Sam Morril: Jokes, Outrage, and the New Rules of Comedy

is one of my favorite all-time. comedians. Give it up for Mr. Sam Mar. [music]. >> There's a lot going on with you. You. just came out with your sixth standup. special since 2020. >> He's worked with comics like Kona and. Colbear. He has a Netflix special, Same. Time Tomorrow, that tackles [music]. everything from awkward conversations to. America's gun epidemic. >> He'll do Morning News just to ruin the. segments. I [laughter] I do it all the. time. >> You did a good one in Columbus. >> Tell us [music] what we what we can. expect with that. I'm going to talk. about the human trafficking epidemic in. Columbus, Ohio. What is going on with.

the human? What are you talking about? >> I just kept making up that they had a. human trafficking problem in Columbus. and the guy lost it [music] on me. >> Is this a joke? Are you trying to be. funny? What are you trying to do? >> We'll be right back. >> Wait, I was just trying to explain. The. audience just saw the same thing, too. >> Okay, we'll go to break. [music]. >> This is What Now with Trevor Noah. This episode is presented by Whole Foods. Market. Eat well for less.

[music]. >> Am I am I visibly sweaty? I was I I I. was like I. >> You were you running here? >> I walk at a brisk pace, but then I hate. to be late to anything and I was like if. I don't walk at a brisk pace, I'm going. to be late. And I was like you can't cab. it at this time either. So it's like I. was like I got to walk it. But. >> no city bike. >> Oh dude, I can't ride a bike. >> Well, like at all. >> I can but I'm so bad on a bike. My my. balance sucks. I'm also scared of the. bikers in this city. They're so reckless.

in the bike lane that I I don't want to. get. >> Yeah, but you don't need to worry about. them when you're one of them. >> I do worry about them because I I would. do it during co like on the Westside. Highway and they were [ __ ]. terrifying. >> Not to anymore. >> No. Yeah. I can I'm a bad dude. I'm I'm. My motor skills are terrible. [laughter]. >> I can. >> I I can drive. I have a driver's. license, but I shouldn't have one. I. suck. I don't drive. Out of respect for. people. I don't drive. >> You know what's You know what I've.

always found interesting about driver's. licenses or anything that requires you. to pass a singular test. >> Mhm. >> I always think it's [ __ ] crazy like. there's there's crucial things out. there, you know, like doctor, pilot, all pilots actually because you. have to do like multiple hours. They go. prove that you can fly for a bunch. >> Yes. >> At some point with certain jobs, it's. just like did you pass the test? Yeah. Okay. You're good forever. Yes, >> I know. >> Did you pass your driving test? Yeah, one time. >> I failed the first two also. >> You see, that's to me pathetic. For me,

that means I think for. >> You failed the first two. >> Yeah, it was. It's kind of hard in the. city, honestly. >> It's terrible. Have you done a driving. test? >> First of all, they don't do them in the. city. Like city city. >> I did two in the Bronx and then one was. in like the suburbs, but Bronx was. [ __ ] hard. >> No, it's terrible. >> It It wasn't easy. I mean, I suck, too. But. >> wait, so there's the first part where. they they let you drive at the traffic. department. >> in South Africa. In South Africa, that's. how it works. You. >> No, we don't have that. >> You drive in the traffic department. first. >> No, it was the guy, let's go to the. streets. >> It was like uh where was it? It was in.

Bronx, like. >> No, it was like it felt like very urban. It was like city for sure. >> No, no, there's no Yeah, we they don't. have that what we have. >> You go straight to the street. >> I really thought you failed the first. one. >> My My rest of my family couldn't. understand it. My brother's like, "You. failed." I was like, "Yeah, I'm not. good. I don't know.". >> What did you do wrong? What did the guy. said? >> Everything. I guess it wasn't one thing. They were just like, "You're just bad at. this." It wasn't like one thing. [laughter] I wish it was one thing. I. suck. I'm terrible. >> Some horrible instructor. Like, you're.

just bad at this walk. [laughter]. >> That was what it was, dude. I was like, "This is [laughter] I was an. embarrassment.". >> Oh, man. Wait. So, first time, second. time, third time. Third time I I made. the [clears throat] woman laugh out of. the gate and she was like she just liked. me. She was like, "Oh, he's cool.". Whatever. >> I shouldn't have been I suck. I should. be That's what she thought. >> I should I should be 0 for three, but. she I made her laugh and she was like. just cool. I don't know. [laughter]. I mean, not a good in.

>> What is that? The a laughing jury is not. a hanging jury. >> Oh, yeah. >> That's the saying. >> Is that really a saying? >> You don't know that saying? >> No. >> Oh, >> the jury laughed a couple of times in. De's trial. >> Yeah, but they didn't hang him. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. >> Yeah. A laughing jury is not a hanging. jury. Yeah. It's not a hanging jury. It's. >> not a hanging jury. That's an old. saying. >> I've never heard that. >> For real. For real. >> No, for real. They say like they I. always love that for standup because I. always thought the the the art and it's. funny. I don't even say this just.

because you're here. The art of being. like the best comedian. >> Yeah. is doing what you do where I where. you go. you've got the jury to laugh but you. committed the crime. >> Mhm. >> Oh jeez. I never call it art an art. standup. I think it's like. entertainment. I think it's like. >> you don't call it an art. >> I get like cringey cuz I feel like we're. cuz we're it's it's a pretentious way to. describe what we and what we do is so. unpretentious, you know? >> Yeah. And I think you're right about. that. It's but it's the same way like a.

lot of chefs will call themselves cooks. >> Um. >> and a lot of cooks will call themselves. chefs. >> Yeah. Yeah. They were like, "Whoa, whoa, hold on. You're on D drives in and. dies." [laughter]. I feel like. >> there's no Michelin, just lad. >> No, but it's true. Think if you think. about it like we're running like a. diner. >> Yeah, but that's my point. But I'm going. you I understand why you wouldn't want. to call it an art or an art form or any. of that, but it has all of the exact. same principles. Let me put it this way. If you if you got into a room with like. a painter, like you know, a fancy. painter and uh a musician, anyone else.

who's in the arts, no one was allowed to. tell each other what they do. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> And then. each of you has to describe the trials. and tribulations of what you do. So you. go, man, I I've got to put myself out. there and I've got to create these ideas. and hope people like it. And then half. of the time they don't and then I feel. like [ __ ] and then I try it again and. then sometimes they like it but they. didn't used to like it and then all of a. sudden it's popular and sometimes I'm. dead by the time it's popular and then. I'm you know it's popular. People.

wouldn't know what you do. They'd be. like are you are you a painter? Are you. a. >> That's true. But instant feedback does. that's what separates us, right? You. write a screenplay, you're like I don't. know. >> You write a book you don't know. you you. don't know till it's maybe an editor's. like this is not good but I think I. think people get older that's why you. always hear Tarantino say like I'm done. at 10 because I think some critics will. will praise work of older directors. where it's not their best work but. they're kind of grandfathered in. >> where like no that wasn't a good movie. but they're like it's 95% on Rotten.

Tomatoes and you're like but that sucked. but they're just in you know. >> explain they're grandfathered in. >> like they they were great. >> so they're people they're remembering a. time when they were great. >> and Ow. Where did grandfather didn't. come from? >> God, please don't say it has like a. racist history. [laughter]. >> I'm like, what is ACCORDING TO GOOGLE? IT'S UH. >> IT'S FROM AMERICAN SLAVERY. I'm like, oh. boy. Oh [laughter] [ __ ]. >> Jeez. >> Oh man. But I do think. >> Oh, man. Now I hope it is. I.

>> don't know if you know if you're. slipping because the audience will tell. you if you're slipping. [laughter]. >> I think grandfather didn't If I guess. Yeah. >> is probably about I think it's passports. probably. H. >> I think there's something something. around something in the or maybe before. passports even is like your grandfather. was the reason you could get into a. college or your grandfather was here. >> so you can get into this institution so. you get grandfathered in. My grandfather. came that's and I think I'm guessing I'm. not going to look it up cuz I prefer to. guess this [ __ ] which is more fun. >> Yeah. >> And Sam what is your theory of slavery?

[laughter] I think it's slavery. >> I think I just I I really upset a lot of. listeners. I'm sorry. [laughter]. But yeah, I um Okay, that's interesting. So you don't So that's the part where. you think it separates separates it from. ours. >> Well, yeah, instant feedback. You kind. of know. I mean, that's the thing, too, is we focus test our stuff more than. anyone else. You know, you you go to the. seller, you go on the road. Is this. funny? >> Uh. Scorsese is like, this is the movie. This is it. I don't think those guys f.

Maybe you focus test if you make a. comedy movie a little if if you see what. scene. I heard that Jordan Peele with. Get Out, uh, he had a different ending, a darker ending, and people hated it, >> so he changed the ending. >> Like originally in the ending, he. doesn't get out. >> Oh [ __ ] In the original movie. >> Yeah. Uh, Lil Re's character in the. original, he doesn't get out and people. were like, "This [ __ ] sucks. We. wanted We don't want him to lose. >> We want him to get out.". >> It's It's like a more artsy ending, but. I think like you're just rooting for him.

so hard at that point that you're just. like, "Nah, he's got to get out." You. know? So, this is something I've I've. struggled with philosophically. I've I. sometimes wonder if [snorts] Hollywood. has made people less resilient in life. because it's conditioned us to believe. that there are always happy endings. >> Well, there was that movie that just. came out and I'm sorry if I'm spoiling. it, but uh you know they made I think it. was Danish the original Speak No Evil. >> Yeah. >> Remember that one? The the Danish. version. And I'm sorry if it's not. Danish, it's from that part of the.

world, but uh. >> they don't get offended on that side. You're good. You're good. The movie is. so [ __ ] up and it's like the darkest. ending you'll ever see. And then they. made an American version or maybe it was. it was James Macko, maybe it was. British, I don't know, but came out in. America and I was like this is this is. like a happy ending. [clears throat]. >> Yeah, it's a happy ending. >> I I enjoyed both. But yeah, I mean. there's something to be said like I. don't know like we Yeah, we we're. conditioned for that. You're right. Every single fairy tale, almost every single, but I think every.

single fairy tale that we know of from. Disney was rewritten from a fairy tale. that had a grim ending. Well, I think it. was the Brothers Grim, but it was like. they all like and I don't know which one. did what, but like apparently like Snow. White just dies in the one and then. Cinderella doesn't like. >> people still get offended about people. were still mad a couple years ago about. kissing uh they like she they kiss a. passed out woman in Snow White. That was. [clears throat] like a big thing. [laughter]. that was the same the same people that. are worried about a passed out woman. being kissed were not worried about a.

teenage girl going on a voyage on a. catamaran by herself in the Atlantic. Ocean. >> Who? Moana. Yes. Were like chicken pig, good luck. >> Yeah, but she's fine. What do you mean, my man? It's hard when you let your. child go to school. >> When you see them walking away, >> but why you were people were offended by. that or no? No, I'm saying he's saying. they didn't care. Oh, >> yeah. But I feel like they get every. movie that every Disney movie people are. like they've gone. I didn't see the Buzz. Lightyear one. I've Because I've seen.

enough of the Toy Story movies. I liked. them. I thought they were great, but I'm. like, I I'm good. I'm I'm too old. But. then they had like I didn't see the Snow. White one. I tried to joke about this. It did not work at all. I like Let's try. to fix it. We got it. >> I don't I don't think it's fixable. I. like it. I think it's good, but it. doesn't work. But so I say um. >> What [laughter] do you mean doesn't. work? >> It doesn't work. And it doesn't work. like anywhere. I feel like both sides. are like So [laughter] I say uh so my. angle was how they're like Snow White. I. you know, I didn't see the Snow White. movie. It uh they say I'm not the target.

demo obviously, but I didn't see it and. they say it bombed because it was woke. And I was like, well, let's make some. nonwoke Disney classics. So, my idea was. The Little Mermaid, but instead of uh. instead of looking for a prince, she. just does a bunch of swim meets. And the. whole movie is dads who are like, "My. daughter's got to compete against this. [ __ ] She's not a girl. She's a fish. It's not fair.". >> That's a great premise. >> Yeah. He didn't say joke. He said. premise. >> No, that's a great premise though. >> It's going somewhere. >> Yeah, it's going somewhere. >> It's going somewhere. I like the idea. that it's like. >> Yes. Wait, wait. >> That it is rational. It does make sense. that adapt but also I feel like I'm kind.

of is it making fun of both sides? I. don't know why it's not working. It's. what. >> Okay, I'll tell you why I think it's not. working. I'll tell you why I think it's. not working. >> Sometimes I find with comedy the reason. a joke won't work is not because the. joke doesn't work. It's because the. people are still dealing with the. current release of the joke. So they. can't. >> the punch line. So often times in comedy. the punch line has to release you from. reality often times, right? But if the. if the punchline of the joke. >> brings you back to reality and a reality. that you haven't resolved, audiences.

aren't happy. So you didn't let them get. out in that joke. >> I I didn't Jordan peel it, dude. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. They're stuck in the house. >> You get what I'm saying? Cuz think about. it. You went you there's the joke about. the mermaid. She's swimming with other. girls. Parents are complaining. She's. Oh. And it's like, oh, and it's trans. People like, "Oh, [ __ ] We haven't even. figured that out yet." Ah, I don't know. how I I. >> Right. So I'm reminding them of. something that they're like, "What do we. do?". >> Yes. >> That's interesting. That's a good. observation. I never thought of it that. way. That's a that's a very good. observation. >> I used to have a joke like back in the. day when I first came to America, I had.

this joke about. >> how. the premise was basically whoever. invented Santa Claus was the same person. who invented Osama bin Laden. >> Because I was like, you know, when I was. like writers run out of ideas and they. just thought, you know, people make the. same songs, people make the same. So I. was like, whoever made Santa Claus made. Osama bin Laden. I can tell it's the. same. It was a lazy. It's like the same. reused premise. Got a beard. Got it like. a weird little costume. They're like in. a cave with their helpers. They like pop.

out once in a while. You don't know. where they really are. Was this whole. thing? No one laughed. >> Was it September? >> No one laughed. Like and I could never. figure out how to get the joke going, how to get after they killed Bin Laden. That joke murdered everywhere. >> Wow. >> People would want a thank you note for. that one. Can I tell I'm not even I I I. remember cuz I remember just trying. >> to save that joke. [laughter]. >> PEOPLE WERE LIKE, "YEAH, people were. laughing hard. They're like, I NEVER. THOUGHT ABOUT THAT." YEAH, HE'S GOT THE. SAME CUZ I even had the same thing. I. had Santa Claus. That [laughter] was the.

the one that that that started working. the hardest was I said they even had the. same catchphrase. You better watch out. >> Good. >> And then people were like, "Nah." After. Bin Laden was dead, joke was amazing. [laughter]. >> I love the idea that you're you better. watch out and you're like, this isn't. working on 912. I wonder why. [laughter]. Why is this joke hitting, >> guys? It's You better watch out. You. don't get it. [laughter]. >> Jesus. >> How about you? >> Get out. >> No, it's funny. I I like I always love. jokes where you're like making the.

weirdest comparison. You're like, "All. right, where the hell is this going?". >> Yeah. >> You know, those are those are fun ones. cuz it's fun to watch them like, "Oh, it's fun." That's a fun moment. >> That's the best moment when you can find. an audience or when you can take an. audience to a place with you that no one. should rationally be in. That's the. greatest. That's like, you know what I. mean? >> Yeah. That's a sadistic part of being a. comic. You want to see how far this can. go, where it can go, and when it's going. to end. >> Yeah. I mean, you definitely when you. have a a joke, you stretch it as.

possibly far as you could take it. >> Say what? You You're searching for the. culdeac. >> Yeah. >> You want to drive, drive, drive, and go, the road is finished. Sharp. See you. guys next time. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So when when you one thing I I want I. wanted to chat through with you is like. I go. >> you are man how can I put it like. you're one of the most honest comedians. I know. >> Jeez. Thank you man. >> And what I mean about that is. like as a human I don't know you that. well. But what I mean by comedian is as.

a comedian you're the one of the most. honest comedian. >> I care more about comedy than I me as a. human. So this is great. Yeah. That's. more important [laughter] cuz one time. you described me as like I remember I. did a daily show and you're like you. this guy's a great guy and I was like. [ __ ] does that mean I'm a hack? Jesus. >> Whenever a comic calls you nice you're. like gh no but I mean that was like. great person. >> No no no I [ __ ] with you. >> No but you cuz I mean I mean you got to. remember I have I had an interesting. perspective meeting people Eugene is had. a similar thing is that like when you. come from random places in the world and.

you meet comedians in the biggest places. in the world they don't have to be nice. to you. they they don't even have to. like acknowledge you in that way. So, you'll meet some people who are just. dicks because they see no value in you. as a person. And then you meet people. where you go, "Oh [ __ ] it's that guy.". And you're like some random cuz remember. as an let's say as an African, a lot of. the time when we first get somewhere, we. might not even realize how African we. are or aren't being in that moment. So, we arrive somewhere and we're going. like, "Hello, my friend." And then what. they're seeing is like, "Oh, hello.

