America’s Plot to Overthrow Venezuela Is in Full Swing. Military Expert Col. Macgregor Explains.

Not to be the bearer of bad news, but it looks  like we're about to embark on another regime. change war like next week. There's so much going  on right now in this country that you may not be. aware that there is a US naval armada steaming  toward Venezuela, which is a large oil richch. country in South America, not too far from here  actually. And the purpose, the stated purpose. of this show of military force is to force the  leader of that country, Nicholas Maduro, to leave. And the threat is unless he leaves, vacates the  premises, gives up his job, turns over the reigns.

to the opposition party, splits Venezuela for  good, the United States will go to war with. Venezuela, invade it even. Kind of a big deal.  You may not even have known that. Very few people. seem to be talking about that. Again, there's a  lot else going on, but it's a pretty significant. turn of events if you think about it. It's not  every day the United States has another regime. change war. In fact, it's been quite some time.  We had a narrowly averted regime change war back.

in June with Iran. They were telling you the point  was just to stop its nuclear program. Of course, the point was to change the leadership in Tyrron.  President Trump pulled back. That didn't happen. Thank God. But we are on the cusp of something  very similar happening not too far from here. And. an awful lot could go wrong. And yes, we're  fully aware that anyone who points out the. potential downside possibilities of a war is not  only a wuss but unpatriotic, hysterical. The fact.

that Caracus, Venezuela, the capital, by the way,  you'll be hearing a lot more about it if we go to. war there. Caracus Venezuela, the main population  center and capital of Venezuela, is about 475. miles by sea from San Juan, Puerto Rico, the  American protectorate. So really from our country, it's pretty darn close. Super close. And that's  significant not because Venezuela's SEAL teams are.

going to blow up Puerto Rico, but because wars  tend to precipitate huge movements of people. They cause migrant crises. They cause massive and  irreversible demographic change. This has always. been true. Always been true. But we have a couple  of pretty recent reminders. Back in 2015, with the. help of the US government and the urging of our  closest ally in the Middle East, the Syrian civil. war raged and there were lots of players in that  war, but the United States was certainly one of.

them. And as the result of the Syrian civil war,  which most Americans were not paying attention to, Europe got invaded by migrants. You remember  the migrant crisis of 2015? You may not remember. because it never ended. In the 10 years since  that 1.3 millionish asylum seekers arrived in. Western Europe, Western Europe has been completely  destroyed. Totally unrecognizable. That's not an. overstatement. Go to Paris, go to London, go to  Oslo, go to any capital in Western Europe and it.

does not look Western European. And clearly that  entire part of the continent is on the dramatic. downswing. There are a lot of reasons for that,  but the main reason is immigration, mass migration. due to war. So that's not a hysterical position.  It's not crazy to worry about that considering. we're pretty close to Venezuela. So that could  happen. Also, people get killed in war. Whenever. you commit troops to a place, even if you bomb a  place, there are after effects. There are ripples.

and people die and some of those people are apt  to be your people. So if you have a war, it's fair. to expect some Americans will die. And of course,  we've had a lot of wars in the last hundred years. And Americans have been prepared to bear that  cost. Not usually the same Americans starting the. wars or cheering on the wars. They never bear that  cost because they never show up at the war. People. like Lindsey Graham haven't been to a lot of wars.  But most Americans are aware of the fact that when.

you have a war, people die, including some of our  guys. It's sad, but we tell ourselves it's worth. the cost. But it's close to inevitable. All of  that is just to say before this happens, it would. be nice to know why we're doing this. Why are we  having a regime change war? And by the way, unlike. what happened in June, the people pushing this  are just saying it right out loud. The purpose. of this adventure is to replace the government of  Venezuela. Now, we haven't liked the government.

of Venezuela for quite some time. It's been at  least 10 years. They've been under pretty tough. American sanctions. There have been now publicized  efforts to get rid of the leader of Venezuela, Nicholas Maduro, and before him, his predecessor,  Hugo Chavez, who claimed as he died of cancer. that he was infected with cancer by the CIA. No  confirmation on that. But the point is this is. a conflict of long-standing. The United States  under a number of different administrations has.

said out loud, "We would like someone else to run  that country." Now, it's a little strange if you. think about it that one country can just say to  another country, "We don't like your leadership. Leave or we'll kill you." But that's what we're  doing. Is that a precedent you want to set? Well, we said it long ago. But what's interesting  is it's hard to think of all the regime change. affected by the United States and its various  agencies whose budgets you can't know and whose.

activities are still decades later shattered in  secrecy. Of all those regime changes affected by. the US government, how many worked out well? Would  anyone say that hanging Saddam Hussein made Iraq. better, made the world safer, made America more  prosperous? Well, it empowered Iran for one thing. and so on and so on and so on. So to say the US  does not have a positive track record of regime. change that the after effects upon examination  haven't been worth doing. I mean that's an.

understatement. It never works. But we're doing it  again apparently. So the question is why? Why are. we doing this? Why are we so opposed to Nicholas  Maduro? So if you ask someone on the street, random person, why are we against Nicholas Maduro?  The answer you're going to get is who's Nicholas. Maduro? But if you find someone in South Florida,  for example, who knows who Nicholas Maduro is,

you can identify where Venezuela is on a map, that  person will almost certainly say, well, because. he's a communist or a socialist, he's exceedingly  leftwing. And that is true. Nicholas Maduro and. his government are very leftwing on economics,  not on social policy, by the way, which is kind of. interesting. In Venezuela, gay marriage is banned,  abortion is banned, sex changes for transgenderism. are banned. It's one of the very few countries in  the entire hemisphere with those policies. It is.

on social policy. Not defending the regime, just  saying. One of the most conservative countries in. North or South or Central America. Only El  Salvador really comes close, which is much. smaller, of course. And by the way, the USbacked  opposition leader who would take Maduro's place. if he were taken out is of course pretty eager to  get gay marriage in Venezuela. So to those of you. who thought this whole project was global homo,  not crazy actually. So the average person when.

asked would say, "We got to get rid of the guy  because his politics are bad, his ideas are bad, we're in favor of democracy, of course. That's  why we're supporting the unelected dictator in. Ukraine because we're for democracy. That's why we  had the 2020 election with the dropboxes and the. fake mail and ballots because we're for democracy.  But democracy because we have a moral obligation. to make sure that good government reigns in our  hemisphere. That would be the answer. But that's.

not really a compelling answer. Is that really the  reason? So if we see a leader in our hemisphere. or anywhere in the world who's dictatorial,  who I don't know, cancels his own citizens, arrest them for saying bad things, we overthrow  that person. That's not really the standard. No, our closest ally in Europe is the UK. And famously  last year, the UK sent three times as many people. to jail as Russia did for saying naughty things  on social media. So the UK, the government of.

