Dr. Mary Talley Bowden: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility

So thank you for coming. Okay, here's my question to you. You were one of the people who. was right about COVID. and certainly. more right than the US public. health authorities and the global. public health authorities. And I'm just going to summarize in. two sentences what I think your. position was. So you're a physician in. private practice in Texas and. you're vaccinated, by the No. You were not. Oh, you're not vaccinated. God bless you, but but.

at first you like have no real. reason to think that this is all. completely backward But then you. treat kovat patients thousands, I think and you. start to realize that the therapies. that the US government is. recommending are not working that. the vaccines are not working as. advertised at all and. you start saying something about. it and Offering. alternatives to it which are badly. needed in the middle of this. moment and You're attacked,

really attacked. Your livelihood, your professional. credentials are attacked. And then time passes now four. years and it becomes really. clear that once again, you. were more right than the US public. health authorities. I think that's. just demonstrable. I think the science proves that. So here's my question after a long. preamble. Have you been rewarded for it? Has the AMA given you the physician. of the year award? No, I'm serious. Has anybody said? We were wrong in attacking.

you, and you deserve. credit for your foresight and. bravery. No. And I mean, I'm still fighting to. keep my license. I mean I still have the Texas.

Medical Board coming after me. for something that. happened. Right now you're fighting? Oh yeah. Oh yeah, yeah. I have a hearing coming up end of. April. And I was trying to. save somebody's life. It was a sheriff's deputy. This is a man that has served for. 29 years trying to protect. and save the public. Father of six. And he contracted COVID, and this was in the fall of 2021. And that was the third and the. largest surge of the pandemic.

That's when, yeah, this was. following the rollout of the COVID. shots. So this was eight months. following the roll out of COVID. shots, and they clearly weren't. working. And this man, he got. sick. He tried to get ivermectin. He couldn't find a doctor willing to. prescribe it. He ended up in the hospital, and he went downhill. like so many people. did. and his wife, the. hospital was talking hospice. They were giving up. They said, we tried everything. How old was this man?

He was late. fifties, early sixties. non-elder. No. And he was a big guy, but he had. no comorbidities. He had no other medical problems. And so, we saw. this, though, with so many people. You know, if you didn't get. early treatment, the second week. of illness, people would start. really getting bad. This massive inflammatory response. would kick in. It almost always happened on day.

eight. It was very weird. It was very predictable. And, you know, the primary care. doctors just. shut their doors to these people. They said, oh, this is just a virus. We'll let it run its course and then. go to the emergency room if you. can't breathe. So that, that happened to. Can I ask you a question? Why would primary care physicians, whose duty it is to treat patients, and they must have known by this. point that day eight is the critical. day, why would they not treat these. people? Because there's a dogma that we are. taught in medical school and in.

our training that you don't treat a. virus, that you let a virus run. its course, because there's this big. fear about antibiotic resistance. So they don't want people. overprescribing antibiotics. And so the assumption, if somebody. comes to you with an upper. respiratory tract infection in. the first three, four days, five days, and they don' test. positive for strep, you basically. say, oh, you've got a virus and. we'll just wait and see what. happens. Well, I mean, that was just. catastrophic. I mean that was really, and I.

learned so much. I mean I had that mindset prior. to the pandemic, but it just didn't sit well with. me when people were coming in and. really struggling to just do. nothing. And so initially I. tried hydroxychloroquine. But as soon as President Trump came. out and said how great it was, the. Texas State Board of Pharmacy, they. literally shut it down, like they. prohibited doctors from prescribing. hydroxychloroquine. So I put it on the back burner and. I just did my best.

I did breathing treatments, steroids, I did. antibiotics for secondary infection. But initially, I didn't really have. a lot of demand for people. coming in, needing treatment. I was doing a lot of testing. and that. That sort of got me recognized. in town because I had a saliva. test that didn't. require a swab up the nose and. I was able to get the results back. very quickly. You might remember initially LabCorp. was the only lab in the country that. had the test and they became.

inundated and it was taking two. weeks to get test results back. So we had a saliva test and. people could just, we could just. give a cup and they sit in. their car and spit in it. and then we'd have the results back. the next day. So that's sort of, that's where it. all started. And then monoclonal antibodies. came about and those. works great. I mean, I could get as many doses. I wanted. I'd get them the. next and just contact the. manufacturer, say I need 200.

doses to be at my bed doorstep. Great, they worked wonderfully. People turned around very quickly. And, but what happened. is, and this is during that big. surge when Jason Jones. as Sheriff's Deputy got sick, couldn't get monoclonal antibodies, couldn't Ivermectin. When in 2001 was that, do. you remember? So the summer of 2021, well, so we'll start in the spring. of 2021. So this is following the rollout of. the COVID shots. The government is upset because.

people are not buying it. People are not getting, there's very. low uptake, very low interest. There's suspicion of these shots. So in March, they. started their PR campaign, the. government. They went after ivermectin. The FDA put something on their. website about, you. can't use ivermectin for COVID. That Biden doled. out $11.5 billion. to groups around the country.

Initially it started with 275, it. went up to 17,000. Influencers, church groups, sports leagues, all sorts of people, just funneling out taxpayer money. to go after doctors like myself. that were spreading misinformation. and to push. people to get these COVID. shots. So that happened in. the spring. And that's how, so Houston Methodist. Hospital, and that's where I. had privileges, they were the. first hospital in the country to.

mandate the shots. And this was April 1st, 2021. And this the exact day. that Biden announced COVID-19. community core, that billion, multi-billion dollar propaganda. effort. I think it was very purposeful. I think the mandates started in. Houston for a reason. I knew, I think that they knew if. they could get away with the. mandates in Texas, they could get. way with them anywhere. Where was your governor in this? He was, you know, he, he... You're a republic, a republican.

governor. Yeah, he was he was a little slow. to act. I mean, he he was on board. with Methodist. In fact, I have the CEO of. Methodist, Dr. Mark Boone, on. camera saying that Governor Abbott. wanted them to get a shot in. every arm. That's that's according to the CEO. Methodist . But, you know, he did he did. come through eventually. But this is early. on. So then that summer. started having all these. breakthrough cases. And I was seeing it because I was.

testing people. So I started to track people by. their vaccination status. And I saw that the vaccinated. outnumbered the unvaccinated. and they were just as sick, if not. sicker. So it brought us to the attention of. Houston Methodist. Are these your patients you're. talking about? people that were coming to my office. to get tested. Why wasn't every doctor doing this? Well, we can get to that because, I mean, I'm independent, so it. allowed me to do things that other. doctors can't do.

But I was actually collaborating. with Methodists. I was sharing my. data with them because I had so. many, I was just, all. I saw was COVID for a few years. And we were trying to get the data. published, so we had a good. relationship. So I reached out and I. said, hey, are you seeing what I'm. seeing, like all these Breakthrough. Cases and at. the same time i had all these people. coming to me very distraught about. the mandates and you. know because we were ahead. of the time right this was before. the rest of the country was. mandating the shots but in houston.

if you uh... working a lot of people at houston. methodists they employ about thirty. thousand people. very distrata of these mandates and. and then i and then and then I see. that they're not working at that. time i wasn't seen injuries. And at that time, I was just very. vocal against the mandates. So in August, late August of 2021, FDA put out the infamous horse. tweet.

