Aaron Rodgers: Epstein’s Death, Psychedelics, Fake Vax Cards in the NFL, and Pat Tillman

oh good to see you morning did you make. it back back where back to your. hotel how did that happen I know I left. him last night in the cold I just. hitchhiked a nice person did you. seriously. no uh I know that name right there I. know that signature anywhere who is that. Brett. Favre how did you know that cuz I played. with him a signature.

we've never done anything in here before. this is actually our dining room table. as you know you went dinner here last. night yeah and um you cleared a bunch of. stuff out though right we just moved the. chairs out but we actually I mean this. is our family dining room uh so and I. just thought I don't want to be in a. studio anymore yep studio is right there. studio is right there it's like tiny and. there's something.

I've been in it my whole life all right. let me just I just got to ask you about. this this is like thank you for dinner. last night by the way thank you that was. amazing that was really special I don't. know how you how you got home it was. like that was pretty right Lexi yeah me. right oh you're wandering around in a. t-shirt in the freezing cold okay this. is just I just I okay so I asked him to. pull a bunch of news stories I've been a. little bit out of it uh this is from the. guardian scientists have created a. vaccine that has the potential to. protect against a broad range of Corona.

viruses including varieties not yet. known about the experimental shot which. has been tested in. mice so so it's a. vaccine that doesn't protect you against. anything specific but just against kind. of like everything that might happen to. you supposedly yeah what just leaving. the science aside but as a pure kind of. like marketing question if you're and. I'm I'm going to see who who makes this. um I guess they all the same but some.

company makes this if you're the company. making this do you really think people. are going to be up at this point for a. vaccine that just has no real purpose. but just like kind of for the sake of a. vaccine because it's today yeah today no. I don't think so do you think a single. person will buy that yeah for sure. there'll be some people there's just so. much fear still I mean people yeah. people are scared still I think a swwa. of population there's still people. driving around on masks yeah no that's. true and I'm I try not to be judgmental.

because I think of course I'm very. judgmental I I I think they're mentally. ill but then I feel you know I've known. a lot of had friends family members. mental mentally ill so I I try to think. you know I should feel compassion for. them I have a lot more compassion for. them actually and and and empathy um and. I've been uh strong against uh vacs. against mandates against lockdowns. against of course all of it I I think. the last few months I've been looking at. things a little bit differently and I. think it's time for a lot of us.

to to maybe adjust some of the approach. that we're doing I mean it it obviously. hasn't worked we've been trying to wake. people up I think yeah with uh the. studies that are out there now exactly. with the science all the time uh with. the Articles with the change in stances. by everybody from Chris Cuomo on down. who have you know either had vaccine. injuries or side effects or um just look. at things differently um and it's caused. me to I think have a little bit more.

empathy and compassion for those people. who uh had ton of fear you know thought. they were doing the right thing yes for. themselves for their friends for their. families and went through all the mass. formation psychosis that we all did this. just full court propaganda against us. and are now going oh [ __ ] maybe maybe. that wasn't the best maybe they lied to. us maybe maybe they weren't being. truthful maybe this wasn't safe even. though they said from the beginning 100%. safe and effective everybody from Biden. to the head of the yeah da and CDC on.

down who so I think it's important for. us to if we want to make a difference. which I do and I don't don't necessarily. want to be way a part of the. conversation anymore um is how do we. call people forward to like um with. compassion and kindness that uh just. come over to the to the side of of being. awake to what's going on because I think. we all need to come to the grips that. this could happen again so how do we. call these people forward to like uh in.

love and acceptance not forgetting what. happened how we were treated how we were. canceled how we I mean everybody from. yourself the me the Joe the mutual. friends that we have um but like calling. people forward to like step into the uh. the truth um and and and that there. isn't shame and guilt on this side which. I think our side you know justifiably at. times because of the way we're treated. yes feels uh feels like we need to kind. of get some get back I totally agree. with you but at some point I was talking.

with Joe about this um kind of off. camera Rogan but like how do we kind of. bring everybody back on the same side. because this has been very divisive and. everything in our culture now is so. divisive yes um but how do we get people. more aligned on the same page and I. think it's only with love and compassion. and forgiveness and and uh you know I. admit I I've been very combative about. this because I was attacked personally a. lot of times when you're attacked you. want to just [ __ ] fight back I have. been too I agree of course but it hasn't. hasn't really accomplished what I want. to accomplish like I'm in my mind my ego.

was like well I'm going to be able to. convince these people that they were. wrong you know you throw the science. back at them and you think somehow. that's going to matter like people who. talk about science all day actually care. about science not at all of course it. has no effect how I mean how has it been. for you um you know cuz you were one of. the first to talk about it all the time. on Fox and actually that's um what made. me tune in every night was like what's. do going to say they didn't they didn't. want me to do that that but like there.

was obviously some cancerization some. shaming some uh you know I'm sure that. may not have been why they let you go. but it wasn't there was a lot of people. who it was a sign of Disobedience and by. the way I didn't want to be disobedient. actually I didn't want to fight about. the facts at all I never but you had all. the all the people that end up going on. Rogan you you had Robert Malone on there. you had Andrew kers you had Pierre Cory. you had Peter Mulla right I mean all. these people in the beginning right away. because I I just had a different from.

Stanford as well of course I had a. different understanding of science which. was that it's not a set of facts it's a. process it's a way of thinking yeah and. and that it needs to be questioned. that's the whole point otherwise it's. propaganda it's an unending series of. questions we think we know this how do. we know it's it's not so different from. what journalism used to be which is like. a process of it's a process it's a way. of thinking it's skepticism polite. reasonable skepticism it's rooted in.

reason though in the belief that we can. get to the truth or closer to the truth. using logic and um that was just. abandoned immediately that was the tell. for me I know nothing about vaccines I. still don't really know much about. vaccines but I know a lot about people. and I saw people saying things like just. shut up and do it because it's science. and then I thought well that's the. opposite of science yeah and it was and. I and I also got a very Sinister Vibe um. right away and just on my gut level I. was like I don't know what this is I'm. not doing that and neither's my family. but the weird thing is that's why I so.

appreciate what you just said is I don't. really know that many people who got. vaxed I don't live in a vaxed world at. all um my kind of people given where I. live and the people I like and how I. spend my free time like they're not the. people who got the V so I don't spend. really any time with people who would. defend that and I think I need to think. much more about it and and realize like. all of us live in a tiny little our own. tiny little worlds and we think we're. mainstream but we're not and um and. through the algorithm we're in and.

want or not that's what we're seeing no. it's totally right I someone said to me. the day maybe it was you do you know. anyone who didn't get the vacx who's. upset he didn't get the VX yeah does. anyone regret that decision no no right. not one person ever but people who did. get the VX really which is why I love. what you said I think they do regret it. and I think that when you're doing. something wrong you're very defensive. about it I used to smoke cigarettes and. they tried to make me feel shame for. smoking cigarettes and I would always.

like smoke a cigarette in public like. yeah I'm smoking a cigarette cuz I sort. of knew you're you shouldn't smoke. cigarettes not good for you but I got my. hackles up and I was more aggressive. would you like a cigarette would your. child like a cigarette I mean I sort of. wound up being that way you know what I. mean because I knew what I was doing was. wrong yeah and don't you feel like. that's part of what's going on here I. think there's a there's a big SWAT. that's like that there's the other SWAT. that goes I did this because you told me. to do this and this was mandated and now.

you're walking back all those things you. said to me back then now there's some. anger so there's the whole population. that's like I'm going to keep doing this. and I'm going to wear my mask in public. and I'm going to get another booster in. your [ __ ] face right and then there's. the other group that's like I know I did. this to keep my job to like keep from. being cancelled to keep you off my back. and now you're going to walk back and. say you didn't say it was safe and. effective and you didn't say I wouldn't. get or or or I wouldn't acquire or. transmit Co like what do you mean you're.

now you're changing history that's the. only reason I got it you said this is. the only way to be safe and there was no. side effects and that was all that's not. bullsh that was all stuff that was said. and there's videos out there you can. check out so there's there's that side. of the population that's like hold up. hold the [ __ ] on like you said all this. stuff now you're walking this back. that's how I feel you know and then. there's the other set that that doesn't. want to engage at all that did it and. now has a lot of fear around it a lot of. Shame around it and so I think two of. those three groups of people can kind of.

like bring in you know there's. compassion and kindness there compassion. and kindness for the person that's still. wearing a mask. too especially that person I can't. relate to that type of fear but I. understand what it's like to be scared. of things and and just the fear to to. feel like you still have to do that like. that's a really shitty place to live so. like showing compassion and kindness and. it's easy to make fun of those type of. people when you're on the way other side. but like what ises that actually. accomplish if we want to come together. more and look I'm guilty of it at times. for sure but like I'm tired of that I. don't want to be a part of anymore I.

want I want to be a part of bringing. people together I so strongly agree with. that when was the last time you saw a. national leader trying and calm people. down about anything. ever no yeah I would love it if somebody. in elected office or with a lot of. influence nationally were to stand up. and say let's start with what we know. we're all going to die probably. terrified and alone so that that we know. we're going there so in light of that. why are we afraid of anything actually. given that our Fates are all sealed like.

doesn't that liberate us I think so and. I think that's a great place to be you. know like when you step into this you. personally I'm talking about you when. you stepped into this this realm you. know you were the number one anchor at. number one show nightly and the stuff. you were taking on and then the way that. you were ousted there and then you go to. x and you're the [ __ ] the interviews. you're doing the numbers you're going. then you go and interview Putin like. you're putting yourself in In Harm's Way.

you like and and and I commend you just. like I commend Bobby Kennedy because. there's there's Bobby said recently. there's a lot worse things than dying. that's for sure and I commend you as I. commend Bobby like there's something to. standing up for what you believe in and. and doing your job you're doing old. school I hate to say but old school. journalism where you're just talk I am. old I am old all of a sudden. unfortunately like but but when you go. into that that it's just a piggyback of. what you just said like I don't know. this person personally but I know that.

you must have a relationship with death. where you realize that it's inevitable. and you know I'd rather like live the. way I want to live stand for what I. believe in than like live in a fear that. uh something could happen to me I'd. rather be a free man in my grave uh um. so of course yeah and by the way I have. the massive advantage of having grown. children so when you have little kids at. home and I I I haven't had a very. adventurous or dangerous life but a.

couple time one time in particular I was. pretty sure I was going to die and I had. little kids at home and um I was in a. plane crash and I remember as it was. going down I was like oh my gosh you. know they're not going to thrive if I. die I mean that really terrified me and. but now that they're grown it's like I. am going to die yeah so this we know and. I meditate on that a lot I don't think. it's morbid I think it's. liberating and so then you realize like. what what are you going to do to me you. you know there's I'm Not Afraid at all.

