Bill Gates, Truth About Vaccines, & Big Pharma’s Plot to Destroy Doctors Who Question ”The Science”

So thank you for doing this. I think you're a hero. I just want to say that this is not going to be an objective interview. I want to thank you for everything you've done and I want to hear a story. But I want to begin with. a statement from the president. just out now. This is Donald J. Trump. on Truth Social. And I'm quoting. It is very important that the drug companies justify the success. of their various Covid drugs... Many people think they're a miracle that saved millions of lives. Others disagree. with the CDC now being ripped apart over this question.

I want the answer and I want it now in all caps. I've been shown information from Pfizer and others. that is extraordinary. But they never seem to show those results to the public. Why not? They go off the next hunt and let everyone rip themselves apart, including Bobby Kennedy Jr. And the CDC... trying to figure out the success or failure of the drug company's Covid work. They show me great numbers and results, but they don't seem to be showing them to many others. And I want them to show them now. to CDC and the public and clear up this mess one way or the other. I hope that Operation Warp Speed was brilliant,

as many say it was... If not, we all want to know about it and why. Thank you for your attention to this very important matter. President DJT. Wow.

What does that mean? that is That's a total reversal. From what I can't say it's a total reversal... I'm really. I'm encouraged by those words. Significantly encouraged. It's been a struggle. with. this whole Operation Warp Speed and with what... we know. Yes, being physicians practicing. we. Being physicians practicing, but not all physicians practicing. We talked about this earlier, you know, where.

a very small percentage of us actually quote, unquote. No. yes. And. But to hear that coming from him, where... he may actually be questioning. the Operation Warp Speed numbers that were put behind him. and that were given to him. before... is a really, really interesting twist. Pretty unbelievable. that. he has to send something like this out considering that... companies like Pfizer and Moderna... and their executives are all billionaires. because. of federal tax dollars. So, like, these are not really.

I mean, they're publicly traded companies, but they're not in some kind of private sector business. They are government. contractors. We're forced to take their products. We have no recourse if those products hurt us. because they have full immunity... And so they're getting rich. from our tax dollars. But we don't get to See the numbers, like, maybe... Maybe someone should go to jail, like, right away. What numbers is he seeing that he says have been really impressive numbers. that we're not seeing? Well, this Bourla, the veterinarian. Bourla guy, right... Who I think is not a. He's a vet.

Right. And you're a surgeon, but they try to put you in prison for the rest of your life. He's a vet, correct. But Bourla is now a billionaire. because. he is involved in a scam where U.S. Tax dollars go into his pocket, and there's nothing we can do about it... And if you complain about it, by The way. then they shut you down and censor you and they try to arrest. you or they do arrest you. So this Bourla creep, this ghoul has been showing up at the. He's been at the White House a bunch, I think. And. he's been spinning. And Donald Trump has called him out, saying, hey,

this is my best friend, or not best friend, but this is a, you know, really good friend of mine, you know, Bourla And. you know, and. And. kind of praised what they've done. Yeah. How about I call you when my dog has puppies? Okay. Like, what are you doing?.. What is this? Anyway, sorry, sorry, sorry. So, but. But Trump's position. up until apparently this morning, as far as I know, right. Has been Operation Warp Speed, which. he. Saved millions of lives. Saved millions of lives. It was like Jonas Salk's polio vaccine.

And so this does. So the last line in here is, it was. It was brilliant, as many say it was. If not, we want to know what happened. And that's. That's. Like I said, that is the first time that I've heard him. maybe somewhat question. the. effectiveness. or, you know, what actually was behind Operation Warp Speed. You know, Operation Warp Speed was a DoD operation. It was run by a general. Okay, General Perna. And, you know, there's a lot of evidence out there.

And Sasha Latapova and Catherine Watt and a lot of people have put out information. that essentially. DoD. is who developed. these jabs, these Covid vaccines... And then they, in turn. asked Pfizer and... Moderna to slap their label on it. for money. and then distribute them because it was a military operation in terms of this whole. What's the U.S. Military doing in my healthcare? Look,

there's all kinds of agencies that are out there, and I. They have all these acronyms. Asper Barda, darpa. I couldn't begin to tell you what the, you know, what they stand for, but. it's you know, it's crazy how much. it was a change... in. biological warfare when... we. Back. I think I want to say in the 70s, when chasing. or... biological warfare became a crime. And we said we were going to get rid of everything that we do.

and all of these biological weapons and all of these things here that, you know, that we could use to kill people by, you know, with clouds of, you know, kind of germs. Okay. Lyme disease. Lyme disease. Excuse me... Oh, sorry. But when. So when we change. When we made... We actually passed a lot. It's a federal law that says we're not allowed to do that. Yeah, yeah. We signed a convention, I think. Yes. And. But what happened is. just like,

just like the scientists from. Operation Paperclip went to the tobacco industry. Okay. And then from the tobacco industry. to the food industry. The, the scientists that went from these biological weapons. development programs went to. essentially a. An umbrella organization... that was used... to combat... biological warfare. So they used it under the auspices of. We are going to develop these things.

as an antidote or as a treatment... for the potential bioweapons that somebody else. Yeah. We're going to need to keep our research. going. right. To defend ourselves against the Russian bio program. And that's why we need all these biolabs in Ukraine and. Shut up, conspiracy theorist. If you ask about them. I will say as someone who... smoked for many years and also got Lyme disease, that I got a lot more out of smoking than I did at a Lyme disease. Okay. Right, right. So those are like, I guess. two products of government programs, and one was a lot better than the other from my perspective.

So. Okay. I just had to. I want a perspective on this. So that was my. Yeah, I'm. I mean, you said that came out this morning. I had not seen that. Yeah, I know. Everything up until this point was, you know, operation Warp Speed, save lives. Operation Warp Speed, save millions of lives. You know, it's the best thing, you know, the best thing that ever happen happened. I'm so proud of what we did and, you know, and everything else. And like you said, he's been pushing, you know, the Pfizer and Moderna CEOs and everything else and what a great. job they did and everything else. I'm really interested to see what numbers it is that they're showing. them that they can't show the public. We could fix all of this just by stripping them of their immunity.

I don't. Do you have blanket immunity. Oh, my Gosh.. In your job. So I don't have blanket immunity. Oh, you don't? I don't either, actually. So I get. sued or whatever. So why do they have blanket immunity? Well, one, vaccines have blanket immunity from the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury act. correct. and then the PREP act in 2005. So the PREP act in 2005... further extended that. That when they declare a state of emergency, then everybody, there's no.

There's no liability. So now everything done under EUA... has no liability. And as a matter of fact, the law even says. that our judicial branch can't even review that law. So how is that constitutional? And how has that not been challenged?.. We're talking 20 years here. where we had a legislative body in 2005 and signed by the president... George Bush at the time. that basically said that anything that's passed under emergency use authorization. has no liability and the judicial. branch of our government can't review it.

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above the Supreme Court of The United States sits the vaccine... industry. and they're like the gods. They're Zeus and Jupiter. And there's literally nothing we can do. nothing we can do. Yeah. Okay. Okay. None of this. I'm glad you figured that out. It's dawning slowly. I knew that I committed some kind of blasphemy, but I wasn't exactly sure against whom. But it's against Albert Bourla... The vet. And I am going to call him next time my dog gets distemper,

eats another mop. And I need someone to. pull the strands out. swallows a sock or something. exactly Excuse me. I love vets. He's a discredit to the business. Okay, your story. You're a surgeon. You live in. In Utah. you are from a military family. Your dad was a test pilot, flew over 100 missions in Vietnam. So you've been around the government a lot. Obviously, you grew up in a government world. Covid happens. 2020. Let's begin your story there.

So, yeah. What were you doing? What was. What was your reaction to it? So Covid happens. I'm, you know, I'm operating, operate two days a week. I see patients two, three days a week. I operate Tuesday, Thursday. I actually listen to podcasts, probably listen to a lot of your shows. You know, 2020. I was probably listening to a lot of Dan Bongino. yeah. and, you know, and I also follow a guy that I used to do a lot of options trading with, and he used to trade his options based upon current world events. And so he was talking about the whole Covid thing.

So all through January, February, and early March, you know, he's doing trades and he's talking about, you know, all of this stuff that was happening with covid and all of the people. that were killing over in... In China and all the lockdowns that were happening and how it expanded into Italy, and now it was into Spain. and. all this stuff. And I. I had. I'm busy. Okay. And. so I don't have a lot of time to do a lot of my own research and. look into all of this stuff... I mean, I'm conservative by nature, anyway. I.

I mean, I'm, you know, Republican, probably more libertarian than I am Republican. But, you know, I. I had no reason to doubt what was going on. So on March 17, Tuesday afternoon, I get home. I must... have seen something on the tv. We'd already had some lockdowns in some of the states in this country. We'd already had Italy, had. Had gone into complete lockdown in Spain. And so at that point, I. Again, without knowing anything anymore, I called my office manager, and I said, hey. we're not gonna... We're gonna cancel all surgeries.

We're gonna close the doors. I can't. risk getting sick, bringing it home to my kids. And so let's just have somebody. Just have one person in the office. Let's lock the doors. have one person there answering the phones. And so we did that on March 17th. In other words, you took it very seriously. I did, because I didn't know anything about it. I agree. Okay. Me too... And. And I tell this story all the time. It wasn't 24, 36 hours that I had done a total 180,

a complete 180, by Thursday morning, March, so 19th. Okay. I was like, oh, my gosh. I got to open the doors back up. By this time, I had already canceled my surgeries. I couldn't really just turn around and, you know, do everything. So. But by that time, I realized that it was all fake... And. in two days? In two days. how? I got online and started reading articles. I got online and started reading about viruses and refreshing. myself on microbiology.

and going back to kind of basic. What I felt was basic science and trying to understand, hey, how do these things work? How does you know? How does an epidemic happen? How does a pandemic happen?.. And then you realize that they changed the definition of pandemic some time. before that so that it would apply. I realized that at the time that they declared. it wasn't the pandemic yet. but they declared some sort of kind of international emergency and, like, in the middle of January, and then the WHO... declared their fake PHEIC pandemic.

Okay? The public health emergency of international concern. Okay. And that's what that stands for. I think they do this all on purpose. Okay. But when you. sound it out, it's fake. Okay. And, you know, I realized that. there actually were only 44 cases. of covid. total... in the whole world by the end of January. And there was one death due to that. And the one death was to. I think he was a physician, actually an ophthalmologist in China at the time. And they supposedly had isolated this.

I don't know how they isolated it. They didn't have. You know, they didn't have a test then. Didn't have anything that was available for them to isolate it. So again, the whole thing just kind of started falling apart. You knew there was lying at this time? I knew there was all kinds of lying going on. And then I started so Then I started going, okay, well, what can I do about it? So I knew it was a lie, but what can I do about it? And the first huge flag to me. was. when we were told that as physicians, there's no treatment. You can't treat this.

Well, last I'd heard, Covid. is a flu like illness. Nausea, malaise, fever, chills. loss of taste and smell, which happened in the flu anyway. Nothing was, you know, nothing was pathognomonic, which means nothing was directly attributed only to this one disease. And so what did we used to do for the flu? Treat them symptomatically. Give them, I, you know, give them something for their fever, Give them something for their flu symptoms, Give them something for the sinus infection. Give them something for whatever it is that, you know, whatever their problems were.

If they're having diarrhea, then you give them something to help with their diarrhea, whatever their symptoms were. You would treat those symptoms. Well, why weren't we treating those symptoms? We just weren't. It was like all of a sudden, there's no treatment. So. Can I ask. I mean, and it's. especially relevant to you, the rest of us are just trying to figure out what the hell's going on. You're a doctor in. practice, clinical practice. You're seeing patients. You're a surgeon, and you're a licensed physician. How do you. get that guidance? How do you know that? Like, who tells you we just don't have treatment for this?

Well, I mean, the media was telling us we don't have treatment for it. Right. And Fauci was telling us that there's no treatment for it. yeah. And just wait till you're turning, you know, you turn blue in the face, you can't get up, you're, you know, on death's doorstep and call an ambulance. And then we'll treat you and we'll take care of you. But is there a special doctor website you go to? I mean, your neighbors are probably like, hey, you're a doctor. What should I do about this covid thing? That's right. So people are calling me. Yeah. So I'm treating them the way I would have treated any other flu, like illness. okay. That's what I was doing. I have a lot of primary care experience in addition to my plastic surgery.

I. was in the military for three years. So I took care of light squadrons for three years as a primary care doc for, you know, for pilots in a, you know, in a squadron, in addition to taking care of people in a clinic. And I moonlighted in Emergency rooms at least twice a day or twice a week for, you know, 12, 24 hour shifts. So I did that for eight years. Okay. I was going back during my residency, I would leave for a weekend, and I would go back to Meridian, Mississippi, and I would work... from.

