Dave Smith: Tim Walz, Trump vs. Rogan, and Who Is Really Running the Country?

my memory is fading when were you here. last well I like to measure it in coups. and assassination attempts so I was here. one coup and one assassination attempt. go. [Applause]. [Music]. [Applause]. [Music].

so now it's the first week of second. week of August and it feels like a. different country yeah isn't that. something yeah what's happened between. May and. now an assassination attempt in a coup. yes that's for. one Olympics so basically the busiest. period in American history but we just. sort of kind of forgot it all happened. or something it is really amazing it is. really it's unbelievable and I think. that like both me and you when when I. interviewed you on my podcast which I.

don't remember when that was but it was. several months before I came out here. and we were both kind of talking about. how you know trying to make predictions. about the rest of 2024 is difficult but. the one thing you know is it's going to. be crazy like it's going to be something. really wild you could just feel that and. at this point you're like how do we even. Accelerate from here and I think we're. going to by the way I don't I think. we've got several more crazy things to. go before November so to the extent You. can predict them what do you foresee. it's so hard right now I mean I I really.

have a tough time because this I did not. see this coming I didn't see Camala. Harris uh being the person it was always. everyone who was speculating about no. chance she too always too unpopular we. were like who's it going to be Gavin. Nome or Hillary Clinton or Michelle. Obama and everybody every even in the. corporate media in the moment when they. admitted the emperor was naked after. that debate even all of them were. speculating who the person yeah right.

exactly um even all of them were. speculating about who it would be if Joe. Biden dropped out and and Camala Harris. was not the person because she's so I. mean awful at this and deeply unpopular. and so now they've switched into a new. Emperor's New Clothes mode where there. is this totally astroturfed fake you. know Camala Harris went from being the. most unpopular vice president ever to a. cultural phenomenon the one thing this. nation needed it's more K Harris it's.

just it's very bizarre to watch it you. know I said this last time we were here. that I always I like to call them storms. like when you're in the middle of a. massive propaganda storm I always love. the example and I I mentioned this last. time I don't know why I just this. example what when Donald Trump said he. was going to pull out of Syria which he. ultimately backed down on and didn't do. but and for two weeks in the media it. was the Kurds what about the Kurds. historic allies the Cs the Kurds we. never betrayed the Kurds before and. we'll never do it again my grandfather. said to be on his deathbed 1983 goes.

grandson don't betray the Kurds and then. it's like ever since then no one's. mentioned fight the HTH yeah right right. that's right it's so important but it's. all but there's like these weird. propaganda. storms there's no um there's no energy. to that.

it's not risking anything it's not like. oh my God my Channel's going to get. banned for say couple years ago that was. a really risky thing to say oh I lived. it yeah because you know you were in. that storm you know so the storm right. now is that Camala Harris has this. massive grassroot support that's why. when she ran for president in 2019 she. had to drop out before Iowa how many. delegates did she get that year it's. it's it'll take us the whole show to. count them up uh but like come on I mean. look however you feel about people.

there's people I despise politically I I. cannot stand Bernie Sanders politics. like I hate Socialism or whatever he is. he's not exactly a socialist but. whatever he is I hate it um but he had. real Grassroots support for real real. they to steal from him yes exactly tens. of millions of of Americans support. Bernie Sanders Donald Trump however you. feel about him has real Grassroots. support Barack Obama however you feel. about him had real grassroot support you. know what they all have in common they. didn't drop out before Iowa because. nobody real Grassroots support doesn't.

make it to the first contest and Camala. Harris it's not as if she was a Bernie. Sanders or say like a Ron Paul or a. Dennis kusen she had major donors behind. her she took much of the uh the Clinton. campaign stuff I mean she was touted by. the corporate media as like the. candidate when she first announced in in. 2019 and still with all that couldn't. get to Iowa so in other words I think. the whole Cala Harris thing is fake um. it's all Asar I think if there was a.

real election today I don't see how she. could beat Donald Trump but all of that. you know is uh so maybe the I'm not we. don't know that that's going to happen I. don't think no of course that's not. going to happen but I wonder though if. the lesson is maybe we've been taken in. by this illusion that it's about people. when really it's about machines the. Machinery of you the party system. particularly the Democratic party and it. just kind of doesn't matter what KLA. Harris is like what a record is what she. believes what she'll do or not do she.

she has no role in any of that she's. just a standin for you the oligarchy. yeah I mean we're going to it's does. feel that way though yes well it's an. interesting we're kind of running that. experiment right now to see how fake it. is or how how little the people actually. matter I will say at. least with Joe. Biden the uh they proved they couldn't. do it with him like he was too scile to. to be able to pull that off so the.

machine just like everything right just. like the US. Empire governments in general they're. not Gods there are limits to their power. the question is like can they pull this. off it's interesting to me that is a. really smart point and I'm glad that you. said that because it actually makes me. feel better yeah well that's we still. have a there are limits they're not. omnipotent yes that's right well I mean. look I there's there's lots of examples. of that like every foreign policy. decision in the last 20 plus years I.

mean there's yeah they actually can't do. everything they think they we can do a. lot I mean we can take down Nations uh. we can't build them we've learned that. um but you know with Joe Biden there was. a really weird mix of things that. happened and and one of them is that. there there is a kernel of Truth just a. kernel of Truth to the corporate media. narrative um which is that obviously you. know like me and you were talking I I. think at least since 2009 about Joe.

Biden's very obvious cognitive decline. it was like very it was very clear when. he came back around after being vice. president like if you listen to him back. in uh in 2016 when he was made the. decision not to run yes um he said it. was because you know of he wasn't over. his son dying or whatever but we know it. was really because Obama pushed him out. in favor of Clinton even though it was. kind of his turn traditionally speaking. he was the vice president um but back. then he kind of was Joe Biden oh yeah.

and then once he came back around. running in 2019 it was like who this. isn't Joe Biden anymore but the kernel. of Truth to the media narrative is that. it's also true that it got drastically. worse like it got whatever it was it. went from being a thing where I mean I. remember on your on your fox show in. 2019 you'd be like playing these clips. of him where he'd go he get the state. wrong he was telling these weird stories. you know it was it was very clear but it. was still he was still a little bit like. hit or miss.

like he'd one speech where he kind of. then the next speech he looks like he. has dementia you know whatever Joe Biden. showed up and he did the debate with did. he do one or two debates in 2020 I I. think they did they do two I can't. remember but he got through him I mean. Trump kind of talked over Trump made a. real tactical error and just dominated. whereas you want to let Joe Biden talk. as as we learned the muting the. microphones really worked in Trump's. favor in that debate um but.

lately it's not like every other speech. he's bad he can't pull off one he he. can't pull off any he still the. president who is the president of the. United States well here's well yeah we. don't have one um and this is how. strange is that this is so this is. what's crazy to me though right is like. um so if you look at first of all the. distinction which I think should be um. obvious more and more to people is that. the the distinction politically that. matters right now is not left vers right.

it is uh it that is just not true it's. it's one thing that man it drives me. crazy amongst like Republican voters and. even Republican leaders that they still. want to see things in that distinction. they still want to go the far-left Nancy. Pelosi or whatever it's like yeah she's. not really far-left it's a she uses. far-left language but these people it's. not you know calling Kamala Harris a. communist or whatever and I know people. were sending this clip um these are. people who work for JP morg yes they're. not Communists they're for big business.

and and they're like yeah but look at. this clip she's talking about equality. of outcomes like she doesn't even. understand what that means it's not. really commun they're using leftist. language they're liberal they're. neoliberals who are for big business so. the distinction is not left or right the. distinction is like um establishment. vers dissident or um corrupt verse. honest or something like that that's why. that's why uh Glenn Greenwald is not on. the I team to us and Mitch McConnell is.

our Ally right it's not about that um. but so one of the things that's for sure. right so one of the things that the. establishment has which is really. something I've been marveling at lately. um is they're they have. unbelievable message discipline. something that us the the dissidents. could never dream of having I mean it's. just unbelievable you know you see some. of like the compilations of the. corporate media it's just like hey they. just hey J is weird that's the line this.

week Tim Walls is a vunk killer yes. everyone not weird at all though well. look uh my totally not weird well my. good friend uh Michael mice who you had. on your uh uh fox show wrote the book on. North Korea and he's just really smart. guy and and hilarious and great guy um. but he pointed this out that uh you know. when a few years ago when Joe Rogan was. taking uh ior mechon his doctor. prescribed him I Veron after the fish. tank cleaner or the horse tranquilizer I. can't remember which all of them horse.

Dormer and there was there's a million. different things that ior mechon does. yet they all picked horse Dormer and. repeated that and then you know you. could look back sharp as attack Joe. Biden sharp as attack sharp as attack. everyone said this in private meetings. he's sharp as attack this people forget. the shortest lived propaganda campaign. ever which was way back last month was. uh cheap fakes yeah you remember for a. week you were told that there are these. videos they're kind of like deep fakes. what distinguishes them from Deep fak is. that they're real videos but but you see.

Tucker It's tot they're trying to make. it look like Joe Biden is old and scile. but that's all just [ __ ] or whatever. so they stay on message they very much. stay on message whereas the the Maga. movement has nothing like that and and. part of that is cuz Donald Trump's at. the top and Donald Trump doesn't stay on. message that's not how he works he's a. stream of conscious type thinker who uh. goes on stage and doesn't even know what. he's going to talk about he figures it. out while he's up there there's.

something kind of uh endearing about. that um and there's something but more. fundamentally one movement is about the. individual right and the other is about. the collective absolutely so the. collective doesn't care about your. opinion well it's it's amazing right. just that even of these people who work. in places that you used to work and and. some places you didn't work but like. people in the New York Times or the. Washington Post or CNN or NBC or CBS. that like all of them at least in their. own mind still pretend to be journalists. and and yet they have they're somehow.

able to just repeat the talking point. exactly verbatim as everyone else does. so anyway my point is we don't want to. be that because we don't want to be like. we don't want to all just be mindless. drones right however it is it's amazing. to me that Donald Trump no none of his. surgat no one like on the prot Trump. side seems to be able to effectively hit. Camala Harris with what is the most most. obvious thing to hit her with it's the.

greatest scandal in American history. which is like what you just say that we. don't have a president we the president. of the United States everybody has. essentially admitted is too scile to run. for. president yet he's going to be president. until January we are in a proxy war with. the biggest nuclear power in the history. of the world and we have another uh. proxy warish type thing that looks to be. um devolving into a wider Regional war.

in Israel and we don't have a president. this is like the biggest scandal in the. history of the Republic if we're a. republic anymore and and Cala Harris is. is directly implicated in this like she. was one of the major people lying. through her teeth that Joe Biden is. sharp as attack in private meetings and. it seems like somehow the Trump campaign. has not been able to effectively hit her. for this it's like right there in front.

of us you pulling Joe Biden out was. admitting that he's too scile to run for. president and yet you're not invoking. the 25th Amendment this is what it's for. he clearly can't be president and then. what does it say about the machine that. they're quite happy with that that that. works very well for them I I mean there. are two levels in which It's upsetting. one is the Practical level which is you. probably do want a commander-in-chief if. you're on the cusp of nuclear war which. we are but the other is philosophical.

and speaks to whether our current system. can continue I mean we're just admitting. now that the ex that we don't have an. executive that we don't need an. executive this is governed that we are. governed by an unelected body of people. whose names we don't know yeah whose. motives we don't understand like what. and and also as as we all end right and. as we all know the only reason they. pulled Joe Biden is because it came it. became clear he couldn't win but if he. could have won they'd be quite happy to. keep him in there like they like that. it's probably better that they don't.

have this guy who every now and then. might think he's president of the United. States why there no curiosity about who. they is yeah well that's a good question. I mean and I can't answer that I mean I. think most people assume Obama is at the. top of that pyramid but I can't confirm. that we don't know I haven't heard. really anybody in a position of. authority ask like who does run the. government yeah and I don't know that. there's an easy I mean I don't know the. answer to that but I don't know that. there is easy answer I don't think it's. Obama I mean I think OB has influence.

you know but I don't know how much Obama. really ran the government when he was. president of the United States I you. know I I certainly know that he he. definitely at the very beginning got. rolled by his generals um and I think. that he you know I I don't exactly know. where he was on some of these issues but. at least with like what he ran on in. terms of health care was not what. Obamacare was at all in fact he if you. remember way back in ancient history in.

