Casey Putsch on Why the EPA Wants to Destroy His Custom Made Car

Okay, so here's my theory. The death of the US auto industry. was a bigger deal than, I think we realized, maybe a. harbinger, hopefully not, but. perhaps a harpinger of what. happens to the country going. forward. So Detroit dies, and people are like, oh, Detroit's. such a mess, my wife is from there, so I've been there a lot. And, but you never thought that. would happen to the rest of the. country. Oh no, we're going similar ways. We are. That's exactly right. I live in the greater Toledo area, and that's baby Detroit. Exactly. Home of Champion.

Sparkplugs. I guess the question is, if we. want to prevent this from. spreading with the cancer that it. clearly is, I think it's important.

to know the cause of it. So why did the auto industry, which was the most important. non-defense industry we had, Why did it? I would say largely regulation and. the nature of trying to find more. profit and where you ship things. It was a lack of pride in. having a workforce in the future. tomorrow. And those are the two. things I would stick with because. since, in my opinion, I've. been a car guy for a long time. You didn't mention the unions. Everyone blames the unions for the. destruction of Detroit.

I think that's a secondary symptom. I mean, that's, that a big thing, but I think culturally it. has to do more with where we're. going and what happened. I mean the automotive industry right. now, if you look at new cars, I. don't own a new car. The newest vehicle I own is early. 2000s. Really? The newest. Yeah, and honestly, I've been. thinking like that's- And you're a. professional car guy and you have. no- Yeah, no, I work on all. my own stuff from exotics to. building race cars, helping students. building airplanes to vintage stuff. Like I know automotive history. And honestly, kind of the sweet spot.

for cars to daily drive are the. 1980s and 1990s. What? We've just gotten worse since. then. In what ways? Consumer culture. You know, they try to find new ways. to make money, give something. to buy a new model year, but cars. haven't really gotten any better. since the 1990s, they're coming in more like a cell. phone. And then you get more. and more and regulation, which just. stymies the automotive industry into. building just the one thing. That's why all the cars look the. same.

That's why there's no real. innovation. That's anything. interesting ends up being wildly. expensive. And then the two things that are. always used as, shall we say the. scapegoat, is either the. environment, the EPA, or safety. But it's not always about that. And if you're really worried about. safety- Wait, wait, those are. scapegotes? Well, not scapegots, but reasons to. force things into be a certain way. Because if you speak up and question. anything, they'll always say, environment, safety. It seems like that's always the way. but we're always just quagmired in.

this regulation and direction. Well, you're blowing my mind. So I get, I mean, getting older is. a process of realizing how many. of the lies you've internalized and. believed. And I guess if you had asked me when. I woke up this morning what. destroyed Detroit, I would say, I mean I'm not actually even that. against unions, to be honest with. you. But I would Say, well everyone says. the unions and EPA. and safety. Ralph Nader and the EPA and. the UAW. True. But no. True. It's deeper, you're saying. Well, it is.

And, okay, you know, I'm an. individual. I build stuff. I think about the nation, individuals, community, my family, my friends, like, we want. a car that gets us there, that we. can fix, that, we can afford, right? But it's not what we're making. Another thing which I want to. mention, two points. The other thing that's happening. nowadays is we. don't really innovate or make. anything new anymore that people can. afford really. And I'm finding. another, it seems like. a symptom across culture of just. everything now is about money from. one pocket to another.

It's not about really creating. something new or building tomorrow. And I started to see that in the. automotive industry with the nature. of hybrids to electric. They have a purpose, but. they're not a solution for. everything. But the political. push and powers are trying to make. it a solution. for everything and I. look at this and go no no no this. isn't about This isn't about. what's best for everybody or even. the environment or anything. This is money from one pocket to. another and a power play. What does that mean? money from one pocket.

So it's a deeper discussion that led. to when I. built what I called the Omega car, which I built that high efficiency. diesel car that I thought would be. more recyclable, lower environment. impact, affordable, and a good car in a direction to go. And if I may, can I just back up a. second on what I saw? So my teens and twenties, I'm. just a normal car guy. I liked fast cars and going on. dates with pretty girls that's.

pretty much all i cared about so. fast cars and fast women's idea well. they say in kentucky was that they. say uh... beautiful horses and fast. woman now i meant beautiful women. fast horses something like that but. um... no that that was kinda like it about. my grandfather was talk about. politics and things going on in the. world and i didn't really care so. much look into it things stuck with. me yes and um... i remember in. was a two thousand obeyed two. thousand eight when obama's running. Um, people are all excited. I'm like, okay. And I remember watching all. the presidential stuff.

That was kind of the first time I. really started paying attention to. politics when I was a younger guy. And we're watching the Democratic. National Convention and Obama's. talking. And I'm remember thinking, this guy's full of crap. That's just my gut feeling. I didn't know where he came from. I didn' really know that much of. politics, but I'm just like, this. guys full of crack. You didn't think. he was black Jesus? No, no. I mean- You sound like a racist. I don't care. I don't care. That's the spirit. So I just thought he's full of crap. And so I'm listening, get to the.

point, and he goes, and I'll help. Detroit retool. So the energy efficient cars of. tomorrow will build here for the. sake of the nation and world. I'm like, bullshit. You're not going to, this isn't, you're not doing a Kennedy speech. like we're going to the moon for the. decade is out. You're no going to do. it. I just, I just it just, it ticked me off and I've remembered. it to this day. And of course we have the. Why did you know he was not going to. do it? Because Detroit's not going to. change. He's not gonna change that. Like a politician changes their own. oil, let alone know how a car works. or the industry or what to do with.

it. Fair. Respectfully. Fair, fair. No, with no respect, I would say. No, and I can think. of some military. leaders and such saying things. that I'll be a little kinder about. We don't want to take advice. from pantsuits in Washington. It's like, what do they know about. it? Respectfully, but things like. that go across the board. So I'm thinking he's not doing. anything. Well, the other thing that. interesting happened was the. financial crisis, 2008, 2009, right? Now, I didn't fully understand what. was going on. Again, I cared more.

about going on dates and fast cars. than politics and things going on at. the time. But the family business we. had was a small town public golf. course in the Midwest. 18 holes, worked our butt off. My father worked seven days a week, six o'clock in the morning, 10 o'. clock at night every day throughout. the entire of the season. So we worked. I know, like being in a small town, everybody makes fun of you. Oh, you're rich, you just sit on the. golf course all day. I'm like, no, we're changing oil and like diesel. tractors and back lapping mowers and. mowing and putting on banquets and. doing family business, right? What does it mean to back lap a. mower? Oh, sorry. That was, um, so.

if you mow a fairway or a green, it's not a rotary blade that cuts. by kind of like whacking the, uh, it actually, it a reel, which comes through and slices on a. blade. Yes. Well, they get, they, get dull. And so you have to sharpen them and. it's dirty and You. beat up your knuckles and that's. kind of the work you actually do in. the winter with the golf course. By hand, like with a file or? Oh, no, you have to run them. backwards. with a dirty compound with like. grit on it and you have adjust it. Oh, you laugh it like you laugh a.

golf. Yeah, you laughing, exactly, exactly. Thank you. Sorry to interrupt. No, it's all right. I just kind of. bring that up because that was my. world at the time. We worked hard. and we saw that. But at that time, I started to see. how it was affecting people. in Little Tiffin, Ohio. on a daily basis. Loans housing loans, business. loans. And I also saw how that affected. eventually when the family was. thinking of selling the business. You couldn't get lending for. something like that. And I started to see how that that. hurt everything, but where I was. going with it in relation to the.

overarching things with the. automotive industry. So now we're bailing out the. automotive industry, tax dollars, huge amounts of money. paying attention. And I'd lived in Columbus, Ohio at. the time, head of my little shop. working on vintage race cars and. things like that, and ride my. motorcycle around. And after we were bailing out the. automotive industries, I kind of. remember back and I'm like, so. wonder, is Obama gonna try to make. everything efficient now? Are they gonna do anything?