6pm on a Friday night until 10am on a Sunday... So I'd leave my. training... on Friday afternoon on the weekend that I was not on call, and I would go. And I would work in an emergency room until 10am on Sunday and. get on a flight and go back. damn. So I did that in order to supplement my income, but it also gave me a lot of experience, and they gave me a lot more primary care experience than what we. typically would have gotten out of, you know, another surgery resident or plastic surgery resident. So I just fell back on my experience. And. But again, I hated microbiology in medical school,

okay? Just. I... despised it, didn't like it. Looking at, you know, bugs in a microscope and reading. And so I always relied on the pathologist to say, hey, this is your lab test. This is what we grew out of your microbiology sample. And then this is what it's sensitive to. And so I go, okay, well, you need that antibiotic. Here you go. Okay. Yeah. That's. That was my microbiology experience through practice, okay? But I had to go back and review all that stuff. So I. So I did. And I just. I got online because it was. Nothing was online back then when I was in school, but I was just able to get back on there and read articles.

and read journal articles. on... I was pulling things from libraries, you know, because I have privileges at a hospital, or I did then. I don't anymore, but... I did then. So I had access to their library. So I would. I would send them, hey, I want to see this article. Give me the. Because I would read the abstract online. I go, I want to read this article... So they would send me the article, and I'd usually get it within 12 to 24 hours. And so that's what I was doing. I mean, I did that throughout this whole time. And. And I realized that there were a lot of, you know, a lot of...

discrepancies, let's say, and a lot of lies that I was getting out of. Fauci and Burks. and all the people that were, you know, that were talking about it. Every once in a while you would hear something, you know, like a little... bleep from Scott Atlas or Paul Alexander, who... in the White House at that time, who were kind of like, you know, like. they're on our side, I guess. Where they would say, hey, this. right. This really isn't what's happening. So, I mean, I use the analogy a lot...

with what they told us about covid... with what I had a lot of experience with at that time, and that was breast cancer. So. the analogy to me. about no treatment for. this disease. was analogous to somebody coming to me as a plastic surgeon, as breast cancer surgeon, saying, hey, you have a lady here who's got a small little nodule on her breast that we've. either seen on mammogram or we felt. through a physical examination. But we're not going to do anything about that. until it's a big fungating wound and it's eroded through her skin.

And now you see. And you can feel lymph nodes in her groin. And we can do a CT scan and see, you know, that she's got metastases to her brain and to her, you know, to her lungs. That was the analogy that I was using. in explaining this to people. When we're telling people that there's no treatment for it. When you put it that way. It's horrifying. It is horrifying. It was an. And it was an absolute lie. because, you know, there is treatment. We've always treated the flu, okay?

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That's a problem. Yeah. It's actually more like 99% Okay. It's a very small percentage of us. Yeah. I've never been to the doctor again, and I'm not going... because they so... disgrace themselves... And I. And I would very much like to see a lot of doctors stand trial for that. But... that'll never happen, of course. But. But anyway. But why didn't. I mean, that's so obvious. cause they shut us down. I got. I got kicked off of Facebook. I got kicked off of Twitter. I was, you know,

posting articles of things that I was reading. that... at the time I could find... I've since gone back, and without going back through the Wayback Machine, it's not there. So they've taken things. They've just completely... whitewashed a lot of this stuff. And they were doing that. They were shutting us down. All these docs out there, Vladimir Zelenko, you know, who passed away from a, you know, a pulmonary angiosarcoma. But. you know, he was one of the first people that I listened to. He's the one that sent that video to Donald Trump.

He's the one, I believe, that Donald Trump saw the video of. and came out and spoke in favor of hydroxychloroquine. And then right after that, Fauci, the little gnome, gets up there and goes, oh, this is just anecdotal. And hydroxychloroquine doesn't work. Do you know that he wrote an article back in 2007, 2008, espousing the benefits of using hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine. in the treatment of SARS. Okay. And SARS1, which is the disease in the early 2000s, has a 73% homology with SARS2, the. The virus that they claim that is out there right now. yes So 73%.

They actually did a study back in 2020, and they took a number of people. I want to say it wasn't a very large number. It might have only been 10 people, but they had 10 people. Then they checked their serology, they checked their blood. for antibodies to SARS1, and they found out that all 10 of those people also had immunity to SARS2. okay? There was an article that was published out there. I can't find it anymore. Right. But they checked their blood and they checked antibodies and. they checked to see whether, in a, in a lab test, obviously, okay,

they didn't infect these people or find the virus, but they checked it against. a blood sample with somebody or a blood sample of this, of the COVID. disease, and they found that they killed the COVID disease, all 10 of them. So if you survive SARS 1, okay, and you had antibodies to it, which. I'm sure it was circulating widely, okay? And it's a reason why not. A lot of people died. They had, they had immunity to SARS 2, but they didn't want that out there. And that was the whole objective, is they don't want that information out there because if there's treatment,

okay, you can't announce for, you can't. declare a state of emergency and get the emergency use authorization. and then launch the covid vaccine. I mentioned before that I had three things that I saw that were... red flags to me. The first one was the treatment, okay? The second one was. every. single country, every single. government. in the world... was doing the exact same thing. You and I can't agree on whether you want baked potatoes or. sweet potatoes for Thanksgiving dinner, okay?

But yet you have 208 countries that are going to do the exact same thing when the. Everybody was in lockstep, okay?.. Absolute everybody is doing the same thing. They're taking these drugs off the market. Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine are over the counter in France. And they. got taken off the market. Oh, yeah. And, you know, we got the, I, I was ordering hydroxychloroquine for my office, okay. And for about six months, eight months, I couldn't get it. was gone... Just, I couldn't order it. I was on back order. It was, you know, I, I,

I had ordered some because I was having my patients come in and I. was treating them in the office with hydroxychloroquine. and I'm not allowed to dispense medications, but I was having them come in because they couldn't get it. I, I was writing so many prescriptions for hydroxychloroquine in, in, in March, late March, early April of 2020, that. the pharmacies, the Walgreens pharmacies that I used a lot of in the town that I, that I'm in right now. they called me and they said, we don't have any more. We can't get anymore. I had wiped them out of all their hydroxychloroquine without just.

writing it from my patients, my family, my friends, and everybody else. Because I. I was just like, hey, here's Zelenko's protocol, okay? Hydroxychloroquine, Zithromax, vitamin C, vitamin D, and zinc. And I was. And I was just telling everybody, I just. I took exactly what he did and what he was treating, because I think he treated 800 patients by that time, and he'd only had one patient die. And that patient had only come to him more than three weeks out from starting, you know, from getting sick... None of his patients had died... None of my patients died. Everybody that I treated, and I treated people from 2020...

until 2022, 2023, okay? And I'm still treating occasional patient for Covid. I'm. I'm not sure it exists, but. But I treat the symptoms, and I treat them all the same way... Not one of my patients died. Not one of them went to the hospital. Not one of them got intubated. Okay? Not one of them got any more sick. As a matter of fact, I had. I can't tell you the number of times that somebody would call me and they would. take a dose of ivermectin or take a dose of hydroxychloroquine, and within.

hours, they're like, I can breathe. I can feel better. Okay... Is it a placebo? I don't know. But my point is, it happened over and over and over again. And. like I said, none of these patients got sick. I've heard that... from other physicians, the small number who. prescribed that protocol... and had similar results. What's interesting about. what you're saying is that you believe. that. the treatment, Specific treatments for. Covid were banned by governments because they were effective.

Yeah, because if they have a treatment, then they can't. And they can't announce or they can't declare a state of emergency. and have an emergency use authorization. That law requires that there is no treatment for them to then put. The third flag to me. was the vaccine... Nothing's going to get back to normal until you put a needle in everybody's arm. 8.4 billion people on this earth need a needle in their arm in order to. survive and to be a member of a contributing member of society. So that was strike number three from. me. I remember.

very early in 2020, there was a study out of China that showed that heavy cigarette smokers. had a lower mortality rate. which was, like, kind of unforgettable. I mean, what. it was. This is a respiratory illness, and smokers are doing better than not. Like, what is that? And... the conclusion that they reached was that nicotine has some. kind of prophylactic effect. I don't. I never followed up, but I did notice that. the European Union almost... immediately banned online sales of nicotine pouches.

what? What is that? I mean, you don't want to let your brain go there, but, like. Well, again, they'll call it a conspiracy. theory, but it's not. It's an actual. Well, that's a fact. I mean, that's. I'm just saying what happened. But, like, what is that? And. And it's done on purpose because. they want to launch this vaccine. That's what they're trying to do. Man, Well, that just raises a whole bunch of other questions that I've been.

mulling over for the past five years. But anyway, I'm sorry, I'm stepping on your story. Okay, so you're. within two days. of. taking Covid seriously. Now, you flipped your view based on the evidence. As a practicing physician, you start prescribing the Zelenko regimen to people. It works. And then the final red flag, the vaccine. What happened? We started hearing about the vaccine. Probably, I don't know, late spring, early summer,

you know, May, April. Well, you know, late April, May ish. Of. 2020, was when people are like, hey, I think we're going to get a vaccine and we're going to have something, you know, in short order. And before I knew a whole bunch about it. I don't even know if I'd heard the. The term operation warp speed yet. But, you know, I. I mentioned earlier that... I don't really like vaccines. I don't think they help. I've had arguments with friends, family. I've had arguments with colleagues that I no longer talk to over vaccines. I mean,

it's a cult, and they say that we're a cult. People that believe in vaccines is a cult... It's a belief system. It's not based on science. It's not based on anything. I got. my hepatitis B vaccine when I started medical school in 1989. I got one shot... within... hours. I had shingles. I mean, I had real bad passion. of shingles in my left armpit, and it hurt like hell. And I just. But I remember it very distinctly. I didn't get the second one. I didn't get the third one... Nobody was chasing me down, okay? Nobody.

So just because I didn't get it, I wasn't like some pariah somewhere. And they were. But you had a demonstrable vaccine injury. But I had, well, what I felt was a, you know, vaccine injury. I. I mean, I'm just starting medical school. I don't know, but I'm. I have enough common sense, okay, to, to know and to think that, hey. you know, the timeliness of this, that I, you know, what happened to me? Why am I getting a shingles, you know, eruption when I've never had shingles in my past. And. you're a healthy man in your 20s. I'm a healthy guy in my 20s. I'm playing soccer three days a week.

You know, you don't have immune suppression that you're aware of. Suppression that I'm aware of. I don't have any problems, but I get this huge patch of shingles that hurt like hell. And, you know, so I just, I refused any other vaccine. And. But I. At the time we're talking, you know, 1989, nobody's chasing me now, you see people that are kind of like, you know, you see the military, you, you see, hear stories. I just heard a story the other day... of. a guy who was in the army. rotc, did nothing but want to be in the army for his whole life.

And he joined the army... and he was kicked out of the army because. he. was standing there with his CO. with paperwork that said, if you don't get this vaccine and we have to. fire you or kick you out of the army, you are going to owe all this money back. We... Or you can take this needle. Okay, That's. That was exactly the state that what they. bow down before me and all of this will be yours. You know, look, and to his credit, he said no,

and... he signed the papers and he left. Funny story, they called him back. you know, just a year ago, and they're down on some deployment in Mexico with his unit, and they called him and said, where are you? Like, they expected him to be there. okay. yeah. we gotta go fight the Houthis. Right? Come on. So anyway, but because he's so into the army and really liked him, he actually ended up joining again. But my point being is... what a nice guy.

Yeah. I mean, certainly nicer than me. But. But, yeah, but that's the, you know, that, that was the, that that was the mentality back then where there was just kind of like, okay, you don't want it, you don't have to have it. We're just trying to do it for your best interest. You know, but there was no coercion. There's no. Nobody is forcing me to do anything. You know, flip that around. Okay, where, you know, the first person that I see is Bill Gates saying that, well, nothing's going to be back to normal unless you get a needle in your arm. Well, who fuck is Bill Gates? exactly Is he a doctor?

So I. Well, I think he slept at a Holiday Inn Express last night... So. Well, so that's like kind of the irony here is that we were told. you know, for several years to trust the science and to listen to people. who actually practice medicine. And you're a man of science... and you practice medicine, you're a surgeon. So. I would think that your opinion would have more weight than Bill Gates, who's like some autistic rich guy who is really close to Jeffrey Epstein. What does he have to do with this? Fall is here and so is fall fashion.

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I mean, I'm no more No more of an expert than. Than anybody else is from the standpoint of being a doctor. Okay, but why are some doctors being shut off and some are not. Well, if that's, you know Look, Anthony Fauci knows... Never took care of a patient in his life. Okay? He. He did his residency at the NIH. He did his training at the NIH. He's a federal bureaucrat. And he's a bureaucrat. Okay. Deborah Burks the same way. I mean, she did some stuff in the Military, But I think she was all kind of all administrative, never took care of patients. And so all of a sudden, we're supposed to trust these people that never,

Never been on the front lines, never took care of patients, have never seen an illness, are just looking at it from the standpoint of reading a book or reading. an article or listening to some podcast or listening to some, you know, going to some meetings or something like that. Okay. And we're. And all of a sudden these are, you know, that they, you know, kind of like the media proclaimed experts and all this. I'll tell you, before 2020, I'd been in practice exactly 19 years, okay? I graduated from. I graduated. Well, so let's count medical school. I. I graduated from medical school in 1993,

all right? And then from 1993 to 2020, I had been to the CDC website to ask them advice. on what I needed to do for my practice. Exactly. zero times, okay?.. Zero. There's never any reason for anybody, at least my perspective, to go to the cdc. I'm reading articles, I'm listening to my colleagues, I'm talking, you know, I'm, I'm. I, I go to meetings. I, you know, I, I kind of. review cases with some of my friends and some of my. colleagues about certain things, but I've never,

never gone to the cdc. So a practicing physician trying to keep current with the science would have. No, would. You're apparently doing. Would have no reason to consult cdc. No, none. There's nothing that the CDC is going to put out... that is, you know, that is. informative to me. Now, maybe they put out stuff for maybe some pediatricians or family practice docs that. maybe they follow or something like that. That I guess. But, you know, well, they're liars. I mean, they. They can't even admit that Lyme was a bioweapon,

okay? Which is very obvious to anyone who pays any attention at all. All. And all these, you know, so they're liars. So they're just discredited, I would say right there. Well, and you mentioned. Boy, did you just made me think about something. And now I can't think about it. I can't remember what I was. Because you're making. Oh, oh, oh. The first, the even. The very first one of the very first articles that was even. put out on the CDC website. about COVID... okay? About COVID.