Great Britain under Kier Starmer is authoritarian.  Obviously, it's not a democratic government. You. can have a democratic government with censorship  by definition. Of course, if people can't say what. they believe is true, they're not free people.  It's not a democracy. They don't own the country. They're under the thumb of a dictator. But there's  no move to liberate long-suffering Britons from. Kier armor. Maybe there should be, but there  isn't. So, I think we can discount, we can safely.

discount democracy as a reason for affecting  regime change in Venezuela. We're not going to. go kill Nicholas Maduro because we don't like the  way he's treating his people. It's possible we're. mad that he doesn't allow gay marriage. That is a  distinct possibility, but no one will say that out. loud. So, what could be the other reasons? Well,  energy, that's the obvious one. Venezuela has the. deepest proven oil reserves, the biggest proven  oil reserves in the world. Venezuela has more.

oil than Saudi Arabia does. Now it's low-grade  oil, dirty oil, and its infrastructure, its oil. extraction infrastructure is in terrible shape  after 10 years of sanctions and mismanagement. by the government, etc., etc. Again, none of  this is a defense of Maduro's economic policies, but they're not that out of whack with a lot of  different places, a lot of different countries. In fact, they're not that different from the  economic policies of the incoming mayor of New. York. Actually, to be honest, the big difference  is that Nicholas Maduro is a social conservative.

and mom Donnie is all about transing your  kids. But whatever. Oil. People say, "Well, of course it's about oil." Is it about oil?  Hm. Doesn't seem to be about oil. There are a. bunch of American oil companies, big ones and  little ones, independent and publicly traded, who would like to get into Venezuela. They can't  because of sanctions, but they'd like to change. that so they can help Venezuela extract its  mineral resources and make money in the process.

and presumably help the United States in the  process. They haven't been allowed to do that. So if your goal was to secure as much oil as you  could, as much energy as you could for the United. States and help American energy companies  build their businesses, employ Americans, of course you would stop moralizing long enough to  let Americans rebuild Venezuela's aging extraction.

infrastructure. But we're not doing that.  So is it really about oil? H probably not. Well, then it's about drugs. That's what we've  been hearing now. It's about drugs. Venezuela is. a drugdeing nation. Its regime is involved in drug  trafficking. And by the way, sounds true. Probably. is true. Is Maduro or people around Maduro  involved in the drug trade in some way? Probably.

Would think so. How many Latin American heads of  state aren't? That's a good question. But that's. not an excuse. That's bad. But how significant is  Venezuela in the hemispheric drug trade? Like if. you're looking at the drug trade in the United  States, how much of that comes from Venezuela? Well, we have a fentanyl crisis famously. Does  fentanyl come from Venezuela? No, it it doesn't. Actually comes from Mexico. Huh. What about meth?  Well, meth also also comes from Mexico. Hm. What.

about cocaine? That would be Peru, Bolivia, and  Colombia. Not to say that drugs don't come from. Venezuela. Of course, they do. But most drugs  that wind up in this country do not come from. Venezuela. They're not produced there. They're  not trafficked through there. And the cartels that. distribute them and kill people in our country  are not Venezuelan. They're Mexican. All of them. the top five drug cartels operating in the United  States, including the ones that control entire.

counties in Northern California, huge parts  of the American Southwest, Florida, Texas, all over Northern New England, those are all  Mexican. So, it's probably not about drugs. What. is it about? We should know, not simply to argue  against it. I mean, we have no control. Clearly, no one is asking the American public whether they  want another regime change war. No one is asking.

Trump voters whether they want another regime  change war. Nobody cares. So, it's going to happen. no matter what people think. In fact, if it does  happen, it will likely happen at a time when most. Americans had no idea it was about to happen. In  other words, it'll be a huge surprise to everyone. if this happens except those 18 people, if it's  even that high a number, who still watch the. broadcast television Sunday shows. If you're one  of those people, likely someone in intensive care,

strapped to a gurnie, the attendants's going out  for a cigarette and taking the remote and you. can't change the channel, you may have seen this  on Sunday. This is Senator Lindsey Graham of South. Carolina reolent with glee as he describes our  plans to kill Nicholas Maduro. Watch. Venezuela. is now partnering with Hezbollah. Hezbollah  is running out of money because Iran is weak. Partnering with drug cartels in Venezuela. No,  it should have stopped. Here's what here's what's.

new. You got a commander-in-chief's not going to  put up with this crap. We're not going to sit on. the sidelines and watch boats full of drugs come  to our country. We're going to blow them up and. kill the people that want to poison America. And  we're now going to expand operations, I think, to the land. We're not going to torture you by  replaying that tape. But if you rewind it in. your spare time, to the point where he says, and  I'm quoting, "We're going to kill people." You can. see a little shiver of excitement go through  his aging frame. We're going to kill people.

We're going to kill people and we're going  to kill them as Lindsey Graham just explained. because Hezbollah in Lebanon. So, you have  definitely heard about eight sleep by now. People are talking about the well-rested people,  you know, are talking about it. It's a company. with one mission, improve your sleep, and is  changing the way Americans get a good night's. sleep. And trust me, they need it. So, we just  received word that their team is launching a new.

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There's probably not five people who voted for  Donald Trump who didn't do so with the security of. southern Lebanon in mind. We got to get Hezbollah  out of southern Lebanon. And anyone anyone who has. any connection to Hezbollah must be invaded and  killed. Of course. And as you learned in school, the main funer of Hezbollah is of course Venezuela  have a lot in common. Language, religion,

proximity. What I mean, okay, so they're Hezbollah  guys in Venezuela. Well, there are Hezbollah guys. here. They're Hezbollah sympathizers probably  in a lot of different countries. Okay. What does. that have to do with us? Have a lot of Americans  been killed by Hezbollah in the United States with. money from Venezuela? If so, when did that happen?  Can you prove it? Can you speak slowly so I can.

understand it? Can you show me the receipts? Can  you give me some explanation for what this is and. why we're doing this? Hezbollah drugs. So, it's  a mystery. Clearly, there's something going on. One obvious partial explanation is there's  a big Venezuelan exile community in South. Florida. Super nice people. Actually, some of the  nicest people you will ever meet. Good values, decent people. They're mad about what happened in  Venezuela. They have every reason to be mad about.

it. A lot of them had all their stuff taken.  Had to flee to Florida or a lot of it taken. Not all of it, judging by their houses, but good  people for real. Venezuelan exiles, Cuban exiles, a lot of Latin American exiles in South Florida.  They're mad about what happened in their home. countries. Totally understandable. Easy to be very  sympathetic to them. I am personally sympathetic. to them. On the other hand, these are people who  just got here. And so why would they be using the. US military to settle some score in a country  that's not America? Doesn't really seem like.

the way things should work. America offers you  refuge. Great. We feel good about it. You feel. good about it. we feel morally superior. You work  hard and thrive. And that's kind of worked. But. the moment when you decide, well, wait a second.  I'm going to use the military power of the country. that gave me shelter to fix things in the country  I came from. You're going to have to tell me why.

that's a good idea for me and for everyone else.  the hundreds of millions of other Americans who. didn't come from anywhere else who were born here,  whose grandparents were born here. Why should we. be paying for that? How was that good for us?  Shut up. No one ever asked those questions. So, it's possible that there's been quite a bit of  lobbying by Venezuelan exiles in South Florida.

to do this. And of course, we know that that's  true. But is that really the reason? It feels. like there must be something else going on.  You don't send the US Navy to go affect regime. change because people in three counties in one  state want it, do you? Maybe there's something. else. Not exactly sure what it is. Someone  should look into this cuz it's apparently. really important. But let's linger on the last  explanation, the stated explanation. You'll notice.

after Lindsey Graham finished hyperventilating  about Hezbollah, whatever that is. By the way, he left out the part about why I should care.  Oh, they're behind the 1983 barracks bombing. Okay. Yeah, I remember that. That was 42 years  ago. There's a lot going on. UPS just laid off. almost 50,000 workers. So, tell me why Hezbollah  is the top of my concern list. Oh, shut up. But after he got done with the Hezbollah part and  restoring peace to southern Lebanon, key concern.

for most Americans, he said, "This is about drugs,  bringing boats of drugs." Now, we already went. through the numbers. Of course, there are probably  drugs coming from Venezuela. It's a chaotic. country. It's a poor country. Per capita income's  like $8,000. Yeah, there are drugs in Venezuela, but Venezuela is not where most drugs are coming  from. So if you wanted to address the drug crisis. in the United States, what would you do? Well,  first you would acknowledge it's an actual crisis.