And I see us, we just kind of. doubled down on making bigger trucks. and muscle cars and thanks, which I. have to tell you, I love. big trucks and also cars and fast. cars. Okay, like. If you can afford the fuel and do. what you want, don't get in my way, you can pry my sports cars out of my. cold dead hands, okay? Don't. But you know, doesn't mean. I don't necessarily want something. that could be better for as a daily. driver or I can't think of something. that might be more efficient. So I was noticing that. And I'm thinking, this is wrong. Something's wrong here. And just in what I was doing.

and researching various materials. and thinking of building cars and. it's kind of what I do, you know? I... I started to realize there's a. myriad of ways that we can mass. produce cars, automobiles that will. be less toxic, less environmental. impact, cheaper, more efficient than. what we're doing. Because in a sense, all of our cars. are stamped metal boxes with chairs. bolted in them. Yeah. We've been doing this since. the mid 1930s. not much has changed. And it's been a long time.

And I'll say this also, which I. think you might enjoy as a history. guy. So SR-71 Blackbird, right? CIA spy plane, Mach 3. They came up with that in the late. 1950s. We had to go to the trouble of. getting all the titanium, I think, from Russia at the time, which. required a zillion shell companies. and orchestration just to get the. material to build it. And we build an aircraft effectively. in the late 1950s, 1960, that'll do Mach 3 and can. map hundreds of thousands of.

miles of the Earth's surface and. before GPS existed, be able to plot the stars. through broad daylight and through. clouds in the later 50s. And we're still making cars like the. 1930s now. I think that's BS. So as to be fair, you've also. seen the death of innovation in. aviation as well. That's true too. I mean, the 747 came out in. 1969. True. Tell me we've made it and I. was born that year, 55, six. years ago.

When was the last time we built a. plane that cool? 1969. We haven't, and to be fair, there's. a lot of things that we still, like. the B-52 bomber, it's still around. Buff is eternal, they joke, you. know? And so there's lot of great designs. from back when that are still. perfect designs now and can be. upgraded. It doesn't mean that we have to have. innovation for innovation's sake. Some things just work, but sometimes. you need new things. But as a younger guy at the. time, I was frustrated by all. this, and I'm like, you know what, I'm gonna build a car.

I got a point to prove. And my thinking at the time. was it can't be electric. because nobody knows what the heck a. kilowatt hour is back then. We're not accustomed to thinking. like that. We think miles per. gallon. How fast is it? Zero to 60, you know, things like. that, that's kind of the two things. that matter most to people and can. you use this? And how much does it. cost? So it's like, okay, I want to build a car that'll be. representative of something that can. be mass produced that, let's say it. would cost about $20,000 or less, I mean diesel, turbo diesel. So I looked around for what I felt.

was about the most efficient engine. reasonably available and built. the car. Now I said something like 11 years. ago on video so I can prove it. I said, it will get over a hundred. miles a gallon and it will do zero. to 60 in under five seconds. I built the car. I even showed it at a private-like. car event with sports cars and. exotic cars and told everybody about. my concept. But when I got it all together and. done, I realized I don't have. a voice. Like, what am I gonna do with this. thing? If the world doesn't know it exists.

and nobody hears about it, it. doesn't exist. You felt like Nikolai Tesla at this. point, I'm sure. Perhaps. Maybe, you know, he's. an interesting character. Yeah, for sure. Certainly, and I sat. on it. I just put it in my garage for. a better part of a decade. because I didn't have a voice. But other things going on in life, I was doing my nonprofit Genius. Garage, which I really believed in, because we can go into some big. problems in the American educational. system, especially higher education. I think we're stymieing our youth, the families in the future, and I. think it comes from predatory.

lending and loans you can't default. on. And I think the schools are. creating this vacuum monster. that is not the real world, with majors that are not providing. jobs and creating an environment for. political radicalization, but that's. another topic. But the reason I say that is-. Everything you just said is obvious. and it's crazy that it still exists. But let me just back up to the. vehicle itself. Yes, yes. Without getting boring on. the subject. No, let's come back to that. Explain how you get 100 miles to the. gallon on diesel and.

it goes zero to 60 in under. five seconds. Like how, what is that? How big is the motor? Like tell us about the car. Let me. ask you a question. So I don't know what you drove here. in, but let's pick your average car. or SUV. Put it in neutral. How hard is it to push it? Pretty hard. Pretty hard, right? Yeah. Like I know it sounds silly, but. when you work on cars, if you spend. your day pushing around cars, you. start thinking about how efficient. they are. Look at a car and SUV going down the. road or a semi. How aerodynamic do you think that. is?

not super aerodynamic. No. I drive a Silverado, not. aerodynamic. There's nothing about our cars that. are remotely efficient at all. So how do you get that? You just make the actual car, not so much the drive train. You're not looking for a magic. bullet. Everybody wants a magic. bolt. You make the car more. efficient. lower coefficient of drag, somewhat lighter weight, where you. don't need weight, just. less rolling resistance. You make it actual, efficient, good.

design. We don't do that with the. automotive industry anymore. And the reason I chose diesel is. because people would understand. that. Diesel is also a very flexible. fuel. We can make biodiesel. You can make diesel effectively. out of what's left over from the. meat packing industry, the wine. making industry, agriculture, you. name it. And, and this is fascinating too, because... And I got to get into why I talked. about the car, but since that. time, I got word back from. people kind of more in traditional. automotive media and whatnot. No one would talk about it or write. about it.

And I'm kind of pissed me off. because back when I was in a concept. and I just talked about it a little. bit on my YouTube channel, some. places would report about it, but. why is it when it was just a concept. and a YouTuber was trying to do. something efficient and. like maybe eco-friendly and whatnot, they'd write about, but then when it. actually did what I said it was. gonna do it, they wouldn't. So it actually gets a hundred miles. to the gallon for first time out. I didn't even have all the fairings. on her. I haven't even tuned it. It was a hundred and four point. seven two miles to gallon just. driving to the countryside normally. with stop signs and turns and such.

Just, just jumping in without even. tuning it more. The first time I. took it out, we were just idling and. doing hard poles and everything. else. I looked at them. Like, we just got like 88 miles to. go out and we're not even trying. That's crazy. Well, and the other thing, considering gas is pretty, it was. like three bucks or something right. here. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's expensive. It's more. expensive in Europe. And like, okay, I have. some gas guzzlers for sure. I like V12s and stick shifts and. straight pipes. So tell me about the. engine in this vehicle. It's largely conventional. It's turbo, which is good for diesel.

because it allows you some. flexibility to cruise. more. But if you want to make power, you can crank in the boosts and do. some things to make it efficient. And I experimented even with some. catalytic converters and such that. will even be better. So there's nothing crazy. about the drivetrain. There's no magic bullet there. What about... The other thing, I got. to point this out. That drive train when I started had. 130,000 miles on it. It's no spring chicken. What was it from? What'd you call it out of? Pre-diesel gate. Diesel gate's an interesting thing. to talk about too.