And that's the attractive. health care worker nuzzling the. horse and says, seriously, y'all, you're not a horse, you're a. cow, stop it. Tweet went viral, that's when. Joe Rogan got smeared. for taking ivermectin, and then right after that Biden. mandated the shots and they took. away monoclonal antibodies. So it was all very orchestrated. But monoclonal antibodies, I've never heard anybody say that. they weren't. Right, but if you have monoclonal.

antibodies available as. an option, people are going to do. that rather than get the shot. So that's why, in my opinion, that's they took away the monoclonal. antibodies. I wish we were working. They worked great. I mean, it was. So this is like the most evil thing. that's ever happened in the United. States. Yeah, in my opinion, definitely. I'm sorry to keep interjecting, it's just, even though I live this, it is just so stunning to hear it. recounted as crisply as you are. recounting it. So okay, so they.

take away monoclonal antibodies, they mandate the shot, you're sharing your with the. hospital at which you have. privileges, what are they saying? So their response was one sentence, and it. said, well, we think the shots. are there to lessen the. severity. Well, interestingly enough, they've. never shared their data, their hospital data, and being the. first in the country to mandate the. shots, you know they're sitting on. an enormous amount of data.

And if the shots had been. effective in preventing. transmission or lowering the. severity, then they. should have shared that. They would have shared, they would. have been, you know, screaming that. from the rooftops if it fits. their agenda, but they've been very. quiet about that. So, you now, I had, you. all these things, all these patients. coming to me, very distraught. I had one patient come to me. and tell me that her. urologist at Houston Methodist. called her and said,

you're gonna need to find a new. urologists if you don't get the. COVID shots. She had a history of bladder cancer, so she was very upset and she was. calling me to try to find a new. doctor. The urologist said, I won't treat. you. Well, he said that the department. was talking, having discussions. about not treating patients. that were unvaccinated. He didn't say definitely. The Texas Health Department? No, this is at Houston Methodist. hospital. Oh, the Department of Urology. That's what he told this patient.

Then... Doesn't he have a moral obligation. to treat his patients? Yeah, well, we saw all sorts of. moral issues. during the pandemic, I mean, yeah, crimes. So yeah, that happened. And then on the exact same day, I got a notice from a surgery. center where I operate. that I'd have to get the COVID shot. to continue operating. And then, on the same day I got. notice from this.

hospital where I was trying to help. the sheriff's deputy. They had a court order to give me. emergency temporary privileges so. that I could give him ivermectin. The wife sued, and she was, you know, last-ditch. effort, let a dying man try. iverMectin before. The Sheriff's Deputy Father of Six. I testified. She asked me to testify. I testified, Senator Bob Hall. testified. We won, and the court was ordered. to give me emergency temporary. privileges.

And then I was to either. myself personally give the. ivermectin to them or have a. nurse do it, because they. thought it was too dangerous for one. of their own members to do it. to treat a patient. with Ivermectin, which is insane. Anyway, I got a notice that. they were going to deny my. privileges, even though I've. never been sued for malpractice, spotless record. They made me get letters. of recommendation. They made submit my surgical.

case logs. They just fought tooth and nail to. make the whole process. as difficult as they could. And the lawyers ended up having to. go back to the judge and fight with. them over just giving me. privileges. Whereas at that time, there was. a shortage. They needed doctors to work in the. hospitals. And if I, under other circumstances, if I had just shown up and said, hey, I want to help out in the ICU, they would have granted me. privileges the same day. There wouldn't have been any kind of.

letters or recommendation or. surgery anyway. They so they. Can I just ask, were you pretty. confident this man was going to die. without treatment? No. So, this is interesting. So the lawyers that. were doing this case, Ralph. Lorrego and Beth Parlato, they did 189 cases around. the country. Similar situation, the spouse is suing the hospital. to try to get their loved one. Ibermectin in this last-ditch. effort to save their lives.

Half of those people, they won the. case. And in the cases where. they won, all but. three patients died. In the cases where they lost, all the patients died. I mean, it's really amazing. And apparently the judges, their. political party, matched the outcome. of the trial. So the Republican judges were. the ones that ruled in favor of the. plaintiff. And then the Democrat judges were. the ones that ruled against the. plaintiffs. You're making my heart beat fast.

hearing this. So what happened in this specific. case? So, you know, we, there was. a lot of back and forth. It was very confusing. It was very happening very quickly. and his life. is on the line. And they, basically, the lawyers told. me you have the green light, we're. going to go ahead. We can go. It's all good. Everything's cleared. So I send the nurse to the hospital, and she's greeted by the police.

and the hospital administrator and. turned away. And he never is allowed to. get the ivermectin. They appealed and managed to get. a stay on the order. And then on appeal, they lost. So the wife, luckily, she was able to go into the. hospital every day, which was. unusual. Most spouses didn't get to do that, but that was one good thing. And this was at Texas Hughley. Hospital in Fort Worth.

So she applied. I ever mentioned to him topically. every day without the hospital. knowing. The hospital tied up his feeding. tube because they didn't want her. sneaking anything in. They put towels and rubber bands. around it so that nothing could be. snuck in. These people are evil. I mean, they fought tooth. and nail to keep him from just. trying a very safe medication, which I believe should be over the. counter, and. then they turned me into the medical. board over it, and I'm still.

fighting those charges. The patient, he did survive, but he spent six months in. the hospital. He lost half of his. body weight. He never was able to make a full. recovery, and unfortunately he did. pass away. That's very upsetting to hear that. That's a very upsetting. And so the charges against you, boy, I thought I was done being. upset by COVID. You just brought me back.

It's such a stain on this country. It's a stain on the medical. profession. Not just that people didn't storm. the hospitals, your father, your husband, your children dying alone. You should have showed up with guns. and said, get out of my way, he's my. loved one and I'm going to be with. him when he dies. Exactly. And so I, you know, people should have done that and I. hope they will next time. Excuse me. So your crime.

is recommending a therapy for. COVID. That's your crime or is. there, I'm missing something. Well, the technicality is. that I didn't have hospital. privileges when I sent the. nurse to the hospital. But because this was a legal. dispute... But she never got in. She never got and I. was following the guidance of the. lawyers. So your nurse made it to the. threshold of a hospital, therefore. you should lose your medical. license? No. Is that, am I? Well, I don't think they're trying. to, I think they just want to find. me and- Find you? Yeah, mark my record and.

I could have settled a. long time ago, so you have something. called an informal settlement. conference, it's behind closed. doors, there's no witnesses. or you. don't really get to interact much. And they offered to make it go away. if I paid them $5,000 and. took eight hours of CME and. retook the-. What do you see, Mimi? continuing medical education. And then. retook the jurisprudence exam. So, all doctors in Texas have to. take a medical legal exam,

which I've already taken and passed, but they wanted me to take it again. And I just said, no, I'm not. caving to this. And unfortunately, the latest, so. it's been three and a half years, there have been multiple continuances. They haven't been able to find an. expert witness to testify against. me. The first One got. sick with cancer. The second one just, I think, just chickened out. I don't know. And then the third one, the third. witness, it turns out.

that the entire time, and he. was the former medical director. of the Texas Medical Board, the. entire, time the last 12 years, he's. been working for Planned Parenthood. So we found that out with-. What? Yeah. Wait, what? I'm so sorry. Now I'm tuning in with greater. intensity. What is his job, his day job when he's not? He's a lab director for Planned. Parenthood. What is a lab director at Planned. Parenthood? I don't know. So fetal fetal tissue to vaccine. companies. companies. Yeah, probably.

