Zac Brown | This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von #500

all right I've got some new tour dates. to tell you about uh We've added a. second show in. Belfast over in the United Kingdom on. June. 6th um tickets are available now for. that show and we're going to do more. shows in Europe or white Europe and we. just haven't had the chance to get them. on so it'll happen in the future this is. just a brief uh time that we're visiting. over there as well we have shows in.

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and um yeah dang bro that's. wild today's guest is a musician from. Atlanta Georgia he's a three-time Grammy. winner the writer of countless hits over. the years and I can say first and. foremost honestly one of the best live. shows around he's about to kick off a. big summer tour uh we just got to hang. out recently and I'm fortunate to get to. spend time with him again today's guest.

is Mr Zack. [Music]. Brown I sit and tell you my. stories. sh and I will find a song I will sing. [Applause].

I left my. phone somewhere. yesterday and I don't know if you've. done. that used to find my rig on it oh I. didn't I didn't have any of that set up. and um yeah for two hours I didn't have. my. phone it's a scary thing it was scary. and look here's the crazy part I was. okay yeah that was kind of you feel your. pocket vibrate oh I felt in there yeah I. kept well I kept feeling my pockets I.

was like well did I make sure I felt my. pockets which was kind of a crazy thing. when I have when I run out of Zen or I. don't have my can of Zen in my pocket. bro I'll Pat my pants like every 15. seconds I'm like it's the worst feeling. like a [ __ ] crackhead chasing a. pebble dude I'm like I'm like digging in. the carpet I'm like oh [ __ ] I don't have. any. Zen yeah I was even feeling on different. parts of my pants I'd never felt on. before too like could it be like is it. in my cup yeah yeah like where where did. I put it's and it is crazy yeah be like.

oh maybe I didn't feel my pockets well. enough that would be the thought that. would come to my head and I would go. back and do it um and those cicas are. coming do you know about it no the cicas. bro are on the horizon they're coming um. so it's an insect I know it's AAS are. okay beautiful insect really the El. Caminos of insect kind of if you look at. them very unique appreciated.

and do their own thing but they have. this year is a special year where this. year they have two Broods and they. usually don't happen at the same time. okay and this is the first time since. the 1800 1805 or something that they are. both happening at the same time so there. will be some parts of the country um I. think it's just like an Illinois where. that'll get both of them at the same. time and it'll be so loud you won't even. be a like the locusts are coming it's. like Alfred Hitchcock [ __ ] where people. are like running around hiding in their. bathrooms and [ __ ] yeah awesome yeah so.

if your spouse goes missing during that. time right then that's on Mother Nature. I think yeah but um yeah that's coming. up pretty soon I think it's in uh May. and um early June so Zach Brown man good. to see you dude likewise thanks for. having me thanks bro I appreciate you. coming in man how are you I'm doing. great yeah doing awesome you got a new. song really doing well yeah I got a new. one out Summertime song so we did a. summer EP never really put together like. just a bunch of like this kind of songs.

before so we had the one we did for. Jimmy Buffett to the Pirates and parrots. which just came out so that's part of. that kind of the slower one but the. other ones are all just kind of upbeat. just like lake or Beach Music stuff so. yeah to's the one that's out right now. and um it's good [ __ ] man it's always. fun it's like when you write a new song. it's like having a new baby you know. it's like just excited to get it out and. play it live and hear people sing it. back to you so it's it's a it's a good. time fun time for that yeah well I guess. what's that like it's like you get that.

song out there and then the first time. you get it out there and you start to. see that people know it yeah yeah and. usually if if you see people like taking. their shirts off while you're playing it. you know it's going to be a good one. yeah yeah out in the crowd so especially. if those people are women I think yeah. yeah but normally the ones that want to. the women that want to do that are not. the ones that you want to see do that. but it's still out there you know what I. mean yeah you get to see what their R&D. is like the relative nipple diameter oh. is that relative to the side size of the.

person breast itself oh yeah huh yeah so. if is it like a Mortadella like a big. salami slice or is it just like a little. you know little tiny Olive or something. you know I don't know what it is whato. or whatever yeah exactly oh dang I. didn't think about that I wonder who has. the largest breast and the smallest. nipple you know that's got to be a. Guinness thing man somebody's had to be. recorded on that and you think it would. probably be somebody maybe be like kind. of Swedish at amese maybe I feel like.

yeah that's a good cross that leave like. where there's no areola it's just the. Tipple yeah that's it brother yeah Annie. Hawkins Turner actually better known by. the stage named Norma stits is a website. entrepreneur and fetish model her. pseudonym is a word play on enormous. tits as a uh giganto mastia she that's a. proper word for giant yeah for having. big breast is actually called giganto. mastia and she holds the Guinness World. Record for large just natural breast wow.

but no talk of the R&D M yeah yeah we're. not getting really stats on her I want. to get yeah I want to get some BTS stats. on that lady um yeah you've had success. man when did you start to like you've. had a lot of success right you've had a. long time of success we've been blessed. man been blessed but worked hard yeah to. get there you know just grinding man. grinding for years and years to get to. the beginning of the success oh that's. interesting yeah do you remember like.

your first definition kind of of success. and then do you feel like it's kind of. changed over time some it does man I. think you know you constantly every few. years have to redefine what success. means to you but you know back in back. in the early days it was like I want to. get a gig or play some music in a bar. you know and have them pay me and want. me to come back you know that's kind of. the first step and and I was playing. backup for this guy just playing guitar. for him and like singing backup for a. dude and I was making a hundred bucks a. night doing that and missing my early.

classes in college because of it but. that was the first um time but even back. then when I was a kid like I was in. choir like first grade through you know. all the way through college and you a. little song bird huh yeah I just music. was my first love man and it's still. like one of my biggest loves that I have. you know um it just moved me man and it. it's it's always been like my safety. blanket as well like when I have my. guitar with me as a kid like I carried. it to school every day I was that kid.

like had a guitar with me like football. practice after football practice it. actually kept me getting hazed in. playing football it's like when I went. to high school and was playing high. school ball um if I could play some Pink. Floyd if I could play some wish you were. here or something the guys would want to. do then they wouldn't rub Ben Gay on my. nuts like they would all the other. freshman you know what I mean so yeah. you can't beat up the guy if you need. him to do something for you later. exactly exactly that worked out good. that's a great thing it's like that is. such a great surviv skill you're like I.

have to be of value to these people in. some way shape or form and uh where was. that in Georgia where you were at yeah. in uh for scyth County Georgia which was. pretty wild growing up there. because when I was probably eight or. nine um you go to Walmart and there'd be. a full like KKK rally happening in the. parking lot like no way hoods and robes. and beating on Windows and handing out. flyers and you know I mean that was like. it was not that long ago but I County.

was pretty you know well known for for. that you know what I mean and um. figuring out what to do with that and. then I remember later you know when I. was yeah when I was a freshman we had. the first ever like African-American kid. in the schools there that came there no. way yeah and he was fast too he he was. fast play football with us and um but. yeah it's wild just thinking man it. wasn't that long ago that it it was like. back back then you know wasn't that far. back yeah it is kind of crazy well I.

remember growing when I was growing up. in our town like a lot of black folks. didn't have you couldn't even have like. like the one of the kind of top jobs you. would have would maybe be like a teacher. like they didn't have like black doctors. and stuff in our town you know when I. was a kid I've talked about that on here. a lot but you know it's crazy to think. that that you that that a part of that. was alive in your life you know exactly. that it was that you know the in. straight up hoods you know what I mean. that's crazy and where would they meet. at like a Dollar General or whatever.

dude I don't know I don't know but uh. but up in dela where I ended up moving. for and graduating from high school up. in North Georgia where I'm from there. like the dude we knew like the grand. wizard lived in that house I was like. his house and it was um it was you go. trick or treat there no they' give out. like razor blades and m80s or something. you know yeah I would think he would. defin yeah um I don't know what yeah cuz. I actually shared a offence with uh. David Duke actually who was a part the I.

think he was like one of the assistant. Chiefs or something of like the um of. the clu Clan at one point dude they had. a restaurant I remember called clue. clucks clams dude. in uh H Louisiana for a while it was. kind of like a little bit of like kind. of a racial Seafood kind of spot or. whatever but um yeah I mean it's. definitely crazy to think you know I. never saw David Duke do do anything. racist but you know obviously he had. that in him in his past you know yeah I.

think a lot of it too is you know it. it's kind of based on just not being. exposed to good people of all different. kinds you know and that's like you know. and I'm sure you feel the same way like. getting to travel with what we do like. I've been on the road since I was you. know 17 like just all over everywhere. and so if you have if all you know if. your granddad told you stories about. these things you like the boogeyman. right like you should be afraid of these. things or you shouldn't do this or. whatever you're like yeah you know screw.

those guys or whatever but you know when. you travel man it just like that. ignorance gets gone and then it's kind. of like you still see people hung in it. cuz I go back like I went back to my I. think my 10year high school reunion and. the people had been doing the same thing. every day since I left and like they. might go to Panama City Beach to for. like vacation once a year like we used. to do on spring break but they're still. kind of in that capsule you know what I. mean so that's one thing and that's. another thing too I'm sure we'll talk.

about later but you know being a being a. camp kid like going to summer camp and. being around kids of all different. backgrounds and ethnicities and. abilities and like that just opens you. up for living with people for a week. that you might not normally get to do in. your own circles you know like we're. kind of limited to what our experience. is to what our environment provides and. then if you don't make an effort to go. get out and see the world then you're. kind of stuck in that thing you know. yeah and it's and it's it's kind of easy. for it to happen for a lot of people I. think when you come out of high school.

because a lot of in a lot of places. there's a lot of tradition right it's. like okay well you kind of go to the. same place maybe your family win or. something like that and it's great you. know I I think tradition is super. important but then some you don't. realize you can be stuck in some of the. same like uh your area can get stuck in. a lot of same traditional patterns you. know of like of just thought you. know but um yeah I'm trying to think of. like my first time when I would go to C. I think one thing that was good about. Camp was you would people came from. other schools so was like suddenly your.

world was a little bit bigger right even. if they came from a different town like. I remember one time I met somebody and. they told me they were from like a. different the place had a different name. than the town I was from and I was like. what are you talking about yeah I didn't. didn't know that like if you kept. driving you got to other places you know. I just thought you would just you know. you just got to the end of the street. and there was just like this unwell kid. out there yelling about de leopard all. day you know I didn't know you could. really just go out into the world. um and you went to Camp you said yeah I.

went to camp and the the camp that I. went to and and worked at as well um was. like an inclusion Camp so you'd have. kids in your group that might be on the. Spectrum and you'd have kids that come. from like inner cities like you know. kind of impoverished areas and um and. then you'd have like rich kids that just. sit around and play Nintendo all day and. then you'd have um you know all so you. put everybody together and I remember. like a transformative thing for me there.

just like a rope spider web right and. you get there the first day and you're. kind of in a group with these kids and. you're like you're kind of talking to. them or kind of not really you're like. you're not really down with them but the. first activity you got to do is every. single person has to be passed through. this spiderweb without touching it and. get to the other side so when you got to. grab a kid you know by his cankles and. pick him up and pass him through the. thing after you do that you know it's. like a low ropes course kind of activity. but after you do that that then you.

that's kind of the best Icebreaker cuz. it's like nobody's ever like everybody. puts two fingers underneath and lifts. you up off the ground you're like you. you had never been picked up by other. kids necessarily unless you might have. been you know bullied or thrown around. by them but it's like you got to get. everybody through the other side without. touching the spider web and then you can. move to the next thing I've never seen. this game so this is a popular Camp game. yeah it's just like a camp activity like. a ice breaker but once you realize yeah. see the picture right there of him. holding them up over their head so you. have to like pick kids up and pass them.

and hopefully don't drop them on their. head but it's um oh wow it looks very. Egyptian almost based on this photo yeah. yeah we would like we went looking we. some kid went missing us and we look for. him for almost two months I remember and. they're like well that's camp and we're. like we didn't even find Jeremy dude. they're like whatever you know when I. was when I was a a counselor um we had a. girl she came you ended up being a. counselor at that camp at that camp okay. so that camp had a big effect on staff. yeah but I realized as a kid like like. anybody that's really different than you.

from that point on after you live with. them for a week and you pick them up off. the ground and you got to figure out. touching somebody and you have to um you. realize like you're not that different. it's just like people have different. things like you know some of the kids. that I worked with I work with Special. Olympics in high school too and like um. you know some of the some of the the. kids that I work with that had Down. syndrome they were like the sweetest. most optimistic like they just had a lot. of parts of life figured out that Main. kids maybe wouldn't so it's like but you.

once you're around that and you become a. champion for those kids and so if. somebody else is picking on somebody. that's different you want to like stand. up because that's like your boy that you. were in Camp with and so you realize in. one week by dropping somebody into this. situation now they've been around all. these different things and now now. they're going to and also at Camp you. get to be like courageous for the first. time you know like everybody has to do a. skip right you had to get up on a stage. and you have to like do a stupid dance. or whatever like whatever to make people.

laugh oh dude I remember we had to do. Michael Jackson sorry to cut you off but. I'm not did I interrupt you really bad. no you're good okay sorry man but I. never I I forgot about this we had to do. uh oh Another One Bites the Dust who was. that Michael Jackson Queen bro almost. Michael Jackson and yeah we had and I. had never heard the song I didn't know. what it meant or anything you know I. thought it was about drug use or. whatever and um but yeah we had to out. there and dance in front of the other.

