Retired Police Officer | This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von #421

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um they. they are real stories that uh this. police officer went through and so we. want to leave them in to honor. and get the experience of what their. life is like. um if you have. a problem. um hearing that sort of thing if if uh. graphic content. um. some of it can be sexual in nature some. of it.

um is just contains some violence then. this may not be the episode for you I. just want to let you know that in. advance. uh thank you guys so much for the. support. today's guest is just a regular police. officer that's who he is. um and he also he made his way up to. detective at some point and he's not a. media figure. um he's not a. uh. uh you know some gun puppy or you know. you know he's just um he's a he's.

someone who served he's someone who has. uh protected and served to the best of. his ability uh he spent 20 years on the. force or forces. um in the Los Angeles area uh we're. grateful for his time today just to. learn what it's like uh today's guest is. a detective and officer retired Mr Brad. White.

[Music]. sit and tell you my stories. [Music]. [Applause]. dude thanks so much for your time man. absolutely yeah really really appreciate. it uh yeah I'm excited to learn about so.

you've worked as police police detective. detective and an arc I was a Narcotics. no you were a narc I was in Narcotics. for a while oh dang bro dude they would. always accuse people of being narcs when. I was young yeah yeah yeah absolutely. it's 21 Jump Street yeah oh I remember. one time like we went in the woods to. smoke some weed or something and like. um it was like where you put the pin to. get the can and put the little holes in. the can and then you put the weed on.

there absolutely and right when I went. to like hit it like uh I breathed out. for some reason or like kind of Snee or. like coughed and it blew all the weed. out of the bowl and just onto the ground. absolutely and people like you're a. [ __ ] Gnar you know people call me a. narc I think somebody yeah I think. somebody [ __ ] hit me in the back. um but anyway so uh so as an officer. we're going to get in uh like you've had. a pretty crazy career we're going to get. into it as an officer take me say if I. go on or like a ride along with you.

right your first week on the job. we go on a ride along when you are a cop. okay what's that like. uh you're saying that it was my first. week yeah I'm just trying to put myself. like it right like right there in the. past okay. um well first off the first week of the. job the first time that they actually. put you out in the car by yourself you. know I was 21 years old so I remember. driving out of the parking lot and you. know getting ready to pull on that. street and I'm in full uniform you know. I got a shotgun I got a gun I got a. police car they're basically going out.

saying going out and do what you got to. do and I remember the feeling of it just. going these people are [ __ ] nuts you. know this is crazy I'm 21 years old and. and you know I'm in this uniform and. they're literally sending me out to to. do what cops do so it takes a little bit. I remember at the starting it took it. took a while to get used to you know. it's a tremendous amount of power oh I. can't imagine it that reminds me of even. this when I got my first car and I'm. driving off I'm like okay I'm leaving. home I'm just it's me out here I can't. imagine if there's also weapons weapons.

shotguns whole whole crew guys out there. with you they're gonna back up whatever. it is you do you know there's a it it's. pretty substantial for a young kid. especially at that age I can't even. imagine yeah too young 21's too young. yeah my belief is 21 is too young I. think I think there needs to be a little. bit you need to be a little further in. life but you know I mean they pull them. as early as 21. so wow so you're rolling. out there 21. you got the guns you got. the Weaponry you're cruising are you. like is there part of it is it. excitement too is it just fear what is.

it uh you know there wasn't a lot of. fear a ton of adrenaline a ton of. excitement um you know you've already. gone through a long process the academy. where you've been you know gone through. a lot of training and seen a lot of. scenarios and heard a lot of stories so. uh you know when you first get out there. and you get on the streets uh it's it's. pure adrenaline I don't ever remember I. don't ever remember being initially. scared okay my fear wasn't really a. factor. it was just too big the group was too. big there was too much I mean you got a.

gun for God's sake you know you're going. out on your own so what music do you. listen to like what song do you put on. that person yeah you know uh actually. none I didn't when I got into narcotics. when we would go to search warrants we. would always all the guys would wear you. know headsets on the way to the to the. location we always listen to our own. music I. I listened to uh for scenarios like that. I listened to Dan zigg mother I don't. know why but that was a big one for me. because his children yeah. just yeah just the lick itself but I.

actually would listen to um My. Generation you know I would listen to a. lot of the Easy E six in the morning oh. yeah you know stuff like that stuff like. I yeah yeah. police at my door okay so you're out. there someone you're right on your first. week what's does it get kind of wild. your first week what's that like no it's. just getting used to it you know just. kind of figure out how it's done again. it's a tremendous amount of power and. and everything's new I mean I can. remember being 21 years old going to the. domestic violence calls and you know you.

haven't even had any domestic violence. in your own life I didn't even have a. girlfriend yeah at that point I didn't I. didn't know anything about relationships. but you would go into these situations. where people were in turmoil you know. and there was real problems and they. would look at you and go you know what. are you gonna do what are we gonna do. and I remember thinking my mind like. well I got no [ __ ] clue you know. would you ever call your mom be like Mom. what should I even do no I never called. my mom I never call my mom now I. probably should have but you just kind. of wing it you know it's it's really. changed the way I look at everything. those scenarios because there was a real.

expectation like I knew what I was doing. wow especially being young they just. because you're in that uniform they. think that you know what the next step. is as far as solving or the situation. and and you really don't for a long time. you wing it you know within the law. there's all kinds of statues and laws. that you all follow but when they start. asking for advice or or you know. it's crazy the expectation that you you. have a clear understanding of what to do. in any given situation wow and the. situations vary yeah so it must be crazy.

so like a lot of times you were when you. encounter someone they need they're. having the worst day or it's their they. need help it's like the look in their. eyes it must always be one of like Panic. or fear or yeah generally you're dealing. with people's worst day no matter what. it was you're never going to a scenario. where people are happy and things are. going well it's always bad situations. even it's as simple as a ticket you know. for some people tickets are humongous. ordeal oh yeah dude you get a ticket. dude I remember I got three tickets.

before I went to court for my first. ticket. so I got my first ticket I actually got. my first ticket on the way to being. sworn in in downtown L.A it's first time. I ever drove in downtown L.A and I made. an illegal U-turn I ended up getting a. ticket even showed the guy the paperwork. saying I'm getting sworn in I'm I'm one. of you guys he still wrote me a ticket. and we got to make those quotas yeah. that's what they say. um so tell me like one of the craziest. things that kind of happened out of the. gate like something that's kind of wild. um. the the first time I witnessed someone.

die. um wow which is in 20 years there's been. quite a few of those um but the first. one I ever watched was a I got a radio. call I was very young I got a radio. calls in the LA area and it was with a. subject with a gun and they gave us a. description and when I pulled up the. location it was like a like a waffle not. a waffle house but like a chicken place. or something and I saw the guys out. front based on the description it was a. kid wearing a red puffer jacket.

and as soon as I pulled up on the kid he. bolted so. um chase him a little bit with the car. as long as I could eventually he started. cutting through businesses and so on so. I'd go out on foot we had a foot pursuit. that went on for a little bit I chased. the guy through you know some parking. lots and so such and the kid ended up. running into the street I believe it was. me it was right at Manchester and. Gramercy and the kid ran right out into. the street without checking traffic and. he got hit by a car I was I don't know.

20 30. then the probably not even that far. probably about 20 yards behind them so. it was right in front of me the he was. hit at full speed it was it was it was. brutal it was brutal the kid um he was a. mess you know and it was the first time. I ever witnessed someone die wow yeah so. and so are you at that point do you are. you still like in pursuit or at that. point it immediately you recognize oh. this is a bad attention now this has. changed. um there's just a lot of Dynamics to.

that because there's a lot of civil when. you're a cop there's just a lot of civil. liability and no matter what you do you. know what I mean even in a scenario like. that when you're when you're going after. someone that has is in the commission of. a crime the fact that they're running. from you and you are chasing them it. puts you in some kind of civil liability. for it that that I realized at a later. time at that point because I was so. young. it was just it was overwhelming I mean I. couldn't even talk you literally had to. stop and and I lost my breath I remember.

losing my breath and not being able to. to breathe for a second just because it. was just. it was incredible you know it probably. happened like that like that and it was. brutal and it was and you just you just. don't even know how to react you know. it's it's. unless people come out of their shoes. when they get hit like that yeah people. do come out of their shoes no way people. come out yes people come out of their. shoes people um I can traffic accidents. are probably some of the most simplistic. horrific things that you experience for. sure.

and so when that guy gets hit do you. have to go render a then do you there. was no way to be rendered on this one. but yes yes I can give you a lot of. examples of having to render Aid in. situations that were. um you know an example being another. simple thing that you respond to a. drowning in a pool you know we I I went. one time to a kid that had drowned in a. pool and you want to talk about Panic. you want to talk about. um adrenaline is you get a radio call. they give you an address and I'm old. enough now I'm retired when I started.

there was no Google Maps there was none. of that basically it came over a radio. you had a little pad of paper in the. middle of your car you wrote down the. address real quick you had a uh Thomas. guide yeah I remember that yeah [ __ ] and. 50 000 page Thomas how many pages in. there and then someone somebody would. steal a page yeah well they wouldn't. steal them out of European right they. would stealing like a public life right. now I can't go to seven square blocks of. the city like even if I want to right. these ones we would mark up and tab okay.

so that it was a little easier to access. okay you got a little bit of like filing. in there but you want to talk about. having a heart attack you know I'm. trying to find this and realize this is. a situation that's time is of the. essence but you you would get to these. you would you know lights and siren the. adrenaline's pumping you're going You're. hoping and making a wrong left turn or. something and finally getting to the. home. and in this scenario I'm telling you. about it was a child very young had. already been this it was deceased when I. got there for whatever reason Panic.

whatever no one had gone into the pool I. think the scenario was the mother. couldn't swim. so she was on the uh the steps standing. there you know got rid of the equipment. I could jumped in the water got the baby. out of the baby was very obviously gone. um and but even in that scenario. I remember administering CPR just for. the Optics of it yeah you know just to. show I'm doing everything I can because. you want to talk about. pain and panic you know you talk you you.

you you observe a mother which is. another thing that was that was frequent. in in. very difficult to deal with is watching. that pain and panic so I remember giving. CPR to a child that was clearly gone. until the fire department got there and. they usually take a while because we're. on the streets so we get there really. quick any 911 call comes in goes to the. police department they dispatch a cop. then they call the fire department and. they come because we're yeah and fire. department you got to get eight guys on. the truck it's so hard to get eight guys. to do anything you know if you've ever.

been to Vegas or whatever you know it's. like you try to get guys to go do. anything it's like nearly impossible. um. wow man oh my God Brad there's so many. moments in there of like you've gotten. this child out of the pool you were like. now almost returning this child to the. mother in a way I mean physically you're. bringing you know like. the the they expect you to be able to. solve it is there any of that. essentially yes there's hope you know.

but it's really it's the Optics it's. just I'm doing everything I can right. those kind of situations the panic and. the pain is so overwhelming and that's. something people don't take into. consideration in police work it happens. a lot there's a lot of I can tell you so. many scenarios like that where where you. know you're you're doing everything you. can even though you. there's just not a lot you can do right. you're just you're just a human yes and. but what they don't teach you at least. they didn't when I started. um in the Academy number one killer cops.

of suicide really number one killer cops. is suicide they didn't have a gun yes so. you're halfway there if you want to gosh. guy we had a guy that was in the police. department right next to us. um I ended up getting into his car and. with his the duty shotgun blew his head. off right before he went out for the. shift was supposed to start but the. number one killer is cops they never. tell you that they never talk about. mental health I went through the entire. Academy they taught me how to. put on a tourniquet heal a sucking chest. wound they taught me so many things but. they never made one mention of how to.

you know how to work with your own head. wow you know they never said suicide's. number one killer cops I think that's. changed I know it's changed but it's. getting a lot better. um but at that point there was no. mention of that and these things. accumulate I'm giving you. one portion of one day oh I can't. imagine especially like you know like I. grew up with a lot of childhood trauma. and um and a lot of people have right. and it's really common and. um and that is tough enough to deal with. in regular life as it comes up later and.

you realize there's ways that it affects. you as an adult right yes I can't. imagine. um. whatever traumas you already have are. things that could have happened in your. past and then you're now just engulfed. in this you're like a do you feel like a. damn for trauma for people like do you. feel like a reciprocal for me yeah. because there's so many things and then. you just have to go on to the next call. is there. um it depends you know people don't take.

it it's just there's no way to really. understand all the things that you. experience just in the shift right let. alone over a 20-year career especially. if you're working different assignments. I could tell you so many stories if you. could. ask questions I'll think of something. I'll tell you a story that Jules go like. holy cried you know from the simplest. thing of. uh I had a I had an old lady that was at. a church meeting at El Torito El Torito. in Whittier and she ended up collapsing. she had a heart attack. um and we got the call we get there and. by the time we got there there's a bunch.

of old women that are in a circle and. they're oh y'all betting on her probably. well they're doing I think it was. they're doing tongues you know they're. uh praying in tongues and all kinds of. craziness going on but no one's doing. anything and I remember giving this lady. and at that point we had these. respirators where you could it's like a. bag with the thing goes over the face so. you don't have to put your mouth on them. well I had ran in and forgot it because. it was in the trunk so this is another. woman that I gave CPR going back to more. CPR stuff and she ended up vomiting in. my mouth where my mouth was on hers in a.

way that it forced past my throat. so I vomited immediately when I came up. off of her on top of her. the entire scenario in itself now I. laugh about it when I tell the story. yeah. but it was just traumatic man the whole. thing was just for my late ended up. passing they transported stuff but the. whole situations I'm giving you minor. ones you know right well yeah I'm sure. she vomits into you you vomit into her I. mean I think that's a honor yeah that's. a wedding in some countries I feel like. you know I don't know what some of the.

rituals are but I think if you're in. like Laos or something that you guys are. you guys are hitched uh but she she so. she came back at that moment and. survived for that moment uh fire. department got there apparently had a. pulse when she left so I was feeling. pretty good but I found at the end of. the shift that she had passed but um. there's so many so tell me give me a. call like give me the first call where. you have to go into a play like what's. it like when you have to walk up with. your weapon out that has to seem crazy. because then you're like saying okay I'm. in control it gives other people a sense.

that you're in control of everything. um I guess it does things have changed. you know things have changed for law. enforcement when I first started I. started right at the right at the Rodney. King time okay that's that's right when. I started so when I got into law. enforcement and I I was a rookie. things were starting to change they were. you know people people want the World. Police they just don't want to know how. it's policed that's true and as with.

technology there's come the ability to. see more of what policing is and at that. point with the Rodney King thing. things started started to change in law. enforcement they started to change the. process because police work was really. hard to look at. you know I mean and that dissemination. of that information wasn't very. prevalent because you didn't have. social media podcasts and all the. different things that we have now so. when I started it really started to. change as far as how we address things.

you always hear people complain about oh. he gave me a traffic ticket when he. walked up to the car he had his hand on. his gun. you know and and that is that is just a. routine part of your training is that. you you have no idea what you're walking. up to you walk up to something you pull. someone over for speeding and you walk. to their car you have no idea what. you're walking up to you don't know who. it is you don't know what they've done. you know know where they came from you. have no idea what's going on yeah yeah. we had an officer that did a traffic. stop and there's a body in the trunk oh. wow you know he didn't even he gave the.

ticket and left the only reason we found. that out is he got pulled over again. they found this ticket going this guy's. got pulled over an hour ago and they. ended up finding the body in the trunk. so the first guy didn't find the body no. oh no so the guy thought he got away but. he got pulled over again. um but the whole gun concept of it is is. things happen fast man these happen fast. you know you you you you'll die in a. hundredth of a second you know people. don't realize that that's how you put. your hands on on the steering wheel yada. yada all the the things that we say for. our safety and there's this expectation.

by the public of if someone comes at you. with a baseball bat high as a kite. sweating shirt off crazy you know and. the expectation of the public is is well. you got to get a baseball bat and you. got to fight him with a baseball bat. right it's got to be fair you know you. you shot him all you had was a baseball. bat and for me guys that are cops you. hear that and you just go that's insane. do you really have an expectation me to. get a baseball bat fight yeah you know. I'm not here the only thing a cop's. trying to do is trying to stop the. situation he's trying to eliminate the.

threat right if there's some dude roving. around with a baseball bat I think you. gotta take him out the game. depending on the scenario like anybody. if you're in your home and someone. breaks into your home you still have. enough someone breaks in your home in. the middle of night today you still have. an obligation to prove that you were in. fear for your life. wow so if there's some guy standing in. your bedroom and you wake up and you. look and there's a guy standing there. and you grab your gun and you eliminate. the threat you're still going to go to. court and they're still going to try to. prove that you were not in fear for your.

life. who's going to try to prove that is that. more lawyers or is that more the actual. criminal because he doesn't want to go. to jail. um it's going to go it's just the whole. process it's gonna go to the detective. detectives can take it to the district. attorney District Attorney's gonna take. a look at make a decision is this. something that we is good did this guy. violate the law was he justified was he. justified shooting this individual so in. that process they'll look at it you know. where was he shot was he shot in the. back was he shot. which there's an argument for that. someone breaks into your house you see. them you're scared they take off running.

you chase after them with a gun. and you end up shooting at them and the. living room as they're going back to. work. you're all sudden you're up for murder. it's a good point you know yeah and and. there's the whole thought process of. that is I don't want this guy to leave. what if he comes back I'll never be able. to sleep again you know what I mean. there's no justification on your part. it's clear this holiday season you know. if you're looking for a new gift that uh. that will inspire somebody and help. broaden their life and Branch their life. out verbally then you want to look at. Babel that's right Babel is the language.