Um, and he's on. the medical board. He was the medical director. of the medical board. And he works at Planned Parenthood? Exactly, yeah. This is not Vermont. This is Texas. Exactly. No, I mean, Texas is not what people. think. No, I've figured that out. Man, I didn't expect to be left. speechless the first. 10 minutes. Only three things are absolutely. certain in this life, and you know.

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Pure Talk, wireless by Americans. for Americans. So, do you think, like, take. yourself out of this? This is just like a med school. classmate is going through what. you're going through. Do you see. any? Other side to the argument, any potentially legitimate. justification for hounding you for. four years. You know, the medical board's job is. to protect the public from dangerous. doctors. I mean, it's. true though. I mean you get a. monthly bulletin and you're,

you know. Like the ones who give your kids. amphetamines for ADHD? Well, yeah. The ones who hook your wife on. benzodiazepines because she has. panic attacks, those doctors? Right, right. Well, no, I mean, not those doctors, different doctors. Okay. I mean, we get a monthly email. just blasting all the crimes. that doctors have done, and it's. pretty bad. I mean it's, you know, sex offenders. Oh, I'm not surprised even a little. bit. A lot of, you now, so that's their role. I don't think I'm dangerous.

I was trying to save a life. I stepped on the toes of a hospital. That was my crime, a multi-billion dollar hospital, Advent hospital. And you know that's what happened. with Methodists. I stepped on their. toes and they just weren't going to. have that. So at any point during this, can you. go to the, I mean, these are. obviously huge corporations, but. they're institutions whose. goal is to save lives, improve. lives, bring health to. the population. Could you ever just like call the. CEO of the hospital and the.

medical director of the hospital and. say, this is really crazy. Like, I'm not profiting from this. Ivermectin, there's no profit margin. in it, right? I just think this therapy works. I've seen it and I'm going to try. and help and why don't you back off? Yeah. I mean, at the time that this. was going down, it was a legal. battle. I felt like, well, I really. can't, I just have to, yeah, I can't step outside what. the lawyers are telling me to. do. How much money do these hospitals. take from the Biden administration, do you know?

I don't know for sure, but I. know that Houston Methodist Hospital. has $13 billion in. assets. That was actually a couple. of years ago. It's probably more. now. in assets so thirteen billion. assets and and. they have you know locations all. over he said and they. don't pay property taxes are. non-profit uh... They don't pay property taxes? They don't pay any property taxes. I do think we should get rid of. non-profit status, period. Yes. I don't understand.

I've met almost no non-profit. that I think is good. that needs to be reformed. We could probably close the deficit. just by having these people. pay the taxes that the rest of us. pay. Wow, that's just so shocking. Was there any hospital in Houston. where you live, I think, that. was willing to be reasonable or. was not taking orders? Yes, there was. Good. Yes. So, there is a Dr. Joe Varone, who is a.

pulmonologist, critical care doctor. He's now the head of Independent. Medical Alliance. He and I, I would have, it was crazy, we'd have patients. calling us all over the country. saying, help, get me out of this. hospital, and he. would accept transfers from all over. the country. So people would be, you. know, life flighted from. ICU and. in Maine and taken. down to Houston. And he would care for them. And this hospital, UMMC,

allowed him to use. ivermectin. And we were, so there was a whole. protocol that was, it's called the Math Plus Protocol, and started by FLCCC, which now is Independent Medical. Alliance. It was high dose steroids, it was high-dose ivermectin, it was high dos vitamin C, it was breathing treatments, it was. all these very basic, you know, not dangerous things that. weren't being done. He saved a lot of lives. He worked crazy.

I mean, I think he worked over two. and a half years straight without. even a break. But I was fortunate to have him. as an ally and somebody. What a man, good for him. So you're clearly a data person. Do we have the. final outcome? How did those patients do versus. patients who were intubated in. some Biden-controlled hospital? Well, if you look at, there's a. great website that compiles all the. ivermectin data just by itself, and we have 105 studies.

showing the efficacy of iverMectin, and it. varied depending on the actual. patient, as it should, and. you wouldn't always just use iver. Mectin. So in my more severe patients, I would use a combination of. ieverMectine, hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin. During that second week, I would do. higher dose steroids if necessary, I will do breathing treatments. So it's hard to isolate saying, okay, well, it's just ivermectin.

But when you look on this. compilation of studies, I mean, even. in the late stages, and you were. asking me about this earlier, even. in late stages they showed that. iverMectin could decrease mortality. by 40%. It's most effective. if you actually take it as. prevention. So people taking it twice a week. do the best. uh... and then the people that are. start day one or two or three. and they're the next best. uh... by. So we I mean that's established we. know that. Well, it depends on who you.

ask, but yes, there's plenty of data. supporting that. So why isn't that. like the official CDC protocol. for COVID? Well, you know, it would help myself. and other doctors, I mean, I'm. not the only doctor going through. this with a medical board, but if. they could make it a countermeasure, then it's protected under the PREP. Act. And then it makes all. these issues that we're having with. medical boards essentially go away. Is there anybody who has. counter data, numbers showing the.

opposite, that people taking. ivermectin like. die more? Well, I wouldn't say. that. They'd say it doesn't work or. it's not. But the studies that. are all establishment, you know, in the big journals, they didn't give the ivermectin. soon enough, or they gave too low. of a dose, or. the study was sponsored by. somebody that has financial interest. in seeing it not work.

So there are studies countering. that. But If you. look at, there's just an abundance. of data showing it works and. it's super safe. So I was a little bit nervous before. I started using it because. of all the media. that's only for horses and. that sort of thing. So I dug into it and I. did what. Does it help horses? I know we kept hearing it was a. horse dewormer. Is it effective? Is it effective? Yes, I mean, for their. parasite issues.

But so I looked at the study where. Mark submitted to the FDA, it's on. their website, anybody can find it, and you get toxicity data. And there's something called the. LD50, which stands for lethal. dose 50. It's a benchmark number that. is used to gage how toxic a. medication is. So the higher the. number, the lower the toxicity. And in COVID, we were using. higher doses of ivermectin than what. you use to treat a parasite. So I wanted to make sure these. higher doses were okay. Well, if you look at the LD50.

of ipermectins, it's anywhere from 11 to 82. times what we're. giving for COVID. So we are far under that. threshold. And then I did a literature search. and I tried to find accidental. intentional overdoses from. iverMectin and I couldn't find. anything. and I checked recently. and there was one study. Showing some issues and it was a. little bit muddy like was this. really ivermectin, but if you look. at Tylenol I mean, there's thousands. of papers showing toxicity.

from Tylenols. So it is. I know someone who has advanced. liver disease from it. Really? Wow. Yeah, well, that's the thing, as you. know, thousands of people die every. year. Right. So, um, propofol used every. day in hospitals. I mean, you screw. that up by a tiny bit, you're dead. Right. Yeah. Yeah, I haven't seen it, but. sure. Killed Michael Jackson. Yep. Well, that was... Right, but I'm just saying, like... Awesome. Hospitals work with incredibly. dangerous drugs every day. Right, right. I'm sure you do. Yeah, yeah. What are the side effects of it?

