Orlando Bloom's Life On The Edge! - What Now? with Trevor Noah Podcast

- If there was a zombie apocalypse. and we had essentially just tools on the ground, I would hope to be near you. I dunno if that would be No, no, no. You, you, you, you're pretty nice with it. I've seen you with almost every weapon. You are pretty nice with it. - Well, thank you. I appreciate that. I'll take it. I'm not sure. You could kill, you. - Could kill a few zombies. - You know, it is called acting as. well. You know, this Michael lyrics. - Aspect. No, no, no, no. This is what now with Trevor Noah.

You know, one of the weirdest things about doing an. introduction when somebody's sitting next to you is. that you want to give an introduction that's as honest. as possible, but also as effusive. as possible without making it seem like you're doing it. to the, so just act like you're not here. Right, right. While I speak about you, - I'm not here. - Yeah. I'm chatting to Orlando Bloom today, who is arguably one.

of the most recognizable faces in the world, because he has been, I mean, the lead in some. of the biggest movies that have shaped our lives. I was thinking about the other day, and we're gonna be chatting today on the podcast, because today he's, he's, he's embarking on a different journey where it's a, it's a different type of trilogy as epic, I would say, as, as Lord of the Rings and parts of the Caribbean. Only in this story, he could actually die. He doesn't, spoiler alert,

he's here. This is the great news. - Yeah. Yeah. - He's. - Here. Came close though. Came close a. - Couple of times. Yeah. Came close, but, but spoiler alert, he's here. So, Orlando Bloom, welcome to the podcast. - Thanks for having me, man. It's great to see you, - By the way. When did you, when did you cut the hair? - I just finished working in London on this, this movie. And we cut it for that. So. - When you cut your hair for the project? - Yeah. - Yeah. This is probably why I'd never get into acting. - Well, you've got beautiful hair, Sam. You like Samson, right? - No. You've got beautiful hair. You've got, I like, I don't know if I would like the idea of me having.

to change my appearance for somebody else's also, because it might be shit, - Which is sometimes as you get like a little older, you go, oh, that could work really well though. You need to embrace that shit. Look. Right. - No, what I mean is like, imagine, imagine making something. that's shit and I cut my hair. - For it. Oh yeah. Right. Oh, I've done so much of that. I've done so much of that. And you go and well forget just looking shit. It's like the time that you put in. Yeah. Like, I attack everything, like Yeah. 110%. I can tell.

I can tell I'm like fully loaded, committed. So if it doesn't work, it's just a lot of egg on my face. and a really bad hairdo. - What's the thing you regret doing the most. to your body for a project? - Oof. Well, I don't know the answer to. that quite yet, but the thing that I just did, that I did extreme for my Body, was a movie I just produced. and Star called The Cut, which it's, it's a boxing movie, but kind of, it focuses, the fight is not the fight,

the fight is the battle to cut, lose the weight, man. Cutting is, oh man, cutting is. - Losing the weight. - It's terrible. Yeah. It's, it's terrible. And I'm, I'm a boxer kind of having, I, I'm, I'm a boxer coming outta retirement. to have a last moment of a title fight. But what I had to do was transform my body in a major way. And so I'm about, I'm, as I sit in front of you, I'm about 180 5. It's probably similar to you ish, - Right? What, what is that? In kilograms. - I don't use fake numbers. I dunno, I dunno. I don't work in kilograms, - But, ah, do you work in stone? - Yeah, I used to work in stone. I still don't understand that, but now I'm like, yeah, I don't understand stone either. - Like the English seem, everything seems correct.

And then it's like, what do you waste? Stone. Stone. I know. 2024. And. - People are like, oh, don't you feel like it was probably. 'cause they just had a bag of stones. - Yeah. But it feels - Like that they'd be like, back in the day, in medieval times they had a bag of stones. - But it's weird for that to be now. - Still literally this day. Oh, there's a lot of things that are quite unusual about, - It's like, oh, the economy, the GDP. and you know, oh yeah, the, the new Teslas. Oh yeah. Electricity. Or how many stones does he weigh? - Yeah. How many stones? So, but anyway, 185 pounds I dropped. to one fifty two, a hundred eighty five.

- Pounds. - 35 pounds. - That's 30, 30 ish pounds. Okay. I think I know what that is. That's like 70 something. 80, 80 something gram grams. - Was, - How long did that take you? - I worked with a really great nutritionist in Santa Monica. He basically tethered me. He sort of teared me down on food. And so I started just stripping out carbs. and basically was running mostly keto, if you've heard of. that, you know, that kind of fat thing. And then I ended up just eating tuna. and cucumber was basically not worth it.

It, and. - Not worth - It. And then what I did to make the last step, I actually had this hot Epsom salt bath, which is a technique the boxers use. I dropped 10 pounds in one night. I had 25 pounds of Epsom salt and a boiling hot bath. - Up to my neck. Does what does it do exactly? I've heard. about this, but I don't understand what it does. - It's like osmosis of some sort. I think it's like, 'cause I had to basically drink two. liters of water afterwards. I went to bed and I woke up and I stepped on the stale, and I'd been on the scale, like looking at my weight obsessively. Right. So the movie really is, is about the complexities of,

you know, the masculine as it. looks at weight loss, weight gain, all of those things. But yeah, it was brutal. - Okay. But, so, so here's a, this is, this is maybe the perfect segue. to get into your new show on Peacock. You, you, you've made this new show. - Yeah. - Well, maybe, maybe. Why is the, the most important question for me? I mean, not a bad question. Yeah. Like, like you, you already make movies, right? Okay.

And you're living your life. You're a dad, you're a husband. You, how. and why does Orlando Bloom decide to make a show. that isn't, it isn't like a cute easy show, which is. what I thought was gonna be when I first heard of it, you know, they were like, oh, this is gonna be, you're gonna be skydiving. and you're gonna be, you're gonna be, you know, free diving and you're gonna be. climbing. I was like, oh, this is adorable. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I wanna see you do this. Yeah. And then I watched it. I was like, this is, this is work. This is horrible. - Yeah. Yeah. It was a lot.

