Calley & Casey Means: How Big Pharma Keeps You Sick, and the Dark Truth About Ozempic and the Pill

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with Calley and Casey Means. Okay, so I actually think this book. is going to I never say this, but I. mean it. I think this book is going. to have a big effect on.

the course of the country. And the reason I think that, is because you two are the perfect. people to write it. And so I, I never do this, but I. just want to start with your bio. So your siblings kissing. Carly, your happened to have grown. up in the same neighborhood as me in. Washington. Like blocks from me. So I know the world that you're. from. You're writing about food, nutrition, the regulatory bodies. that are poisoning the country. You are a lobbyist, okay?

And you are a Stanford educated. physician. I just want to go through quickly. each one. And starting with you. You're a doctor? Yes. Tell us the progression of your. thinking on this and what it did. to your life. Yeah, absolutely. So trained at Stanford Medical. School, then became trained. as a head and neck. Surgeon, undergrad, Stanford. Undergrad, Stanford Medical School. at Stanford, then went on to train. and had a neck surgery nine years. into my post-graduate training. How did you do in medical school and.

college did? Well. I was president of my Stanford. class, you know, graduating. top of my class with honors in. medical school and. went on to a very competitive. surgical subspecialty. So I'm just saying, because normally. I'd dismiss credentials out of hand, but these are real credentials. And they they matter I think to your. credibility. Okay. And I did what every good little. medical student you know, wants to. do, which is climb the ranks of that. academic ladder. But, you know, you. can. You killed it. Did well, you know, and I went. and I got to the top of that. mountain, right.

Nine years into my postgraduate. training. And I looked around me and. I realized that, you know, patients. in America are getting destroyed. Children, adults, the elderly. You know, you're you're so distracted. in your little surgical subspecialty, focusing on the your nose and throat. where I was. And you get distracted, you look around at what's happening. Americans. And our health is getting. worse. Every single year. Patients in America are getting much. sicker. Every year, more depressed. We're getting infertile. And life expectancy is going down in. a country that's spending almost two.

weeks more than any other country in. the world. So before we get into the details. of what you did tell us, I. mean, why you. tell us what you did? So you spend your whole life working. toward this goal. You reach the top. and then you decide. not to do it. Yeah. You know, I'm in the operating. room in my fifth year of my surgical. residency, and I'm looking down at a. patient in front of me who's on our. third revision sinus surgery. And, you know, I know how to. diagnose her, I know it, I write the. prescriptions, I know how to do the. surgery. But what I kind of realized. in that moment was like, I have no. idea why this patient is actually.

sick. She has so many other health. issues pre-diabetes, arthritis. She's got some brain fog, she's got. obesity, and she's got this sinus. issue. And in my training, you. know, I was never, ever, ever taught. to look at the whole patient, to. look at how all these things are. connected. And I was only taught how to, you. know, do the surgery and then bill. for it. And I realized that there's. a huge, problem in. how we're practicing medicine right. now, which is what we're ignoring. the root causes of why Americans are. sick and we're profiting off. of patients getting sick and then. doing things to them. That's the way the business model of.

health care works. You know, the. most of the way that health care, which is the largest and fastest. growing industry in the United. States, makes money as you have more. patients in the system having more. things done to them for longer. periods of time. And when I kind of put some of these. pieces together and realize that my. training had totally, essentially incapacitated. me from really understanding why. patients are sick and, and. how to actually help them thrive. I actually had to walk away from the. surgical world, because I realized. that I was gonna be making money off. of essentially, not.

spending time helping patients. understand their health and actually. just profiting off their illness. So my nine years into medical. training at Stanford, you gave. it up voluntarily. I on my birthday, on 30th. birthday, I walked into the office. of my of the chair of the. department, and I put down the. scalpel and I walked away. And I devoted my life to why are. Americans getting sicker every year? Why are 50% of American. children dealing with a chronic. health issue? This was less than 1%. 50 years ago. Why is our health getting destroyed.

the more that we spend? So that's why did they say, when you. walk into your colleagues in. Stanford and say, I'm giving. it up at 30. You know, it wasn't really a. conversation. You know, I knew that I couldn't cut. into one more person until I. understood why Americans are getting. sicker every single year. I think that the unfortunate thing. is that doctors don't really. understand, because. every level of our education. is systematically. focused on blinding. us from thinking about root causes.

We are we have over 100 medical and. surgical subspecialties right now, and you know, how you make money in. the American health care system is. you take a patient with ten. different issues and you send them. to ten different specialists, put. them on ten different meds, maybe. eventually have ten different. surgeries. You never actually are taught. how to put the pieces together. Look at the whole body as a system, which of course it is. And part of this is because you. know, who are the people underwriting. our medical education? It's the pharmaceutical companies. You know, we are. we are taught how to be. very algorithmic and robotic and how.

we look at patients. And so ultimately, I left the. surgical world and I went down. the rabbit hole of asking, why? Why are we getting sicker? It's just such a radical move. Yeah. To do something like that. Yeah. I mean. Your whole life you're working. toward a goal, and then you give it. up. Yeah. After nine years. Yeah. You know, this is the thing. that was I understood. and that I am working and we are. spending our lives to evangelize. this book. Good energy. Is that the reasons why Americans. are getting sick, sicker every year. are very simple.

Americans want to. be healthy. Americans do not want. to die early. They do not want to see their kids. With all these chronic health issues. like autism and food allergies. and obesity and pre-diabetes, and. 40% of teens with mental health. issues, no one wants this. But the system is rigged against the. American patient to create diseases. and then profit off of them. This is happening across almost. every level of our major industries, from processed food to tech. to pharma. And so really, what.

what Americans need to understand is. that these trends can stop. immediately. We need to understand why we're. sick, which is our primarily our. toxic food system, and the ways that. systematically, several industries. are profiting off of our addiction. and illness. And if we can. understand that and create very. simple, top down. and bottom up strategies to address. it, Americans will become rapidly. healthier. And so as a physician, you know, I took an oath to. do no harm. And I took an oath to help. patients thrive. And so the way that we can do that.

is by helping to understand the. levers of, of, of corruption that are essentially. keeping us sick, I guess. Reason I'm pressing you, and you're the sort of person I. mean, this is a company clearance. I want to talk about yourself, which. is great. But I think it's relevant because it. speaks to the intensity. of your commitment and to your. sincerity. So you're giving up the. prize. You're giving up the money. because you really believe this? Yes. And I think it's I just want to. establish that at the outset. Thank you. We say anything more. So you're, her brother?

You're very close. I happen to know. that. And. And you're obviously proud of your. sister president, a class at. Stanford, the kind of thing like. Oh, my sister's at Stanford. She's Stanford medical school. She decides not to practice surgery. The most impressive of all. specialties. What's your reaction to that? I called her and said she was a. complete idiot, you know? I mean, we were raised in. Washington, D.C., right next to you. Kind of condition to climb up the. ladder. Of course. I went to Stanford. I went to. Harvard Business School. You know, that was what life is. about. Just kind of collecting those.

credentials. Casey, you know, research at the. NIH, as we talked about top. of her Stanford med school class, to. me, that was that was it. And truly a new head on this. She had. No, I mean, this is this is. her life. This was her identity. This is everything to her. And she bravely. stepped away with no plan, just. from a moral obligation. And I thought she was a complete. idiot. And what I know now. and what I've been radicalized on, is she has convinced me that this is. the most important issue in the.

country. It's an issue of. corruption, that starts. at Stanford med school being 50%. funded by pharma and not, training. doctors on one nutrition class. Stanford med school, Harvard med. School. 90% of med. schools don't offer or. require one nutrition class. Doctors simply aren't learning. why people are getting sick, which. would all assume they do. 80% of the course loads. In pharmacology, it's on how to. take people that are getting sicker. and sicker and manage those. conditions, not to cure them. And that's a huge problem, because.

that dynamic of the largest industry. in the country is destroying human. capital. So, as your sister. is on one end of the equation, you're on the other. So you both. have, you know, you're from. a, community of strivers. that's with different. Yeah, exactly. And, merit badge gatherers. And you've gotten two of the. greatest merit badges ever, right? HBS, Stanford Medical School. But you're all of a sudden finding. yourself in Washington. Can you just explain your background. a little bit? Yeah. So, just in case it was a bit. smarter than me on the biology. route, I wanted to be contributing.

to politics, from an. early age, and went to Stanford. to to go back into politics. I studied economics, political. science, went straight back to. campaigns after school. What I learned quickly is that that. in campaigns over, you work for the. biggest spenders in D.C.. And I found myself across the, the. desk from food industry and the farm. industry. The farm industry spends. five times more in DC than the oil. industry. By far the biggest spender. Bipartisan. You're working for. pharma, but starting with food. I learned early on that.

the food industry, this is my. contract. The food industry, and the processed food industry was. created by the cigaret industry. And I think this is very telling. It's something I learned. So in the 1990s, the two largest food companies in. the world were R.J. Reynolds and, Philip Morris. What happened is when the Surgeon. General, way too late in the 1980s, said cigarets were maybe. problematic. These were some of the largest. companies in the world with the. largest cash piles of any company in. the world. So they what they did is. they used their cash piles to buy. food companies.

You know, we think about the 80s as. the Wall Street era M&A, you know, a. lot of deals. The two biggest M&A. deals up until 1990 and world. history were cigaret companies. buying food companies. So you had in the 90s, these two cigaret companies very. strategically do two things. They shifted their thousands of. Tits, who were experts at making. cigarets addictive to the food. department. So we had the rise of. ultra processed food, where. our food now is a science. experiment. The second thing they did is they. shifted their lobbying to the.

cigaret industry, of course, was the. biggest, you know, lobbying spenders. and very had a good playbook. They shifted their playbook on. lobbying and rigging institutions of. trust to food. So they created the food pyramid. So the cigaret industry, through. the food and companies they bought, paid off the FDA, the USDA, Harvard to create. report saying sugar doesn't cause. obesity. And they lobbied for the. food pyramid in the 1990s. We all remember which said, you. know, animal based fats are bad, carbs are good. Remember, carbs and. sugar were basically the base of the.

pyramid. So the American diet, because of. that, because we trust our medical. institutions would say no. We shifted our diet significantly. to ultra processed food. It was very intentional. The food pyramid that was a ultra. processed food marketing document. that carbs, refined sugar was. fine and that shifted. And you look at dietary patterns. today, kids, a child diet. is 70% ultra processed. food. Now, what does that mean, right? Those are literally. foods invented by.

the cigaret industry to addict. kids. You know, obviously we've got sugar, but there's thousands of different. ingredients and science concoctions. that scientists work in a lab. to make it more palatable, to make. it more addictive. So food consumption, calorie. consumption has skyrocketed. And the byproduct of these toxic. ingredients that the cigaret. industry I watch and help with this. bought off the USDA. Bought off the FDA is they wreak. havoc among ourselves. The foundation of our diet is. ingredients that we aren't. biologically made eat that didn't.

exist 100 years ago. In the foundation of our diet is. three things. When you look at any. label, it's added sugar. Processed sugar, which basically. didn't exist 100 years ago, is just. from natural sources. Ultra processed grains, which were. invented 100 years ago. The processing tapes, the fiber off. They're basically hidden sugars. devoid of nutritional value and seed. oils. Seed oils are the top source. of American calories, and this. is actually the oil seed oil. Top source of American. Soybean oil canola oil. This is the baseline of American. Calories right now.

And these seed oils were. actually created by John D. Rockefeller as a byproduct. of oil production. It's basically engine lubricant. And the Rockefeller and. those aligned with them actually. lobbied to have this, suitable for human consumption. That's how cellulose came into the. American diet. They're much cheaper, but they're highly inflammatory and. just by definition, just at the. highest level. These ingredients. and all the chemicals we can't name. that are in ultra processed food are. not natural greens. There are bodies are made to handle.

So there's, as we talk about in good. energy, this produces a lot. of side effects to ourselves. The food industry isn't trying to. kill Americans. They're trying to make food cheap. and addictive. And what I learned, you know, in the morning, meeting with the. food companies, trying to lobby. and influence, the. USDA, being the lifeblood. of nutrition research, paying off, you know, nutrition researchers at. Harvard and Stanford as a junior. employee. Shocked by that. So you saw that? Oh, oh. My first week, you know,

as working for these industries. It was a list of top professors, and, the food industry. pays 11 times more. for foundational nutrition research. than the NIH. You go to any nutrition school in. the country, the lifeblood of their. school. They'll they'll proudly. admit this is from the processed. food industry. In the past two years, there has. been 50,000 peer reviewed. research studies on nutrition. We're the only animal that has peer. reviewed nutrition studies, and.

we're the only animals that are. systematically obese, diabetic, and being crippled by metabolic. dysfunction. We're born with an innate sense of. sense of knowing what's right for. us. The problem very strategically, and this is well known among the. industry, is that ultra processed. food does because they're able to. do this science experiment. Their food it hijacks are biology. It hijacks our society. So signals, you know, high fructose. corn sirup fructose. It makes us want to eat more. Because in the wild, you know, when. you see a bunch of fruit out there, you know, you're well advised to eat.

it. You know, historically, we. we've basically rigged our. biology to. hijack our signals that, you know, make us satiated. So that's what ultra processed food. does. So that's the food industry, okay? The food industry actually, with their own set interests, want. to make food addictive and cheaper. It kind of makes sense. The criminal devil's bargain. is that it's highly tied. to the health care industry and his. case. He said. The fastest growing. industry in America right now isn't. I.

It's not tech, it's health care. It's the largest and fastest growing. industry. And just as a statement of economic. fact, the best thing for. that industry is a child. getting sick. When a child gets sick or any. American gets sick with a chronic. condition with. Diabetes, obesity, kidney. disease, heart disease, whatever. They go on a lifetime medication, they go on the metformin, they go on. the stand, they have lifetime. treatments and they keep. racked up more co-morbidities. If you are diabetic, you have an.

average of four other comorbidities. So you keep racking up, but you. don't die. You just suffer. You inevitably get infertility, depression, you start racking. them up. So that's very good. for the medical system to have. these chronic conditions that need. to be managed. Just from a pure. economic standpoint, that's how the. system set up. That's all happening. largely because of our food system. and other metabolic habits we can. talk about, but largely because of. our rise of ultra processed food. that's really, really hacking our. cells and really hijacking our.

cells. The criminal part, the devil's. bargain, is that the health care. system you'd expect to be speaking. out about why we're getting so sick, but they're not only silent on the. reasons they're not to train Casey. The first day of Stanford med school. that were basically taken as a. given, that people are lazy and. going to get sick, we're just going. to profit from treating them. that they're silent and they're. complicit. Working for Coke I helped. steer money to the American. Coca-Cola. Yeah, working for. Coca-Cola. They actually pay money to the. American Diabetes Association.

They actually pay money to the. American Academy of Pediatrics. If there's one thing, the American. Diabetes Association, which sets the. standard of care for diabetes. management doing, they should be. saying, we're not going to accept. money from coke, which is diabetes. water. They accept money from coke. So there's that's. Like Tyson Chicken subsidizing. Peta, right. You know, it doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make sense. For 35 years, Liberty Safe. has been the number one manufacturer. of safes made in this country. American made from start. to finish.

