Dr. Ben Carson: The Left’s Worship of Kamala Harris, and God’s Mission for Donald Trump

What do you think, um, would happen if. Kamala Harris got elected president? All the things that we see happening, you can put those on steroids. Of. course, a lot of it will be driven by. the media who will try to make her seem. like, you know, she's a second coming of. Christ. You do know Donald Trump very well. I know him very well. When did you meet and when did you. decide you liked him? The first time we met was at Mar-a-Lago. But then you ran against each other in. the Republican primaries. During the campaign, you know, we talked.

and I told him. that God chose him, that he was going to. win. You know, there were a whole bunch. of us running. I said, "You're going to win because God. is going to use you to help save our. country.". And, uh, he did.

What do you think of Kamala Harris? Uh, I think she is a politician. Yeah. And, uh, she's interested in the. accumulation of power and control. Do you think she believes in anything? Uh, I think she believes in government. like most Marxist. Yes. I think she is a Marxist. Do you think that she can win?

Absolutely. She can win. This is This is. going to be a great test. of the power of the media. to take someone. who formerly was universally. disliked. and transform them into a god-like. figure. And they will use everything that they. have to try to do that. The question is, are the American people smart enough.

to see through it? And I actually think the American people. are smarter than anybody gives them. credit for. And I don't think that they are going to. be willing. to sacrifice what we have in this. country. which is what everybody else wants. Even. though they try to denigrate our. country, say we're systemically racist, we're unfair to people. If we were all. that bad, why are all these people. trying to get in here? And why aren't. people trying to get out of here? So, we. know that we have something that's very. good. And I think the American people.

realize that and they're not willing to. give that up and trade that for. something inferior. Were you surprised? Um. it's interesting that you said the media. are the key for Kamala Harris. Were you. surprised how quickly the media pivoted. from. basically forcing Joe Biden out of his. job to adoring and worshipping Kamala. Harris? Uh no, that didn't surprise me at all.

Uh because I've been watching the media. uh for a number of years. I. and I see how they. they're like a flock of birds. Have you ever noticed that a large flock. of birds and they all turn at the same. time and they all go and you say, "How. in the world are they doing that? They. they almost have this cohesive. communication.". And uh. they work together. I I accused uh. one of the media of that uh.

about a week ago and they said, "How can. you say that about us?". Then I started talking about how they. used the same language within minutes of. the time that something comes out. Is it. just a coincidence that they use the. same language and the same phrases? They had to admit that there probably It. some. degree of cooperative. work going on there. Do you think that there's coordination.

or it's a conspiracy of shared instinct? They're all They all have the same world. view. Uh. both. I think both of those things are. going on. But there's no question. that they have lost their. original intent. The The media, the press, is the only. business that's protected by the. Constitution. And there was a reason for that. It's. because they were supposed to. disseminate unbiased information to the. people.

so that the people. could determine what their will was. because the country was supposed to be. run on the will of the people. Now, you know, the Europeans thought we. were crazy. They said, "You can't have a. nation that's run on the will of the. people. You have to have a monarch. You. have to have a ruling body.". Um but we have demonstrated for a very. long time. that we can. run on the will of the people, but that. is being distorted significantly because.

the press. has, instead of deciding to disseminate. unbiased information, they have decided. to put their thumb on the scale and to. push a certain agenda, which, when you think about it, makes. little sense because the agenda that. they're pushing. is more of a socialist, Marxist, Zionist. agenda. Well, what do socialists. and Marxists do when they get in power? They control the media. It's almost the.

first thing that they do. Yes. So, they're digging their own grave. How responsible do you think media. coverage is for Trump getting shot? There is no question that they poison. the atmosphere by saying, you know, he's. like Hitler and he's going to destroy. democracy. and is. sort of Satan incarnate.

You know, when you have people who. perhaps. are. not fully capable of controlling. themselves, they can easily be influenced by that. kind of activity. And it's just wrong. Now, I would quickly hasten. that it's done on on all sides in the. political arena. You know, spending time demonizing other.

people. um because somehow they think that that. helps and it does help for some people. Wouldn't it be amazing if we could. actually discuss the issues? Yes. Um what are the policies that actually. impact people's lives? If we could spend nearly. as much time on that as we do talking. about each other and denigrating each. other, I think we could make some real. progress. And I think we might actually find.

that there's more agreement than you. think there is. I'd say 80% of issues your most radical. left-wing or right-wing people would. probably agree on. But we take that 10. to 20% and we magnify it and we make it. the biggest issue. uh to the point that people hate each. other. What do you think um would happen if. Kamala Harris got elected president? Um.

I think. we would continue to move in a very. leftist direction. I mean, she was the most radical. left-wing member of the Senate. She was even to the left of Bernie. Sanders. Uh. she was co-sponsor of the green new. energy deal. Um you know, she wants Medicaid. for everybody, mandatory,

no private insurance. Uh as the DA, uh she was the one who. basically didn't want to punish people. uh who were guilty of horrendous crimes. and repeat offenders. And she wanted open borders. And all the things that we see. happening, you can put those on steroids. if she becomes the president. And I hope people will go back and look.

at her record. Uh don't just listen to. pleasant words. that will be interspersed with uh. ridiculous laughter. But uh go back and actually look at what. she. what she did and what she has said. And. I think. people will remember why she got no. traction at all. uh when she was running for president. I'm really struck by that. I'm I'm. struck by. how little popular support she's ever.

had, ever. So now, according to some polls, she's the Well, she's the sitting vice president, but. she's the frontrunner. in this race. Um how did how did that happen in a. country that's supposed to be. run by its people, that's. a representative democracy. It's. Well, I mean, you talk about a threat to. democracy. when the votes of. 14 million people. are just tossed into the wastebasket.

and a bunch of uh backroom politicians. make decisions. about the primary votes. Right. Uh. then we end up with somebody. uh. who on their own merits would never have. been in that position. Uh that's a real problem. And uh there are consequences for doing. things like that. You know, the reason. that our country accelerated from a. bunch of ragtag militiamen to the. pinnacle of the world because we had a.

process. And it worked well, and it reflected the. will of the people. When you throw that out, you can't. anticipate that things will continue to. go smoothly. They won't. And uh you know, we've just thrown a big. kink in the whole thing, and uh. hopefully the American people will. correct it. You know, I think our founders were. very, very smart people. And they studied every single.

governmental system that had ever. existed in the history of the world. And. they were eclectics. They extracted the good things, and they. excluded the bad things. But one of the things that they noticed. when they studied all of these. governments. is that all governments move in the same. direction. Regardless of how they start, regardless. of how lofty their ideals are, they grow, they infiltrate, and they. dominate. And they wanted to give us a government.

that wouldn't do that. Would that would. leave the people free and in charge. And. that's why they worked so hard. And as. you. as you know, it was very raucous, and. there were a lot of different opinions. about how to do that. And in the last. uh convention in Philadelphia, constitutional convention, the whole. thing was about to dissolve. Everybody go their separate ways, and. elder statesman Benjamin Franklin, 81.

years old, said, "Stop. Gentlemen, let's get down on our knees. and let's ask God for wisdom.". And they prayed and they got up and they. resolved their differences. and gave us the Constitution, which I. believe is a God-inspired document. But. if we neglect it, if we don't adhere to it, then we will suffer the consequences. And that's what the battle is right now. The the battle that's going on in this.

election, it's not about Democrats and. Republicans. It's about people who want a country. that is of, for, and by the people. and people who want a government that is. of, for, and by the government. That's. what this is about. So, if you were in charge of Donald. Trump's campaign, is that what you'd run on? I would run on that and I would run on. policies. I would not run on. personalities.

