There’s No I In Trevor Noah | What Now? with Trevor Noah Podcast

Social media is, is so multifaceted. Right? So sometimes you're using social media. to connect with family that are living abroad. Sometimes you're living say you're on social media. It's used to get you a WhatsApp is the way I would ban WhatsApp. Why would you ban WhatsApp? Why? What's up? What's what's up African auntie, let's what have you done to you? They just love a bit of WhatsApp. Let me tell you something. During Covid nothing says photos faster. Listen, Ben. Yeah, the misinformation that African aunties spread about. Covid during Covid, it actually is one of the biggest.

It's one of the biggest spreaders. But you know why it became that. They were like goggle was salt and vinegar. instead of getting the vaccine. And I'm like, this is not going to work. That's just you've got a that's just the wrong family. That's not my fault. That's that's just talking about who you grew up. That's. No, no. Okay. It's all of the people on my WhatsApp aren't saying anything like that, that you're in the wrong WhatsApp it. Well, maybe I'm in the right way. Yeah, a bit of the right WhatsApp. You're listening to what now? The podcast where I chat to interesting people.

about the conversation's taking over our world today on the podcast. My favorite question if I ruled the world. We love a good thought exercise on what now? And this is one of our favorite questions to ask with friends. If you were in charge and you could change one thing. about anything schools, airports, commerce, restaurants, whatever it may be, what would you change? Well, we've got three folks on the show today. with three massive ideas, maybe terrible ideas.

Who knows? We'll see either way. Joining me writer, journalist and professional hater Cristiana. Medina and one of our very own executive producers. and my good friend and fellow football watcher. Yes, you say soccer fan Winston. Let's get into it. This is what now. with Trevor Noah.

I was trying to think of like, what the music is this playing before? The thing is. And how her choice to sing it for you. That's actually really good. I think real talent. I mean, it's it's almost. It's almost like you did it. Welcome to the podcast, everybody. How you doing? Good. Terrific. You paused for such a long time. Yeah. Because we've got key pause. Do you pause because you're English or did you pause.

Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's probably a British. It really is. Well, we were being polite. I was sort of going, ladies first. You can say how you are. And then. Yeah, I know it. Oh wow. And now I'm. going to apologize for spoiling because wow it was the composing. Well happy politics day everybody. I mean this is an all colonial edition I guess. it's like degrees of colonization. Yeah. We have the colonizer. we have one who was integrated into into the colony, and then one who was just oppressed but has has made his way out.

I'm not going to come across well in this polity. That's how it is. That's how you said. You mean you're the colonizer? Okay, Madame, I know that was fun. this is fun. Actually, this is fun. This is fun, Ben, we we barely get to speak to you. because you're always, like, off doing something. Like, if there was an asteroid coming to Earth now, you would probably be asked to produce it. as a as a concept, like, they'd be like, the world's ending. We would like to get Ben Winston to produce this for us. Yeah. The final ending concert of the world.

It's lovely to be here, Trevor. When 14 people have said they can't make it. And then I get that cool. It's like he's already. the producer of the pod no one else is about. We want to do it in person. Let's just do that, dude. Oh, that's that's fake humility. Then. That's fake humility. And as always, as always, the rose amongst the thorns. I love that phrase. Christiana. How are you, friend? I'm good, I'm good. Feeling good. Being a rose. I'm normally like the thorn. What?

Where are you? The thorn? I just I'm just like I'm a friend with the opinions. It destroys the greenery. It's funny, I feel like. I feel like you've lived and maybe you've lived. in, like, the Western world for too long. Because if you were in South Africa, many parts of Africa, I feel like you would be like the the the friend. Yeah, of course, because it's just like they like chaos. Yeah. I mean like, think about Joseph. Like our friend from Uganda. Oh, we need to have him on. Literally. There was a group text that was sent out to our soccer group, and, they didn't mention his name, but they said, hello, gentlemen.

Please note that this is a casual game. and nobody needs to be instructive and stop telling other people. that they're useless and what they need to improve on. And I sent it to him. And in classic just as a joke, this is just is definitely directed to you. And he was like, oh, first time I've been called a gentleman. he wasn't even. fazed because I think as Africans, we blunt, we like whatever. I'm not about being polite or anything. How are you doing, though? I'm good. Where have you been? Where have I been? My favorite CIA asset. Oh, wow. You always ask that question in such an accusatory way.

I'm sorry. And no, it's fine. It's fine because I feel like you're up to mischief. You know what? You're not wrong. You know where I am in the world is generally for a mischievous reason. And where I am in the world is actually the perfect question. to ask for our brand new segment. It's time for we're in the world, brought to you by T-Mobile, who can help you experience travel better. They have a whole host of travel perks that you'll love, whether you're on a day trip or your dream trip.

Okay, I've debated whether or not I should tell you this. Oh well, this is one of those moments in life where I like to be honest. with my friends. Okay? But I also like to be right. By the way, if a man tells you. he likes to be honest, that means he's a liar. But what? I can't believe you'd say that's. It's just that when men are like, oh, I'm really honest. No, I didn't say I'm really honest. I said, I like to be honest. There's a difference. All right. What's that got to do with where you've been?

I've been traveling. Yeah, quite a bit. Yeah. And part of my travels, I had a meeting. and a conversation with, the, the assistant. assistant, director of military operations at the CIA. So, yeah. Interesting. Is that what you've been doing? You've been having conversations with the CIA? I think you've truncated everything. I've said and made it sound a lot more. clickbaity than than it is.

What did you make the CIA about again? You've just moved on from. You've now made it the whole organization. I just met an individual. Lovely, lovely gentleman. Okay. And yeah, it was just I. But I wanted to tell you this because if I, if I admitted it, I would always feel. like I'd kept something from you that sort of made you right. And why did he reach out to you? You see, these are like, this is not. It's not like he reached out. We just happened to be. in the same place and we were having a conversation. You have a strange life.

Where the places that come on so strange, like, I've been to other places where I saw you recently. We bumped it. We literally bumped into it in an airport? Yes, in Dubai. It was in Dubai. I wasn't in Dubai, I was flying. You were coming from Abu Dhabi. I was coming from Abu Dhabi, and I was flying to LA. And then we just happened to be texting. I was like, where are you? Just I've just landed in Dubai. And I was like, I'm in Dubai airport. You're like, so am I. And we met at like the business center. Yes, we did indeed. And we had like a lovely 20 minutes. It was so bizarre. I love those like encounters in those meetings, just randomly bumping into people in the world.