Hello." You know what I mean? That's I. didn't see that. >> But I'm not I'm not trying to trap you. [laughter] I'm not trying to trap you. >> You're just trying to call me racist on. this podcast. Trap you me. God damn it. >> I'm not trying to trap you. No, but what. I'm saying is we we often take for. granted how we're perceived versus how. we perceive ourselves. Right. >> So, you show up as an African in some. places. You are so random to the people. you show up to. >> that it becomes way more apparent who is. and isn't like just just a nice person. in that way. You you one of the.

instances I I remember was Joseph Opio, comedian friend of ours. You might have. met him, you might not. He's from. Uganda. He's one of the quirkiest human. beings you've ever met in your life, right? He basically did the Daily Show. of Uganda by himself. Wrote it. the whole thing by he's he's the most. abnormal human being you've ever met, right? Amazing guy. I remember seeing. him at the comedy cellar. Nobody knew. who he was. I didn't know who he was, right? And he walked up to Louis CK. after Louis had just been on stage and.

he was like, "Ah, hey, excuse me. Uh, Mr. Louie, can I offer you a few tags? I. noticed that you were that you said. there. And I remember thinking, "Oh god, this is it's this is not going to end. well." And Louie looked at him and he. was like, "Oh yeah, what?" And he talked. to him and he's like, "Oh [ __ ] yeah, I. didn't think of that." And he took the. tag and he like engaged. >> Whether or not Louis was just being nice. or taking it actually, I didn't care. I. remember just going, "Man, that's a cool. dude." Do you get what I'm saying? >> Yeah. No, I I love that Louis that way. I think I think most comics at the.

seller like first off I it's always. weird. Do people know what tags are by. the way? It's like you know. >> Oh yeah, a tag. >> How many people listening even know? It's like the end of a joke like a one. more line at the end of a joke but. >> yeah it's an extra it's a. >> but Louie gave me a tag once and I. remember being like it took a joke from. here to here. It's it's a joke that I. used to have a joke where I said you. know I don't even know if I'm going to. butcher it but it was like I said uh I. think women look at sex like uh buying a. car where they're like uh can I see. myself in this long term? Is it safe? Is. it reliable? You know, and then men look.

at sex like park in a car like there's a. spot. There's another spot. Uh oh, I. have to pay. Never mind. [laughter] And. then the line Louis gave me was. handicapped. Uh yeah, what the hell? I. hope no one sees this. [laughter]. >> So Louis took it over the top. I was. like, it was already killing, but then. he gave me that one extra line. I was. like, oh [ __ ]. >> And uh end up doing that joke in the. movie Joker. I did like 20 jokes, but he. was like, oh, that's perfect. I was. like, all right. But Louis gave me that. line. I already had a handicapped angle. I try but hope no one sees this. Just.

perfect amount of words. There's certain. things you can't substitute word choice. for, you know. No, you can't. So, yeah. Louie, uh. >> I love like pure comics cuz he'll watch. and he'll be like, "Oh, what if you did. that?" Like he's so interested in jokes. I love So, when you say comics are nice. to each other cuz that's the language we. speak is jokes. >> Yeah. But that's I I don't think that. that's I don't think that's the case as. much as it was before. Partially because. I think standup comedy became. standup comedy for a long time was the. bastard child of entertainment. Yeah. Right. It didn't doesn't matter where.

you're from in the world. There was. always like oh and the comedians. >> Mhm. >> And then in many countries comedy. started having this ascendancy. >> Oh yeah. When porn stars started doing. standup I'm like we're the last stop. The [laughter] hell you went from that. to this? >> Which porn star was this? >> Oh well well Stormmy Daniels was one. There's been a few. I don't want to name. too many names. Stand up. >> Yeah. There was a brief. I like how you. said like I don't want to embarrass. them. I don't want to expose their. style. >> Yeah. >> I don't want to spoil their porn. careers. [laughter]. >> Let's be real. They come off better in. the other videos. So, you know, >> come on.

>> At least they're good at that. You know, [laughter] [ __ ]. But but this is what I mean is like. standup comedy used to be the bastard. child of entertainment. Then. >> Netflix comes along, you know, the. there's like a boom that you see where. all of a sudden it's it's a gold rush. >> Yeah. And now comedy is not like an. afterthought. Comedy is the thing. It's. it's and comedy has waves, don't get me. wrong. You know, there's periods where. like the comedy clubs die and improvs. are doing bad and blah blah. But then. comedy comes up again and then people.

are back on TV. They're in movies, etc. And I'm saying in in some of those. waves, you you'll meet comedians where. you go, "Oh, this comedian doesn't care. necessarily about comedy, but he sees. comedy as the perfect vehicle to get. them into acting, being famous in some. other way." And then there's comedians. who love comedians. And I find those. comedians are generally just great. people. That's what I meant by you. You. just I've never met somebody who is as. good and loves comedy as you do. Genuinely. >> Oh, thank you, man. Jeez, that means a. lot. >> You're like a full-on He's a full-time.

comedian. >> Yeah, you are. >> Thank you, man. I love standup, man. I. love jokes. So, I mean, I probably spent. too much time at the seller. Like, I've. definitely had those those moments where. I'm like, I got to do other stuff. I. remember Chris Rock once said to me, he's like, "You got to go out and live. your audience is living. You have to. have stuff to talk about. And I was. like, "Oh yeah, you can't just be like. so I got off stage the other night. That. can't be like the setup to jokes. You. have to like go do stuff." I hate. vacations. I hate like I don't like I. It's hard for me to shut off. I went to.

I was like, I'll go on a vacation. I. want to get in a plane. I'll go to Lake. Placid for two days. I'll disappear with. three days with my friend. We just went. there and just chilled. We're like, we'll paddle board. I was miserable. I. The current took me. I couldn't I had to. like I had to like swim to the side and. hitchhike back to the place I was. staying. Yeah. I was I I came back. early. I hate it. I'm like I need the. city. I need the energy of the city. >> I don't know. I'm bad. >> And then back in the club. >> I [laughter] I'll take I'll take nights. off the clubs now. And I'm touring a. lot. So like I do and I'll spend an.

extra day in the city. I'm like let me. experience the city too. >> because I did the tour bus the first. part of the year. Uh. >> oh yeah. You're one of those Oh man. I. remember you tried to convince me on. this and I did. You did. You did. >> So, it's a real bus. >> Sam loved I mean, you explain it because. you I'm not going to sell it well. So, I. wanted I wanted you I want you to. >> Well, I don't need to sell it to be I. mean, I don't want to sell it too hard. cuz the people take them. I don't get a. bus. You know, they're hard to get. [laughter]. >> These are hot properties. These. >> I said to Sam one day, I was I was.

complaining. I was not even complaining. I was just like, "Oh, man. I'm tired.". Cuz I was flying around. I was like, "You know, you got to get to the airport. and you get to the next airport and the. thing drops you off and the" And then. Sam went, "Oh, man. I just ride on the. bus. So, the first thing I thought was. like a Greyhound. >> and I was like, "Damn, this guy loves. getting material." [laughter]. >> That's the first thing I thought. I was. like, "Wow, this guy loves new. material.". >> No, no, no. I. >> And then it turns out you were talking. about a tour bus and he's like, "No, I. get on the bus after the show, sleep in. the bus, get to the next place, >> and then if I remember correctly, you.

would then go to like a like a place. where you could play basketball.". >> This is every day on the road. So, we we. get off stage usually. either go to. dinner in town or like just get dinner. and eat on the bus and watch a movie. I. bring a ton of DVDs. I still buy DVDs. Love having DVDs. So that way if Wi-Fi. is an issue, you're like, "Oh, I'll. throw in whatever Criterion Edition.". And then uh you watch a movie. They got. so mad at me. I made them watch a film. noir from the 1950s once. And everyone. and everyone's like, "Dude, what the. [ __ ] Let me tell you something." By the. end, they were like, "This is the best.

movie. It's called The Big Heat Fritz. Lang movie from the ' 50s. Glenn Ford. [ __ ] incredible revenge movie.". >> Oh, but they loved it in the end. >> They loved it. It's good. You should. give us before at the end of this. podcast, you must give us like a list of. >> some old flex. >> Yeah. >> Or maybe we could find a hat and then. you can react some of the scenes film. style cuz you look like we come from. that era. >> Who? [laughter]. >> Oh, you do. I thought you were. I was. like, here go. No, he you do. Well, Fris. Lang, the director, one of the uh German. Jews who immigrated to uh America during.

World War II. But right before the Nazis. took over, Gerbles was like, "You should. be you should make our movies. You're. this great director. >> Was that the guy? >> Yeah. Yeah. [clears throat] And no, he. wasn't the guy because Fitz Lang goes, "But I'm a but I'm a Jew." And Gerbles. goes, "We decide who's Jewish." And he. was like, "It was that point that I. realized I should leave." So he came to. America [laughter] and made a bunch of. movie bunch of great movies. >> That moment when he stares into Gerbles, yeah, [laughter]. >> you decide. Are you sure? Cuz that's not. what I've read. But at that time, Gerbles was was undecided about what to.

have for dinner. He was like, I don't. know, chicken, schnitle. And then he was. like, I decid you. >> I'm out. [laughter]. >> What a moment. >> Well, we So the tour bus is great though. cuz we throw in movies. We sleep You. sleep like a baby when the bus is. moving. I love when the bus is moving. cuz you you forget how cuz I I just. sleep in the bunks. I like the bunks cuz. >> How many guys are in this bus? >> Four or five. >> Okay. >> And uh yeah, I rock to sleep. I love it. So I'm a big fan of the bus. And then. you wake up in the city and we hit like.

a YMCA or a rec center, play basketball. Some of these W's are nice now. You get. a little sauna action. >> Listen to this guy. >> I love it. >> There's a toilet in the bus. >> Do you see what I mean by selling it? >> You can pee. You can't poop on the bus. >> Yeah, that's a rule. You can physically, but all tour bus is sort of like an. agreed upon rule. >> The guy I had, Jeff is the man. I love. Jeff. He's uh he's our bus driver. And. he was like I said, "Give me the names. who have pooped on the bus." And he was. like, "Tom Sigura." I said, "Sigura. [laughter] pooped on the bus." He goes, "Yeah, he hot boxed it. He he put it in. a and my camera guy also he did poop on.

the bus. I was furious at him. I was. like, "Dude, you got cuz we were in. Nashville and it's my fault." I was. like, "Let's get hot chicken. It's. Nashville.". >> This my my camera guy is like a jacked. giant dude who eats like four hot. chickens. I was like, "Dude, I don't. care how big you you're going to hot. boxes." The bus had to I made him like I. was like, "Dude, you got to go to a gas. station. You got to throw that out. You. can't make the driver throw that out.". >> Damn. Well, he emptied it out himself. like physically. >> He put it in garbage bags. They would do. it. This is gnarly. >> Wait, how does it work?

>> I They would poop in a garbage bag. Cuz. I mean an airplane kind of flies through. the sky and it lands on whoever. >> No. What are you talking about, man? They got a container. >> Okay. Really? >> You think planes are just like poop? >> Honestly, I [laughter] thought the same. thing. I'm going to be honest. >> Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I figured. it would disintegrate before it came. down, right? >> You think that they're just spraying. [ __ ]. >> Is when the plane opens underneath and. goes, >> wait, no. Wait, really? >> No. >> I really thought. >> I hope that my version is real because. the way I thought I thought there was a. container. >> Listen to the sound. Yeah, that's the like they're using a.

vacuum to pull it. >> You think planes are just spring. >> I I I thought the same. We need to find. >> But you seem confident and I don't. >> No, no, no, no, no. Now you are both. thinking this confidence. >> Yeah. No, I'm not confident. >> Oh, okay. Yeah, I think I think it goes. into the air. >> Just spray [ __ ] into the air. [laughter]. >> Yeah, that's our revenge on the birds, dude. We get one right on their head. >> Get them back. That's what I thought. I. don't know. [laughter]. You know what? When did the cycle start? >> Those those are the types of things. Those are the premises that I like I go,

"What if we were the ones who first shed. on the birds. >> and the birds are like, "Okay, >> yes, >> we're going to get it. >> Okay, we got you. >> for the rest of time.". >> Yeah, man. It's uh it's a bad feeling. when you go on a plane. It really is. >> You don't like being on a plane? >> No, I love I don't mind flying, but. having to poop on a plane is one of the. worst feelings. You just feel you feel. dirty. I travel with wipes. I I I don't. like being dirty. >> I feel horrible coming in here sweaty. I. I don't like it. I don't know. >> But dirty. Swear is not dirty. >> I guess not. >> You You just don't like the idea of.

being like in a prim state. Like you. want to be as as what what is it? Is it. >> Yeah. You just want to feel clean. I. don't know. You want to feel I want to. if I'm traveling, I want to feel good. That's why I think that's why I do the. >> the bus. I feel good if I do it that. way, you know? >> Yeah. No, I don't I don't I don't like. the bus thing cuz you I don't like. waking up. >> somewhere else. >> Somewhere else. And now I can't just. shower. Like I have to get out to then. go and shower. It's It's like. >> So you start your day with a shower?