It's, I tell people I have a harder. time with antibiotics in terms of. side effects. Like if I'm gonna get. a call back in. my office, it's usually about an. antibiotic problem, not ivermectin. But you can get some GI. issues, diarrhea, and then you. can blurry vision, but the blurry. vision goes away when you stop. taking it. And it's not like, oh, I can't read. It's more like, ah, something's a. little off. Not, you know. That's it? That's It. So I guess what you're saying, without saying it, is that there's.

really no compelling medical reason. to call the cops if your nurse shows. up with ivermectin. Exactly. So that's like purely political, right? How did your business get. your profession? Get so politicized. Yeah, it's awful, I mean-. Did you know that before all of. this? No, and I remember, Methodist came after me very vocally. and I had. a press conference outside. my office as a, I'm not putting up. with this, and said politics.

has no business in healthcare. And at the time, I really believed. it. I was not political at all. prior to this. Really? I shied away from, I. didn't really like it and. I thought it was too divisive. and. You're in, here I am. No, I think that's such a wonderful. and very American, you have children, and that's. like a sweet kind of, that's how you should feel. Yeah. That's how should feel, I. married someone who feels that way. I don't like people arguing, like.

that's great, you know, we have. important things to do. Right. Yeah, no, I'm not making fun. of you at all. I love that. But now I feel like there's. no other choice, right? You just have to, you have to get. involved, so. Um, so you were not politically. aware at all before this started and. were you aware that your business, that medicine was so politicized? Had you noticed it at all? No, it's interesting that I went. and looked at the data for Texas. because Texas has been infiltrated. by people from all over the country. I'm aware. 33 percent.

It's going to be California style. Yeah, it is. And you look at. health care professionals, what they. donated like to political parties. And 10 years ago, they primarily. donated to Republicans, and now they primarily donate. to Democrats. The whole profession has shifted. I have a theory for why, but you're. the doctor, so you tell me what you. think the cause of that is. Well, I think.

medicine in general, I mean, the. corporate practice, it's become the. corporate practice in medicine. It's become centralized. It's, you know, only 1% of doctors. are not employed, I'm one of those, but. Not employed. Like, so 77%. of doctors are employed by a. hospital, 20%. are employed by private equity. or an insurance company, and 2% are employed by. the government. And only 1% are like myself. So your choices,

like your corporate douche. overlords, private equity or insurance. companies, if it's like a joke, or the government. Right. Right. And you're in the 1% that has. your own business. Maybe that's the answer right there. Well, I think it is. I mean, we have to, doctors need to regain their power. They've lost all their power and. They have no power. They have NO power. They're just like little. worker bees getting ordered around.

I designed, so when. I got out of residency, I worked in. a traditional practice. What are you doing? Can you tell us doing what? just ear, nose, and throat and sleep. medicine. And it was small, but it. was easy. But I was always bothered by the. stranglehold that the insurance. companies had over my ability. to treat my patients. So like one easy example is. in your nose and throat doctor, we. do an endoscopic exam of the nose. It takes about extra 10 minutes, not. really a big deal.

Doesn't sound that fun though for. the patient. It's really not bad. You numb it up first with spray. There's no shots. But if I did that. and I marked the code on. this sheet, on the receipt, the. patient might get some gigantic. bill, like $400 for doing this. little simple procedure, which as an ENT is pretty essential. It's part of our, you know, makes us different from the primary. care doctor. We're able to look in. there. So it would always stress me out in. the back of my mind, like, I'm going.

to do this, and is the patient going. to get some big bill? Right? I hated it. So when I, you know, I took time off. because I had four boys and five. years, and I. just. For boys. Yes, and. Ciao! What's that like? It was it was chaotic. Yes, and I wasn't sure I was gonna. go but I Started. off. I'm just gonna take a year off. and that led to seven years off I. wasn' sure I wasn even to go back to. medicine, but as they got older. Yeah, I just kept nagging at.

me. So I decided to go but I. said I was going to do it on my own. terms. So, I call myself third-party. free I don't contract with. insurance companies I don' contract. with hospitals and I don''t contract. with the government and the only. people I work for are my patients. and and it was. So they just like give you a credit. card when they come in, that's it. Yes, and they can file a receipt. They can file claim to their. insurance company. And yeah, it's very transparent. Everybody knows how much everything. costs. And it's actually, yeah, there's so many people that.

have very high deductible insurance. now. They're basically cash patients. unless something catastrophic. happens. And if you go to a traditional. doctor's practice, half the time they don't even know. what to charge you for a cash. patient because they're just so. entrenched with the insurance. industry. But there is a growing movement of. doctors like myself, and I'm a. specialist, so it's a little. unusual, but there's something. called direct primary care. And direct primary is like. affordable concierge care. So you're paying cash, but the.

cost is typical, like a gym. membership. So it's not super high. You get a lot more access to your. doctor. You got a lot time. probably more quality. They're not always like-minded. in terms of COVID. And to me, that's a litmus test for. your doctor. But it's a better way of. doing it. You get much more. access, higher quality care, more. time. And you save your insurance for the. catastrophic care. That's what we do for our cars.

And use your In. HSA, so Health Savings Account, if you can get one of those and the. government could expand those and. make those more available for. people, because right now it's sort. of limited based on your employer, but if you pay out of pocket. for your basics, then. you are likely to have a better. experience. I think it's in, but it also. frees the doctor to think. independently and to. think on behalf of patients.

Why didn't you get the COVID shot? I, in my mind, I thought, okay, this thing, I don't think it's gonna. work, but I didn't think I was gonna. hurt people. I just thought, I just don't it's. going to work. Why? Why did you think that? because I trusted, I trusted. Yeah, I really had never given the. FDA, CDC, HHS a. thought. I really hadn't, they. weren't on my radar. I just sort of assumed that. everything was fine. Well, but because you assumed that, it's interesting that you didn't.

think the shot would work. Right. Well, it's just because of. the speed. I thought, well, how are. they going to get this together so. quickly that it's going to work? I also, I looked at the study and. I looked at how they conducted the. study, and I didn't like how they. did that. So, the people, the. test subjects were not routinely. tested. They were just tested if the. doctor felt like they needed to be. tested, which seemed a little. too muddy to me. So I had a hesitation on. that regard too.

And then I showed up, but I. had this looming deadline because I. had privileges at Houston Methodist. and you had to sign an attestation. And the attestations said that you. either got the shot or you intended. to get the shot. So I just woke up on a Saturday. morning. I'm like, I'll just. do it. Let's just get it over with. I went to a grocery store. and I stood in line. Where everybody should get their. medical care, right? Go to the grocery store!

I stood in line, and the line. was long, and I got. impatient. And I was like, I'm gonna. leave, I'll come back another time. And I never came back. Thank you. Why? Why didn't I go back? Yeah, I mean, that's just, it's a. big deal. You've got privileges at. this hospital. You treat patients, but this is part. of your business. You're getting. paid and you're. a doctor. So you kind of have to get. the shot. Like we're all on board. Everyone's doing this. And they really were mad at doctors. who didn't take it because that's, and nurses, because that such.

a statement. I mean, here's how I justified it in. my mind. I never stepped foot in that. hospital. I had privileges there. just as an emergency. situation. So it wasn't like, okay, let's say I. got COVID because I didn't get the. shot and then I'm going around the. hospital infecting everybody. I wasn't in the hospital. I also knew that early treatment. worked. So I knew that. this shot was not necessary. because I was seen at first. I know, but there's so much pressure.

on everybody, particularly on. physicians at that point to do it. If you don't do it, it's a big. hassle. You knew that it was gonna. be a hassle. And so just like, I don't know, the tide is moving. really briskly in one direction and. you decide to swim against it. That's more than just like a casual. decision. That's a serious decision. And I'm just trying to get to the. heart of why you made it. Cause you're clearly a thoughtful. person. It doesn't like do random, you're a. doctor. You don't just do random things one. day. It's like, what was it? Was it instinct?