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tough to get a CCW you go to Texas it's. a lot easier yeah and the logic behind. that is. um like I personally believe I know the. big debate right now is guns no guns get. rid of guns ships best ship has sailed. right. right and if we did do that we said. bring all your guns in the only guys. that bring their guns are guys like me. yeah you know the bad guys ain't. bringing their cars no so that ship is. completely sailed so the idea for me is. I feel like we need more guns I think we. need more guns and good people's hands. wow so how do you know then do you like.

do like how wouldn't you say good people. and do we need all types of guns like. you see these young kids or you know a. lot of these School shooters you see. people getting guns like these uh. high-powered rifles and stuff I for me I. feel like if you haven't served. with that gun like militarily I feel. like you shouldn't be able to have. access to that gun right like because at. least then there's some you're at least.

putting in the hands maybe of someone. that has some semblance of a purpose. knows how to use it I guess I don't know. for some reason that helps me a little. bit think about that kind of stuff but. to think that like someone needs an. assault rifle like a 20 year old it just. seems that seems crazy to me you know. what it does to me too I I'm not I'm not. a gun guy. um since I retired I've got some guns. that my dad had since he's passing the. safe I got my one gun I carried on duty. I don't have any more uh obviously a lot.

of cops are gun guys a lot of guys have. AR-15s you know you name it mp5s all the. way down I don't I don't see the. necessity for them again you're going. back to the problem the problem is is we. can't get rid of them because all we'll. be doing is taking them from the good. people right and now we got a whole. bunch of and when I say bad people. just people that would use that gun. in a negative way right you know in the. commission of crimes or whatever so. again that ship has sailed I I'm not a.

hunter I can't imagine killing anything. I even have a hard time fishing you know. I just I'm I'm not that guy. but their justification always is. hunting is it necessary no but I mean. it's a waste of time the ship sailed you. know we just have to deal with what we. have now there's no collecting guns not. in this country yeah I agree it seems um. it just seems almost like a Battle Cry. that people it almost seems like people. didn't use it to just incite like it's a. nice dream yes but it's just unrealistic.

and also this country was kind of. founded on somebody pulling a gun on. somebody didn't have a gun I feel like. maybe I don't know I wasn't there but if. like like troops pulled the guns on the. Indians and then I just wonder how much. of that really goes over through time. too you know well I think the big. argument for gun nuts is is that it's. the government you know I mean to never. allow that situation to happen again. where this power that is policing us. that makes sense too can inflict their. will on us well that makes sense too. especially now with like social media.

platforms like people you can't even say. certain things yes so people's voices. have really been I'm not saying they've. been deceased because we have a voice. here today but they've certainly been. corralled. um and earmarked with expectations I. feel like uh so at that point you can. have a really tough time if people don't. even have their voice anymore to take. people's guns you're just gonna have a. tough time doing it it's just a. conversation it's a waste of time right. it's like it's it's all it's across the.

board all those conversations the the. big conversation now and racism wouldn't. that be wonderful if we could end racism. but we're never going to yeah it's. always going to be here so we need to. that cry needs to change it needs to be. of individual accountability that's the. only that is the only path that we have. is individual accountability yeah you. know there's always going to be bad. people you know yeah what is that is. that your phone or mine yeah it is it's. okay do you need it to be on no I don't. know a few minutes ago it made that. sound it made me nervous I thought I had. a damn Life Alert bracelet so that I.

forgot about Life Alert. um so tell me this tell me about let's. we'll get back into some of this stuff. man and it's really interesting and. thank you so much for for sharing your. inside information and just some of your. Insight you know pleasure. um so taking on some of the drug stories. because that's the part that seems kind. of crazy and we ever roll up on some. people and they're just yacked out of. their brain bro and it's that late night. hour you know maybe just some hookers. lurking or something like because I've. been there myself so I'm just wondering. how we I've never had it where the cops.

show up you know so I'm just wondering. what there's that weird Edge though. where you're like damn a cop you know. I've had um. in narx and out of Narcotics I'll give. you a patrol one uh very early on middle. of the day I remember it was hot it was. summer we got a call about a individual. in the middle of an intersection naked. so uh we drive down to the intersection. and we're talking about a busy busy I I. started in South Central busy. intersection. middle of the day. huge huge dude in the middle of the.

intersection butt naked covered in sweat. damn going in circles which was causing. in the middle of the intersection people. to slow as they were going through so. what he was doing as they slowed he. would run up to their car and try to. dive through their window or break the. window out oh wow and people would panic. and take off and leave. um this was back when I started and PCP. was a big deal Los Angeles yeah and. based on what I saw that's pretty common. guys on PCP to shed their clothes and.

was it a uh was that more of a drug some. drugs are for certain are used more in. certain communities was it more of a. black community drug a white community. drug is it more of a poor drug a rich. drug. um. Buzz black community Hispanic Community. again I can't I can't I know that's not. definitive but yeah but the problem with. that for me to tell you I'll tell you. what it was and that's what I. experienced the neighbors but I I. started in a black community I was in. South Central and I moved on to Whittier. which was a Hispanic community so those. are the and there was Whittier was a.

little more mixed but predominantly. Hispanic so my interpretation of any of. this is just what I experienced I can't. tell you much more oh I see what you're. saying got it so yes it was very. prevalent in the black community at that. time they used to smoke shrooms yeah. that's what I would hear I've seen it on. movies and stuff they would feature that. on movies I remember crazy wow that [ __ ]. was crazy and that [ __ ] really died off. it died off quick by the time remember. they marching or dancing was there any. kind of like fluidity to it was it like. capoeira kind of or was it like just. like a maniac like a wrestler coming.

into the ring like was there any [ __ ]. maniacs wow yeah completely totally out. of control completely and totally being. for being conscious they were totally. incoherent wow there was no reason with. them and they were extraordinarily. strong that drug would bring out. extraordinary strength yeah so when we. pulled up and I recognized as I saw. there obviously there was a situation. where there was a. threat to the public because this guy's. trying to get into cars and people are. still trying to pass they're still. trying to go through the intersection. even though there's this naked you know.

dude in the middle of it so what I end. up doing is just driving around this guy. in circles clearing this actually with. my lights and siren on and all that. noise and lights and the confusion kind. of kept him in the middle it kept him in. the middle he would walk a little bit. but I would I kept doing these circles. and tell more police officers got there. and the good thing about Los Angeles is. that when you call for help there's so. many neighboring police agencies. sheriffs LAPD yada yada that they're. there quick and a lot and we had a lot.

of police officers quick so we end up. doing is getting out of the car and kind. of circling this guy well now it's on. because there's not a lot that we can do. and this is back in the day when we. didn't have a lot of really efficient. less than lethal stuff right I mean they. used to issue saps which is crazy sap is. a it's a it's a little clether Club. bring it up Zach let's look at it yeah. it's a little leather club that has sand. in it that sole purpose was just to beat. on somebody wow and they police uniforms.

had a little pocket in the back of the. leg and you put the sap in there they. even had sap gloves where you put them. on and have the sand thing which Looking. Back Now yeah there's all kinds of. different examples of a sap those things. hurt yeah those things are brutal and. they're Compact and they were very. effective if they were using the right. scenario it totally outdated they're. totally gone now we've found much better. ways. um to address situations but back in the. day that's what they gave you and how. long was it how long is this like a. couple feet oh okay you know something.

you can carry on yeah but standard issue. even then it went to the Baton yeah some. people still care baton's becoming. extinct because the Baton is just it's. just the dynamic of the way it looks. being used it's just ugly oh yeah yeah I. agree the Optics of it the Optics is. tough and my friend Chad got a job after. Katrina they were hiring anybody to be. security right because they needed you. know everything was unsecure and. he only weighed probably 95 pounds or. something he was small I think he's like. a premature baby or something or I don't.

know if he was premature he was kind of. immature but he was I guess he was. premature or whatever but he would. probably he probably had seven months on. him you know Jeff stating you know and. so when he said when they gave him that. billy club it weighed him down so much. yeah just because of how strong he was. at after like a week it had like almost. dislocated his hip just walking around. so he had to quit yeah but um that's a. tool that died really after Rodney King. they still have them they still carry. them they still train a lot of them but. it's just bad Optics yeah the Optics of.

that went down after that okay so go on. so anyways we we got this guy's Circle. Bowl in the china shop man yeah yeah. this guy is nut so now the situation is. is that you know again police work a lot. even back then it's Optics right you. know we everyone's watching you right. now so you you not only have the dynamic. of I'm dealing with a guy and if I. remember him he was big and I'm a big. guy and I remember this guy was big and. it was just intimidating and as high as. a kite sweating and he's growling in the. whole thing so this is this is not going. to be a simple situation again didn't.

have the tasers we didn't have. we didn't have those things what about a. net didn't have a net didn't have. there's a lot of less and lethal stuff. that they're introducing now that we. just didn't have it back then you know. and and I guess it was because it's like. anything it's Evolution right you don't. need it till you need it or you don't. need it until whatever you had before is. no longer socially acceptable right. Rodney King pretty much killed the Baton. it really did huh it really did and and. it's it's not a bad thing yeah you know. they found better ways but we didn't.

have it back then so now the situation. was how so we're gonna have to bum rush. this guy we're all gonna have to go go. in and get this guy I actually had this. scenario twice well in police work the. newest guys get the worst assignments. you know unfortunately in that scenario. right there it was a lot of age. different agencies so everyone didn't. know so. I remember the sergeant pointing out. guys that were obviously new. and. they essentially rushed this guy who's. completely naked on a hundred plus. degree day on the asphalt in the middle.

of an intersection in Los Angeles and it. was on wow man I mean it was on for a. while and then then once one guy got. into the ground and everyone gets in and. even when you have you can only have so. many people involved just because of the. space Factor yeah I mean and even with. having five six seven eight nine guys on. this guy I it took 15 20 minutes to get. him in custody you know to actually get. his hands behind us back and get. handcuffs on right by the time that. shit's done you're covered in all kinds.

of [ __ ] yeah I'm sure you know what I. mean you've been out there yeah you're. good yeah and especially when you guys. all go running at him I bet it's like. it's almost like spin the bottle like. the last thing you want to get is the. guy who runs right you know straight at. his wiener exactly be honest totally the. other scenario having that to make it. real quick we had a guy that we got to. call uh someone saw a guy looking. through their win a little girl saw guy. looking through a window oh man keeping. Tom. essentially we get to the house we get. there she shows us the window we find.

the window below the window there's. semen oh so this guy had been looking. through the window at the little girl. and and you know doing doing his his. business yeah masturbating there you go. and so we we ended up looking for the. guy we ended up finding him in some. bushes not too far away again white guy. creepy tall totally naked yeah and his. testicles were the size of a softball. and purple. and what we what we later found out is. he had tied a kite string around the. base of his balls and for some reason. that did something for him but what it.

did do is it made his balls really swell. up yeah it was visible so you got a guy. that's completely sweaty he's not coming. out of the bushes you see he's got big. giant purple testicles that something's. wrong. again god of the officers there circled. it but at that point I was the youngest. this was just our Police Department so. they'd go on in go on in there get this. guy out so what I had to spend about. five minutes wrestling a dude that's. naked with big giant purple balls and a.

kite string around it dripping in sweat. while all my peers and friends were. around me pointing and laughing. literally it was crazy it was crazy and. then at the end of it when I booked him. in I had to cut the string off oh come. on can't put him in the jail cell with. that on like it's a grand opening or. something yeah yeah yeah I actually had. to cut the string off and book it in as. evidence oh man and did those nuts. subside once you took that string off. him uh I don't remember I don't remember. that was the last that was the only.

visual I was trying not to deal with you. know I remember it being very difficult. to get those scissors in there you know. oh cut that thing off can't give him. scissors and tell him to do it it's a. situation where you just can't do that. booking people is booking people was. tough yeah I had a homeless guy that I. booked. um and you have to do a strip search on. everybody no oh yeah you can't put them. in the cell can't put them in the cell. without doing a strip search you gotta. make sure they don't have anything. that's gonna hurt themselves or others. with so every single guy that that you. arrest. you you essentially see the crack of.

their ass oh you see them naked you know. I had a homeless guy where guy I'm naked. and squat and cough and when he squat we. haven't turned the opposite way we have. him squat we have him cough and spread. their butt cheeks to make sure they. don't have anything in their butt oh. yeah and he had heroin balloons all. matted up in his ass hair hmm. where he had obviously put him in there. to hide him oh yeah you know they're. little colorful balloons that's how they. would do the store the heroin they put. it inside the plate of balloons so we. told him take you know you need to pull. those out you pull those out and the guy.

wouldn't do it you know [ __ ] you you do. it you get him out which is a great move. on his part at that point I was a rookie. so I had the assignment of pulling. getting butt uh heroin balloons out of. this dude's butt hair damn that's that. Colombian birthday party dude yeah yeah. that's crazy man have you ever had to. get uh how much drugs can people put in. their butt. I guess that depends on who it is we had. a guys that tried to end the jail he.

keistered a uh racquetball which he had. slid open and put the drugs inside of it. and then put it up his butt a racket. ball what is it a racquetball you know a. racquetball is like this little smaller. tennis ball racquetball you know. racquetball yeah I'm thinking about it's. just not registered they're blue rubber. oh yeah a little bit into his butt got. in his butt wow yeah that's relatively. that's I think that's not relatively too. big from I've seen guys with Coke. bottles that they put in their guy put a. coke bottle in his butt but he it was it.

was open it was an open Coke bottle but. when he put in for the suction when he. tried to pull it out he couldn't get it. out oh it formed a suction issue so we. had to transport this guy to the G to. the hospital to have it in an emergency. room surgically removed oh man that'll. make it switch to Pepsi huh but also. that's like that sir Galahad or. something what's the one where they try. to pull the thing out of there yeah. Sword in the Stone yeah it's like Sword. in the Stone yeah pretty humiliating. situation tough ride to the hospital I. fell for the guy you know and you can't. sit down that's got to be the worst.

thing you keep thinking you can sit down. and then every time. humiliating imagine having to walk into. an emergency room you know yeah to get a. coke bottle removed from your yeah and. you have to kind of walk in like kind of. yeah I would probably yeah and if it's. glass huh it's glass oh that's so risky. yeah God it's almost like that it's like. um don't wake the baby or one of those I. feel like it has like a real game show. element too yeah that is the most. Japanese game show element to it I've.

ever heard you know I feel like it's the. thing about police work that people. don't realize is that you're. it's this is the craziest [ __ ] you know. it's just you don't realize that people. don't realize that they don't even think. about it they watch the movies there's. an infatuation with police work you. watched all these movies that you see. none of them none of them really there's. a few there's a show called The. Southland which actually one of our. officers wife was a in in the business. and she was somehow involved and and you. could tell that someone knew about.

police work was involved but when you. watch like. training day and you know all the other. stuff they're great entertainment but. people think that's real yeah they don't. know what it's really like you know. that's why these opportunities for. someone like me to come and I have no. ties I'm retired I don't even. I want to do guys right that are in the. job this gives me an opportunity to to. explain you know this is what's really. like. so there's an out I mean doesn't you. just don't you any day it could be. absolutely anything like it's like the.

levels of things. it almost feels too vast it is it is. it's everyday it was I loved the job by. the time I got out I had to get out. because it just it where your life. changes I start I had a child and you. know seeing dead children. um just all the different things that. you experience as life goes on it starts. it starts to wear you it starts to beat. you down that's that's why cops retire. at 50. it's it's you got to get out. mentally you got to get out it's just.

too much it's too much the physical. aspect's not that big of a deal but the. mental is you see everything I I mean I. can tell you gosh I could tell you what. about a jumper you get a jumper. no there was nowhere where I was in. Whittier there was nothing that high oh. yeah yeah Winter's pretty flat I had um. I had a here's a crazy scenario that we. dealt with we had a call middle of the. night of a female bleeding profusely we. got to the house and this dude answers.

the door and he is a tweaker I mean this. guy as high as a kite stereotypical oh. yeah [ __ ] Radio Shack manager totally. shirt off tripping out. just came back probably collecting. copper on his bike and how did they. answer the doors and always like is. there one common way that Tweakers. answered the door like what's up no not. really they don't answer the door. usually they just you see the blinds. open a little bit bam you know you can. see okay they're inside but this guy.

answered the door because he needed us. okay the situation was is that he was. with his girlfriend and they were both. high zakai it's like four in the morning. and when we walked in she's laying on. the floor in the living room and there's. blood everywhere oh there's blood all. over her legs and she's holding an old. nasty t-shirt on her crotch and this. t-shirt is pretty saturated so when we. start talking to this guy in his you. know in his tweaker way he starts to. explain to us that they were. being an emit intimate and um during.

that they had gotten a dildo a really. large. purple dildo and he had taken a coat. hanger on those old school Metals coat. hangers and he had unwounded you know. how when you like if you're doing I'll. cook it marshmallows cooking. marshmallows how you do that well he. essentially made like that but he took. the end of that the Pokey end and he. stuck it into the ends of the the dildo. and then he bent that coat hanger so it. was a handle so he was using that on his.

girlfriend right so he was really he was. going yeah he was getting in there and. doing what he could yeah yeah he was he. was making it happen trying to jump. start that cooch yeah yeah so what ended. up happening was is those Pokey ends. ended up coming through the side of the. dildo so when he was doing it he was. essentially cheese grating her insides. bro I that my I feel like right now my. [ __ ] hurts oh yeah it does to this day. to this day it bothers me I don't even. have a [ __ ] right to this day it hurts.

me you know but so when he described and. when he held that we said where is it. where's the item and when he went and. got it and held it up there was. literally tissue there was tissue that. was on the thing so this was bad this is. a situation it was bad but yeah yeah. that's about as bad as it gets right. yeah do you press like uh. is it like a butt do you press when it. gets too bad no who do you call when it.

gets too bad you know what you end up. doing when it gets too bad or cops have. been doing they end up [ __ ] joking. about it wow they end up it's a coping. mechanism man and it and it it just. happens and I can remember in that. scenario the hardest part in that star I. had been on for quite a while and the. guy I was with had been on for quite a. while as well in that specific scenario. the hardest part for us was not to start. laughing wow you know because it was. right it was just so [ __ ] crazy it. was just so crazy standing in the living. room yeah with two Tweakers one's blink. profusely he's holding up it's got.

tissue. the other problem was is that we have we. have a responsibility to render Aid yeah. you know civil liability is a big deal. when you're a cop at any given time you. can lose everything because you fail to. follow one part of your job description. rendering Aid is one of them so I. remember looking at the guy who had less. time on me with side going now you know. what the [ __ ] you got to do right you. got to apply pressure man and he's got. to do it because he's younger he's. younger yeah you got well he less time.

on it yeah he so I was and. that conversation looking at your buddy. and saying look at you you got to do. this man. the the difficulty and not laughing in. that situation the both of you like your. face and him look at me and going. there's no [ __ ] way there's just no. [ __ ] way I'm gonna do this dude and. you're going no you have to do this WOW. luckily we we were able to we were. having such a hard time dealing with not. laughing that it went on just long. enough that we heard sirens and it was a.

fire department you know and at that. point it's like yeah this is all you. guys man you guys dude that's so. interesting so there must be such bonds. kind of that are formed out there. between cops are there. yeah. um because I would just feel you're. going through such insane situations you. know and it's so interesting that you. guys use humor to cope because it's the. same thing it's the same thing why a lot. of comedians get into things you know. things were traumatic or some type of. way and so they used humor to survive. you know I think it's amazing that.

mother nature uses that as like a uh. like a governor on us you know yeah. where it's like if you get so far you. just laugh I think it's why the Joker. laughs in the Joker movies because at a. certain point he's just so mad yeah that. oh there's nothing left to do but laugh. at it you know pretty much the. situations are so outrageous and like. you said as far as the bonds. please please there is strong bonds and. and I'm married love my wife we've been. together for 20 years we talk about.

everything my best friend my entire. career I never went home and I never. discussed anything with her. literally never discussed any there was. never a good time to come home and say. Hey you know I saw a [ __ ] kid died. today you know all the things that went. on during the day unless it was like. really light I never told her anything. traumatic wow because she's it's just. never a good time you know why would I. want her to experience these these. especially as time goes on these. horrific things so the only people you. do talk about that with are these guys. that you're doing it with and nine times.

out of ten when you do talk about it. later it's just it feels so. inappropriate because you're it becomes. a joke right the most horrific. situations. they become funny you know and it and. anyone else that hears that it's it is a. hard pill to swallow you know it's a. hard for the general public to go why. the [ __ ] are they laughing right you. know what's so funny you'll see. sometimes on TV I'll see like homicide. scenes on TV and I'll and I'll I'll look. at because I'm conscious I'm aware of. this I'll look at the officers around. and you do it for now on you'll see.

every once in a while you'll see two. guys and they'll be horrific murder. scene shootings whatever and there's be. two [ __ ] cops right there and they'll. be laughing wow you know they'll be. communicating to be laughing and you go. like oh dude that's such bad Optics that. such but you totally understand it right. you know the rest of the world doesn't. wow yeah another night of Epic fights is. here it's time to fist up. it's time to stay fisting baby. I'm talking about UFC 282 it's an.