But you had been in Bhutan. Yeah. The load of monks. Yeah. Bhutan, Japan. And now you like the CIA? Like it didn't involve the CIA. And I was traveling and enjoying good coverage. So let's jump into the podcast. But remember, I want to tell you that that segment was brought to you by T-Mobile, who can help you experience travel better with perks like free. in-flight Wi-Fi so you can watch your favorite movies from 30,000ft. Plus, you can return your dollar rental car without the hassle of refueling.

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which is really exciting for me. because sometimes I think we limit ourselves in how we think, because we think through the lens of what is and what could be. And every now and again, I like to think to myself, what would I do if I ruled the world? And that's when I find the magic happens. That's when the true magic happens. So I'm going to kick it off. so I've been thinking about it this week. If I ruled the world. I know this is going to be controversial, but if I ruled the world, I would shut down social media. It's done. It's finished.

There is no more. Oh! Oh. Oof! Considering especially people are probably. watching a lot of this on social media. Yeah, it's done it, but it feels like you're. being hypocritical because how much stuff? You know, I'm not being hypocritical at all. All of it. Yeah. Now let's be clear about what I consider social media. So it is, Instagram, Facebook, Snapchat, TikTok, Twitter. and are there any others that we chat? Just like, I don't think social. That's I'm big on truth social I love I love Truth Social.

As the white member, this panel. I actually I'm huge on what's it like over that. is where the truth is. Wow. And it's social. Wow. It's true social. Do they know that you're Jewish? no, I hide that, I hide that, I hide. I thought I was hiding it from this podcast as well. Apparently not announced yet. So. So you're going to explain why you want to ban. Okay. So did. But we also put you at the same time need to acknowledge the many.

incredible things that happen, okay. Because of society. So this is what I think we do sometimes in society that is, you know, like there's this idea and I think it's neuroscientists, have have stated this. and psychologists, they've said that as human beings, we overestimate how happy something will make us. And we underestimate how unhappy something can make us right. I think social media is falls into one of those categories. We take for granted how unhappy it has made us as a as a civilization.

We take for granted how much it's hurt us, how much it. And I'm so I'm not saying it hasn't brought the good things, but I think the good things are far outweighed by the bad. My issue is we talk about TikTok and all these algorithms. knowing us well, I think the thing we take for granted. is that we're creating a feedback loop. with the data that we're putting out, because the data. that we're getting in, what you don't realize. is happening to you is, for the most part, the algorithm is. contracting your view of the world and leaving you in a world.

where you like the things that you like, and it's just giving you slight versions. of the things that you like that you give them. Say, I do, and I worry about what it's. going to do to us as a society, as a I want what it's already done. Now, I know some people are going to say, oh, but Trevor, I mean, because of social media, I know what's happening in the world. Yeah, we knew what was happening in the world before social media, did we though? We did, we did. But hold on, we did know when you when you ask me about things, I'll tell you if I knew I had them. But here we've given the social media. Yes. And listen, I one of the things I was thinking about in the lead up.

was maybe banning social media for kids who are under 16. and actually just letting them never have smartphones, but only have phones where we can reach them. and find out where they are. Because I don't think there's any good to be had from that. But essentially, back in the day, Pre-social media people. would get their news. Yeah, from five organizations that would decide. how to tell that news. And we have to acknowledge that now we are giving the individual power. to tell their story that you're now taking away from them. Yes. I hear what you're saying, which is works for your dictatorship,

but might not work for the world. I hear what you're saying, and, I love you as my friend, but you're wrong. So the reason I say you're wrong with such confidence, Ben, is because I'm not saying that I will get rid of the internet's. The internet's still provides everybody the opportunity to, in some way, shape or form, share their opinions. Social media has created a specific machine, an algorithm that is tasked with one thing in particular, and that is keeping our attention, keeping us engaged.

So I'm agreeing with you. Yes, there were maybe like five networks, but I think that would change. You know, cable news comes like cable television, cable, whatever. But then there's also the internet. We can go on the internet, you can search something. There will be other websites, there'll be other news, etc.. Because in the same way that you're saying social media. has given individuals the opportunity to tell their stories, I think it's also robbed us. of a collective understanding of what reality actually is. And I know, I know that I'm sacrificing some things,

but the things that I think we're benefiting from. are the fact that reality starts to come back together. because your feed can feed you a reality that isn't completely real. How many times have people like, let's look at just the conflicts. You want to be delusional? Yeah, yeah, you're in an echo chamber. Happy that the thing is you're unhappy there. I argue, but life is suffering. Like people are going to be unhappy. Trevor. Like, with or without the social. Now, honestly, I think they're going to be unhappy. And I'd rather than be unhappy on their phones.

then out in the real world doing real damage. Okay, think of it this way Pre-social media. You are a crazy person somewhere in the world. Yeah, you have a crazy idea. How do you connect with other crazy religion and you have a very hard on. But people had cults. People very hard. So you're so, so it's very hard to really raise the threshold. Is that when you're saying yes to back in the day, a crazy person had to be on the corner. holding a flier, telling you. why you have to join this thing to end the government.

That is what you're saying. And again, I'm okay with it. if you want to be that kind of dictator. But what you're essentially saying, I don't like the fact that you're calling me a dictator. You will very loudly sat in a room with your name everywhere. I just said, but I just said, no, no, no, can't move for Trevor Noah. Yes, yes, yes. But it says with Trevor Noah. with it's small and you are with us, you are with, I am with. And I think it's important to remember that. Okay. But my point is, if you're saying there's mad people. who we're giving a voice to, what you're essentially saying. is you want to clamp down on free speech.

Yeah. Censorship. I'm not saying that you are. You are because you're saying this crazy people. on the street corner, we're now giving them a megaphone. I'm not disagreeing with you that way, I don't. Musk paid you, Ben. Oh, no, I'm not. I'm all about the TikTok dances. You know me. That's why I don't really. think of all of the avocado toast recipes I'm going to miss out on. So I'm just saying that your reason, on the one hand, is because we're unhappy and I can take that. and then you moved on to the algorithm is damaging. And now you're saying there's crazy people on the corner. giving a megaphone to that's a wide spread bullets you're going with, because I think it's a widespread of bullets that's affecting us.

