what was. needed. And both should have been developed. simultaneously.

It wasn't. I'll share with you. To this day, it's a mystery to. me why. The opportunity to clear. the virus was actually known, I think, by Collins. and by Fauci, that it did not. clear the the virus. The spike vaccines. The spike vaccine. The Pfizer, Moderna. The antibody. vaccine does not, and to this day, does not clear of the virus.

That seems like a big deal. Well, just what we talked about, if. you don't clear the virus. and you have pieces of the. virus in there, especially spike, whether from the infection or from. the vaccine, and now. you get another infection, now the virus brings along. this nucleocapsid, now it reconjoins. and replicates again. in these, what you. call, privilege sites.

Two years later, so what we've seen, now we're back. to persistence that's. now published just months ago, and this is what I shared with NIH. secretly four months ago. And persistence, asymptomatic persistence but. with inflammation and. reduction of p53. and of suppression. are all the hallmarks and.

recipes for cancer. And coming back to your first. question is, why are we. seeing an increase in young people? I think all of the above. The toxins, the history, the red dye, the PFAS, the COVID. all of the both. Does both COVID and. the COVID vaccine lower. over time. the human immune system? The vaccine itself.

upregulates temporarily the. antibodies. But if the. spike protein breaks off. and. the RNA or DNA goes. into the cells, and whether from infection or the. vaccine, that's where the. controversy is, right? It could be both. And the vaccine doesn't clear. the virus. That's the key.

It doesn't. clear the. virus and that's why. we were told, of course, you take the virus and then you. can't get COVID or transmit it, but neither one turned out to be. true. Demonstrably untrue. Well, it was not only demonstrably. untrue, it was knowingly untrue. That's what's bad about. would seem like that's criminal, actually. I mean, if I tell you that, you know, this car gets. 40 miles to the gallon and instead.

it blows up, which you know. that's a crime. You can't sell anything under. false pretenses. That's a prime. I don't see how this is not a crime, but. Well, as you said over breakfast, it's not a conspiracy if it's. true. I believe you're writing a book with. that title. You probably have no idea where your. meat comes from. You probably should know. The likelihood is that the meat. you're eating passed through a. massive industrial processing plant, probably owned by a foreign. corporation.

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President Trump election. He offered me a position and. I turned it down because I said to. him, I really could help him from. outside in better than, and I had. too much to do. I really sure was working on this, thank God, working on potential. cure for cancer as well as clearing. the virus with COVID. This, what I call the missing link, which we can talk about, this. activator of the unnatural killer. cells, this bio shield.

and we have the spy shield now. So it was the right decision. for me not to go into government. during that time and to. stay out. This was 16, 17. Correct. But worse, I've since discovered, not by my inquiry, but it's been revealed to me, emails. about Francis Collins. and some politicians. work hard to prevent. me from even joining, becoming.

head of NIH. And I think that was the motivation. all the way downstream. that we asked, okay, so what. happened to this vaccine? So I called the FDA and. said, okay I can't do. a randomized placebo control trial. now because you got. Pfizer's Moderna vaccines. all over the place. So let me be the booster. And Peter Marks, to his credit, was. the one who said, absolutely.

Peter Markz, to this credit, was the. ones who says, I'm worried about. this COVID vaccine and this. long COVID. I want to study the effects of. this vaccine. Peter Markx would then say to me, Patrick, fine, go ahead. I injected the first three patients. as a booster. I get the call from the FDA. to say, you have. to stop. I said, why? To this day, they never explained to. me it wasn't Peter. It was people around Peter.

said, you must stop. So we stopped. And there was nothing more we could. do anyway because we didn't have any. of the resources, the money, the. supplies. complete a phase three. So the government has a monopoly on. some of the materials that you need. to do this kind of testing in a. biolab. Is that correct? Correct. But now we inter-Bidenian. So now we're in the Biden era. that said, I must stop. This is 2020 now. No, no, beyond, it.

was during the. Biden Era. And I think there. was, sadly, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but. now I've come to realize it truly. was a deep state inside. there that had a motivation. beyond, it's hard to say, it's the most. devastating to say beyond public. health. And, you know, I just tweeted. recently of how.

so few people could hurt so many, and that's why when. I tweeted about, finally, we have the right person in HHS with. Bobby Kennedy, we'll take this on. that we have doctors that will be. like Marty McCurry, I don't. know, but I do know he's. a surgeon who can understand. and touch and feel what it. means to be there. on behalf of the patient. And my support for that,

I think we have a chance now to. completely. turn this around in the next. few years. I think this last. election was in part about that. I think the national. realization that COVID was, there. was something very dark there. It wasn't just a virus that happened. upon us naturally that there. was a lot. of evil bound up in it. But just to back up a second, you. said you have learned from watching. COVID that a few people can. hurt so many. Who are those people?

I think the main culprit really. sitting there was Collins, Francis Collins, and he controlled. I had shared with President Trump. that Francis Collins should not be. the NH director. He offered me a job. Peter Thiel nominated me, and I've. since found emails of.

Francis Collins sending. an email to a politician that. alarm bells, alarm bells. Peter Thiels nominated Patrick. Soon-Shung. We have to find a way to. stop it. to this day, power, greed. political need. He did the same thing with Craig. Vento. I remember during Clinton's. time with the Human Genome Project, where Craig Venta invented the. sequencing machine for tens of.

millions of dollars and he was. spending billions of dollars doing. nothing but wanted the credit. I think what. happens to you when you get into. Washington, the ego, greed and power. changes. your mindset. So I can't give motivation. to that. All I can tell you is when. I saw that email, I was devastated. that somebody would actually go. to that extent and.

then send that same email to the. CEO of Bio, which is all Big Pharma. And that CEO of bio said, let's go to Google search. to find some dirt on him. Dirt on you? On me? To stop me from. being nominated. to be head of NIH or whatever. Let's Google him to stop him. Let's google to find some dirt, some bad stuff, negative. research, whatever they want to.

find. They probably couldn't find. any dirt on me, but that was. the interchange between them. On email. But the funny thing is you made a. product, and by the way, a. clarification of terms, my. understanding was a vaccine was. administered to a healthy person to. prevent him from getting the. disease. You're describing a product the one. that you made that you. can inject into an infected person. and it cures the infection. That sounds more like a conventional. medicine than a vaccine. It's a therapeutic.