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first month free keeps.com slash Theo. dude there's so much pressure on you. guys like. how what was that kind of like what has. that been like like the pressure that. here's a young man. who didn't grow up with any amazing or. special skills. um. and now they're. in charge of. kind of being a jury at certain times.

being like immediate aid going into. something they don't really know what's. going on half the time that person is. required or expected to have all these. answers. you know and they have these tools on. their belt that some of them are lethal. that they're supposed to use I. Jesus man there's there's a tremendous. amount of training that cops get as far. as all the stuff that you have and how. to use it. um as far as as far as the pressure like. I told you earlier you know number one.

killer of cops is suicide yeah people. have always wanted people want to go to. bed at night and close their eyes and. feel they're safe that's the only reason. we all sleep at night because we think. there's people out there that are. keeping us safe you know there is a. that's a really good point isn't it it. is the second that the police are gone. somebody in your house is going to have. to be at your window which is the. craziest part of what's going on lately. it's hard to watch I've escaped it you. know even after Rodney King there was a. push and I'm down for the push I'm down. for everything always getting better we. can in any in any facet we can get.

better we can do this better but this is. a very complex job that you can't. you can't identify everything you're. going to come in in contact with there's. no way to be ready for everything that. happens no there's just no possible way. in this job right and. a large portion of these things that. you're coming in contact with are life. and death you know their their moment. they're they're brutal you know our mom. walking with her child and saw a car.

coming it was going to run the red light. and she jumped back in the thing and. lost her. well lost her grip on him and he got hit. and sucked up into the wheel well and. you know you get there and there's no. there is no way to properly handle that. situation you know I mean there is no. there's nothing that can be done and. people don't under understand that. aspect of police work you know they ask. a lot of police what I when I watch what. was happening when I watch those videos. of what was going on and you see it you. saw it spray painted all over the acab.

all cops are bad are you talking about. during BLM are you talking about yes. okay yes all cops are bad you know and I. and it was everywhere and there was just. this the concerted push of demonizing a. million people. and we we've never really we have done. that but we don't really do that to any. other profession like we do cops yeah. there's a there's a there's a. ton of bad doctors. oh horrible ton of bad doctors just.

writing prescriptions dude I used to. catch them all the time man Fishers they. would just what do you want. 150 oxy here you go I'm just killing. people left and right you know moral is. all for money. we've never had a concerted effort of of. demonizing doctors because the world. feels like we need doctors but they. don't feel that way about police how. they were saying get rid of the cops. yeah that was insane insane one of the. reasons why I moved over to I bought a. house in Nashville about a year and a. half ago just because I I was pretty.

sure it was a place where people could. carry weapons on their own. so I just wanted there to be. I don't know I know that there's people. that like to hunt and I would rather. have some of them be around sure in case. things get or at least somebody you know. somebody rolls into a diner you know. with a you know losing you know with a. weapon there's going to be seven other. guys in there absolutely we're gonna. find a way to finish their [ __ ] eggs. that morning which is I've been talking. about earlier you know I believe that we. need more it's the only solution we need. more guns and more good people's hands. at all times more ccw's you know I.

really truly believe that's what is CCW. concealed weapons license yeah yeah. Arkansas weapon yeah I I I I that's the. thing well it's funny because it's not. even that is I never even consciously. made that choice really I just said okay. I need to be in a place where I know. that someone around me. can have a weapon yes and I can if I. need to yes yeah it was just a it was. almost like a subconscious Choice really. yes.

um which is the issue with you know the. the way the community the way they've. this concerted effort there's all kinds. of reasons why it occurred which of. course none of us want to get in but. this effort to demonize these good. people I'll be honest man I I'm not I'm. I'm I did police work for 20 years. it doesn't occupy me I don't care I. don't have a gun on me right now I don't. carry a gun because I feel like I don't. need to. police work is not. does not define me but some of the best. people I've ever met were cops yeah just.

really saw and we came from all. different places my me how I got there. was much different than the way most got. we were totally opposite yeah there is a. lot of guys that you see you know like. they probably got their ass kicked. through high school and became cops. but I found the majority of those guys. they were good dudes there was guys that. weren't you know but within police. departments especially now they really. police themselves and and contain or get. rid of those people they don't want that. either right and a lot of cops are just.

really solid solid human beings and and. the world just recently they tried to. turn on them in their entirety they did. exactly what they said that the uh that. is happening to other people they. completely stereotyped a million people. yeah it's crazy right right they yeah. it's like people saying don't stereotype. but then we're gonna stereotype this. huge group of people that are keeping us. safe and now we're less safe than we've. ever been are we really I was going to. ask you that are we less safe than we've. ever absolutely the whole idea of police. work when I started the whole idea of.

police work in its entirety was. proactive policing man get out there and. find crime before it occurs I want you. to shake cars I want you to shake cars. means pull them over find out what's. going on find out what they got up there. I want you to Frisk tickle yes and. there's a whole dynamic to that that's. always in debate of like oh he stopped. me because of this or he stopped me. because of that which is it's it's. really not true but it's too long of an. explanation for that but the whole idea. of police work was is to find the crimes. before they occurred and now what has.

happened with what the demonizing of. police and the way that they have. unfairly attacked them like I said the. expectation is of oh man he only had a. baseball bat and you shot him right you. know it's like what are you talking. about like this wasn't even a. conversation that was stomped down back. in the day that wasn't allowed to go. very far because that's ridiculous right. but now guys are losing their jobs. they're not just losing their jobs. they're going to jail so now literally I. still have my a good friend of mine is. the chief of the police department that.

I worked at now and they're literally. telling police officers and essentially. I only want you to deal with what we. have to deal with so cops aren't out. there doing proactive policing anymore. they're not out there actively looking. for stuff because they're literally. scared that no matter what they do the. world's going to turn on them based on. a video clip yeah you know or a. concerted effort once that video clip is. seen of all these people in high power. positions to have the venue to.

disseminate all this information to turn. on them and say this guy did this I can. give you so many examples which I'm not. but of P of cops being unjustifiably. tried and convicted really on television. on television wow you know where they've. said this guy is a bad person and look. at what he did. yeah take me through one that's. interesting do you because I agree with. you I agree it's impossible how do you. get all of the how do you say all of. these people and I wasn't one of the. people who jump on that you know I'm the.

one of the ilk that it's like yeah maybe. there's some bad guys here maybe there's. some people that are untrained or not. trained well but I'm not I have always. felt like I've had a decent relationship. with police unless I was doing something. wrong and in that time I didn't have the. best time with them you know and nobody. wants to be held accountable even a. housewife that gets pulled over for. speeding I mean I've had I've had women. that look like mothers. completely lose their [ __ ] on me wow. just over a ticket just completely. unreasonable screaming yelling cussing.

don't you got anything [ __ ] better to. do you know there's crimes going on and. yeah and that's just such an ignorant. statement to you know we have to enforce. all laws you know there's reasons all. laws are in place but. yeah. the I'm trying to think of one recently. I don't know if you remember this there. was a there was a scenario right after. the um the big incident that occurred um. where I think it was like in Atlanta or. something it was two cops and they were. trying to take this guy into custody and. it was a drag out fight it was they had. the whole clip I mean they were fighting.

and the guy ended up the suspect ended. up taking the guy's taser remember and. he ran and he turned back and he shot. the taser towards the cops okay. that guy's done there's just that's that. guy is unequivocally the justification. for a police officer to eliminate that. threat is 100 100 unequivocal. because if you are a person take if you. are a person a job a cop's job is to. identify a crime to take that person. into custody and to take them to before.

a judge and to have them processed for. the crime they're not there to. administer punishment I think that's. where the problem with some cops get. some cops get so. somebody spits on your face it's hard. not to react yeah. I've had that my my name is Brad white. my name tag said be white when I worked. in South Central I had a guy actually. come up to me and we were involved in a. scenario where I was investigating crime. and he noticed my name tag and he. decided to go on a tangent about it I.

see how a [ __ ] is Officer B white you. know and didn't even register with me. but I'm like oh [ __ ] no my name is Brad. man you know my name is Brad dude right. you're missing the rad part yeah yeah. yeah dude I I actually got my name tag. changed because of it I just didn't want. to deal with that sure yeah I just. didn't want to deal with that again sure. dude but in in this in the scenario that. you saw with those those two Atlanta. cops I mean there's just. those guys that guy decided that he was. not going to jail right and he was going. to do anything he needed not to go to.

jail and that cop's job is he can't just. go okay [ __ ] it you know you don't want. to go I'll see you later because now. that guy loses his job he has to take. this individual custody there is no. there is no not doing it right because. now if that guy goes and does something. immediately down the street done civil. liability civil liability in the cops. are sued cops are sued people lose trust. in the police department it's just it's. a it's a very difficult Dynamic so those. guys had no choice at that point but. they take this guy into custody and and.

when you're in a fight like that when. you're in a fight where someone's. fighting a cop I remember when I was a. little kid man I knew if I run from the. cops I'm getting my ass beat yeah that's. just how it used to be you know I mean. that's how it was that's my. understanding of what it was but if this. guy is doing all of this to get away. he's capable of anything when you're in. a fight like that as a cop your thought. process is if this guy overwhelms me. he's gonna get my gun and I'm done yeah. it's over so immediately when someone. starts really truly resisting you.

physically a cop's in a fight for his. life. and the public doesn't understand that. right if you're fighting a cop you're. going to do whatever it's necessary. you've already just you've already. demonstrated across that line already. crossed that line I'm gonna do whatever. it needs to get away so at that point. you're going to fight for your life so. those cops were so Justified even though. that guy was running away they started. to chase him when that guy turned and. shot that taser at them there's no. the probability of them knowing that. that was a taser is minimal yeah. absolutely minimal and they put that on.

TV and they demonize those two guys. without any kind of a hearing or any. true information whatsoever and it was. Criminal. it was criminal but that goes on a lot. and if you notice you never heard about. that again. because they they put that to rest. because that was totally justified and. all the powers that be that wanted to. use that for their agenda they even left. it alone because it became pretty. evident really quick once people started. looking at it going like what are they. supposed to do you know what is the. scenario that's supposed to happen there.

well and so how bad is the media in all. of this how about how much have they. become because you know it's funny like. it doesn't even seem sometimes like the. government is the government anymore it. seems like the government is this. [Music]. um. LLC kind of of or Americas like this LLC. of just like corporations and capital. interests and that media kind of. controls a lot of stuff I mean how scary.

is it to you guys because the meaty. somebody puts out a clip some uh some. group uses it to kind of push their. narrative or something like that. um and then you got and then police are. like. what are we supposed to do you know it. almost doesn't leave you a place to do. anything you know is the media like does. it sometimes feel like the media is not. on your side. um yeah man you're going into a whole. thing recently that just seems like it's. to be such a drawn-out topic but yeah. what's going on now I never really dealt.

with again I I never had a scenario. where it was so high profile that I was. dealing with the media on a personal. level and have all knowledge of exactly. what happened. um but it does it it definitely appears. like the media right now is using a. million people. because about a million cops I think in. in America as as a tool as a tool you. know they're definitely using it and and. people don't ever stop and think that's. just a dude that needed a job that got.

into this career that's making a living. that goes home and has a family is just. trying to get back alive and just. dealing with crazy [ __ ] all [ __ ] day. and he's been crazy dealing with crazy. [ __ ] for like 15 years. why are we allowing this why are we. allowing this to happen you know but. nobody wants to be the person that. stands and raises their hand because. that's that's the next guy so yeah I I'm. not a media fan I imagine most of. America is not a media fan at this point. you know yeah things that do look it's. one of the reasons why we've been able.

to start like tertiary immediate things. like this yes you know because. mainstream it was just too. too biased it's so it's bad it's if they. give too the news got away from telling. you what happened and now they give you. their opinion on what happened and it's. based on who that guy is and who's. paying that guy or whatever so and it's. based a lot of times by people that have. grown up in a hypothetical comfortable. type of environment where they've never. really knee you know like they've never. needed a cop really they've never you.

know except to maybe serve like a. divorce paper they've never knee like. they've never really been an environment. where it's like okay this is what life. is kind of really like for other people. you know. um people got no idea what's going on. people have no idea what's going on in. the world again most cops are cynical. and calloused and there's a [ __ ]. reason for it man because you spend 20. 30 years of going and dealing with the. world [ __ ] every single day you really.

start getting convinced. world's [ __ ] up man this is a bad. place you know I I had a young. through my process I had a baby and I I. still to this day go. how could how could I how selfish was it. for me to have a kid how selfish is that. I know what a [ __ ] world this is I know. what he's gonna face I know what could. possibly happen I know what walks the. Earth. it was so selfish I wanted a kid so bad. I did it for me and I never even took. into consideration.

what I've done I've he's gonna have to. who knows what's gonna happen to him. well I'll tell you one thing that could. happen to him if you're a good dad he's. going to look up one day at his dad and. he's gonna love his dad so much and he. doesn't get to do that if you don't have. him. so that's pretty cool yes yes. yeah yeah and I'm not judging what. you're saying I'm just kind of sharing. another I'm trying to share something. that makes you think positively about it. too I'm sure it's amazing being a dad. but yeah I could imagine that you're. like what what am I bringing somebody.

really into because this world to me is. tough this world is ugly this world you. don't like I said you don't know what's. behind this door cops every day get. invited into people's homes Uninvited. yeah you you have never been in the home. besides a party where people didn't want. you there we would go every day into. people's homes that didn't want us there. and they had no choice so every day. we're walking into environments that. normal people don't go into and is it. weird right when you walk in like where. do you stand in the room that's what I. always feel like sometimes I'm looking.

at costume like it always seemed like I. don't know where like what I stand here. would I stand here it's it's there's so. much training even in that aspect as far. as tactical advantage and how you stand. gun leg back you know always being they. teach you to watch I would went to so. many Behavior Analysis Cloud courses. where they would teach you based on the. way people sit during interviews if. they're telling the truth or the way. someone's acting when they're sitting of. what could possibly occur next and. everything's tactical cops do everything.

for a reason like they 90 of the time. they'll want to bring people out of. their home because that's their. environment we don't know what's in that. environment we don't know what's behind. that door yeah we don't know what's. under that couch cushion so they try to. bring them into the most. um. safe environment they possibly can which. is usually to bring them out of the. house everything a cop does on a call is. all planned it's it's all from training. and there's all a process to it wow yeah. there's a lot there's a lot that people.

don't even you know there's a lot to it. man. it's really given me. it just gives me a little bit more of an. understanding kind of of uh this should. almost be a class I feel like in school. when kids are growing up. you know yes to have like a real. like I don't give a [ __ ] if I could. spell but if I have an understanding of. what the people enforcing my community. what their lives are like and what my. responsibility then as a member of the. community could be.

um that would be really really valuable. I feel like absolutely I mean even cops. still need it I. before covid after I retired I went in. my one of my close friends in the police. department I became a patrol sergeant. and it was a female most squared away. female cop you've ever seen just looked. at her and she screamed cop great cop. good person totally solid as time went. on she started to deteriorate mentally. and. because my generation never been taught. about it we would you know you just need.

to sack yeah suck the [ __ ] up you know. toughen up Tom that's it you need a cup. of sock to [ __ ] up let's get back to. business yeah so we [ __ ] hardened. that vulva buddy that's it you know and. we would not we just didn't know whether. it was well long story short she ended. up not showing up for work and she ended. up killing herself now she ended up. hanging herself and and I actually went. to the house and found her. um and with hindsight looking back at it. there was so many warning signs there. were so many things that she did when.

she was begging for help she actually. came into the police department at one. point and was hysterical and acting. crazy and I had a pretty good. relationship with her so I told my. lieutenant I'll go out and talk to her I. want to talk to her and I remember. walking in going holy [ __ ] she's going. to kill herself she's so bad we're like. even thinking that but it was almost. like this passive weird thing that we. just think I said it I said it out loud. she's gonna kill herself she's that. crazy things are that bad right now is. what I was thinking and doing what cops. did we made a [ __ ] joke at her I. remember laughing I remember laughing. and a week later she was dead you know. and so even with cops they have they.

have to learn about themselves I was. going and doing speaking based on my. experience from that and some other. things where I was going all over the. United States and doing speaking. engagements where I was teaching cops. just about mental mental health man you. know knowing what can happen and how it. happens and how how you're not going to. be aware that it's happening and these. are the warning signs and don't [ __ ]. around because. you're going to wake up one day people. don't think it'll it'll be them and it.

is. oh yeah and it's fast sometimes it is. well I think we could be at this part in. society too and in timeline of society. where. the receptacles we've been using. to. um. to. to Corral and to. um. take care of like the drains like the. the sieves the things that are. that are. the things that were that are the people.

that are taking care of us like. mental health professionals cops it. could be we're at this kind of Tipping. Point as a society where it's like we've. almost. we've overburdened them you know and you. know I don't know that but you start to. wonder like. at what point are. we just not able to. be the ones to. like kind of damn or.

help alleviate whatever all this kind of. whatever trauma or whatever it is this. continuing. pieces of pain that are alive in in the. universe does that make any sense to you. yeah it's kind of ethereal kind of a. thing I don't know what ethereal means. but. I understand what you're trying to say I. they got to do a better we got to do. better so what can we do then what can. we do for cops what are what are we. doing so you said that God. but it's important it is important but I. mean we're so we're so far down the.

ladder as far as like that question of. what can we do for cops. the the first thing just just to get on. the ladder I would say be fair man be. fair you know think about it it's a. million I'm estimating that but I think. there's like a million cops in America. there's a million people. what we're talking about let's let's say. a thousand of them are bad people a. thousand of them is it our duty is it. our job as police officers or would to. and to identify those people get rid of. them absolutely and I got I'm not here.