More Americans have died, many more Americans have  died of drug ODS over the last 100 years than in. all wars during that time combined, including the  Second World War. Something like 416,000 Americans. died. the Korean War, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan,  all of them put together, we've had far more. Americans die from drugs than from all conflicts.  So back when 40 years ago when Ronald Reagan was.

declaring a war on drugs, now widely mocked,  it wasn't totally crazy. This is in its effect, in its death count, in its toll on America like a  war. And you don't even need to know the numbers. to know that. There's not a town in America,  there's not a person in America who doesn't know. someone who knows someone who's died of drugs.  It's destroyed a lot of this country. And so if.

you were going to use the US military to fight the  drug problem, you might start here. If you were. going to take the national security state and use  its awesome power to fix the drug problem, well, I mean, maybe you could start by deporting drug  dealers because in every state with a drug crisis, the people trafficking the drugs and in many cases  selling the drugs are foreign nationals. That's.

true. That is an industry that's been completely  outsourced. It's not Americans anymore. Americans. aren't growing weed in Mendescino County. Mexican  cartels are growing weed in Menescino County and. on Bul County. They're not. No, American citizens  are not selling meth in New Mexico or fentanyl. in Arizona. No, it's Mexican nationals are doing  that. Americans aren't selling opioids in Market.

Square in San Francisco. No, it's people from  Guatemala and none of those people are citizens. Why not deport them? It shouldn't just be people  with bad foreign policy views that get deported. Also, we should deport drug dealers. So, you  you know, that would be a good precise use. A universally popular use of ICE, it seems to  me, is to start with the retail dealers. Oh, but that's not the root of the problem. Depends  how you think about it. We don't necessarily have.

to fix the problem at its root to make people's  lives better. If there are drug dealers in front. of your kids' school and then the next day they're  not there, that's a massive improvement for you. and your kids. Did we solve the drug problem? Did  we burn the poppy fields? No. But we solved your. problem. And solving people's problems is the  purpose of government. So, let's start there. But maybe even before we did that, we would  look clearly at what we're facing and we would.

experience the rage and the shame that comes from  acknowledging that your priorities are completely. backward. Our leaders spend their lives looking  across the globe at fading empire and thinking, "How do I shore this up? How do I affect change  here? How do I knock off that leader? How do I. send the CIA paramilitaries or the Delta Force in  to do something dramatic? And as they're focused.

on those problems, they miss what Portland, Oregon  looks like, what Portland, Maine looks like, what San Francisco, what every big city in  this country looks like. Degraded, filthy evil. As a reminder, in case you haven't looked  it squarely in the face, here's Portland, Oregon. Every Friday, this paraphernelia  popup opens for business in this busy.

Northwest Portland neighborhood, providing clean  needles and pipes to drug users free of charge, no questions asked. The goal, reducing harm by  preventing infections and disease. The problem, the location, right in the middle of a school  zone. Essentially, our message is we want them. to relocate. Do your outreach. Just don't do it  within 550 ft of a kindergarten. If you do it, is it that way? Parents and neighbors have since  joined forces accusing Portland Street Medicine. and the Portland People's Outreach Group or PPOP  of refusing request after request to move their.

operations out of the school zone. Videos and  photos obtained by Fox 12 show why they're so. concerned. They say every week the free giveaway  immediately attracts droves of drug users followed. by a swarm of drug dealers with the resulting  street party lasting for days. Drugs like. fentanyl and meth sold in broad daylight. Users  disregarding the presence of children nearby.

and no evidence of outreach workers providing  any treatment literature or sharps containers. The way I see it, what they're doing is they come  into our neighborhood, they pour gasoline on a. fire, and the fire gets worse. And it gets worse  every week. It get worse every month. It gets. worse every year. They drop needles, they drop  the pipes, and then they leave. It's the saddest. thing. That's a society completely out of control.  That's a civilization in collapse. And the saddest.

thing of all is the expectations of the neighbors  and the parents. Move it out of the school zone. the school zone. The school zone. How about the  city? How about the state? How about our country? Get out now. If you're giving drug paraphernalia  to drug addicts, you're going to get shut down. immediately. If you're a convenience store selling  meth pipes and brillow pads and fake opioids,

we're going to shut you down. We're not going to  have any tolerance for this. Normal countries have. zero tolerance for this. Zero tolerance for it.  And because they have zero tolerance for it, when. you visit them, you feel immediately that this  is a safe country. This is a clean country. This. a country under control with self-respect. They  don't put up with that in Japan. They don't put up. with that in Doha Qatar. Sorry. They don't put up  with that in any civilized country. They don't say.

just get out of the school zone. They say, "We're  not putting up with this because this is our. country. You can't just live on the street smoking  meth anywhere. School zone, park, anywhere. We're. not We're not doing that because we know where it  leads. It leads to where it's led in this country. Total devastation and death and degradation and  loss of self-respect and chaos and filth. It's. not hard. You don't need to kill Nicholas Maduro  to fix the problem. You need to shut down the NOS.

that are making the problem worse. They're your  enemy. Your enemy and the enemy of civilization, giving needles and pipes to drug addicts. They'll  give you some lecture about harm reduction. How. about we just end the harm right now by shutting  down those NOS's? It's not complex. You don't need. the US Navy to do that. DOJ could do that. The  entire state of Oregon and many other states,

but Oregon specifically is in a state of  insurrection by its total unwillingness to abide. by federal narcotics laws. They just legalized  fentanyl and crack. Can you do that? Can you. legalize slavery? Can you? Of course you can't.  You can't just ignore federal law. And if you can,

why why are you paying your taxes? Seriously, if  Oregon can legalize crack, why are you following. any federal law if it's all optional? If it's all  a cart, I don't think I agree with that. I don't. think I'm going to do it. Why have a federal  government? Maybe we shouldn't have a federal. government. Maybe 50 states can live the way they  want. Okay, that's a totally different system. Maybe we should try that. But under the system we  have right now, federal law supersedes state law.

You have to obey. Previous presidents have sent  tens of thousands of troops into various states. over violations of federal law. The refusal of  a state to follow federal law. But when it comes. to drugs, we ignore it. The one thing that is  most obviously destroying the United States at. its core level, which is to say destroying the  people of the United States, we just ignore it. This would be a good time to use  force. I know it probably wouldn't.

fix the Hezbollah problem. Hezbollah Hezbollah. But it might make people's lives better in our  country. Maybe that's why they're not interested. in doing it. Maybe that's why Mark Levin isn't  calling for it because it's just about us and. like who cares? Shut up and pay. But of course, it  would be a mistake to pretend it's just Portland, Oregon. It's also Tampa, Florida. It's also  Phoenix, Arizona. It's also Oklahoma City.

And it's Bangor. And it's every single city in  this country has a deadly drug problem. The TE. state has killed more Americans in the last  hundred years than all wars combined. Here's. Philadelphia. Watch this. Alarm bells are sounding  in Philadelphia about Tran. You'd see people kind. of like walking around looking like animals when  their knuckles are touching the ground. Now Art.

El Malik's hands and knuckles are swollen to  three times their natural size from exposure. to the animal sedative xylazine. Street name Tran.  When I was leaving, somebody had took samples and. that's what got me stuck, man. They had samples  are pretty dope. The xylazine now mixed into. 90% of Philadelphia's fentinyl and heroin supply.  Drugs that drive fatal overdoses. Adding a horse. tranquilizer, something more sedating, uh,  makes it feel like it lasts longer. But now,

fentinel addicts newly addicted to xylazine, seen  knotting out and falling over along Philadelphia's. notorious Kensington Avenue, are also developing  dangerous sores on their bodies. Big holes all. over you. these sewers in your legs and go  wherever they just pop you out of anywhere. Have the doctors told you that you could lose  your leg? Yes. And that's not enough to get you. to stop. Trying. It's not It's a lot easier said  than done. The next time someone lectures you at.

