Advice to Men: Reject Sex, Parties, and Fame. Embrace God Instead.

about 20 years ago a recent law school. graduate called Tucker Mack started. posting his. experiences the details of his dating. life on the internet he became a. sensation he wrote a bunch of. best-selling books sold millions of. copies the most famous of which was. called I hope they serve beer in hell. not Everyone likes Tucker Max a lot of. people hated Tucker Max but nobody could. deny that he was smart he was a. beautiful Pros stylist not something you. normally find in people writing about. hooking up with ladies and getting.

loaded but he was and then he retired. around 2012 he stopped writing about. that stuff and receded from public View. and then a few years ago he reemerged as. a very different person as someone whose. entire life was devoted to his own. family at a level most people can't. relate to he became a. homesteader what an interesting. progression we thought it' be worth. spending some time hearing how that. happened and what it's like to truly. prepare for the bad time on behalf of.

your family Tucker Max joins us in. studio now Tucker Max thank you so much. thanks for having me great to meet you. yes you too so I just have to add mostly. I want to hear about what you're doing. now but I just have to ask like how did. you wind up you went to University of. Chicago undergrad MH famously the least. fun school in America it's earned its. reputation it's earned its reputation. and then you went to Duke Law School. which is a douche Factory obviously no. it is I can't argue but then you wrote. These accounts of your life which. sounded like you were in a fraternity at. Alabama yeah like how did this happen um.

well it's the benefit of going to the. least fun undergrad uh is I didn't have. any of my experiences in college when I. was too young to appreciate how fun they. were and I kind of started having them. in law school when you know CU I got to. law school I graduated three years from. Chicago and the cool part about Chicago. is I got to law school and I basically. already learned you know the hard parts. of law school so I was like well this is. easy I don't need to go to class like I. know all of this I know how to think all.

the stuff law school is supposed to. teach you already learned and then I had. all my friends were dudes who went to. State schools they were the smart kids. at State schools like Kansas or pit or. UVA and so it was like and they knew how. to party and I'm like oh I didn't have. anyone like you guys with me in. undergrad let's go do this more and then. of course we were by UNCC which was all. girls it's not literally an all girl. school but it might as well be no it is. like 65% girl dudes that you and well. the dudes are just like the fop the the. iconic stereotype of the fish Southern.

frat boy types yeah and so for me it was. like hunting at a petting zoo it was so. easy and we'd go over there and be. beautiful girls and these douchebag. idiot guys and it was like oh this is. great and so we had a great time and. then um we all left law school went to. different cities and I went to Florida. and I hated it like this is to work in a. firm no I I got fired from uh a big law. firm called fck and West in Silicon. Valley I got fired about 3 weeks into.

being a summer associate actually not. even a full-time employee and so I was. essentially blacklisted. oh it's impossible to get fired and I. did it I did it in three weeks basically. I was an unguided missile man I was. drunk at all the firm events I did all. that stuff that actually wasn't the. problem the the the thing I did that. that caused them to fire me and honestly. I'm not even mad at them they did what I. would have done if I would have been a. partner there one of the senior female. part Partners propositioned me you know.

like uh wanted to hook up with me she. was married not that that meant anything. to me at the time um or to female. lawyers by well not to her I don't know. I'm not going to say all generalize let. me do I I'll I'll handle the. generalization here to her it didn't. obviously mean anything and for some. reason I turned her down and then told. everyone about it which is like the. worst if I had slept with her i' have. been bulletproof and if I just shut up. no one would have cared but um I kind of.

did the worst of all worlds and so uh. you know they I was I was a liability I. you can't have someone acting like that. law firm would turn down a partner's. advance and then tell others about it I. mean that's I mean the bar association. can get involved at that point that is a. violation of ethics and of intelligence. like what's wrong with you why are you. so dumb there's a way to play this game. and you're doing it totally wrong and I. was and so um I then I okay so even that. wouldn't have blacklisted me from the. legal profession but I wrote 2 days.

before she propositioned me or before. they fired me uh I had gotten drunk at a. firm event and caused kind of a scene. although it was kind of funny and so I. wrote an email about it that was pretty. funny and I sent it to my friends what. was the scene uh we had like a charity. auction and um I got up and I took the. mic from like the auctioneer and I was. yelling at this girl cuz she was bidding. against me and the price was high I'm. like stop bidding I can't afford this. and I need this to stay at the firm and. like it was like kind of like a funny.

like uh it was like you know like the. funny drunken person at a corporate. event like I really didn't go too far. but I went right up to that line as a. summer associate the line is lower for. you exactly like they they even the. managing partner thought it was. hilarious and so uh and I wrote an email. about that not about the female partner. sent that to my friends at like on a. Tuesday and then like on Wednesday I was. fired they didn't wait till Friday on a. Wednesday right and so of course my. friends are [ __ ] and so they sent.

that to all their friends and then it. like went out from there and so that. like everyone in the legal profession. got that email that summer like I was. the you know the you know there's always. legends about I I was one of the legends. that ended up turning it into and was. your plan at that point to spend your. life in big law yeah it was uh it really. was I hate to say it the God's honest. truth is I was the worst kind of like. okay so I was deciding out of undergrad. whether to go to I banking management.

consulting or law like and I was that. type of dude I had that mind soul death. no I I I was seeking status without. Merit which is what everyone in those. professions is doing right and that's. just the that and and I you could not. have convinc me that it was not a viable. or valuable path for my soul to go make. a bunch of money for [ __ ] which is. what you do in those professions and um. and I bought it I bought the whole thing. hookline and sinker and um so I was.

going after that but I think there was. obviously a part of me like the whatever. you want to call it the drunk at the. work event part who clearly did not want. that there was a part of me you know. like like some people you know like. you'll be Mass murderers who want to get. caught of course well I was I wanted to. get KCK I didn't have the the the truth. I love to make myself out to be a hero. but the true story is I didn't have the. courage to realize that it was a. horrible soulless path that I didn't. want to go to so I acted out until they.

fired me and kicked me out of the. profession so when that email went. throughout the tiny and very. inward-looking legal. world what kind of response did you. get um they almost didn't let me back. come back from my senior year or my. third year of Duke no yeah like the the. the it got back to Duke oh of it got. everyone like I If I had wanted to stay. in the legal profession I would have had. to be like a public defender like there. was no six no no one was going to not.

that low a divorce attorney maybe Jack I. might have been able to be a jack. officer that would have been it man wind. up like David French hilarious um sorry. that's so I love legal jokes um so Duke. was mad so at this point you realize. like I the the only reason she let me. come back and finish my third year I'm. not really sure speak she. generally the um the the lady Duke.

