Vince Vaughn | This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von #648

Austin, Texas. Uh I'll be doing a show. there April 1st that's coming up soon at. ACL live at the Moody Theater and I'm. just uh prepping my material for uh my. Netflix taping and so be grateful to be. down there. Uh it'll be one of the last. times to see the Return of the Rat tour. Uh tickets are on sale now at the.com. Um if you can make it, thank you for. your support. Today's guest is an actor. He's known.

for just being that figure, that humor. man. Wedding Crashers, Swingers, Dodgeball, Rudy, and the list goes on. His new movie, Mike and Nick and Nick and Alice, is on. Hulu this Friday, March 27th. I had a. great time with today's guest, Mr. Vince. Vaughn. Shine. on me. and I will find a song. I'll be singing.

>> So, do you have a place there? >> Yeah. >> Cool. >> I've actually been thinking about moving. recently. >> That's cool. >> I know. I'm kind of excited. I'm kind of. scared. >> I'm always scared. >> You are. >> when you Well, when you make a new. purchase. >> Yeah. I don't like to spend any money on. anything. I just like to kind of keep it. somewhere also think. >> until the devil takes it or whatever. >> Yeah. Right. And you also feel sometimes. I think like uh.

>> this is you know you kind of know what. you have and how that works and now how. does this change your spending and what. you're doing because you always feel. like well gosh what happens if it if it. goes away you know. >> Yeah. One of my friends said something. to me the other day about buying a. house. He goes well you could invest it. in the stock market or you could invest. it in a home. He's like, "You can't live. in the stock market, >> right?". >> And that was kind of interesting to me. because I was like, "Oh, yeah. Well, at. least if you put your money into a home, then you if it's going up, then you're. living in it while you have it.". >> That's right. I mean, there's ways to.

look at it cuz you I kind of looked at. it because I was I never was educated. any of it. So, as I made money, I. started to figure it out more. But I I. started to look at stuff like what makes. me money every month and then what costs. you money every month. And so, a house. is kind of both because you have your. property taxes. >> Yeah. >> Especially here. and you also have your. mortgage if you do and the stuff that. goes with it, but it can go up in value. as well. So, I started buying rental. properties that I could rent out for. that reason because it was tangible and. I could make money every month off it. The market, I never studied it,

>> but I guess if you do the S&P, I mean, I. never spent my energy on that. But a. house, I'm like, "This neighborhood's. nice. I think it's going up. Okay, I'll. buy something here.". >> Like trusting your instincts about that. >> Yeah. Cuz you're more exposed to it. >> Yeah. That's true. You're driving. through it or something. You're seeing. things. >> Yeah. Like the old thing was like this. neighborhood's not this these. neighborhoods are good now this one's. not. Okay, I'll buy there. >> Do you know what I mean? >> Oh yeah. >> Yeah. Some. >> you got to balance it with what you. enjoy in your life. You want to be happy. where you're at. >> Yeah. You want to get some like I don't. know. I always like I never really want.

to invest in myself. I always I'm just. like a saver. I remember I would save my. money. I would bury my money in the. yard. I was that [laughter] kind of it. I would go to people's homes and hide. >> You're a pirate. I love that. You got a treasure map and. >> Oh, dude. I'm [laughter] not even. joking. They had these like crown royal. bags when I was a kid and it was like. the purple one with a gold like I. remember those and I would put my money. in there and I would hide it in. different places. I would hide it at at. friends who had better security in their. homes. I would. >> they know. >> No, they had no idea. I would hide it. there. Sight, >> dude. I would we would steal people's.

silverware. We went to their house. Like. we were doing like this little things. we'd seen on like Home Alone. I think. >> Mrs. Jones got napkin and. [laughter]. >> You find out it's not silver later. >> Oh, for sure. going to the pawn shop and. arguing with somebody. [laughter]. >> It's sterling silver. >> Did you ever go try to dig it up and. couldn't find it? >> Oh, no. >> That's good. >> I always knew exactly where where it. was, you know. I would check on it, that. kind of stuff. I was a big barrier, like. burying stuff to make sure that it was. okay. My my grandparents had a basement. growing up and so I think that kind of. added some mystery. Basements always.

added mystery. >> big time and the scary. >> Yeah. Did you have a basement or no? >> It did. One time I I went to everyone. left the house. I was home by myself. If. I thought I'm going to watch a. horror movie in the basement cuz that. was double scary. And I turned off all. the lights in the house cuz I really. wanted the experience. I wasn't good at. watching horror. I would get pressured. and I do it and I play it cool. But then. I was terrified. I didn't like I. didn't like my imagination was too. strong. And I remember I turned this. thing on and I was watching. It was the. Evil Dead. Do you ever see the Evil. Dead? >> And I was like that's it. I got.

to a point where I had enough. And so I. got up to run to get the lights, but I. hit a pole. >> and I went down and then your mind's. really playing tricks like this is it, it's coming in. But I kind of crawled, >> got my lights on, turned off the movie, I turned on every light in the house. But yeah, basements are well, they're a. magical place cuz they can be a place of. discovery, too, >> right? I mean, good and bad happens in a. basement. >> Oh, yeah. Well, I think they had like. those seller doors when you realize that. like [laughter] cuz I never put it. together. for the first like few times I. was at my grandparents. It was just a. basement and then it was these outside.

weird doors that and then like. >> you mean like the seller like you had. that little light come in and you knew. you were underground like the outside. had a little hole area. >> Well, they had you know what I mean? >> Like these like did y'all have some of. those? >> Yeah. Hell yes. >> Yeah. So those the fact that those doors. would open up and go down in in that. little staircase. >> Yeah. My grandparents had a garden. They. lived they grew up in Illinois and so. they had a garden. >> um outside of Poria. Just a small town. out there. >> Yeah. So, >> yeah, from the area. >> Um, you're from the area? >> Well, I grew up, my family originally.

was, you know, Virginia, my dad's side, and then Kentucky, but ended up in Ohio, and then my dad was a salesman, so we. ended up in Illinois. Yeah. >> Oh, nice. What did he sell? >> Toys? >> No. >> Super cool. >> Yeah. >> So, you just had toys around the house a. lot. >> Yeah, he had a lot of toys. He gave me. like samples and stuff, so they. >> samples were the best. Samples were. dope, bro. >> If your parent was telling. >> you were kind of ahead, right? >> Yeah. Well, I mean, you had a bunch of. something. [laughter]. I mean, I don't, you know, it was weird. Like, I had one friend, his dad's sold. Oakley sunglasses, so he would.

have like three pairs of Oakley's on, like crazy. >> Um, yeah. What kind of toys did y'all. have just kind of milling around? >> He became a manufacturers's rep. He did. well. He he was the first to go to. college in his family. Um, and, uh, his. dad had like a 100 acre farm and would. work in the in on a in a in a steel. mill. But my dad was the first to go to. college. So, they kind of moved us to. better schools. That was their thing. We. kept moving to get to better schools, but we weren't prepared for that because. we didn't I didn't know what a tutor. was. Like no one had a tutor. So we. moved to area that was more academic and.

exposed to stuff which was good. But uh. he he sold like uh uh I love that I. don't think he sold this. He might have, but I love that evil conval stunt cycle. when I was a kid. But he sold like uh. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. >> and like uh. >> Oh. >> yeah, that was fun as And then he. had like uh God, he had like these. little like uh like those kind of. bathtubs. I guess it was in the toy. section, but not bathtubs, swimming. pool. But it was just a big plastic. circle. >> Remember those outdoor?

>> Yeah. Were they hard ones or the soft. ones? >> No, they were just like these the rigid. ones. >> Yeah, but they would just be in the. backyard in the summer cuz no one had a. pool. >> Um and then he sold Galube toys, whatever they sold. Yeah. >> Pull up that stunt cycle for me, can. you? >> Evil conval. Did you ever have that? I. don't think so, dude. >> That was so cool. You'd pull the thing. and then it would take off. >> Oh, that thing. [clears throat]. >> That thing was dope, >> dude. Yeah, >> he was jumping and never making it. [clears throat]. >> Yeah, >> but you were like you would watch and.

Why world sports and they say he's going. to jump Snake Canyon and then he would. crash and he couldn't move. >> Well, I read somewhere that. >> the Daredevil back then Daredevils were. popular. >> Oh, they had Yeah. Well, that was a. crazy thing. Yeah. Look at this. There. you go. There's a commercial for it. Look at that. >> Yeah. So dope. >> And it never did the it did on the. commercial, dude. No, bro. >> It never Nothing ever. >> Nothing ever did. >> Remember when they were first coming out. with that flied? It never did. It. was You know what I mean? And I wasn't. good enough to I was never I always. needed an uncle or someone to put it. together. I wasn't good at putting stuff. together. Were you?

>> No. I would take it all out and I'd get. furious or whatever. >> Yeah. I I Tom Sawyer. I'd get someone. that could do it. Help me. >> Oh, I see. So, you were extortionist. >> Well, I was just, you know, I'd do. certain things for them or could help, but I needed help with this. You know. what I mean? [laughter]. I knew my limitations. Theo, >> I'm trying to think of what we had. We. had Rambo. >> Rambo was dope. We had. >> I played with toys till I was older. I. played with toys young. I love toys. Did. you? >> Yeah. I'm trying to think of what toys. we had. I'm just trying to think about. it. Oh, the wrestling figures was huge. when I was a kid, dude.

>> Super huge. I played with Smurfs, too. Did you ever play with Smurfs? >> We would watch Smurfs, but uh we had. those collectibles. The Smurfs. Yes. I. looking back. >> the collectibles. Well, they had like. those little Smurfs you'd buy, but. looking back, I don't think this the. Smurfs uh ages well. >> They didn't do Yeah, >> Gargaml was just weird. I think it got a. little. >> one lady Smurfett. They only had one. going down. >> and there was a So, yeah, there was sort. of a Brm Smurfett. She was kind of. >> Smurfett. >> She was cute, but she didn't have. enough. >> She had the girl next door going.

>> She didn't have enough body on her for. me. >> No, no, no. But none of them did. >> Yeah, you're right. That's a good point. But what was Gargaml doing there? Remember they had the just a bad guy. >> Yeah, but it doesn't seem bad guy. >> More than that though to me. >> I've seen it. They say that there's like. a whole like dark kind of thing behind. it. There's some stuff with Smurfs being. really bad. >> Oh, really? >> I think so. Yeah, there's some. >> like a conspiracy theory. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Well, there's all those Disney had the. secret in the movies. Remember. that whole thing? >> Yeah. Yeah. And they did, by the way.

>> Did they? >> I think that you could find those. images. >> Did you ever smoke cigarettes? >> Oh, yeah. >> Remember Camel? >> Mhm. They have that weird stuff on the. camel cigarette. It looks like a guy, I. think, who's naked or something, right? >> I don't know. >> Put up those camel cigarettes. Remember, you could make out the the outline of a. guy on. >> with a wiener. >> I think so. I think if you look at it. hard enough, >> you look at anything, you'll see a. little bit of I feel like, [laughter]. you know what I'm saying? If you mill. around a gas station, >> I'm going to get up there and see it. >> Dude, you spend 40 minutes at a gas. station, you'll see somebody's.

>> You're looking for it. Let's see. >> Come look at old boy. Look at his hands. are on his hips like this. Same. here. >> Let me see that hole. >> Looks like Looks like Yeah. Right there. PLAY. YES. >> THAT AIN'T. >> I'm telling you that's something. That. ain't an accent. >> That's a guy with a dude. Just. >> I think that's just a dude standing up. No, >> dude. There's a picture of a guy smoking. like. that ain't I mean, I'll tell you this. though. If that were like 15, 20 years. ago, then yes, we would all think that.

Now there's. >> You ever hear too? like pop rocks. and Coca-Cola make your stomach blow up. and all that. >> Yeah. Or they'll kill a beeon or. whatever if you give them to them. >> Yeah, totally. >> Oh yeah, that was. >> We were bored. We didn't have the. internet. We were making up, bro. >> We were hearing like Rod Stewart had to. get a stomach pumped. Weren't you. hearing all that? >> Oh, yeah. They said Richard Gear was. like working for a like like. >> had a hamster. [clears throat]. >> I don't think that's true. I don't want. to discourage nobody, but I think this. was the stuff going around. >> Yeah, but that was a great ruling. >> That was Camel Cigarettes had some. naked dude on it. That's that's. what was in the news. That's a.

