Zohran Mamdani: New York's New Mayor Pops In

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SIDE. CALL A NUMBER. What What number. mayor are you, by the way? >> They're saying it's 112. >> No ways. Peaches and cream. [laughter]. >> What they should sing at your. inauguration? [laughter]. >> Oh. Oh. Oh. >> You know what's stuck in my head? >> What? >> K. [laughter] K. K. >> K. Yes. K. That was a vibe, man. That was me. We. made Sound City top 10. >> That was me.

>> Songs of the week. >> You don't even understand. >> Top 10. >> Who's that other guy? Uh hab. Yeah. >> Yeah. I grew up with him. >> Where is he? >> He's in compala. >> Has he reached out to you? >> Yeah. Yeah. I'm in touch with him. >> He's a close friend. >> When when you won, did U H U say you did. it. [laughter]. >> We were like, is it HAB or is it HAB? >> HAB. >> It is HAB, right? Hab. Sorry, I thought. you were asking me to spell. No, I. didn't know if it's if it's We were like. cuz it was all in caps. Then we were. like, "Is this is it Hub or is it Hab?".

>> Did Did Hub text you and go, "How did. you convince them?" [laughter]. >> Cuz I'm sure Hub remembers rolling with. you trying to go to radio station in. Kala trying to get your song played. >> Then he was like, "You couldn't convince. one station manager in Kala. >> How did you do this?". >> The whole OF NEW YORK. HOW? >> You know the reason his name is Hub? >> Tell me. If we're off the record or. >> nothing is off the nothing's off the. record. Don't say anything [laughter]. when the red light is on. >> Nothing is. >> Let me tell you the first thing. Can I.

tell you? I'll give you a tip. [laughter]. >> Give it to me. >> That I learned like very early on with. the Daily Show and everything. Nothing. is off the record. >> You're never going to know. >> No, no, no. [laughter] When you if you. when you walk out the room, let me. explain. Let me explain. Let me explain. when you walk out, this has always. fascinated me in America is when I'll. see people like some footage will come. out from 20 years ago or something. >> and there'll be something that was sort. of behind not [laughter]. >> the remember the the ninjas who were. dancing.

>> There was the other video though for. >> Yes. Yes, [laughter] that was that one. >> You know, my regret is that my dad. dressed up as a ninja. >> You're lying. FOR THAT VIDEO. >> NAH. >> And the director of the video taped over. that part. >> NO. >> And that mil ninja stole the show. though. >> Yeah. There was one there was one ninja. in one of. >> Too much swag for a ninja. I was like. this one this ninja's [laughter] black. It's a black ninja. >> Oh man. >> Yeah. Tell me about this thing about. America cuz I'm trying to as much as I.

can. >> Yeah. So what I was saying is like I was. always intrigued by how people would. trust just like a handshake agreement. everywhere. Mhm. >> People like, "Oh, this is off the. record, but there's a camera rolling. >> and there's sound recording.". >> And we like, "This is off the record.". And then 10 years later or 5 years, even. a day later, the clip comes out. >> And then people are like, "But. >> but that was behind the scenes." You're. like, "Yes, there's a camera.". >> When you're wearing a microphone, when. there's a microphone when there's a. camera, >> it's somewhere. >> Cuz the editor was like, "I'm not part. of your agreement. >> It's somewhere." Remember, grab them by.

the. >> I wasn't there. But. >> why you saying do I remember Zoran? [laughter]. I'm leaving this between you guys. >> The way he said, "Do you remember?". >> You're right. Actually, I shouldn't have. done it. Made it seem. >> I accept your apology. >> Yeah. Yeah. I apologize, but my point is. that was all off camera. >> H. >> You know who also owes. >> That was all off camera. Who? >> The editor that edited Zoran's dad out. of the conduct. >> I [laughter] still can't believe he. recorded. >> But that's how you. >> Yes. when you.

>> Oh, by the way, this is a this is a. special like this is I was like, how do. how do we make this time special with. you and I thought to myself, you've got. Zoran Mani on the podcast, but I was. like, how many you know how many tie-ins. we have in our lives, right? So, born in. Africa, born in Africa, then uh Ugandan, right? Born in Uganda. Then I was like, do you know how many Ugandans I have in. my life? In my head, I thought to. myself, I was like, I collect Ugandans. And I was like, but you can't say that. Don't say it like that. too.

>> Anyway, >> no, no, no. But I No, no. I'm saying I. wasn't going to say it. [laughter]. >> This is off the record. >> Just taking us through the. >> This is off the record. I'm letting you. know in my head. This is off the record, so you can't use it against me. [laughter]. >> So then I was like, I collect Ugandans. And I was like, but you can't say it. like that. So you got to be like, I'm in. I have a lot of you I don't know how. this happened. I have a lot of Ugandan. friends in my life. Like a lot of. Ugandan friends. >> You say it like it's a. >> like a problem. >> No, no, no. You made it sound like a. problem. Zoran, don't put that on. >> See what it feels like. [laughter]. >> Don't put that on. >> Someone puts you in a scene. You owe me. an apology. I'll take my apology now.

>> Which camera? >> Not to me. This is not about the. deposition. >> This is straight to me. [laughter]. >> Straight to me. I'll take my apologies. Or. >> I apologize. >> Thank you. Thank you very much. So. >> then I was like, I'm just going to bring. them all in. So I was like, my best. friend who's Indian, my other best. friend who's Ugandan and South African, >> they've even got microphones. They can. just throw things in. Where where in. Uganda by the way? >> Kala. This guy was born. Where were you. born in Kala? >> Mere.

>> Okay. In Sambia Hospital. >> Oh wow. >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> Why I moved to South Africa? >> Like you. >> I can hear. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And to New York like you. >> You guys hated that place. >> Which place? South Africa or Uganda? >> Two places before you [laughter] were. like huh. >> It actually is a crazy story. Think. about it. You guys both came from. Uganda. I mean, you're not helpful to me. because my parents are like, I mean, look at WHAT [laughter]. >> I'm sorry, man. He's raised the ceiling.

[laughter] for. >> they thought you had achieved. >> and now they're like, "Wait, you could. have done this. This is what you could. have done." [laughter]. >> How many people are shocked? Eugene and. I were talking about that the whole day. Like. >> there's got to be a section of people in. your life who are still shocked at the. idea of you being the mayor of arguably. the most important cities in the world. HAB. >> Oh, hab. >> Yeah. Hub, not hub.