the head of the yeah of I forget what. her her exact title was but the the only. reason she let me back was because I. promised not to walk at. graduation like I was going to graduate. and so it was like she like basically if. I wasn't there at which I didn't care. about going to anyway because I knew I. was going to get a job in a legal. profession I just wanted to finish what. for two reasons one is because I didn't. want to quit and not have my degree. right which probably honestly would have. been the best thing for me but I was one.

of those where I like no I want to. actually have the I don't want to say I. went to Duke Law School I want I have. the JD which I do but then also um I had. such it was like my party years like. everyone else's party years are in. undergrad mine were in lawol had you. been in a fraternity in college by no no. it's pretty funny yeah I know since you. invented this genre of fraternity. literature the new y times that I. invented fryre and I wasn't in a fra and. I didn't write satire that it's Memoir I. wrote but that's the New York Times. right like they're going to they know.

about genres anyway they're going to get. literally everything wrong of course. they are so what did you decide to do. with your life at this point I mean. you're you're kind of out of options. right yeah it was um it was not a good. situation for me because what where I. was was I I had enough courage to get. drunk and ruin a future I didn't want. but not enough courage to recognize that. that's what I was doing so I was in like. this tough situation my dad owned uh. some restaurants in Florida and so um. kind of the like I was still kind of.

looking for the easy path right like law. uh uh law you know and and I Banking and. management consulting even though you're. working hundred something hour weeks. they really are the easy path they are. the soulless easy coward path yes um and. so the next coward path for me was the. family business and um uh I kind of I. never really wanted to go into. restaurants or the family business but. now I'm like well uh this is you know I.

the two things I've trained for I I I. wasn't good at so I'm not allowed to. anymore so I I kind of went that path. and then um I got fired from the family. business in like six months it took me. six months instead of three weeks this. time how' you get fired from the family. business oh that's a long story. basically um I was good at this now I. was good because it's restaurant. business right and I'm smart and. outgoing and and and if you're smart not. going the restaurant business is. designed for people who are who don't. fit anywhere else but are kind of smart. and capable and so I I was good at it.

the problem was um I assumed that my dad. wanted to run a good business I didn't. realize the business existed for my. dad's ego and so I got in and realized. oh there's all kinds of people here who. suck who are stealing from him who uh we. there's all these things we could be. doing better I mean really basic stuff. like why are we ordering from this. company they're charging twice as much. as this company oh it turns out that. company's giving my d Kickbacks and then.

these people who are incompetent. stealing from him you know uh feed my. dad's ego in a way that he values way. more than what they're ceiling and so I. essenti but like a fool just like I I. you know didn't sleep with a partner and. told everyone I went in recognize these. people were clowns and was like oh well. this is my dad and my name's on the door. so clearly the fact that I'm right is. more than enough I like I told them that. they sucked and that I was going to get. them fired and you know they were smart. enough and knew my dad well enough they.

rallied kind of the troops and got. enough evidence against me that that uh. my dad picked them over me and I got. fired amazing so now you're a graduate. of two of the most prestigious schools. in the country but you're unemployed. you've washed out of and unemployable so. what do you do man I I was not in a good. spot um it was it was a hard time for me. uh and I was basically like you know. bartending you know work like the kind. of kind of jobs that losers in their 20s.

get that was me like I was a loser in my. 20s early 20s and then I was at the same. time I was writing emails on my friends. from law school about all you know. living in South Florida which uh is a. soulless horrible place because I don't. do drugs and I'm not old so there was no. social Niche for me in South Florida. right because if you do Coke and you go. to clubs right South Florida's great and. if you're like 70 and you know play golf. in the bokeh country club then it's. great but there's nothing else and so I. hated my life but you know I get drunk.

and hook up with girls anyway and get in. these horrible situations and write. emails about it and send to my friends. and one of my friends uh a guy a great. you actually might even do you know Sean. trendy at Real Clear Politics yeah okay. so Shawn went to law school with me and. is a good friend of mine he's a great. dude and he actually called me up and he. was getting the emails and he's like. dude listen you're not good at law. you're not good at business clearly but. these emails are the funniest things. I've ever read you need to go be a. writer and I was like what the like what.

kind of [ __ ] [ __ ] is this what are you. talking about Sean this is the stupidest. thing I've ever heard and he's like well. dude look at look at the evidence right. and so um what a wise piece of advice. that that it was Sean that gave it to me. I'm I'm a writer because of Shan trendy. truly amazing yes it is 100% true and so. or I took that path because of Shawn I. was already writing I just wasn't. envisioning that as a profession from or. doing that and so so um I uh I ended up.

putting my stuff on the first actually. no I took like the five emails that my. friends saw were the funniest I sent. them to every publisher and every book. agent in New York because at the time. publishing was still all in New York and. there was actually literally this was. 200 20 2001 2002 there's a physical book. of um like all the agents addresses and. all like their query stuff cuz you're. old enough to remember this yeah very. well I probably sent out a thousand. query letters maybe five between 500,000.

I got zero positive literally zero. positive response you know like 90%. nothing right and then probably got like. 50 form letter rejections and I even got. like I still have a couple of them uh. like some a couple personalized. rejections where like the editor was. like this is the worst thing I've ever. read you should never write even an. email again like you have no place in. publishing but at the same time I was. sending my emails like all the emails. I'd forwarded to my friends would get. like they would those like not just the.

ones that got me fired but the funny. ones after and I was getting my emails. forwarded back to me remember early in. Internet email chains yeah okay so I was. getting my own emails forwarded back to. me from people in other Social Circles. who didn't know I had written them being. like dude you should read this this is. so funny and I'm like all right so. clearly I'm good at this like Sean was. right these are funny to people who. aren't friends I'm like all right I mean. it is arrogant to think this but all. these people in publishing are wrong now. now i' now I know publishing I'm like of. course they're all wrong they're all.

idiots like pretty much everyone in. publishing is there cuz they're a fail a. failed writer it's not literally. everyone but almost I didn't know that. at the time but I was like all right. well I'm not they're not going to. publish me but then the internet was a. thing at the time this is 2002 and so I. had to learn to program HTML I put up a. site on Geo cities if you remember geoc. cities and it like a I got featured on. like college humor and a few other like. those humor blogs that were really. really early and blew up and MTV came.

and did a documentary about people who. were dating on the because back when. like dating on the internet was weird. and creepy and all and so um they did a. documentary about me and that blew up. and then all the publishing companies. came back and they were like we want to. do your write your books and then that. became I hope they serve beer in Hell. how many books did you write how many. did you sell I wrote four frat Tire. books uh one I kind of I gave away for. free so it didn't but three like were. published all three were you know New.