I'm not. advocating for police I I have no. there's no reason for me to right um I'm. being honest with you. I'm not trying to say oh cops or this or. not but you you need to be fair you need. to be fair with cops you know a thousand. were bad. don't go into it with the thought. process that you have don't participate. in what you're seeing you see people. saying you know [ __ ] the police or all. cops are bad or defund the cop you know.

find a way. to assist in in that process of going no. you know that's not right these are we. need to identify individuals and we need. to have and people with the argument. they'll have is go well we can't have we. can't have one bad cop you know I mean. there's too much power you know we can't. have one bad cop I agree but it's also. [ __ ] impossible it's also [ __ ]. important it's totally unrealistic and. especially a pressure to put only people. that already have so much pressure on. them yes and it's not really probably. gonna change anything it's just a bunch.

of Battle Cry [ __ ] that doesn't. really in the end is it really changing. anything you know it's making us less. safe. that's a good point it's making us less. safe so we do have that dude I really. I'm telling you man we're less safe we. are we are less it feels less safe out. there yeah we're less safe yes we are. especially here in La we are we are much. less safe wow because we have a double. whammy out here we got now they're now. it's shifting into where they're getting. district attorneys that. are are we're we're we're we're.

eliminating crime. we're basically saying that there is. right there's no crime there's no crime. like a crime isn't a real thing if we're. not going to press charges for it yeah. like back back when I was a cop like if. you went into a CVS and shoplifted we. would go through a process of of. identifying did you go in there with the. intent to steal which is an easy process. to do where's your wallet I don't have a. wallet where's your form of payment I. don't have any form of payment I have. nothing on me well why'd you go into CVS. well it's obviously white waiting to see. if you went in there to steal yeah so.

now it's not just a petty theft now it's. a burglary because you went in there. with the intent to steal which makes it. a different crime yeah you know so it's. a process of identifying people doing. wrong things and and trying to get it to. stop I wasn't a perfect kid I got. arrested when I was a kid I got arrested. several times when this kid you know I. fortunately I came in contact with. police officers. that. that were from what I remember were just. solid human beings and I had a demeanor.

because of the way I was raised where I. was very respectful even though I was. wrong so I had a really good interaction. even though I was being held accountable. I went to juvenile hall man you know I. wasn't really doing anything. I wasn't doing I wasn't just stealing or. I was my parents were really strict I. took their car first time I ever got. arrested I took my parents car you know. 15 years old yeah you know want to go. see my girlfriend I came home went to. bed and next morning I woke up cops woke. me up my dad called the cops had me.

arrested because his his thought process. was is now now we're getting into [ __ ]. where I'm gonna start holding you. accountable and I used to look at it and. go like oh Dad you're such a dick how. would you do that to me but I look back. at it now and go thank God because I. went through enough stuff where one day. I went that's it I don't want to live. like this matter of fact I want to do. the opposite and all my [ __ ] was. misdemeanors and I was able to get rid. of it and go through the process of. becoming a cop but it it made a big. difference for me when you say like how. do we get rid of that one bad cop.

that made a big difference for me where. I was legally able to not make mention. of the things that occurred to me as a. juvenile because I got it expunged my. record and it's clearly stated that you. do not have to make that available okay. okay they do a whole background they. talk to people and the people that were. in my life at that time thankfully. didn't make mention of it either so it. was alleviate so I was able to become a. police officer and it served me well man. because I knew what it was like to be.

locked up in an 8x10 room for 23 hours. right you had some semblance of it it's. a big deal to take away someone's. Freedom it's monstrous it's crippling. you know I was. 16 years old and I did six months in. juvenile hall for taking my parents car. damn that was back in the day you know. you can't you could kill somebody and. you might not get six months now yeah. you know but my parents said we want the. maximum yada yada but when I got out and. I became a police officer eventually I I. kept that matter of fact [ __ ] someone's. gonna probably watch this podcast and my. buddies are gonna be like dude I never.

knew that about you but it's just not. something that I brought up because it. made me feel feel less lesser than the. guys I was working with they had this. this lifestyle that they deserved to be. there and I really didn't deserve to be. there I just got lucky. but it served me really really well I. really had an appreciation of that. process and what it does to a person. coming in contact with a cop being. arrested getting put inside of a jail. cell being there for 23 hours you know. at a time I was a kid from Orange County.

I got put in a jail cell the first day. with this kid it was a Asian kid I don't. know oh yeah I've seen him yeah this. Asian kid that was in there and we. started talking about what'd you do and. I said I took my parents car and this. guy went on the story was he was like a. watching gang member and they were on. the run and they were in a hotel and. they had a revolver and they had played. Russian roulette with it with a thing. and some dude ended up blowing his head. off and they were scared because the gun. was stolen they put him in the carpet. and they cut the carp they rolled them.

up in the carpet and took them in the. San Bernardino Mountains and lit them on. fire I got away for it with it for like. six months oh but I [ __ ] my pants man. you know I mean when that guy told me. that I was like holy [ __ ] dude I was. scared to death yeah [ __ ] I'm never. working in flooring I know that but dang. no that's crazy that's if you're in a. cell with that dude suddenly you're like. damn that's a kid yeah especially if. you're like this isn't the Avenue I want. to be going like if this is even the. intersection I'm starting to meet up. with the world at I want to do a U-turn.

um you were talking about local crime. and stuff like that or this type of. break-ins and fever in uh robbery we had. this thing that just happened yesterday. at the Apple Store did you see this. thing no. and these are these Smash and grab. things that happen all the time yes yeah. this is somewhere here in California I. think near Tahoe but at an Apple Store. and it seems to be. and for some reason this seems to be. like a I don't know if this is like a. black it's like a Black Culture thing it. seems to be a lot of times this is kind. of black guys I know it's generalization. I'm okay to make that and I don't mean. that in a rate like black people I'm.

just saying I don't know if this is a. like train robbing is probably like a. white crime you know like different. people have sometimes different crimes. in their cultures I don't know if this. yeah I don't I don't there's no way to. police this is there what do you do here. you hear the people in here like are we. supposed to do something what do we do. you know well I do think we have gotten. to a point in the world where we are. eventually going to have to have someone. with a gun everywhere. I mean I'm talking security of some type.

right like if you go to if like you're. talking about like these these these. shootings that they have at schools we. could lit we could almost alleviate that. tomorrow we could almost take care of. that situation tomorrow and if you go to. Israel and you try to walk onto a. elementary school there are two highly. trained highly armed military type. Personnel usually more than that that. are guarding that school wow that you. can't you can't even take pictures they. won't even let you take pictures. that would completely alleviate the.

situation that we have if we put I know. they got like school resource officers. but it's one cop and it's big schools. yeah and that's just somebody [ __ ]. with a damn whistle I'm talking about. somebody there who's trained yeah and a. couple highly trained very visible if if. there was a guy right there with with a. gun you know that was in that store but. for some reason Society is still. reluctant to go that direction I. understand that guns are scary I. understand that aspect of it but I. really feel like it's our only solution. you know we could alleviate that.

situation how do we stop that from going. on. the only really way to do that is to. hold that's not the first time those. kids committed a crime no nobody walks. into a Apple Store starts ripping. [ __ ] phones off the thing with with. pack store those kids have committed a. lot of crimes and I guarantee you those. kids have been arrested at least some of. them yeah and the problem is the. accountability is so low like my example. you know I had the ultimate. accountability there's no difference. between me and those guys I'm not you.

know right you're both humans we're both. humans you know I mean and it I was just. held accountable you know and it changed. the way I think I didn't want that. lifestyle we're not doing that anymore. and people are seeing this on TV and. they're seeing that they're getting away. with it and and it's influencing other. people to do it going like what the [ __ ]. you know why don't we go do it I want a. [ __ ] iPhone 14 [ __ ] you know 40. iPhones in a computer and they don't. have that guidance at home maybe they. don't have that that that you know those. parents that are willing to take the. steps to change the behavior.

um do you so who would have to hire the. the the security in that position would. that be apple would need to or would. does it become a governmental issue. because it's almost becoming more like. we've ostracized our police departments. publicly so much that security seems. like it's going to become a lot more of. a privatized type of thing do you it's. gonna have to you know they can't really. I mean they do they have Mall Cops with. their actual real police officers at. malls in some cities they have cops that. are high schools they they do what they.

can but you know it would require a lot. more funding which I don't quite. understand why there isn't more funding. but um it would have to be private it's. not like apple can't afford to have some. armed guards at every one of their. stores for sure you know and police. would totally be behind it as long as. there was proper training and. communication and we're gonna have to go. that route it's eventually going to have. to go that route there's just no other. solution yeah I agree with you we had. this what about these they had an uh. thing I was looking at Zach if you can. find this about they were going to do.

robots. um this is in San Francisco robot dog. yeah. yeah San Francisco will allow police to. deploy robots that kill. Yeah so basically they're gonna this is. this just came out a lot of people were. talking about it but the important. distinction is that they're not arming. them with guns they're arming them with. explosives and they claim that it would. only be used in the most extreme. situations. um so they won't be armed with guns it. would be explosives. yeah I don't I mean San Francisco police.

department in itself is one that I what. you're seeing right there take it with a. grain of salt I'm sure it's completely. irrelevant exactly what's going on I. mean you can see the title San Francisco. allowed police to deploy robots that. will kill that's a pretty absurd. statement for what's probably really. going on here right. um and the Associated Press put this out. there this is crazy yeah that they would. also do this. yeah they're pretty they're about the. most middle of the road I felt like AP. but I mean you're right though San. Francisco PD in itself my knowledge of.

it. um is is it's much like their community. you know it's very it's a very um. hopeful hopeful group yeah a very. hopeful group you know I mean they're. okay with a lot of stuff they're they're. really okay with the idea there's. there's so many things that they do. let's let's give make really readily. available needles for heroin addicts you. know right which I understand they are. safe shooting or whatever yeah I. understand the argument of it but. there's just not a lot of thought.

process well they wanted to give swords. to homeless people I remember a couple. years ago there was a thing about giving. homeless people swords so they could. help defend themselves and I'm like. what the [ __ ] are we doing dude homeless. I mean there's another great example man. the homeless situation we have [ __ ]. ourselves on that we have totally [ __ ]. ourselves when I first started in police. work there really is no available answer. for homelessness because it's a mix of. people it's people that want to be there. it's people that are drug addicts it's. people that are mentally mentally.

uncapable you know we used to have the. process where we would be able to. someone go I got a homeless guy he's. taking [ __ ] in front of my house you. know we'd be able to go there take that. person and alleviate the problem for the. person that's calling us we would take. them somewhere else let me take you to. this part let me take you where can I. take it is there any way I can take it. take it to let me take you 7-Eleven I'll. get you some water I'll buy you a little. something to eat you know and and then. you can go on your way and they go okay. I'll do that. early on in my career and I forget the.

agency but a cop kind of did that where. he took a homeless person away from a. situation where someone was calling. drove him to the edge of the city and. said walk that way so the idea was. you're not my City's problem okay and. somehow some attorney got a hold of that. information. um and decided that he was going to take. this to court because that cop took. someone that had not committed a crime. and against his will transported in from. one location to another which is the.

definition of kidnapping so they ended. up going after this cop for kidnapping. so then what ends up happening by case. law is it changes the process the way. all police departments handle homeless. people. you know there's no more doing that so. basically they even made it worse then. they start saying oh you took that guy. to jail and you left this his cart full. of [ __ ] here which is full of. yeah memorabilia things from growing up. trophies from when he was in t-ball I. wish it's usually full of [ __ ] man oh.

yeah it's just disgusting you know extra. urine yeah socks full of weird [ __ ] that. he chewed on and whatever and they. glitter yeah whatever we saw a dude with. a whole canister a glitter one time. we're like what oh I had I had a. homeless guy that was so bad and when we. booked them in his sock was he had a. athletic sock and with the stripes on it. filled with cash over three thousand. dollars wow and he was sitting in a. gutter eating dirt you know it's just. crazy the people were giving him money. but they start saying that we have to. book all their property in you literally.

got to take that shopping cart. individually go through it itemize it. process and put a thing so now cops went. oh hell no right I'm not doing this now. oh hell no I don't have the time right I. don't want the disease you've made it. totally unreasonable so again Society. completely screwed themselves on how we. as a society can help you with a problem. if you had a homeless guy sitting on. your front of your door that that cop's. in a pickle you know he can still do. things and try to convince this guy to. leave but all the real tools that we had. the real methods we used the world got.

rid of them well why do we and it is a. lot of times it's lawyers that [ __ ]. ruin all this [ __ ] lawyers ruined. everything the lawyers really have. they've ruined everything civilized. civil law has ruined everything civil. law has destroyed our country it really. has and Americans they love civil law. there's so many people getting rich yeah. no off civil law. man. but the mental the mental the mental. expense and the emotional expense of all. of that type of stuff all those rules.

the laws the impossibility of it that. the average human the average American I. think because this is a really a lot of. its American issues uh I think we're. getting to the point where we're at our. Tipping Point a lot of people are on. medication a lot of people are stressed. beyond the gills we can't people are not. um able to have children as easily. anymore everybody's going through all. this fertilization you know stuff I. think there's tons of stressors. um I think we're getting to that point. where. it's a little bit at the Tipping Point.

you don't know what a CVS now if you are. safe or not you know like I was there. the other day. in the makeup Lady is now tussling with. some [ __ ] 6'4 man in there yeah and. she's just trying to. you know make sure that this guy doesn't. mash up her station you know like is the. guy's running around taking stuff right. yeah and so then like you have people. who they have to be enforcers now and. she's just the makeup person and the. photo guy you know it's like they.

shouldn't have to be enforcers so it's. like. um and then the truth is they probably. should just let Insurance handle it or. whatever you know so it's like. I don't know we've just gotten ourselves. into this place it feels like a lot of. times where. the people who are supposed to be. helping us our therapists our police or. the people that are kind of like add. this buffer to society to make us stay. well.

um are kind of stressed to the gills it. feels like sometimes yeah I don't know. who's gonna police the world coming up. especially now with everything that's. going on who's going into law. enforcement right now yeah what's that. been like has there been lower amounts. of people going in have you heard or. anything uh no I mean I I there it's. but it seems scary yeah they've. tightened the standards they've made it. harder because the world's going like oh. you know the police are doing everything. they can to go we need the we need the. best candidates we don't want these. problems again in the future. the testing process of becoming a police.

officer is it's extraordinary I mean. it's really extraordinary the tests I. had to go through you know psychologists. uh written tests physical tests. um I mean there's just so many. interviews backgrounds they went in my. background they went and talked to. everybody no oh dude everybody they talk. to my ex-girlfriends and everybody. that's a good one and they also seal it. and they so you never get to know what. they said which is really well you. should get it when you're done dude on. the way out I knew where it was and I. thought many times I'm gonna go in there.

and [ __ ] pilf this [ __ ] but I didn't. want to [ __ ] with my pension who knows. what they could do you know what I mean. so but the who's going to police who's. going to do it who's going to take this. job I remember as a kid. you know again I think today I wouldn't. be able to be a police officer I today. they require like I had I got my degree. when I was a cop so I could become a. detective okay so I went to college in. in while I was working now they really. won't even talk to you in the hiring. process unless you have a degree they're. they're they're they're they're up.

really standards yeah and are they. paying more yeah well it's it's. Progressive that's a good year it's like. three percent I remember being a kid I. was 21 years old I was making like sixty. thousand dollars a year you know for a. 21 year old dude I was I was big pimping. dude you know I was huge I was huge and. I was shooting bullets in the Airing. damn catching them out dude I always. felt like I was being fairly compensated. I guess because once I got into it I it. was so exciting I hated the weekend I. loved to work I couldn't wait to get to.

work next day because what the [ __ ]. gonna go on today that's how it was. every day for a long time when I was. young and I always felt like the money. was fair you know. um just give you an idea California is. the highest paid please police officers. in the world wow they're also the most. trained and I'm sure there's somebody. that's going to disagree with that from. somewhere else but it just it is okay. that's why a lot of the stuff you see. you'll see like in uh no bang on. Kentucky but some police officer in a. place like Kentucky you know doing. something stupid you're going like. that's crazy the show Cops yeah I.

actually had cops ride with me you did I. did have cops right with me you'd be. interested in how that goes how that. process is to get one we're going to. talk about that in a minute remember. that Zach so we don't forget that the uh. you watch I watch Cops a lot of times. just go like oh my God I can't believe. what this guy's doing you know they're. tacticals and their tactics and all that. kind of stuff oh yeah but I just don't. know I don't know what it's going to be. like because I do feel like you need to. pull as many people from different. aspects of society.