So let's break them down really quickly. So I'll give them to you as a list of reasons I say we should get rid of. It's right in my world if I rule the world. Number one, misinformation and disinformation spreading at a rate that is far, far, far quicker than any other traditional media could be. Number two, limiting people's ability. to live a life online that is making them more alone, more lonely, and feel artificially connected when in fact they're not. That's fair. Right? Because it presents it presents the veneer of connection.

that isn't, in fact, their number three I would go with. It's fracturing our collective reality. Now, I'm not saying we have to agree on it or disagree. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying. we all have to agree that it happened or it didn't happen. And I think. social media is fracturing that social media is breaking it down. I'm not saying my world would be perfect, Trevor. Don't you think? They're like, wait, so neither of you agree with me here, but wow, you guys are parents. By the way, the reason I don't agree, because I just.

You're going to wish your kids lived in my kingdom. Listen, maybe the world's a mess. I don't disagree, but I think social media is just exposing. how fractured we are already. What most people never had a real sense of collective reality. No. How can you say this? Honestly, people? The graphs for loneliness. The graphs for loneliness. If you look at it, if you look at it as a graph. Yeah, all that's happened like it's I would say from the industrial. revolution, that's when it really starts to go up. But if you look at loneliness from social media times, it's.

it's scary, isn't it? Because we live in this like techno hyper capitalistic culture. where people have to work very, very, very valid, don't have money. for like holidays and being very valid, living very valid. Even if people didn't have social media, they wouldn't have the means for connection. because we're in this capitalist hellscape. I can agree with many, but I can agree with many. Social media is just a reflection of like these kind of dystopian, angry times we're in. You know what my favorite part of social media is?

Close friends on Instagram. That little button. Have you ever used the little close friends? Because then it can just be the 15 of you. that you allow into your world, and then it's not a status thing. It's not a opinionated thing. It's just it's just a little close community just putting it out there. So lots of good things about social media, lots of good things I follow. I met my husband on Twitter. Where there you go, people. People. Okay. Yes, yes, I'm trying to understand her husband on Twitter. Guys, let's go with you saying let's go. Are you saying that you wouldn't want the children to exist?

Oh, I believe you. Just because you met. your husband on Twitter does not mean Twitter is now a good thing. A good thing can come from a bad thing. There are people who've met like someone they like in prison. I don't like prisons. I'm not cheering for prisons. I'm so sorry. He's being separated. Yeah, tell me about it. I think there's lots of negative things. One of the things that I was thinking about genuinely was like, in the things when you said, let's do it, about what we would change. I was going to say, let's ban social media for a. So now let me ask you this question. Let me ask you this. Why would you ban it for under sixteens.

and not for over sixteens, if it is such a good thing for the world? I didn't say was such a good thing for the world. I said, I don't think it needs to be banned, if I remember correctly. I think it to be regulated. If we rewind the tape, you will hear Ben Winston say, I love it. It is the best thing in the world. I want to dance with dictators. See, that's the problem with I. You've made me say that. No, I never said that. No, but really, why would you dance with the CIA? Why would you ban it? I would ban it because I actually think. the biggest problem with social media isn't about what you've said. I actually think the biggest problem with it is the insecurity.

that kids feel and the bullying that can happen on there. And that's what worries me about social media far. more than like an adult reading a Twitter feed. And they should just know better to believe and research facts. that they're getting that of true or false. So if I'm hearing you correctly, you're saying that. children are affected by the bullying. and the shaping of their reality, but adults are not. I think adults have a freedom. of being able to not feel as pressurized.

And if they want to enter into that world. where they're bullied, like when people say, and this is going to. this is going to be brutal. And I say this, but I'm saying anyway, like, you know, when people go in the news and they're like, I've had death threats. I've had death threats on my Twitter, I've had death threats. I'm like, what's don't go on Twitter. We're not talking about somebody sending a letter to your house. where they've cut up like magazine letters and like, I'm not just saying like some dickhead on Twitter. who's like, I'm like, just don't go on social media. if it's so upsetting for you. But like, for me, I had.

I was on a flight yesterday at an hour to kill. I went on TikTok and you said it every time? No, I had a lovely time. I looked at Arsenal scores. I watched clips, the algorithm. What is frightening about. it is the algorithm now knows me better than I know me. Yeah, because like, it started sending me this show about a pawn. shop. Not not like sexual pawn when correct. Which I know it's like from the 90s. This shop, this pawn shop in Detroit. and it's decided TikTok that I will like it. And it's right I really do. And now I'm like, I it's showing me that it knows what.

I like more than I would if I saw that on a cable. Yeah, but I'm not going to watch that. And now I'm reaching out. Banettes. So the algorithms to precise another reason. for such a precise algorithm. Do you not worry that, you wouldn't be here if it wasn't social media? Would you have become without social media. and without people going, oh, I love that guy. I want to hear him talk about this. It's unlikely that you have had the success that you've had. We would not be sat here today on your. with with your name on the mugs if it wasn't for social media. So are you not worried about the fact that you're.

cutting the hand that feeds you? What's the expression? I am willing to accept that there will be some things. we lose in society, because now you got the house and cars, you know. No no no no no no no. I mean that honestly, I mean that honestly, I go. I think sometimes it's hard for us to think about. the possibility of a better future because we haven't lived in it. And I don't even mean this in like a dark way. Yeah. Like if I didn't grow up in an abusive household, I might not be here with you. Right? But would I want that for myself? Are you saying that abuse primed you for a friendship with men,

which in many ways, it did. In many ways it did. Okay, what I'm saying is, what I'm saying is, like, I do not think that we have to accept something bad. because there has been good that has come out of it. There will always be good that comes out of bad things. Okay. But in my world, if I ruled it, I would get social media. and I would ban it. We would still have the internet, we still have TV and radio. I'm not. I'm not like creating North Korea people. Yeah. No, no, you would just have to learn your own dances.

Oh in your own world. And I miss it so much. And you'd have to discover TV shows on your own. So. Okay. Votes ban. Are you in my world or not? No. No, I'm afraid no, I think you're. I think I know I wouldn't want to ban social media. It's okay. Because I think whenever you take something away. Yeah, you create a vacuum that's filled with something else. And I worry. more about what will fill that vacuum than what we will have by it. Okay. All right. And I also think Christiane would never meet her husband. You would never been sat here. necessarily, because if it weren't for all of this, fine.