I think it was more, yeah, instinct, and everything was so busy. during that time. I mean, I couldn't. think straight. I mean we were, it. was just slammed. And I just remember thinking, oh, I'm just going to get this over with. and just knock this off my list. And then when it didn't happen, I. thought, well, this is, this is a. sign, you know, I, I I'm not going back. to it may. just be instinct. or providence. Providence. Okay, so I mean that.

decision changed your life, of. course, because it puts you on the. other side from. everyone else. How did your patients do? Everybody, so I used to give out my. cell phone to everybody, especially. the sick ones. Everybody that got early treatment. survived. I even had some really, really. sick people come in in. the second, third week. So second, Third week is when. inflammatory cascades.

set in and people get really sick. I had a man come in with oxygen. saturation in the 60s. and he was not a healthy guy. He'd had a history of a heart. attack, he had a story of throat. cancer. He was a veteran and. he basically said, I'm not going to. the hospital. Cause normally if. somebody walked to my office like. that, I'd call the ambulance and. say, hey, but I had to. allow him to potentially die in my. office, which was very scary. But, and I had a handful of people. like this. He wasn't the only one. So he sounds like he's on the brink.

Yeah, no, he was bad. But, you know, I had nurses that. could do IVs. So we gave him high-dose steroids. in the IV. We gave him antibiotics, breathing. treatments, high- dose IV vitamin C. We give him high dose ivermectin. And we brought him in every day as. an outpatient, because I didn't have. a hospital bed in my office. And he survived. And I had a lot like that. So it was very gratifying. I learned a lot. I mean, it was, I learned just. because somebody's oxygen saturation.

is low, they don't need to be. immediately put on a ventilator, which is the dogma. that we came into the pandemic with. But I think that dogma has changed, or at least I'm not in medicine, of. course, but for normal people, there is the sense that like stay. away from ventilators. I think, that's a fair. I- yeah, I mean I can see why. doctors did it initially. I get it yeah. Because, you know, if somebody's. struggling to breathe, that's a. really scary, distressful. feeling for a patient when you. can't get enough oxygen, it's.

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the hospital seven times and I. know well childbirth as of. As a physician? Oh, well childbirth, yeah. As a. patient, as a patient. one of them, I was really sick. I mean, I had pneumonia and sepsis, and I'm very grateful to the people. who helped me. And this is from the flu. And I had gotten a flu shot, by the. way. But now, like you said, I mean everybody is terrified to. go to the hospital. I mean, the. hospital used to be the place you. go. Pete Slauson Of course. Jennifer McLaughlin The safe place. That's. where you go, you're going to save. my life.

And now, people are terrified. to the hospital. And so, you know, our current. administration needs If. they don't do anything, that's a. big problem because the. trust has just been destroyed. Do you see that with your patient? Oh, yeah, that's the most common. question I get is, where should I. go if I need to go to the hospital? And I don't have a great answer for. them. You know, your best bet is just keep. yourself healthy. I mean, the biggest thing people. can do is keep themselves. healthy. Manage your diet, manage your.

stress, get enough sleep, exercise, get enough sun, and. just stay out of the hospital. But keeping your weight under. control is probably number one. Is it really? Because you gain weight, you're more susceptible to. infection, you are more susceptible. to heart disease, you more. susceptible cancer, and those. are the big three. And you have to buy new clothes, which is unacceptable. Yep. You don't want to buy any clothes.

Right, well, but, you know, if. you lose weight, you have to put, I've, so I did carnivore for six. months and I. had to buy a whole new wardrobe. I'm speaking as a man, you can't buy. new clothes. You can't? No. Why? Not a lot, it's against the. rules. Oh, oh. I can't find your clothes. That's what keeps me in line. Just, sorry. Really good, but it worked that. well. I weigh now what I weighed in high. school. I never thought I'd get to. that point. I did it for six months. and it's.

not for everybody, but I will say. it's a lot safer than Ozempic. and Mon Giorno. And it's very simple. I mean, you basically eliminate all. carbohydrates from your diet and you. just eat meat and. and you snack on bacon. I mean, it's crazy. And you're like shedding pounds. It's boring, but it's simple. You don't count calories. You don' get hungry. I mean you do go through the sugar. withdrawal. Sugar's very addictive. You think?

What do you think of fasting? Yeah, I tried the intermittent. fasting. It did not work for me. I've heard that for women, it's. not as effective. I worry that it slows down. metabolism, but I have never tried. it, and I know people swear by it. So you don't have a good answer on. the hospital question, I notice. Oh, how to fix. that. No, like, what do you do if you get. sick? Like, your answer was. don't get sick.

Well, if you have to go to the. hospital, be prepared. Have somebody with you. There is a patient bill of rights. You have rights in the hospital. Make sure you know those rights. I haven't noticed them. Yeah, they don't advertise. them. Why do doctors patronize patients? Oh, yeah, so that that's a bit in. its inf-. What is that? Treating them like children? Well, when I started. 20, 23 years ago, patients didn't have a lot of access. to information, not like they have. now. So, we were in charge.

We were definitely in charge, because we had the information, and. patients really, unless they had. textbooks, they didn't it, because. it wasn't, we didn't have online. information. And now, I mean, patients are well informed. And so every conversation I. have with a patient. I know that they have been. researching and they have a lot of. information at their disposal, and I think a lot doctors don't like. that. I embrace it because, I mean, I learn from my patients, and if a patient finds something, I.

will dig into it, because I don't. have time to dig into all of. everything, right? And you see weird. things, and I like it, but I think that doctors. don' t like that, it's. it's a power thing and. I mean, it can be frustrating on the. flip side. If you feel like you. really know what's going on and. you're challenged by something, somebody's read on the internet, that can be fascinating. But it's, yeah, the doctors. just don't, it's.

a power thing and an ego thing. mostly. That was my suspicion. So what did you end up thinking. of the shot, the. COVID shot? It's horrible. It needs to be pulled. off the market. It should have been pulled off the. market a long time ago. I looked at my patients. in the two years following the. rollout of the COVID shots, and 7%. of my new patients were coming to. see me for severe injuries. I've never seen anything like it. with any other product on the. market." If this were an antibiotic.

and you were seeing all these side. effects, it would have been yanked. off a long time ago." Normally, the FDA will put a black box warning. on a if there have been five. deaths. they will pull it off the market if. there have been 50. Well, according to VAERS, which VAERS is Vaccine Adverse. Event Reporting System, and it's vastly under-reported, which I have seen firsthand because-. But it's been in place for 50 years. or something. I mean, it's. longitudinal, so we can see the.

response to all these different. medications, right? According to VAERS, there have been. 38,000 deaths from these. COVID shots. So under normal circumstances, the FDA would have pulled it. Instead, they've doubled down. They've put the shots on the. childhood vaccine schedule. All babies are expected to get three. COVID shots by the time they're nine. months old. The shots are still under EUA. status for this age group. So under 12, they're not even fully.

approved by the FDA, and yet they're. on the vaccine schedule And. according to the CDC, 9 million. American children have gotten the. latest version of these COVID shots. Actually? Yes, yes. Still? Yes, 9,000,000. 12%. The concern. I have with these kids. So we know Meier-Karna. This is going on right now? Yes. I think we voted against this. I don't know.