>> Wait, you don't? >> No. [snorts]. [laughter]. >> That's the airplane toilet. >> Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You don't. start your day with a shower? >> Usually not, but I I I'll usually I'll. like go to the gym or something or I'll. like uh I'll do an like an afternoon. shower. Like an afternoon. >> Okay. Wait, wait. You mean like off the. activity and Okay. I thought you saying. just like you don't shower until night. time. >> No. Yeah, usually before the. >> Oh, no. No, that's fine. That's fine. You do stuff and then you. >> Yeah, I'll What I'll do is I will shower.

then maybe go to the gym and everything. and then. >> cuz I I don't like going to the gym. >> and not knowing if that smell is coming. from my gym. Like. >> you shower pre- gym? >> Yeah. >> Oh my god. >> No, because I because I don't know if. this effort that I'm exerting is causing. this smell. I I'd like to know. >> Do you go to like a public gym? Yeah. [laughter]. What? What gym? We could blame it, right? >> No. No. Ours. It's not even like a name. It's like a public gym. People go to it. >> To a prison gym. >> No. I want them to care.

>> No. I just. >> WHY DO YOU CARE? This is the one place. where you're going to sweat and come out. smelly. Why do you want to go in looking. fresh? >> Okay. I'll tell I'll tell you why. I'll. tell you why. >> Yeah. I also think that's a little. strange. We're really teaming up on them. here this episode. The pooping this. >> I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why. Number one, I don't like it when people. leave any type of stench on the leather. of the of the of the seats and you know. the the work. >> Don't you put a towel when don't you. come? >> Yeah, but I don't like that they leave a. smell. I don't like that. >> Trevor, what must they leave? >> That's my point. I don't like I'm not.

saying that they should or shouldn't. I'm saying I don't like that they leave. So for me, I do not wish to be a lever. Okay, I don't want to do that. I also. don't like it when like people are. smelling up a place. So, I think to. myself, let me not be contributing to. the smell of this place. I can shower. before I come here and then I'll shower. when I'm done with the workout. And the. postworkout shower is a quick one. because you've already like washed the. bacteria off. All you're really doing is. like a quick super rinse with a bit of. soap and you're done. >> He's considerate. He's a considerate. guy. >> I think if the shower is going to be. shorter, it should be the first one.

>> No, because you slept the whole night. >> when you've actually worked out. So, you're getting dirty sleeping dude. You. don't get dirty sleeping. What are you. doing in your sleep? >> No, you're probably right, >> guys. sweating the whole night. >> Wait, so when you wake up, the morning. shower is the one where you put the most. effort, more soap, more. >> Exactly. >> Do you shower again before you go out at. night? If you're going out somewhere, >> sometimes it depends on how humid the. day was. >> If it's not humid, then no, >> cuz I'm just conscious of my sweat. But. if I if I was like brisk walk hot day,

I'll shower. >> before or after. >> before I go out. >> She's like, why are you taking it on to. the next thing? This is not about me. This is about Sam, though. We'll be right back [music] after this. short break. What What got you I want to know like. what got you into standup? And not like. who got you in or like what was the.

thing cuz you kept on you kept on saying. I love standup. I love standup. I love. standup and it shows. Like what do you. think is the thing that like got you. into like standup? Stand up and not. being funny and not funny movies and. like stand up specifically. >> Um I think like just I played some team. sports growing up but our school really. sucked at basketball so everyone was on. drugs and they were terrible and I was. like I was pissed. I took it seriously. and we just always lost cuz and I was. like this is [ __ ] So I was like I. [laughter] can't do like improv. I can't. do a team sport. So I was like I'll do a.

thing where I rely on myself [laughter]. and stand up. I was like it's like. that's like you know the tennis or golf. of you know that's what standup is. you're it's all on I always respect. tennis players cuz I remember reading. Agassy's book and he just talks about. like how you're on an island and it's. make or break it's all you and I kind of. like tennis players kind of just have. breakdowns you know they'll just snap. like you'll see like breaking a racket. or losing it I'm like oh that's like. they're kind of the head cases because. they're in isolation you know I don't.

know I always I I respected that about. them that they have to kind of just live. in their head. And that's kind of the. life of a of a comic, but that can be. painful. I was just watching the Billy. Joel documentary and uh. I I noticed this about comics, too. Like. he would disappear to write his new. album and it would make him crazy. And. he was like, "I have to get [ __ ]. hammered. I have to just like get so. drunk." Because so many of his songs. were coming from just him doing bad. behavior, you know? Like, >> oh yeah, him just Yeah. He drove home. drunk on a motorcycle and his and his.

wife was like, "Are you a lunatic?" And. that became the song like, "You may be. right. I may be crazy, but I just might. be the lunatic you're looking for.". That's from driving drunk on a. motorcycle. And it's like it's amazing. that he took that and made that. something. I don't know. I just think. like. >> I guess I'm giving a a really long. answer here, but my I think I like that. I like that it was all. >> there's no rush. >> I like that it was all on me. So, I like. that part of it. And holy [ __ ] my mom. at that time was like, "Please just be a.

writer." And I'm like, "Oh my god, thank. god I didn't pursue just being a writer. because it's so much harder to get stuff. made." She thought that was she thought. writer producer was the safe route, which maybe at that time it was, but now. standup, at least I can make my own. career for the most part. And uh. >> I just liked Yeah. And I And then I got. into standup, you know, you listen to it. and I would I liked albums. I like. there's something intimate about the. jokes like just being in your head you. know as watching is cool but I always. liked I remember hearing like Prior. Carlin Chris Rock Chris Rock albums were.

very big David Tail like those albums. where they were just like. >> wow rock would you said something about. me before which I take as a high. compliment where you know you you say. the wrong thing but then kind of get. them on your side. >> Rock is maybe the best ever at that. I. mean, >> every every premise was wrong. >> Yeah. >> And by the end of it, you were like, "Oh, no. We were wrong to not think that. in the first place.". >> Yeah. It was. >> He had so many bits like that where I. was just like I mean, I I love so many.

of his takes. I mean, Bigger and Blacker. and uh Bring the Pain were like [ __ ]. crazy. Those are crazy albums, you know? So, uh I remember listening to a Chris. Rock album as a kid. I probably got like. half I was probably 11. I probably got. half the jokes, but my mom. [clears throat] just saw she saw me. laughing. She's like, "What the hell is. he listening to?" And she grabbed it and. she put the headphones on and I just saw. this look of horror on her face. >> And 30 seconds later, she laughed and I. was like, "That's [ __ ] beautiful that. a joke can do that.".

>> That's amazing that she could. >> She loves him. I mean, she she respects. comedy very much. So, that's that's also. influential when you see what makes your. cuz when you're a kid, you're you know, rebelling at first, but then you get to. a certain age and you're like, "Well, what makes my parents laugh?" This is. kind of cool that they're in on it, too. My mom's not going to like everything I. do obviously, but uh I would see her. laugh at stuff and she loved like Mitch. Hedberg. She loved dry jokes. She loved. sarcasm. And. >> do you do you think that shaped your. comedy? Cuz I mean you're you're on the. drier edge of of the comedy spectrum, I'd say. >> Um yeah, probably. Cuz when you because.

it feels good to make your mom laugh. It's like a great it's a nice sound. You're like, "Oh [ __ ] that's this is. the person who gave me life and she. finds Yeah, my I made my mom reluctantly. laugh at a dick joke. That's kind of. cool. Those are the Can I tell you. something? When you make your mom. reluctantly laugh. >> at what? >> Not at any I wasn't going to say. anything else. I just said reluctantly. laugh. >> I'm sorry. Cuz I thought you were. actually finishing off what Sam has. >> You wanted me to say at a dick joke. >> Okay. Sh. >> There's no African who is making their.

mom laugh at a dick joke. None. But our. version, I would say for me, of a dick. joke, and that is I'll make my mom. reluctantly laugh at a religious joke, >> right? M. >> And she'll she'll laugh and then she'll. go, "That's not funny." [laughter]. >> My mom does the same thing. >> She does the same thing. >> Yes. >> She But then you're like, "But I got the. reaction.". >> Yeah. And she'll be like, "No." My mom. My mom said to me, she's like, "No, you. you forced me. I didn't want to laugh. [laughter] Too late." Then I said, "But. you laughed. You found it funny." She's. like, "I didn't find it funny. You. tricked me. I don't like that.".

>> Then I'm like, "I didn't do anything. I. just told you a joke." She's like, "No, no. I There's nothing funny about what. you said." I'm like, "But you laugh.". And they get mad when they make the act, but then they're like I feel like. they're kind of also into it a little. bit. I had a joke about her cuz she's. such such a worrier, dude. I mean, we. were talking about this before the pod, but I mean, she worried about. everything. I was walking on the street. with her once and we saw a dead bird and. I was like and she goes, "Ew, dead bird. don't touch it." And I was like, "Don't. Are you really telling me I'm an adult? Like, you think I'm going to pick up a. dead bird and be like.

>> I thought this was like a child story.". >> No, that's a I was an adult and my mom. saw I saw a dead bird and I go, "Ew.". And she goes, "Don't touch it." And I. was like, [laughter]. I was in my 20s. I was like, are you. kidding me? Like that's her level of. worry. She worried so much. So we were. talking about CO before and like oh my. god having a mom having a hypochondric. mom during co I was like I know look. I'll never see you again. Whatever you. want like what [laughter] whatever makes. you feel safe mom we'll zoom forever. You know you know it it was mental. >> That is so beautiful. So take take me.

through some of your I'm immune. compromised. I'm like, "But you're not. really you're you're pretty good. You're. in pretty good shape." But. >> where was she living at this time? >> Uh they live in Midtown in Manhattan. >> Oh, so they're here. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I was still in her. I'm getting dinner with him after this. >> Yo, man. In her defense, [laughter]. >> behind glass doors still. No. >> But do you remember like in her defense? >> Yeah. >> New York was no joke. >> It was no joke. >> Like New York was I was telling him the. other day. >> walking past I don't know if you ever. went through Central Park when they had. like the body bags and stuff. That was.

>> I still refuse to believe that. my mind. Let me tell you something. >> Depending on where you experienced CO, I. see why everyone has a different feeling. about CO because everyone's experience. of it was different. For some people was. completely a theoretical thing. They. were at home and then they were told. there was a death toll. >> Watch it on the news. >> Yeah. And then there were other people. like if you were in New York during that. time, you didn't go to Florida. You. didn't run away anywhere. You just. stayed here. >> The streets were empty. >> There was only sirens. Yeah. >> Like all day it was just siren, siren,

siren. And then when you could go. outside, I remember walking around. Central Park and they had turned it into. like a makeshift. It looked it literally. looked like an apocalypse movie where. they had the white tents and then they. had body bags and you're like, "What is. going on here?" I was like, "Oh, this. [ __ ] is like it's like real real.". >> It was You know what's so weird? This is. something about the city is like just. the way you hear a song and it takes you. back to a time. I haven't been on this. exact block since co and I used to do I. did a show on this block uh at some. hotel. I don't even know if it's still. here, right? But uh I did a show three.

nights a week because they had an. outdoor space with heat lamps. So I was. able to do a three I would just do an. hour three nights a week to stay and. show during like the outdoor show. >> because it was it was heat lamps but I. was on this block late at night one. night with Phil Hanley. We were just. like sitting around waiting watching. like it's one of those things where the. night's over but you you're both so. happy to be around another human cuz it. was still one time. So, I remember cabs. were going by and some creepy kid just. kept riding by us on a bike. And he did. it like five times and we're like, I. mean, should we move? And it was so.

creepy. I was I was like I mean, he's a. kid. We [laughter] shouldn't be scared. of him. But like there's a reason you. use kids in horror movies. He was like. scared. He just kept circling us and. we're like, I guess. >> he was happy to see other humans. >> He was happy to be around us, too. Maybe. I don't know. But yeah, it was a. dark time. >> That's You see that? That's when you. knew who like loved comedy. Oh, >> there were comedians during co. They're like. [clears throat] They're like, "I'm not. stopping.". >> Yeah. You were doing it in parking lots. >> I was My main thing was roofs, but yeah, I did a lot of parking lots, but roofs.

were my big thing during co Yeah. I I. loved it. I got really hooked on it. because it was like. >> I mean I don't know if I think I got. worse at comedy because it was hard to. tell what was hitting cuz you're like. you're like well you you're doing the. math in your head like that hit on this. roof but it didn't hit on this roof. Like I'm doing roofs in Bushwick. I'm. doing them in the Lower East Side. I'm. doing them in Hell's Kitchen. works on. the 32nd floor. [laughter]. >> Dude, it was it was a confusing time. And also, you know, some nights it would. be packed and some nights, you know, 18.

people. But people were desperate. >> Yeah, >> they were desperate. I remember reading. this book. I forgot the title, but it. was about these like ancient settlers. and they and it's like do how like music. just got them through the winters. And I. was like, "Oh [ __ ] people need this.". It was the same way. Okay, they'd be. freezing, but they'd be playing music. and they just gather around and it was. like, "Oh, this is keeping us going.". And I felt that way about comedy a. little bit because I saw people. laughing. I was like, "Holy [ __ ] that. guy need that joke wasn't even that. good, but that guy needed to laugh.". >> That's why I had a hard time telling it. was good. I think people like wanted It. was the same way. It was the same way.

people came out right after co like. >> I was [clears throat] about to say, yeah, >> they were coming to shows like I'd never. seen. I was like, "This is and some of. them forgot how to behave. Some of them. they'd be in public. They'd be in a. movie theater and they'd be like, "Yeah, I'm just going to scream drunk." I'm. like, "Yeah, you can't do that." You. know, but they were like, "That is what. I do at my place." You know, [laughter]. people forgot how to be humans during it. was so I mean some people still aren't. good, dude. I mean I go I mean you see. it around the country. You go around you. go to downtowns now in every city and. you're like people are there's like a. real drug problem in this country that.

they're not addressing. You just go. around and you're just like this is. someone's kid. This is crazy. You know, I think the the the worst thing we did. around the world, there were two. countries I know that did it in some. way, but it's almost like they it's. almost like they stumbled onto it. One was intentional, but it wasn't for. co I think there was a stampede in. Korea. Stand to be corrected, but I. think it was in Korea. There was a huge. stampede and a bunch of people died and. it was at a party origin. It was a whole.

thing, but they had a day of mourning. And I remember watching that and and I. was going wait what what is happening. here? And the whole country just had to. pause and go we are going to. collectively mourn this loss. [snorts] And the second version of it I. saw which wasn't intentional was when. the queen died in England and she died. just on the other side of co you know. what I mean? >> Yeah. And people were lined up to go to. the church. And I remember like one. story, David Beckham was standing in.

line like didn't like VIP. It didn't. skip the line. Waited with people for. hours just in the line with them. And. people were crying. And and I remember. looking that looking that at that and. thinking to myself, I know some people. are crying for a legacy and a time. that's lost and a piece of their country. and but I was like, "Yeah, but a lot of. people here are crying because they. didn't get to cry about co. >> Do you know what I mean?". >> Oh, dude. I I cried at Simpsons episodes. during a co. >> I was like I don't think it's I don't. think it's the Simpsons that's breaking. me right now. I think there's some other. Yeah. But we didn't we we never like we.

never. >> those are those are like the moments I. think of where as as comedian Yeah. I go. >> everyone just went back to it never was. a thing whether you would love to forget. what you believe or don't believe. Forget everything. Forget vaccines. Forget co even as real or not real. Just. remember a time when we couldn't go. outside and a lot of people were dying. Okay, >> people from Florida, you can skip this. part of the podcast, but uh [laughter].