Hamas or Hezbollah, show them that video. That's  your country. Those are your countrymen. Those. are your people. And they're not only dying. It's  worse than that. They're living death. They're so. degraded. You heard the guy say they live like  animals. Killing Maduro, guess you can make a. case for it. It's not going to fix that. It's  not going to even touch that. So why not go right.

to the actual problem, which is we put up with  this stuff. We shouldn't. Our federal government. doesn't care. Lindsey Graham has zero interest  in solving these problems. But those are the. real problems. They're the problems you can walk  to. They're problems in your city. They're the. reason you don't live in the city you grew up in  anymore. They've driven you out of your own city. We're running out of places to run to. And nobody  cares. They're not sending the US Navy to fix the.

city you grew up in because it's not Hezbollah.  So the question is, are we actually about to. embark on a regime change war in Venezuela? What  is this naval armada doing on its way to Caracus? Simply Safe stops crime before it happens,  which is the way to stop it. Most security.

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plsafe.com/tucker. There is no safe like simply  safe. Colonel Douglas McGregor commanded the. last I think the last tank battle uh that the  US Army participated in during the first Iraq. war. A graduate of West Point and a frequent guest  joins us now to assess the likelihood of a regime. change war against Maduro. Doug, thanks so much  for coming on. Are we doing this? It looks bad.

Uh it in fact it looks like it could happen on  four or five November. The reason I bring that up, it just so happens to be a full moon which would  lend credence to the argument that lunatics are. ruling us in Washington DC. You know, you you've  gone down the list of reasons and there are a. couple that I would add because I recently went  into DC and I talked to some people. Some of the. people I talk to are just below the decision maker  level and these are the usual smug resume builders.

who come in and out through every administration  hoping that at some point they'll get a high level. appointment. And they said a couple of things  that I thought were interesting. First they said, "Well, you got to understand, Doug, we're flipping  the chessboard on Russia and China." I I said, "What?" "Oh, yes. Don't you understand? By going  into Venezuela, we're saying a very strong message. because Russia and China have tried to build up  and cultivate support there and we're telling.

them that they can't do it. We're flipping the  chessboard. Well, I said, well, I I don't think. the Russians are prepared to fight for Venezuela.  In fact, I know that Putin has given very explicit. instructions to the Venezuelans. You're on your  own. We'll give you equipment and assistance if. you if we can, but forget it. We're not going to  fight for you. the Chinese certainly aren't going. to send the Chinese navy to the Caribbean to stand  off and fight us. That's not going to happen. And. I said that. I said, "So, you know, you can't make  this argument that this has some great strategic.

value that justifies this enormous task force."  And, you know, it it ultimately boiled down to. it's time for us to be strong again. as though  bombing hapless people in Venezuela or Colombia. or Nicaragua or anywhere in Latin America is  testimony to our greatness as a nation. And. then of course the final straw is well we've got  to we've got to destroy the drug problem where it. originates. Well, I've got a a big flash of the  obvious. The drug problem originates here inside.

the United States. You're you're not going to get  anywhere by bombing Mexico just because Mexico. provides most of the fentinel. When I say Mexico,  we're talking about the cartels. And Mexico is an. organized crime state. It has been for a while.  They're going to do what they can, but the Mexican. army is much more responsive to the cartels than  it is to the president of Mexico. So, you know, bombing these places is going to stop anything.  It's not going to improve anything. It may turn. out to rally all of Latin America against us. The  evil Yankee who's intervening yet again inside.

Central and South America. We're blamed for almost  everything that's wrong down there. All we're. doing is saying, "I guess you're right. Look  what we're doing now. It's not going to change. anything." But that means you've got to come  home. This seems to be the thing that no one in. Washington wants to do. Somebody said, "Doug, what  do you want to come home for? You know, we have. troops all over the place. We have What do you  want to come back here for?" I said, "Because what. happens here is far more important and existential  for us than anything beyond our borders.".

The world has changed. Putting little packets of  troops or ships here or there isn't going to stop. things from happening overseas. They're going to  happen whether we like it or not. And the good. news is most of what happens beyond our borders  doesn't matter to us. It's not a a reflection. on us. We need to focus here. And I said, you  know, if you exercise some restraint right now, you bring the forces back to the United States,  defend the borders, defend the coastal waters,

and then crack down on the peddlers. And I would  add child trafficking to the drug trafficking, of course. And I would the death penalty for  anybody who engages in it. That means you're going. to go to trial and if you're found guilty, you're  going to face the death penalty or reason. Oh, that's terrible. But it's okay to bomb Venezuela.  you know, don't execute the drug peddler or the. child trafficker, but let's bomb Venezuela.  Doesn't make any damn sense whatsoever. That's.

where people's heads are right now in Washington  DC. But I I worry I mean, it used to be Well, you you're the army officer. You tell me.  But I my understanding was in a democracy, you know, in in our republic, the president  has constitutional authority to just send. troops and start wars effectively. um even without  congressional approval I've noticed. But there was. always this expectation that someone would explain  why we're doing this. You didn't want to go into a.

conflict because of course you never really know  what's going to happen without getting the public. on board. And I don't think I know five people  who know this is about to happen. Well, you know, you bring something up that's very interesting.  Uh somebody pointed out to me just the other day, Benjamin Franklin told uh the population that  was standing out in front of Independence Hall. when they asked, "What sort of government do  we have now, Mr. Franklin?" This is after the. constitutional convention. He said, "Well, you  have a republic if you can keep it." He said, "We.

need to change that because today, if Ben Franklin  came back, he would say, "You have a drama queen. republic if you can keep it." Yeah. We have a  lot of friv frivolous theatrics in Washington. that passes for diplomacy and policy. We have a  president and you know that I like the president. personally, always have, but everything is about  theatrics and optics and appearances. And now we. have the prime minister of Japan who just made  wonderful deals for for Japan with us. By the way,

uh Japan is going to continue to buy oil and gas  from Russia. There will be no change in that. Uh, Japan is going to invest more in the United  States. We're already heavily invested here as. it is. That's not a big deal. Although Toyota has  since come back and said, "We're not increasing. our investment. Sorry, we didn't make that  promise." But we she gave Donald Trump the. most expensive set of golf clubs in world history.  They're beautiful. They're magnificent. And she.

promised that she would nominate him for the Nobel  Peace Prize. And suddenly, President Trump says, "This has been a big success. We are winning." So  now he goes on to South Korea. I'm I'm sure he'll. get some similar treatment there. And oh, by the  way, I see no evidence that India is going to stop. buying oil and gas from Russia either. And now we  have this ceasefire that was declared a few weeks. ago that's just completely disastrously violated  by the Israelis. And everybody says, "Okay, that's.

fine." So what are we dealing with? We're dealing  with facades, illusions. And I think Venezuela is. another illusion. Instead of doing exactly what  you've suggested, turning inward, focusing here. at home on what's important, bring the forces  back. If we'll exercise some restraint now, we'll. build more capability for the future. But there is  no long-term planning. We launched a tariff war.