just to have that rounded structure of. of you know I had a lot of compassion. for the the arrest process for people. going into it this guy doesn't. understand that he's a good dude he's. doing the right thing but he has no idea. the impact of taking someone putting. them a handcuffing him into a cage. putting him in a cage the guy had to go. to work tomorrow we impounded his car. he's only got 300 bucks in the it's just. monstrous and I had a real feel for that. right and in reality if they had known. everything about me. they would have probably said nah we're.

going to pass on you and I was. successful you know I wasn't the best or. anything like that but I was very. successful and I was good at the. compassion aspect I think if you went. back and talked to everybody they would. go like yeah your heart was too big for. this job to start with and I kind of. disagree with that I just understood I. understood what what we're doing here. this is a big deal yeah you know you you. you try to explain to somebody. anytime somebody dies in a car accident. in a murder. um when I was a homicide detective for a.

period you you have to somebody has to. go tell that family. that your loved one's not dead because. they don't know at that point you know. um do you try to act like when you walk. up do you try to act like you don't like. because their look like that would be. the part for me if a cop comes and. knocks on my door do you want to look. like you have that information or is the. goal at first to not look like you have. that information. man you we are now in a conversation. this that was one of the probably the.

the hardest aspect is notifying people. that their loved one's dead and when you. eat through one of them okay uh I I had. I'm gonna give you a a traffic accident. I had a traffic accident where a 16 year. old female was killed. um and I went they'd start the. investigation and usually they'll take. someone that's never done it before or. whatever to go do the notification at. that time I was on patrol and they said. Hey listen you gotta go make a. notification by the end it was like. three four o'clock in the morning and if. you're a parent and your kid's out and.

the cop knocks on the door at four. o'clock in the morning. the blood leaves your face it just does. you know that's just the way it is you. know I mean and I I remember I did many. of these and as they went on they got. way more difficult but I remember. knocking on the door. and being so nervous that it felt like. my esophagus had seized like I literally. couldn't talk I'm thinking they're gonna. come to the door I'm not going to be. able to talk right now. and I remember it was it was a mother. she came to the door and she just woke.

up and as soon as she saw me. I didn't have to say anything you know. something was wrong she knew that. something was very wrong. and the process of informing a love. apparent especially that their child is. dead when you first start doing it. you're blunt because that's what you're. there to do you know and I came I said. you know are you the parent of yagata. and by then they're already crying and. you so I'm sorry to inform you but your. daughter was killed in a traffic. accident. and this woman in particular because it.

again this these are the trials of. police officers it it right now I feel. like I want to cry yeah same yeah I mean. it just does that to you and it's it's. um. but I have a I have a thousand of these. you know what I'm saying so I remember. I remember her getting to the point and. her falling on the ground and. as many movies as I've seen of trying to. depict police situations. there's nobody and there's nothing that. could do that accurately to really.

depict of what that looks like it's a. pain that to this day you know I'm. probably 20 years now out from that. situation close to. it still makes me want to cry just. bringing it up it brings it you know I. get the pain and. as you do those and as you go through. them I had a dad that a girl had hung. herself and he was so upset that he. grabbed me by the shirt and he started. no no and like kind of pushed me back. and he had a suburban and he pushed me. into the Suburban my elbow went through.

the back window of his thing that's how. hard he pushed me. and I knew what was happening there he. wasn't mad at me this guy was just so. grieving but as those go on as those. situations occur and as you do more and. more of those and as you introduce new. officers. and take them to do it. it becomes so much more difficult I. remember sitting out front of homes. towards the end of my career. sitting in the car and and I was a. sergeant of time and I wouldn't send. young guys because I just couldn't. fathom me doing that to them because I.

knew what it had done it's done to me. you know what I mean so I remember. looking. at the this particular one it was the. morning it was like six o'clock in the. morning because the sun was coming up. and I remember seeing them walking in. front of the window of their home in the. kitchen and me realizing okay I got 45. minutes till my shifts up I'm gonna sit. here for 45 more minutes because these. are the last 45 minutes of these. people's lives. you know what I mean and because I was. at that point in my career it was gone. off now I was crying. just the thought of doing this I had my.

own child now it just it became so much. larger now of doing them for so many. times that I sat there forever. putting it off as long as I can and then. walking up to it it it's Indescribable. it really truly is Indescribable. knocking on a door and telling someone. their most precious whatever husband. wife dad son Grandma anything is gone. and and the scenario that you do that is. so it's so vast you know there's so many. old people that live alone and the.

family lives far away and and no one's. really accounting for them and it's. August and they [ __ ] die on Thursday. and by Tuesday the neighbors going. something stinks next door and there's. [ __ ] flies all over the window and. they send you out at two three o'clock. in the morning and you got a [ __ ]. flashlight and you're walking up to the. house you look at the window going [ __ ]. yeah something's dead in here man you. can smell it yeah which is a smell you. never forget you net you know exactly. the smell of death really oh exactly I. can if if there's something dead and. that smell is permeating in the air I.

smell it I tell you if something's dead. Within These parameters do you know it's. human usually or not can you tell human. or not no I don't I don't know right I. don't know that but I know human okay. but and you start going through that. this is just a whole different story you. start going through that house man you. know you got to kick the door in you. know because no one answers the door and. it's dark and you're so [ __ ] scared. and wigged out. that you don't even take the time to hit. light switches to turn the light on. you're going in with a flashlight which. makes it a million [ __ ] times worse. you know it's like be smart hit the.

light switch at least it's there but. you're going around corners going okay. this is the [ __ ] door you know and. I've kicked open so many doors and seen. the most horrific [ __ ] dude you can ever. imagine in your entire life oh you know. how many dudes die taking a [ __ ] A lot. of them huh a lot very prevalent for old. people there's actually a medical term. for it no really what is it I I couldn't. tell you just bring it up Zach we can. get that information yeah the pushing of. a bowel movement it stops their heart. and I can't tell you how many times I've. had the dudes on the ground and have to. force open the door because their body's.

in the way to the toilet and they're. just rigamorted yeah and do are they. usually like this or are they more like. this well Rigamortis has a process or do. they do like this no they fall off the. toilet no yeah they fall off the toilet. oh dang yeah they thought so they're. blocking the door that's what I'm saying. you got to push the door so you're. pushing the door and it's just something. gruesome about pushing a body you know. and trying to get around I'm looking at. and usually they're they're in like in. August if you don't find someone for a. week in August and they never turn the. air conditioning on that body's in a.

state of [ __ ] disaster I mean is it. bloated. that whole process that's a process wow. the death process Rigamortis sets in it. comes out then you start bloating you. get you know I've had them where they're. bloated so big that there's big water. blisters on their back and like the. corner a little corn or little Asian. girl dressed to the nines with a little. suit on damn boy yeah yeah a really. pretty little girl and a dad is to meet. her you know yeah you don't want to deal. with the coroner dude those are some.

those are some different people you've. got to be are they really pretty. sketched out on some damn Wednesday. Adams is huh yeah well dude I had a. coroner at L.A County coroner's office. that uh we were in there on a autopsy. which is a whole different story. autopsies are disgusting they're brutal. they use saws and they use hedge. clippers to cut the the rib cages away. oh because they canoe them they'll they. take away your rib cages and they take. all your guts out they cut your they cut. your head they peel your hair forward so. your hair is touching your face they cut. your Dome off and take out the brain and.

all kinds of wicked stuff but afterwards. as a homicide investigator we would go. to those because we'd want to see the. trajectory of the bullets and get a. determination of what they determine how. far and all the different evidence you. can get from an autopsy I had this dude. that did an autopsy gloves covering. blood and he went in to talk to me and. he went into this little lunchroom and. he got his lunch out and he took off his. gloves this [ __ ] pulled out a sandwich. like a meat sandwich that meat in it and. as he's talking to me as he's talking to. me he's eating a meat sandwich man and I.

remember being digging my fingers into. my leg just like oh just to not think. about it because it was so it was making. me so nauseous you know yeah I don't. think I could have a damn Turkey Tom or. somebody just laying there you know. Corners are a different breed man you. got to be a different breed to be. chopping up people all day long yeah. even as to be taken yeah like you're. taking vitamins or yeah if you're going. to be on an exercise bike or something. in the same room as like a body just. creep so weird yeah well anyway back to. the real quick on the Asian the Asian.

girl she had to flip she had to flip. this body over that was bloated so she. put a rope around the opposite side the. lady's wrist and this lady was deep in. the decomposing and she threw the Rope. over the lady and she went on their side. and she was going to pull this rope so. the arm would flip her over and she'd be. able to see the front of her so she's. pulling this rope over and because the. body was so decomposed it ripped off the. skin of the entire arm and and the body. fluids of this lady went straight up on.

her and on her face and in her mouth it. was all over her and this girl literally. she you know she was shocked for a. second and she's oh my God she said some. things and she went over and got some. wet wipes and everything and she wiped. off her face and she just went back the. [ __ ] business man he just ate a damn. butterscotch out of her purse dude. jamming temperature things or the liver. and [ __ ] crazy man crazy crazy that's. the dark arts dude that is when you were. a real concierge of the devil I feel.

like if you're there doing coronation. yeah cornerizing that's definitely a. relationship killer man I would suggest. anybody if you find out you're dating. someone at the coroner. that's going to be a strange life yeah. man that's really gonna be because. they're going to want to watch you sleep. you know yeah. uh forever maybe yeah pull up that. information you had there Zachary if you. don't mind I had a defecation syncope is. the name for dying while you're shooting. what is it again and are you dying you. sound sick Zach I'm okay uh it's.

defecation syncope yeah there you go. okay pretty prevalent what does it say. about it can you tell it just give us a. little more Intel. defecation syncope describes the Vaso. vaginal response that occurs while. defecating that results in a loss of. consciousness wow yeah for all people. the loss of consciousness results from. bearing down to increase the pressure in. the rectum damn boy. so I guess yeah you can have to I mean. this guy just [ __ ] himself to death. really.

God yeah it happens pretty often with. older people something with their heart. stops their heart and they die and. they're by themselves and uh yeah pretty. brutal pretty brutal life is pretty. brutal life is I always felt like it. would be a good thing for the world to. have. some kind of a venue where like I got a. million stories you know I got a million. things I've experienced we're. one guy one cop one story you know and. just to give the world the idea of. what's going on.

because nobody knows what's going on you. think you're so you just the perception. of how many police there are any given. night and I'm gonna give you the example. the city of Whittier which is a pretty. big city. there was. four or five cops that's it. that's it you know I mean that's all. that there was now granted there's a lot. of police around and right and they'll. come but that's you're not really safe. with just four or five cops you know. what I mean like I to this day I'm. telling you I could Rob any Bank yeah I. know exactly how to do it really could.

get away oh absolutely I'm not gonna say. it I don't want to yeah but I could. absolutely write it down for me yeah. just because there's such a lack of of. officers there's such a lack of Staffing. you know there's such a we're just. unsafe and I think if if someone could. put something together where they just a. cop just came and say hey this is this. is a story and people start hearing that. every day and just going like dude the. world. stuff that's going on in the world right. now you know the stuff that goes on. every day and has always gone on is. always is going to go on I think people.

would be a little more understanding of. of the difficulty of the job you know. the difficulty of. policing the world you know maybe a. little more less judgmental you know a. little less harsh. oh well I think this conversation alone. and I've always been kind of I mean. pretty much pro-police I mean if it's a. bad policeman I'm a uh be against that. person if there's a bad anything I'd. kind of be against that person or at. least want to investigate what's going. on with them but you know we grew up in.

a real poor environment and so the cops. would always hang out around the poor. people because we were outside a lot and. so when I was growing up we'd be outside. so the cops I think sometimes would be. on their [ __ ] you know and they they'd. stop and chat you know I feel like you. kind of knew the cops better when you. were poor because. you were outside there'd be more calls. to your neighborhood because somebody. was always doing something there was. always some domestic violence or. somebody was you know you know butting. some drugs or something small you know. just some small ball locally so the cops.

would be around so you get to kind of. know them you know. um. and they're it was kind of fun in a way. you know and then one of them would. start dating somebody in the. neighborhood you know. like not dicey but just like you know I. remember chicks thought it was kind of. hot to date a cop you know when I was. growing up it was like yeah I get to. date a cop would you say that now it. seems crazy I can't imagine there's any. girls going oh I want to date a cop yeah. I mean really who would want to date a. cop now. yeah I mean I don't know I think there's.

so there's still a lot of like you know. America first type people I think who. believe that cops are good people you. know and so those people would probably. be fine with it I think maybe more. scared for the cops probably there might. be more fear in that sense. yeah the lifestyle again it goes down to. they just don't know you know it's a. tough life my you know. my wife's married a cop you know tough. life God tough life you know but I I'm. out now and things are good and but it's.

it's a tough life it's it's a different. life the world doesn't know what's going. on out there you have no idea what's. going on out there I do yeah it's a hard. reality to live with you never feel safe. well and it's just not fair that there's. not an accurate kind of representation. of what goes on out there's there's not. that that person you call they're exp. you guys are expected to handle so much. like some people are mentally unwell. somebody somebody's got a gun somebody's. doing sex trafficking somebody's trying. to hide a kid in their attic you know. it's like you don't [ __ ] know nope.

you never know what you're walking into. either many situations where you think. it's one thing and it's something. totally different you know what I mean. did you get a lot of was there a lot of. that because you know a few years ago. sex trafficking was like the big buzz. you know it was like you'd see things on. Commercial like there's a million women. being sex trafficked in America and I'm. like that's [ __ ] insane but uh I I. could believe that there's some of it. you know but I don't think there's a. million way you know like you'd see some. every few years is like a big thing yeah. a big push you know yeah I don't to be.

honest I don't know I don't know I never. really dealt with a lot of that I never. I don't unders I don't have a lot of. knowledge on that so it'd be pretty. responsible for me to make a comment. about that but in my police career. I dealt with prostitutes you know. without there was a lot of stuff with. prostitution and were they just trying. to survive most of where most of them. just women trying to survive or most of. them women that you found that had been. in a b where that were being abused by a. man and used to sex money and sex you. know what I didn't I I couldn't answer. that because. I never really very rarely would have an.

intimate conversation with someone I was. dealing with right I deal with enough I. don't need I don't want to know the. story the story is irrelevant you know. they start getting the stories it can. kind of change the way you handle stuff. and the reality of it is that you were. soliciting I'm just dealing with. soliciting. you know if they go into a story of oh. my God my dad raped me and this and that. you as a human being I think you would. tend to go like oh my God this poor. thing and. I just got to deal with the situation. because right if she gives me a story. and I let her off because her story sad. well how how fair is it the next.

prostitute that I arrest them just. because I don't listen to their story. it's another difficulty of it you know. right that plays a lot with tickets you. know tickets man or tickets are a big. deal dude everyone gets pulled over and. and they want they want to be get get. out of the ticket you know come on man. help me out do me but the reality of it. is if you were driving 75 miles per hour. and I pulled you over um. and you're I notice who you are you're a. cool guy or we have a conversation or. you're very upfront go totally my fault.

totally so sorry and I go okay man just. slow down God the next guy I pull over. that's doing the same exact thing I. don't give him the opportunity to talk. because maybe I'm in a rush or I don't. know who he is and I give him a ticket. well now I've done I've done something. wrong right you know what I mean I've. done something wrong so there's a real. dilemma with that so when you start. giving people breaks when they're the. next person you're doing wrong so that's. that's an aspect people never really. think of so if you're really doing. policing right there is no gray right. but we all want them to deal with the.

gray and I dealt with the gray. constantly you know and is it a real. thing that you have to like people like. all right we we we the city needs to. make money we need 10 because. everybody's guilty when they get pulled. 99 of the time yes so is that a real. thing it's like hey we got to make sure. if you're if you're letting people off. we can't let them off any more in the. next month as far as like quotas and. stuff like that no they're too smart for. that this is how they do it there there. is no quotas but what they'll do is is. they'll say you've got to be within five. tickets of the team average the team. being the watch that's going out okay so.

day watch is usually guys that have been. on for a long time that just want to. work nine to five Monday through Friday. those guys don't do [ __ ] yeah I mean. they're doing the absolute minimum. because they're burnout they're tired. they're old. their tickets are going to be really. super low so what the department does is. they'll take a guy fresh out of the. academy you can't wait to write some. tickets yeah and they'll throw them on. day watch so now that guy's writing 40. tickets [ __ ] penmanship Henry out. there yeah just doing it you know for. everything yeah so they'll put that guy. on the watch and he'll write 40 tickets.

in a month now the expectation is for. everyone else has got to be at about 30. to 33 or you're gonna get on your eval. so is there a quota no there is no quota. we just got to be within the team. average which is the average that we. should be at right again civil liability. it's a way to beat around it you know. what I mean that's what they'll do. that's how they'll they'll get the. tickets they need. uh let's get you another water I gotta. pee yeah yeah I got P2 we can uh we can. jump back on for a few minutes yeah my. dad was no my dad was a great dude man.

he just was no there was no [ __ ]. with my dad really no [ __ ] he's. third poor grew up in Ardmore Oklahoma. oh wow he backyard was a cemetery dad. was drunk died young used to beat him. you know the whole deal he. he was white trash my dad was that's. self-proclaimed white trash you know had. nothing. shoes with holes all the stories and. [ __ ] um but he became a really. successful executive he was the vice. president of Hebrew National we're not. Jewish but with Hebrew National wieners.

yeah Frank's wow and this his brother. became a doctor you know wow that's huge. they came from nothing oh it's huge when. you come from not the man for somebody. to be a [ __ ] doctor for I remember in. our neighborhood somebody was a lunch. lady. and we were like damn Miss Annie. she made it well you say that but his. brother who became a doctor. guys he's like a [ __ ] serial killer. really yeah he got raided by the SWAT. and he was he was one of the guys that. was writing prescriptions oh he was yeah.

yeah yeah well that thing that whole. thing was crazy do you see that uh dope. sick that yeah very good how insane is. that. say a second Dope Sick it was like that. document it was like a television show I. think it was on Hulu I watched it I was. trying to think what the content was it. was like Michael uh who was in it Zach. um Michael Michael Keaton Michael Keaton. and he was a doctor and he got on he. started prescribing these pills because. it they made him sound safe and.