You're very diplomatic. But I'm just stunned to learn that. that's happening right now. Could this be shut down? it should have been shut down a long. time ago. And, you know, what's the... Nine million babies have had. COVID shots? Yeah, well, children, minors. Is it compulsory? It's still compulsory in some. states, yes, in some businesses,

not in Texas. So, Texas actually passed a law. outlawing mandates. for COVID shots, but. I actually reached out to people on. Twitter yesterday and. they said, all these people said, yeah, it's still requiring shots for. jobs or a nursing. program or. even transplants. So we're gonna let you die unless. you get this shot. How could we fix.

that? Well, the shots need to be pulled. off the market immediately. Who could do that? could do that. The FDA. So, Marty McCarey, he could do that. And then we need accountability. I mean, we need, we can't. sweep this under the rug because. we will never restore that trust. And that's the key thing is if. nothing happens, it's just a. festering wound and.

the trust will never come. back. Are there any indications that this. is coming soon? i mean i'm not privy to. conversations in the government. I think you'd probably follow this. as closely as anybody. There's so much going on, so I'm. gonna just plead ignorance on that. basis. There's like a lot, multiple wars and the economy. and there's just a lot to distract. you from this question, but I think. it's a really important question, but you are focused on it. Have you seen any sign. at all that these.

products, which according to the. self-reporting system VAERS, have. killed 38,000 people that they're. gonna be pulled off the market? I have not. I mean, it seems to me that HHS, their focus now has shifted, or I don't know, their focus is. on food. and food quality and. improving that. And I haven't heard a word. about COVID or the COVID shots. Not, I mean, and maybe I've missed.

something, but that's, I'm just reading what you're. reading. I mean I don't. Food is like smoking and. I love bad food and I love smoking. I don't smoke anymore but I. loved it and I'll just say. that and I hate me for it but it's. just true. That's why people do it. because they love it. And I love pizza. I Don't think I ever smoked a. cigarette. I think I've ever eaten a. slice of pizza without knowing it. was bad for me. Yeah exactly it's common sense. It is common sense I mean I do think. like we shouldn't allow.

food stamps or SNAP to be used for. Coca-Cola. Okay obviously. There are changes you can make for. sure, but like, you. know when you're eating garbage, that's why we call it garbage. I'm 55, they called it that in 1975. They'd be like, ooh, you're junk. food. You know what junk food is. It's the delicious stuff. So like, I'm not, I mean, I think it's important. I do think. eating right is. important and I try. Not gonna eat any freaking. vegetables though, but whatever.

But like. The COVID stuff seems, the. shot seems like an. imminent threat. Yes. And my concern, giving it to babies, because. myocarditis... I think that you're positive that's. actually happening. Babies are getting this. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, definitely. You can find it on the CD. I trust you. I trust you it's freaking me out, I. didn't know that. Yeah, that's why we can't let this. just go away. Babies, so myocarditis. We know there's an increased risk.

of myocariditis in teenage boys. who take these shots. We don't know what that risk is. for nonverbal babies. because the symptom is. chest pain. So a baby, the baby could. be getting myocartitis and we have. no idea. Myocardias can leave a scar on. the heart. And then years later, the heart is permanently. Right, you're playing lacrosse and. you drop. And that's my big concern. These babies could be getting.

myocarditis, and we have no idea. Do you believe that. those shots are responsible for. permanent immune system damage? I think, well, what I have been. looking at is spike protein antibody. levels. So when you get a vaccine, you can, traditionally we call. them titers. So like people who. get hepatitis B vaccine, you. can look at the titers, the antibody. levels, and see if you have. protection. We do that in the hospital a.

lot. So they wanna make sure if you work. in the hospital, if you get stuck by. a needle, you're not gonna get. hepatite B. So I started looking at these spike. protein antibody levels and it's. alarming because the people, I can. tell immediately if somebody had the. shot. And in the vaccinated, these. antibody levels are, I did an. average last night, 13,000. And the unvaccinated average is a. thousand. So there's huge. discrepancy. And this is years after the shot? Yeah, years after. And these people, most of these.

people have gotten two, maybe three. Nobody's gotten more than that. And none of these people have been. sick recently with COVID. So it's very alarming to me. It suggests, I mean, we don't know, but it suggests that spike. protein is still active. and still replicating possibly. in the body. I mean the mRNA in these shots. is not mRNA. It's a synthetic mRNA. and it was, it was made. to avoid degradation,

so it's made to stay. in the body. That was the purpose of. it, of modifying it. So when I see these levels like. this, it really concerns. me that we have an issue with. this ongoing spike protein in the. body. What are the consequences of that, do you think? Well, I think cancer is a big. concern. I think immune dysfunction. How would that affect cancer? Well, the spike protein is. oncogenic.

Your Shunxing talked. about that. So viruses can be oncogenic, it appears that the spike protein, the mRNA shots have SV40. in it, which is an oncogenic. virus. There's something called frame. shifting. So, when the mRNA is. in production, is integrating... that it can produce new proteins. just by little mistakes that. happen. So these new proteins,

we don't know what they are, but. they can cause autoimmune disease. and possibly cancer. as well. There's just a lot unknowns. I mean, we need a test to. detect spike protein. All we have now is antibody test. we really need a lot more, we need an antidote. We need, I mean, I am struggling. because I have all these injured. people and I usually start with. ivermectin and ivermectin helps, it binds to spike protein and it's. anti-inflammatory.

But we're really limited and we need. a solution. So we need the NIH to really. dig into this and help. these injured patients because. they're very challenging. and we're sort of just. experimenting because we don't know. And they're not helping? I would say, I mean, I get, you know, I've tried a lot of things. and the thing that works the best is. ivermectin. But it's slow going, it's, you, I usually put people on. for a long period of time before.

saying, okay, this is not going to. work. And it's just hard because. we, you now, there's just not, we need the NIH to step. up and help us. Time for another True Life Alp. story. I got a call from a friend of. mine yesterday, honestly, true. story, who said his girlfriend had. just broken up with him over Alp. He wouldn't stop. And I thought to myself, that's kind. of sad. And he said, no, it's not. sad. Imagine if I'd married her. Now I know.

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we use for distribution is YouTube, which in general has been great, actually, if I'm being honest, a lot. less censorship than I. got in any television job I ever. had. So we're really grateful. to YouTube. I never thought I'd say. that. But the one area where we get. censored by YouTube is when we talk. about the COVID shot, which I think is really interesting. So this will probably be censored on. YouTube. but I just wanna ask. you, but you're a physician. clinical physician, you're treating.

people, thousands. of people. And so I feel like I have to ask you. this, tell us about the injuries you. are seeing. So, I don't get the. sudden, you know, collapse myocarditis, stroke sort of situation because I'm. outpatient. The Soccer Players. Right, I see the, yeah, it varies, but I've seen some very strange. rashes that don't go away. with steroids and antihistamines.

and have actually... or kind of like rashes. Like bumpy, red, splotchy. I mean, I had this poor kid, 15. years old, it was all over his face, all over this body, and he responded. so well to ivermectin. That was a great case. So, are you sure that was. Vax-related? Yeah, it came on right. I mean, he had no prior history. He's 15. It came on right after the COVID. shots. I see POTS. So POTs is when.

the blood pressure drops. suddenly or goes up. real high suddenly for no clear. trigger and your pulse may. be erratic as well. That's been a big thing with the. COVID patients. That's very. difficult to fix. I've seen a lot of neurological. Can I ask what does POTS stand for? postural orthostatic. syncope. I don't understand a single word of.

that. I probably shouldn't have. asked you, but like, what are its. effects? So you feel faint, so you may just be standing there. and your blood pressure drops, or your pulse goes. up way high and you feel like you're. having a panic attack, that sort of. thing. So it's symptomatic changes in your. blood pressure that occur without. any kind of trigger. What? I mean, that sounds like it. could be dangerous. Yeah, yeah. It's very hard to treat. So I see a lot of that. I've seen neurological tremors.