There's no stability in the tariff regime. It's  driving everyone crazy. They talk about the dollar. is reserve currency. That's all shifting into  pure gold now. Ask Nasim Talib. Ask Ray Dalio. Ask anybody. Gold is the new reserve currency.  We're not even prepared for that world. We're. not paying attention to it. Let's bomb Venezuela.  Let's bomb Colombia. Let's punish those bastards. They're the ones that created this drug problem.  No, they're not. They're feeding an appetite.

in North America for something that people will  pay a lot of money for. Crack down on the on the. appetite at home. Secure the borders, the coastal  waters, and stay out of Central and South America. I I just I don't understand how I mean our public  conversation is so dominated by Hamas, Hezbollah, all these far away Ukraine, Russia, these faraway  conflicts, groups that are really not connected.

to the United States and haven't over time posed  a meaningful threat to the United States. You're. not even allowed to say that Hamas does not pose  a threat to the United States and never has. Like, what? Why am I mad about more mad about  Hamas than I'm mad about the open air. drug market in Philadelphia? I Why don't any  politicians in the Congress put the open air. drug market in Philadelphia above the threat  of Hamas? What is that? Well, I think Well, I think you have an answer of sorts. And it comes,  interestingly enough, from Mrs. Mashado. I don't.

know if she's married or not, so I call her Mrs.  She may just be Miss Mashado. She's the lady that. just won the Nobel Peace Prize, and she's from  Venezuela. and she said, "If we're liberated by. the US armed forces and they remove Maduro,  our first act will be to move the Venezuelan. embassy to Jerusalem. What does that have to do  with I'm completely confused like what?" Well,

you can't be that confused. I think uh she's she's  hit on something very important. She's figured. out where the power lies and she's playing to the  audience that makes the decisions. You're you're. talking about this democracy business. We've  always been a republic with limited democracy, but I think we can pretty much conclude that we're  ruled now by a small group of extraordinarily. wealthy people, billionaire oligarchs. Those  are the terms they use in Eastern Europe and. places like Ukraine. Yeah. I think they're in  charge. I think they're calling the shots. And.

I think there are interests in the oil resources,  oil and gas primarily, although let's face it, they've got gold mines and emerald mines as  well and other things. I'm told they have a. lot of lithium. There may be a true interest in  putting in a puppet government and finding way. to extract these resources because right now,  for the first time in 30 years, all the central. banks beyond the borders of the United States,  around the world, hold more gold than we do.

That's a very important thing to understand.  So, how do you begin to reverse this process of. managed decline, which is really what we've been  on now for the last 25 years? Well, oil is part of. it. Oil is gold. And even though the go the oil  is exactly what you described, it's heavy oil, high sulfur content, requires a lot of refining,  but still we have the best oil engineers in the. world, especially for deep drilling. It will  probably for the same amount of money we pay.

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Trump was questioned in the Oval Office last  week and they said we understand and Mr. Maduro. approached you through intermediaries no doubt and  offered you a very lucrative uh deal. I'm told it. was about a stake in the oil and gas industry  all sorts of things like that. And he replied, he said, 'Oh yes, it was not just a good deal.  He offered everything. And so people looked said, "Was that not enough?" No, that's not enough. I  think there's something else going on here beyond.

that. Clearly, clearly that's what I'm asking. I  asked people and some people have said, "Well, you. remember Venezuela was involved in that Dominion  software scandal? Uh remember that Dominion. software was developed for Hugo Chavez." I said,  'Okay, maybe this is a personal grudge match. I don't know, but I do know that there's this  feeling that President Trump needs a win. He wants.

a win. He's not going to get a win out of Ukraine.  Doesn't look like he's going to get a win out of. the Middle East. So, where does he go for a win? I  guess. How about Philadelphia or Portland? No, I'm. serious. I mean, that that was the whole point.  That was why, you know, people voted for that. It's It's not hard. And for the resources we're  spending just to send the ships to the Caribbean, you know, you could do a lot for downtown Atlanta.  Like, isn't that what people want? 77 million.

people voted for exactly what you're describing.  There's there's no question about it. But I don't. think that is necessarily the kind of theater  that Washington's interested in. And I don't think. people on the Hill may also include uh friends of  President Trump and others are necessarily going. to profit from any of that activity. I mean,  we're watching an awful lot of huge hundred. million billion dollar deals closed all over the  place by people connected back to Washington right.

now. That's not new. We saw that under the Biden  and Clinton administrations, but it's certainly. vulgar and out in the open right now. uh you  don't close those kinds of deals by shutting. down the drug trade and the child trafficking  in Philadelphia or Seattle or anywhere else. I do think it's fair for people to say, "Okay, you  know, do your deals, do your crypto or whatever, but we don't want to live like animals and we  want, you know, our kids to be able to buy a.

home and like there should be more balance here.  Like no presidency should be completely dominated. by foreign policy concerns." And yet most of  them seem to be. Well, they're drawn into it. because it's a wonderful platform for them to  display their decisiveness, their strength, their courage, their leadership. That that's the  way people think of it. But you're right, it it's. an illusion. And you know what? I know President  Trump from the standpoint of foreign policy to.

some extent was very clear to me the last time I  spoke with him and worked with him that he wanted. to get our forces out of Europe. Now, very  recently, nobody's paid any attention to it, but suddenly we're finally withdrawing troops from  Romania and Bulgaria. That's a very wise thing to. do. Thank God. Let's get them out of Poland, get  them out of Lithuania, start pulling them out of. Germany. We don't need those forces over there.  And the Europeans don't need those forces. There. is no threat to Europe from Russia. I think he  knows that. I think he knows that China isn't.

going to invade Taiwan. And so you see him moving  through Asia diplomatically and behind the scenes, everybody is telling him, "We're not supporting  a war with China. China is not a military threat. to us." I think he understands that. So I think  he wants to focus at home. But this thing in the. Caribbean basin is is clearly not an original idea  on his part. He agrees the threat from Central and. South America, but particularly Central America is  very serious. He knows that. But the issue is how.

do you deal with it? and you deal with it along  the lines that we've described. But how do you. face people who say, "Well, I don't want you to  arrest someone and then if they're found guilty, punish them with the death penalty if they're  trafficking children or they're trafficking. drugs." But the same people that object to that  will turn around and say, "Well, I don't want you. to bomb innocent people in Venezuela or Colombia."  They need to make up their minds. They need to.

understand what is required, what is necessary  for the survival of the country. You're right. You know, we had a dispute over this federal law  issue back in 1861. We solved it. It was ugly, but we did it. And we may have to solve it  again. I keep wondering when the John Brown. moment arrives. Uh we've got a lot of evidence  that one is coming because we can't let governors. and mayors stand there and pour filth and abuse  all over our federal laws and simply say no,

we won't enforce them. And by the way, we regard  you and your police forces as the enemy. Yeah, it's insane. So since since you're I just have  to ask you a final question about Russia Ukraine. When does that conflict end? My impression is  that since President Trump concluded that he. wasn't going to get a ceasefire that he could tout  as another great foreign policy achievement like. the last ceasefire in Gaza, he's lost interest.  I think he knows that he can't settle that. But.

remember, he made remarks before he was elected  which were very unfortunate, telling everyone, "I can end this with a phone call in 24 hours."  no understanding whatsoever of the problem. That. that is very unfortunate. The problem is far more  serious. By the end of this week, he is going to. meet I think it's in the next few days. It may be  next week, I don't know. He's going to be meeting. with the leaders of the five central Asian  republics, you know, Tajjikstan, Usbekiststan,

Kazak, and so forth. He wants to talk to them  about commercial arrangements with us and trade. This is going to be a real serious issue for  the Russians and the Chinese. First of all, the Moscow has not forgotten our attempted coup  at about in in January, February of 2022 when we. tried to overthrow the government of Pakistan.  The Russians went in there at the request of.