But all of you do all of this. Do all of this. Cristiana, are you are you voting for my world or not? No, no. And your reason is, I just think that humans are going to suffer anyway. And I'd rather suffer in a world where I can doomscrolling. on TikTok at 1 a.m. in the morning. Okay. Well, Well, okay. On that positive. I'm on that positive note. So let's, we'll take a quick break and then when we come back. let's see what would happen if Christiana ruled the world. And then we got to see what would happen if Ben ruled the world.

And yes, a great place for. We'll see. We'll see. We'll be right back. We're going to continue this conversation. right after the short break. Okay. So, I created the perfect World, and neither of you want to live in it. Although you will send your kids to live in my world until they're 16. Which tells me a lot. Which tells me a lot. Yeah. Christiana. Yeah? What would you do if you ruled the world?

If I ruled the world, I would abolish private schools. Wow. And say that every child goes. to a school assigned by a blind lottery. So you don't know where in your city or your district. where your child would go to school. Because I believe that would incentivize. rich parents to make sure all schools are good, because you don't know where your child is going to end up. And I would make it mandatory for people in the community. to volunteer in the school.

You'd have to get like a CRB check. We'd have to make sure you're not a pedophile. or a weirdo and stuff like that. Abolish private schools. Trevor, without children, probably never considered schooling. or what it would be. I'm sorry I sent 20 years of my life in school, my friend. I'll have you know that. Okay, so it's not a lot about school. So a lot of my schools, I spent half of my life in schools. I'll be honest, my initial instinct is, yes, like you, you know, I, I like this idea quite a bit, but but let me ask you a few questions.

Sure. Are you afraid that you'll. rob kids of commun? See, because a lot of the time, schools. represent the communities that they're in. And while they may not be perfect. when it comes to the education that they dole out, but I do think we shouldn't take for granted. what it feels like to be in a school that is part of your community, and what it's like to hang out with kids. that speak your languages or come from your cultures or, you know, you know what I mean?

How would how would you deal with my count? Or is it, like most rich people, like the idea of a neighborhood. school is collapsed for rich people, it doesn't exist. Rich people like will drive in L.A. they'll go 45 minutes across so many places. So a fancy private school and be like, I don't want you to be around these, but I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about, let's say, the poor middle class. Oh, that's even better. They need to be able to be like, this is who's probably going. to be your boss, perhaps, right? They need to be integrated and be exposed to how, like the wealthy and affluent people live,

I'm actually doing this social experiment. where everyone gets thrown into the blender together earlier. because the problem is it happens too late. It happens if you're really lucky, if you're a poor kid, maybe you get to go to an elite college, okay? And you get then you have a miserable time. because you're like, who are these people? They've played sports I've never played. They have references I don't understand, and it's an isolating experience. Or you get to meet them in the workplace and you're like, oh, I don't want to be around these people. They like air conditioning, so it's cold. Why do white people want to be cold all the time?

If you go to school with them, you're like, oh, white people like to be cold and you get used to it, you know? Okay. Very cold. Yeah. Here's a, here's a here's a thought that I have, though. Yeah, but here's, here's a thought that I have. when I'm making the assumption. that your opportunities in life come from your school. Yeah. When in fact, there may just be a correlation. between who goes to these schools. and the opportunities that they receive. Well, that's why I'm saying if it's a lottery, that's just a lottery for the school. Yeah, it's a lottery for the school. So you could be like the poorest kid in the city.

Yes. Sitting next to the kid of, say, Bill gates. Right, right. Bill gates is going to make sure that's a good school. I, I, I hear you on it. The spread of opportunities, the speakers. that you get, the school, the sports you do it. The school. Yeah. The computers you use. Trust me. I'm just trying to spot one of the opportunities I love. You're allowed to parents because parents you're allowed to donate. Well. So yeah. No, I'm saying. no know because that's what you're saying. You know I see what you've done. So I'm I'm just see what you've done. because then you're turning it into a private. No, no,

but that's what. a lot of these like good public schools are essentially right. They are privatized public schools in good neighborhoods. Because then your kids at that school, you need to be able to afford a $2 million house, then. jump in with your point. Oh, no, this is like watching a football match and I see a counter attack. Wait wait wait wait wait. So what it does, I actually don't care as much about like, the parents. giving their money to parents who can afford to give their time. The mothers and the fathers. Let me be politically correct who bake things. You know, all these people that look out. for the teachers, like that type of like social capital.

The thing that is like very intangible. Most parents, I would I want those parents. to be involved in your children's lives. Well, no, I was going to say that the issue you're bringing up is, on the one hand, we're saying we don't want private schools. and we don't want extra funding for certain schools. But then, on the other hand, you're going a kid consenting. to Bill gates, his kid. And then they got lucky because Bill gates. then funds the school and then essentially well, no, he does. You said he put his money. No, no, I mean, to put his money in to make sure that schools could. hold on. And if so, then when he's funded that school,

then that school suddenly becomes the Bill gates. Now, y'all in charter school. I don't want charter schools. No, but you're actively seeking donations from alongside. Oh, no donation, no donation. Oh, wow. There was no donation. But then you want Bill gates to bake rather than donate? No, no, no, because I'm like, when you go to and I say this as someone who like. for primary school, it wasn't the best school. Secondary school was a very okay school. But I ended up doing well in life. My son goes to a really nice school, right? Yeah. And the level of investment I just me personally from the parents.

and the time they can give, I'm like, oh it makes a difference and not all kids have that school. Kids have parents that work nights. So knock on effect for the government funding for schooling. If we put your plan into place, if you ruled the world, where are you going. to get the absolute millions that it takes? Because where they get the money for the ball, I agree. I mean, you see, those are the, the, the bomb money with the bombs or the other or the. My point. No, no, no Cristiano, I think it's the money. They had the money when they wanted us all. to take the Covid vaccine shot, which I took. I'm not an anti-vaxxer, guys.

But before you get on me, I've got the money now, Joe Rogan. The money. I'm saying the money is. You're right, you're right. They spent $6 trillion on the F-35 jet. That didn't work. They've got the money. Money? Such a ridiculous way of playing politics. They going, I'm going. Let's create a huge problem that they're not. Then why are we creating the problem? Because investing in children is a problem. No, quite the opposite. Okay, wait, wait. I would say you're actually investing less in chores. No, I'm investing more. Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait. I'll say this and then you speak, and then we'll go from there.