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Okay. Thank you. So you work for Coca-Cola. You were at Stanford Medical. School, and both of you have. converged on. what I think is a kind of. evangelism. I say that as a. compliment. And this book is the result of that. What can you just give us the the. baseline condition of health in the. United States? Absolutely. So the word I used. earlier, destroyed is not. hyperbolic in any way, shape or. form. 74% of American. adults now are overweight. or obese.

Close to 50% of children are. overweight or obese. 120 years ago, when. someone was obese, there were case. reports written about it. Literally, there were people in the. circus. If if you had. Obese sideshow fat. Yeah, that's so unusual. It was so unusual. It is now 74%. of our country. 77% of young adults. are unfit to serve in the military. because of these issues, like. obesity. Now let's talk about diabetes 50%. A full 50% of American adults. have prediabetes or type two.

diabetes, which is a fundamental. issue in our country. Half the country, Tucker, have. prediabetes or type two diabetes, and 30% of teens. now have prediabetes. This was a condition that no. pediatrician would have seen in. their lifetime. 50 years ago, 1% of Americans. in 1950s in 1950. had type two diabetes. We have 18% of teens. with fatty liver disease, a disease. that used to be in late stage. alcoholics. Cancer rates are. skyrocketing in the young and. the elderly. Young adult cancers are up 79%,

and this is the first year in. American history we're estimated to. have over 2 million cases of. cancer. 25% of American. women are on an antidepressant. medication, 40%. of 18 year olds have a mental health. diagnosis. We have the highest. infant and maternal mortality rate. in the entire developed world. Despite sending two X on. infant maternal care than any other. country. So you have a higher. risk of dying as a woman giving. birth in America than any other.

developed country in the world. Autism rates in kids are. 1 in 36. nationally. This was 1 in. 1500 in the year 2000, and the screening has not changed. in California, where I live. And I just want to linger on that. And the screening has not. In 20 years, the definition hasn't. changed. No one in the. Two from 1 in. 1500 in California, 1 in 36 right now. It was 1 in 1500. In California, it's one inch 22. One of the worst states in the.

country for autism. So this is just. a matter of how. we and all of these conditions, I mean, and I could go on and on. Autoimmune diseases, infertility. is at peak rates. I mean, I don't know how this is not. front page news. Infertility is going up 1% per. year. Sperm counts are going down 1%. per year since the 1970s. Sperm counts are down. Continuing to drop. Continuing to drop.... At an increasing rate. Our bodies are crying out for. 26% of women have polycystic.

ovarian syndrome. Now, the thing that people need to. understand is that. all of these conditions are caused. or driven by the exact same. thing, which is metabolic. dysfunction. This core. foundational issue of how our. body on the cellular level function, which is driven by our toxic. food system and our toxic. environment, these subtle, insidious. forces that are creating. slow, progressive illness, starting. now in fetal life.

that allow patients to be profitable. and on the farm, a treadmill for. their entire lives. They make a sick, but they don't. kill us, and then we are drugged for. life. You look at what's happening. in children. A child born in a hospital. in the United States today, within. an hours of. coming from source into. this, you know, into this body. The first thing that happens to them. is pharmaceutical intervention. without really asking, you know, I. mean, there was barely informed. consent about this. That child's. eyes are smeared with your vitamins.

and ointment, and they're given a. hepatitis B vaccine in. their first day of life. And what are these two things for? I mean, I mention this because it's. just emblematic of how we were put. on the farm, a treadmill from the. moment we are born. in this country, for reasons that. are very strange. The erythromycin ointment is to. prevent infections of the eye, which we test women for chlamydia. So why would every baby United. States need this ointment if the mom. doesn't have it? And the happy vaccine is for. hepatitis B, which is a sexually.

transmitted disease and IV drug. user disease, of course, which. babies are not going to be exposed. to? And yet every single baby in America. is getting the intervention. So from the literally the day we are. born. Why? I mean, why not test the pregnant. mother for them? They do. Okay, so they give it to the women. who, even if they have tested. negative, which. Would be the overwhelming majority. Absolutely. So I don't understand, why would. you treat a child. on his first day of life for. illnesses? You know for a fact he. doesn't have it isn't going to get.

So this is what I saw working for. pharma. So let's let's get. out of the passion of this debate. and just talk about the economic. incentives. Let's take the happy, okay. There's actually no dynamic. in American capitalism like the. vaccine schedule, because the second. you get something on that schedule, the government's paying hundreds of. billions of dollars for a product. that's been mandated for every. single American living. So just for my I'm just speaking. again, not let's not even get into. the efficacy of vaccine. We're talking about an economy, talking math, working.

with the pharma industry. It's a huge economic imperative. to get more and more vaccines. on the schedule. You couldn't watch the Olympics. this past couple weeks ago without. seeing just ad after ad for. actually new vaccines. This is big business, right? Hundreds of billions of dollars. And again, once you get it approved, what happens? It's paid for forever going. And you have the most trusted. institutions in the world. calling anyone a war criminal for. even asking a question about it.

So this is well known by the. industry. And can I just say so we, this will appear on all kinds of. different social media platforms, but maybe the biggest is YouTube. owned by Google. And this they will censor. this. They will demonetize this. video. Just so far you have not attacked. a vaccine. No. But you are, showing evidence of some skepticism. of their efficacy or the need. for them. And YouTube will demonetize this. video for what you just said. If you're a Stanford educated. physician, but YouTube.

has decided you're not.... And I would do this. And I think. this is a such an important. conversation because I'd ask. everyone listening if they can still. listen to this is. why is YouTube? Why is the media, by the way, YouTube and the media. are heavily funded by pharma. Farm is the number one funder. of mainstream news media and one of. the largest funders. Just demonstrably, just factually, it's just a fact for YouTube ads. You can't watch a YouTube video. without saying format. And so just like that, their funding. and have a direct line. As we talked about this last time.

working for these industries, we paid tech companies. We paid media companies not even. to influence consumers, but to have. a direct line to them. It's part of the public affairs. strategy, right? We know that if we can fund. a large part of YouTube's ad budget, we have a direct line of. communication. Ation to those. companies. And then we have studies. from Harvard that we've paid for to. Saying that it's anti-science to say. anything that questions our. products, which we can jam down the. throats of the people that we now. have a direct line of communication. This direct line is not to. consumers.

That's of lesser concern. The direct line is to the media. companies. So you can affect. censorship. Just again, as an economic fact, you know, 80% of an age, grants have. a conflict of interest. There's very little conflict of. interest rules for academic studies. So the game is clear. You fund the academic studies and. you have the seal of Harvard, the. seal of the NIH, you know, saying. that these products, these. pharmaceutical products are perfect, and then you use those studies. to influence the tech companies. and the media companies that you've. also paid and have a direct line of. communication that there's.

misinformation. Let's get back to that. B but I just want to make one macro. point. It's the selective outrage. Why are we so. concerned about. talking about vaccines? Why is it such an impetus. from our trusted institutions. that you are a horrible parent? If you even ask a question about 72. shots to your kids? And why isn't that that level of. urgency around child nutrition? What childhood chronic disease. Or childhood chronic disease? Why is it, oh, we can't possibly.

expect parents not to load their. kids with a bunch of sugar and. all these toxic greens. And by the way, those people can't. afford whole food. It's it's actually racist in class. As Stephen suggests, people should. be able to afford organic. food. We we can't possibly expect. parents, you know, to have nontoxic. food. But oh, when it comes to. pharmaceutical interventions, there's no price to high. And if you don't follow it to a tee, you're a terrible person. Why is it when we have. nine out of ten killers, Americans.

are preventable lifestyle conditions. when 95% of medical. costs go towards reversible. chronic conditions that the case is. talking about, why isn't there that. urgency of the medical. community educating parents about. why people are getting sick, and. really the only vitriol, the. only thing that's being censored, the only thing that's being enforced. in the top down, is absolute. adherence to pharmaceutical. products. Why? During Covid, which was a metabolic. condition, you know, this was a this. was a disease that attacked weak. immune systems. This was a disease.

that only killed, people. that were overweight or metabolic is. functional. Americans died at a much. higher rate than European or. Asian countries. Why wasn't there the same. emphasis on hardening up our immune. systems and attacking the root cause. of that, and it was all the time was. running a pharmaceutical solution. This doesn't actually make sense, but it gets to the money. So working for the. pharma companies, there's just. nothing better than getting on the. vaccine schedule. And that should. not be a controversial comment, right? If you have a.

list of drugs that are mandated. for every single American to pay for. that government, you want to go on that. schedule. So I. Don't comment. It's it's not allowed. It's a verboten comment. You're not allowed to say that they. will demonetize this video for. what you just said. And I would ask, what does that tell. you? I would ask the media. companies and ask. YouTube to have the same. passion for child of chronic disease. and nutrition as they do for. enforcing unanimity on.

pharmaceutical injections for kids. So just I Amen. I agree more. It's infuriating. I it's worse than that. It's evil. again video just demonetized. Worth it. But let me ask you to the specifics. of the. Yeah. The shot. Yeah. That, I'm sure all. my children had it. And even knowing we had. It at it, you had it. To. What, is there a. I mean, just take the other side for. a second. Yeah. Like, is there a reason that.

we would do this? I push, I and I. welcome any doctored responses. I pushed leading medical experts on. this. I'm like, okay, so a child. born, let's just take the side. The child's born. happy is spread by two. routes sexually transmitted disease. or intravenous needles. So my one day old. isn't going to be having sex or. doing heroin right away. So what's the purpose of. getting this on. the schedule in the first day of. life? The first hours of life. And if you push and I welcome anyone.

to do this with their doctor, you. get to two things. You get to the American patients are. too stupid to remember, so we need. to do it right away. That's literally like what they say. And then my doctor told me that the, child at daycare could trip over. a needle that has hepatitis B on it. That's literally what they get to. that a needle could be on the. playground. That somebody just did heroin or. something. Throw the needle down. It has hepatitis B blood on it. I asked the doctor, has there ever. been in human history a case of. hepatitis B being transferred that. way? They said no, it's only. through intravenous needles and sex.

So you actually to just to steal. man this and again welcome any to. respond. There's not actually a scenario. absent of intravenous needles or sex. that a person gets hepatitis. B. There is not a reason. for this to be given. But it happened and I saw this. It was a huge investment for this. vaccine. It was a huge, huge economic. problem. And this shouldn't be. controversial. Think about being at. these drug companies. You want the drug given out when. you've made the investment.

So they're able to work with their. buddies at the FDA. They're you able to use the studies. They're able to. There's this. constant feeling in the. medical community. The American. people are too stupid to ask a. question, are too stupid to remember. to take these important drugs. So there's this argument and. momentum to get on the scheduled day. one. But there's no there's not. actually a medical. And so we haven't even discussed. I mean, I think you have proven the. point that there's no good reason. The flip side is, are there. good reasons not to take it? So let me just ask you, as a. physician and a woman of.

childbearing age, what's your view? I mean, there's not a single. medication that exists that. doesn't have side effects. And where there's not some, you. know, range of things. that can happen when you inject. something in the body. And for the. happy vaccine in particular, I mean, the two of the handful. of inactive ingredients are. formaldehyde and aluminum, which is a neurotoxin. And of course, they'll say like over. the body weight of the baby, it's. negligible, whatever. But when you're getting several. shots at one time, these things make. a difference. You know, our bodies. are overwhelmed right now with the. amount of toxic inputs that.

are going in, and they're breaking. our bodies. Right. And so, you know, if. it's not necessary for the vast. majority of kids to have this at. birth, and you could give it to them. when they reach teenage years, right? And they're much bigger and. their bodies can handle more of. these, you know, these chemicals. and, and toxins that are in these. shots. Then you have to ask. yourself, why are we exposing the. whole population to potential risk. that any pharmaceutical medication. will have a risk of side effects. if it's not necessary? And that's a question that I think. every parent should be able.

to to ask, you know, but, you know, like Carly talks. about, you follow the money. It's it's it's pretty sinister. I mean, you look at the American. kind of pediatrics and like who are. their main funders? Me Johnson who makes formula the. company that makes influenza. vaccines. Abbott Nutrition, which makes. formula. You know, these people are. funding the organization that. picks cherry picks the research. to make our pediatric guidelines. Okay. So there's hundreds of. thousands of papers that are. published every year about the. importance of nutrition and exercise.

and sleep and avoiding pesticides. and avoiding plastics in our foods. Just tens of thousands of papers. every single year. But what goes into the guidelines, which are created by professional. organizations like the American. Diabetes Association, the American. Heart of Pediatrics, who are funded. by things like processed. food companies, pharmaceutical. companies. And then, of course, in the case of. the Ada, people like Coca-Cola and. Cadbury. So, you know, people will. always say. Cadbury, the chocolate. Funded millions. Funded billions for. the American Diabetes Association.

So come. On. Absolutely. This is this is just. I just want to say, because I don't. want to ever sound judgy or pretend. that I have good eating habits. because demonstrably I don't. They make great chocolate bar. They've dough, they're awesome. But but. They should be probably influencing. our diabetes guidelines, right? I mean, is that. You're sure that's true? I am, I am certain that is true. We could. We could. All. Anheuser-Busch shouldn't be. funding, you know, Alcoholics. Anonymous. It's just like. It's just like, I don't. These. companies should. Exist. But you know what? We we we follow. this health cult of evidence based.

medicine, right? Which is that we. follow the guidelines. But the guidelines cherry pick. research from the canon. of scientific literature is out. there. Which is why when I was in. medical school, there were just huge. swaths of the science that I wasn't. seeing. But so can I ask you a very. fundamental question why would we. follow the guidelines rather than. the outcomes? It's a great question. So you just said at the. five minutes ago, you were outlining. this terrifying. and sad and catastrophic. series of stats.

describing the total collapse of. public health. That's right. And so who cares what the guidelines. are? Doesn't anyone just sort of. zoom out for a second and be like, all these kids have diabetes, which. leads to dementia, like this? Is it this not working right? No one say that. Well, that's I mean, the question. it's not working is the question I. would basically put in front of. every doctor in America, like if. you're not looking around you and. just scratching your head and. saying, what the hell is going on, then you are profiting off of this. crisis, you know? And I want every single the most. dangerous thing you can do in America.

right now, obviously, is ask the. question why? So, you know, I. understand. About. Anything, about anything. But, you know, this. is just a point to kind of answer. your question about why is this. happening? Why aren't we following. outcomes? It's institutionalized. to not actually focus on. Outcomes because the business. model of the health care system. is volume, it's how many patients. can you see, not what their outcomes. are. We are paid for volume, not. outcomes. Now, should you see that as. a surgeon? I'm going. Yeah.