the president and stabilize it. This was another  one of these color revolutions cooked up by the. National Endowment for Democracy, which should  be the National Endowment for Anarchy. And uh, of course, the CIA always the CIA bucks around  in Central Asia all the time. We're still pumping. hundreds of millions of dollars into places  like Afghanistan that are really destined to. support subversive elements in Central Asia.  The Russians don't like it. They don't want. it. Neither do the Chinese. They want stability  there. They want to build the one belt, one road,

which they know will bring prosperity to the  people of Central Asia. And they also have a. long memory. They don't want Central Asia to  become what it was a few hundred years ago, which was the greatest force in the world under  someone like Jenghis Khan. And people laugh. Well, you don't understand Central Asia and the people  that live there. But they could be mobilized. They could be united and present a real danger to  everyone. The Russians and the Chinese understand. this. They don't want that to happen. But we're in  the business of subverting and destabilizing. And.

this visit now will not be treated as something  positive in Moscow. They will see this as another. attempt to undermine Russian and Chinese security.  That's a meeting he doesn't need to hold. But he's. going everywhere. He's selling America. That's  his argument. I don't think people understand. the implications. So the bottom line is President  Trump has great instincts, but then he walks into. the swamp and he gets mugged early and people  distract him into areas where he's not familiar.

And they put it they're going to put an end to his  presidency if they drag him into Venezuela. That. place is a is a terrible terrible mess for us.  We can't fix it. We shouldn't try. Let the people. that live there do it. And if they say, "Well,  they can't," well that's their problem. It's. their home. Yeah, remember Venezuela has 1,700  m of coastline, 1,370 mi border with Colombia,

1,380 mi border with Brazil. And I'm being told  by people with experience down there that you've. got a 100,000 paramilitaries along their border  in Brazil and Colombia that are just can't wait. to go into Venezuela and fight us if we go into  that country. And this sort of thing will spread. It's the last thing that we need. What we need is  stability and peace. I would urge the president. to re reconsider his rejection of this proposal  from Maduro and get out of this business of regime.

change. Particularly when you know that somebody  like Mashado is playing to the wrong audience. What a joke. Why are we trying to install this  woman? It makes no sense. Well, because she'll. bring gay marriage to to Venezuela and that's  that's important. I mean, that's what we stand. for. Uh, well, you know, you got you got some real  criminals. Let me just finish up here real quick. On the hills around Caracus, you've got as many  as 8,000 Colombian drug criminals. They're there.

There's no question about it. Maduro has clamped  down on them, contrary to what people here think. He's holding them in check. That's not an easy  thing to do in Latin America. As you know, you. visited El Salvador. Yeah. You know the region.  You know what it's like. This woman can't do that. So my point is that if you don't like it now,  it'll get a lot worse if we go in there. Yeah, but I mean, is he protecting the trans community?  No. You know, so let's kill him. Um, thank you,

Doug. Great to see you. Thank you, Tucker. So,  there are at least two ways either ends of the. telescope to consider the drug problem. One is  at the level of countries. the root problem and. the other is at the level of your experience  your daily life. So Washington is very focused. on the macro. We need to sign this treaty. We  need to depose this dictator. We need to send.

military force to this region. We need to change  this policy. But most people understand drugs in. terms of like their niece who is living on the  street or their nephew or college roommate's son. or their own daughter who dies of a fentanyl  o and the truth is it's probably easier less.

expensive and much more effective to deal with  the drug drug problem on the level of experience. which is to say in your daily life than it is on  some international level. Root causes are hard to. pin down. Everyone's got a theory about what the  root cause is for everything. But no one needs. to theorize about what a nodding fentanyl addict  looks like or someone having some kind of manic. episode on the subway because he smoked too much  meth. That is something everybody understands and.

authorities local, state, and federal have made  basically zero effort to fix those problems for. the last 30 years. And as a result, hundreds and  hundreds and hundreds of thousands of Americans. have died and a much greater number have had their  lives destroyed. For a time, a long time, Jenny. Burton was one of those. She's from the state of  Washington. She was addicted to drugs. She was. arrested multiple times. In fact, this is what she  looked like. This is a mug shot from Jenny Burton.

There she is at the height of her drug addiction.  Look familiar? Our parks and our sidewalks in. every American city are full of people who look  exactly like that. The difference is that Jenny. Burton recovered completely. We've spoken to her  before because she has a perspective that people. really ought to hear. And that that perspective is  what is it like to be the victim of all of this, of these root causes, and what can we do to help  people like her, like your niece, Jenny Burton.

joins us now. Jenny, thanks so much for coming on.  Thanks for having me, Tucker. So, um, these groups. that hand out needles and pipes to addicts, um,  this started, you know, 40 years ago in Europe, in Switzerland, in Zurich, um, and was abandoned  because it seemed to make the problem worse. But. in this country, it's only become better funded,  more widespread. No one has really pushed back.

against it in a meaningful way. What effect does  handing pipes to methheads have on the methheads, do you think? Well, it exacerbates the problem. It  It helps us stay stuck in a state of dependency. So, we're actually contributing to the destruction  of human life and we've made an industry out of. it in the United States. It it does seem like an  industry. It seems like it employs an awful lot. of people. It employs more people. These NOS's  employ more people than drug addicts they're.

saving. I mean, have you ever heard of any drug  addict who's like, "Oh, a free pipe. I'm going to. stop using drugs." Yeah. It it really it doesn't  happen that way. Um, a person has to be removed. from the destructive path in order to gain that  clarity. I think it's a very very small percentage. of people that can be immersed in the problem in  that hypnotic sort of intimate relationship with.

drugs and actually find their way out. And I'm  talking a really small percentage. So yeah, we're. we're definitely contributing to the problem.  Can I share something really interesting with. you actually? Yes. So in 2001 911 happened um 2002  early 2002 George Bush um extended uh unemployment. benefits. It was called worker retraining and  he allowed for I believe it was a 13-week um.

extension for anybody that was um going to receive  a certificate because they were displaced because. of what happened uh during 911. um I attended  at that time and I had just gotten out of prison. um September of 2000. So I had been working  in a doggy daycare at the time and I made the. decision to go back to school. So I attended a  an information session at the Seattle Central. Community College and it was during that time  that there were two different industries that were.

projected to significantly increase within the  next 20 to 25 years. One was the biotech industry. there was a certificate program that was being um  pushed in that industry but it was also the social. service and um drug counselor or drug treatment  industry. So it was projected that within the next. 20 to 25 years that those two industry industries  were going to explode significantly and that was. something that I never forgot. I kind of put that  um little piece of information in my pocket. And.

then when I went to work in social services, which  I felt spiritually compelled to do as a recovering. addict who didn't really have a lot of experience  navigating anything except for that environment, um I've watched the decline happen exponentially  and that little memory was sort of brought to. the forefront of my mind and and it makes  me really believe that this is by design. So, how did you get better? How long were you  addicted? And how how did you get sober? Yeah.

Well, I was um on drugs uh the majority of a  30-year period. I started using around the age. of seven. I was arrested for my I don't know how  many times. I was facing a fourth prison sentence. at the age of 40. And it was at that point that  I knew that I couldn't keep destroying my life. I knew that the system was only going to  provide one dimension of what I needed, which was the separation. Um, and then I utilized,  you know, my will and whatever it is that.

came into the institution treatment or 12step  treatment opportunities and church to actually. piece together some sort of process for me to stop  screwing myself over. If it weren't for arrest and. incarceration, Tucker, I wouldn't be doing the  work that I'm doing today. Do you think you'd. be alive if you'd never been arrested? Uh, no.  I'm I'm pretty sure I'd probably be dead at this. point, especially with what's been happening over  the last five years. Um, and mind you, we've had.

this progression uh with drugs and the uh sort of  decrease in law enforcement engagement and court. uh system um separation from the real problem.  Um, but specifically over the last 5 years during. COVID and the George Floyd area, I've seen an  exponential uh spiraling of the drain with the. um with the people that make up this portion of  the population. What What do you mean spiraling?