>> Different hub. >> Heb. Think of Heb. >> No, but but there must be like genuinely. just on like a personal level. >> There must be a ton of people out there. who go. >> they just know you as Zoran. >> Yeah. >> And then now you are Zoran Mamani. the. next mayor of New York City. >> Yeah, I mean it's it's true not just in. Kala but also here in New York City. I. mean there are people I would play on a. rec soccer team with and I was just. reading this article today about um.

about a lot of their reactions and. reflections. >> Do you still play with them? >> I haven't in a while. >> Why not? I saw you still have the skills. by the way. I was very impressed. >> Highly edited. >> No, no, no, no. You can't edit those. skills. No, no, no. You're lying. You. can't. No, you can't edit those skills. You You like You play What position did. you play? >> I have the classic journey of someone. who played up top and then lost all of. their speed and now plays at left back. [laughter]. >> That's That's where I am. >> I started my journey at left back. You. know, you know when people say You know. when people say I fell off to your.

position. [laughter]. >> Yeah. I used to be good and then now I. play where you play all the time. [laughter]. That's That's me, Trevor. That's me. I I. genuinely love that for you, man. I just. like how much how much has your life. changed now. Like, is it And I don't. know if this is just anecdotal, but we. were chatting with Ryan about this. We. were going it feels like your social. media has gotten a little more serious. now, which makes sense, but I don't know. if that's just how it looks online. Do.

you do you feel like a a more serious. shift in your life? >> I think I don't feel burdened by it. I. feel like sometimes that's implicit in. >> the sense of the seriousness. It's you. can both take it for the weight that it. has and also not lose sight of the fact. that. >> it's an incredible opportunity, right? >> And I think for me, >> the idea that it's my job to represent. this city that I love and that my job. means I get to speak to New Yorkers and. go across the five burrows and see. people in their own lives, it's amazing.

Um, and then there's also there parts of. it that are absurd, you know, like I. told my landlord I was moving out. Um, and and [laughter] she she was, you. know, jokingly saying, you know, make. sure you clean up the apartment. If you. don't, I know where you're moving to. [laughter]. >> I remember Yeah. Everybody knows. >> Yeah. Everyone knows everything about. like this pre this is this is your life. >> Yeah. >> Forever more. This is this is your life.

It'll never be the same after this. moment. >> It won't. It won't. But I think that's. what I love though is that you learn. different parts of the city because of. what your [snorts] life is like now. >> You know, I think like for my wife and. I, we. going out at night, like going for a. walk at night, it has a different kind. of meaning now because it's where we can. find a little bit of anonymity, right? And so you start to appreciate the city. at an hour that you otherwise wouldn't. have gone before because you didn't have. to make that kind of a decision. >> Oh, okay. Do you have a night voice?

[laughter]. >> It would be I'M ZORAN. >> YOU CAN'T still be Zoran with a night. voice. >> Oh, who? >> Mr. Cardamom. [laughter]. >> Yes. Yes. >> Mayor Cardam. >> Mayor Cardamom to you. >> When the When the Knights of New York. get rough and Zoron can't do it, I'M. HERE. WHAT YOU TALKING ABOUT? YES. THAT'S IT. Don't go anywhere cuz we got more what. now after this.

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now, and you know, you're doing all. these things. And I was trying to think. if somebody was watching this episode, what would they hope to get from the. conversation? There were only three. things that really really stuck out for. me, like three three larger ideas. One. was how you see the future of New York. City, how you want to build it, how you. want to change it, what you want to. improve, what you think the challenges. will be, etc. It's like the job job part. of it. Uh the second part of it is the. human being. >> And the reason I say that is because in. everything that I've seen of yours. genuinely, it's it's either like.

caricatures of people who hate you. >> or just like pieces about what you want. to do. But people sort of don't know. you. And I I think a lot of people would. would like to know who the human being. is behind some of these ideas. And then. the last part is just like random. that we'll talk. >> about like cuz you're also like a. person. You see like now you you did a. joke with us. I think you're the first. politician I know who's ever told me. like a joke. Maybe Obama was. >> the first time where I was like, "Oh, this person actually knows humor.". >> Do you know what I mean? >> But you're just like a like a dude.

>> He's just like a guy. >> Just a guy. >> He is [laughter] at night. Oh man. So let's Okay, let's talk about. New York. Wait, hold on. Where are you. from? >> South Africa. >> We're in South Africa. >> Born in Pritoria, but now living. >> Does this count against our time by the. way? [laughter]. >> Sorry. >> You know I love you, Eugene. >> I just want to know if this counts. against our time. Wait, what did you. say? >> Does this count against our time? >> No, before that. You know I love you,

Eugene. [laughter]. You finally got it. You finally got it. How many podcast episodes did this take? >> 50. >> Thank you. >> You are loved. >> Thank you. >> You are seen. >> Thank you. >> You are enough. [laughter]. [gasps]. >> Is this what it took? >> So is this. >> Come on. >> Johannesburg by way of Ptoria South.

Africa. >> By way of pritoria South Africa, stand. up. You know, you know this. you know. this. So, let's talk about New York and. then and then we'll go we'll go through. your life. Sorry, Eugene. Sorry. Cuz now. they're going to be like you've run out. of [laughter] time and then I'll be like. some of that time was taken by Eugene. Just you know what we can even do? We. can edit you in saying things about your. life. We just we'll when [laughter] you. leave you you're just going to sit here. and just be like and then I and we'll. put that in Ryan to. >> AND THEN WE'LL [laughter] PUT A STUNT. double in. Ryan, you'll be Zoron stunt. double and then you must just like Yeah. But anyway, so let's let's [laughter].

>> Sorry. Um, actually run us through the. process, right? Um, >> like what's what's what are the orders. of business that you that you're doing. right now? Like let's let's let's go. from the shortest term and let's build. out as as as as your your job as mayor. So, what are you doing right now? >> Right now is the transition period. Okay. >> So, right now is the time where we are. >> vetting applicants who are making hiring. decisions. We're building out the team. >> So, it's this it's it's a bit of a. strange period because everyone knows. about the election. Everyone knows about.