I sort of came up with this idea during COVID, but it was, I was just feeling all the fear, you know, around me all the time. You know, we were all, I think. that was a really challenging time. for the planet, for the world. I mean, actually a probably a wonderful time for the planet. because we, nobody was doing anything. but for the, for, for us humans on the planet. Yeah. It was a super challenging time. I think we can all agree. And I actually have had this. Buddhist practice since I'm 16, and I thought what I'd like to do. is meet people like elders, like wise people,

and people who live a long time, because I think we're also afraid of dying. because of this COVID disease and talk to them. But the, but we didn't really get any bites on that. They were like, how about we just throw you out. of a plane down to the bottom of the ocean and, and you know, you can try climbing something. And I was like, yeah, that works with my, sort. of, that works. That's the other thing that I would sort of probably find. - Because you're, you are a, you're an adventure junkie, - You know? I am, I am definitely, I definitely enjoy the thrills and the adrenaline.

and the high octane moments in life. And I think part of that is probably down to being, you know, I was diagnosed dyslexic as a kid, but I'm also wasn't diagnosed a DD There's loads. of labels you can give people. Yeah. But like, you know, I think like. that definitely played into who I am. And often, you know, when you are, like, when I was a kid, when I was on stage, I was terrified as a, as a child performing on stage. It's where I learnt performers, just at school theaters and stuff. But I was never more focused. I was never more present.

I was never more moment than when I was. absolutely shitting myself. - You, you, like, you didn't have time. I, I can relate to this as somebody who has a DHD, your, your brain doesn't have the luxury Right. Of being distracted. because you have to cons it's life or death. Right. - Right. - You know what I mean? There's no like. checking your texts. No, there's no, - No. - You know, - Meandering or Yeah. You're on game time. And if you are not in the moment, did. - You, did you feel that as a child? Like, were you, were you, were you. cognizant of that as a child?

Or is it something that you now understand in hindsight? - Do you know? I only really in the last two years, started. to look at, and this is even. before the show, I kind of realized that a DD was something. that was definitely part. of my life when I actually had a conversation. And I remember sitting down in an office. with somebody and they gave me a list. And I was like, I started going through the list. and it was just like, tick the boxes. And I was like, and I just stopped ticking. And I just looked. And then I flipped over and I just looked. and I went, okay, I don't need to It was you. Yeah. I was like, this is everything.

And then I was like, I don't want to take a pharmaceutical. I'm English. And I think America has, you know, got a lot. of stuff that they do with pharmaceuticals. - You're not wrong, I'll tell you that much. - So I was like, I don't want to take an anti, like somebody's gonna get me from You didn't. - Wanna take like a stimulant. I didn't. - Stimulant. And I'd been raw dogging it for so long that I was like, listen, this is my character. guys, you know, love me or leave me. But I think my partner was like, okay, you know, like. that doesn't work for somebody who's got. OCD. Yeah. You know what I mean? - Because, because what, what are some of the things you do?

So you, you race motorbikes. I saw you, - Right? Yeah. You. - Race around the track. - Yeah. - Right. What, do you have a bike right now? - I have, I, I have more than one. I do. - What do you, what's your, what's your goat? I saw, I saw, I saw the Ducati in the. - Yeah. I, I, I'm not riding super fast. I've gotten an AIA that's for a. track, which is Oh, those are. fun though. Yeah. It's fast. And. - Those are nice. Yeah. I've, I've always loved the way the, the engine, like it's such a specific vibration. Vibration. Yeah. Yeah. - Yeah. I mean that whole feeling. I think that like motorcycles, you know, I started riding motorcycles when I was a kid. I really, you know, I had a, I got my,

my license when I was 16. I rode a vesper around town and, you know, if it was a cool, and, you know, then I rode a little motor London. around which, which town is. Canterbury? Happily on the wall. I. - Feel like - London. That's the joke. London is the lu would've been, - Yeah. Like London, uk, everywhere in the UK is the least Vesper town. Yeah. I can think like, I ride. bicycles everywhere. Go in the. - World. Right. - Just to get around. Love that London. I'm terrified. - Yes. Yes. - I'm ter There's more. I remember even seeing the stats once. and I was like, it's one of the most dangerous places. to ride bicycles in. Yes, it is. Because your, I'm sure your drivers in the UK.

they have like a, they're almost angry at you. for being on a bicycle. and passing them in the traffic course. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? It's like a Yeah. - It's like, yeah. Yeah. You know, it's true. It's true. You're getting ahead of us. It's like a massive Yeah. It's like, it's sort of a race, which actually I've, I think I've, I inherited a bit of that in my driving style, which is like, like aggressive. And it's your racing through the streets. I mean, I'm, people hate being in the car with me. They think I'm dangerous, but I think I'm super focused.

But I am, it is like, I'm racing everybody. So it's like, I'm like, okay, I need. to just take a chill pill. Because I think there's a lot to learn from that as well. Right. A bit of grace. Yeah. Yeah. A bit of grace. I'm considering more. - I'm, I'm, I'm fascinated by this. Did it. For those who know nothing about the show, you. essentially choose three. I don't even know if you'd call them sports. 'cause they, they're all extreme. Yeah. I guess they're sports. They're extreme sports. Yeah, they're extreme sports.

I don't know, it just feels death defying to me. You know, because you have, what do they call it? Wingsuit flying, what do they. - Call? Yeah, wing suiting. Wing. - Suiting. Wing. - Suiting. Yeah. - Yeah. You have wing, wing suiting. where you're basically like a giant squirrel. - Yeah. - You jump out of a plane. and then you hope for the best. - Yeah. - And then you do, it feels like that you do diving. - But free diving, - No free diving, no tanks, no nothing. - Essentially. - Like Yeah. You might, might just die coming back up to the surface. - Feels like it. Yeah. - And then you have rock climbing, but like all of these kind of the.

- Yeah. - Talk me through this moment. So you're a dad, right? - Right. - You, you are currently with someone. I am. When you say to them, Hey, you know what I'm gonna go do, I'm gonna go learn how to jump out of a plane. and I'm gonna do this in two weeks. I'm gonna get my jumping license. - Yeah. - My skydiving license. You know, the one that normally takes months. Yeah. Yeah. I'm gonna do that in, in a week. - Yeah. - I'm gonna get qualified. - Yeah. - And then I'm gonna start wingsuit ing. Yeah. - Don't think anyone done before.

- Actually, no, I don't think, I don't, - I've never, we're trying to find. - Out. I've never heard of anybody. Do. - Do you think I could get a, do you think I get, somebody. said to me the today, maybe you could go for like one. of those Guinness Booker records. for like the quickest to a, to a wing suit. - Suit. You might, you might actually have it, because how many jumps did you do in one day? For instance, there's the, in the first episode, we just see you go jump for jump jump, jump. Yeah. For jump. For jump. For jump. How many do you think you did in one. - Day? Like the first day was at least five, I think. And then, you know, I mean the, the time, the accelerated timeframe. I mean, the thing is, is that, what's crazy about that is.

that every increment, everything that you change technically. with the gear where there's A different shoe. Like we started with one shoe, it's a beginner shoe. Then you change to another shoe, which has a totally different feeling under canopy. Right. The canopy is the shoe. All of these different things come into play. And you are like, and you and you are. And my brain is moving, trying to keep up. with the things that I'm learning. And it's a pretty straightforward thing when you jump out. of a plane, one to release a shoot. If that doesn't work, two, you release the shoot. that didn't work and three, you're like, I've forgotten what it is.