Are the Are the drugs more powerful? Are  there different drugs? Are they Yeah, different drugs. Heroin is no longer Yeah, heroin  is no longer a thing. Fentinyl now dominates the. industry. I think the majority of our drugs are  coming up through Mexico. We used to produce. drugs right here in this country. There were much  better drugs, I'll just tell you that, than what. we're getting today. Um, we've seen disease and  destruction and overdose and insanity like just. explode over the last five years specifically. I I  believe that the first time I um remember somebody.

dying of a fentanyl overdose was about 2017, but  where we really started to see the increase in the. overdose deaths was about 2020. I truly believe  that if incarceration and separation were not an. option for me, I was arrested in 2012 and we were  not pumping medicationass assisted treatment drugs.

into everybody's life at that time. the way that  we are now, I I truly believe that I would be dead. today because of the potent um nature of fentinol.  Um the complicitness with the industry and making. this problem so accessible that people essentially  cannot get themselves out of the maze because when. a person goes to a social service agency to get  help, they're looking for a way out. And what's. happening, and this is why I couldn't work in  the industry anymore, what's happening is is.

when they go to get that help, um, they are being  handed the poisons that continue to destroy their. life. And so it's like they're trying to navigate  through this maze and as soon as they get close. to the door to get out of the maze, the trapoor  is dropped and they're rewarded with rotten fish. essentially. They're given the very thing that's  destroying their life. And um you know our service. uh structures are helping them kill themselves.  It's really grotesque. But well I mean this is.

not a complex problem to solve, is it? Just stop  making it easy for drug addicts to be addicted. to drugs and you'll save a lot of lives. Yeah. I I  and I think it it's a little even more simple than. that. It's about accountability, right? So, we've  removed accountability from I think every aspect. of everything in this country. We're literally  And first, let me I also want to say thank you. for the things that you're covering. Um, thank you  for being concerned about the bodies that we're.

walking over in our own country before you're  being concerned about what's going on in other. countries because we're focusing our attention  so much on the lives of others while we are. um devaluing the lives in our own communities. We  are saying that the people that we're walking past. that are destroying their lives are less worthy  of our support than the people that are being. affected by foreign policy um in other places. And  so that's really in my opinion it's none of our.

business until we can get our own house in order.  If I was in my home and my family members were. ill and their lives were deteriorating and I was  being mandated to go out into my neighborhood to. help other families first, I would I would put uh  a big break on that. I would not leave my own home. to help the people in my neighborhood before I  helped my own family. And I feel like that's what. we're doing. And so, um, we're sp we're spending  millions and millions of dollars or excuse me,

billions and billions of dollars in other  countries. um while we're spending millions. and millions of dollars actually $1.7 trillion  dollars in dependency creating programs that do. not help people to overcome their circumstances  or their underlying causes in this country u and. ignoring the fact that these are our community  members. We can hold people accountable. That. includes the people that are on drugs. The people  that are on drugs, drugs are not free. They're.

committing crimes. They're victimizing people in  the community. It is our responsibility to love. them enough to remove them from their destructive  path and at the same time remove the people that. are complicit in pushing those drugs. Right? And  then what we do is we create a um an industry that. actually supports the overcoming of individuals  where we're addressing underlying causes and then. we're helping people to learn how to navigate  society successfully outside of the problem.

Is there any government agency that you're  aware of that does anything like that? Government agencies? I am not. No, I am not  aware of any. And I'm going to tell you that. um NOS's that accept government funding um push  the policies that feed this problem, which are the. two dominant policies are housing first and harm  reduction policies. And so, um, our housing first. policies, um, have been extremely destructive  in the country. They're spreading across the.

country like wildfire. It's kind of insane to me,  actually. So, you had named a a few cities. I will. tell you that when I started to see problems  in cities like Missoula, Montana, and places in. um, Colorado adopting on these policies and the  problems growing those places. I said, "This is. a problem." And so people are looking to some of  the western states like San Francisco, Portland, Oregon, and Seattle as examples of best practices.  Um I don't know how we can ignore the fact that we.

are walking over the destruction of human life and  we want to model that across the country and call. that some kind of success. But I don't know any  government um entities or institutions that are. practicing things that are pro-human. Can you  Well, that's it's obvious by the results, but. the details I think are unknown to most people.  Can you explain what the housing first policy is.

and why it's bad? Yeah. Housing first means that  people just need to be housed and that the the. intention or the thought behind it is that then  um they will find recovery which is absolutely. um untrue. So why is it bad? Because what happens  is we're just sweeping the problem on the streets. behind closed doors. And what I've noticed is um  because I worked in the industry for a period of. time in the homeless sector, the shelter sector  and housing first is that capacity equals funding.

So, if these spaces, if these beds are not filled,  if we're not handing out this many burritos, if we're not giving these many this many showers,  then we are not going to be funded through. government funding. Um there are people that are  staffing a lot of these buildings, these housing. first buildings, um who have absolutely no idea  what it's like to be in that kind of environment, let alone supervise 90 to 150 bodies of people who  are victimizers, who are drug addicts, some who.

are elderly. They're they're mixing all of these  different people with these um pretty extreme. levels of vulnerability inside of these buildings.  And what we have is we have the catastrophic. experiences that we're looking at on our streets  all behind closed doors and trapped. Um, and. we're seeing more people actually die of overdose  deaths. There's more um we I mean we have cartel.

engagement in some of these buildings. We have  violent experiences that are going on, murders, rapes, thefts, all kinds of things going on inside  of these buildings. And we have our government. officials that are claiming that these places  are um a benefit, that they are blessing people's. lives, that they are some sort of solution to  the problem. And we're spending a ton of money. to exacerbate the problem, and we're snowing the  voter. We're snowing the taxpayer and telling.

them that these things are actually working. I  assume the landlord is doing pretty well on this. deal. like section eight, the landlord are the  NOS's. Yeah, the NOS's. Yeah, the NGOs's. I mean, that's sort of like a crony capitalism sort  of piece, right? There are the the builders, the developers that have the relationships with  the politicians who are then going in and building. these massive structures. And then we have the  NOS's that are fundraising to get the money to buy.

these buildings and then managing these buildings  who are also pushing the harm reduction um you. know processes inside of these buildings where  inside of these buildings they're handing out. the drug supplies. They're doing everything they  can to keep the people suspended in the problem. that they're trying to be removed from. Are they  allowed to use drugs in in the facilities? 100%. I. mean, wouldn't it I mean, why why would taxpayers  pay for the housing of people who are continuing.

to use drugs? I don't I mean, especially when  there are a lot of kids living at home because. they can't afford housing. I don't I don't get  that. Yeah. Well, we have to understand that these. um these buildings, first of all, house people at  30% of their income. So, they're low income. So, they're federally and locally funded buildings.  And if you don't have any money, 0% or 0, 30% of zero dollars is $0. there are significant  amount of residents inside of these buildings who. just refuse to pay their rent and then there's no  eviction that takes place. I mean, and Seattle is.

a a really um great place to look at if you want  to see the failed experiment of housing first. Um, so you know, and arguably the kids that there's  a building in uh Bellingham, Washington called 22. North that houses people from 18 on, 18 years  old and up uh where some of these kids have. left home and started using drugs in some of the  encampments that are really um dominant in this.

area in Western Washington. Um, and then they go  into these youth service agencies and then they. get placed in these housing um, developments and  have to pay no rent. And then these these children. are often victimized inside of these buildings  and then they get turned out to, you know, trafficked, what we consider trafficked inside  of these buildings. And then there's like this. fortress that's around them. Um, disabling the  family unit to have any kind of contact to be.

able to advocate for. And by this time, these  kids are so strung out on the drugs. I mean, it's really, really destructive. And then our  government is paying for this and they're asking. for money on a regular basis to pay for this. And  then they're handing out the drugs and they're. doing all of these things. And so, I've been doing  some research on a lot of this stuff. So we have. to understand that you know over the last five  years I've been doing a little bit of research. not enough to have a complete story to write yet  but the pharmaceutical companies that are pushing.

a lot of these medication assisted treatment drugs  like they have a business model and the business. model of course is to increase funding. We have  politicians who are incentivized to, you know, push that kind of legislation as well as the  legislation that supports a lot of these NOS. and a lot of these housing um structures  that are popping up everywhere. And so, and then you have like in Seattle specifically,  it Seattle pushes a lot of the legislation for.