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who called for the death of the. unvaccinated that's like kind of the. category that's harder for me to people. like Jimmy Kimmel for example who. famously said Sean pen as well and Shawn. pen as well who I know actually and sort. of like but what what I like him less. after hearing that what how do you treat. people like that who wanted you to die. Dr foui said that if hospitals get any. more overcrowded they're going to have. to make some very tough choices about. who gets an ICU bet I that choice. doesn't seem so tough to me vaccinated.

person having a heart attack yes come. right on in we'll take care of you. unvaccinated guy who gobbled horse goo. rest in peace Wheezy you're well I think. you framed that in the right in in the. right place like there's. um uh you know there was a great mashup. that Rogan talked about a few times. where it was all these different shows. and it said brought to you by fiser. Anderson Cooper brought to you by fizer. it's an amazing I think you have to. realize that there's it's all about the. money and and as you get into this you.

read Bobby's book about the real Anthony. fouchy you realize if you want to know. what's really going on not just in big. Pharma but in government is follow the. money and the and even in the NFL I mean. there was a strong push they sent. Stooges out to every team to try and. enforce a vaccination level above 90% on. every team with zero exemption with zero. um uh informed consent uh just get this. so that we look good because big Pharma. ads spend is humongous not just on the.

late night shows it's obviously. influences Hollywood the NFL so you have. to understand who is actually I I was. talking to a Navy SEAL friend of mine. the other day who just got out of out of. the Navy and like professional athletes. I mean these are the last people who. needed the vac and so there was this. intense push to make them all get the V. he left the Navy over it but he said. most of his friends on the Seal team he. was on did not get the VX they got fake. vax cards because they knew they're very. in touch with their physical health.

their seals not so different from an NFL. player how many NFL players actually got. the VX do you have any idea I don't have. any idea I know that I'm I'm sure that. there was uh plenty who got fake cards I. feel like you know there's. uh I think there's a base level of um. hesitancy around just the big Pharma. medicine in general when when you're. black to say it's like 70% black the to. their great credit a lot of black guys.

are like no way yeah and based on the. history I think it's warranted if you. know any of the history about some. totally fa human experiments that went. on and ridiculous things in some of. those communities if you know about the. you know what's gone on in foreign. countries as well with some of these. vaccines uh predominantly uh places like. Africa oh yeah um where people have been. maimed and killed and Paralyzed by these. vaccines many of which are not actually. approved anymore uh in the states get. sent over to Africa again that's a.

reference to something that Bobby talked. about in this book about fouchy um. there's a lot of interesting chapters. around that so on a base level there was. a lot of hesitancy like I don't think. this is I going to do this but in the. NFL it was like if you're working for a. team there was no choice it was it was. get vaxed if you're a player there was a. choice but if you chose not to get it. then you had a whole different set of. rules you had to wear a different. colored armband you had to you couldn't. uh go a restaurant you couldn't uh spend.

time at somebody's house and more than. three people were there uh you couldn't. go anywhere on the road you uh you know. had to test every single morning and and. not enter the building until you got a. negative back uh that all went away once. the uh once the playoffs happened. because of course they want to ruin the. money at that point and all the testing. went away but oh there was a playoff. exemption for the disease. yeah no I I got to ask if they're making. you wear a colored piece of clothing.

yeah okay since all of us grew up in the. United States where World War II is the. kind of only historical event we learn. about forcing a small despised minority. to identify itself with a yellow piece. of clothing it seems kind of resonant. did anyone at the NFL say maybe not a. good idea to to force people to wear. yellow armbands if they weren't vaxed I. don't think they cared I I think they. cared I think they just wanted to hit. hit their numbers so we look like Nazis. but we don't care yeah I mean I I when. the stoe came and talked to us I asked a.

lot of questions about like uh informed. consent about testing about uh um. liability and he'd basically answer any. of my questions the the president of the. team end of the meeting uh and I tell. you a ton of people from every level of. the building came up afterwards and. thank me for asking the questions. because many of them had no no no choice. just get vaxed or lose your job and. there are certain coaches around the. league who quit because they don't want. to get vaxed I'm sure there may have. been uh you know fake cards that uh that.

went around I hope so um yeah you know. uh the whole thing has been uh a real uh. interesting thought experiment uh in. action around like what people are. willing to put up with how you can. control through fear uh and how obedient. someone will be uh CU remember what was. going on on all the networks you had the. live death tolls that were ticking up as. you watch the TV you had the live case. numbers you had um just the fear of.

mongering and then anybody that stood up. to it was canceled I mean all the. Twitter files I got released when Elon. took over that show the collusion. between the alphabet uh companies that. uh you know control a lot of stuff and. the old you know people with X what was. going on at Facebook and the censorship. and all these true experts in it you. know the Rob R and Peter McCulla Cory's. all these different people who stood up. the Alex parents and who who you know. said. tried to try to just get the message out.

we're silence and censored I think a. person with any level of Common Sense. would even if they got the back would go. that's kind of weird why are we. silencing all desending opinions when in. the history of the world have the have. has a censorship ever been uh been been. done by the good guys you know the good. guys are the ones doing the censorship. that actually doesn't happen what are. you scared of you're scared of people. being able to make up their own mind. yeah and you know you you see it on. Bobby just released a video 30-minute. video and uh about about who he is that.

got censored by Facebook which is just. wild I mean they're censoring the. election stuff which we. know you know the um Cambridge analytica. if you've watched that documentary about. what happened um it is just pretty wild. that the world that we live in where. there's a uh you know the idea of even. free speech and what is it is called. into a question all the time I just read. um intering book that was written a few. years ago called the codling of the. American mind and a basically talking. about what's going on at college.

campuses which we're seeing now all this. you know this outrage and different. things it started post 2016 when Trump. got elected when campuses felt like they. needed to create safe spaces because. speech is violent you know certain types. of rhetoric is actually violent so we're. uh vilifying the opinions now and we're. cancelling People based on what they. believe and and that's a slippery slope. to go down whether you cancel somebody. who's um you know super racist or or or.

or uh you know against opinion that you. believe in like none of that actually. works ignoring the [ __ ] you don't want. to listen to and or be a part of is one. thing but like picking and choosing what. to censor is a very slippery slope and. you being in the media you know how. important it is to to get people on all. different sides well you can't have. democracy if people can't say what they. think but but democracy in general I. mean this country was founded as a. constitutional republic yes which. empowers the civil liberties you know. democracy self government unless people.

are not slaves unless they're free but. you know S I mean democracy always falls. into into fascism and and tyranny and. ultimately dictatorship unfortunately. I'm aware of that that and that's where. we're at now why do you oh I'm aware why. do you think that is why do you think. democ and a lot of 19th. century sort of free-minded people in. Europe looked over at what was happen. happening in the newly mined United.

States and said that's going to become a. dictatorship ultimately why do you think. that. happens I think I think uh there's a lot. of reasons I think uh entitlement is is. a big part of our society that is has. been um you know a cancer for us because. people believe that their opinion is. more important than somebody else's. opinion um you know it was it was uh it. was weaponized against uh people who. chose not to get the vacc some people. would say your freedom isn't more.

important than my [ __ ] right to live. and and and uh but I I think that. um I think ultimately uh it. creates. um it creates too many voices that uh. that are all about division so there's. you know a true democracy where every. vote matters means that all of us are. important to the whole but when. democracy spirals out of control and.

entitlement uh is is the common thread. through it then nobody believes that. your opinion matters and much of their. opinion and it goes into uh a straight. egotistical um narcissistic view which. ultimately leads to some sort of fascism. some sort of uh tyrannical stuff and and. when it's weaponized by the people in. control who control the messaging in the. media control the food supply control. the water. supply you're you're fighting a losing.

battle it does feel that way and it it. feels. like you know both of us grew up in a. country that was outwardly focused on. its enemies were outside its borders. right I mean I grew up during the Cold. War eny was the Soviet Union you know. China you know pick a country we were at. odds with it does seem like all the. energy um that the federal government. musters against its enemies is being. mustered against American citizens like. we're the enemy that's the way it feels. to me yeah I was I was at the Kentucky.

Derby this last weekend and they were. swearing in some new uh recruits to uh I. think join the Army and so uh they had. them repeat uh repeat after the you know. Sergeant or whatever who was swearing. them in and I just was stuck with that. one line that uh protect against uh all. enemies foreign and domestic yes and I. was like and I said kind of domestic out. loud because I was like are we. forgetting that one because there's a. lot of domestic people in this country.

who actually don't love America who. actually don't um don't want to see us. Thrive I'm super patriotic I think it's. CU my grandpa fought in the second world. war was a prisoner of war and believed. in Freedom and fought for it and lost. many friends using the Air Force who. were at Pearl Harbor and you know was. flew many bombing uh bombing missions. over um you know to try and liberate um. the French and Polish people there over.

in Europe and and uh almost lost his. life for it and lost a lot of friends. and believed in this country and and the. freedoms uh that he was willing to fight. and die for and so that's why I grew up. in you know and I love this country and. I want to see it Thrive and I think. there's a lot of people that don't give. a [ __ ] about it and if you look at some. of the policies how does it make any. sense to have you know open borders to. have non-secure elections to have um you. know the lobbying that we have in. Washington where. uh you know the pharmaceutical companies.

the big a the big everything uh controls. the policy of the policy makers you have. people in Congress and and the Senate. who uh you know who go right from you. know their their duties to these huge. you know huge profitable jobs or. speaking engagements and pick a pick a. you. know swath of the economy whether it's. banking or egg or military defense or. whatever it is and everybody's in. everybody's pocket and then you create. these bills that have 40 different.

things in it and we're spending billions. of dollars Ukraine and billions of. dollars to Israel and billions of. dollars to these college. campuses um there's just a lot of issues. right now that that uh seem really. unamerican and I think there's a lot of. red-blooded Americans people are like. how can you know how can Trump have such. support well people are fed up with it. and he speaks the rhetoric of like. taking back you know making America. great again and stuff my thing is he had. four years to do it and didn't drain the. swamp and whether he just got scared. because of what he learned when he in. there I think it's very. plausible um but that's why I was.

interested when Bobby came to me and. said what do you think about being my. running mate and I said are you serious. I'm a [ __ ] football. player but I love this country and I'd. love to be a part of uh you know. bringing it back to what she used to be. there's a great uh did you think about. it oh yeah I thought about it I. definitely thought about cuz I love. Bobby and and I just wanted to hear what. he had to say about it there's a great. uh opening scene of one of my favorite. shows called Newsroom do you ever see.

the opening scene with Jeff Daniels Jeff. Daniels is a he's an anchor uh for a. news station he must and there's a panel. yeah great person and he gets asked this. question uh you know why is America so. Star Spangled great you know what makes. America so great somebody says like. democracy and somebody says like freedom. and he's like uh you know he doesn't. want to answer the question he says you. know the the Preamble of the. Constitution is the greatest piece of. you know written material ever I. something like that and then he goes n I. can let you off like that you you got to. give me an answer and he goes in this.

like three minute monologue about how. America is not the greatest country. anymore he he talks about the literacy. rates and math rates and reading rates. and uh you know the we spend more than. next 25 on the you know on the defense. spending and uh but at the end he said. but we America's not the greatest. country anymore but it could be and he. talks about what it used to be and we. used to Dream Big Dreams and and uh. build incredible you know uh buildings. and great technology and different. things it's like super patriotic like.

and that starts the whole show out where. he gets kind of canceled for this or he. gets put on display like oh my God like. this guy is willing to like T tackle. some of the big the big issues in this. country and like keep it real and I. think that's what that that that. resonated with me because I'm like yes. like what used to make America great. like how can we get back to that and. that's why I love people who are willing. to stand up for what they believe in. like yourself and and the stuff you. would talk about uh on your show was was. uh yeah but that's job not but nobody. else is doing that though you.

know cow they're cowt to well yeah I get. it but we're a country of cowards. now people are not willing to stand up. for or stand up to the people that are. in. charge well I know many and I have such. contempt for them I mean they're not. even good at fascism that's that's I. guess my final analysis they're not even. good at that what was it for you were. you just like [ __ ] it like I'm going to. say what I want to say were you always. like that or was there something. that way had to be something where. you're like okay cuz you talked about.

JFK you know and and the and the CIA. being part of his death we were talking. about this off sign at dinner which was. so interesting I mean you're a. professional athlete this is not your. day job no it is my day job I lived in. Washington for 35 years and I didn't. really quite I mean I had lots of. opinions all kinds of opinions but they. were sort of aligned with a political. party and I didn't ever question any of. the. basic um assumptions that I had you know.

people would say oh Roosevelt knew that. the Japanese were going to attack aahu. in December of 1941 I was like you must. be crazy Well turns out that's true it. was a senate inquiry into it during the. war that suggested that strongly because. it's real that in a lot of other things. but it took me a long time to even ask. those questions and when I did I was. like I was well then I had to leave the. city I I moved out because I was so. shocked by it and so distressed by it. but you were saying that I mean the real. question is not how did I come to that I. mean I was marinating in that world my.

whole life um why did it take me so long. is the real question but how did you on. an athletic. track how did you come to these. conclusions that's the more unusual well. I think I was I it was a number of. things um I always wanted to question. what I believed because I feel like it. could strengthen that yes and although. that wasn't maybe the the thought uh uh. process growing up in the church. there was there was a lot to like just.

believe this and have faith don't ever. question it if you question it that's. doubt and doubt is a sin but I was like. I don't know like I kind of want to. question this so so I can have it uh. confirmed can can I point out that on. the cross as he was being tortured to to. death Jesus said my God my God why have. you forsaken me right Jesus said that so. the idea had some doubt he had some. doubt yeah on the cross um but but I got. into so I think you're allowed to ask.

questions and have well yeah but yeah I. kind of gave myself that permission when. I was younger but I did a report my. sophomore year in high school on JFK and. I was just kind of super fascinated by. his Charisma and uh the Kennedy family. in general yes and then his death and uh. what little I knew about it um and I. talked to um some people that maybe. didn't believe the Warren Commission or. the official narrative so I did a report. on it it was more on JFK because I think.

we had to pick influential person from. history to report on so I picked JFK and. in high school in high school and back. then with very limited internet access I. did a lot of research uh in the library. and read a lot of things read the Warren. Commission um a decent amount of it the. Warren report and was. like there's some [ __ ] in here this. doesn't make sense you tell me this. magic bullet from this guy went boom. boom boom boom boom thre them and then. they just happened to find it you know. in the hospital a certain spot I was.

like that doesn't sound right so that. kind of got me into um questioning. things conspiracies for sure questioning. things I've seen some really interesting. UAP phenomenons in the sky I've talked. about it and I know that something that. you you are fascinated by. um you know at the time I also found a a. way to to see uh the zuder film which uh. you know was very uh fascinating as well. even though it's super grainy um and.

that kind of got me into questioning. things and then there's been a lot of. really interesting uh things that have. happened over the years my grandfather. though he you know I didn't get to know. him that well but I do know that he. always questioned uh and believe that uh. that Roosevelt knew um about the. Japanese coming and that always struck. with him because he uh you know he was. super patriotic and another one of my. heroes Pat. Tilman who left the NFL to join uh the.