York Times bestsellers I think I've sold. about four and a halfish million of. those books yeah that's incredible it. was a I mean because especially because. my audience were essentially people who. don't read I can't tell you how many. dudes in my life it's been tens of. thousands have told me I've never. finished a book read a book or bought a. book other than. yours I believe that like tens of. thousands so when why' you why' you stop. and when did you stop cuz my my book. were my stories about doing all the dumb.

stuff guys and a lot of women also do in. their 20s drinking hooking up partying. all that stuff and then by the time you. know I wrote I started writing at uh 27. by the time I got to about 33 34 I was. like pretty tired of it you know like. drinking and partying and you know going. out five nights a week is super fun when. you're at a certain stage in life and I. was way past that stage of life and it. was becoming tedious and tiresome and.

the the cost of that lifestyle was. really not just the physical cost but. the emotional cost was catching up to me. and um honestly man like like everyone. who goes to some people go through that. phase for a week and some do it for a. decade I was more towards the decade. side of it but it was um I was feeling. stuck man like you can't move on at life. if you have to be this person that is. doing a thing at a certain pH right and. that's oh dude it was so depressing. because all my fans would come to me and.

you know I do public events all the time. speeches. whatever and they were all really upset. if I wasn't the Tucker Max they. envisioned in their head and at the time. I would get really mad at them like [ __ ]. you I'm a whole person I but that was my. own immaturity like they liked me. because of my stories and because of a. certain uh uh attitude I had in a. certain way I was in a certain part of. my life and some of them realized oh. that's just part of his life has to sing.

Satisfaction at every show right yeah. and I wasn't going to sing Satisfaction. the rest of my life like I eventually as. I got I I I matured a little I'm like. look what am I doing getting mad at them. like they even the dumb immature ones. like the smart mature ones got it they. read the books thought they were funny. didn't expect me to be but that was 20%. right most people like they would come. up and you know they have this. multi-year relationship with me that has. nothing to do with me right it's totally. unilateral and it's all about a. projection in their mind of who I am.

based only on the books and that was um. it got really tiring after a while and. then instead of trying to fight it and. getting mad at them I'm like all right. well I just need to move on with my life. and so I wrote um the last in the series. was [ __ ] finished first and I put it. like a retirement at the end where I'm. like I'm not going to write this stuff. talk about it anymore um like I've I've. done with this part of my life and then. that kind of did Set Me Free although. most people who know me know me from.

that stuff and so even now bro for years. afterwards like I would be at Whole. Foods and a kid like a younger kid or. something would come up to me and be. like oh your Tucker Max and I like why. aren't you you know drunk screaming. curses at people laying under a table. and I'm like it's 11:00 a.m. on a. Thursday like what what is wrong with. you dude even but even now to this to. this day a lot of people their. impression of me. uh even after they meet me is still how.

did you find a. wife I mean so you've like laid bare. your personal life yeah and you sold. four and a half million copies of books. about hooking up with various women. right I told the truth about things most. people don't ever tell the truth about. for sure yes so like what did that teach. you about what you wanted in a. wife um well it definitely showed me. very much what I don't want. yeah uh because a lot of the I mean I I.

I I was with a lot of women in that. period I was single I was into women uh. I wrote about it and then women who were. at that stage you know the same stage as. me came to me and so there were a lot um. and I. realized uh man there's so much the big. thing man was I realized I needed a. woman who was very smart who was very. sweet and empathic but most importantly. I need a woman who really had her own.

thing in life who really thought for. herself who really was her own person. right because I three or four years. before I started I I I retired I would. have been really happy with the hottest. girl there was who was pretty sweet and. and. basically a trophy wife yeah right I. would have been totally cool with that. um and then by the time I got to be. about 32 33 34 I realized oh thank thank. God I didn't get married I would have.

been so miserable with that I would have. hated that I would have been divorced. within 5 six years I realized I needed a. partner and then I started to understand. what a partner actually would look like. for me um at that point that's the crazy. thing. man I I think I had to go through. whatever hundreds or thousands of women. to realize how lonely I was and how. lonely that life is after a while yeah. you know it's the metaphor I always use. is imagine that like cuz dudes don't get. this man they don't understand women do.

a most women understand what I mean when. I talk about this because most. guys have to go their whole life it. doesn't matter how good-look you are how. smart or how rich you are you have to. work for women you have to have game you. have to talk to them you have to be good. in some way at least connecting with. with a a woman but once you get famous. all that's out the window like you don't. have to really do anything but other. than be famous and there's a million. examples of this of dudes who have no. business being with any women who are.

famous who get all kinds of uh of women. and you can't understand what that's. like as a dude because you've spent your. whole life like imagine living on a like. a desert island and you're scraping out. an existence and you have food but never. enough and then all of a sudden you get. picked up off of that desert island and. you get moved into a Chinese buffet and. you live at the Chinese buffet and. you're like and you're going to Gorge. yourself for a while or the best Vegas. buffet you can ever imagine Golden. Corral forever right you're going to. Gorge yourself for a while in fact.

you're going to Gorge yourself into your. throw up a few times and then you're. going to keep gorging yourself and that. was what my life was like I like cuz. women are always a scarcity for you as a. dude it doesn't matter how rich or you. are or how good-looking you are how. smart you are there's still a scarcity. until you become famous and then there. then they're in abundance but for women. penis is an abundance from the time that. they probably pre puberty for a lot of. them right like there's always dudes. around you know like and so women can. kind of understand that it was I didn't.

understand that at all and then I I kind. of had to. Revel in that abundance for a while and. and wallow in it until it became like. all abundance becomes sickening and you. have to kind of like all abundance. that's right right and you've got to. really okay I don't want everything. there are here's the things I here's. what's healthy here's what I want let me. figure out what that is so in a lot of. ways the best it's funny people like. like like will say like you're was. really good like seems like a 180°.

turnaround in my from where I sit having. lived it I couldn't have gotten to be a. dedicated father and husband and. Homesteader if I hadn't gone through. that phase of. unbridled uh abundance and Hedonism I. needed that it's just interesting that. you had all the women you wanted but you. just wanted one in the end eventually. yes don't get me wrong if my wife was. cool with two or three I might be all. right with that too like but but no no. it was um lots and lots of different.

women was not an effective way to fill. the hole of loneliness yes that's right. for a while I thought it worked but it. doesn't work long time no it doesn't. work I mean abundance doesn't work you. could not have convinced me of that with. any words when I was 29 right I would. there's no it's an age thing no it's. totally right i' I've arrived the same. conclusion um but how did you get okay. so now you are not just a husband and a. father but that's basically your job.