But... What's diesel gate? That was the big scandal. that Volkswagen went through with. allegedly cheating their emissions. Oh, I remember this, yes. That was back in, what. the heck was it? 2015, I think? Right. That was a big scandal. Which is interesting because in. looking back on it now, it seems to tie into more. with not. regulating a car company. so much for the betterment of. all, but an attack,

it's the way it kind of looks like. to me. An attack on Volkswagen. I would say diesel, because. Volkswagen was in, I don't know about now, but. certainly was the best and most. efficient. The engine I used was. from back in like 2000 when. they made it. Volkswagen. Yeah. And it's manual, more efficient that. way. The transmission's manual? Yeah, manual, less parasitic losses. It's just, it's cheaper to produce, gets better miles a gallon. And, you know, back in the day,

sports cars, if they were manual, would have better zero to 60 times. and such. No are true. Yeah, no longer true. Our automatics have gotten a lot. more interesting and whatnot. But um, but manual. transmission still makes for more. efficient driving. Yeah, because there's less parasitic. drag. There's less losses in the. drivetrain. like meaningfully more efficient? Well, especially in that time in the. 2000s, probably could. be five to seven miles per. gallon on the highway. Oh, wow. Maybe only like three, but it's.

still a lot. And when you consider. millions of cars over years, For. sure, or even your car over the. years. And it doesn't all. have to just be about like, oh, we. have to do this for the sake of. environment. These are costs that. hit people's pockets. That's the whole point. I wasn't. thinking about emissions even. So, well that's amazing. So, and what about emissions on. this vehicle? I'm trying to get to. like- In regard to mine or the whole. scandal thing going on. Your, specifically. It's the basic stuff that diesel. would have. I mean, you've got a. pretty serious catalytic converter. You've got the exhaust.

gas regulation and such. without getting an overly. nitty-gritty, Diesel does have some. things about it that. the EPA likes to go after. But it's kind of strange, and I'm. curious to see what happens in the. future. So you probably, I'm sure you saw. this, Supreme Court ruled. differently on the Chevron. deference. Of course. Which I'm really fascinated to see. how that changes the nature of. the way laws are interpreted.

so the bottom that the question. uh... before the court was. can federal agencies. create legislation when. the constitution says no congress. creates the law right. what's interpreted. Right. But for generations, the federal agencies, including EPA, but all of them, from the Department. of Education to the Department of. Defense, have come out with. regulations that have the. force of law that no one ever voted. for and that. no elected official had a hand in, so it's anti-democratic, right?

That's probably the reason why so. many of my friends complain about. the ATF. I think they're pretty good at. making laws that nobody thinks they. can. Well, the ATF has all kinds of other. problems like shooting innocent. people, but yes, no, absolutely. Yeah. But they. create regulations that no. one voted on and that no elected. official administers. So it's like, as a citizen, I have no recourse, so that's not. democracy. That's tyranny. Yeah, exactly. So that's the. conceptual. Oh, exactly, yeah. No exactly right exactly right, and. you know it's not looking for a you. know a way around something or a.

loophole But like what is right like. what are we actually doing here? Well, so if you want a lot of vote. on it, you know, and the beauty of. the Congress is they have two. or six years. between elections. So they're pretty accountable to. voters. And if voters don't like the. way they vote, they can turn them. out, at least conceivably, right? One hopes, one hopes. But the undersecretary. of douchebaggery. is completely beyond the. control of any voter. So like that's again, tyranny, right. Yes. Yeah, and that affects things.

greatly because when. you over-regulate things, it just makes it difficult to. innovate or go anywhere, you know, and the thing of it is, so going back to the car, the car I. built, so I mentioned to you, got. 104.72 miles to go, and. I video recorded the whole thing. because I want to know what does. this thing actually do because last. year was a very important year, it. was an election year. One thing that also drove me nuts, so if you look at, so the Biden. administration, and even Gavin. Newsom's pushing it, electric. vehicle mandates, like large.

electric vehicle mandate. It's not like back to the Clinton. era when it was like, I don't know, one to 2% of vehicles sold by. certain times need to be electric. No, they're big ones. And I had a huge problem. with Biden's administration doing. that because I'm like, this destroys. innovation. You know, and the other thing you go. into, and I don' want to beat up on. electric because it has its purpose. in places. I think all kinds of. drivetrains and energy do. And I don't mean that it's just like. political BS rhetoric. I mean that genuinely, but it's not. a Band-Aid fix.

Also, how are we going to charge. them? Our grid? Yeah, how? I'll tell you this. So I did some. math with all this. Let me tell you. So the next day, I'm coming right back to this point. on the math. The next day after I did the initial. mile per gallon testing on my car, I. did 0 to 60 times with it. So I put accelerometers and GPS in. this car, also my 93. Dodge Viper R210. C7 Corvette Grand Sport and my. neighbor's Tesla Model 3 rear wheel. drive with the full charge. My car the 104 miles a gallon.

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for a discount. JACE, J-A-S-E.com, checkout code TuckER. So what was zero to 60 in that? 4.61 I. probably could have done better but. honestly the tires are over a decade. old now because I built the car a. while ago and Such but that was. real-world driving and yeah I gave. it and I got videos of it if you. would look me out How did you beat. the Tesla it matched the. Tesla, but that wasn't only with the. Tesla to full charge It would. consistently get a little slower. every time as it would lose juice. my car. Just because the nature, obviously, of an electric vehicle just gives. you massive advantage.

And the test is simple. You just stick your foot down and. computers, that's the best it's. gonna do. My car would actually. probably beat it if I gave it some. clever traction control and such in. it, to be honest. But that's not the point. The point of it is, so I'm like, I'm. gonna run some numbers, just out of curiosity. What is the carbon. footprint of burning one gallon of. diesel? Oh, interesting. Okay, EPA has got numbers for that. Okay, what's the carbon foot print. on average in the United States. electrical generation, whether it's. nuclear, wind, coal, whatever.

National average. of the carbon footprint of a. kilowatt hour of electricity. Say like you're in a perfect world. charging your electric vehicle at. home. And then I just did the basic math. on, okay, what's the carbon foot. print of my car on diesel getting. over a hundred miles a gallon versus. the electric car charged at home, national average, over a 100 miles. My car beat the electric card at. a lower carbon footprint. And it has much lower one to. manufacture and it's easier to. fix. So that's when I went.

I also did some other fun math, respectfully towards coal. But hold on, just to be fair, can it. be turned off by remote by a. politician who doesn't like your. politics? Thank you. No it can't. Oh it can? No it cant. Well then I don't feel. comfortable with it then. You don't? Well, how are we gonna. control you? I don't care. You're not. I'm just gonna say that way. I like your spirit. Yeah. Yeah. No, thank you for. bringing that up. That's very. important because the. other thing about I drive a 1987. Well done, sir. No, I get it. With a gun in it. Yeah, good,

good. Sorry, I shouldn't say that. I get too excited on the strike. You remember the days at school, like you could have a gun rack. because people were reasonable human. beings in a community. I grew up in the way of California, we didn't have a lot of deer hunting. there. But she could still. Yeah, exactly. But now you can still do it. I kind of get my independent. spirit. I'm like, I'm going to put a. gun rack in my Viper, not because I. need it, just because. America, you know? I totally agree. But, and that's the other. thing about the electric car. So when I look at it, all the. governmental control and what it.

appears to me globally is. going on with much of that and. the push. And then the other things. that doesn't make any sense. So the Biden administration doing. the big electric vehicle mandates. and such and push, but excluding. Tesla. their meetings at the White House. and summit and all that. Really? So what you're telling me is the. thing that you wanna do with. industry and cars and transportation. is super important, but not as. important as the politics with the. guy with the biggest electric car. company in the world? I don't like that either. Well, they're just criminals. I mean-. I mean, we know that now they're.

crimp, that was a criminal. organization running our. I know. I think a lot of my grandmother, who. is married to my World War II vet. granddad, of course, she always. said, give him a fair trial and hang. him in the morning. And that phrase. has been ringing in my mind a lot. lately. She sounds like... My kind of woman so but let me let. me just back a little bit. So you create this vehicle in. your shop, right? Yeah, yeah, okay And. you think that you could. build it for 20 grand. Is it true? Okay 20 grand So. it gets a hundred and four mass.

produced, of course Oh at scale. not not as a prototype obviously. Yeah, so but. It does gets a 104 miles. per gallon. It matches the Tesla off the line. you get to 16 under 5 seconds. So that's like kind of the dream. package right there, and it runs on. a readily available fuel that you. can buy at any. Yeah, and I only put a, we have. the infrastructure for it. Well, yeah, right, you can fill it. up at a gas station. I only a put a. five gallon tank in it. Cause at a hundred miles a gallon, like I'm gonna need to get out and,

you know, have the call of nature or. stop at a gas station before, but if. I put a bigger gas tank and I can. drive from New York to L.A. On one tank? Yeah, of course. Now, I have to point this out. because there's lots of smart people. watching, they'll get it. Things like crash testing, airbags, climate control, all. that jazz. Okay, great. It'll add a few hundred pounds more. to it. Maybe it'll make the car a. little bit better. But the other. thing that happens when you actually. develop and build something like. that, you tune it better.