Uh, you know, that's a distraction. It's very tempting with Kamala Harris. Uh, it is tempting, but you know, much. more tempting to me. is uh. trying to make sure that uh we show the. contrast between those two systems. because they are very different. You. know, one of them. will create a situation where the. workers. control their own lives, control their.

own budgets. And one of them is a situation where you. turn everything over to the government, including your hard-earned wages, Yes. and they decide what to do with them. Do you know Kamala Harris? No, I've uh never met her. You do know Donald Trump very well. I know him very well. When did you meet and when did you. decide you liked him? The first time we met was at Mar-a-Lago.

And uh. this was maybe about 10 years ago. It. was before either of us got into the. political arena. And uh we were just enjoying each. other's company. And someone says, "Right, Stewie just. came in." He said, "I don't care. This. is Ben Carson." I knew what kind of. person he was at that point. And uh you. know, my my whole family was with me, my. mother. And you know, it was uh. Easter program.

And he just made sure that we were. comfortable and that we were taken care. of, especially wanted to make sure my. mother was comfortable. Uh and there were all kind of. celebrities and and and important people. walking around and. he was just trying to make sure that we. were comfortable. And that's the kind of person he is. I. noticed, you know, the the workers, the people who serve the meals, the. people who park the cars. He knows those. people.

Yeah, he knows their names, he knows. their families. The same thing at Trump. Towers. uh when I went there. Uh. and he seems to be a a genuinely caring. person. It it didn't take long before, you know, he knew my family, knew their names. Uh. he's just that kind of person as opposed. to the very superficial politicians who. are always playing to the cameras. and uh couldn't care less about you once.

you got out of the camera range. You've seen that, too? Oh, I've seen that many times. Absolutely. But then you ran against each other in. the Republican primaries. And it didn't seem to. to wreck your relationship. No, uh well, we discovered pretty early. on in the process. uh that we were very compatible. And you know, I. was not a person who really particularly. wanted to be president.

Uh. you know, I I ran because there was so. much insistence. that I run after I gave the presidential. uh. keynote. for the presidential prayer breakfast. And I had over 500,000 petitions in my. office. There people every place I went. with signs, "Run, Ben, run.". And you know, I really didn't want to do. it, but. there was just so much pressure. I just said to the Lord, "Uh if you.

really want me to do this, you got to give me all the stuff a. person who runs for president has, a. Rolodex with all the important names, a lot of money, an organization.". And I said, "I don't have any of those. things, nor do I intend to. to develop them.". The next thing I knew, they were all. there. And our organization was raising more. money in a month than the RNC. It was incredible. But um. during the campaign, you know, we. talked.

And I told him. that God chose him, that he was going to. win. You know, there were a whole bunch of us. running. I said, "You're going to win because God. is going to use you to help save our. country.". And uh he did. Uh uh how did you foresee that? Because I I knew the kind of policies. that he espoused. and that those were the things that were. needed to turn our country around. They. were the same things that I was thinking.

about. The difference was. he wanted to do it and I didn't. So, that's why I endorsed him so quickly. when I dropped out. What did he say when you told him you. believed God had chosen him to save the. country? What was his response? Uh I don't remember his his. words, but he was kind of. taken aback. that that I would say that. And he reminds me of that very. frequently. And I think he's really thinking about.

it since the assassination attempt. Uh recognizing that. he's there for a specific reason. And uh. you know, I had a hard time when I. dropped out. uh convincing my followers to go with. him. I got a lot of calls, particularly. from the evangelical leaders. You know, and I just said. no. Don't be swayed by all the noise.

Look at the policies that this man is. putting forth. because we have to save our country. and think about all the people who. preceded us and the sacrifices they. made. We can't throw it all away. And we've got to be able to overlook. some of the things that. the media's going to try to focus you. on. Those aren't the important things when. it comes to a leader. And I explained to them that you know,

this was a man who. made his way. in the real estate market in Manhattan. one of the toughest real estate markets. anywhere in the world. I said, you're not going to be. successful in that market. unless you're very tough. And uh. that means you may have some rough. edges. And we just have to recognize that and. be able to move beyond that. and see that this is a man whose.

policies. do you agree with those policies or do. you not? And uh several of the leaders then came. and started thinking in a different way. and we had a big evangelical. rally. You know, at first it was going to be like 50. pastors. It ended up being 2,000. And at that time, I think he realized.

that. boy, this is an incredible. block of people that we need to be. working with. So much poison now in our public square. And if you take almost all of it and. trace it to its roots, you will arrive. at the same place, the higher education. system in the United States. This is. coming out of our colleges and. universities, and it's not an accident. Radical professors and administrators. have transformed higher education in. this country into indoctrination.

factories specializing in teaching. anti-American, anti-human ideologies. That's not an overstatement. So instead. of encouraging civil debate in the. pursuit of truth, which was the point, universities teach students that they. should become social activists, deranged. social activists, and that's the highest. level of achievement. So instead of shaping American citizens. who defend their rights and are proud of. their heritage and keep the country. going and our civilization intact, universities instead celebrate global.

citizenship and promote contempt for the. achievements of the West, hatred of our. own civilization. Instead of teaching students to behold. nature and its undeniable God-created. beauty, they push anti-science nonsense. like transgenderism and climate panic. and the worship of public health. bureaucrats, dumbest of all. Most importantly, instead of providing. education that seeks transcendent truth, truth from God, universities teach students to reject.

the concept of the divine and think only. about themselves, institutionalized. narcissism. The results of this, of course, is sad. American universities, once the envy of. the world, have become hostile, mediocre. places. But, there's at least one college that. stands apart and has for 180 years. Hillsdale College has stayed true to its. original mission, even amidst of all. this chaos. Hillsdale was founded in 1844 by. patriotic abolitionist Christians. They.

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a deputy secretary for 8 months. And I didn't have any assistant. secretaries for 5 months. Because they were playing politics. Uh. didn't want to give me the people. Hoped. that maybe I would go away. But of course that just makes you more. determined to stay. Yeah. And once we got the right people in. place, it was wonderful. Uh you know, we were very much aligned. with the idea of getting rid of the. regulations when I was running for.

president. You know, I talked about. how that was the major cause of sluggish. economy. We had such so many. regulations. We got rid of over 2,000. regulations at HUD. Regulations and sub-regulations, which. made it much easier to get things done. And. of course, we had a situation you always. heard the stories about. the malfeasance, the fiscal problems. going on at HUD. You probably noticed a year and a half.

into the Trump administration, you never. heard those stories anymore. Because we were able. with uh. much cajoling. and arm-twisting. to get one of the former senior partners. at Ernst & Young. to come on. and uh really to to take on the. the whole HUD. uh organization. Which was difficult. He said in the. beginning, he said he looked at the.

books and he said uh Ernst & Young would. never have taken you guys as a client. No. But uh. Fearing criminal exposure. Exactly. But um. it was fixed and probably. is now the best run uh agency uh in. Washington, D.C. I I hope they haven't. destroyed it all by now. But it made it much easier to get things. done and it was easy to work with. President Trump because he realized what. we were doing.