So, you know, I use the word vaccine. because that's what they understood. Dogman terminology. Right. But you're giving this. to people who have COVID, who have. HIV. Well, I want to give it to people. who don't have COVID so they can. actually easily get COVID, but I. am now giving patients with HIV, I'm giving to people with HPV, I'm given people who. are getting cancer and have cancer. And more importantly, there's one in.

280 Americans, one in 270. Americans have this thing called. Lynch syndrome. What Lynch syndrome is is a genetic. predisposition of an 80%. increase of colon cancer ovarian. cancer, breast cancer. It's a genetic predisposition where. your cells don't repair themselves. I lost a friend to this, yes. We are in clinical trials for the. bioshield for patients with Lynch. syndrome. We now have a hundred. patients enrolled already, giving. them this bioshild that'll.

prevent cancer. So it's one of the. first trials. of prevention of cancer and. treatment of cancer. Then this drug, this BioShield, I think people will. not want to call it a vaccine. It's just gotten approved in 2024. for bladder cancer. We now have people who. failed everything, who would have. the bladder removed. Think about that, your bladder. removed, the 9%. mortality just from the surgery. alone, where we're giving.

them this bio shield. That's all they got is a. subcutaneous injection, or sorry, into the bladder. And they are now free of. disease still, complete remission, nine years out. alive today. We can talk to them. Published. We have patients with metastatic. pancreatic cancer. We just published. We're three of disease, five years. out. Senator Reid, who came to.

see me after having failed all other. treatment with his pancreat. cancer, spread to his liver, came to me and he said to me, Patrick, I'm here. But I checked with Francis Collins. who said, don't go. I said, well, send him to read, it's your. choice. He said, I'm coming. And we gave him the therapy. And he CA-19 went down to normal. And he lived for two years, free of. disease. He actually was.

very active. We had a patient with Merkel cell. carcinoma, which is a terrible. disease of failed. everything. He came into our clinic, complete. response. Nine years after he died, other causes. The reason I met. Robert Junior, and even I've not known him for. about four months, is. I called Bobby Shriver.

His cousin. His cousin, and the reason I knew. Bobby Shriver, because Bobby called. me seven years prior to that saying, Patrick, I'm on the City Council. of Santa Monica and the mayor of. Santa Monica has this terrible. tumor in his head and neck. It's ulcerating under his chin, ulcering through his jaw, and you. should lay and see the sign. I said, he's got two weeks to live, he has got to go to hospice, can you. see him? I said absolutely, Bobby, I think he. needs our natural killer cells, he. needs our bioshield.

So I brought him to our clinic, which we have in Los Angeles, in El. Segundo, the nurses. broke into tears. The nurses says, Patrick, what are. you doing? UCLA said he has to go to hospice. You should give this man, I should. know, you don't understand. We can dynamically activate this. And this is all as an outpatient, we got him into complete remission. Complete remission to the extent. Is it still alive? So, it healed. and this.

melted the tumor. He went home. Because it was exposed, a little. bleed happened in the blood vessel. His family took him to St. John's. And then they called me frantically. and said, the doctor says, do not. resuscitate. I said, what? Let me speak to that doctor. He said, well, it's bleeding and. it's got this thing. I think it was in his. late 70s, 80s. I said please clip it. It's a complete response. And we're going to do a flap to. cover that.

We did the flap. He lived for two years, was able to eat. So when I called Bobby and I said, Bobby, you remember what we did? He said, absolutely, Patrick. A lot of people have asked me to. introduce to Robert. You know, Robert and I don't speak. very much. We've had an argument about his. ideas. And I said I understand, but I'm gonna give you a number to. Robert, to Bobby Kennedy, and.

he'll call you. Bobby called me in 10 minutes. And I said, Bobby, I'd like to. introduce myself. He said, Patrick, can I meet with you? I said please. And he came to meet with me at my. home. And we had this long conversation. And I realized, I've. watched your show with. him. Here's what he is, an. authentic man. with a sense of purpose, conviction, courage.

He says what he really believes. Sometimes it may be wrong, sometimes. it may right but he says what he. believes. And I really believed, Oh my God, here's somebody who. would have the courage to take. on the world and ask the questions. And I said, I'm going to support. you. That's what happened. That's how I got to know him. Amazing. He was dismissed by, uh, no, not just dismissed, attacked and. vilified by a.

lot of people in the medical. establishment. I would say. everybody, why were you. willing to listen to him? Because what are you saying? is exactly what I was saying. And I'm sort of attacked by the. same people because of the dogma. that's out there. So let me give you. this example. I said, Bobby, and I shared with him the story. about Hope Hicks. I said that you probably. just walked out to the office and I.

walked in, in. 2016, 2017. I said listen, people. think of you as saying you shouldn't. have a polio vaccine. you that you're an anti-vaccinator. What you really are saying, you're. worried about the excipients inside. the vaccine. So- About the what? Okay, so that's a technical, the materials that go in. with the vaccine- Yes, the mercury, et cetera. The mercury, so I.

understand there's a polio vaccine, it's one, two, three, four polio. vaccines that now been manufactured. And now that all of a sudden there's. a new polio vaccination that's. manufactured in which we have cows. serum, calf serum, inside. that vaccine. And I know, and you know, everybody. knows, in the UK knows, you can get prion disease from. this calf serum, because you. can't measure that. So that got approved. in four days, just.

because of safety, the way the dogma. has happened. But there's other polio vaccines. So you can take the other polia. vaccines, but don't take that one. Just like I was telling you about, maybe I was tell you about propofol. story over breakfast. And you should explain it that. way, that you want it just to be. examined. And you say, exactly. I said, okay. Not only did I get him, he is asking the right questions,

and people are scared to ask. these questions because of his. perverse incentives. And that was what bothered me. But in science, shouldn't any question be allowed? Exactly. So when I tweeted, I said, he knows more science than. most doctors. He's much of a, it's a good thing. you're rich. be out of a job tweeting. stuff like that. But it is, right?