Camp I forgot about that yeah and so and. so if you just go get up in your class. at school and do that dude you're going. to get picked on forever but being in. that environment where you can be kind. of Brave for the first time and other. people are like celebrating it and you. you kind of learn to be a little bit. more confident you learn about other. people and different kinds of people and. you learn so I realized like in one week. of taking a kid and putting them in this. and and some kids like have a raw deal. if they don't have any mentorship at. home if they don't have any body that. shows them how to be or how to treat.

people or why or whatever it is unreal. then they leave camp with this new like. there's like you were talking about like. you just keep driving out of the Town. past the the kid screaming about de. leopard like until you get out of that. and you realize there's another world. then they look forward to coming back. there the next year and that changes. their mental capacity where they're like. hey if I make the right decisions then I. can get to a better place than where I'm. at rather than just being stuck there. and you know watching people drink 40s. and you know impregnate everybody in the.

neighborhood oh God yeah people should. not be allowed in some areas and I'm. going to say it they shouldn't be. allowed to have sex within probably 90. ft of. themselves that's a safe border bro cuz. you have to land it perfect well yeah no. I mean you'd have to be up on a building. to get it 90 feet to landing at the. right spot yeah I think I'm not saying. this well I think they shouldn't be. allowed to have sex with I don't know. how you would phrase it we obviously.

need a legislator to help with this but. yeah I think yeah there should be like a. life other we we need some we need some. better zoning in some genetic web you're. talking about not breeding within 90 ft. of where of where they're at are you. talking about actual physical touch of. it because that that presented a whole. another problem to me it's like I got to. figure out how to get with this girl. that's like 30 yard away and and succeed. you know what I mean there would. definitely be a great form birth control. because the the people that would.

actually hit the bullseye is going to be. like super small yeah yeah I mean maybe. an Archer I guess I don't know who would. have yeah some other means a lacrosse. yeah that guy oh that guy would be be. messy but would get the. job um no dude you were just talking. about something oh well you were talking. about like kids with Down Cinderman. stuff right so I was like really humbled. recently I went on this show it's called. beautiful tasty beautiful right and the.

guys it's these fellas Shawn and Marley. they're Australian right one of them um. has Down syndrome one of them I think is. just like a uh Kappa Sig or something so. here we are right here right go to that. beer chicken right here I'm a huge fan. of these guys right been a fan for years. and so when I was in Australia I got to. go do I watched some of them cooking oh. yeah you have yeah oh I got to go do. their show so dude here's the craziest. part at the end they're having a beer I.

can't drink right that's cuz in my life. right where I'm at in my life and I'm. thinking to myself and the guy's uh. Marley's like you know have a beer and. I'm like I'm trying to explain to him I. was like I can't he's like have a beer. and I'm like these I'm like I can't if I. ever thought someone was like negative. about these guys they can drink beer I. can't even they have Down syndrome I.

can't and they can have beer yeah like. they're more reliable. yeah they they have crazy gifts man. right but it's like I can't even have a. like that's the strata I'm on now it's. like when you were an alcoholic you are. outside of considered by Society outside. of the web of people that even have down. center it's like God I was like oh I. just felt like such a layo man um but.

yeah these guys are bro unbelie like I. didn't even know I don't even know if. they have down they were so I was like. these guys are way cooler than most. people I've ever spoken to you know it's. like there's a there's a you find this. with kids too that have been given. everything and like maybe their parents. don't pay attention to them or maybe. they don't really whatever but there's. like a poverty of spirit that people. have so it's like you know you you can. live in a nice house and have this or. whatever but you don't know really how. to appreciate anything that you have but.

that's one thing with the people I. worked with with Downs like they have. this incredible Spirit about and it's. like you can't teach that you can't. teach that to mainstream kids that might. not be able to do it but it's kind of. infectious when you get everybody in the. same group you know what I mean so we'd. have like two kids that are on the. Spectrum or have downs and come from uh. the part of Camp called spare wood which. I worked at that spot also spare wood. Sparrow wood okay um and I was on staff. one full summer living at sparrowwood. like different group in every week and. i' have two campers that I'm responsible.

for for having them [ __ ] showered and. shaved and ready to like come join. everything and you never know what it. was going to be but so you start off as. a as a as a uh as a camp attendee and. then you how many years then you got. couns and then I I started counsel when. I was 15 actually a year earlier than I. was supposed to and I counsel till I was. uh 17 okay and then for three years. every son I lived the whole summer at. Camp working as staff so living there. different group coming in every week for. nine weeks or 10 weeks out of the summer.

and what that taught me about myself was. invaluable like you know I'm I learn. more about me than than I ever thought. that I would but so that was the thing. when I was like 14 I was like I I want. to play music and I want to build a camp. like that's what I wanted to do so I. wanted to my impact that it had on me. made me want to dedicate my life to. building a place that does the same. thing that I kind of experien so like a.

summer camp yeah summer camp and then we. do you know we built an amazing campus. it's called Camp Southern ground oh you. have a camp now yes Camp Southern ground. yes okay yep wow so so you're able to. make this happen what happens with music. and you have to obviously stop being a. counselor once music got. busy yeah I had to stop being staff but. then I was like my dream first of all. was to be a successful musician like. just get to where because I worked at I. worked at this place in dela not far.

from the KKK dude's house called The. Wagon Wheel and it was like a catfish. fry house place right and I watch I. washed dishes there so when you take a. whole pan of catfish grease and you lay. it in the dishwasher and you have one of. those sprayers you grab the handle bro. and you spray that dude 80% of it gets. on your face yeah and so I was washing. dishes in this catfish fry house place. for like months and I was like dud. there's got to be something better than. this you know F was good oh the food was. good yeah fried catfish and hush puppies.

and all the [ __ ] but um and then I'd. clean the grease machine at the end of. the night like you got to filter all the. grease and then take the filter put this. filter on there that has all the. cracklings and all the stuff in it and. then you spray that bro and it's like so. I would come home like half soak and wet. driving my granddad's old like uh. Oldsmobile or whatever it was had the. blue like plush seats like giant ass. heavy door like when you shut that door. bro it was it was like you could hear it. two blocks away man oh it was like when.

the tomb opened for Jesus some of those. doors when you open it it was same thing. um but I would come home being soaking. wet and like I wore glasses back then. too bro so because of the grease or. because know cuz I couldn't see I had. bad who would let a guy who can't see go. into a dang grease I mean it kept it out. of my eyes but I definitely wore the. catfish on my face and then I worked as. a cook at McDonald's for a while too I. was grilling at McDonald's bro really. and they were they did they have a grill. at that time or what's the actual it's a. flat griddle thing and then you put them.

into a warmer you know but um I got. fired from McDonald's cuz I had this. manager at the time and she would her. boyfriend would come up in like a blue 5. Mustang and with his you know he had the. hair he had the whole thing and she'd. fill up a whole bag full of fries for. him just like a whole scoop and throw it. out the window to him or whatever so one. day every hour they throw away all the. sandwiches that we made right so every. hour it's got to go in the trash so I. was taking a chicken sandwich that was. going to be thrown away yeah and I and. my buddy was there he was walking and he.

was like I'll eat that and I was like. cool I slid it across the counter I. wasn't trying to hide it or whatever so. I got fired from McDonald's with. possibility to. rehire what the hell do first of all. that sounds like something that happens. in a prison system dude well it's like. with possibility of parole like there's. a chance you're good you can come back. what the hell and what was it a mcfish. yeah oh it was it was a McChicken oh. mcck yeah well that's better if you slot.

a mcfish to somebody first of all you're. obviously a dirty sorcerer okay because. who even eats mcfish except sometimes. your mom does when your dad left that's. the only person that ever ate a bottom. sandwich oh it's so sad my mom would get. it sometimes and every times were hard. for her then right times had never been. easy for my mother and um and uh and the. wrapping paper on it was a little. different it had a little more adult. adult yellowish color is a little more.

pastel than like the uhhuh kind of. electric kind of it's the color of Agony. yeah it was a little bit it had yeah it. just had more it had been through a. little more right you know it had been. recycled maybe and uh I would see my mom. get to make fish and I'll be like oh. things aren't going to go well at home. you know yeah but that's life man but. yeah I can't believe you worked with. them then and then did you hope to get. rehired or what had did no I was pretty. much after after cleaning grease and. then doing McDonald's and everything I. was like I don't want to smell like old.

food anymore you know and I was like. there's got to be a better way to doing. it and me and my buddy in high school so. we were singing together he was my best. friend and dude his family is the. stories of his family bro like you would. not even believe some of the stuff that. his seven brothers and sisters all their. names start with r all of them have. seven letters in them all of them but. like the life story behind all them dude. that's a whole episode of like three. hours of talking about the stuff that. happened with his family but really.

unbelievable um but he was my boy and so. we sang together and we had a quartet in. high school so we sing like barber shop. right there were three guys that could. sing and choir and the other dudes were. just in there cuz their girlfriends were. in there and they were tone deaf and. couldn't sing so we'd have like we do. literary meets and compete against these. kids that are like everybody can sing. one dude can sing like based like a. grown ass giant man yeah and then um but. we always had one dude that was awful. like me and my two best friends in high.

school Tyler and raford we would all. sing together and and we could lock in. but that always had one dude that was. awful and we never had one other dude. that could ever sing that was in choir. so we always had like it was like the. bad leg on the chair right um. so but me and raford sing like coffee. houses and stuff together and um you. know and you have a little band at that. point you guys it just me and him just. playing guitars and singing um and that. was when were you a good guitarist. I would practice man my brother took me.

to a Bluegrass Festival when I was 10. and they had uh like a guitar. competition where kids would compete. against each other oh wow and there were. kids that were like eight years old dude. that were just ripping the [ __ ] out of. the guitar and I was like [ __ ] if that. kid can do that [ __ ] I can too so I. would go sit on my porch in dela and. practice dude isn't it crazy how seeing. something that's it's like it's so crazy. the value of getting to see something. like even if you're talking about. whether it's another culture a skill set. you know remember the first time I saw. somebody do something I was like damn.

dude I could do something yeah you know. it's just like was it's unbelievable or. if somebody takes you to see like yeah. oh this guy plays music and then he show. you're like That's how little seeds get. planted but it really is it's like it. sounds ridiculous but that's just the. way it works I remember a guy showed me. how to do one day I was at the I was at. YMC I was at summer camp so we go to. Just YMCA Camp and it was good you know. but um it was just a lot of people that. would get hay fever and we'd all be like. kind of in one building you know and so.

I think it was just kind of safest way. for the city to have us be at in the. Summers because yeah it was back before. they had like Claritin or whatever right. and your eyes would just you get you. know you would just like yeah and just. just weren't doing too good out there. and they give you a soccer ball be like. 97 degrees you can't even see yeah moldy. like you first summer camps I went to. super early like you be in a cabin that. didn't have any air conditioning and. it's like Georgia in the summertime dud.

it's like you know and you'd have the. old denim mattresses you remember those. like they had like denim pattern on them. like stripes on the mattresses and. they're all moldy and like the pillows. are moldy and there's no thing so the. first the first four days you just get. used to sweating yeah and then about day. five or six you kind of get used to it. and then it's time to go home dude isn't. there something nice though about. there's something nice like sometimes. I'll I'll be on vacation and the place. I'm staying at won't have air. conditioning and at the first night it's. kind of like pain in the butt the second.

night but then you almost get like in. sync with the universe a little bit like. I feel like my dreams pick up and like I. feel like I'm a lot more in tune with. things when I get to that point does. that make any sense to you yeah yeah we. adjust that's one thing that's weird I. think that's why our immune systems go. nuts as like humans because we're made. to live out and freezing cold or super. hot or be scraped up like all that stuff. builds our immune system so when we sit. inside at like 72° every day all day and.

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called far from Einstein and so just. leaving college to go and do this thing. and a friend of mine who works with us. now loan me like six grand to make the. CD and um so we make this record we find. this dude that work at the Guitar Center. had like a home studio and we went in. and recorded it yeah that's me on the. left there no way yeah so we made we. made this uh this record far from h and. so me and my drummer we were like dude.

so we're going to go to Panama City and. we're going to make it and next year. we're going to be huge bro dude. everybody in the South if you could the. way to make it was through Panama City. dude it was like the naturalite New York. yeah so we had a van I sold my insurance. policy that my dad had bought for me for. like 1,200 bucks and I bought a like an. old Dodge Good Times van like had the. bubble Windows it was a V8 but I'm. pretty sure only like four of them. and you can smell the gas just running. out of it like in the car and so I had.

we made a th. CDs wow yep it's the bubble window one. right there it had it had an orange shag. carpet in it I still have it nuh-uh yeah. and so me and my my dog I had a Jack. Russell at the time and then and my. drummer we got in there we had like our. instruments we had what we call shits on. sticks which are just the speakers like. a powered PA system that had run two.

speakers yeah and we went down to Panama. City and we're like man we're going to. we're going to make it bro so we we. drove around and we found this dude that. had a daqu shack he had a trailer that. had like a little RV that had a daqu. Shack in it but he had he had power we. saw like extension cords going to it so. we're like hey man will you let us plug. in out here and set up so we we plugged. in and we' set out and we play for like. eight hours a afternoon and a night for. this daak Shack and playing and we were. sleeping there was a house that had been.

hit by the hurricane and oh yeah those. are free this is right on Robert's drive. right where like sper and Lila and all. that stuff yeah trash dude where tone L. hooked up with my girlfriend too I'll. say it dude that's a true. story but anyway sorry um no no we so. you guys play right out there and people. showed up we we we slept on the back cuz. we had our van but we were sleeping in. the van it wasn't that great but we. found a house that was kind of abandoned. but the porch was intact on the back it. would have been like wrecked so we sleep.

on the back of this porch and then the. Sunglow Motel was across the street so. we go get their pool shower and like. take a shower and um sleeping out of the. van and I remember this is like we were. just trying to make ends meet right like. just make enough money to buy something. to eat you know just to be able to hang. out so it didn't cost us anything to. sleep on the porch of this house and I. remember they were giving away barbecue. Doritos that was when the the that. flavor just came out and some dude was. walking down the beach and giving out. sample bags and he was like wow y'all. want these I don't want to have to hand. them all out so he gave us a case of.