Said that of all the people that had supposedly died of... Of COVID... okay, only 6% of them. did not have a comorbidity, meaning that... they. Only 6% of the people that they claimed had died from COVID. actually died just with COVID. Right. And the rest were in, like, a motorcycle accident or at stage four pancreatic cancer. Right. Or had two other comorbidities. The average. The average comorbidity was 2.2. So in other words, they had two other diseases that were going on at the same time.

Just happened to have advanced COPD. Advanced copd. and diabetes. Diabetes. Or, you know, or morbid obesity or something along those lines. And then they died of COVID You know, the. The real answer is they may have died with COVID... Okay. But... they. They probably died from something else. And you mentioned that. Well, but I mean. Okay, so you're the. You're the science. Professional science guy. If. If you catch someone lying, I mean, that, like, invalidates everything else, doesn't it?

It should. I mean, lying is the one thing that's. not allowed in science. It's science. The. The process. is designed to be for honesty, right? For clarity. Like, we. We can't lie about... anything. I thought that was the whole point of science. Yeah. So the whole point of science is not to lie. And the whole point is to never. believe... that there's not something that can be improved on it. Science is never... including to yourself. You can't lie to yourself. Correct. Science is never such a settled. and.

And, you know, a number of times where, you know, well, this is settled science. No, it's not... Okay? And I'll tell you the. It's a much bigger picture, okay? Big Pharma, I call them Big harma, okay? They own everything, right? There's a number... of. journals... that... have come out or editors, past. chief editors of journals. And we're not talking just, you know, like some throwaway journals.

We're talking New England Journal of Medicine, Lancet, British Medical Journal, okay? Some of the biggest journals in the world. Those are top three out of the top four that I just named. Journal of the American Medical association is the other one. But chief editors, in the last 20 years, at least six of them. have come out and said that at least. 50% of the science that's published is fake. Come on. read their quotes. Marcia angel. is one of them that I can remember her name. There's a guy by the name of Richard something or other from the British.

Medical Journal who said the same thing. I just. I just read an article about it just the other day. I'll send it to you because its.. I'm not surprised. I mean, the depth of corruption is. Is stunning. And. And the Fact that. pretty much nothing's been done about it makes you wonder, you know, how long this can all last. So back to your story, which I keep distracting from my. I'm sorry. You're making me mad. So it's. It's hard to keep... focused. So... the vaccine is announced. What. How do you respond to that?

What happens next? Well, so for me, the vaccine was fine because I was just telling all my patients, all my friends, all my family, just like I was doing from previous vaccines. So my daughter was only partially vaccinated. My son was not. I have only had one vaccine in the last 20 years, and that was a. yellow fever shot so that I can go on humanitarian trip to go to Ghana. That was it. I tried to bribe the nurse. to not give it to me and squirt it in the garbage, and she wouldn't do it. But I figured, hey, one shot maybe. Okay. I'll be all right.

I think I am. Some people argue. but. when it came out, I was just, you know, I'm just telling everybody, don't, don't. Don't take it. It's not worth it. You know, we. We've been trying to try to. We've been trying to find a vaccine for cancer for. 100 years. We've been trying to find a vaccine for AIDS for the last 40. And now all of a sudden, we're going to find the. The vaccine for the common cold virus in less than nine months... that's been with us since the dawn of time. no. So I was just really happy just to tell everybody,

don't, you know, don't take it. It's not worth it... It's too risky. It's experimental. Just stay away from... it. And I thought we were going to be just fine. And nobody wanted to give Donald Trump credit for the vaccine. prior to the election. I'm sure you remember that. And then as soon as Biden gets elected, you know, they're like, I'll never take that vaccine. I do. You know, Biden, Kamala Harris, like, oh, that's the Trump vaccine. No way. I'm not going to touch it. January 20th of 2020 comes around. All of a sudden, oh, it's, you know,

everybody should get it. It's the greatest thing, you know, and all that. And then... And then when they found out that... people were not. Did not want it. they started forcing it and they started talking about, well, it's free. You should get it. You see, get. Get your free donuts, get your free Happy Meal. You know, all of this stuff that was out there trying to just convince people... to get it. California is trying to pass laws so that 13 year old kids could get it. without their parents permission.

I mean there was a case in. Virginia, I believe where a 13 year old kid. or 16 year old kid actually. told the doctor that he didn't want it. The doctor gave it to him anyway and they ended up filing a lawsuit. And I think they lost that lawsuit. Actually the family won the lawsuit. Let's say that the doctor did lose that lawsuit. good. But. you know, that's, you know, but I was, okay, I'm just telling everybody, don't do it. It. then... the mandates happen.

You're not going to be able to go to school without a shot... You're not going to be able to have a job without a shot. You're not going to be able to travel without a shot. So people that whose job depended on them traveling, you're not going to be able to stay in the military without... getting your Covid shot. And the worst case to me was... people that were. mandated to get a... potentially dangerous. Well, I already knew it was dangerous. I'd already met a number of people that had already been vaccine injured. There were 700... various deaths that were reported. I knew one of them in January. 2021. I knew someone who dropped dead.

From it. And there were 700 Yep. reported deaths in the month of January... alone. Okay. Just in one month. And that's from vaers That's self reporting. self reporting. Correct. Okay. Or self reporting or reported by, you know, a physician. Actually. Physicians are actually required to report. complications. Okay. It's a, it's a law. You're required to do that... They'll get around it because they'll say, well I, I didn't really think that it was... Because the vaccine.

yeah, it's subjected. We don't know. yup. I mean we didn't really know. So I didn't report it. But there were 700 reported cases. There was this, there was a Harvard study done in the 2010, 2014, something like that that said that the VAERS reports. under. the VAERS, you know, VAERS under reports things by at least 1 to 10%. Okay. So that means we could have had. In the month of January, we could have had. 7,000 deaths or 70,000 deaths at a 1% rate. right. And there's over. 40,000 that are not over maybe I think we're right at 40,000 now.

dead. dead that have been reported. since January of 21. Okay. So that means we either have 400,000 or 4 million deaths. Okay. According, just according to those Numbers. But again, so the mandates come out. And I said that the last straw for me, not straw, but I mean the last thing. was when they were requiring people to get a transplant. If you want a transplant, you need a kidney transplant. In order to survive, you've got to go get the COVID vaccine. The official. story on 9/11.

is a complete lie. The 9/11 report... is a joke. You have... the CIA... following... two men. All over the planet and then eventually even to America. Right. And you don't tell the FBI... 9/11 Commission. cover up. So what did happen?.. What did the government... know? What did foreign governments know? There was a cover up... Why? It's been nearly 25 years. It is time Americans learned what actually happened.

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and they'd be punished for it. They'd be on trial for that. I mean, that's the cruelest thing I can imagine. We covered that. At the time. I couldn't believe. That's when you sort of lose faith in like your country's systems, right? Like. if that's the result, if someone can actually reach that conclusion and everyone around him's like, oh, no good plan. Let's have people die. unless they take this vax which we're supposedly giving. because it's life saving. We're going to just kill people if they won't obey. That's the point where you're like, we need a new system because that's evil.

well we live in a system where. if something works, everybody wants it... If something is good, everybody's going to pay for it and everybody's going to want to have it. Okay. Exactly right. But when you're coercing people and forcing people to do it, there's got to be something wrong... Okay. And I don't know, we talked about this briefly earlier. I don't know how as a physician. you. can... feel comfortable. injecting a product.

into somebody's arm. that you don't even know what's in it. Okay, the product. The product. Good question. The product data sheet, the safety data sheet that comes with it. You unfold it. It's this thing folded up in this box. Origami. It's like an origami. And you unfold it and it says intentionally left. blank on the front and back. And so you have doctors that are taking that vial that's in the same box, reconstituting it, and then injecting it into people's arms.

What did you just inject? What did you just give them? How do you know that it's safe? Where's the information? Where's the date? Because we're talking 2021, right? There is no science, no data... Nothing has been published. And nothing was going to get published. until Aaron Siri filed that FOIA request and that lawsuit, and the government required it to be published over the course. of the next nine months. So none of this information was even available. until 2022. Okay? And we still don't really know what's in these products,

okay? Everybody's talking about the lipid nanoparticle. Everybody's talking about the, you know, the, the. the product, the. MRNA and all of that stuff that's in these injections... All of the animal studies on the mRNA, all the animals died, okay? And the. One of the last articles that I read on it said this, this is not, not... ready for human use yet... Okay? And now, you know, nine months later, a year later, okay, we're injecting it into eight form for 8.4 billion people on this earth.

when it's not ready for human use... And yet we've transitioned, okay, to, to giving it to every human. Because. Anthony Fauci says that the science is settled and that he is Mr. Science. He is science itself. He is science. yup. So how. Okay, so. your perspective is really clear. It's obvious you feel a moral duty to do the right thing by your patients.

The mandates come down. Where does that leave you? Well, so that's when I made a decision to do something. And my decision at that point was... I signed up with the Utah Health Department. to become a vaccine clinic. I've never given vaccines before, but I signed up. up, said that I can probably treat this number of people. They gave me, you know, gave me the form to sign. We signed it. I became a vaccine provider for the COVID vaccine. and instead of giving the COVID vaccine, I gave saline shots to kids and I just gave the cards to their parents.

How hard was it for you to reach the. That decision, that conclusion that you're willing to do? I truly thought that this was just a decision between my patients... They're giving me a product to use. that they want me to use, but I chose not to use it because I didn't think that. the science supported it. And my patients were coming to me. and agreed with my. assessment. And therefore they, you know, they. I gave them full informed consent. And I would show them the sheet. A piece of paper says, intentionally left blank.

Do you want me to inject this into your body? Okay. And anybody who's got any common sense is going to say, no... All right? And that's exactly right. I saw you come to me as a patient and. you say, hey, I have questions about this vaccine... Should I take it? It. Okay. And I give you my. My opinion, my professional opinion is... all the animals that they treated MRNA products with lipid nanoparticles died. They said that it wasn't ready for human use... nine months later saying, now it's ready for human use in spite of the fact that we. don't have any human studies. in between this and we don't know what the studies are that they have done.

And here's your product... data sheet that says it's intentionally left blank. Would you like me to inject this into your arm? Anybody with common sense is going to say, no, thank you. And so I didn't. And I truly thought that. I was taking care of my patient, full informed consent. I'm abiding by my Hippocratic oath because like you, we just talked about this. We already knew that a lot of people had died. Okay. You knew somebody personally in January 21st that, you know, killed over dead. I didn't know anybody personally at that time.

I knew some people that had been injured from it. I did not know anybody personally. But I'm looking at the numbers, okay? 700 people. I mean, the average number. of people, I think, that have been reported, deaths reported for all vaccines combined... per month was. probably in the. low double digits. Okay. Prior to. January of 21. All right?.. In. one month, we have 700 that are reported. 19,000... adverse events.

By April, that number was 1700. okay? And I went back. dead. dead, okay?.. Reported to vaers at a 1%. to 10% number. Okay. So we're talking about 17,000 or 1.7 million people or 170,000 people. Sorry. So 17,000 to 170,000 by April... of that of just three months later. Can you explain. informed consent? My understanding was informed consent, the idea came out of or was certainly bolstered by the experience.

of... the Nuremberg trials. And we learned that the Nazi medical program, which really was one of the worst things about Nazi Germany was the way... physicians treated patients. Murdered a lot of them. But. after that, the American Medical association. made a really clear statement about. the moral requirement and legal requirement for doctors to. tell their patients that. the potential consequences of, of the treatment... is that. informed consent.

thats Informed consent. You have a right to know. Well, you, I mean, you have a right to know and I have a right to tell you. I mean, I have, I have to tell you. I have an obligation to tell you. You have an obligation. Not just the right. I have an obligation to tell you. Hey, look, this is what I think your treatment should be, okay? First of all, yes. you're coming to me with these symptoms, okay? And I'm telling you what I think that it is... And then this is what I propose as a treatment, okay? And this treatment has. these side effects and has these potential benefits. That's, that's informed consent, okay? Across the board.