Understood, you know, the business of of. real estate, of housing, and was a tremendous partner. in getting it done. Would you go back into a second Trump. administration? Um let me put it this way. I am fully. dedicated to helping to save our. country. And uh you know, there are a variety of. ways that that can be done and. I will be following the guidance from. the good Lord in terms of which is the. best way to do that.

So, Trump was getting more support from. African-Americans than any Republican. since Nixon, I think. Maybe even more than Nixon. Does. Kamala Harris change that? Uh there's no question that there will. be some people who will vote for her. just because of. the demographics that she represents. physically. Uh but I'm not sure it's going to. be as great as they think.

You know, when she was running for. president, she didn't get a large amount. of black support. And I know the media is going to do. everything to make her seem like. Martin Luther King in a different body, but. uh I think people. maybe are not going to be as easily. going to be manipulated as that. And I think uh Trump will continue to. attract a lot of people in the black. community. because his policies.

recognize that a rising tide lifts all. boats. And you know, I don't think black people are. particularly interested in having an. advantage over everybody else. They just. want a level playing field. Something. that works for everybody. And I think that's one of the reasons. that that Trump is attracting so much. attention. Kamala Harris wouldn't be an obvious.

kind of leader of African-Americans and. she's. you know, grew up in Canada, uh. had a Jamaican immigrant father and. Indian immigrant mother. Doesn't I mean, that it's not obvious. why she would be the choice of. African-Americans, I guess. No. It's it's the perceptions. Yeah. And of course a lot of it will be driven. by the media who will try to make her. seem like, you know, she's the second. coming of Christ.

But uh. I just don't think that that's going to. work in this particular case. Not to. mention the fact. that. in the past at least she has not been an. inspirational. individual. And. uh you know, her speeches have certainly. not been the kind that would have people. fired up and. saying, "Yes, we will. we will go to the end of the earth for. this woman.". Yeah. So.

uh I hope she has some really good. speech writers. Yeah, I mean it's just it's interesting. if you can get Kamala Harris elected. president, um. you know, you're kind of proving that. the democracy is fake, I think. Well, you know, Nancy Pelosi once said, "I can take this glass of water and I. can put a D behind it and get it. elected.". Um. there's no question there. is a machine. and there is a mechanism for doing.

things. So, you saw how effective it was. uh in Pennsylvania. for Fetterman. at a time when. uh before he recovered from his stroke, he was a basket case. He couldn't talk. And yet uh he was still able to be. elected over someone who was very. articulate and very logical, uh Dr. Oz. So, it's a. no one should underestimate. the.

impact of that machine and what it can. do. I I don't think we're allowed to talk. about voter fraud on YouTube. Which tells you that it's real. Um. but. are you concerned that letting in tens. of millions of people illegally. um will have an effect on the outcome of. this election? Well, of course it will. I mean, that. was that's the whole purpose of it. And I've talked to people.

who told me, you know, they. in Baltimore. go into the. voting station. and just vote. They didn't have to show. any ID, didn't have to do anything. I remember one person who worked with me. said, "I went in there and they told me. to vote." And she said, "Do you want to. see my ID?" And they said, "No, we don't. need to see your ID.". So. think about that and then. multiply that by hundreds of thousands. or millions of people. It can have a.

profound effect on. the election. But also think about the fact that when. people come in here illegally. they get legally counted in the census. which then is used to help determine. how many representatives they have. So, it has an impact that way also. So, it. definitely has an impact. It's just a. matter of how great that impact will be. And as time goes on.

and you get more representatives lean. left. then you get legislation. passed. that becomes very friendly. to people who've entered this country. illegally. And you can profoundly change it to a. point where it will never. uh move in a different direction. How far away from that are we now, do. you think? I think we're. one or two elections away from that.

And that's why it's so vitally important. uh that we have people who can explain. this. in a way that. people who are not legal or political. scholars understand what's going on. And uh. are not so easily manipulated. We do recognize that we're being. manipulated. And this goes back a long. way. There have always been people who have.

not been happy. with the United States and with the way. that we do things. And uh you can go all the way back to. 1963. and look at the congressional record, January the 10th, 1963, Congressman. Herlong of Florida. read into the record the 45 goals of. communism in America. and how they plan to fundamentally. change our society. Uh it was derived from.

a book called The Naked Communist. by W. Cleon Skousen, who was a CIA agent, and I had done a lot of study. on communism and its effect. And you look at those 45 goals, it was. things like. gaining control. of the public school system and the. teacher unions. uh so that you can indoctrinate the. kids, gaining control of the news media.

and Hollywood so that you can manipulate. the opinions of people, denigrating the. role. of the family, denigrating the role of. the church, getting into the churches. and changing the real gospel to the. social gospel, making sexual perversion. normal, natural, and healthy. I mean, just right down the line, all the. things. And they're the things that are. happening in our society right now. And. we, the American people, are the pawns.

who are being manipulated. And it's one. of the reasons that Khrushchev was so. confident when he talked to Eisenhower. and said that your grandchildren's. children will live under our system. We won't have to fight a war. Because we think we won the Cold War. But they had a. much. better plan. on how to actually change us. And we're. falling for it. And we the American people have got to. wake up.

before it's too late. And we've got to. understand that part of the the goal. to overcome us is to divide us. on the basis of race, age, income, gender, political affiliation, religion. Yeah. Because a house divided against itself. cannot stand. Jesus said it. Abraham. Lincoln reiterated it. And it's absolutely true. And you look. and you see what's happening to our. society.

You know, we are neighbors and friends. and co-workers and colleagues. We are not enemies. And look at the first letter of each of. those words, we are not enemies. WANE, Wayne. We've allowed hatred and division to wax. for a long time. Now it's time to let it. wane and come together once again. It's. okay to disagree about things. It. doesn't make someone your enemy. Just. because they have a different yard sign. or different opinion, it doesn't change.

the fact that that's your neighbor. And you think about the early days in. our in our country. when you had. communities, sometimes of 50 or 100. families, they came from different areas of the. world. In many cases, they could barely. talk to each other cuz they spoke. different languages. But they understood. a concept. called the common good. That's language. that you see in much of the writings of. our founders, the common good. What's.

good for all of us, not what's good for. the Polish section or the German section. or the African section, but what's good. for everybody. And that was one of the things that made. the difference. You know, if it was. harvest time and. Mr. Johnson broke his leg, everybody. else harvested his crops. They didn't. say. are you a Democrat or are you a. Republican? Uh what's your religion? No, they said. you're my neighbor and you need help.