So I think what Christiana is saying, if you misinterpret how the money moves, it can seem like you're creating a gap. But if you look at how we currently run schools, let's say in America in. many parts of the world is different. But in the US, for the most part, a school success or failure if it's not private, is determined. by the zip code that it exists within. Yeah. In Christiana world, if I'm correct and you correct me if I'm wrong, I think what Christiana is saying is our tax dollars now.

become amortized. and you can't just aim rich neighborhood money into one school. where they now. have like random programs like lacrosse, donkey dancing. Yeah. Which is excess money vibes. And it goes to all the schools and so she's saying because of that, because all schools will get all money. and all parents will have kids in all schools. All parents will want all schools to be good. because they don't know where their kid will end up. So it's not more money, it's just the money will be spread out differently. Yeah, yeah. I'm not sure that's right, because I think that private schooling essentially means that.

there is a load of government money that is not needed. because it's taken care of. by those wealthier parents who can afford private schools, let's say. And I don't know the percentage, what percentage. would you think go to private schools over public schools, people of money, not a people. Let's say in America, people is nothing. But money is the thing I'm worried about. My point is, is that that amount of money is coming from the parents. It's not coming from the government. Yeah, we don't care. But let's say it's 10% schools now. You're taking that 10% and you're creating that burden on the state. So that's that's no.

Because now you're having to spread. like how much investment you're making. and you're not allowing donations from parents in your system. So suddenly an education system that was already stretched, that didn't have money, you're now getting all of those people. that were willing to pay for education. So it wasn't our government problem. Now you are. So this is what I'm saying. So like in LA, like in L.A. right now, they are under enrolled because a combination of Covid people. leaving California and all this stuff. And that's like a lot of schools are at risk of closure. This is true. And when we say you can no longer have that route.

of plucking your child out of the system, it creates a different set of expectations of the government. So parents like yourself are going to be like, you're going to make sure that's a good school, right? Forget the money. It's never about the money. The systems are underserved. There aren't actually enough students. like the schools are under enrolled. And by the way, I'm it's actually I just want to say that this is a. thing that I find a lot of affluent black and Asian parents, like, have a dilemma about something. I think about a lot that how what are your kids? What's your oldest? So my oldest kid is four right now.

My youngest is ten months. And the funny thing is with the public, schools are really good. They're not very diverse. Right. But the private schools are more diverse. So like now it's like, I want to send you to a good school, right? And in my mind I'm like, okay, public school, great option free. But there's a risk you'd be the only black kid in the class. Private school. That's not the case. You've got black kid. Asian kid just got the money and the private school is really there. Like we care about diversity and inclusion for our school brochure. Yeah. They're like, yeah, you know, so they're like, we make sure we like.

we want to have everything like but we like, we've got a nonbinary Latino kid with full force. What are you going to do? No, I mean, like, I don't know what I'm going to do. You haven't decided. I don't know what I'm going to do. Okay. I want to ban them. So. So wait, wait, wait. So here's something I would want to ask about your. your your magical world. Right? This is you ruling this world. Unfortunately, when you look at history, you will see that time and time again if you. try to do this type of system, people who are rich, people who may be a little bit racist.

I'm not even saying racist people. I'm just saying a little bit racist. Like, you know, just like like spring. Yeah. Just sprinkled with racism, racism. Those types of people will find ways. to get their kids out of or into something else. Yeah, yeah. Let's look at a recent example. Covid. Covid came. Yeah, a lot of parents didn't agree with what was happening. And what did these parents do? They were like, you know what? We're actually taking our kids. out of this little zoom system you have. and we're going to create little pods. I believe you now may create with your system.

Yeah, you may actually create a bootleg, a movement of schools. where parents are going to be underground with like, species lessons that's happening in this country already. You know, you've got this homesteading. movement, unschooling movement, homeschool. Maybe you don't think yours would accelerated more. Well, I think I think there's always going to be like the people who say, I'm going to pull my kid out. I'm going to try and get around the system. But most humans, especially parents, are lazy. This is what you underestimate. People are very lazy and no one wants to be with their kid all day.

Oh my god, no no no. It's like if you're like, okay, you say to the moms and the dads, you have to be a parent who teaches your kid that they'd. rather kill themselves, so. they're going to start it. I'm sure some people be like, okay, we're going to do our pod week two. They're going to be like, send these bastards back to that integrated lottery school, and they're going to figure out, I think I will. I'll throw this last thing for myself out. Just from history. You would think this would be the case, but. don't ever forget, America used to have public swimming pools.

They were everywhere. Yeah. People would go to the corner, they would jump in the pool. See you at the pool, Bobby. See you at the pool, Jimmy. Everybody loved the public pool. You watched movies from back then? Yeah. There was always a public pool. That's where the bully was. I'm going to punch you. And then one day, America passed a law. And America said these pools should also be open to black children. And the black children came to the pools. And initially there was just a little bit of racism.

People being like, you shouldn't be here. You're making the water. Black people peed in the water. while they were in it, some people threw acid in, etc. but even though even that, even as that died down, what happened to the pools? They started closing. They stopped getting funding. people were like, I don't know if we need pools. And what happened at that exact time. Private pools started going up. The idea of having a private body of water. in your house was a crazy concept pre the 1960s,

and now everyone's like, I want a house with the pool. I want boy, because there is no pool. And I think what you may be creating unintentionally is a world. where those same people will go, okay, actually, why are schools even a thing in our society? Maybe we should close schools down. I mean, we're kind of on the road there with the charter, but I think yours, I think yours would literally, as we say. in South Africa, Ebony like lights off instantly. It would just be like an exodus. And we'd look back and go, wow, you remember,

you know, there used to be a time. when there were schools, public schools and people like, I can't believe it, and they'd all be gone. And so that is why I would not be voting for your world. Wow. I'm fortunate. I think there are many great the ideas behind it. Yeah, I love, but I would, as much as I would love to see Bill Gates's kid. sitting next to like some other kid from like Compton. who's telling him why Kendrick won the beef. Ben, I'm still reeling from the pulse thing. I thought people just shut them down because you got Veronica's.

from people. Didn't go to public schools. rubber soccer. So I was a kid. All that horrible fungus. Oh, I be hypocritical, in a way, for me to vote for it. As someone who went to a Jewish primary school. and then a private secondary school and, like, really enjoyed my. Oh, what do you see? No, no, no. Before before we go to your vote, actually tell us more about that. It's a it's a tricky one, I think. I think it gave me a lot of, I think religion was always. a really big part of my upbringing and my family's life.

and our heritage and our history, and actually getting that education. between the ages of four and 11, of who we were. and where we'd come from, kind of helped my identity even today. So I think that there be a big part of me. and the way I run my life every day that would be missing. if I hadn't have gone to that Jewish primary school. And because I'm happy with, like, how things have showed up in my life. and not tied up, I wouldn't really want to change that or tweak that. But I do think there is always a responsibility to make sure.

that children are exposed to always way of life. However, that is, especially if they're in an insular school system. but I also think you make really good points about about. what you're saying with the community spirit of everybody. being part of the same thing going forward. So I'm, I'm kind of on the fence. I'm voting more against it them for. Yeah, but I'm closer to voting for this than I ever. I'm banning social media like Travis. The thing is, what you said about, the primary school you went to. when you don't have a child of that experience in the classroom with you.