And that's what's a blessing, I. think. You know, I live the American. dream, and that's why you said, okay, I made this money. The money is for the purpose of me. able to do this. And I was very concerned. about being too loud about it, because if this deep state would. hold up the approval, and. they did, by the way, they put us. into complete responsibility. I got a thousand requests for. information. The most, my. submission was close to. 700,000 pages. In order to get this thing through.

700,000. the U.S. tax code. This drug has been in. trials now for 8 years. How long was the Pfizer mRNA. COVID vaccine? and trials months. So that's why I'm trying to say, you. know, this, when, when. I knew it's what I'm taking, you. know, when you were talking about. the user fees, so we thought that. the user fee is, was going to. accelerate the approval where the. FDA gets user fees from the farmer.

It turns out. that the big farmer. user fees are so large, it pays for the salary for all these. reviewers. So now the biotech companies, the young biotec companies are. Brutal. So the big pharma that does this is. incremental. Little dots that just follow the. revenue. There's checkpoints, multi-billion. dollar Mercs, what, 20 billion, 30 billion on revenue. Bristol Mice follows it, AstraZeneca.

follows it. Roche follows it? There's no, they're all the same, but it's all about incremental. sameness and follow. the dollar. But the innovation is really at this. young biotech companies that. are throttled. This is what needs to be changed by. the FDA today. They need a complete revamp. where people with skill sets. and the skill sets of. the modern science, not the old drugs,

have to be in place to. understand what's at stake here. Time for another True Life Alp. story. I got a call from a friend of. mine yesterday, honestly, true. story, who said his girlfriend had. just broken up with him over Alp. He wouldn't stop. And I thought to myself, that's kind. of sad. And he said, no, it's not. sad. Imagine if I'd married her. Now I know, I was saved. Then the next day, this same friend. is driving at twice the speed limit. through a major American city, pulled over by a cop in a speed. trap. Cop takes his license.

registration, goes back to the. patrol car, runs him, comes back, looks in the window and sees a tin. of Alp on the dashboard. Pauses, stunned, says to my friend, you use Alp? Yeah, I do, says my friend. So do I, says the cop, we all do. He looks at my friend thoughtfully. and goes, drive safely, sir, and. hands back his license and. registration. No ticket. So in two days, he's saved from a. tragic marriage to a girl who. doesn't like Alp, and a speeding. ticket. All true. It's more than a-.

In a nation of 350 million people. are guessing there are about 350. million Alp stories. Email us yours. We want to know and read it on the. air. Email tellall at. alppouch.com. Tellall at alppouch. com. Give us your Alp story. Well, you have to take the conflicts. out too. I mean, if a reviewer. is paid by the company whose drugs. he's reviewing, that's like such an obvious conflict. and no other world would that be.

acceptable. not only wouldn't be acceptable, if then that reviewer has also the. role to block an innovator. It gets worse. Again, this just seems like crime to. me. I mean, I don't know. If this were going on in another. country outside the United. States, and I'm an American, so I give the United State every. benefit of every doubt, it takes me. forever to realize something's. corrupt because it's America, it's. not corrupt. But if this were happening, I would. just name the country, China,

South Africa. You know, I'd be like, well, that's. the most corrupt thing I've ever. heard. Well, that's exactly the fear I have. now. The Chinese don't have this. restriction, and their innovation is now. outstripping us. Think about that. I've always said America's. lead in healthcare. and biomedical innovation. is the best in the. world. And if we could use biomedical. innovation as foreign policy. for Africa and to.

Asia and to India, To bring that to the rest of the. world, that's how we lead. I now read the papers, and the Chinese science is. now outstripping us. Look what happened to AstraZeneca. just last week. They just spent $2 billion investing. in China now. That's a tragedy for us. Not for manufacturing? For innovation. Oh, so that's not good. Because the idea was we offshore all. the manufacturing, but with the. ideas.

Right. Generate here. So AstraZeneca's English company. So what I'm saying is. the fundamental problem. I think lies at the FDA and. even the NIH. So the change that Bobby's bringing. in with Jay now being head of NIH. and Marty being head of the FDA, and Bobby himself having the courage. to stand up to talk both. against the food industrial complex. and the pharma complex, take on the mercs of the world the. vices of the world.

we have maybe an opportunity, what I call a period of. enlightenment. And really I'm all about. enlightenment. And if you can look at the Sanjay. peace, we are there now. So I want to actually send out. Can you guys stop asking questions. though? So your position. is that cancer, but not just. cancer, all kinds of. illnesses are caused by. weakened immune system and. inflammation. It's all about the immune system.

Your body functions, you live. or you die by the immune. systems. The senescent cells aging. is the immune's system. The cells in your body that. allow you to go to 100 years old, 120 years old is. based on the activity. and the function of the immune. system, because the immune system. was regulating your healthy cells. Can we just go through, I know this. like patentable, this is not your. business, but it's, what.

are some of the obvious things. a person can do to strengthen. his immune system? So you ask what activates. the natural killer cell. So this is your. you know when you look at the leaf. and you talk about apoptosis and the. leaf actually sits and goes brown. and and and it changes. but then goes back up. All of human nature, all of nature, is filled. with this biology of this balance.

So you're a product. of nature. I mean, literally you're the product. of when you were. a tadpole and a fish as we. came out. So this cell has. evolved since the Cambrian age. Think about that. This cell, this natural killer cell. in your body. I published my first article on. natural killosal in 1990. This cell was only discovered in the. 1970s. Think about that. And we've ignored that cell.