2008 he Hillary Clinton was the one who. was for the individual mandate of and he. criticized her I actually thought it was. a great line he had in the debate he was. like the individual mandate solves the. health insurance crisis in the same way. that mandating you by a house solves the. homelessness problem which was like a. great line totally and that's totally. exactly right how does that help. anything to mandate you buy something. that you've already deemed you can't. afford to buy um but then that's what. Obamacare ultimately was and why is this.

good for the the insurance companies so. it's like it seems to me like he was. always getting rolled by what are the. powerful interests which are essentially. big business that owns the government. uses the government as a tool to. increase their profits so I don't know I. mean I don't know who's really running. things is it the Director of National. Intelligence is it uh Biden's Chief of. Staff I don't know but it's not Joe. Biden that's for sure and K Harris seems. like kind of flats him on the waves of.

History herself like she's not is she. making independent judgments and choices. that are is she driving her own. narrative I don't think so I don't think. she stands for anything you know I don't. think I think she's just like I don't. think there's one issue ever where it's. like no she believes in this passion and. she's going to and she's going to stand. up and try her best to make sure this. goes through it's kind of like you know. she was a an aggressive uh prosecutor in. California but if she was a prosecutor. right now in California I'm sure she'd. be one of these PR of prosecutors it's.

just like which way was the wind blowing. is that the thing to get me more power. well how's this for crazy has there ever. been a more volatile time in American. politics not in our lifetimes No One. Alive has ever seen anything like this. but long before things started to really. fall apart the Heritage Foundation saw. it coming Heritage has pulled together a. coalition of over a hundred. right-leaning groups to develop a. comprehensive plan for day one that. would include detailed policy proposals. on the most pressing issues the big ones. securing the Border controlling.

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to Speed Ahead of year no matter who. wins does anybody believe that our. system functions as advertised I mean do. we know too much to sort of continue it. is it's a good question and you know I. think that I think our our system has. worked this way for a very long time. what's really drastically changed is. that people have really woken up to it. um it's a mix of several things. obviously like the internet is a huge.

part of that and social media and stuff. like that and then also just the Trump. phenomenon of the kind of the deep State. coming out of the Shadows to some degree. you know and even I know I've heard you. talk about this uh the clip before and. I've played it a million times on my. podcast uh but where uh Chuck Schumer. was on with Rachel matto and he says the. thing which is amazing moment because if. you look she she goes off script and she. asks and she even says before she asked. the question she go go I don't mean to. put you on the spot here but.

president-elect Donald Trump this is in. January of 2016 he's won the election. but he's not president yet because. president-elect Donald Trump was just. tweeting you know whatever it talking. [ __ ] to the CIA or whatever and he just. off off the cuff in a real moment goes I. would not do that it was like the most. honest thing Chuck Schumer's ever said. it was amazing they have was six ways to. Sunday back at you but I never really. believed I mean I was an idiot obviously. I didn't really believe any of that I.

was hunting probably 10 years ago down. in South Texas right in the Rio Grand on. somebody's Ranch and this guy comes out. with a box about this big and a an. aerial like a. fiberglass line that went up and the end. of it was connected to a raccoon tail. and it was a coyote call and they turned. this thing on and it made the sound of a. dying. animal like just like from the depths of. Hades these sounds and then this tail. would whip around in the air like it's.

the weirdest thing I've ever seen in my. life and out of nowhere within about 3. minutes all these animals showed up. there's a big cat all these coyotes and. I thought that's kind of what Trump is. he's like a coyote colag he shows up and. out of this landscape that looks. desolate like nothing's going on all of. a sudden the Predators come out and you. see for the first time that you were. always surrounded Yeah by these things. they were always there you just didn't. see them yeah do you know what I mean. yeah and I felt that way very much about. the Intel agencies like of course I.

applied to work at one I knew they were. there um but I really had no idea the. degree which they were running. everything well I think that that's. exactly right right so it's like it's. not um so like say in like the '90s when. I was a kid um and and if my parents you. know had uh you know like they used to. always have a crossfire was before you. were on it it was the Pat Buchanan tomen. yeah there they'd have that on or. whatever and there'd be and they knew. the CIA existed it's not like they.

weren't aware and they were like yeah. it's a super secret spy organization. that does super secret spy stuff you. know they kind of knew that against. enemies right but it was never like a. thought like okay the the presidential. election between Clinton and Bob Dole is. coming up how much is the CIA just. crafting the illusion of what we see in. front of us that never would have been a. thought now that's a thought that's in a. lot of people's minds about like the. whole thing is fake there was a great. quote uh that your uh CIA guy had when.

you asked about the Kennedy. assassination it was such a great line. because goes yes the government was. involved it's all fake it's all fake. that's the perfect line to describe but. we know that I mean I think people know. that they know that and that's why. people everyone's going crazy and really. getting down these rabbit holes I. understand why but like how is that does. that ever change like once you know this. can you unknow it yeah that's a really. good question and I don't think I don't. think so I think that I don't think you. can put that toothpaste back in the tube. I think ultimately that's probably at.

least at this point that's. Trump's great accomplishment you know. for better or worse I I think it's for. the better I think it's better to know. things um than to be in a state of. ignorance but that is there is no. getting away from it and it's also it's. past the point especially for Trump. supporters I think we're way past the. point of them ever believing the system. is real like even in in uh 2020 if let's.

just say hypothetically that the. election was completely on the up and up. and there was no you know fraud involved. in the election Mark Zuckerberg didn't. spend 400 million well no but that I'm. saying that stuff we know is real right. even the Time Magazine uh piece that. they ran it's like so if you if you had. a guy in Donald Trump who the entire. media class and political class told you. that it cannot be this guy and not just. like your opposition like Mitt Romney.

the former the last nominee before him. said anyone but this guy everyone said. you can't have this guy and the voters. decided no we want this guy this is who. we want and so they framed him for. treason frame the sitting US president. for treason with a foreign hostile power. that completely collapsed it's weird you. don't hear anything about that anymore. right is isn't that just that in itself. so crazy that uh Vladimir Putin's plant. is possibly going to be president again. and no one in the media is even.

mentioning that as a thing and yet also. not apologizing like it's like they're. not how can you do neither of those. things how can you either say like oh. Russia's about to have control of the. White House again or hey we were wrong. about that whole Russia having control. of the White House thing but anyway so. they they frame him for treason they. impeach him twice they raid his home in. maral Lago they you know all these. things that happen how would you ever. after that if Trump loses let's say how. would any Trump supporter ever accept. that this was real that he had a real.

you know what I mean that like our team. actually lost and your team actually won. it's always going to be viewed as like. what it is so you made such a smart. point at breakfast um which I wish we. had filmed because it was great uh but. about how there's no effort by The. Establishment in Washington both parties. to win over people who support Trump. there's no effort to convince them to. coo. them it feels like the people who run. the country have like actually hate a.

lot of the country for real yeah and. there's um I was thinking about this I. recently um rewatched uh Pat Buchanan's. speech from the 1992 uh convention which. uh was an it's an amazing speech and uh. for he was a speech writer for Nicks and. he was really really good at writing. speeches you know like that was kind of. his thing and it got the media flipped. out about it they called it the culture. War speech and all this it wasn't like. really that culture warry really but.

there was this one point where he said. something along the lines of uh he was. talking about being on the campaign. Trail he had run and challenged George. HW Bush and this was him coming back in. to throw his supporters behind HW um a. mistake in my opinion but gave a great. speech uh regardless but he said at one. point that he was out there you know and. he was talking to people who were really. struggling as he was right you know. there's some woman who was talking about. how she lost her job um and they were. going to maybe take her kid away from.

her and then there was some guy who. worked at a plant that was going to. close down and he was like please save. our jobs and he kind of like touching. moments and his message to the. Republicans was like look like these. people are our people they're our fellow. countrymen and we have to like we have. to get back in touch with them and he. said at one point he goes they don't. expect miracles from us but they have to. at least know that we care like that's. that's kind of and it's a amazing how. little it takes you know like one of the.

things about this uh uh Waltz guy which. he is one of the things that I think is. one of the reasons why they picked him. is that he at least gets that you're. supposed to talk about issues that maybe. regular people might care about you know. and it almost this is why some of these. old. distinctions aren't as meaningful. anymore I mean don't get me wrong like I. I'm for Laz Fair free markets I'm a. Libertarian I do not like socialism um. but at least someone like Bernie Sanders.

is talking about like your health care. costs or take-home pay have all the. power a question yeah things that like. kind of matter whereas like the. corporate media is totally obsessed over. like January 6th climate change climate. change uh racism even like democracy and. this kind of weird abstraction the way. they talk about it it's like but no one. it's like you know what people care. about is like price inflation like. groceries are 30% more expensive that's. like a big deal and so anyway I think.

the pap you Canon point was like you got. to at least give them something just. something try to do something for these. people and it would I I would think it. would take very little I mean like I. think I've heard you say this before. where it's just kind of like all right. you guys get your wall you know what I. mean like you know okay Donald Trump won. and all you guys wanted to build okay so. we're going to build a wall cuz like. it's kind of a symbol that you still. have a little bit of say in how the. country is run and we're going to give. you that and maybe like two other little.

things and we're going to keep all of. the profits that we're raking in in the. you know it's like something they they. don't want to offer any deal to the. Trump supporters to try to pull them. back in to this system and that is very. creepy to make well it's ominous too. because if you don't care what people. think well first of all in a democracy. required to care what they think so you. know I guess we can settle that question. no it's not a democracy or even a. republic but if you don't care then you. can kind of do there's no limit to what. you can do to them. yeah well that's right that's right and.

and but also it even whether democracy. or not um because obviously we're not a. democracy and obviously we're not a. republic where we're an oligarchy that's. a world Empire and that's that's really. how you would describe America um but. even. in an an authoritarian dictatorship. there's limits to what you can do to. your people you know I mean there's like. you you have to at least convince them. that you're doing something on behalf of. them otherwise people won't uh put up.

with it anymore it requires a lot of. force to rule in a true autocratic way. and even in Middle Eastern theocracies. I've seen it you know the king or the. Crown Prince or the guy in charge takes. the temperature of the country every in. the UAE every week you know the head of. the country has to sit there while. people from the provinces come in and. complain to him in his house right and. it's it's not just a kabuki like they're. you know you have to keep in touch with. what people want and you sort of have to. deliver some percentage of it or at.

least pretend you are right yeah yeah. you would think so I mean it's kind of. like right in in a friendship or a. marriage or a business or anything. they're just like how about some more. suffering and degradation for you would. you like like a little more of that yeah. and that makes it makes me worry about. what happens if she wins yeah well um me. too although there's um you know I I. think I think um like Trump supporters. and people who are uh who are I think.

truly dissidents of of this regime have. to you know look like I said we're never. going to have the message discipline of. the establishment and that's okay we. don't want that I think we do have to be. wiser about like how exactly are we. going to attack this thing you know like. I'm I'm uh like a a I'm a hardcore. libertarian and there's that's a very. small group of people in this country. there there's some you know but there's. not that many no we can't you know now.

there's enough that like Donald Trump. came to the libertarian convention. because it's it's a ele presidential. elections are close these days and any. little block like helps but if you're. talking about like Trump supporters okay. hey you got tens of millions of people. in this country and you could see where. look there's there's real lessons to be. learned um from last year's the boycotts. of Target and Bud Light just in that. forget even like politics just in terms. of being consumers hey look at the power. you guys have if you decide to do.

something you can really do something. and you can change the the direction of. the culture the direction of the country. but you got to be really smart about. when you decide to do it and who you. decide to go after and I it man it was. frustrating to me to see like so Donald. Trump gets shot in the head you know. does this and it's the reason why he's. alive if he hadn't done that his brains. are blown out on national television now.

what we know about this and obviously. there's a lot more to uncover but let's. just say best case scenario it was a. wild failure uh you know like a failure. that you really can't even imagine. you've seen some of the videos this kid. is walking around and scoping out the. area for over an hour before he's there. he's allowed to be on a roof that's uh. hundred 50 yard away from the former.

president of the United States of. America people on the ground are. screaming this guy's got a gun and okay. so like but Joe Biden's employees. allowed it Joe Biden's employees they're. executive branch employees and and also. take into account all the other things. that they've done to this guy and then. they allowed this to happen yes and two. weeks. later all of right-wing Twitter is up in. arms about some TR in the opening. ceremony of the Olympics and it's like.

guys Focus like you know like come on. man I don't like that stuff either and I. think it's awful that they're shoving. that in everyone's face and that. shouldn't have been at the opening. ceremonies but hey no no no no no no. outrage is a finite resource just like. everything else and we are outraged. about this thing you know like not that. we're outraged about this and and and. all it would take would be a little bit. of focus okay we're not going to have. the message discipline of the the. corporate media but like just a little. bit of focus from the diss to just like.

pick like four things that we're going. to focus on all of our energy like that. we're getting the bottom of that. assassination attempt what the hell. happened there you know they could do it. we could figure that out this isn't this. isn't Kennedy where we have one you know. film that we have to all rely on we got. a bunch of different camera angles we. got we can track this kid's cell phone. we could do all types of different. things and like to me the major man my. first message to every like America. first type or or even like or the Glenn.