And I've been doing that for years. I mean, I can't go to surgery without informed consent, okay? I have a 5 page informed consent form for my surgeries. Whatever surgery it is that I'm doing. This is the risk. This is what I, you know, this is what I'm doing and this is the reasons why we're doing it. This is what you agree to doing. But these are the risks that are involved with that, okay? I do it every single day. And that's part of medicine. That's part of what we were taught lot. It's part of the legal side of medicine too. If I don't do informed consent to my patients and then they have a complication. and they sue me and there's no informed consent on the chart,

well, I'm screwed. As you should be. And you know, but why aren't we. Why was nobody in this case? Nobody's given informed consent. How do you give informed consent on something that you don't. even know what's in it? I mean, that to me is... the, the one of the number one things. And I'm just sitting here going, but Where are all the other doctor. I mean, So you're describing a system. that was in place pre Covid in which. informed consent is the very center of the process. Like, you don't get to cut on somebody ever...

without. this formal process. Like, here are the potential consequences. But everybody, every doctor knows this, right? Right. And it's supposed to be for medications, it's supposed to be for. vaccines, it's supposed to be for injections. Any treatment. for any Treatment. Correct. But every doctor. does this. They're supposed to. It's required by law. It is required. So all of a sudden you have... every doctor participating in this. vaccine program, effectively. right. And... this is the one treatment that doesn't require informed consent.

And you're, you're the only one who notices this? I'm not the only one that noticed it. There are a lot of people that. No, I know, but. I, I, but. no, I get it. But you know what? This is the problem with vaccines, okay? You don't get informed consent even with any vaccine. You go in and talk to your doctor about the DPT vaccine, or you go in and talk to them about the Hep B vaccine. But now, by the way, I talked to you about before, Hep B vaccine, okay, was given to me when I was, you know, 20 years old, or, sorry, 24 years old when I started medical school,

okay, Because I was an at risk person. You know what it's given now? Day one of birth. Okay, Day one of birth, you were An at risk person because you were dealing with. body fluids as a physician. correct. Right. And you can be infected. But why. But now, in the 35 years. since, it's required for every child born in the United States. Yes, they get one on day one of birth, they get another one a month later, and they get another one six months later. And that's because it's a captive audience.

That's the only reason. How many babies are going to be IV drug abusers or go have unprotected sex. or get a blood transfusion. from somebody who's infected? And by the way, some of the pediatricians will tell you, well, mom could have had hepatitis B and therefore you're trying to... prevent the baby from getting it. Well, mom was tested for hepatitis... during her pregnancy, so you would have known if they had hepatitis... and hepatitis B.

And so then you would have been able to either treat it or do something about it, or maybe prophylaxibate. Why would pediatricians go along with that? they to put it bluntly, money. Why are they allowed to practice medicine with those attitudes? No, I'm serious. Why doesn't the FBI raid their offices? If they're giving.

infants. treatment that the infant doesn't need, that has potentially harmful consequences, and they're doing it for money, then they're criminals. You're absolutely right. And not only are they doing it for money, but they don't even know what it is that they're doing. Do you know the average. There's two Hepatitis B vaccines that are in the United States right now. Okay. That are in use. Do you know what the long term, the follow up study on those two hepatitis B vaccines is?.. No. Four days for one, five days for The other. Four day follow up on one.

five day follow up on. Where's the longitudinal study? They haven't done it. How can that be? That's the vaccine industry. in 1986 when they got liability... Okay. Starting in about 19. Liability protection. Liability protection. Correct, sorry. When they got liable to full. liability protection. The one that you don't have and that I don't have But only Albert Bourla. nobody else that I know of has this right. In the world. In any industry. In the world. Okay. Nobody but the pharmaceutical companies do.

On all vaccines. because It's life saving. But you can live without vaccines. You can't live without food. I've never known of a baby that was born with a vaccine deficiency Okay. Right, But I'm just saying, like why don't the food, you know, one of the big ag companies, why doesn't your family farm... have full liability protection? Because, I mean, talk about a life saving. industry. But they don't have it. No. only the vaccine makers have it. It. Correct... And Ronald Reagan, I think he, There's a quote saying that it was probably one of the one,

one of the one laws that he signed that he regretted signing. For what it's worth, it wasn't a great second term. I would say. it was not. No. Yeah. Anyway, I don't want to be mean. I like Ronald Reagan, I guess, but. No, I do too. I'm not again. Yeah, but. nobody's perfect. What is that? What is that? A lot of these laws were signed by Republican presidents. Yes, the Prep act was signed by. It does make you want another party. actually. Whatever. But that's not the scope of this interview,

doctor. Okay, so... there's no informed consent for any vaccine. given. Is your point. so Correct? Because. there's never. There are no long term studies on any vaccines. and there are actually. no. placebo controlled studies on any current vaccines that are on the market right now. come on. Not one... current. vaccine. that is on. the. children's.

schedule has ever been studied against a placebo. But I, I thought that that was a prerequisite. It is a prerequisite. for science. It is a prerequisite for science and it's not been done. why? In a nutshell, they. put out something, they will do a short term study on something, they will proclaim that it's safe and Effective. And when they put it on the childhood vaccine schedule, they will then... use that. fact that it's on the schedule... as an ethical,

moral. foundation. That if you don't, because they've declared it safe and effective, they will use that as a moral foundation... to say, you cannot withhold. You cannot safely or ethically withhold it... from. it's called Logical It's safe because it's safe. It's safe because it's safe. And it's effective because it's... safe. And. And it's... And it's effective because it's effective. Okay? And you can't keep it from babies, and you can't keep it from anybody.

This is why logic needs to be a requirement in school. Right. It's safe because we said it's safe. Therefore, it's so safe by definition. It's safe because we declared it safe. that we can't. Testing for its safety would be a violation of safety. Well, it would be a violation... And it would be. It would be an ethical and moral. you know. threshold that we do not want to cover. Right. It would be immoral to find out if it's actually safe because the process. of finding out would require us to withhold it from certain people.

correct. Which is immoral. Holy shit That is. Okay, so. I always say of doctors, and again, there's no. Probably no group I dislike more in the world than doctors. just because I think they've. really misused their authority. But. And fallen so short. But I always say to myself, anyway, having known a lot of doctors, they're all. They're all smart. I mean, it's pretty hard to get into med school. It's hard to go get through residency, all the rest. But.

now you're convincing me that a lot of them must not be smart, because that's just like, basic logic right there. It is basic logic. Unfortunately, they've been brainwashed, okay, into believing that they are safe and effective. And. not all of them will go back and look at the science... It takes time. It takes effort. It takes an ability. You. You end up, you know, you kind of get. into this. You get into this routine in your life... where, you know, you trust the people that are coming to you and trust them that. That the studies that they're giving you are appropriate and that.

they're true and they're not fake. And they. And the evidence that they're showing you is. you know, is... the. Is the correct evidence. We already talked about, you know, half of the evidence at least half of the evidence that is being published. Look, it's, it's a, it's a captured industry, okay? The people that are. making the drugs are the ones that study the drugs and then are the. ones that publish the results. Okay? The New England Journal of Medicine, the. the... Journal of American Medical association, the British Medical Journal and the Lancet.

All those top four journals from 2020 to 2022, they, you, when you go through a peer review process and you submit your journals to them. to be reviewed to get published, those reviewers oaky. were paid $1.06... billion in three years, okay, by the pharmaceutical industry. And that's a number that's out there that's just recently been published. $1.06 billion. was given to those people that reviewed... those journal articles for publication.

Those are, those are the peers in the peer reviewed study. correct. The peers are all on the take. They're all on the take... And they were also given research grants. And the average research grant, average research grant was $153,000. By pharma. By pharma. So, so they, they do the study, they, they design a study, they. pay the study investigators.

they. collate the data and pay the people that are reviewing it. for publication. in the journal that... they. own... Essentially, they own. because... the journals get money... on... The majority of their money. They get money is on preprints or on reprints. So the pharmaceutical companies will. pay the journal. X amount of money for a reprint. And they give those reprints to. then give them out to doctor's offices for. Through their pharmaceutical. representatives that go out to the offices,

go walk into a pre, you know, pre. Into a pediatrician office and hand out six preprints or sorry, reprints. And they give them these reprints that they've paid for from. the pharmacy or from the. journals. And that's how these journals, the majority of their money comes from these reprints. That's... it. It's, it's such a closed system. It's just astonishing and it's astounding. But you're the criminal here. I just want to remind you. I know, I. don't. Please don't tell me that anymore. Just want to reorient your moral universe a little bit.

You. doctor or the criminal? So. so the mandates come. You are registered with the state of Utah as a vaccine dispensary. or as a physician. Yeah. Vaccine provider. Provides... vaccines... Your patients come. You give them. to the extent you can, all the information that you have about these. products. There's not a lot, but. you Tell them what you know, and then you give them the option... because it's their body, their choice, right, about whether or not to take the vaccine. Where's the. Okay, so this is obviously, you're serving your patients.

I wish you'd been in my neighborhood at the time. How do you get in trouble for that? Well, because I didn't do what they wanted me to do. Who's they? The government. So you. You made a very good, you know, astute comment. I went to the state health department in Utah. to become a vaccine provider. but yet the federal government came after me. So In January of 2023. on January 11, I had 10 or 11 officers show up in my office.

They didn't have their guns drawn like they did with Roger Stone. Okay, what kind of officers? FBI?.. HHS? It was the OIG's office of the HHS and DHS. Department of... Homeland Security... They. They love having their task forces, so they established a task force. Such a buffoons. So they established a task force sometime in 2022... because they heard about. About me providing these saline shots and. And covid cards without a shot.

So they showed up in January, served it. in January 23rd, and they served a search warrant on me and on my office manager for our phones. They confiscated our phones? Like your cell phone? They took your cell phone. They took my cell phone. What if you just say no? Well, they had a search warrant, so they had a legal. How about no? It's all fake. They have a search warrant. Okay, you and your fake government. back off. But. Well, I tried that and I'll tell you that later. Okay. Okay, I have a search warrant...

Safe and effective search warrant. Well, and then they tried to get me to open up my phone. so that they could access it. They actually never did get into my phone. because they didn't have the password and.... So what did you say? I just said no. Said, I don't know my password and I'm not going to give it to you. What did they say? They said. Well, they. They actually said, well, it. It could go a lot easier on you if you gave us access. I said, no, no, thanks. It's going to be hard enough. It's going to be. It's going to be hard enough as it is anyway.

But. But it was funny because I. I'm sorry. I just want to linger on this point for one second. So you're. You're like a physician practicing medicine. The FBI shows up with a task force at your office. What did you think? Well, my office manager came back to my office all in a panic. You know, completely, you know, white faced, said, the FBI is here. And I said, what are they here for? You had no warning? No warning. And... she said, well, they're here to serve. They want your phone. And my phone, it's a search warrant. And I go, oh, okay.

Did they tell you what it's about? And she's like, no. I go around to the front and they're sitting there talking to... Sandra. Who was... That was Carrie. And they were sitting there talking to Sandra at the front desk. And they were trying to get her to, you know, to spill the beans on stuff. They were just questioning her and, And Sandra was just, you know, I. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Just, you know, doing, you know, doing the right thing, really. Just not answering any questions. I like Sandra just hearing go sandra.

And so anyway, so. they served a search warrant. They took my phone, they took Carrie's phone. And you never gave him the password? I never gave him the password. There is a. They just walk out. They could just show up and walk off with your phone. yeah. People keep a lot of personal stuff on their phones. A lot of personal. I do not. But I'm just saying. You don't anymore, the average. I don't. No, I don't. I've had. Had my phone taken, so. I know, but.

yeah, just. Just a. quick sidebar. If you're involved in. any job that's even remotely controversial, do not keep personal stuff on your phone. Sorry. Everyone should know that. Anyway, don't go to any website... that you wouldn't want your mom to know about... Just stay clean digitally. That would be my strong advice. So. Wow, that's totally crazy. So how did you response? They just come in, they take your phones and then. So I called my attorney. My attorney showed up.

I mean, he's not a criminal attorney. He was just my real estate guy, He shows up. Doing a title search. It's kind of like, hey, what's. What's wrong with this contract here? But, you know, and he was, he was good. He just said, hey, look, Kirk, don't say anything. Just, you know, and so we gave him my phone. and And like I said, they never got into mine. They do have a program that can... kind of get into phones,

but it takes. probably three or four years. of the operating system in order for them to hack into it. So my phone was still new enough. to where... they weren't able to get into it even, you know, up to the, you know, up to January or July of this year. So. I think we need some way to look. like, blow up your phone the second the FBI start knocking. Well, there is a way that you can do that now, not blow it up. You can't. No, you heard about that once in. In. In. Was it Israel, whatever. Where they had the. Where they actually had something in it.

Where they could actually make the thing catch on fire. No, but I want that. So there was something that they did that they put in. In the cell phones. I don't know if it was Apple phones or if it was Android versions or what, but they had something in there that they had had. that they supposedly... put in the phones and then given them to some terrorists or something, and they were able to kind of make the phone blow up. You didn't hear about that? Oh, they're the. The pagers. Oh, was it pagers? Yeah, yeah, it was the pagers. Oh, I thought it was. Okay. Sorry about that. yeah.

blew the genitals off a thousand people... simultaneously. So. No. that. I don't know that there's any, like, domestically available. Well, but you can actually erase your. phone... you can. If you. If you lose your phone, you can get. If it's an iPhone, then you can actually get on it, and. you can. And you say, I lost my phone. It's permanently lost. And you can. You can erase everything on there. Did you do so. I did not... Because I didn't want to get in trouble for that,

for... tampering with evidence or, you know, whatever. evidence. okay. But I did not do it. So when did you learn what you were going to be charged with? A week later. I learned about it in a... email that I got. from a reputation website. that published a... article by Heavy.com that had seen something on the DOJ that the DOJ. had announced the indictment... I never got served. I never got paperwork. I never got subpoena. I never.