Army um you know his death is very uh. suspicious as well uh in that not the. fact we know that he was killed by. friendly fire but the way they handled. his body afterwards his. uniform uh confiscating his last journal. uh using his death to prop up the war. propaganda there's been a lot of great. people in history who are super. patriotic who've question uh their. government and I think that's what I've. I've done since uh you know since I was. since I kid and pardon my ignorance I.

didn't I didn't even know that about. Tillman's Journal so that was. confiscated by the his his uniform was. burned and his in his journal was uh was. confiscated that's in John crack hour's. book where men win Glory which is a. fantastic book and one of my best. friends in the entire world AJ Hawk AJ. grew his hair out him and his buddy um. in 2004 uh in as an Ode to uh to Pat um. because Pat always had long hair played. for the Cardinals left a mult million. contract to go um you know fight uh you.

know fight the al-Qaeda and Taliban gets. over there and like what the [ __ ] am I. doing I'm guarding these poppy fields. it's not what I signed up for I miss my. wife I miss in the States this is not. what I thought we were going to be doing. over here and then some really uh. negligent Maneuvers uh happened and. split up his unit and he ended up being. with um one of the members of the Afghan. uh Army who was their kind of guide and. you know a guy saw the guy in some dim.

Lighting on the ridge who was with Pat. they fired on him obviously Pat and U. the Afghan thought that they were. getting fired on by Taliban so fired. back and end up Pat got killed his. brother was not told right away that it. was friendly fire they like it's it's. all in the book it's a fascinating book. one I mean it's one of the only books. I've ever cried reading just cuz it's so. uh I me John's an incredible writer he. wrote Into Thin Air he wrote Into the. Wild he wrote Under the banner of. I read those three I the tman book yeah.

the Tillman book is incredible but um I. don't know why I'm bringing this up just. that there's so many people that really. love this country have' gotten. disenfranchised I think that's part of. it who been betrayed by their leaders. yeah I mean for your grandfather who you. said lost friends at Pearl Harbor Y and. was shot down over Europe and held as a. p by and and he you know recently. there's a gentleman writing a book about. me and uh he's writing a chapter on him. and he went found the war crime uh um uh. committee uh that actually interviewed. him after he came back because he was.

mistreated over there uh there was a uh. one of his um uh one of the guy it was a. group of like I think there were 10. people on his on his bomber one of the. guys ruptured his spleen on the way down. and they mistreated him uh made him. March like uh 20 miles in the freezing. cold didn't get him any medical uh. treatment so there was like a war crimes. commission that was doing interviewed so. he was interviewed about that um and it. talked about kind of how he was treated. the the you know how they put uh you.

know worms in his food and didn't water. for certain times and and uh just the. bad conditions they were and and that's. all he went through he went through all. that because you know he really cared. about his country and I think even up. until his death you know there was for. sure some bitterness I would guess. around what was I actually doing and why. was I doing it and who had to die you. know my friends at PE Harbor you know. for this country that I [ __ ] love. that I almost died for that's right um. and I think those are the those are the.

great people that have made this country. what it is and we're you know now to. even question the government you're. you're some like right-wing conspiracy. crazy tinf foil hatwar which is wild. because it seems like the left has gone. so far left and anybody right of that. there's no Center anymore that's. according to the left you're just you're. a right winger unless you're so far on. the left the left used to be a party of. Occupy Wall Street speech and rights for. everybody uh now is they're the ones.

beating the drums on the War Machine and. sensorship and obedience they're not. criticizing Wall Street too much I. notice. yeah there was a fascinating study a. very revealing study that showed that at. the height of Occupy Wall Street the New. York. Times torqued up its coverage of racism. so the the word racist racism White. Supremacy went up hundreds of perc in.

the New York Times you can check all. this on their database during Occupy. Wall Street it was almost like somebody. decided it would be better to be at war. with each other than to be asking. questions about our financial system. it's not surprising that's what they do. that they distraction uh the true. disinformation comes from actually those. those Publications now how have they. treated you a lot of character. assassinations I've noticed. um when I uh tested positive for covid.

the whole my whole world changed and. people I thought were allies in the. media just turned on me um they spammed. my uh sponsors you know to the tune of. uh uh one of my sponsors who's having a. hard time uh keeping me got said they. got spammed with 140 million uh. Impressions who across all social media. to get rid of me um because of my. you know choice about what I want to put. in my body uh they didn't to their.

credit they stuck with me for one more. year um one of the sponsors dropped me. uh within a couple days which is fine. um uh but yeah uh you know. when when it came out whether it was. somebody from the campaign or not. released that I was a finalist to be. Bobby's vice president there was a total. character assassination was some bizarre. story from 12 years ago that somebody. thought thought they heard something. that I was questioning something um and.

what it all comes down to I think which. that was CNN that did that yeah of. course is I'm not beholding you know I. have a contract but I don't you know I'm. not beholding anybody I'm I'm uh I'm. dangerous to them because I speak my. mind you know I'm. not you know cliche ridden uh you know. obedient um. star athlete I like speak my mind I'm.

I'm a loose cannon to them but why I. mean wouldn't it just be easier to. collect the accolades and collect the. money and and just not say what you. think in public keep it for dinner. parties like yeah I mean I think a lot. of people have done that over the years. I there's been a lot of great Stars. who've done that and I respect that um I. think I. just I I love uh I love this country and. I believe in this country I believe in. people too much to uh to just be quiet. about things that seem so obvious to me.

and corruption in any form is is. uh you know should be exposed and the. evils in this world that are out there. and you know there's good and there's. evil and uh the powers that be that uh. that don't want the the light to shine. the good to to exist you know really. push push things that aren't the best. interest of anybody and I just got tired. of of uh of dealing with it I also you. know got to a point that Rogan got to I.

think and and many other people where I. made my money um I have a platform I've. had success in my business what's the. worst that you could do to me like you. could kill me yeah um at least I'm not. dying on my knees amen and um stand up. for what I believe in whether you agree. with me or not whether you agree with. the way I went about it that's your own. opinion that's fine but um I feel yeah I. feel good about about the way that uh. I've stood up for myself and like Bobby.

said there's a lot worse things than. dying and like I would be dying a little. bit every single day if I didn't say. some of the stuff that's on my mind now. I do want to like not be a part of the. you know the war against uh the people. that uh tried to canel us I would rather. be a part of bringing people back into. the fold and and actually Building. Bridges with some of those people now. there's the evil that exists that I. don't care to engage with those people.

and they know who they are um most. people that have attacked me um that are. beholden to Big Pharma or money or. whatever it might be but um I think if. there's a chance for this country to. keep going and to exist and to not be. like the Roman Empire and and fall from. a then and I don't know if that's even. possible honestly but I think it's got. to start with love and compassion and. empathy and I'd like to be a part of. that conversation if possible so. strongly agree with that and clearly. covid was used like race questions have.

been used like the trans stuff is being. used to divide people and to make them. hate each other Y and that and you don't. want to be a part of that I don't want. to make that worse at all and I agree. with you I love the country and not only. do I love it I'm stuck here you know I'm. born here I will die here so it's my. country that's how I feel so I don't. want to it to get worse but I do have. unanswered in my mind like what was that. I mean you describ I think the motives. of the people that you know or I know.

you know they're. afraid they're just instinctively. differential to power okay that's fine. that's all human nature but like big. picture that's so crazy what just. happened they have this game plan where. it's like um you know we're a name call. you know antivaxer anti-semite bigot. racist whatever it might be you know. we're going to censor you then we're. going to try and cancel you then we're. going to go after the people that you. love and care about um and that's kind. of how they do it it um and so if they. called a vaccine then all these people.

who are hesitant to not get cancel not. be shamed by being called an antivaxer. are going to get in line to take. it but big picture do you have any guess. as to like what is the program here like. what is the point of this I think those. are some of the evils that uh that we're. up against are you noticing all around. just in your life are you noticing. people begin to make reference to. spiritual forces in a way they didn't. say 5 years ago is this my imagination.

no I don't think so I think that I think. that more people are kind of waken up to. that I think people that watched and. there's probably I don't know 10 15 20. million at least that saw your interview. on Rogan and saw you talk about the spir. the supernatural component of uaps I. think that is a good part of the. conversation for people to to reference. I grew up in the church and in the. church you know that there's a battle. that's going on between the scene and. the Unseen World between good and evil. between the the powers that we can see.

and the powers that we can't see and. there's some wild things out there that. we don't know about and there's some. government secet we don't know about at. a bare minimum whether you believe in uh. alien life UFOs uaps whatever you want. to call it there's some technology out. there that exists that's finally have. some sort of disclosure that the. government or the powers that be don't. think we're ready to be given that. information which is kind of wild um and. I understand that uh I actually don't. understand it um the thought process is. it's going to you know change the way.

that we look at life or religion or. whatever that gets in the whole other. idea about religion being as a you know. a way to control people uh control. thought maybe um which is pretty wild uh. but but disclosure I think needs to. happen uh it's going to be interesting. to see how it happens where it happens. but I you know in my space where I'm at. where I do you know a lot of plant. medicine the veils between World get. worlds get and dimensions get very thin.

so the idea of seeing other. entities um seeing uh you know Angelic. type of being and demonic type being is. is very. normal. um and the idea that there's a demonic. aspect to uh the uip phenomenon I think. is very plausible and interesting I do. too so you say plantbased. medicine I I think refer probably to a. lot of different things but among those. would be say iasa or pilosyan mushrooms.

so the conventional understanding is. that if you you know take a. hallucinogen you see hallucinations. things that your brain creates that. don't exist outside of you but you're. suggesting that you can see things that. are in effect real but that that you. don't normally see is that what what. you're saying yes definitely and I um. you know I've done I have many times now. and I've had many incredible.

experiences finally feel comfortable. talking about it I wasn't maybe after. the first uh like six times I sat and. then I finally said you know what like. this has made a huge impact on my life. and made me feel more connected to this. world and more loving and More in my. heart and even this last uh ceremony. group of Ceremonies that I did I think. has really helped me with um the last. four years of my life where um I went. from a a pretty belov belov d uh simar. Enigma still but pretty beloved uh.

athlete to very polarizing figure um and. it's helped me to kind of uh put that. all in the right context and perspective. and actually have a ton of gratitude uh. for the whole process even though it's. tough up and down and and more empathy. and compassion for those who've like. slandered me and canceled me or. attempted to um so it's been it's been. really important for me and really. really deep healing that for me well if. you wind up with more compassion for. your enemies it's hard to criticize it.

because I think that's that's where we. need to be well they also couldn't. criticize because I the first time I did. it I won an MVP then the second time I. did it I won MVP again uh so everybody. wanted you know put me in the like. druggy category oh you're just some wild. hippie druggy guy it's like yeah but. also I'm better at football probably. afterwards and a better leader and uh. better at relating to my teammates uh so. there there's a lot of positive what do. your say what do they say in general.

they're interested very interested so. many people from all different sports. I'm talking basketball players tennis. players golfers baseball players hockey. players and then my own uh. contemporaries in League are all. interested uh about it there's a base. level of uh plant medicine use for the. most part I would say it's marijuana um. and uh you know people have their own. opinions about marijuana uh but. uh a lot of people are really interested. about the healing effects they can have.

and the self deeper sense of self Lov. and deeper sense of connection um. there's just so many myths about it and. misnomers um I like to say and kind. of revised my view of that plant. medicine because people like oh plant. medicine what is this [ __ ] blah blah. blah um medicine is anything that uh is. you know is healing that's not addictive. and. drugs uh are substances that are. addictive and there's a ton of drugs and. not all Pharma bad there's some.