>> That was the news, baby. >> That's crazy. I do miss when they had. more imagination, though. Even like. you're saying, that was something. interesting you said. Like when you were. in the basement, your imagination, if it. was big, it could be a blessing and a. curse because it could really create the. darkness, too. >> Big imagination is both. But yes, I. think you have if you have a great inner. life, like would you talk to yourself a. lot? >> Oh, yeah. It would be harrowing. I'll be. like, you're a piece of. >> I know. Sometimes good. >> Yeah. Occasionally. Sometimes like Merry. Christmas. I remember one time that's. [laughter] so good. I remember one time.

leaving a situation with older kids and. not loving the exchange and I was kind. of walking my bike back and I was kind. of talking out loud and playing. different sides of the conversation and. there was one of the boys had happened. to leave at the same time and he was. behind me. >> really hearing me kind of have this. conversation and I kind of so then I. kept talking. >> but staring it with a different kind of. point of view to kind of hide the fact. that I was that I was just working out. out loud like I kind of saw him but I. made I kept going but steering it in a.

place where I felt more comfortable with. what I was saying. >> like [laughter] you were like just. making up things that made sense that. would have made it justifiable to him. >> Yeah. Or not seem as nuts, you know. [laughter]. >> Oh, dude. One time me and my friend we. got in a fight or something in a ditch. and uh and with some other kids and then. we were riding our bikes leaving and I. think we got the fight was pretty even. but we kind of went to like high five. like that and our hands got kind of. stuck together while we were riding our. bikes. So it just looked like two dudes. just like holding hands up.

[clears throat] in the air. >> and proud of it. >> Yeah, bro. But it's. >> everyone should see this. >> It seemed like we're like a couple. Harvey Milk fans just like leaving a. speech. Triumphant. >> Yes. We seemed a little too tri like and. I still our hands got locked and we were. riding our bikes with the other just. holding our bikes up. Both riding the. same way. So we couldn't let them go. So. I'm sure to these dudes it looked like. oh these dudes are a couple of zest. >> But really you were really wanting to. not damage the friendship over the. fight. >> Yeah. So you were overly connecting and. making up for the for the for the fight.

>> Well, the kids we had fall were down the. street. >> Oh, so you guys were celebrating how you. did. >> We were kind of celebrating. Well, I I. don't think we did that great, but I. think we just went to do a high five. >> Yeah, you were in it together. No one. ran, right? And our hands got locked. So, I'm sure they looked and they're. like, "Oh, we just beat up these two gay. kids probably." And I'm not saying that, but that could have been what they said. >> You don't know what they were thinking. You're just saying it was possible. >> I know what they were thinking. And. that's probably what it was. I think. Yeah. [laughter]. Um, yeah, dude. I I I I'm I'm super. nostalgic. >> Yeah, I try to I can be, but you gota.

you got to move on, too. It's It's a I. think it's good to reflect and then I. think it's good to be where you're at, right? Both. >> When you were in college, did you like. live in the dorms or anything? >> I never went to college. You didn't at. all. >> Did you? >> Oh, yeah. I went to LSU. I went to um. >> Oh, I got a lot of friends who went. there. I think Hugh Hayden. I. >> Oh, I know Hugh, dude. I met you with. Hugh before. >> He was my guy. >> Is he still alive? >> Yeah, I did. Hayden's the. greatest, isn't he? >> Yeah, >> I go down and watch the games. I'll go. watch LSU with him. Uh I always have fun. going to those games. Yeah, >> maybe that's where I've seen you at.

>> Yeah, it could have been. He He's a. great guy. Hugh. >> Hugh knows everybody. >> Oh, he's the He knows everybody. >> He's like the glue of New Orleans. probably. >> He the Better than Ezra guys. Those guys. are great. >> I know those dudes. Yeah. Kevin Griffin. I see him a lot. He has a big festival. over there in uh the Pilgrimage um music. festival that he helped start. >> Yeah. Hayden was friends with all those. guys, too. >> Oh, dude. You met Drew Brees? Yeah, he's. a terrific guy. >> Oh, wow. >> Yeah, because Hugh's friends with I got. to meet a lot of those guys. Hayden is, you know, obviously friends with a lot. of the Saints and stuff, too, and Mickey.

Lumis and those guys. >> Hugh friends with all my ex-girlfriends. somehow, which is interesting, but he. was the best looking guy. >> Yeah, >> he was I mean, he was a good looking. guy. >> He makes friends with Yeah, he does. good. >> Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. Look, >> I don't know if they're just friends. >> You know, I'm not I'm not I'm. insinuating. >> I think it's all groovy. I don't think. there's any strings, but I'm just saying. it may not have just stayed like they. might not just been sitting down playing. canasta with each other. [laughter]. >> Totally true. >> They may not just be hooking up and. playing rummy. There might be some there. might be some.

>> connections going on. >> Yeah, I'm sure. Hugh was just like Yeah. I mean, he was just everybody knew him. >> I just texted with him yesterday. >> Oh, you you really? >> He's a good guy. I love. >> you guys keep in touch a decent amount. >> I do. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> It's Well, it's just so fun down there. >> It is fun down there. I was supposed to. go. >> Did you think about going going to when. you when you left here? Did you think. about going there? >> Oh, going back to Louisiana. >> It's a little too slow down there. sometimes, you know. >> And I. >> How much did How much did standup weigh. on where you relocated to the ability to.

get up? >> That's a good question. It didn't I was. doing like a tour. So, at that point, most of my sets I was like going out of. town and doing like four nights and then. coming back like to like we go out. So. most I wasn't getting up and practicing. as much as much as I was just doing a. tour. >> So you would go take out on a tour. material that you hadn't workshopped all. >> Oh that I had but it was like this tour. and it and tour ended up going for like. three years because um we kept finding. more markets to go play. So we'd play. like be smaller and smaller market. >> So you were changing material slightly. but you kind of had your base and you.

were just hitting areas you hadn't hit. Gotcha. >> And it was growing. I was performing. like four nights a week but I was just. on it was like in venues and like as. opposed to just doing practice sets. How. does that get as you get older the road. that way that that kind of longevity? Is. it is it something you're still excited. about or does it become more of a job? >> It definitely becomes more of a job and. you have to take more breaks. I didn't. realize it, you know, >> because you want you got to fill up your. tank. >> Well, yeah. Yeah, you got to fill up. your tank. >> Recreate. Recreation. Recreate. >> Do you bring Do you bring a crew with. you or do you go solo? I take a a tour.

manager, um a couple other comedians, and then we'll bring like a for some of. the venues, we'll bring like screens and. a truck. So, we have like one. >> Are they people you enjoy and spend time. with? >> Yeah, >> that's good. You need that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But then that can become. unhealthy, too. >> Spending too much time with them. >> Well, yeah. I mean, you kind of become a. circus and it's good because you have. each other, >> but then you kind of are so with each. other so much. >> Oh, yeah. You can get a like family. fight type. >> You need you need a break sometimes, too. Yeah. >> Yeah. I guess as you get do do you. choose films based on now with you want.

to work with your friends? >> Well, I have kids now so that's once you. have kids that really becomes your. priority. I have so many great friends. that I just don't see that often because. we're on different cycles. You know, they their kids are at different ages. than mine or live in a different area. So, the family is really and your kids. become the calling card. You know, it's. always funny. I thought of a movie I did. with this which is when your kids are. real young, they're a lot of work. Like. me and my wife didn't have any help. It. was just me and her, which I that's.

really well that's how I grew up. So I. liked it like that. [gasps]. Uh as they got older and I would leave. for movies, we'd have people who kind of. can help help her driving and stuff. But. uh I found that like you're so desperate. to have other people that have kids your. age cuz it's a lot of work. So when the. kids get to be three or four, if you. meet other people with kids the same. age, you can hang out, you know, have. some have a glass of wine, whatever, and. the kids play together. So that's nice. But all you really have in common is. your kids are the same age. And then it.

feels like a good idea to go. >> on spring break with them cuz that's. easy. You can put the kids can do stuff. together and the parents could hang. But. then you can realize that you have very. different parenting styles. >> Oh, have you been in some situations. like that? >> I think everybody has. It's sort of. funny, but you're like, is that guy. going to tell his son to stop hitting my. daughter or am I going to have to say. something? You know what I mean? Like, or is that guy's way too that guy's. screaming at his son, he's an inch from. his face, or these guys are getting. super drunk and falling down in front of. their kid, you know? So, you just don't. know until you go on that trip.

>> with the. >> with the parenting and how they how they. roll. Yeah. But, you know, you you kind. of hang with them. And I'm sure you. know, everyone feels that way. So, it's. sort of something you start to hang out. with more people who have kids in your. area because your kids schedules are. dominating your time way more than you. would hang out with friends that you had. in common through comedy or through. other stuff because. >> So, it's all the kids. >> It's all the kids. >> Yeah. >> Have you [clears throat] ever been. shocked if your kid picks a certain. friend, you're like, "No, that's not the.

kid." I kind of let my kids I mean, I. give them kind of a baseline of things. to look for and then I let them make. their mistakes and go through it. But, I've been fortunate. My kids, you know, both have pretty good friends. I like. they handle themselves well. I get nice. reports that they treat kids good. Yeah. I I I get texts all the time or we'll. hear. >> stuff saying, "Oh, your daughter. >> uh walked my daughter out of this. situation and was nice to her." So that. makes you feel good. But yeah, I think. it's not as complicated as people make. it. Theo, I think it gets over. complicated in a city in LA if.

everyone's competing to get into the. right school, right? >> Do you know what I'm saying? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, >> but I think if it's just a basic idea of. how you go about handling stuff, you. kind of attract people that share those. ideas. But if you're competing all the. time, I think you're kind of going to. get in a bad situation. >> Is your uh Did you choose a good wife. for. >> I did. Yeah, she's from Canada. She grew. up on a farm. >> That's where you got to get him. >> You're so funny, dude. The way you The. way you said that was like that's a. secret code. [laughter]. >> Well, a lot of people are like, "Yeah,

I'm definitely looking the Canada even. further. I'll take something that's, you. know what I'm saying? That's still on. ice. >> Where are you going? >> I'll take a freaking Inuit. I'll take. something that's in the freezer section. You know what I'm saying? Something that. hasn't been thought out by some of these. desperate ways of America. You know, >> I tell you, it's you got good and bad. people everywhere for sure. But I. definitely I definitely look for. somebody who, [snorts]. >> you know, I like their base values and. how they handle stuff. I think that goes. a long way because a lot of parenting is. problem solving.

>> Yeah. >> Working with each other. Yeah. And they. have good posture up there in Canada. You notice they have the best posture. >> I haven't noticed that. >> Watch Canadians when they go by. You. could barely even see them. They're so. >> interesting. >> Just horizontal longitudinal. >> You'd be a little surprised you don't. see them like Africans with that like. you know carrying on their head. Oh. yeah. >> Yeah. You remember that? They always. have a basket. >> carrying. >> walking around real casual like a cuz. their posture was great. >> Oh yeah. >> Yeah. And some of them would even like. if the ladies would get pissed they. would be like.

not even spilling anything. >> Not a freaking melon would fall out of. the basket. Oh dude I remember I went to. South Africa a couple times and you. would see a lot of people walking and. they would that was how they would. travel to stack it on the dome. >> That was I never been to South Africa. >> That was so nice. >> You liked it? >> Yeah cuz there's just so much going on, you know. Uh yeah, just like it's. beautiful and amazing and there's these. beaches and there's all this insane. history. >> Were you there for a vacation or work? I. went there one time in Johannesburg to. do a comedy festival. I went once when I. I did this thing called semester at sea.

where you like went as a student like on. this boat and we went there. >> Yeah. >> And. >> do you ever go somewhere for work and. then say I want to come back for when I. have some downtime to hang? That's cool. That's the great thing about our work is. you get to travel. >> Yeah. >> I find that to be a great education. >> Oh yeah, for sure dude. Going to Vietnam. or whatever. I'm trying to think of some. other neat places. Um yeah. What's a. place that you filmed in that you were. like, "Wow, this kind of blew my mind.". Even if it was an American city. >> Yeah, there's been a lot of them. I. mean, I remember going, you know, as a.

kid, getting to go to New York and. actually living there was a big very. different for me obviously than I lived. there for a while. >> And you were acting then or not? >> I was. Yeah. I never really traveled. anywhere, bro, until work took me there. Like for us, a vacation was in a you we. would get in a station wagon. >> Where would y'all go? >> We drive to Florida or Arizona. >> Dude, Florida. You try not to get. grounded cuz everyone's hopped up on. sugar and and you're crowded in. >> and you try not to get in trouble in the. back, [laughter]. >> but we didn't really, you know, we we. would we would drive most places for. spring break. I never left I I had.

relatives in Canada from my mom's side. Um so we would we would go up there. Uh. but I never went to Europe ever. >> Yeah. >> Until I I had gone for work. >> For sure. >> Did you? No, dude. We didn't know even. know [clears throat] about Europe. The. guy, the janitor that drew the map on. our like cement at our school left out. three states of it, dude. So there was. like people were like, "What is that?". [laughter] Like. >> how does that happen? >> They just, you know, they. >> the states. What were the states? >> Um, >> you wouldn't know cuz they didn't put.

him down. >> Yeah. Well, I think it was somewhere. Some of it I think Maine I knew that. Maine was missing. I didn't want to call. him out cuz I felt kind of bad for the. guy. But anyway, yeah. So, we weren't. going to Europe, dude. I remember. Canada. They didn't even have it when I. was a kid or whatever. They had like a. picture. I remember in our classroom. they had America. >> Yeah. >> Cuz it was very everything was very. American then. Very like we are America. And then they had a picture of a wolf. like chasing a boy. And that was Canada. Like chasing a cold boy. And that was.

like what we thought was going on. outside of there. And Florida was the. greatest place you go in the world. If. somebody went to Florida and they came. back to school and a shirt on said. Florida, you were like, >> "Oh man, you killed it.". >> They are so rich. [laughter]. >> Totally. >> That's nice. So you guys would drive all. the way from uh Illinois down to. Florida. >> Yeah, we have relatives in Ohio. I go. see my grandfather had a little hunt, a. little farm. >> What kind of animals did they have over. there? [snorts]. >> He just had cows. Um he just had cows. I. remember um. >> I like cows. They're warm.