yeah I sold my company and it's all I do. now. but what motivated your desire to make. that your. life like and what is homesteading and. why do you do it so it I it I didn't. come up with this goal ahead of time and. then do it I I discovered this path as I. walked it right so so after I retired. from writing uh you know the stories of. drinking and hooking up I retired from. fratre um what ended up happening is I. was still a really well-known author and. a lot of people came to me to help them.

write their books so I started a company. called scribe that um we you know David. goggin I'm sure we did his books and. Tiffany hadish and some other people. like that and we we did about from the. time I started until when I left which. was a 202 uh2 we did like 2,000 books. and so we were kind of the Premier like. independent ghost writing publishing. firm right and uh uh uh we built a you. know great company 500 employes emplo es. me and my co-founder Zach um uh uh built.

a great company and um it was rewarding. and I kind of went through the the. entrepreneural phase of life before I. thought I was entrepreneural but I was. an artist and the being an artist and. running a business with employees are. totally different thing oh I found out. totally different things and I did not. understand I only do one of those things. not the other yeah so so it it was there. was a lot rewarding with it and and it. started the business I met my wife first. then started the business and and. um as the business grew and developed.

and I saw a very clear path to a lot of. money big valuations expansion all this. stuff but at the same time you know my. relationship with my wife and my kids. and as my kids got older um even though. my kids are still pretty young I was. like and then I was in a lot of uh. social groups and masterminds with. pretty Advanced and successful. entrepreneurs who had way bigger. companies than me and who were older and. had older kids and I saw kind of how. miserable they were in a lot of ways and.

and like how much time they spent on. their business how little they spent. with their families and then I would. like meet their kids and be like hm. something's off there not all of them. some of them had great balance and some. didn't and I just kind of realized man. that as much as I did I like business. and I like. entrepreneurship I um I didn't love it. and I definitely didn't love it more. than my wife for my kids and I realized. like. what I don't know when I came to this. realization I. but I came to the realization that um.

the only thing that matters in my life. is the relationships with the people I. love and the things I do that matter to. that and yeah I mean like having a. company to make money is that that's. important but above a certain level like. what am I doing I'm just stealing from. my children I'm stealing my father from. their children um or I've seing my. children's father from them which is me. and um I decided I just wasn't going to. do that like that that. 200 million or billion dollars is not.

worth that 20 million isn't even worth. it's not worth it but most people have. this realization decide okay we're going. to we're going to spend a year in sale. to New Zealand right but you decided to. buy a homestead in Texas yes and grow. your own food raise your own food yeah. why well um there were a couple reasons. so uh you were around 2020 20121 yes so. I don't have to describe all that but um. well how did it affect you I mean you. weren't working in politics right yeah. no no no no I I wrote a piece on this on.

my on my blog about how I kind of I. thought I was awake to how the world. worked cuz you know I'd work in the. entertainment business you have too you. understand media entertainment and if. you work in that business you see behind. the curtain and how messed up everything. is and and I saw I mean I saw how evil. Hollywood was long before the me too. stuff and I knew like everyone in. Hollywood knew wiin wiin was a rapist. and like I knew I thought I understood. but then 2020 happened and the lockdowns. happened and all this and I was like oh. it's way worse than I even thought like.

I I saw a little bit behind the curtain. but that was a public health emergency. of course it was right of course and and. did you think that for a moment did you. think any of this was just like what did. yeah so uh you grew up in this country. like tell us what you thought uh. so when I was. watching the videos of people dying in. the street in China like early March of. 2020 there was a window of about for. being honest about six weeks I was. probably fooled three to six weeks me.

too right this scary this might be legit. this might be an actual epidemic. pandemic this might be like whatever and. so the uh I was uh you can actually look. on my Twitter timeline there's a uh when. uh South by was canceled in 2020 I was. for that I was like oh yeah that was. like March 15th of 2020 I was totally. for that but then by mid April I'm like. M hold on like nothing about this seems. right and by May I'm like oh well this. is a fraud like this is clearly a fraud.

and then the riot started and it was. like I mean the iconic photo of the you. know the the the the CNN with the Chiron. you know mostly peaceful protest and. fire in the background it's like come on. like I'm. not uh but if you're I mean if you if. you're riding for racial Justice you're. not going to spread a deadly virus right. obviously of course and well the my. favorite were the people who was like. well racial Justice is deadlier than or. racial Injustice is deadlier than Co I'm. like your racism is scarier than a CH.

and that's when I was like okay okay so. this is this is utter total [ __ ] and. so then my my wife and I had always. talked about getting on land we'd always. wanted hold on let me ask you to pause. what did you conclude from that so it. was obviously this was fraudulent this. was a total fraud but like. why well see I mean I went to the you. know all the big schools like I knew I. kn woke wasn't a shock to me I saw that. coming for years and in fact I I mean I.

had a company that was 70% women and all. creative so you think we would have been. infected early no I saw it coming I kept. it out of scribe for as long as I was. there I I was able to keep it out it's. really it's actually if you want a a a. really easy trick to keep woke people. away from your organization there's a. very simple way to do it you just. emphasize make your primary value. responsibility and your second. accountability and those people will go.

elsewhere because they're incompetent. not necessarily uh some of them are. smart and capable it's that the the woke. mind virus is about put placing your. respons placing blame for your life on. other people so if everything is about. first about responsibility and. accountability those people will not. come to your organization and so I was. able to kind of shelter my world from. that no it works it works beautifully um. I was able to shelter my world from them. pretty well uh and so once I saw all.

this I just at the time we're talking. about summer 2020 I'm like okay the woke. mine virus is clearly infected media and. these people are fools I didn't realize. how corrup how truly catastrophically. corrupt government was until January 6th. of 2021 that was when that was because. you know my wife and I decided to buy. land the summer of 2020 and we bought. our house in Tennessee that I showed you. that we talked about right and so cuz at.

the time I like I didn't really. understand I didn't think America was at. the state it was yet and you know the. way I looked at preparation and. emergency stuff was a bugout place right. and so we bought a beautiful house in. the mountains. isolated because that that's where my. level of Consciousness and understanding. was then January 21st happened and in. real time January 6th sorry January 6th. January 6th of 2021 and I in real time I. I you just watched the feeds and I saw I.

mean cuz it wasn't hidden the capital. police were letting people in and most. of these people were just drunken. buffoons and it was like obvious that. this was nonsense that this was in no. way shape or form anything approaching. in Insurrection and then you would turn. on cable news and in real time you'd see. them form this narrative that's not just. wrong but literally totally contrary to. what's going on and I can see. I don't know why that moment but at that.