Doritos bro but I was like somebody. giving you a million dollars back then. cuz it was like dude that's like a. dollar a bag times whatever for us yeah. probably 36 bags and all I have was a. gas card so we get white bread and. baloney and mustard and natural light. and that was our diet bro but then we. added Doritos to the sandwiches and that. changed the game we got Loca yeah dude. welcome to frch so while I was swimming. out in front of this sungl Motel is. right on the beach you know right at. this abandoned house I was swimming and.

I met these older ladies that were out. there and I was just like walked up to. them they were just standing out in the. surf and I was like what are y'all. thinking about out here or whatever end. up making friends with them their mom. owned a badass house that was down the. road on Robert's drive and they had a. garage that had a bed in it and a. bathroom and everything so we made. friends with these people and it was. Muriel and JB Ellis was their names and. they were they were super old she was. like probably. 79 or 80 at the time and he was probably.

76 he wasn't at home first so it was. just her but she just like let us in her. house and they had a badass like stereo. system and 9 million bottles of liquor. everywhere you open in the cabinet it. was full of liquor so this a senior. citizen's home you guys are in now this. yeah this and so she was like oh yeah. y'all can stay here whatever and so we. were looking for so we had a place to. stay right so now we had air. conditioning and this badass house and. basically if you want to come in and. have drinks with them or whatever and. they go out dancing and they go to like. this place called salties and they'd get. up and dance and shag and get down you.

know but super amazing people but I was. wondering what the husband was going to. think like that she just brought in like. two stinky dudes two stinky youths van. youths yes okay at a motel pool y okay. who have just okay who have luckily come. into 36 bags of Doritos you know we had. a big of Doritos bro yeah so we were. worried about him coming home and you. know we hung out with her for like a few.

weeks or whatever and we'd sit and play. music for him in the house and he. finally came home and he was cooler than. she was they were both just amazing dude. so and they supported us so then we. found out there was a new restaurant. that had opened that was run by the. Israeli mob oh yeah and it was called. Joy's and called America it was about. one of their guys that their their. brothers that had died or whatever they. named it after him but this was down. right on Front Beach Road you know. and um so we got a we got a give we.

auditioned for him and we set up on the. deck they had a little you know outdoor. deck and we played outside and that was. the audition that was the audition to. play for them right so we set up and we. played and they're like high-fiving each. other whatever they drove lexuses they. had the like Gucci belts and the slick. back hair and all the thing hey yeah but. we started playing and they loved it. like they were like high five on each. other or whatever so they gave us a a. chance so we played the first 10 nights. for 50 bucks a night for six hours a.

night wow so that was our first gig at. this place Joey so we did the 15 or the. 10 nights in a row we made 1,500 bucks. and we were like [ __ ] poor Rich oh. you know I went and bought some new. Sketchers bro I was like yeah I think he. bought some Doc Martins some sandals or. whatever yeah and so we ended up like so. then we ended up keeping the gig there. six nights a week so we and then after. that I negotiated to get 300 bucks a. night let's talk business so then this. dude from Illinois this mattress. salesman dude was in the bar one night. and he's he was he looked a little bit.

like John Candy but more awkward and. more really weird he'd get really drunk. and put his hat on backwards and roll. his sleeves up and like he was he was. interesting but he just had a brand new. condo and he's super lonely cuz he's. pretty awkward dude right yeah so he let. us move in his condo so we're living in. a brand new condo now that's like middle. Beach Road just one road off the back. there and we slept on air mattresses and. like we were making cash and like doing. what we're doing I remember calling my. dad and like being like I got a job or.

whatever and he's like go you know go go. do it you know Dad I'm living with an. older guy from Illinois you know exactly. if you need a magnetic mattress pad I. got the guy now dude um wow so and so so. we just climbed that ladder in Panama. City bro we we were we were doing good. but we were grinding dude 6 hours a. night man we played from 8: till 2:00 in. the morning at night well it takes so. long especially then when you think this. probably before social media oh 100%. yeah it's think about the only way for.

something really to travel you know. people had to tell you hey you got to. hear about these guys I mean unless you. got to you know through the gates to. radio play yeah and and we were set up. there playing six nights a week six. hours a night and we did that for you. know the whole summer and then we go. back to Atlanta and I'd play some bars. in Atlanta and so we did a Circ it for. like and so I had to create a business. model right this place didn't have loud. music so if I if I had grown up up in. Nashville and I was like trying to go. get a gig for 60 bucks a night to play.

somewhere I wouldn't have [ __ ] been. able to survive so what I do I go to. sports bars like a wild wings that. didn't have live music and I say you. know I'm G to come play here every. Wednesday night and I just want the door. right so it doesn't cost you anything to. have me here at first like let me let us. come in and prove ourselves give us a. tab like give us like a $100 Tab and so. we come in and play there but [ __ ] after. like 6 months dude on a Wednesday we'd. have 300 people coming on a Wednesday. night and I was making five at the door. yeah so we were making bank then so so.

we did that three nights in oh that's. Atlanta two nights in Panama City and. two nights in Birmingham had every week. all like seven days a week for a long. time six days a week I had to hire a. dude from Mississippi State like this. old um football player dude who' get bad. road rage man really was it TJ moeny was. that his name his name was Keith Keith. loer but but he drove us dude I hired. him just to just to hang with us and. drive so I'd sleep against the window in. my truck I had a my brother co-signed.

with me to get like a 1500 Silverado. like a red God like the mini extended. cab like a little baby extended cab oh. yeah that little sex launcher baby I'd. get that thing beautiful yep so I had. that and a cover trailer with my gear in. it so we were like stepping up right we. were out of the good times van which got. like four miles to the gallon bro it's. like it was so we graduated that's a big. step yep that's a big step up man and we. could get around and we were just. hustling man but six years we grinded. like that for six six years just like.

playing the same house gigs in three. states just grinding grinding selling. those CDs for five bucks a piece and. then gaining tip money and whatever. drugs people would throw into the tip. jar at the end of the night you know and. and at that time did were you like. crossing paths with other musicians like. trying to think of Jason moraz was. coming I think he might have been out of. or like um John Mayor he was out of. Georgia was there any like did you cross. paths with any of those kind there was. nobody in these circus cuz the we played. no one they never had live music so I.

didn't know I didn't know there were. like a rule or way anybody else did it I. didn't know how anybody else did it cuz. we just [ __ ] created it ourselves. right so we didn't know like what we're. supposed to do cuz we just figured out. something that worked for us but we add. value to the places cuz if you own a. restaurant like if you make Bank on a. Wednesday night that's all cake cuz you. lose your ass through the week and then. Friday Saturday you make it up so um you. know these places were stoked and I. remember when we had outgrown playing. Sidelines up in uh kenesa Georgia we. we'd outgrown it and it was time and we.

moved on to like playing theaters and. playing you know Honky ton and stuff. like that like bigger places the manager. when I left because they were making. good money there the owner whatever left. me a voicemail and I saved it it's one. on my old phones but it was like after. all I've done for you and all this [ __ ]. and whatever I hope you fail nuh and I. and I saved that voicemail and it's just. it's just funny but what a negative kind. of Outlook huh well he was making a lot. of money off of but still he could have. just thought also man yeah I'm glad for.

you guys or whatever but I guess yeah. maybe that's us that made it even more. like kind of entertaining to us and also. just like you know I didn't know where I. was going all I knew is that I just. wasn't going to quit yeah but it got you. know it's that law like 10,000 hours. whatever you do for 10,000 hours you're. going to get good at right so playing so. many nights so many hours but I also. taught me the appreciation of like. loving all the people like the dudes. cleaning up the bar or the the the. waitresses and what ever it is like I. was connected to those people they. became like family in those places so.

for me just treating people good was. like that it taught me to like those. people are sometimes the only people. listen to you at the end of the night. when you're playing you know cuz I play. some shitty gigs dude like like the. worst really oh the worst like no one. there you drove eight hours to go play a. show and you set up and it's just like. you know do you ever play during a fight. any fights break out and you have to. keep playing oh yeah and I've had to. join fights like in the middle cuz. friends are involved in it really in the. middle of it why because y'all don't. have a good percussionist in the area or.

what Happ dude there's there's some. stories man the amount of bar fights. you've seen when you play in bars for 10. years is a lot and your friends are. bartenders and stuff like that or. whatever and you'll see some [ __ ] about. to go down there's like three dudes that. came in from one of one of the nights uh. so this is a Dixie Tavern right so I. ended up when I is in Jackson it's in. Georgia it's in Marietta Georgia okay um. it's right on Cob Parkway um right where. the Brave stadium is now the new Brave. stadium it's right down the road from.

there but that was where I cut my teeth. so as we got out of that circuit of like. Panama City Birmingham or whatever then. we started playing around uh Atlanta. more often and I had like three or four. house gigs around Atlanta MH and. actually talked them into building the. stage that was in there because they. didn't have liveb music so they built. the stage and we would play there and. one of the nights these two dudes from. uh Miami had come in like one tall. skinny dude and one kind of heavy dude. and and so one of my buddies was. bartending at the time and ended up. having words with him or whatever and so.

the the tall skinny dude called one of. the female bartenders who was married to. another bartender that was there a. different guy um a really bad word. called her the c word oh and then so it. was off and so the bouncers so you know. all the bouncers you know like nobody's. you're not going to get skull you're not. going to get curb stomped cuz nobody's. like looking out or whatever so it's a. little safer place to fight you know I. me and then we had off duty friends off. duty cops would come in and hear us play. and stuff like that so they're they're.

about so they we come in and I remember. this this night especially because. somebody had giving me like a little. chocolate mushroom right so it's like. love you baby so it's like right before. like two or three songs before the end. of the of the the night right so I ate a. little piece of chocolate right so Budd. whatever and so we we get done playing. the song or whatever and things getting. a little HD you know it's looking good. or whatever and then these two dudes. from Miami um. called her that name and the bouncers. are trying to throw him out or whatever.

and one of my buddies has the big one. kind of he's got his arm pushed up on. his neck holding him against the wall. and this other dude this tall skinny one. who I think he's on meth cuz he was. crazy strong yeah so he's like swinging. at everybody so when I was in in in. college I did Judo at West Georgia so. this dude's swinging at everybody. there's like six dudes in a circle and. this dude's just like swinging and and. just trying to hit somebody right oh. yeah so he he he's turning around he. he's one of my buddies and misses. whatever so I get on his back I get him. in a rear naked choke oh right and I'm.

I'm starting to be special cuz for my. chocolate right so I've got this dude. and I remember the feeling of his warm. neck right and so and I was I was bigger. I was probably like 250 you know I was. bigger boy no just I me I was strong but. I was I was not thicker yeah so so this. dude he goes down to the ground with me. on his back and then this dude is methed. up enough got that super strength. stands up picks me up with me on his. back and gets up and so then I then I.

started using my back I full on just. like cranked it out right so I kind of. felt him start and my feet were off my. feet were off the ground damn and so. yeah he he picked me up oh my God this. is like a cowboy meth strong like like a. bull riding meth meth dude yeah let me. lasso that pipe huh yeah so I'm. squeezing this dude and I finally I. finally feel him starting to go limp or. whatever and my feet touched the ground. so I just let go of the dude at that. point. and this dude's standing right like this. and so there's a planter a brick planter.

that's right outside Dixie Tavern this. dude fell like a tower. bro hit his forehead on the bricks bro. cut his head open I'm. tripping dude hits the ground pool of. blood starts coming out from this dude's. head and when you starty to put it back. head and I think and then and then I. think at that point I just kill this. dude right so I run I run in the back. and I go get I go get in the beer cooler. where the kegs are bro and I'm in the. I'm sitting in the cool with all the Ks. are going be so cold that the cops can't.

find you something yeah they weren't. going to find me with a thermal scan cuz. I was getting hypothermia in there bro. by myself and and so that everybody's. looking for me or whatever trying to. find Me's in a dep finder or something. so I'm in the I'm sitting next to this. cool and after about 30 minutes bro and. I just keep seeing this Blood going like. coming out this D head and I'm sitting. there and I'm shivering or whatever and. somebody finally comes in and it's like. are you okay whatever and they're like. just stay in here or whatever so I'm. like [ __ ] so then I get really cold so. I'm like you know I'm I'm at like 35° by.

then bro so I'm like so I come out and I. walk out and I look outside and there's. ambulance fir truck police like the. whole place is crawling with like you. know yeah fed rallies yeah so um so my. buddy Mike was an off duty cop and he. was there he told the cops that he hit. the dude and knocked him out and he hit. the thing so I was off the hook or. whatever but that was wild so this. dude's on the ground and right when they. start to pull a gurnie up or whatever to.