That was one of the real strengths of. our nation. and we're allowing that to be destroyed. We're being manipulated. And one of the. reasons I believe that that's happening. is because we are the major obstacle. to one world government and one world. domination, but we cannot be overcome. militarily. So, you have to overcome us. by destroying us from within. One of the reasons that people talked.

about the common good and believed that. it was important is because they were. Christians. and therefore they believed in the moral. equality of mankind because every person. is created by God. Um they're. that doesn't seem to be a common view in. the way that it was even 20 years ago. And at the same time the US government. seems openly hostile to Christianity, particularly the Biden-Harris. administration replacing Easter with. transvisibility day, etc. putting.

people in prison for praying in abortion. clinics, etc. etc. Do you notice this. this hostility toward. Oh, without question, but uh recognize. that that's part of the overall plan of. Marxism. Now, Marxism and communism is very. anti-religion. because they want you to be dependent on. government. They don't want you to be dependent on. God. And they want you to believe that they. have the ultimate say in everything. So, naturally, they're going to be.

uh anti-religion. and anti-God. And it's sad to see. I mean, when you look at television, uh the way that they. mock. Christians and Christianity. And uh. you saw all of the. protests that occurred recently. when the governor of Louisiana. said, "We're going to have the Ten. Commandments in the schools.".

And uh the governor of Oklahoma and the. legislature. said, "We're going to teach Bible and. the Ten Commandments.". Oh, no, no, you can't do that. That's. just horrible. Separation of church and state. You. know, the Constitution says nothing. about separation of church and state, by. the way. Uh that's been distorted uh. tremendously. But, I like to ask these people, exactly why.

don't you want the Ten Commandments to. be taught? What is wrong with thou shall not kill? What's wrong with thou shall not steal? Thou shall not commit adultery. Thou. shall not lie. Thou shall not envy. Honor your parents. What's wrong with. those things? And of course, they never have a good. answer for what's wrong with them. because there is nothing that's wrong. with them. And uh you know, these are basic. principles of civilization. And you can go to the deepest, darkest.

jungle of Borneo, and if you find a thief, what does he. do? He waits until night time when. nobody can see him, and he goes and. steals. Why did he do that? Because he. knows it's wrong. There is such a thing as right and. wrong. And there's nothing wrong with us. teaching that to our children. I don't think they've gotten rid of. religion in the public square. They've. just changed the religion. And it's now transgenderism. And and environmentalism.

Right. Um but that's it's. recognizable to me immediately as a. theology. No, it is and and their belief in it is. is very strong and they. go so far as to want to punish those who. disagree with them. And make life very difficult for them. I think. we're in a situation now where our. society. to a large degree actually thinks. logically.

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And by our institutions. Um was it strange to go from being a. hero to a villain basically overnight? Uh it wasn't strange. It was it was. expected. Uh I recognized that that would likely. occur. But then I had to ask myself, what are you here for? And why has God used you in this way? And why has he given you such amazing. accomplishments and a platform?

And obviously, it was not to look for. the approval and adulation. of mankind. It was to fulfill your duty to God and. bring praise and honor and glory to his. name. So, it never really bothered me. particularly when a lot of the. mainstream. said, "He's a horrible person.". And. you know, said, "He's a horrible person.". Never mind the fact that he saved.

thousands of lives and came up with all. kinds of new ways to do wonderful. things. Uh. he's a horrible person because whatever. they believe is not what he believes. Uh and the good thing is that I don't. encounter a lot of people who feel that. way. You know, when I go to the airport, you. know, when I came in here yesterday. and I went to the airport, I had a line.

of people waiting to take pictures with. me and to shake my hand and to thank me. Uh and that's what I find, you know, just about every place I go. So, the the. mainstream media, you know, they do their best to demonize. anybody who doesn't agree with them. But I don't think they're as effective. as they think they are. I think that's exactly right. How have you been so successful? How. have you been able to be so successful. in your personal life?

Uh again, it goes back to my. relationship with God. And you know, my wife and I, we start every day. reading from the Bible and praying. And we end every day reading from the. Bible and praying. And you know, God is an essential part. of our lives and we taught that to our. children. How long have you done that with your. wife? Uh since we've been married, which is 49.

years. Where did you meet her? Uh we met at Yale. Back in the days before it was quite as. radical as it is today. We were both from Detroit and we didn't. know each other in Detroit, but uh. uh we went to Yale and people who knew. both of us. were always saying, "You two should get. together. You two would just be magic or. together.". And finally we did get together. It was. interesting thing because.

uh. the university was trying to. get some more diversity. And uh so they would pay your way home. for Thanksgiving if you would recruit. for them. in the Detroit public school system. And uh so the two of us agreed to go. back and recruit. Uh. and uh. you know, during that recruiting period. we discovered we we kind of liked each.

other. Uh. we're actually driving back to New Haven. from Ann Arbor. And we and we were going to drive all. night to get back in time the next day. And we both fell asleep on Interstate 80. Ooh. going 90 miles an hour. Awakened by the. vibration of the car as it was going off. the road. And I grabbed the wheel and turned and. the car just started spinning. Instead.

of flipping over and going down the. ravine, it just started spinning. And it stopped pointing in the right. direction. Just in time for me to pull off as an. 18-wheeler came through. Of course we were quite awake at that. point. And uh. and we just. knelt and prayed and we thanked God for. saving our lives. And that's the night. we started going together and we said. the Lord saved our lives for a reason.". Amazing.

Yeah. And that was That was on the 28th of. November, 1972, and we celebrate the 28th of each. month. We call it our monthiversary. Really? For over 50 years you've done that? For 50 Over 50 years. Yes. Amazing. And you had three sons and you. have eight grandchildren. Correct. And you're close to all of them? Absolutely. How did you do that? God,

once again, was always at the center of what we did. And we would have family worship. My mother lived with us, too, while the. kids were growing up, which was a. tremendous blessing. And uh. we would all choose. two verses from the Bible, usually from the book of Proverbs, and read them and interpret them. And uh. so the boys became very familiar with.

with the Bible and its interpretation. And talking about it, and we, of course, went to church every week. And uh continued to make God an very. important part of our lives. In fact, one of my. one of my boys is married to. uh his wife is a minister. Really? Yes. What was your mother like? My mother was perhaps the wisest person.

I've ever met. Uh. you know, she was from a huge rural. family in Tennessee. Uh dire poverty. Uh shifted from home to home, never had. a place to really call home. Got less than a third grade education. In order to escape dire poverty, she got. married at age 13. And she and my. father moved to Detroit. He was a. part-time minister.

and a factory worker. Uh she subsequently some years later. discovered he was also a bigamist, had. another family. And uh. course that resulted in a divorce and. she had to raise us by herself. How old were you when your parents split. up? 8 years old. Ooh. And it was devastating to me. I just. prayed every night that the Lord would. help my parents to get back together, but it never happened. Later on I.

realized why. Because you know, my father was into. gambling. and booze, drugs, and women. Women are okay, but you only need one. And uh. Best best to limit yourself to one. That uh that probably would not have. been a good influence on me. So. uh it actually turned out well, but my. mother. had to work very hard to keep a roof. over our head.

Uh she worked as a domestic, but she was. also a spy. And uh. she said, "I clean these beautiful homes. in these beautiful neighborhoods. I'm going to spy on them and see how. come they're so successful.". And she concluded that they were so. successful because they didn't watch a. lot of TV and they read a lot of books. That was her conclusion? That was her conclusion. So she came. home and imposed that on me and my. brother and we were not happy campers.