everybody in his town got hooked yes. yeah and then he got hooked that was. huge I'll tell you something I I I. worked I was a police officer I was in. narcs during the heart of that opioid. epidemic opioid epidemic and yeah and it. was some Jewish Family I think that ran. Sackler family where were they. that that actually owned the business. that owned the business and they kept. compromising oh yeah Sackler family they. kept compromising officials and um.

getting them to work and bribing people. it's unbelievable how they kept it in. business yeah what was that like to. opioid epidemic on the street level. um well we at the time it was going on. they weren't calling in an opioid opioid. endemic right they weren't they weren't. there was no identifying it but we. started noticing that. we would catch guys coming out of. dentist office and they would they would. have different kinds of containers one. of the ones that was real prevalent for. some reason was these little square like. lunch coolers and they'd have them. filled with prescription bottles and we.

called them Fishers and what they would. do is they would go to these low-end. doctors and dentists and they would just. fill prescript find these doctors that. go oh my back hurts they go okay let me. write you a prescription and move this. out a little bit more for me or just. like this way yeah okay they would um. they would fill they'd find all these. doctors that would fill prescriptions. and they would go to like 10 doctors a. day and we'd catch them and they'd have. like a thousand pills you know we start. going this is really becoming prevalent. we're finding this more and more. and I think we actually had a guy OD out.

front of a dentist office and somehow we. found in his prescriptions that the. prescription was from that dentist and. that's how we kind of got turned on and. it started going in motion is finding. out what's going on here man is that. these doctors somehow are making. tremendous amounts of money billing. insurance by these guys coming in and. saying my knee hurts and them just do. give him a prescription right bill the. insurance get a bunch of money and. knowing this guy's going to be back in. about three days I'm just going to do it. again you know what I mean and these. guys would go to like five six seven.

doctors. yeah they had that documentary about a. kid in New Orleans that got murdered uh. buying some pills and it led to the dad. like searching out this entire like uh. like kind of pill farming thing that was. going on there I can't remember the name. of that. um it was pretty fascinating though the. pharmacist the pharmacist that was it I. actually tried to reach out to that Dad. and even have him come on as a guest I. mean it was the story is just so tragic. but then he busts he helps bust this.

doctor. um who was I mean given out insane. amounts of pills every day they would. show like they had like footage outside. of her Pharmacy or whatever and they'd. have like 50 60 people out there just. waiting at like yeah at like up till. like 1am and they'd have a security. guard uh like having them go in one at a. time and she was just sitting in there. writing scripts when they finally found. her she was geeked out to the gills yeah. just insane um was there ever instances. where cops would start using the Dr like. in to help relieve some of their own.

like PTSD and stuff that was going on. that they ever does that become an issue. ever. um I'm trying to think firsthand if I I. know of any I don't really I mean. drinking there was always guys that. always drank but that's always been. socially acceptable yeah I'm just. thinking if it yeah because those those. the opioids it's such an easy thing to. just take and use you know it's a good. example that you were saying like and I. this is when I'm kind of reluctant. because I don't want to cause any. problems for people in police work right.

now but. pulling from General Society police. departments are staffed by people from. the community they go through a hiring. process and they get oh yeah we get. everything and this is a good example of. people judging the cops based on the. actions of one person or a dozen or so. we actually at my Police Department had. two different cops one I worked with. forever one I knew right off the bat. that were child molesters damn that we. found out they were talking as a matter. of fact the one officer that um that we.

caught the first one he molested the son. of one of our other officers they were. best friends so again you're talking. about a situation where the world goes. we can't even have one bad cop well [ __ ]. we're with you on you know not right. we're with you but we're also this piece. of a piece of society we're dealing with. it too yeah you know we're dealing with. it too as soon as we find out that's. there I mean we we obviously this guy. was gone in prison and we. we handled that situation but um. we're no different than anybody else you.

know cops are no different the people. that are cops are no different than. anybody else as far yeah it's kind of. funny if you took a group of guys and. you just showed me a group of guys I. don't know if I'd know if they were cops. or not unless you put the uniforms on. them you know certain ones right some. guys yeah some guys got the high and. tight and a big mustache and you know. they're always wearing a fanny pack yeah. but you know what so yeah right as soon. as you see that guy though even. even cops look at that guy and go like. dude you're mowing your [ __ ] lawn put. your gun away you know right cop it down. a little yeah totally totally yeah. that's great yeah and those are the guys.

that end up being 23 years old and going. to the nightclub with a gun on them. right you know what I mean I'm a cop. yeah yeah I mean I mean how stupid can. you be you know how stupid can you be. going into a drinking situation carrying. a gun because if someone punches you in. the face what are you gonna do yeah. punch him with a bullet yeah yeah that's. where you see stuff like that gun them. yeah for sure. um there was a couple of what do you. think about this so when you get in when. you got into detectiving did you. detective anything like this uh Idaho.

murder do you follow that kind of stuff. do you follow crimes sometimes like. especially high profile no I don't feel. anything um I I don't even want to know. about it but uh high profile most of my. murders were domestic and Gang Related. okay where I was at I didn't have. anything particularly high profile. um I had a lot of. domestic situations which. real quick on one. um. this is a good example for you too for. hotels I'll give you a little. information on hotels. you never know what goes on in hotels.

man any hotel room you're in I'm going. to give you a little touch of some stuff. that goes on in those hotels before you. you checked in we had a situation on a. murder where a guy got arrested for. domestic violence okay I'm taking into. custody for whatever reason the judge. sentenced them to 90 days but decided. he's going to give him 24 hours to get. his Affairs in order before he reports. to go into custody which is nuts which. is totally totally nuts so he releases. this guy this guy immediately goes and.

kidnaps the girl that he beat takes her. to a hotel in our city. in the hotel he executes her shoots her. in the back of the head she falls on the. bed and then blows his head off. he actually puts it up to his thing so. he's on the ceiling. um his the brain's everything on the. ceiling so when we get a cleaning lady. tried to get in because he'd put a table. against the door and sees it and calls. us so we get there we push open the door. and enough time had passed where the. woman had fallen onto the bed it was one. of those cheap polyester type yeah bed.

spreads and it it's almost holds water. so when she bled out it it it. accumulated in that thing so her face. was in the blood. where you couldn't see any of her face. she was face down and it was already. coagulating on top so it was like a. giant scab on top you know what I'm. saying he was all over the ceiling and. falling back we do the investigation we. get everything done totally gruesome. totally gross. it was like late late three four o'clock.

in the morning that we leave and the. next day I didn't come in I came in the. next day and I needed to get some. information from the hotel so I went. back to the hotel and I go into the. office and so I'm going in the office. this is less than 24 hours well a little. bit over 24 hours and I look up there's. a [ __ ] family walking out of that. hotel room. they're going out to go about do. whatever they're going to do and I walk. in the office said dude you rented that. hotel room out how did you get it clean. and this guy went on to explain to me. how they have people on standby and he. got it clean and they painted this and.

painted that. no mention to that family 24 hours ago. there was a double murder in that hotel. room crazy that's a small story on hotel. rooms dang man that's God what yeah. oh we'll leave the light on for you huh. yeah no [ __ ] now this kind of Hotel it. was we'll leave the light on my God yeah. crazy again a perfect example of the. world just doesn't know what walks the. Earth. you know well it's just another example. also of Are We processing the travesties.

that happen are we or are we just you. know are we still able how much travesty. and you know stuff has built up that we. just can't even process it as a society. you know even things like that it's like. turning around like is there some is. there a little bit of a Vibe where maybe. the [ __ ] kid you know one of the kids. sleeping in there develops a cancer 40. years from now because he [ __ ] slept. in the aura of a you know two deceased. people nine hours after that yeah for.

real you know I I look and it's some of. that's kind of like this you know it's. more this. you know imaginative sort of thinking. but I don't know how much of it it is. you know. um well I I also came up in the meth lab. time California was full of meth labs. when I first started your motor running. meth labs were scary man really you. usually found a meth lab a lot of the. times you would discover a meth lab. because it'd blow up because those are. volatile they blew up all the time so. you can't shoot in there no no [ __ ] he. found a meth lab you had to back out.

quick because I mean meth is just made. out of red lie and Coleman lantern fluid. lighter fluid just all kinds of [ __ ]. that yeah you have no business ingesting. you know what I mean it's all volatile. there's gases and they always would blow. up unless you want to [ __ ] for a long. time I think it's okay to have a little. yeah you know I mean don't have you ever. called some people do sex on meth for a. long time right yeah with a dildo with a. code anger oh my God yeah sorry I had to. take you back there. yeah yeah I mean the D Tweakers Tweakers.

were Tweakers are the live on yeah. Tweakers the lifeblood a place where the. difference the only Tweakers are so. different than any other drug heroin. addicts. marijuana real touch real quick on. marijuana police work in marijuana I. identified really quick I'm not a. marijuana Advocate but I identified. really quick that this is ridiculous. that this is against the law every. single person I ever came in contact. that was stoned never gave me a problem. at all in fact they were some of the. best contacts I ever had wow Best. Contacts I identified really early that.

this is something that's just it needs. to go away every dude that was drunk was. a nightmare and that was legal and this. is not I can go on forever and tell you. that is it is ridiculous and why uh why. do we have those laws against marijuana. because I old white people you know back. in the day yeah just hysteria they. didn't know what it was they didn't. understand I don't know I don't know why. but Devil's lettuce or whatever all that. [ __ ] yeah but we're getting better. California's good the rest of the. world's getting better I really believe. they should be legal everywhere for sure.

100 but drugs as far as druggos heroin. addicts they do heroin they stay home. they nod out right pills stay home you. know marijuana the fun nitrous oxide. whatever drug you talk about it's not an. issue methamphetamine man [ __ ] does. methamphetamine dude he cannot stay home. he cannot stay home he's got to get to. he's got to get to work wow and it's. always at night you know that's when we. get to work we would find Tweakers they. had all these different processes of how. they get their money copper was a real.

big one they love copper they would wipe. out whole. housing tracks you know of their copper. but you'd get the occasional one which I. had one actually I think I had two where. they would go into industrial complexes. and they would go into these massive. warehouses that had those giant metal. cabinets that had the the what like tin. wires that were coming down it that were. like. 20 inch in diameter you know I mean just. massive fiber optic wires and all that. no they was just like electricity there. was like a box where the main. electricity would come in and it would.

all Branch off that but inside that. there'd be massive wiring and these. lockers would go in there and they'd try. to cut that wiring out and be live so it. would cook them dude I mean it would. just they would instantly just get. electrocuted and either a fire or. there'd be different ways that it would. that we would become aware of it that we. get there but by the time you got there. these guys would be onion rings I mean. onion rings because if it's been flowing. through them flowing through them and. what do they start to look like kind of. like a jet like a jerky do they start to. look like uh burnt completely totally.

burnt wow completely does it almost they. almost look fake yes a lot of that [ __ ]. looks fake a lot of the stuff that's. really brutal I had an industrial. accident where a guy got sucked into a. turbine it was a big giant piece of. Machinery that had this like shaft that. was a spinning shaft that came out of. the engine and it was about I don't know. about four feet off three feet off the. ground round I'd say and it ran to. another engine of some type and they had. that covered with metal like Gates so.

without things metal no one could touch. it and it was in the front well these. guys in the warehouse were playing. football. and the dude threw the football and he. missed it and it went into where those. things were so this dumbass decided to. step over the gate where those things. were spinning a billion miles an hour to. get the football and the sweater he had. tied around his waist got sucked into it. and it taffied them it sucked them into. the piston and and wrapped him around it. and by the time he was completely. wrapped up into it his head had been.

hitting the concrete so many times that. was going around that it emptied his. insides. perfectly so it was on the ceiling on. the back wall and then shot across the. thing so when we got there they they. were in such a panic they hadn't even. shut off the Machinery so this thing was. going and you're hearing this guy's head. not ding ding ding ding ding by then it. was like a wet noodle you know a giant. wetness it's just disgusting dude and. you told him you know why would you turn. this off and they they're you know they.

it made sense no we didn't we didn't. want to see it uh we don't want to stop. we don't want to see it we don't know. what to do so when you turn that thing. off and you see that dude wrapped up in. there and the fact that dude you want to. talk about fake you know what I mean I. mean it looked totally fake it didn't. look like a human being at all and cops. have to respond to that oh yeah anything. that happens like that any industrial. cops are always the first on everything. because firemen are at this station. playing video games you know yeah utter. having hot dogs hell yeah dude I went I. used to date a fireman's daughter dude. they'd invite me anything they were.

doing all they were doing hot dogs best. job ever every time dude they're like. you wanna we're doing this big event I. get to the event every time it was 11. dudes sitting down eating hot dogs. having a good time playing games. watching best job the the one thing cops. and firemen have in common is they all. wanted we all want to be firemen man. really oh hell yeah dude if I can go. back in time best job in the world yeah. I got nothing but admiration for him. dude and the world the world loves them. the world loves firemen dude you know. they ain't holding nobody accountable.

and everything's a science tooth. environment they. oh God firemen are gonna hate me they do. see all the tragedy and death which is. brutal and I I feel for them in that but. the other side of it is is that. everybody loves them yeah because all. they're doing is saving and helping and. everything that they do essentially is. science you know I mean it's a fire if. it comes in contact with that we know. what's going to happen the wind's. blowing this way we know what's going to. happen it's all pretty predictable it's. not that thing it's there's aspects that. are dangerous but you know yeah you guys.

it is a lot more uh. it's a lot more hypothesis like. hypothesizing in the moment going on. yes there's not like a lot of even house. fires if there's a house fires cops are. always the first ones on it dude I'd. shoot if I saw a cop a house for odd. damn shoot at it. that's who I'd be that way again man the. expectation is if you're a cop and you. get there and someone's screaming my. baby's inside my babies oh hell yeah go. to an award ceremony for the end of the. year at a police department there's. always at least one cop that went into a.

burning building to to to to help. somebody wow because firemen takes a. while to get there yeah yeah well I'll. see yeah it's like it's so hard to get a. group of guys to do anything together. especially yeah and that truck is so. hard to get through it's like get them a. little. you know I guess we have to have water. in it huh well the water's already there. yeah yeah well yeah they're I think. they're already full I don't know man. our relationships with cops and firemen. is kind of crazy when I was on graveyard. just because I was so jealous of the. life they lived and things I would call. them out for anything three o'clock in.

the morning dude you're not feeling good. man you need to be seen by paramedic all. right let me hook this up and I would we. need paramedics just and they knew it. because we eventually become friends. because they're in the same station yeah. totally they would see me and be upset. but you know I love stopping by fire. stations man fire fire dudes have always. been cool and it's nice to get it to go. in there you know uh great job yeah it's. cool man especially in New Orleans like. we always love them because they also. are part of the parades so that's a big. thing in Louisiana is firemen get this. whole second they have this whole second.

like. appreciation because the fire trucks are. in the parades a lot oh yeah so you see. a lot of that huh I was cheering them. waving flags yeah what uh what do you. think's like one of the biggest. um problems that's facing police right. now I mean I know you said some of the. PTSD and. um and I say you said low Staffing too. or the fear that people don't like a bad. Public Image you know. um yeah I I've seen bad public images. not doing it justice the biggest.

the biggest issues for police right now. first and foremost it always has been. but they're now just starting to. acknowledge it and talk about it and and. get real programs in place number one. killer of cops is suicide yeah that's a. weird statement to say but like like I I. got a guy I worked with who's in Texas. right now he's he's working in a program. a religious program that reaches out and. helps cops and firemen and First. Responders with mental wellness and. that's what they call Dina uh Charter. Oaks Charter Oaks Academy or no not.

Charters Charter Oak something but he um. he just made me aware that this one. police department in the last couple. months six hot cops killed themselves. you know you just don't hear about that. because it's bad publicity cops don't. even want that out you know it's a scary. thing when someone says oh cops are all. killing themselves wow all the cops are. unstable there just is no good publicity. for cops you know so and what's happened. recently. what happened this last time. with the uh the riots and the the.

political aspect that got involved and. allowed it to continue and the way it. was put on the media and portrayed. it's it's it set us back a lot it set. policing back a lot it's it's cops are. scared to do their job. you know they're just scared to do their. job they didn't I can imagine I can't. even imagine yeah the public doesn't. understand you know once when a guy. comes. it's it's difficult to describe but it's. life and death you know cops shouldn't.

have to die just because. you know that the people want the fight. to be fair there is no fight here my job. is to get him in custody and take him. before magistrate that's it right and I. gotta do what I gotta do to give me. custody but if this guy's fighting me. the way he is he'll kill I have to I. have to think he'll kill me to get away. I have no choice yeah especially if a. guy that's already killed other people. or done thing you know like this is a. bad guy it's not a good guy yes who's. here on the ground it's like this ain't. a great guy yes you know this ain't a.

guy who's been doing great stuff or. learning Spanish or something all day. this is somebody who has is been doing. crime. um how big is race becoming history I. was just gonna say that is that where it. gets to. um is that is that like be it become a. big problem I can only give you my. experience right so I'm only speaking. for me I I worked at two different. police departments in the two police. departments I worked in one of the. communities was predominantly black of. South Central the other was. predominantly Hispanic Hispanic white. you know a little bit of everything.

um. systematic the statement that the police. are systematically racist I know for 100. it's not true because. I was part of the police I was part of. these two police departments and. if it was there I'd tell you did I see. it I absolutely I absolutely did I in my. entire career in the field I saw two. guys that I felt like that guy is. treating that person different based on. the color of his skin okay it's not too.

bad over the whole course of it the. whole course one guy was blatant it was. blatant you know I mean and they. actually got rid of him relatively quick. um the other guy wasn't as Blaine but it. did appear that way what is the reality. of it is is that when you work in a. community usually that Community is it's. predominantly something oh yeah that's. predominantly something and it's not. that you because in my experience in my. police departments I worked with black. guys Hispanic guys Asian guys we were. everything everything was women you know. especially California yes everything was.

represented and within those walls there. was it didn't matter you know what I. mean if it if it if it did exist it was. something that we did with amongst each. other ingest right like yeah the guy. that I worked with his black ripping on. me because some stereo stupid stereotype. about white people or whatever you know. is something we would do and joke about. but I never saw anyone treat anyone any. different because of the color skin. unfortunately what would happen is that. you'd be in these communities and you.

would develop. I don't even like to use the word. prejudice but you would develop. um feelings about the way these. communities operate because you're. constantly coming in contact with the. worst of it right you know what I mean. constantly in any scenario. right if I'm working in an all-black. Community all or predominantly black. probably Latino community and I'm a. officer then I'm I'm coming in contact. with the bad guys from that Community. yes yes you're dealing with the bad guys.

and you start to develop over years and. years and years of the same and and. there are there are unique aspects to. different types of communities you know. the crimes and the way the things that. people do in Hispanic Community are. different than the black community. different to the White Community. different in the Asian community so. there are things that go on that are. repetitive where you start getting. callous towards it so it wasn't a matter. of. people being racially prejudiced it was. a matter of being it's a terrible word. but prejudice against.

specific aspects of a culture. you know specific aspects of a culture. like I can give you ones that are are. very controversial there's a lot of. the Hispanic community. is really divided up there's first. generation Hispanics there's 2nd j3 and. they're very different within themselves. like our first hat generation Hispanic. people to come here. hard-working kind loving family. just ever just good people right you.

know I mean you'd go like hey man come. stay with me for a week and not even. think about it but they were super super. hard drinkers you know they would get. together for quinceanera and you'd get. calls at three o'clock in the morning. and they're all beating the [ __ ] out of. each other yeah because they're all so. drunk you know or at a two-year-old's. birthday party you get there and go like. it's a [ __ ] two-year-old's birthday. party why are you guys drunk and it's. three o'clock in the morning but it was. prevalent so you would get callous. towards that oh yeah yeah and it's fun. getting [ __ ] up around a kid sometimes. you know if you unless you're getting. real weird yeah yeah well there's a lot. of that too but in every community that.