>> you lucky bastards. >> You had a great time. [laughter]. >> You had a great time during co remember. I'd do a weekend once in a while in like. Florida or Texas and I'd be like I'm. grateful to be working right now. This. is crazy. But I'm like, you guys know. what's happening in New York right now? You're like reporting news. You're like, did you hear [laughter] what happened? I felt like a messenger boy, >> you know, on the YouTube video when. they're like when they're like people. commonly skip this. Yeah. People in they. they they skip this part. >> But like I don't know, man. I I think. that collective thing. It's You're not.

wrong. That's why people didn't forget. just how to act, but we also forgot how. to feel in a certain way. >> When's the last time we were all on the. same page about anything as a country? Like we're not on the same page as a. human race or as a world. It's gotten. trust me, it's gone everywhere. >> I mean, the Super Bowl used to be a. thing where like it's the Super Bowl. This is great. And now it's like now. people were like, "Fuck Taylor Swift.". I'm like, "Who gives a shit?". >> Yeah. >> Or, you know, or or they'll be furious. about the I don't even remember who did. the last Super Bowl. What band? >> Kendrick. >> Kendrick. Before Kendrick was the last. one. Yeah.

>> No one's I think Prince is the last time. everyone's like, "All right, that was a. good show.". >> Everyone else people are like they. either love it or they're like, "Fuck. that." You know, >> it always means something. It It's. always the end of your like side. It's. always I will say it's become worse in. America in that in that way but it's. become pervasive all around the world. where everyone has made everything. seemed like it is a loss or a victory. for them. You you know what I mean? What. what do you mean by that? >> So like.

I remember a time I remember a time when. like. >> it's going to go into black and white. film noir. >> Yeah. Right. Let me tell you about a. time when I [laughter]. when I was young, boy. I No, no, no. I. said this to a friend the other day. I. said, "Do you remember when people were. allowed to just not like something but. not say that it was shit?". >> Like I when I was younger, people would. say, "What's your favorite sitcom?" And. someone would go, "Friends." And then.

you would go, "Oh no, mine is Family. Ties or Family Matters." You know what I. mean? Family matters. and they'd be. like, "No, mine is, you know, Full House. or mine is." But no one I don't remember. anyone going like, "Friends is shit.". People just went like, "Oh, I I don't. like Friends and I don't watch it.". >> And they would move on. And then over time, gradually, and I. don't know if it gets more engaging, they call it rage bait now, right? You. get rage, it's rage bait if you're just. like, >> "Uh, this the soprano sucked. Do.

something." and you're just like, "It. didn't suck." You know, but they're just. like, "I think it sucked." And you're. like, "Well, you could have said that.". >> But that's what I mean. But that's what. I mean about like the loss and the win. for your side is like. >> if Taylor Swift performs, >> then the world we now live in tells you. that you are losing if you're not a. Taylor Swift person. >> How dare you not get Yeah. It's like, I. can't believe they chose Taylor Swift as. the or if Kendrick performs, it's like. you've now lost. I can't believe. Kendrick is now. But it's like, yo, man,

every year someone would just perform at. a thing and something would happen and. it's not your thing and some this movie. wins an Oscar, that one doesn't. But it. it doesn't mean that you've lost. But. now I feel like we've made it in society. >> tribal. >> Yeah, we've but we made it that people. have lost. >> for no reason. >> Also, you're allowed to just be like, for me personally, like I don't have. like a strong opinion on Taylor Swift. I. think she has some good songs. I don't. really listen to her. Strong opinions. >> My my niece loves [laughter] My niece is. obsessed with her. strong opinion, >> but it makes my niece happy. So, I'm. like, "Oh, good." You know, that's my.

opinion basically on her, you know. >> So, I It's funny. No, it's funny you say. that. We were chatting yesterday. Obviously, we knew you coming on and. we're chatting about this and I said, >> I feel like Sam, and please don't feel. like this is like a lot of pressure. I. was like, I feel like you are the like. one of the final bastions of comedy. right now. >> Oh, [ __ ]. >> Yeah, I know that. I said, don't feel. the pressure. I specifically told you. not to feel the pressure. Don't feel the. pressure. I'll tell you why. Because your comedy specifically, in my. opinion, still exists in a place where.

everyone feels like it's for them. Do. you know what I mean? >> You weren't in my show last night at the. comedy seller. Jesus Christ. I still. have rough ones there sometimes. >> No, no, but but rough is part of comedy. >> I love it. Yeah. >> No, no. Rough is part of comedy. I mean, like Dave Chappelle taught me, you can. go to a show and bomb. It doesn't matter. how great you are. That's part of. comedy. You work in the craft. I'm not. saying that. >> Yeah. >> What I'm saying is your comedy is for. everyone. What I mean by this is I've. seen somebody who considers themselves. Republican, conservative, whatever, go, I love Samurel.

>> Oh, thanks. >> I've seen somebody who goes like, "Ah, I'm a full-on liberal, Democrat. I love. Samurell." I've seen someone go, "I. don't care about politics. I hate both. sides. I love Samurel." And I go, "Ah. man, this guy is keeping something that. societyy's losing more and more of.". >> Well, I said earlier like I I don't see. that I see myself as like an. entertainer. So I if I I'm my goal is to. kill the room and you know be who I am. Like you're not going to, you know, compromise yourself and pander, but I. think they the crowd is too smart. They.

can tell if you're pandering. So you. have to just be you. And if it works, it. works. But, you know, some sometimes. it's not for everybody. I I see some. shows and I'm like, "Oh, that joke's not. for everybody, but I like it, so I'm. keeping it." Every once in a while you. get like one or two of those per. special, but uh. >> No, it's hard, man. And it's hard to. stay true to who you are and still. connect cuz you get older and you're. kind of just like I don't I want to do. this joke. I think this joke is funny. I.

think there's something here. And I'll. get stubborn with it and I'll keep. hammering it. Like I have some jokes. that I think are I don't want to call. them like crowd-pleasers, but they're. they're for everybody. They're a little. safer. >> You need to have those safer jokes to. get to the ones I'm like this one's a. little unsafe. This is this going to. work? I don't I like this a lot. But, you know, it also it depends on the. crowd. Like, I have a whole new chunk on. going to Amsterdam and not getting into. the Anne Frank House. They wouldn't let. me in. And it was a long story. And I. was like I was so mad when they didn't. let me in. And then I was like, "Oh, wait a second. I'm going to get a bit.

whenever something bad happens to me in. any way." Even that's not even that bad. What happened to Anne Frank was worse, let's face it. But, uh, I was upset, too. But, [laughter] uh, I had a rat in. my home last month, and I live on the. 14th floor of a of a nice building, so I. was shocked to see a rat, and I was so. upset. But then I was like that comedy. is the one thing that you're like I'm. going to get a joke out of this. That's. the one thing that like. >> if I don't get a joke out of this I. suck. If I I'm telling my mom about on. the phone and she's laughing so hard cuz. I'm making jokes about the rat and stuff. and she was like you'll get a joke out.

of this. I said I'll get a joke. So it's. it's exciting to to you know write new. stuff. Like I hate bombing but like I. don't know. I still love I love doing. this still. I get every once in a while. I'll do too many shows and I'll get like. I'll be like oh I I don't I don't I. don't want to do a show tonight. I hate. when I feel that way. I try to stay very. excited about like so I try to not. overdo it so I can stay Oh, I'm so. excited to go on tonight. You know, >> speaking of excitement, why weren't you.

lent into the NFR house? >> Cuz it's a hot ticket apparently. Uh I. booked. I booked the walking tour. >> Wait, wait, wait. There's a stay in. tour. >> There's. >> where you can stay inside the closet. [laughter]. >> They want they want you to buy they want. it's like a house and then there's a. parent. I didn't know there was a. walk-in tour. >> Um but yeah, I uh the line I said to the. lady was uh I was I was under the. impression she was cooped up. I didn't. know there was a walking tour. Damn. But. uh and [laughter] I was like, "Oh, this.

is a bit I got a bit cooking." So, I. kept going with it. But, uh I kept going. and I got a long bit out of it. But now. I'm going back to Amsterdam next month. and I'm like I better I want another. part to this bit. I want part two. I get. in. I I posted like a joke how I I. didn't get in and the Jewish mafia came. after me like like Amy Schumer, Jessica. Seinfeld. They're like what can we do? I. was like what do you mean what can you. do? I'm [laughter]. >> you have a hookup for the Anne Frank. house. They were like trying to help. I'm like what? I don't know. All these. Jews were like hitting me up [laughter]. like we must do something. I'm like it's.

not that big a deal. I'm just making it. I'm going to go to the Van Go Museum. It's fine. It's not. >> Yeah. But you see Okay. So now let's. let's pause and this is what I mean. about you. This is this is exactly what. I mean is like you have a man it's it's. it superpower might be the wrong word. but it's almost like. >> let's dial that here. >> No. Okay. That's what I'm saying. The. wrong it might be the wrong word. Here's. what I think it is. >> You are. almost less allergic to the things that. a lot of people in society are now. allergic to. You with me? >> So what I think a lot of people.

>> a Jew I never hear that. So. >> So. >> we complain about everything. But this. is what I mean is this is this is what I. mean is you you go you don't get into. the Anne Frank Museum whatever now the. people around you are responding like ah. how could this you get there's a. reaction. >> I get that for a second but then. immediately it's like you have. >> that's what I mean you have more of a. resistance. >> you have to just think like anytime. something bad happens you think if I. don't make it funny then I'm worthless I. I really feel that way as a comic like. if I can't make a bad as you said like. that that trans swimming joke I that's.

not something that's something that's. something that happened to me that's. just like an observation, but that's. something that hasn't been worked. through, so I I have to work through my. stuff, >> right? >> It's why like a breakup joke, you ever. write a breakup joke that's it's too. soon where you're like, "Oh, that's. >> you audience.". >> I guess for both. But I'll write the. joke and I'm just like, "Well, this is. funny." And then they're just like. really sad. You're like, "Oh [ __ ] I. think that's funny." But like a I. remember I had a joke that never worked. about my biological father that I. thought was really funny. It never. worked. It was about um how when my dad.

who adopted me, he was a great I love my. dad. He's a great dad. He's was. technically my stepdad. I just call him. dad. But when that when you have that. adoption, you need to get the signature. of your biological father of the. biological father. So I said, it's kind. of like the opposite of a UPS package. Like here's my signature and I don't. want this. >> Never worked. It just made the crowd sad. to me. I was like, that's a funny joke, but it just I could I heard the crowd go. a telling my therapist and he was like, well, and awe means they care about you. I'm like, I know, but I'm going for a. laugh. You want the laugh? >> If I sign this, it means I don't have to.

take responsibility. Yes. Yes. >> Stay in here. That's [laughter] what it. felt like. >> Yeah. >> I'm trying to figure out why that. wouldn't connect though. No, cuz it is. funny. I'm just trying to figure out. like never worked. >> Well, look, it's not a science. Like. sometimes you just Yeah. It just never. worked. >> I think it is a science and I think. that's how you treat it. Yeah. >> Oh. Uh I I No, I if it were a science, I. think I would know before it was on. stage. >> No, but but that's what science is if. you think about it for the most part. Like science is constantly running an. experiment to try and figure out why the. thing does or doesn't. And then you're.

trying to narrow down why one element. does you know what I mean? It's process. It's a process of elimination for the. most part. So you're going this causes. this reaction. Is it because of this or. is it because of that? And you try you. try to remove what the correlation is. and then you try and figure out if this. is causing this or if this is just. happening because this is happening at. the same time. And that's why I think it. is a science in many ways. It's a social. science, you know. So you're going you. might find like you change one thing. That's what I love about comedy. You. change one word in that whole joke, all. of a sudden it work. You might find. changing it from I felt like a UPS.

package versus it was like a UPS. package. You you you never know what. happens. >> I feel like I felt personalizes it too. much. To me, that makes it sadder. >> I felt I I I try to remove feelings. I. think when I feel in a joke, if the. joke's not funny, I have to be a little. numb to it at this point. Like that's. why breakup jokes they hit so much. harder like six months after as opposed. to like a week after because it's too. real. They're just like, "Oh, that's. sad." You know, they they feel for you. They're like they feel like they almost. shouldn't be laughing sometimes, too. I.

think I think they can sense the rawness. of it. >> No, that's true. Yeah, that that's true. But what I'm saying is sometimes that's. that's what I I think is magical about. comedy is we sometimes don't even know. like we have an assumption, right, as. comedians and then we'll do a thing. We've all had that. You tell a joke. [snorts] and you're you're trying to get. to this part of a punchline. and the audience loves like a random. thing that you didn't even cons you. don't even realize the words that you're. saying are eliciting something and.

sometimes you go why why are they. laughing? What are they I'm sure have. you ever experienced and then an. audience member goes man I loved how you. said that and you're like oh I wasn't. trying to say that actually. Yeah, you. stumble backwards into one. That's a. gift. That's a When that happens, that'll happen in stories sometimes. Sometimes I'll You ever have like a. story where you're like, I know the. ending. I know what the ending is. And. now now that I know of an ending that. works, I can now experiment for like 2. minutes in between and see what's funny. cuz I don't know yet. So yeah, I had.