So absolutely I mean it's it's. it's how many chart notes can. you write. And Bill every day. That's why doctors are seeing 30 to. 40 patients a day with 15. different diagnoses for each one. Obviously you can't help that. patient thrive and get healthier. All you can do is write the. prescription, because we are paid. for volume. And the actual mantra. of all. Doctors must. Know that all doctors know. The unofficial mantra of private. practice medicine is you eat what. you kill, which means you get. paid. You eat for how much volume. you can do, how many surgeries you. can sell, how many people you can.

get through in and out of your. office. Now, back. in, when Obamacare was coming about, they were, you know, which was really an utter failure. There was lip service that was paid. to this idea of value based care. Okay. Which sounds great on paper, right? So value is good outcomes. over lower cost. This sounds great. We'll get paid. more as doctors if we have better. outcomes over lower cost. What is the highest value. intervention you can do for a. patient? Get them to eat healthy. Doesn't cost a lot. Has incredible outcomes universally. right? Going into sleep, going into. exercise, we would have moved.

towards that. But even that was. corrupted by corporate interests. because how the doctor had. to report on quality was. through these metrics called MIPs, basically, you know, merit based. incentive, little criteria. And they were most of them were. based on how many of their patients. were medicated. So instead of a doctor having to. report quality, as I have a patient. who got better, who got. healthier, which. We expect. Was how much of the patient. population was on long. term medication. So the actual good outcome.

was defined by medication adherence. in a practice rather than. is the patient reverse. of their disease. Every disease I so. it. Wasn't the-. Actual it wasn't the outcome. The outcome ended up being how many. of the patients took meds. So even with lip service to. good outcomes, it's not a healthier. cell. It's a medicated patient. Those are two different things. We did not learn that in medical. What can I ask you? I mean, again, I don't want to get. too personal, but. like, what about the doctors. that you were trained with or served. under? Who trained you?

I'm sure a lot of them are good. people. I know all the smart. Yes. Like the things that you're. describing would be pretty. easy for anyone with an IQ over 80. to notice, right? They not notice this. Like what is that? There's several aspects to it. You know, I think that because. med school is funded by far by you. know, when I was at Stanford Medical. School, we got a $3 million. grant from Pfizer to revise our. curriculum with. And you can look up the articles. from this time. It was around 2011 that. the the grant was with no strings.

attached. They had no control over. what the curriculum developed was. going to be. But, you know, if. you're accepting $3 million from. Pfizer, of course it's going to have. an influence on what we're learning. And the dean received consulting. payments as well, actually. Yeah. The the dean during her. time, Philip Pizzo was a pain. specialist. Pfizer was the one of the largest. opioid makers. And, he received direct. consulting payments from opioid. makers. And that year. that they received that Pfizer. grant, he was appointed, which. I was actually involved with, was.

working for pharma at the time to an. NIH panel to make opioid, guidance with the with the. burgeoning crisis. He selected that panel. How can you have a more prestigious. person, the dean of Stanford med. School, nine out of the 19. people he selected were directly. paid for with consulting payments. from opioid companies. And that panel in 2000, in 2012. recommended more relaxed opioid. standards and said that the idea. of addictiveness was overblown. and led to an increase.

of the curve in opioid deaths. And, you know, we're talking a lot. about the opioid crisis right now. J.D. Vance talking about it. It's just, you know, destroying. Appalachia and large parts of. American America. What people don't, I think, realize. was that the majority of opioid. overdose deaths started with illegal. prescription. That's right. So that's how it works. So I was actually I think. It's sort of hard to hear that. And not again, one doesn't want. to be judgmental. However, that seems like criminal. behavior to me. Here's something you may not have. known. Back in 2015,

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education is just targeted towards. having you just have one hammer. Right. You have one hammer which is. your prescription pad in your. surgery. You don't have any other. tools in your toolbox, right? Because from the very beginning, from the very way that we're even. taught about the body, it has been. corrupted, right? It has been. It's rotten. It's rotten the way that we're it's. wrong biologically how we're. thinking about the body. But you. even look at the med school, you can. you tell. Us really quick how. Well, in the sense that we don't. learn anything, they're not 80%. medical, so don't have a single. class on nutrition. And yet food is the cause of nine.

out of ten leading causes of death. in the United States. So you were saying, but even to zoom. out a little further, you were. saying at breakfast, you put it so. well, of course, I can't remember. because you were saying that. medical education disconnects. the body into its components, but. doesn't address it as a, as a. connected thing. So this is the point that's going to. potentially create insolvency in our. economy and ruin us as a species. Is this exact point. It's it's. Not that the stakes are high. Is that we have convinced. people and doctors at the body is. 100 separate parts.

The body is one system, one unified. system. Obviously something. happening your toe can affect. everywhere else in the body. And yet we have essentially. brainwashed people and doctors. to believe that specialization. is king, right? What is the most prestigious doctor? Right. It's someone who is hyper sub. specialized. We basically diminish. the value of primary care in. pediatrics, these general. specialties. Yet someone who's a. neuropathologist is like. at the peak of those, it's. literally someone who did my. residency. So five years have had a.

neck surgery residency and then two, two additional years just focusing. on two square inches of the. ear to focus on the. ear, basically, and do surgery of. the ear. That is the dean of. Stanford right now, the dean of. Stanford Medical School is a. neurobiologist. So the more specialized you get, the. more prestigious you get. And what this does is it creates. a system in which we actually start. to see the body as 100 different, separate parts, and we lose sight of. how all of these things are. connected. We lose sight of the. research that's telling us how all. these diseases are connected, that.

the diabetes that's happening all. your body, all of your body. Actually, we know that type two. diabetes greatly increases our risk. for hearing loss. But a neurologist doesn't really. want to think about that. They want. to operate on the ear. Right. And so you lose. sight of the connections and. you get a patient in 15. different specialist office. So many Americans are going through. this right now where you go to the. primary care doctor with ten issues. and you end up with ten different. referrals to different specialists, and no one has any education, time or financial incentive. to think about how all those.

diseases are related. So what you do is you have. specialists reacting. to the same, the symptoms happening. in different parts of the body, rather than anyone understanding. how to think about how it's all. connected, which when you go down. that road, when you start asking. why, you realized it is extremely, extremely simple, that all aspects. of modern American society are. rigged against the American patient. to get us, you know, addicted to. food, allegiant to. pharma, and just spending.

ten hours a day on our phones. addicted. And now we are all sick, our bodies. are breaking, and it's leading to. all these organs, specific. symptoms that are related to a very. simple root cause. Can I press you just a tiny. bit? Sure. I hate this, I know this. Why did you come to. that conclusion and none. of your colleagues did? I just I think it's really. important. Yeah. To understand why. certain people see obvious truths. while everyone else is, including. smart people are blinded to them. What about you allowed you.

to connect these pretty obvious. dots? Parenting. How? What did your parents do? My parents, our parents. focused on incentives. Incentives are everything. Incentives are why Americans are. sick right now. If we change the. incentives, we'd get healthy in two. years. Our country would be the most. competitive country in the world. My parents incentive in. our family was to ask questions, not to. have any stars or marks or. anything, you know? So what was celebrated in our family. was sitting down at the at the.

dinner table in D.C. and asking questions and. poking at ideas. We were celebrated for thinking. about things in a bigger picture. That is not. You talked about this with Tim. Dillon on your recent podcast, The. Boomers. You know, they just want. the stars for their kids, you know, to just to get all these little. badges. But that was not what was. celebrated. My father. We developed our own compulsion to. climb up the ladder, but it was. always instilled like, you never. Never think of yourself. Actually, like our parents were that. happy with rising up.

And it was like, why are we being. good? People ask. And that was. really instilled in us. Did they have a like a moral. or explicit moral center? Like this is right. I think they were very spiritual. people. Yeah. We were raised with spirituality. We were reading, you know, sacred. texts and the Bible. and Rumi and and Rand. and all these different things from. a young age, discussing it at the. dinner table, thinking about. philosophy. And so that was what was celebrated. They were not conformists. When I quit my surgical residency. in my fifth and final year, after.

hundreds of thousands of dollars, yeah. My education, my parents threw. me a party. They were asking where I am. They came and no apparent would do. that. No parent, they they were and they. never told me to quit. Hundreds of. Thousands of. Solutely. They were so proud of me. for coming to my own conclusions and. seeing it. And I there's a lot of. Even though so the incentive for. parents in recent DC, where I raised. my children is to tell. people in your neighborhood, your. friends, oh yeah, that you have a. daughter who's a Stanford. They never pushed us to go to.

Stanford. They never pushed us to. even they never. I never once ever in our entire. childhood, they said, you need to go to your college. counseling meeting ever, ever. They were about having fun and. thinking we were, you know, they. were they were older parents, too. You know, my parents were in their. 40s when they had us. They lived life. They were not. living through us. They were spiritually grounded. They're not afraid of death. You know, they don't they aren't. driven by the materialism. that just makes you rack. up a wall full of, you know, Awards. It was about.

You're making me emotional. Yeah. So that is the reason. That is the reason. And and I mean, there's privilege. involved in it too. Of course. Like, we had financial backstop. You know, a lot of my friends going. to medicine, they were supporting. their families. Right. And I have so much respect for that. And the fact that people's options. are limited. But doctors are in a. trap. You know, it's $500,000. of education. You have this guaranteed salary, and. all you have to do is drink the. Kool-Aid. All you have to do is stay. heads down and not ask questions, not ask why. And you can really feel.

good about your work, right? People are sick as hell in this. country, and we do need people to be. doing heart surgery or else people. will die. But the the. thing that is so. imperative for people to understand. is that the reasons we're having. surgery, the reasons why. we're getting sick, the reasons why. American competitiveness. is plummeting, the reasons why our. kids are chronically ill. Half of the kids in America are. chronically ill, are all from. preventable issues. So if you're a doctor who's not. spending any time on focusing on. that, then unfortunately,

for better or worse, you are. bankrolling on the problem. Do you remember when you. I honestly think you're going to. change the world. I mean that. I mean that thank you, thank you. Just have to say that. thank you. Thank you for having us here. Oh. So suit your description. of your parents is. It brings me to tears. Oh, my. Gosh, I cannot wait to have. children. There is no greater role. There is no greater role in this. world. And, you know, I was sold. such a bill of lies, like climb the. corporate, you know, climb the. medical ladder, become the chair of.

an institution. I can think of no greater thing that. we can do than have children. and keep them healthy. Yeah, right. And I just, you know, up until a couple years ago, I don't. even want to have children cause I. thought I was a liability to this, to this value system of just, like, rise the ranks, you know, make. money. But I don't think there's. anything more important we could be. doing than creating healthy children. who are thinking for themselves, who. are eating healthy food. And I cannot wait for that role. And I think it's a spiritual. corruption of our society right now. that we have forgotten that this is. the most important thing that. we can do. You know,

it's it's it's unbelievable how. far off we are. And I think it is. deeply a spiritual crisis because we. have lost sight of what really. matters, in our, in our lives. And you are singing my song and much. better than I ever could. So that is. Sorry. So completely carried away. Oh. So I guess now is the time, since. we're talking about your parents, tell us. And your brother and I, I've talked. about this at some length. I know this is painful, but about. your mother, her illness, how that. affected your.

What you're doing now. Our mother was our best friend. This book is dedicated to her. And, you know, I think my mom, she's sort of the archetypal. American patient, you know, and, she's someone who was totally. faithful to the American healthcare. system and, like so many other. Americans, was ultimately completely. let down by it. You know, she passed away far too. early. After 40 years. of completely missed warning signs. of the root causes of all the. different symptoms and conditions.

she was racking up. So, you know, she had me when she. was 40. I was a humongous baby born. And Sibley Hospital. I was almost 12 pounds. Carly was almost 12 pounds. And that's a huge baby. And, you know, that's actually a. term for a baby over 8.5 pounds, which is fetal marker someo, which. portends metabolic issues in a. mother and metabolic issues in the. baby. And I had them. I was 210 pounds by the time I was. in eighth grade, you know, and my. mom had trouble losing the baby. weight, had a very tough menopause. in our 60s, got all the American. diagnoses, high cholesterol. They gave her Stanton high blood.

pressure, they Renaissance Lipitor, high blood sugar, they metformin. Oh, this is normal. It's a rite of passage. You know every American's getting. these diseases. So she went to all. the specialists. She went to the. cardiologist nanotechnologies. Her primary care doctor got all. these medications. And then, you. know, she's 72 years old, doing everything the doctors are. telling you to do, taking the pills. every single day. And she gets a. diagnosis of, she has some. shed, some belly pain one. day, went to the doctor. It lasted for a few weeks. She got a CT scan stage for widely. metastatic pancreatic cancer. She was dead 13 days later.

And she was seen at the best. hospitals in the in the country. You know, she was seen it. She was taking executive physicals. at Mayo. She was being seen at. Stanford and Palo Alto Medical. Foundation. And they looked at us in. the eye, and they looked at us after. her death and said, oh my God, this is so unlucky. And I knew enough at that time to. know there was nothing unlucky about. this. This was an entirely. predictable sequence of. events from the age of 40. to the age of 72. She had, as you suggested, I think, every possible advantage, like clearly high functioning.

person who followed the guidance, had the means to do it, had. a daughter with you, specialty. knowledge, a physician daughter. So like she had. every possible. Advance, did every single thing they. said, and died at 72, in the prime of her life, from conditions that were on. the exact same spectrum. So these can every condition I. mentioned in earlier in this episode. and every condition she had her on. this metabolic disease. So you believe so pancreatic cancer. specifically if my memory serves.

and I think it does was. kind of an unusual it was always. famously dangerous, deadly. rocketing. I have noticed like all of a sudden. people, you know. What are the risk factors? Obesity, diabetes, smoking. It is fundamentally a. lifestyle disease, pancreatic. why it is going up. So is breast cancer. Breast cancer I mean breast cancer. is now 1 in 8 women. You know this is an estrogen often. And as. Foodborne illness. Estrogen driving cancer. Well where are these extra estrogens. coming from.

Oh Maybe it's. the 6 billion pounds. of pesticides that are being. invisibly sprayed on all of our food. and poisoning it. And what are these pesticides doing? They're estrogen receptor agonist. Interesting being sold to us. from China and from. Germany. You know, which they're not using in. their food. They're illegal. What does that what does that mean? I'm sorry. I just want to make sure the science. is clear. I don't I don't really. understand it. It's the effects of. these chemicals on food. is what. So the the ostensibly.

these these chemicals are being used. 6 billion pounds globally per. year because of pest control. They're also being used on our. children's parks and golf courses. and all over the place. They're invisible, they're. tasteless, and they are directly. toxic to our cellular biology. So they're pesticide side. is the word for the act of killing. So herbicides and such sites. fungicides. And they are so toxic that 20%. of all suicides globally. are performed by drinking. pesticides. And yet we're told by our government. that they're totally safe.

There's this, this all this will. shock you. But you look at so, you know, the largest merger. ever done in Germany was Bayer. Monsanto, where Bayer. which is a pharmaceutical company. merged with Monsanto, which is an. agrochemical company, United States. If you look at what, Bayer. makes, they make cancer drugs. for things like non-Hodgkin's. lymphoma. And if you look at what Monsanto. makes, which is roundup, which is. the most widely used pesticide in.