This is what I call the missing. link. I'm gonna announce that. at the American Urology. Conference in Las Vegas in the. end of this month. We have discovered, I've. not discovered the missing link, we've discovered the awareness of. this missing link and how to. activate this missing links. So the idea is to activate. the natural killer cell. It has 30,000 receptors on. this cell. What this natural killer cell does,

it replenishes itself with sleep, so sleep is important. It replenishes self with light, with sunlight, and. I believe there's a certain. wavelength, the red wavelength, in the sunlight that it actually. requires for it to be stimulated. So, This is why people get sicker in the. winter. Exactly. That's why Seattle has the highest. suicide rate. Think about that, right? So these things, and if you look at.

the places like Norway. and Sweden, where there's very. little sun. Finland. Nature's all about light, sunlight, so that's. why I think this is. I like obvious abstinence, nature is all about sunlight, of course, plants don't grow without. sunlight. and at the end of the day. We either about neutrons, photons,

and electrons. That's what we are. We, as a human being, is nothing. else but a battery and end gate when. you think about that, right? So we have a bunch of electrons and. neutrons and charges that floating. through us that actually interact. And that's how I think of the human. body. That's why I said I think of. it as an astrophysicist. It's crazy, but that's where my mind. works. So sleep, getting sunlight. and having food. that doesn't immunosuppress your.

biome, the bacteria. in your body sends. out materials. that actually will immunosupress or. activate. What do they mean on suppressive. foods? Unfortunately, I think most. natural foods are fine. It's the toxins in the food, exactly. what I said, the excipients. So when we talk about the red dye, the processed foods, all this. unnatural processed. stuff. ultimately cause inflammation.

Now when it gets back to. this plasticity of. inflammation, inflammation causes. immunosuppression because it. causes all these cells to. flip. Yes. From the killer state to the. suppressor state, that's why we said. we have this dichotomy of. is the cat alive? You see it too in the elderly, it's why an infection or. a diabetic foot infection can lead. to a systemic infection and kill the. person.

That's why, you know, when this guy. discovered that H. Pylori causes gastric ulcer, they. said, you're nuts. It's acid. I remember that. So well. So well, so now when you think about. that, so that's what. But that's a consensus now right. acid does not cause ulcers. Well, it's the cause and effect. So H. pylori causes the. inflammation and then the acid. that's actually in your stomach. Activates it, but it's not the core. cause. Correct, but it's all about. dogma. That's why I call this a vaccine,

but it's a bioshield. So you have to fight dogma, part. of the problem is you're fighting, so I will ask you, I wanted to ask. us to do an experiment, I'm. all for it, where we pick up the phone, call. any random oncologist, not. to shame them, primary. care physician, pick up a phone and. said You do a CBC, correct? Yes. Can you define what a CPC is? A complete blood count. You take a blood and you look for...

Yeah, the blood screen that everyone. gets. Blood screen. Yeah. For whether you're anemic or not. anemic. Yeah, yeah. People. understand that, right? Red blood cells. And you see these red blood cells. and you give chemotherapy and. radiation. and you ask, what do you look? Well, we look to see if you're. anemic. So we can give you this drug that. Amgen makes called Epogen. We look to whether your platelets. have gone down. so we can give you a platelet. transfusion. We look to see where the neutrophils. have gone down so that you don't get.

an infection called neutropenic. fever so we give you this drug, neupogen. Well, the problem is, does red. blood cells cure cancer? No. Does platelets cure cancer, no. Does neutrophil kill cancer? No. What kills cancer? The natural killer cells and. T-cells. So in that CBC, there's a. thing called the lymphocytes, correct? Do you look at that? the only cell that. is important that kills. cancer. 99.9% of oncologists.

will say, we don't pay any. attention to that. That, um, that, that. does he mass backwards? Why, why if you're not, not to, you know, attack. oncologists, but if you're fighting. cancer, why do you ignore the one. cell that fights cancer? That's the experiment I want to see. And that's a little mysterious. Am I missing something?

That's the missing link, the final frontier, the E equals MC squared, the God's equation. That is the key element in your body. that we've been missing for fifty. years, for fifty years. But it's even worse than that. Those missing link, we've actually destroyed with.

chemotherapy, we have destroyed. with radiotherapy and we've. destroyed with checkpoint. inhibitors, we've just destroyed. with steroids. Guess what we give to patients? Chemotherapy, radiotherapy, steroids. and checkpoints. Am I missing something? I don't know anything about this. You know, I was a Russian studies. major, but I. have no, just cause I'm 55, I know a lot of cancer patients. I have always been skeptical that. the protocol is effective based. on, so what I have noticed is those.

therapies seem to beat back the. cancer in short term, but then so often you watch it come. roaring back. You know I'm in remission and then. wham, you just get hit by a tidal. wave of cancer and eliminated. So if you see my writings, I have written so many times, you. win the battle and you lose the war. So this is not, I'm not imagining. this. You're not imagining that you. win the battle, and you'll lose the. wall. The reason you win the battle. is because you see this little blip. of a response with chemotherapy.

And then the moment you stopped or. not even again, you've actually. now killed the cells that were there. to protect you. You've upregulated. these suppressor cells and you get. metastasis and you say, oops, sorry. You know, I have to go to hospice. Think about that. That's what we've. been doing for 50 years. That's a dogma that I'm fighting. So what, okay, so let's just say. I leave here and I'm. diagnosed with, you know, a serious. life-threatening form of cancer.

What would you recommend I. do next? So this is where you play chess. and don't play checkers. This is where play go. Where you say, okay, what is the. cancer doing first? Well, guess what? The cancer is not stupid. So we've figured out a way to hide. from these killer cells. So the first thing you have to do is. you have to expose the. receptors on the cancers of the. killer cells could recognize that.