Yeah, I had a whole thing about the rat. and I I didn't know it was funny until I. just kept saying it. But I had one of. the exterminators kept describing the. rats as smart and for some reason that. kept hitting. I was like, "Why is every. I guess it is funny to be like. complimenting the rodent?" But I but I. just kept using that. I kept being like, "Oh, the rat." I was like, "Are the glue. traps going to work?" They're like, "We. don't know. He's smart." And I was just. like, "Oh my god, it was annoying me so. much." And for some like little words, you're just like I guess calling a rat. smart is kind of funny. I especially the. exterminator calling the rat smart cuz. for me it evokes this idea of it's it's.

like a it's now it's like a trope in a. way. It's like they've got this little. rivalry amongst them. They've got like a. I don't know like I just think you know. Sylvester and Tweety it's it's a whole. like. >> they've got an understanding and respect. for each other's traits. He's smart. He. tried to kill me. We do it every day. >> Yeah. You know what I mean? It's like. you don't know these rats. They smart. man. They smart. Like I you know what I. mean? I got to respect them. >> Well the the annoying thing is I hated. the first exterminator because he like. was just putting glue traps everywhere. and I was like what what are you. >> How many rats did you have? >> Just one. But it was I mean just one.

doesn't even sound good by the way. I. only had one. >> You can't really bring a woman home. either way. You're like, "I just have. one rat. It'll be fine. [laughter] We'll. close the door." But uh No, it was. disgusting. I can't I I was. >> Did you see the rat or did you see the. droppings? >> Both. I saw him. He was a fat dude, too. Oh, he was big on the high floor. >> 14th floor. Yeah. It Look, it's New York. City, so it doesn't matter. I asked I. was asking the building. They were like, "Yeah, like every building has has them. You just got to be nervous about the. walls if there's a hole anywhere they.

can find." But, uh, it's. >> They chew through the drywall in. America. No. Yeah. Because we use bricks. for most of our housing, so there's no. But here, the rat can just chew through. the walls and then just like in the. cartoons. >> Oh yeah. >> Yeah. >> Oh, you want to hear the most violating. [ __ ] the rat did to me? I had one of. those camel back backpacks, you know, with the straw that you sip. [laughter]. Like he nibbled the straw down for the. water. And I was like, "Oh, this is so. violating. I'm so upset." Cuz I went to. cuz I would just drink out of it cuz I. would just like walk [laughter] around. drink. You did?

>> No, I didn't drink after I saw it. I. just looked. I was like, "Oh, shit.". >> I I felt so violated by I hated the And. my friend had just told me a story. I. have a friend in LA and she was telling. me um how she had a rat in her home in. LA and how this is way worse cuz she was. so scared of the rat. Uh she just woke. up and the rat was starved trying to. nibble her finger and she freaked out in. her bed and she flipped over a dresser. The rat ran behind it and she just fell. on the floor and panicked and kicked the. dresser into the rat and smooshed the.

rat. And I was like, "That's [ __ ]. rat." Yeah. And then she told me she had. another rat. There were two. And I was. like, "What the [ __ ] are you living?". You know, she had a nice place. And she. uh there was another one. And she got it. on a on a glue trap, which is hard cuz. they smell the human scent on the So. they if if they smell human scent, they're like, "Oh, I'm out of here. I'm. not touching that." But she [laughter]. just took the other rat on the glue trap. and just dropped it in her pool. >> No. >> Cuz she didn't want to deal with it. >> It's like a Tarantino movie [laughter]. but of rats. >> Yeah. Oh, it's awful. But dude, I they.

got it. The crazy way they got it was I. had two exterminators come by and the. second one was like he was even wor. The. first one sucked and the second one it. was Liz from the comedy seller got me. this first exterminator. >> I thought you saying Liz was the. exterminator. The second one it was. >> I would trust Liz. But [laughter]. >> but but no the the he just leaves glue. traps anywhere and he wasn't even like. confident. >> That's the first one. >> Yeah. And I was like I was like are. these going to work? He's like maybe. he's he's the one who kept calling him. smart. So, I was so annoyed. And then. [laughter] uh he's leaving glue traps.

everywhere and and I'm like, "Will they. work?" He's like, "Pro." Like, "Probably." He was not confident at all. And then the second guy who came by, I. was like, "I need a better guy cuz that. guy sucked." And he was just looking at. all of his stuff and he was like, "No, the last guy did a really good job." And. I was like, "I called you cuz I don't. think he did a good job." So, I got two. guys who suck. So, the guys that. eventually got him were five days later. And I five nights I had a rat in my. apartment. And I was devastated going to. bed every night because you know like. we're night people. So I was just like. this is it sucks. I know he's going to. come out soon. And um [laughter].

I I on a Sunday morning I called these. guys and they show up with hockey. sticks. Three dudes with hockey sticks. And I was like what's with the hockey. sticks? They're like we usually would. use people's like you know baseball bats. or brooms to kill rats if we were at. their place but we just like got our own. things. So they three dudes with hockey. sticks. I leave because I play in a. comics basketball game on Sundays and he. texts me a picture of a dead rat 10. minutes later and they found it and I.

just and I wrote, "You found him dead.". And he wrote, "I made him dead.". >> Damn. >> Yeah. He They took care of it. >> It's like the mighty ducks of. >> hockey sticks. I'm proud of. >> Just imagine how random it is. You open. your door and there's three guys with. hockey sticks. >> Dude, my doorman hated them. They were. like uh they were like, "These guys are. assholes." I was like, "How are they. assholes?" I'm like I guess they were. like cursing when they came in, but I. was like I [ __ ] love these [laughter]. guys. They were they were cursing and. they had. >> guys in jumpsuits. and they were cursing and they all had.

and they had weapons which I was like he. was like why did they. >> who were they cursing? >> I guess the door man. They were. characters. They were colorful. I mean. look, you need rough around the edges. The the basic exterminators weren't. getting the job done. These guys found. the rat in 10 [ __ ] minutes. It was. incredible. >> Yeah. >> I was so grateful. I I slept like a baby. that night, dude. >> So there hasn't been a rat ever since? No, this was like a month ago. I hope. there's not. I mean, jeez, I. Yeah. No, that was awful. It was an. awful experience. It's just, you know, cuz you just don't It's your home. You. want to walk around barefoot and feel. good, you know?

>> It's weird how rats They are smart, by. the way. Just generally, >> do you recognize this guy? >> No. No. No. But they [laughter] are. smart. >> Some Sometimes I wish we could like just. negotiate with like what we consider. pests. >> Yeah. >> Cuz like rats are really smart. Apparently, they make great pets. They're really easy to train. >> But God, it's weird when people have a. rat as a pet. >> No, it's weird because we think of rats. as weird. I agree with you. >> Well, they're filthy. Those are like. different types of not filthy. apparently. >> Well, that rat was was really dirty. >> No, no, but here's the thing. Like,

humans can also be filthy if you just. leave them in the streets. >> H, >> you sound like a rat sympathizer, dude. I don't know. [laughter]. >> Same guy who showers before going to the. gym. >> Guys, listen. Listen to what I'm saying. >> What I'm saying is. >> the culture, whatever you grow up with, you think that's weird or normal, right? Yeah. >> So, if we grew up with rats, we would. think that dogs are weird. >> Uhuh. Uhuh. >> We would. >> I think I think we're in too deep with. this rat hate, dude. I I see him on. this. I can I can appreciate like like. celebrity rats. Pizza rat. He was great.

Uh [laughter]. >> Ratatouille was great. >> Celebrity rats. Pizza rats. >> Well, I saw a rat in the street last. night and I was charmed by it. I thought. it was funny. He ran. He was like. grabbing his food and I was like, "Good. that you should be in the street.". >> Okay. >> If you're in the street, I got no. problem with you. But in my home, no. I. I. >> not in my backyard. >> No. >> Samurel the nimi. The rat nimi. [laughter]. >> I don't want I don't want to r. >> I have no problem with rats in the. street. BUT YOU DON'T BRING THAT RAT. AROUND MY HOUSE. NOT AROUND MY DAUGHTER.

OKAY. [laughter] You can marry who you. want to marry. >> This is a leaf. >> You want to marry who you want to marry. >> Trouble is the gles of I decide who's a. rat head. [laughter]. >> Oh man. >> Well, that was the book mouse, weren't. they? They were they were uh. >> Oh, yes. That is actually what it was. Yeah, you're not wrong. That's You just. brought it around cuz that actually. >> that actually was the book. Yeah, >> they were mice. So, we were. >> Look at that, man. You see, you think. this is what comedians do. We stumbled. on some deep, >> you know. By the way, they banned that. It was some Florida school banned that. uh for nudity.

>> Wow. That's one reason to ban it. >> That's why they That's why you ban a. book about the Holocaust. Uh is a nude. uh mouse. >> Hm. whoever was doing the book banning like. they went. >> cuz when you saw some of the books that. were banned it almost felt like an AI. that didn't know what the banning cuz. they just went like no nudity in kids. books. >> right. >> and then this is going back to what you. were saying about people you remember. what I was saying like everyone wins and. losses I remember someone was like we. shouldn't ban the books and then I asked.

which books are being banned and someone. the person responded they were like it. doesn't matter I was like well it might. matter just which books are being banned. and then they were like yo book was. banned. I was like, "All right, that I. think that's weird." I was like, "I. think it's weird.". >> Yeah. >> I don't know why they banned my book. >> Ban your book. >> No, that's I was like, "I don't know.". But I said, "Which other books have been. banned?" And then they there was like a. book that it was like a children's book, but it had like just dicks out and like. boobs and it was like a weird book. I. forget what the premise of the book was. >> You forgot. >> They banned hustler in children's.

[laughter] schools. This is crazy. Hockey. And I remember and I remember. saying [laughter]. >> and I remember saying I remember saying. I was like, "Oh, that's a weird book.". >> Yeah, >> that's a weird book. >> Okay. >> You know, kids shouldn't read that. I. mean, >> and a bunch of the other books were not. weird. And so I was saying the thing. that I didn't like was that no one was. able to have like a normal logical. conversation about it was either your no. books should be banned or all books. should be banned. And I was and I was.

going, "Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Maybe we could just do this. on a case by case basis. Maybe we. >> But it made these books punk rock." Like. all those books selling out on Amazon. You go to Barnes & Noble, they have a. band book section, and you're like, "Are. they really?" They're not really banned. If I can if I'm going to I'm like, "Were. the band books?" Like, "Oh, they're. right right in the front right here.". So, [laughter]. >> wasn't that bad? >> It It just became like a You know, >> someone was one of those. >> Yeah, it was. >> That's crazy. I bet it helped sales. though. I bet they're like, you know, >> I don't know if it did or it didn't, but. it just like I just remember being like,

why is my It was a weird emotional. feeling because on the one hand, I was. angry that my book got banned. On the. other hand, I was like, yeah. [laughter]. >> But then I didn't know what to be Yeah. about. >> You shouldn't have put that whole full. penetration chapter in the middle, dude. That's what did it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. The sketches didn't help. [laughter]. >> The coloring. >> Me and my naked rat. >> It didn't help at all. >> Don't press anything. [music] We've got. more. What now? After this,

[music]. >> I wanted I wanted to talk to you about. um you know when you're talking about. like being adopted and what do you mean. being adopted? >> Adopted. That was just a term was. legally adopted because when my mom. raised me for the first few years and. then she married who is my dad. So uh. and then I got a stepbrother and step. sister. I just call my brother and. sister. They are. Yeah. >> I love that you guys have to say this. like. >> who's you guys? >> White people. >> Oh. >> Um because. >> No, because like in [laughter] No, we're.

grandfathered in. It's okay. >> No, because in if you think about how we. grew up, >> it can be like. you could just grow up in the same house. and you don't have to say I call them my. brother and no, this is my brother and. sister. >> I just say that cuz people look at my. when I'm like this is my brother. They're just like you guys don't look. alike. I'm like just just [ __ ] go. with it, you know? >> Oh yeah. No, no, you move to Africa. No. one will even you don't there's no. >> you just go this is my brother this is. my sister no one is even allowed to say. but you don't look this just just keep. it moving so wait so.

>> so he legally my dad's a lawyer so he. was like I want to take you to court I. want to make it official it was like. legal legal adoption which is just it's. yeah it wasn't Oliver Twist you know. it's just [laughter]. >> oh no I I didn't know if it was like a. >> no I had a good childhood it wasn't uh. you know [laughter]. >> like the rat you murder. >> No, I was just I was just wondering if. it was like a you know, I was like, "Oh, damn. Got adopted and it was a whole. thing and they had to fight for you. legally and you know.". >> Wait, so for the first few years it was. just you and your mom.

>> Yeah. >> Then he gets married to your dad. >> Yeah. >> Then it's you, your mom, and your dad. for a while. >> And and a brother and sister. >> So they came immediately after. I mean. your brother. >> probably they got married when I was. probably six or seven. Yeah. >> How many good years did you have before? >> How many good [clears throat] years? >> The steps came in. >> Ooh. Well, yeah. That is the one thing. that's weird, right? you're used to. having your mom all to yourself and then. and then she gets [clears throat]. married, you're like, "Hey, you used to. watch all my [ __ ] antics a second. ago. [laughter] Now I got to now I got. to share you with this dad. What the. hell?" Um, yeah. I remember one time I.

when [laughter] I was really young, I. wanted my mom's attention so much all. the time. I was probably like six. I. just ran into the room and they clearly. were trying to have sex and I was just. like doing some like thing and and I. [laughter] just I just remember my dad's. face just like, "Oh god, Jesus." Like. this kid's such a [ __ ] [laughter] block. What the hell? >> Um, >> yeah, you go. You go for. >> I didn't know at the time. I just knew. he was annoyed. I didn't know what. [laughter] you didn't know why he was. annoyed. >> I was too young to know what sex was. I. didn't know what it was, but I Yeah, I.

was a kid. [laughter]. >> The idea of you just. >> I was just trying. Oh, dude. I was a. real show kid. I did at their wedding. I. sang Give My Regards to I had a top hat. on. >> No, I told you. Yeah, >> you told me. >> At some point has to wear a top a hat. You did say that. >> Film Noir. You did say this. Yeah, but I. didn't picture [laughter] you. I I know. this sounds crazy, but I pictured you as. like also like a dry witty kid. >> I was but I love but I was a New Yorker, so I love I was very dry, but then for. some reason I was like they were like, "Do you want to give a speech at the. wedding?" And I was like, "No, I'll.

perform is what I thought." And for some. reason your inner. >> What did you perform? Uh [laughter] give. my regards to Broadway the song. So I. was in a top hat and uh and a cane and I. sang that. >> Top hat. [laughter]. >> It was like a paper top hat. It was like. a fake top hat. >> You made it. No, it was like a from a. party store. It wasn't like a fancy top. hat. It was like a stupid. >> Oh man, this is amazing. How old How old. are you and this is happening? [laughter]. >> Probably six or seven legend. >> It killed. >> You tell me you have video. >> I I I got to ask my mom if we. >> Someone had to You got to put that in.

like a special at the end of one of your. specials or at the beginning. >> I You know what? That's not bad. I'll. ask. That's like an amazing thing to. just put in the end or the beginning of. one of your specials. [laughter]. >> And I think about their wedding. They. got married the day of the Puerto Rican. parade, so they couldn't get any good. pictures. [laughter] Every picture was. just like they was like pushed to the. side. This is just [snorts] mayhem in. the city. [laughter]. But uh No, [clears throat]. >> man. >> It was uh No, it was [laughter] it was. definitely like, you know, No, I. definitely wasn't that type of kid. It.

was weird that I did that, but I just. loved. >> Oh, so that was out of character. >> It was a little out of character. I just. liked I had a weird thing where like I. kind of liked musicals cuz I was a kid. and I was never like a song and dance. kid, but I just thought I was like, "Oh, that's like a cool New York thing. That's a cool New York song. I'm I'm. giving like a cool this is like a cool. moment for my parents." Clearly, they. were like, "This is ridiculous." But. just let [laughter] him have the floor. >> Yeah. >> I think I just wanted I think it was. important to be the center of attention. You have that weird comic thing where. you're like, I need to like I need to. show off a I need to cuz my family was.

very uh quiet at the table. Like my mom. and I weren't, but my my brother, sister, and dad were my dad was a little. more talky, but my brother and sister. were very quiet. So, I was kind of just. like, you know, you're just like you're. working stuff out con. You're like, let's I'm used to noise at dinner. So, I'm I'm making noise. I'm making jokes. And I think, you know, I would see like, let's see the furthest, you want to see. the furthest you can possibly go, right, with. >> you. Did they break? >> Yeah. Sometimes I would do really stupid. stuff. They I was definitely in my mind.

the lowest brow member of the family. Like you know my brother and sister were. super smart and overachievers and I was. horribly behaved in school. So I think I. I was like I was how can I get. attention? I'm not going to be smarter. than them. So I just would be outrageous. and I would just say the the [ __ ] up. thing always and that would break them. And then um. >> you know but you also have that thing. you don't realize you're like well maybe. I have a low self-esteem cuz I'm you. know the I'm starting to feel like the. black sheep of the family. Yeah. So, so. I'm so you know, you start acting out in. school and the teacher like why is he.

doing this? And you're like, well, I. just I'm trying to get attention some. I'm trying to find my lane. I don't know. what my lane is. So, >> um you go from being like the bad kid in. school to eventually like how can I turn. this? And then eventually I started just. getting good grades cuz they medicated. me and um that really helped. Oh, they. medicated the [ __ ]. >> While you had the top hat on, [laughter]. >> they saw that hat. They're like, "That. kid's got to be on drive." hand. >> Yeah. >> They uh No, they gave me some ADD stuff.