I dealt with. foreign you would have that and people. would start identifying stuff and things. would start. becoming you would develop calluses. towards it right but yeah you're like. systematic racism or some of this you. never thought you had you never said oh. man and when they say that it's so. frustrating because. I see some of them and I and the the. um the incident where the dude knelt on. his neck. totally wrong as a police officer you're. looking at that and going like okay. for him to get in that situation I can.

with I'm not going to judge for him to. get a situation where these guys need. his neck I'm not gonna judge because. that can happen I've been in situations. where it happens right where you're. trying to get a guy in custody even. though he's handcuffed he is still doing. stuff that can cause harm to himself and. others right. there's no reason why that guy didn't. after 10 to 15 seconds stand up and put. try to put that guy back into the car. right so what he started doing and in. the world insinuated that guy's racist.

well we don't know if that had anything. to do with the color of that guy's skin. all we do know is is that guy crossed. the line and should face consequences. because he started administering. punishment um. at this where he was at and that is not. his job his job is into custody and even. if in his thought process his intent was. not to administer punishment. he should know better than to. put be in that situation for any length. of time because it can cause harm that.

guy was wrong right but to insinuate. that it was race based and if I'm I. didn't watch it but. I don't think anything ever even came. out where this there was ever anything. in this guy's background where there was. any instance of racism whatsoever yeah. yet if you go to ask anyone right now. they're going to say oh that was racist. cops are racist right we have no idea. that it could have been could have been. you know we'd have to be intimately. involved I imagine if there was any. proof of that they would have put it out. everywhere yeah if they had found. something it would have been everywhere. well it's interesting now too because.

almost the race narrative is starting to. this it's starting to evaporate over. time because and I think in some. communities obviously in the South. there's a ton of that every you know. there's historical like biases and like. black people didn't have opportunities. or money they had to do what they could. to survive yes you know and then you. have cops who were predominantly white. probably and they they were policing. crimes and crime is a lot of times. things you have to use to survive you. know certainly like at times in the past. you know.

um but it's interesting that uh. uh shoot were we talking about what did. you say racism yeah so it's interesting. that yeah because now it's like police. forces are getting pretty diverse super. diverse right and so I've almost. wondered would it be better to have a. policeman of that ethnicity show up. absolutely you know and they're all. starting to go towards that yeah they. are my Police Department is predom when. I started predominantly white when I. left it's getting predominantly Hispanic.

and I think that's smart I think it's. it's actually smart does it make it a. little harder for the guy that's white. that wants to get it get a job you know. well he's just gonna have to find a. different Community I guess you know but. yeah it's it's it's definitely going. that direction and it's definitely it's. almost like they should have it it's. like okay we have you know uh two white. suspects and two black suspects let's. send a black police officer and a white. police officer you know if you. unfortunately in police work you don't. have that time to go I guess a. dispatcher could right they would know. based on what what they have out there.

of who to send to what but again you're. policing specific areas it's it would be. harder than you think right and it's. crazy that we're having to even think. about that kind of stuff right but it's. like you get so many like civil lawsuits. and so many it's just like we've just. taxed ourselves at the [ __ ] guilt you. know it's like we've. I don't even think that would from my. experience that's not even a girl well. yeah we will and I think it's a good. move but it's not a cure-all because. I've seen I've been in at scenes where a.

guy I was with was black officer and. I've seen people attack him just like. they were attacking me what I mean. because it wasn't really about they. hated that guy because of the uniform I. mean that guy that with my name tagged. me white he didn't know who I was he the. way he was attacking me and all that it. was my uniform and the fact on top of it. that I was white but I see them do the. same thing it's just they don't like the. police they just don't like the police. there's just certain people that don't. like the police yeah and I think it's. interesting too because it's like some. cultures like Black Culture never really.

had a like America was always kind of a. kind of a white culture country probably. you know I mean it was there was. diversity for sure but I think like the. people that ran the country were. probably. predominantly white probably probably so. then I think a lot of society kind of. has a white ring to it so I think only. now are you seeing a lot more. um Society getting really pretty diverse. you know so I think you're starting to. see what these other cultures how what.

they even like to have in society or. what they like their societies to be. like yes and so I think you're seeing. like a merging of that like some. societies they might not like to have. any rules or any policing there you know. some they think that they think that. right oh yeah they think that they think. that but they if you took the police out. of some certain communities communities. that have more problems if you. completely took the police out of it and. they knew the police they would implode. it would be there there would be no.

Community wow it would be no Community. because criminals are going to be. criminals you know people are gonna. they're gonna feed on the week knowing. that there's nothing there to stop them. they're going to get theirs wow at any. extent the pulley the policing is. completely totally necessary how we how. we do it is just going to continue to. evolve yeah you know but it's right now. it's it's good there's a good basis in. place what's happening to them is. totally unfair.

but we just got to get through this and. good will come of this amen it's. unfortunate you know but good will come. of this good came of Rodney King great. things came from the Rodney King. accident it really I saw it I lived it I. watched the change oh absolutely when I. first started there was a lot of stuff. that went on that slowly I watched it. get you know when you're when you're new. you just kind of stand back I watched it. slowly get eliminated slowly get better. things slowly improve on the way they. handle stuff you know yeah it's it's. it's definitely getting better and and. it's it's gonna get better but we have.

you know I just I just hope they. continue to be fair because there's a. lot of good dudes that are just yeah I. think look I'm grateful for them man I'm. really grateful for him yeah they deal. with a lot of they deal with a lot of. stuff you know not yeah not everybody. gets gets to not everybody sees the. stuff you know nobody not everybody sees. someone blow their head off you know. what I mean try that once see how that. changes your life I can't even imagine. it really take one person and watch one. time watch someone in front of them blow.

their head off and then and then see how. it changed do an experiment follow that. guy around see how that changes life now. take that guy that same guy and do it. for 20 years every single day. you know what do you expect you know. yeah I can't I lose it if somebody has. left like a big thing a piece of chunk. of hair like if they had a bunch of hair. in the drain. I would like yeah I couldn't even that. makes me nervous. and probably the thought about it going. back like give the example of that I. watched the guy put a double barrel. shotgun in his mouth was when his mom.

was standing outside and blow his head. off yeah standing standing in the. doorway remember back in the day in the. older houses in Whittier they had those. screen doors you know the decorative. stuff on the front it was a screen door. the mom came running out screaming hey. my son my son he's suicidal and she kind. of got behind me by the car and I looked. over at the house and the door was open. the screen door was there and the guy. walked right up to the screen door he. had one of those old school double. barrel shotguns stuck it in his mouth. and pulled the trigger. his his head expanded like a cartoon the. gases expanded his head it was I can't I.

can't do justice and trying to get you. to understand what it looked like. mom freaking out just the Dynamics of. that scenario right there then on top of. it I had to go inside the house and I'm. pushing the screen door to get this guy. because he he basically Las Vegas hotel. explosion falled right in front of the. door so I'm trying to push him out of. the way and it didn't even dawn on me as. I'm pushing in. his brain matter was on the seeing it. fell into the back of my shirt.

yeah. which to this day I can feel it you know. what I mean now this is this is one. small scenario imagine that happening to. you one time. how that would change the course of your. life I know it sounds dramatic but don't. you think it would yeah don't you think. it would look a lot of stuff different. don't you think you would feel a lot. different so yeah I don't know if I. would keep being able to feel after a. certain point right yeah and then have. to keep it in that I had to keep that. thing I had to keep it in my shirt for. like four hours dude we tried to wash it. out and all that but it came down to.

take it off my shirt and vest and. everything it was. but once sorry I was just gonna ask a. question. um you mentioned all these violent. situations but you're a homicide. detective was that fulfilling is it. fulfilling like helping my other person. no that was my least favorite that was. absolutely my least favorite assignment. it's the what was homicide detective. here yes yes uh it's the one I it's the. one I work towards my whole career. and then once I got into it. um it was just there was no real. satisfaction there was satisfaction in.

catching the person that did it but it. was overshadowed by what the ACT. left everyone around it in you know. again I had domestic violence I had I. could I had a domestic violence. situation with that was I can say was. gratifying and catching who did it and. such but a lot of the gang ones it just. didn't matter it just didn't matter you. know you would catch the guy and he some. someone else would do it or he'd get out. and do it again and and there was so. much Sadness and Sorrow surrounding it.

because the court cases were long and. drawn out. um you were sitting with the family for. for sometimes years getting through. these processes and you were the last. attachment that they had to these people. so they would become really attached to. you they would bring me Christmas. presents you know even after I the case. was done and I would I would politely. tell them I I can't accept this for a. lot of reasons but the primary one is is. I I can't have this relationship I can't. have this emotional tie to you because I.

got a million more of these and if I. start doing that I'm done you know I. mean this has to be you have to be your. groceries that I bagged and you got to. take that bag of groceries and you got. to get out of here because I got to get. on to the next one and it's just it's. it's too much mentally to have an. emotional tie with you whatsoever so. homicide was a lot of that and it was. awesome it has to be heartbreaking. heartbreaking because it's heartbreaking. to them to it's like even when I was a. gang member even when it was a gang. member that was killed that was a brutal. murderer himself.

he had a mom and I was always in contact. with that Mom you know what I mean and. it just it would just it was almost. impossible to deal with and I'm I'm a. little I admit it man going into it I'm. a little too sensitive to have probably. done this job but it was just draining. man there's no good scenario in homicide. and then if you don't catch the guys. that did it stays there it weighs on you. it weighs on you that you couldn't you. couldn't do it you know you couldn't. figure it out you failed this guy's. gonna do it again so there's almost a.

level of. responsibility that is homicide was a. different Beast I. no bueno man no good you know there were. I got a lot of good things out of other. assignments do you think there's a lot. of serial killers out there still. serial killers depends on your. definition of a serial kill seems hard. to do now well if your definition is a. serial killer is someone that kills a. lot of people yeah yeah there is there's. gang members that there's gang members. out there that have killed five six. seven people and they're going to kill. more people but the world doesn't look.

at that guy as a serial killer it. doesn't fit the definition or if you go. to a training class they're not teaching. you that this guy is a serial killer you. know what I mean yeah the quintessential. serial killer is so uncommon yeah so so. so uncommon it just nobody's. breaking into home strangers homes and. you know doing the um Night Stalker [ __ ]. is there a hypothesis that when you get. into that job that that'll be what it's. like and stuff is there that kind of. like kind of kind of you know and it's.

like anything when you look I mean I. in an industry like this I imagine you. look at someone that's doing something. else and going like oh that's right oh. yeah you think that's where I want to be. that's where I want to be because that's. where it's happening and then you get. there and you go [ __ ] this ain't that. great you know I want to so I want to be. there I want to be there no matter what. you get there and you go like. at least my experience is it's not what. I thought it was it was actually better. back there I want to go back there. because that was a lot better this this. but homicide I mean look at the. infatuation with cops look at my TV. shows and movies he's saying everything.

everything killing it's like yeah I. think I've seen every episode of True. Crime. the world's infatuated with it and what. you're seeing is that you're seeing that. fake not fake you're seeing that. surface. aspect of it you're not seeing the stuff. that we've been talking about you know. what's behind all that but you're seeing. that so even going into it you go like. oh look at that dude that dude's been. around he. the reality of it is he's so [ __ ] up. and callous that he's totally quiet and.

cool you know I want to be that guy man. I want to do that [ __ ] got a suit on. looking good. workout people always go hey you work. homicide you ever work homicide you. could be a homicide detective and it's. just again it goes back to that thing as. you just don't get it you know what I. mean homicide is where you want to get. but when you get there just my. experience was I just wanted to get the. [ __ ] out I just. um so you graduated finally you're out. I'm out I'm retired they got to pay me. for the rest of my life Amen brother you. deserve it I I hope so I think so you. know it's it's I can't even I'm it's.

it's not a tremendous amount of money. but it's a it's a good chunk that most. people don't have and and what else do. you want to do after do you start to. develop different thoughts or things. that you I'm working I work for a. company a big company that owns lots of. businesses and I do asset protection for. them you know just real. surface. investigations of money crimes and you. know basic simple. almost stupid but no pressure it's dumb. what I do I admit it but they pay me.

well and sometimes I get a little antsy. and go God my life look at my life now. my life is so boring and this sucks and. I gotta do something else but. I got a wife I love I got a kid I adore. and you know I got fam I just this this. is good I'll ride this out you know does. your child want to be an officer [ __ ] no. all right we made that clear day one and. my kid was little we made that very. clear with one sentence you will [ __ ]. never be a cop all day so don't even. think about it don't dream about it.

don't anything it will never [ __ ]. happen what about a fireman ah [ __ ] yeah. hell yeah I'll do anything to get him as. a fireman yeah dude let's give him some. Franks right with the understanding that. there's going to be trauma but police. work man. there's just if I could go back in time. as much as my experience. there's there was joy that I hold on to. and go God that was that was awesome I'm. so glad I did that was exciting my life. is this and. people want to hear it's crazy to think. people want to hear about it you got me. sitting here talking about what I did.

and it is a crazy thought they go people. actually are interested because they. don't understand. and when they hear it they go whoa. that's kind of that's [ __ ] really. crazy that's crazy to me because that's. just what I did you know what I mean so. there's aspects I would say oh it would. be sad if I never did that but if I go. back in time I would. totally totally totally do something. different wow but I got here by luck I. never planned on being a cop like I said. my my growing up was either a criminal. you're not a criminal no but I was I was. doing that but I was a deviant I was I.

was insecure and doing bad things man. you know what I mean yeah you know but. my how I became a cop this is back in. the day is I had nothing going I had no. plans man you know I was. doing nothing I. there was just no future so I started. coaching my little brother's pop warner. team with my dad and the guy that was. coaching with me was a instructor in the. police academy and literally one day. during the game he's going what are you. doing now man I don't know I got nothing. going on he goes I'll get you the. [ __ ] police academy a couple weeks if. you want and I went.

all right that sounds cool man let's do. it and that's that's how it happened wow. it's [ __ ] how it happened I woke up. the next day and I was pulling out on. the street with a gun and a police car. going like these guys got no [ __ ]. idea you know what I mean they got no. idea but it it served me well it served. my background served me well I was able. to do that job I think better than most. strictly based on experience and. compassion you know of understanding the. dynamic of taking away someone's. freedoms a big [ __ ] deal and we need.

to avoid that at all costs we need to. avoid that at all costs then getting. them in the system and getting this. record and all the things that come with. it I knew the magnitude of it I I didn't. take it lightly ever even you know I. used to get. 17 18 year old girls for DUIs and it was. gut wrenching to me you know it was. gut-wrench me boys anybody was just gut. wrenching of taking them and putting. them in a jail cell and realizing this. is going to change the course of your. life forever you know hopefully it'll be.

positive but this is they would be. crying and it was just traumatic it was. just traumatic most cops. you know let's go get the [ __ ] in the. cell and let's get past this and you. were drunk and I saved lives and I got. to get out there and I got to find some. real crime you know what I mean I can. remember sitting and thinking like. talking to them in this cell and just. going like it's gonna be okay right it's. gonna be okay I know you hate me right. now but it's it's gonna be okay and and. you one thing I do know I hope is you're. never going to be here again right and.

you didn't kill nobody you know what I. mean so those kind of aspects for me. I've really looked back and go like. I I was meant to be there as as much as. I didn't deserve maybe to be there and. the way it just happened to me to be. there wouldn't be able to share this. story today too with us too you know. because yeah like I feel too much I've. always been too much of a feeler you. know and so I think you need people that. have a little extra feeling sometimes to. get out of instances sometimes and share. you know share some of the feeling side. of it and I'll be especially your job.