It's one, one to release the shoot. It says two to release. Exactly. It's one to release the shoot. It's pretty. - Straightforward. Trevor, you see one, two, lemme tell you now, in the, in the calm space that we, we are recording a podcasting. It's pretty simple and I, I've forgotten it. And. - There were three moves. - Is this why you need to do it? You need to. - Be like one, one out the back is the shoot. - Okay. - Two to release it if it, that didn't work for whatever reason. - And then three is on the other side. - Yeah. - Three to, - To open the second shoot. So you have two shoots when you. - Jump. If, if the first shoot doesn't open in, it's a,

it's like a one in a thousand chance. - Yeah. - That the shoot doesn't open. - That's right. - We are watching you jump. - Yeah. - On the seventh jump, I think, if I remember correctly. - Oh my God. I've given, I'm, I'm getting p. tss thinking about it. - On the seventh jump. Your shoot doesn't open. - Yeah. - Or it like opens and then it's like a weird, - So it opened actually, which is not as insane. as if it hadn't opened, which would've been, I'd have been thinking in, in, in seconds. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - So the protocol is one, two doesn't work.

One, two, I'm going. So I was like, right baby, here we go. One, two. And then I was like, one, my, the other shoot fell away. and I was into free fall again. And then two, and then I felt the canopy came out. And I was like, I was just like, oh, - You, you don't even realize how terrifying this is. until you see the look on the face of the guy. who was driving by. - Can you believe we got - That? You land.

by the side of the road. Mm. And there's some good, like, just some good Samaritan. - Yeah. - Who drives up and don't. - You love that - You saw his face? He, he was like, how are you alive? 'cause all he saw was somebody falling out the sky, parachute, not working, parachute a snap and. - Then a, a parachute land in the field. - Yeah. In that moment, did your, did your life flash be like, people always talk about what, what happened in that moment to you? Is it fear? Is it adrenaline? Is it, is it practice? Is it, it's, - It's, you know what's really interesting actually, Trevor is, I think what I learned most is that these kind.

of wild people who do these wild things, they are. experts in this, this little area. Yeah. Like, people have asked me if I've done any. of these things subsequently. And the truth is I haven't, not because I haven't wanted to, but because I think it's a lifestyle choice. These people are experts. They are, they were the family. They are the people that taught me how to, how to navigate. And it's protocol. It's like everything you depend on is. like, it's like, it's like there's a protocol you follow.

that so long as you're good with your, your, your, your maker. - Yeah. - You know, otherwise, - But you, but you know what I found that's, that's actually. one of the things I found like really fascinating about the. show is there's this paradox, you know, when you think of extreme sports. - Yeah. - You think of all the people. who are doing everything to risk their lives. - Yeah. - And the one thing I noticed when watching your. show was these people have more discipline. - Yeah. - Than we have when That's right. Like, driving on the highway. That's so true.

Like, you know, the same way you'll go, oh, I'm gonna look at my phone. That's right. Lemme check a few. texts. That's right. Or a hundred. - Percent - Did I put my seatbelt? No. The people who do extreme sports. are the most disciplined people. - Yeah. - Because they, they acknowledge the fact. that at any moment it can end and it. - Lands out. - And then ironically in life, we are running. around like people cross the street. - Yeah. We crossed can running over. Yeah. - We cross the street. We don't even pay attention. You know? Do, do you, do you think. that changed something in you at any point? Like, did it make you, even if it lasted for a few weeks,

was there more, was there a part of you. that was a little more meticulous now? Huge. - Huge. I mean, it was, it was huge for me in that respect. because it, it, like, I like to think that when I, I'm, I overly prepare partly. because of dyslexia or whatever else. Yeah. When I, when I'm preparing to go into a, into a movie. or a character of some sort. But this was like, okay, this is life stuff. This is, these are, these are tools for life. Like, and confidence. Like, it gave me a certain sense of like, oh man, I I I did that.

I can do this. This isn't, and I think, wait, even at this stage in your life. - Yeah. Because I, I would assume that you feel. accomplished all the time. - No, - I mean, that could be not. - Really. I mean, I feel like I think, you know, so young to have had. so much great, good fortune. - And to - Come out the gate, but not really knowing, you know, my ass from my elbow. and just like, I mean, that's not true. I trained, I went to like, I always do this to myself, but somehow, yeah. Yeah. I think, you know, I think it's,

I think it's only really getting interesting. for me now in some ways in this, I dunno how you are, you are, you are, you are a few years younger than me. Right. You're like, we're, you're. like, I'm, I'm like four seven, so, - Oh, I just turned 40, - So there you go. Right. So it's like, yeah. So it's, - Yeah. But my, but my journey was, you know, as, as much as you, you went to school and you, and you studied, there's a strange curse. I I I'll think about for people who. experienced the pinnacle. and I mean the absolute pinnacle of success. - Yeah. - Like, think about it, you,

you come out of drama school. It was what your, your, your last week? Two days before I finished. Yeah, - There you go. That I heard. But I mean, yeah. - Yeah. And then you get Lord of the Rings, - Right? Yeah. I mean, I've been auditioning for months, but Yeah. - Yeah. But this is what, but they give you crazy. So they, no, they give you the announcements. They go crazy. Alright. Lord of the Rings. It is on. Even at that point, people knew that this was gonna be one. of the biggest films ever made. because it was based on one of the biggest books ever. It was, it was massive, massive, massive, massive. The cost, the, the everything, the budgets. But in a strange way, it's almost like dreaming.

of being a mountain climber. and then your first mountain is Everest. Yeah. And then, you know, then you go on. to do Pirates of the Caribbean. Right. Right. And it's like, oh, your second. mountain is Kilimanjaro. - Right. - I I often wonder like. how you keep yourself motivated. - Yeah. - Or even stimulated. - Yeah. - When those are your first peaks. - Yeah. - Like what, like how, what's that been. - Like in life? It's been a real, it's been a, it's a, it's been a lot about evolving, I think.