So even in the presence. of chemotherapy, you don't use chemotherapy to kill. the tumor. You use a tiny. dose of chemotherapy just to stress. the patient, the cancer, and the cancer's, oh my God, something's coming at me and it. starts exposing itself. So you go from high to exposed. So you use the chemotherapy at. a low dose called low metronomic. dose to use it as.

what I call an immunomodulator. Wait, I was asking, you're. describing cancer as almost like. an autonomous entity that. has a goal, a will to. destroy the human body. It does. But that's, I mean, you are. describing like a... It's a machine. But with intent and. kind of clever behavior, it. hides? Like what? You're describing like some foreign. entity in the body that's trying to. kill the body. It is. It's like a virus.

Thanks for watching! But how, how can a tumor know to. hide? Because it has genomic. sequencing in there that actually. blocks the expression. So. That sounds diabolical. It is diabolically. That's why I spent 50 years trying. to understand it's. not a human brain, it's biology and how biology. can mutate and actually it's, your. body is a beautiful thing. It's an exquisite thing. So it has to have this thing called. epigenetics. So it has the.

genomic sequencing that says, I'm. not gonna express this. So we can now stress. that and block the. blocker and it now expresses. something on its surface that. our T-cells can recognize. So that's the first step, smoke it. out. Smoke it out, but your body has mechanisms to. smoke it, it gets even. more complicated. Your body has a thing where you can. induce what you call damps, which. is damage associated.

molecular patterns, but forget that. It's a way of actually smoking it. out so now your T cells can. recognize it. Okay, so now you've. done step one. That's just step one, that's one molecule. So this is why I think the FDA needs. to understand we're fighting. a war where you need battlefield. awareness all simultaneously, where you have to orchestrate your. Marines, your Army, your Navy, Air. Force, all in the right place. so that you can use the tumor in. your body. to act as the weapon,

as the vaccine. Because a tumor has. molecules that is foreign to the. rest of your body. And if you educate your T cells to. recognize as molecules that is far. into the rest of your your body, that T cell can remember. Now you have a memory T cell. So for the first time in 2024, in our package insert, we have a molecule called the bio. shield now, I'll call it the. bio-shield. They can activate the natural killer. cell, Activate the killer T. cell. and drive memory T-cells.

We now have bladder cancer patients. who would have lost their bladder in. complete remission for nine years. and still alive. And so the protocol is you. low dose, you administer low dose. chemo to identify. where the tumor is. You smoke it. out. smoke it out. But at the same time, you need to have the natural killer. cells and T cells ready. So you give them the bioshield. that upregulates and stimulates your. natural killer cells and t-cells. What about radiation? Does that play.

a role? That'll kill your natural killers. cells and T cells. So no. Unless, and this comes out, unless today the radiation. is what they call 70 gigabits, Unless you. give a tiny little dose just. to the tumor. no else, to smoke it out. So you use radiation in a very. different way called SBRT, a low dose. To identify rather than destroy. To expose rather than dispose. So the algorithm is.

expose, from hide to. expose. The next algorithm is activate and. proliferate your NK cells. And that's what the subcutaneous. injection. The next is to. educate your T cells with. a vaccine. that you anticipate that it's going. to be exposed. So you now have educated T cells. ready. So you get educated T-cells, you got. NK cells. And the next thing is to activate. your macrophages.

So they become killer macrophage. And the step is to suppress. the suppressors. it all simultaneously. How much human suffering is involved. in this? There's a lot in a. conventional course of cancer. therapy? All as an outpatient. We've done hundreds of patients now. So you're not, so someone taking. this course is not going to, is he gonna lose his hair? Throw up? All is an out patient. What's even more exciting?

Because that matters for cancer. patients. I mean, it's hard to be a. cancer patient. It's horrible. yeah but we're now seeing patients. now in complete remission more. importantly I want to treat patients. before they need surgery. so they can use. the tumor itself in the body. as the vaccine. to educate the body in the t-cells. all about that tumor. What's even more exciting now, we. can take blood from you. One pint.

and extract the natural killer cell. in the T-cell and grow billions. and store. in cryopreservation just. like you do. from. cord blood, we. now have the ability to. grow these natural killer cells and. give it to anybody. So I hope we said for the first time. we could become the American Red. Cross of cancer, Our. country. and use these innovations.

as foreign policy. So could, looking. back, do you think it was unwise. to require the population. to get the Pfizer and Moderna. Vax. It depends on the. time. I think it's unwise to keep on. giving this nonsense. I shouldn't say that. I should be careful when. I call it nonsense. The idea of doing an antibody. vaccine and then create another. antibody vaccine, another antibody.

that chases your tail. I don't know what that's doing, those spike proteins. It's not ridding your body of COVID. though. It's, it's not. Is it, is it creating even. more variants in your body? I don' know, but- Is that possible? I see the. idea, and I'm such a scientist, I need to actually go and actually. pull out these variants and. sequencing them. That's what we do now.

But is it theoretically possible? It's. theoretically possible. Could there be? any change to a person's DNA. Well, that's what this does. It's what the mRNA vaccines do. Correct, it converts into DNA and it. converts into replicating and that's. what it does. And it replicates. an RNA virus. It becomes, it's the... Someone who's clearly you've made. reference to it a couple times. interested in evolution. To change the DNA. of a species is to change the. species over time. No, I don't think it integrates.

My concern is that. this virus is all about itself. Very selfish virus. Selfish virus. In fact, the fact. that it's now less. deadly is in the virus's. interest. The virus doesn't want to kill you. because you are the incubator. Think about that. wants your life. You're speaking in a way that. suggests intent and forethought. It's biology, it's evolution,

everything is evolution. It was the intent to go from a. tadpole to a human. being. I don't know, but to consider. the possibility you have something. or the certainty that you have. something within your body that is. acting against your body's interest. on purpose. Yeah, because it needs you to be. the incubator. So, you know, the, the veracity. of... when it was so manmade. So, you know, viral evolution, when.

it would have called affinity. maturation, it. matures itself so that. it can be more infective. That's one thing it tries to do as. a virus. I mean, these viruses. are. living organisms. And when you say living, they don't. have brains or anything like that, but they have machinery. That is very sophisticated. They have what they call promoters. and et cetera. Why would you make something like. that on purpose?