Oh, come on. Oh yeah, yeah, no, no. Tremors? I've saw a patient a little bit. older than me, CEO of. a company, he came in and he. gave me his business card and he. said, Hi, I'm this so-and-so, and he's, and then he gave me his. other card and go, and this is the. biggest mistake I've ever made in my. life. He gave me his vaccine card. Very difficult to, I mean, we've gotten a little bit of. improvement, but just, you. know, in a lot of fatigue. Hand Tremors? Whole body, his whole body.

No way. Yeah. Even when he sleeps? It's got to affect every part of. your life. A lot of these patients. say they feel a lot of burning, like pins and needles, when they. sleep, which is typical with neuropathy. That sounds like a life destroyer. No, yeah. It's bad. And they don't just, it's not like. giving them an antibiotic and a week. later, they're better. These are chronic conditions.

And the government's not helping. So, you know, Brianne Dressen. of React 19. I don't know if she, so React 19 is. an organization started to help the. injured with the COVID shots. The head of that organization was. involved in the AstraZeneca trial. So she was a, she volunteered. to be a guinea pig and she got. injured. government just came out and said. they're not going to help her. They're not gonna give her any kind. of financial reimbursement. No, maybe a week or two ago.

I don't understand, like we didn't. vote for this at all. I mean, the government was, in her case, she was part of the. clinical trials, you said. But everybody else, not including me and you, took it because we were. subject to the biggest propaganda. campaign in American history. So we were forced by the government. to take it.

By the way, why aren't the companies. paying these people? Companies have no. liability risk with these. products. And the PREP Act even further. protects them. When was the PrEP Act passed? It is not, it. does not expire until 2029. And so under the prep act, they're. even more shielded. anything that happened, anything. that's designated as a. countermeasure is protected. So anything that happens in the. hospitals, anything happens from.

these shots, it's. all protected from liability. There is one really. monumental lawsuit. going on that could change that. Brooke Jackson is a whistleblower. for Pfizer, and she was involved in. the research. So she was at the. clinical trial sites, she was the. manager, and she would have seen all. sorts of issues with the way they. were conducting the trial.

And she brought that to. the company's attention, she brought. to the FDA's attention and she. fired. So she has been in this. gigantic legal battle against. Pfizer for a long. time now. I think we're going on. four years. And unfortunately, and this was. during Biden, the DOJ stepped. in and. basically said, no, you can't. sue Pfizer. It's crazy. You can't Sue Pfizer? Of course! You can't sue Pfizer! The DOJ stuck up for.

Pfizer, which is not usually how. that works. I'm surprised he didn't arrest her. for complaining. Exactly. This has got to be making it pretty. radical. It doesn't seem very radical to me. Seems like common sense. You don't seem like a radical. person, but this makes me feel. radical. So neurological symptoms, and. you're pretty convinced those are. also from. You look at, okay, what was their. past history? Do they have any issues?

Were they otherwise healthy? And then when did these things start. happening? And the timeline, and then. the other thing is they typically go. to other doctors. and they get the million dollar. workup and they can't find anything. to explain it. And the doctors are. baffled. They put them on psychiatric. medications. Not really. Oh yeah, I saw one patient on. a sleeping pill, a benzodiazepine, and an antidepressant. SSRI.

Why do we have so many mass shooters. in this country? I don't know. It's baffling. That's shocking. So they used to, I mean, in. just American culture, they used. make fun of 19th century medical. cures for hysteria. You know, it was always like, you. know, the Victorian medical. cusers, and one would have a. problem, they'd be like, here's a. giant vibrator, or, do you know. what I mean? Like, literally they. made that. Like, it's all in your head, honey, calm down.

And that was like a trope. And, and I was hardly. a feminist, but I was kind of. sympathetic to that. Like don't, don't just like dismiss. people. You know what I mean? Tell them they're hysterical. But that's, that's what you're. describing. I mean, yes. They don't get reported to VAERS. I've had to report every single. patient that came to see. me for an injury. I was the one, even though they'd. seen multiple other doctors, it was. me that had to reported to the. VAERS, so I know it's. under-reported. Verus is one of those things,

I love the idea of Verus. I remember reading the VAERS. report in 2021. when I worked in. television, and just going on one. night and reading it, like, here's what's been reported from. this compound that people are. being forced to take, and. man, I got so attacked by, you know, the Atlantic magazine and. everybody, it's like, no, this is a. federal reporting system. And that was kind of the last I ever. heard of VAERS, like no one ever.

mentions it, Like what's. the point of having it if it's like. irrelevant? Yeah, it's not subtle. If you look on there, you don't have. to have a degree in statistics to. understand what's going on. I mean, it is like nothing is. happening and then whoosh, you know, just... Especially since it was in. place during the rollout of a bunch. of other vaccines, like. going a long way back. So it's like, you know, measles, rubella, you. Right. COVID! Exactly. Right? I don't have any degree and I.

could, I could understand that. So does that, do you ever hear. federal officials make reference to. theirs? I don't know. Not to my knowledge. I mean, I could have missed that, but no. So the idea there seems to be the. people are complaining again they. need to shut up. Apparently. It's one more thing. being swept under the rug. Um, okay. So you've told a much sadder. story than I expected to hear. Um, are you concerned.

that because the technology. in these shots was, you know, brand new, never deployed. before at scale anyway, is that. correct? Right. Um, and the, you know, the trials for these drugs. were like, I think we can say it's. fair to say a joke. that there are consequences that. like haven't manifest yet. Yeah, it's hard to get up-to-date. cancer numbers, but I'm hearing. all sorts of things. Why is it hard to get up to date.

cancer numbers? That's a good question. We're in the middle of a cancer. moonshot, doctor. There's probably people that have. access to that data, but publicly, it's hard, and so. I have to rely. I don't see a ton of cancer in my. practice, but I do have friends at. MD Anderson, and they said they've. never seen anything like it. The young people coming in. with very advanced tumors, I think that's what we have to be. worried about now.

Can I ask, you've made reference. like five times to numbers. and the difficulty in getting. numbers. I don't understand why, I mean, I. understand why the identity of. patients is shielded by federal. law. That seems reasonable to me for. privacy reasons. But, you know, just. the fact that someone has this or. that disease with. no identifying markers connected, like that seems like it should be. public information, how is that not? Why is there so much secrecy around. medical data? Yeah. The data itself.

It could be there could be an agenda. behind it. It could just be a total. inefficiency of the bureaucracy. It's hard to say. But yeah, it'd be. nice if we could have more data. Well, isn't that essential to. science? Yeah, it is, but, you know, it's also, I guess, it's complicated in. some degrees to get it all out. there, but... Yeah, transparency would be,

even aside. from the cancer numbers, I mean, like I said with COVID, there are all these hospitals that. had so much data at their disposal. and didn't share it. It'd be nice to see, you know, Houston Methodist come out and share. their data with us since they. were the first, they led the way. with the mandates. It would be nice to see how. successful that effort was. for their employees and for their. patients. Can a lawsuit force that?