I'll be judged I'll be judged based on. this from people of the industry people. in the industry will absolutely Judge Me. based on this is literally believe it or. not this is the absolute first [ __ ]. time I have ever publicly said anything. about my childhood and being arrested. and being in custody I worked with guys. who are my friends who I care deeply. about and I'd never made mention of it. and so much time went on I just thought. it's irrelevant and there's no reason to. bring it up and I just never did I just. buried it this is the absolute first. [ __ ] time I've ever admitted that and.

it'll be interesting I don't know who's. gonna see it or what it'll be. interesting to see what I'm an old guy. now you know know it's interesting to. see if people actually come back at me. and go you [ __ ] or whatever it. is the reaction I get [ __ ] criminal. but I do hope that people do listen to. it and go like hey. what's there's some to it it's. fascinating man and it's fascinating you. know we had a border patrol security guy. on one time and. um which is just a public service job I. get you know in a way or some something. in the same world a little bit yes but. it was interesting to hear about the. border and the things that go on there.

and the people that are getting run back. and forth across there and how cartels. own different pieces of land there so if. you even want to transport someone. across a piece of land you have to pay. that cartel even to like coyote somebody. across the land and how a lot of the. people coming in some of them aren't. even Mexican yeah and a lot of them are. [ __ ] you know uh Middle Eastern and. they're [ __ ] a lot of pedophile a lot. of Crete just [ __ ] was like Jesus Christ. there's a lot of aspects to that that. you don't even think of that we dealt. with on a daily basis a lot of people.

that come in are obviously coming here. because they want a better life totally. down for that you know there's just a. process we just need the process just do. it the legal process come everybody come. but let's just go through this process. because we need that process because you. wouldn't believe how many people come. here and they don't have the means or. they just like they don't have car. insurance right they don't they're all. these different things that they're just. bypassing where it's causing such. turmoil in our world and our system you. know I mean that was those are the. problems well all of that it's all like. how long are we going to strain this the.

walls of our systems you know I mean we. already don't even you know and then I. still expect people. to put a president on television and be. like America you know it's like don't. sell me this [ __ ] thing if you're not. uh. uh if it's not a real product right yeah. and that's what's really kind of. happened I think it's that's a lot of. kind of what's you know it's one of the. issues they back it up into one thing. you know if you're against it they say. well you're racist yeah I'm not a racist. at all I couldn't give a [ __ ] the only.

reason I even think about is because you. keep talking about it but I just want. them to come here I want them here let's. make sure they have a path to get here. oh yeah but let's just follow the rules. to get here that's it we have to have. roll call you have to have like if you. don't know inventory any business that. doesn't have good inventory will go out. of business if you don't have no what's. on the shelves or know what's here or. what's there it's going to go out of. business man and that's what [ __ ]. starts to get scary because you have. other people that are like well I was. born here I'm just trying to play by. whatever rules I was born into maybe.

they were more fortunate than some other. places I don't know in some ways they. probably were in some ways they probably. weren't but. um but I'm just trying to play by the. [ __ ] rules and everybody's got to. play by the rules and when our. government is even playing by the rules. anymore then it's like well then it. makes it tough to think that someone. just an everyday man is gonna be like. okay I'm Gonna Keep playing by him and I. think that makes you guys's job even. tougher because it's like now you're. having to almost do a government's job. well we are police departments are the.

government. right but they're just that Wing that. it's got to take care of all that that. stuff right and you shouldn't be like. the you're the most accessible part of. the government too for people and that's. [ __ ] kind of scary because you have. people if they don't like the government. or they think this or they think that. then you're the person that they can. really reach to take it out on you know. I don't know I'm just kind of rambling. not me not not anymore you're free baby. free man what were so many news topics. we wanted to hit before we get this man. out of here.

um not specifically news but I did want. to hear about when you were on the show. Cops oh yeah good call oh yeah okay so. so cops super interesting um they used. to watch that as a family God yeah I. used to watch it too crazy. um I met Roseanne Barr last night how. was that. the awesomest time oh really dude I was. how did that get why'd you bring out. frozen bar right now I just I don't know. I thought about it and I was so excited. and I meant to tell you a little while. ago did you ever see her show Growing Up. oh absolutely oh. did I'm on stage at the comedy store.

right and I hear this laugh in the back. and only one other time it happened to. me was Damon Wayans I heard his life and. I grew up watching his laugh and I heard. her laugh and I and it [ __ ] just. flipped him I didn't know that she was. back there. and I was like oh my God that Roseanne. Bar is just in the room tonight in the. crowd you know there's probably 200. people in there or something sold out. and she was nice she was howling. laughing so then I'm like I got I want.

to do the best I can like for all the. years that she made me laugh or made me. feel or made me feel like I you know. mattered in the [ __ ] Universe with. that poor family that they that they. worked on. um I wanted to just do have that one. moment to like give as much back of that. as I could yeah and I crossed right on. and then I got to meet her after and. anyway I was just so freaking excited. um and some girl came up and was like I. don't want you to tell and I even said.

to that girl you are a menace right now. okay I've worked too hard to get some. meat roses right and you are [ __ ]. ruining it. that's funny. is you just kept telling Roseanne. finally was like you are ruining it. oh it was so good that's funny that. Roseanne Barr did that for you anyway I. mean look there was definitely some. other women did it too but she yeah yeah. she that had an impact and I just love. her comedy and they tried to cancel her. and it just [ __ ] and was like [ __ ].

them would they try to cancel her for. they canceled her for some uh she had a. tweet that the Twitter said was racist. and she referenced like uh I don't. remember what it was but it wasn't. racist it was just like the general term. and they you know you know how Twitter. was hopefully it'll get better but. anyway let's get the cops let's hear so. cops the way cops operates is is that. there's there's there's a few film Crews. there's a sound guy and there's a camera. guy. and I think I I don't remember how many. minutes about it was very few like four. or five of these teams and these guys.

were so interesting um they essentially. go out and by the time they came to our. Police Department it had really changed. uh because of civil law where you. weren't able just to film [ __ ] and throw. it on TV you had to get waivers from. everyone that was involved and that. involved criminals signing off saying. yeah you can use that [ __ ] which is. [ __ ] so stupid if you signed off on. that [ __ ] you're the dumbest guy on the. face of the Earth because it's all now. evidence it could be used against you in. court so it was really tough to get. those guys to sign off but believe it or. not you know unfortunately when it comes.

to Crime you're not dealing with a lot. of Scholars so you would get a lot of. signatures but by then it was a little. tougher so what they would do is is they. would ride with you they would pick an. officer and they they I I was fortunate. enough to be picked and they would ride. with you for two months every single. shift. yeah and that time I was working three. twelves which is three shifts twelve. three twelve hour shifts Friday Saturday. Sunday which was the busiest that's why. at graveyard so that's why they wanted. to ride with me so you would go out with. these guys and it and the man it was.

like it was like it was like performance. anxiety you know what I mean it's like. oh yeah I felt this 20s yeah right Jesus. I just felt this need to perform man you. know and and it's harrowing police work. is some days there's just nothing going. on you know you gotta you gotta. self-generate whether it be tickets and. hope you can come up with stuff so I. always felt this pressure to go out but. speaking with these guys and their. experiences like the the sound guy had. been shot yeah in the leg.

um uh the other guy something that. happened their stories were awesome. because they had been all over they were. telling me stories dude I'm just going. like [ __ ] that is so awesome dude I. can't even believe you experienced all. this [ __ ] that you've experienced I mean. these guys probably walked away from. that show and have mental problems. themselves yeah because they they've. essentially were cops all the time on. patrol well imagine you're a sound guy. and you're like oh it sounds like. somebody got shot and then it's [ __ ].

you. whatever you know I mean they had all. kinds these guys had great stories so. essentially they would ride with you the. whole time and the issue became is you. felt so much pressure to get material oh. yeah. um that when they rode with me they rode. with two different officers me and. another guy and I literally didn't make. the show. I literally didn't make the show I. didn't why and the one time I did the. guy wouldn't sign off and they couldn't. make the cuts to make it relevant so I. they I literally didn't make but I. actually became really good friends with. these guys because we'd spent so much. time and talking that I I was talking to.

him I don't now but I was talking to him. for quite a bit calling where you at and. what's going on and wow. but the way that they do cops is when. when you watch it it looks like it's. it's it's Progressive it looks like this. is happening you know what I mean and it. never registers with you and like they. go they're in the car and they get the. radio call and it's like ah you know. 372 respond to non-breather yeah. whatever it is and you see the cop okay. and then all of a sudden he's driving. and then it cuts away and you see the.

car making a right hand turned onto a. street and never really registers you. would go well how the [ __ ] did they know. he was going there to be on that thing. you know what I mean I'm a guy that has. no idea of the industry and editing all. that so it wasn't until they rode with. me and I watched the cops and I went. well how the [ __ ]. are they gaining all these angles and. [ __ ] so what ends up happening is find. out is they would we would have the. situation they would get out and they. would they would be in it I mean you. would have to literally tell these guys. look at dude you need to step the [ __ ]. back you know you need to get behind.

that car right now I get it but I I need. you to do that so they were always up on. you and they'd be filming and getting. everything they can and then they would. go back and go hey look I think this is. something we can use so this is what I. need you to do I need you to drop my. camera guy off on that corner and I want. you to go back to this. Street and then I want you to fake like. you're responding to the radio I'm going. to be in it filming you you know with. the other camera. so there's acting involved you know what. I mean and I was a young kid and I just. couldn't do it dude I'm just not an. actor you know what I mean so they would. like be filming so all those guys you.

see doing it that's all acting up until. the actual scenario wow but you never. really never really crossed my mind no. yeah in my mind I'm just saying oh that. makes sense they have footage everywhere. and they're just getting all the you. know that's like they're just dialed in. and getting everything that's. okay now I want you to come and open. that door you know what I mean and then. you go back and watch an episode and go. okay now this [ __ ] makes sense why. didn't that ever register with me this. is all [ __ ] you know I mean except. for the actual scenarios themselves yeah.

you know they would just film it raw and. they would do their editing magic and. and make an episode but it takes it. takes two months every single night with. two different teams for a half hour. episode. and they said they struggle sometimes to. get that damn yeah. I've struggled to get it brother right. yeah. um. it's weird that we're watching cry is it. weird that we watch crime that we devour.

it like that what does it do to our. psyche when we just see crime when we. see. murder disappearing you know. what does it do to us over time I I've. that's I couldn't even answer that. question I always think how I always. think wow I wonder how did I think about. this kind of [ __ ] before I was exposed. to all this [ __ ] because I don't think. the same way you do. you know I mean you don't think the same. way I do. because I have a different perspective. of it'd be like me having an opinion and. the way I think about what I just. explained movies videos editing you know.

I don't I don't understand how it works. I don't know what's going on I don't. know what it all pertains. same deal with police work I don't. remember how I thought before which is. how you would think about it in its. entirety you know cops what they do. what's going on all that kind of [ __ ]. because I did it for 20 years so I watch. people when they watch these shows and. most of the shows I go [ __ ] this is so. stupid I can't even watch this dude. because the world thinks this is what it. is and this is so far from what it is. this is just entertainment but I I I I.

don't know what the fascination with it. because I see it and I just go. I'll watch it and in my mind. there'll be a scene where I've seen cop. movies where like these guys with AK-47s. in the streets and shoot which is. totally unrealistic but anything like a. shooting or anything and for me it just. makes me feel bad. you know I mean for me it's just nine. times out of ten it'll make me think of. something that's inside my brain that I. don't even remember and know that it's. there anymore that all of a sudden like. the example we said earlier I'll see a.

kid in a red jacket and also I'll. I'll literally watch that kid and it. just did it again that ran into traffic. yeah I watched that kid die again I. always go like what the [ __ ] you know. why the [ __ ] am I thinking about that. and when is that finally going to be. gone and that's so crazy and that's all. [ __ ] I'm doing to myself in my mind I'm. not talking about it I'll talk to my. wife about it but that's my experience. that happens to me a lot you know I mean. it happens to me a lot little triggers. what they call them you know. and I think so and I won't it's never a.

good time to go you know what I just. thought of honey. I just thought of the first time I. watched this [ __ ] guy that because I. saw a kid you just kind of keep it to. yourself because it's just the way that. it is. so when the rest of the world watches. that [ __ ]. I don't know dude I don't know what the. fascination is. the same idea I guess is why did you. want me to come in here and talk today. because I guess you people want to know. they want to know they want to know they. want to see they want to understand the. problem with TV is. that's that's a that's a leak that's a.

very watered down version of reality. right and it's also a version that they. have mastered the like how to have the. algorithm of and make it entertainment. cheap to shoot as efficient as possible. blah blah blah blah and a lot of the. people the worst part is I think a lot. of cop maybe you know 50 years ago cop. shows or detective shows how much. somebody who involved in production may. have had a family member that was an. officer now it's like I feel like some. of these people making stuff are so far. removed from any of the reality of it.

that uh they don't even have a human. sense of it and so you know absolutely. and if you watch as a cop if you watch a. show and you'll see it and you go do. someone in law enforcement had something. to do with this you can tell you can. tell you can tell someone someone that. knows a cop or is a cop or has been a. pastor they got a consultant or someone. someone told them that because no one. else would know that what about this man. and say it's a quiet night out there you. ever because there's a way to bust off. and get you a 20 minute nap in somewhere. oh hell yeah [ __ ] yeah yeah hell yeah.

they had spots man especially on. graveyards three twelves after four. o'clock [ __ ] silent radio silent we. would yeah that's it man we would get. together because you want to be safe and. sleep in a group you know and like. wolves or something pretty much and one. guy was Lions you know lions sleep in a. group yeah everybody had there's always. one guy that had to stay up oh you know. I mean then that guy nine times out of. 10 would [ __ ] fall asleep anyways you. know what I mean so I love that guy yeah. but that happened that happens every. night in in cities you know I mean just.

you just have to you know you just gotta. do it in a responsible way and we would. have a couple times we would go behind. this church and it was a parking lot. that was really secluded with the walls. perfect you know we'd have like six cars. back there everybody's sleeping some of. the guys would even take off their belts. you know they get more comfortable yeah. laying sprawled across bring blankets to. lay over the middle and but we actually. would get woken up once while by the. priest he would come in the morning and. see us all there and knock on our window. and it became a thing you know we're all. thank you so much and he was cool about.

he never told on us and you know it just. became our state it was really safe. because we had a priest yeah dude. yeah he's watching over us God literally. watching every that's pretty cool yeah. um did uh oh did they have you know a. lot of people sending people sending. videos a lot of like drug-induced. homosexuality like men that will do. drugs and then start making out you guys. see a lot of that out there uh in. Whittier we had a pretty prominent gay. community. um and but anybody being gay is just.

kind of like that's normal that's like a. regular some people are gay some people. are straight some people are in the. middle. I'm talking about man that get geeked up. on pills or powder or uppers poppers and. all that kind of stuff yeah. methamphetamine is really big in the gay. community so will meth lead people to. being gay you think uh no you could give. me about a pound of math and I don't. think I'd ever be gay I don't think it. ever leads up to being gay but it. definitely it definitely uh I think it. enhanced the situations you know we had.

a part yeah right it made it that's all. it takes there was a little enhancement. get that video Zach do we have it I'm. look I'm looking forward okay cool. thanks yeah we had a park where they. would where the gay community would get. together and kind of meet each other and. and and it was in the bathroom there was. this whole process that they they would. they would participate in to meet one. another and it was you'd stand at the. urinal in the public bathroom and if you. were standing there long enough and did. the right looks that the other guys. would know and it was hey how are you. and sometimes a little further so we. would have guys work um at that time.

just because the people didn't like it. in the park and it became real prevalent. in one part right I mean and and. sometimes the sexual activity was a. little rampant paper much being. performed in a public park so they. wanted to go away so we'd had guys. undercover that would go in and stand. there and think we actually had an. officer that was standing there and he. made himself known as a police officer. because it became a parent and the guy. grabs his his junk and got a death grip. on it because he was scared you know and.

and yeah the situation was hilarious. because he wouldn't let go and we all. had to come in and we're screaming at. this guy let him go let him go and the. guy's just holding on his weiner cops. yeah this guy's standing there with a. death grip on his thing and he doesn't. want to get in a fight or nothing. because there ain't a lot of holding. that on you know so right yeah all it. takes is one real meth head to rip hard. I imagine yeah something I don't want to. discover did um but do um. did uh did you some guys have to get. stationed in the bathroom sometimes. that's what we would do we would go in.

the bathroom and put ourselves in the. situation too because it was a whole. process drugs were very prevalent yeah. hey can I give you some of this and that. because let's see what this is what's. happening we're seeing people sending in. this type of stuff here and these two. gentlemen you can. foreign. buddies you know but I think of the drug. that a certain point gets you pretty. close there you know like hey are we. yeah. it's like oh that's almost like a good.

buy it doesn't really see that to me it. doesn't seem like really like homoerotic. behavior that just seemed like Two. Fellas like I'm [ __ ] up are you oh I. think it's you it looks like the one. guys maybe not totally into it and maybe. he's just trying to get a free slurpee. or something in it for him. but this is a lot of what's been going. on these days and people have been. sitting in a lot of videos like this. yeah we actually. um I when I was in homicide I actually. went to a training course where they. taught about. um in the community in the gay community.

apparently based on the training I. received. there's something called it was called. they called it homosexual Overkill and. when there's murders involved in the gay. community it's usually really really. brutal really passionate really over the. top you know like chopping each other. chopping up and and I think the training. was just to make you aware when you came. to a murder if you saw something that. was completely over the top as far as. the way it went down that it was there.

could be that vot it could be an Avenue. to start looking at you know maybe this. is a maybe a gay community thing where. we can get some information from like. Jeffrey Dahmer really essentially yeah I. mean I remember going to the training. and it was it was very graphic wow. whether that's true in its entirety or. not I don't know well gay guys I think. do everything to extreme kind of so I. don't think I'd be shocked if they're. like you know Julian a guy up or. something if he's being you know a bad. guy yeah. um I think we covered a lot of stuff. what do you think there Zach yeah we. pretty much covered everything in the. show a lot of stories Brad we look man I.

think we'd love to even have you back. sometime we'll have you back when. there's a crime or something or if. there's something neat that we can talk. about I've just I've really enjoyed. learning about what uh some of your. experience has been like you know and. getting a little bit more of an. emotional aspect of of what an officer. goes through and could potentially go. through every day that's crazy when I. think about a 21 year old guy that's. rolling out of a parking lot yeah in a. in a vehicle and like in a different. time I mean a good time when cops were.

looked at a little different I used to. post up at three o'clock in the morning. at the nightclubs getting out you know. because there was actually an appeal to. being a police officer so you know I. started in a good time and I ended in a. bad time for being a cop you know it's. it's but do you think we can get to a. better time again or do you think we. you're curious to see how we're going to. get there yeah I don't know we got to we. have to it's got to get better can't it. can't get any worse or we're going to be. in real trouble but I really appreciate. you have me in here and having the venue. to you know say some tell you some stuff.

about what it really is like and I hope. it's been beneficial and it's been. awesome man it's been fascinating Brad. white uh thank you so much for your time. man absolutely thank you you bet happy. holidays. [Music]. I must be. Cornerstone. I'll share this piece of my life.

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