Well, there are viruses in nature. Of course. Which theoretically will go. through what you call maturation. that normally do not infect. you. They're not species, they're species. specific. Exactly. But why would you then change that? And that's what this, you know, gain of function studies was so. dangerous. That's why it was prohibited. It's s-. so self-evidently evil. to even play with something like. that with the potential consequences. which we're now seeing, 13-year-olds.

getting pancreatic cancer, like. how could anyone do that? And why aren't those people in. prison? Well, it was banned, right? It was banned in the United States. Yeah. So we were on lab partnership. Well, so we subverted it. Now you talk about, you know, why I. said so, so few people could home. home so many. How they got around that is. for the investigators to find out. But I mean, you're someone who's. created cancer drugs, who spent a lot of his life in a. lab.

That's why you're a billionaire. So you know a lot about this topic, obviously. And it's clear to you that that's. just too dangerous to be doing that, right? Yes. To take animal viruses. and make... You can't control it because. you've done affinity maturation. that would have taken. tens of maybe millions of. years. In that fusion protein, they created. this fusion protein and created, and. then they created this vaccine. I think Barney Graham was the.

part with Collins and everything. else that was so proud to. create this RBD and make it stable. Think about it. The spear hit the tip of the spear. that goes into your cell. Are we going to make it stable? That's how this vaccine was. produced. This was the mRNA vaccine, was. produced. So you've taken a. virus that's. now gone from bats to men only. because I think this kind. of function work. You then create a vaccine by taking.

the spearhead of this virus. that is now being created. to get into you. and make the spear head even more. stable and put it on the vaccine and. says, This seems super crazy. So just from the perspective. of a layman again, if I've never had COVID and. I get the. MRA, you know, if I get Pfizer. vaccine, MRA vaccine, if I got it three years ago, can you. detect COVID in my body now?

See that's like, that's just crazy. Look, I know of a... I wouldn't name her, but she... was a very senior person at the FDA. And she just got the vaccine, that's. it. And within weeks, she got brain fog, loss of memory. There's clear evidence that. sometimes the vaccines. effect is the cause. It's sometimes the virus is the.

course. So that's what I'm saying. It's, it's not mutually exclusive. I understand. And it's, but it's all about the. But the idea that you would be. introducing the COVID virus. into a body that was not infected. by the COVID virus is like. You went after the wrong protein, basically. I've been begging them to go after. the nuclear capsid protein because. the nuclear capsule protein, which. is in the core of. the virus, is not the tip. of the spear. And if you have a T.

cell, it lasts for 17 years. We know that from previous COVID. infections, but they refused to do it. This seems like a human tragedy. at like an unimaginable scale. Completely. It devastates me. Uh, well, that's incredibly bracing. And I think you're one of the very. few people I've ever met who has the. absolute authority to speak on this. And yet you've, you've not been encouraged.

to speak about it, it sounds like. I've been knocked in what? encouraged to speak about it. Yeah, because I'm. not a political person and. I have this bigger picture that we. have to find a solution, not just for COVID, but for cancer. And the irony is this Bioshield. works for both. And the only chance- Because they're. connected, it sounds like. Completely connected. And the one chance we have. now, because,

I had no idea that the political. deep state It was so powerful and. so vicious. and so egotistical. that they would. stop good. science. So now I'm. out there speaking because the drug. got approved, but. that's not enough just for bladder. cancer. It has the same. treatment effect for pancreatic. cancer, lung cancer, triple negative.

breast cancer. It is the only molecule for. 50 years that. upregulates these killer cells, period the missing link. got COVID. So that's you really never got. COVID? Never got COVID How. many people do you know who didn't. get COVID? Well, the President of the United States. got COVID like four times. So if you did get COVID, there's three antigens in the. virus. There's a spike, there is a. nucleocapsid, and there's a thing. called the M. protein, M.

And if you have, when you do your. blood test, you can see if you. had the M protein. If you have the M-protein. in your antibody or. T-cell antibody to the. M proteins, that means it came from. the virus. If you had no M-Protein, it came from somewhere else, could. come from the vaccine. I have no M protein. and I have T-Cells to N. and I've T- Cells to S.

So you could basically lick a park. bench and not get sick. No, it doesn't exactly. So now you need to differentiate and. not conflate the ability to the. virus to infect it could still. infect me, but my body has the protection, the. bioshield to clear it immediately. within seven days, clear it. Is this a lifelong protection? Well, based on the science. of the where they call MERS-1, where it was 17 years. is protection.

That was the original coronavirus. outbreak. Correct, 17 years, this. nuclear T cells is out there. So we'll- I'll take that. I'll takes 17 years. Exactly. And you can get a booster. Now what we're working on is a. universal COVID virus, a vaccine for. all coronaviruses because it's. in. So what we did, oh, that's. a good segue to that. So during my genomic sequencing, I. was building the whole machine. learning supercomputing network and. I ran the national Lambda rail for.

the God's particle and I built. supercomputers and AI. way before AI was, and I presented the AI model to. President Obama, believe it or not, in the one pager for healthcare. So our supercomputer, we combined. ourselves with Microsoft so that we. had the largest GPU cloud during. COVID. And we were able then to actually. look at the infectivity of. every pieces. every variant of COVID, with every human type, there's a. thing called HLA, so that.

we could actually look at how the. virus would change and avoid the T. cells. The only thing that it could never. do was change the nuclear capsid. and never could avoid the t cells. We made that software public, it is still public, and published it. so that anybody could test. Based on your HLA and my. HLA type would be slightly. different. There's hundreds and thousands of. HLA types. and know whether. this sequence,

if you had that sequence in your. body would be protective. Through that, we are developing. what we call a universal COVID. vaccine, BioShield T-cell vaccine, and we have it. But how do you do it? So one of my thoughts. was just to give it away to. somebody. I actually offered to give it away. to Regeneron into Amgen. but they were too busy, everybody. was too busy during the COVID time.