America, the cancer that it, causes is non-Hodgkin's lymphoma. They paid out $11 billion. in the past couple years for. non-Hodgkin's lymphoma cases. So the companies are emerging that. are directly known to cause. the disease with a medical company. that has a treatment for the disease. like this is very, very dark. And, so, like Carly. said, you know, it's kind of this. revolving door, between create. the illness, treat the illness, and. hide the science that tells us. what's happening.

But but this is all result of. The food industry wanted food. cheaper, and we spend. per capita half as much. on food as as they do in Europe. But we spend three times more per. capita on health care. So I would my big. point to everyone is this is not the. free market at work. This is food companies lobbying. to have neurotoxins and. endocrine disrupting chemicals on. our food that are toxic, that. aren't allowed on any other food and. any other developed country in. order to make food a lot cheaper.

And then to your point about, you. know, what does the, what do these. chemicals do? It increases estrogen. And, you know, these kids. are inhaling. hormone disrupting chemicals. So and now. The New York Times recently had. a front page article, that puberty. rates are particularly among women. in the United States are plummeting. People are hitting puberty younger. years earlier, younger. girls. And the. Average girl in America. is getting hitting puberty, which is.

sexual maturity, six. years earlier than they were in. 1900. We have the earliest puberty rates. of any continent in the world. It's age ten. And 10 to 13. And this is in large. part thought to do because of. we are literally giving children. estrogen with all the. plastics we're ingesting, which are. ZnO estrogens, meaning. they are exogenous artificial. estrogens, and the pesticides. which can activate the acid.

receptors like atrazine. I mean, you can put atrazine, which is a pesticide that we spray, about 70 million. pounds of in the US. every year. It's not legal in Europe, but it's. sold to us from international. countries. Legal in Europe. No, you cannot use it. And you put this on a. developing male frog. embryo and it turns into a female. frog. That's how much of an estrogen. disrupting an estrogen or an. endocrine disrupting chemical that. it is.

And so these chemicals are not. inert. And again, because we can cherry. pick science and so much of these. science I mean, these papers. are PR papers paid. for by industry. The Monsanto papers was a huge. thing that, you know, a revelation. They had to declassify these. documents that Monsanto had. basically ghostwritten scientific. papers to say that these chemicals. are safe. We can ask an obvious question. So, the incidence. of transgenderism or whatever we're. calling it, have, you know,

but Sky, I mean, skyrocket. thousands of percent increase in the. last ten years. And there are many threads to this. is partly a political movement, social movement. But you sort of. wonder if it's not also a biological. response to these. chemicals. Is that I'll say I'll say. this just as a demonstrable fact. Our child environment. is, to an unprecedented. degree, full of hormone disrupting. chemicals. The assault on a child's cells. and hormones is unrelenting.

right now. Unrelenting. And their bodies are small. They can't handle it, you know? So you take a child and you put them. on a screen. For the average kid is using a. screen seven hours a day. Okay. And so this is hitting their. dopamine. So that's one input you've. got. We're eating a credit card's worth. of plastic per week. Right. And these are hormone. disrupting chemicals. All of our food. Is eating plastic in. that volume. Well the plastic well plastics. are in everything now. They're in. our air. There are nanoparticles of. plastic in the air we're breathing.

They're on our water. They're covering every piece of food. that we buy in the grocery store. You go to Europe, all the vegetables. are just, you know, they're just in. these free markets. You know, they're not packaged in. the U.S. you go to Trader Joe's, every single piece of food is. covered in plastic. That's you've. got the plastic water bottles. Every single can that we drink in. the United States is lying with a. plastic coating. Every single one. It's all getting in. And this can actually directly. disrupt our mitochondrial function, which is the metabolic machinery of. the cell. So microplastics actually. can disrupt the way we make energy. in the body.

And we know that metabolic issues. are the root cause of every chronic. illness facing Americans today. You can't make this up, you know? And then you have the. you have the there's many effects of. these things. But endocrine disrupting. and mitochondrial disruption are two. of the really big ones. Then you've got the kids eating 70%. of their calories that a child is. eating today is from a factory, industrially manufactured, ultra. processed foods. We know that these foods are. destroying our cellular biology. So it's really, you know, and with.

school start times, kids are not. getting enough sleep. So across. sleep, across movement, you know, the average kid is spending less. time outdoors than a prisoner in. America right now. Like kids are not going outside. We're not getting the sunshine. Our circadian rhythms are destroyed. So every level of society, public school start times are. disrupting our food, our nutrients, our sleep, our stress. and dopamine, our movement. patterns and our toxins. And we are destroyed. We are getting destroyed. And this is the invisible hand. And we just have to understand this.

When we're thinking about health. care policy, there's nothing. more powerful than a sick child, as. I said, or really hijacking a kid's. dopamine, right? Think about the trillions of dollars. that are generated from a child's. double whammy and being hacked. Being on that phone all day, you. know, it's neither good nor bad. necessarily. It's just an economic. fact. There's a huge incentive for. that kid to be, you know, their. chronic stress to be just triggered. nonstop on that phone. There's huge profit for a child. to be addicted to ultra processed. food and continuing to demand from. their parents that food, you know, there's huge addictive, there's huge.

incentive for a child to be sick and. getting on the stands, which are. doubled, and prescription rates in. high schools in the past ten years, to get on the accessories that are. now handed out like candy in high. schools, to get on the metformin, you know, to get on the epic, which. is now being recommended. They're pushing for six years old. enough for if your child is. overweight. Lifetime prescription is. epic. That's very profitable. So so you have basically the. free market at work. I think capitalism, the greatest. invention in human history, but just. looking agnostic.

at the incentives. It's as many pills as we can give. that kid as much. We can keep that kid in fear. As much as we can keep that kid sick. without dying right away. That's what's fueling the largest. industries in. A country. Most of us, well, actually all of. us, go through our daily lives using. all sorts of quote free technology. without paying attention to why. it's, quote free. Who's paying for this and how? Think about it from it. Think about your free email account, the free messenger system used. to chat with your friends, the free.

weather, weather app or game. app you open up and never think. about. It's all free. But is it? No, it's not free. These companies are developing. expensive products and just giving. him to you because they love you. They're doing it because their. programs take all your information. They hoover up your data, private. personal data, and sell it. to data brokers and the government. and all of those people who are not. your friends are very interested in. manipulating you and your personal,

political and financial decisions. It's scary as hell. And it's happening out in the open. without anybody saying anything. about it. This is a huge problem. And we've been talking about this. problem to our friend Erik Prince. for years. Someone needs to fix. this. And he and his partners have. And now we're partners with them and. their company is called unplugged. It's not a software company. It's a hardware company. They actually make a phone. The phone is called unplugged, and it's more than that. The purpose of the phone is to.

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thought, well, that's never going to. be popular, because that's kind of. terrifying. I was wrong, as usual. And now it is ubiquitous. Kids are taking it. College students are taking it. As a physician, what do you what's. your your view of ozempic? I think it's very dark. I think it's. It's a stranglehold on the US. population. Almost like solidifying. this idea that there. is a magic pill. I mean, literally, the book by. Johann Ari is called Magic Pill. And convincing.

us that, you know, salvation from. our chronic health issues is going. to be found in a shot when we are. living in a toxic stew that's. destroying our cellular biology. You know, it's, of course, for. certain patients, taking GLP one. agonist is going to be helpful for. their conditions. It might jumpstart. their their way to getting back to. Is that the name of the active drug. GLP one agonist. Yeah. So GLP one. Sorry not not fluent in this. No no it's it's that's what the. medications are. And so they're. basically stimulating a hormone. that's made in our digestive system. that cues satiety and does many. other things.

And so. Satiety is making. Us feel full, full making us, you. know, and and what's so interesting, you know, like we are like Kelley. said earlier, like, we are the only. species in the. world that has an obesity and. chronic disease epidemic, the only. species in the world that has a. chronic disease and obesity. epidemic because. of ultra processed food. You think about every other animal. in the wild. They're eating real. natural foods except for. domesticated animals, which are also. getting chronic diseases just like. humans because they're eating our. food. But every other animal,

they're able to regulate their. satiety. They're not eating. themselves to death like we are. We're literally eating ourselves to. death. The reason is because these. foods, like Caylee talked about with. the cigaret companies and the. scientists moving to create. addictive processed foods, they are. designed to subvert. our satiety mechanisms like GLP. one secretion, so that we never know. that we're full. But if we were eating whole real. food, we would cue the exquisite. satiety mechanisms in our bodies and. we would not overeat. If you're if you're eating real, whole, unprocessed, nutrient rich. foods, we have receptors.

in our gut that make us feel full. It's not you almost if you eat. just protein, which is hard. You can't overeat. You cannot. No, that's right. I can't eat too much steak. It's not even. And think about this. You know, it's incredible. if you can convince people that. that that this is not true, you. know, and defy the entire. animal kingdom. What's happening. with other animal? This could be on track. to be the most profitable medication. ever in human history. It will be if the powers that.

be let it. And what the unfortunate part. is that it doesn't take our bodies. out of the toxic stew that's. crushing our biology. Yes, we may melt some fat, but we're really we're essentially. creating starvation to melt fat. and muscle without changing any. of the other levers that we just. talked about that are crushing our. biology. So this is not. the public health solution. You look at what's happening, though. Do you think there are potential. downsides to it? I mean, there's every medication. has downsides and. this one has well-known side. effects. It disproportionally causes.

us to lose muscle mass, which. creates frailty, which is one of the. things that can cause old people in. all age have very poor quality of. life and early death. It has a higher rate of thyroid. cancer. It has risks. on the label of kidney dysfunction, of pancreatitis, of all sorts of things. Every medication have side effects. So if we're going to mass prescribe. this. So there's a bill right now. in Congress, H.R. 41 eight, which is the. Treat and Reduce Obesity Act. And, you know, you look. at this and you think, oh, this is.

great. The government's focusing. more on obesity. And this is awesome. There's one line that all that. matters in that, which is that they. want to expand Medicare access. to include coverage for. these Medicaid for obesity. medications, which are these drugs. for people that include overweight. and obese. That is 74% of the American. population. If this bill goes. through and everyone. who is eligible for this drug. gets it paid by taxpayers, that will represent over $3. trillion per year in.

drugs to the American people, without changing any of the root. causes of what is making us sick. And to add insult to injury, this will be taxpayer money being. largely funneled to Europe. Who makes the drug? So people need. Which they don't prescribe, and it's. ten times less expensive and it's. not the standard of care. And in Norway when. you are obese, there's that was. made. Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah. There's a step ladder and you. get the keto diet and exercise. incentives from the government in. the country. That makes us epic.

And the American Academy of. Pediatrics, in their most recent. obesity guidelines, are recommending. these drugs for kids as young as 12. And pushing for six. This is a lifelong medication. at the cost about $1,500 a month, with many side effects that does not. cause. That does not change any of. the root causes. Issues that are. toxic fying literally destroying. our brains and body. Can I can I ask? I mean, I as you've said three. times and I hope you'll say it three. more. Every drug has side effects. But they seem. like intentionally downplayed.

in a lot of cases. I have no I mean will, most famously. with certain Covid related. medicines, but, but there are others. where they just don't really want to. talk about. Doctors don't even want to talk. about the potential side effects. Why is that? Because if you have an obese. patient. Weird. Okay, let me just paint the picture. They're pushing for six. Obese or overweight. Six years old. Yeah. So we have obviously. an obesity crisis among six year. olds right now in the country in.

Japan. The child obesity rate. is 3% in. the United States, 50%. is. Unique to. America, and 50% of teens are. overweight or obese. So let's just look at that, right. We're clearly just force feeding. into our children toxic. food that's causing this massive. issue. And now any parent watching. particularly lower income because. this bill is pushing for Medicaid. So if you're a lower income. So why are they lobbying. Why is this why is this company. in Scandinavia, one of the five. largest lobbying spenders in.

America, and pushing so hard. for this? And why is the stock so high. And it's the 12th most valuable. company in the world. They're expecting 80 to 90%. of the profits from the United. States from the government. By rigging institution. What institution are pharma. companies rigging? They're actually. rigging Medicaid. They're actually profiting off poor. people. Medicaid is spending. more on mitochondrial dysfunction. than the entire U.S. defense budget. and growing much faster. Right. This is a. Mitochondrial.

Various. Metabolic. Metabolic. Issues. For cellular dis. Vibes, we're spending on on. Medicaid, more on preventable. metabolic chronic conditions than. the defense budget. And Medicaid is one of the fastest. growing items in the budget. That's all rigged by pharma as. a piggybank. So this bill, if. you put ozempic on that schedule, then any lower income six year. old, the doctor can say, I've got Harvard studies here saying. that obesity is genetic. It's not your child's fault. Let's get them a lifetime jabs.

If it's genetic, why didn't exist. 100 years ago? Good question. But Harvard and. the NIH and the American Academy of. Pediatrics are saying it's a brain. disease. It's genetic. And on 60 minutes, as we talked. about, a leading Harvard physician, Fatima Cody Stanford said that it's. a that throw willpower out the. window. This is a genetic condition. And it's actually, she said, an affront in classes and racist. to suggest it's anything other than. genetic. So that's the. message being told from medical. research. We ask why? Because the second you can get that. six year old on a lifetime.

injection. And let's just take this. to every drug. It's the chronic. disease treadmill. They're told that injection is a. savior. Right. And then the government, it's the. largest line item in our budget. It's going to bankrupt a country. It's growing faster than any other. line item in the budget. Right. And Medicaid, the government is going to pay for. that lower income kid $1,500. a month, because the. government also has to just pay the. sticker price, right? We're paying our sticker price is. ten times more expensive than. Germany.

So so so so the second. you get something on the Medicaid. schedule, then all. lower income people are open. season. And what's so criminal about this. and what so representative why this. is a problem is that the medical. system is saying they're saying it's. a social justice issue. It's a moral issue. We have to pay $1,500. for 74%. of U.S. adults who are overweight or. obese per month. That we have, that we have to find. the money. The stock is the 12th.

most valuable company in the world, an expectation that the U.S. is going to say that. But where is that urgency from. the medical system about why this. stuff is happening in the first. place, why it's not happening in. Japan? Where is the urgency. on saying, hey, parents, maybe. we shouldn't feed our kids toxic. food. Maybe we should be looking at the. root cause of obesity. And so this is the key point. Forget any public policy, the medical leadership should just. say the truth. They should explain why there's. an obesity crisis among children.

It's not a ozempic. deficiency. It's because of very simple. inputs to our metabolic environment. and frankly, a rigged system. where our food has been compromised. There's nothing conservative or. liberal about our food system being, oh, I-. I couldn't agree more. It's not the medical system. Before, any public policy should. simply state that. And a key point in America. is that we listen to our medical. leaders. We change our diet. When the food pyramid came out, we. smoking rates plummeted. When the surgeon general or.