I started I I was all over the place. So. they I finally started focusing then. getting good grades and then I was like, "Okay, let me um let me try to get the. teachers laughing too." And that kind of. went to like So now my mom got so sad. She cuz she thought I was like I saw. myself as this [ __ ] And I was and. that in that point I was I was you know. I just I was like I'll be the fun guy. I'll just get drunk all the time. And uh. >> you want to be that uncle in the family. >> Oh, I I am. They have kids and I don't. I mean, I'm totally that. I mean, I'm. not opposed to having kids, but that. that's where I'm at right now. I am like.

the fun drunk uncle. That's totally what. I am. >> I was about to say I spoke to someone. who was in a similar situation as you. and they realized when they had half. siblings and they had a stepdad, they. saw their mom mothering and they saw. their stepdad as a dad. And then they. felt, oh, observer of the whole family. dynamic and they saw themselves as a. little bit of an outsider at times. >> Oh, that's interesting. Like almost. like they watched the family. >> Yes. >> Oh, that's interesting. I feel that way.

>> You were you were in it, though. >> Yeah. I I I feel like they made an. effort. If anything, I felt like it was. got weird for my sister for a minute. Cuz my dad would be like, "Let's go out. We'll do guy stuff." And I'd be like, "Why does she get to come? She's not a. guy." You know? I was more like I was. like I'm like, "I'm going to make her. the outsider." You know? But uh no, I. didn't feel weird. They were um they. were they were inclusive with me. you. were just like a fullon. So, keeping. keeping with that theme though, do you do you revel in being the. outsider? Cuz I mean like I feel like.

different comedians have different vibes. in terms of what it seems like they're. trying to do, you know? So, some. comedians seem like they're trying to. stay as the outsider in their act. Other. comedians are trying to become the. insider in the act, you know? It's like. this is all of us. Some comedians are. trying to like make the audience feel. like they're the outsiders and they're. the normal everyone has. But. >> I never I never saw myself as an. outsider. I I always saw myself, like I. said, entertainer before, like trying to. bring the room together, like finding. common ground. Like I always like comics.

like that. And I think. >> it probably stem from some thing in my. family where I was like, let's like. we're a family now. Let's let's get on. the same page. Let's let's be let's get. a good if I could get everyone laughing, it felt so good, you know? So, um, >> so then how do you how do you find the. balance between So, for instance, one of. my favorite things I I I love of yours. is your interviews. >> Uh, yeah. >> If you if we'll actually play one for. this episode, Samurel on a local news. station somewhere [laughter].

>> is the greatest thing. >> because Yeah. No, my publicist text me, you give me nightmares. I have. nightmares when I book you on these cuz. I know I'm going to get an angry. [laughter] email. She she gets so mad at. me and she I'm like, "Well, then don't. work with me. You don't have to work. with me." She's like, "No, it's fun.". She admits [laughter] it's fun. But then. she's like she'll get emails from people. where she'll be like, "Uh, she'll try to. book." I'm like, "I bet they don't even. remember that you represent me when you. picture other clients to these shows.". And she's like, "Maybe." And then she. told me there was some interview I did. where I just made up there was a human.

trafficking problem in Columbus, Ohio. And I would and I wouldn't let it go for. the whole interview. [laughter] And and. the guy just got so mad by the end. And. then she uh she messaged them a month. later for another one of her clients. And they were like, "We'll have your. person on, but just, you know, we had. this guy last month. He wouldn't shut up. about human [laughter] trafficking." And. she had to pretend like, "Oh, that's. horrible." Ah, I said, "I told you no. one knows. No one remembers you.". [laughter]. But she'll get really pissed at me. She. But then she But then she like, it's. like the reluctant like, "Well, your. mom, that's not funny." But she laughs.

>> It's not funny, but I found it funny. >> She gets so uncomfortable, though. She's. come to a couple and she's just like. she's like yeah she's she's so I I don't. really get uncomfortable cuz I I know. it's going to be funny so I'm like yeah. just fake a just fake that it's fine you. know. What do you make of the schism. that we've seen in comedy and maybe it. hasn't even been inside comedy versus. how people have seen comedy. I feel like. over the past maybe it's been 10 years 5. years I don't know I'm bad with time. People have sort of tried to make it. they go like there's this comedy and.

there's that comedy and they try and put. comedians in a place. >> Yeah. And I don't I remember. [clears throat] like like for me because. I was on the Daily Show, people. automatically just assumed they knew. everything about me. Do you know what I. mean? They were like, "Okay, we know who. you are. We think we know your politics, your beliefs, your everything cuz you're. on the Daily Show. It's like. presupposed." And if I would tell a joke. that didn't line up with what people. thought I was thinking, then the people who were like, let's. say, on my side, they would go, that was.

a mistake. And then the people who were. not on my side would go, I guess every. now and again he can be funny, but the. rest of the time he's [ __ ] You know. what I'm saying? And the craziest moment. for me was um I did the White House. correspondence dinner and. it's one of the few places left where. everyone is in the same room. Do you. know what I mean? >> They got rid of it too, right? It's. over. >> Yeah. I mean, now it'll come back, I. think. But it's one of the few places. where it's like Fox News is sitting. right there next to MSNBC and CNN is.

sitting right there next to And by the. way, this is something I keep telling. people and I wish more Americans knew. about their news, about their politics, about all of these forums. They're a lot. more friendly with each other than you. are with each other. Do you know what I. mean? >> Oh, it's they know it's a game. >> Yeah. But like I I wish people knew. this. I remember one of the first times. I experienced this. I just joined the. Daily Show as a tangent, but still I was. um we were on the road in New Hampshire. It was for the for the primaries. >> Yeah.

>> And I remember Hillary Clinton's staff. going out for dinner and hanging out. with um ah man, Lindsey Graham's staff. >> And I remember being like, "Whoa, don't. you guys" And they were like, "No, no, they get along and people they go to. dinner.". >> We got the night off. Lindsay's in a. hotel room with a guy, so we're good. [laughter]. Uh, and they were just like, they went, "We we get along. What do you mean?". They were like, "We get along.". >> And so any but anyway, my point is.

>> I mean, Trump was friends with with the. Clintons, you know, and and I the lock. them up thing I I really believe was. theatrics. I don't think he gave a [ __ ]. I think he was just trying to win. It. was wrestling. >> Yeah, it was wrestling. >> Yeah, that's all it was. So anyway, I'm. in that room. Everyone's there together. So now you get to make jokes that. everyone can laugh at because if I make. a joke that goes that hits Biden, then. Republicans will laugh. If I make a joke. that hits Trump or Fox or what, then you. know what I mean. So I'm telling these. jokes, >> but the Democrats get mad at you when.

you make too many Biden jokes. >> Oh, completely, completely. >> So I did the jokes. >> Yeah. >> Show went really well. The room to its. credit had a great time. >> Yeah. that week on Facebook, on Fox News, MS, MSNBC, wherever it was, people only had. the portion of the set. [laughter]. >> Yeah. >> That told the jokes that they, you know. what I mean? >> So, literally like there was right-wing. or conservative or, you know, Republican.

group on this side going, "Oh man, this. was actually quite funny." And the other. side was like, "Oh man, this is actually. quite funny." But no one was watching. the mix thing. And I like when I watch. your comedy, I go I I think specifically. about like some of the jokes you've done. where you you you always feel like a. reluctant hero for me cuz people people. try to make you a hero, right? >> What a good name for a special. >> Yeah, that is a great name for your. special to be honest because you'll tell. a joke and then I'll see people go Sam. Morel. That's what I like, man. He's.

here and he's he's telling jokes that. are great for women and finally he's. standing up to the manosphere and Sam's. like, I was just telling a joke about my. perspective on dating. >> Oh, I told this to everyone I did. I. remember I was at uh the Kelly Clarkson. show and uh one of the producers was. talking to me, trans person, and she was. like, "Oh my god, you're like, I love. your joke about trans swimmers." Like. it's one of my favorite. It's not that. joke. It's a different joke. joke from a. Netflix that went viral about like I. was, you know, it was pretty I just saw. so many anti-trans jokes and I was like. my mind is trained to go the other way.

I have no bad feelings towards any group. in this country. >> My my process is what's funny in my head. and it's to think differently a lot of. the time with a joke. And I thought it. was a funny take defending trans. swimmers. Like the angle is basically. like who give you don't give people. getting mad. I'm like you don't watch. women swimming. That was basically the. bulk of the angle. But um I told the. person, I said, "Just so you know, I. have a joke in my new special making fun. of one trans person. Not all, but one.

trans person who really hated me." And. she goes, "Oh, great." Like I was like, "I just don't want you to think that I'm. like some like savior. I'm literally. just making jokes." That was literally I. I just didn't want to I don't want to. get praise where you think I'm something. I'm not. So, as I said, I have no. problem with anybody. I'm good with. anybody until a person is an [ __ ] on. their own basis. Just one person. But uh. yeah, like I'll have a joke defending. women and then I'll have a joke making. fun of women because that's what jokes. are. I think they there are they are no.

one thing there. Whatever pops into my. head at that time. If something is sound. shitty and not like me, I'm not going to. tell it. But. >> you know, yeah, I had I had like eight. minutes of me too jokes that were pretty. >> pro- women in a special because to me. that's where my mind was at the time. I. thought I heard a lot of guys doing. jokes like, "You can't do anything with. women anymore." And I'm like, "Really? You're really having a hard time? Like, you just don't rape. That's really the. main thing, [laughter] you know, that's. what they're pissed about. Like, it's. not that big a deal." So, that was what.

my mind was with the Me Too stuff. And I. had a story about getting roofied in. college. It was like a whole thing. about, you know, to me it was a hilarious time to be a. man because of how low the bar was for. men, you know. So that was what my head. was with the me too stuff. And then you. know it's like you go in phases. I have. a joke now that like I have to I have to. like cut cuz I think it's women feel. it's hitting them too hard and I'm like. damn I like the I just thought it was a. funny joke. Yeah. But sometimes you have.

jokes where you're like I like this. I. have a joke about the WNBA that's like. pretty pro WNBA but women get pissed at. that one. I'm like [ __ ] I guess I have. to cut this one too. So. >> yeah. But how do you how do you decide? I I'd love to know how you how you. decide that because you like I said you. you you're an honest comic and you're. doing your thing, but I'd love to know. like how you how you choose this, especially in a world where everyone's. trying to choose it for you. It's the. batting average has to be high enough. that I'm not keeping it just to be. stubborn, you know? So, okay. So, so. look, if. >> if I like it and it's funny, that's part.

of it, but it's got to work. If it. doesn't work, then something's wrong. with it. As you just said with that, as. you pointed out with the tr thing, I. think you're right. The the swimming the. one I said earlier in the thing, I think. you're right. But, you know, I'll have a. joke that I think is really funny and. sometimes it'll kill and then you're. like, I always said if a joke is getting. groans in Portland, Oregon, you still. got like 10 years to tell it in like St. Louis, [laughter] you know, it's still. got some you still got some legs to go. in in other parts of the country, but. you're like, it's catching up. So, if. you want it to live forever, you might. you might want to drop it. I think uh.

I think Yeah, I think you just go with. your gut ultimately. you run. I have. friends who I really trust who you know. I tour with Gary Veer and Gary's such a. great joke writer and I I'll run jokes. by and be like is this too harsh cuz I I. don't want to ever I didn't feel those. jokes about women were pandering to. women. I felt they were honest how I. felt and I felt like I can playfully. call out men and women because it's I'm. going to have more jokes about women. because I'm straight and it's I date. women so my frustration is going to be.

more with women I date than just with my. guy friendss who I don't really fight. with that much. But. um. yeah, I mean some of your relationship. jokes are going to have bite and they're. going to be like I always think of them. like music. Like it depends on the. musician. Like Bob Dylan's Colin Quinn. has this great joke about how Bob Dylan. all his breakup songs are like [ __ ] you. Like you know uh how does it feel. [laughter] to be on your own? Like. they're so angry. But you know I I. listen to Leonard Con a lot and his.

music his breakup songs are pretty nice. They're pretty much like I [ __ ] up. That's the tone of it, you know. >> It's like it's it's over now. It's like. this is, you know, this is the. [clears throat] journey. This is the. >> it's a different type of piece. >> So, it's really like where's your mind. and where's your heart at? Are you still. broken or are you kind of healed and now. it's kind of funny to you? I mean, I. have a joke. >> Oh, I like that actually. >> I I have jokes about exes that I. wouldn't I'm like, "Oh, I'm not really I. was angry in that moment and it hit, but. I was angry and I and I'm not angry. anymore. I'm kind of just like, oh, I'm.

at peace with it now." And you know, and. absence will make the heart grow fonder. So you you you don't think of that when. you're in it. You're like, "Oh my god, all we do is fight." And then after a. while, you're like, "Ah, she was cool. We both have problems. It was a bad it. was a bad match really." So, um, sometimes you're in those relationships. where you're just so frustrated because. it's just not and you like the other. person, and when it's good, it's great, but you just can't get along and and you. get mad at the other person, but you're. like, "No, we just weren't right. They're not a bad person. We just. weren't right for each other." Yeah.