incredible pharmaceutical stuff that's. helped us with um with the with things. that I've used obviously I've had many. surgeries and had anesthesia and I'm. thankful for those types of drugs but um. medicine and and food as medicine has. been you know really impactful uh for my. life and and it's there aren't uh you. know they're not addictive substances uh. they're stuff that I like to use with. deep reverence inser Cy setting and this. made a big impact on my life and the.

people that know me have noticed the. change people that don't know me uh you. know have their their shots and their. opinions about me but um but I I do have. more empathy and compassion for all. those people and and and for myself too. and I'm just trying to do my best and I. was fighting a lot of battles you know. when I tested positive for covid and got. canceled or attempted and um I don't. feel like I need to fight as much uh. much of those what about you though cuz. you you did one of the most. controversial somehow not to me most.

controversial interviews in the last I. don't know how long when you went to. Russia and did Putin how did it feel. coming back because like anybody watched. the interview is like number one it was. [ __ ] awesome number two Putin came. off as an interesting thoughtful smart. individual and if you've read 1984 you. know the base game plan of government. control is you have to have an enemy and. you have to slander that enemy. regardless if you know anything about. him and I think a lot of people are like. oh Putin apologists are like you know. you know whitewashing all the stuff that.

he's done to the different people and I. was just like no I'd love to see Joe. Biden give an interview where you can. speak on the history of uh the United. States in the same way that Putin talked. about the history of of his country I'd. love to see Biden do an interview where. he shows how to operate a microwave and. I don't I don't think that's going to. happen and by the way Biden won't do. interviews and neither will zalinski so. far um but what was it like to to come. back and well you weren't you were like. in a couple other places after that went. to the Middle East after that for a. while I mean I was out of the country. for almost a month so I missed and I.

don't ever read about myself anyway cuz. I know who I am I don't need someone to. tell me so um I I missed all of that as. I always do but the idea that someone. would criticize an interview. where you just let the guy talk for a. couple hours I mean I just think that's. inherently useful I mean I just wanted. to do it as a documentary record of what. Putin is like or at least what he's like. in this context and people can decide. for themselves I'm a big believer. letting people decide for themselves I. think adult men have the right to come. to their own conclusions about things.

adults have the right to so um I'll. never stop believing that because we're. not slaves we can have any opinion we. want and if you don't like it then try. and change it through reason and if you. can't then [ __ ] you and I really feel. that way so that's that's the kind of. perspective I had going into talk to. Putin my perceptions of him are exactly. what you just said I thought he was an. interesting guy smart guy um impressive. guy you know in some ways obviously a. lot more impressive than Jo Biden but. he's Russian and he runs Russia and I'm. American and I live in America so I care.

about my country I want my leaders to be. better I'm not on Putin's side I don't. have any emotional attachment to any. foreign country because I'm not a. foreigner I'm an American and this is. the only country I care about but um but. for the record yeah I thought you people. can watch it and assess for themselves. and they should it's it's a fascinating. but the idea that you shouldn't be. allowed to do that is so crazy to me I'm. just not going to submit to that can by. the people who have like just bowed down.

and given interviews from their knees to. the zalinskis of the world gargling as. they interview yes it's wild as this guy. comes over in [ __ ] uh an outfit you'd. wear to the you know to the store on a. Sunday morning to ask Congress for. another hundred billion dollars is. [ __ ] W he looks like he's going to be. in the you know Village People music. video I mean it's like insane the whole. thing it's like you do sort of Wonder. like that and a million other things.

going on right now you wonder if they're. they're sort of seeing how far they can. push the population until someone starts. laughing like are you joking it feels. like that sometimes like what can we. what if we did this is anybody going to. give a [ __ ] no okay okay now let's try. this one here we're going to put Joe. Biden up and do this wait what this guy. who can't even walk over here shits his. pants every now and then we're then. we're going to pick the single dumbest. but most self-confident person in the.

entire nation of 350 million people and. make her White House Press Secretary you. have to deal with this every day on your. television no I know it's well I'm going. to that's not but the real question I. had for you in in relation to to freedom. of speech and free speech is two two I. believe champions of free speech who are. now uh in Exile um Julian Assange and Ed. Snowden I know them both and you've had. conversations with them um both people. who expose corruption and.

yes uh there was attempted murders on. both of them yes um both are alive. Julian is kind of rotting in a Cell. right now I believe and yes and Ed is in. his own Exile in Russia but thriving it. seems like yes um but both people who um. have a lot of affection for it just the. fact that they would do what they did. and uh expose what they exposed and knew. the. consequences um what do you how do you.

feel about about those two and do you. think there's any path back whether it's. uh Trump or Bobby maybe not even Trump. because I feel Trump didn't do it but if. Bobby were to get elected the. opportunity to to Pardon those people. would they come back to the States you. think would. they well I mean in the case of uh. Snowden who's stuck who I like a lot and. um and as with him and aange I don't. agree with them on everything I don't. agree with my kids on everything I don't. have to agree we agree on the things I.

don't either I just by the way if I'm. being totally honest I probably do agree. with them on on most things but but. whatever I'm sure You' I just love they. expose corruption and that they their. their bravery their physical courage. those guys their willingness to suffer. for what they believe and the principles. for which they're suffering you know the. Dignity of the individual we're all. created by God you cannot treat me like. a slave you cannot tell me what to think. you cannot tell me what to say you. cannot lie to my face period because I. have self resect and that there is a. field of value this is right this is.

wrong what was going on was wrong and we. got to expose this well and Snowden. especially I mean Snowden you know. Assange is Australian he's lived around. the world um he was a journalist I don't. think he had any expectation that he. would wind up spending his adult life in. prison I don't think that even crossed. his mind maybe it did I haven't asked. him uh but Ed Snowden knew exactly what. he was getting into and he was you know. middle class American high IQ guy lots. of job opportunities here he could have.

lived a very comfortable life with his. wife and kids and he intentionally put. all of that at risk in order to tell. Americans what their government was. actually doing and what's crazy to me is. not that the US government is trying to. murder him which of course they are but. that news organizations don't defend him. that's when you realize the new quote. news business is totally fraudulent none. of these people mean it. they went into it these are people who. went into the news business as a way to.

exercise and exert power over their. fellow Americans like has nothing to do. with informing people um it has to do. with controlling and oppressing them. that's why you work at NBC news so you. can control people it's really sick and. my my loathing for them just can't even. be described in words because it's so. profound I have not forgiven them and I. don't think I will but Snowden yeah. Snowden would come back tomorrow he's. American his wife's American I think. he's got a find life in Russia but he's.

not Russian and ultimately I mean I. don't know if you've lived abroad um You. probably haven't had time but if you. spend enough time in foreign countries. you realize no matter how wonderful they. are they're not your country you know. what I mean you'll never fully be a. citizen of another country if you were. born here so he wants to come back and. they won't let him and it's disgusting. it's disgusting that they would use a. term like traitor for him when he's. literally exposing. government corruption and stuff that you. should give a [ __ ] about if if I catch.

you robbing a liquor store and call the. police am I the criminal no you're the. criminal you're robbing a liquor store. Ed Snowden exposed Crimes by the US. government against the American. population US citizens who are paying. for this were being spied on illegally. and he's the criminal no no no he's the. hero you are the. criminal Mike Pompeo director of the CIA. who is literally a criminal yeah and yet. he's treated like I mean he's in the.

running to be defense secretary if. Donald Trump wins it's shocking take a. criminal and give him nuclear weapons. really but that's been the whole. revolving door with u government with. the um uh cabinet that happens revolving. door from the FDA to the CDC to who it's. just a it's a secret s handshake Society. of everybody just patting each other's. back and and staying in it that's the. corruption that needs to be exposed and. it's it's out there it's and they're. just doing it so overtly who gives a.

[ __ ] well in very high stakes too it's. not it's not just like well I'm not. doing the best possible job as. Transportation secretary it's like no. actually I'm forcing the the entire. country to take poison I'm killing. people I'm destroying the US economy for. the benefit of a few etc etc these are. these are big things these are not Min. minor fuckups these are like these are. major felonies in my opinion. and that's why I mean that's why I have. hope and I want Bobby to have a chance.

to debate and to get into it. because if not it's just going to be the. same [ __ ] over and over and over and and. like when the financial crisis happened. in ' 08 right and Obama put many of the. people involved in it into his cabinet. into into the the you know to Department. of Treasury was like one of the guys. from Goldman and Sachs I believe who was. a part of the whole [ __ ] [ __ ] they. went down and that's on inside job which.

is a great do take the captain of the. Titanic and make him Secretary of the. Navy. yeah but that's that's basically what. you're doing I know what do what do you. think motivates Bobby. Kennedy I think he he loves uh standing. up to the man to the to the big. corruption now he is royalty because the. Kennedy family is one of those special. families and his family has been a part. of uh in in a position of power or uh. Fame riches for a long time but look at.

his life and what he's done he's gone. after the EPA forever and he gets [ __ ]. for uh for his vaccine stance but he was. never a part of that it was actually a. couple women who came up to him when he. was suing the EPA for years and winning. yes for them destroying our our water. and destroying people's lives and. winning consistently and then he's like. oh [ __ ] there's another issue that's. going on it's the chronic disease. epidemic in this country and he can give. you all the numbers from what it was and. there's certain dates and time where.

certain things happen where chronic. disease went way up in the 80s. specifically after a bill was signed by. Ronald Reagan and since that time if you. look at a lot of the numbers there's. been a huge jump in chronic disease for. kids in illness and SIDS and uh autism. allergies all these different things and. he's just saying listen I'm not saying. that. causation is correlation 100% but there.

has to be some sort of relationship here. with this and why don't we do some. studies on it why don't we get some. transparency why don't we have these. vaccines go through the normal trials. and and. testing because learning things is. anti-science yeah and yeah but but um. but I don't think Bobby uh would put. those kind of people in his cabinet I. don't think he would uh you know give. power to those kind of people and you. know like like I've talked to him um you.

know as frustrating as some of the. alphabet uh gangs or organizations are. there's a lot of great people in them. there's great people in the CIA there's. great people in the FBI there's great. people in the CDC and The Who and and. the FDA who really care like and and. think they're making a difference but. there's a Top Line in a lot of those. organizations that are actually at their. core anti-American and are not doing. things that's in the best interest of. our people and we're [ __ ] paying. I know it's on our dime and all the. stuff that's happened post 9911 you know.

with the Patriot Act and the fisa court. uh as far as the surveillance. domestically and spying and the fact. that they're not actually un you know. unearthing these like domestic terrorist. plots you know there's there's a you. know a lot of great documentaries and. stuff you can you can look into that the. fact that our food and water is not at. an acceptable level the fact that our. border is not at the right level the. fact that some of the stuff that with. ATF um you know with some of those they. were tracking these guns that went to.

the cartel and they were being used to. kill border agents and all these. different [ __ ] that's gone on that again. I'm not saying that those all those. organizations are super corrupt there's. a lot of [ __ ] great men and women. that work for those but there's some. people at the top who aren't great. people and that's what needs to change. and I think Bobby would go in there and. change a lot of that stuff and that's. what his uncle and his father were. trying to do if you know that history of. how how'd that turn out well yeah that's. what happens with some of these.

companies and that's why I love Bobby. and and you because you're willing to. stand up knowing that uh it doesn't. always end well for for people going up. this a guy whose uncle and dad were. murdered in the course of their jobs as. elected officials well look at the. history of Alan dullas right yeah if you. know his history he was in banking for. the for the Bush family then he got to. the OSS which is the precursor to the. CIA yes and he was probably a part of um.

operation paper clip which repatriated a. lot of the German scientists yes um. which there's some ethical issues with. that uh he tried to get us into World. War III in Cuba uh operation. Northwoods um and the majority of JFK's. actually close to advisors I believe. they voted and the majority said uh. let's do it and let's blow up this ship. and let's get us into World War II uh. and let's go after Cuba and JFK said.

nope ain't doing it fired. Allen um and then Alan dallis winds up. where as basically one of the main guys. in the in the Warren Commission chief. justice Warren was I believe only at. nine of the 30 some odd uh meetings that. they had but the two guys that were. really in control of it for one I've. read are Alan dallis former fired head. of the CIA who end up getting his job. back and there's a Airport named after. him and Gerald Ford future president who.

was at the time number two at the FBI an. FBI led by Jer Hoover who hated the. kennedies so given that all of that. happened it's a little weird that the B. Administration won't give Bobby Kennedy. Secret Service protection yeah and he's. known Joe forever like they they were. friendly for a long long time it wasn't. like it's he's some Outsider like he's. been around the political game for a. long time and he's the only major. candidate who's not gotten uh Secret.