Americans got the Covid. Vaccine, when Doctor Fauci said, get. the vaccine. Most people we respect. and listen. But medical providers, they actually literally have social. justice components where they're. they're actually, not able to. recommend, natural food. because there's a component in the. USDA nutrition guidelines which. takes into account social justice. So they're worried about. affordability. May I ask what what does that mean. So it's it's racist to eat non. poisonous food in America. It is classist and. racist to suggest that mothers.

shouldn't be poisoning their kids. Yes, that is what the USDA argues. So it seems like yet another. example. There are so many of them, and you've talked about them when. you were lobbying for Coke of. the richest people in this society, the ones who were looting the. society using. issues like racism or sexism or. classism as. cudgels to beat back criticism of. their looting. Right. The ACP is a registered. lobbyist for Ozempic. Today they're. making a scratch. Our head is like, how is it? How can we how are we. so delusional that we think it is.

easier to inject a child. weekly for life. than find a way to get that child. healthy food like that? Is that is a track that we're on. right now. That is as that is. insane. But we're believing it. We're drinking that Kool-Aid. It doesn't make any sense. We could take these dollars so. simply, so easily and funnel. them towards healthier diet and. lifestyle. $3 trillion a year. We could feed every country, every. single American family with organic. food for $3 trillion a year, but. instead where we're taking those. health care dollars and steering.

them towards drugs, which doesn't. fix the root cause issue. Our message isn't drug or anti-drug. It's just like, let's look at the. problem. Like I say, you're just an. alien that came down from space. You look at America. Kids and adults are just. overwhelmingly metabolic, dysfunctional, obese, diabetic. It's like you'd never say like, let's keep have this keep happening. and then jab everyone and drug. everyone and manage that. It was just never it's just follow. the science. Maybe drugs actually do. come into play there. But the history of chronic disease. medications has been a complete. disaster. We always say, if you have.

a gunshot wound, an. emergency surgical need that's. going to kill you right away. Complicated childbirth, infection, 100%. The medical systems, American acute. Issues. Chronic disease. Medications didn't exist before. 1960. The first one was the birth control. pill, the first pill that you took. for more than a couple of weeks. That didn't cure the issue right. away, ever. So in 1960, 0%. of the medical attention was on. chronic conditions where we. can talk about that, but 90 0%. was chronic conditions. Today, 95%. of spending is on chronic. conditions, because what the.

system realized is that they can. take the trust engendered after. World War two with antibiotics and. various medical innovations that. helped to win that war and then. steer it towards chronic conditions. So by the 1970s, 30% of women. in the United States were on Valium, a highly addictive drug. Only physically addictive. Yeah. And, and. it's just been a battle to shift the. medical system to chronic disease. And we just go to the pill really. quick. I just want to say upfront. that, you know, I'm Protestant, never had a problem with birth. control. I never thought about it, but,

at all. So that's my position or has. been my position, which is actually. radically changing as we speak. But, I've always felt that way, so I. never really thought about it, but I. always noticed that. you were not allowed to criticize. the pill, period. Like that was not allowed in the. world I grew up in. You can have all kinds of kooky. opinions. You cannot criticize the. birth control pill. And now I feel like maybe we were. played a little bit. Why are you you're laughing. sardonically. Yeah, I mean, I, I can.

He was a physician, but I can also. just speak as a woman who has. taken all these different. medications because it's liberation. Yeah. It's liberation. We can do whatever we want, you. know, and I can. Who needs to get a period when you. can, you know, work in the hospital. 100 hours a week and put off having. and then I freeze my eggs at 37. and have kids, you know. So as a woman, I mean, I. do think, of course, these drugs. have helped in some ways, but we are prescribing them like. candy. We're prescribing them for. acne. We're prescribing them for. PCOS, polycystic ovarian syndrome,

the leading cause of infertility. United States, which is a metabolic. issue driven by our food, and how the food interacts with. genetics. And then, of course, for. birth control. So you've. got these medications that are. literally shutting down. the the hormones. in the female body that create. this cyclical, life giving. nature of women. We basically told women, these. hormones don't matter. Your ability to create the most. miracle of any miracles, which is. create life, just shut it down.

There's no impacts. That's crazy to me. And as I've woken up from this, I'm. realized, like your cycle. and having these hormonal cycles. is is part and parcel with our. health in every possible way, and. also with the miracle of. creating life. And so for years, you just. lose the biofeedback of. what's happening with your cycle. It is the it is one of the key. barometers of female health. How is your cycle doing? Is it regular or is it heavy? And we're just we just shut it down. and say there's no repercussions for. that, which I think gets to a larger.

issue, which is a disrespect of. life. Right? Yes. It's a disrespect of. things that create life. And I think about you've got the. pill and it just goes hand in hand. with the rise. And this is going to. seem a little far out there, but. like it goes right in line with the. hand of industrial agriculture. You know, the spraying of these. pesticides, the things that give. life in this world, which are women. and soil, we have tried. to dominate and shut down the. cycles. We have lost respect. for life, which again gets to. the spiritual Christ. Go and keep going.

I love this. And I think you. Are speaking truth right now. I can, for. The sake of efficiency, write for. this delusion of short term. gains for yields for profit. But what we need to realize is that. we live in an interdependent. ecosystem that has to be harmonious, not dominated, which means gentler, you know? And so by taking. a hammer to women's hormones, taking. a hammer to pests, what. we've done is we've essentially we. are destroying the the. things that give us life in this. country. And that is why.

that is, I think, part of the root. cause of why things feel so dark. right now. Because it's bigger than. all of this. We are actually turning. our back on life. Does it surprise you that all of. this happened within 20 years of. developing the atom bomb? No. And I mean, speaking of that, you know, I mean, I think it's really. interesting to think about the. relationship between war and what's. happening unknown. And so where do I. where did all these pesticides that. are, that have destroyed our life. giving soil and are creating a. fragile food system, which is going. to create a food crisis at some. point? Where did they all come from? Nazi Germany. Right. So Hitler.

was developing chemicals of war. and trying to create agriculture. solutions to create more food yields. for Germany. And these. some of these pesticides, these. organophosphate chemicals were. turned directly into sprays that. we're putting on all our food. The interrelationship between Nazi. Germany and what's being sprayed on. every piece of food. United States. is deeply linked, and we need to. think about that. Right? 15% of and I one other thing. I just want to say this is being. federally subsidized by the. government to the farm bills. We haven't spoken about the farm.

bills, but you think about. this funneling of money that's. happening and how the government, in. a way, is working against us. And I don't think it's nefarious at. all. I think people just don't. understand. We've talked to so many. congresspeople, they just don't. understand the health. effects of all these things that are. happening of the processed foods. And, you know, everyone likes their. Oreos. So it's it's it's a tough. issue because we're addicted. But the farm bills. are making all these. unhealthy foods cheaper. They federally subsidize. commodity crops which are turned. into processed food.

So this is the corn, the soy, the wheat, making these foods. artificially cheaper. So this is why, you know, people say this. is and this is where the social. justice peace comes into it. It is in many ways, it is much. harder, as a poor American, to buy. food that is not poisoned because. our government is making the. poisoned food cheaper. You know what? What is happening? We don't even it's. Not a free market. It's not a free market at work. This is not a free market. It's rigged. It's rigged against.

poor people. And so there's nothing. conservative about what's happening. And President Trump is calling this. out. He's obviously calling us out. But but calling out a rigged. market is not an attack on the free. market. We need to speak truth here, particularly when it's impacting. human care. Calling out a rigged market is a. call for a free market. It's a it's imperative. That's right. And, you know, working. for these companies, we actually. used to use that argument. You rigged the market and then yell. nanny state whenever anyone. questions the rig market. And the fact that there's more. agriculture subsidies that go to. tobacco than fruits and vegetables.

0.4% of agricultural subsidies go. to fruits and vegetables. 2% goes to tobacco, 90% goes. to ultra processed food. And it's highly slanted against. small farmers. You know, this gets dark. I mean, talking about the Nazis, you. know, 15% of it. Well, I mean, it's just I. do think it's not accidental that. that was regime based on. cult practices that hated. Christianity and whose contract, which no one ever seems to remember, it was murdering hundreds of. thousands of Germans.

in hospitals, through euthanasia, so-called mercy. killing of kids and adults. who were substandard. Yes. So, yeah. Does it surprise you that atomic. weapons and. poison pesticides both came from. that regime? No. Not really. Well, also, you know. Sorry. That's just all true. So they always tell you it's the. most important election of your. lifetime. But of course, this one. actually is. That's demonstrable.

Today, 15% of high schoolers. on Adderall.

Adderall was created by Nazi. Germany. So, yeah, there's a great. book called blitzed. About this, but but, Merck. developed the precursor Adderall. in order to get the German soldiers. So they got one pill a day, and actually, it was discontinued. by the end of the war because there. was such psychosis among the. German soldiers taking this every. day, it was to make them more. aggressive. They actually reformulated it. Merck and made a stronger version. And that is Adderall, which is now. given to 15% of.

children. You know, and this, this, this idea. that, you know, many parents. watching just as I zenpix being. pushed on their kids, just as SSRI. is being pushed on their kids, just. as stans are being pushed on their. kids, parents being crowded with. medical studies, saying they're. putting their kid at risk for not. following this medical guidance. They're also, if their kid is a. little bit distracted, being sitting. in a sedentary environment with. limited sunlight, being force fed, ultra processed food, they're. getting a little fidgety, and. they're prescribed Adderall right. away. That's the standard of care. Not even thinking about you.

Think about any animal you put in a. cage. Low sunlight, sedentary. You go crazy. Horse feeding, ultra. processed food. So just as we got prisoners, just. As a societal level here, you know, we're we're really. committing mass child abuse in many. ways, and we're normalizing. that and we're not speaking out. about that. And, and then and then. we're giving people stimulants. developed by Nazi Germany. I mean, it's, it's kind of crazy. That's much more profitable. I mean, from a pure economic. standpoint, getting a kid. off of this treadmill. cost millions of dollars.

You know, a diabetic person. on Medicaid, if they're diabetic, by. the time they're 30, they're. they're getting millions of dollars. They're generating millions of. dollars paid for by the government, the pharmaceutical and health care. companies, millions of dollars. If you train a lower. income person, you know, and talk to. them about metabolic health, you. know, frankly, reading the principles. case he talks about in the book, and, and they're they're going on a. path of thriving, of understanding. with their family what they're. putting in their bodies of of. movement. They're costing the system millions. of dollars. That's how the kind.

of economic reality of how the. system works. There's that's kind of. the battle. Getting to your point about how. people let this happen on doctors, I think the brilliance of the. systemic design is the most revered. People in our society are basically. able to keep up this system. They're able to have their fancy. studies that really just take. responsibility for managing the. disease instead of curing. Right. They, they censor. I, I had a call when. I attacked the dean of Tufts. Nutrition School, the most prominent nutrition. researcher in the country,

Dariush Mozaffarian. He called me and actually threatened. to call Stanford where we. both went. And he said, you know, we know the. same people at Stanford. This is this is not right to be. upsetting the apple cart. And I said, well, does your school. not take the majority of its funding. from food companies to impact. nutrition policy in the United. States? He said, of course we do. But that doesn't impact my judgment. on the fact that you're calling that. out and the fact that your question, the study that we conducted with the. NIH that said Lucky Charms were. healthier than beef, the fact they were calling the.

It really isn't polite. This isn't how it works, Kylie. And you know, we know the same. people at Stanford, and this isn't. this isn't polite. I'm going to call Stanford, and, basically threatening me to be. kicked out of the club. That that's how this works. And then these studies are used to. create, you know, influence the USDA. guidelines. 95% of people on. the USDA Nutrition Guidelines for. America 20, 20 and 25 had a conflict. of interest with food companies. These studies are used to influence. what the USDA is basically. saying can go in school lunches.

The USDA controls the US School. Lunch program, which serves 3. billion meals per year to students. Largest fast food chain in America. is the USDA School Lunch program. And, you know, just this past year, Kraft Hines is brokering deals with. the USDA to put Lunchables in. schools. These are a top growth area for. Kraft. What's a what's what's a lunchable? It's it's it's it's a it's a. plasticized squares, crackers and crackers. That's going to be the school. lunches. And these corporate deals are. happening. And it's studies like.

this that, that assuming. Lunchables are somehow. Good, there's some. But you look at the ingredients, there's about, you know, 60. ingredients in these in these. packages. There's no fruit, there's. no vegetables. It's literally. processed flour, processed sugar, processed oil. It's just these staples of the. American ultra processed food system. that will that will just rotting. children's brains and bodies. You would you believe right today. And I think this is one of the most. criminal that we talk about. We can change today.

the USDA, which sets the standards. that impact schools, that impact. parents perceptions, everything. They say that a healthy diet. for two year old is up to 10%. added sugar. They're recommending. added sugar for two year olds. when we have a metabolic health. crisis, a childhood obesity. crisis, and we're 33% of young. adults now have prediabetes, which. would have just been absolutely. unthinkable. There's an assault on. children's cells because of our. food, added sugar. It's a huge one. And the USDA recommends that they. imagine.

And this is just it's so simple. If medical leaders actually had. courage, if we had the the. volume and the urgency. of our medical community talking. about the Covid vaccine, about. the childhood chronic disease. crisis, not banning sugar, not. banning anything, but just from a. medical perspective, saying it's. it's probably a good idea to relook. at what we're feeding kids in the. midst of a metabolic health crisis. And probably sugar should be. discouraged. They don't say that right now. The USDA just put a report out. saying a diet 93% in ultra processed. food for kids could be healthy. The USDA is doing marketing for.

ultra processed food. They're not speaking in a clear. voice, because 95%. of the advisers on the committee are. corrupted. 40% of the advisers. that President Biden has already, put for the next committee are paid. for by the microphones. Epic. Why do we have a huge. chunk of the USDA nutrition. guideline committee paid for by. Ozempic? You'll have to unpack that. one for. Foreign drug man. Yeah. And then you've got, you know, Jason and Travis Kelly doing. brokering it. You might have seen. they're they're now endorsing. a new cereal blend with General.

Mills. And every mainstream media. outlet is with them. basically laughing about how great. this is. You know, they're not. talking about this metabolic. disease epidemic that's destroying. our children. They just turn a blind eye. to any of the problematic nature of. this, because, of course, their. funding, ad funding comes from farm. and food. Can can I ask, so, you. all are focused on children, which. is, you know, indisputably the right. thing, but for, you. know, people my age, maybe. even your age, you know, watching. someone you love die.

from dementia, from Alzheimer's, universally regarded as the worst. thing, just the worst thing. And it seems. to me the incidence of of dementia. is rising. Am I imagining that? If it's true, why is it happening? What can be done? It's going up rapidly. It's happening. Younger people, we're seeing old timers and people. as young as 50. There are no drugs that actually, reverse the disease. There are no good drugs for. Alzheimer's. And we know still. still there are no drugs. That's there is drugs that slightly. slow the progression but do nothing.

to reverse the disease. And, research from. top journals in the world like the. Lancet have explicitly stated. that it is modifiable lifestyle. factors that drive the development. of this disease. Things like healthy. eating, smoking, and. moving and exercise, these are the. best possible way we could prevent. Alzheimer's in this country is by. people getting up and moving more, eating unprocessed organic food, not smoking. And of course, you never hear. that, right? This is a largely. preventable disease that is sky.