So one of the ideas now was. for me to actually go to the Serum. Institute in India and say, yeah, please go build this and. make this available to the world. You know, just so much we could do. as an organization with a tiny. little biotech company, relative to the Merck and the. Pfizer's. But that's what my goal is. My personal goal is when you say, I'm still doing it and I don't have. a vineyard,

the resources that was given to me. as a God's gift, I believe, that allowed me to do this. So, you know, we have hundreds of. employees and 40 acres of land in. Los Angeles. The. other tragedy was... I took over this facility in. Dunkirk, that New York State had put $200. million in, completely empty, brand new, amazing facility for. national preparedness, and I. called Chuck Schumer to help me. make that available for the country.

It's still sitting there, available. for the country, as a national preparedness. manufacturing site in Dunkirk, New York, for which we put $50. million in, but. there's no employees in there right. now. It is really ridiculous, right, without leadership, without skill sets in leadership. and without informed leadership, how we as a country could go down.

the wrong path. And I'm so hopeful. that these next four. years could change that. So this has been an amazing story. You're obviously, uh, very famous in the medical. research world, um, and controversial, but I'm, I'm. I'm sold on what you said. So everything that you've done is, you know, you'll have a great. O bit because of it, then you decided to buy the LA times. in 2018 ish. And, you know, owning a. the main newspaper in the country's.

second biggest town makes you. obviously a media mogul, but it. makes you a political figure as. well. And LA is so complicated. Like, why would you do that? You don't need that. Why would you that? Well, I think it really helps to. know how I grew up, right? So I grew in South Africa as. apartheid. Because South Africa didn't have, I. did not see a TV until the age of. 21, believe it or not. No TV? No TV, South Africa, didn't. TV. So not that I didn't watch TV, period.

Also, it was just books and. newspapers. That was the only way I got. educated, books and newspaper. To the extent that I would go. every day as. a newspaper boy to the printing. press in Port Elizabeth, sit. at the printing press, get the first. one off the press, read it, and. then run with about two, three. hundred papers throughout the city. That would be what I. did and grew up. So I fell in love with the printing. presses, the clicky clack of the, and the oil and the smell. And when the opportunity came,

remember, as I said, I had this. amazing gift of. the resources of selling these. two companies. that I never anticipated in life. with. Michael Ferro saying, he took. over this company called, named it Tronc, and. he was going to shut. down the Washington Bureau and. move all the- So he owned the LA. Times? He owned the Tribune, actually, the whole thing. Yeah, at. that point, yeah. Chicago Tribune. The Tribune.

Company. The whole Tribune company, which included LA Times and San. Diego Tribune and. he knew how desperately I wanted. the LA times. Um, because I'd have helped him. invest to buy the. rest of the tribune. So I was a minority shoulder in. that. And he came to me and. said, Hey, Patrick, you want it? Here's the price. You've got 48 hours to decide and. it's $500 million. No due to diligence. No due diligence. That's just it. And who would take that deal?

Only crazy people. It's half a billion dollars and you. can't see the books. Yeah, nor can you go visit the. newsroom. because on Monday we're going to. actually shut all that and move them. all out and I don't want you to talk. to these people and you have until. Monday to decide. And I was running a conference in. LA with all my scientists. and the National Cancer Institute. and all the scientists were there at. this hotel and I said, oh my God. So I went upstairs and we got a.

private room and I brought all the. people into the room. I said, I want to do it. And I called my wife and said, we. want to do this. I think this is an opportunity for. us to have a. voice for the people, especially if they're going to shut down. Washington, they're gonna shut down. LA. We'll never have a paper here. This is one of the most important. things. So by Monday I signed it and. that was it. And then you paid him $500 million. $500,000,000. How grateful was he?

Sorry, I'm sorry to laugh, but if you hadn't made so much. money, I wouldn't be laughing. because of what you mean. But that's incredible. So, philanthropy. I've got some stuff I'd like to sell. you, is that okay? Oh, so Phil Anshut saw me. at the next Laker game. He says, you know, Patrick, I always. thought you're such a smart guy. until yesterday. But, you, I have no regrets. I think what I did then was. said, okay, I'm going.

to take everything I know in. healthcare, that rocket ship that I. showed you and, and then create, because. during that time Bezos would have. this arc, he'd have the software and. he had the Washington post and he, his team came to see me. and said, listen, we've got this ARC. software that we want you. to run. I said, no, I don't like. this old software. I'm gonna go build a completely new. software content management system. that could take podcasts, video, live streaming, because I want this newspaper to be.

an educational moment for people. And at the end of the day, a. newspaper is not just a newspaper, it's a basis of engagement. I want to engage users as a. tool to engage with people Because. that's how I grew up. So we took the risk and we built. this content management system, took. us five years, and we launched. it and which could talk to the. printing press and talk to. magazines, it could talk to. podcasts, it talked to video talk to. live streaming. And now it's just gone live.

It's called LA Times studio and LA. Times live. And the next thing we're going to do. is called LA times next. And then LA times Next, and a gentleman called Eric Beach. and I are forming so. that we Create. a platform. that would allow voices to. be heard and free speech. to be a heard unencumbered. by either the opinion or. news. So now we have three platforms. We have a platform of news, which. supposedly is facts.

We have platform of opinion, which are now changed to voices, meaning everybody should have a. voice, whether your right voice, left voice, central voice, do you. like Coca-Cola, Pepsi-Cola whatever. voice. a complete platform. that allows free speech and. video podcast. And now I have that platform and. we've built the infrastructure to. accommodate that platform.