put this dude on a gurnie and move him. CU they didn't touch him because they. thought his neck was broken or whatever. he woke up and he runs to this bush cops. are all out there at this point he runs. out to this bush and starts shuffling. around in this bush and cops are [ __ ]. pulling out their guns and [ __ ] and. whatever the dude pulls a gun out of the. Bush n grabs a gun and the cop [ __ ]. knocks it out of his hand grabs him puts. him in cuffs and all the [ __ ] or. whatever but that dude that dude was. close to pulling that thing out and. shooting shooting somebody but he could. have shot somebody earlier if he hadn't. um had that opportunity to ride on his.

back exactly yeah he that was that was. wild bro but there's there's a lot of. nights like that that I've had playing. bar and what song were youall playing. when this happened dude I don't it it. was over cuz I had just gotten done and. it was like there were just did last. call and they were kind of clearing. people out and I don't think that they. were ready to leave but you oh that's. kind of the most dangerous time it's. that weird time when the bar is like you. know it's kind of closed people are like. if they've been talking to a girl. they're trying to get in their la words. or something it's almost like the final. round of like a dating show someone's.

violently drunk someone has been. abandoned by their friends um or spouse. um some guy's just been doing coke and. is just chewing off the last few inches. of his face in the corner somewhere he. finally shows back up that's why I would. never want my kids to work in a. restaurant or a bar cuz I've seen all. that [ __ ] like firsthand and what. happens after all that and like what. people do to keep bartending and. drinking shot like nobody can drink a. thousand shots a night without doing a.

bunch of blow yeah and so it's around. everywhere it's it's and it's cash money. and people are you know it's it's were. people ripping it pretty hard were you. guys partying pretty hard uh I wasn't. but there as soon as I saw that the. first time then I started seeing it. everywhere is that crazy every bar dude. it's just like that was all going on the. whole time and I had no idea yeah it's. kind of like when you buy a when you get. a car then you see them all the time. exactly exactly it's like the first time. you see somebody do cocing you're like. oh I see everybody doing this everywhere. people aren't just kind of casually. touching each other's hands like that in.

the bar for no reason yeah well my bass. player early on um I get done playing. him and people come up and go hey man. let me holler at Donnie you know or let. me let me holler at Jimmy or whatever. the dude's name was and I was like why. do you need to holler at him and so it. turns out he was dealing blow at my. shows so I had to I had I had to fire. him um he could play fast though bro he. could play Fast dude and uh and I had no. idea this was happening right so I let.

go but that's how I met John Hopkins who. was the first guy that was in my band. that I have now John Hopkins yeah not. the lymphoma guy is it the same same. name John John Hopkins yeah oh the uh I. met him at um Jimmy at Jimmy John's yeah. yeah you guys played us yeah special. event there so hop oh yeah hops Hop's. the first one that was in my band but I. was recording with him and I told him. about my bass player and he was like. well I can play a little bass I can sit. in so you know in February it'll be 20.

years of him sitting in W but he's one. of the best singers dude best [ __ ]. background singer period but he had a. band called brighter shade which is like. this kind of heavier metal band that was. badass he could scream and you know was. legit so um that was the beginning of. the band that I have now he was the. first member uh coming into that but. because it wouldn't have happened if my. bass player had been deing blow damn. yeah that guy could have still been you. yeah maybe yeah I don't know dude his.

tick would I would have found out with. the ticks eventually all the ticks made. sense after that he had that pentameter. on him huh some people get a little I. Amic bro if you have a little too much. blowe baby I've been there I start damn. I turn into a damn harmonica son um. today's episode is sponsored by Blue. chew daddy you know that when you. are having a when your wiener is not. doing at all blue chew can help they do. it that's right blue chew baby chew your.

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frames.com. Theo use code. tho checkout to save terms and. conditions. apply yeah one thing I noticed about. when your band plays dude it's not just. you yeah it is everybody yeah it is a um. chorus it is it is a it's like um it's a. super Ensemble Vibe yeah yeah and I.

think if you're doing it right you're. the worst dude in the band right so you. have people that are in your band that. could do all this amazing [ __ ] you want. to and you want to show them off man you. want to let them do what they're best at. and let people see that you know but I. think what I'm good at is just figuring. out how to make that accessible like. being able to just like find the things. that I feel like are going to be the. most impressive they can do and just. letting them do it man letting them do. their thing you know that's that's. really what makes our band special is. the musicianship of the people that I. have my everybody in my band's a ninja.

man they're and I create things I'm not. really like a theory guy I was I I. definitely had my party days when I was. supposed to be studying Theory because I. went to West Georgia uh University I. went there on a voice scholarship to. sing classical music but then my. roommate that I was with when they put. me there in the dorm was this dude that. smoked weed every five minutes bro from. Tennessee so I'd never been around that. really I saw it twice in high school or. whatever but then this dude and then. he's just in there b puffing bowling out. yeah then there was acid around and then.

there was all this [ __ ] so I was. supposed to be learning about theory in. music but I never I never liked the. rigidity of that like you can turn music. into math but it's not that to me like I. want to make you feel something so I got. all these amazing people in my band that. can tell you oh here's the math right. right like my bass player can listen to. a song and write the chart for it as he. listens one time down all the notes the. timing the thing just but that's not you. that's not me because I. don't I want to be able to try to. transcend a feeling and then they can.

tell us what the math is and they'll. make a chart and then everybody can play. it like I can play a song for him on my. guitar and then he gives it to my band. and they have a chart and then the first. time we ever play it it's a song like. everybody playing on it but I I never. had a class in school that taught me how. to use my creativity never had a class. ever it's all copy this [ __ ] copy what. beean did copy what mosart did copy Bach. copy all these things and it's like. what would it have been like for me if I. had a class it was like here's how you.

write a song Here's how you take what. you feel and put it into something like. that like it was never there weren't. classes for creativity there was art. class you can make some [ __ ] with some. strings or like string some macaroni and. [ __ ] together oh yeah or make a dude we. had a class one time we had to make this. was insane. um casts right like body cast or. whatever and they had one uh girl put. hers on didn't take it off for like 14. weeks dude this lady everybody at a. certain point forgot that we'd even made.

it for class right cuz it was just one. small thing we're doing on week people. thought you was handicapped for like. three months dude I bet it smelled. awesome in that too bro crazy dude big. hairs she had those like Caterpillar. hairs growing in her legs too she got. that thing off never had a hair on her. leg just took it off had full like Bush. all the way down her leg it had a little. bit of I don't want to say Fern coming. out of the edge of it but it definitely. uh she had her own um yeah she was. making her own little land before time.

over there it felt like you know yeah. growing in an ecosystem man yeah yeah. she had a little bit of ecosystem going. on um what else was what else was I. thinking. about um do were you did you guys open. up for some bands when you first started. out yeah so that was like a big bucket. list thing for us cuz like I'm still. just a music fan so like getting to hang. out with people that were Heroes to me. musically like musicians that I love. were like superheroes yeah but their. real life you know and so if you run. into them somewhere you're like oh my. God there's Superman there's you know.

whatever it is so for me that that was. some of the craziest milestones for me. when we started having success and going. is like we're just chilling with our. heroes you know and playing on stage. with them and then you get to be friends. with them and then it's that's even more. weird it's like that's weird somehow. appear with it but then you realize that. they're just normal dudes too and then. it's like and the greatest ones are. always the coolest ones man they're. always just like down to earth and cool. yeah like I know you guys had this song. for about Jimmy that was kind of in the. Jimmy Buffett vein recently you know.

um did you got did you have a. relationship with him ever yeah I was. good friends with Jimmy um he was he was. a mentor for me and he was he was. incredible you know and I've had him on. some of my songs too we had song KNE. deep and we did he was on same boat we. did a version of that with him just a. few years ago um but there aren't many. people that I could call and ask certain. questions to that could give you like a. real answer to that question you know. what I mean I'm sure it's like you your. friends that are big standup comedians.

and people like that that understand the. lifestyle that you live that have done. it and done it on such a big level and. built an amazing brand um you know we. did Crossroads with Buffett too when um. when oh that'swe we first got going um. but yeah Jimmy Jimmy was here's the kind. of guy Jimmy was one of my buddies was. trespassing on his property fishing. standing on the rocks on the back of his. place in Key West fishing on the thing. Jimmy saw him out there they're like. watching a game inside or something.

Jimmy walks outside to where the guy is. and says you need this kind of lure gave. him a lure and he's like and you need to. throw it over there and he went back in. his house so he didn't kick the guy out. for fishing in the back of his yard he's. like let me help you succeed at what. you're trying to do even though you're. trespassing on my place cuz the guy. wasn't there trying to like mess with. him you know what I mean but that's. that's a good example of of Jimmy and. his Spirit man he was such a such a. baller and dude in the 70s dud he was a. gangster bro really gangster flying.

drugs from Cuba and [ __ ] had. operations flying [ __ ] in his plane I. wish I could do it dude M mcal told me a. story they were flying I think he said. from Jamaica or somewhere and they they. had they didn't have a seat in the plane. for one of the Roes right so they gave. him an eightball in trade for letting. him ride where the luggage was cuz they. were just flying couple hours to get to. where they needed to go but they needed. to get him there and they ended up. picking up somebody else that needed to.

sit inside so they're like look bro if. you'll ride where the luggage is man. here's a here's an eightball yeah yeah. if you'll sit back over here with this. um s uh uh Samsonite yeah yeah so he's. he's in he's in the cargo bay right so. the plane the plane takes off and the. dude's cruising in there and but they. didn't tell that dude they had to land. real quick to clear security so the. plane takes off and then it lands again. like in 20 minutes right and then he's. looking out the crack in the [ __ ].

door cuz he's in the luggage Bay and he. sees dudes walking with [ __ ] machine. guns and [ __ ] outside so the dude's like. [ __ ] they're going to catch me with. these [ __ ] drugs in here so the dude. just toots the whole [ __ ]. bag sorry dude God snort the whole. [ __ ] eightball eats it whatever he. does [ __ ] down the down the hatch bro. and then the plane takes anybody do that. and then the plane takes off again and. it's in the air for like an hour and a. half right and Max said when they landed. dude and they opened this luggage.

compartment that this dude crawled out. of there and he looked like a bruised. banana this dude had been [ __ ]. tweaking in there getting bashed by. roller suitcases and [ __ ] like you know. not a lot of oxygen or whatever true. Nature's Child we were B born of me wild. pull up that Tik Tok of that bear. getting out of that coming out of. hibernation dude you seeing this deal. this bear I think is just got out of. hibernation beautiful.

animal mean this just R like Ron White. getting up. [Laughter]. out yeah that looks like Ron White after. some good. IAS godam that he just lost a sideb burn. right there shaking it out man god dude. that's fun man that's fun bro stories. man that's a great story and one of my. buddies his his dad went to prison for a.

long time helping with one of those. operations that he had and so for 20. years Jimmy raised him and so um and. then he ended up being like the artist. that made all the stuff in the margarit. vills like built the planes were crashed. into the things painted it all did it or. whatever like that whole like there's a. world in Key West that Jimmy was you. know responsible for and once you know. the local people there and you know the. people like it's such an extraordinary. thing and so when Jimmy when when I. heard that Jimmy was about to pass and.

his his his main guy had text me and. said he's about to exit the stage um. that hit me hard because I realized. like all of his crew all of his family. all of his business everything there was. this hole that was there and it hit me. hard man I was at home and I it was like. midnight or something and I got up and I. had to walk around and I just started. writing I just had to write I had to. cuz I felt that hole you know if. something happens to me there's a lot of. families that depend on me to be solid.

and me to be there and then without me. there there's all of these things that. are necessary I can't do without them. but they can't do it without me the way. that it is the way that it's set up so. it's like man I just felt this hole. there and I and that's when I was. writing about it all and um and ended up. meeting up some other guys that had. started a tune and and that's we wrote. this last one called Pirates and parrots. but that's about Jimmy that's about you. know saying goodbye to him and what he. created but yeah yeah I was listening to.

this. yesterday um wow. man yeah it's uh that's so crazy to have. one of your Heroes become a friend and. then they are. gone you know yeah I mean it's just like. I don't know life gets scar to me like. that um every day is precious man that's. why why it's hard to like sacrifice like. the people you keep in your circle is. like directly reflects and results in.

like whether you're successful or where. you're going and what you're doing cuz. if you just hang out with this dude cuz. you used to you know shoot natural light. together and whatever because of this. thing it's like that you're not hanging. out with expanders you know what I mean. like being around people that are. expanders and that you [ __ ] share. energy with and you can lift each other. up everybody has hard times but like. that directly results in your success. and as as you trim that Circle down and. keep keep it tight with people that you. just you. know you you resonate that it's.

like-minded like keeping like-minded. people around you is like directly. related to your success cuz you hang out. with sick people you're going to get. sick or you hang out with people that. aren't motivated where did you learn. that lesson did you learn that lesson or. is it something that you always kind of. had I learned that lesson dude. everything I've ever learned I learned. the hard way bro punching myself. punching myself in the face the whole. way doing it man and then finally like. oh wow maybe I shouldn't punch myself in. the face anymore you know and. um but I'm I'm a curious person man I'm. always curious like how things work how.