Alzheimer's right now. Largely preventable. Largely preventable Alzheimer's. Alzheimer's with with simple, free lifestyle habits. right now, Alzheimer's, dementia. Many researchers are calling it type. three diabetes. Okay, we have type two diabetes, type one diabetes, type three. diabetes because there is such a. link between metabolic dysfunction. and the development of the disease. And you think about it makes a. complete obvious sense. The brain is. 2% of our body weight, but it uses. 20% of our energy because it's like. a computer. It's high processing. power, right? It's using two.

Tons of energy to make all these. billions of neurons work, right? So 20% of our body's energy. metabolic dysfunction is a problem. with how our body makes energy, because our cells are destroyed by. our food and our environment. So you have a problem in the body. systemically, like diabetes or type. or prediabetes. That's that's an overt. representation of our bodies not. making energy properly that is going. to disproportionately affect the. brain. Okay. So an underpowered brain is. going to not be able to think. properly. And that's what's. happening in Alzheimer's.

There's a neuro energetic. theory of Alzheimer's that. creates the downstream issues that. we talk about, like the plaques in. the brain and things like that. These are responses to. a fundamental issue with how the. brain is powering itself. So we need to just all wake up and. realize we need to support the cells. of the body with the simple, evidence based habits that let. us be metabolically healthy, so our. brain has the energy to do its work. Is there is so if if. dementia or Alzheimer's mean. there are many forms of dementia. Correct? Yes. Okay. So but if at least the big one.

is caused by metabolic dysfunction, is it conceivably. reversible or slow with. changes to behavior? There are amazing researchers like. doctor Dale Bredesen, the doctor. David Perlmutter, many others who. have shown that we can reverse. the symptoms of Alzheimer's with a. healthier lifestyle. Doctor Dale Bredesen, who wrote The. End of Alzheimer's, which everyone. should read. It's is the most effective reversal. protocol ever. Ever. What is it? He talks about how there's, you. know, there's not one thing here,

right? It's a breaking of the cells. And that can happen from a lot of. different things in our environment. So he talks about like 36. holes in the roof that basically. have to be plugged for the rain to. stop pouring into the house. Right. So it's not just one thing. It's we've got to check our vitamin. D levels. We've got to check our. insulin levels. We've got to get our B12 levels. right. There's all these things that. we know affect the cellular biology. of our brain. And essentially, when you overwhelm. the body too much and under nourish. it, there's going to be breakdown. And so we have to examine each of. these factors that we know is linked. to dementia, and then fix each.

one. And the path for you might be. different for me. Right. Some of those 36 factors might. be fine in you, but not fine in me. And we might have different ones. So that's why personalized medicine. is so important. Because we have to understand, you. know, it's it's it's from all. aspects of our environment that our. cells are getting hurt. So we have to realize through. testing and personalized, you know, medicine which in our. body are causing the problems. But by and large, the simple reality. is if we're eating nutrient rich. whole foods, moving our bodies, getting enough sleep, staying. intellectually stimulated, not.

smoking, and avoiding toxins, our cells are going to do a much. better job doing their work. The first chapter of when we Get. into plans is really guiding. Kasey guides through a list. of how to read blood tests. You know, I got on a path a couple. years ago when I had my regular. cholesterol test. They said I was perfectly fine, so. to turn she's like, this is blaring. metabolic dysfunction. I go back to my doctor, they're. like, oh yeah, it's really bad, but. you're not treatable. Yeah, you're. not ready for a. And so we just say. you're fine. Like a key thing is serious. Yeah. Yeah. So you get to treatable levels. and then when you everyone but but.

we're brewing metabolic dysfunction. Everyone, especially people in our. 2030s and 40s that are healthy are. brewing metabolic dysfunction. They're brewing those things. But my mom was told she. was healthy by her primary care. provider months before. the cancer diagnosis because she was. on five medications, which is less. than the average American her age. Right. With these are all rites of. passage, right? You know, so so I wasn't quite at. the standard level. So a key thing. And we arm this with the book just. with the free blood test. And then there's new services, this. personalized medicine revolution.

where you can get 100 blood tests, companies like Function Health, or you can go to a functional. medicine doctor, you can order these. tests are just a couple hundred. bucks and you can get more. of a personalized view, and then you can attack those. deficiencies with food. and with supplementation and get the. root cause of things under control. And to our point in the book. is that dementia. is on the same. It's a branch of the same tree. It's diabetes as heart disease, as. kidney disease, and even dying of. Covid. These are all. very similar things.

If you can cure the root, if you can. understand. So a lot of our advice would just be. work through the personalized blood. test, understand what's happening. you and then match those nutrient. needs with your food and with your. supplementation to cure. what your blood tests are telling. you. And if you get your metabolic. biomarkers more under control, you. are able to reverse and absolutely. prevent most of the conditions that. are plaguing the American people. that have really only become new. phenomenons in the past generation. It's all kind of rooted in the same. thing. And that's really. what our big mission is, is like we.

need actually a new paradigm of how. we view chronic disease. I mean, it's actually just a lie, right? That if you have. a high cholesterol, high blood sugar. and depression, you're seeing three. different doctors who aren't talking. to each other at all. That's just. wrong. It's very profitable. It's wrong. You're on three. different lifetime plans. You can really solve it with the. root cause. And that's if the. medical system was sane, right? Would lower costs and unleash. human capital. You know, we're debating on the. margins right now on the left and. the right about how to change page.

300 of Medicare Part D. Unless we're attacking the core. incentive that was embedded by a. bomb scare, which was probably the. deadliest law passed in recent. history. What Obamacare did is it ingrained. the incentive that the medical. system makes more money when people. get sicker through this populist. idea of like taking on the insurance. companies. That said, insurance. companies can only make a 15%. profit margin medical loss ratio. They need to pay out 85% of their. spending. But because, now insurance companies can only get. 15%, but by law enshrined.

in Obamacare, they can raise. premiums to get that 15%. What's their incentive? You're instead of us for the pie to. grow. Your incentive is for cost to. go up. So Obamacare actually incentivized. insurance companies to have no cost. controls. What is no cost controls. means it means more people getting. sick. So we're talking about inflation a. lot right now. By far the top driver. of inflation America right now is. health care. And that's happening because. there's no rain on cost. There's no rain on costs because. everyone makes money when we get. sicker. That's no excuse.

That's 85% of their budget. has to go to care. They take 15% by law from. Obamacare. The more that we spend actually on. health care, the more expenditures. for patients, the more they're 15%. gross. That's crazy. So I mean, in a. functioning system, of course, insurers would have the greatest. possible. Not. Illness. Obamacare out of a populist. kind of we're going to we're going. to cap their profit margins. But they lobbied again, they can. raise prices to get that 15%. So there is zero.

And I mean this every single. institution impacts our health. insurance companies, pharma. companies, hospitals, medical. schools. They make more money when. more Americans are sicker for longer. periods of time, and they lose money. when Americans get help. Just absolutely.... That's the incentive. And then you go to Medicaid, which. I talked about. There's just a huge incentive for. more and more poor people to get. sick because that's an annuity then. to the pharma companies. So until you attack that instead of. and it's Katie said, people just. don't understand this. Everyone kind of makes sense. And actually I think there are these.

things are very easy to change. But the problem is that every it's. enshrined, that there's. profit when people are sick, and. then they use the Stanford and the. Harvard and the it's all this fancy. club where people it's like. uncouth to talk. You know, it's so marginalized when. you talk about nutrition among the. elites, when it's like Casey was. yelled at by an attending surgeon, you didn't go to nutrition school. Don't talk to your patients about. what to eat. We do serious medicine. We commit surgery. And Chinese. Medicine. Then why are the outcomes.

getting worse if. Because they're not? My life is they're not life. Expectancy going down, but the. Life is. Right there for good outcomes. The life expectancy is the tip of. the iceberg. Yeah. No, I mean. That's that's the underlying. It's just mass suffering, particularly among kids. I mean, this this rapid increase. in childhood diabetes, if you have. diabetes, by the time you're 30, you. die 15 years younger and you're. suffering much more along the way. And now almost, you know, it's. getting to the almost the majority. of young adults are pre-diabetic. So diabetes is not. an isolated condition.

It's cellular dysfunction. As Casey talks about in the book, it's the root of so many other. things. Okay, so let's, at breakfast when you were laying. and this is not our first. conversation, you. said, I'm going to make this. positive. Hahaha. I, I called my brother last night. and I was like, you got to come to breakfast. with the with the means is because. it will radicalize you, which you. successfully did in about an hour. So I've got two more questions. for you. Broad questions. Here's the first. Let's say there's. a means administration. You are given absolute power over. the society or power within the.

bounds of our system. Right. You can do what a president. can do. What? What are the first steps you take to. fix this? Day one state of emergency for. trial to chronic disease fully. within the Constitution for the. president. Declare a state of. emergency for public health. That's what happened during Covid. It was very little Congress. It was no congressional legislation. It was a state of emergency. What's happening? All the chronic diseases are much. orders of magnitude bigger, state of. emergency right now and more. imminent emergency in America than. Covid. So you declare a state of emergency. for sure. You still you declare.

state of emergency for child health. We actually start a nonprofit and we. have executive orders drafted, and there are so much stuff you can. do, but it's attacking the. incentives. You know, just for starters, Biden's. talked about this and President. Trump's talked about it. But I think. the fact that you you need a. president there who's willing to. take some heat from these ingrained. industries, you could sign a bill. tomorrow saying pharma companies. can't charge Americans more. than what they charge people. In Europe. We are spending, in. some cases, ten times more on drugs.

We are subsidizing the largest. companies in Europe with our. insanity. That's not a free market. Tomorrow you can cut this. ridiculous thing. You can thank. The Republicans for that. By the way. A no no, it's it's they laid Paul. Ryan and yeah. No. But the Republicans I will say is. a lifetime Republican voter. But they provided. the ideological cover. for that because they said I. was there when this happened in. Hillary care, Obamacare. So between 1993. and 2011,

they made this case consistently. through their think tanks that it. was a choice between socialism and. capitalism. And if you were. controlling costs, that was. socialism. It's socialism for pharma to have. Congress over a barrel. And now I'm very aware that it was. the opposite. I was working for conservative think. tanks trying to make that argument. It's it's totally bankrupt. And actually President Trump's. talked about that. That's an. executive order. We can sign the. first day I cannot. it's crazy. I cannot emphasize this. enough how important it is just for. medical leaders to cite the science.

The executive order tomorrow. could make it that. USDA panelists cannot take money. from food companies. What an idea it can. Mitch signed an executive order. tomorrow that NIH grants. can't go to conflicted researchers. 80% of them currently. go to conflicted researchers. You could sign an executive order. tomorrow that the FDA. should stop being funded by pharma. 75% of their funding comes from. pharma. 75% of the. FDA's funding doesn't come from.

taxpayer, it comes from pharma. And there's a revolving door, as we. all know, where people go from the. FDA to pharma institution. to DC, as we both know, are built to. grow. The FDA grows when. the pharmacy influence grows, the FDA should be an independent. organization. It's not. That's an executive order tomorrow. So you just rob the conflicts. of interest out of these things. Personnel. I sign doctors that we both know. under the USDA nutrition panel. and have the president have. the secretary of the Treasury,

because we're going bankrupt from. health care costs, have the. secretary of defense because 77%. of young adults aren't eligible, join the military, have them say, we are not banning any company. We're not even giving public policy. recommendations. But we are saying from a medical. perspective that. we should reduce ultra processed. food consumption among children. That is a medically valid statement. And medical leaders need. to start telling the truth. And then public policy. I'm fine with the public policy. Chips may fall where they may,

but the president, the secretary of. defense, the head of the NIH, the. head of the FDA, should be saying. the medical truth. The most important dynamic. in America, I believe, is when a. child or a parent is sitting. across their doctor at the first. stage of metabolic dysfunction. They're shoved into a one size fits. all process right now where. they immediately get on a. pharmaceutical treadmill. The medical guidance comes. from the NIH, the. FDA, and their associated groups. like the American Diabetes.

Association, the American Academy of. Pediatrics. That guidance itself is corrupt. and says that Ozempic, you know, is. the cure for obesity and stance and. heart disease. Not that if a doctor. was recommending the right things. We'd be a healthier country. So you just have to go after. the medical guidelines that would. transform the country. The last red tape just going after. incentives. I think it's a huge deal. that our information sources have. been totally co-opted. You know, 50% to that, 50% of TV news spending, you know, coming from pharma is a huge deal.

And why the hell. is our media. playing referee. for defending pharmaceutical. companies? Why. Why why are they in silence? How are they suppressing any. questions around that? You know, that's a huge problem. that our dominant information. sources for the past generation have. been able to be co-opted by an. industry that just as a statement of. economic fact, profits from. Americans getting sick. Just just undeniable. You. Tomorrow. Tomorrow the president could sign.

That was actually DTC. Pharma advertising was an executive. order from Reagan. It could be an executive order. tomorrow. It's actually beautiful. You would cut 50%. of mainstream media revenue. Yeah, and be on the moral high. ground. You know, that's absolutely. something. So. stop recommending the. bad stuff and stop. subsidizing. There's also a host of things you. can do before we get into any taxes, any bans, which I'm not even. interested in talking about. Coke should exist, but it.

shouldn't be subsidized by food. stamps. It shouldn't be recommended by the. USDA. Is something okay for kids? It shouldn't be funded. billions of dollars by the federal. government, right? These things just shouldn't be. incentivized. And so so you can you can. We have a whole host of executive. orders to cut the recommendations. to cut the conflicts and and cut the. incentives for these. When do we get to put the corrupt. doctors in jail? I. So the the this. so you go to the motivations. a lot.

I think again, the systemic genius. of the health system is that gives. people plausible deniability. I would say, though, you. know, to add on to a case you were. saying earlier that there's. knowledge and we do need. to start holding people accountable. Kind of in your systems, like the. perfect example. It's like you, I. just so strongly identify with the. world you grew up in because I know. it so well. And you, just like you were. the highest achiever in your. neighborhood, and you. find that the system you're. living in is incompatible with.

your values, it's morally. unacceptable to you, and you opt. out, but you're the only one who. helps out. So that raises questions. about, like, everyone who didn't opt. out. I'm sorry. It does. I've got a dark I've got a dark stat. for you. We talked about this in the book. The highest suicide rate of any. profession, any. profession. America's doctors. Really. And the highest burnout rate. So what I see with that. is that you don't. Working hard. Does it make you super depressed and. suicidal? Like missionaries aren't. getting sued? Yeah.

Yeah. You know, I'm working hard on this. mission, and I feel really good. about it, too. They actually had a New York Times. article recently that identified. what doctors are feeling, toward soldiers. It's the same psychological dynamic. that soldiers who get in the fight. for the right reasons, but then are. forced by their superiors to commit. war crimes. It's actually similar, like they. actually the New York Times, compared doctors to, like, Abu. Gharib, like soldiers who are forced. to do horrible things or felt like. they were forced. That's I think what's happening to. the medical profession is these are. all good people.