And uh in today's world we would have. called social services, but. uh we had to we had to read the books. And uh you know, she. uh. wanted me to read Up from Slavery. Yep. by Booker T. Washington. Great book. The whole ideal of self-sufficiency. And uh. as I started reading books about. people of great accomplishment, surgeons and explorers and inventors and.

entrepreneurs and. I began to realize that the person who. had the most to do with with you. and your success was you. It wasn't somebody else. It wasn't some circumstance. I stopped listening to all the negative. people who were saying, "You can't do. this. You can't do that. Society is. stacked against you." I just threw all. that stuff in the garbage. And I got to the point where if I had 5. minutes, I was reading a book.

And in the space of a year and a half, I. went from the bottom of the class to the. top of the class. And uh it had a profound effect on. everything I did. But the other thing about my mother. is as difficult a life as she had, she. never allowed herself to be a victim. And uh she never made excuses. And that was a good thing. Problem was she never accepted excuses. from us, either.

So, if you. became self-pitying or blamed someone. else, what did she say? The next thing out of her mouth was a. poem called You're Self to Blame. You're the captain of your ship. And you. know, it goes through several different. verses. She knew the whole thing by. heart. And uh we didn't want to hear that poem, so we stopped making excuses. How did she get that way? I don't know. Um. she was rather unique.

She was uh ahead of her time. And you know, she was illiterate. Uh when she was making us read books and. submit to her written book reports, which she couldn't read, but we didn't. know that. She would put little marks. and things on them and checks and act. like she was reading them. We didn't. know she couldn't read. Um. but she did eventually teach herself to. read, got her GED, went to college,

and in 1994 got an honorary doctorate. degree. And uh so she was Dr. Carson, too. Amazing. How. How long did she live with you and your. wife? Uh for. close to 20 years. It was wonderful having her influence on. the boys as they grew up. uh because they got the same kind of. treatment that my brother and I got. Whatever happened to your father? Did. you ever see him?

The last time I saw him was at my. wedding, when I got married. Um. and I I didn't have any any hard. feelings toward him. I was. at that time. understanding. why he left the picture, and that it was probably a good thing. rather than a bad thing. But of course uh. I am.

very pro-family, I'm very. pro-traditional family, nuclear family. Uh you know, that's why. I wrote the book, you know, the perilous fight, overcoming. our cultural war against the American. family. Uh. because. if you look at the think tanks, the. liberal think tanks, and the. conservative think tanks, and all the study groups, they all agree.

that children raised in a traditional. nuclear family do much better. on all parameters than those who are. not. And yet, we find ourselves. not really pushing the traditional. nuclear family. You turn on a television. series, you know, within 5 minutes, you get. introduced to a non-traditional family. And not only as acceptable, but as the.

preferred. thing. And there is a real war on traditional. families. There's a real war in terms of. children and the formation of families. The average. birth per woman now is down to 1.6. You need 2.1 just to maintain the. population. Uh and then we have people getting. married very late if at all.

And uh that of course depresses the. birth rate as well. So, we have a a real cultural issue. that's going on that needs to be dealt. with. We need to be encouraging. uh marriage. and family and family formation and. birth of children. and uh. not succumb to. uh the other influences. One of the. popular things now is DINKs.

Uh double income, no kids. And because you get to lavish all of it. upon yourselves, you don't have to worry. about anybody else. But what about when you're 80 or 85. years old? And you don't have another generation. who's concerned about you. People need to begin to think beyond. their immediate gratification. It also raise the question like what's. the Is the point of life to go on. vacation?

Exactly. Exactly. What is the point of life? And you know, and I wonder about that. for people who don't. have a belief. in God, a belief in the hereafter, a belief in. the goodness of people. What is their point? And I guess their only point is let me. have as much fun as I can. Because then I'll be gone and that'll be. the end. I would I I would be very depressed if.

that was the way I thought. seem that fun. No. No. So, if you were giving counsel to. like you've already done it with your. own boys, all three are married. and have children. But if you were. giving advice to a 25-year-old young. man, what would it be? Well, I would say, what do you what what are you good at? Cuz first thing you you need to do is I. hope you're working. And if you're not working,

uh you need to find out what career you. should be pursuing. Everybody's good at something. But uh so often people do things. based on what other people's successes. and not on what their gifts and talents. are. Yes. And uh for instance, when I started. medical school, I did very poorly on the first set of. comprehensive exams. So poorly in fact that my counselor told.

me to drop out of medical school. He said, "You're not cut out for. medicine. And you're just going to torment. yourself and everybody else. And we're. going to help you get into another. area.". I was devastated. I'd only wanted to be. a doctor since I was 8 years old. I finally get to medical school and the. person who's supposed to help me says. drop out. And um you know, I. immediately sought. wisdom from God. And I started thinking, what kind of.

courses have you always done well in and. what kind of courses have you struggled. in? And I realized I did well in courses. where I did a lot of reading. I struggled in courses where I listened. to a lot of boring lectures. Yeah. Because I didn't get anything out of. boring lectures. I get zero. And that's 6 hours a day. So, I made an executive decision to skip. the boring lectures and to spend that. time reading. And the rest of medical school was a. snap after that. And years later when I was back at my.

medical school as a commencement. speaker, I was looking for that counselor cuz I. was going to tell me I wasn't cut out to. be a counselor. Because some people are just negative, negative, negative. They can always. figure out why you can't do something, but they can't figure out how you can do. something. And we really need to be. positive influences in our spheres of of. influence. And that's what I would tell that. 25-year-old. First, find out what you're good at.

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So what? I mean, maybe more than maybe more impressive. than having three successful sons, so. that's pretty impressive, is um. being with the same woman happily. for over 50 years, which you have pulled. off. So what specific advice would you. give. to married men for keeping your marriage. intact and happy? I would say remember. what attracted you in the first place.

And work on that, but make sure you have. fun together. Uh you know, spend quality time. together. You know, I enjoy. to relax playing pool. Playing pool? Playing pool. When we got married, my. wife did not know how to play pool. But she became a very good pool player. because she says that's the way I can. have quality time with you. Do you play at home? Yes, absolutely. We have pool tables.

everywhere. Really? Why pool? It just relaxes me. Did you play as a kid? Uh I learned when I was a teenager. how to play. And uh. you know, just the angles and figuring. out which the kinetic energy, all that. stuff has always been enjoyable to me. Are you good? Um yes. I bet.

A surgeon's precision brought to the. pool table. Exactly. And just you know, doing things that you. that you enjoy together. So that means you were in pool halls in. Detroit in the '60s. No. No, we had a little table. It wasn't a slate bottom table, and it. it wasn't particularly straight. Um. but it was something that you could. learn the principles on.

Why do pool tables have slate in them? Pardon my ignorance. Because if if you have a wood. foundation, it can warp. Yes. And you need that table to be very. smooth and very level. So, that's why they do it. Huh. That's cool. So, you still play pool with your wife? Absolutely. Who wins? Uh I win most of the time, but if I make. a mistake, you know, she can clean the table. Am- amazing.