January 1st and then you have these two. months in between. >> and so typically in these two months. it's a lot of kind of pomp and. >> pageantry. >> We want to get ahead of January 1st. >> We want to make the decisions and the. appointments in advance of January 1st. and what this also means is we want to. build that team. >> Okay. So, so far we have made a few. decisions of first deputy mayor, you. know, chief of staff, uh, police. commissioner, and then in the next few. weeks, we have to start filling out.

additional top positions. >> What What do you What do you base that. on when you when you're picking that? And the reason I ask this is because. you're such a unique candidates, right? So, if you had come through the the. regular pipeline of, oh, establishment, establishment, I almost feel like it. would have been prepicked for you in a. weird way, >> it would have been who you knew. Yeah, cuz we always see that happen, right? It's like when Hillary Clinton was. running, then you'd be like the person. she's going to pick is the person who. used to be the person who used to be the. person. You're like, "Oh, it's all like. the same team." And then you just shift. around who's where. You get what I'm.

saying? Yours yours is is is different. though. So, how do you pick and where do. you pick? >> I think it it's it's on an assessment of. the work that people have done. And it's. quite liberating actually to come into. this position and not have to owe. favors, you know, not not be like. >> unburdened, [clears throat] you know, you're just actually making decisions. based on do you think this person can do. the job? How can they show you that. they've already done the job? And you're. looking for this combination of a. fluency. >> with what it looks like to work within. government and an imagination that is.

unburdened by the difficulties of. working within that government. >> Okay. >> Right. So sometimes you would think that. the more time you spend in government, the less ambitious you become about what. you can do within government. >> Yeah. >> But one of the reasons that I hired Dean. Foulahan to be my first deputy mayor, he. had served 47 years in working in. government at the city and the state. level is the first time we sat down for. adichai at Kawa House. He he told me. about how he like the drink. >> Like the drink. Okay. You ever heard of. making sure Ryan, have I had it? I'm.

assuming I've had variations of it. [laughter]. >> No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. The. closest thing the closest thing. Yeah, but you weren't with me drinking. >> You owe. >> He monitors. He monitors. >> You owe. >> I apologize. Like I accept. >> Sharp. But yes, I've had. [laughter]. sharp sharp sharp. So So yeah. So you. were sitting down having chai. >> and he talked about how he transformed. the culture of the office of management. and budget from a culture of no to a.

culture of how. >> Mhm. >> And to me that is an example of what. we're trying to do with government. Because when you'll say you have an. ambitious policy proposal, you want to. deliver universal child care, you want. to make buses fast and free, there will. be so many people you can find who can. tell you it's impossible to do that, >> right? >> And the people you're actually looking. for are not the ones who tell you it's. easy. They're the ones who tell you it's. difficult and here's how they're. actually going to do it. So you're. interviewing people for the job or. you're picking people for the job. >> and you're trying to find a balance. between the people who've shown that. they can do it. But then I'm assuming.

you're also interviewing people who like. you are new to a position cuz that's. that's the weird paradox, right? You've. never been mayor of New York and now you. are going to be mayor of New York. >> So how do you then judge a person who's. never done the job? Like what what are. you looking for in those people where. you go, hey, you haven't done this, but. I think you can. vision. >> You you you're looking to hear from them. about how they would actually transform. the position that you're asking them. about. There there's there's a real. temptation, especially when you're. looking at a job of this scale and. you're looking at, you know, we're. talking about positions that oversee.

agencies of tens of thousands of people. >> There's a temptation to say, I'm just. going to keep the trains running on. time. >> But that's not enough. That's not enough. in a city that's the most expensive in. the United States of America. It's not. enough in a city where one in four. people live in poverty. You have to both. be able to continue to operate things as. they are and push them forward to. delivering the city we deserve. Why do. you think or do you think because I mean. I do so I don't want to bias you but. like it feels like particularly in. America and maybe other parts of the.

world it feels like conservatives. have been pretty good at imagining and. hoping. and then liberals or progressives or. however people want to you know left. side of the spectrum. >> have sort of adopted this idea of like. hey hey hey it it it work let's just. keep it working well and you can't. really change much you can't like do you. know how many interviews of yours I've. watched where people say, "Zoran, now I. agree with your politics. I I love what. you're saying, but I just don't know. that we can do it. I just I just don't.

think you'll be able to get it done. I. just don't But not once have I seen. somebody. >> interviewing like Trump, for instance, on a right-wing platform go like, "Ah, dog, I don't know about that wall. I. don't know, man. That's a big ass wall. How you going to do it?" Do you get what. I'm saying? >> I I do. I think it's it's you have. people it seems like Republicans have a. limitless imagination. >> Yeah. >> And as Democrats, we're constructing an. ever lowering ceiling of possibility. >> It's it's right here. >> Yeah. >> You know, and.

>> we are robbing ourselves of ambition and. imagination and we're telling people. that their choice is between settling or. sacrifice. And neither of these are. enough. You have to have an affirmative. vision of how life can be better than. this because this life already is. suffocating people. I sometimes think. it's because of the decline of religion. on the left. >> H tell us more. >> I I could pro I look if I'm wrong I'm. wrong and you know you will tell me you. >> wait if there's one thing I will tell.

you. >> Hello. >> is when I'm wrong. >> Am I allowed to speak? >> Yeah. [laughter] I like that you say. that into a microphone as if the. microphone wasn't placed there for the. possibility [laughter] that you may. speak. >> Am I allowed to speak? >> You literally look, you know what you. look like right now? You look like. somebody at those like town halls where. they came from the crowd and then they. don't know how anything works. >> Oh, at checkers. He's about to make an. announcement. >> But let me let me say this point and. then Yes. Let me say so so so this is. >> before you say this point though. >> Okay. >> Did you steal this point from me?

>> There's there's a distinct possibility. as friends. >> Okay. No, no, continue. Continue. as. friends. [laughter] I mean, I don't know. how you are with your friends, but if my. friend has a great idea, >> it's mine. It becomes a part of my my. thinking. This this point might have. come by way of a friendship tap away. >> That's exactly what it is. >> And when it was open, no one was taking. responsibility for what's inside. >> Preach, Eugene. Preach. Tell people. about these relationship tapaways. Huh? Instead of focusing on where the. Tupperware ends up, you should focus on. the fact that your friend took the meal.

that was inside the Tupperware and. enjoyed it. >> and shared it. But he may return it with. another meal inside. >> That's true. That's true. Many of the. ideas that you have came from me. >> And some of that which idea of yours did. I know. [laughter]. >> So the the owner of the idea to me. [laughter]. the owner of the idea is not important. I think good ideas should live beyond. people. But if you think about religion. and and how in most parts of the world.