Yeah. I remember as a kid I was like in. first grade and we were studying the. pilgrims and you know the pilgrims were. all in black and white and so when I we. drove from the farm to go see my. grandfather. I never saw them much but. when you get to the smaller roads. they're like this narrow you know. there's you can't get around. There's. just two two lanes and it those country. roads are smaller roads and we were. behind Amish. I'd never seen Amish. people. >> Oh yeah. >> Never knew travelers. thought they were. pilgrims.

>> Wow. >> So, you had a bunch of kids in black and. white in the back of the carriage, you. know, um kind of staring at us like you. couldn't break eye contact cuz they're. looking right at you. >> Yeah. >> And [laughter] they're slow, bro. They're not moving. Like, this. horse is not excited. And we're sitting. behind them. We had like a Lincoln Town. Car or something. My dad was driving. >> and it was so slow going. And I remember. going, "Why won't these pilgrims get out. of our way?" And my dad lost his mind. He pulled the car over and took my head. off. You're no better than these people. Who are you to talk like that about.

someone? But he didn't realize like I. really thought they were. >> pilgrims. Wow. >> I really thought that that was a pilgrim. because I had I couldn't even. understand. >> Of course, >> what these people living not touching. electricity, you know what I [laughter]. mean? >> But my dad's great and my mom, but they. were real keen on, you know, making sure. that you were I think cuz they moved me. to a nicer area. They were real big on. making sure I wasn't, you know, feeling. better than anybody. But I think he got. that one wrong. And I think he thought I. was making fun of these Amish people. I. didn't know what they were.

>> Yeah. You're like, "This could be. Christopher Columbus' children or. whatever over [laughter] here and they. just, you know, they're all hopped up on. cheese curds and they're slowing down. >> They're slow as We can't get. around them.". >> Dude, that's hilarious, bro. Yeah, that's kind of what we had in our. classroom. >> We were super pro America, too. Everything was. It was taught in that. way. The pledge of was good. Hell yes. I. I liked it, by the way. I love it. >> I did, too. Well, it kept us together. It was like one thing you had in common. It was like if you at a certain point if. you don't have anything in common, if. you if you take away things that people. have in common, then they don't have.

anything in common. >> I still feel the same way. I still feel. like it's the best out there. Not that. it's perfect. There's a lot of stuff. going on. I think I don't think we even. I don't know how much control everyone. even has over it, but I still love the. idea of it. >> Well, a lot of people are going to. homeschool now, too. That's Yeah. >> Yeah. There's more uh parents have. switched to homeschooling uh now than. even during COVID. >> I did some of it. >> You did it. >> My daughter in first grade, we did it. I. did some, you know, I I. >> But that's easy to teach, though, dude. Try one of the harder. I had I hired a.

lady that was good. Yeah. But I get a. curriculum, you know, and then I'd have. a pick pick a curriculum that I like. I. had a lady. But the first year she was. by herself, which she'd look at me when. I'd leave her in the classroom like, "Fuck this. No one wants to be sitting. by themselves." So then I found a public. hybrid school where she would go two. days a week. And then I moved her to a. local Catholic school and now she goes. to a big public high school and she's. doing great. But um for all the same. reasons, you start looking at this stuff. and figuring that you want to try to. give a uh education that is not so uh.

drowning in and and beating them down. >> Yeah. >> You know what I mean? >> Not really exactly. I mean, let me think. about beating them down. Well, meaning. everything was taught from a place for a. while like pointing out everything bad. and you can't say this or you can't feel. this way or so much guilt education and. >> oh you're bad to feel this way or that. way. >> and so I didn't I thought it's just too. heavy and also like just a hatred of. anything. >> and I just I always you know like it an.

optimism positive and why not share. different ideas why not have. differencing of opinions and create an. environment where you can talk about. different things. >> Yeah. It feels like there's a lot. Yeah. Like kids were just feeling bad about. themsel or like we did this or our. people. >> It's like what are we doing? >> I'd go to my kids and say when I would. get stuff I'd say this is not the. history of how this started. This. is not real. We didn't invent any of. this. >> you know? So you'd have to kind of go. and that's a lot of work.

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do your own research and trade. responsibly. >> Where are you at with marriage and kids? >> I don't have a marriage right now. Um, >> someone that you are serious with? >> No, but I would like to get there. So, it'll happen sometime soon. >> What's your process for that? >> That's been the problem. I just haven't. really I've been working so much that I. didn't really focus on it much, but now. I'm trying to focus on it more. >> How old are you, if you don't mind? >> I'm 45. >> Yeah. >> So, I'm going to die. I'm going to I'm. not going to die soon, but I'm going to, you know, >> No, you got time. I think the thing that. happens is is we're so focused on the.

career and it takes up so much time and. it's easy to put that to the sidelines. But then as you get older, sometimes the. joy or the things we got from the career. aren't as high as they were. And you. start to look at family and the idea of. it and say that would be fun. >> Yeah. >> So you take kind of the same approach. that you take to your towards your. career and you start to put those ideas. on meeting somebody. >> Yeah. >> And then you start to work at it in the. same kind of way. And I think my opinion.

sometimes what are the things I'm doing. that are good? What what's not good? What's a good thing to bring to a. relationship? What's not working on. yourself in a weird way? you'll come in. contact with somebody more than I got to. go to the right class or go out during. the day. It's more about doing that kind. of work on yourself. >> and then I think you'll kind of attract. somebody in a similar mindset. But I. would say put don't put it off. Just. focus on it a little bit in the same way. that you've done with your career.

>> Did you have to do that in in your like. >> Yeah. Yeah, I got to a point like you. did and I thought at first I thought, you know, maybe you don't get all the. cards in life. Like maybe I was so not. focused on this, >> right? It just doesn't work out. >> Now I'm older and I wish I would have. gotten started sooner. But then I. thought, you know, I want to ask God for. those years back. Like I I I can get. those years better than I would have had. them if I want if I'm asking for them. now because now I'm wanting that. >> Ah, >> does that make sense? So now that you. want it, you say, "Why can't I have it. now in whatever way it looks for you at.

45?" Yeah. Yeah. I think you're right. I. think the more I I I just keep realizing. it's not me like cuz sometimes like I. don't really want to go out or go do. this thing or something, but maybe I'll. meet somebody, right? And maybe I'll But. then it's a lot of times I'm still. meeting somebody with the same kind of. I'm showing up with some of the same. problems that I still that have. prevented me. So, it's I think you're. right about instead of like uh out there. metal detecting, maybe stay home and. work on the magnet a little bit. >> Well, I think do it with grace, too. You.

can say, you know, I don't want to do. this. This would be better. What do I. look? And also, I think you go, what do. I want in a person that I'm going to. >> be married to? What what do I want and. what don't I want? Like just thinking. about it. It's almost like the same as a. standup. You what kind of venues do I. want to play? >> What kind of podcast? What do I want to. do? What? And and by making those. decisions, you can manifest. >> something you're excited about. >> Yeah. I think I'm a good mom. That's. what I want to have. A wife that's a. good mom. That's probably the number one. thing that you know. Did your wife have. to introduce you to her dad or whatever.

like they do in the movies or whatever? >> They were kind of I met them pretty. quickly. I I did call him and say I'm. going to ask her to marry and he I think. he was appreciative of it. But they. weren't as much like that. I was raised. like that. Yeah. >> Were you? >> No, dude. There was like a lot of. domestic abuse in our area and people. like hiding drugs in each other's, you. know, uh bedrooms and stuff like that. So, it was more. >> Those are relationships that aren't. going well. >> Yeah, pretty much. But I'm saying you. would want to, you know, the family.

>> Yeah. Yeah. I would like to have like a. family, you know? I'm okay with like. people fighting at night before they go. to bed a little. >> Show me a normal family, I'll show you a. liar. Everyone's going to go through. their You know, no one's like. killing it. >> You know what I mean? Everyone's got. their they fight about. There's. days anybody's mad at anybody. So that's. never going to go away. You're just. trying to aim it a little better. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. [laughter]. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just shoot a. little bit and a little bit. I just want. my arrow to end at least [clears throat]. in a different area. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> But dude, yeah. I remember one time we. were so mad at our mom and we were like. crying. We're all crying that we try to.

like put all of our tears in like a. little jar and we're going to take them. to the police and be like, "Look what's. happening at the house." But they won't. stay in there that like in the morning. they were gone or whatever. >> Isn't that interesting? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But I remember that. I remember us like. [snorts]. >> Were you real tight with your mom? >> No, we weren't that tight, but we're. tighter now. >> That's good. >> Yeah. I just went and surprised her for. Valentine's Day the other day. >> That's nice. >> We had a nice time, dude. >> You have brothers and sisters? >> Uh, yeah. I got a couple brothers and. sisters. close. >> It's gotten better over the years. Yeah. Yeah. What about What do you got? >> Same. It's older sisters.

>> And uh I'm And you were the boy? >> I was the youngest. Yeah. >> And they were older sisters. >> Yeah. >> No. Did they ever have friends come over. and you were just like uglining or. whatever? >> Or were you put on. >> They were like five They were five or. six years older. So I would. >> I would sometimes get thrown under the. bus to look cool for the older friends, you know? Like you'd hang out and play. and then when the older friends would. come all you weren't included, >> Vince normal Yeah. >> Yeah. Go hide, Vince. Yeah. >> Did they call you Vince or is that Did. they What did they call you? >> They called me Vince if they weren't mad. at me then they call you anything. We.

fight like crazy younger. You like you'd. be hot and then you'd be friends and you. love each other, you know, like. anything. You really go at it when you. go I did. You have this. Sometimes when. you get in a fight with your siblings, it's really like a game of tag. You'd be so pissed and you'd hit. somebody, but then you'd be afraid cuz. now you got them. M. >> So then you they'd turn around mad and. now they try to come to get you real bad. and you were trying to get to the door. to shut it. >> and then if they got you it would go the. other way. So it's like whoever got the.

other one hard last is kind of how the. fights would go. >> Yeah. And when so they everybody brought. it to mom and then seeing kids run. around their mom is one of the funniest. [laughter] things, you know. Yeah. >> Like they're hiding. It's so funny when. you watch a kid with their mom sometimes. and they're just like, you know, they're. moving in between the moms like they're. just running, you know, they're all like. or they're fighting around the mom. That. kind of shit's fun. Or even how kids. play hide-and-seek like an ostrich. Their ass will stick out but their head. will be behind a [laughter] curtain. >> You ever seen kids play hide-and-seek? >> Dude, sometimes a kid will just sit. there and cover his eyes laughing. wildly. >> Yeah, dude. We could see you, dude.

>> Thank god there's not a kidnapper after. the kid. >> Yeah, we didn't have I think we had we. had a decent amount of like uh they used. to have a law that they would put like. if you was like a sex offenders or. whatever, children sex offenders, you. had to go around and go door todo, right? which was the worst because we. all we lived at our mom was working so. it would just be these guys would come. and they'd be like I have to let you. know I live in the air I'm a sex it. would just be us kids. >> I live in the air I'm into super young. guys just letting you know mom. >> but mom would be gone and that was like. at every house I'm like who put this.

rule together. >> yeah now it's on an app. >> yeah that's easier now. >> I know it was weird because you're like. oh gez this guy over here yeah. >> only 60 better not knowing we just walk. around we we were always outside going. around nobody paid attention to us. >> dude yeah that was and living at that. was the best, too. We had this one kid. named Kirby that tried to crawl through. the ditch covert one time. >> and the government had to come and get. him or whatever. I remember. >> the government [laughter] had to come. get him. That government man came down. to do some work. Like that was the best. We had. this name Milford that would drive uh.

the school bus and he was always they. were always coming and checking to see. if he was drunk. It was just like it was. Yeah. But there was nothing like that. being like. >> We find out stuff later that a teacher. molested people and stuff. We didn't. know. You find that out later. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Anyway, that kind of took a turn. Um, >> let's talk a little bit about Well, I I. watched your movie, uh, Mike and Nick. and Nick and. >> Alice. >> Alice. Yeah, it's cool, man. It's. >> cool. >> The way that they shot some, they slowed. it down. Yeah.