moment I realized that the Republic had. fallen I don't think it fell at that. moment it had fallen probably decades. maybe a century before but I did not. truly internalize it until that moment. when you watch them tell you what you. were seeing wasn't real and it was. something totally else like not media is. always wrong but it just because they're. wrong doesn't mean the opposite is true. right so so you have to kind of look in. the direction that they're wrong and in.

this case the narrative that they were. pushing was very clearly The Narrative. you push if you want to if you want to. create a fascist communist whatever some. form of totalitarian a police state and. and I don't all the evidence was there. you know. like it's pretty common for you'll deny. reality until all of a sudden the last. piece of evidence Clicks in and and then. all all the other facts like oh [ __ ] I. should I could have seen this a long.

time ago and I waited it was like that. for me uh I mean you can make a good. argument that the the Republic fell um. in America you can make an argument it. fell during the Whiskey Rebellion yeah. right you can make an argument several. times in 18th century definitely during. the Civil War lots of times in the 20th. century yeah like when they murdered the. president yeah lots of times uh JFK um. uh I don't don't know when the American. Republic fell but it became very clear.

undeniably clear to me on January 6 2021. that we were not just an Empire but we. were the late stages of Empire like i'. I'd essentially missed theer. understanding the American Empire was an. Empire and it I was like oh man and then. once once I got that then I'm like oh. now everything makes sense this is. empire collapse and I understand empire. collapse pretty well like I I for I'm. very like all dudes very interested. Roman history and Mongolian history and.

if you study the the both the transition. from Republic to Empire in Rome and the. transition from genghiskhan to his sons. because they were never a republic but. under genghiskhan it was the Mongolian. Empire was what we would consider a free. place in a lot of ways for these. Mongolians and the transition from that. to his sons and and grandsons um less. free very different yeah yeah it was. Empire and I'm like this is exactly. what's going on and then once I got that.

that was when my wife and I got serious. about like okay we need to actually get. ready for what's coming because it's. going to be I don't know what's coming. but it's the the Baseline of what's. coming is going to be chaos and we're. going to see a lot more of what we saw. you know broken supply chains um riots. whatever right like that's kind of the. best case scenario is just more of what. we saw in 2020 and um. uh so I kind of Dove deep into the the.

sort of prepper world most of it's. nonsense most of it are clowns who don't. know what they're talking about you like. it's but there are group groups of. people who who I think are pretty. sophisticated how long did it take for. you to realize that your bugout place in. the North Carolina Mountains January 1st. 2021 is that is that right so that's not. adequate explain why that's not adequate. because okay when Empire collapses the. thing that matters most is community. who are you. around how what skills do they have what.

skills do you have how well are you can. your group band together and endure the. tumultuous chaos until some new state. steady state arises and having a cabin. in the woods is the opposite of. community right that was the the the old. school American thought of prepping is. really based on nuclear war and how a. bunker and like it's just nonsense it's.

not really thought out but if you go. study end of Empire and you study people. who've lived through intense chaos they. all say the same thing right like. there's a lot of when the when the Roman. Empire not the Republic when the empire. fell there were lots of places that did. great because uh you know you can some. warlord or or the local Roman general. would just say okay like the we're we're. going to make this town my Empire and. the legions are going to marry local.

girls and this is our area and those. became I mean you can name them like. Allowed no chaos uh lots of parts of. Gaul thrived for thousands of years. hundreds if not thousands of years after. because they had uh local rule all the. sorts of things that work now the Roman. Empire fell but for a lot of people um. in the aftermath of that did really well. if they had great community. right same with Mongolia same with same.

with the a lot of ways the British. Empire although British Empire was a. little different it was a more modern. Empire but the point is our my cabin in. the woods had no community and so my. wife and I like how do we where can we. go to find Community how do we build a. community and it starts by not a cabin. in the woods but by by growing raising. your own food taking responsibility for. water power and food but in the context. of where a lot of other people are doing. the same and so we we we knew we wanted.

to stay in Texas for a few reasons and. um we ended up picking Dripping Springs. um it's not the there's a lot of like. kind of towns in Texas that are doing. things like this uh dripping is not the. only one it's the one that we like the. best for a couple different reasons so. we bought a homestead uh we actually we. bought a place a beautiful Ranch was not. a homestead we've had to convert it to a. homestead but whatever and then we. started to school and uh encourage it so. what's the difference between a ranch. and a.

homestead well um generally speaking a. ranch is where you just like sort of. raise livestock but what we bought was. because I didn't know right I didn't. really understand land I bought a place. that uh this older guy this Boomer had. had kind of carved out of nothing and it. was beautiful beautiful oak trees and. rolling pasture but it was dead like and. I mean literally dead the soil was dead. everything was dead because the way he. dealt with the land was very 20th.

century kind of mentality it was uh uh. PES pesticides kill the bugs herbicides. kill the weeds fertilizer raises the. grass like that doesn't really work well. it works it can work sort of for a while. in certain circumstances but if you want. to actually have a living thriving. ecosystem I I kind of went deep in the. permaculture and regenerative. agriculture worlds and I realized that. those people had figured out and so what. we had to do was stop all chem I had to.

fire all the people he had that were. working there the landscapers or. whatever you know everything was. irrigated it was he hit St Augustine. grass which requires like you know 130. inches of rain a year in Texas right. like so you're not getting 130 inches of. rain in he's irrigating but nonetheless. it's like what what are we doing this. doesn't make sense with our land and and. where we are and so the last two years. I've spent essentially um turning it. into living soil and regenerating the. land and doing management practices that.

make sense for Dripping Springs Texas. for 30 in of rain a year and you know. like uh and now we have like it's it's. not where it's going to be in three four. five years but it's good man we've got a. a big flock of sheep bees we have meat. chickens egg chickens you know like we. have U you know Garden um starting to. put in all kinds of stuff and so we're. totally independent water totally indep. meet totally independent uh we can be.

totally independent power we're hooked. on the grid because why would we inde be. independent before we have to be but um. we have a system where we can endure a. lot of chaos and be totally fine and. we're surrounded by people in our. community who are for the most part in. the same position are very similar they. have similar values similar approach to. the world um you know we that's why we. started a we started a Waldorf School. literally 3 minutes from our so for. viewers you're not familiar with Waldorf. what is that so there's lots of. different educational philosophies um.