>> religion is declining but it's declining. in areas where people are particularly. left-leaning or progressive or you know. what I mean you see it. >> I don't think religion is I think faith. is. >> yeah the two have been combined for a. long time. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. >> And one of the things that like faith. requires of you. >> is the ability to believe that this. current state that you are in is not the. end. There is a possibility that. something can be greater. And even. though you cannot see it, you believe. that it can happen. It requires.

literally everything that you just said. Do you know what I mean? >> Yeah. And and I think that I've found. over the course of the campaign that. it's often in houses of worship where. New Yorkers still have that trust, >> really, >> still have that faith. >> And it's by and large lost when it comes. to politics. You know, I mean, >> there are so many people who look at. politics as irrelevant to their material. struggles on a day-to-day basis. And. part of that is because of their own.

experiences of believing in politicians. who have not delivered and thinking that. the rational decision is to take as much. space as you can. >> How do you how do you find. just real quick I just want to know like. >> this is this is a difficult one like. with delivery. How do you think the. public should judge a politician's. delivery or lack thereof? Because some. things that people set out to do won't. be achieved because that's how life is. You aim for something and you fail, right? And then some are because of. regulation or kickbacks or you know.

corporations or lobbyists or so one part. of it is because of like a mud and a. sludge and then the other one is because. just life is like that. So how how would. you like people to judge you when you. were in the mayorship and go. >> all right Zoran this thing you did. achieve. So that's one side, but for the. things that you you didn't like, how. would you want people to judge your your. failures, which are inevitable in. anything that people do, [snorts]. we we built a campaign around three. policy commitments.

>> Yeah. >> Freezing the rent for rent stabilized. tenants, making the slowest buses in. America fast and free, delivering. universal child care. We have to deliver these things. >> Okay? >> And that's non-negotiable. >> to to me. I think it's every day I'm. going to wake up pushing these three. things forward and there's no question. there are this is incredibly difficult. work. There are things you will try and. you will fail. I think what what. frustrates so many is that there there.

are so many things where it looks like. someone is not even trying. >> Yeah. >> They are just admitting defeat from the. beginning. >> You know they're describing something as. unrealistic or impossible. Um, Madiva. said, "It's always seems impossible. until it's done." Nelson Mandela, for. those who don't know, >> can I ask a question? >> You're going to say, "Nelson Mandela. took that from you as well." I. [laughter] know how you work. I know the. that you were going to say. >> He's going to be like, "WHERE DID HE GET. THAT IDEA? WHERE DID HE GET THAT IDEA? WHO WAS IN PRISON with him? [laughter].

Mr. I'm the only person with ideas. Please share some with us." Dave, [laughter]. >> before he says something, I'd like to. say it probably wasn't his idea cuz he's. been quiet when you started speaking. He. didn't say anything. tit the title was. my idea. You know when you get those. movies that have the same title but it's. a different movie. The title was my idea. but. >> like the one where the Oh, no. Never. mind. >> Okay. So now, uh, mayor elect Mamani, do you know your powers, you know, like. cuz you run for mayor, but at some point.

there's like you have powers, certain. powers. >> Mhm. >> So do you know them all? Is do they give. you like a book? These are your actual. powers. >> They they don't give you a book. Do do. you no I'm saying you know what I mean. like. >> no I I I do I have I have um definitely. an awareness of of what power this jobs. comes with. I'll give you an example on. the three policies I was speaking of. >> The first one freezing the rent for rent. stabilized tenants city of 8.5 million. people about 2 and a2 million live in. housing called rentstabilized housing.

Right. >> And what does that mean? Just because I. I see people conflate stabilized versus. >> rent control is a very small proportion. We're talking about what is rent. stabilized. What does that mean? >> Rent stabilized basically applies to. half of all tenants in New York City. >> And it means that their rent, >> whether it will increase or stay the. same, is determined by a board called. the rent guidelines board. >> Okay. >> The board is composed of nine. appointees, all of whom are appointed by. the mayor. >> Yes. >> So, we have seen this board freeze the. rent in the past. We have seen this.

board raise the rent like it has under. Eric Adams, more than 12%. So when I. talk about freezing the rent, I'm. talking about this board composed of. mayor appointees finally giving tenants. the relief that they deserve. >> So that's sorry just to clear that up. So that is like you know you know the. question cuz sometimes when it comes to. politics people will be like you know. you vote the person in then later on. it's like no technically I didn't have. that power you know you know that kind. of. >> no people try to obiscate what their. responsibility is. I think the the the. second and the third points that I.

brought up of making buses fast and. free, delivering universal childare, these are things that have to be done in. partnership with Albany state. government, right? The the reason that. it was at a core part of my campaign. though is any mayor with an agenda that. is as ambitious as the crisis in front. of them will require state partnership. Okay? Because the city is effectively a. creature of the state, especially after. the 1970s fiscal crisis. So, one of the. most impressive achievements in city.

politics in the last few decades was the. creation of universal prek. That was. done by the previous mayor who mayor. Delasio who ran on that as part of his. agenda. Needed Albany to get it done. There were all these articles written. about how it was unrealistic. He went up. against a governor who was very much. opposed to it and he won the funding for. that because of the coalition that he. built. >> Okay? And so my point here is that there. are some things you can do directly. yourself. There are other things you. will have to build the coalition around.

you to do. But all of these things have. to be part and parcel of it because I. can tell you to my mind one of the most. frustrating things you can tell a New. Yorker when they call your district. office is oh that's not that's not. actually my jurisdiction. >> Yeah. >> You should call this person or you. should call at that level. >> Being the mayor of this city comes with. immense power. Not to say total power at. all, but immense power to at least start. an agenda and then start to deliver that. agenda when you build the coalition you. need. That's where I see the possibility.

in these three things. >> So, okay, great. This is great. >> Wait, you know, when you when you say. the thing about the the book of power, >> it makes me think of like I think you. and I actually had this conversation. We. talked about how. >> mostly me giving ideas. >> We talked about how again I don't care. where good ideas come from. No, you. know, uh, my idea is people shouldn't. worry [laughter] about their egos. Um, but no, but we we had this conversation. about [laughter] we talked about we're. talking about Trump and we literally we. we we joked and we said it feels like.