>> But in the moment you can't articulate. that and it just comes out like [ __ ]. you, you know, but after 6 months you're. just like, "Yeah, I hope I hope she's. with someone who's better." You know, so. that sets the tone. Sometimes you need. to give yourself time, you know? >> Sometimes you need to give yourself. time. Do you ever think. you wish that your ex is with someone. better? >> Yeah, I do. >> For real. For real. >> For real. Yeah. >> For me, I don't. >> You hope she suffers forever. I wish.

she's just chilling. >> You hope she's in a wheelchair. somewhere. >> Yeah. And then all of [laughter] a. sudden there's two there's three guys. and jumpsuits and three hockey sticks at. the door. The door man is upset. [laughter] I'm like, "How does it feel. on your own? No direction home. [laughter]. like a rolling. This is a man at peace, man. That's what this I feel I feel. >> Yeah. I mean, let's direct that. >> No, this is a man at peace. I I think, you know, I I I struggle with knowing. what the tone for like I'll have jokes.

hit all the way through. Yeah. >> Like I was in Oklahoma over the weekend. and I had good pretty good shows, I. think. But then I came and I did an hour. at the seller, one of those like pop-up. hours, Fat Black Pussycat, and I was. like, man, some of these are getting. groans. I don't know why they're getting. groans. >> And uh. >> wait, some of the stuff from Oklahoma? >> Yeah, some of the stuff that killed in. Oklahoma that I'm like, wow, this really. killed. And now I'm like, well, this. what's got to me I I like part of the. reason I tour is cuz I want to make it. bulletproof. I want it to be really. really strong. But yeah, you do have to.

make judgment calls at the end of the. day and say, is this is this strong. enough? I think that's that's probably. one of the hardest parts and one of the. most um rewarding aspects of comedy is. there comes a point when you have to. decide. how many is enough and whether or not. you're even trying to go for the. majority. >> Do do you get what I'm saying? Because. I think comedy a lot of the time is like. democracy in that the majority is not. always right. Broken. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it's also like the.

majority is not always right. >> Yeah. For sure. >> You know, like like. >> But that's a dangerous way to think. >> No, but but I think it's the way we. should think. It is dangerous, but I. think it's the way we should think cuz. you go, >> damn. If just because the most people. are laughing at this joke doesn't. necessarily mean that I have to believe. that it's the best version of the joke. You know what I mean? And and that's. what I think is great about it is that. it's dangerous and that it's precarious. and that it's it's it's wrong. And I. always think comedy is like Yeah. It's. like playing with nitroglycerin. It's.

>> Yeah, >> man. One wrong move and boom boom, you. know? >> Saying the wrong thing is thrilling. So. that's that's I get excited. I get. excited when something goes because also. it's we're we're so blessed to get to. perform for people that know us at the. point like I people ask about like. offend. I'm like, my crowd doesn't. really ever get offended because they. know who I am and they know that the. motives aren't bad. They know that the. my all I'm trying to do is make them. laugh. So, if I if I miss them trying. something new, I tried something over. the weekend that [ __ ] bombed. It was.

a Harvey Weinstein joke. I did a joke. about it's a bad joke. It was about how. he. >> how he hit on my friend and then was. like a gentleman. He was like, "Oh, I'm. so sorry." [laughter] And and I was. like, "You never hear that story." And I. was like, "Yeah, because he did the. other shit." Like that was the angle of. the bit, but it just didn't really hit. And and I was like, "All right." And. they they're just like, "Cool. Go go go. to the next one." They they want they. want me to throw [ __ ] at the wall. They. want me to like they and I I find that. comedy crowds are so sophisticated now. that they like they know the process. They know that we're all trying new.

stuff. And they actually every once in a. while they'll be mad. I had I ran into a. guy at a bar recently who goes, "I saw. you in Dania Beach. You were just. reading out of a notepad." And I was. like, "Well, I built it as a workout. show." He goes, "Well, I didn't read. that." And I go, "I I don't know what to. tell you." And he goes, "The tickets. were $40." I'm like, "I I it's over. What do you want from me? [laughter]. This is what I have to do to write an. hour. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I had a bad. night at my show." And my He wouldn't. let it go. My friend was like, "What the. [ __ ] is wrong with the guy?" I don't. know. Let's go to another bar. [laughter]. He was so I was like, I never That's. never happened.

>> I feel for that guy, though. >> Yeah. >> Just Just take a moment to consider it. from his perspective, right? You go out. on a night. >> Let's say you bought tickets to like a. Taylor Swift show. >> Yes. You go there and then Taylor Swift. is like strumming on a guitar but like. getting every every note. Yeah. Tuning. and you're like what am I doing here? And they go like oh yeah that wasn't. like a real show. That's like a you know. what I mean? I get it from his. perspective. I was just like [ __ ] John. Mayer. It's like whoa too much too much.

I'm working it out. >> I'm working the bit out. >> I'm working the bit angry. >> Yeah. >> Sam Sam is an MMA fighter who met a gym. dummy that can talk. I was like, "So, you're not punching for real?". >> Oh, that's exactly what I was saying. You were not? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. No, I did Saturday. So, that's. what you do? >> I I know. And you feel bad, too. But I. also like I thought the crowd was in. like I I remember that gig. I was like, "Oh, no. They were into it." I thought. >> Yeah. But I I actually think what. >> what that man said to you. >> is the perfect encapsulation what I. think has gone sort of wrong with.

society today. And I don't blame society. for this. I think, you know, people love to talk about like. cancel culture or one of the big things. people still ask me. I've seen them ask. you, they go like, "Can jokes anymore?". I'm. >> so bored with that. >> Can every time they ask me, I'm like, "Man, come on." They're like, "Are. people People in here? We're retired. >> People are so sensitive these days. Nobody laughs. Nobody." And I'm like, "No, >> they want they they're trying to bond. with you over that." And I'm like, "No, let's bond over something else cuz I. don't care. I I That's what it is. It's.

pretty much never a problem. The only. thing that worries me comedically is. these tech companies that only care. about ad sales muting certain words. That's what worries me when when I see. things like, you know, Instagram and. they just buries like if you say the. word Nazi and you're like. >> oh but they don't know the context. >> But they don't know the context. But. some AI thing is being like bury this. post cuz I said the word Nazi. Exactly. >> Back to the book banning. >> But you're like okay but that so I can't. make a joke condemning Nazis. And. they're like well you I'm like well this. is like Nazi [ __ ] Yeah. >> You're not allowed to even say it. So.

then. >> um gay like I think people like they'll. post jokes where they're like instead of. kill yourself they'll be like I unal. alived myself and I'm like so now you're. changing speech and this it worries me. that comics will start writing for the. algorithm and stuff. >> and I and I also just think like you. know. >> they keep moving the goalpost and that's. what it doesn't worry me about like oh. you can't say this. My worry is about. like them burying like you you build. this following a certain way. >> That's why I I use this thing called. punchup a lot now. That's where I post a.

lot of my videos cuz YouTube and and uh. and it's also nice to have like a free. speech thing that isn't like some crazed. right-wing thing. Like I don't want to. [ __ ] be on Rumble, >> you know? I don't want to I don't want. to come follow me on Rumble. No, just. Punch Up is cool because it's just like, you know, Instagram or YouTube, a lot of. them just bury jokes now that are just. like, "Oh, this isn't align with our. values.". >> I'm not sure what it even means. Basically, >> it's like it's like harder than Fallon. like he used to put a a set together for. a late night set for like Fallon or one.

of these late night shows and they're. like you can't say this, you can't I. remember Nick Griffin who's one of the. best late night set comics ever. Like. his Letterman sets I think are like go. watch Nick Griffin on Letterman. You. want to see like a master class on just. joke writing. But they made him change a. joke of his that I loved where he goes, you know, young women are filled with. sugar and spice and everything nice and. I'm filled with anger and semen and. shame. And I thought that was such like. a poetic line and they made. [clears throat] him to change it to. anger and Prozac and shame. And I was. like seaman first off it's a clinical. term and secondly it the alliteration.

made it funnier and flow. I hate when. they change. >> but he is he's like the king of late. night where it's like you got to open. with self-deprecating stuff and he he. just knew how to suck you in. [clears throat] it. It was great stuff. When I was on [snorts] Letman I did a. joke. and it was I had a set and there was one. part of the joke that had the word uh. maybe oh it were Hitler. Hitler was in. the joke in one part of the joke and. then there was another part of the joke. where I talked about uh homeless people.

like you know and it wasn't it wasn't um. slamming homeless people at all. It was. just talking about bumping into a. homeless person and they came to me. afterwards and I was like man I know the. Hitler joke maybe you know what I mean. and they came and they were like hey. listen we love the set we just need to. change something and I was like yeah I. know and they're like yeah man we don't. want you to say homeless. >> I knew that was coming and I was like. >> wait a but the person was homeless. I. was like, "This is not the the joke. doesn't go against the at all.". >> Yeah. >> They're like, "Yeah, would you rather. can you rather say like crazy person or.

I was like, well, I was like, >> it's meaner.". >> Yeah. [laughter] I was like, I don't. think the person was crazy. >> Yeah. >> I think they just. >> they were just homeless. >> They're just homeless. Although, I would. rather be crazy than homeless. >> Well, >> oh, that's interesting. >> Yeah. Wait, wait, wait. I would choose. homeless any day cuz I can always change. my mind. >> How do you know? How do you know it's. your mind though? >> But you think I'm choice? Yeah, but you. can be temporarily homeless. Yeah, >> that's true. But temporarily. Yeah, that's a big difference. >> That's Yeah, but but you are you you're. temporarily homeless until you get a. home.

>> But they were weird. You're not the. first comic I've heard like no homeless. jokes on Letterman, which is it's a. weird. >> The word homeless, though. They were. doing a similar thing. They were just. going the word homeless. >> We don't want And you're like, "No, I'm. not making a joke about a person being. homeless.". >> They have homeless sponsors. Like, what? Why are you so [laughter] mad? I don't. get it. They had such weird rules on. late night always. But I think this is. this is the this is this is what we. exper maybe in the world of let's say. late night TV back in the day and now. it's becoming more um ubiquitous when.

you look at major tech companies. I. think it's because we live in a world. where corporations are less concerned. about the actual issue and more about. the appearance of caring about the. actual issue. Do you know what I'm. saying? So they don't care about a. homeless person. >> They conduct studies. They just don't. Facebook all these like studies. Young. women are are suicidal because they. can't Instagram is one of the worst. things. >> and they're like, "Oh, are you going to. change anything?" No, but we conducted. the studies. >> Yeah, >> that's it. >> Yeah, but the appearance. >> football. They're like, "This is really.

bad for your brain. Are you going to. change anything?" Nah, it's [ __ ] It's. entertaining. No, >> we know guns are a problem. Are we going. to change anything? No. >> No. >> We just want to know there's a problem. >> Yes. >> That's that's all it is. And so that's. why I saying what what I think that guy. reveals. It's like when a woman tells. you her problem and you're just like, you're just like, "Uh, well, how can I. fix it?" She's like, "I just wanted you. to listen to the problem." That's. basically what we're doing with. everything in the country. [laughter]. That's all we're doing. >> We're just listening to it. >> Yeah. We're just listening. I know why. you have a problem. >> When I was saying that guy revealed, funny enough, the one who complained.

about the notepad, he actually revealed. what the real problem is. Context. >> So, when he's saying to you, I didn't. read that. I didn't see that. He came to. your show not knowing that you're. working material out. >> Yeah. So to him, the promise that was. sold to him was incorrect. He didn't. have the context. And I actually think. that's what's happened to comedy in the. world is that anyone who's in a comedy. club for the most part. >> They know that they're in a comedy club, they know Samurel, they know Eugene Kos, they know Trevor, they know that like, okay, you do a thing. But then what the.

internet does is it strips the context. away and then they'll just throw you up. there and be like the Jewish mafia and. it'll be like look at this guy and what. he said about you know and they just. take a clip. >> and no one tells you who Samarill is. They don't tell you about his family. with your White House speech. I mean it. it's become tribal. So it's like we're. living in an echo chamber. This is this. is what will make me happy. And the. algorithm knows you. I mean it's sad. when you realize when you look at your. explore page and you're like oh my god. this knows me so well. >> Oh it's crazy. And it's and it realized. how oh my god it's the most mundane [ __ ].

I've ever seen. Like my whole algorithm. is dudes eating sandwiches. >> in their car. And then you you don't see. these cuz I guess I like watching people. eat. It's like a Food Network type vibe. I I. >> I like how you're saying this like. you're you're not sure about this of. yourself. Like I I guess I guess I like. watching people. >> I don't think I actually enjoy it but I. keep watching. >> Are they in a drive-thru? Are they Do. they have a tray? >> What was the first one you watched? A. lot of people who are just like we're. going to see if this uh if this sandwich. is is overrated or underrated. It's a. lot of that [ __ ] and you're just like. all right and then you just watch them. eat it or they'll be like these are the.

top restaurants in this area and I'm. like I don't like I like food. I don't. think of myself as like a insane foodie. but I guess a lot of my algorithm is. like or old basketball story. So it'll. be like that and or it'll be like Kevin. Garnett like oh man I remember the time. we busted LeBron's ass. I'm like oh this. is my whole algorithm. You know. >> I sometimes think that we should switch. algorithms. Like I wish there was a a. system where you could say for a day I. just want to be in somebody else's. algorithm completely. John Malovich. >> Yeah. I just want to I just because I. think to your point, we living in a.

world now where. >> everything that's that is one thing I do. miss even though it was less convenient. One of the things I do miss about like. linear television. >> was that you had to sit through so much. [ __ ] that wasn't for you. >> Yes. >> To get to the stuff that was for you. So, >> and you'd also find stuff that you. didn't know. >> That's exactly what I mean. So, now I'm. sitting through like Murder She Wrote. with my mom if he brought in. >> because I'm trying to get to the comedy. Mhm. >> You know, I if you asked me as a child, do you like Frasier without me knowing.

and I was like, what is Frasier? And. you're like, well, it's this New York. story and it's this guy and he's. Seattle, sorry, and he's a therapist and. this guy works at a radio station and. the dad. I'll be like, >> and his brother's just basically him. times 10. >> Yeah. And I'll just go like, I don't I. don't think this is for me. I would be. like, listen, man, I'm 8 years old. I. don't think any of this is for me. >> But when I think of Nile and that whole. family, >> just because I had to sit through it, it. became, do you know what I became like. my thing. >> It's incredible that he was just like. out of his mind whacked out on drugs the.

first few seasons and he's still. [laughter] and Kelsey Grammer and he's. just bringing it still like. >> Oh, wait. I thought you meant the. character. >> No, no, no. Kelsey Grammar was just on. drugs the first few seasons like and. they had they gave him interventions and. stuff. >> Oh, he was killing it though. >> Oh, he's unreal. I mean, he's like one. of the best sitcom actors ever. >> Oh, yeah. Easily. >> But uh but yeah, they they be. >> again. No, he was killing it. Good for. >> No, he's he's a phenom, obviously. >> But then what? Did he stop? Did he. >> Yeah, he got sober. Oh, the cast the. cast was like really loyal to him. Yeah, it's it's crazy. >> And then the show got cancelled. >> No, it made it like 13, right?