Washington state around harm reduction and housing  first. And so they um a lot of these NOS's are. working in concert with academics that are doing  research. Specifically, we have Caleb Bantig Green. here in Washington State who's been quote unquote  researching um medication assisted treatment or. harm reduction practices for a period of time. I  mean, there's a lot of money being made, you know, through this process, through these industries.  It's gross to me. I don't understand why we.

can't be more intentional and focus on overcoming  teaching people the skills necessary to navigate. society. I mean, that's what I do in prison and  it works and it's cost effective. We could evolve. as a country as opposed to decline and destroy our  our human capital. But no one seems interested in. sobriety. I mean, the official government policy  doesn't demand sobriety. Sobriety's got to be the.

goal. Like, I'm not on anything. I I think clearly  I'm like a human being again. Is anyone even. trying for that? No. I was um recently at a press  release in September in Seattle. Bruce Herold, the mayor there, um had a press release. He  was really excited to talk about $40 million. of funding that was going to be spent. Uh what  we're experiencing here in Washington state. and across the country in different areas is a  rebranding. right after the executive order came.

out from Donald Trump on homelessness and and all  of the things that we're talking about right now, um some of the officials that I was just talking  about in Seattle essentially expressed via media. that um you know, well, we're already doing these  things, right? So, we're just seeing a rebranding. of these harm reduction housing first spaces.  And so there was this conversation where Harold. was talking about how how many millions of dollars  were going to this organization, how many millions.

of dollars were going to that organization. And  after they were done, I raised my hand and I said, "How much of this money is going to be diverted  to abstinence-based treatment and environments. for people to come to when they want to get their  life together?" Because I worked in Seattle in the. midst of all of this for a period of time and  person after person wanted out. First of all, it was such a glacial process with so much red  tape for me to actually be able to get somebody. into treatment. And this was back in, you know,  2015, 2016, 2017. Um, but I asked him, I said,

"How much of this money is going to be diverted?"  And there was a lot of word soup. It was passed. from one city leader to another. And eventually  the answer came back and it was zero dollars. The. thing is is that Z Yeah, it was zero dollars. Um,  and first they wanted to know, are you with the. press? Who are you? Who are you with? I said, no,  I'm not with the press. I'm with myself. I said, I'm a former social service worker. Then I  didn't really talk about the work that I do with.

the state of Tennessee. And I didn't really talk  about the work that I'm doing inside of our prison. system. I just represented myself like I always do  when I stand up in any of these kind of meetings. I represent the person just like me whose life is  being destroyed because they can't find a way out. So, you know, we have the executive  order and here in Washington state, our leaders are saying,"Well, we're already  doing this because these methods are a path, too." And I can tell you out of the hundreds  of people that I served in that industry,

I only know two that got clean and sober. And  it's almost impossible for Yes. And I'm like. not kidding when I talk about that. It's almost  impossible for a person to remove themselves. And. I mean, it was for me. I knew that my life was  deteriorating, but because I was in an intimate. relationship with drugs, Tucker, it was almost  impossible for me to remove myself. Thank God. for the police. Thank God for the police. We have  hobbled our law enforcement across the country.

We have shamed our criminal justice system into  participating in the illusion that these methods, that these policies are somehow a benefit to  the people on the streets. Um, but there are. a lot of people making money off of people being  sick and that's what we have to recognize. And so, you know, at the end of the day, this is the  thing. I'm not going to be able to dismantle.

the machine. The machine is big. It is bigger than  us. And so we have to stop selling out for dollars. because I absolutely refuse to. I will not adopt  on the practices of any of these harmful policies, these harmful practices. I will not do it  because I know what people are capable of. And so I try my hardest to utilize the space where  people are removed, where they're clear of mind, and then implement processes to help them address  their underlying causes and connect with the.

resources necessary once they have cleaned out  the inside and refragmented themselves with common. sense. And then and only then are the resources  that are provided going to be sustainable. And so I've been busy building this in this I  I believe it will become an industry. Um I've. been busy building this playfield over here to  the right because spending my energy to try to.

dismantle is a pointless endeavor. What I'm doing  is I'm collecting data. I'm changing lives. And. then when we have some success, will we be able  to say no and this is how it's done? And these. are the human lives that are connected with the  data, not this ambiguous stuff that sounds really. good to the person that's totally confused when  they look at the where's Waldo poster that says. where am I supposed to start? Right? And I think  that that's our that's the common sort of response.

from a voter or a taxpayer or just your average  community member when they are definitely walking. over bodies where they have a family member that's  affected because I have been contacted by people. all over the world when they saw my pictures and  their question is always what can I do? Because. you got to imagine if you've never been strung  out on drugs, how in the hell are you going to. know where to start? Well, you don't. And so  in order to do that, we have to have the right. people in the right places. And I truly believe  that the only way for us to redevelop a system is.

to influence the lives of those who make up that  system. We cannot have a top-down solution because. honestly, if you haven't been to hell, you don't  know how to navigate your way out of it. Well, so we can't expect and I try to not talk about or  think about how ineffective the majority of our. political leaders I have a hard time calling them  leaders, but I have a really hard time, you know,

removing myself from being pissed off all the  time because I have I have a hard time looking. at the destruction of human life, like really. And  so, but my anger has to be fueled appropriately, right? So, I've got to be able to help the people  that make up the system change their lives. Then, when we show the numbers and the cost  effectiveness, then maybe we can do a. shift. I have a hard time removing myself from  being pissed off. Yeah, I like I like the way. you put that, Jenny Burton. I uh I struggle with  the same phenomenon. Thank you for that. That was.

totally compelling. You got the authority to say  it and um and just bless you. I'm Your thriving. really makes me happy seeing it. So, great to  see you. Yeah, it's great to see you as well. And you know what makes the most um sense to me is  not my thriving, but being able to contribute to. the thriving of the people who would be released  from institutions. Y and end up our next homeless. population. We have disincentivized arrest and  accountability. And that is the one thing that.

enables us to actually be able to change a  nation because we have to understand that all. of these people are somebody's sons, daughters,  mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, and they're. our neighbors. So, we can either have them living  next to us in a tent and dying in our front yard, or we can do something to actually influence them  to be able to navigate society successfully. So, thank you for having me, Tucker. I really  appreciate your attention to this. Oh, well,

I think there's few things more important. Jenny  Burton, thank you very much. Good to see you. America needs to get sober. Everybody's on  something. It's depressing as hell. And so, as long as we're spending billions  of dollars to overthrow dictators, maybe we should pay attention to the actual  drug problems uh in this country. Hopefully, we will. Thanks for joining us.  We'll be back live next week.

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