It's feels like an abstraction. That's true. And that's something I worry about, not just for my child's own identity. as being black and Latino, like how he views himself, but then other people, if you're only in a very insular world. where you don't see much outside of that, I think so. here's the one way, the one way I would augment my vote for you. If your world was school swap, I would be in. So if you said for like two months of every year, kids. all go to a different school, then I would then I would be in.

This is like a premise of like a Hollywood movie. I mean, we'll make it. That's just it. It's a no vote for me, but I think it's a no from a oh, I think it's an outright I made a piece for me, but I made a valid point. It's a. you've brought up great points that we genuinely, as parents need to think about about how, like how we approach things and how we don't just push. everybody else out of the way to get what we need for our children. And there is a sense of community and integration. that's needed in the school system that currently maybe does. Yeah, I feel like we should be equally invested in everyone's.

children, not just because when that child grows up. and rubs you, you're going to have some opinions on it. Yep. That's every rubber, every child. Don't ever forget that. Okay. Like with that we're going to take a quick break. We're going to come back with the final one Ben Winston. Oh now if I ruled the world. don't go anywhere because we got more. What now after this.

All right. This is it. We're back. Time for the final. If I ruled the world so far, we got two nos. Yeah. Ben and Christiana voted against me. Clearly, the Empire Strikes Back. And then, we voted against Christiana. So Ben Winston. Well, I thought about a few things on the way in, and they were, you know, flashes until it should be on the floor rather than on the wall, like for hygiene. And then I was thinking about, like, I've used one of those. They're great. It's much better, like a slow lane for people who are walking slowly.

That stuff was annoying. And then I saw Japan does that naturally. I love it, you know what I mean? It's like there was stuff like, oh, like the fact. that the plug changes depending on where you are in the world, and they should just be one, you know, straight for one. And then I had to come up with really intelligent things. and I was like, oh shit, I better think about this. So I was quite glad I came last. give me a good 40 minutes to work out. Well, I was going to do, I'm going to go for something that. has, I think, been a positive effect in many people's lives,

which came from religion, but for me isn't religious. And I think. that we should make the seventh day. and not for religious reasons, because we're worried about God. or whatever else. I think the seventh day should be a day of rest. where we go extreme. No electricity, no phones, no driving. Where for one day for 24 hours we switch off.

We exist with our family and friends. We eat together, we drink together. We don't go down to the shops and get the stuff. we had to prepare for in advance. We don't work. We exist with whatever we've got. We go for walks. We enjoy each other's company. We switch off from everything else in the world. And I think that actually. it comes from something that came in my childhood. I grew up Orthodox Jewish, right. So my family, they wouldn't use cars on Saturday, we wouldn't use phones, wouldn't work, and my dad is.

quite well known sort of infertility specialist. He would be working from 7 a.m. till 11 p.m. six days a week. But from a Friday night to a Saturday night. as a religious family, we would just with each other. The time we would spend together, the joy that that would bring us. the switch off that we knew. for 24 hours I just had my dad and like nothing else mattered, and we would all be together and exist together, I think is such a beautiful thing to have and to almost, like, reset.

Because whatever job you do, whether you work down the store, whether you host a podcast, whether you're a doctor nurse, whether you do something silly, like make TV shows like I do, it's always the most important thing in the world. And if for one day you just turn off and just breathe for a minute, I actually think that could be great for society. and family values and everything. Okay. This is this is very beautiful. I'm going to I'm going to start by. asking some questions just to follow to clarify, to understand. Yeah. Is everyone resting on the same day?

Correct. Everybody does the same day. Because otherwise because we need other people. So what we would have to do on. this day is we would go right all day Saturday or Sunday or Friday. It doesn't matter. We can choose. I'm open to. whatever my cabinet feels about it when we discuss it in government. But the one day that we choose, everything stops. Okay? Everything stops. No. So. So if you are no flights because then you need the air hostess. I'm staying for one day. You get down and think about that before hospital. If you get in a hospital as well, the hospitals are allowed.

Yeah. So who's working in the life and death? Anything that is life and death. shift work, anything that is life and death we carried. No one should die because of my policy. I don't want anyone to die. I know for some people the liquor store is life and death. But then they can stock up to the Friday. They stock up like like many religious people do. They go get drunk on the Sabbath, but they stock up and you get ready for it. It would also be incredibly good for the environment. because for a day everything is ground. Electricity, planes, cars. It would be phenomenal for the world for one day.

You know what? We all just chill out, okay? Okay. So, Christianity, you haven't you have anything? I have, I have a bunch, so I like it. Thank you. In principle. Let's just vote now. Let's have this is because of like, accents I have. This is I just realized something. I didn't want to like it because I'm like, I should have been. the American on this podcast because Josh is. I should have. In fact, for the next of the segment, I'm just going to be I'm going to be the American voice on this. I don't agree with what you guys are talking about. Okay, this is trash. We should be okay. But Christiana, go ahead. You go ahead.

Do you know what? It's because like growing up, we didn't have. We went to church on Sundays. But the thing is it my dad's a pastor's. It felt like work. It was like it was always a bit much. But why did love us after church? We always have like a family meal. and people would be over the house like. Like Sundays are a lot of good memories. We have 100% apple pie and custard. It just created that. There's something about a ritual as a collective group. that is very grounding that I lack. Now do you know what I mean? Because, like, my mom's not going to listen.