Service protection they're also limiting. and and skewing I believe some of the. polls to try and not just keep him out. of a debate but keep him uh out of. Secret Service protection he's spending. millions of his own dollars on private. security um which he has to because he's. a threat because he's not you know. bought and paid for um and you know he's. a foil to the two-party system but I. don't know if you saw this but Bobby. recently came out and said uh in the.

summer months at some point he wants to. do a 50st state poll with like 20,000 I. don't know what the exact number is. votes in each of these states and. whoever polls lower between him and Joe. Biden has to drop out of the race. because in his own analytics he's found. out that if the three of them. run uh Trump is most likely to win if he. goes against Trump he wins if he goes. against Biden he wins if Biden goes. against Trump trump.

wins so in fact the so he said Hey. listen I'll drop out if you pull higher. than me in these 50. states um but if I pull higher than you. you're. out there's no way he'll go for that but. I think it's a brilliant a brilliant. model to be like no no I'm not the foil. Bobby's not the foil right Bobby's a. main player in this and it going through. this process and just like entertaining. it for a small time to learn about the.

corruption with getting on a ballot is. that's [ __ ] wild 50 states with 50. different ways of doing it for the most. part uh you know you can have your. signatures thrown out if you have the. wrong color ink on one of 50,000. signatures uh some states you file with. the Secretary of State some says to the. governor's office some it's just it's so. ridiculous the whole process which is. just set up for a two-party system right. and then who knows about the you know.

the safety and legitimacy of of this. whole thing well it's a lot harder to. get on the ballot than it is for say a. non-citizen to vote yeah or a dead. person or a dead. person uh a lot of those so you made. reference a couple of times to the food. supply and you said I don't know about. you know I'm not an expert on vaccines. but I am an expert on food what do you. well I'm not an expert on food well but. I mean it's your job yeah I mean I care. I care a lot about what goes in my body. you have to right so what have you learn.

so for people who aren't paying as close. attention um to what they eat what where. do you think the the bad like what's the. bad. food well a lot of it's in the wording. of it I mean fat is a bad term but fat. is really good for you um cholesterol is. and also a real negative stuff but yeah. yeah but you need cholesterol because. it's good for your brain uh those. there's some bad types of it and some. like [ __ ] that you can eat that doesn't. help your that kind of skews your levels.

but sugar terrible for you anything. processed sugar like fuels cancer cells. so eliminating sugars processed foods. but if you were to start with one it' be. getting rid of sugar yeah definitely and. then fasting fasting is incredible for. your body it resets your body I do at. least a 5day fast every single offseason. just kind of Kickstart the offseason. what's that like it's it's a fun process. it's hard but after you get past 3 days. you have this evolutionary uh impulse.

that kicks in uh and you feel amazing. actually I got to the fifth day this. year I was like man if I wasn't going on. this trip and and I would do 10 days I. felt incredible yeah and it just resets. your body and actually there's a lot of. great research Dana White was talking. about it recently um that uh you know he. did kind of before and after testing and. there's there's a lot of t uh studies. now that talk about the uh. the percentage of uh goes way down of of. heart disease heart attack based on.

fasting um cancer obviously has a really. hard time when you uh when you fast or. when you uh at least fast from. sugar um and that's kind of my problem. with the whole uh you know the cancer. industrial complex is that there's very. little uh people treating cancer that uh. that kind of start a base level of diet. um and and I'm not saying that all. treatments are terrible there's a lot of. you know people doing really great work.

and and and caring for patients but diet. should be the first thing that you look. at um especially sugar you know I had a. weird experience I was at the uh. Hospital years ago seeing a friend and. coach of mine who had had a heart. issue and you know I'd got there he'd. gotten two stance put in and he's. drinking a Coke and eating pudding and. I'm like what the [ __ ] are you doing. what are you doing and that's that's. part of the problem is is is we're not.

using food as medicine you know we well. Sugar's also someone who has quit. smoking and drinking and drugs I can say. way more addictive than it's a. drug it's addicting like. actually yeah but then every single day. there's stuff that that's finally coming. out like I was just reading some there's. four you know four it was like. Oreos uh um Lucky Charms something else. and Gatorade you know has been exposed.

as having like uh forever chemicals in. them so there's finally people getting. some of the message out and. forcing uh you know these companies to. change but the best way to vote in. general uh is with your money and I. really believe that obviously you know. love that if Bobby would win and we'll. definitely vote for him um and voting on. a local level is really important. especially for your local you know Das. and sheriffs and different things is. super important but like voting with our.

dollar is really important and companies. that that are involved in um you know. Shady practices um unethical practices. uh foods that uh have poison in them uh. and they know it don't know bu them and. they'll change they'll change just like. with the government if you don't you. know don't follow their ridiculous uh. Draconian rules they're going to change. so it sounds like. protein is the answer yeah protein fat I.

mean that's H but it's not everybody has. a little different so a little different. body a little different Constitution so. um you know you but I think on a base. level fasting is good now a lot of the. uh intermittent fasting data uh for. women was postmenopausal women um I will. I definitely know that so like fasting. intermittent fasting for like um women. still minrating I don't know that's. great for health but um I do think. fasting in general is a good reset for.

your body um how hard are the first. three days. hard but it it changes your relationship. with food now we're not living to eat. we're eating to live I think that's a an. important uh distinction so you feel. laded or jumpy or a little bit it. depends on how much sugar you've eaten. if like you can get the the sugar blues. and the sugar uh the depression there if. you if you if you're coming off eating a. ton of sugar for sure but I don't eat a. lot of sugar so um it was it was fairly.

easy for me but I do all the time too I. think it's like just start with 24 hours. just start with 24 hours and just drink. water or bone broth um as a good reset. and then if you can get to three days. that's great get to five that's. incredible the research says five and. and up has like the greatest benefits. but it's a good reset for your system um. you look better in the mirror um and. you'll uh your body just starts function. a little bit little bit High out while.

you're fasting MH yeah is that hard yeah. it's lighter workouts when I'm my my. fast but because I need some energy to. work out but uh what's the longest. you've gone fasting y. seven what was that like awesome pass. three is like amazing I think it goes. back to like the Hun gatherer where you. you haven't had food in a few days and. you get this [ __ ] energy jolt from. system to go find food and after 3. days I feel amazing I don't even need.

food and then you just ease back into. some stuff on day eight uh you know but. but I love it I did some aric stuff as. well um like a 30-day aric uh diet and. that was incredible for my system what. is that it's just eating. uh uh and and doing um. kind of a a full body flush reset like. they do in the in India it's their kind.

of way of doing medicine and man that. reset my entire system I lost uh I lost. weight my um uh my stomach lining. changed for sure I went in being. allergic to a lot of things and. having like irritable bowel syndrome I. came out those 30 days with like uh no. allergies no uh indigestion no irritable. bowel stuff and it just like flipped and. that was what were you eating for 30. days on this just mostly arotic stuff so. rice.

lentils um there's no meat and I love. you know meat and protein but um be just. a lot of uh lentils and rice and uh and. vegetables what what's a. Darkness f is it a fat like retreat yeah. Retreat well you're just in a room about. uh I don't know a third of this size. probably with a little bathroom back tub. and uh can't see [ __ ] like nothing. nothing can't see anything you start.

hallucinating like I did five nights. four days you start hallucinating like. on the third day because your brain. starts the DMT starts getting activated. is it hard to text in that environment. yeah very hard no so you're actually in. total darkness total darkness no concept. for what time it is especially after the. first couple days cuz you sleep so much. the first night after that you don't. need to sleep hardly at all cuz you you. have no stimulation for your eyes so. you're not really tired you just kind of. laying there uh or moving around I was.

like you know did yoga did long. meditation set in the bath for a couple. hours it seemed like I don't know time. was irrelevant but uh a lot of great. contemplation the bath so you like. feeling your way to the back oh yeah and. a lot of times you start hallucinating. and seeing different shapes and doorways. and stuff and you just run in and stuff. all the time and um it's a it's a quite. process scarier than any drug I can't I. think I would be afraid to do that yeah. I am I'm glad I did it I don't need to.

do it again it's not like something I. need to can't wait to do another. Darkness Retreat it's like no I did that. check that box that was cool not going. to do it again what did you think about. uh I I started each day with a. meditation and just said what do I want. to contemplate today so contemplated um. you know relationships family and then. two days was uh one was I'm retired and. one was I'm playing and so I went. through all the insecurities around.

retirement and then um all the uh fears. around playing again and just really. spent hours just like thinking through. things and anytime a negative thought. would come in just being curious about. it and uh wondering where that comes. from uh if there's a root of that is. there something from childhood that is. involved in that fear insecurity and it. was really uh really amazing for me just. the the healing that happened and I came. out really feeling comfortable either.

way like not scared of retirement not. scared of of slipping into irrelevance I. actually welcome that uh not uh not. worried about what the future looks like. if I don't play for the Packers anymore. and I'm on a new team um and new guys. new city so I was really really. meaningful I'm really glad I did that um. again don't need to maybe do five days. four nights but uh it was a good. experience have you done anything like. that no I've spent my whole life running.

away from stuff like. that. um but nobody even like can take a few. minutes to get off their phone you know. you probably are better than most oh I. definitely am no I take a sauna every. day for 20 minutes in silence and but do. you watch TV no we don't have a TV yeah. have a TV that's a good way I like. silence I don't like noise I don't. actually watch any video at all ever and. um but to be without in total darkness. for five.

nights you know I don't know what would. happen were you afraid at all no but the. weirdest thing was night one I had a bad. dream like a nightmare and when. you're uh normally when you're at home. you have like a weird dream something's. off maybe you see a feel an entity or. just something's freaking you out what. do you do you kind of wake up Orient. yourself okay I'm on my bed I'm fine. here's this maybe I get up out of my bed. do something okay I'm okay and then you. kind of are able to ually get back to.

sleep but in the darkness what you see. eyes closed is what you see eyes open so. there was no escaping the uh you wake up. at 3:00 a.m. you got to take a leak how. long take you to get to the John um five. minutes for real yeah CU you just like. here's one step here's one step and. you're super disoriented just going. really slow now feeling around feeling. around feeling around boom boom boom. boom okay there's this should be here. banging and something yeah this should.

be over here okay there boom then here's. a tiny little door okay get in okay now. I got you know but I mean in the you. just you're you know not really wearing. clothes for the most part just cuz you. don't need to use in complete darkness. what's dinner like well the food was. actually pretty good so once a day the. food came at 6:00 there was like a. double-sided door so he'd put the food. in one side close it then I'd open so. there's no light and you just like use. your scent like smell be like oh that's. that's soup I'm having that for dinner. oh here's it was the food for the next. day too so okay there's some apples I'm.

have that for breakfast oh here's some. uh some mixed nuts I'm going to have. that for lunch as a snack oh here's what. is this oh this is some sort of like. pasta okay I'm going to have that for. lunch tomorrow it's like so you kind. going through it and you just like you. have all the time in the world so you. just like savor every bite and just eat. super slow and it's actually very. meditative that part was cool I I've. done a lot of luic drugs not in many. years but I have when I was a child and.

um you know no matter how weird it gets. you feel like well it's the drug you. know but when there's total silence and. darkness are you worried that you're. going to something's going to rise up. from within you and scare the crap out. of you not really because I before that. I had done you know iasa multiple times. I'd done siloc cybin Journeys um so I. had I figured out what was like to. surrender to a process or a ceremony so. I kind of treated that the same way and. just said you know what whatever comes.

up is what's supposed to come up like we. say in doing a like the medicine will. give you exactly what you need so I kind. of took that attitude into the darkness. and said whatever comes up is what I. need in this moment so I'm just going to. surrender to it and it's like it's weird. I'm not on my phone there's no. distractions there's really no sound. like every now then like in the. afternoon a plane would fly by above and. I was like okay it must be afternoon. you know and then at 6:00 you knew it. was 6:00 cuz the dinner would come. that's the only reference for time that. you knew but I just surrendered to the.

process and said I'm here for a reason. I've paid for this so I might as well. enjoy this experience and I did it was. fun did you feel like a medieval. prisoner locked in you weren D I could. leave at any time I wanted so the door. was open so if I want to leave did. anyone else make it five nights yeah a. lot of people and somebody was coming. out actually when I was going in who had. been in 30 30 nights I could not believe. that because I don't I wouldn't want to. do that I mean like I think a 48 hour.