Trump was the first person to read that. book. >> Do you know what I mean? Because there's. so many things done. >> No, because there's so many things where. Trump is doing it and then people are. like, >> "CAN A PRESIDENT DO THAT?" And then it's. like, "Oh, yeah, he can." And you're. like, "Wait, wait, wait, wait. We didn't. know that you could do all of these. things." And I think that's sort of what. the question is. >> Yeah. And and and I think it's look, we. have this transition. We have four. incredible co-chairs. One of them is. Lena Khan. And Lena Khan, >> can we get Lena Khan on the show by the. way? She's one of my favorite human. beings. >> No. Can I tell you I we'll have a. separate conversation about this. I'll.

tell you why. >> I take away from our time. [laughter]. >> Yes. But it's but it'll add time value. It'll add value. No, I'll tell you why. [laughter]. >> Lena Khan, like you seen on a wall of. like superheroes. The way I hate monopolies, mergers, acquisitions, and you know this as my. friends. >> Orlando Pirates. >> I don't think that counts. >> What about the Orlando Pirates? [laughter] What about. >> Thank you for he hates.

>> What the hell? >> Merger [laughter] acquisitions. Kaiser. Cheese. >> Oh man, WE BROKE MY BRAIN LIKE ORLANDO. PIRATES. [laughter]. Cortas with no Russian. [laughter] No. Anyway, she's I'll tell you, she's a. hero because I I think she taps into and. I think that's maybe why you picked her. Part of it is. >> she taps into the understanding that not. everything is happening on the surface. the way you think it is. >> and then you go like, why did that.

happen? Why did that happen? And she's. like, oh, let me show you where it. started. Like she's at the origin story. of a lot of these things. And she spoke. about that when she first got to her. job, she felt like she was experiencing. the great forgetting where she got there. and it felt as if so many people working. in government had forgotten the tools. they had at their disposal. >> You see, that's that's what I'm nailed. it. >> And I think we. >> it's it's there is a need for. imagination for the new kinds of. policies and proposals you put forward. and also an ambition to use your.

existing set of tools. >> Yeah. to actually transform people's. lives. Don't go [music] anywhere cuz we got. more what now after this. [music]. >> Do you think. >> Can I just one more question? Just. Sorry. Sorry. Really? This is now. >> he's not sorry. >> now. Okay. I'm not okay. One more. question. Now in just to wrap up the. powers thing, >> do we all agree as New Yorkers that. ambulances are too loud? Is there. something?

>> I feel like this has turned This has. literally turned into those It really. has turned into a um a town hall. >> No, I'M JUST NO, YOUR POSTURE. CAN I. TELL YOU? I always look at when I watch. town halls and people come up and do. this thing. I'm always like, "Who are. these people?" I didn't know I'm friends. with one of them. >> The like the posture, the everything. JUST LIKE, "CAN WE ALL AGREE THAT. AMBULANCES ARE TOO LOUD?". >> ALSO, SPEAKING OF POWERS. >> YES, EXACTLY. [laughter]. Here's my pet issue. But but yes, HE. LIKE. >> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MERGERS AND. ACQUISITION. >> I LIKE HOW DAVE GAVE HIMSELF CITIZENSHIP.

AS CITIZENS. [laughter] YEAH. YEAH. YOU. KIND. >> WAIT, WAIT, WAIT. DAVE, DAVE, WAIT. NO, but actually I I do like this question. because I I think you know why as I get. it. Macro versus micro. I think these. are like the nice things to try and. understand. I I'll I'll interpret for. you. Yes. >> So now one, we all agree that ambulances. are too loud. >> Way too loud in New York. Way too loud. I agree. >> They're too loud. one ambulance and the. entire Manhattan knows that you know. that agree about to lose their lives. You don't even KNOW THAT TOO MUCH OF IT.

NO, let me explain. Let me explain. Eugene, wait. Let me explain. Let me. explain. I This is what Dave means. Really? >> You don't even know where it's coming. from. It's pointless at some point. It's. like knows where it's going. That's the. most important. Nobody knows where it's. coming. But anyway, finish asking it. >> Cool. So now would you say that that in. some way or form the citizens of New. York both documented undocumented I'm. not even joking because you're trying to. expose me but um but [laughter]. trying. >> but now would you say that it is that.

you pledge to have a like some sort of. database not database but link so that. we can see what's inside the ambulance. >> this is. oh because because. >> I never I never knew where the next. >> sentence was going. OH, WHERE THE NEXT. welcome to Dave. Welcome to Dave. You. just summed up Dave. If there was a. review of Dave, >> so if it's too loud, YOU WANT TO KNOW. WHAT'S [laughter] HAPPENING INSIDE. >> Can I tell you? No. Can I tell you? >> You want to know? I think I think what. he wants to know is.

>> is it justified being loud? Has the. person stubbed their toe or is this. person in cardiac arrest? No. But more. importantly, are you asking. >> or you decrease the volume? Do you know. what I mean? If the not everybody is. having a emergency the way these. ambulances TELL US THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE. So. >> do you regret being mayor yet? [laughter]. >> I'm saying. >> this is your life in your. >> you know this is your life right. >> IN YOUR [laughter] BOOK OF POWERS. ANYWAY. YOU'RE GOING TO BE HAVING. DINNER. YOU'RE GOING TO BE HAVING dinner.

and this guy's coming up. >> I know TOO MANY GUYS LIKE THIS. [laughter] ANYWAY. >> NO. NOW I'M the mayor. I STILL KNOW THIS. GUY. >> NO BECAUSE YOU have these you have these. these big ideas. That's what I'm saying. in your book. I'm sure you can say that. and most people will will agree. Most. people will No. No. No. Cuz we all agree. at some point we're going to need. ambulance. >> Small small injury. Small small siren. >> Small siren. Big injury. Big siren. >> Can No. No. Now on on a real though. Can. you like are those the kinds of things. that you actually can do unilaterally or.

do you need to like is there a board? Is. there a. >> No, I think on this question. >> Yeah. I mean it. I mean it. I know it. sounds crazy. No idea. >> Okay. Okay. What about what about. >> So you don't KNOW WHAT'S IN THE BOOK. [laughter]. >> I am not going to sit here. >> SO YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S pretend. [laughter]. >> that I even know the process by which. you would consider trading volume. [laughter] for. >> severity of No, you don't know what's in. the book. That's the THING [laughter]. >> BECAUSE IT COULD BE Thank you, sir.

Thank you, sir. Could be in the book. >> Thank you for your time, sir. Thank you. Thank you. This as you can see, so Dave. definitely lives in New York. uh and. experiences. This this is actually what. I what I love about it is like as you as. you're building up in this transition. and you're getting ready for these. things, how do you find so you have. these three big um policies that you've. run on. You've gone rent. We are aiming. to freeze the rent especially where we. can immediately and then work on helping. other people. The second thing you're. going with is the buses. They need to be. faster. They need to be free. And the. third thing you're working on is the. >> childare. And number four is Dave.