Nope. what. And I, you know, I. Actually. none of us did. So you first heard from some company that, like, repairs damaged reputations. Yes. From, like, Harvey Weinstein's publicist, basically, like, hey. now that you're a bad person, you should hire us. You should hire us to help. Yeah. So it was a heavy.com article that was kind of regurgitating what the. DOJ had said in their press release. are You serious? But no one had ever sent you the press release or informed you? nope.

What. What country is this? I think we still live in the United States. Barely. Yeah. Wow. wow. Wow. By the way, do you have any patients in the office? When the FBI barged in. we. Oh, that's a good. On Wednesday. Yeah. We would have had patients in the office. They must have been surprised. Yeah, well, you know, as a plastic surgery business, I typically don't have a lot of patients in there all at once. So, you know, it's a pretty private. It kind of, you know, scenario. right. We have, you know, one or two patients per hour that kind of come in at,

you know, at any given time. Sometimes we're a lot busier. But. on a Wednesday, on our consult days, you know, it's typically pretty slow. So. I. I don't remember, but they're probably. I bet they remember. I bet they never forget it. It's hilarious... Sorry, I. I know Not for you. So what were you charged with? So I was charged with fraud, conspiracy to commit fraud, because there was more than one of us. and And counterfeiting.

counterfeiting? Counterfeiting. Because I filled out cards. when I didn't, you know, put. the... COVID vaccine lot number and the date that it was supposedly. injected and then signed it. So this was like. There were a lot of cases like this in the 1850s where, like, a runaway slave would show up at somebody's house and they... harbor the slave and they would get charged. And... there was a huge theological debate about this at the time, of course, culminating in the John Brown murders...

And, I mean, there was a lot of debate. It wasn't just John Brown, but. about whether it's ethical. to. violate an immoral law. And that must be a conversation you had, at least with yourself. Well, the conversation that I had with myself was. I'm taking care. of my patient. There were no Covid laws. There were no laws that require me to inject anybody with anything.

And so my. discussion with myself was exactly that. Said I'm not breaking any laws. So I don't really understand why they're coming after me. That's one... And then two, There was never a law. You're right. Never a law. And. 2. So what law did you violate if there was no. Well, they. They were claiming fraud... That they had. given me $28,000 worth of product, and I had. And I was told to use it in a certain way, and I didn't use it in the way that they wanted me to.

What'd you do with it, by the way? Just throw it away? How. How big is a 28,000. item lot of COVID vaccines? It was 2. 270 doses is what I Had ordered. Okay, so is that like. Could you fit that in a duffel bag? Yeah, they're small vials. They're about an inch tall by, you know, three quarters of an inch. And you just tossed them in the garbage?

yeah. yeah, we just covered him, as a matter of fact. I mean. Carrie, my office manager, she would order the product... They would. It would get delivered to the office. by UPS or FedEx or whatever. She would sign for it. And then she told me... And I didn't know this at the time, but... in order to keep. anybody from actually using them. she would take them home immediately. And...

then from home, she would just throw them away. So. we had. There was... another... employee of mine that supposedly had told it FBI. in something or interview that. That she didn't agree with what it was that we were doing and thought that. her daughter should have gotten... her... Covid shot. And so she went in there and... drew one up and gave it to herself because we weren't. going to give it to her. And that was a total lie because we never had any of the. COVID vaccine in the office. So how did you.

Is she the one who ratted you out to the feds? no The way they found out about it is... a lady was completely anti Covid and anti vaccine. Told her office, told her staff, told... everybody that she worked with her. her HR department, everybody. that she would never get the vaccine. She'd rather quit, get fired, whatever. And then one day she shows up with a card from my office. And so then they called the Utah Health Department. and said her office did. Yeah. So her office. What kind of office was it?..

I think it was a utility office in California. I'm not... positive about that. And, you know, so they called the Utah Health Department and the Utah Department, then I guess in turn called the FBI... And we found this out during the trial that... the first thing that the Utah Health Department was supposed to do upon. hearing that somebody was not using their Covid vaccines properly was. they were supposed to shut us down. And if they weren't going to shut us down, then they should have at least done a site.

review on. or Call you and say, hey, is it true that you're not. dispensing? But they didn't do anything. They got a hold of the FBI right away. And so then... that was again, part of the whole scheme on their part. So they're claiming I had a scheme, and my scheme was to save. I didn't want to murder or. maim my patients. Okay? That was my scheme. Good scheme. Their scheme. Their scheme was to. try to catch me. And then. And that's what they did. They ran a sting operation on me. Had two police officers come in and get a Covid card. Both of them without a shot. They had to,

you know. So did you consult with them? No, I did not. I didn't see. I hardly. None of these patients. came in. to get a COVID vaccine. They all knew what we were doing. It was a word of mouth thing. I never kept any patient from getting a vaccine if they wanted it. Okay. And I never gave a vaccine to somebody who didn't want... it. But everybody that was coming to me was coming to me because I was giving fake. cards... They knew it, they wanted it.

I wasn't. I didn't have to talk to them. They'd done all their own research... They, you know, if they had any questions, they would ask me because. And I wish I'd known I had. I had a friend who printed a bunch of fake vax cards. I was proud to carry a fake vax card around the world. into various countries. Well, you did an interview with Ed. about that... Yeah, in January of 23. January, February of 23, I think it was. on your Fox Nation show. Yeah. I felt guilty about. I only, I actually only showed it one time in one country, but.

I felt guilty. I felt like I should be man enough to be like, I'm not getting that and. and just. But I, but you can't, you know, you have the whole system that's out against you. I know. I just felt like Wuse For... doing that. And I felt like a real man would just stand up. I can't imagine my father like, having a fake vax card. Buzz off... But I did anyway. But. I just. God bless everyone who provided fake VAX cards. And I just want to thank you to your face for doing that. It's. What a wonderful.

service... and a truly ethical thing to do. But. thank you. you're facing life in prison for doing it... So you get indicted. When do you find out that the penalty is life? Well, so the. Originally the penalty was. total of 15 years. max if I had been convicted on all charges. They were also accusing me of making money and they, I, I wasn't doing anything. So initially in the summer of 21, I was just given cards out... and, you know, anybody who wanted them was giving them out.

If they came in with a kid, then I would do a saline shot on their kid. Eventually that kind of changed the routine changed a little bit. Where. some people get nervous, hey, you're just doing this so freely, you're going to get caught and somebody's going to say that you. did something wrong or whatever, and you, you know, you run the risk. And again, I, I still fell back on. what am I doing wrong. I'm taking care of my patients. This is what they want. They're coming in, they have full informed consent, you know, and everything else. yeah. There's no Covid law and there's no Covid law. Right. But eventually we,

we got convinced that, you know, look, we got to start screening people... And so that's where. Cris comes in, my other co defendant. And so she starts screening people. And... in addition to that, we had people that were saying, hey, you know, Kirk or Dr. Moore, you know, you're not taking any payment on this. What can we do to help. you know, help you? And I said, well, look, there's this. organization. that is trying to change the laws here in the state of Utah to prevent.

this from ever happening again. And I'd been to their meetings and. I was kind of doing what I. could to help. I was testifying in Congress... or. at our state, you know, state house and senate committee hearings to try to get laws passed to take away... the right of our... health department and our county council to... force mandates indefinitely on anybody. And so we had passed some laws. And so I knew what this organization was doing. And so I said, look, if you have. a, if you want to do something, please donate to this organization.

And they said, well, how much? I said, well, typically people are charging their insurance companies. about 50 bucks for a shot. So just donate $50. to this organization. And I would have them put a little orange. I don't know where I came up with an orange. I haven't put an orange in their Zelle or, or Venmo payment or whatever so that, you know, that. So that HIA who was the organization would know what it was. And, and, and so we... did that.

And the government claimed that I did that for Everybody. So. all 1937 patients that got listed to the Utah State... Information... Immunization information system. Claiming that those were people that had come to my office, that we had put their name on the list. and said that they got a covid shot. So they were saying that out of that at 50 a piece, it's like $96,000. plus the 28 grand that they gave me a product was 128,000. dollars worth of 124,000.. the money you said went to charity. It didn't Go to you? Correct. I didn't get a dime.

Okay. But they were trying to claim that. That I was making money somehow, okay? And they did. And they, they, you know, they did that, but then they had to take that charge away... Okay? So here's funny story. The second police officer that came in. to do this thing, operation on me to confirm what had happened to his quote unquote girlfriend, okay? He got busted for selling bath salts... So he was. an FBI agent that was stealing bath salts from a confiscated, you know, raid and then taking some of it and then turning around and selling it.

No. way. He's a drug dealer. He's a drug dealer. Dealer. Okay, so they had. He was an FBI agent. He's an FBI agent. I'm not surprised, actually. I mean, you're an.. I couldn't have a lower opinion of FBI agents in general. Not all, but most. But if they tell you, okay, we're going to do a sting operation. on a physician who's decided, as a practicing... medical doctor that he doesn't want to give the COVID vaccine. Your job is to bust him. If you're going along with that, it's voluntary.

You don't have to do it if you don't want. You're a low. person. Like, you're a disgusting person. Like, check yourself. What am I. Is this why I got into the FBI? To bust doctors for not. prescribing an untested vaccine? Yeah. I mean, they don't look at it that way. They. Yeah, I know they don't. They're. I mean, the whole government... scenario, everything that they're. Again, this is not about justice, okay? It's not about the truth, okay? It's just about winning. And it's about. When it came to me, in my case, it came to be a.

About proving a point, okay? They. wanted to prove... that to other doctors. This is what happens to you, okay, when you mess with us, when you with fuck with us... and everything else, this is what's going to happen to you. It didn't matter whether it was the right thing. It's a display of power. It didn't matter. It didn't matter that I had not hurt any patient. It didn't matter that I was. That I'm a plastic surgeon doing house calls and I'm saving people's lives, okay? And that I literally take people out of the hospital,

get them off the remdesivir that they're. were in, give them high dose steroids, give them ivermectin and everything else. And now they are still alive and not six feet under, okay? And I did that on two or three occasions, and I didn't charge a dime to anybody for doing this... That doesn't matter to them, okay? What mattered to them was you. didn't do what we told you to do. And therefore, we are going to hold your feet to the fire, and we are going to prove, and we're going to make it hurt so much to you, and we're going to show the world.

that if they ever were to try this, that this is what's going to happen. Sadomasochism... They're. They're in the dominant position. They've got the whip hand, and they Want you to know it. and they ruin you financially. They spend all this money. They. They. They make you spend. I had to hire an attorney for my business, okay? For my business. Does my business speak? Okay? Do they get up? Can you. Can I take my business and put my business on the stand. and ask them why my business. did this? Okay? But no, I had to hire an attorney.

and spend a buttload of freaking money, okay, to pay my attorney to just sit there. in trial. okay? That's our system. What do you think it cost you? If I add up the bills, it was somewhere between seven and 800 grand. which is. not as expensive as what some other cases are. But I lost a lot of money out of my business, too. I mean, just think about the time and effort and. the lack of, you know, the loss of focus.

I mean, I. I used to just work, right? I mean, I just. I'd go to the office, I'd take care of my patients, I'd advertise, I'd market... I would, you know, be there for them and do everything. I didn't have anything else. I didn't have all this extraneous stuff that I'm thinking about. But now I'm. The only thing I'm thinking about is how do I keep myself out of jail? How do I provide for my family? jail? So, yeah. Oh, so you asked me before. So. And we got off subject. So when that officer. got caught, all the data and evidence and everything that they had in the.

original indictment had to be removed. So what they did. Because it turns out the FBI agent was a drug dealer. because the fbi agent was a Drug dealer... So they had to take all that out. But then what they did was. is they added another charge. of... destruction of government property and... evidence tampering, which added another 20 years to my sentence. what? 20 years. 20 years. Evidence tampering. What was the government... property that you destroyed. the vaccine. They claimed that even though they gave me a product.

So the ultimate. Indian givers, okay, they gave me a product. and then it was sitting in my freezer... that they had given to me. and that until I injected it into a patient's arm, that they own that product. because they gave it to me, because they paid for it and they gave it to me as the custodian. I guess. they're going to put you In prison for 20 years for that. they were going to put me in jail for. Yeah, if I destroyed that property. Correct. They were going to. That was going to.

Additional 20 years of You know, of. what kind of prosecutor. And you're in your late 50s by this point? Yeah, I turned 60 this year. Right. What was the total sentence you were facing? 35 years. So that put you in prison until. 95 till you're dead. Right, Right. So what kind of. So at some point, a prosecutor had to decide. on what the. maximum penalty would be. That's a judgment called subjective, right? Well, no, the maximum penalty is the judge.