I don't go to church much and go as much shit. Yeah, got myself in trouble, but, like, you know, and the people in my, well, don't observe any ritual as a because, you know, if there's a day where everyone's like, okay, Sunday I'm going to be free, but everyone's so overscheduled, it's impossible to make plans. And I do feel if there's something like, like collective, we all know that you got nothing happening on Sunday. Mean we could have them together. And I think. I think what religion gives people, if you take out the religious bit, right. If you take out the God fearing bit, you take out the going to church, but you take out the guilt bit. Yeah.

You take out all of those elements. and then you're just left with a day of rest. Actually, like literally rest. And that can be joy and fun and enjoyment. Then you've actually got the really great side that there can be no doubt. that is beneficial to us. So I think actually just to go seventh day bang. Okay, okay, okay, I love it I feel you I get it. Thank you. Okay. I think both of you are probably tired. And so you just like agreeing with like ridiculous ideas right now. So let's let's go through this okay then let's go through let's so maybe,

maybe let's start at the top then, because you are ruling this world, okay. What happens to people who don't rest? Who do you arrest them to do? I'll be here all week, folks. You've been. Trevor Noah with the jokes, but prepare. What do you do? So what happens to somebody who drops. somebody a line on your internet that has no social media? I mean, like, are we talking about. They call them punishment? Yeah. No, I'm. And I'm being serious. I'm asking. I'm asking what do you do? Because no one can use my media because it's banned.

Okay. So I'm saying, what do you do? Well, roads don't rest well. Roads are shot so they can't drive, right? You know that. You just shut the roads to the police. So they shut them the night before. But now you can't. You just can't drive that. The roads. But how do you how do you can't drive. What do you. I'm telling driver. Oh you can't drive actually for emergencies. So this is what I'm saying. So I'm, I'm talking about the the pandemic is a perfect. you know what I love about the pandemic. It was one of the most powerful natural experiments. that humans will probably never be able to conduct ever again. And one of the things that showed me is that while most of society. will follow a rule, yes, there are some people.

who are just like, whoa, I just I just heard you say roads are empty, so I find just wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait. Ben. Ben, Ben, this is not remember, this is not me as trying to get it. But you know the great thing? Can you just saying. Well, how are we going to enforce it? Ben, wait wait, wait. Please understand this has an optimist. The number one thing I have to do in my life, is I first have to probe an idea, okay? With all the things that might make it fall apart before. I've been an optimist. If the first thing you're asking is, well, how do we enforce it?

People are going to say, no, no, no, no. That's a cynical no, no, no. The first thing to do is actually the first thing. I said was, that's beautiful. Thank you. That was the first thing I show you meant it as the first thing I said. I said, that's beautiful, Ben. That was the first thing I said. So I'm just asking you what happens to all the people who don't like. the same thing that I mean, lots of people break rules and laws. Yeah, that's what happens in your world. They find they find the fine. How are they on the Saturday? Because. But who touch money. But then how do you know? How do you know that they weren't not so nice.

But then how do you know? No money. Wait. But how do you know? But how do you know that there's no electricity? So you can't do online shopping? I can't touch money. How do you know who is breaking the rules? We've gone like that with the power. Like we shut down the electricity. Yeah, but how do you know who is breaking the rules? So Trevor's gone out. You're really getting in the weeds. There's so many more problems than that problem is that there's. This is industries. Like if you're going to unpick it. intelligently, then start thinking about, well, how are people going to travel to the hospitals? How are how are businesses and restaurants. survive when one of their weekends are gone? The reason how is how is sports going to win at the weekend?

No. It's self-explanatory. This is what I'm. This is why I'm starting with the rule, right? This is why I start with the rule. Anytime you change the world with a rule, you then have to worry about rule breakers, right? So now you're saying people may not work. And now what I'm saying to you is. if they do not work, what happens to them? Then you're like, well, are we going to have to find them? Then I go, but who's looking at them? We have to get some sort of police people to make sure. that the people in the police are working. to make sure the people are not good or bad idea. I think there are some parts of, you know, you're what? You're so you're forcing me to rest on a day.

I don't want to rest on one day. Why am I say rest on your day? You can rest on all seven days if you like. No, no, no. But what if I want to rest on the rest or more? What if what I'm saying. What if I like to rest for a week and then work nonstop for other weeks? What kind of dictatorship is this, Will? You're forcing people to sleep. I'm forcing people to have a day where they just take a breath. They surround themselves with people that matter to them. What if those were software we literally make? Most people are far from them to move neighborhoods. I mean, what move neighborhood? What are you saying? You're saying. I'm saying the world only existed when we had electricity. No.

So therefore no electricity. Prepublication. No no no no no precast. That's. It was a disaster. Wait, that's a no no. That's a false public joyed themselves. Let me explain why it's a false argument. and it's not the right comparison. Before we have the electricity and the trains and everything, people would generally confined to the places where they lived. We now live in societies where people are not where they were always. So some people have had to go work somewhere where their family is. not okay. Some people have had to go live. somewhere where their friends are not.

So now what I'm asking is if somebody works a job. that ends at night, like late shift on the day. before the seventh day. Yes. How do they then get to their friends and family to get there? Some people live four hours away, three hours away. So at 9:00 they can get this four hours job. By midnight they wake up for the day of rest with their family. I don't know, Christiana. My my only modification would be the no electricity thing. Okay. Just for especially for me. Like, I love music and there's something.

to like being the band's world. You better learn guitar. Maybe. I know, but there's something about being a beatbox. I know I want to be at the dinner table, play some Cleo soul in the background. Like I said, it said, there's something about because, listen, I'm a musician, I play piano, but I don't want to play piano. No, I want I. so like there's something about like, music and the atmosphere. And so for some people, it's a cookout with the DJ. Yeah, we need electricity for that. No, I think so. Someone's cooking at this cookout. I couldn't they. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I don't know a lot of anything new. Okay.