And I'm excited by LA Times Next. because we're going to have a studio. in DC, we have to. Nashville and. shows like this are important. because I believe long forms. like this is how you. communicate for people who are. interested. And it could be fun, it should be. engaging, it should interesting. And that's why I bought the paper. Well, those are great reasons as far. as I'm concerned, but they come.

with them. The purchase comes with. it. A lot of people who work. at the paper, I've. worked in newsrooms my whole life. and I know that they hate change. They hate the owner no matter what. Everybody hates the owner just on. principle. There are a ton of unhappy people in. journalism. I would say the. overwhelming majority for whatever. reason we could speculate. And they're very hard to manage. And they're roughly about. a hundred or maybe even more. percent, uh, left wing.

everywhere, including at supposedly conservative. places that are all lefties. So how do you deal with that? by being honest and transparent head. on. And I openly shared with them, I said, listen, we cannot be echo. chamber, I won't tolerate it. It's okay if you're left-wing, but you need right-wing. So I offered Scott Jennings an. opportunity to write on. the paper. And I said we need all. voices. And so I said listen,

I don't know who made these rules, because I came into this newspaper, I don' know that- difference between. a columnist and op-ed editorial. page and news. and now when you're merging all of. these can you imagine the layperson. not really understanding the. difference? That's right. And I want you to say news is news. and you're the newsroom, fine. Theoretically everything's edited, you've checked it, you fact checked. it. But when it comes to an opinion. I want to.

all American voices to be heard. And you know, the Kamala Harris. endorsement, I. took a lot of heat because the. editorial board resigned by. my taking a stand that we cannot be. an echo chamber of. opinions not based on facts. So just for those who didn't follow. it, and it was quite a story for. a couple of days there, it was. during the campaign, the editorial board, correct me if.

I'm wrong, wanted to endorse Kamala. Harris. And you said no, what did they. say to you? And what did you say back to them? Well, I call. Oh, come on! You've gone pretty far already! I can just say that we're not happy. But what was their pitch? Like, so, so the pitch was we. as a board have met and we. have this pre-package. We know this is outrageous. Blah, blah, blah.

This pre- package. What does that mean? We had a pre. package endorsement. What do you mean pre package? already written it after. talking to Kamala Harris never. having met her they never met Kamala. never met her isn't the editorial. board supposed to interview the. By the way, the editorial board. never met, even. I'm on the editorial of the board. So I said, I'm with it. Kamal Harris was in LA all. the time. Correct. In your neighborhood, actually, raising money. Raising money, keeping the traffic in trouble, raising money,

and that's, and I'd never met her, and nor did the board ever. met. And I said this is. unacceptable. And they know they, as you could. see, because it's a left leaning, They wrote terrible. stories about President Trump, which is, had they met him, not met. him either. So my statement to them was, listen, you may have an opinion, but all of. us should have opinion based on. facts. I mean, one of the. statements that came, and I would. name him, came from a.

person that said within. this concept that. Vice President Kamala Harris was the. most consequential vice president in. the history of the United States. No, I shouldn't lie. I don't mean to be dismissive. On what basis did the person say. that? Having never met her, so now exactly, you just hit. it on the head, and I said on what. basis do we say that, what are the facts, can we actually. show the record. of that? So I said, you know, it boiled down.

to look, we're not going to do that, we just not going to it. What did the person say when you. asked? No, why are you saying she's most. consequential vice president of the. United States? Like what are the. facts that underlie that judgment? I obviously had disagreed with that. person and they. had no basis for that other than, you know, as you said, a personal. echo chamber, you know? And look, I think... I don't know what they're trying to. protect.

If I'm trying to find the. kernel of basis, the audience, because the audience. is left so they need to be left. I don' think that's right. I think, meaning our audience, we lost a lot of viewers, right, I. mean, thousands of. people unsubscribed. But I don''t think it's right... that we should be this canceling. society. I think we should have a. society that can have a civil. discourse like we're having now and. disagree, it's okay,

and understand each other's point of. view. That's what I think is the. value of the paper when you talk. about voices. So, that's what i'm instigating now. And so, I've taken... the opportunity. Let's go back to the Comma thing. really quick. So they were shocked that. you canceled that. I was in shock, they resigned. They resigned. So I had three, right now, 90% of my editorial board has. resigned. So where did they go? Oh, because there are no editorial. writing jobs left in the world. I have no idea.

So, look, I think. it's important. Look, the fact that. I had the courage to resign, some of. them, no, Kevin Murad, I. fired. I fired Kevin before they. resigned. Why did you fire him? One, because of leadership, two, because of. I got to be careful. I don't want to disparage him. I fired him because I didn't believe. he was the right person of.

taking the paper where it needs to. be. He was formerly at the Washington. Post. Washington Post, yeah. I remember that well. And then after. that episode, the. editorial board, the rest of them. resigned, and now we're. rebuilding. Look, we have to, and what's exciting to me is I'm. rebuilding with young people. And what's exciting to me is this. opportunity with LA Times Next and. LA Times Studio and. then the newsroom. Terry Tang is doing a fantastic job.

She's working hard to. take on the people and. the productivity. The productivity? Well, increasing productivity. Oh, you're employing journalists? Okay, so that's a world I. understand. There are some productivity issues. there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When you write one slug a month, I. think that's not gonna be good. Been there. There. So it's been an experience,

but look, we're there in for the. long haul, I think. And look, it's just not us, by the. way. We've got to save these local. newspapers, right? We've gotta save the ability. to have local discos. Now with the early fires, it. is even more important, right. Look, I called out Karen Bass and. Gavin Newsom. And these politicians, I know them. both, I text with. them both and I complain to them. both. And what I tell the public is what I. tell them. So I don't say anything. behind their back.

I personally say, I said, you're not. doing the right thing. Whether it be the homelessness or. homelessness, they did a terrible. job. Completely wasteful job. So these are the kinds of things. that I think it gave us the. opportunity to have a say. in our community, you. know, and that's what I'll continue. to do. Now we'll position ourselves in D.C. and I think the next four years will. be really, I hope, monumental.

Doctor, thank you for spending all. this time. All right, no, it's been. fun and a pleasure. Thank you. Thank you.