I still can get those numbers and. meet all of those same requirements. Okay, so can I just ask, at that. point it's like if you invent. something that. is truly useful. and that, you know, at 20. grand-ish, a new suburban's like pushing a. hundred grand right now, like the. cars are out of control. Who can. afford that? I couldn't agree more. If you spend that much money on a. car, go buy a vintage Ferrari or. something. I don't know that I've ever bought a. new car in my life, and I don' plan. to, but people want new, whatever, leaving that a whole aside, but what.

you just described is something that. almost by definition wouldn't be. successful, so why. can't you find someone to. build it at scale? Well, it's 2025. and we live in. a wonderful. country, but one that has evolved. into a lot of industrial. complexes and they don't like. change. Yeah, but I mean, you know, no one wants AI anyway.

Well, yeah, but right. We're getting massive chain. It's power. That's that's power and control and. money and they can do it and they. will which I have to say one thing. Which I think you may appreciate. AI effectively is a synthetic god. that we're creating. Oh, of course. How much of a biblical. warning disaster is that? Oh, you don't have to dig too deep. to be We're destroying. the entirety of the human. experience. I just I just wanted to. say and people themselves, right? Yeah, it's replacing human beings. And by the way,

I've done, I don't know, how many. interviews on the topic of AI around. the world. I've been to a lot of. different countries to learn just. for myself more about what's. happening there. And the one question that no one can. answer is, like, what's the. benefit of this? Like, you know- Power, control for. others? None of the benefits, yeah, whatever. I don' want to sound like. an old guy, but I feel like. one when I hear this topic. So, but anyway, just back to. the point, like, why specifically? show. You've been talking about this on.

your podcast, on YouTube. Yeah, on my YouTube channel, yeah. And which has a lot of viewers. And why has no one called you to. say, you know, I'll friendship. a couple hundred million bucks and. we'll just build a facility. and. The difficulty with things like this. is, so, okay, first of all, you think, how do you. do that? Okay, with what I'm talking. about is not something that can be. reasonably just scaled from a. garage. Like, what am I gonna do? Just build a few little ones here, sell them out, and eventually, you. gotta do something, right? No, no, I got it. I would buy one if you're selling one, I would. What's it look like? Oh, it's such a bad interviewer,

I haven't even asked the basic. question. No, you should. It's pretty cool. But can you describe it? Give me a word picture. I'm trying to think of something that. quite looks like it. It's slippery. It looks like a cross between an. exotic car and a little bit of a. Bonneville Salt Flats car. Wow, you didn't mention Cybertruck, does it have hard lines? Well, I'd like it to be efficient. rather than just interesting for. esthetic sake.

Respectfully, I don't mean that as. a-. No, no, I'm not attacking the. Cybertruck. I personally think it's. incredibly unattractive. It's not- The Cybertruck? Yes. I just like the mean- And I respect. the Cypertruck, by the way. I did a Cybertruk review. I think it is a really interesting. vehicle. I'm glad it exists. But I'm just saying, esthetically-. Yeah, it's pretty good looking. a little different because we're. accustomed to seeing what we're. seeing. Too many angles for me. Oh, no, I was talking about my car, not the Cybertruck. Okay, sorry, I'm obsessed with this. No, the Cyberstruck, the best meme. is there's a DeLorean. and an F117 Nighthawk,

right? And F1117 is like the. military guy and DeLorian is kind of. like the mom. And the Nighthawks like, what do you mean he's my son? He doesn't look anything like me. And they show the Cypertruck and. he's like... You know, I'm more like. 1935 Packard, you know, just soft lines. I have a 31 Buick Phaeton. Is it pretty? Yes, very. Yeah, of course it is. So anyway, I keep interrupting you. Tell me what it looks like. What would you compare it to? Well, it's mid-engine.

Okay, so the engines within the. wheelbase but behind the cockpit. It's two-seat It has. butterfly doors similar to like a. McLaren F1 in that regard was. efficient It. has something of an open tail. because I it was very. important the way the air flows. around it But also underneath it. So that I can make. it highly efficient So, you know the bottom of the it's a. monocoque structure where it's not. like tube frame. with the body stuck on it the whole. car is itself the structure as well.

So the air the way it flows over it. through the radiator in the back. also To the heating of the motor. and their way that then intersects. the trailing edge and the way the. air flows around it It's just all. designed to be Design efficient. Sounds amazing and. you can even use the structure of. the show with its chassis or the. structure So I can even make. the stereo system very small and. effective and efficient because. naturally acoustically it works out. well for that too. So it's a lot of. fun with design. I just, every once in a while you need somebody.

who looks around at the world and. goes, this is wrong, we can do better, I can do better, i'm going to do better. And that's just. So you build this thing, can you. register it? Yeah. Just like go to the DMV and register. it. Yeah, it's registered no different. than like an assembled vehicle or. kick car. There's a lot of ways that. are modified vehicle. Yeah. Amazing. Car guy stuff. What do people say when you drive it. around? I keep it relatively under wraps,

because respectfully, for as much. time as it took me to build and what. it represents, I consider it. kind of valuable to trust out there. in the wild with people on their. cell phones and stuff. So I kind of go with a low. profile, but people are. definitely interested and enamored. by what they see. But they're not. beating down your door. Correct, and that was the other. interesting thing. So nobody reported on it, even. though, you know, I got him. a few hundred thousand views on it, when I said everything I wanted to. say and show it and it did the. numbers, right? I would think if. somebody builds a diesel car.

that represents being affordable and. recyclable mass produce that gets. great fuel efficiency and has a low. carbon impact and all people would. be into that. Well, one word I got back from an. automotive media was telling. They said, we don't. report on dirty diesel. And the other was diesel's dead. And I thought about that and I go. diesels like one most used fuels. there are with who who wrote that. uh... it was said it wasn't. written it was set to a these like. professional car reviewers correct. they won't touch it they were right.

about it. Why do, this is obviously a much. deeper question, but why do the. worst people in the world, the most. small-minded, the stupidest, the. meanest, the people. with the most unbalanced, unhealthy personal lives, why do. they all go into journalism, do you. think? That's a better question for you, but I have a theory. I've been. pondering this for like 35 years and. I don't understand it. There are certain personality types. and I see the worst ones. as kind of like we talk about like. the dark triad personality traits. which is like you know psychopathy.

and Machiavellianism and narcissism. etc you know these kinds. I'm gonna get in a lot of trouble for. this. No I love it, I've clearly. thought about this. I've been around so in the. normal car world, sports cars and. such. I love exotic cars. I really do. When I was a kid, my dad showed me. the movies Grand Prix with James. Gardner and Le Mans with Steve. McQueen. Please tell me you've seen. at least one of these movies, right? I don't know. Okay. Well, watch Le Mans was Steve. Mcqueen. Just getting a good vibe as. Steve McQueen being himself and.

just Le Mans straight in. Le Mans, early 70s, Porsche flat. 12 against a Ferrari V12, just singing it and like as a kid. I'm like, I want that. You know what I mean? So I love the exotic cars because. for me, something like a V12. Lamborghini like Yes, I can't be Steve McQueen at LaMalle, but I can drive this. You know what I mean? Yeah. But nowadays they're paddle shifted. and anybody that wants to flex can. buy them. So if somebody ever said. to me, hey, Casey, I need you to. find me the most narcissistic. sociopaths possible. I'm like, no problem.