>> You know what I'm talking about? >> Styized. Yeah. >> Yeah, it was interesting. Was that a. choice that was made kind of later? Do. you have any clue or do you have. anything to do about that? >> It's a director who puts it all together. and he kind of has a stylized point of. view to do it. But I I liked it. I. thought it came out cool. >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's just bizarre. It. was like or it's just like it made me. think, oh, things can be different. >> Flashbacks. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Like like when he would do flashbacks, you're saying? >> Well, like even with the like there's. like a moment where they have that cat. that's in there and they show him, but. it's like. >> uh it goes in slow motion just for like. a moment or something. I just thought it.

was pretty st It was pretty stylized. That's what I thought. >> I agree. >> Um Yeah. And so I don't want to give too. much of it of it away. But so your. character go kind of goes back. >> What can we say? >> You can say whatever you want. It's kind. of a sci-fi thing where it's it's rated. it's like a rated R comedy with action. and it's got this kind of sci-fi twist. to it. >> And your character you've you played two. two characters of you. >> Yes. >> Yeah. It was kind of cool to see like. cuz you always wonder I wonder what it. would be like if you played this. character in this thing while you're.

watching somebody in something. But to. see him play two people that was like oh. that's it's like I can't even explain. it. It was just like it almost seemed. like an experiment. It's crazy what they. do with technology now cuz you kind of. film one side of it, then you film the. other side and they put it, you know, together like it's one thing. The. technology has gotten so much more. advanced. >> Uh, was there tough moments to play like. two different characters in the same. thing or you didn't really think about. it? I was amazed at how different the. guys actually seem because I was like, "Oh, well, at one point I'm just going. to kind of get confused, but I didn't at.

all.". >> Yeah, they make them a little different. because one's obviously been alive. longer and you're going back in time, but yeah, it was a different experience. for sure. So, I kind of like doing stuff. that's a little different. You get bored. doing the same stuff. So, anytime I'm. doing something that's a little. different, I like that. So, it was it. wasn't too bad. I mean, sometimes it was. just more stuff to film because you're. playing two characters in a scene. >> Oh, that's true. Huh. >> But, um I I like trying different stuff. >> Was there um I read some of that you.

were almost in the Matrix one time. >> I don't know about that. That wouldn't I. don't remember that. I don't remember. that. Sometime there's stuff I've turned. down, but that I don't remember that. being one of them. >> Yeah. Um, your first one of your first. movies was um Rudy. >> That's the best, huh? >> That was fun. Yeah, >> dude. I still sometimes. uh see that guy clapping by the. >> So funny, bro. Yeah, that's so funny. Such a meme. Slow clap. >> Oh, >> slow clap. >> Charles S. Dutton, that's the actor.

>> Yeah, he was great. >> Yeah. Did he pass away? >> I don't know if he did or he didn't. Let's go back to the board here. I bring. him up. >> He was cool. He was great in that part. >> Oh, he was so good. >> Great speech to Rudy. Gratitude. >> Still alive. >> Hell yeah. >> Come on, Charles. Keep going. >> Show them, Charles. Um, and he was in the show. Yeah. They. had a show called Rock when I was a kid. that he was on. >> Yeah, that guy was great, dude. Um, did. you ever meet the real Rudy over there? >> I did. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I didn't hang out with him much,

but he was there. I said I a few times. Yeah. >> Yeah. Cuz I went over there to. Mishawaka, Indiana. I used to go do. comedy over there sometimes. He had a. comedy club right on. >> He owned He owned a comedy club. >> No, no, they had one on the edge of town. there, right outside of where Notre Dame. was. >> Gotcha. >> And uh and I would go. >> Have you been to a game there? >> Uh I never been to a game. >> That's cool. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Tradition. Yeah. >> Yeah. Oh, I would love to go. Well, the. grass right there when you walk onto the. campus at Notre Dame, it's like. beautiful. And then when you're off the. gr off campus, it's a little bit. different grass. >> Totally. They do. >> It's more like the grass has been. drinking or whatever during, you know,

during the day even. >> Yes. That day drinking. >> Yeah. But on campus it's super nice. >> Yeah, they they take care of it for. sure. >> Oh, is that the campus right there? >> Mhm. >> Yeah, that's nice. Pretty. Give me that. one with the snow right there. That's. nice. >> Yeah, that's one thing I do like about. Nashville is that we we do get some cold. weather over there. That's kind of a. vibe. Do you miss that about the Midwest. about having cold weather? >> I think you're used whatever you get. used to. I I I don't mind the cold. I. I'm I'm always ready to be done with it. come January. I like it for the.

holidays, but come February, I'm I'm. done with it. As a kid, I loved it. >> What would y'all do? Go do. >> just go play in the snow or get a snow. day. You know, as an adult, you're. scraping it off the driveway. You're. scraping your car. It's more. maintenance. Yeah. >> And getting kids ready in the snow is a. lot more time. >> Yeah. You got to lock You got to lock. them down. >> Lock them down. >> And then their face is just like a thing. of snot and just redness. >> Like Christmas Story. Yeah. >> Yeah, [laughter] dude. The guy from. Christmas Story. I met him with you. >> Yeah. He's one of my best friend. probably. He's my best friend. Peter. Billingsley. Yeah. He's my closest. friend. He's a great guy. >> Yeah. Cuz I met you guys. Did So you.

guys started the Wild West Comedy. Festival. What was that like? Cuz that. was the Nashville Comedy Festival, right? >> Yeah. Well, what what was it? >> I'll tell you what it was. I I had a lot. of friends that were standups, but there. wasn't any opportunities for stand-ups. This is in the like 90s. I mean, we did. Swingers. >> We wrote the in the in the script. There. was the line that said uh cuz Favro's. character was uh a standup, an ex. standup in that movie. >> So, he wrote the line saying in the 80s. it felt like they were handing out. pilots to standups, you know, at the. airport. And then it was a time where.

there really wasn't a lot for standups. >> So I just started trying to help friends. of mine out that were standup comedians. I did that Wild West comedy show where I. went around and did 30 days and put. Sebastian was on that and. >> some just do it everywhere. >> I just would go hit 30 cities in 30 days. because it seemed fun to me. So I we we. perform every night. We did 30 nights in. a row. But I was really trying to help. some of my friends like Amed that I. knew, guys that were standup comics. >> Oh yeah. John Capillo. I saw him last. night at the comedy store. >> So there was a bunch of stand-ups cuz. there wasn't as much opportunities. It's. crazy cuz now standups have a lot more.

opportunities. >> Um. >> Brett Erns is on there. Wow. >> Brett, I like Brett. But anyway, so they. started going um but now then what. happened is the standups now have a lot. more opportunity. But at the time. they're just it wasn't as viable. Like I. think in the last 15 years standup. really had this renaissance where so. much came out of it. >> And I look at the standup stuff a little. bit like what happened with improv. Like. I did improv when I was a kid in Chicago.

when I was in high school cuz there was. a improv Olympic that was an offshoot of. Second City, but it wasn't it was just a. place to go train and it was fun. It. wasn't that big big of a deal. I enjoyed. it and I learned stuff there, but I. didn't stay the whole time. I I came out. to California after high school, but as. I got older, there started to be these. different improv groups and then it. became like a religion. This improv. group thought that that improv group. wasn't good. Yeah. this improv group is. good at sketch. This is good at. characters. They don't. And I thought, this is improv. Yeah.

>> Like, who the is talking about. improv? >> Yeah. It's like when mimes start beefing. or whatever. >> You know what I mean? It's like it's. just comedy. >> Like, what is the I mean, what are you. talking? It's so crazy to me. And so then standup kind of went through. the same thing where it started to form. into like this standup group or this. group or a comic is this. And I thought, Jesus, it's the same where it. starts to get too self-important. And I. think ultimately comedy is a big tent. You can go real cerebral or you can be.

physical. It doesn't matter. It's just. there's nothing that there's nothing. that uh you know prestigious or like a. stamp of approval about it. >> Yeah, I agree. It's gotten to that place. recently. There's been like kind of like. infighting. I don't know if it's like. rappers now. It's so silly. But. everybody's afraid to kill each other. >> It's weird, right? It's just so stupid. So, I'm just saying we either either we. need a Tupac and Biggie from We need. somebody. >> got to go real bad to get good. Yeah. Yeah. Or it's just got to stop. Or it's. silly. >> But it is silly. Silly, bro. Well, a lot.

of it got political, too. I think. politics came into stuff. I think that's. has happened a lot over the past few. years um with people like attaching. themselves like heavily attaching. themselves to politics. Uh. >> which is part of the job because you got. to talk about current events, >> right? But to attach yourself, >> but you don't want to become part of a. group and feel like you're now you're a. a champion for one ideology. You want to. make fun of everybody. >> Yeah, I agree. >> Yeah, >> it's happened more over the past few. years,

but it's always been that. Well, it was. for a long time it was like uh you know, Hollywood is is pretty much overly kind. of a liberal place. Yeah. >> And so you would have. >> But not really. >> Yeah. >> You know what I mean? >> Yeah. It's more like uh we're smart and. got it figured out and if you don't. agree. >> then you're. >> then you're an idiot. Yeah. Yeah. [laughter]. >> That's true. >> Not in the way not Yeah. Not liberal in. the way that we think where it's like, "Hey, it's all groovy, >> right?". >> Yeah. It's not liberal like a hippie.

with a joint. >> No, man. No, >> maybe it was. >> That's pursuit of happiness. That's. cool. Whatever makes you happy, right? That's cool. >> Maybe it was at one point though, I. think. >> I don't know. >> But it's definitely got more of elitist. take like this is our way or the. highway. I think it's changing now. >> Well, do you think it's dissolving now. or do you think it's just spacing out. more now? Like. >> that's an interesting conversation too. because I hear this from the different. groups too. Um. I do think that there's less control in. some ways, but I also thought I also. think that they put themselves in a.

corner with trying to please everybody. You know, you're going to catch. pneumonia, you're trying to please. everybody's. That's like that old. Vonigan quote. So yes, I I think uh uh I. think there was a more of a strangle. hold with ideas, but there's always been. people who feel differently within that. It's like any group, I guess, but um but. yeah, not I think what we're saying is. similar that it was never really a place. where. within individuals and friends and it's. we could always disagree and always joke.

with each other. people my age I I. disagree agree and you could change we'd. change our minds we'd laugh we joke but. there was definitely a culture that if. you didn't agree with these ideas uh you. were looked at as bad yeah. >> for sure. >> yeah I think Hollywood really got more. political I don't know if it got more. political. >> no they got rewarded for it yeah they. started to come out there and do it and. I don't even know how much everyone even. is informed on everything. >> but they really like to get out there. and do it. >> oh yeah but it's also wild how those.

people will speak on one thing, but. there'll be another topic that's way. bigger. >> And they're hypocrites, too, a lot of. times, like anybody is. >> Oh, for sure, dude. I'm a I totally I. think. >> you'll be like, I feel strong about. this. But it's a strange thing when you. start going like, you know, better than. someone. That's a That's when that's. when it gets weird. It's one thing to. say, this is where I'm at. >> Yeah. >> And then hear someone else's point of. view and disagree or agree. It's another. thing to be like, >> I'm so right and I gotta and I'm gonna. help you or condescend to you. That's. the part that no one I mean, who wants. No one wants to hang out with that.