It's It's very good. By the way, were you in Detroit in the. summer of '67 for the riots? Uh yes. Yep. July July the 23rd, 1967. I was there. Tanks rumbling down the. streets. Um. it was pretty awful. But, you know, what's interesting. uh about that situation is. the city was absolutely torn about. apart. There was a lot of racial hatred.

And uh it was like a war zone. Exactly 1 year later, the Detroit Tigers. were doing extremely well. They went on to win the World Series. for the first time in 37 years. The city was one. Everybody was brought together. because they were so excited about the. Tigers.

And uh the moral of the story is. look at the things that bring you. together. Yes. Emphasize those things, not the things. that tear you apart. What do you think happened so the. Detroit of I mean pre-67 Detroit was a. you know, a functioning. affluent city. Well, Detroit at one point was the most. affluent city in the country. Yeah. I mean, they had everything going for.

them. But you know, a lot of corruption. started. uh. unfortunately causing a real problem. Plus Detroit was a one-horse town. Yeah. And that's never good. You need to. really diversify. So combination of those things. uh led to. a pretty big decline. And then. criminal activity. uh became a real problem. It went from.

the. the Motor City to the Murder City. And that was very problematic. you came back on vacation from Yale, from college, did you notice a difference? Oh, yes. Absolutely. And I remember how difficult it was to. get a summer job. Uh because at that time there was. another issue that was going on. Japan. And the Japanese car industry.

Toyota and Datsun and all of these. things were having a huge impact. uh on the automotive industry throughout. the world. And it had a negative impact on Detroit. So that along with the other issues that. we just talked about. uh really took its toll on Detroit. Did you go back? Uh occasionally. But uh not very often. I don't have any. family left there. What's the neighborhood you grew up in.

like now? Uh. Well, I grew up in two different. neighborhoods. Uh. The first neighborhood, the one I was. born into, in Southwest Detroit, it was uh. a lot of GI homes. And uh they were. I thought they were pretty nice homes. To me, they were like paradise. They were. They were small, like 700 square feet,

but they had like a little yard, and in. many cases, there was a little garage. And uh. people worked hard, and they were proud. of their homes. They tried to keep them. up. Uh. after the divorce, um. we couldn't live there anymore. And uh in fact, we were homeless for a. little while. And we ended up. Where'd you live when you were homeless? Uh with different people.

Stayed in their homes. But uh. one of my mother's sisters. uh in Boston, and her husband took us. in. Huh. It was a. typical tenement, large multi-family. dwelling, boarded up windows and doors, sirens and gangs, rats and roaches, murders. Both of my older cousins, who we adored, were killed. I mean, that was the kind. of. place that it was, but it. but at least there was a roof over our.

heads. uh for a couple of years until we were. able to get back to Detroit, still in a. multi-family. setting with plenty of wildlife, but. nevertheless, she was independent at. that point. And the goal was always to get back to. that first neighborhood. And uh. you know, after a couple of years, my mother worked very hard, and we were. able to get back to that neighborhood. Have you Have you seen it in the last 20.

years? Yes. I actually went back to it. with President Trump. How is it? Um. it looks largely the same. Some of the neighbors were still there. who were there when I was growing up. It was It was very nice to see them. But. you know, it has the wear and tear. obviously of. a few decades, but. people still try to take care of their.

property. And. you know, it. it helps me to realize how blessed I've. been. Uh. just. in terms of. being able to navigate around the world. to. own properties, to do all kinds of. things. that I never would have thought was. possible. You know, people say the American dream. is dead. It's not dead by any stretch of.

the imagination. But. it required a lot of work. Um. extremely. dedicated hard work for many, many. years. People don't just give you stuff, nor should they. Uh but as I tell people all the time, if you work hard and you make yourself. valuable. and people need you, guess what? They pay you. and you do okay.

So, you were in Detroit after the riots. when Coleman Young first became mayor. And he was the I think the first big. city American mayor to be explicit about. race politics. Right. And the idea was. we're going to get some for the people. of Detroit and but it was explicitly. racial. It didn't I don't think it. Detroit didn't get richer. No, it it didn't work at all and what it. did is it. it pushed a lot of the white people out.

of the city. Yeah, almost all of them. Yeah, and uh. you know, the city. didn't benefit from a lot of the things. that more affluent people brought to it. And it deteriorated very rapidly at that. point. And you know, interestingly enough. uh I think people have learned that. people are people. Yeah. And Detroit's been making progress over.

the last few years. Yes. Um. the mayor there. uh. Duggan. he's white, but uh. he is. a people person. I mean, he became mayor. by walking from door to door. going into people's living rooms, talking to them, finding out what their. needs were. developing relationships between people. You know, he not only got elected, but.

he got reelected. And uh. has been working with uh you know, several business entities and trying to. bring real revival to Detroit. You were raised in a world that sounds. like by your mother where. merit was the measure. Absolutely. Uh. she pushed excellence. And uh. you know, to a large degree, both my. brother and I.

worked really hard in school because we. wanted to please her. Because we knew. what she was doing for us. We understood. that. you know, she could have taken up the. offers of. some people. Many of them were. well-to-do individuals. And kind of forgotten about us, but she. didn't. You mean gotten remarried? Mhm.

And she never did? She never did. And she was always thrilled with what we. were doing. After working two or three jobs a day, if I had a concert, she would come to the concert. What did your brother wind up doing? Uh he became the rocket scientist. I became the brain surgeon and he became. the rocket scientist.

And uh. Did anyone else in your neighborhood do. that well? The kids you grew up with? Uh. well, I mean, there was some. some people, a few people who. you know, not. well-known or anything like that, but. uh I think two of my classmates at. Southwestern High School became. physicians. Wow. And uh at least one became a lawyer.

And so, you know, there were there were. sporadic people. But, you know, at that. time there was. much more of a push. uh for people to do better than their. parents. And. now you don't see it as much. You see. more people saying. that system is against you. And you're a victim, and we got to march. for your rights, and.

you know, you need to do what you need. to do in order to get your own, and if. you know, if that's taking stuff from. somebody else, that's okay. Those are not good messages for people. We need to remind people. that people are people. And that. you know, you make your own bed and you. you lie in it. And uh. if you want to get ahead, there's mechanisms for doing that, but.

it requires hard work. And one of the reasons. that people who come here as immigrants. do so well. is because they look around and they. say, "Wow. You mean all I got to do is work hard? All I got to do is go to school and do. well? That's all? And I can have whatever I want to do? It's amazing." I was talking to a a. young woman from. uh Cambodia.

Uh well, she's not so young now, but she. was young when she came here when the. Khmer Rouge came in. Yes. And uh. completely destroyed their lives and she. ended up in. one of the work camps, but uh. at age 19, she was. somehow able to get to this country. And uh now she owns her own business. She became an engineer and uh. she just talked about all the amazing. opportunities that she found in this.

country that she was not exposed to. before. Um. but she also told a cautionary tale. about kinds of things that are occurring. in our country now. that are very reminiscent of what. happened when communism came to their. country. And and if you go to our website. American Cornerstone. .org,

uh we have a segment called My American. Story. And there are many people like the young. woman that I just talked about. uh who came from communist or socialist. environments. And they talk about the differences. between our country and their country, but how they see some of the very. worrisome things starting to happen in. our country. What do you think of the physical health. of the country as a physician?