I think that there was a period. where I was just, it just never ended. I was either on a, on a set. or I was doing publicity for a movie. If you think that there were three rings. So I was, for three years I was releasing a. huge movie with Lord the Rings. And there were like three Hobbits, two of which I did. And then there were like Troy. and King, all these giant, yeah. I just jagonal you can imagine epic style movies. Right. I think I had just gotten kind of like, I'd lost a, I love what I do. and I think I, I just love what I do.

Yeah. And I, I'd had all of this amazing opportunity. and I think a little bit like that kind of Tolkien quote. of it, like where, where Billbo says he felt like a piece. of toast that was spread a little thin. You know, I just had, I just had, I just had lost, I'd lost a sense of who I was and where I was. 'cause it, it, with, with all of the, those huge movies came all of this attention That I, that I didn't really know what to do with. And it was, you know, there was always people following me. And, you know, I couldn't go anywhere in the world.

And I like to be in the world. I like to go to places, you know, it's like, I like to be. amongst people and I like. to ask pe I'm curious about people. - Yeah. - So I was suddenly like, you know, not able to do those things. That's why I picked up motorcycling again actually. 'cause I could actually get to one place. without being followed the. helmet. Right. You know, the helmet. - Can I tell you, I one. of my favorite things when, when riding Yeah. My friends used to ask me this. They'd go like, why do you like riding so much? You know, when I used to ride back in the day Mm. And I said, one of my favorite. things about riding a motorbike. - Mm. - Is you don't exist. Mm. It's just the helmets.

- Mm. - And I found it was one of the few instances. where there literally was no race. There was no gender, there was no where you from. There were, and all motorcyclists, we have like a, a comradery about us. Yeah. I agree. We all know what's happening. - Life at our heads. Yeah. Every time we get on the. - Bike, it's this, it's this. interesting connection that you have. But, but that anonymity is also a special thing. - Yeah. And I, I, I had, you know, a child with my, my ex now and, and I was very present for him. And then when we separated, I was sort of, I was living kind.

of like, you know, and not, and not really working. And, and then I sort of went on a bit. of a journey at that time. And I was, I did a lot of stuff with LED Hamilton. I was living in Malibu and I did this. crazy swim training with him. And then I was sort of like flying on motorcycles, on tracks, learning a few kind of, I was doing a lot of adrenaline things. I was really pushing my edges, like trying to, I like, - Do you think we, do you think you were trying. to feel, what do you, what do you think? I think I. - Was trying feel because I was numb. and I was probably depressed. and didn't really know that I was depressed.

because I had everything. I, I'd chained everything. and everyone looked at me like I had everything. And I was like, you know, but then it felt like, you know, I remember Alec Baldwin telling me on this, on this movie set when we worked on Elizabethtown. He said, they'll give you the keys. to the executive bathroom. Take the keys. I was like, what does that mean? He was like, if you don't, there's a key right behind you. I was like, okay, bro, - What does that - Mean? It means you, you can go into like the studio. and you can go into the executive bathroom instead of going.

where everyone else goes to the bathroom. You know? Right. That's a big deal. Anyway. I dunno. But I think the analogy is, if you don't take the key, if you don't keep taking that, making the most of. that moment, there will be a bunch. of guys, are you ready to go? And they're gonna take that. Yeah. - But, but can I tell, can I tell you? - Yeah. I, - I'm, that's, I'm, so, I'm torn on this idea. I I agree. I'm torn on this idea. I, I feel like one. of the worst things we've done in the world today, and you know, I, part of it is a byproduct of capitalism. Part of it is like the competitive nature of like, you know,

it, it, it exists more in America, but it's not like an, it's not a quote. unquote bad America thing. It just, it happens in many places. I think we threaten people who dare to take a break. or try to find balance in their lives by telling them. that if they do, there's other people who are gonna take. what they're taking for granted when. they're not taking it for. granted. Do, do, you know, do you know what. - I'm saying? Yeah. That happens. But in this instance, I think even like an energy wise, like I think I had personally shut down. - Oh, - Energetically I had closed shop.

I was like, I was just like, I am toast right now. And I energetically didn't know which way to boot. - That's a scary place to be. - And it created in me, I think a very deep sense of, you know, like, what, what was my next, all. of these things that had been so mapped out. - Yeah. - And I didn't have the work life balance. Right. So, you know, that was part of the problem. And I always think I was working, you know, that old. that age, are you working to live. or living to work kind of thing. And, you know.

- Yeah, definitely. - So at the time of doing the show. as well, it's like, how do I just, how do I grow? How do I, I'm I'm all about evolving. Yeah. Trying to grow, trying to be, you know, I've, as you said, I had a pretty unique experience. So how do I stay kind creatively involved? I mean, I basically now. for the last few years I've done movies. that probably there's considering what, how many people saw the first half of my career? Virtually nobody's seen the second half. Right, right. As you know, the second chapter, - It's a comp, it's really, - It's like, it's artisanal.

It's, it's like, it's like, but you know what I think I was missing. before I got cast in Lord of the Rings, my agent in London had called me. and said, the RS C's interested in you coming to work, you know, coming to be in rep and work with the RSC. And I was like, Hey baby, I've landed this is it. Because in England it was like, you go to theater. - Yes. - Maybe you get a bit of telly. Yes. And then you go and do a movie. - Right. - And I was like, well, let's go. What are we waiting for? Let's go. I'm ready. You know, pull me, let's go. You know, but she, she never, she never let on a thing,

by the way, about, you know, the, about what was happening with rings. And I was like, probably a DD still just going out on all. these auditions, which I get pulled out for. I think I auditioned on tape for Baz Lerman like five. or six times for Moulin Rouge. And I, I kind of just did all of these. And I would go up for all sorts of auditions. And it was like, that's a skill as well. That's a muscle. Right. To learn how to be in a room and audition. - Yes. Yeah. - So I was like, not thinking about anything. And then she gave me that call about Ring. So I was like, wait, what? But I often think, I wonder what my life would've been like, because in a way I missed this part of my career, you know?