>> Yeah. So, it got my agent is right and. so this I'm going to have to tell you. what they think. You know, that's also. another like, you know, that happens a. lot where people are like feel like they. have to think how their agents or. managers, you know what I'm saying? Where they feel pressured to think a. certain way. >> That's terrible. And that happens. But. that's the problem if you're going. through life trying to check boxes like. the wi like Dorothy and the Wizard of. Oz. Like, let me get the broom. Let me. do this. What is the wizard? You're not. thinking for yourself. You're just. trying to do the things you're supposed. to. But it's always better if you get. quiet and do what's in your heart and do.

what you think is right. That's when you. carve out stuff and make your own path. >> and probably the best of it and get the. best stuff out of you even creatively. >> 100%. and have the courage I think to be. honest try to be and you know go out. that's the problem I think that happened. with film comedies and that's why I. think standup got stronger is they you. know standups would kind of it was. easier to give someone money for a. special and say we're going to not. that's their special but the studios. weren't going to produce a comedy and. have more of uh be more responsible for.

supporting the making of that film I see. you're saying with a stand with a. standup special they can just put this. is their thing. >> That's their thing. We're out of it. We're just hiring a special. But but the. truth is most people they want to laugh. They don't want to see stuff be precious. that you can't talk or joke about. Most. people can make fun of themselves. >> You know, in in the real world, if you. don't have a sense of humor about. yourself, >> then it's a it's a lonely experience. >> You know, you got to be able to laugh at.

yourself. You can look back at stuff. that you believe so strongly a few years. ago and laugh about it. So, I think you. got to have that quality and comedy is. that being able to laugh at stuff. And I. think that it was easier then to go, okay, well, we're gonna just have a. standup and that's their point of view. than it was to they got too complicated. not to offend anybody with going and. making a movie. They were trying so hard. not to offend anybody. >> Well, I think it's why. >> does that make sense? >> For sure it does. I think it's one of.

the reasons why like I've seen a lot of. um why a lot of the late shows have. struggled. >> because all they did during like all. they did the only person they can make. fun of at a certain point was just like. white redneck kind of people and it. tank and then everything tanked. after that. >> Think about that. This is but see they. never get it right. The podcasts have gotten so much more. popular with less production, less. writers, less staff. And the reason why. is. >> there two people working here and both. of them are hung over. Well, that one. guy has shingles,

>> but the place is clean. I like that you. keep a clean plan. >> Thank you. Yeah, we did a vacuum. >> But uh but yeah, because people want. authenticity. >> Yeah. >> And I think that I think that the talk. shows to a large part became really. agenda based. >> Yeah. >> They were going to evangelical people to. what they thought. You know what I mean? And so people just rejected it because. it didn't feel authentic. It felt like. they had an agenda. It stopped being. funny and it started feeling like I was. in a class I didn't want to. take. >> Yeah. >> Do you know what I Oh, for sure. >> I'm getting scolded 100%.

>> Yeah, >> 100%. And so I think that's the the. phenomenon isn't what they say. They. always blame technology, but the reality. is it's the approach. You know, someone. could go watch a standup at Madison. Square Garden and they want to go cuz it. feels dangerous. The crowd is alive. I. don't know what Theo is going to do or. say. And I love taking that experience. So, it's fun. I don't want to stay home. and watch it on a TV because I want to. experience that live. >> Right.

>> That's where you're coming from. That's. the that's the main point. And I think. people are going to tune into a podcast. more so because they want to feel like. people are are having a real. conversation. It's interesting to them. But if you look at what happened to the. talk shows and why their ratings are. low, >> it's got only to do with the fact of. what you just said, which is they all. became the same show. >> Yeah. And they all became so about their. politics and who's good and who's bad. And it's like, imagine sitting next to. someone like that on a plane. Oh, >> bro, you'd be like, "How do I get out of. this scene?".

>> I would fart right next to. >> Holy cow. [laughter]. >> You fart your way out of it. >> God, dude, I would. Oh, I would for. sure. And I'. skunk. You know, the skunk's the. king of the jungle. No one's playing. with the skunk. You can watch all the. videos you want. No one's. playing with a skunk. Skunk. Skunk in. the food chain in the woods. skunk is here. You get yourself a pit. bull. I don't give a what you got. The honey badger. The skunk is. the king of the jungle. Don't bring that. badass around. >> Yeah, that [laughter] thing is the. devil's cologne, baby.

>> That's it. Everyone can talk the devil's. cologne, daddy. You can talk about. whatever the you want as [laughter]. far as an animal and velocity right. there. All hill the king. >> Oh, >> that motherfucker's going where he wants. now. He might need a nap. >> He might be like a lover that needs to. recharge. You know what I mean? He might. be like an older lover. He might not be. able to go 10 times in a day, but that. one or two times he's going to get it. right. >> But what's he having for lunch or that. >> whatever the he wants, whatever's. around, >> he going to hit a spray and get everyone. else to scurry it. Don't bother him.

>> God, once that skunk puts its tail up, you got a real decision to make. >> What a. >> How how much of a badass are. [laughter] you? >> Right. So, if you brought that skunk. mentality to the plane cuz you. run that Well, I'm just saying. every now and then if somebody won't. shut up, dude, >> you got to put some ass on them. >> Well, you just got to be a You know what. I'm saying? You got to be the king of. the juggle. [laughter] That's all I'm. saying, bro. >> That's all I'm saying for sure. >> Yeah. >> But did you ever feel Did you you never. felt ostracized and in and by Hollywood. at all or no?

>> I always I got along with people for the. most and always was, you know, >> always had a great career. >> Try to be honest who I am. But yeah, there's times you felt like it would. have been easier. It's almost like a. career move. >> Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> You know what I mean? But I was always. the other way too. Like I'm not jumping. on 100% this or this cuz I have opinions. on both sides. >> There's I don't agree with at all. >> and then there's I don't agree with. at all. >> I don't see how people could could. choose a side completely. >> It's so crazy. >> cuz also once you're on a side, you're. on a side. that. I want to be able. to have the freedom to go. >> possibility. Yeah. >> Yeah. And also some I'm agree with this.

over here. I agree with this over there. It is what it is. But I I just we never. cared about it so much. It wasn't our. defining conversations about how I like. somebody or life. We weren't 23 sitting. around talk about taxes. >> Yeah. >> But I think as it started to encroach on. us for me, I started to go a little bit. back here cuz nobody wants to be. >> told what to do. >> or feel like everything you do has to be. through a certain lens. That's. >> or worrying about if people think you're.

kind or not. like you're not going to. >> especially when everybody's pretending a. lot of times because I would have. friends acting one way but then like. kind of speaking another way sometimes. >> Well, those are the people that are so. focused on how they're coming off. >> Yeah. >> You know, they they're worried about and. that's not a real journey and you're. hurting in that. I think we all go. through those stages younger like. everyone learns that lesson. >> Well, we all want to be accepted. >> Yeah. But you learn younger the right. way to do it. Hopefully we never get it. perfect and you learn the wrong way. But. if you're constantly worried what.

someone else thinks of you and you're. only around them a couple hours a day, you're miserable most of the time. You. got to really try to be, you know, find. the way to be yourself, but be. respectful. You know, that's the other. side that I think happened is when I was. a kid, if I was loud in a restaurant, my. parents would say, "These people didn't. come here to hear you." Yeah. scream. >> Well, dude, you stared at the Amish. wrong and you got. >> I got dog talked. >> Yeah. >> But now, if you're mad in a restaurant, they'll say, "Are you okay?" And I just. think it's important to be aware of how. you're affecting other people. >> Yeah. >> But if you're all about you and you're.

right and they're bad and you're good, then you're okay to go after somebody. because you're not really thinking about. what that what their shoes are, you. know? >> Yeah. We've started to like like make it. seem like the delusional isn't. delusional sometimes. Say that again. >> Like yeah, something's delusional, but. if we act like it isn't over and over. and we like pretendize it. Yes. It's. almost like you said like the boiling. water like gets a degree higher one. degree at a time, you know. Um. >> Yeah. Saying that like as they change. the laws a little bit at a time, you. kind of wake up and you go this has gone.

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energy. It's also just, you know, uh. you're not getting things aren't uh. getting handled well. >> And no one there's no accountability. It's like a bad relationship. >> Yeah. >> You know, it's like something someone. doesn't do what they said they're going. to do and there's no I'm sorry or or. want to change. >> Yeah, I agree, dude. It's definitely. gets. >> But you love I still love California. >> Yeah. >> You Oh, I just realized this is my. second time back in like about 3 months. Um but I was here like about two weeks. ago and I do miss it more. I just miss.

some of the energy. Like I live in. Nashville now and there's just less. energy there, you know? It's it's just. different, right? You know, like here. you can meet more people. There's more. like things going on. Um. >> but you're in a great spot where you can. do both. >> You can enjoy your time here and you can. enjoy your time here. >> Yeah. So, it's been good, man. Um. >> the what did I see? Oh, Chicago, you. said uh are you a Bears fan or no? >> I am. Yeah. >> Yeah. Dude, [clears throat]. Williams, bro. >> He's he's really great for like four and. a half minutes a game. >> That ice. Yeah, I mean if you look at.

that NFC, we barely beat the Packers and. the Rams barely beat us and then and. then obviously right then they lost. Those games were all so close, but it. was exciting because we've been so bad. for so long. It was it was good to be. good. >> We were channeling through the TV. We. were like screaming like, "Is somebody. make this happen?". >> Who do you Who do you cheer for? >> I'm a Saints fan. So yeah, we've had a. [clears throat] tough time. >> Do you know Do you know some of those. guys? I like the Saints organization. I. like Mickey the the GM. >> I never met Mickey. He's a great guy. >> Is he? >> Yeah. Yeah. He's good friends with. Hayden.

>> Oh, he is. >> Yeah. >> I wonder if I have met him then. Um No, I haven't met. >> They had a good year. They turned around. this year. Yeah, they did. >> Everybody's excited about him. Yeah. >> Who just had a baby? Bring up a picture. of his baby since we'll. >> we're since I'm a fan of there. Cam. Jordan's a great guy that plays over. there in that organization. >> Yeah. He just came out and said nice. things about your quarterback. >> He did. >> Mhm. >> He's uh. >> Cam Jordan's nasty. He's fast. Yeah. He's a great He's a pass rush all all by. himself. >> I would not want him chasing me. I. wouldn't even go knock on his door and. run off or whatever.

>> You wouldn't want him coming and saying, "I moved to the neighborhood and I got. to register.". >> Yeah. >> Yeah, [laughter] dude. >> He ain't going nowhere, bro. You ain't. getting away. >> I'd be like, "No basement now and get it. over." No basement. Nothing's keeping. you safe, dude. >> No seller doors are [laughter] going to. keep you safe. >> Um, do you do you wish when you look on. that on that uh There he is right there. I know he's had a baby. Congratulations. QB1. Um, >> do you when you look back at that Bears. game, do you think that they do you wish. it would have gone two on that moment? Like just that momentum was there? It. was amazing to hit that crazy pass. >> that to tie it up and then we had that.

last drive. All we needed was a field. goal, >> but we got, you know, was it was the. same kind of thing a lot. We lived and. died by the sword all season. Yeah. >> So, I I thought it was a fun year. I. would have loved to have won the game, but there's a lot of pieces to be. excited about. >> Yeah. Just that confusion at the end. like how does they not know which way. the guy like as a fan I'm sure it's way. more complicated as a player, but as a. fan, you're like, how do you guys not. know what the this is the most crucial. moment? >> I know. I don't know what happened. there. I've heard different stuff. I. don't I don't think anybody does. >> And then it's almost like was everybody. just so cold they wanted to go home.

There's a little bit of that energy. [laughter]. >> Yeah. >> Because I think that happens a lot where. you're just like, "I'm so cold. I just. want to go home.". >> Yeah. You think it was be advantage for. them? They'd be more used to it. But you. never know cuz some of those guys could. be from Louisiana playing on the team. It's not like all of them grew up in the. cold. >> Oh, I from everywhere. >> I wish that teams had their all the. players from their state. I think it. would give us so much more of like a our. state versus your state. It used to be. more that way with college, but it's. that's in a in a crazy place now. Yeah. The college game, >> it's gotten bad. >> I think it's good people are getting. paid. I just don't think they figured it.

out yet. >> Yeah. I think we're in like the kind of. the wild west years of it. >> Yeah. >> Um do you the the Bears might be moving. their stadium. Did you see that? >> I saw that. >> What do you think about that? >> Well, I'd like to see them stay. Um. >> but I think they got to they got to. figure something out with the state. I I. haven't followed it too closely. What. What do you know about it? It seems. like, and Zach's a uh one of our. producers is a um. >> Bears. >> He's a Bengals fan, but he's he's in the. no. Uh it seems like it's because time. is ticking for Illinois lawmakers to.

make a better offer for the Bears on. Thursday. Indiana pushed legislation. forward that clears the way for the. Bears to build a new stadium in Hammond. >> Um is it just because they're willing to. give them more money? I haven't I I I. think it's something to do with. economics obviously. So I don't know. what. >> I think there's a big tax incentives to. go over to Hammond, Indiana. And. Hammond, Indiana isn't exactly like the. coolest place. So I think there's some. people upset. >> It's close though. It's right over the. right over there. >> Yeah. And it's Chicago has such a vibe. in that city. I think people seem to be.

like why leave? But. >> and also if you move something to a new. place then there's going to be so much. surrounding. You know what I'm saying? They can put in all types of other. things to go on. >> I mean I like to see it. It's the It's. the uh It's the second oldest franchise. in the NFL. The oldest is the Cardinals, which is from Illinois originally before. they went to St. Louis. Cardinal. Yeah. Well, it was originally the Illinois. It. was Chicago. It was It was from. Illinois. >> It's the old That's the oldest team in. the NFL, the Cardinals. So, they were. from Illinois and then they went to St. Louis and then they ended up in Arizona.