So if I'd have been sentenced, then. of course, of course the judge determines that, but the prosecutor. decides which charges he's going to bring... And he knows what penalty is attached to those charges. correct they hated me, but, like. They Looked at me with such disdain. Please name these prosecutors and tell. Tell us who they were. So, so Todd Bouton. Todd Bouton? Yeah. B O U T O N. B O U T O N. Who is Todd Bouton? So Todd Bouton came from California. In the prosecutor's office in California, he'd only been.

He's only been in Utah. Well, at the time that he. had me under indictment, it had only been there about a year, I think. He's a federal prosecutor. He's a federal prosecutor. So he was in the. U.S. attorney's office. U.S. attorney's office in Salt Lake City. Yes. Okay. Todd Bouton How old is Todd Bouton? 50, 48. And... Todd Bouton was, do you think, one of the prime movers behind this? He was the lead prosecutor on this case. Lead prosecutor. Okay. So I don't know if it got assigned to him or if he chose it or.

if he. But he hated me. I mean, he looked at me with such distinct. Why? I don't know. Todd Bouton Does he still work at the Department of Justice? He does. How can Todd Bouton still have a job at the DOJ. I would think draining the swamp would require firing Todd Bouton day one. But that's just my view... Okay. And I'm again stepping in your story. So, okay, there was. Todd Bouton was lead prosecutor. Who else? So Jacob Strain was his boss or.

Jacob Strain. Yeah. So. Jacob. And then. S t R a I n. And he was. He's the. senior. prosecutor in that, but he was taking a back seat to Todd Bouton. Todd Bouton was leading the. You know, leading the charge. And Jacob Strain has been in that office in Salt Lake for a long time. Is he still there? He's still there as well? Oh, yes, he's still there. how. This was just one of many cases that they had. of this. Of this kind.

Well, they. I don't know if you heard about that one case that they had where they. There were people that were selling. Covid cards on ebay. There was a guy in Utah. There's a guy in Utah and a guy in New York. And between the two of them, they sold 140,000 cards. Of course, I. On ebay that they had just printed. They'd gone to Kinko's. I don't know if Kinko still exists, but my point. You know, they went to a printing company where they printed them at home, made covid cards, stamped them, and... And we're selling them for 10 bucks a piece. These guys made $1.4 million. God bless them.

And they got convicted. They got a year in jail and a $40,000 fine. That was their conviction. They took a plea deal. Okay. Do they actually do the time? I. don't know. I think so. Okay. damn. But a year in jail and $40,000 fine, and then the same prosecutor. So, Todd Bouton. Same guy. Okay. Took those guys and he got that plea deal, and he's taking me to trial and trying to put me in jail for 35 years. And you're a physician.

And I made no money. Okay. I made no money. I didn't charge anybody anything. I made no money. I asked people to donate to an organization that was helping pass. laws in the state of Utah that I, you know, that. That we supported as an organization. and everything else... And yet he, you know, they never offered me a plea... ever. I would not have taken one if they had. They. But I. But they never even came. They give pleas to child monsters all the time. Yes. all the time. All the time. yeah Let's... cut it down to a decent exposure, and we'll.

We're fine. Had you ever been in trouble with the law? So I had a. I had a case... four or five years ago where I Got accused of insurance fraud, of filing a false insurance claim. and... that. I had. three of my, my employees turn me in, even though it wasn't true. But I had to take a plea deal on that because I had three people against me for, for, you know, for me, for one. So I took a misdemeanor, you know, charge.

And did you lose your medical license? I had it suspended for. Well, on paper, suspended for two years. But they, but it was. But. So they suspended, but gave it back to me under probation... And so I did an 18 month probation. Never got in trouble. I've never been in trouble prior to that at all. So... I got accused of. I had a trailer that was stolen. from my office parking lot. And the trailer had a whole bunch of stuff in it, some of which I knew, some of which I didn't.

I... had just moved into my office... and we're moving stuff in, moving stuff out. I came from an office that was. 5,800 square feet to an office that was just under 4. So we had a lot of stuff that just didn't fit... And so I had my sister out who's kind of helping with interior design. And. so we're moving stuff in and out. And I didn't know what was in the trailer, what was not, and everything else. And so I put... Put a lot of things on the insurance claim, and some of which I took off later, some of which I didn't. But my, my staff that I had fired.

accused me of, you know, fraudulently making claims on my insurance. And I didn't. If I did, it was a mistake because I didn't know. You know, I didn't really. I truly didn't know what was on there. I do know that there were at least. you know, there was a couple of boxes of medical charts on there, and there was a whole bunch of medical supplies and, you know, and those kinds of things... So. But. I just. so It wasn't an insurance claim related to your medical practice? No, no, it had nothing to do with that.

okay. So what happened next? You're facing life in prison for this. They, they do not offer you a plea deal. You wouldn't have taken it anyway. You said, but how long did this drag out and how did it end? So. we. I. I went to jail twice. You went to jail? I went to jail twice. why? Remember at the beginning when you said, Did you get a tattoo? Join a gang? No tattoos. But...

remember when you said, why did you give him your phone? Because... the government, you're not really they don't, you know, it's, it's your government? Well, I challenged the jurisdiction of my government, and they didn't like that challenge, so they threw me in jail. yeah. They threw you in, like, actual jail? Yep... 12 days. Come on now. What jail? I was at the Logan. county jail. Logan. In the sheriff's department, Whatever. Were you the only surgeon in the, in the cell block? Oh, yeah, I think it was the only. I was the only white collar there.

Only white collar guy there at all. Everybody else was drug addicts and... there were some murders and rapists. And you spent 12 days in jail? I spent 12 days in jail that time, yes. why? Well, because I challenged their jurisdiction. I filed a motion that said that they don't have jurisdiction over me. And, you know, trying to go. Some people claim it's like the sovereign citizen or. state, national... route or, you know, whatever... Basically I was just saying, you know,

you guys are overstepping your bounds here. You don't have the authority to do this. and you don't have the authority to do this... And they didn't like that. So the judge says, I don't like you, and I don't like what it is that you're doing. And he threw me in jail. Who's the judge? Judge Bennett. Jared. Jared Bennett. That is... totally bonkers. What does your family say? Well, they were like, dad, what can you do to get out of jail? So I. in order to do that, I had to fire my attorneys and everything else and go pro se,

which, you know, means defending yourself. And then. And so then I had to hire an attorney to then file a motion to... say that I had. I reneg on what it was that I said before. I don't believe in that. It was, you know, it was a mistake on my part. So please let me out of jail so I can take care of my family... And so they did. They put me on an ankle monitor for 90 days. what? And. I was on house arrest...

And I could go from my office... to. Is this true? This is true. It's. It's true. Absolutely. All of it is... I have pictures. I was even accused of being a. of being a consider. of. Of continuing my conspiracy theory because. I, I, I was told that I said that my ankle monitor probably had. a microphone and transmitter in it, and I was covering it with a towel so people couldn't listen. Well, your iPhone definitely does. So, like, why is it crazy to think your ankle monitor does.

I don't think I said that, but even if I did, I mean, the point is. well that's true, that factual true. that they brought that up in court to try to keep me in jail. Cuz you're not allowed to have conspiracy theories. You're allowed to think whatever the fuck you want in this country. By the way, not anymore. So did you ever... Cause. I'm a. few years younger than you. We're basically the same generation and. went to similar high schools in the similar region. So I, I get, I know what your world, I mean,

I know the world that you grew up in. Did you ever think, like, I'm just not going to participate, I'm not going to do this, like I'm armed... and come and come and get me bitch? Well, by this time. Well, no, actually by that. Yeah. Did I think about it? Well, you could see how you could become Randy Weaver really quick. Yes, I did. I think about that... The absolute - The absolute thing is. Yes, of course. So I'm, I'm, I'm literally thinking, okay, how do I board up my windows?.. Okay. How do I put little holes in it? You know,

yeah 100 %. You're absolutely right. That I think about it. Yeah. I'm not suggesting that anyone do that. Like they murdered Randy Weaver's wife and child and dog. Like you don't win. going Branch Davidian, but. ever. However, I certainly understand the impulse. Especially if you grew up in a free country. You're like, well, you can't do this. What was, what was 12 days in jail like? Well, the first four days I was in. So they have a rule when you get into jail at Logan,

the Logan County Jail there, that you have to do 48 hours. Your first 48 hours is. in solitary confinement because. they want to make sure that you're not tweaking on drugs and that. you're not going to freak out. And so before you go to. you for. or you know, regular cell block. tweaking on drugs, you're a surgeon. Like, what the. I get, I get, I get. I didn't get any special treatment there either one way or the other. Okay. But. the rule also said that it's 48 hours...

They did this to me on the Friday afternoon before Memorial Day weekend... So my 48 hours didn't start clicking until Tuesday morning at 7 o' clock. So I was in solitary confinement Friday night, Saturday night, Sunday night and Monday night... Okay. I got out of my cell for one hour a day. And because I was in this, you know, this, this... whatever state, I can't remember what they called it with the state you know what, what they do... for that, that solitary confinement state for that 48 hours, but it doesn't start till then.

So then they gave me a benefit is that on Tuesday afternoon at like 4 o'. Clock. They said, okay, well, you know, we'll move you to your cell block. And so then they moved me from there to. kind of award... a pod with a bunch of bunk beds and 26 or 27 other, you know, cell mates in there, which was obviously a lot better because you can have some communication and. talk to people and I had phone access. and, you know, and everything else. But... what were those days in solitary like?

boring. You know, you got out of. They would bring you out of your cell to eat literally for 20 minutes, and then they'd send you back in. And then. they would combine your lunch or your dinner... on alternating days with your one hour of. time where you could just kind of walk around in the cell block. How was the food? Food was, I don't know, jail food. just.

plastic trays with a plastic fork. that, you know, if you put too much on your plastic fork, it would collapse because it couldn't be stiff enough for. you to use it as a weapon. You know, it, it was. Green beans, corn. hot dogs. I think. there were a couple times where we had a burger. but it was. So that was my first time in jail.

My second time in jail was. I got. The marshal service showed up. So we had. So I got my ankle monitor off at the end of the summer of 2022. Okay. no, sorry, ankle monitor. And this is so crazy. I just want to like, what about the politicians in your state that supposedly. Nobody said a fucking word. Nobody said a word. at that time. It's the most shameful... period in American history by far.

And so I, by the way, if. Those people ever take power again, this will be every day. Those people are really dangerous. So I got my ankle monitor off like end of August, beginning of September of 2023. So now I'm kind of like, last thing I want to do is kind of rock the boat and do anything. Ankle monitor. Do you have to shower with it and keep it on? yeah It's on. It's just. They strap this thing on and if you cut it off,

it sends like some sort of, you know, it's got a really loud, loud beep and. siren or something in it. So it's like a dog collar, like you're an animal. Right, right. They put a tag in your ear. Not, no, that, not yet. They didn't. They didn't get to that point yet. so. following that. we had a motion to. We filed a motion to dismiss my case. based upon the Chevron doctrine and how the CDC was overstepping their bounds.

The judge denied that. they had no Legislative authority. They have no legislative authority. None. There's no law. There's no law. There's no legislative authority. by the Pharisees. yup. But the judge. didn't grant our motion to dismiss. They had a motion simultaneously to preclude me from using. a necessity defense. And basically a necessity defense. Is... that... what the treatment is that I was doing was less dangerous than the treatment? That was the alternative. correct. And which I truly believed was true.

The judge grant. Why else would you do it? The judge granted them that motion, which then meant that I couldn't bring in any patients that came to me and. talk them about the reasons why. Wait, they can tell you what defense you can offer? That's another really good question, Tucker. How do they get to decide what your defense is? I mean, what... is going on? Yeah, I mean, that's exactly my. I had almost the same exact... M.O.

you know, motion was... emotion, which was, I... laughed and giggled and was like, I, I, I thought I lived in the United States and I'm allowed to present any... defense that I want to. But no, in this case, a necessity defense was not permitted. So that means I couldn't bring any, any... vaccine injured patients in. to talk about. wait who decides? The judge decides? The judge decided. So the, the, So I had a magistrate judge and he was,

that was Judge Bennett who threw me in jail the first time. Okay. And then we had this motion to dismiss. So any dispositive motions... go to your actual. district judge. Okay. So the district judge that heard my case. is, you know, is different than the magistrate judge. and then his name is Howard Nielsen. And so Howard Dr. Or Dr. Judge Nielsen heard my motion to dismiss. and heard their motion for necessity.

He denied my motion to dismiss and he, and he upheld their motion for the necessity defense... So that means I could not bring in any patients that wanted the treatment. that they got and have them tell their story why they came to me... I could not present any data or evidence... in support of the reasons why I treated people the way I did. I couldn't bring in any experts. to also support all that. So I couldn't bring in the Peter McCulloughs and the. Mary Talley Bowdens and, you know, Pierre Corey's and anybody else in there to help me with my case.

And you know. and you know, real good friend of mine. Jim Thorpe, Wouldn't, you know, none of these people. I couldn't bring anybody in as. an expert witness on my behalf. And then I couldn't bring in any patients that had been vaccine injured. So all the people that I know. that were vaccine injured to kind of help prove my case case... So I was precluded from doing any of that. So that was on the 19th of October. So they just, just to restate, they... charge you with these crimes, they threaten you with life in prison,

they throw you in jail for 12 days. to start, and then they decide what your defense can be. correct That's our system now... Right. So. the day before we had trial. Sorry, the day before we had the hearing. So on October 18, I sent a text message to two of my co defendants because I knew. that they were struggling with. get their attorneys. They weren't, you know, communication wasn't the greatest and they didn't know about the hearing. And so I texted him and said, hey, we have a hearing tomorrow.