There's much easier ways to make. money. They we actually are this. magnet that attracts the best and. the brightest from all over the world. We saddled them with that. They have no other skills, and then. they have societal expectations in. their parents and all these. credentials, but they do feel. trapped. So I hope it's certainly inspiring. to me. It changed my whole life kind. of learning from Kasey's story. I hope more and more people realize. that there's light moving away. from this system. And I always go back to Elon. Remember when he said, you know, you're speaking out about all these. issues who care about, but. advertisers are. flocking away from you.

And he goes, I don't give a fuck. That's the attitude we need. In the. Health care industry. We need some people with. that type of attitude because that's. the it's the same thing. It's like, well, these children are dying, but. you know, what are you going to it's. like, well, they're playing along. with it. I've, I'm talking. to senior people at. Pharmaceutical companies and. insurance called. Everyone knows. what's going on. It's like, oh, it's. hard, you know? We don't know what to do. We need some leadership. We need some leadership. But again, with.

simple executive orders, you can start changing these. incentives. You can you can start. You can start changing now. You're right. And I think I'm too. judgmental. I mean, I participated. in an enormously corrupt system for. my entire life. So until. I was fired, I wasn't half as honorable. as you. Would you add anything to. that? Yeah. I mean, I think what Kelly is. talking about with the incentives is. absolutely key. You know, why is 75% of the FDA. budget coming from pharma? But I think there's a couple other. things we could also sort of do.

to really change things. I mean, one is that we need. to stop recommending added sugar. to two year olds, 10% of our diet. So that's easy, right? Like the science support that. And actually, when we were creating. the 2020 to 2025 Food. Guidelines for America, the medical. advisory board to that panel. said that we should absolutely. reduce sugar recommendations from. 10% to 6% of total calories. And it was rejected by the USDA, even though the doctors said to do. it. So all these conflicts, we need. to get the sugar out of that, because then I'll get, you know, we'll have better school lunches,

and we will not be telling parents. that it's okay to give your kid 10%. of their calories at two years old. from added sugar. Also, I think there's something. really interesting we can do by. actually using the existing tax and. legal system to incentivize healthy. purchases, because right now, the. more the healthier things are more. expensive. And that's a problem. And that's because of our farm bill. So we need to change the farm bills. But we also need give people more. flexibility to use tax free dollars. to buy healthy products like. organic food. And Carly has started. an incredible company called True. Mad, which is helping to allow this. to happen. Where can't why? Why is it that we can use our HSA.

FSA funding to buy drugs, but we. can't use it to buy organic food? This is crazy. Like this should be what we spend. our tax advantage dollars on. So things like that. Creating more patient choice with. HSAs. And I think, you know, we also need. to talk about things like food. marketing to children. You know, we're one of the only. developed countries that's allowing. our TVs, Nickelodeon, for 28%. of the ads to children to be able to. process foods that we know are. associated with chronic disease. And, you know, and so there's. there's other things I think that. would be very high yield, that are just very basic.

Let me give you let me just give you. one example that I think will be. really relevant to people listening. Listing infertility is a huge issue. As Casey mentioned, PCOS, which is. the leading cause of female. infertility, 25% plain. with that is yes. So so very good question. So PCOS is the. leading cause of female infertility. Anyone listening of childbearing age. will know about this. It's an epidemic right now. It's gone up. It's, you know, multiples in the past generation. What does it stand for? Polycystic ovarian syndrome. So, so I just.

Well let's get into it. So so so so. that question you just asked, I know OB GYNs from. Harvard who could not answer that. question. This is not an. exaggeration. OB GYNs are not. taught what the condition. is. They're only taught. what the intervention is. So let's always start. I know nothing about medical. science, but I do know that. interviews always start with the. dumb questions first. But you know, if you can't. answer the dumb questions, I don't.

believe you. So so so so when a. woman and many women listening will. have PCOS and. across the OBD when they're put. on a cascading set of interventions. that are pharmaceutical, can. You tell me what it is? It's insulin resistance. This is not related to insulin. resistance, which is on the spectrum. diabetes. It is insulin resistance. PCOS is a metabolic. condition. Katie can speak a little. bit more to it, but it's. fundamentally related to what. Is it, can you describe it. Symptoms. And absolutely. So PCOS essentially. you have an ovary that ovaries.

making hormones. And when that ovary is stimulated. by excess insulin, which is the. hormone in the blood, that helps us. take blood sugar out of the blood. and into the cells, insulin levels. go up in the setting of metabolic. dysfunction. We basically destroy. our cells, with our toxic. food and lifestyle. The cells can no longer process. sugar to energy. So the cell rejects sugar and. it stays in the bloodstream. The body compensates by making more. insulin to dry and try and drive. the sugar into the cell. That's putting up a block because. it's broken.

Essentially, that high insulin. floats all around the body. and does bad things all over the. body, like drives cancer growth and. also stimulates the ovary. to make more testosterone. So you have women who are supposed. to be making, you know, estrogen and. progesterone in very specific levels. throughout the hormone cycle so that. we can ovulate. And instead, insulin is driving the. ovary to create testosterone, which totally disturbs the balance. between all the sex hormones in the. female body. And we don't ovulate. So you get these cysts that form.

because you've got an egg trying to. basically like ovulate, but instead. it can't because the hormones are. disrupted because of insulin, which. is because of metabolic dysfunction, because of our food. And we get infertility. because we're not ovulating. So, so. Lucky Charms leads to the fertile. 100. Absolutely. Hundred percent. And this condition. is reversed. Possible in as little. as 12 weeks with. dietary interventions. There is. Peer reviewed studies to. show this. If we get our blood sugar levels. under control and our insulin levels.

under control, we restore the. hormonal balance. And many women, all the symptoms. will disappear and they'll be able. to become fertile. And yet doctors do not. learn. The average doctor is. getting zero education in. nutrition, and so they don't even. see this. They reach the caffeine, the metformin. The treatment that the Obi-Wan's are. giving to these women is a diabetes. drug. And they're not talking about. blood sugar. You know, we I started a company. called levels, which consumer. has access to a device called a. continuous glucose monitor. There are so many women in our. community who have PCOS, who's.

doctors who want to understand their. blood sugar so that they can. naturally heal their PCOS. Yes, and have babies. Are not devices that that. they will give. They will only give. it to late stage type two diabetics. Even though we know that PCOS is. insulin resistance and that if we. can monitor our blood sugar with. this device and get. our blood sugar under better control, it can absolutely set us up to sort. of naturally heal. But it's not. being talked about by the adjuvants. because doctors are not trained to. see this. This is everything, right? It disconnects everything. Wow.

Fertility. This topic, any woman don't. have to tell you this connects. everything because the doctor. doesn't know what case you just. described. We talked to him. They don't know. They did not learn. the physiology of why people. actually get this condition. And they eat what. they kill. So what do they want? More than anything? They want an IVF procedure. They want an invasive surgical. procedure. IVF. Of course. I mean, assisted technology is. skyrocketing clinics. So an economic perspective, it's a. goal. It's a coal mine.

If that woman goes on a keto. diet, which is the best. reversal technique for a PCOS ever. studied 12 weeks. They are robbing that. doctor just from an economic. perspective of tens of thousands. of dollars for a gruesome, invasive. IVF procedure, which is a great. procedure. But I think we all should. agree, like that woman across the. table would love to hear. that there's a more natural. way and just the correct. way to reverse this condition, which-.

By the way, there are big time downsides. to IVF. And not to mention it's it's. if the woman doesn't heal the. underlying metabolic issues. and issues for the baby to like, not normally in the route, even if. you get pregnant with IVF, which is. wonderful if that can happen, if. you're not healing the root cause, issues of the metabolic dysfunction. that's affecting the fetus and. affecting the mom's future risk of. disease. So by ignoring this, we're. we're just continuing to put people. on this treadmill. This is what. happened to my mom. And I just want. to be super clear. Like the. picture of doctors here is very.

negative. But like again, I just. want to emphasize like doctors. are not doing this nefariously like. there is just systemic. misunderstanding and there are many. doctors who are waking up and. teaching themselves these types of. things, but it is very still very. fringe and small and. Well, their vacation houses are paid. for by committing. more interventions there. It's really easy. For me to judge them because I don't. know them well, but I just want to. refer you back to your own life and. the decisions you made. Yeah, and I think that's going. to be very hard for a lot of people. And you had advantages, as you've.

said. On the other hand, you're the only. person I've ever met who's done. that. And that's pretty. discouraging. That's a pretty. discouraging. There is a tribe, I will say it's. happening. There is a tribe. It's coming from the bottom up. there. You know, this is functional. medicine. You spoke with, you know, Mark Hyman, for instance, like, there are people this there is. a movement, it's happening. And you look at what's happening in. different media, you're talking. about this, Joe Rogan's talking. about this. People care, people are. listening, and people are waking up. But it's not. A boutique issue. No, it's the Americans.

Want to be healthy. That's the thing. Doctors are. trained to think patients are. noncompliant and lazy. That is not true. People are. Flocking. To. Americans want to be. healthy, but the entire system is. rigged. Okay, so that leads me to my. last topic that. I hope we can get, and I hope you. will be as personal and specific. as you can be. What do you eat? No, I'm saying don't be embarrassed. like it, because I think anyone. who's made it to this point in the. conversations like this. is a bigger deal than I realized it. was. The consequences to.

me personally are. the worst possible. Pancreatic cancer, Alzheimer's. There's nothing worse. Yeah. So. And but you're. absolutely right. Both of you made the point. Poor people are at a disadvantage. That's one liberal talking point. That's true. They are. The stuff's expensive. The only. people I know who know anything. about this are rich people, privileged. People, so weaponized against them. I can tell that that's true. So. But even if you can afford, you know, to buy expensive food, like, how do you do that? What do you what do you do? Yeah. What do you eat? What don't you.

Number one thing that. people need to understand is we need. to stop eating ultra processed food. We need to stop eating. What is ultra processed can just. give like examples. Absolutely. So ultra processed food. is basically all the things that are. you're seeing at the grocery store. that have this laundry list of. ingredients that usually are based. on three ingredients ultra. processed flour, ultra processed. added sugars, and ultra processed. seed oil. So this is going to be. like white flour, you. know, cane sugar and things. like cottonseed oil, safflower. oil, sunflower oil, soybean oil. So these these crappy foods that did. not exist 150 years ago, ultrafine.

white flour, added sugars and and. seed oil. So it's like all brand name. It's like everything. I mean, we have a list in the book. of what you should not eat, and it's. basically everything at the grocery. store mean we should all be shopping. it. There are 9000 farmers markets. in United States right now. People can make the effort and. reprioritize their values to focus. on getting nutritious food. We need to be eating organic, unprocessed foods for the vast. enjoyed our calories, and we need to. get back to having a. sense of pride. and responsibility in our households.

to cook food. You know, one of the one. of the unintentional downsides of. the feminist movement is that we. somehow made people feel that food. preparation was like a less than. activity. I bought into this for my. entire early professional life that. like that, it was somehow beneath. me. I was like a slave in the. kitchen. If I was cooking for. husband or family, there is no more. important thing we can be doing than. feeding our children in our. families. Healthy food. Less than 30% of American families. are eating together more than once. per week. We need to be sitting down. at the dinner table eating real, unprocessed food cooked with love at.

home. There is. There is no way a drug ourselves out. of the fact that, you know, we eat. 70, we eat 40 to. 70 metric tons of food in our. lifetime. That's a lot of food, right? This is the molecular. information that is building our. bodies, building our brains, making. our hormones, feeding our. microbiome. The food is what we are built up. And right now, 70%. of it is trash made. from a factory to addict us. Of course we're sick. So that is number one. So to answer your question very. specifically, I don't.

follow dietary dogma. I eat organic, unprocessed foods. that I buy at the farmer's market, and I cook every single meal for my. partner and I. And when I have. children the next few years, I am so. deeply. Excited to cook every. meal for them from scratch because. there's nothing more important. And so, you know, for people. who can't necessarily get to a. farmers market, it's go to common. You are radical, I love it. How is this radical? It's not wild that this is. radical. It's so it's such a total rejection. at every level of the values. of our society. Which I had to wake up.

I was so deep in this in my. 20s, I cannot even tell you, like. I was deep, deep in the. opposite of this. And so, you know, I believe that. people no one wants to be. sick, you know, and but the answer. is on our fork. So I would say. to get very specific now organic. fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds, beans, legumes, meat, poultry, eggs, game meats, grass. fed, organic pasture raised. What about cheese? Cheese? Dairy? But grass. fed, high quality organic?

The molecular information in these. factory cow. You know, these factory farmed cows. that are jammed with antibiotics and. hormones. That milk is not what. you want to be drinking. We know it's the quality. The quality of the milk. You know, organic food has more. nutrients than non-organic food. We need to be. Is it hard to find like, I love. cheese, for example, Welch's. So if I just. Costco now grass fed cheese. Okay. You know, I mean, how wild. is it that it's illegal to buy raw. milk in this.

Country imported from Europe? Imported from Europe? Yeah, because they're going to have. much. Better if they have parmesan at. Costco that's imported from Europe. It's that the lactose and. all these allergies that have all. just started in the past 30 years. are because the toxicity of the. food, not the food itself, all. these food, anything that we ate, you know, 10,000 years ago that. we're evolutionary made to eat is is. generally fine. It's it's what's been done to the. food. So, you know, pasture raised, a pasture raised, which has just. been beef for all of history.

up until like. Raising. Cows is like that. That just means they're outside not. Getting. Raised as they know they're eating. grass. Now, most industrial farmed. meat right there inside there, you know, have cortisol because. they're so stressed and they're. eating GMO, corn. and soy that. impacts their biology. So actually the, the, the factory. farm meat has a much higher. omega six content, whereas one's eating grass outside. of omega three, much more omega. three fatty acids.

Omega six is inflammatory. Omega three is not. So actually. And again we go through. this in the book, but just being on. a path of curiosity about this, eating food, how it's meant to be. made and meant to be raised, you know, your, your the actual. biology makeup of the food itself, it's different when it's factory. farms. You're actually when you're. eating a traditionally industrial. raised, meat, you're. much more inflammatory, items are going into your body. So so you just always need to. strive. That's why we do think. And there's problems with the.

organic designations. But as much as you can get away from. the pesticides being sprayed on this. food, as much you can get to how the. food has been raised, you know, for. for all of history up until a. couple, you know, generations ago, because the way the food is. manufactured and the stuff that is. put on food is very corrupt, it's. just not the case in other. countries. So as much as you. can get to to how it's. been made forever, the. better. And that's why we say and. how if we were in charge of. everything, I would fire every. And I truly mean this. I'm not joke at fire.

Every single nutrition scientist in. the government, I'd stop every. single, you know, all this. complicated nutrition guidelines, the point of the USDA putting. out thousands of studies, literally. And all this guidance is to confuse. people because they're bought off by. the food companies. I'd replace it with one guideline is. that we need to, as a public policy. matter, reduce, reduce. all the processed food consumption. on children. Where are you on sugar? Well. Yeah, I mean, sugar is. the amount of added sugar that we're. eating in this country is astronomical. The average American is eating over.