Greenwald like true leftists or anyone. who's kind of a dissident of this regime. it's like the the rule is we only. support America First. non-interventionist candidates and. anybody who has anything to say to you. about war with Iran is your enemy you're. not on their side and you're not. supporting them you will not support. Lindsey Graham you know how the hell let. a Democrat get in who cares is it any. worse than lindsy Graham no it would be.

much better probably of course because. it's more straightforward I I completely. agree with you completely and it's and. it is the neocons it's all the. Republican Senate committee chairman. it's Lindsey Graham it's Mitch McConnell. it's all the creepy uh War worshippers. who will immediately on every other. issue whip around and betray you yeah no. that's exactly because they're. fundamentally corrupt and you just don't. agree with them and you know maybe some. of them are nice I haven't met any but. I'm sure that they're they exist but um.

yeah they shouldn't be in the Coalition. but to the. assassination it seems like you know the. difference between you know climate. change or Equity or Sy systemic racism. and assassination is like bullets are. real we can measure their trajectory we. can measure their effect we saw it on. video like that's actually real in the. way that war is real violence is real. and so that's got to be at the top. position of concern right oh yeah 100%.

then I don't I don't understand how we. could just alide right past that yeah. yeah what do you think actually happened. um you know I I gotta say it's just it. looks like it is what it obviously is. yeah I agree with that I mean I just I I. don't know like I I don't know enough to. prove the case I did see there was um. there was I can't remember who somebody. at the. blaze um who had they had reported that. you know cuz you know the it's not just.

the government who's tracking your. phones it's like a million every app is. tracking your phones yeah you can buy. the geolocation yeah so they had they. had a phone from the shooter's house. that had gone to DC and been at this. spot that's like known to be where FBI. meets with like their informant and. stuff like that right down the road from. FBI headquarters yeah what are we. looking at here and then of course you. know I mean it's like look let's just. say there's a like a a serial killer in. a neighborhood and they've killed like. 11 people and then there's a 12th person.

who's dead and you see that serial. killer leaving their house on video it's. like okay I'm not saying that's maybe. not enough evidence to go to a court of. law and and prove Beyond a reasonable. doubt that this person killed them but I. me like if we're all just looking at. that we're like I'm pretty I'm my. starting assumption is going to be that. guy did it you know what I mean and like. it's just every listen you predicted. this uh a a year ago. obviously on the trajectory to.

ending and so then when it happens it is. pretty difficult to not go all right I. mean because if it's not that then. you're saying okay so what explains this. guy being a block away from the FBI. building uh what explains the fact that. this was allowed to happen I mean it's. just so it's so hard to understand what. other explanation that b Administration. clearly planted or allowed the planting. of but I think they clearly did plant. pipe bombs on the morning of January 6th.

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thing distract you yeah you know the. moving walnut shell just remember what. you care about is who's got the guns. yeah yeah watch the guns that's why I. think we don't pay any attention all to. what's happening in the United States. military which is clearly wildly. politicized that's not accidental it's. not ideological it's practical yeah you. suborn the people with guns you control. the people with guns and then you have. power because it's out of the barrel of. a gun the political power grows right. yeah right so I don't know why no one is. focused on that stuff but if the Secret.

Service heavily armed Federal agency is. a political tool then I mean then it's. like you really have to rethink the. terms 100% And and to your point about. the the three card Monty thing is like. what I was saying about the Olympic. Opening Ceremonies right is that there. are like there are these things that are. clearly done to trigger right-wingers of. course like this is we're just doing the. thing that makes the the conservative. DNA's blood boil right and so like okay.

be aware of that now I'm not even I'm. not saying that there's not a point. where that is necessary to fight again. like you know if they're if they're. coming after your children or something. like that and or teaching like this. garbage to kids okay no listen I I get. it that is something that's worth uh. that's worth dying over you know what I. mean and I'm not suggesting anybody do. anything illegal or come I'm just saying. that like someone coming after your. children is something okay that must be. fought but um but also just at least. recognize that like yes this is a tactic.

it's a distraction tactic to get you. caught up in the latest outrage of the. day and then also to look crazy to. normal people you know so like they're. like to to someone who's in the middle. or maybe someone who's like you know. kind of a more liberal person but. they're not part of an evil cabal. they're just you know grew up in. Brooklyn or whatever it's like they just. see rightwing like man these guys are. like obsessed over like whether there. was dude in a dress at the opening. ceremony like that it's much easier to.

dismiss you whereas if you're like. relentlessly focused on something that. really matters it's much more difficult. and so that's a big part of it right. like yeah don't get distracted by the. three card Monty and then to your point. I think that um about like who controls. the guns I think that's also a big part. of the reason why they uh they've been. so um triggered by the Trump movement in. general is also because Donald Trump is. leading a right-wing populist movement.

and that's very scary to Elites because. it's armed it's armed and tough yeah you. know I mean like a leftwing populist. should be afraid yeah I hope they are. afraid yeah no I think I think that's. right and and you know I was talking. about this I was I was down with uh um. Candace Owens uh I just did her podcast. last week and I was talking about this. but it's not like they're not a fan of. left-wing populism either they hate it. you know yeah no they don't like it um. they don't I mean we went to war with. Russia to hide the fact that they r the. primaries against Bernie Sanders a. leftwing populist like that's that's.

right right and there's a reason why. they rigged the election against Bernie. Sanders there's a reason why he was. unacceptable to them um but. not they didn't freak out quite the way. they did over Donald Trump and I think a. lot of that's because if you look at the. people in Bernie Sanders movements what. are they going to do about it yeah like. okay you've armed you've you've gotten. all of the male feminists together okay. good good luck with the you know that. overthrowing power however when you get.

every barrel chested man in America. every gun enthusiast every Outdoorsman. and and also a ton of cops and Military. which by the way I think kind of. explains what you're talking about with. the politicizing of the military it's. been and that was a big part of what the. vax Mandate was too we got to get some. of these guys out of here you know like. they're afraid of testosterone and they. want to identify who's got it in. abundance and they want to isolate and. punish those people why they're against. nicotine that's why walls rais the taxes.

on nicotine pouches they're of course. they're not carc there's no evidence by. the way that nicotine is a curen it's. not that we know of it's it's all a lie. and what they hate about nicotine is it. raises testosterone levels they even. suppress that fact that's a fact on. Google Google nicotine and testosterone. and see how many results it takes you to. get to the core truth which is yes. nicotine use raises testosterone level. man it is way way down and that's not an. accident they're afraid of testosterone.

yeah no what L uh 100% that's like. completely right and even on top of even. like say uh cigarettes where like there. certainly is some evidence that like. cigarettes are very bad for you there. overwhelming evidence that yeah they are. shouldn't smoke cigarettes although it. is cool it's really cool I miss it. vaping is so lame every time I do it I. wish I was just smoking a cigarette but. anyway okay but the TRS exactly. tradeoffs makes my wife happier so okay. it's worth it um but. uh you know it's like I travel the. country a lot as I'm a standup comic I'm.

on the road all the time and it's like. look there's no question way less people. smoke now than used to it's like okay. that worked it turns out economic. incentives do work do you ta something. you get less of it than you otherwise. would that's why it's so great that we. tax income uh get less of that than you. otherwise would um but so but I go all. throughout this country and like yeah. people don't smoke as much as they used. to but everywhere you go it's. just Arby's McDonald's Burger King you.

know it's like it's not it's not like. health is really the concern here so. like what is actually the concern well. Public Health has gotten much worse in. the last 30 oh so you don't have a. problem with people being lethargic and. obese you have a problem with them. smoking cigarettes so what explains that. and I think you just explained it it's. same reason they don't like the AR-15. because it's a visible sign of your. autonomy right and they hate that it's a. threat to their control and um no I I. couldn't agree more so Tim walz just.

just to descend into the political for a. second what do you make of that pick. how's that going um you know I was I was. somewhat surprised I by it I didn't. think I would have bet money Shapiro was. getting it yeah I I thought um until I. mean they kind of sent the signals over. the last couple weeks that he was out. but I was assuming Mark Kelly was going. to be the guy cuz he's uh he from what. understood they were friendly with. Harris he's got kind of this thing where.

like um his wife was shot and he's an. astronaut and there is just something. about that that's like you kind of like. can't help but like it is an archetype. of like a of a guy who's appealing and. also because uh he's in Arizona yeah um. so I just thought he was the obvious. choice um the Shapiro thing I think. evidently came down to him just being. like too ambitious and kind of like. Kamal Harris can't really have someone. around her who who's that what I mean. like you just can't cuz she's so. unimpressive he wasn't beta enough yeah.

well that's right and then I guess this. guy fit that that mold I do um my. initial impression this is not somebody. I knew much about until this last week. um but my initial impression is that uh. he's also very. unimpressive um and that he's not. particularly bright and he he does at. least as I mentioned he does at least. seem to understand that you got to try. to talk about stuff that people actually. care about and and he understands that. we live in a populist moment so he's.

trying to be kind of a populist or. present himself that way but I again I. just think the thing is I think it's. totally fake and astroturfed and the. idea that we're supposed to um you know. pretend that he has you know like it's. remember when they they were like bet. aor has the it Factor you know it's just. so what are you talking about what world. are you living in where you look at that. guy you go man just dripping with. Charisma you know it's like so they're.

doing that right now like I just and. this is just totally anecdotal and I. don't know what it means but I have. personally I've gotten like 30 text. messages about donating to Democrats in. the last two weeks and I've never. donated to no I I donated to Tulsi. gabard uh when she was running uh in in. 2019 it was because it was like the. thing where you needed individual. donations to make the debate stage and I. just wanted her on the debate stage uh. for the so but I'm and so I mean they're.

they're doing all types of uh. maneuvering to give the impression that. there's you know enthusiasm and support. for these guys in including things like. having I don't know I'm I'm out of touch. in old but having like all these Like. Rappers or whatever at her event so you. get a bunch of people who are like going. to see you know the rapper and then you. go look at all these people coming at. Kamala Harris's event they have all of. their like techniques uh that they use I. just I I think it's it's fake all of it. well that walls guy I mean I don't want.

to be too unfair cuz I don't know him. and I don't have any hard evidence he's. he's a weirdo that guy's weird he seems. I'm sorry there's something not right. about that guy's personal life um so I. hope I'm wrong because I don't I don't. want people like that with power but. most people I know with power in Wason. have personal lives who would not. withstand scrutiny at all uh so but I I. think that but I can't get past the core. fact about walls which is he presided. over. allowed the biggest city in the state to.

get burned down and seemed to not only. allow it but kind of likeed support it. you know kind did you see the video of. his wife saying I kept the windows open. so I could smell the burning rubber from. the ri I did not see that wow the wife. whose hand he shook oh my God by the way. I I mean I know it's let be picking on a. little thing but who the hell shakes. their wife's hand well KLA Harris and. her fake husband kissed each with masks. on I mean what it's just so I guess look.