>> Number four is Dave. [laughter] Right. So, I mean, you've made it. >> You've made it. You've made it. >> You've made it until this point. >> It's the only way out. >> So, so my my [laughter] question is. >> when you're in that, is there is there a. system for you as mayor to go these. things are small but annoying and they. actually make a difference in people's. lives like like the the sound of sirens. or for instance or like how do you how. do you find those balances? >> I think this is it's it's not just that. government has often said a crisis is.

too big, we cannot tackle it. It's also. that government has said this issue is. too small. It's not worth our time. >> And as much as much as we laugh, >> issues of this scale, whether it be the. sound of something or the noise of. something or. >> these to New Yorkers are examples of a. city that's not working for them. >> Yes, it is actually. >> whatever it may be. And you need to be. able to prove that your city government. takes it seriously because wherever you. are losing people's faith, losing.

people's trust, that's also where you're. losing their faith and trust in an. ambitious agenda. You know, I was at a. town hall with an incoming city council. member, his name is Tai at Rochdale. Village in Southeast Queens, [snorts]. and uh an older woman got up and she had. a question for me. She said, "Will you. honor a promise that was made to me. multiple mayoral administrations ago?". And I was like, [sighs] "What is this. promise going to be?" Um, and she said,

"They promised to put a speed bump at. this corner." And it hadn't been done. for more than a decade. And I was. thinking to myself, how could I ask her. to believe in the possibility of. delivering universal childare if the. same government couldn't even get her a. speed bump. >> that they had promised. >> that they had promised more than a. decade ago. Because when you betray that. promise, >> you are telling that New Yorker that. they should not look to city government. as something or someone that could.

deliver on their needs. And they start. to turn away. And then when you ask. ourselves, why aren't more people. voting? more and more people invested, where more people engaged, a lot of it. is based on experiences like this. >> where the best that they can hope for. from their city government is neglect or. ignorance. And we have to win people. back through the power of example. You. can't finger wag your way to getting. someone invested in the politics of. their own city. You have to prove it to. them. You have to prove that you were. right to believe and here we are. actually delivering it. I don't know if. I can prove it to you, Dave, but.

>> can I can I say can I say although I. joined the mob in laughing at you, >> I will say though this is an issue that. I fully stand by. >> Which part of the issue? >> The no the the. >> ambulances or silent. >> I'll tell you why. No, I'll tell you. why. >> It's it's an idea that I've had that. maybe I got from you. And this idea has. always been this idea has always been. >> there's a there's a disconnect in. politics and in the management of. cities, countries, states, etc. where.

>> there are the things that will. dramatically change your life that are. actual things that you need to happen. >> And then there are things that make you. think your life is getting better or. getting worse, but they aren't actually. >> And it's a strange thing that people. have in society. You know what I mean? Some things can make people feel safer. Some things actually make you safer. Some things can make you feel like a. city's functioning. Some things actually. make it function. And it it's I'm always. perception and reality. >> The I'm always intrigued around like how. a politician manages that. When you get. into that position, how do you manage.

that perception? So sirens is a good. one. >> When you live in a city where you. constantly hear sirens, it seems like. something's always going wrong. Recently, when I traveled to London, Amsterdam, all these, I was I was. shocked at how quiet it were. But I it. took me a while to realize something was. like missing. >> And then you're like, wait, >> it's quiet. >> And the quiet just makes you feel like. where's Dave, >> man? Can I tell you something? Can I. tell you something? >> Your timing is this Uganda ON UGANDA.

VIOLENCE. I'M HERE [laughter] FOR IT. >> I'M here for it. >> All I'm waiting for Zoran to turn and do. is look at you and be like, "Why are you. Dave? [laughter]. >> Why are you Dave? Are you not Dave? [laughter]. Um, >> okay. So, help me help me understand why. you chose the three. The the freezing. the rent that I mean I hope is. self-explanatory to everybody. The cost. of living is it's unsustainable in New. York and in many places in the world.

>> If people cannot afford to live, then. they they don't even want to be part of. that society. >> The buses, >> help me understand why why faster buses. and free buses. So, these are the. slowest buses in America. Okay. >> Like what do you mean by that? Like the. speed that they go, right? We're talking. about an average speed. >> um in certain parts of Manhattan around. 5 miles an hour. >> That's like that's walking. >> You can beat Yeah. Yeah. >> Um and what we see is that more than a.

million New Yorkers ride the bus. >> Okay. >> It costs $2.90. That is out of reach for one in five New. Yorkers. >> Wow. So when you make the bus free, you. not only. provide economic relief where you ensure. that it's universally accessible, you. also actually make it safer. We did this at the state legislature. I've I've been a state assembly member. for a few years. >> Yeah. >> And I worked with uh Mike Garis, a state.

senator. We made five bus routes free in. New York City. When we made those bus. routes free after a year, assaults on. bus drivers dropped by 38.9%. >> On the bus drivers, >> on the bus drivers, because unlike the. train, the act of fair collection on the. bus happens on the bus. >> Yeah. It's their job and bus drivers and. and unions have shared anecdotally that. about 50% of assaults happen around the. fairbox. So when you eliminate the fair,

you make for a safer. >> experience for the bus driver, for. everyone on the bus. >> And what's fascinating, back to the. point you were just making about. perception and reality, >> is when they made a few bus routes free. in Boston under Mayor Woo's leadership, >> they found that even more than the. safety that was provided is that people. felt safer to even higher degree than. that. Right? We saw this as well in. Kansas City to varying extents in. different parts of the country. And it. has the economic benefits, has the. public safety benefits, and even has.

benefits of bringing people who would. otherwise be driving their car or taking. a taxi and getting them on the bus. >> More than 10% of the new riders on these. five bus routes were otherwise going to. use private. So it becomes economically. viable for them. >> And and I think what it comes back to is. that if you pair the making of the bus. free, which then also enables you to use. any door to board. You don't have to. wait behind anyone who's looking for. their metro card or used to be looking. for their coins. You can just board and. exit. You speed up the time at each bus.