>> They're like a senior citizen. As you. get older, you start to move warmer and. warmer, right? They follow the they. follow the moving habits of like uh. someone who's retired. >> Oh yeah. >> But the Bears the Bears were such a the. Bears are such a crazy uh you know. George How. It's so crazy that it's only. the NFC trophies named after him because. he was really the he was the first one. to get a college player to play for the. NFL. The Galloping Ghost. Did you know. that? >> Well, originally pro football was just. farmers and you know there was no no.

well-known names because there was no. money in it. And college football was. real popular, but going to college was. even harder back then. And. [clears throat] so when you'd come out. of college, if you had a degree, you had. a real opportunity to earn money. >> Oh, you you would go work like I'm not. going to go screw I can't go screw. around and be. >> bunch a bunch of these rednecks and I'm. going to go play football and no one's. watching. So he played for the Yankees. He was a baseball player. He went to Red. Graange from the University of Illinois. and he said, "I'll give you half the. gate. >> if you come on a barntorming tour. We'll.

go play places." And then people showed. up, they'd go watch the they go watch. Red Graange, who was a big-time college. player. And so when they got Red Graange. to join to play with the Bears, they. knew if they could get the college guys. to come in, the fans would grow. And. then the college guys were more open to. it because you could pay them because. you'd get the fans to fill up the. stadiums. >> Wow. >> And then when they first did it, >> whatever college you were from, you. would play for that local team because. the college would already be a fan of. you. The people in the area would be a. fan,

>> right? So let's sell tickets that way. So that so then you and then they. started the draft after that. But but. George How did everything he was a. player, he was a coach, he was an owner. He beat Lombardi as a coach in his. heyday one year. He he coached the team. and did well. But he started so much. that's in the NFL today. Papa Bear, he. was he's really the the probably the. most important figure in the in the NFL. So it would be George House. It would be. a shame and he's from Chicago. So it. would be a shame to see that that team. leave that city with that history. Yeah, for sure. But I hope they I haven't.

really looked into it, but I hope. they're able to figure it out and and. come to terms that that that uh work for. everybody. But he's a he's an amazing. figure in sports and they named the the. NFC trophy after him, the House trophy. >> Bring up that Red Graange picture. Thank. you, George House, for your efforts. Look at Red Graange. >> The Galloping Ghost. Well, that's the. other quarterback you could make the. argument for is Otto Graham. He was from. Lockhee, Illinois. When you look at him, it's crazy. I think he won, I could be. wrong, but did he win seven.

championships in 10 years as a. quarterback? I think he played for the. Browns, right? >> Graham. >> But here's what's interesting about him. >> He went to Northwestern. He hit he was a. he he had a 300 batting average in. college and that's when everyone played. baseball cuz baseball was the only way. to make real money. It was king. >> And he played basketball in college. And. I think he won what would be an NBA. championship. He was like the sixman on. a pro team. So he won a championship in. professional basketball, hit 300 in. college, and I think as a quarterback,

did he win seven championships in 10. years, right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Is that right? Is that crazy? Think. about that. And and and you know, everyone wants to say the goat the goat, but you can't really compare era to era. You know, Jordan said it's hard to say. who the greatest of all time was because. it was different rules at different time. and one person learns from the next. person. So Otto Graham dominated his. era. Obviously Brady dominated his era, you know, and this guy. So, it's so hard. to compare era to era who was the best. I think sports always want to sell you. now. >> that you're watching the best ever.

because it sells tickets. Who doesn't. want to feel like they're watching the. best product ever, right? >> But it's a totally different game than. it was back when you could hit a. quarterback when LT played. >> Oh, yeah. >> So, I'm not saying that it's it's not. better that they've changed it. I'm just. saying it's hard to compare one. quarterback from an era to another. >> Well, they never had turf toe when we. were growing up, >> right? >> Remember when did they come out with. that? >> I don't know. [laughter]. >> You know what I'm saying though? Like. you would never hear a guy has turf toe. You would hear a guy toe was in pain so. he carved it off with his nail with his. wife's nail clippers on the way to the.

stadium so he could still play. >> That was Ronnie Lot, right? He took his. finger off. Yeah. >> He ripped his finger off so he could. play. It's a different era. Yeah. >> Yeah. Let me see that. >> That's the thing I always marvel at. [laughter] Crazy. >> Ronnie Lot ripped his finger off. He's. like, I'm going back in. That's a. dedication. >> That's not a hobby. But you know, that's. what I always think is crazy when you. hear about boxers. What's the longest. boxing fight of all time? It used to be. like 27 rounds. >> I think someone fought 100 rounds. Am I. crazy? Could you jump rope for 100. rounds for three minutes? No way. What's. the longest fight? >> I mean, it's probably the one in Gaza.

right now, but I'm. >> That's true. [laughter] That's true. That's true. >> Um Andy Bowen and Jack Burke. The. longest boxing match in history is. history was 110 round bout. >> cuz they used to fight until someone. couldn't answer it. >> But at the end, were you just whispering. heavily at each other? Like how? >> I bet you're in the bathroom a lot. I. don't even think anyone saw it. Oh, >> but so that's the thing that's crazy. And they would fight like look how many. fights these guys had. These guys would. fight like 10 times a year. Now they're. fighting twice a year. >> That's how many fights did did Sugar.

Robinson have? >> Did he have like 300 or something? Isn't. that crazy? >> Yeah. And now a guy will have maybe 30. >> 30. >> cuz they they they know they space it. out. But how do you compare these guys? How many fights? What was his record? I. can't see. >> At the end he was 174 in 196. >> So just about 200. What? >> Isn't that crazy? >> Oh my god. Sugar must have been stevia. by the end of that. Dude, [laughter]. >> he had the aspartame beat out of him. [clears throat]. >> You don't think he ever had he probably. had a turf toe? He didn't have a name. [laughter].

>> He probably had a turf head at a certain. point, dude. That's so crazy. >> But the difference was. >> it's unbelievable. Why do you think. someone could be like that? >> Well, this is the stuff that they're. not. But this is it. I remember when my. dad grew up and he'd go to the farm. where his dad was because his parents. were divorced. So in the summer he'd go. work the farm, but they didn't have any. running water. So he said when they. would bath, [laughter] they'd go down to. the creek and fill up the thing. with water, they'd boil it. And then dad. would bathe, then his older brother, then him. But that wasn't that long ago.

Yeah. >> So if you go back then, everything took. physical strength. Like just moving. around. No one was sitting around. playing Mario Kart in between games, >> right? Your thumbs were the strongest. parts of your body. >> So you were always like just doing. anything took so much energy and. strength. you're using your muscles. every day. So, I think they train. smarter, they know more, but there's. more downtime and less strain on your. body doing daily tasks. But back then, these guys were just getting from place. A to place B was exhausting. Yeah. But I. don't know how you could fight 110. rounds. I don't know if you could do.

jumping jacks for 110 rounds. Yeah. >> It's so crazy. How did they do that? >> Remember, they used to have 15 round. fights and then they went to 12 cuz they. thought 15 was too much. >> So, I don't know how to compare. How do. you compare someone? How do you compare. someone from that era to this era? It's. just a different time. Impossible. It's. a different sport. >> And also they say like the diet has. gotten better and we have bet like if. all these things have gotten better, you. think that they would be able to do it. more. But then part of it probably has. been that the commercialization of it. has come in and like well let's only.

have it be here so we can have the. viewership and have the sell the tickets. then. So that could be part of it. >> or understanding safety. Back then like. you said they wouldn't even know what. turf toe was. It was just you moved on. >> Oh every other person had a glass eye. When I was a kid, every other person had. a glass eye. Like if some guy was going. to I remember at the at the fair or. whatever when the fair would come, you'd. have a guy that would sit there and have. a hat full of people's glass eyes. You. like you'd set it and therefore you went. on the ride. >> They put their eyes out cuz they don't. want the tilt war. >> or Yeah. people that had one. They like. >> they leave their eye in the bag. >> They live in a little basket or whatever. like basket for eyes and loose change or.

whatever. >> That's an exciting hometown. I never saw. that. >> Get it when you come back out. But you. have four of them in there at a time. You know what I'm saying? Like people. >> It' be tough on a date. There'll be some. rides you couldn't go on. [laughter]. >> Yeah. >> Maybe we're not going on the tilt world. Yeah, honey. >> Honey, let's go on the Let's go on the. What's that one that goes up real slow? Ferris wheel. >> The ferris wheel. >> Yeah. Isn't that the slow one where you. kind of sit at the top? >> Oh, yeah. That's. >> That's what you're not going on that. salt and pepper ride where you're. >> No, that was. >> going up and down. We used to do that. with friends. We'd dare them. We'd go. have like hot dogs or hamburgers. And. then at the end, you dare someone. Can.

anyone eat all this for 20 bucks? And. someone would be desperate for money. So, they'd be like, "Fuck." We'd all. kick in. They'd be like, "I'm going to. have a shake. I'll eat those chili. fries. as I'll finish that chicken. breast sandwich and then you'd say, "Okay, another 20 bucks if you go on. that salt and [laughter] pepper ride and. they'd lose their shit." But. yeah, I mean it's it's a different It's. so weird. I also think the food might. have been healthier. >> Oh, >> cuz remember they went through that. whole stuff with the oil, seed oil, and. we know it's bad for you, but they went. through a whole thing saying you should. cook with that, but back then people.

just cooking with butter. >> Yeah. >> I think the food was health that was. more natured. up food in some ways, >> dude. strong saliva dip spit. People. would cook in it. You know what I'm. saying? >> Did you start dipping young? >> Uh yeah, cuz I used to work on a farm. So we would uh chew the club the like. the block of tobacco like we. >> like red man. >> Yeah, like the um. >> would you do like skull wintergreen like. the circular one? >> No, no, we plug tobacco. >> So we all we had a thing. Yeah. So we. did like. >> plug. >> When I first started as a kid, we didn't. know it was that bad for you. They knew.

smoking was bad, but you would think. this wouldn't hurt your. >> Then they started showing pictures in. the school of people missing their jaws, but Oh, yeah. >> But but originally you thought it's not. bad for your win, but it was all like. the skull winter green, like the the. circle stuff. >> Oh yeah. >> And then but the red man was the leaf. But the first time you do it, you're. going to vomit. >> Oh yeah. I puked out of my friend's. mom's car. >> Older kids are like, "Here, try this.". >> Yeah. And they will watch you. vomit. >> Were you in a car and he. >> Yeah. [laughter] I sat out of each. window. I was like, "Oh, maybe I'm sick. just at this window." And I sat out of. each window and puked out of each. window.

>> There's no way to keep it in more than. two or three minutes. You're on the. You're on the ground. It was the worst. >> Still makes me sick. It was. cherry skull or something. >> Do [clears throat] you remember the. first alcohol you got really drunk on? >> Yeah, dude. Of course. So, I remember. climbing up a shelf in my brother's. closet. I found pornos. They had pornos. up there. And. >> that was a surprise. You weren't. expecting that. >> It was a lot of surprises. [laughter]. This one shelf I'd never been to. They. had a little stack of sals. You were a. You were a ground barrier and he was. putting up high. He was a mountain. hider. >> Oh, I'm like, "Oh, this is where things.

are up here." Yeah. >> And I got up there and I remember this. kind of like And I found liquor up. there. >> Yeah. What What was it? >> Alise, it was called. It was like a um. pretty more of an urban lour, I think. Bring it up a bottle of it. It was. considered an urban lour right there. [laughter] The orange was so. >> Have you ever had it since? I've never. had it since. >> See, that's how it is. I My first drunk. was peppermint snobs and I never touch. touched it again. I think the first time.

you get really drunk, you never revisit. that. >> Yeah. >> Ever. >> Ever. >> But the first. >> How did you do it? Were you playing. quarters or were you just drinking by. your Were you with friends? >> No. >> Were you by yourself? >> Climbed up there. >> I remember drinking and then watching. porno or whatever. And then I. >> You had It started off as a fun. afternoon. >> Horrible. [laughter]. But here 30 years later, it's still it's. still been an issue, you know. >> Did you just go through like what, like. a quarter of a bottle or a couple. glasses? >> I think I had four sips, jerked off, and.

then blacked out. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Woke up with the with. the evidence all around. You didn't even. clean up the crime scene. >> Woke up Yeah. with my glass eye and a. hat. >> Yeah. >> Friends were over here. I'm pissed that. they left the house. >> Yeah. Mom, can you believe some kid came. over here, jerked off on my stomach, and. drank some of this and left? Mom, times. have changed. Um, with your new movie, if you could go uh Mike, Nick, Nick, and. Alice. Yeah. >> If you could go because your character. kind of goes back in time to make. something different, right? >> Is there a time if you could go back in.

time that you would go back to kind of. like I know it's a general question. It's kind of whatever, but. >> you know, it fits with the film, man. >> Yeah. >> And it makes you think, what would you. go back to change? Because I think it. used to be people would be like, I go. back and stop Hitler. I do go back and, you know, I go back and help Napoleon or. do whatever, you know. I think you would. >> or I'd go back and like be in, you know, Jamanji won or whatever, right? Right. But then now it's like people I think. would do individual things like I'd go. back and you know buy a a Bitcoin or. something. You know. >> it's more realistic, >> right? >> It's a crazy thing to think you're going. to go and be the one guy to go.