So I went back and did Romeo and Juliet on Broadway. I went back and did a play on the West End. I went back twice a couple of times. I feel like in a way this, the, the things. that I've been doing in the last few years, you know, I did this crazy movie called, they renamed it Retaliation. It was originally Romans. I got. these, it dropped during COVID. I got these crazy reviews. I got some. of the best reviews in my career actually. It was wild. It was like, it's, it's beautiful. Nobody did that fill something. Literally the thing, I think one of the reporters just. to say said, yeah, Orlando Bloom must be really gutted right. now because he's just done some of his best work.

and nobody's gonna see this movie. Oh man. It was like, I was like, - I was like, great. Do you think, do you think it filled something in you. that you didn't know you needed filled because. - Filling? I think I'm filling. Yeah. I think it's a tank where it's like, look, I think, you know, we are all on this journey, right? We're all in our own fields, in our own respective fields. We've all got goals that we maybe look to. And when you've, when you've had. so many met at such a young age, then you're like, I need to, - I kind of was going back to basics. I was like, okay, what, how am I gonna,

I need to kind of do this. I, I I skipped a step. Yeah. - You know what I mean? Yeah. I skipped. the, skipped the theater. I skipped the small independent movies. Yes. But I, there was something I felt was missing. So I've sort of been building that part. of my life and career. Yeah. Because I think I, you know, hopefully I'll have, you know, it'll, it'll, it'll only kind. of keep getting better is my hope. You know what I mean? And I wanna, I wanna fill the gaps in. the foundation that I felt were mi were maybe missing. And even if that's true or not. So that's kind of what I've been doing. And it's been, there's been a few roll of the dice. and some of them have worked, some of them haven't.

But, you know, I love, every time I stand on a set, I always think like, where would I rather be? And unless it's with family and my kids. or something, even I'm just like, it's just, I'm in my happy place. There. - We're gonna, this conversation right. after this short break, one of the more interesting parts of the, of the show. is learning that you essentially, did you break your back?

Or did you, what did you do to it? - Yeah, I, I fell three floors and I, I crushed T 12. - I need to understand what happened. because you obviously, you allude to it. And then we see the pictures of you in the hospital and. - We, - And essentially there's a moment. where doctors said, Hey, you're never gonna walk again. - Yeah. - So explain to me what happened. Where were you, how do you fall three floors? Because they just say that in passing, he fell three floors. And I was like, how, where do you fall? Three floors? I've, I don't know how that's possible. - So I was in my second year at drama school, I just finished a, like, we'd had this five aside soccer match.

with the other drama schools. We'd gone to a pub. I hadn't. - Did you wait, did you win or lose any, the details? Anytime there's, there's a. football match. I need to know the, - I can't imagine that we won. We weren't, we weren't the winning side. - Okay. - In memory. Okay. Got it. Got it. I probably blanked that out. I'd gone to a pub with everyone afterwards. Had a Sunday roast of maybe one pint. Not like I was a big drinker. I've never been a big drinker. And then I went over to these, these friend's house in, in Chepstow villages in, in, in, in Notting Hill. And I, they'd just moved in these, these two girlfriends of mine.

And they, they, they'd had this fourth floor apartment. and the, the stairwell that went up. to the flat had a landing. below their fourth floor apartment. And the door, they said, oh, we, we can't get. that door open, but there's a roof terrace for us to use. and we're gonna put plants and stuff. And I was like, oh, it just needs. to be kicked in from the outside. So anyway, I was like, you'll have to get that. Anyway, we walked into the apartment. I was like, wow, this is such a great apartment. I looked at the window. This is the a. DD impulsiveness, right? Yeah. This is, this is a hundred percent what that. - Is. I'm seeing it now. - I looked out the window, I was like, oh, wow. I looked to the surface. I said, oh wow. There's the roof terra. And I kid you, the,

the roof terra is probably from this chair to where, you know, a meter and a half to the left. And I'm like, oh, I could just jump. I could jump that. That's no problem. But then instead I saw this piece. of metal running down the wall, which was not a drainpipe that you could hold onto. It was a piece of metal, like coming out the wall. like, like this. And I was like, oh, well if I just pinch it like this, I'll grab hold of it like this. - You've watched movies clearly, - And I'll kill - Me across. Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Right. Somehow I was like, I'll pulled. it and just pull across. And I got outta the window held onto this thing. And of course there's nothing for my feet. And I just fell.

And I landed on a, from a floor floor window on a first. floor balcony that had, you know, in England they have those, Jesus. So this, the railings are going around. with those like, you know, spears. Oh. With. - Like the spikes. - The spearhead and the, and the, an old washing machine. And I landed like plumb between the middle of it. And I was like, I think out for a couple of minutes, my best friend who's actually in the show. - Yeah, yeah, - Yeah. He was like, Gibo gibo. I was like, and I was out. And then I kind of remember coming around. and I was like, I think my first thought was,

who's gonna play Cino in 12th night? 'cause I was having a really good time playing Aino. I was like, I'm not gonna be doing that. And I was like, I can wiggle my toes, but nothing else. And I was obviously in shock. and your body, I think when you, you know, the pain came later. But, but, but essentially London is amazing by the, this is, this is why I'll pay taxes for the rest. of my life wherever I, but I'm like in London specifically. 'cause like there was nobody in that first floor flat. Yeah. That I was on the balcony they got. So they ended up getting a fireman, winching him in,

he kicked open the doors. to this somebody's house destroying their doors. No doubt. They opened and got the special services in. So they called this the Royal Stem Orthopedic Hospital. And they said they'd just got a hospital flu. So they were tanking. No more inpatients. They was like, no more. But they were like, we have a 20-year-old kid may never walk. again unless you take him. And they were like, so they took me at walking. pace in an ambulance. My parents were in the car, a car behind following, like. with police escorts. Took five hours to get from Paddington to North London.

to this other hospital so that I would be able to be seen. and treated at this, you know, much better hospital where. that that could handle what I, my case. And so when I got in, it was like, yeah, for four days they were like, yeah, yeah, that's, - Yeah. Were, were you, were you present when they were. saying, were they saying this to you? - Yeah, I was. I was, I was very present. I was in a lot of pain. I basically had almost severed my ni spinal cord, but I hadn't quite, so I, like, I remember this sensation,

they had a cage over my legs. 'cause if I touched my legs, it was like razor blades coming up under the skin. or like electricity. It was crazy. The nerves had gone. There was this wonderful nerves actually who she used. to come in at night and move my legs, move my body. 'cause she was like, I don't even know where she came from. These are, this is the, the, the NHS care stuff, you know, amazing. Amazing. But so I'm in this hospital, I'm looking at the bed of opposite me. And there's a, there's a guy with a cage. One of these, they call it a halo, it's a cage.

Young 18-year-old guy jumped into a lake. He used to be in the army. His parents were just weeping by his bed. 'cause he was never gonna walk again. And there was a guy to my left who'd fallen off. a ladder and broken his back. And he was wearing this plastic cast. And he turned to us and he looked and we were chatting. and I was just getting used to looking at like the ceilings. and thinking, oh, I could get used. to looking at ceilings, I suppose. I mean, you know, they're kind of interesting. It's a different perspective. Right. He said he knocked on his chest. and he goes, if you get one of these. mate, you're gonna be good. And I was like, what? He goes, this, this, this.