stop. In Boston, you cut the dwell time. by 23%. So there's a speed that's. incorporated in this. And then the other. part of this is that the city owns its. own streets. The city can speed up a bus. through the infrastructure it chooses to. build or not to build. >> Got it. >> Bus lanes, busways, bus rapid transit. >> It's a political choice that that bus is. traveling at 5 miles an hour. >> You can make that bus be the most. obvious way to get around this city. Right now, so often New Yorkers are. taking the bus because they have no. other option. We want it to be such that.

it is the option you choose. So that's. what it comes back to. And the other. part of this is this is. disproportionately hurting working-class. New Yorkers. Yeah, >> rider the average salary of a bus rider. is around $30,000 a year, >> right? New Yorkers who are dealing with some of. the most substandard public transit and. it's a political choice. It feels like. New York has like many cities in the. world fallen into the trap of fixing. what needs to be fixed for the wealthy.

and then sort of ignoring or pushing. aside the problems that affect the poor. I mean I think about. I think about when you fly. >> Yeah. >> We have made it such a difficult. experience to go through TSA. >> Mhm. >> That there's now a financial incentive. to sign up for a separate program. Yeah. >> That can move you through it quicker. >> Yeah. >> I mean we have monetized the dysfunction. >> of flying. Do you think that's by design.

though? I'm going leave that to you and Dave, man. >> Yeah, convenience is up for sale. >> Absolutely. Convenience has been up for. sale for the last. >> But it's absurd to me that that you. should have to pay. for the experience that you should. already be getting. You already paid. this. Anyway, >> this is a this is a real question about. >> I thought you said no more questions. >> No, no. Oh, on that topic. >> Oh, on that topic. >> There's a real a real question on the.

buses. How come you didn't go with um. [clears throat] like the people who were. paying can who you know because some. people not don't mind paying but they. like they can pay in a way to keep the. revenue coming in and then people who. can't pay. >> this is a good question. >> can't pay then they have a way of like. >> this this is in effect a question about. universal approach versus means tested. means would say if you make a certain. income or less then you should eligible.

for a reduction in your fair or the. elimination of your fair. There already. exists a program in New York City called. fair far fairs where if you make a. certain amount of money or less, you'll. get a reduced fair. The MTA, by last. estimate, when they were testifying at. the state, they said about 40% of. eligible New Yorkers are enrolled. The. question was asked to them, what would. success look like? They said 50%. So. success looks like leaving 50% of your. eligible population out of your program.

And so whenever you create a means-ested. program, you are comfortable to some. level with saying goodbye to people who. would be eligible for it because you. know the hurdles of creating a. bureaucratic system of proving. eligibility, of applying, of receiving, and then of using versus if you make. something free at point of use, you. capture the entirety of everyone you're. looking to serve. And this is the. difference is that the safety of that. bus, the efficacy of how it is moving,

the question of the doors, all of this. is tied to the elimination of fair at. once. >> And when we made those five bus routes. free, >> we found the most significant increase. in riders was among New Yorkers making. $28,000 a year or less. >> They're already eligible for fair fars, >> but less than 20% of them were enrolled. in that program. So that to me is if if you are serious. about reaching everyone, >> Yeah. >> then here's how you do it. >> You know what it's similar to? Funny.

enough, it's it's similar to what I feel. like they're doing with voting in. America, >> right? They are systematically making it. harder and harder for people to vote, but basing it like the premise is no, no, no, it's super easy to vote. M. >> all you have to do is. >> all you have to do is All you have to do. is All you have to do is All you have to. do, you know what I mean? It's like get. this ID. Oh, but this new type of ID. needs this type of identification and. and then it's like, well, which ones do. you accept? Oh, your your gun one. Oh,

we take the gun one. NRA will work. Oh, but this one doesn't work and this one. Do you know what I mean? >> It should be to your point. >> Yeah. And more importantly, it's the. trick of saying it's free. you free to. enter, >> but then the process of coming in is not. really free. >> Do do you know what I mean? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> It's like the trick of the interns. Like. to be an intern, you've got to be a. pretty rich kid. >> I work for free. Yeah. But do you know. how much you have to earn to work for. free? [clears throat]. >> And I feel like that's that's that's. what you're tapping into with the with. the childare thing. Is is that is that a.

similar No, wait, wait, wait. A similar. principle is like with the child care. thing, what do you think? >> I mean, it seems obvious. Some people. would go and we've seen uh discussions. around this you know privatization and. they'll be like oh the private sector. should be dealing with this why is the. government getting involved in child. care shouldn't just you know companies. provide childare why do you think it's. important for the state to step in for. the for the city to step in. >> well look when the city and the state. doesn't step in companies have to put.

forward child care benefits childare. services why should that be a company's. job. >> you you are seeing companies having to. provide a service that should be. provided by the city and the state. I. mean quite literally you have companies. that have childare on site. You have. companies that are giving annual stipens. for you know paying towards child care. The point of this is that if we do not. treat this as the social crisis that it. is, it's we are going to make we're. going to pass this cost on. >> and this is actually a cost that we. should be bearing at a city and a state. level. And the average cost of childare.

in New York City for one child is. $22,500. >> But that's close to what you just said. the earning the average earning was for. I mean that's that's insane. >> It is cheaper to send that same child 18. years later to the City University of. New York. >> than it is to find childare for them. That's how expensive it is. And we often. talk about delivering universal childare. in the language of how much it will cost. and how difficult it will be. >> as if it doesn't already cost this city.

and state an immense amount. Today in. 2022. we lost $23 billion in economic activity. because of the absence of universal. childare. >> Explain how. >> because you had people leaving this. city, leaving this state after housing. The number one thing driving people out. of this city, childare. >> Wow. >> They're going anywhere they can find. childare for cheaper. And it's not just. people whose kids they can't get. childare for. It's also childcare. workers who cannot live off of the. average salary at a homebased setting of. $10 an hour. Yeah,

>> people cannot live off of that. And we. keep asking ourselves why, you know, why. why is it so hard to raise a family in. the city? It's like, look at the cost. >> Yeah. >> I was sitting on the M57, the slowest. bus in Manhattan, a few months ago, and. a city worker was seated behind me. She. started speaking to me about how she had. two kids. The only reason she could make. it work here was because her 84year-old. grandmother would take care of those. kids every single day. >> Yeah. And she told me that when her 84y.