things operate like you know I brought. some knives actually for you I brought. last time I gave you a little one right. yeah you did man we got kind one for the. yard oh my God as well but. making making things and like you know. finding a rabbit hole man finding. something that there's always another. level of you know and figuring out how. to oh my so you just push with your. thumb to pull that thing out it kind of. locks in right there that little tab. just P that yeah oh yeah so I have a. knife company called Southern grind it's.

all production knives but that's kind of. like the replacement for a hatchet or. you know cutting Limbs and things like. that or oh yeah you know whatever. somebody reaches in your car trying to. car jack you too yeah whatever you. whateverit finger Simi homie that's. right I'll freaking take a knuckle off. of some little cat if he's trying to get. my watch that's right wow this is you're. you have a company that makes these yeah. yeah Southern grind um this a real knife. oh yeah. oh yeah boy those also throw really well. too if you you like throw knives yeah.

dude one thing at a time man I just got. a hold of this thing I have to register. this. online yeah oh yeah thanks bro yeah man. this is really cool you know one thing. else that I got really nice one time not. to take your gift and talk about another. one John poer one time gave me a. harmonica M and I thought that was. pretty cool did he leave some grease in. it he been had he been sucking on it it. it looked like it had a little bit of. work done on you know like it had a. little bit of lung left killed on the.

harmonica bro he was so good yeah he was. so good but wow to say that that I have. that and uh Zack Brown's knife yeah. that's cool man yeah I guess I can use. it in the yard I just got a couple of. bird houses um so I'm sure that nature. is going to be flaring up back there a. little bit more um what do you consider. success now like what's kind of your. view of success you've gotten to have a. lot of like Commercial Success you know. like what do you think about success man. my my my first main thing is my family. man my kids you know just just showing.

up and being there for them uh I get. them half the time and I'm a wbon so I. live 10 minutes away from from uh from. their mom and we just rock co-parenting. together and um but when I have my kids. man and it's it's it's a great thing. it's just like humbling and whatever cuz. I'm basically like the house [ __ ] when. I'm home man I'm there to help like take. him to school and you know pick him up. and and hang with them and I I just. that's my first priority is making sure. that the time I have with them is like.

the greatest that it can be so that's. half my life and the other half is like. I tour I Adventure I Spearfish um you. know I bow hunt um I I do things that. really fulfill me but it's really about. just being out in the wild because. that's that's what refills my cup man. that's what makes me feel like if I'm. doing something that's so engaging with. me that I have to there's no other. chatter you know I don't have any noise. that's happening or whatever so success. for me means like obviously being there. for my kids and then trying to be.

creative trying to still write good. songs trying to take care of myself take. care of my body like I want to be able. to do that stuff when I'm super old you. know investing in it like being a little. uncomfortable every day will save you. from being uncomfortable and miserable. your whole life from being all bound up. and and not feeling good so yeah I did. yoga today I didn't want to God I didn't. want to but I did but that's that's what. that's what it takes man but but you. know how you feel and you kind of get. momentum in those areas where you feel. good so anything that I can do I work.

with an amazing like regenerative. medicine doctor um and he he's got me on. a good like peptide regimen I take NAD I. take um I do a IV every month with. exomes in it which is like really oh. wait were you telling me about this I. think so yeah were you telling me about. B stem cells create exomes when they. like go to an area to heal things MH but. they have oh it helped your shoulder. were you tell me that yeah completely. healed my shoulders up um getting some. stem cells and getting things like that.

like you know there's a lot of. controversy around stuff like that for. people but you know you can't argue with. results you know and you find people. that you can trust and that are like hey. I think you should try this so yeah um. exosomes are extracellular vesicles. generated by all. cells uh and they carry nucleic acids. proteins lipids and metabolites they are. mediators of near and long distance. intercellular Communication in health. and disease and affect various aspects. of Cell Biology so I don't know what. that means so keeping your cells really.

healthy and um dude I've noticed from my. voice like once a month I get an IV they. draw blood they do testing on me and. stuff and then they give me about six. vials of those little exosomes man and. dude that thing it's like and what can. you you can't put them in like a vape. pen or something can you you can put. them in a nebulizer actually and you can. inhale them in a nebulizer form that way. for your voice but you can you getting. them getting them this way um has made. my voice stronger man so I just want to.

be able when I'm like 80 years old dude. I don't want to look like I'm 80 man I. want to feel good I want to be able to. run up and down mountains I you know I. want to be able to pole vault you know. just the things that are you know that. normal 80-year-old people can't do yeah. I love that man now that's a good. definition of success you know being. able to spend time with your kids being. able to um still be active and do the. things that you want to do you know I. think that's a it seems like a really. good definition to me um oh tell me. about this so one thing I'm thinking why.

do sometimes bands do covers and. sometimes they don't some of this may. seem like novice level questions to you. but I just am curious about that cuz. some of audience members are like do a. couple more you know but then son are. like oh it's too many yeah yeah I don't. know man I I love other people's music. so much that when we get to like. reinterpret it and do it our way like I. love every show that we play we're going. to play three or four covers. atast It's Kind ofpp the hat to people.

and and also you can read the crowd man. when you start playing you start a good. cover and they know it's coming and. they're just they start going crazy like. I love that but I love trying to do it. in a different way like trying to figure. out some way to like make it special. make it your own and I think that comes. from me just being a music fan it's like. you know I got three hours to keep these. people engaged like what what can I do. mix them with our songs that are going. to make it like the best night possible. you know and so every time we come to a. city we have new covers that we worked. up to do so we don't get the same show.

twice yeah you know it's competitive man. it's like if people are going to buy our. ticket and the next time we come buy our. ticket again you can't be half drunk on. stage you can't be you know slurring and. whatever it's just a waste of it's like. you don't respect those people enough to. give them everything you got so for us. it's like we're like athletes like we we. go after it like we're going to be ready. bro we're going to come back and we're. going to give them every inch you know. even if it's two yeah if that's all you. got man.

hey that's a lot in some. regions you know Fruit by the Foot um do. you have to ask another band before you. play their cover or not no once the. song's released you can cover it record. it you can do whatever you want with it. yeah um but sometimes we'll get hit by. those people they're like I heard this. cover like James Taylor sent me a uh a. text and was like we did uh sweet Baby. James and he sent me uh like a a text. and was like great job on you know Sweet.

Baby James but he talks in license plate. things so he'll he'll text you like nine. letters and if you read them it sounds. like a sentence M so he texts me like. that and it's like it takes me a while. to figure out what he's saying you know. cuz he talks in license plate letters. sometimes oh he does yeah and just like. acronyms or something yeah pretty much. but it's it's uh you know it's it's like. be as you are you b bs you are or you. are n n ml like you're an animal oh wow.

those kind of things and it's kind of a. thing he does and then he told me that. he has a song he has a song called be as. you are and literally the whole sentence. of the chorus is all a license plate. thing wow so they just had did you see. that song that um ch um ho um what's. that guy's name Korean dictator H Chong. oh Kim Jong Kim Jong Un released this. song friendly father it's really him.

about how he is great and friendly. leader. [Music]. yep exactly like Naomi Park talked about. bro everybody's happy and having a good. time if they didn't throw those flowers. up in the air right they were going to. definitely cut all their legs off you. kind of. Wonder show a little bit more of the. video first rather it's. really it seems like I want to say.

this from the video seem like they're. having a great time there's alligators. underneath there all around it just. looking right at the lady let me I'm. going to read some of the lyrics There. are there's one awesome part where he. hugs a couple of children hold on if she. even get to that and it's just so crazy. and I'm making I don't know firsthand. I'm just by what I've heard yeah that's. you know what I mean I don't know so I. don't want to be getting hit up by you. know look I think it's safe to say the. guy's kind of a risky. landlord okay I would say I think that's.

safe to say um go yeah there's a part no. it's yeah there it is right there just a. lot of there's him with a lot of. children and the song is called was she. breastfeeding right there he could have. been the song is called friendly father. he definitely has a bit of a her him he. has definitely has a bit of a her they. Vibe I feel like he goes let's sing. about Kim Jong-un these are the lyrics. our great leader let's boast about Kim. Jong-un our friendly Father warm-hearted. Like Your Mother benevolent like your.

father he is holding his 10 million. children in his arms is he holding 10. million children in his arms or he's. holding 10 million children's arms I. don't know that's a good. question wow he is that's so cooking. could you imagine being in a place where. you just have to it's almost like Disney. World probably but you know where you're. just like yeah but as soon as that. scene's over you got to go back to real. life man you got to go back to what it's. like I want to go I want him to come on. the podcast so bad um he's probably one. of the top uh guests I would love to.

hear that it' be wonderful you know I. would love to see cuz he could be doing. a great job it's like we don't know a. lot of what we see is Intel a lot of. what we see is bad AI this reminds me of. the Naked Gun it's like remember that. Naked Gun was so good remember how good. Naked Gun was. it's funny when you go back and watch. those things and you remember it's not. exactly as you remember it now but still.

they're horrible now a lot of them are. um you talked about Fitness man yeah you. when I look at even just pictures of. there from when you had your um first. band far what was it called far from. Einstein far from Einstein to now you. have a different your Fitness is more. Fitness now yeah and that I mean that's. really just in the last probably five or. six years man just really trying to dial. myself in man I'm trying to you know. after I went through my divorce was like. the darkest craziest like time ever for. me just because did you want to get.

divorced or not it I did sorry if it's. an uncomforable question you don't have. to answer it I I did but it was one of. those things I didn't I didn't want. to it's one of those weird things as a. man where you feel like you can't leave. and you can't stay and you can't because. of pressure and things that you put on. yourself like the kids didn't know what. it means you know you know what I mean. like they don't know the kids don't know. what it means that you're getting a. divorce that whatever it is yeah and so.

hor yeah that that part and so knowing. that it's leaving the wake of those type. of things but knowing whatever but I had. I had a couple friends of mine that had. that had uh taken their own lives and it. made me realize like that ain't ever. going to be me man I got caught in that. space of not knowing what to do kind. well yeah and whatever was eating at. them that they couldn't face it enough. to like get out of the situation. regardless of whatever judgment it may. CA regardless of whatever it is man so. for me that was like a sign that I saw. of like okay I got to get I got to get.

out of this or whatever but the the. place that it put me in and even my own. choices through the last few years of it. like before that happened and things. like that like just darkness and coming. out of it and feeling like you. know I C I can't be like this anymore. and it was weird cuz I'm not one of. those people that goes and like gets my. cards read and [ __ ] like that but I. ended up getting my cards read at some. lady in LA like some older lady who read. my cards and was like showed me a. picture and it was like it was a card.

that had like a nice house and a lawn. and like kids running around it's like. this is what your life looks like from. the outside to to other. people but that's really not what it is. and if you don't get out of this you're. going to get a serious physical illness. and you're going to die so if you don't. and I felt that because I had carried. around all this weight and guilt and. shame and [ __ ] like it felt like someone. was squeezing my heart a hand was around. it like physically felt like it was. clamped down on and I could I could feel.

that and I was just so I came out of. that and just like whatever whatever it. takes to get to the other side of this. river that I'm in right now that's just. beating my ass right now I got to keep. swimming I got to get to the other side. of it and then and then I got to figure. out what's going on with me like what do. I what do I need to do to be there solid. for my kids and to be there for their. mom like to to provide and to be able to. do those things like what can I do to. try to get myself on track where I feel.

like find myself again cuz I think in. the middle of it in the middle of the. codependency around all of it I had lost. who I was around all of the stress that. was around that and all the businesses. and all the other [ __ ] it was literally. like just taking fire from all sides so. coming out of that I God it sounds. exhausting even listen I mean even just. I can't even sounds like a lot it's it's. hard man and it takes a you know it. takes a lot of Grace but you find out. who in your circle like is really there. for you and who really wasn't there but. was around and then but coming out of.

that man I was like I want to I you know. I quit drinking the year before I. actually got divorced just to just to be. clear you know I wanted to be clear and. know exactly what was going on like and. see the thing so that was you know six. and a half years ago and I had to get. clear and I had to see the pattern and. see what was going on and I realized. that it wasn't going to work and like. the only way out of this is through it. so just go through it and do it was it. hard to go through it is it hard to go. through something like that with Grace. like how do you do it in best honor your.

partner like your spouse and stuff in it. cuz it sounds like that was something. you took into consideration yeah you. have to I just had to ask her you know. what do you want what what you know. obviously other than us not you know. getting along like you know what what do. you need and just what she asked for I. gave her and just did my best to try to. do that and it's taken time to heal the. relationship and things and she's an. amazing lady you know you know and I'm. blessed to have her as the the person. that you know that helps raise our kids. and to have that like a solid human to.

be there to to help me to do that and. you know I'm I'm grateful I me I'm. grateful for everything like in in the. rear view everything hard that's. happened is like served us somehow it's. just really hard to see it at the time. but I came out of that phase of my life. like wanting okay what can I do to make. myself be better feel better I did like. three years of plant medicine Journeys I. did you know oh did lots of therapy. I I anything that I could do to try to. just like shed these feelings you know.

shed this like weight that I carried. around and and like reprogram my belief. system reprogram myself so that I could. be present and so I could be I could. find my love for myself and for my. creativity and for these things again so. that's been the last six years wow where. um yeah where did you go try plant. medicine at did you go to other country. I did um I've done it in different. places um I I what's something you.

learned from it that might be a better. question yeah because I've done it a few. times and I've learned some pretty cool. stuff or things that I have been helpful. for me I hired a life coach and I worked. with her for six months like intensively. and you know she Incorporated the plant. medicine into our program so because I. had some experience with those things. before it wasn't just a normal thing we. started off the six months like day two. of doing it with a siloc cybin. journey. and it was the most transformative of.

anything that I've ever done and it was. like a hero's dose like seven. grams like good. stuff and like an hour into that I was. like seated in a chair and I had to. revisit lots of things and I had to. breathe my way through a lot of things. cuz there's like subconsciously there's. things what was what was the most. amazing to me is the intelligence. that exists that the the psilocybin has. finding our trauma cuz it found it bro.

it found it and like subconsciously. working through pulling that stuff out. like there's moments where it sucks and. you got to breathe through it and you. got to take and stay in gratitude like. if you're in a mental space where you're. ready to accept whatever it shows you. like good bad or ugly whatever it is and. just and stay in gratitude even for like. the painful parts of it then you can. stay in gratitude if you're mentally in. a place to do it I think it's the most. transformative thing than I've ever done. yeah I had after that Journey was like 5. hours long and I came out of that with.

more gratitude than I could hold in my. face dude like tears rolling out of my. face and I had visited like my children. being born again and I had seen but I. had that bowling ball that I carried. around in my chest and in my gut after. that 5 hours that whole like 40 lb ball. of [ __ ] was gone really it was gone and. it hasn't been there since then and I. got to do something it was it was the. the most transformative out of. everything that I've done I've I've I've. done Cambo as well the toad have you.

that you've done toad well and that's. like 20 not smoking it but like they. burn you with the vine that comes from. the area and then they put your you mix. your saliva with the Venom and put it on. and it makes as soon as they put that on. bro your hands feel like they're. vibrating like the fastest you ever felt. anything in your life like the minute it. touches it's. like and then for that's only lasts like. 20 minutes so you can like breathe. through the uncom able part of that but. that's like a spiritual and uh you know. physical detox as well yeah boy and then.