I think we should. More cooking at your cooking. Need some modernizing needs to modernize it. Because for some people, I. think electricity. No. Okay. No cooking. No, I think it needs it. So it needs the electricity. Okay, well, I have somebody I know. You can keep an open fire. Oh, no. I said life and death. Don't try and pull me up on the death. I said life and death said what I'm saying is, firstly, Trevor, I know you are breaking out in hives about staying. still for a day on your own pace because one minute you're in Bhutan,

the next minute. you're in Dubai, the next minute you're on to the Hollywood Bowl, then you're meeting with the CIA for lunch. I understand that just standing still for ten minutes, surrounded by love. and human beings is difficult for you. But I think you will find a community locally. And you know what? If you're far away from people, go for a walk. Everybody else will be out for a walk. People won't be on their phones. There is something nice about community, and community. has been destroyed by the modern way of life. And what I'm saying is, wouldn't it be beautiful. if we all just went back for one day, just one day,

and we just had a little simple, beautiful life. where we actually had a moment to spend time with the people we love. Love this and to and to just appreciate. I love that we have. I love that before you know it, we're all dead and we've just been. running around on the highway. Can I just say struggling to get to a meeting? Can I just say, and I hope this is very clear, I love the sentiment behind that idea. It is fantastic. You know, it is beautiful. It is beautiful. Now, I think the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

I'm saying if we create one day where everybody has to rest, where everybody has to do it the same, we may not. necessarily get to what you think we're going to get to, because there are some people who go, I don't like my wrist being on a predefined day. And then some people might go, okay, Ben, what if we want to do another day? And the reason I'm asking these questions is because it takes me, or it makes us all think about many of the things that we have lost. in creating a world where people can move around a bit more, and that is, it becomes a little more fractured. Right?

So what I'm saying, and I mean this honestly, it's not me just trying to play devil's advocate. What happens when Christiana wants it to be Tuesday? And Trevor goes, well, I like Thursdays off. And then Ben goes, no, I like I like Sundays off. I like what happens in that world. So you like the idea, you back the idea. The only problem you've got with it is you want to choose different days. to happen. No, no, no. And the same way that the Christian day is a Sunday, the Jewish days, a Saturday, the Muslim days of Friday. I think if I'm right, what you're saying.

is you like the variety, but you love my idea. You just don't like it all being on the same day. Is that what I'm saying? I'm forget I okay? There's no I in this. Okay. Well, what we're looking at. does have your name on the mark, but it doesn't have. I know what it was with what we're looking at is with each other. We're looking at. Yeah. What happens when your world. Suits some more than others. What happens then. Well that is life isn't it. And who decides then.

Well it's I ruled the world. That's the name of the game. So when you say who decides if you're going to do a podcast. and you're going to invite me, here is the 15th choice guest. and you're going to say, if you ruled the world, what would you do? And then when I give you a very, very well thought out plan, that's. much better than banning social media or scrapping schooling systems, we know. And then you go back and then you go, and then you go, who's going to be in charge? I'm going to say, well, you just told me I am because you created a stupid game called.

If You Ruled the World. Well, I'm going to put my vote in and I'm going to say, if I was voting for the system, I would say no. because I think it would lead to unnecessary unrest. I think it would lead to massive conflicts. I think it would lead to, a group of people, we'll call them the first days, who would rise up. and want to know why their day is not Z day. Shame on you. and I unfortunately cannot vote for this,

even though and I must reiterate, I love the sentiment. And I mean, it's not facetiously my friend. I genuinely believe, and it's why I do it in my life as well with. my people. It's so important to take time off to be with people. But I unfortunately cannot vote for your world, which is enforced on everybody on the same day, because I don't think that will lead to peace. I think that day will be the day of revolution. And so my vote is no Christiana. yes.

But with a caveat. I would need electricity. Oh, so I think that because I think. But then what does that mean? Cause though no, I don't, I don't, I hate driving. Oh wait. So you wait. Okay. So your world's going to have electricity. Well hold on. Which electricity can we define how what you I wouldn't want to cook. I cook, I don't I'm very. So what you do. you want you essentially want I want to negotiate atmosphere. You want music. You want to be able to play around. I think music is a big part of the black experience. Okay. And having a day of rest with black people. With the black. No, no, I'm saying finish food now. What is now I'm a day of has been going to say no to the experience.

No day of rest to a black wow a day of rest. where black people can't wash Jesus well, they like music. Okay, tell us why you don't want the black experience. Yeah. Why don't you want black people to put music. on their special day of rest? As, as the as the minority? Yes. Let me. tell you about the minority experience with U2 and Josh. I as the minority. no. You know, listen, here's the deal. Nothing's past today.

Yeah, everything's got shut down. They've been to nos, right? This. I'm about to win the game because when you vote, that means two one. It passes because you got two one against you. You guys you want to get. No, no, because I voted before before you. You're amending. So please okay. So what I'm going to do now here's what I'm going to allow guys. Yeah okay. Go. So unorthodox Judaism what they have so that people can cook. is for 24 hours. They plug in a little hotplate and they have a little kettle. And it last 24 hours. It's just what they do. So, so so with that spirit in mind, I'm going to make a little exception.

And everybody can buy a little generator. You have it in your house. So it's limited because we don't want people to go crazy. We don't want like a whole, you know, everyone going wild, but you'll have your generator. And therefore. if you want to play music, it will happily do that for the day. I accept that will mean that you get your rest. Some people don't want to sit in quiet. My wife's one. She can't accept the quiet. She goes in. Same with it. She needs stuff in the background. So I think. with a little bit of generator, I think in order to get this policy through, like all good politics,

you need a few amendments to get through Congress. Yeah, I'm willing to provide this solution so that we can vote on this. amendment. Okay. Thank you. How do you vote? Yes. No. Okay. All right. So now that it's changed, I should be able to vote again because that's. Oh okay. Oh okay. I think that's how it works. I wanted to change you so but it's still on the same day. Trevor I'm not shirking from that. Yeah. So now I will vote yes as well. Why we vote yes as well? Because I will team up with all of my friends. We will combine our generators and we're throwing a concert.

It is the only show in town. If you want to come and watch. Trevor Noah performs. Yeah. With all his friends at the. We're going to call it the Electricity is Alive. Bash. Come on through. We've got charging. We've got phone charging. We've got food cooking, we've got music playing, we've got movies. because we've got all the generators and we've combine them. And the good news is there's no police. because there's a lot of work today. The focus has been, listen, you've won the game. We thank you so much for coming, everybody. Welcome to another episode of What Now?

If I Ruled the World with Trevor Noah. What Now with Trevor Noah is produced by Spotify Studios. in partnership with Day Zero Productions and Fulwell 73. The show is executive. produced by Trevor Noah, Ben Winston, Jonas Yamin and Jody Avigan. Our senior producer is Just Hackle. Marina Hankie is our producer. Music mixing and mastering by Hannah Brown. Thank you so much for listening. Join me next Thursday for another episode of What Now?