Let's find the most Lamborghinis. And the reason I bring that up. And you say they're paddle shi-. meaning the- the- Anybody can. drive them. They don't take any. more. They don't take any more skill or. appreciation for the machinery, respectfully. say were you like double clutching. and like how hard were they to. operate before when. there was standard transmission? Yeah, things like that back when, you know, carbureted, like anything, you got to treat a muscle car right. a little bit, you know, something. that's carburetted. An old Harley Davidson. Yeah, I mean, if. you get the privilege. of driving something like an old.

Lamborghini or Ferrari from the 70s. or earlier, you gotta be a little. sympathetic, you gotta understand. the transmission, you've got to be. able to rev match gears and such, you're not going to be doing. wild burnouts and such, got to. understand the carburetors and. letting it warm up and appreciate. it, and we're industrial place. where you don't have to do that. But to answer your question relating. to journalism, I. make that joke about certain things. attract certain personality traits. because those personality traits can. do well. So, you know, they also say. Washington DC is Hollywood for ugly. people. That's for sure.

And I think a lot of the traits of. Hollywood to Washington DC to. journalism are the same. kind of manipulative sociopath. tendencies that you can lie to. somebody with a smile perfectly and-. and find the structured crazy. chess game to ruin people's life and. power play your way up and. find power and money. Yeah, I mean, I think I mean clearly. everything you're saying is. is true But I. just disappointing to see it in. journalism not because crap They're. gutless with weird personal lives.

going to journalism and they're. cowards. Of course. Most people are unfortunately. They have no curiosity. I know. And that's what drives me. insane. Thank you. If there's one. quality that defines journalism. and a journalist, it's the desire. to know more. Right. And they spend their whole. lives trying to, you know, attack. you, call you a racist for wanting. to know more. It's insane. So somebody called me. Well, actually you did call me and. you're like, I built this car that. gets 104 gallons. I mean, miles to a gallon.

I'm not even a car guy really, but. I'm like, well, that's kind of crazy. on a diesel motor. Really? Engine? Yes. And, you know. I tried to be polite and qualify. myself. Oh, but I just thought that was. amazing. It was amazing, I was like, really, is that really true? I guess you get video of it, so I. guess it is. So, I don't know why, if I was a. professional car reviewer, I'd be. like, I'm coming to your house, I. wanna see what this is. Yeah, and to be fair in a manner of. speaking, I didn't really invent. anything. I just designed something better and. thought about the world. independently, and like, I'm doing.

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structure and everything in my hand. My wife gets on my case sometimes. We go on a date or she's like, ah, I. can see the hamster wheel turning. I'm like, I'm sorry. That's okay. creativity works. You just eat, you know. It germinates in your head. No, I've lived in here. But no, the. journalists, I appreciate you saying. that because they follow along. They want their power within their. bubble. But the thing that's kind of. crazy to me when I say they're. gutless, you would think they would. actually get better views and more. clicks if they broke the mold to. show something interesting that. maybe goes against popular. narratives.

Oh, they spend their lives dutifully. ignoring things. I mean, there are megaliths around. the world, including in the United. States, huge stone structures. And nobody, including any. structural engineer in the U.S. has no idea how they were. built in the pre-internal. combustion age, in the industrial. age. There's literally not even a. good guess as to how this was built. And of course, I don't know the. answer either, but I mean that's. such an amazing thing. When were the pyramids built? Nobody knows. How were they built? Nobody knows.

I can't get that out of my head. And again, I'm not pushing a. conspiracy theory, I'm just noting. what we don't know. And I don't why, like everyone's. like, shut up, shut up. I'm glad you said that and there's a. lot of other structures that are. popping up more nowadays in. archeology and there are even guys. that do like surface lidar. and they're seeing things in fields. and such and it's as silly. as it is. Can you explain what that is. for people who don't know what you're talking. about? To be perfectly honest, I. don't it as well, but I think. through the satellites and stuff. that we can use now, like nerds,

and I mean that in a nice way, spend. the time like looking over, it. shows the exact topography of the. ground. Exactly. vegetation and suggest underneath it. yes if you start seeing geometric. shapes and stuff might be something. it might be man-made. You know? Or at least made. Yeah. Well, and the other thing is, so maybe not too long ago, 10, 20, 30 years ago, we think, oh, we've discovered everything. We're brilliant. We know everything. It's not true. I know, I know. I really, I don't. know if I'll have time or what the. future will bring, but I really.

want to do some videos. where you go to. interesting places in the world to. see and find these things. And one thing I'd really like to do. is motorcycles around Saudi Arabia. because it is a fascinating kingdom. with some really interesting. history. I was just there. Well, yeah. Yes, and I was out. in Al-Ula, which is a. truly ancient, right, that's. the place you want to see it. Yeah, one of them. Right out from. Riyadh. It's quite amazing, but the archeology there, which, you.

know, the Saudis have a lot going. on. They're building a whole new. society. And I don't know that they are, you now, focused on, like most. emerging nations are not. focused on archeology, all of the archeological sites. of significance in the. Middle East, in the, you know, the. Near East, the Levant. were discovered by the Brits and the. French, all of them. They'd sat there for thousands of. years. The locals were like too busy. trying to stay alive. Well, they knew. of it. It was, I don't wanna say. normal to them, but that's their. home. But it took people from the.

outside to be like, wait, what the. hell is that? Where was whatever, Sodom. and Gomorrah? Yes, yes, yes. Yeah, I mean, how much of that is. Biblical land, like the land of. Midian, you know, which they know. But the point is, that process of discovery and. of creativity is driven by. a common impulse, which is. curiosity. Yeah. And so when you don't have. curiosity, you're never gonna discover or. create. But more important, I think, for the moment we're living in, it's. like, why don't you have curiosity?

Why is curiosity discouraged? Like that is a very, and I don't. know the answer. but I find it scary. There's something sinister about. that. Don't ask questions. Well, why? Social media is doing it to us. Yeah, but why? What's the- Well- I. mean, I don't even have very. interesting, crazy views on. anything, but I know just from. talking about World War. II, there are people alive who are. in World War Two. It's like, it just happened 80 years. ago. People like denounce you as. some Nazi. I couldn't be more.

against the Nazis for the record, But it's like, what was. Rudolf Hess doing? in Great Britain. That's like a really interesting. question. No, not a lot. They murdered. Rudolf Hess in Spandau. in his 80s. I think it's really clear that he. was killed, so he wouldn't. say why he flew over. People just won't talk about things. But it's like, but why? Why is that scary to anybody? What are, and the megalith thing and. the archeology thing, why are these. scary questions? Well, what's the answer?

I don't Stand. I'll say it. So you said relating your cars. about control, right? Yeah. I don't want this because they. can't control it. It's the same. thing of like saying you can pry. this, whether it's a sports car or. firearm out of my cold dead hands. If people don't ask questions and. they're not interested in their own. history or culture or the. past or any others and they can. relate, it's easier to keep. them in one place and your thumb on. them. I-. I think that's I mean look if. but I don't begrudge people a. lack of interest in anything I mean. every person makes his own decisions.

about what he cares about and yeah. And you know his beliefs his. religion all those things, you know, I'm like very I guess liberal in. that sense I just. I'm worried when people attack. me for being curious. Mm-hmm Yeah, I don I'm not all. these people on this so called. right, you you know Whatever a lot. of which is like totally fake. There's something right about it. their leftists, or their. true, you know, obeying the same. masters. Start attacking you for asking. Oh, just asking questions. It's like yeah, I am just asking. question like that's okay. In fact, that's like the.

nature of human Existence Western. civilization. That's what Martin. Luther did. And the thing that, frankly, is so. dangerous about …. No, it's perfect. And frankly, that's what I think's. so dangerous about AI. Yeah. The journey, the life journey. to find the wisdom, to learn, to. seek the truth. Will that stop it? And then who's controlling it? The iPhone has not made us better. informed. The internet has not make us. better-informed. In fact, it's. centralized control over. information. In a fact, when Wikipedia is the first.

search result, and Wikipedia. is completely controlled by the U.S. government, but the intel agency's. fact, and the. results in Wikipedia are shaped. subtly, sometimes not so subtly to. produce a worldview. that is inherently dishonest, it's not true. And if you get your history through. Wikipedia, I look at Wikipedia. every day, I'm not, there are. certain great things about Wikipedia, but big picture, you're gonna have. no idea why. what happened in the past if all. you do is read Wikipedia. No, how. can you? I mean, we can think of so.

many popular things through history. that are just that way where people. only know one superficial level. The internet did that to us. Oh my God. No, it has. It has made everything. more extreme and pigeonholed. everything. You know, and it's- But. it's a dumber, like people don't. read books. Well, here's something I noticed. just from-. Sorry, now I'm really good. Oh, no, you're right. Well, just from doing automotive. YouTube, it still works the same. as every other YouTube and human. interaction and all that. I, it's kind of a funny way to put. it. So I was a car guy before.