Acton monor Public School uh Waldorf is. a a philosophy it started in Germany. like 150 years ago and I think it is by. far of the educational philosophies it's. by far the best it is the one that kind. of feeds the emotional side um it kind. of it's like a Renaissance style right. where it kind of tries to help the whole. child help create the whole child of the. educational styles I think it's the best. um that being said I'm still not sure if.

organized schooling is right for kids or. not cuz right now we have one kid I'm. homeschooling because he doesn't have. enough kids in his class for for the. waldor like there just aren't kids he. doesn't have a class there but the other. two are waldor waldorf's the best by far. if you're going to go to a school I'm on. the fence about which is better or worse. so all of your children are out of the. public schools oh never went into public. schools my man I would I don't hate my. kids I'm never going to send them to. public school. and raises a philosophical and and I.

want to play this is the president. United States with a message I think is. relevant to you which is that those are. not your kids actually here he is. Rebecca put a teacher's Creed into words. when she said there's no such thing as. someone else's child no such thing as. someone else's child our nation's. children are all our children so your. kids are really his kids he owns your. kids it's like when people say you know. I'm coming to take your guns like well. Stack Up stack up and come get them same.

with kids no those are my kids and my. those children are mine and my wives now. I I will say let's give it a very uh. judicious um uh uh interpretation if. what he means and I don't think this is. what he means but if what he means is I. don't own my children like their chatt. or slaves that they are independent. beings and my job is to Steward them. totally agree totally on board uh in no. way shape or form do I think my kids. should live their lives based on what I.

want they should live it on what they. want totally on board I see my job is to. help them become full people yes and. find the lives they want I don't think. that's what he means I think what he. means is the very typical bureaucratic. really it's a really a communist Marxist. idea that children are the property of. the state that the citizens are the. property of the state that is and you. disagree with. that I disagree it's not strong enough. it's not it's not a strong enough term.

yeah like I I there's just no chance. that's going to exist in my. world yeah just not so I always thought. I mean of course I vehemently agree with. you but the number of parents who. presumably love their kids more than. their own lives most parents do I think. who are willing to let not just. Alzheimer's patients posing as president. but any represent of the state just kind. of come in do whatever they want to. their kids sexual their kids basically. like kitty porn [ __ ] with their kids and.

they allow it. why it's a man it's a good question I I. don't know because I like clearly I. would never in a million years allow. anything like that I think most people. can only give their kids what they got. and most people were raised by people. who went to public schools and they went. to public schools and they were ra. public schools are designed to create. obedient uh.

employees like that that's the most. charitable right uh uh um sort of. interpretation it maintains the surf. class that's the point it does that is. that and I'm not saying this this isn't. like a conspiracy theory or a metaphor. like there's a guy John Taylor got who. wrote uh a couple great books about this. um the literal stated goal Horus man all. those people who invented the the the. American public educational system. they're stated goal is to create. subservient employees who know how to be.

good. citizens and uh like that's just I I. didn't I didn't have children for that. reason to serve some other man or woman. or some faceless bureaucratic entity no. and so uh if someone was raised by. people who went to public school who. were just employees and that's who they. are it's hard I I I mean this like not. judgmentally I I could imagine it be. really hard for that person to. understand well this is where I went.

this was good enough for me they're. supposed to be experts why wouldn't they. know better you know um I I can. understand how a lot of people would get. to that spot now the good news is all. this nonsense lunacy with trans and. other crap in schools uh sexualizing. Little Children is a lot of people. starting to wake up and realize what I. mean I knew this I never had any plan to. send my kids to public school like that. was never I went to Public Schools.

mostly and I realized how nonsense they. were when I was there my parents weren't. very good but they they weirdly they. gave me a a gift they weren't they were. not good parents they um they weren't. bad people they were just bad parents. and but but their bad parenting gave me. a gift they didn't pretend that they. cared like they didn't mix a lot of. seriously people Li but I'm telling you. man it so many people that was the. upside my bad child it my parents didn't. pretend they cared because so many.

people's parents or or caregivers mixed. love with abuse and so so many people. see those two things together my parents. didn't really pretend they cared much. and so like I never mixed love and abuse. and also they didn't really show up much. for me and so I realized at a young age. that the adults weren't coming yeah and. the adults for the most part didn't know. what the hell they were doing they. didn't ever pretend they were experts or. knew what they were doing or had the.

right answers right and so it's like. they were so bad that in a way that they. were good they set me up to see the. reality yeah I mean it's I just love. your attitude about your childhood. that's a wonderful attitude to have well. I got there after a lot of emotional. work a lot of therapy a lot of. psychedelic medicine a lot of work um I. I wasn't always like that I was angry. for a while it's pointless to be mad. about the. past anger can serve a purpose for a. period if it get you out of shame or or. other sort of essentially anti-life.

emotions anger is a powerful motivating. emotion but if you say stuck there it's. not good I was stuck there for is your. wife totally on board with these. attitudes 100% oh yeah my wife I would. not be married to her if she wasn't if. we didn't share these Val we we were. very aligned in a lot of stuff when we. met and we've she's done a lot of her. own emotional therapeutic work as well. and and we both have grown so much. together over the last 10 years uh in. parallel. ways but I've seen people who um who.

split in the last three four years cuz. their values just went different like. there were the split was already there. but this kind of forced it um so you. you've organized your life around. surviving what you think is coming and. protecting your what's here not what. what's here now so what do you think and. then what might come what do you think. might come like what does that look like. I have no idea right the the range of. outcomes I think is extremely wide but. you're working to mitigate against those. eventualities or those possibilities you.

can't prevent everything right like U if. an asteroid hits um you know Florida. nothing I'm doing is probably going to. make any difference right like we it's. it's 95% of people are going to die it's. going to be horrible it's going to be. Armageddon and and and my um you know. having a flock of sheep's not going to. stop but um I I aside holding aside. really truly cat atrophic you know Noah. AR type.

situations um I I think the range of. possibilities are basically we're if. we're seeing collapse of Empire American. Empire which I think we are not not. necessarily the collapse of the American. state but the collapse of the American. Empire I think the LA my whole life. basically the. American consumerist experience has been. based on essentially free or low lost. Goods in everything whether it's food or.

housing or everything was really cheap. or really easy to get and I think if. just that period is ending and nothing. else then we're in for a major shock. culturally a major shock maybe a lot of. the rest of the world isn't we are now. on top of that unfortunately and sadly. excuse me I think World War III whatever. you want to call it is an inevitable um. I I think the US without going too deep.