It's our motion to dismiss. their motion for the necessity defense. I think you should be there with your attorneys. Rah, rah, let's go. Our case can go away, you know, whatever. Okay, that's it. We go to the hearing... There they are at the hearing. I told you, you know, we lost both motions essentially. The day after Donald Trump was elected, I had two marshals show up in my office and perp walk me out of my office...

for communicating with my co defendants about the case. How did they know? One of the people that I was communicating... with turned me in. So my ex office manager. gave them a copy of the text messages. Why did she do that? Because. she wanted out of the case. So she took a plea deal. And she took a plea deal for. Well, she's gonna have to live with that. She's gonna have to live with that. She's. ultimately not a very nice person and so I don't know that it's really going.

to give her that much heart ache. I hope it does. So what happened? The U.S. Marshals show up. So the U.S. Marshals show up, put me in chains. Ankle chains. actually? Actually. ankle chains. and cuffs behind my back with chains connected between my ankles and feet. because I was such a flight risk. Took me to jail. and I spent 30. I spent 22 days in jail that time.

Are you serious? Same jail? No, different jail this time. So I had to learn a whole new routine. What was your family saying at this point?.. Well. What are they saying? You know, they're, they're struggling, obviously. It's. you know, I'm the breadwinner in the family. You know, I'm, you know, I'm not making any money. And... you know, my... fiance now is kind of trying to keep things afloat.

My parents are doing whatever they can to kind of communicate. with my attorneys and do. anything and all. And you're like 59 years old at this point. 59 years old. And... you know, like I said, I'm barely. surviving in my practice anyway. And with a federal indictment hanging over you, nobody wants to really have a lot to do with you. So it, it's, you know, it's, it's, it was hard. It's really hard.

Had to sell. I owned a... house. summer house with a really good friend of mine and had to. sell out my partnership on it. that I'd owned for 17 years. And it was, you know, it was a getaway for us. We loved it. This place up in Bear Lake. And. you know, I had to sell out from that, that. But I, you know, the money that I got from that went, it was all gone in like three weeks. to lawyers, all to lawyers or to pay off my. business expenses.

I mean, I, you know, I was in jail for, you know, 22 days. I didn't get any income, none. I'm not able to advertise and so I can't, you know, I, you know, all my money, all my discretionary money was going towards my attorneys or fees or this or, you know, running my business or, you know, or anything. And. you know, so it was. you know, it was that those 22 days were really hard. I got out. the. So. here's more, here's more an. of an example of the, of them coming after me.

Okay? I told you that in... May of 2023. I filed that motion kind of as a state, national, sovereign guy, you know, government doesn't have jurisdiction over me. I filed the same motion... as, as, as Carrie did. The exact same motion. We just changed the name on the motion. Both of us filed it. They put me in jail for 12 days. They let her go home. Carrie would be the woman who ratted you out? Yes. Okay... And then... later. when I went to jail the second time...

and it was Carrie and Chris and myself in this three way text. And Carrie is the one that turned it in. So obviously she's not going to go to jail. But they arrested Chris to. too. Okay. And... two days later we had a hearing. in terms of the disposition, are we going to let them go again... or, you know, or are we going to keep them in Jail. Well, they let her go and they kept me in jail. for the exact same violation, but because I'd had that previous violation. Okay. I'm now considered a flight risk and a danger to the community.

And so now I need. a Danger to the community? a Danger To the community... The prosecutor said it in the hearing. Which prosecutor? Todd Bouton. Todd Bouton, who is still. I'm really gonna try to make a note to myself to just. say his name as often as I can until he loses his job and doesn't get hired... at a big white shoe law firm and rewarded for this. Todd Bouton. Okay. Yeah... So I was a danger to the community, and. I'm a flight risk. In spite of the fact that, you know, I've got no property anywhere else.

The only property I have. is in my town. I have my kids going to school there. You know, my. My mom lives with me part of the time... you know, everything else. There's no, you know, flight risk for what? Also, who cares? Who cares? You didn't do anything wrong. I don't have my passport. We got 50 million illegals in the country... We drug cartels control. huge parts of the southwestern United States. Like, this is so crazy. I can't even believe this is real. Right? And I look, and I'm not the only one there. If, you know, this, fled the United States,

the only loser would be the United States. We need people like... No, I'm, I'm serious. Like, I. Flight risk? Flight risk, and a danger to the community. What am I going to do to the community? Right. So you think Todd Bouton still works at the U.S. attorney's office? I do. as far as I know. I mean, I, I, you know, but yes. I, I do think your senators should know that. I think, I think if Senator Lee knew that. Well, he does know that. He was at my. So. he was at my meeting that I had with.

With, you know, Attorney General Bondi, you know, a few weeks ago... So he knows. Okay, well, I think they should fire Todd Bouton immediately. because this is such an abusive power, just crushing a man and no one comes to your aid. right. What was the. 22 days in jail like? So this time it was actually a little bit harder... Last time I told you, remember, where I had, like four days. in solitary and then I had the other eight days or so. Kind of. an award where you're out and you can talk to people. This time I was in.

I was in the Salt Lake county jail system. Same, same sheriff's department, but they just had different rules... And all federal. employ. All federal inmates. in that jail. are... Can never get below medium security. Medium security... is. four hours a day out of your cell. and the rest is in your cell. and you can't go outside. You, you know, you get books delivered once a month.

You... get commissary that you know, that you can. That you can order online. or, you know, whatever you have a tablet that you have access to. during your 4 hours of out time. But they had some sort of an electric. Electric problem. in the grid with control of the cells, doors, and everything else. that they had cut our time down to two hours a day. So I was in my cell. 22 out of 24 hours. for those...

full 22 days. in a cell with, like. In a cell, an 8 by 10 cell... 7 by 10 cell. Yeah. 22 out of 24 hours. What did that do to you? Two things. I think. the... first thing that it did to me is it. built. up my resilience that I wasn't gonna let them mess with me anymore. good. You know, that then it just didn't matter what they're gonna do to me.

I'm gonna fight back. And then the second thing. that it did is it made me realize how much of a scam the jail system is, is. because. my first cellmate in there was an illegal. Nice kid, didn't speak much English. He was only my cell for 24 hours. But that poor guy had... supposedly had two DUIs that he didn't even know about. They never pulled him over for driving.

They just issued a DUI warrant out for him. He didn't even know that those DUI warrants were out for him. The third time he did get pulled over for a dui. and. for some reason they felt like he was a maximum security. guy. They put him in maximum security where he was in lockdown. for... two and a half months. Okay, a guy... who's 23 years old, who made some mistakes driving a car once, don't even know about his first two cases. They're not even cases that they.

He never got pulled over. Somebody said, hey, he's been drinking and that's the car that he was driving. But they put them. How is that guy a max security. risk?.. Okay, It's a scam. These jails go around. and all they do, it's a per capita account, okay, And. And morning and night, they want to know how many people are in each ward and in each, you know, medium, moderate. I meant, you know, minimal security, medium security and high security or max security, whatever.

of course. And they get more money. That's all it is. It's just a money scam and a money grubbing operation. That's all it is. The day that I got released, there were 17. people. in my time block. And I think I want to say there were about two hour time blocks. for get release because... they get, they let you get out of your jail, they take you to this... desk, you sign your forms, you get your clothes, you get the stuff that they arrested you with and all of that stuff. It takes about two hours to process... a certain number of people. There are 17 of us total, okay. In that two hour time block,

13... out of 17 of those. had nowhere to go. Nowhere... No family, no friends, nothing. They got a bus pass to take them down to wherever it is they want. A single one, like a one way bus pass. Where do you think those guys are going to go? Right back to where they were before, you know, right back to what it was. And in 48 hours they're going to be right back where they are. There was no attempt at all to help these people to do anything. Nothing... Okay. And that's why I'm saying you just realize that it's just.

such a scam for these people. Just that they want the recidivism and they, if the recidivism rate drops below 90%, then they're hurting. So they want to do whatever it is that they can to kind of. make sure that those people. This country's too big. You can't treat people as human beings. The government's too big. It's all unsustainable. It's like the scale is just not. You either have to go. full. 1984... and just facial recognition to go to the bathroom. Like you have to have like totalitarian control. or you know,

you wind up with this where it's just people get crushed. right. in the gears... And. now it. Wow, this is a really. racing story. So you get out of jail. the second time. Again, I just want to remind our, anyone who's made it this far in the conversation, your crime was not prescribing the COVID vaccine, not giving, administering the COVID vax. Right, Right. Then what happens? Then your trial. is still in process. Yeah, so we get out of jail.

or I get out of jail. And now. we're, you know, planning on going to trial. I mean there's a whole other story behind it, but it's, you know, it's kind of long. And. we... finally are scheduled for trial to go in July. They do that superseding indictment. this July, so July, just last month? Yeah, yeah, like six weeks ago. they did that superseding indictment where they had to. take out that other agents, you know, kind of. Because he turned out to be a drug dealer.

But you're the criminal. But I'm criminal. Right. Okay. so. they do the superseding indictment, add the 20 years... to the. evidence tampering charge. Todd Bouton is the one who added 20 years. Todd Bouton added the 20 years. Someone's got to. pay for this. And I think it should be Todd bouton. And, but they did all of this before Donald Trump was, you know, inaugurated because they were worried. They actually wanted me to go to trial before the inauguration. and because we were originally scheduled for to go to trial on January 15th...

So they wanted the trial to start before Trump was going to be inaugurated. because they felt that Trump was going to pull the plug on this. Well, Donald Trump gets inaugurated... after the superseding indictment. and he announces that weaponization work group... that was for the January 6th people. And then... Pam Bondi comes in. and she kind of, of... puts the weaponization work group together and she assigns the people that. are supposed to go on this committee.

It's the Deputy Attorney General, it's the attorney, the, the. Assistant Attorney for Civil Rights, the Assistant Attorney for Legal Services, and then a, A, a number of other people that are on this committee... Okay. So as soon as they do that, we submit a packet... to them... to this weaponization work... group for. Because one of the things in that. how it wasn't an executive order, but the announcement was that. we're going to go after any of the weaponization,

you know, cases of the previous administration... And I was just like, well, we fit in this category. They're, I mean, they've weaponized the whole. Yeah, you think? So we go through that. we submit this packet, we get an answer back. We had to then go to the... Acting U.S. attorney in the State of Utah to say, ask him whether... would dismiss the case voluntarily without sending it to the. weaponization work group. He said, no, we're not planning on. dismissing it. So we sent that off to... back up to the DOJ in Washington, D.C.

The Assistant Attorney General of Utah was not going to dismiss it. So the acting Attorney General, John Vity, was not going to dismiss the case. He says, no, we, we think we have a good case. We think we can win it. We're not planning on dismissing the case. Who is he? Well, he's the acting Attorney General that, you know, took over for Trina Higgins. Who got fired? U.S. attorney. U.S. attorney. Yeah. Attorney General. So. What did I say? Oh, oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. Acting U.S. attorney... The head federal prosecutor. The head federal Prosecutor. Yeah, sorry about that. So the acting U.S.

attorney. said, no, we're not going to dismiss the case. Is he still the acting U.S. attorney still. The acting U.S. attorney there? Yes. how? None of these people get fired. What is going on? None of these people get fired. They. don't. This... showing this level of cruelty to a fellow American, to an American citizen is just disqualifying. It should be. It should be. I, you know, I've had this conversation with friends of mine. What, what happened to the humanity. Right.

Of, of our society? What happened to. crushing people, And they're not even bad people. I mean, in a world with a lot of bad people, by the way. There are a lot of bad people out there. And, and, but again, this is a system that's built on winning. It's not built on the justice, it's not built on truth. yeah. Okay. It's built on winning. And when they see a case that they can win, then they're going to go after you. And they really thought that they were going to win and they really wanted to. win because they really wanted to show,

don't fuck with us because this is what's going to happen with you. That brings... up. out levels of hostility in me that I, I feel guilty about. So, okay, so as of six weeks ago, you were on trial for your. Literally for your life. Yes. So we filed this with a weaponization work group. Eventually the weaponization work group said, no, we're not going to. We're not going to. We're not going to intervene in this case. what? right. why?

That's a really good question. I don't know why. It was. I got my... email... from. the DOJ in D.C. or my attorney got the email. probably within a, Within a few days or within a week. of. And I, I don't know if it's just coincidence. I don't think... Do you remember. Ed Martin? Right. Ed Martin, nominated. Was nominated for the D.C. .....- Court.

And, and... one of our senators, Comer, I think, said he wouldn't vote for him. I can't remember who the. Who it was. Correct. No, he's been in this room telling a story. Yes... Yeah, yeah. Okay. So anyway. so. he got, he, you know, his nomination gets pulled... and then the very next day he gets assigned as the pardons. attorney at the doj. Right. About that time was when I got notified that they weren't going to take my case. I don't think Ed Martin knew about my case at the time. I'd be surprised.