YouTube, right? I built cars, I did. all that sort of thing. A lot of. people that become more prominent in. the automotive region of YouTube, they weren't as big a car guide. They kind of just rose up as an. interesting character. And they're happy to be somewhat. famous, make some money, do their. thing, get acknowledgement. And as I. I grew that, which is funny, because. the entirety of the reason I went on. YouTube was just to try to get some. exposure for the nonprofit I was. doing, because I couldn't get any. with traditional media. I was kind of pissed off. So I ended up there for that reason,

but kept it going because it's like, okay, we'll have something of a. voice. This is good for the. nonprofits to give it exposure or. just try to have a life and go. somewhere, you know? But what I noticed is they. call the people that are creating. the content, the influencers. They're the Influenced. because they're always chasing an. algorithm. And the algorithm wants. to keep you in one place. It doesn't let you evolve. It doesn' let you do anything. No, no, it's totally right. It's a pseudo reality. And I see how that affects the. culture in young people. I don't like it.

It's the snake of the ant's tail for. sure. I wonder though, like, I'm sure this. has occurred to you and I'm. terrible at business, so don't take. my advice, but like, since. you have designed something that has. inherent utility and obvious mass. appeal. I'm naive enough to think that still. matters. Like if you make a great. thing, people want it. and they'll pay for it, especially. if it's cheap. Why not just do like a crowdfunding. situation where like, all right, you. know, I designed this vehicle it's.

104 miles to the gallon on. diesel fuel, which you can buy. anywhere. And that, you can match. an electric vehicle off the line. Like who wants to send in. money and let's make this thing. Right. Well, it's how you scale it, right? So in my thinking, if you do a. crowdfunding type of thing, it's. very grassroots, respectfully. Yeah. And I would have to go a different. direction with the car, where they'd. kind of almost be like. self-assembled prototype type. things, and that's cool. But honestly, the thing I kind of. worry about doing that, starting.

a small scale versus something else, is that I don't want to do. something, in a sense, too good to. where they try to change. the laws and ruin the. ability for people to build their. own cars. I know that sounds a. little kooky. The other thing is, if you think of. like private equity guys and such, typically they want a faster return. on such. And the problem is when you're. thinking of something that, frankly, upsets an industry and relates to. the automotive industry, how do you. integrate it? Can you use the process to make. smaller parts that can be profitable.

in industry? Do you start smaller. like that? Do, do you want to do all big scale. and create a car company from the. ground up? Because that's no small. task, monetarily speaking. No, it's not. And there's only so. money. idealistic rogue billionaires in the. world, you know? And that's. generally what it takes unless you. have a government that wants. to make something happen. If you can make a vehicle like this. for 20 grand, why not just sell. it for 50 grand on the internet? I'd buy one. You have a point, but you got to. scale that to a point that works, because there's a big difference between. doing something in a small.

manufacturing to. mass production. But at the same time... There's just got to be a way to get. it out there, I mean... Well, Elon's first car with Tesla, the Roadster, was a Lotus Elise. chassis with a different body and. electrified. And the guys that I knew who had. those originally were rich guys. They had Ferraris and Lamborghinis, and that was their cool toy to start. with. What's this car called, by the. way? The Tesla Rose? Your original one. Oh, mine. The Omega car. I called it. The Omega. Thank you for watching! I'd like an omega car in forest. green. Could you do that?

I'd buy it in a second. Can you ship them? You can, you can. We'd have to talk if you want to. prototype something though. Maybe we'll make something special. Yeah. Hold your fly rods. Yeah, for real. If you can't use it, what good is. it? I'm getting one. So I just want to go back to. something you said in the very first. moments of this interview. You said that you don't own. any of it. You're obviously a car. guy. You build cars. Yeah. My happiness is way too.

wrapped up in the ability to just. drive my own car. Yeah, I love- Whether anybody's. around or not, I don't care. Just let me drive my car. But you like wrenched on them too. Yeah. It's rewarding. I don' want to say you want to do it. all the time. No. It's awful. My hands have healed up enough, I. won't bleed on my white shirt today. That's nice. Um. Ask, like, you said that you don't. have any vehicle older than early. 2000s. Newer. Newer than early. Rather. Yeah. Newer, I beg your pardon.

So why is that, like what's. bad about cars made in the last. 25 years, and please be very. specific. Oh, I will. The first problem with new cars is. you lose money hand over fist to. depreciation. And then if you have to take out a. loan for it, you're also paying. interest on that. And one of the fastest ways I see. normal people in general lose money. is on new cars. And they do it because they're. afraid they can't work on it or. service on it. That's exactly right. That's basically the only real. reason. That's actually right. But then you get dealerships that.

just find new ways to not do their. warranty work because that's where. they make a lot of money. And that's. a separate thing. So a new car... I mean, that's nice if you can. afford it, but rather than buying. a new $100,000 truck or SUV, I'd rather buy this nice used one. for, I don't know, 15 or 20 and. spend the rest of the money. I'll go, you know, if you got it, go. buy a vintage Ferrari or a muscle. car, something cool. You know, at least keep your money, have some fun. But it's more than that. Cars, I would say in the last. 20 to 25 years. The evolution is not for.

the sake of the car. and the person and so much of the. experience, it's more for the the. nature of dealing with. regulation and keeping a profit. margin and building it. And when you do that, you make things that are inherently. more prone to failing in the future. and less serviceable. And that's not good for ownership. and our actual lifespan. So everything, um, I. mean, I grew up working on a. motorcycle with a carburetor and.

building the carburettor, adjusting. the flow bowl, you know, I had a timing light adjust the. points. I mean all that stuff, just. like really super basic mechanics. And you know there are lots of. downsides to that. They break a lot, but you could understand it. My feeling is the. vehicles that I have had that are. newer. I mean I have no idea how. they work. Fuel injection is still kind of a. mystery to me. I'm sorry to say that. it is. It works the same way as a. carburetor. It's just meter. and more complicated. I guess this trend toward making.

everything electric, I bought a truck last year, a Chevy truck which I always had and. I was at a gas station. and all of a sudden on the dashboard. it says stop, we're downloading. information from the internet. While you were driving? No, I was stopped. It just specifically wanted you to. stay stopped so it can. So it could, I don't know, download softwares. I sold the car immediately, I. brought it back and sold it. They wanted all your data to provide. it to insurance companies to wreck. your life, I'm Is that true?