Uh well, we have. about half or more of our population who. are overweight. Yep. And uh have some other significant. issues, so. large increase in type 2 diabetes. And uh people who generally are not. engaged in a lot of physical activity. have a lot of. musculoskeletal issues. Uh. so, in general, it's. leaves a lot to be desired.

What That's changed pretty quickly. I. mean, America did not look like this in. the '80s, which wasn't that long ago. Well, we used to have a lot more. physical labor. Yeah. And that helped. And uh you know, particularly. among the men, uh they had jobs that. required a lot of muscle, a lot of work, and. you don't have that anymore. And so,

I think that's affecting people's. physical abilities. Are you worried about. chemicals in the air, water, and food? Well, interestingly enough, uh. you know, I know the. the green people. talk a lot about uh our fossil fuels and. how they're poisoning our atmosphere. Uh. but if you're objective, you know that we have the cleanest air. and the cleanest water we've ever had.

since we've done measurements. Doesn't mean that we shouldn't. pay attention to these things. Uh but we shouldn't allow them. to be used to manipulate people. Yeah. And to control people. That's that's a. real problem. And as time goes on we learn. better and better ways to take care of. the environment. I think we've learned to a large extent. that we shouldn't be throwing away.

things that are not biodegradable into. our oceans and poisoning our fish and. uh. and I think there is a place for. regulations that keep us from destroying. our environment. But. you know, going to the extreme and using. those to control people's behavior, I. think it's probably not where we want to. be. Do Does anyone know why testosterone. levels have dropped so much? Uh that's that's been a big question.

Uh. you know, some people think it's because. uh we just don't engage men don't engage. in a lot of physical activity. Um some studies have shown that for. instance the grip strength. of men. uh has decreased substantially. uh over the last couple of decades. I noticed it in the handshakes. Yeah. And the grip strength of women. has not.

So they're much closer now than they. used to be. So men better be careful out there. I think I Yeah. I think that's an. understatement. Um but I mean the drop. has been so dramatic. that there's got to be and you know, abrupt. that it feels like there's got to be. some specific cause that we're we. haven't identified that's important to. know about. I think just that we used to be much. more.

physical. And you know, if you go to countries. where. you know, the the men and the women. still engage in heavy physical labor. carrying around heavy buckets and things. like that. I mean, you can go there and you can. see like a 70-year-old woman, she can be. a lot stronger than you are. Yeah. So, that's just something that you know, we. have to have enough discipline to. not just go and look at the gym, but to.

use it. Um. like another topic that. YouTube doesn't want you to talk about. are vaccines. Um so, probably shouldn't use word. vaccine. I think they'll they'll just. like take this down if we do. Um so, let me just say I'm in favor of. all vaccines and they should all be. mandatory. But with that aside, um what. do you make of the COVID inoculation.

campaign? Like with the couple years. distance, what was that? Well, I mean, I think some of the people. who were pushing it. were sincere. Mhm. and they really thought that they were. saving the population. Uh. I think others perhaps had other. motives. Uh some of them linked to profits and. monetary issues. Um. what is very troubling to me.

is the mandates. that require people to get the vaccines. if they want to keep their job. And so many people in the airline. industry and the medical industry. uh first line responders. uh military. lost their jobs, lost their pensions, lost their livelihoods because they. refused to do it. Those people have not been made whole.

Uh even though it's been proven. that they may have been right in. refusing to take, you know, the vaccines. And. we also discovered that many of the. alternative. uh. treatments. that were. basically demonized, like. hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin,

uh were actually very effective. But, you know, we had an FDA rule that. said. uh. we can't get an EUA, the emergency use authorization for the. vaccine, if you had other effective. treatments. So, they had to, you know, denigrate those. Uh. when in fact, the ruling should be just the opposite. They say, "If we're having a pandemic, use every avenue possible to find a.

solution, not just try to channel. everything into one direction.". So, the other thing that. was done is we we didn't. make known. the complication rate of the vaccines. Um. it was much higher than previous. vaccines. And, you know, transparency requires. that if you're going to. treat somebody with something, you need.

to tell them what the benefits and risks. are. We didn't do that. We just said, "You. got to do this." And that's the. declaration. And uh many. Well, you're not guessing. I mean, you're a practicing physician your whole. life. that that was required. That that. was like the basis of medical ethics. So. Well, it used to be. Uh. something went out of the window in. terms of medical ethics here. And uh. they completely threw that out of the.

window and just said. this is the way it is and this is what. you got to do and this is what we say. That's not the way we do things in. America. And uh I think unfortunately a lot of. people paid the consequences for it. And. you'll remember about 8 months ago they. tried to say there's a new strain, it's. coming back again, we may have to mask. up. Nobody was buying it and it just. sort of fizzled out pretty quickly. I. don't I don't think we're going to go. that route again.

Was it weird for you since you were a. doctor and. one of the most famous doctors in the. United States and we were told to trust. the doctor, trust the experts, but. you know, if you stood up as HUD. secretary and said any of these things, you would have been censored on YouTube. Yeah, no question. And and many of the. doctors who did try to speak up against. it were were canceled or. uh denigrated in some way. And people. were afraid to speak up. And that was a real problem. I. personally was a little bit disappointed.

with the AMA and some of the medical. organizations who. just swallowed it all hook, line, and. sinker. Uh didn't apply uh the kind of rigorous. uh. thought processes to this that we. normally apply to new treatments and. uh I hope they learned their lesson. Have have they? I doubt it. It doesn't seem that anyone has been.

punished or even admitted fault or at. least. I haven't seen it if that's happened. So. that raises the question, well, when we. get another pandemic, which we will, will anyone trust the authorities? Will. the authorities have, you know, trustworthiness? I mean, what's going to. happen next time? Uh well, certainly no one trusts them. right now. Yeah. And uh. hopefully we're going to new. administration. uh. next year.

And we can start rebuilding that trust, but that requires transparency. And uh. actually explaining things. One of the. things that lets you know. uh when you got a problem. is when you try to punish people who. disagree with you. Um. it's always okay for somebody to. disagree, but it's not. okay to punish them when they disagree. with you. And you know, we were talking a little.

bit ago about. you know, election fraud. Uh. people who don't engage in election. fraud. aren't offended by you talking about it. And they don't try to punish you. Good boy. If I can just scratch you, one thing. about election fraud is people who. aren't engaging in election fraud are. not offended when you talk about it. I. think that's worth getting tattooed on. your arm. Yeah, exactly. An awful lot of people seem offended by.

any talk of election fraud. They're very offended by It's sort of. like if you stole the cookies from the. cookie jar. Well, then you're likely to say, "No one. can talk about the cookie jar. And if. you talk about the cookie jar, we're. going to punish you. But if you didn't take the cookies, you. don't care. Is there any hope of getting back to a. system that people trust? Well, I think there's hope. Yes, there is.

hope. I mean, look at France. France banned routine mail-in balloting. in 1975. because they said there was just too. much cheating. There were too many. different ways to cheat and you couldn't. control it. And they went to back to paper balloting. and an election day. instead of an election season. And they now know their. results within a day or two.