And that's what I've heard as well. But I just don't think he had enough time to kind of get in there and... Figure things out. I mean, it takes time. You know. you take the effective ones out immediately... They know who you are. They can smell it on you. so So anyway, and I don't think that my case... ever made it to. the... committee. I think my case was headed off before it got to the committee. I can't... prove that. I don't know that. doctors... have an Inalienable right to choose...

the treatment they deem... most effective for their own patients... That's just a foundational fact... of American medicine, and it has to remain that. so. And by the way, they've lectured us on that for. my entire life. 40 years. It's between a doctor and his patients. Okay, okay. All right. All right. And they... not only. stripped that right from you and from your patients, they threw you in jail twice and then tried to send you away for life.

for exercising a foundational right. So... that's all I would need to know if I was on that working group or that committee. or whatever they fucking call it. Just like, no, this is outrageous. And anyone who prosecuted this guy is fired immediately... Like, that's just not hard. This is not a tough... one. Right. This is not a. Let's split the baby case. Well, you and I have. You and I have common sense. And you're right. You don't need to split the baby. In this case. I didn't keep anybody from being vaccinated that wanted to be vaccinated... And I. And I didn't vaccinate the people that didn't want to be vaccinated.

well Exactly. Thank you. And I took care of my patients the way they were in front of me, and I didn't fool anybody. It's not like I was telling them that I was doing something when I wasn't or not. It's not like you told them the vaccine was safe and effective and it. prevent transmission of COVID. Right. Because there were quite a few doctors who did that. That's called fraud. And none of them has been indicted for it. Right. Right. Okay. Sorry. Whoa. I almost have to bring this to a close because you're making me so mad. I fear for my cardiovascular health. Tell us.

So. So I'll tell you that. So in the end, I. It gets denied... I. Like I said. I. Then go to trial. July 7th was the beginning of the trial. this is Like a bad. dream, dude. So I go to trial. There was a. There was a small. rally for us the day our trial started... We actually had the... speaker of the House of the state of Utah was there on our behalf. good. A couple of other... politicians were there as well. Carrie Ann Lisby.

you know, Kristen Chevrier, you know, gave her support. And, you know, there were a couple people that had run for. For the House. U.S. House that were there. So people that were pretty well known and. they, you know, they... formed a rally for us. and. you know, with signs and everything supporting us. We had jury selection for three days. During that time, Ed Zahl, who was... one of the producers for the movie, died suddenly,

was there, and he was documenting everything... He was doing video and pictures and cameras. He was writing down notes. He was in the courthouse for all five days. And he published an article midweek. that basically. accused Pam Bondi of personally prosecuting me... because... it's her DOJ. that was letting this go and she should know better. That article went viral. Got picked up by Margie Taylor Green,

got picked up by Thomas Massie. and Senator Lee. And then we had a. The three members of Congress. I love. Okay, I'm so glad to hear that. And then. And then... picked up. And then we had another... larger rally on Friday. And... my son spoke at both of those rallies. One of his speeches went viral. 1.7 million views. And. And then later. And so we're. By this time we were in trial...

I actually got accused of. Of jury tampering because we act. Because we reposted the... links to the. The rallies that were happening. The prosecutors accused us of jury tampering. Thankfully, the judge shot them down and said, I think we still have a First Amendment in our country. And. so then... trial goes through Friday. I thought we had done. a really nice job... I mean, their witnesses were... the director of the CDC Covid task force, a guy by the name of Chris Dugger.

and he called us the enemy. The people that were vaccine. Hesitant, people are sick. The vaccine people were the enemy. That. He said that in court. That we were the enemy. That they had to. The enemy? Yeah, that we. That they had to change their policies because... the anti Vax people were the enemy. The enemy of. the American citizens. The American. citizens were the enemy. The federal agency is calling American citizens the enemy because they disagree.

Yes. Yes. You just shut it down. I mean, I don't understand. Okay. We had the director of barda. Gary Disbrow, the director of barda, the bio. Gosh, I can't. I wish I could remember these acronyms, what it stands for. But essentially they were the ones that were in charge of. In charge of the pharmaceutical companies... getting the COVID shots... and. And determining whether they, you know, who was going to get what and.

And... everything else. and Looking at, quote, unquote, safety and all of the stuff of these Covid vaccines and. And giving them the license to be able to distribute these products. and he was the director of that. The interesting thing was, is that... he. He came all the way across from Washington, D.C. to testify in my case. and there was a contract... that he said that he was intimately involved in negotiating... with... between the Department of Defense. Okay. Again, this is what we mentioned earlier, the DoD.

and the pharmaceutical companies. They tried to submit this contract. redacted. We... objected. You can't submit a redacted contract. The judge said, you're right. Get the contract unredacted or you can't do it. They actually got the contract. unredacted and then they decided to not present the contract. Okay. I don't know what was in the contract... My attorneys do, because it was an attorney's eyes only.

But my supposition, my speculation is, is that. I think a couple things. One is, I think that the contract. predated Covid. Okay, that's my speculation is, is that this contract was, you know, predated. They started the negotiations sometime in 2019. Okay. Just getting ready. And then it showed. how involved our government was in our Department of Defense was. in terms of development and manufacturing, and everything else of this vaccine. And I believe that it showed that they did everything and then they just slapped.

the labels on it for the pharmacist. it was called Operation Warp Speed. Operation... Who does operations? does moderna Do operations now they have product rollouts. Does Pfizer do operations? I don't think so. They're not occupying any countries. So. U.S. Military does operations. That's who does operations. Then that's why it was run by General Perna. Operation Warp Speed was run by a guy, a general in our. You know, so did the. Pardon my ignorance, though, in this interview.

Ignorance has really helped me because I'm, like, shocked by everything you've said. And your case got almost no publicity outside of Utah. They didn't want publicity. Yeah, well, it. You didn't get any. I would have been on it a lot earlier if I'd known it was happening. I tried. to, at the very beginning of my indictment. Indictment. I tried to get my indictment pushed back... because I didn't even have an attorney yet. So we're talking about January 23rd. So January 26th.... So our arraignment was January 26th.

And I tried to get it pushed back because I didn't have an attorney. And I was told at the time... that, no, we can't push it back because we have media there and. And everything else, and we don't want to change the date. So we will assign you an attorney for your arraignment only. Okay. When I showed up for my arraignment, there were exactly. zero. mainstream media people there. We had a rally that day, too. We had a couple hundred people that were out on the steps that were there. supporting us and everything else because we had put out the word. But I truly believe that even though we were told that the.

media was supposed to be there, they didn't want to delay it any further because they didn't want to give us the. opportunity to get more media publicity, to have more people there. So they didn't want media. That's why they. That's why they were going against the necessity defense. They didn't want us to put the COVID vaccine on trial. They didn't want us to put all this evidence that we could have put. Into. the COVID vaccine is the center of the story. The government property you were indicted for destroying was the COVID vaccine. The reason that you didn't want to administer the COVID vaccine because you. thought the COVID vaccine was ineffective at best and poison at worse...

The whole story is the COVID vaccine. correct right. But we weren't allowed to talk about it. Yeah. In our system, they can indict you, threaten you with life in prison, throw you in jail twice, and then decide... how you can defend yourself. Right. So one last thing... that I'll tell you... and that'll get your blood boiling going even further. I can't handle anymore, doctor. Right before trial started, the prosecution filed four more motions, and basically... they... were a motion.

So in our country, fraud requires Intent, okay? yeah. You have to intent. You have to intentionally defraud somebody. You have to have the intent... that you're taking money from somebody, that you're telling you we're going to do something and you didn't do it or you're. going to abuse it for some other reason, and that was your intent. Okay? So they filed four more motions that the judge... actually didn't deny. to preclude me. from if I got on the stand, from even me talking about what my intent was. So if I'd had to get on the stand,

it's very likely... that I wasn't even going to be able to tell the story that I just told you. In other words, the judge was going to keep me from saying, well, Dr. Moore, you can't say why it was that you're doing it. How about you just say. no?.. I'm guaranteed by the Bill of Rights. In fact, first. line item in the Bill of Rights, the right to say what I think is true. It's called the First Amendment, and I'm going to say this in court. What would happen? back to Salt Lake... City jail?

probably probably. So how are you here? Well, so that Friday. at the end of court, with all of the publicity, Marjorie Taylor Green getting a hold of, she, she said, I am sending a letter right now to AG Bondi. I believe she got on the phone with her, I think. Did you know Marjorie Taylor Green? I did not know her from Adam. Marjorie Taylor Green has helped more people individually than... any member of Congress. Of course, she never gets credit for anything, but that's true. So she's just moved by a sense of justice.

She's moved by a sense of justice coming from the state of Georgia. with me in the state of Utah. Okay. Thomas Massie put out a really nice tweet about us that went viral as well. Senator Mike Lee did. Senator Mike Lee finally contacted Attorney General Bondi as well. friday So Saturday morning, our case got dismissed. Attorney General Bondi put out a tweet. and. said, you know, Dr. Moore gave his parents a choice... or gave his patients a choice. that the federal government Did not.

I am dismissing this case. on my, at my direction, the. This ends now. Those, those three words. And... so, and then five days later, I'm in her office. meeting her. MTG. and Mike Lee, you know, so. good. I, I, you know, like I said,\. so A week before, you were facing life in prison, and the next thing you know, you're in the Attorney General's office. yes. When. What was that date that that happened? So July 12th was the day. Was a Saturday, which was the day that my case got dismissed.

And so July 17, we were in her office. So six weeks ago... How, how's your head now? Like, how's your life? It's, it's been a whirlwind. It's been a big change. We. are trying to put, put our pieces back together. I'm trying to. So from. Just to restate the timeline really quick from the day the. FBI showed up at your office. scared the hell out of your lone patient.

until... July 17th. How long was that? So two and a half years. So two and a half years just gone from your life. at age 60? Just gone. Right... And I'm having to rebuild my practice. And. And. I say start over. I mean, I'm not really kind of formally starting over, but, yeah, it's rebuilding. Your appetite for starting over, I can say, since I'm 56, diminishes with age. So, like. you don't want to do that at this age. It's just like, not you should be with.. And why do I want to stay in medicine? Right.

I mean, that's. That's the question that I struggle with every day. because. 99. of the people out there believe that I didn't do what was right or that I was. not. That. what I did was wrong. So if you got a bunch, just a cross section of American physicians and said, you know, knowing the evidence, does Dr. Moore deserve to be sent to jail twice. you know, with MS.13. and then do life in prison? How many do you think would agree?

Oh, I think that's. That's a different question. I don't know that a lot of them would agree... I think that. I. But I would say. Say that there's probably a third of them that would... There's still a third of the doctors that are out there that would. say that what I did was wrong... I falsified medical records. These are the people who lied about... the effectiveness of the COVID vaccine. correct. Right. Okay. But that's why I don't go to the doctor. I mean, this is like. That's a. This isn't. I'm not sure how you fix this. I don't either. I don't either. But that's the struggle with my profession right now is.

Is... that. it's so. It's so bought... and paid for by the pharmaceutical industry. from top to bottom... They own the textbooks, they own the medical schools, they own the journals. they. They own our conferences, they own our medical organizations, the ama, the American College of Obstetrics. You know, look, the AMA has a code of ethics, okay? The code of ethics says. it's a printed code of ethics that says.

Says. that... as a physician, you are going to come into conflict with the law. yeah. We know that that's going to happen... You have two things that you need to do as a physician. The first one is you need to try to change the law so that. it can comport back into. your code of ethics that you're Taking care of your patient. And if your second thing is, if you can't do that, you have to take care of your patient that's in front of you... I don't see the AMA standing behind me and helping me out. Is the AMA that's for late term abortion. I mean, shut up. AMA. disgusting, right? People, it is.

Liar. Why don't you go to work for Bobby Kennedy? I. don't know. If he called me, I'd probably consider it. but... you know, he's having a tough time right now too. Yeah, I know. You know, the. Dan Bongino and Kash Patel are having a hard time. Okay. The. The stink is. Is deep. Okay. And. you know, I mean, what was it just a couple of weeks ago? Dan Bongino said that if you knew what I knew,

you, you know. you. You'd struggle too. Yeah, he told me that. I love Dan. He called me, he was upset. He didn't give me any specifics. No classified information. Everything's classified. All of their wrongdoings are classified. All of my sins are public. But. But it's. It's such a rot that goes so deep. It's been going on for 250 years and... it's only gotten. It's only... Look, you know this. It's human nature. You don't.

you can't. If you don't get caught in a lie and you don't suffer the consequences of it, then you're going to lie again. And our government and our politicians and, and our industry. and everybody has been lying to us... for decades, for centuries. And it's... just, it's lie upon lie upon lie... And. you, you get to the point where, oh my gosh, you just can't. You can't get to the bottom of it. No. All made possible by secrecy. All made possible by secrecy.

I'm really. Once again, I consider you a hero. I'm grateful for what you did. I'm grateful you're still here. I hope you recover. I can't imagine what it must have done to you. And I. I... hope that... the rest of your life is spent in a really useful pursuit. I hope that you find that thing. And maybe it's... not medicine, but I think you've got a. Your example is inspiring and I think you've got a lot to give to the country. and I hope you find a way to give it. Well, I appreciate you having me on, Tucker. Oh, I mean it... Thank you, doctor.

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