I actually sued them to get that. data. Man, you are ferocious. But I lost, I lost. I'm what crowns? I don't know. It's just political grounds, I. think. I sued to get their financial. data because as a non-profit, they. are supposed to give it to you if. somebody from the public wants to. know. This is what they get in exchange. for not paying property taxes. But there was some technicality. I don't understand really why we.

lost, but we did. We even appealed and we lost on. appeal. Do you think that. COVID, clearly there's. been no reckoning. You've not been recognized. for your bravery impressions. You called it and you. should be rewarded for that. You haven't been, likely never will. be. So there's so much about it. The shots are still being given to. babies. That's my takeaway from this. conversation. There's no effort to pull.

this stuff from the market. 38,000 deaths later. There's no recourse the average. person has. You can't afford to hire lawyers and. you can't sue the companies that. make these products and you cancel. the government officials that force. you to take these products. Like everything about it is just. pure or a well. So that's the downside and it's. like crushing actually to hear all. of this from you. Didn't expect to hear this. What are the upsides? Like people are more aware.

Do you see medicine in. the United States getting better now. that People who are paying attention. know what's up. I think people are feeling more. empowered, which is how they should. be. I mean, they're not listening to. the government for their health care. decisions anymore. I think, people have learned from. that mistake and, you know, I. haven't lost all hope. I'm grateful. You know, there was. a time where I couldn't even, I was. banned from Twitter. I don't know if you were, but.

you know we are, free speech is. coming back. I wouldn't. I wouldn't, I mean they couldn't. ban me from Twitter, so they didn't. Yeah, yeah. but they could. ban much more. informed, plus how am I a. threat? I'm just some random talk. show host with an opinion. The people they wanna ban are the. people who are telling the. informed truth, the. physicians who are treating. thousands of COVID patients. Like you're the threat, not me. BWAH BWAAH.

I'm a doctor, I'm reasonable person, I am not political, here's what I'm. learning, they have to ban you. Right, right. Well, and you know, we're making, hey, I'm grateful to. you for having me on here, because. this is old news to most. people, right? And, you know we just need to keep. speaking out. We just need, to keep, I mean my foot is on the pedal, you. know, even though there is no. pandemic anymore, but. we must just keep. pounding away at this. Well, it sounds like indications. suggest, I mean, I don't want to.

overstate anything, but it feels. like the consequences. are still rippling. And I don t know why there's not an. organized effort to find out, you. know, our cancer rates spiking. We eliminated cigarette smoking, which was supposedly the main driver. of cancer. I was there for all that. They beat me into quitting, which is. fine, you smoking is bad, I got it. But like cancer went up. Mm-hmm. So like, at some point I would say, stop. You told me this, the opposite. happened, let's talk about why.

Not attacking you, but like. I demand an answer. And I don't know why, how hard is. that to get some statistician at NIH. or wherever, HHS, to tell me what's happening with. cancer rates and pediatric cancer. rates especially, because that's. like crazy town. I think, yeah, the money is. there for the treatment, not. for the cause, right? So it is, you know, there's lots of money, it's just. going to. Well, that doesn't make any sense. How can you recommend treatment.

without knowing its effect? You can't make a wise decision. without all the facts, as. we say. Right, but this is not, I mean, this. is financially driven. So if you're in it to. make money, you're gonna go after. the treatment, not the cause. very cynical about medical care. Investing a lot. Would you have gone into this if you. had known?

I'm sorry, not to get you to. re-evaluate your life. It's been very difficult, but it's. been impactful. In some ways, I'm glad. it happened. It's been very educational. I have hope that it will change. It may take another generation, but COVID should be. the wake-up call. The seeds were there before COVID,

but COVID brought it all out. there and hopefully. Yeah, we could actually learn from. it and change course. You said you got a flu shot, and. then you went up in the hospital. with pneumonia and sepsis. I'm certain not to laugh at your. illness, but you got flu shot. I've never had a flu-shot because. I'm lazy, but you clearly believe, you know, you would have got it. You're a doctor, you wouldn't have gotten it unless you. thought it was efficacious.

So you got one. Has what you've seen over the past. five years changed your view of. other vaccine courses? Yeah. I mean, what I've realized is. I made a lot of assumptions about. vaccines. It was, you know, the gospel. according to vaccines when I was in. training. There was no questioning. it. It was just accepted fact. They were safe and effective. And COVID made me realize, well, hold on, let's see how they. were tested. And they have not been. tested like other products on.

the market. So, they don't have. placebo-controlled trials. No, not like the other. products on the market, and they. don't have liability protection. So the companies are not motivated. They don't have liability exposure. Yes, sorry. Yes. So the companies are not. motivated. There's no repercussion if something. goes wrong. And there's no reason for to spend a. lot of money to ensure that it's. safe. So now, yeah, I have questions about. all of them. Now, I will say I'm not seeing the.

carnage from flu. shot that I've seen with the. COVID shot. I think there's a. different degree of danger there. uh... but it does make me question. at all and if you look at the the. flu shot in fact has never been. shown to decrease hospitalization. or death and people to get the flu. shots and actually making. more susceptible to other. viruses uh... and you can treat it so and. I had a child who was badly injured. by the flu vaccine. Oh, wow.

For me, that was one of the drivers. in not... I mean, when it happened, it was. almost 20 years ago, I had no idea. that vaccine... I never thought. the vaccines could hurt anybody. Never even in my mind. I thought they were like one of the. great miracles of science. I was so proud that we. developed the polio vaccine, which. I'm not against, but I didn't know. that they had potential. downsides. And that's one of the reasons I was. like a little slow to want it.

But anyway, what would you do? So it sounds like you're not like. against vaccines, but from. what you just said, the system. around vaccines does not. put patient safety. at the forefront of concern. Right. So how would you. change that? Well, remove their liability. protection, require them. to go through the process. Do you have liability. protection? Do I? Yeah. No, no. I don't. Actually, yeah.

I don't either! Ha ha ha ha! Um... You know, we need that. Yeah, yeah, it'd be nice. It would be awesome. You just can't sue me. I'm such a good person. What I do is so important to the. commonweal that you literally can't. Sue me. Exactly. That would be great. Sorry, excuse me. Yeah, so let me just make them go. through the process any other. product has to go through. It's not very complicated. So that's the first thing you'd do. Why isn't that happening?

Apparently, when this, it was in 1986 when. Reagan put the act in place, I guess there were two companies. that almost got just. decimated financially because of all. the kickback, the lawsuits. That should have been a warning. sign. Yeah, I mean, I obviously hate. lawyers. I've never sued anybody. I don't think I ever will. I really hate lawyers, quite. as much as doctors, but in that. range, okay?

So I'm against lawsuits too. I get it, I totally get it. Some of the tort awards are insane. and all of that stuff. But I also think it's. fair if someone keeps getting sued. for the same thing, like if I get a sexual harassment. suit for political reasons, if I got eight of them. Like, maybe I'm gro-. Whooping people, right? Is that fair? Yeah, that's fair. As an empiricist, you agree with?

Yes, I am on board with that. So last question. What are you going to do now that. this is all over? Like how are you, other than. treating patients, how are you as a. formerly politically disengaged. person spending your time? I try to get away from it all as. much as I can and. that's what I would advise anybody. is just find something, a hobby. that gets you away from things and. get outside as much as you can. I'm probably going. to slow down my practice a little.

bit just to give myself some. breathing room and I still have. four boys in high school. So, but. I will continue to speak out. and... I may do a podcast, I don't know what I'm going to do, but the fight's not over. Thank you, doctor, I really. appreciate it. That was great.