100 pounds of added sugar per year. In the 1800s, it was less than 5. pounds. So we're eating. We are overwhelming our bodies. with this material that is. destroying our cellular health. Like all of that, the. body has to do something with all of. that sugar, right? And so the body is. prime, knows how to turn sugar into. energy. That's what the mitochondria. does. That's what metabolic health. is. Okay. But if you're putting on, you know, ten, 20, 30 times. the amount of sugar, the substrate. for energy that the body. then the body has been used to doing.

or can handle, you're going to gum. up the system, you're going to. destroy the system. It's too much work for the body. So what happens? We get dysfunction. We get metabolic dysfunction. We get pre-diabetes, diabetes. And where does all that sugar go? Sugar gets converted to fat okay. And so that's why we're we're all. getting so heavy in part because of. all this excess sugar we're eating. that has to go somewhere. It's literally converted to fat in. the body. And so it's it's. it's astronomical. And 50% of Americans now have a. blood sugar disorder. This it's back to ultra processed. food okay. So liquid sugar.

in the form of a Coke, right. You chug one Coke. That's like the sugar of, you know, 15 oranges. Right? And they all just have the fiber. So you. I couldn't even physically. eat all of the. whole food, unprocessed food, to get the sugar that's weaponized. in those sugary drinks and all the. things we're getting at Starbucks. and all the things kids are. drinking, even juice, which Michelle. Obama is now supporting as sugary. sugar water, literally. She is now promoting sugar water. for kids because it's. A better than soda option. But it's still high in sugar.

So. So why is she doing that? Because she wants to make money. Oh, so she's like a flack for some. sugar company. Oh, no. No, she partnered with a. private equity company that. specializes in junk food influencer. partnerships. Oh, yeah. They're a private equity. company that works on the rocks. energy drink, and. specializes in partnership to our. high level influencers. Partner to promote junk food. And she is the chief spokesperson. and co-founder of Plessey, which is. a sugar water for kids. It has less sugar than soda because.

it's advertised that it's better. than juice or sugar water. Kid should be drinking water. Safer cigaret. Milk. You know what? If Michelle Obama. said that? What if Michelle Obama. and. Daughter bond drinking sugar water? You shouldn't be drinking sugar like. like. Like the fact that the USDA. and Michelle Obama can't say that. Michelle Obama was right in the. first year talking about food, but. she was directly bought off. She was directly influenced by the. food companies say, John Kerry, you know, Teresa Hines. There was a lot of people that got.

to Michelle. This is well. documented. And she shifted. everything to exercise. And the exercise group that she then. partnered with was actually funded. by ultra processed food companies. And she shifted all to exercise and. totally stop talking about foods. And exercise. Anyone who's ever. tried to lose weight knows it. actually is super important. It's good for you, but you're not. going to lose it. I mean. Yeah. You know, that's not. The crazy thing about the that Kelly. talked about the soda and how it's. weaponized. I really want to drive. that point home high for just corn. sirup, which is what's in a lot of. these drinks, was invented in the. 1970s as a brand new substance.

And the invention of high fructose. corn sirup, which is subsidized by. the government through commodity. crop farm bill subsidies to corn. So it's basically we're giving the. soda companies this cheaper product, which is then turn into high. fructose corn sirup. Something interesting about fructose. that we learned from bears who. hibernate is that aside from. other calories that you eat them and. they cue satiety with. fructose, a very interesting. molecule. It's found in berries. And when you have an animal who. needs to go into hibernation, they. need to pack on fat in their body, right. So before hibernation, you.

have to load your body with. Yeah. So fructose aside. from other calories different than. other calories, actually does not. cue satiety. It uses the feed forward. violence and aggression mechanism in. that animal to basically outcompete. all other animals, to eat as many. berries as possible in the fall to. store fat, which is fructose, creates metabolic dysfunction, causes us to turn our sugar to fat. to basically store fat for winter. So soda companies know all this. So they put this, this molecule. in the sodas that you're chugging,

which is, like Carly said, like 15. oranges. And the fructose you get in. this, and it's causing kids to be. insatiably hungry. because essentially it's telling. their brains that winter is coming. Pack on the fat. But of course, that when the. tobacco. Side. Is. Absolutely whole, foods are great. You know, anything that is a whole. food that has not been broken. down into its constituent parts and. made into a Franken food in a. factory by a multinational. corporation is a food that. I'm gonna eat. And I'm the reason I choose organic. or regenerative is because that.

berry a berry just, you know, grocery store that's not. organic is going to have less. nutrients in it then the berry. that you buy from, you know, a farm. These foods contain anti-cancer. compounds. They contain tens of. thousands of molecules, literally. medicine that changes our gene. expression. This is neutral to no. mix, but it all gets lost. when you process the food. It's nothing short of gaslighting. to, you know, convince us that these. tons of food we eat are kind. of this like, like fringe science. And these pills are the only thing. that serious science, I mean, these.

truly are medicine. I just say, Tucker, you know, we get. so confused. And this is a core point we try to. drive home in the book, is that. there's confusion by design. There's not an epidemic of people, I. guarantee you, that are eating 90%. non ultra processed food diet that. have health epidemics like like. like I don't care if you're. carnivore or vegan, because if you're all in that path. of being curious for you and your. family and taking that rebellion. to actually cook and and eat whole. food, you're going to adjust. You're going to look at your blood.

test and make sure it's different. for everybody. But just as a public. policy matter, as a spiritual matter. in the country, we should be trying. to engender morale and curiosity. about what we're putting on our. bodies. Yes. And, you know, we and I want to be. clear to everyone watching this is. not about lecturing you or your. family to eat, you know, any type of food. I'm making the point that there is. really been something done to us. I don't think the American people. are just a lazy, suicidal population. where everyone wants 94%. of Covid wants to be a smart point.

The curiosity I had a. weird problem with food, so I I'm blaming my childhood. Of course. I never really. Care about food. Wow. And I'll just, you know, whatever's there, I'll eat it. Lowest common denominator type. thing. I've always gotten. fat every year. Have to slow down. You know what I mean? My wife I've been with 40 years. in September. Same weight when I met her. She's really interested in food. She's not going to put something in. her mouth that's not good for her. She knows what it is.

She's always been this way since the. mid 80s when I met her, and. she's way healthier and I like, I. think, my brothers the same way. Like they're interested in food. Yeah. Therefore they're they're. pretty healthy actually. And it's, it's the lack of. curiosity. Like I never think about. pizza pizza's good. Like that's what I know. And the basic way to start with that. curiosity is read labels, right? If there's, if there's ingredients. on a. Package, am I reading it? Well, not to you, but like, you. know, it's like my it might be. interesting for people to just look. at labels. And if you can't. understand a word on that package,

like what these ingredients are, if. you can't visualize it, you probably. shouldn't be putting. What food do you think makes you. feel best? Since we're talking about food, like, what do you really enjoy. eating? When you eat it, you're. like, I feel great. This is actually good for me. I can feel that it's good for me. Well, I mean, for me, it's the. freshest possible foods. Foods that I you know, that I know. the farmer and I got it from the. farmer's market, and they're. beautiful. And I think this is this, this sort of gaslighting. I think there's been this incredible. dissociation. It's it's indoctrinated. us from childhood to not trust our. intuition. Right. Like to think that we have to we.

have to give our power away because. we're dumb and we're not smart, and. it's built into every level. The healthcare system. I mean, in. many American states, patients don't. even own their healthcare records. because basically, doctors don't. don't trust patients in. understanding that they can. understand. They don't they. Don't own them like the doctor the. hospital does. Because we have so. built in this idea that patients are. not smart enough to understand their. own. So from, from and. this even plays into HIPAA and all. these laws about patient privacy. It's like, oh, you know, we have to. we have to sequester. Have you ever tried to get your health. care records is impossible, right.

Because we I don't know my own blood. type and I don't know anyone else. who knows this. That's what this. Is by design, right? Because if you can. So we would. tell you because if you can keep. people ignorant about their own. health, then there's a power dynamic. where you can sort of give them any. solution. So let's get back to food, because I think a lot of this comes. back to trusting our intuition. When I every Sunday after. I go to the farmer's market, I lay. out all the food, you know, the. venison that came from, you. know, someone who owns a beautiful. ranch outside of LA, the the. beautiful heirloom tomatoes.

that are colorful with purples, the, the watermelon radishes. And I lay it all out on my counter. and I literally pray with it like, this is this is. inspiring to me. This is all the atoms and the. molecules that over the next week. or two, are going to make up. my cells. They are going to become me. I am going to take on the. characteristics of this food. And I know I look at that food and. if I stop and let myself trust my. intuition, I know this food is. healthy for me. I just know it. You and. But we've been so divorced. from our common sense by design.

There's no fat giraffes, right? There's no there's no they know. Right. But we've been told that we. can't understand. Every sixth grader in America. can understand basic biology, metabolic health and nutrition. But we have been told it's too. complicated. Like Kelly said, by. design, confusion is the product. So to to answer your question, what. makes me feel good? It's the freshest, most beautiful. foods that I have complete on or. off. Or because those molecules. and atoms are going to go into my. body, they're going to heal me.

They're going to heal anything. that's going wrong. They're going to. change my gene expression. They're going to fortify my immune. system. They're going to make. they're going to feed my microbiome, which makes 95% of my serotonin, which lets me think and have. creative ideas and love my partner. and all these things. It's going to be my partner and my. bodies and my future children's. bodies. Right? And so I am in awe. and reverence of food. And I think that and I. do. I bless it because. it's going to become me. And I think we need to get back to. that appreciation. The medical authorities what again, take policy side.

What if our medical leaders. started talking about this? We have a medical crisis. Anybody talking? We have a medical crisis. We have a medical crisis right now. And that is the science that. is following the science. Right. And that should be the. message from doctors. And and in your case, you I don't. want to gloss over this. There's a there's a metabolic health. crisis among. babies that are born. Mothers are passing metabolic. dysfunction and essentially almost. pre-diabetes on to kids in mass.

That's how bad this has gotten. Like kids are being born with. dysfunctional microbiomes and. metabolic dysfunction. And like, you know, literally, I've. talked to Harvard doctors about. that. I talked to on one of the. podcast about this to a Harvard. doctor, and she said, that's a case. for was epic that that babies are. being born with such horrible. metabolic dysfunction that we need. to start jabbing them very well. I say that's a sign of a crisis. Well, and the fact. That babies are being born sick is. actually, you know, maybe not. Maybe we shouldn't be doing more of. the same and just keep drugging them. more. We should actually be asking.

why, baby, there's a metabolic. health crisis among babies. Yeah, there's a crisis in the way. that we think. Yeah, I think it's the root. Of a lot of I think. It's, you know, the biggest. societal, I think, dynamic. historical dynamic of the past, you. know, decade has been this populist. uprising towards institutions. I don't think people can quite put. their finger on it all the time, but. there's this frustration that we're. being really being let down to me, what's happening to our health and. the line that's how about your. health and the fact that we're not. hearing things like this and hearing. that drugs are our saviors and just. keep doing more the same from.

industries that are profiting from. that sickness? To me, it is actually is the number. one example. What's fueling this. populist frustration? Health care is the largest industry, and it's something that's impact. These incentives, I think, I would. argue, are impacting Americans. across the kitchen table and impact. our lives more than any other. industry. Can I just ask one last question, too? One of the things I noticed. about both of you is your mental. acuity. Obviously you're smart. But it's more than just smart. You're sharp and fast, and. you have very quick recall. You're just crisp in. I notice when people talk is I talk. thinking, how.

big enough? So food, bad food dulls you? I've always noticed that. Absolutely. Well, I mean, one of the. For so many reasons, Tucker. But I mean, to name a couple of. them, you know, if you. have a big blood sugar swing, which the average American, because. the vast majority of our calories. are coming from ultra processed food. that turn into glucose in our. bloodstream, blood sugar, right. When you have a big glucose spike. and crash that is associated. with reduced fact, recall. literally that crash and spike, you. know, like the post-meal crash, like. you eat something and then you might.

feel lethargic afterwards. That's in part because your blood. sugar is skyrocketing and crashing. The average American child is. probably on this roller coaster all. day long. We want stable, steady. blood sugar levels, so we're not. making. Us dumber than that. So it's and then so that's the short. term right. Over the long term we're. building the machine of the body out. of shoddy materials. Right. And that's going to impact. our brains. It's going to impact. our, you know, the. way that our we think and, you know, our microbiome makes a lot. of our neurotransmitters. And we are just trashing our. microbiome now. Right. With ultra processed food. No fiber. Fiber feeds the.

microbiome. The 95% of Americans. aren't getting enough fiber. So. we're not feeding the thing inside. of us that makes our neurotransmitters. That helps us think this is. insanity. And then we're trashing. the microbiome with antibiotics, which destroy our meat. We're overusing antibiotics like. crazy, which destroy. our microbiome and increase our risk. of depression. And other is. Three times more suicidal in the. year after taking them. So. Oh, so there is just. it's all out warfare. and it makes you kind of step back. and think like what's happening.

here? Like we have this kind of. like, hey, sort of like doled out. dumb. You know, I'm not saying the. Americans. I'm saying that like it's. makers. Forces, that it's. Reducing our icu's. It's making us lose our minds early. with Alzheimer's. It's making our. kids not able to sit down and learn. because of ADHD and autism rates. that are skyrocketing. And it's all going up all at once. And we know it's because of our. toxic food systems and the chemicals. in our environment, and we're not. protecting kids. And that is very sinister. And I think, you know, on the.

biggest macro level, like. the kind of the most zoomed out. spiritual level, like, I think, you know, what we have to realize. is that, like, we are miracles, like every human is a miracle. This life is a miracle. Like, this is weird. I mean, spiritual beings having this. insane experience on planet Earth. And fundamentally, the thing that we're doing with. metabolic health is we're making. energy in the body, right? The way we're doing that is we're. taking food that got its energy. from the sun, right? Like the sun, literally. Photosynthesis happens.

It creates starches in plants, and then we eat them or animals eat. them. And what metabolism. is, is taking the starches. that are stored energy from the sun. through photosynthesis, liberating. it in our bodies to create energy to. fuel our minds and to fuel our. bodies so that we can think and. reach our highest purpose. And right now, in the vast majority. of Americans, are toxic. Food system is blocking that. process, which means it's blocking. the miraculous process of. essentially taking this beautiful. this is not woowoo. This is just fact of science taking. this universal sun.

light energy and liberating it to. fuel our lives. That is broken. This is dark. This is very dark. Americans are not only sick, but. the core process of being able to. create, you know, and transform. Energy is broken. And we need to fix this because we. we need all hands on deck right now. in America to solve these big. issues. And we need to be thinking. properly, feeling good. And we can rapidly with some. of these simple changes. I don't think I can add to that. And as I said an hour ago, I. do think you're going to change the. world. I mean that, I mean that and.

this is the book I never I never do. this because it feels so grubby and. commercial. But in this case, I mean. it good energy. And that was good enough. Thank you, thank you. Thank you Tucker.