I I think I'm pretty libertarian on the. per I am I mean I'm been in TV my whole. life I know a lot of people with weird. personal lives I'm not a judger at all. yeah sure however if everybody in power. has some sort of weird celibate you know. Mitch McConnell and his wife and KLA. Harrison her husband this Tim Walls guy. like there's just no chance these are. normal marriages at all that's not good. yeah and people were and they were they. were jumping on uh on JD Vance uh for I. think it was with you uh I think it was.

an old clip where he was just talking. about like all these childless people. making decisions for the country and and. look like I'm not I'm not uh again I'm. I'm with you on that I'm not like. judging people I don't think there are. some people who shouldn't have kids you. know it's it's the best thing I've ever. done but I I certainly think there are. people who wouldn't make very good. parents there are people who are very. bad parents who probably would have been. I'm not for mandatory. childbearing but but like come on there. is something. to be said for like I kind of would like. a lot of our leaders to like yeah just.

be in a marriage where they love their. wife and they have some kids I think it. gives you some Stakes that you really. can't get any other way um and yeah. there's just it is there is no question. it is very very bizarre people who seem. to disproportionately rise to the top. and it's so obvious that they're bizarre. I mean I look at this walls guy and I'm. like again I don't know I don't have a. police report that I'm not sharing or. something but that that guy not. babysitting my kids like no way no way.

which is what what's so strange about. them going with the line of JD vce being. weird like I I understand they're in. like a little bit of a pickle where. they're like okay they have to find ret. you know the Trump just got shot so they. have to kind of pull back on like the. Nazi stuff because it's not really. working and also it's really hard to say. you're not kind of you know it's really. hard to be like oh the the right- wiers. are inciting viol when they say fake. news but like we're not inciting.

violence when we say the democracy's on. the line unless this guy is taken out. you know um but it's like weird you're. using the word weird you're the party of. freaks I know like what are you talking. about how are you going to how is weird. going to be a pejorative for you when. you're literally sitting here going you. see that that dude with a beard and a. dress that's a beautiful woman and then. you could call someone else weird it's. just so strange. accusation is an admission um but I also.

think it's just I don't want to go on. too much I I don't want to be mean but. it's it's interesting I've always. thought this was so strange especially. in the Democratic party you know they're. always telling you that you know gay is. great it's better to be gay we love gays. we're celebrating Stonewall okay fine um. but then there's so many people in the. Democratic party who are closeted. including in you know positions of real. power I know them I don't believe in. outing people and I'm I'm not going to. but I know that for a fact and it's like. on what grounds are you hiding it.

actually that's that's too much I can't. I also have absolutely nothing against. uh gay people I do have an issue with. people living a lie well kind of yeah. because there's something about it's. also not just lying but living a lie is. like a it's a profound thing where you. get used to every inch of your existence. being a lie who the very nature of Who. You Are is a lie and that just obviously.

leads to like people who have the. ability to totally lie about who they. are that I do have an issue with nicely. put and there's so much of it I can't. get over it and I'm not saying that as. like a blue noose. or even as a as a judgment on the. morality of it but I mean I just find it. so striking like how many people like. that are there in Washington it's wildly. disproportionate wildly. even compared to like San Francisco or. some libertine place like that the West.

Village there are freakier personal. lives in DC I just find that really. really telling I don't know what it. means exactly but it has to do with. lying yeah yeah that's right and I don't. exactly know either I mean I do think. that like. um look as we've kind of learned like a. bit from the Jeffrey ebstein yes uh. thing and you know I guess we're you. know so we find out that there's this um. this uh child pedophile blackmail ring.

that uh was pretty clearly involved a. foreign country um and it's going around. compromising uh political leaders and. and influential people and I guess we're. supposed to pretend like that must have. been the only one and it's over now I. mean we never got to the bottom of it. and sure all of the cameras. malfunctioned and the guy you know. committed suicide and we never get The. Client List and we never get. the sitting Attorney General of the. United States bar covered it up lied to.

cover it up which he did yep that's. right and uh I've said that a bunch of. times and every time he tells someone I. know that you know that's outrageous he. complains and I hope he'll sue me over. that because it's true let's go to. Discovery 100% bar lied about it right. and so okay but why what was that right. well that's the big question and then. like what is what is still going on I. mean obviously there were people above. Jeffrey Epstein involved in it and. obviously there if you were doing. something like that you wouldn't only. have one you know what I mean like there.

and so you do it does at least make you. wonder like oh is it is it possible that. people who obviously people who can be. blackmailed are very easy to control and. so oh why would it be that there there. are so many people in in powerful. positions who have these secret weird. personal lives and I. think plausibly part of that explanation. is because is like well okay then. they're very easy to Blackmail you can. control them do you ever think about.

your own life in these terms like you. you're one of the people who will just. say what you think is true period and. you're always punching up not down. always yeah and um I don't know there's. a non-trivial risk to that do you ever. consider that as the father of small. children yeah yeah no I've definitely. thought about it before um and I guess. like I don't know I guess because of the. world that I'm in which is like totally. removed from the world of power you know.

like I'm not I've never been in DC and. I've never been in you know and uh and. I'm like in I'm in comedy clubs and then. just doing podcasts on the internet so I. guess I feel a little bit removed from. the threat as like my profile's gotten. bigger it's something I I think about. more um I just I don't know I kind of. like can't. stop I I'm just I I don't know listen. man if it ever really came down like if. my kids were ever threatened you could. by the way anybody CIA if you're.

listening or whatever I would I would. protect them first and foremost I tot. you know whatever I had to do I would do. that Daddy's going to shut up now yeah. yeah if I ever felt like that was really. um the threat um or my wife for you know. for that matter um but I do just think. that it's it's something that's kind of. hard to describe that what I do is this. is my calling in life it's just what I'm. supposed to do and my greatest heroes. all of them first and foremost I was. talking to you about before is Ron Paul. um and he always just told the truth.

even when it was like something that. would get him booed out of an arena or. something that would be like very. controversial that would make him look. bad that was just his thing and those. are the people I admire you know um and. I feel like you do that it's something I. admire about you I feel like Joe older. so it doesn't matter but you got to. wonder like the estein I did not take. the Epstein murder which it was a murder. not a suicide seriously at all um and. then you know spent a lot of time. learning about it and talking to his. brother Mark about it and I think.

becoming something of an expert on it he. was murdered and so but then you have to. think well he was murdered not in his. bedroom or on West 57 Street he was. killed in the special housing unit of. federal lock up in Manhattan like the. most like the inner sanctum of the Vault. yeah so okay then the next I guess. conclusion would have to be anyone with. the power to do that can pretty much do. anything in this temporal world right so. that's a pretty formidable whoever did. that and we could you know I have.

theories on it but can't prove it but. somebody did it and those are the people. that like maybe you shouldn't criticize. yeah right yeah I mean there's certainly. there's a point to that um there's also. you know I also you know in saying like. having little kids like I also I have a. son and I do feel an enormous pressure. um to um to be an example for him and. and to be a man. it was a pressure I never felt until I. had a son um maybe that's the sexist in.

me I mean I just didn't feel that same. pressure with my my daughter um I my. wife is also like she's so great that I. always just kind of when we our first. was a daughter and I always felt when I. had her I was like oh like uh I was like. okay my job's pretty easy actually. because I know first I know she's a. great uh like role model to her she's. like just an unbelievable example of of. being a great woman so she's gotten. basically what I have to do is like you. know protect her and provide for her and. love her and that's that's really come.

actually comes very natural to you're. not teaching your daughter how to become. a woman right exactly your job um and. then when we had a son it like kind of. hit me like oh I have to teach him how. to be a man so I better figure out how. to be a man real quick and then I can. teach this to my to my boy you exactly. right but I think one of the. foundational things about being a good. man is telling the truth um and even. when there's some risk involved in that. so I do also feel like kind of a. pressure that it's like well no then. those are the people are exactly who I.

should be criticizing and talking about. um now as far as you know all I would. just say my only push back on on what. you said is that it's not yes they can. touch someone in you know a secure. prison so that's certainly something. they demonstrate they have the ability. to do also I don't know that it was ever. supposed to get to that point and I. don't know that we're supposed to know. about it and we're supposed to be having. this convers right now so clearly it. didn't go exactly according to plan. right a smart point so that's the kind.

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bad well people getting arrest of were. Facebook posts yeah and this is why like. um you know people especially. particularly like the dissident that. that I was talking about like you really. got to be smart in the way that you. fight these things and so you know like. I uh I was talking about when there was. um there was one one of Donald Trump's. like uh s there was a big like kind of. group uh of trump supporters who were.

outside protesting and I I remember I. tweeted uh that day and I was like hey. uh dear Trump supporters if you happen. to see a barrel chested man outside. screaming storm the courthouse just go. ahead and don't storm the courthouse you. know like it's like let's just like. let's be smart about the way you try to. go about this thing you do not this is. an asymmetrical conflict you do not want. uh you know a a conflict you do not want. to you don't want a conflict in the. sense of like let's let's storm the.

capital how's that going to work out for. you okay no this is just going to be the. excuse now of course which of obviously. the thing was an inside job to a large. degree can we just establish it anybody. who screamed let's storm the capital I. can think of two people who did who was. not arrested didn't spend time in jail. was defended by democrats in the. Congress yes um but he and he wasn't. alone there's another prominent person. who that as well as I know you know. didn't get arrested didn't go to.

jail I I mean what can we conclude from. that yes and all of the and and just you. know the um the the stuff where you uh. you interviewed the head of uh St son. yeah right and so I mean all just all of. the things together you can kind of. obviously see what it was um but that so. you don't want you don't want to Riot. you don't want to do things like that. because then that would be an excuse for. our government to do exactly the the. government in the UK is doing right now. right was crack down on Facebook posts. or whatever you know and so you don't.

want to fight it that way but you know. the I do believe like this this country. can still be saved or it could be a lot. less worse than the possibilities uh are. the the country's been in very bad. points before not exactly the same as. where we are right now what's uh what's. what's scary about the current position. is that it's it's all of these fact S. Plus the like Financial realities uh. they they kind of create this weird.

super storm of things where it's a. cultural phenomenon a political. phenomenon and then it's also just like. a debt and and uh derivatives and bonds. and like things that are like all. completely unsustainable but I do think. that like like I was saying like there's. we have a big opportunity if we could. really just focus and kind of get people. who we have these GI platforms like this. show it's really incred I I don't think. you can overstate how amazing it is that.

like the Dynamics have shifted. technologically and culturally to the. point where say someone like okay so. Bill O'Reilly obviously a a very. different person than you and was. never was never a Critic of the regime. and the meaningful way that you were at. at Fox News but he was the number one. cable news show at the 8m hour at Fox. News and they fired him and he largely.

went away I know he still got his show. he still got a little bit of an audience. um but he's not really involved in the. National conversation anymore like Bill. O'Reilly was like moving the national. conversation at one point many many. years like his opinion was going to was. going to have significant influence over. a large portion and they were able to. like get rid of him um you on the other. hand the number one show on F on cable. news the 8:00 P.M hour they go we're.

going to do the same thing to you and. you're like many times bigger than you. were at F that's that's a crazy thing. that's like that signals something is. totally different about the dynamic. that's primarily a technology change I. think it's that's certainly a big part. of it um that now there there was uh it. it's also probably has something to do. with you having a younger audience than. him because Bill O'Reilly's audience was. much older and it's much tough to get. that audience to go over to the internet. they just don't understand it as much.

it's a different moment and yes yes. television is just is obviously on its. way out anyway so the my timing was not. that I was in charge of it but it was. turned out to be good no I mean. obviously look a lot of it was things. that you were in control of a lot of it. was things that you weren't not in. control but but the fact that we've got. these kind of like alternative platforms. now which really aren't even alternative. I mean this is kind of the mainstream. you know I mean it's not Brian stelter. ain't the mainstream you know what I.

mean it's like so it's it's you andan. and you know Candace Owens Show is like. taken off and there's all these like big. shows and so okay we've got a new tool. in our in our disposal here and you know. it's like part of the thing that's so. frustrating to me which watching uh. Trump's campaign so far as it's like I. don't know who who he has running this. thing but it is not ites not have the. Brilliance that Steve Bannon had in 2016. where they really figured out like this.

is the lane you run in and you're and. and there's so many things about um and. so anyway I guess what I'm saying is. that like these audiences man need to. pressure Donald Trump right now to be. better and to run a smarter campaign so. if you're Trump what do you run on right. now well okay so first of all it's like. you understand that the whole appeal of. Donald Trump was that he was a giant. middle finger to The Establishment who's. failed on everything there was a reason.