old grandmother has to go to the doctor. or she feels sick, the only option this. mother has is that she has to take a. sick day from work cuz she can't afford. childare. >> We are pushing people out of this city. And frankly, people are feeling it when. they're making 40k a year. They're. feeling it when they're making 100k. They're feeling it 200k. Cuz $22,500. is an immense amount of money after tax. >> And we could be providing this. >> question. This is a real question. Real. question based on. >> We're going to run out of time. your. last question. Choose your last. question. Well, >> yes. Based on on child care, what is.

this going to look like? Uh like. practically, >> do you know I mean what is what does it. mean? >> Zoran's going to come look after your. child. >> No, man. Come on. You see, you are now. wasting my time. WHAT IS IT? >> THERE'S NEVER A WASTE OF TIME WHEN A. joke is in. Can we all agree? Never. >> There's Thank you. Never. Never. >> Jokes are never a waste of time. In. fact, >> never. Anyway, >> but do you know what is this? What does. it look like? Correct. By the way, practically, >> you will see a system that is building.

on the infrastructure we already have. >> And what that means is it's going to be. something built out that includes both. center-based care and homebased care. Right? There are many New Yorkers who. feel more comfortable sending their. child to a neighbor who is providing. child care for a few children on that. block. There are other New Yorkers who. prefer sending their child to a child. care center. And we can look at. universal prek, which we were talking. about earlier, as a model for both how. it took an immense cost burden off of. the backs of working families, but also.

how it stood up an entire. infrastructure. Because this is the. thing that's also missing in so much of. city government is a sense of urgency of. actually being able to scale something. up. And that to me, the commitment we've. made, delivering child care for New. Yorkers from ages 5 down to 6 weeks of. age. And so what we have right now is we. have universal prek. We have 3k in New. York City, but it is broken. The first. order of business is to fix 3K. And then. we look at 2K. We look at 1K. We look at. delivering child care for children right.

now that if their parents don't have the. money or they don't have a family. member, we see that those parents often. leave. I mean, 80% of New Yorkers with. children under five cannot afford. childare in the city. >> 80%. >> 80%. I. I find myself wondering about labels a. lot and how they limit our ability to. think, you know, because your name. synonymous socialist and then people are. trying to be disparaging communist and.

but you see it a lot. Oh, this social. he's trying to turn America into this. guy doesn't like. And yet every time I. hear you speak, you talk about how much. money the thing will generate for. businesses, for people themselves, for. >> Do you when you think of how people. process the label of socialism or the. idea behind it? Do you think they. themselves have an understanding of what. it actually means versus what they've. been told it means? Do do you get what. I'm saying? >> Yeah. I think as a as a Muslim.

socialist, I'm familiar with bad PR. It's. >> good old MS. [laughter]. >> You know, those damn MS's. >> It's it's a long journey to explain. Um, but I think, you know, many people have. caricatures in their head as to what it. means. >> Yeah. >> I often turn to Dr. King to to describe. socialism. He said, "Call it democracy. or call it democratic socialism. There. must be a better distribution of wealth. for all of God's children in this. country. It comes back to dignity. It.

comes back to ensuring that whatever you. need to live a dignified life that you. have that you should not be priced out. of a necessity. We're not talking about. want or like. We're talking about need. >> You should not be priced out of of of. being able to have a home to call your. own, of being able to send your kid to. school, being able to ride the bus. And. I've found actually that when you're. speaking to New Yorkers onetoone, they've actually had far fewer questions. of how I describe my politics and far. more of does my politics include them?

Do are their struggles part of my focus? And and I found that there are many. people who might describe themselves in. a different way, but when I speak about. what this would mean for New York City, they start to see themselves in that. vision. And that's I think the key of. this is how is this a politics that. actually reflects the struggles of. working people. >> Do you think your politics and your. campaign connected with people because. you actually connected with people? >> I I think a lot of it also had to do.

with the incredible team I had around. me. >> Yeah. >> To be honest, I I someone was asking me. the other day about people trying to. make videos the way that we made videos. Uh, and I was saying that part of it is. it it misunderstands that it's not as. much who's in front of the camera, it's. also who's behind the camera. You can. see a distinct moment in the campaign. when I stopped making the videos. [laughter]. >> It's the moment when the campaign became. legitimate. >> Right. >> Right. >> And I and I think that that that losing. sight of the collective and thinking.

it's all about the individual, it means. you lose sight of how this campaign was. built. >> All right, your team is telling us we. got to wrap up. Do you promise. >> even talk about. >> that? That's why I'm saying do you. promise to come back? Make let give give. me one. That's the only promise I want. Dave wants ambulances. >> I promise to come back. >> Do you promise to come back? You don't. have to, by the way. You can say no and. then I don't [laughter]. >> Then I don't have the promise. >> This is my only way. >> No, no, no. Then I don't have the. promise. I don't mind. >> I do the promise. >> All right. Then I. >> I'll take three minutes and and then. I'll let you go. Here's a few things. >> I wanted to talk about. >> Yeah. Yeah. Go. >> I want to talk about Cape Town.

>> Yeah. >> They really have to go like right now. Your team is like right What did you. want to talk about? Cape Town and. >> Cape Town and. >> Casper Novest. >> Open the door and come get him. Casper. Novest. >> I wanted to talk about Qua. >> Wow, this guy's deep in this guy's deep. in South Africa. >> I want to talk about Ricky Rick. This. guy. >> Rest in peace to Ricky Rick, man. >> Boss Zonke. >> Yeah. Love that song. >> You know, you know, and I want to figure. out how we can get major league DJs on. Spotify. >> You know what we're going to do? >> I have listened to Slice on YouTube.

>> This guy, we're going to do a trilogy. This was just the policy stuff. Part two, we're going to do Zoron's life. stuff. >> Also, we're having the elections of. mayor of Joberg next year. >> Part three, just South Africa. >> if you're available. Thank [laughter]. you. Thank you. Thanks for Thanks for. taking him. >> It would be so It would be so funny if. you've just got like a dinner. reservation. [laughter]. >> That would be so blazing. >> I wish. >> No, no, no. I would. I'm just saying it. would be funny. Anything for a joke. I. don't care if you take him if this ends. in a joke. If Zoran's like, "I got to.

go. I got to go. Go." And then he gets. in like for two. Table for two, please. And then he [laughter] gets it. >> Me and Shabala. >> Y. >> man, Zoran Mandani, thank you very much. Take take your man away. To be. continued. We've never ended a podcast. like that. That'll be dope. To be. continued, part one. [music]. This episode is presented by Whole Foods. Market. Whole Foods Markets has. everything you need for the holidays. Whether you're [music] a guest or.

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