reset would be interesting but even five. days four nights was like okay that's. enough you know last how did the person. look I mean I didn't see them but I. heard they were a little bit. depressed which I can I can imagine are. you. kidding yeah I heard your story on uh on. Rogan though like you definitely dabbled. a little bit in in some psychedelics did. you oh a lot was there ever any like. real major breakthroughs that like stuck. with you or was a lot of just like.

tripping I me and going to going to De. 15 years old you know it's a different. country um and you know it just it's so. so long ago and far away it's hard to. believe it's real but um yeah for sure I. mean we but that was like in the 70s. right ' 80s yeah mid 80s and I just grew. up in a world where drugs certain drugs. were much more um accepted than they are. now I'm not saying that's good. but um at all but uh you know different. time but yeah no I did I've done a lot. of that and I decided I mean a long time.

ago you know I haven't had an Advil in. 22 years I I'm I'm I'm the soberest man. you'll ever meet but. um I was afraid I mean one thing I. learned was there's a lot of stuff. swirling around inside you and that's. why the darkness Retreat really struck. me because that would you know that. stuff would rise right to the surface. and I'm not you know comfortable being. in touch with all of that some of it is. chaotic and scary and it's not clear how.

much of it is from within and how much. of it is from without you know I didn't. really believe in the Unseen World when. I was doing stuff like that uh so I. didn't really consider it but I yeah I. saw some very scary things and I was. like don't want to do that again you. know what I mean so actually I didn't. get much out of it and I remember once. um while taking LSD I when I was 15 I. you know I was just too young to be. doing that anyway but I remember writing.

down like my profound thoughts uh as I. was in the middle of this very very far. out experience and they didn't make any. sense in fact I found them in my barn in. this building. upstairs like I need to see generations. of family stuff stored um a couple. summers ago when I was like I got to go. through these. boxes you know various Diaries from. deceased and including my my acid uh. Memoirs which were really benal and.

fragmentary like what does this even. mean you know I think I threw them away. I want my kids seeing that but um no I. didn't have any breakthroughs I'll tell. you the Breakthrough for me was sobriety. just because I partied too much so. having to face things without a crutch I. felt really and admit you know you're I. think all growth and joy begins with. admitting who you really are being. honest about. yourself yeah I agree but I Darkness. Retreat would may be too much honesty.

for me no you never know so you said you. thought about what your life would be. like if you kept playing once another. team or if you. retired I mean at some point you're. going to retire right what what are you. going to. do I'm going to take a few deep breaths. relax a little bit I think um I've been. doing this for 25. years uh playing football uh 20 this.

year in the NFL um I've been mildly. famous uh for the last uh you know 20 or. so 21 I guess um you know I'd like to to. just take a step back and. just you know enjoy life in a different. way I'd like to be a father at some. point and take on that uh that chapter. in life um which is exciting to me but. uh how hard is it to date when you're as.

famous as you are oh it's it can be hard. yeah it can be hard for sure but I think. in general um you know you become a. pretty good judge of character over the. years when you yeah make mistakes and. Trust the wrong people and whether it's. business or personal life um you know. you can sniff some things out pretty. quickly I think but you never know and. and you know you you met your soulmate. When You're 15 right yeah um the most. beautiful thing about that uh which is.

the hardest thing about relationships in. general that I've seen with my friends. is how do you grow together that's you. know because you're a different person. 15 20 25 30 55 you know but finding. someone who's willing to like grow with. you and be in what you're into and that. you have your own separate life which is. beautiful and big and full and then you. can come together and not having to find. you like full identity in that other. person I think is really important so. you know it's just trying to to do all. those things I've really just been. trying to work on myself and and and.

ready myself uh because I've you know. been way too codependent in. relationships in the past where I kind. of lost myself to like hold on to this. idea of what I think a relationship is. and it's just not it hasn't been. sustainable for me um but I'm I'm. confident that there'll be there'll be a. time when that uh when that comes comes. together and until then I'll just uh. just be enjoying myself since you spent. the majority of your life famous at this. point what do you what do you think of. that what do you think of being famous.

it has its pluses for sure um it's not. ever anything I signed up for I just. love to play football Y and my fame grew. really around the same time we won the. Super Bowl and then I did the State Farm. commercial and I it's actually true it's. like it's funny but it's true like uh I. became the State Farm guy at the same. time time I became a Super Bowl champion. and an MVP ultimately um and my life. from 2011 on just really took a whole.

different change before that I was uh. recognizable I would say after that I. was famous yeah and I was like the. famous football player also adman pitch. guy for stay Farm um so more people knew. me and I love my privacy and that got. totally kind of taken away so there so I. went through I don't know if you felt. like this but I've definitely gone. through phases of being a recluse for. sure I just don't want to go out don't. want to see anybody um and I don't. really like that I mean I am introverted. in general but I I love people I love.

like my routine and I felt like I got so. just scared of not having my privacy or. just like annoyed that I just stopped. doing things that I enjoy doing and I. just didn't really like doing that so. now I do exactly what I want to do when. I want to do it and and try and have a. little bit of sense of humor with with. some of the reactions that come uh from. people or situations where I can't just. have privacy and just find a little more. humor in it it seems to transmute some. of the frustration and fear into into. joy in those moments what about you I.

mean youve oh I could write a book on it. yeah I'm not into it at all but yeah you. can definitely become a recluse for sure. some people though in your business and. my business I'm kind of signed up for it. that's what they want yeah those are the. saddest of all people you want to be. famous you want to be loved by people. who've never met you it's like kids. these days are saying what do you want. to be when you grow up it's not a. fireman or athlete or something it's. famous or an. influencer well to influence people I. think is a great honor and um but that's.

not what they're talking and can be a. joy right but to be well known is no of. course it's a nightmare there's no. upside whatsoever and if you find that. important then you're a hollow said. person it's like what do you what is you. know but who I mean one thing I noticed. about famous people I've always noticed. as having spent a lot of time around. them for the last 30 years is they all. know each other you ever noticed that. yes yeah there's a knowing I think you. you kind of know what the other what. that person's going through so there's a.

a base level of like oh we kind of know. how to navigate this life in a similar. fashion so there's like that uh there's. that um just closeness I think that. comes with initial meeting of like oh we. probably have similar experiences so. there's like that connection um kind of. off the bat uh with that um I mean I'm. sure you feel feel that in yeah I have a. big family so that really helps um so. yeah I don't have that many famous.

friends but some but I I don't know I. was looking at your board over here well. I've had a lot of lot of people in this. Barn um but when you're going through. like for example when you tested. positive for RONA and and then you. admitted that you were part of the. despised unvaxxed you were a criminal um. immunized IM immunized and the world. just like comes down on your head Y and. your agent I don't know if your sponsors. are calling you maybe yes they are yeah.

of course they are right and I'm sure. the league is calling you and you're. just under. bombardment do who do you talk to about. is there do you have people in your life. who can Buck you up you have a great. support system um I think it the last. couple years and I'm sure you feel the. same way but the last 10 years but every. year it seems to get even smaller but. the circle kind of constricts a little. bit and there's just there's less people. who know exactly what's going on and. there's just a really tight-knit group.

of the inside of the inside and there's. a beautiful group outside of that who. you love and you talk to and you spend. some time with but they don't know. everything and and and they don't get to. because there's just certain things. that's only meant for a really small. group of people and I love that and so. those people are my mycks and they're. not yes people they're people that can. tell me exactly what's going on and what. I need to hear not what I want to here. um but there's a really small group of. you keep the ass kissers out of your. life yeah there's a lot of them oh I.

know yeah they want to be involved would. you rather be attacked to your face or. flattered to your. face probably. flattered you're an honest man oh you. know attacked it's like you know because. you we were talking about this last. night about you know like we can be in. situations where you you can't just have. a normal conversation with somebody who. disagree with you right they a lot of. times it's that person's filming it or. somebody else's filming it or they're.

shitalking to you and they want to get a. reaction out of you so those you know I. don't shy away from those and I don't. those don't like get under my skin. actually I find those comical but I much. get that like when at dinner when you go. out to restaurants um no not really I. think most people that that uh I do say. this like and I feel confident in this. like the majority of people that want to. censor me cancel me shame me [ __ ] talk. me if they got to know me I think would.

have a different opinion of me and I. hear this from a from actually a lot of. people were like man you're just so much. different than I thought what do they. think you're like well they they get to. the image from mainstream Media or from. two disgruntled teammates that I'm some. sort of like overly arrogant. narcissistic prick and then when you get. to know me it's like oh you're not. really any of those things um that. you've been painted as because you have. to have a villain and you're the villain. now because you stood up to the. government and you're not you know.

bought and paid for and beholden to all. these other you know things and and. you're not quiet about your beliefs um. so I think that's usually the common uh. perception and then the common reaction. I hear from a lot of people people who. don't even actually agree with me um or. who thought about me a lot of times a. certain way uh often will say man I. really enjoyed this time together this. in or this conversation and and you're. different than I thought I'm always like. thanks I guess low expectations you know.

High deliverables I thought you were an. [ __ ] yeah by the way I'm sorry I. totally forgot this our producers put. all the stuff I haven't even looked at. any of it they found this which just. amused the hell out of me remember how. they were saying ior mechon was horse. dewormer mhm I'm pretty sure I took ior. horse paste horse paste this actually is. it's durcon icon paste for oral use in. horses only though it does look like. rectal use nice that's the ion dispenser.

I love that I love. that I'm going to keep that on the bar. right behind you just to see if let's. see the little shadow box there's get a. little box for it to put up on the wall. that'd be awesome so what do your. teammates think of all this stuff most. of all most of them are really. interested you know we they're. um I try and uh share a lot of my. experiences especially my failures as a. young player cuz I want to help these. guys not make the same mistakes so. whether it's failure in in uh hiring the.

wrong manager agent or financial people. or just not be involved in my business. as a young person or uh some of these. guys you know involve a lot of family. members to handle like really important. parts of their jobs or just like sharing. my experiences with those guys is. important don't hire your drunk cousin. yeah like you know maybe keep family and. business separate as much as you can. unless you know your family member is. like a certified you know accountant or. something lawyer or something something. you trust them like I think it's always. best to kind of you know keep some. distance between friendship and business. too it's always can get a little bit.

dicey at times I made that many mistakes. doing that and try and share those. experiences with them my life you know. publicly the things I talk about more. now as we're shifting you know four. years from um you know three years I. guess from covid uh is more around Plant. medicine so they're very interested in. that interested in iasa and cybin and. and the effects and the fears and they. have a lot of the same fears that most. people have around a bad trip a bad. Journey a bad um time and so it's fun to.

have those conversations many people. reached out wanting to set up their own. Journeys their own trips just learn more. about it um you know I'm a Avid Reader. as well so there are people you know. checking me about you know books to to. read and recommend and so I love doing. that with some of my teammates and so I. might start them with the Alchemist. start with that one and maybe send them. to a crack hour book or send them to a. self-help book or something or maybe a. book about medicine but um yeah I just. we joked there was a group of us in the. corner of the locker room that we kind.

of called The Brain Trust so we'd the. four of us start talking you'd see like. somebody come pull the chair up and. another guy would come over and pull it. you know like next you know there like. 10 guys just kind of listen to what. we're talking about and guys are eager. to learn um people from all different. types of backgrounds and walks of life. and um that's a lot of fun you I think. to be relatable to those guys you got to. First share your failures you know share. for sure share you know the things you. wish you'd done differently and and it's. like I would guess it's like a parent. where you don't want to save them from. everything but but you like to stop them.

from making you know big mistakes that. could really affect their life uh down. the road some some lessons they got to. learn on their own but there's some. things that I've [ __ ] up on that I'd. love to share with the guys so they. don't make the same mistakes that I did. are you going to miss it yeah for sure I. missed the guys like going to Derby last. weekend the best part and with all. respect to the horses and Churchill Down. and a lot of stuff the real point of the. trip is is the the camaraderie with the. guys and that's most guys I played with. and a lot of guys I only see maybe once.

or twice a year and this is kind of one. of those events and like we just share. stories and laugh about the same stuff. and catch up on family and kids and and. injuries and body and health and the. newest hacks that they're working on one. of our guys you know who was my center. for a long time Corey and he played at. like 305 lbs now he weighs 235 so like. seeing him healthy is awesome and. talking to him about his life he's got. four kids now and a beautiful wife and. you that's the fun part it's just seeing. these guys once or twice a year and just.

like keeping that close bond is it weird. to be the last guy standing it is weird. I mean you're the last guy from your. year right I'm the last guy from my year. I'm the last guy in that group uh that's. uh the big group that's playing Devonte. Adams was with us and Devonte is still. playing as going to his 10th season but. but yeah like all the guys I came in the. league are gone I you know like long. gone long gone but I and I transcend a. lot of stuff like we had dinner Saturday. night and a few of uh some young guys. came over and one of the guys was Ray.