in this Rabbit Hole the US debt has. gotten to the point where a war is. necessary um I mean it's all when. Empires rack up too much debt the only. thing left for them to do to save it. usually is war and then that doesn't. save it that you that goes out. accelerates its decline right exactly. there was a point where the US debt was. totally saved definitely during the. Clinton Administration and maybe even. even as recently as the Obama. Administration If the Fed had refinanced.

all of or a huge amount of national debt. when the interest was essentially zero. we'd be in a very different situation. but they didn't and so that plus the. massive stimulus spill stimulus bills uh. what they were was grafted uh but the. that plus the response to. covid that the were pass the point in. overturn and so what happens when. government uh defaults. War uh and then a lot of other.

consequences from that so um I don't. know the details no one does because I. think there's a lot of ways it could. play out I just want to ensure. regardless of what happens up to a. certain point that me and my family and. my community can endure that because I. don't think it's going to last forever. disasters and emergencies don't last. forever there's an other side I actually. think America is really well set up to. come out the other end of that in a. really positive place it's just going to. be painful to get there you know so.

here's one. potential mid to short-term outcome. which is that we continue pushing for. war with Iran yes which apparently. doesn't yet have nuclear weapons yeah we. do Israel does the whole Coalition AR. raid against Iran has them they don't so. how do they respond well maybe they just. unplug the United States maybe a Cyber. attack or EMP attack who knows totally. possible our Digital Life totally. possible so that would you know I can't.

even like to think about what that would. look like but where would that leave you. on your. homestead um are you living a life that. could withstand that I'm not a I'm not a. huge believer and now you have to be off. grid and you got to be living like the. Amish I first off I don't off- grid. doesn't exist even the Amish aren't. offgrid uh if you think about it like. they don't mine their own ore and they. don't smelt it right so not you know. disparaging the Amish like believe me.

I've like man these dudes had some stuff. figured out I didn't realize you're. you're Pro Amish for the record maybe uh. Pro certain things uh uh about Amish but. um no I I don't think offgrid exists and. I'm not a believer in oh you if you're. not doing everything hand it doesn't. work I don't I don't want to make my. life hard for no reason that's nonsense. I just want to make sure that there is a. lot of coming political and social uphe. it's there's a lot of political and. social upheaval now it's already.

happening and I think it's going to get. worse and I want to make sure that I'm. in the best place possible to survive. that I'm not trying to to go you know be. the unibomber and live only off the land. and only have things that you know like. uh ancient men had like that's if you. want to do that cool I I I I like. electricity but you're not making your. own bombs like he did dude I I like. electricity I like air condition I live. in Texas I really like air conditioning. it's pretty crucial for us I like modern.

conveniences I want to continue using. those as much as possible and it makes. sense but I. also if I had to say the big shift I've. made in my mindset man is that I was. like when I was in college you don't go. work for uh Goldman Sachs or go to law. school unless you are deep in the. consumerist mindset I think one of the. major psychological shifts I've made is. I've gotten out of the consumerist. mindset. to more of a uh Like a Shepherd mindset.

right and and I think it's one of the. travesties that can you just flesh it. out a little bit what when you say. consumerist mindset what do you mean. consumerist mindset means I live to. consume uh resources and status and uh. like my what are basically are most of. our parents were I I I I want the house. in the suburbs uh you know I'm going to. have these vacations I'm going to go to. these places I'm going to have this rank. in my Society it's it's an.

externally uh uh created identity right. that consumer because what do you even. know what to consume right it's what. your screen what your media tells you is. important and what you should be. consuming where's your status come from. where you know what matters what car is. cool or not what clothes are cool or not. that's a consumerist mindset right I of. course I was I'm American so I was. deeply IM mesed and immersed and that. growing up but the more one of the great. travesties I think of the last 30 years.

is that the conservation movement in the. environmental movement weren't one and. the same they they were kind of enemies. for a long time and I think though now. you're starting to see the. permaculturists and the regenerative. agriculture and the hunters and the the. conservationists really come together. and realize we're all on the same side. right and I I I am a big believer like I. mean like your studio right like. I really want to live in harmony with.

not just my family and my community but. my my the environment around me the soil. around me the grass nature and everyone. says that but like not many people. actually do that they live a very a life. that is divorced from the actual soil. around them and the trees around them. and the animals around them and the last. two years I if you'd asked me two years. ago if I live in harmony with nature I'd. been like yeah I like to think I do I. didn't at all and I had no idea what it. even meant to live in harmony with.

nature and having a homestead what's so. awesome about having a homest that is it. has forced. me to live in reality you can you can. have your phone and consumerist mindsets. you can live in abstraction right. everything is abstract but when you live. whether having a homestead or a ranch or. a farm or hunting you have to actually. pay attention to reality or nothing. works nothing right and it has grounded. me in a way that I thought I was.

grounded but I wasn't and that's a huge. reason why I wanted to get on land my. wife and I wanted to get on land is. because we craved that in our lives as. we did emotional work and dealt with our. issues we felt the divorce from the. world and wanted to get more integrated. into the natural world but then also. wanted to raise our kids that way so. that they never had to be divorced from. that and had to find their way back to. it right like I the whole point of. public school is to separate the child.

from the family and Orient them in. bureaucratic corporatist consumerist. society and I I mean like I'm kind of. torn because like I like electricity and. I like cool stuff and I'm not like you. know I'm not shooting with a bow and AR. I'm not hunting with a bow and arrow but. at the same time I don't want I don't. want all of the negative nonsense that. comes with that I want my children to. grow up on land with their hands in. dirt understanding first self- knowledge.

above all things and that is the. opposite of what you learn in public. everything public school is coming from. ex experts obey do what you're told. here's how life works the way our. children grow up first and foremost your. body your rules second is like literally. e every their body their rules that's. like my kid at any point can basically. stop anything going on saying no my body. my rules I don't want to go I don't want. to do that and as if it's not unsafe.

right then I'm like okay all right we. got to figure and so basic things like. that man I just I wasn't thinking about. until two three four five years ago but. having kids and getting on land I I I I. didn't realize how poisoned and how. toxic almost everything in our culture. is not just American the world like the. way humans relate to each other it g. give me an example when you say. poisonous what do you mean food you want. to talk about food yeah all right so um.

virtually everything you find in a. grocery store is at best unhealthy at. worst literal poison like my favorite. example um most people in America now. for cooking use seed oils canola oil. canola oil is was literally invented as. a an a lubricant for machine. me it was use I forget the exact history.

of it but it is machine lubricant it is. so toxic and horrible for the body and. it's in everything now a huge reason. that we wanted a homestead and to raise. our own meat and our own vegetables is. because it's really hard to get healthy. food anywhere even at farmers markets. sometimes it's hard to get it but like. go find something in a grocery store. that doesn't have a seed oil in it it's. almost impossible even at Whole Foods. unless you're on the Outer Rim right.