Okay. Insurance companies will be. the downfall of cars and driving, I guarantee it. And the other thing is all the. cameras that are out there, everybody's putting cameras on their. car. I'm like, okay, you guys-. Cameras on their cars? Well, I am sure you've seen it, like. people are buying little cameras to. see what happens. If somebody does something stupid on. the road, you can use that to. protect yourself legally, right? That's why they sell it. It's never occurred to me, but yes. Okay. What happens when those are. mandated in every car everywhere? What happens when you're completely. mandated control? Car shuts off at exactly 55 mile an.

hour speed limit, no matter what. It's just another method of slippery. slope of control, and it'll come. from insurance companies. And law enforcement can turn off. your car from afar, correct? Yeah, and they do. Certain cars. Yeah, so what's the, when's the last year you could. have a car that can't be controlled? Oh, that's a good question because I. don't mess around with those cars. very often or. ever. But is it fair to say if. you... Ones that are connected to. the internet are a satellite in some. way. You know, OnStar kind of came about.

with your mirror, and I don' really. know much about it, but that was. kind of the first, I think, mainstream way when we saw cars were. being specifically connected to. something beyond yourself. So would you say pre-911. cars are safe or. not? They're a lot safer in terms of. that. The other thing too, in the. early 2000s, a system called hand. bus system came out. It was to make wiring more. efficient, you theoretically have. less wires, but everything is tied. together through almost like a. spinal cord of the computer and it. has to speak to each other. And that was something else that was. kind of a beginning of the end and.

being serviceable in the future and. not creating cars with a lot of. glitches. does feel like everything is, you're gonna have like fly-by-wire. cars with, you know. We already do. The other thing is a couple of small. points that are also happening were. the right to repair. your own private properties under. attack. That's for farmers. What does that mean? Well, I think there was a big thing. going on with John Deere tractors. where farmers couldn't service their. vehicles. They have to take them to. the dealership and have to plug in.

with the computer that only the. dealerships has through the company. And forgive me if I got this wrong. I think it was John Deare. But that's something that's. happening everywhere. Because if manufacturers or. dealerships want more money, well, they want you to service with them. If they make it so you can only. service with them no matter what, well then they're going to, in an authoritarian way, force you. to let them make the money. Which is frankly another method of. control. And when you start adding. all of those things up, you just. keep taking away all the power for. the people before eventually.

you get to a point where will you. even be able to own your own car. anymore? And will you driving it be a. liability to where if we have. self-driving cars, it just. takes you there at the most. efficient time that whatever the. it wants you to, wants you too. So that's like an attack on human. autonomy. Yeah, it's where that's going, and something I hate. something I hate. So I had a Harley Davidson, you. know, since I was in college in. 1971, which you know I could. kind of understand. Great bike.

But I bought a new Harley last. year and they delivered it, you now, big fun. bike fast, you like six. speeds, which is crazy. to me. And just the transmission is. like great. I mean, my bike, you downshift, you gotta pop the. throttle, no return spring in the. throttle. You gotta pop it like that. to get it down. Um, and so the shifting in this. thing was just like beyond belief. But when they delivered it to my. barn, they, I said, I, well, let's talk about how to change.

the oil, obviously. And they go, uh, you know, no, we don't, we actually. recommend bringing it to the. dealership. And I was like, yeah, but it's changed the oil and the. motorcycles, like not hard. And they're like, well you know. they're gaskets and gaskettes. Why would you be a gap? Why did you have to replace a gasket. to change? I brought it back to the dealership. Didn't want it. Oh really? You're like, and now I'm done with you. guys. I did. And they were great. I don't mean to. attack them in any way. They were awesome people.

Most motorcycle people are great. people and they definitely were. But I didn't want a motorcycle. where you had to replace a gasket. I mean, like pop the jugs off. I mean maybe like. A wheel chain. You might have a little like. copper o-ring or aluminum ring or. something on the drain plug, but. like of course you always is this. one of those crazy modern. manufacturing thing where you have. to do. where you have to disassemble half the. engine. And they're like, whoa, whoa. whoa whoa. I was like, I'm not rebuilding the. lower end. I just sort of changed the oil. And they were like, most of. our customers bring that back to the.

dealership. And I don't know, I didn't like that. at all. And I felt like there was a. scam involved. which is the one you described, right? Yeah, it just triggers. something kind of in your... Because you're dependent on somebody. else. Something's wrong here. Well, and I don't say those things. in a kooky conspiratorial. type of way, but it's literally. where we're going. And when I see things like that, and. I mentioned about it'll be insurance. companies that ruin it for. everybody, because the other thing. is, what happens.

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And then they just, they melted. them. And I felt like there was something. pretty sinister about that, but. maybe I'm just like one of those. paranoid wackos who don't think. Randy Weaver deserved to be killed. I don't know, maybe I just on the. fringe. No, if an industry is. no longer about innovation, and it's. so big that it can't. fail, and it's pushed to go a. certain way, well then. the best way to ensure that it. succeeds is force you to buy. something new, even if it's not in. your own best interest.

But it does, you know, you raised. the question, which is how. do you service vehicles. made before 9-11? And that is why people don't want. them. And I must say, made before. You said you buy- The ones made. before are easier to service than. the ones made after. Well, no, I mean, it's like, if you. buy an older vehicle, and. I drive an older vehicles, so I. know, it's you can't just, I mean. you have to know someone who can fix. it. Yeah, of course, to an extent, yeah. But are we entering a. world where there won't be any. mechanics you can.

who know what a carburetor is, for. example. I don't know. I don't know about that so much, it's specialized, but they're. simple. You can look at it and know. the basic principles that are going. on. It's the newer stuff that's. crazy. For instance, my father-in-law. recently got my mother-in law this. nice newer SUV. I think it's a BMW, I think is a. hybrid SUV. She likes it. And my father and I look at and go. by and we're like, there's a lot of. servos and things whirring and. buzzing. And I don' wanna say it, but I guess I'm saying it now. It's kind of like, when is this. thing gonna break? And how much is. that gonna cost?

No, you're not gonna reasonably fix. that. And then when that thing is. older, that all these highly. specialized little mechanisms and. circuit boards and servos or. whatever go bad, who's making that? And is it worth making it anymore? Or is it just another giant, complicated, toxic, wasteful. thing that we go on on this vicious. consumer cycle? No, they just crush it. Well, some older cars, you can. still fix. It's a goofy story. maybe, but... I bought a, for $8,000,

I bought a 1996 Rolls Royce. off Facebook Marketplace, kind of as. a joke. I'm like, I don't know, this might. be kind of cool. I loved the car and I ended. up fixing it up for almost nothing. And I got a car that in 1996- Did. it run? Yeah, it was a great car. Taking off family trips and all in. it. I didn't have to do that much. In a Rolls-Royce? Yeah, It was like. $170, $80,000 in the 90s, but where I'm going with it is- The. way you roll. Hey, look. I may not be wealthy, but like I can. live well if you got a toolbox and. some know-how and you think for. yourself You know, but where I was.

going with it is that car is fixable. the way it's constructed What kind. of engine does it have? It's got a V8. It's all aluminum. naturally aspirated V8 The. transmission is General Motors. based. So when I needed stuff to fix. it, I just got it locally It was no. big deal and sure there's some. things that are old Rolls-Royce on. it, but it's built differently. It's built to where you can actually. repair the part. Not just be a parts changing. type of mechanic like modern. things. And people get into technology. for technology sake nowadays,

but it's the philosophy of design. that goes behind it. We're locked in this. consumer industrialized, only new is. better, more complicated, more. expensive, more regulated, when the mentality and the. know-how, should we say, of the. first half of the 20th century, we. built things that could actually be. repaired. We built things that can be. serviceable, that can last. to an extent. So why are we not still using. good design and. engineering mindsets and direction.

with modernity. in a way that's actually useful. for people and communities and. a nation, and rather than just an. industry. I'm most struck by, I mean, because we've deindustrialized is. part of it. So that makes sense to me, you know, why can't we build this or that. thing? Why haven't we been to the. moon, you now, in 50 years, assuming we went in the first place? I kind of get that because there are. fewer competent engineers.