to the king and tell him to shut the. up and no one else is. You know. what I mean? Like people always like. that. It makes me laugh, right? I go do. the Oh, would you have? Yeah, maybe. >> Dude, I'll go back and tell him. Yeah. Obviously no one's walking up to the guy. and saying, "Hey, Hitler, calm down.". [laughter] You know, I'll be the guy. That's hilarious. >> Have you thought about in your life what. you would do? >> Yeah, I think I would go back maybe to a. certain time probably and uh I think I. could have been better like in this one.

relationship I was in. probably. >> that's a great that's a great thing that. you feel that. >> but but I I would say to you I I have. had those thoughts but then I realize. you have to travel down every road you. travel down and you don't get to learn. those lessons without making those. mistakes and so you're kind of in a good. spot now. >> you're very reflective you think about. stuff and so maybe if you hadn't gone. through those things not that you want. to you know get hurt or hurt anyone but. sometimes you got to go through those.

lessons and So like what we were talking. about earlier where I said you can ask. for those things now you got to take. that knowledge and bring that to your. new thing. >> Yeah. >> And maybe you think if you went back but. normally the person you were dating was. sometimes had their own lessons to learn. and that's why you found each other. >> and you can romanticize like what if we. were each different people but you. weren't and hopefully you're both better. people from the experience. So, I think. you can not go back to that, but you can.

take the lessons and have something. great now. >> And I don't know that you would have. been in that relationship with that. exact person if you were a different. person at that time. >> There was probably something with her. going on too that that drew you guys. together to teach each other that. whatever that experience was. Make. sense? >> Yeah. Yeah. No, it it does make sense, man. Yeah. I think there's just like a. probably an it's almost like an ego part. of it once I think about it now from. that. It's like, yeah, you just wish you. could go back and love somebody. differently. >> I love that. But [clears throat] you can. love that person different now. And it's.

okay, Theo, because you weren't you you. how would you have known that unless. you're going through it? >> It's like kids, you know, sometimes you. take something away from a kid and then. you see him cry. >> You know, if you're just playing with. toys, you go, "Oh, that that doesn't. feel good." But I don't know that you. can learn that without seeing the. response of somebody else. >> Yeah. >> Do you know what I'm saying? >> Yeah. But I think but that's the thing. with nostalgia is you can get excited I. think. >> about doing those things the right way. now. So you your nostalgia because you.

look back at those you don't want to. hurt anybody. You wish you could have. played it out differently but it played. out the way it was supposed to for where. you and that person was at. And also. it's our ego. We're not that powerful. Right? Like sometimes I don't know if. you've ever suffered from this, but I I. could really get caught up in trying to. help friends and then I realize I use so. much time and energy and I'm really not. that powerful. Like I can't want them to. change in the same way that I probably. had people try to help me and I wasn't. ready to change. So you really can't get.

someone to a place that you think is. right for them. You can say it once, you. can, you know, you can encourage them, right? You can give them grace and be. there for them, but ultimately you can't. really make that kind of a big shift. with them. >> Yeah. >> Have you found that? >> Oh, yeah. For sure. You think you can or. there's times where it's like, "Yeah, I. didn't try this enough or something like. that." But yeah, yeah. I couldn't. >> because I think we're hurting. And so. when we find better ways of doing. things, we want everyone to have that. >> Yeah.

>> And I don't know if you felt this way, but but I don't know. Yeah. I had to go. through a lot of it on my own, you know, like I had to learn those lessons and. figure it out when like the cavalry. showed up and saved me. Not that I. didn't have good people in my life. No, but. >> but everyone does. They have to go. through those stages, too. >> Yeah. Yeah. You have to see something. that like surprises you enough or you. have to sometimes you have to hit a. level for you that's like this has to be. different, you know? >> Right. >> But yeah, you can't like you can offer. suggestions. You can kind of show. somebody. You can lead by example. sometimes. And I think you can reflect.

on times when you handle stuff in ways. that you feel good about. >> Yeah. I don't do enough of that. sometimes. >> But I bet you have a lot of it. >> Yeah. Probably have some good ones. Yeah. >> Yeah. Some really good. And as you get. older, don't you think more and more? Yeah. >> And so that's that's what's in front of. you. And so that's why I would say the. nostalgia is I like that for myself too, but I realize at some point I have to. take those things and really try to do. it with what's in front of me now. And I. think you can have that exact. relationship. instead of saying wasting time on.

saying, "Well, I'm older now. I should. have started this younger." You can say, "I know these things now and I'm going. to start it now and I'm going to get a. great experience based on the things I. know." Cuz the other just takes you in a. place where you're kind of not allowing. it. >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah. Yeah. I think. it's making sure that you're learning. from the past, you know? >> Yeah. And then you feel excited for. what's in front of you. And you can't. really go back. And that's the thing. with stuff. It's like you got to look at. it and learn from it. You can't But then.

at some point you got to move forward. >> Yeah. >> You know, it's like anything. It's like. a set. What did I do right? What did I. do wrong? What should I have done? But. at some point, you're good to move on. and go to the next set. Because if you. just dwell on that set, you can get. stuck in it to the point where it's. counterproductive. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Do you have a process for that of. dealing with. >> Oh, for sure. Yeah. Do you have a good. process now that you feel good about? >> I think it's gotten better. Yeah. >> I think even having conversations like. this are probably helpful to be honest. about it, you know.

>> Same for me, too. >> Having things that are like reminders. and be like, [gasps]. >> Yeah. And that's that it's Yeah. >> And I think you can take the things that. you've done well at that in your. professional life and apply those same. principles to our personal life. >> Yeah. >> Or try to. Um, >> but I don't know that I would go back to. answer your question because, and I. don't mean if you would asked me 10. years ago, I would have said, "Oh, for. sure." Cuz I'm not saying there's not. things I didn't handle really bad. Yeah. >> Or things I regret.

>> Of course there is. But I think I. couldn't change those because I don't. know that I would have come out as. >> different or stronger or at least more. thoughtful if I hadn't gone through. those experiences. You got to walk down. every road, I think. So, >> I like the idea that I could go back, but maybe you up some other. >> Yeah, dude. Yeah, that's a good point. Oh, I think. >> I just maybe would push the lesson till. later. [laughter]. >> If I still make some of the same. mistakes. >> It's not like, you know, you get you get. better at it. I find that the time in. between the mistakes is longer,

>> but they never go away all the way. >> And your reaction to them and giving. yourself a little bit more grace, but. yeah. and making sure you don't go down. and making sure sometimes that you don't. like maybe hurt other people as much, you know, you know, or or just like that. >> I could you're very thoughtful. I bet. you don't do that very often. >> You're more respectful of their feelings. anyway. Not like actually hurt somebody, but uh. >> but I know what you mean. Hurt doesn't. mean physical necessarily. It means that. you made someone feel unloved or. unwanted or underappreciated. >> like a bruised banana or whatever. >> Yeah. But you know, there's also a thing. with being funny and connecting. It's a.

weird thing cuz I really enjoy teasing. with friends sometimes. And. >> yeah, >> we if someone showed any weakness, we'd. kill you until you didn't until it. didn't bother you. >> Anything that bothered you. That was. going to be the topic of jokes until you. got over it. >> It wasn't our job to make you okay. >> That's a good point. >> You had a And I think some of. that was good. Oh, dude. It was the. best, bro. We would Everybody. would pick on you. Everybody But. everybody got it. You would all deal. with it. And now everything is now it's. more like bullying. Dude, I saw two. Whimos bullying a Kia Sarrento.

on the way here and I was like, "Nobody's helping this guy, you know, or. whatever. This female, I don't know what. comedy." We were just brutal. >> Oh, so much. >> And if we knew it bothered you, it would. it would never stop. [laughter]. >> So, it was a weird concept to me where I. thought, you're not making fun of each. other. >> Yeah. We were just communicating. Even. animals call each other names, I bet, a. lot. >> Yeah. >> You know, we just won't know it. >> Yeah. They're at least signaling that. they're not into what they're doing. Yeah. >> Um, but your character has to go back in.

time. Just I do want to make sure that I. talk about your movie a little bit more. and then we'll get you out of here. Um, and thanks so much for your time today, man. >> No, it's great to to hang with you. I. enjoy listening to you and appreciate. appreciate you. So, it's fun to get a. chance to sit and talk with you. >> Well, same, man. Thanks for all the. entertainment and uh inspiration and. like Yeah, just so much good humor over. the years. Thank you. >> Back back at you. >> Um, yeah, your cuz your character goes. back in time. Not really to help himself. though, kind of. That's right. Well, isn't it to help himself in a way like. >> Oh, that's a good point. >> He doesn't love the way that he's.

handled stuff, right? >> And he realizes the pain he caused. >> Well, you don't think that's what it's. for in the beginning kind of. >> That's fair. >> You kind of get Yeah. Like you get that. as it goes along a little bit. I don't. want to give away too much of it because. there's there's moments in it that were. very like a surprises to me. I was like, "Oh, >> there's some good twists." Yeah. >> But I think the concept's right and I. think all of us hopefully are that way. I don't know. I think people are happier. when you're thinking about others more. >> And I don't say that in a like a kind.

way like I'm great. I mean just it's a. as a general feeling. You feel better. when you are thoughtful of others and. connecting with them than when it's all. about you. >> We never had friends like that. We. wouldn't hang out with somebody that. would talk about themselves all. day. >> Yeah. >> Would you? >> Well, they didn't even have it as much. back then. >> No, you wouldn't be at the You. wouldn't be included. Nobody wants to. hear about it how you're great. No one. wants to hear how you're killing it all. day. It's so weird. But you know what's. I find now like parents do it with their. kids. It's everywhere. Me. It's so.

crazy. It's just in general I think. there's way more of a It's odd because. you're mirroring the one hand that what. we were talking about with this kind of. uh better than now. But on the other. hand, it's really kind of about. ourselves more. It's a weird cultural. moment. >> Yeah. Well, it's like we just see so. much reflection of ourselves, you know, and we don't have a lot of time to. integrate. That's one of the biggest. things I noticed. It used to be like. you'd go see a movie or you would read a. book or you would read some pages of a.

book or things like that and then your. brain and your heart and stuff would. have time to integrate stuff, but now. it's like we'll get on our phone or. there's a there's a next thing, there's. a next call. There's so much connection. that you're not really processing. You're just. >> Are you good at downtime and processing? >> I'm getting better at it. >> That's great. >> because I want it more. I start to. realize, oh, there's so much peace in. this thing, you know? It's like, yeah, there's just it's almost there's nowhere. to hide from the electronica. It feels. like sometimes these days, you know, >> for sure. I could be guilty. You get. stuff, a game or something that you. like.

>> Yeah. But your phone, a game, a TV, another screen there, an advertisement, whatever, you know, even just a little. Chinese guy that's just telling you. something, you know, it's like it never. ends. There's just like a lot of. information coming at you. [laughter]. Um, >> do you have a good group of pals and. people that you connect with and hang. out with a lot in Nashville or here? Or. is it more like everyone's in different. locations and you hook up? Yeah. >> But I got to do a little bit better. I. think I need to branch out a little bit. more. I know good people. So, I think. sometimes I have to. >> But I like my alone time. Do you?

>> Yeah. But it can be isolating for me, too. >> Sometimes that's I like to recharge. I. like that. And then I do like to hang. out. Yeah. But I'm not someone who wants. to hang out four days a week. >> Did you feel a responsibility? Because. you did those you did that um swingers. when we all go to Las Vegas. Yeah. Yeah. And did so did you ever feel like a. responsibility to people that were going. to Vegas? Like some guy that got like. ghb by a hooker or something and it's. like I'm here cuz of V, you know what. I'm saying? Did you ever feel any like. you ever lay in bed at night and be like. how many guy like how many dudes are. laying without a kidney in an ice bath. right now? No. I always looked at like.

storytelling in comedy like you know. there they're there stories like. campfire stories. Same with comedy. So, uh, they're not like how-to books, but. people treat them that way. >> Yeah. But it's crazy. It's like, you. know, I remember like when I would. watch, uh, you know, you know, fun. movies, they were escapism. But I never, we were never so dumb that we. were like, "Oh, they're telling me like, I got to go out and risky business. I. got to go get some hookers and.

get into Harvard." You know what I mean? Like, they were they were having fun. with. >> they were having fun with what was going. on at the culture. So, like in that. movie it was the mom and dad are like, "You got to go to Harvard. You can't. have a party." And he's like, "I'm a horny teenager. I'm. looking to I'm looking to mix it. up like I'm living right now." And so. the the idea of that was the thing that. was a problem saying, "What the fuck?". And running hookers as a pimp for the. suburban kids. That's actually the thing. that got him into Harvard, right? It's a. crazy movie. But we never were like, "Oh.

yeah, there these guys are my parents. and they're telling me I better go. start a brothel out of my. basement." Going back to. basement. It's like, no, it was. escapism. It's fun. So like Swingers is. a is really about, you know, a friends. helping a friend get past a breakup. >> Yeah. >> And uh but you know, who wants to watch. perfect people? These are people that. have some good, some bad, and that's the. journey of the story where you go. through people and you get to learn from. what they did right or what they did. wrong. If you go back to like even the. Bible or Greek mythology, some of these.

morality tales, it's like someone does. this and here's the consequences of it. They're not all stories like everyone's. doing everything right. Most of these. human stories are someone made a. decision based on ego or what was. important in the moment and they paid. the price, right? >> Those are important stories. >> Yeah. Well, there were Yeah. Like moral. tales like Asups fables they had when I. was a kid. Like they had different. things like that. I wonder if they still. had that stuff for kids cuz there was a. lot of stuff that was like kind of. common in culture that was where you.

would learn things from. But yeah, if. you watch Forest Gump and you go out and. break both your legs so you can. >> try to run across the country, [laughter] you know what I mean? >> Then then I guess you're like Forest and. some I mean I don't but like I never. took that serious. It's like where the. parents at? >> Yeah. >> You know, it's like same with albums. When we were kids, they started putting. these warning labels on an album. >> Oh yeah, parental advisor. Remember. that? >> It was like Tipper O'Neal or something. They were put like these. >> it's a parental advisor is a black and. white. >> but that would make us buy it. >> Yeah. >> It's like let me hear that. unhibited.