I and then I went to Peru and I did a. iasa journey in Peru for 10 days a dieta. god 10 days so every second day you. would take the medicine and you're out. in the jungle and being out there with. you I took one of my boys Jake one of my. best friends you met him the other day. he was on the plane yeah Jake noar I. didn't mean him I got to set him up with. Chelsea with Chelsea L about doing some. cool dude Jake one of the funniest most. amazing dudes that I know he's just one. of my favorite people um but he went.

with me and but you're isolated so they. put you in these tambos so you're you're. by this River like big muddy river and. dude you're in the jungle yeah it. doesn't sound like there's like a. Hampton it's not a Hampton in or. anything no you you take you take a big. boat up to you know a thing your car. goes on a on a ferry across the river. over the thing and then you get in a. boat like a panga a long one where. you're all lined up like 13 of you in a. row with like your bag and you go down. and then you get to this Creek and you. turn it off the Big River and you go way.

up there and then there's like this Hut. with a kitchen set up in it or whatever. and that's where the plants grow that's. where they come from and how many people. are out there on that trip there were 16. people and is is it kind of a pretty. social group or is it a lot of people. that like I need some help I'm out here. no they were pretty social and we were. the only people that had never done it. before because I didn't know this but to. do the dieta which is like the yeah yeah. you got to have the thing or whatever. they were like well how many times have. you you know done it and I was like I've. never done it they're like you chose.

this to come as your first thing but I. was I was open man I was in a place. where I was just like anything that's. going to help me heal help me be better. like let's let's let's face it bro let's. jump in and living in this thing so you. basically have a little Hut it's about. as big as this part of this roof right. here and then there's a hammock and then. there's a bed with a little mosquito net. and a little desk like a one chair and a. desk oh my gosh who's the desk for. anybody or it's just a no it's just. that's your spot so and about every like. 300 yards down the river there's another.

one and so you have your own place and. so for 48 hours you're just sitting in. this thing chilling I mean you can get. out and walk around the jungle or can. you go talk to a neighbor or you stay by. yourself you don't talk to anyone until. you gather uh every other day for the. ceremonies at night o um so you you're. basically and these these people I'll be. like walking by there's dudes in like. full linen shirts and pants or whatever. meditating for like 8 hours a day just. sitting there just like breathing it up. or whatever and I'm like thank God I.

brought a guitar cuz there's no phones. you can't use toothpaste you can't use. deodorant you can't put any chemicals on. your body you can't eat any salt or. sugar you eat just what they give you. they give you a tea to drink um and you. drink this tea it kind of makes you. sleepy which was great CU I would just. nap the day away and then I napped the. first day like super hard and the second. day I was like probably the most well. rested I've been in a long. I couldn't really nap anymore and then I. was like trying to like figure out what. the deal is cuz I brought like some Lara.

bars some stuff to like snack on you. know what I mean and I was like there's. no way I'm going to be starving but the. lady told me on the way there cuz you. take like a three-hour cab ride like in. a bus to get there I bring some. pistachios I bet but you can't eat you. can't eat anything except what they give. you so she was like do not break the. contract like you're entering a contract. that that's why they call it the diet. because you only consume the things that. are from there and like so they give you. a bowl of oatmeal for breakfast nothing. but just water and oats with like a bowl. potato stuck in it and that's your. breakfast oo and they bring your tea and.

then and what's in the potato anything. or it's just empty empty no salt no. sugar you're drinking this tea they make. you they bring you like a little thing. of tea it's really red I would drink all. of that Foods right here to avoid before. iasa and usually before iasa it's called. the dieta um please abstain from the. following foods and activities two weeks. it says pork sexual activities that's a. not a food they snuck it in there um. alcohol marijuana yeah uh all street.

drugs uh spicy foods and ice cream. that's fun ice or ice too yeah wow yeah. so you're basically going and just like. getting rid of everything extra in your. body refined sugar sorry Zach just a red. meat junk food of any kind salt and. pepper so you can't even listen to push. it that song um oils. animal fats carbonated and fermented. drinks dairy products fermented foods.

caffeine and other stimulus oh my god. dude what the hell you have like breast. milk you can have water basically. yeah so you're out there and you brought. your guitar now is your guitar bothering. the neighbors you get any noise you're. not close enough to to hear anyone. you're far enough away and you're you're. basically isolated and the more that you. write stuff down yeah I had a journal. thank God a journal isn't it crazy how a. journal becomes your friend I remember. when I was on I I reminded myself how. how much I even used to like to write. like oh I forgot I used to love to write.

you just don't do it that much anymore. you know and it's like man I just really. loved it yeah um so you were out there. for that long yeah so here's what. happened so the first couple ceremonies. were like positive ones the third. ceremony um it was the hard one like the. death of ego one where you're just like. you know and I didn't know you're. supposed to interact with this being or. this thing that you're experiencing when. you're in there the people didn't tell. me this till after that night cuz I was. like it just beat my ass the whole thing.

but something weird that happened uh my. dad like appeared in one of my Visions I. was having and I went to put my hand on. his shoulder and he vanished and I had. this like weird feeling like something. was wrong so we get through the ceremony. that night it was it was a tough one I. spend the night I get up first thing in. the morning and I'm thinking something's. wrong with my dad so I hike out in the. river which is Muddy and you know I've. been getting a bucket they give you. leaves that smell a little bit like. garlic that you in a bucket so you take.

the bucket and get some water no but you. use them as like soap you scrunch them. up and then you smell like body odor and. garlic at the same time I remember one. night I was doing the ceremony and I had. a tank top on bad idea and I remember. putting my arms over my head and just. smelling that garlic and [ __ ] and my. body odor too cuz you you didn't wear. deodorant you know at all forget about. it I've been at the gym you know awful. awful but in that you know that River so. I went out in that River and I brought. my sa phone with me which I always have.

whenever I'm out in the woods or wild or. whatever in case she gets stranded. somewhere so I go out in the river and I. call my daughter and she picked up and. she said the first thing she said to me. was did you hear about Papa uhuh and my. dad had just been put in the hospital oh. but what's weird is the medicine told me. that that night so I ended up having to. like call my pilots and get them to. relocate so I didn't didn't make it for. the last two ceremonies but I made it. like seven days into the journey but it. was good that I made it to my dad.

because he needed to eat some good stuff. and needed to like get back they had. botched a catheter going in so he had. like blood clots that kept him from. going to the bathroom and like little. mountain hospitals bro you know where. they put like you know hog malls on. stuff when they get hurt you know oh in. Georgia yeah oh yeah it can get really. rural a lot of people to let's just rub. some crackling on that yeah people think. Whispering behind your back just will. cure you of something you know like just. yeah people think gossip helps cancer or. whatever um cuz you'll see people out.

there with signs gossip for cancer and. you're like that ain't going to save. nobody in this small town that's a dang. lie dude bro that but the power of that. kind of stuff of being under that. medicine and the things you hear and. learn and the moment you have it shows. you a connection in the universe that's. almost it's unbelievable I mean that the. Universe knows what's going on too much. dude even to go back to cicas so cicas. right they get born uh the parents meet.

the the sound you hear is the males. right the whatever the like. like you know is a males and they're. trying to get seex I won't say it but. and then they get with the ladies then. they the eggs the lady has them um and. puts them in a tree makes a little slit. in trees puts them in there then after a. certain number of weeks they fall out of. the tree into the ground they turn into.

nymphs or something I think it's called. or lymphs you find that for me um oh. turned into nymphs they fall to the. ground and go into the soil and they. stay in the soil for 13 or 17 years and. then a after that amount of years when. the when spring comes and it hits 64. degrees they bloom and so that's why all. their buddies that eat a lot of dirt. when they're little bro they could be. eating this cicas and they're just. making a village in there somewhere.

where you don't even know what's going. on yeah oh definitely I mean I think you. definitely want to get their you know I. I would probably get their BMS tested. you know to be honest I would test their. bowels um but just unbelievable just but. just to think the things that like. that's what I learned from Mya was wow. there's some connection going on that is. beyond I think it's because we're so. void of it same thing as the 72 de thing. like we're made to be interacting with. the Earth We're made to be digging up. stuff out of the dirt and pulling things.

out of the ground and getting scratched. up and being out in the wild and because. we're so void of that we lose our. connection to Nature and those things. like I resonate a lot with like Native. American theology around um you know. like the nature being what they called. God or whatever like I that's where I. find church for me is out in the wild. because seeing the sunrises and sunsets. and in a hard rain or a storm or in the. ocean like those things for me um and.

we're so void of nature everything. around I mean it's like we have things. that look like nature but it's really. not but we're not interacting with the. Earth and we're not having to adapt to. the environment and figure out things. and because of that void then we're. we're left we're left without that. connection right we don't have a. connection but I believe the Native. Americans had that connection because. that's where they were living and that's. where they got their food they they're I.

have some friends that are native that. do sweat lodges this guy Tom Blue Wolf's. incredible if you ever done a sweat. lodge dude you should go to Georgia do a. sweat lodge with him it's unbelievable. you've done it before unbelievable I've. done it several several times uhuh yes. he he is amazing but the way he sees the. world and talks about it and whatever. he's like if you're living a good life. then the food shows up you know deer. will show up things will happen where. life provides for you if you're living a. good life um wow that's him but that's. his sweat lodge right there that's so.

that's in Talking Rock Georgia that's. not far from where I grew up um but it's. not like there's no hallucinogenics or. anything like that but you're just going. in this Hut and sitting on the floor and. they're bringing in these rocks that. they heat up they only heat them use. them one time and um they bring them in. like they have a huge fire out front and. a guy's you know tending the fire they. have a fire keeper and these huge River. rocks they they heat them up and these. things are like glowing Orange right and. before you go in you sit and you make. your intentions and they they give you.

little pouches little things of tobacco. and little pieces of fabric and you you. write you put your intentions in there. because the natives believe that tobacco. is where your memories are whole like. the great spirit remembers whatever was. put into tobacco so like if someone dies. they take tobacco and they float it out. into the river and remembrance of that. person or whatever but that was the. plant for them that they smoked as as a. ceremonial thing for um for memories um. so you put your intentions in there ah. put your intentions in and you take your.

intentions into the thing with you and. you sit there you're like on a cold. Sandy you know ground and they bring. them they call the Rocks grandfathers so. they take a shovel and they lift this. thing out and it's dark in there and. they bring it in and set it in and he. takes palosanto and like sprinkles it on. there and it looks like a a. constellation like almost inside there. and the smell of it and then he has. sweet grass he brushes it with that and. smells it and so you you you say welcome. grandfather when they bring the stone in. it's like your ancestors basically.

coming in and so they get a pile of. grandfather's and then they then he. closes the thing and he's got a drum and. he starts chanting and then he'll take. water and pour it on there it's just. like being in a sauna yeah so you're in. there and it gets it gets hot and love. those and then he opens it again and. then he brings in more grandfathers so. by The End by like round four or five. bro there's a lot of grandfathers in. there dude and it's like it's it's so. hot that some people have to like lay. down close to the. groundw. yeah like but if if you if you sit there. and through the the.

ceremony as it gets hotter and hotter. and hotter you'll start seeing things. you'll start seeing visions and seeing. shapes and seeing things like that and. you you purge you're just sweating man. sweating everything out but he's leading. you you know that was the thing I would. say about plant medicine like if you. have somebody that's intentionally. guiding you taking you on the journey. and they know what they're doing you're. going to have an amazing experience yeah. so it's not just you let's let's go see. Fish and eat a sack full of mushrooms. like there's nothing I mean that's what. nothing wrong with that if people want. to do it but it's a different intention.