Lewis's son and to tell a kid who's not. a kid he's in his 20s like I played. against your dad that feels kind of. weird yeah that is weird yeah it's crazy. what's the truth about. [Music]. CTE the truth is our sport is dangerous. well yeah yeah the truth that our sport. is dangerous um the truth is that uh. there's minor brain injuries that happen. every single game I would assume there's. collisions it's a collision Sport and I.

think it's important that we really pay. attention to uh how our bodies are. responding the league is uh in the. agreement with the players has gotten. better every single collective. bargaining agreement which I think I've. been a part of three now where uh. they've done a better job of taking care. of older players but back in the day. even when I was a young player you get. dinged in the head hey just let it clear. where you see stars oh that's fine like. Favre he talked about all the. concussions that he he's had he would. never come out he was just like oh you.

got dang to seeing Stars that's fine. just like let it pass and go back in. there have some more Gatorade yeah yeah. have some. G about that um but I think we're doing. a better job of uh of safety and the you. know equipment's better the helmets are. better the diagnosis are better um are. people worried about it do you think. younger players I don't think uh I don't. think think so not not not many of them. I think more people are worried about uh. their own health and some of the uh you.

know meds that are given out like there. was a med problem in the league for a. while guys used to get it was easy to. get vikins perco setes that kind of. stuff um then there was an issue at one. of the teams and they kind of changed. the policy which is better now but um. that was an issue I think uh some of the. addiction to some of that stuff that uh. I some of my teammates had um Do You. Remember remember that oh time yeah I. remember a teammate of mine who was so. addicted uh to Percocet that he had to. be put under anesthesia to have his um.

surgically repaired knee uh. moved that was wild and that was a that. was not abnormal there were a lot of. people that were why cuz it it DED his. yes his pain to yeah it's just like he. had to you know he had to give So Many. Meds to like be able to to be moved it. was wild did he recover not. really I mean he has he since has now. and he's and he's doing he's doing.

really good he's been sober for a while. but um but that's an issue there's a. there's a there's a really bad stat that. that uh they used to it was a scare. tactic but it's true back in the day it. said that within three years 75% of NFL. players uh uh three years post. retirement will be broke uh divorced or. unemployed um and a lot of times it's. multiple of of those three and I see it. a lot because you're living this life. you're making a ton of money uh that. money train dries up uh you maybe don't.

have a ton of life skills or haven't. spent time in the league like planning. for your postc career stuff or don't. have the money to just like Coast uh. like I could and some of the people play. a long time could and then you know. there's there's marital issues that uh. um you know that that happen Al you know. and it's a very sad statistic um the. league you know tries to do some things. to kind of promote uh second career. stuff and financial literacy but um a. lot of it's on the guys to learn on. their own and if you don't have the.

right people advising you it's you know. I've seen a lot of my former friends you. go through some uh some crisis in their. 20s because the average C is three years. now you're you know you're 26 27 you're. have no job you may or may not have. graduated from college but who knows how. many people actually lose use the degree. now anyway from college I mean college. is ridiculous it's you know but you have. no skills other than the game Y and now. they're trying to figure out what to do. um so it's pretty and and they got.

married to the wrong person along the. way possibly yeah or just like you know. 50% of marriages at this point or more. in in divorce anyway so um when the you. know who knows I mean there's I'm not. blaming not wife shaming here there's no. no I get it I get it but I mean it's. again back to the fame question if a. woman is coming at you because you're. famous that's not a good basis for a. marriage no no it's not and you know.

there's there's some guys who um you. know haven't uh you know have made some. rough decisions too with having kids of. multiple women and um you know some of. those were bad decisions by the men some. of those are women you know who you know. saw a millionaire football player and. yeah want to you know be taken care of. for a while both of those are true um so. sometimes that is something you take. with you in the game where now you have.

a couple you know kids out there that. you're taking care of for many years and. you don't have the same type of money. coming in so now there's Financial. issues with some of the you know child. support that you should and and do pay. um so guys there's a lot of mistakes. that are made and some you can Rectify. and get through and some you know make. make life a little more difficult if. you're not able to play like me 20 years. and and. you know don't have any Financial issues. or any kid issues or any stuff like that. you said um that you started to realize.

that a lot of what we take for granted. is actually untrue and and some of this. by this I mean our civilization is built. on lies yep you started to figure that. out in high school what do you think but. but you also said you're in favor of. just disclosing like the government. should tell everything it knows if it. did. that if if we actually learned the truth. about everything various Wars that we've.

had assassinations that we've had our. economy like what would happen the. government thinks things would fall. apart people would just be so. overwhelmed and so disgusted that they. wouldn't believe in the government they. would I don't know become nihilists or. something like what do you think would. happen if we actually knew the truth. about everything well I don't think. that's the worst thing I. mean if you if you're making decisions. based on. what's the worst that could happen in. this case. um I think there'd be a ton of people.

actually connecting and finding common. ground because to be a common. enemy you know the enemy of of my enemy. is my friend that's right right and I. think it'd be fascinating to watch the. structures we put so much trust. in just crumble and I think a lot of. that needs to happen whether that's in. one disclosure one Fell Swoop or over. the years um it is kind of wild though. that we still can't release the JFK. files and we're that happened in 1963.

we're 60 what 61 years this November. yeah um fiser tried to release their. files in 75 years initially that's what. they asked you know they're they're. they're testing stuff 75 years they. wanted um disclosure on the UFO stuff. was supposed to happen many times right. Trump most recently last year Trump. suppos he saw it and then decide not to. release it right or was that the JFK. stuff he was talking about both both. yeah and Biden everything's gotten.

pushed back um I don't know I think in. order for us to to advance as a society. there has to be in this age of Aquarius. there has to be disclosure I mean for. you you had to be privy living in. Washington Working you know for Fox. being the top guy there stuff that not. everybody knows and you probably know. more than the the common person but how. much did you encounter you know get. specific is stuff that you don't think. the American public could handle that.

you know or that you. believe um I mean I agree with you 100%. And I thought that was so nicely put and. so smart that if you knew the truth your. belief in lies of course would evaporate. you'd no longer believe the liars and. that's not a bad thing but that you. would be United much more than we are. now with your fellow Americans and I. think that's a really that's a wonderful. way to look at it I think that's. absolutely right yeah I said Enemy of My. Enemy but it's like I'm not enemies with.

uh you know a Democrat or Republican I'm. not enemies with somebody that has a. different skin color totally get it I. think of that about race all put us. against each other of course they want. to divide us I you know if you watch the. media I I thought of this a couple years. ago they're always calling me racist. white supremacist when never bother me. that much cuz I'm not you know you're. Putin apologist Putin apologist just I. didn't care at all about that but I. didn't really want to be called a racist. because that's awful you know it's awful. to be a racist so um but then it stopped.

bothering me but I was left with the. feeling man there's a lot of racial. tension in this country and there's. clearly some but I got to tell you in. the last I don't know 10 years I've. never I've not had one black person. confront me about being a racist not one. not a single time and I've also not. heard people like angry about race in my. personal life maybe it's just me I think. there's a lot less race hate than we're. told there is much less I think most. people kind of get along with each other. actually in this country I believe that.

and it's very clear to me that they're. doing this on purpose the people in. charge in order to keep us divided and. angry and confused so I agree with you. um that disclosure would have that. effect in my specific case I feel like. I've learned probably too much about a. couple of topics. Because by the way there's something. things that I can't prove that I believe. to be true so I don't repeat them um but. you know the uip stuff I some of it is.

really distressing to me what I believe. to be true but I I can't prove it but um. as I've said before I think it's. spiritual I think some of these things. are dark. anti-human um probably some aren't but. you know I do you think because there's. there's potential anti-human uh. properties that there's actually Pro. human Supernatural Well I think God's I. think God's real for sure and as you. know evil flourishes you also.

see it's it's obverse you see good at. work you see God at work I do in my life. all the time in a way that I didn't say. five years ago I wasn't thinking like. that at all a very secular person who. grew up in a very secular World unlike. you I did not grow up in any. recognizable church at all and so um I. had none of those assumptions. but no I I think it's uh you know in bad. times like this one there are miraculous.

and heartening moments and I like see. that all the. time if we learned everything that the. government is hiding from us what would. you be most interested in learning about. well I mean gfk for sure yeah I want I. want to see those files because that's. what got me into it but. um I think the UAP thing would you be. shocked to learn that Jeffrey Epstein. didn't kill himself. no I mean how many how many Jeffrey. Epstein type people are out there well.

that's right that's the real question. you mean people who've been killed. who've been killed or people who are. using sex as a blackmail tool that Y and. then who's pulling the strings on. that any. guesses what galain Maxwell has a lot of. ties to the Mad yep that would make. sense I mean Jeff didn't seem to get. some of the appointments he was given in. the in prominence based on Merit. somebody was putting them in the right.

spots um but I don't think he's the only. one I think there's I think there's a a. problem a weird bizarre problem really. that has a weird sex component to it um. with some of the elites and there's a. pedophile component to it as well which. is which is really sick and there's you. know some prominent. figures uh you know who are in the. spotlight as of as of late.

um I just I would like that to be to be. exposed but Jeffrey Epstein had the. goods on everybody there were a lot of. people that didn't want him to be alive. and then the whole you know wild story. around you know multiple people being. sleep and you know him not being watched. at the time is real convenient and I. just don't believe in that many. coincidences no no no was he was. murdered in in Federal Detention in. Manhattan I don't think there's any. question about that and people lied. about it including the the then Attorney.

General of the United States I think. there's some weird uh correlations. between the and and anomalies that you. know the Johnny Depp trial had eyes on. it crazy coverage and the glain Maxwell. trial had next to no coverage no TV. coverage no common no nightly commentary. about it no traffic to nobody I mean. they literally got she is indicted for. trafficking kids and nobody who she was. trafficking kids to got indicted or.

named yeah and and all the files that. are out there haven't still haven't been. released we have one testimony from one. uh victim that's all we have when that. came out it just L like one victim and. there's. hundreds of just in that little who flew. on the Lolita Express and there's a lot. of super prominent names. who are on the flight. logs what What's the sex thing.

about uh I mean you've been in famous. guy world for a long time and you're. from like me you're from California so. obviously you've been around well-known. cultural figures um the elites have you. how long have you thought this that that. sex plays a. role well not not that long I mean I've. just kind of. uh you know I've seen some interesting. things I bet you have um been around. some interesting parties and Gatherings.

that are strange um not anything like. what it sounds like uh you know a diddy. party um but just even at you know an. Oscar party just seeing how some of. these people act was always very a. little bit strange I just never. resonated with it it was almost like. interesting people watching but there. always seemed like there was parties. with within the party people kind of. doing their own thing um that always. kind of weird me out a little bit but uh.

but getting into conspiracy stuff then. you know about secret society stuff and. like stuff like the Bohemian Grove yes. and you know what Nixon said about the. bean Grove and what did he say he well. you have to go look at his quote his. quote is not exactly uh you know there's. some they're all gay right something. like that that's basically what he said. yeah um and the secrecy around that and. there's that's not the only secret. society there's a lot of really. interesting secret societies not just. like the skull and bones at Yale which.

has produced all those presidents and in. the you know Freemasonry at its highest. level and um there is a sexual component. I think to a lot of that. um obviously with Epstein it was. blackmail to get them to do what they. want I mean how many people are. compromised by that that are in. positions of power today yeah I think. you're naive to think it's none and you. said it on the podcast with Joe the. scary part for those people is that um.

and for us you know is they could you. know put some on your computer to cancel. you they could set you up for something. oh of course thankfully me I've I don't. watch porn uh you know I've never been. uh into any weird kinky stuff. um so it'd be really uh you know and I'm. taking could be pretty unwise for a. prominent person to get into online porn. cuz all that stuff is monitored I mean. what yeah but I think a lot of those.

people probably are you'd have to be an. idiot there's a there's a camera on your. phone and your iPad in your. laptop yeah yeah but I mean didn't. um you know again there weird anomalies. with everything but the you know it it. gets used all the time. right like stuff like that gets used all. the time to silence people to quiet. people now whether that's legitimate or. not if it's legitimate that's [ __ ]. sick and gross and no people should be.