So, you know, we're about the only country in the. world that does it this way. And why would we do that? Why has. everybody else discovered that it's a. problem, but we haven't? Obviously, because somebody's benefiting. from. the way that we do it. And uh. I think we probably should have a. congressional investigation.

And uh. let's look at the way it's done in. places where it's done effectively and. in a way that people trust it and let's. readjust what we're doing. Why haven't we done that? Because there are too many people who. benefit from the way we do it now. They don't want to change it. They don't. want to fix it. because. then they can't get a glass of water. elected. I think you risk making everyone very.

cynical about democracy if you have a. system like that. And I think a lot of people are very. cynical about it. And this shouldn't be. a part of It shouldn't be a partisan. issue. I mean, this affects all of us. Uh. you you want to talk about the threat to. democracy, having. a voter election system. that is very easily. uh fraudulent is a real threat to. democracy.

And uh until we fix If if we can send a. man to the moon. as some people say we didn't really do. it, but if we can. If we claim we can. We can certainly fix this election. system and if other people in the world. can do it certainly we can do it, too. Who did you I'm sure you were I haven't. even asked you, but I'm sure you know. you moved to Washington you spent a lot. of your life right nearby in Baltimore, but it's a totally different city. Right. from Washington. I'm sure you were appalled in a lot of. ways and frustrated. You said.

the Congress wouldn't even give you your. deputies for months. Who are you impressed by? Who did you think was a person of. integrity, intelligent, hardworking? Were there any. anyone in the government you thought was. great? Uh yeah, there were. There were a number of people that I. worked with. in the Trump administration. Uh. Mike Pompeo for instance uh. had many long conversations with him. about his work in the CIA.

I think uh. Did he tell you any secret like who. killed Kennedy? I can't tell because I didn't have to. kill you. No, I'm just kidding. That's his position. Uh. but. I was probably. more. unhappy. with the number of people that I saw who. weren't trustworthy. Uh they call it the swamp but uh Kinney.

and I call it the cesspool because a. swamp at least has some good things in. it. Yeah, it does. Yes, true. It's pretty bad and it's going to. require a lot of work to get us back to. a point. of trustworthiness in the government. And I think that's the reason that. the swamp or the cesspool. is so frightened. of Donald Trump. because he's not.

a creature that was born there, that was raised there, that accepts and understands their ways. And uh you can't have a disruptor like. that to come into your home. and to disrupt it. And that's what they're afraid of. And. that's why they will do anything. to keep him out of the White House. Well, including shooting him. Including shooting him. They. What do you make of that? I mean, you.

obviously you're you were in the. cabinet. You had Secret Service protection. You've been around this a lot. How could that have happened? Well, it would require. the grossest. incompetence and negligence that anyone. can imagine. Or some intentionality. It's hard to explain it any other way. I agree with that. So, it sounds like.

you're. We don't know, I think, is the short. answer. Yeah. Um nobody does. Or somebody does, but we don't. But you're open to the possibility that. there could have been, as you put it, some intentionality. Some intentionality. I mean, to have known. several minutes beforehand. that there was a suspicious individual. and to still allow him to go out on that. stage. I mean, a third-grader would know better.

than that. Yes. So, it's it's very hard to explain. Trump hasn't talked about it in this. way. I mean, in his convention speech, he described what it was like to be. shot. Right. Things were going on around him at the. at that moment, but he did not suggest. that there was, again as you put it. intentionality. He must know that that's possible. I'm sure he does and he knows that they. want to get rid of him. You know, I've.

talked to him about that. And he knows that they're not through. trying to get rid of them. They. You know, Trump derangement syndrome is. a real phenomena. I I know people who've been affected by. it. People People who used to think. logically. Yes. And they don't think logically anymore. They It's almost like a disease. Yes. And. you know, their feeling. is that they are right.

And they are righteous. And that they. are the protectors. of society. And anything that they do. is justifiable on that basis. It's very much like the the thinking of. the radical jihadist. You know, infidels, you can lie to them, you can kill them, you do whatever you. want. And it doesn't count against you. because you're righteous. It's a scary attitude. It is a very scary.

In a supposedly secular country. Yeah, it's a very scary. So, how I mean, considering. you're you're from Detroit, you went to. Yale, you spent your life in medicine. You lived around Baltimore. So, those. are you know, not one of those is a. Trump stronghold. No, and I grew up. very much a Democrat. Yeah, I'm sure. You know, from Detroit. uh. to New Ha- to Boston to New Haven to Ann. Arbor.

to Baltimore. I was a total. Democrat. But I did have some some feelings. For. instance, when it came to abortion. Uh I never felt that abortion was right. But as a Democrat, I said, "I don't have. a right to tell you what you should do.". What Why did you think it was wrong? Uh because it was killing. It is killing. Yes. And. But why did you recognize that.

when. many people in your position don't? Yeah, I don't I don't I don't know why. they don't recognize it. I can tell you. uh I've always felt that that life is. miraculous and precious. I guess that's why as a young child I. wanted to be a doctor. Uh. I I listened to the stories about what. doctors did. I was particularly. impressed by what missionary doctors. did. And uh I decided when I was 8 years old.

that I would become a doctor. But. looking at innocent little babies. uh. being killed. just because they happen to be in the. safest place where you can possibly be, which is in the mother's womb. Therefore, it gives you a right to kill. them, some people feel. And I know Kamala Harris uh feels that. way. Strongly. And. you know, as a pediatric neurosurgeon.

uh. I operated on very premature babies. Uh. sometimes. 27, 28, 29 weeks gestation. And. we had to give those babies anesthesia. They felt everything. And yet you have people. who are willing. to stick a forcep. into the uterus. of a 27-week.

uh baby. grab whatever is there twist and pull. and out comes an arm. or a shoulder. or another part of the. Knowing that that baby. can feel that. I mean, to me it's barbaric. And I don't understand how people can do. it. I truly do not understand how. medical colleagues can do that. Well, you must know them. I do know some of them.

Have you ever talked to them about it? Absolutely. We've had some very heated discussions. But I mean, you're in a different. position because you would. personally know people who's who have. actually done that, what you just. described, which is common. Um what do they say? They say. they they talk about women's rights. But. what gives you the right to kill another. human being. just because that human being is being.

protected by. And the thing that really changed my. mind. is I was thinking about slavery. And I said, "What if the abolitionist. had said, 'Well, I don't believe in. slavery, but. I don't have any right to. tell you what you need to do.'. What if that had been their attitude? Where would we be? So.

and and the Bible says it, too. In Book. of Proverbs, 24th chapter, 11 and 12. verse. What about those people who are being. drawn unto death, innocents? Did you say anything? And doesn't he who sees everything know. what you did. and what you didn't do? So I think we have a responsibility when. we know something is right or wrong, we. have a responsibility to speak up.

I'm amazed that you would. talk like this in a. hospital medical school. operating room. I mean, it. that cannot be a popular view. Uh and it wasn't. But. you know, I a long time ago decided. that I'm going to speak out for what I. believe in.

And even if people try to persecute you. and this comes back to my faith. What is that little persecution against. the backdrop of eternity? So, I don't really worry about that too. much. I don't think I can improve on that. Dr. Carson, thank you. It's been wonderful talking to you. been. Thank you very much.

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