why people wanted a big middle finger to. them cuz they failed on everything just. just look at in the 21st century alone. what has the ruling Elite handed the. American people I mean like they failed. uh on. 911 they then used 9911 to fight a bunch. of Wars they already wanted to fight. that were catastrophic just just. absolutely disastrous to press their own. population yes they stripped us of all. types of basic Liberties that we took.

forting us at the airport that's right. yeah then they handed us the greatest. Financial recession in uh in 100 years. they gave us um the the Obama recovery. which was like the the most you know. crony recovery built off 0% interest. rates and record high government. spending so the the recovery essentially. was Wall Street and the suburbs of. Washington DC yes you know this Le then. there's the rise of wokeism all this.

insane stuff that they're pushing on. people um now they've given us this. disastrous uh war in Ukraine um all this. stuff right they literally created Co. yeah yeah yes they and then stripped us. of our civil liberties in the name of. fighting something that they created in. a lab with our supposed enemy China like. what they right they created the thing. yes allowed and I don't mean. intentionally cuz I don't actually think. that's the. case who knows but they allowed the.

condition for this to happen um and then. used that to have the biggest Crackdown. on the Liberties of the American people. in our in our nation's history um they. and and all on the basis of. pseudoscience it was all completely. wrong. okay so they've given all of us so like.

the lane here is that you Donald Trump. represent the repudiation of all of that. and that's how you won in 2016 obviously. preo but that's how you won in 2016 you. were a repudiation of the bushes and the. clintons not just the clintons not just. the the Democrat establishment but also. the last Republican president he got on. stage and said he lied us into war I. mean like this is what gave you that. energy this year in the campaign I mean. look how however you feel about Israel.

the fact that Donald Trump has made the. whole campaign you know his convention. is the pro-israel convention and then. it's like oh commala Harris you're a. she's a Palestinian Chuck Schumer's a. Palestinian they're all a bunch of left. it's like well now what you're. supporting the status quo which is that. America supports Israel that's what. every powerful person in DC believes all. of them including Cala Harris by the way. who's a part of an Administration that. is completely supporting Israel's war in.

Gaza right now like what do you what is. this weird invent and then he even. frames it as they're all these left-wing. socialists you know they're all the like. so he's almost like putting himself in. the position as the defender of the. establishment against the radicals who. would overthrow The Establishment and. what have a revolution of the workers or. something like that none of this is. first off it's not. that's not at all what's going on. they're The Defenders Of The. Establishment yes they use some leftwing.

rhetoric to P people against each other. and create a culture War to distract. from their terrible policies but they're. not. marxists this is so ridiculous you know. what I mean and so like first of all. look Donald Trump I'm not saying it's. painful to hear this because it's so. true well I'm not saying you have to. come at you don't have to be me okay and. you. don't well you shouldn't be me by the. way cuz my if you were saying what I. think it probably wouldn't get you. elected you know what I mean you can. come out there and say we love Israel we.

will always defend Israel Israel is a. great country um but we are we're not. funding aggressive Wars around the. country what is that have to do with. anything I I just don't see why it's. even relevant um but if you want to be. the anti-establishment guy you can't. take the establishment position okay so. that's where you're speaking the deepest. level of Truth in my opinion you are not. the incumbent the incumbent have wrecked. the country yeah they're I mean off the. cliff is not too strong a metaphor for.

what they're doing and you're opposing. that so Hoist the middle finger you're. opposed to that you are not on the side. of the establishment I don't understand. why that's just not hard I put that on. the refrigerator and just meditate on it. every day well I also will say one of. the things that was kind of magical. about Donald Trump's 2016 campaign which. really I mean it just it it can't be. overstated how amazing what he did was. however you feel about him and the guy. on a shring budget uh went out there and.

just through use of social media and his. kind of bombastic personality was able. to completely dominate the news cycle. and took out the bushes and the clintons. the two most powerful political families. in in modern American history he took. both of them out in this crazy upset but. part of the way that he did that was. that there were these issues that were. like overwhelmingly popular that no one. else wanted to touch it's like there it.

was like if there was like a poker game. and there was just like pocket aces that. like everyone's like I don't want those. cards and then Donald Trump was like. I'll play those cards those are very. good cards I'll play p uh how about how. about build a wall stop the flood of. illegal immigration like how about we. can have immigration but like we get to. decide who comes in and does it it's. wildly popular with people oh open. borders aren't popular they I mean you. it's hard to even find polling on them. because it's so unpopular that people.

won't even ask the question you know. like they ask like do you want higher. levels of immigration or lower level but. the only polls I've seen it's like. single digits you know maybe 7% of. people support open borders maybe less. than that but so he just playing these. hey we shouldn't fight stupid Wars that. turns out that's a wildly popular. position however I will say with this uh. you know the majority of americ amans. don't want to support uh Israel's war in. Gaza but he won't play that card for.

whatever reason maybe it's because he. believes it maybe it's because uh Jared. Kushner convinced him of this or maybe. it's I don't know but he's not going to. play that card and just say hey we're. broke here we're $35 trillion in debt. and we can't afford to uh prop up other. listen when um I'm like a strict. non-interventionist I I'm like John. Quincy Adams I don't think America. should fight anything if we're attacked. we destroy those people but that's. essentially it you know um but when uh a. couple months ago when Iran in response.

to Israel uh killing an Iranian it when. they launched those missiles at at. Israel and a team of Nations led by the. United States all helped defend Israel. it was a Jordan and Saudi Arabia were. involved too by the way which kind of. goes to show you the real dynamics of of. that region um but no one's really. complaining about that like okay fine. I'm a non-interventionist but like if. missiles are coming toward Israel go. ahead shoot them down fine that doesn't.

mean we have to help them that doesn't. mean we have to fund them fighting their. war and then also just the fact that. like there's a foreign country we're not. allowed to criticize and people's. careers get ruined over that this is I'm. sorry listen if you want to be America. First benj what does America First mean. right it means we shouldn't have fought. the war in Iraq or whatever something. okay who really wanted us to fight the. war in Iraq you know I'm just saying. it's like no like like all these guys. and it's like they come back in now with.

the natcon movement is uh Douglas uh. Colonel McGregor had a great article. about this earlier this summer um he. co-authored it in the American. conservative but it's like all this new. natcon movement that has all this kind. of like pro-israel stuff coming into it. it's it's the title of the piece is a. neoconservatism by another name oh was a. great piece everybody should go read it. um but it's like well who do you think. the neocon were who wanted us to fight. the war in Iraq like I said last time on. here go read a clean break a new.

strategy for securing The Realm by. Richard Pearl and David wormser it was. about overthrowing Saddam Hussein for. Israel's benefit like I'm not against. Israel I'm Jewish I like Israel it's a. cool country I the people there are. great I'm just saying that if you're. America first then the guy Benjamin. Netanyahu the guy who testifies before. Congress that we should go overthrow. Saddam Hussein and launch a regime. change war against Iran and launch a war. in Libya that's not your ally the whole. America first thing is that we don't. think we should go fight all of these. stupid Wars unless they help us right.

right you know unless there's some. coherent justification for them at least. but so okay so Donald Trump he needs to. just play there's there's a few things. that he could laser focus on right now. and he he should Donald Trump should be. asking himself the question that Hillary. Clinton asked herself in 2016 the most. obnoxious question ever but why are you. not up by 50 points right now Donald. Trump why is that all listen no just run. on this no more stupid Wars period we're.

not fighting any wars of choice we are. only fighting Wars of necessity which we. do not have any right now Iran puny. little Iran is a threat to the United. States of America give me a [ __ ]. break come on this is too ridiculous and. he should if anyone should he should. have the courage to say there's no push. back from anyone question of going to. war with so if you have a highly. motivated um Force pushing for something.

and there's no organized resistance to. it that force will prevail yeah and what. I see is a bipartisan push Republican. and Democrat push toward war with. Iran no even attempt to explain why this. is in my interest why I should send my. four draft a children to go die in Iran. yeah not even a conversation about that. so I I feel like unless I'm missing. something we're going to get that war. well they you know the the problem at. least it's been a while since I read.

this but uh um uh Scott Horton um who's. totally brilliant you should have him on. man he's uh um he was like uh Justin. Rondo's disciple uh just like he's uh. he's at antiwar.com and he's just like. IQ off the charts and he wrote the book. enough already um which is about book. about the terror uh the war on terror um. from Jimmy Carter all the way through. Donald Trump Trump and um he's he's. currently writing a book on the war in. Ukraine which I got an advanced copy of.

is phenomenal I can't wait to send this. to you when it comes out it's so good um. it's called provoked and it's just the. whole story of how at every turn the. West provoked the war with Ukraine so. good um I really can't wait for that to. come out and people to read it but you. know what stopped the war in Iran the. first time was really the military when. when Dick Cheney wanted it and George W. I think George W bush eventually like. was like I've been listening to this guy. too much this was like by 2007 he had. finally figured out like let me stop.

listening to Dick Cheney cuz you know. yeah but um but it was really the. military it was just like Logistics like. they were just like guys we do not have. escalation dominance against Iran we. like they yes we we're not going to lose. the war but like they can Target so many. American bases over there and it's just. going to be a blood bath like this isn't. you know there was one Green Beret who. told me off camera but he told me he. goes this isn't like 10 times harder. than fighting a war in Iraq fighting a. war in Iran is a thousand times harder.

it's this is a whole different ball game. so perhaps that reality will will stop. it from happening but even just like. even just the rhetoric about like being. tough on them it's like why why are we. even talking like this why are we. constantly trying to escalate here it's. so simple and it's popular with the. American people no more stupid Wars look. even even the the one of the amazing. things in how much Munich and right.

right I mean Chamberlain there I go. again being Neville Chamberlain the only. lesson of History ever is Neville. Chamberlain you're always right if. you're on the side of aggression you. know but never if you're talking they. don't know anything about nille Chamber. Of course or the history of the war at. all so they always tell you it's the. most important election of your lifetime. but of course this one actually is. that's demonstrable and it's also. because it is so important being. censored at every level by the tech. companies so we were thinking about this. a couple of months ago and we thought. why not get on the road live in front of.

actual people live audiences Coast to. Coast a nationwide tour where we can't. be censored that'd be good it would also. be fun so we're doing it we're going to. be on stage with some of our friends. some of the most fascinating people we. know the most recognizable people we. know responding to what is happening in. America this September in real time. it'll be just like the podcast but it's. going to be live so we're excited to. announce our friend Larry Elder is. coming to join us in Milwaukee Wisconsin. our friend John Rich will be there with.

us in Sunrise Florida we're adding more. stops you just added another Stadium. show in Reading Pennsylvania we'll be. joined on stage by Alex Jones they tell. you what Alex Jones is like have you. seen them in person you should make up. your own mind it's going to be fun as. hell and interesting and intense and we. hope you will join us go to. tuckercarlson.com right now to get your. tickets see you there um but like but. one of things that's really interesting. that's changed very drastically in a. short period of time on the kind of the.

right in America is that at least what I. get now the talking point for Donald. Trump like from Donald Trump's. supporters is that um there were no new. Wars he didn't start any new Wars which. is I do love that that's the talking. point like it's never like he killed all. the terrorists or he he was so tough. where the Democrats are wimpy his. supporters are bragging that he didn't. get us into a new war now. okay I you know the reality is that like. came pretty close actually in Iran and.