So the surgeon came. first, they were like, you're not walking. And they said, we're gonna do an M mri. 'cause you, you're physically able. to move you to, to the MR mri. And they were like hanging on by a thread. So we're gonna try opening your spine. We will pin and plate above this one crushed vertebrae. And the two below that are fractured. But we will put a structure around it, a titanium structure. so that you can move and, and then we'll see what happens. And basically I got this, finally got this plastic cast.

And, and I, you know, I mean, I was 20, so admittedly youth was on my side and. - Yeah. But still youth and then, you know, - Yeah. - As you said, your, your maker slash your slash your. ancestors slash whatever you want to, whatever you. - Wanna call it, and your, whatever you wanna. call it, came in heart. - That that clearly changes how you see the world. and it changes how you see life. - Yeah. - When you are now climbing it, it was interesting. of, of all the, of all the sports you were participating in.

The first time you looked uncomfortable to me. was when you had to climb. So jumping out of an airplane, you were like, all right, tell me the rules. How does this go? Right? There's even a point. where you come in really hot, one. of your parachute landings, I thought you were gonna break your legs. and you were just like, ha ha, did you guys see that? Did I scare you? Ha ha. And you just carry on. Yeah. You really. - Just carry on - The first time. where it just felt like a little bit. of your swag disappeared. - Yeah. - Was when you had to climb. - Yeah. - Yeah. There there's two things I wanted. to know about that is like, one, what did you learn about getting over your fears.

or your traumas in that experience and in that moment? And did you, and then the second one is, how did you, how did you put that much trust in people. who you'd never really met Yeah. Never spent any time with Right. But fundamentally had to believe Yeah. Had your best interest at heart. - Yeah. Overcoming the fear was, was a sort of, I've had this sort. of unique trust in life since I'm very young.

And it's not really any rhyme or reason for it, but I just mentally went to. that place, which I think you do when you're. in, when it's game time. When you're like, this is it. I'm on the most challenging thing. The fearful thing about that, by the way, was, was for me, was with parts of my dyslexia and other things. It was like these knots, - Learning to tie the knots, - Knots and these, and when you're gonna move these things, it's just. - Like the loop goes that way. And if you go the other. - Way, then it's wrong. And then, and it's like, and if you go wrong way, so.

that was like, I just had to commit to the process. and be as present to it as possible. and trust that this was something that was meant for me. and that I'm on this journey and I'm committing to it. So I'm gonna go like I do 110%, you know, and I'm gonna go into it. And the really hard part was the second part. to your question, which was trusting. and meeting mo for the first time, and who was an adaptive climber.

who has climbed since She's a child. with one hand, born with one hand. So her spirit and her confidence. and the twinkle in her eyes was really. kind of leading me forward. And I was like, look, if she can do this, and she's telling me I can do this, I can do this. But I was, I, I had terrible potty mouth on that shot. They beeped me about a million times. because I was so, I was, there were points. where pop muscles in my back. and in my body that I didn't even hadn't know.

- Existed. Yeah. Existed. Everyone says, when you climb, - You - Learn parts of your body you never knew you had. - And you know, I knew I fell, I was gonna fall on a rope. So in some ways it didn't have the same abs. abject terror, right, okay. Of standing on the edge of something. But the climbing was just, it was. so challenging. to overcome. At one point, I'm climbing this in this video bit, and I completely, I've had, I chant since I'm a kid. And this woman goes, so what do you do? I go, I breathe.

And she goes, well, 'cause my head was so spinning, it was like, I ch and I'm like, and then suddenly I was like, okay, I'm doing it. I can do it. You know what I mean? It's like my magic kind. - Of Yeah. - Tape, if you like. And so I'm like, just like chanting my way through, which is like basically just saying, I'm grateful, I'm grateful, I'm grateful. I've got. - This, I've got this. You. - Know, - I don't know if my read was correct, but when I was watching the show, I felt, I felt like I learned a lot more about you as a person. You reveal parts of yourself that are forcefully drawn out.

by the, the severity of the situation. - Right. - You know, so, so when, when, when you, when you are wing suiting and you're, you're skydiving. and you're getting, you know, accredited in, in the space. of a weak I see, I see a side of you that is like, you, you, you really push yourself. I couldn't help but wonder where you get that from. You, you have like, such a is like, are you hard on yourself? Yeah. Are. - You Yeah, probably. You know, I I I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want. to ever look back and think I didn't suck the marrow. Right. Because I feel like, I feel like there's, there's,

there's like, I would always take the, the, the harder path, right. Because I would get something from that, you know? And I think that that's what the show represented for me, taking the hardest path possible. to confront this fear at a time where I'd felt so much fear. And it's just that, like for me, I'm, I'm super privileged, you know, I'm super blessed. I've had this insane life. What is it gonna take for me to be out of that to it? It, it took this insanity, huh.

Hopefully the takeaway is let's step outside. of whatever it is, is our comfort zone. - Mm. - So that we can, and, and, and trust and engage. and be curious and learn. and sort of try to, that was, you know, that's. what I'm, that's me. Right. Trying to do that stuff. That's just, you know, and, and I think the hardness is like, it's, it's probably just an, an ancestral thing. And like, you know, I think partly having.

so many remarkable experiences so early. - Yeah. - Like I, my whole life played out on giant movies. that everyone watches Yeah. Had watched. And I was just still learning, you know, like I look at some of my peers. and you know, like some of my friends. who were in the business who started in the. Disney Club, you know what I. - Mean? Yeah. - So like acting was like second nature to them. They're like all directors now. or like wanting, you know, they're like, literally they started at 12. and they're in the, so they, they have timing, they have comedy, they have dance, they have everything. that they, I was like, I was doing school plays, you know,

playing the Pirates of Pennants and the police officer. I didn't even play the pirate. I played the fuck, you know, I played the character, you know, and I was like, you know, I went. to the National Youth Theater and I. didn't get the lead roles. I was like the spear carrier. And by the way, chewy Chew, I'm not, shouldn't Chew Tell. who was like, he played Othello, right. And he was like, I was like on stage. with him when he was doing it, and he was like. chewing and he's phenomenal. The scenery. Oh my God. - Yes. - He's just like chewing the scenery. We were all looked up to him. and he was just like crushing it as a, I've never seen an animal on stage like it as a kid. where he is just dominating.