right 100% I've had two experiences I've. had one where a guy was a good Shaman. and let us I've had another one where a. guy played like Edge Sheeran for 3 hours. you know and it was like still fun. little different you know um I've had. one where they made like a real altar in. the Middle with all these different. deities and candles and everything I've. had I've been to one where they just lit. one candle in the middle of this dark. room and at first you're like that's. never going to light this room but by.

like the second day you're like the it's. like all the light you need like you. slowly adapt to how much light you have. and you're just like oh that's. everything we have is right there you. know um but yeah so definitely the. Ambiance and if you have a shaman like. leading you it's uh can be and the sound. life coach is like managing the sound. and playing music and playing different. like drums or things that help to do. that so if if there's intention behind. it and you're doing it for healing but I.

would say out of the things that I have. done the guided psilocybin Journey for. me was unbelievable dude I can't I can't. explain how much that helped me to let. go of things but they have an. intelligence they're going to go in and. find I waska felt a little more like. chaotic almost like I'm trying to figure. out what it's trying to and it showed me. some things that were very like it. showed me that at one point I was like. hugging myself and I was like and I. didn't realize that I'm separate from my.

mind right my mind and my spirit is a. separate thing than my body right our. body is our own company but I never. thought about it that way CU I'm like. I'm by myself right but then I never. really relied on just being alone is. okay because you have yourself you have. your body you can actually you know like. I hugged myself and I was like it felt. like I was holding another person and I. was like wait a minute I am my own. person. like I know that sounds weird but it's. but it's it's I know what you're talking. about it's like realizing that you have. yourself yes because you're so I'm so.

cereal always thinking about stuff I. don't think like my body's something. different than that it's just kind of. waiting on me to tell it what to do you. know no it's powerful man that's a. really I'm really glad you said that. it's just such an important thing to. yeah to real yeah cuz sometimes I'm. think like I got to do this I got to do. that I need somebody else I need some. help I forget that I I am I can be there. for myself I have myself yes you know. and to have a really strong moment like. that is pretty powerful but that's.

interesting that it's a little more. chaotic that mushrooms would be a better. that that a that a show me everything. hard every weird betrayal every. beautiful thing every it started with. the hard things and you just got to be. if you're ready like if you're open and. you're ready I think it can be the most. transformative thing that you've ever. done because we sock away [ __ ] all the. time we just stuff stuff under the rug. man you know the kid that stole the Baby. Ruth from you you know or pushed you off. your bike you know what I mean you don't. even think about that until you get put. back on you.

know I don't know. it's that to me was the most. transformative of everything that I did. so if somebody was going to do it if for. whatever it matters for what I think I. think that's the that's the one to start. with and have someone that's really. great and make sure they know where. they're getting it from and what's. happening and having a guide to do it. because since I've been better for. myself myself and for my family and for. everyone since I did it and so I don't I. don't care what other people really. think about the the idea of doing it as.

much as I do a result if somebody's. doing something and you get a good. result from it and it helps I'm in I'm. in yeah Amen to that man um what's your. fitness regimen like you got a good. regimen because you now you you see guys. it's like do 40 like uh walrus tusks or. whatever do seven like salami Bridges or. whatever do two Ex-Wives I saw somebody. just wrote that some guy wrote that on. the board it's like that's just personal. information there dude you're just. writing stuff in there you know do 50 um.

you know it was like do 50 like uh ball. um you know be back ball Warriors or. whatever it's like they're always the. great like what are we [ __ ] doing man. I like is anybody in shape is everybody. am I a Harlem Globe trer now like what. are we. now my trainer that I've got now. is all. about taking care of your joint Mobility. stretching um making all the little.

muscles strong so that you have your. stability so you don't get hurt doing. other things so I'd say 80% of my. workouts is stretching foam rolling. posture balls um lacrosse balls TRX. bands like stretching with them not even. like working out on them really um and. he started with that for me I'm only. like close to four months in with him. and his wife's is a gold medal Olympic. swimmer and she's a nutritionist so she.

tells me what to eat he tells me what to. do and he sends me a sushi menu but he. was with the NFL for 18 years uh and I'm. actually working on a project um I'm. going to do I did a cookbook a long time. ago that was just about soul food. because I love to cook and stuff like. that but I'm working with them on. creating a new book that's basically on. just how to be well how to how to to. feel good how to be able to move good. how to do those things so uh his name is. Luke Richardson and he was NFL strength. coach for 18 years like was with the.

Broncos when they went to um you know. won a Super Bowl with pton Manning he. was the one in charge of their strength. and flexibility and all the things. through these times but he's gotten to. work with the best Luke is his name Luke. the best physical therapist in the NFL. for 20 years he's worked with him so he. knows what to do yeah but it's like when. you finally it's just like the same. thing with my life coach like she took. me on the guided cocy Journey. transformational same thing with him. he's taking me on what he learned. through all of that to help me to get my.

body feeling good and where you know I'm. looking the way that I want to look and. I'm getting myself healthy and I in my. range of motion because gravity will. whip our ass as we get old people diets. man people make themselves sick with. diets I mean type two diabetes is. self-inflicted it's like it it's. everywhere God I hope it's not around. here people people I feel bad for people. that don't understand so we're just. trying to make like a cliffnotes version. for people of just like here's a step. toward like getting started and here's.

like you try to make it as simple as we. can but then if you go on our app like. then you'll be able to figure out like. here's the rabbit hole of what it is and. why and all these things you really want. that deeper dive with information you. guys are going to have a cookbook and an. app that's the goal yeah we just started. working on it but working with them like. the last three months dude the first. month I lost 30 lbs no 30 lb God and. then my joints feel good good my my back. feels good you seem so yeah you you're. you're you seem super present and a lot.

of that comes from diet too man I mean. even if you didn't do all the stuff I'm. doing with Luke to work out just getting. your diet under like the amount of. inflammation you carry just eating box. food and fast food and junk and stuff. yeah but it's not that hard you just. have to follow it and you got to be. willing to just like do the work man. just just. like don't eat the [ __ ] you're not. supposed to eat and do it and then I. carry like a snack bag I got a bag here. [ __ ] that I can't eat if in case I can't. get something that I'm supposed to eat. you know so but it's it's all a. beginning like where do you begin like. if you want to feel better where do you.

begin to start with so that's what I. want to do in the first like book app. thing is like it's a good call yeah. where do you begin especially as we age. and we trying to figure out you know. looking at that second half of our lives. and feel you know how do we want to feel. how do we want to approach it you know. yeah what do we still want to be able to. do because if we prepare ourselves now. we don't know what the future will allow. for us if we show up with The best. scenario the best uh the best of. ourselves to the future we don't know if. it meet you halfway then then who knows.

you know the possibilities there you. know are squared practically so um if. you're in pain and you're hung over and. you're whatever it is man the way you. see life is different I mean you know. after being sober it's like the way that. you see the world and you see yourself. and all that changes man it it just. changes and I umum well I have to look. at myself yeah you have to live with. yourself you got to you can't get away. from yourself you got to be there you. know I know dude God I wish I could just. put myself on a dang shelf for a half.

hour I would [ __ ] just have a party. if I could yeah um you said you're going. to play the sphere man I gotta go to. that dude man still one of my favorite. shows was um you were doing a uh I think. it was a private event I guess or was it. was at Jimmy John summer camp um. P at jackpine summer camp at jackpine. lodge over there and man that was and. just seeing your whole band show up Clay. no who's uh clay clay yeah just you.

guys' whole band and the energy man it. was like dude it was it was exceptional. it was a fun time that's what I felt. like I had and I I felt kind of bad cuz. the night before I heard that like Vince. Neil and Kid Rock had gotten in a fight. or something K Rock through a shoe at. Travis Trad oh okay I don't remember. what happened but I was like damn I wa I. missed that. [ __ ] which hold on I will say was. awesome. right but not as good as you guys's uh.

Ensemble performance dude yeah I think. yeah Kid Rock was a little more kid than. Rock I think and he [ __ ] just. couldn't handle and he tossed that uh. yeah he just he hummed a loafer at him. you know and I see people do it all the. time you just can't handle anything they. just take a loafer off and just yeah. those weion will hurt people too man. they got that hard leather sole on. them Penny yeah those penny loafers. though it's like got a edge on them on.

the Lea thing this thing was a sper it. was a sper I think it could have been a. um land Bago yeah it was something it. pretty nice I thought but I you remember. when a kid like when I learned how to. tie the little like honeycomb thing on. the end of my like on my seago bro did. you ever wear those no pull them up. please seos brother. so you learn how to tie the knot and it. looks like a little honeycomb so you. didn't have to tie your laces you just. have these two like little Honeycombs on. either side but I remember feeling very. accomplished as a kid when I could tie.

that that knot I could probably still do. it if I had to I believe you could do it. yeah. um oh wait I think I do know what you. were talking about dude oh first of all. Let me show pull up the green blue brown. one down there if somebody had that on. dude they were Rich looks like my. buddy's yeah my buddy's uh beach house. yeah like back in 1984 or some [ __ ] that. dude was rich bro if he had them bro. look at the Salmon ones bro salmon and.

gray what is that yeah that dude ain't. yeah he ain't eating at our house dude. that guy's we we're eating at his house. bro dude remember when you got a rich. friend you went over to their house dude. and their mom was like home or whatever. and [ __ ] making something he like. yeah it wasn't ramen noodles yeah what. the [ __ ] is going on here here yeah we. got to get in we got to get some help in. our area um the sphere man that's crazy. have you been to a show with the sphere. yet yes I've been to just saw fish there.

just saw you two on opening night saw. the movie there been going oh that's. right whenever I talked to you you had. just taken your children to see uh they. had or yeah they uh yeah you guys had. seen it was a nature film or something. yeah it's the movie that they made for. the fear fear to kind of show off what. it is and what it does a lot of they. traveled the whole world with that 16k. camera setup been filmed all over the. world um amazing though but that's the. greatest C that's ever been created and. so far and it's and to get to be one of.

the first bands that goes in there to do. it so this is our Masterpiece man this. is this is our chance to really show. what we can do as a band and to get to. um look at that dude Zach that's crazy. bro you guys are going to be in there. what if God comes back and picks it up. and takes it home dude then you win. that's great I'll Fly Away bro. well look dude we'll miss you and. congrats those are the things I would. say to you um that fish show was. unbelievable in there it was cool and.

what they did conceptually is cool. because they played four hour shows four. of them and they didn't play the same. song twice or they didn't use the same. content. twice no way any of that cont the same. but it's different so they use it kind. of as a big backdrop for what they were. doing and for their shows and their fans. loved it and did it um I got some. glimpses of what was fully possible with. the building when you two was there. because they play the same show pretty. much every night because you pay to. create all this content and make it this. like thing where they put you into. something um but I've got a team put.

together for this thing man and it's. going to be it's going to be the best. the biggest spectacle we've ever done. and I'm very excited because this puts. this puts us in. another league and the goal is for our. band to just keep going man to be like. the Rolling Stones or like the Grateful. Dead Or to be yeah Jimmy Buffett like. being that Legacy a thing so this is. really our first thing that I'm putting. like a year plus of working and making.

one show wow it's only to be one show no. but it'll be that show whenever people. come you know yeah cuz then if you go. see it then does it did it change your. perspective on what you can even do with. the background and everything that's why. I'll see every show everyone that's. playing there between now and us I will. be there to see it and see what they're. doing what's working what's you know. could be better maybe from my. perspective and um you know know it's. but there's never been a venue created. like that when you're watching the. sunrise in there and they have a wind. generator you feel the wind on your face. and you're watching the sun come up I.

mean you feel like you're outside and. you feel like you're in a you can't tell. it's not real and that's the first thing. that's been created on that scale that's. like that oh my God we have to do that. in like homeless shelters or whatever or. like make it like the nice yeah make a. whole refrigerator box bro like 400 feet. tall you're in the biggest refrigerator. box that's ever been made dude. yeah and like fresh half sandwiches. oh God just smell that chicken Caesar.

salad yeah I bet some secondhand Caesar. would be pretty you know I wonder how. much soft lettuce they have to eat to. stay on bro and to stay Street regular. as they call it oh you know what I'm. saying I heard if you're homeless if it. rains then it makes you have to go to. the like do number two or whatever I. don't know why that is but I think it's. you just your body just really becomes. like street legal or whatever but I. don't know if you marinate in your own.

solution long enough if that like. somehow makes you more durable oh that's. a great idea I think and that is. something we got to explore as a. community okay yeah we're not yeah dude. well look I'll be honest I urinate on my. feet in the shower sometimes because I. think it helps them out somebody told me. that once yeah it's like a little. ammonia Splash like little Windex in. your toes yeah yeah dude it's like it's. like if that guy came over to my car on. the corner of a street and was like hey.

let me piss on your. feet I might be like all right dude. whatever this guy's got in him is. probably been through a lot G to help me. out you know that uh clear coat yeah. yeah so my homie Neil So Neil kamuro is. a good friend of mine he's a knife maker. maker on Big Island but he didn't make. this in Hawaii no no that that's made in. our in our shop okay um but he's he's a. handmaker I've learned a lot about. forging from him he's one of my favorite.

knife makers on the planet dude just. awesome dude Neil what what's his name. Neil Kamura yeah he's he's half he's. half Japanese half Hawaiian and local. but he's he's incredible but he before. he started making knives he he owned a. um a pumping business like pumping out. grease traps pumping out you know [ __ ]. like that so I think his immune system. dude I'm pretty sure he could eat a turd. and be okay because he he was his. business was crawling in these grease. traps of like old food and stuff pumping.