Venezuela he really flirted with new. Wars I was there and he didn't end the. wars that he said he was going to end. and so there's some criticism but it's. kind of like look this is what your own. supporters like about you so just run on. that and then the other thing man that. and he feels it too he feels it I mean. one thing I can say about Trump having. talked to him about this a lot is that. that is sincere he is afraid of nuclear. war and I think his instincts are are. correct on war in general I think that's. exactly right what's in it for us like.

what's the point and um he's also the. only leader I've ever talked to in my. life at that level who routinely says. what all people get killed yeah you know. I'm not saying he's a you know super. faithful Christian or whatever I don't. know where that where that instinct. comes from but it's totally real I've. heard him say it many times all people. die and they've got widows and kids and. stuff it's a big deal to kill people no. you're right he's one of the only people. like at that level I mean I've heard. like some anti-war leftists I think that.

but I'm not I have no power yeah but. like at that level of political power. it's yeah it's like You' never hear that. like that's never even a part of the. calculation it seems um and even when. Trump was being manipulated by some very. not good people that he had around him. like when the to strike Syria it does. seem like most of the reporting was that. that's how they got them was with being. like look at these dead kids from these. chemical. yeah then just uh you know and so kind. of like played on that feeling that he.

has to be like you know you got to do. something stop so one of the reasons. nobody pushes back against the the big. picture claims that you know for example. Iran is her greatest enemy or that Putin. is going to try and overrun. Czechoslovakia or this is freaking. insane um is that anyone who talks like. that puts himself at risk and I would. just you know Scott Ritter I'm sure you. saw this week at the FBI rated his house. you know this is a former arms inspector. US government. employee um who's been opposing American.

foreign policy non-violently for 20. years and they keep throwing him in jail. for it yeah no one cares well there is. um there yeah there's there's risks that. are attached to opposing the war machine. CU that's that's kind of the whole game. um and so look I I I I also do recognize. that like I'm just you know talking [ __ ]. on on into a microphone and that Donald. Trump the the pressures and the forces. that he has to deal with here are are.

certainly things that I don't completely. understand but from what I do understand. of this is that I know it's the correct. position and it would be enormously. popular with his base and then there's. other things too that he should be laser. focused on Ian obviously immigration I. mean this is it's unbelievable. unbelievable that what he decided was. his signature issue that he ran his. campaign centered. around has been basically has won the.

day and that that he was he was labeled. a Nazi for this and now you got the the. Mayors in blue Sanctuary cities all. talking about how the influx of migrants. is destroying their cities and stuff so. he's got a forever he's obviously got. pocket aces right there that you play. this card um and and the other thing. is the uh censorship which really should. be more of a focus of his campaign and.

I'm I'm stunned that it's not like he I. mean he's back on Twitter today by the. way I I mentioned that to you when first. came I just saw that on my way over here. in the taxi he's back on Twitter so yeah. has to be back on Twitter to to win this. thing um but like he got kicked off of. Twitter and and not just him he. shouldn't make it just about him um he. should that should almost be like an. afterthought you know for his campaign. but like all of his supporters you know. like it's in his self-interest to defend. these guys with everybody through 2020 I.

mean if you were like critical of the. lockdowns you there everybody was. getting silenced left and right and that. is he should make this campaign like the. a referendum on free speech and that the. only way free speech is going to happen. is when I'm in there and he should. threaten the [ __ ] out of all of these. companies he should you know uh Facebook. backed off like Nikita kushev level We. will bury you yes that's right and and. not and cuz kushev didn't even mean it.

like with Force he meant he meant like. their economic model was going to be. better no I want Force I mean with Force. we should listen it is that is the only. thing these companies are going to. respond to but if they think that Donald. Trump like if Donald Trump could in a. believable way like he'd say Hey. Google I'm I'm going to win this. election which look as of right now. there's at least a very good chance he's. going to win this election and he goes. my sole mission in life every morning.

when I wake up till I go to sleep that. night is going to be to take you guys. down unless you stop censoring right now. like and I'm not I don't mean when I get. in I mean from now until the election if. you because you know you see all this. stuff like Elon Musk was posting about. it's crazy we like if you search for the. the shooter it doesn't come up go right. to a blink yeah yeah right yeah like the. latest on Forge theater well I saw there. was a Reagan an article on Reagan. getting shot and then like you know if. you search trump it goes to these Camala.

ads and stuff I mean he should be he. should be scaring them which by the way. they all respond to that they're scared. of government well it's why the. censorship regime started to begin with. of exact because Democrats in Congress. pushed them into it well they hauled. them in front of Congress and threatened. all of them and then they okay yeah sure. it's so weak so turns out foui has Co so. someone just texted me and I don't know. if this is actually true but that he had. six.

shots I mean which would make sense I. think that's that's the recommended. amount yeah how do you get if you've. been vaccinated six times against. something how do you get it you should. have taken eight I guess it's you really. just always need more uh always need. more vaccines no but I mean it's just. kind of to your point leaving aside the. I think the vaccine's.

I never got vaxed not to brag I hate to. like rub that in people's faces because. I'm obviously very proud of it one of my. greatest achievements but I got covid. once I've I've been super healthy ever. since then I never wash my hands never. wear a mask I'm like the dirtiest person. you've ever met I'm happy to breathe the. breath of strangers on crowded. commercial flights like and I never got. Co again here's fou she said it three. times Biden keeps getting it like what. is that why does nobody say anything. about this yeah well same same with me. never got the VX I had Co twice and you.

know was mildly sick and it was I would. have rather not had it you know but like. whatever it's fine and then I know so. many people who who got it and some of. whom had the same experience as me got. Co a few times and just were mildly sick. a lot of them got it several more times. than I did um and.

then and what we can say with 100%. certainty is that the thing was sold on. lies and not just like oh they got it. wrong like they they were totally there. was never any evidence to suggest that. you could not get Co or transmit Co you. know even in the original uh what was it. the fizer study where I think like uh it.

was if I'm remembering this correctly. it's been a while since I read it but I. think it was like in the uh unvaccinated. group two people died of covid and in. the vaccinated group one person died of. covid and then they extrapolated from. that that it's 100% you know reduction. but there was still a person who died of. it in there this idea that you can't. like it this was never true they lied. through their teeth and Joe Biden. at the beginning of his administration. made his number one priority to by any. means necessary get every single.

American to take this vaccine and. luckily it with our like the the. skeleton of constitutional limited. Republic you know like procedures that. we still have the Supreme Court struck. down the worst of of his mandates like. the OSHA mandate which would have had. every midsize and large business in. America have to fire any who was. unvaccinated all the people got fired. they've been made whole oh no I'm sure. they haven't um and that's yeah man I.

mean like I know we live in so much. stuff happened so quickly that I know. going like four years ago or three years. ago seems like ancient history but if. nothing else I mean on that alone the. Democrats deserve to lose all power that. they have that they went all in on that. and a lot of Republicans too so Rogan. who I just want to say for the record I. I really love and I rever as a as a. Pioneer in media really more than I mean. Roger Al's level kind of changed. everything I just always want to say.

that cuz I really believe it um but he. seemed. to uh endorse Bobby Kennedy then he. comes out and says no I was just I just. like Bobby Kennedy I like Bobby Kennedy. too for the record um he a nice man but. I was not endorsing him Rogan said and I. don't really like talking about politics. that much I'm summarizing uh but if you. want to know like what I think just. listen to to Dave uh that was kind of. funny and cool that he said that but. give us your assessment of Bobby Kennedy.

like where what role does he play in. this race if any well by the way so when. uh Rogan tweeted that and I mean like. it's just you know like I couldn't even. look on my phone for like hours after. that because it's just like and he he. texted me it was one of the funniest. texts I've ever gotten uh Rogan texted. me and he goes oh I didn't even realize. that I stirred up a whole Riot on. Twitter but I sent all the looters to. your house oh that's pretty good which. was I was like yeah that is really but I. was like I'll take him I love this you. know I like the Los but also the moment.

really is it's it's because um Joe is. such a like he you know I know him. pretty well we're like pretty good. friends at this point and um he is. exactly what you see like that's him. everybody who if you watch the show you. already know who he is so it's like he. wasn't he doesn't even think like I'm. going to be making an endorsement today. on my show about which cand I want to. throw my people's support behind he. literally just someone asked him a. question and he was just having a moment. like he was just like I do like this.

Bobby Kennedy guy you know he seems kind. of like he's read books about stuff and. he wants to discuss ideas and not just. like personal attacks and I really like. that age with that and um yeah I mean I. kind of I I tend to agree with that too. I also just by the way I mean um I I was. just so furious at Trump supporters who. were like uh giving Rogan [ __ ] for that. and then I just thought it was maybe the. stupidest thing Trump's done in the. campaign so far was that he posted on.

Truth social attacking Joe Rogan for it. and it's like man is any is anyone. around him to just be like no you don't. go to war with Joe Rogan that's teachers. union you should be like what but it's. also like even whether he's supporting. you or not that's your teachers union. you know he's again like I said before. it's not left vers right it's dissident. vers the regime and this is the guy who. cracked the corporate media he's the guy. who cracked the state's Monopoly on.

information is true so come on what are. you doing here and he said also he just. so removed it's really just the flaw in. Trump is that he said uh it'll be. interesting to see how much Joe Rogan. gets booed at the next UFC event and. you're like do you really think Joe. Rogan's going to get booed at a youu. okay all right I know that Donald Trump. I know how you're your mind works and. it's it's there's great things about it. and then there's things that hold you. back but I know that you think that.

since they love you at the UFC event. they're your people and they'll hate. anybody who's not supporting you but. actually they really love Joe Rogan and. they're not going to be booing him and. and there's it was just so stupid to. fight this fight with him anyway um you. know to the Bobby Kennedy stuff I was. when he first started running and uh I. had him on my show and I was just like I. just loved the guy and um I thought you. know his his positions on Ukraine and on.

the vaccine I thought were heroic and it. was amazing what was so amazing about. his campaign was that he was running as. a Democrat and he's Bobby Kennedy yeah. like his name is Bobby Kennedy and and. he's not like some you know peripheral. Kennedy who's like like he's Bobby. Kennedy's son he's Jack Kennedy's nephew. and here he is giving Democrats this it.

it it reminded me a lot of the Ron Paul. presidential campaigns where because Ron. Paul was such a conservative person and. because right after his name there was R. Texas you know and he could be against. the wars it was like he gave permission. exactly for you you're allowed to be. against the wars you you could oppose. the wars you don't have to give up your. whole identity you don't have to be. Michael Moore in order to be against. this you could be a real American.

Patriot and and oppose these wars and. and and in a similar fashion I felt like. Bobby Kennedy was giving Democrats. permission to abandon these which we're. look I mean if you think about it I said. just a second ago that the vaccine was. Joe Biden's first you know we're all in. on the vaccine and then his second big. thing was all in on the war in Ukraine. this is the Biden Administration so he's. this total repudiation of of Joe Biden. but being like the true Democrat what. we're really supposed to be you know and. so there was something amazing about his.

campaign um that you know I understand. why he made the move to go independent. because there's there's not a real uh. Democratic process and the Democratic. party nor is there much of a. constituency at this point for that. message yes that's probably true um I I. do think that and and you know me and. him I he came back on my podcast to his. credit and we argued uh about this um I. do think it's it's strained our. relationship a little bit but I like I.

could get past um being not being good. on Israel from from my perspective of. course um and I could I could get. past I I could probably tolerate all the. way up to uh like V ramas Swami's. position on Israel which essentially was. he was like the non-interventionist. position but doing it in a way where. it's like I am not picking a fight with. ape you know what I mean like he was.

like I think his answer at the debate. was something he said uh he goes I'll. tell Netanyahu that I'm going to kill. the terrorists on our Southern border. and you go kill the terrorists on your. Southern borders I was kind of like I'm. not funding your War but like totally. support you doing what you're doing. that's not how I feel about the. situation at all I I think it's really. horrible what Israel is doing and it's. inexcusable um but I mean I just going. around with Rabbi schmoly as your. campaign advisor and I just like to me.

once I saw that I was like I'm just I. can't I just can't it's too much for me. so and I do think again kind of like I'm. saying with Donald Trump I mean he just. pocket aces you don't want to play these. pocket aces okay I mean Democrats like. 70% of Democrats oppose this war and. want to ceasefire I think 50% of them. consider it a genocide on on the. Republican side obviously there's a lot. of America first people who who could be. persuaded that we shouldn't be involved.

in these conflicts I think Bobby Kennedy. had a real chance to make like if he was. non-interventionist on on this War I. think he would have made some huge waves. and I think that really hurt him he also. he lost a bunch of people on his. campaign staff because he was the. anti-war guy had a whole bunch of young. antiwar people who were like oh no I'm. not going to be a part of this now so. where does that leave him now. I um as a political matter it feels like. feels like there is a significant chunk.

of people I don't know how many in the. millions though support Bobby Kennedy. clearly repudiate the priorities the B. of the Biden Harris Administration don't. want to vote for. Trump I mean my sense is he's taking. potential Trump voters yeah that's that. might be the case you know I'm I'm not. sure exactly and I don't know I mean if. if Donald Trump like you know if he were. to drop out of the race and endorse.