And I'm like, so I'm like with my spear. And, and the guy was like, just. pipe down with the spear lander. You're not like, do you know what I mean? I'm like, you know, it was like that. So I'm learning everything, but like in these tiny bits of moments. So then I'm suddenly 18, no 20, and I'm going off. and I'm, I mean, it was the most amazing education. And thankfully Peter Jackson and, and Fran, his partner. and that whole team in New Zealand were just like, and Ian McKellan, Ian Hol, you know, Christopher Lee? Vigo Mortenson was my, was my mentor basically. Yeah. He didn't even know it. I used to sit next to him.

and just like absorb his, and that guy, there's a guy who's committed, there's a guy. who knows, like there's a guy who's an artist. Yeah. I think I felt like maybe it was like, people would like to say, and people probably. think or said it was a layup. They don't know the work that went into it before. - Yeah. Okay. So in - A way. - Okay. So. - In a way it's like they don't know the amount. of auditions I went through. This makes a lot of sense. Or the fact that I. left home at Yes. You know, I left home at 16 to move to London on my own. Yes. To hustle like a crazy person. Yeah. To get into drama school, fail the first time, second time get in Right. Then to get myself through drama school.

to work on the weekends, folding clothes to sell, you know, to get I, you know what I mean? It's like, - There's a, there's a beautiful phrase. I, a friend said it to me once, she said an, she was actually on the podcast a a few episodes ago. for my birthday, but she was saying she, I love this line. She said, she said overnight success does happen overnight, but the preparation leading up to. that point takes a lifetime. - Yeah. - And I think. that's sort of what you're speaking to is. - I, I, I was, I was, because - It's zero to everything. - I was, I was, but not for you. Probably eight or six.

And I used to sit in the school gym. and imagine that I was Superman flying in. to get my girlfriend or something. It was like, I had like fantasies. of playing like the full guy. Right? Yeah. Like Lee Majors. I used to watch that. Or you know, like, it was things like Dallas and LA Law. I was very like, you know, watching TV. of American, the American style. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, it was all of that. that led to the, and I think breaking my back, you know, I think if anything, I remember going back to drama school. and I sat in this circle of friends.

and it was all like, everybody had. to speak about what they were gonna do. And we all had to speak about what the other, what we, how we saw the other person. Right. So everybody said like, what are the, when we come outta drama school, you know, we talked about, and everybody went around and we were like, oh, this is. what Maya does. She's this amazing Italian actress. - Yeah. - Who I, I love and adore still. And, and, and you're sort of imbuing all of these people. with like, you are dead dreams. - It was beautiful. - I like this. It was really special. And people said wonderful things, even though I'd broken my back. And they were like, and, and people. who I didn't even think like me, honestly. And they were saying these wonderful things about, about.

what they thought I could, I was capable of. And it was as if I didn't know that. It's a very weird thing. You, you, you mentioned this earlier, I think there's, there is a disconnect, which is probably why I. keep going back to. - Like, yeah, no, this makes sense. - To building it out. You know what I mean? This makes lot of sense. And I'm with. that lot. It's like, I work, I just work. You know, it's like, just keep showing up. I think Tom Hanks said that, right? It's like, and something will give. and it's like, in a weird way, I like that though. - So the other thing I learned was you, one of the parts of the show that's, I mean, in, in Time,

it probably takes no time in the show, but it has I think some of the most gravitas in the show. It's, it's the moments where you're talking to Katie. - Yeah. Yeah. - And it, it's, it's beautiful. because it showed me something about the two of you. that is very difficult for people to understand. until you see it. - Yeah. - And it's that you seem to be pursuing a life. of purpose. A a life of, of peace.

And also, strangely enough, like a li a life of normalcy. - Yeah. - Which is strange because like Katy Perry, one. of the biggest pop stars that's ever lived, Orlando Bloom, one of the biggest actors that's ever been, you know, like the movies, not really the blockbuster, you name it Trilogy after trilogy. Right, right. But it's, there's this strange thing. where it seems like the two of you have found a connection. that exists in peace and normalcy. Like, and I, I could be wrong. You could just be like, Nope. No, you, you're. - Right. I, I think one of the things that I fell in love with. with Katie was like, I didn't really, she hates when I say this, so I have to word it carefully,

but her music was everywhere. Right When I came up, it was just on every radio station. But I wasn't conscious of like, I wasn't. what I was listening to, but like, I fell in love with this, with Catherine, this girl from Santa Barbara, you know, and by the way, parents, pastors living on food stamps. - Yeah. - We're not talking glamorous. - Right. - Montecito like, or Santa. - Santa Barbara. It's the side of Santa Barbara. No one knows. - Yeah. It's the side that no one knows. And we both understand.

I think we both meet each other with understanding. where we came from, what, what we worked to do, what we had. to do to get to where we got to. And she definitely. demands that I evolve. Right. And I feel I do the same for her. And that makes for fireworks, pardon the pun. But it also makes for a lot of fun and a lot of growth. And, you know, I wouldn't change it for anything.

Even when sometimes it feels like, how do we do this. because we've got these two giant careers and lives and, and hers is even, you know, there's even, it's like a universe sometimes. Yeah. Yeah. But I think I just keep coming back to her. and trying to like, hold her hand. and walk it back to the sand pit and be like, yeah, but this is, we're just gonna build a sandcastle. You know? And she loves to do that too. She's like, she's like, oh yeah, the sandcastle. or the ride of the bike. You know, the, the little, the little moments that, that,

that, and she's a master at helping to, you know, do create the help, help. to keep building those moments, you know? So I try to, I try to hold a space big enough. I try to be big enough. I think even, you could even say in the show, it was like me proving to myself that I was man enough, big enough, whatever, capable enough. 'cause part of it was I learned to be capable in that. - Show. Hmm. - In life in a way that like, and it's like, see, I could do it. - Yeah - Mom, I can do it.

- Yeah. - See this babe. I can do it. You know, if you thought I couldn't, I drive too fast. Look at this. You know what I mean? But in a way, you know, that's me. That's my journey. Yeah. That's my journey of evolution. To like constantly remind myself that, you know, of the things that, you know, 'cause I, sometimes I forget. I mean, maybe, - But it, but it seems like she never forgets that. That's what I mean, is so powerful. Yeah. And I hope, I hope people watch the show, even if it's just. for that moment, in that reason. - Yeah. - Every time you do something amazing in the. show, and it's amazing. Not just because you've done it, but because. of the timeframe that you've done it in.

You seem to be surprised. and you seem grateful and you seem happy. She seems like it was a confirmation. of something she always believed about. you. Do you know what I mean? - Yeah. - This was a moment where, and she either says it or she intimates. She almost has a vibe of like, all right, now come home. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You jumped, you did it. I knew you were gonna do it. Now come, don't. - Right. - You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. And, and. it, it, it really is. It really is stunning. Don't go anywhere. 'cause we got more What now after this?