if it's illegitimate it's not real and. it's been planted like that's [ __ ]. shitty [ __ ] sandwich well Kitty porn I. always I always try and say it out loud. just to indemnify myself to protect. myself against I don't I don't have a. laptop I'm not into porn or Kitty porn I. just want to say that out loud yeah I'm. going to say the same thing feel like. never been into whenever someone I. wouldn't kill myself I love my life you. look if you can spend Five Nights with. Darkness I think you're psychologically.

pretty healthy like you're you're. beating the averages on that um I feel. like I'm pretty psychologically healthy. and I could not do that. but if you found out everything you. said faith in government would collapse. completely yes and that's a good thing. but would would that be. like the road to Anarchy at that. point. uh I think you might need some of that.

you know like what Anarchy I think is. always seen it's you have to look up. that and give me the exact definition of. Anarchy but the thought of Anarchy is. just like chaos yes chaos but it's more. just a a I believe it's more like a. belief. in uh the uh it's a it's a doubt in the. government's ability to do its job yes. at its core well I qualify then yeah um. I'm not going to call you an anarchist.

but. um we need some of that we need we need. some of uh we need some more questioning. we need we need more um disclosure we. need more things being brought out to. light um we need more journalists doing. their job and having the right. conversations I'm excited for you to I. can't even imagine who you're going to. get on on your podcast cuz it's going to. be amazing you're the first one and I'm. grateful so if just two more questions. and then I have one at the end too um so.

the the first one is what I asked you. what you're going to do when you retire. which is probably imminent just at some. point just because of your age and your. um amazing longevity so far on the sport. but you said you you just want to take a. deep breath could you see yourself. running for office no no I don't think. so no I just I don't. I believe in Bobby and and what he's. standing for but um I've never been.

super. into uh politics and and as said. publicly I believe it's a sham now I. retract that in the context of Bobby. because I I believe in what he stands. for but I've never felt like there's. been two parties it's just been the same. people and bombs still get dropped. regardless of whether it's Trump or. Obama or Bush or Clinton Wars still get. fought taxes still get levied you know. um evil and Corruption still exists.

that's right secret handshake Society. still exists the lobbyist power still. exists all the big you know big whatever. military industrial complex still exists. no matter who's in charge so how much. can you actually impact I don't know I. mean I like to think that if Bobby got. in uh if they didn't take him out that. he could enact some real change I think. the alphabet groups need a full. makeover and if we're going to you know. support Espionage then let's make sure.

we're not doing it our own people we're. good you know uh self you know. conscientious Freedom loving Americans. we Republican Democrat independent black. white asian Mexican whatever it is just. great [ __ ] people who live in this. country leave us alone leave leave us. alone yeah stop spying on me yeah get. off my computer get off my cameras get. off my ring camera you know take down.

all this stupid [ __ ] CCTV cameras. everywhere that are watching everything. and because the next step to all of this. people don't realize this and this is. the [ __ ] facts is China and what's. going on there and social credit scores. and your entire life monitored like. that's where we're going slowly Jordan. Peterson said was doing an interview and. talked about how does you I can't. remember what the conversation was but I. heard him say this how does corruption. um take form when it's so obvious it's.

slow movements it's like barely inching. towards you know total uh corruption and. obedience where you don't really see it. coming next thing you know like oh I. have no other option but to get a chip. in my hand or totally uh have a social. credit score that allows me to you know. fly in a plane if I don't have a good. one then I got to ride on a bus or or a. train or a cab or you know I can drive. you know they want all electric cars I. can just you know shut that off at some. point because you your post on Facebook.

uh you know kind of violated the. government standard here and also we're. going to uh freeze your bank account or. only let you you know eat at this. restaurant uh sorry eat at you know get. groceries from this store not like the. nice you know organic store you have to. eat this [ __ ] over here eat insects or. whatever the hell the Oro store yeah. we're not far from that if we don't like. stand for for civil liberties and people. always like you know when I talk about. CU I'm always been a big proponent of of. Ed Snowden and people like I have.

nothing to hide and I'm like that is the. [ __ ] worst. answer because I don't have anything to. hide either but I want my privacy and. you don't understand you think the. government's just going to stop at what. they're doing now they're not going to. stop with this they're inching closer to. to being 1984 where they have a set in. your some sort of TV set in your house. that watches you make sure you get up. and do your 10 push-ups 10 sit-ups we're.

going to watch every aspect of your life. we're going to give you a social credit. score we're going to great I mean it's a. [ __ ] great book to read it was. written 1949 and how many how accurate. it is today literally the ministry of. Truth we had the we literally had a a. government organization that was. censoring free speech and and. categorizing things as misinformation. there was a there was a Ministry of. Truth Zar who was making decisions based. on what they thought was acceptable. Language online and all these. factchecking [ __ ] like we're not far.

from. 1949 from that book 1984 which was. written in 1949 um if we don't take a. stand for our civil liberties and that's. why I think that there needs to be more. disclosure I hope there is I hope. there's more corruption I hope bobby. gets a chance to to debate because I. think he' do a hell open job I hope. Nicole gets a chance to debate against. KLA Harris cuz I think that'd be a big. win for her um have you met her no I. haven't i't but I I enjoy enjoy what she. says um my last question is like we are.

moving there and no one is stopping it. at this as of today you know may. 2024 so where are we in five years I you. know I was a little bit worried coming. out of Co because I saw so many people. who were manipulated by fear. and laid down and followed the. rules I think it was a lot of people. who are captivated by fear for sure but.

the majority was conscientious. good-hearted Americans that's right I. really do believe that who just wanted. to do what they thought was right. exactly trusting that the government. wouldn't lie to them wouldn't [ __ ] with. them and I think those people are waking. up and that's why I have hope I really. do have hope that. um that we've learned our lesson and. that the powers that be the the uh the. evil Unseen.

World um overstepped a little bit too. far and that. they they. got power hungry and they got uh a. little over their skis and that people. woke up and and are not going to allow. this to happen again and. there's some weird things going on in. the world right now the the stuff of the. border is very weird like listening to U. Brett Weinstein talk on Rogan about the.

groups of Chinese uh military age men. that are getting in it's very unnerving. um and they're doing it in new ways and. we're not Prosecuting anybody uh in a. lot of these big cities and there's a. George Soros of the world who are. anti-human and funding a lot of these. protests probably on these college. campuses as they're arresting people who. don't have student IDs who aren't a part. of it we saw it in Wisconsin when there. was riots going on they were busing. people in from Illinois and Iowa and all. these different places so there's anti.

there's anti-human people out there who. who don't want this to happen but I. think there's so many incredible. good-hearted conscientious Americans. both Republican Democrat independent. undecided don't give a [ __ ] about. politics obsess over C-SPAN every day or. whatever it might be who are just waking. up and going you know what this is not. the America that you know my ancestors. fought for that I want to be a part of. that it was when I was a kid when I was.

in high school when I was in college. whatever it might be and they're not. going to put up with it much longer and. I think that that's why I'm saying I. think the the evil kind of overstepped a. little bit too far and now that uh the. tides are turning I hope you're right I. hope we look back and see CO as a a. blessing to cut you up yeah this is the. other part of it is where do we get our. media from these days like the the the. information police who forever growing. up not me but like the Walter kronites.

of the world who are idolized as like. the Dan rathers even who like it seemed. like there was somebody you could trust. who was giving you the truth on TV yes. that those days are gone and thankfully. X has some level of freedom of speech. still but media our media we get from. majority of us from Twitter. not from Fox or CNN true right you had a. huge following but then you go to x and. your numbers go [ __ ] crazy yeah but.

the majority how we're going to change. the world I think is by having. conversations like this and not just me. I'm just some you know some antivaxer. you know you know football player. conspiracy theorist conspiracy theorist. yeah um but with Joe I mean the most the. most influential people in the world. right Joe Rogan's one of them yeah Joe. has. 10 plus million listen to every one of. his podcasts every single podcast that. he does goes immediately number one on. Spotify oh yeah yourself the the numbers.

you got Impressions you got the views. you got when you did interviews with. Trump and Putin and everybody in between. were astronomical nobody's ever seen and. it's going to be what gives me hope is. that you have a a voice of reason you. are willing to stand up what you believe. in and that you know guys like Joe and. yourself and countless others are. willing to like lay their reputation. aside uh get cancelled for standing up. for what they believe is right and.

that's the way that we change things so. that's why I [ __ ] am a huge fan of. yours and just want to encourage you if. I can to just like [ __ ] keep doing. what you're doing because this is how. the world changes by having long form. conversation with interesting people who. can change narrative and get people to. go you know what. maybe I can change my opinion because. that's the only way that we grow. together is by talking to people that we. don't actually agree on everything or we. have a what we think is a tightly held.

belief and we go you know what I'm going. to loosen that grip a little bit and. just listen to what somebody else has to. say and then maybe there's something in. there that goes I like that I might I. might not have to hold so firmly to this. anymore and it's it's just like in the. church right and you're a spiritual. person I'm a spiritual person talking. about aliens you can't talk about that. [ __ ] in church right no there's no other. God created Adam and Eve and just on. this planet right there's no nothing. else to look at well there's some weird. uh you know extraterrestrial references.

in the Bible that uh they didn't have. maybe the words for but uh there could. be some other [ __ ] going on here and. maybe I shouldn't hold so tightly to. that one belief that I'm the only thing. on this entire Earth and the Earth is. 5,000 years old and there's nothing else. going on here like we all need to. transgress uh you know to transcend. sorry uh um our our beliefs to include. the stuff that we want but in order for. us to get to the next level whether. that's the next Dimension uh A New Earth.

uh a new way of living is to transcend. and include what we believe and in doing. that I think it's talking to people that. we don't necessarily agree with it's. like what I'm trying to do and we'll. continue to try and do and that's have. empathy and compassion for people that. have slander me shame me and cancel me. Tred. to. and get past that that's the most. Christian possible thing you could do I. mean Christians are commanded to do that. they don't but they they're commanded to. do that pray for those who persecute you.

love your enemies I mean that's and like. sincerely do it I'm going to that's I. mean sincerely try and try and do that. and I think we can all do that on some. level but it starts with just. like just opening your heart a little. bit trying to love people a little bit. better trying to love yourself a little. bit better and. then not being scared to stand up for. what you believe. in it feels. like there's a depth of convers this is.

my last question but it have you noticed. in your personal life that the. conversations you're having with the. people you love who are you're friends. with that they're much deeper than they. were five years ago much much deeper. yeah I think there's a number of reasons. for that it's just where I'm at uh. personally and and the the changes I've. tried to make um but I think in general. people are desperate for that deep. connection and they're just tired of.

surface level stuff and they and they. really want to to go deep and we attract. our tribe you know your Vibe attracts. attracts your tribe and just like you. said I don't really know anybody who's. like you know vaxed or wearing a mask in. cars I don't really either and there's. no no judgment there's no judgment I'm. not judging it's just interesting that's. just where you're at on your journey. that's awesome that's great you know. like I wish you didn't have that much. fear but like mad love you know whatever. you're doing but like the people that. I'm trying to attract and that I have. been um is just people who are desperate.

for like depth and connection and. finding like Common Ground even people. that I don't I had been know with people. recently that are you know fully vaxed. and double boosted and we had a. beautiful conversation about you know a. dozen different topics and I left going. [ __ ] that's awesome like I love being. able to connect with people like that. who don't have a base level of like. belief that I do but the but we both. came to a table like in the actual table. of like wantan to have like a deep. conversation and to understand each.

other better and I think that's how we. move this thing forward and that's my. life is just like people who want to go. deep and whether it's on medicine or off. medicine or talking about medicine or. not talking about medicine it's all you. know it's all like how can we connect. deeper how can we love better how can we. love ourselves and our world and and. actually make a difference and that's. why you know guys like yourself guys. like Joe are making a difference because. they're platforming people um who really. care about this life and are doing. awesome things and when you hear.

somebody who's passionate about. something it just gets you like kind of. vitalized about life and you're like oh. [ __ ] yeah like these people do love. America and they do want to make a. difference and they do you know care. about right and wrong and there is a. field of value where things are good and. things are evil and stand up for what's. good and that's that's what you're doing. that's what you did on Fox for all those. years that's what you did when you. [ __ ] left Fox um. and uh I'm just glad to know you glad to. be friends I am too thank you Aaron. Rogers and thank you for dinner that was. great thank.

you do I think law enforcement and Intel. agency's massage and shaped news. coverage yes I think to an overwhelming. extent how many of those are directly. agents who are placed in those fields. well Bob wward was well hun was a naval. Intel officer who was detailed to the. Nixon white house before he L reemerges. like a year later is a crack reporter. for the Washington Post.