them out or whatever like whatever you. subject yourself to I figure like our. physiology like somehow adapts to it and. figures out how to like deal with it but. oh yeah this guy definitely and there's. a lot of Delicacies over in that area of. the world anyway dude he's wow he's one. of my favorite knife makers and I he's. taught me how to forge something so now. when I get done forging a knife it looks. like a knife coming off the amble and I. don't have to just grind it into the. shape of a knife but that's one of my.

boys man dude that's cool I I would like. to meet that gu my Hawaii family he's a. knife maker he makes the best yeah. there's like a three-year waiting list. to get his knives really yeah wow Neil. Kamura Kamura um unbelievable Chef too. man him and uh Flora that's Flora right. there that's that's his uh baby mama and. she's a Brazilian Chef she's made some. of the best stuff I've ever eaten in my. life dude amazing amazing people um but. yeah so you got this here do you guys.

know when this feere will be is it part. of a new tour or anything or is how is. that work so 2025 um that's what we're. doing for touring so 2025 will be this. sphere 202 oh residency yeah wow let's. go congratulations man yeah so I'm I'm. so excited and I'm just I just wanted I. want to make something that people would. not if people don't know me know like. full like creatively what I'm capable of. but I've never had a place where I can. fully utilize all that and pull favors.

from all of our incredible people that. we know and everything and just like. pull something together to make. something where it's like you go and see. this thing and you leave there and you. go what just happened dang so that's. that's that's my baby that's my dream um. and it's it's happening so now it's like. you just we got to grind all the details. like every single thing getting it right. going to film a 40 piece or Orchestra um. bringing them in recording all the parts. with them get getting that made you know. and composed by the right person to help. to make sure that's amazing film all of.

that film the choir film the things you. know be able to make it like Vegas too. where you know you can have some. acrobats and dancers and things like. that at moments but the the concept and. you know part of what makes something. great like in in movie or film or score. or something like that is when something. really creates a lot of tension when. something makes you kind of feel like. uncom comfortable like it's like and. then when that releases and it goes into. like something that's really beautiful. so the ju deposition of everything so. that's the goal it's not just going to.

be like this American celebration thing. or whatever it's going to be making. people uncomfortable and then releasing. that and having the series of this. roller coaster but so really a journey. over so yeah I mean yeah cuz some people. it would seem like you just put a dang. eagle flying around for you know for 2. and 1 half hours if you wanted to right. if you wanted to in a cobbler you know. an eagle making a cob. yeah but peach cobbler yeah and thank. God for it too I had in Alabama for the. first time couldn't believe it existed. right called my mom from a pay phone.

called her a I won't say it b t c for. not telling me it existed right um I. love peach cobbler that's how much I. love it I I just I hate that they kept. it from me for so. long um but um yeah cuz cuz you could. just do it cuz you could just do it like. that if you wanted to you know um but. yeah I love the fact that you you're a. really creative guy dude it's inspiring. sometimes I forget I get caught in.

business sometimes and forget about the. creativity yeah I'm I'm blessed man I'm. blessed I'm just like a student of the. world man I learned stuff by talking. with you last time we hung out and got. to sit and talk about and you're telling. me about things that you're doing and. what you're doing like I think it's the. key is like just staying curious man and. learning from anyone that you can like. whatever never feeling like you know. everything because it's not about that. it's about learning from each other. learning from each other's mistakes you. know what I mean like I don't I don't. want to do math for 10 days straight and.

stay up like for a couple months like. you did that time I don't want to do. that I want to you know I want to sleep. bro you know what I mean yeah yeah I. want you to get a good night's rest. buddy um you have your family you have. your. music um you have your creativity coming. through um you have knife making um I. know you guys have a wine company yeah. and what about um what else keeps you.

busy like what is there a part uh what. else is something that you're really. passionate about well one of the things. you know I'm I wouldn't say I'm a. religious person I started off that way. and everything but I'm definitely a. spiritual person and I think I think I. was given my music for a greater purpose. other than myself I think I was giv my. music as a as a gift to be able to pull. people together to do things and so the. the the greatest thing. that I've done or been a part of helping. to come together is Camp Southern ground.

the place that we built and it's a it's. kind of like a university pull up a. picture of it um thank you for telling. him to do that too I always have to be. the one to tell the guy so when you tell. people it's a camp it's not what You'. would expect right so if you if you go. got a 4.8 on Google reviews if you go to. images is um that's great I've never. even seen show so everything every so. first of all what I feel like I as like. the founder of this place what I feel.

like I could do is to build a place and. build the structures and everything. where it's going to be there for like. hundreds of years so like the buildings. are wrapped in a zinc envelope so that. they don't naturally degrade it's. they're going to be there that's the. lodge the third picture there um that's. and. so I spent four years working with a. firm to create and Design everything and. then now we're about 50% of the way. through building the place um and it's. really just a really super sturdy.

amazing place to host things and do. things so one of the things we do we. have nine weeks of summer camp and it's. an integration Camp so kids kids that. are on the Spectrum are in with with. yeah just like the one I went to so. borrowing from that dude and so nine. weeks of that and then we do 34 weeks of. Veteran programs through the year we. have we just started our veteran family. camps which is six weeks of putting a. veteran with their family as a unit and. helping them to see each other as a unit. so when they get fracture sacrificing.

everything that they've learned how to. do and like been specialized in one. thing and then they're just like oh I. don't need you anymore and then they got. to go back to a normal you know sitting. in a chair somewhere in a you know and. whatever it's like figuring out how to. help them transition back home from that. and having programs that help them to. help with PTSD to help with things we. run uh the warrior path program which is. uh Bernie marcus' thing uh one of the. founders of Home Depot so we were like. the the first or second campus that was. chosen to do this but my my um but.

you've built all these buildings and. stuff here yeah so it's it's more like a. university like C style campus but what. we do there is we help people to learn. how to treat each other how to love each. other things that matter help them to. dream help them to believe that they. have potential to do things help them to. see the diversity that's around so they. take that out into the world yeah we. help our our veterans come back and help. them to find purpose we help we have a a. Warrior song program where a lot of them.

don't want to talk to civilians about. their story but they'll write a song. about it so we put amazing songwriters. in with the veterans and they learn how. to tell their story through a song and. then that's something they're willing to. share it kind of helps them to open up. and do things so 34 weeks of Veteran. programs nine weeks of children's. programs we host things there like. Mercedes rents out our uh our Treehouse. that thing that looks like a space crab. right there mhm that's the Treehouse and. it's got a um it's it's open in the. middle it's got a table a circle table. that comes down out of the ceiling oh my. God comes down and so we put Executives.

that's where we do all of our um Vision. development so like for the summer camp. we' bring in all the nutritionists the. best nutritionists around that we that. we can find in the nation or around the. world we bring like eight of the best. nutritionists in we sit around this. round table we talk and dream about what. we need to feed the kids while they're. there so it makes them feel good but. it's accessible so they'll eat it and. things like that and we got a 16 acre. organic farm we grow the food there the. kids learn how to pull stuff up out of. the ground how to plant things that kind. of stuff radishes I remember yep we.

would do them um that's awesome Zach. dude dude congratulations man but it's. not really there's nothing about this. place it's about me this is what I feel. like I owe this and this is like a God. thing for me where I felt like I was. given the music to help to create. something bigger than myself but it's. the I I was kind of here f in orders man. you like you you follow orders and if. you if you make your life about. something bigger than you it's not just. about all the [ __ ] you can have and. being on a [ __ ] Mountain somewhere. with all your [ __ ] like then that's.

really where real meaningful like a. meaningful life comes from is helping. other people and doing it so we have an. incredible campus at Camp Southern. ground to do that wow do you go there. each year yeah I spent a week I liveed. there as a counselor this last summer so. I was I was sleeping in the in the bunks. and there just like I used to do and. being there and had kids that um you. know it's a little rough for some of the. kids that are on the Spectrum the first. day like trying to get through to them. and help them feel comfortable and doing.

that and I have just just the leadership. we have there and the people we have. coming in it's it's amazing but we can. help other people use their program. there too like if you wanted to do a. retreat there and bring people and have. people come down do team building. leadership we feed you good we put you. up and take care of you and and our. staff helps you to have whatever. experience you want to have there wow so. it's kind of like uh it's where people. can rent out the like the the play or. organize their own function there. exactly and we help to do that and pull. it off with you know without a hitch. taking care people dude that is cool.

yeah I love the idea of thinking about. something that's greater than yourself. you know sometimes I get stuck too much. in the minutia of my own life and I know. it's important because it is my own life. to me yeah yeah but um but to get so. stuck to it sometimes is. uh you know I think it's natural I'm not. looking down on myself but to try and. have more of this mindset I've had more. of this mindset at times yeah sometimes. it's I guess it feels a little tougher. than others I think you you mentioned we.

were talking earlier about having um a. way that you thought about contributing. you you mentioned to me like um kind of. a halfway house or something like that. yeah we want to get try to get a halfway. house going and we're working on we're. starting like there's a group uh a men's. group that we started um that is every. week has a meeting right now it's just a. zoom meeting you know but just the roots. of it you know yeah trying to look at. that and figure that out um well I think. aligning that mission with whatever.

you're doing you know whether it's your. shows or whatever it is like there's. something like tangible to like talk. about this is what we're doing this is. our mission this what you know zering in. on what that is and then aligning that. with what you're doing and then that. naturally like honestly stepping off. into the dark on stuff like that like. the the road Rises right up to your feet. underneath you when you start doing it. and I've seen the craziest like not M I. will say Miracle but the craziest things. happen that aren't a coincidence when. you start aligning yourself with that.

with what you feel like you can. contribute to and make a difference in. then those things start it starts. manifesting like those things start. happening and so just talking about it. like you were telling me about it and. like taking action on it and aligning. with what you're already doing and then. having that purpose like everything. starts to fall and literally stuff falls. out of the sky on you and you're just. like damn like that's another. affirmation that just keep going with it. like as we're talking about it right now. it's one of those affirmations it's like. but um but getting that place like and. we still got to raise the money for the.

second half of building it all you know. what I mean to like finish the place out. we have all the basics of what we need. but the the biggest building in the. whole place is what we're raising for. right now and so finding people that. realize and it we're we're past the. impossible point cuz used to be I was. like riding around a field like this is. where this building's going to be you. know what I mean so now it's there and. you can see quality and they can see the. impact of what we're doing so trying to. find the people that that have something. to give that want to contribute in some. way of doing it right to say hey look I. love I see what you've done halfway here.

let me help you know because I have the. financial means let me help you. contribute towards the other half ex and. it's not about me I don't care it's. nothing about that's about me it's about. the difference that we can make they're. doing it and if some people are looking. for something to align themselves with. that can make a real impact like we have. one of those things and there's other. things out there but finding something. that you're passionate about that you. want to give back there's that there's. nothing that makes you happier than like. I knew there'd be a day when I could. stand out it's pretty close to my house. where I could stand outside and hear.

kids like singing and laughing through. the woods and like to get to hear that. now and to feel it or whatever it's just. like that's music it lets me know that. I'm on the path of where I should be. doing and that my life has purpose like. it's not just raising my kids and trying. to move people with music but it's like. I'm using that as a tool to make a. difference yeah amen dude. gosh man I want to come work at that. summer camp I feel like sometimes you. should do I have to have a. um jurist diction or whatever like a.

um it's a they're going to make sure. you're not on some government lists and. things like that for sure yeah I'm cool. with that I'm thinking do I yeah uh I. gotta think about what it's called. before I ask about it um dude Zack Brown. I'm just I'm excited to get to spend. time with you man I know that we've. gotten a talk before and and uh I'm a. big fan dude and just thank you for all. the wonderful music you continue to make. um and yeah just nice to have some. inspirational thoughts and thinking.

about things that are bigger than myself. you know um yeah finding that purpose. because yeah I there's just this you're. like then what am I doing it's funny I. was laying in bed the other night and I. was like what am I doing this for and I. know that sounds crazy maybe I'm not. trying to sound like wo is me or. anything yeah yeah and maybe some's the. first time a quest question comes into. your head from God or from like the. light of the world it comes in. confusingly you know yeah instead of. maybe in you know maybe I'll lay down.

tonight and like what am I doing this. for you know but. um Interesting Man grateful to have. spent time with you today dude you too. brother you bring a lot of joy to people. man I know so many people that that you. are just a light for and people just. just making people laugh and making them. feel good to just being yourself is. we're all huge fans of yours and what. you do man it stoked to to get to talk. to you and get to visit and and hang out. more so thank you thank you Zach Brown. um dude I was St one of my favorite.

moments and I might just add this in. somewhere but you and me were in a car. with Kid Rock remember and the radio was. up and he goes hey can you guys turn the. volume down so we can talk about. me and you know what it really you were. crammed in a car there was like like a. clown car there was like eight of us in. the back of his Suburban he's like hey. can you turn the radio down so we can. talk about me it was hilarious dude and. you had the lashes so perfect man one of.

a kind uh and so are you Zack Brown. thank you so much for my nice gift man. and um we look forward to coming to see. you at the sphere yes sir thank you now. I'm just floating the. and like these leaves I must be. Cornerstone. oh but when I reach that ground I'll. share this piece of mind I found I can. feel it in myones.

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