Donald Trump um there I think there's a. very good chance he could end up in his. cabinet and get some type of position. out of it if Trump were to win for sure. um I I don't know if that's going to. happen if he stays in the race the whole. time because I think it will be seen as. like well no I mean you can't you know. diminishing returns for sure yeah yeah I. mean you just can't do that and then. expect the guy to give you a position do. you think if Bobby Kennedy endorse Trump. which is possible I would say it is. possible um do you think that would push.

Trump over the. line um would that would that. meaningfully help most endorsements. don't would that make a difference it. might I don't know you know it's hard to. tell what endorsement you know like. endorsements actually do anything it's. not um you know it's just in general in. life it's not. like you know you see like Obama and. Donald Trump who were two of the most. successful political figures in the last. the most successful political figures in.

the last you know 15 years or so and. it's not as if their endorsements seem. to carry that much weight it's not like. it's not transferable like that in the. in the same sense that like um you know. like I love your show I you were the. only guy on cable news who I always. watched and I love watching your show on. on your new network um and if you were. like hey you got to check out this guy. someone else so you got to check out. their show that would certainly get me. to check it. out but it's not as if that's a.

guarantee that I'm going to I'll check. it out and if I like it then I'll keep. watching it's just you can't just. transfer the thing that people like. about you onto other people I've never. said a bad word about Rogan I genuinely. like him as a person um I think his show. like made such a massive difference in. the media landscape in an American. history I'm not taking IA right you know. what I mean it's like nothing I love. Rogan I'm not taking it's like it it. just doesn't work that way and so I do. wonder I really don't know the answer. but like is it Bobby Kennedy you know if. he were to drop out and endorse Trump at.

this point don't people kind of already. know they had the option to support. Donald Trump and if they're still not. supporting Donald Trump there's probably. a meaningful reason why um and one of. the things that you know kind of uh is I. think probably the reason why none of. them will agree to have Bobby in any of. these debates uh is because if they were. to then. the topic of Trump's handling of Co. would have to come up and Donald Trump. is kind of Lucky in in a situation like.

it's there's always this dynamic in some. issues between Democrats and Republicans. so like for example um when uh Barack. Obama was President all of the. Republicans at that point their. criticism of him was that he was too. soft on foreign policy uh he won't even. say radical Islamic Jihad and you know. dumb Marco Rubio you know know points. like this and so then he totally gets. off the hook for his very aggressive. foreign policy and the war in Libya and.

Syria and Yen and all these wars that he. started by the way all on the side of. al-Qaeda and no one ever gave him any. push back from that like no one ever he. never got held accountable or had to. answer for any of that because the. Republican talking point was he's weak. on defense and we're tough on defense. and likewise with Co because. the democrat's whole narrative the whole. time was that he's not reacting enough. no one ever really gives Trump a hard.

time I guess Dan santis tried to a. little bit when he ran against him but. it just fell flat it's I mean if you. just pulled it not to disrupt the flow. here but if you pull the threat a little. bit on why were we aligned with Al-Qaeda. oh yeah yeah because they're not Shiites. that's why because they're not backed by. Iran and I've got to say I'm hardly an. expert on Islam to put it mildly I'm a. Protestant Christian however spending a. lot of time around the world you know. the Shiites are pretty sophisticated. actually and I do think that our.

portrait of what your average Shiite is. like is totally wrong completely wrong. there are a lot of very Cosmopolitan. Persians like very Cosmopolitan very Pro. Western very smart very interesting not. Savages at all I mean I'm not you know. endorsing the foreign policy of Iran at. all or their system or anything and I'm. not endorsing Islam either Branch but. the idea that the Shiites are like. animals that's that's [ __ ] well also. that's just ignorance I mean look. there's lots of problems even in the. Shiite world I mean there's you know but.

there's um but they're also not our. enemies well EXA of course like they. haven't they haven't attacked us and. they haven't attacked Europe I mean. there even the houthis i' I was taught. as a child to hate the houthis well. where it's also freaking in of course I. never heard of the houthis tell about 20. minutes ago and they became our historic. enemy it's um you know I think. essentially what happened right cuz if. you think it's like really Al-Qaeda and. Isis are the two terrorist groups that.

have actually hit the United States of. America and Europe and you know what I. mean like committed acts of Terror. against both were armed and funded by. the West um at different points um and. that's pretty appalling when you think. about it but really I mean what happened. is and I don't know exactly how much of. this was the propaganda or how much of. it was genuinely believed by by people. who were pushing it um but the certainly.

the stated propaganda which was stated. when Benjamin Netanyahu testified in. 2002 in front of Congress as a regional. expert and explained how if you. overthrow Saddam Hussein democracy will. sweep the region this will put pressure. on Iran and then they will have less. influence on the region they and a lot. of these Neo conservatives seemed to. actually believe this now I don't know. if they did it seems to me like some of. them actually did it's the dumbest thing. in the freaking world to think you would.

have believe there you had um in Iraq. where you have a Shiite majority that is. held down by a Sunni minority that if. you overthrow that government and. install the Democracy which means the. Shiites right like because they're 60%. of the country so they win that this. will hurt Iran was insane and anyway so. what ended up happening after the Iraq. war after we toppled Saddam Hussein was. that Iran got drastically more influence.

in the region now it's possible that. people like Dick Cheney and Benjamin. Netanyahu and them kind of knew that was. going to happen and then they were like. well then we'll just topple around next. so it'll all be fine I don't know. exactly but there's no question and. there was a piece I believe it was in. the New. Yorker uh called the redirect in either. 2006 or 2007 where basically what was. decided was that now. that we Iraq backfired so much and and.

Iran has so much more power in the. region that now we got to go take the. Shiites down a Peg and this is really. what was behind like uh the attempt to. overthrow Bashar al- Assad and by the. way this not overthrowing our democracy. and not putting bounties on US soldiers. head in Afghanistan or whatever the. other lies that they made up about. Vladimir Putin the real crime that. Vladimir Putin committed was he denied.

the US regime change in Syria and you. could look at the way Vladimir Putin was. talked about before Syria vers after. Syria it is so Stark George W bush said. he looked into Vladimir Putin's eyes and. he was a good Christian and Hillary. Clinton had her reset button it wasn't. until he denied the American war machine. AE change that he became Adolf Hitler. he's hellbent on reconstituting the. Soviet Union and all this other crap.

that's really what it all it all started. he saved Assad apparently he was close. to AES Al. Assad Assad's father and um Assad called. him and said I need your help and he. dispatched troops immediately which by. the way you know whatever you think the. geop political balance or whoever side. you're on that is kind of the the key. to longlasting alliances is Defending. Your allies with troops when they ask. you to right and the you know the B.

Administration has not done that to like. legit allies um whatever well also BEC. and and he was motivated to do it I. think because he didn't want to see Isis. take over Damascus which was a real. threat at that point and they were. driving around in Toyota trucks. murdering all the Christians yeah yeah. and in the most barbaric brutal way. crucifying the Christians. gab is. anti Christians of Syria I we're fast.

approaching a period where the people. who've lied to us on all these different. subjects should just be quiet like be. quiet like why I know is there so many. to demand that like I'm sorry David from. or whomever like your opinion is just. not even Rel Morning Joe like nobody. like why are we allowing yeah like. you've got everything wrong you know. truly but I think it was I think I heard. you use the uh the analogy metaphor uh. but you're the um it's like the old like. once they see your face they have to.

kill you or once you see their. face right like that's drops his mask. and there is this feeling and I do think. this is also part of what freaks them. all out about Donald Trump is that okay. so first of all like we were saying. before he's leading a movement of really. every tough man in America pretty much. loves Donald Trump maybe not every but. you know the. the overwhelming majority of tough men. in America love Donald Tim Walls ones. yes that's right including um and the. well-armed ones including many people in.

law enforcement and the military yes you. know and so he's got that then he's. running a campaign that is very. specifically pointing a finger at DC and. saying these guys screwed you over and. he's also like a wild man like he can't. control what he says. it's the most charming and frustrating. part of Donald Trump you know what I. mean like even if he wanted to he. couldn't control himself you know what I. mean like he's going to say it it's G to.

come out of his mouth and then he's. saying things on the campaign Trail in. 2016 like and you know he says it in his. kind of sloppy trumpian way but but You'. be like Obama created Isis you know. Obama did that which is like not exactly. true but like there's a lot of truth to. it you know like it's it's like well no. he didn't but did knowingly fund and arm. them and that. is treason literal treason like that is.

exactly what treason is he wasn't doing. it on behalf of the United States well. right and well exactly and so now if you. imagine okay now this wasn't just o. Obama who did this I mean this was uh. this was Brennan um in operation Timber. Sycamore right like this was the plan. John Ker's even on tape talking about. how they knew they saw Isis was getting. the the weapons and stuff but they were. like hey like you know we'll just keep. promoting this myth of the moderate. Rebels which is so ridiculous and then. that'll put pressure on Assad to step.

down so this is how we're going to get. our regime change war and then Isis went. and invaded Iraq they weren't supposed. to do that and then Obama had to go back. into Iraq to kick him out but the the. point is that this is actual treason you. know like arming giving material Aid and. comfort to the enemy like al-Qaeda in. Iraq and in Syria is getting weapons. from America that is treason and now you. got this guy who's essentially calling. you out for treason who might be the.

president of the United States of. America like the punishment for treason. is the death penalty and I I do think. like I think Donald Trump himself didn't. even realize I agree what enemies you're. making when you say and how much power. they have like you you know like who's. the last president who like fired the. head of the CIA and made a big thing. about how he was going to smash it into. a million pieces what happened to him. yeah he took a limo ride through Dallas. right true so it's like Donald Trump I.

think was totally naive about like you. know he he knew there was a swamp that. needed draining but I don't think he. knew what was in that swamp he wasn't. watching Schumer on Rachel mat show. right right and I do think you know um. being in the world of business gave him. a lot of correct instincts and but it's. like no man there's just nothing like. this government isn't the business world. government is the criminal organization. World which you know maybe he probably.

had a little bit of experience in being. a real estate devel or whatever no but. you know running casinos and stuff like. that I'm sure he's kind of been around. but not like this man that's nothing. compared you're talking about the CIA. that is a whole different piece these. are not Paving contracts right control. of the world yeah and so there was just. all of this you know uh got this. tremendous reaction and he's still. dealing with that I'm a little bit. confused that for two years we were told. that the Vanguard of the fight for.

democracy was unfolding in eastern. Ukraine was really it mattered much more. than anything in our stupid meaningless. lives here in the United States and. that's why all good people wore the blue. and yellow lapel pin and put the little. Flags in front of their houses in Napa. and all that and then one day we just. stopped hearing anything about Ukraine. what was that well I mean the um. it was all built off lies and it's been. a disaster like all of these wars and. it's not gone at all the way it was.

supposed to I mean remember there was a. period where uh Joe Biden at the very. beginning of the war was just with. sanctions we're going to defeat Russia. we're going to destroy the Rupal and you. know make everyone in Russia poor and. that'll be so great and we wouldn't even. have to send in weapons then of course. we had to and of course just all the. lies Ukraine is winning ghost of Kiev. all you know these crazy just obvious. lies um and so ultimately you're at a. point where yeah you don't really want. to talk about that cuz there's nothing. you can point to and and brag about but.

isn't it crazy you know I did a um a. debate on uh on this topic on um on. breaking points um and uh um that's. which a great show and you you've been. on uh with Crystal and and seagar yeah I. know Saga well yeah oh that's right he. used to work for you right yeah yeah. he's great I love that guy um but so I. was on uh I I did a debate on that show. and I was kind of like talking about how. it was crazy for all these people who. have like the Ukrainian flags and we.

care so much about Ukraine and all of. this stuff it's like do you recognize. that we we hold all the chips like the. United States of America holds all of. the chips we could get this war to stop. in almost any way we wanted to if we. want to just play our ultimate trump. card which is that we'll leave NATO. I mean there's no reason for us to be in. NATO anyway it totally it totally makes. no sense it's you know I know you've. talked about a bunch like it's like this. was started after World War II because.