unless you're taking a head of lettuce. or something like that if it's in a. package something like I forget 70 plus%. of of stuff in packages in Whole Foods. has seed oils in it and it's poison it's. absolute poison and do you feel the. difference having gotten off it I mean. I'm 48 years old um it's just two days. ago some friends of mine were looking at. one of my book covers and the dude was. like you look like you what are you a.

vampire like you look like you haven't. aged I'm like no I've aged but unlike. most people in our society I have been. eating healthy for the last 20 years and. most people like you look at I look I. can't I'm 48 most 48 year olds are 48y. old men are a minimum of 30 pounds. overweight uh can can barely do push-ups. or P or pull-ups uh uh are are close to. death like meta ically our pre-diabetes. right are horribly unhealthy I don't.

even think I'm in that great a shape I. just don't eat the poisonous stuff I. just paid I'm like okay I'm going to try. and only eat meat from my. Homestead and like I you know I'm. metabolically if you look at all the. markers like my genetic AG is like in. the 20s I don't I don't do anything that. special man I'm not like out you know. working out six hours a day or any. nonsense like that I just eat healthy. and healthy means like I know where all. my meat comes from it all the lamb and.

chicken I eat born on my Ranch raised on. my Ranch killed on my Ranch processed on. my Ranch butchered on my Ranch eaten on. my. Ranch it's is it it's as God intended. what goes in it is grass uh and water or. bugs if it's chickens that's it you. mentioned God. offhandedly has your you of the Eternal. changed radically really radically I I.

so at 20 I think at a certain point in. your life if you if you are educated and. you believe in God this is going to be. controversial I don't mean it bad I. think you're stupid if you're not. atheist at some point early on in your. life because you can't I I don't believe. you can reason your way to God no yeah I. know St Augustine I whatever I'm with. you and and you Thomas Moore okay fine I. don't buy I I just don't think you get. to God from reason. and so I was atheist my whole life. because God never made sense if you.

think logically you grew up um I grew up. actually in the Episcopal Church like I. was an acolyte in the episc but you know. Episcopal Church is like a social club. it's not you don't yes I'm very familiar. with it yes you know like I literally. thought we went to church to eat donuts. and socialize I didn't know anyone. believed that because it was. Preposterous to me if you look at it. reasonably and rationally and then um uh. it was about four years. ago I you it's funny I had never done I. drank a lot never done any drugs in my.

life ever until I found uh part part of. my therapeutic protocols I did. psychedelic medicine right like MDMA L. LSD mushrooms but psych like with a. guide and and not recreationally like I. don't know how you do that stuff people. take LSD and go to concerts I I took LSD. and cried and found God like and it was. the experience for me was not like. talking to God it was I felt the Oneness. of all things and I felt the connection. to all things and I felt um I understood.

like I knew Jesus's and Buddhist. teachings. academically but then I was like it was. one very specific experience uh it was. LSC and I remember thinking oh [ __ ] the. Kingdom of Heaven is within now I know. what Jesus was talking about like and. and and you know if you meet a Buddha on. the road kill him like oh now I know. what Buddha was talking about and I have. a really good friend who's Mormon and. he's uh the type of Mormon that like you. know you meet some Christians and they. just have that energy and glow and.

you're like if all Christians were like. this like the world be I don't know what. you're into but I want to know More's. he's one of those guys and I I called. him two days after my thing and I'm like. Ben you you when you say you have a. relationship with God you mean that. literally like it's an experience for. you he goes bro I've been trying to tell. you this for a decade and I'm like I. thought you were stupid I thought you. were fooled I thought you just read the. words and got got fooled by them what. you have is the actual spiritual. connection he's like yeah and I did not.

understand religion I understood I I. didn't understand spirituality or belief. in God until I had the experience and. for me I had to get there on. psychedelics I don't really feel like I. do now the psychedelics were important. to open me up but now I think I can I. have enough of a connection to source to. God whatever you want to call it um I'm. very very much a god guy but not in the. way most God guys are like not a. religious way like I think religious. Dogma some people need it and they like.

it and that's cool I don't need Dogma I. think Dogma gets in the way and I think. if you actually look at the teachings of. Christ and definitely the teachings of. Buddha they say the same thing that the. Dogma is not the thing and is in fact in. the way although Buddha will say he says. that but he's like you know I'll give. you the the eight-fold path and all that. to help you but then you shed it when. it's time does is your wife in the same. place you are I think pretty much yeah. how's it changed your. life I me that's like uh cuz that's like.

a different way of seeing the world in. every single way I I I got past. consumerism because of this um because. once you once you realiz not realize. intellectually once you feel the oness. and some people can get there like at. church and some people get there with. yoga I I'm not I'm not saying my way is. better or worse it's just the way once I. felt the Oneness of all. things all of the frivolity and the. nonsense and the lies of the modern. narrative fell away and then for me it.

was like oh of course uh of course uh. being connected to land matters we're. all energy we're all part of the same. system I'm not different than this land. or this chicken or this sheep yeah I'm a. human and it's a chicken right but we're. all part we're all parts of the same. system we're all parts of God and if. that if you want to call system God I'm. on board um and uh and if that's true. then my entire approach before that's. what's toxic seeing myself as separate. from the system as different than the.

system no that's just not true do you. think I I don't I don't know maybe I'm. imagining it but it does seem like the. people in charge do a lot to discourage. these kinds of thoughts these. conversations people coming together to. have these conversations they're very. against religious faith everything I. just said is. absolutely completely. catastrophically counter to All Things. government um in all ways shapes and.

forms I don't think it's an accident. that the reigning governmental power at. the time killed Jesus I don't think it's. an an accident that anyone who preaches. anything like this comes Crossways of. power because most organized power tells. you however they frame the message the. message from organized power is you need. me you need me that's right and the. message from Jesus and from God just. stick with Christianity is you don't.

need. them I knew I'd never met you before. today and I and I and I have a ton of. daughters so and I did when you were. writing your books and um you know. whatever I wasn't living that kind of. life but I could tell you were a deep. person even even reading I hope they. serve beer in hell. not to brag I turned out to be right um. Tucker Max thank you for spending all.

this time that was thank you for having. me man I appreciate. it free speech is bigger than any one. person or any one organization societies. are defined by what they will not permit. what we're watching is the total. inversion of. virtue hey it's Tucker Carlson the. internet is crowded with interesting. things that don't really matter on TCN. we attempt to bring you interesting. things that actually do matter and a lot. of them interviews long form and short.

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