[laughter]. >> What was it? 13. You know those stories. where it ends like that and the cast. came together like Kelsey, you can't do. this anymore. And then he stopped and it. wasn't funny and they got cancelled. They're like, "All right, Kelsey, I'm. going to need to take some of this [ __ ]. right here. [laughter]. >> We brought a bag.". >> That would be great though if he got. sober and he just like, "Wow, you're. really you got to get back on this.". >> Yeah, man. You just got to Yeah. No, this is this is not working for us. Do. you see yourself getting into um film, TV, anything? >> I've written a bunch of stuff. Yeah. I. uh I wrote a movie. >> for yourself to be in. >> Yeah. I wrote I I'm making a movie with.

Gary Veer. It's like a mockumentary. I'm. filming it now. It's like a It's like. Spinal Tap, but about my tour. It's. pretty fun. We got We got a lot of funny. cameos in it. I'm I'm really pleased. with it. And then uh I wrote a movie. with Mark Norman. Hopefully going to. film next year. >> You guys are funny, man. >> I love Mark. >> You guys are like funny funny. >> I love that dude. and he uh and then we. have uh I wrote dude it's very hard to. make shows I you know I wrote a show. that I got Brian Cox the actor attached. to and we're he's to play my dad and. we're basically we're still having a.

hard time selling it but I love I wrote. it with Mike Lawrence who's an. incredible writer just like a phenomenal. writer and we'll see if we can sell it. but it's uh I mean just getting Brian. Cox to be like yeah I love this script. I'm in it's crazy to see him on pitch. calls too because his presence is like. unmatched I guess The Brian Cox Brian. Cox. Brian Cox. >> Yeah, Succession Brian Cox. Yeah. You. think his first project after Succession. we get would be a slam dunk, but I guess. they're looking at my face. They're like. gh I don't know. Uh [laughter] but I I. think the script is amazing. I think.

that's how we got him. So, uh I hope I. hope we figure that out. That's I mean. that would be amazing. >> But I was so angry during pitches how. long because you know these companies. like these people don't work. Like. you're like set in a meeting with a. company and they're like cool can you. meet uh next month? And you're like, "Yeah, I guess. Next month, sure." And. then they're like, "Oh, shit." They're. out on vacation this week. And I'm like, "All right, next week." Like, [laughter]. "Next week we're actually closed." And. then they're like, "Okay, well, how. about uh the day after?" They're like, "Well, that's MLK day. We take that. whole week off." And you're like, "All. right, [laughter] how about next year? Can we push next year?" So, we did that.

and it was literally And then on top of. that, you take like a month to hear. after that. So, so, so you and I'm I'm. so I'm a doer. I'm not So, that's why. I'm making my own thing with Gary. We. have uh I think that movie is really. good. Then uh during the time I was so. angry that no one was doing this I was. like I'm going to write another movie. So I just wrote a movie about like a. basketball comedy. So I think I'm going. to try to do something with that next. year. I'll just I'm going to tour a. little less next year. I'm burnt out. from touring last year. >> How many dates do you did you do? >> I don't know how many I did this year. I.

did like 50 in the first three months on. the tour bus. >> That's a hell of a lot. >> And then I'll do like weekends here and. there just to kind of keep it tight. But. yeah, so I'll do like theaters the first. half of the year, but I'm I'm doing some. clubs again. I'm doing Europe coming up. Um, so I'm I'm pumped to go back to. Europe, then like Chicago, New York, just stuff like that to, you know, do. like fun shows. But, uh, I do I do a lot. of the road. I I'm surrounded by comics. who are just psychos. So, when you come. up with Mark Norand and guys like that. who are just like they never take a. night offic.

>> Oh, if I if I don't do four sets in a. night, am I a piece of [ __ ] I don't. Maybe. I don't know. So, you're. surrounded by these kind of psychos. It. it motivates you for sure. >> Yeah, man. I'm excited. I'm I'm I'm. excited to see like where it goes, how. it goes, because it's been fun watching, you know, I said this to you the other day when we. were talking. I said something a lot of. people don't get about comedy. This is. just my opinion, but is [snorts] a lot. of the time people will go they'll say. to me like, "Oh, that comic is funny and. that comic isn't is" and I go, "No, no,

no." Sometimes I think what you're. missing is. the time is just meeting up with the. comic and their talents. Do you know. what I mean? Louis CK was funny forever. and then something in and around the. recession connected with him and people. were like this is my guy and this. feeling connects with me and then they. rolled. >> It was him talking about his kids that. broke him. >> Exactly. And then Kevin Hart was funny. forever and then something connected. around that time and people like this is. the guy. So I feel like there's so many. comedians where people will tell a. comedian I don't know or no they're.

funny now and I'm like no no no no no. now is just catching up to their funny. and I feel like we're witnessing your. now. No. And so nice. >> No, but I mean there's genuinely I I. love comedy. I'm not I'll tell you this. It's not even about niceness. I'm just I. loved so much. Yeah. No, I I I love what. we do. I mean, I feel very fortunate. Like I I am excited. >> I'm almost always excited to work, which. is pretty cool. I'm always and like even. writing, I get pretty pumped to. >> look over stuff. I you know, I don't. really feel drained from what I do. And.

that's why people are like, "Why don't. you take more time off?" I enjoy it. I. really do like it. I understand I have. to do other stuff just to live to have. stories, but I'll do I'll So many of my. best bits are me making a terrible. drunken decision that led to a night of. regret and I'm like, "Oh, that's a bit. that's a story." So, I'll still do that. I just think, you know, >> it's hard to not work when you love what. you're doing. >> Yeah. You found your purpose. >> And I love I love going up. And part of. why I'm always at the comedy seller just. like, "Oh, I just I I live walking. distance from there." Uh it's it's fun.

to just, you know, go up and just be. like, "Let me try these ideas.". >> Well, you know what's funny is people. will often not like like the broader, but some people might judge a comedian. for that. They'd be like, "You're always. there." Yeah. I remember once saying. this some like, "You're always at the. solo." And I was like, "Yeah, you're. always in your office.". >> Yeah. >> Every day, Monday to Friday, you are at. the office from 8 until 5:00. >> Yeah. I'm only there for 15 minutes. What the hell are you doing? >> Like, yeah, I might be here every day. for like 45 minutes, an hour, 2 hours at. most. It's like, "Yeah, yeah, you. relax." Uh, you know what I mean? This.

is your office. >> and you love it at the same time. >> Yeah. You torn like crazy, right? >> I've slowed down now. So, I spend more. time in South Africa. I've slowed down. I uh cuz cuz you know what it is is. there's there's an interesting thing. that happens. And it can happen to you anywhere in the. world, but America is very good at. amplifying this. Gun violence. [snorts and laughter]. >> [laughter].

>> Oh man. Is America is the land of more. >> Yeah. All. >> right. So if you can do 50 dates, you. want to do 60 dates. >> Yeah. >> You want to do 70 dates? You know, we. can add a second show that night. >> Yeah. >> What do you think about a third show? Have you ever done those? >> Four. How many? Four. >> You know, afternoon shows have gotten. real popular. You could do a 1 p.m. and. then 5 p.m. And and the thing I've. learned is one of the reasons America is. the economic powerhouse of the world is. because it's the land of more. Like.

quarterly earnings, get that money up, pump that thing, get it going. But I. also think one of the reasons it's, you. know, one of the most like depressed, violent, and unequal places despite how. much money it has is because it's the. land of more. So the thing I'm trying to. search for in life is that balance. Like. you're saying, I don't ever want to hate. comedy because I chased the money side. of comedy and not the comedy side of. comedy because none of us here got into. it for the money originally. >> There wasn't the money started. I mean, I I was like I was so satisfied to be.

just like a guy who played clubs on the. road. The best feeling in the world. I. was. >> I was just like looking at people who. had that career and I was like that. would be amazing. It's. >> the best feeling in the world. Yeah. >> Cuz I remember the first time you. started headlining you're like this is. amaz it's my show. I get to, you know, >> it's so cool. So, yeah, the money is. great, but uh and obviously, you know, there is that fear that it could it. could go away and and all that stuff, but uh but yeah, no, it's it's so.

freaking fun. That's I mean, I I I think. comedy movies are fun. I love movies, so. I I I want to do there's other stuff I. want to do, but standup's always going. to be number one. >> Standup will be the base. >> Yeah. Hopefully if if we leave this. earth before seeing you make some sort. of noir comedy slash something/. something. >> or play Luigi Manion. >> It would have been. >> Oh, dude. I'm not in good enough shape. for that. Come on. That kid was rich. >> I mean, that's what that's the whole. that's the whole point. The. transformation. >> The transformation. I think I'm too old, too. >> No, that's the transformation. Come on. We got AI. Come on, man. >> Oh, yeah. But we saw that in The.

Irishman. That was rough, too. [laughter] We don't want to see old ass. Sam shooting a guy. >> All right. Uh before we wrap up, give us. a list of movies we got to watch. Everyone says this about you. They go. Samurel the movie buff. >> I just like movies. Yeah. >> No, no, no, no, no, no. Don't don't say. that. >> You are like a like a savant when it. comes to You don't just like I like. movies. >> I'm the kind of guy who will recommend. Leatherheads. I like I just like movies. You know, movies. Give us five movies we. have to watch. Okay. So, what's the one. you saw on the bus that everyone.

started? >> Oh, that was called The Big Heat. The. Big Heat. It's a cool movie. It's like a. cop unhinged cop revenge movie. And uh. this actress Gloria Graham is in it as. well and she was like awesome actress of. her era. She's in uh It's a Wonderful. Life. She's in um. >> in this great Humphrey Bogart movie. called In a Lonely Place. And she's. famous for banging her stepson and then. marrying him. >> in real life. >> In real life. And it got her like. >> basically thrown out of Hollywood. But. she's a great actress. >> Cancel culture. >> Yeah. >> Damn. >> Yeah, dude. She was uh she was she was a.

wild one. But then uh. >> yeah, that's more than just a wild one. [laughter]. >> Big He's a good one. Hanging your. stepson is more than just a wild. >> I'll go I'll go another old noir from. the 40s called Double Indemnity. That's. like the prototype. It's like. >> it's perfect. It's like 90 minutes. I. love a 90-minute movie. Tight script, hard hard uh killer dialogue. >> Okay. >> And uh yeah, it's Fred McMurray, Barbara. Stanwick, and and you got to know Edward. G. Robinson. I mean, old school like. talks like this [ __ ] like that talk.

Love that. >> sunny. >> Yeah. And then I'll give you one more. noir from those old ones. I just love. these movies because the the scripts are. airtight and for a movie to stand the. test of time like 80 years or whatever. old to me you have to have such a tight. script and has to and it has to be. relevant you know like it has to hit in. the feelings of like you know. >> uh morality that haven't haven't. changed. So Out of the Past is a big one. for me. Robert Mitchum awesome movie and. now I'll go a little more modern. Let me. think modern. [ __ ].

>> should I go all noir? That' be cool. Okay, we know just give us a quick. one from the '90s that not enough people. have seen. Sam Ramy movie called A. Simple Plan. I love that movie. That's. from the '9s. That's an awesome one. >> Who's on it? >> Uh Bill Paxton, RIP, great actor. Uh he. was in a lot of movies. Uh Billy Bob. Thordon. Uh Bridget Fonda. Good cast. Billy Bob, Billy Bob's unreal in it. He. gives this monologue in it that you're. like, "Fuck, it breaks you. It's so. good." Um, I'll go another [ __ ] man.

I'll go. This one's kind of obvious, but. I love it. Fargo. Killer. >> Okay, >> that one. >> All right. >> I love that one, too. >> I've seen one. killer, right? >> At least I've got one. >> Yeah, >> this is good. >> I've got a 15 hour flight coming up. >> Yeah, man. You're going to do it. >> Yeah. Hell yeah. I I'll I'll send you. some more if you want. >> Yeah, we'll take them. >> Yeah, >> man. And come join us again. Send us. >> I would love to, man. It's great talking. to you guys. >> Thanks for coming through. Thanks for. being sweaty with us. >> My pleasure. Can [laughter] I can I can. I tell you Carnegie Hall December 4th?

>> Do you have like a website? >> Yeah, samurell.com/shows. or you could just go to. punchup.live/samarell. Okay. >> Everything's there. But yeah, I'm all. over London, Dublin, Paris. >> Which one of these has a notepad and. which one doesn't? >> None of them. I'm I'm locked in right. now. There's no I just want I don't want. the same thing to happen. >> The locked in show. >> All right. [laughter] No notepad. >> I'm I've never been to a lot of these. I've never been to Berlin. I've never. been to Milan. I'm doing shows these. places. So, I'm I'm pumped. Oh, you're. going to love Berlin. >> I'm pumped. >> You're going to love Berlin. It's one of.

my favorite places [clears throat] to do. comedy. >> I'm excited. Yeah, I'm all over. So, >> do you have any recommendations as to. where he could go in Berlin? >> Yeah, there's a sex club. >> Go hang out. >> I feel like. >> perhaps a nightife. >> kind of excursion where he might. >> Oh, Burkhine. >> Oh, there. >> Is that the sex club? >> Oh, have you heard of it? >> I don't think I don't think to call it a. sex club is to is to um diminish it. It's like it's focusing on the aspect of. it that is the most shocking to most. people. >> Gotcha. >> But Burghine [clears throat] is also. arguably the best nightclub in the.

world. >> I think they've won the award for best. sound system 10 years running maybe. more. >> Stand to be corrected. Yeah. But like. easily it is one of the best sound. systems because it's perfectly in phase. So, you don't even realize how bad most. sound systems are when you go out. because the sound is just loud. And then. the sound system at Berghin is so. perfectly tuned that you can have a. conversation like this. >> while the music is like thumping away. cuz the the sound waves are perfect. Does that make sense? It's like. perfectly carb the room is measured. everything. Any DJ you talk to in the.

world who's like a DJ DJ, they go, "Man, playing at Bergheim cuz people will go. there to dance from Friday night until. Monday nights." I think this goes Yeah. >> Are you a dancer? >> Oh, I love it. >> I'm not really a dancer. >> Oh, no. Go. It doesn't matter. If you. can get into Burger, go. Like, if you. can get in, go. But you might not. >> It's a It's a tough uh. >> Yeah, but it's not a tough door cuz it's. fancy. It's tough cuz they're just like, "Nah, you're not going to fit the vibe.". >> Yeah, I'm probably not going to fit. What's the vibe inside there, man? >> The the vibe is just whatever.

>> It started as a It was a like a gay club. originally and then like it was just. like very free and non-judgmental and. then I just I think they want to. maintain that. They're just like, "Yo, don't don't come judgy vibes here. Don't. come.". >> Sam would fit right in there. >> Yeah, you would actually. He's a. non-judgy guy. He just wants to have a. >> not judgy at all. >> Yeah, just go in. >> I judge a little bit, but it's like it's. one like I pick a part, but then I'm. like, "No, but you're good." That's. usually where I'm at. That's fine. You. know what would also fit in there? a. photographer based on what he did in the. bus. [laughter]. >> Don't remind me. Don't hot box that.

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