Everyone's a marketing major. Okay, that makes since. What I don't understand is. the decline in design. across and not just in automotive. but across the. society, the civilization actually. We're making things uglier, aren't. we? Why is that? That's a cultural issue. I was in another city, I. won't name it, but a nice kind of. tertiary city, but a growing city with a lot of. nice people in it, affluent, and I. was driving through, this was last.

week, and was driving through an. affluent neighborhood. with one of my children who's a. design person, and said, that house. is black. This is a new build. It's a brand new house. Yeah, and normally that would have. meant in Europe, you got the black. pill, like, don't come here back. in the day, right? Like if you're in Amsterdam. A black house? And then I saw another, and then I. still like three more. I said to. my daughter, what is this? She goes, it's disgusting. And I felt that way, but like what, why would you ever paint a house.

black or why would build, like what. the hell is going on with design? What's your theory? Actually, I went in. College of North Ohio State, third. generation there, and originally I. was going in for automotive design. or product design. I really should have gone into. engineering, that's my forte, but. where I'm going with this is, it's. housed within fine art in. colleges. And I generally just like. modern art, okay? I think that if you don't. have the technical skill.

to do something actually beautiful, I don't care about your. your hoo-hoo abstract ideas, right? But where I'm going with this is... So called art and design and. product design has been influenced. over the 20th century going back to. like the Frankfurt School in Europe, which frankly, was a lot of. communist mindset that infiltrated. the art world. And it's. made. Sure, it's anti-Western. civilization, anti-Christian, so. that's the point.

It's the simplest thing. In fact, I gave you this small. detail. I ended up hating my experience. there. I ended quitting after like a. year and a half and designing my own. major just to get the hell out of. school because I. was kind of pissed off actually. because there was one specifically, I remember in this one class, we get. to design something for the whole. semester, right? And we're gonna design a bathroom. scale. I'm like, okay, I thought about it. I'm this sucks. With the way they're teaching us to. have an esthetic, do the simplest. things possible, which is,

Communistic in a way, you know. It seems almost so that's the. imperative make it as simple as. possible. The simplest, most boring thing. possible. I'm like, what is the. point? Let's just have a white room. with one Wassily chair in the back. of it. We'll just sit there and hate. our lives. Like anything beautiful, anything classic, they shied away from design, literally pushed away. What about natural? Natural beauty. It does seem like there's. a very intense, like almost visceral hatred of. nature coming off design people.

It's like- Strangely, yes. Strangly. In regard to the story I have to. tell you, so the. bathroom scale, I thought to myself, this is gonna take a semester. It doesn't even have to function. And if they just wanna make the. simplest thing possible, okay, here, here's a round piece of glass with. an LCD display on it that tells you. to go eat a salad. Like, well, I don't wanna do this. And so I met with the academic. advisor and I said, I will meet. all of your academic requirements. for this class, but please let me. design something at my level right. now. Let me design a car.

And they said no. They would not let me design it. Just because there's too much. initiative and too much creativity? They wouldn't let me do it. Did you pay for this experience? Yeah, sadly, and that's a problem in. the American educational system. You know, libraries are free. You know, there's a lot of nice. people out there that can help you. learn. But, so, I stayed around. in that program for another. semester. I didn't do anything the whole. semester. The night before the exam. and presentation, I just Ferris. Buellered a bunch of stuff together. and ran around, I don't know, got a.

B plus. And I just designed cars and things. on my own. But how insane is that, that. in college, when you're actually. paying to be there, and they're. supposed to be design and product. design, that they won't actually let. students. do what they're capable of doing or. push a boundary or go anywhere. They literally keep a thumb on you. like that. I quit the program after. that and I. stopped caring where fortunately. when I was in high school and. hopefully people have. teachers that actually care, that. matter. I had art teachers that.

made the world of difference for me. and a lot of other people. That was huge. And people write things off now. in, you know, pre-college, things like shop, home ec, vocational. Art, engineering drawing, those are some of the most important. things you can possibly have. But we got rid of all of those. things to push college prep. way more than, I don't know, third. wave feminist literature. I don' know. Rethink what you just said and ask. yourself, do I really mean what. I said?

Well, that, I dunno, that architectural draftsmanship is. more important than, say, The Color. Purple by Alice Walker. You mean the things that actually. make you contributing, functioning, individual member of society? that elevate beauty and truth over, like, garbage by some low. IQ unhappy chick? Yeah, they go into an academic. vacuum that's not the real world, that's fueled by loans you can't. default on, whether there's going to be a job. for you or not. You know, I would say beneath.

your car design exterior. lies a fairly incisive and. bitter critique of the society. I think and look around. I don't like liars. I don' like being lied to. And that goes culturally too. I don't either, I completely agree. So how, I. just have to be clear on this, how. if there. are other eccentric people out there. who would like one of these vehicles. that you've designed, how would they, would you be willing. to make them to order?

Yeah, I could do that. You have to think about the. structure of who wants to do what. You know, early adopters are usually. people that can afford something. It's going to cost more than 20. grand when you're building. something, but certainly that can be. done. I could make lower production. numbers and you could build. something and a bit of. a movement too from the ground up. will be cool to build it with. the gas tank sufficient to get coast. to coast or, you know, I'd be. It's very doable. And the other thing is, you know, I. like to do amateur race driving and. vintage racing. So I like make cars that are fast.

And for me, it's kind of fun the. idea to make things that get over. 100 miles a gallon that beat Dodge. Vipers and Corvettes and Teslas. You know, that's what we did back. when it was muscle. So how do people find you if like. if if you made it this far in the. interview I'm shocking. I'm shockingly easy to find. You are. It's perhaps a little scary. So maybe find a nice method rather. than I just look out the window one. day and go. So you're not giving. your home address. But not at this moment, but are you. open to kind of custom build? Of course I'm open to doing things. I mean, you know, I have a nice.

enough life. I have a wife, I've a. cute daughter, a nice neighborhood. and neighbors and toys to play with, but there's more to life than that. Can you find men. to work for you? Of course. Heck, I been mentoring college. students for the last decade plus. I can call up half of them. So I guess it gets to a larger. question, I mean, the trades are not. dead, correct? No, they're not dead and they're. vastly important right now. More people should be going into. them. I know. You wouldn't have all the student. debt. But in your life, if you. all of a sudden got an order for 15. of these vehicles, could you find.

the people necessary? Well, and even if there's something. that I don't know, I'm gonna find. it. Yes, like you make it happen. But you know, one man can't do. everything by themselves. You know, if you're building. something and nobody wants it, well, that's a problem. You need to build. something somebody wants. And if it requires a team of people. coming together, whether that's with. talents or resources or finances. to do it, then you find. a way. Do you think if you started doing. this the government would jump on.

you? It depends on how you do it. It is a game. And to be honest, when I look. at the car and what I've done with. that or with the educational. nonprofit or anything else in life, I look at how do I have the biggest. positive impact I possibly can? You know, and right now the biggest. impact with regard to the car is. talking about it. So people do know what's possible. So hopefully maybe they kind of. wake up for a second from the cell. phone, look around and think, that's a vastly important thing to.

do. So I think it has tremendous value. there. But I wanna build something. I'm an America first kind of guy. Why in the heck are we not building. these things here? Why? We should. I'll give you an example. I've been around the sun 43 times. in my life, right? When I was younger, and we were. working the little town golf course, that's the family business. And a lot of the guys that golfed. our golf course were. blue collar. Everybody there's largely working. class, old World War II vets, that.

sort of thing, right? Yeah, it's Toledo, yeah. Yeah, well, and that was even. Tiffen. But the point I'm making is, or if I'm like riding a motorcycle. around Toledo or something, I'm, like, nothing's changed. Nothing's changed in the last 50. years. There's people out here. They want to work. They want a job. They want community. But what's going on out there in the. world that doesn't allow people to. have that anymore? And that that's That's what. frankly ticks me off. And usually I get ticked off and. then I think and plan and do. something. Well, there's an instinctive hatred.

coming from our leaders for. those kind of people. I know. It's pretty obvious. I know Casey, I really appreciate. you taking all this time. Amazing. Thank you. I'm gonna order. a vehicle from you. I appreciate it. It'd be fun. Thank you.