Let me. >> Right. Parental guidance. But like as. kids we weren't like when I was. listening to NWA. This wasn't like a how-to. manual. >> Yeah. >> I was digging someone having a strong. opinion. Yeah. >> Unapologetic from their experience. I. was like, "Fuck, I want to let me let me. listen to that. That's fun." But. we were never so dumb. Do. >> you know what I That's part of the. problem that they make it. I was like, everyone's so stupid that what. if you see, you know, any like any kind. of movie or story that it's somehow.

encouraging kids to do it. It's like, shut the [laughter] up. >> I'm going to listen to rock and roll and. watch some people make some bad. decisions and laugh. You know what I. mean? Like when did that become a thing. where like like if you do a set you're. funny, I hear your You're not. >> lawsuits. That's what did it probably. People sue for a thing probably. But. yeah, if you got so attached, you're. like, "Oh, I believe this now. I'm gonna. >> like when you do your sets, I and I. enjoy them." Sometimes you're going. further with a point of view to to to. get a point across. You're not hoping. you're reaching some 8-year-old.

kid. >> to go follow, you know what I mean? You're like, >> "Right." Yeah. That's all a bunch of. >> You're being entertaining and fun. And I. think we there's a place for that. I. think if anything, that's what that's. what got in the way was that everyone. started to put these things under a. microscope. Like I don't know. Like when. we were kids in school, if I if we go to. the auditorium and they would give us. like a safety film on bicycles, we just make fun of that all day. long. Oh, if. >> I'm not telling kids to go out and, you. know, uh but everyone's got to assume. whatever risk you want to take. Like.

everyone's different. You got to you got. to decide are you going to cross the. highway. >> because you want to get to that candy. store and try to dodge the cars. No one. should do that. Yeah. But everyone. everyone everyone ultimately is going to. make their choices. Yeah. And there'll. be people that do and people that don't, you know, >> right? >> But yeah, >> but how do we. >> I saw a bike video and I was like, first. of all, I'm never wearing a bike helmet. because I understand it's safe. I know. it is, but I don't want my children to. see me in a bike helmet because. >> it's culture. >> My son and I would never be able to make. eye contact.

>> I mean, now have to. We don't know what. the that was. And in a way, I think. it kept us in some ways. This is But I. felt like I was safer cuz I could try to. jump that. Yeah. Yeah. But there ain't. no way I'm going to jump back. >> Do you know what I mean? Cuz the helmet. >> Yeah. >> Like we knew I may I may get some. scabs and and hit my face. if I put like, you know, a wooden board. on two things. >> But I'm not doing five cuz [laughter] I. don't have a helmet. You know. what I mean? Like it was. self-regulatory. If you got me all.

Michelin man and dressed up, I. might try to go back like evil and try. to jump the Snake River. But I. I'm just saying like entertainment and. stories, you know, I think have fun with. it and you should watch it. But I mean. really, what what percentage of the. population thinks that it's a how-to. book? >> Yeah. Who's And by the way, do we cater. everything. >> to the excuse me, [laughter]. naive kid who's looking to jump on any. story he he sees? Like that's the way to.

live his life. >> It's kind of what we do. That's kind of. what we've done anyway. And hopefully. that's kind of correcting. can't watch. Dirty Harry cuz you think you can just. go [laughter] shoot a criminal. without talking to him. That was Escape. You're like, "Yeah, that motherfucker.". >> You know what I mean? Like you like it. as a story. >> Yeah. >> But that's what it was. >> Yeah. But I think everyone kind of got. that more. Like I wasn't listening to. >> No, but I wasn't listening to rock and. hip hop and. >> right? But I think it was lawyers that. did it. They're like, "Oh, this is this. is what happened.". >> Or the dogooders. Maybe they meant Well,

>> right. But don't you create a whole. other series of problems? Because if you. can't express those feelings through. movies and songs, where do those. feelings go? >> Yeah. >> Like if storytelling and standup or. movies isn't the place to express. podcast, >> if we can't express ideas there or. feelings, what do you do with those? They just you can't have those feelings. It's crazy. >> Oh, I think one day a smile will be in a. museum when you go to see it, you know? [laughter]. >> I really hope. >> I hope not. I don't think so. I think I. I think I don't think I hope not. No,

you don't. Ultimately, I know you don't. believe. >> I don't think I really That's. >> You think there's a warning of, >> right? I think we're getting close, >> but we're going to push against it. >> If you want to see feelings, you have to. go to a museum. Oh, this was happiness. Look, children, >> I think these kids sometimes I think. there's a place for for I think it's. good. I'm not saying it's all. >> Yeah, >> the pendulum always goes too far in one. direction. I think it's good to have. skills to talk about stuff, but it's. always a little bit like this. Like if. you have a breakup with a girl that's. bad and we're friends, I'm going to. clear the decks. Our other friends are.

going to do it and we want to hear. everything you got to say about this. breakup and we're going to give you our. perspective and we're going to really. focus on it. And that may go on for a. week, but after 3 weeks, you're not allowed to talk about it. anymore. There's nothing else to say. We. got to drop it and move on. >> You got to get in a new bad. relationship. You know what I mean? Like. we can't keep talking about that. >> Yeah. And so I think what happens. sometimes is we're indulging talking and. exploring it. There's a time to do it. You need to do it. But at some point if.

you're always bringing up the stuff, you. just kind of stay depressed. >> Yeah. >> Like there's a process to digesting it. and then there's a process of pushing it. away and trying to get into something. new. But if you're only focused on it, it just doesn't go away. >> Well, you're kind of getting addicted to. self-pity too at that point in a way, you know, >> or you're just always living in that and. it's going to make you sad. >> Yeah. Yeah. And that's I think that's. something that's kind of like been like. kind of a societal just a weird to tour. that we took in society of like you know. that there's something always wrong with. us, you know.

>> Well, who isn't there something wrong. with? >> Hopefully everybody as you get older you. start to go my god everyone's a little. nuts. >> Yeah. >> Like we're all holding it together. >> But if you see people by themselves like. there's no one you would be like that. guy's like at home living. You know what. I mean? Like everyone's got that's. crazy. >> Oh hopefully. >> Hopefully. Dude, the best thing is. imagining that people are at home just. you know, putting lips. >> Urban Laor. >> Yeah, >> some Urban Laor and hopefully some. French magazine [laughter].

>> club, I think it was called. Le Club. >> Um, your movie comes out on Hulu March. 27th. And um, and Oh, Jimmy Tatro is in. it. His character is hilarious in it. Yeah, he's a great guy. >> He's good. Yeah, he's funny. >> He's a cool guy. and um. >> Asa Marsden. They're all good in it. >> That's the lady in it. >> Yeah. >> Oh yeah. She's real Foxy. >> Yeah. >> And then the other guy, James Mars, >> that plays Mike. >> He was cool. Yeah. And he's good actor. Yeah. >> He's good actor. He did a good lot of. good facial stuff and like a lot of like.

>> Yeah. He He's like good-looking, but he. also is entertaining. He reminds me of. Rob Low a little bit. >> That's interesting. I could see that. Yeah. Handsome guy. Likable, >> right? But also like not just being. Yeah. Not just being handsome. >> Yeah. Um, Vince Vaughn, thanks so much. I think it's great to sit with you. >> Nope. Yep. Yeah. I'm excited for the. Bears next season, man. We'll be. cheering them. >> Cool. Is that your Is that kind of my. adopt? >> Just cuz we grew up so much. I grew up. there watching like, you know, like the. only baseball teams that existed were.

like uh. >> Cubs and Braves. >> Cubs, Braves, Cardinals though, like. collecting like dominated Aussie Smith. cards. >> Coleman. >> Yeah. Oh. Uh, >> Vince Coleman. >> Vince Coleman. Aussie Smith. Who else? >> They were dominant. Cardinals were. always dominant. You ever hung out with. Mark Grace before? >> I met him. >> Yeah, he's a great [clears throat] guy. >> He's the best. He has the best stories. >> Yeah, he's a hell of a player. >> Oh, he was so good. But those were the. times. Andre Dawson, all those guys, Scott, Cliff, Greg Maddox, just. that was like the there was like only. three or four teams that existed. It. felt like they were popular. They had.

personalized, but Cardinals have been. good forever. They're always find them. lately. Not as much, but they've always. been dominant. Cubs, as you know, was a. long story, so it was a big deal when we. finally won. Oh, >> yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. When you thought of all the. >> Are you with the Titans at all? Um, I. wish they would grab Diego Pavia for the. same reason that we said that he played. at Vanderbilt. He crushed it there. I. think. >> How fun was that kid to watch? >> So much fun, >> dude. I love that dude's spirit. I loved. watching that boy play. A kid from my. high school played played wide receiver. for him. >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. Younger than me cuz he's playing.

now, obviously. It's not like not like. some 50-year-old had some eligibility on. [laughter] his ears. >> Well, they'd probably give him. >> Hopkins. His last name was Hoskins. I. knew Richie Hoskins. I knew his sister. real well, >> bro. Richie is a dog. >> He was good, right? >> Dude, he caught a couple He caught some. passes that only he could catch, bro. >> Yeah, there he is. >> Yeah, they hard worker. I knew his I. knew his his aunt would would have been. my grade and was a nice cow. >> But he played for him. So, I watch I you. know, I got my high school puts out a. lot of really good athletes, people that. still to this day, Lake Forest High. School, public high school in Illinois,

and a lot of a lot of people do well. But, but this was this was exciting year. >> for Vandy. And that quarterback, >> Diego Pavia. Yeah, >> bro. He was like this. >> I'm going to go to his Oh, he's like. that. >> Come and get it. Yeah, he was super fun. to watch. >> Is he going He's going pro now. Is he. done? >> Yep. He's training right now down in. Tampa. >> Where did he transfer from? >> Um he transferred from um uh New Mexico. State and then before that New Mexico. School of Minds. I think he could have. gotten one more year actually, but. >> he's going to strike while the iron's.

out of camp. >> He's already in. He's already going in. >> He's not tall. Well, that's the They. came out and said that and was like, "So, you're telling me he did this great. at not even the same height as some of. these other guys?". >> It's true. Sometimes Sometimes that. motivates you to get better at Well, Brady was that in a way, right? He. didn't hit the prototype. >> Yeah. >> And made him work harder. I mean, being. tall wasn't his thing, but they also. made it like But he obviously Sometimes. the thing that they label you as a. disadvantage makes you stronger because. you have to work harder. Yeah. >> But that dude's a winner, bro.

>> He doesn't. That's the thing. Who do you. want to bet? You want to bet on somebody. that wins ev every time you can't. academic school in the SEC at. Vanderbilt. [clears throat] I mean, you're playing. >> big time football every week. When's the. last time Vanderbelt was in that. position? >> Never. >> And so, the fact that this kid was a. part of that with a lot of other great. players and did that well. That's that. intangible quality that has to mean. something. >> And that's the. >> that's the that's getting lost in. this evaluation. >> Yes. Always in everything. It's like. stupid. >> Yeah, it There's a place for it,

>> but not all not the whole thing. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But anyway, I'm glad we all got that out. of our systems. Me, too. >> Um, dude, thanks. Yeah, I appreciate you. too, Vince. Thanks so much, man. And, uh, we'll check it out. Um, everybody, it's on Hulu March 27th. [music]. >> Cornerstone. Oh, but when I reach that [music]. ground, I'll share [singing] this piece.

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