Europe had been totally destroyed. America was like the only Advanced you. know country that was like left standing. and hadn't had their Homeland you know. wrecked by the thing and then there's. this Soviet Union and so these guys. can't defend themselves we have to kind. of work on this deal that we we're not. going to let you invade Western Europe. or we come to their defense and now it's. like Europe is Rich America's $35. trillion in debt and oh yeah the Soviet. Union doesn't exist what's the point of.

this thing being here and Vladimir Putin. would. do almost anything to get that to happen. to get America to leave NATO it would be. nothing but good for us we just wouldn't. be subsidizing other rich countries. defense he could take it as a huge. Victory you know what I mean you could. get almost anything you want and if you. guys care about ukrainians and ukra Ians. dying so much why not why not just make. this deal we could do it right now I. mean we're not getting Crimea back to. Ukraine that's not going to happen but.

who cares you know what I mean you could. get almost any you could get the end to. the war immediately if you were to do. this you know how many. jobs now occupied by people with no. skills whatsoever totally pointless. people pure parasites on our economy and. culture would be lost yeah if we get rid. of NATO yeah well that's the problem. really that's 100% the problem that's. the issue it's why I get rid of the. energy Department yeah the education. department I mean they've served no. purpose other than self- perpetuation. they've and they've made all of those. areas much worse than they were right.

it's like unbelievable I mean like the. state of education in America what did. it get a lot better since was it Jimmy. Carter I think created the Department of. Education it's like what and of course. like right I mean this it's you know. because this model doesn't work it. should should have been the one lesson. of the 20th century that model doesn't. work centralized control does not work. this is why all of those countries. failed and continue to fail everywhere. it's tried and now we're doing it and. we're failing because it benefits the.

few so let me Circle back to the. beginning of the conversation here at. the end you haven't been here in two and. a half months maybe MH a lot has changed. all of your kind of core suspicions have. been. confirmed I think by the assassination. attempt and the subsequent coup where. does that leave you you like do we just. spent a couple hours talking about how. bad things are and about all the signs. that they ominous signs that they're. about to get much worse does that make.

you feel afraid hopeful excited a. combination yeah probably a combination. I I would say you know which by the way. we didn't even really get into the coup. but it is pretty crazy how much of a. blatant coup we just watched and then. I've seen people like uh um like. Democrats on on social media and stuff. and they'll uh they'll call like people. like us out and they'll be like well. first you said the guy was too scile to. run and now you're saying it was a coup. when they removed him you're like yeah. both are true I don't know what to tell.

you the guy is clearly scile and also he. is still the president of the United. States of America and there's a process. here they will l i mean they'll say and. it's just the one thing I can't get over. is not that people disagree with me I. assume people always going to disagree. with me I'm often wrong so it's like. it's okay to disagree with me what I can. never metabolize except deal with is. people willingness to just say anything. just like move because it's expedient. the capacity for lying among certain. people just blows my mind you tell Joe.

Scarboro you got to say this because. there's some material advant is to he. will say it no matter what it is and all. that way it's like how would you. describe threatening a man until he. agrees not to run for president again. and then installing somebody without a. vote like that's a coup and by the way. it's totally unclear and I would say we. don't know for sure but I would say like. the high likelihood is that he didn't.

ever agree to it until after the letter. was out I mean look it is so you cannot. overstate how bizarre it is that a few. weeks before the Democratic Convention. when Joe Biden had already gone through. a couple weeks of all these calls for. him to step down at every single turn. and said no I've made up my mind I am. not stepping down it's me verse Trump so. get used to it I beat him last time and.

I'll beat him again this time that. morning the morning that the letter. comes out it was Sunday his surrogates. are going on the Sunday talk shows and. saying enough with this an hour before. the enough of this he's made up his mind. he is running even after Pelosi and. Schumer meet with him even after the 90. million or whatever is held back from. his he's like no I'm and then you're. telling me the sitting president of the. United States of America a few weeks.

before the convention is announcing that. he won't be seeking reelection and this. is not done in an address to the nation. this is done on personal. stationary and just tweeted out and then. in a separate tweet he endorses Cala. Harris and it's not for days later that. we hear from the president like that is. crazy I mean I know so many crazy things. are going on that it's it's almost easy. to not appreciate how crazy that one is. but it and you could say oh he had Co or.

whatever they just get on I don't know. put on one of those masks that you guys. pretended worked for so many years and. like go but he can even be an edited. video it doesn't have to be live I mean. just like I know he stumbles a lot or. whatever it could be two minutes but how. do you not address the American people. about that and it just it really seems. like and of course sa H had that. reporting on the call with Obama where. they threat they had Camala Harris on. board we're going to invoke the 25th. Amendment but my suspicion is that that. phone call happened you know like the.

the Schumer and Pelosi strong arming. didn't work Obama comes in we're going. to remove you from office and this will. be your legacy and then the letter is. tweeted out already and it's presented. as a Fed comp to him it's all over and. then eventually he goes I have but what. does it say I mean if the sitting. president of the United States. purportedly the most powerful man in the. world doesn't have enough power to run. again for the job he currently holds he. cannot he's not allowed.

to it's not none of it's real the. presidency is not real the president. doesn't hold the power that mean they. just showed us that yep so it's then how. do you I mean people are not thinking. this through how our system is voluntary. all systems are how do they expect us to. accept the election results abide by. those results pay our taxes How do they. expect us to obey when the system has. been revealed as illegitimate yeah well. it's the only way would be some type of. escalation of force you know I mean. that's the only way to do it I I will.

say though that you. know much like when the Soviet Union. collapsed and was largely peaceful you. know and was kind of like a really. amazing thing peace and and now what. happened in the Years following it was. not good and that didn't need to happen. and you know no but they pulled their. nuclear weapons out of all their. satellite States they dissolved the saw. packed I mean that happened by the way. 33 years ago this week oh yeah yeah I. was on my honeymoon and uh and you know. there there were people at the top who.

wanted to not let it happen like no. escalate the force and don't let this. happen put down these revolts like they. had done previously and ultimately they. just kind of lost and like enough people. were just like no just let him go you. know so that's you kind of hope that. something like that can happen in the. United States of America and that. doesn't mean like a a national divorce. type thing which is something that has. become kind of a popular thing that some. people advocate for um but it does mean.

some type of like decentralization of. power and Washington just having much. less power than it currently does have. um I think that it is that I said this. to you last time it's the great case for. optimism is that all of this government. tyranny relies on propaganda and the. propaganda is being broken at an. unbelievable rate uh things that would. have seemed.

unimaginable very recently in my adult. lifetime like not you know Generations. ago but just years ago um and we're. seeing that now and people are waking up. in a very profound way I I mean it. really is it is all fake and more and. more people are aware of that uh like. you if you zoom out and go like from my. mother's you know when my mother was my. age to me being this age it is.

unbelievable how much more people. understand that this is all fake right. propaganda is the key I mean Joseph. Geral is not to make everything a Nazi. reference but it was 5'4 crippled never. fired a gun in his life except into his. own head in the end never commanded an. army yeah you know he was the political. chief of Berlin but he was the. propaganda Chief and therefore he was. the pivotal person in the Nazi. government he was because he was in. charge of people's brains and so that. you cannot and I'm not comparing anyone.

of the Nazis I hate Nazi references in. general but that's just true right. propaganda is kind of everything. actually yeah and that it's it's the. most powerful thing to control it's more. powerful than controlling the laws or. the money or the military absolutely you. control what people think you know and. you control narratives and it's amazing. I mean look it's still very effective. it's not nearly as effective as it once. was um but it is still and you see it. like when people get taken over by the.

propaganda it's such a bizarre thing I. mean you're like it's like talking to. someone and there's no soul there when. they just repeat back the propaganda to. you or something January 6 was an. Insurrection you're like I'm not having. a conversation with you I'm having a. conversation with like what Don Lemon. convinced you you're supposed to believe. you know people who fallen for that. yeah I mean I don't no one in like my. close Circle or anything like that what. do you think I know I'm so far field. again but I'm just I'm I'm I don't know.

the answer to this what distinguishes. someone who falls through the crudest. kind of propaganda January 6 was an. Insurrection Don Lemon smart whatever. the LIE is from. you some of these people are smart I. mean it's not just an IQ difference oh. no no no it's not an IQ difference. people far smarter than me who fall for. it you know yeah yeah no question about. that so what is it I don't completely. know I think there's something about um. there. there's it's like human beings are we. we're pack animals you know and that's.

like very at the core of us you you stay. within the pack because like out here is. death yes you know when like so like. stay in here right and there's something. there's a personality type that certain. people have it's not again it is not. about being left or right it's not at. all but there's something where people. have you know like there's there's. people who like I disagree with on a lot. of issues but like Alex baronson is very. willing to go outside I totally he's.

like okay oh you want to like have all. these arrows come at me okay fine you. know Glenn Greenwald is very willing to. do that I think you're very willing to. do that Baron's such a great example. because I I really like Baron I text. them all the time um but I just. absolutely disagree with him on a lot of. lot of issues but I will never stop. during he was so great I mean his. substack was like a cathartic to read. during. and it was he is smart Baron smart a. good reporter um I think he's a really. nice guy but but really his. indispensable quality was bravery yeah. that's right that's what made difference.

that's it cuz look I mean like he was in. yeah you were in and you're in the New. York Times you're in all this and you're. going to risk all of that just to be. right about something you know I mean. like it it doesn't even make sense when. I say it out loud you're like why would. you do that it's a terrible calculation. totally true but there are some people. who just do kind of so that's you know. but when you um so many of the people. who and this is something I don't say. this like attacking right-wing America I. just it's something like to be humble. about but like in.

2002 in the runup to the war in Iraq so. many of these people who are like great. now about seeing through all of this. just knew it as a certainty that like. obviously Saddam Hussein has nuclear. weapons and he clearly was involved in. 911 and like he's going to hand these. nukes that he doesn't have off to the. terrorist he's not friends with and. they're going to Nuke can if unless you. go support overthrowing him and they. just knew that as a matter of and. essentially what are you some type of. wimp if you don't agree with them on. that and they didn't even kind of.

realize that they were they were doing. the exact same thing as some 20-year-old. who tells you about climate change. you're just repeating lies that someone. else put into your head like they you. are a puppet right now you know what I. mean and you don't even realize it and. so but it was like I don't know that was. the culture they were in that was the. world they were in saw these towers get. hit and what are you a a [ __ ] no you're. going to go do something about that and. so it's people play uh like people's.

sense of identity is very important to. them I remember okay one time I was uh. my I have a younger brother uh who's. much younger than me he's 13 years. younger than me from my mother's second. marriage and uh he's he's great. unbelievable uh kid I love him to death. and so any he was I think he was 3 years. old so I would I would 16. and I was watching a Nick's game I'll. never forget this three-year-old uh kid. and he comes over to me and he was like. asking about it and I was like here come.

watch the game with me and uh so we're. sitting on the couch he's three we're. watching a Nicks game and he he looked. at me and he went uh which one is. me and I was like what do you mean which. one is you it was I was like oh we're. rooting for the team in the blue shirts. and then he kind of accepted that like. okay that's but I just remember always. thinking there's like this it's like so. profound that that's what's in us it's. like okay you want me to like get into. this like kind of projected abstraction.

so who am I what defines me like that's. so important to people it's like right. at the core of everything is like who am. I like as a as a person like what's my. identity and I think that for like look. you saw this with um with like broadly. speaking like liberal America well. during Co it's like their identity their. whole identity is that they're the. scientific people you know you you guys. are the backwards Rubes who believe in.

Superstition and religion but we believe. in science and reason and love this is. what makes us better that's their. identity so once you tell them that it's. like well the science says this it was. so easy to get them in it's why it's so. easy to get them in on climate change. and then with like more conservative. America their whole identity is that. like they're the tough ones who defend. the country who AR who aren't wusses who. will Who will defend the constition and. so as soon as you fed him a narrative. that that you know gave them that. identity it was so easy to fool them.

with all this other stuff so I do think. that's a big part of like they're very. good that's what the propagandist do do. at their best is they play off your you. know sense of self your identity it's. moral Judo yeah they use your body. weight against you they take your. momentum and pull you exactly way past. where you thought you would be but more. and more people are waking up to that. stuff now and so that's good well you've. had a big effect on a lot of people. including me and I appreciate Dave Smith. you're coming uh I mean Tucker I could.

do this all day long with you so good. well I hope you come back before we're. both arrested that would we could say. once again man it's only been two and a. half months but everything's different. yeah I hope I mean even if if we could. just share a cell once we get arrested. that would be real you just continue. this uh on and on I will I will never. submit thanks man thank you. [Music]. so it turns out that YouTube is. suppressing our show I know shocking.

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