I, I could talk to you forever about this. I love it. But you know, unfortunately, time is time. - Yeah, that's right. - Some people say it doesn't exist. - Are you gonna come jump with me then, - Trevor, jump away. - We'll jump out of a plane together. Let's do that. I'll get you with Luke. You'll love it. Confront some of those fears. Have you done it before? Maybe you've done it before in. - My life. I haven't done it before. - Let's do it. Let's go jump out of a plane. - So here's the thing. Here's the thing. Orlando, I, I come from an African family.

and there's one thing I've promised myself. and my family that they won't, all they'll need to do, if they ever, God forbid, have to come to my funeral, all they'll have to do is cry. Okay. They won't have to ask questions. They won't have to justify why I'm there or how I'm there. They will just, they'll just get to cry and go, Trevor's. Now, God willing, none of them will ever be coming. to my funeral 'cause they're older than me. What would be your fear then? - What would be, what would be the one that you would do? - No, no. All of them are my Are they?

But, but it's not like my, what I mean by it's not, my fear is I don't, I don't have a fear. of jumping out of a plane. - Right. - I just think. - Even don't have a desire either. - Yeah, exactly. So I, I think of it this way. I think in life, you don't have to prove anything. We have a limited amount of luck, and we have a limited amount of, - I don't believe that - This, this magical life. force thing, I think I got that's, - That's my brain now. - Oh, really? - Yeah. It's endless. - This is what happens if you break your. back and then you walk. I mean, after that you go like, I can probably do it again. Please. You know? No, and then it's great. It's great for you. But yeah, I don't know.

I, I, look, I'm not saying I won't ever do it. Right. You know, I, I bungee jumped and, - Oh yeah. Well, there you go. Now that's, I've done. That's, that's an intense feeling. You so. - It's safer than skydiving, but it is more terrifying. - Yes, it is. - It is. It's terrifying. It is terrifying. And I, I never want to do it again. I don't need to do it again. People, I love it. I hated it. I hated all, I hated jumping. I hated waiting to jump. Did jump. I hated falling in South Africa. Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. At the time. Crazy. It was the highest jump. Yeah. That one. Yeah. It's ter it's just terrifying. Terrifying. Yeah. And then there's a moment where you. just hang upside down. You just, this is all that's.

happening. Blood rush. You dangling. - The - Blood's rushing to your head. - And you think, why did I do this? - And then it feels like your feet are slipping out. And so, and then you get to the top and they're like, huh. Huh. How's that? You're like, I'm like, no, - I'm good. Thanks. - It felt like I jumped off a bridge. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. There was nothing. that changed in me off. Like I, 'cause lemme put it this way. I, I believe as Trevor, I can jump off a bridge if I need to. I believe this. So nothing changed after that. I didn't walk away from it going, you see, I can jump off a bridge. I knew I could. If I need to, I will jump off of a bridge.

- Right. - But I'm, I'm not, I hope I don't need to. - Right - Before I let you go, I'll ask you the question. Ask everyone who comes on on the podcast, and thank you again for joining me. You know, I having me your time, the conversation. I love it. You being candid, - Love what you're doing here. - What now? Like, what, what does, what does Orlando seek to do now? Because again, you, you have sort of. done the same thing that you did. with Lord of the Rings and Pirate. This is another trilogy, but this is a personal trilogy. - Right, right, - Right. Where do you wanna. see yourself? I think from, - Here's like three visions.

If I can make good on this promise that I made to myself, that, that for my career, right? - Yeah. - Like, if I can make good on this promise, then I'll be able to use what I've been doing there. to, to support my work. Like which unicef, which I've done for like 20 years, which I find like to be the most rewarding thing in my life. outside of my family. - Right. - So if I keep moving those three around, so it's just, it's a quite. - Family, - Family. Not in any specific order. Family, family. It's like if I, if I, my career's going right, if I'm, if I keep just showing up for my career, okay.

And it keeps working, then it gives me a, a greater platform. to keep working on unicef, which is really something. that I think they do amazing work. And then, you know, and then my family will be taken care. of. And that's the most important thing. - To me. Interesting. And so it's a trifecta that keeps. - It's trifecta that just keeps working. Yeah. It's like, okay, keep doing this, do this. I'm with you. You know, and then, then you're good. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. And, and you know, I think simplify Honestly. Like I'm, you know, I think I'm, I'm seven years more older than you, and I think it's like I've got, oh fuck. So I just need to like, who wants to sift.

through this stuff when I'm gone? You know what I mean? Like, get rid of it. You know what I mean? Like, I'm like, but it's so valuable. Is it? Does anyone really know? But you know, just think the, the over my attachment to things. Right. And just like, just simplify so that you can just, the one thing my mom did say to me is he. who travels light travels far. I dunno where I missed that lesson. 'cause I keep saying it. And I did not, I do not travel light, but I like to think I travel far and, and mostly in my head. So I'm just, you know, slowly preparing for death.

- Damn. I mean, that is, that is both, you know, I, I recently meditated with some monks. Yeah. And it's funny because, you know, you, you practice. - Buddhism. Yeah. - That is one of the fundamental principles. - Yeah. - Is understanding that it is all fleeting. - Yeah. - Understanding that it is all temporary. - Yeah. - But having more appreciation. for it because of that. - It's like, we keep, we, you know, some. of us just keep focused on this life. It's like, like let's, I'm thinking about the next life.

You know what I mean? I'm like, not this life. Lemme just don't fuck it up. I've already been given some plate. I've been dealt some pretty nice hand. - Yeah. - Don't f it up, but like, let's build for the next one. So when you drop in next time you've like, you've done enough to be able to go, okay, am I good here? Do you want me back? You know what I mean? Right, right, right. In a way, you know what I mean? Like, in my brain, I'm like, did I, did I get. flying colors last time around. or I like that enough to bring me back.

You know what I mean? So that's, yeah. - What, what seeds do you plant today. to enjoy the forest tomorrow, essentially. - Correct. Yeah. Correct. And, but even if a lifetimes, I always say, I used to say. to Katie, you know, like, we're doing lifetimes baby. Like, you're here and we're doing lifetimes. It's not this one. So let's, you know, it's like we're doing life. I, I think everything is missed. I think we're all interconnected, you know? So. - Yeah. Yeah. Well, thank you. I like that. Thank you. Thanks, man. Thank you for, for this lifetime, for this moment. And thank you for the next one. - Yeah. - I'm glad you're alive.

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