Rainn Wilson | This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von #442

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he's the salad he's the puddin he's the. tots he's got it all. he's an actor he's a creator. um you may know him from his iconic role. on the office uh he has a new book out. called Soul boom why we need a spiritual. Revolution. uh he also has a new travel show. um that'll be coming out soon you can. check that out called the geography of. bliss he made me laugh and uh just made. me happy so many times in my life I'm.

grateful to sit and talk with him today. today's guest is rain Wilson. [Music]. [Music]. oh. [Applause].

you look pretty nice here I think I look. great yeah great a lot of beverages am I. okay to have this on camera well yeah. will they sue you nope you'll be fine. hey man. in all truth like it's such a pleasure. to meet you and I've been just dying at. your stuff for years I know you get this. all the time but like in all truth like. it was so surprised like Theo Von wants.

you in the show like what. um I'm just I'm a huge huge fan really. oh man I I have just chortled at your. ridiculous brain for for many years and. uh for real yeah wow man that's awesome. bro no for real but no I I'm trying to. I'm honestly trying to genuinely drop in. and uh and hear that and take it in yeah. yeah it's really nice you to say yeah I. just did Bert kreischer's the oops I. just did Bert Crushers the other day and. um.

and it's like you and Bert and Tom like. that whole the whole gang you got going. on like have cornered this whole section. of like comedy and social media and it's. uh I'm a huge fan anyways so it's a. universe man yeah it's a real little. universe that's really nice of you to. say man uh obviously you've. I mean you've made people laugh you. almost have to take a second when you. sit with you to get to just be with you. to get past like the um you see a lot of.

Dwight going on or something like that. no no I'm seeing you I feel like but I. think there's this you have to let kind. of like the uh. you just have to let the premonitions. Fall by the wayside a bit you know or. the right the The Fog that's in before. you that you can't even help of like. just because of your life and your. talent and you know how visible you've. been. um I think there's a little bit of it. sometimes with people probably yeah yeah. you know but I feel like I'm just. sitting here with you all right cool. yeah cool awesome um and thanks man I.

read the first 50 pages of your book. damn that's pretty good thank you I. thought I I figured it's a hell of a lot. better than Bert Kreischer he didn't. read page one oh man. yeah I bet if you'd have written it on. the inside of a 12-pack he'd have read. it yeah he would have you know he would. have oh he's gonna read his own Epitaph. soon dude. wow that's talking about premonitions. that got a little dark a little cold. sorry Bert want you to be alive.

um but I thought it was interesting I. thought it was just it was kind of a. perfect reflection of like where a lot. of people are at in their lives right. now I think just as a society as a. species. um in like this kind of not only a quest. maybe first spirituality but an. examination of spirituality yeah what. spirituality means. um all kind of stuff like that uh so I. thought it was and we can get into it. but um. yeah I know you said that there was it's.

hard for people why do they lock up the. pissers in the office buildings was. interesting why they lock them so do you. want to go from my book on spirituality. to like to locking up restrooms is that. where we is that the transition yeah I. should I do and everything at once kind. of okay. yeah so I have this problem and I think. it's a problem I don't know that it. exists in other cities but in La it's. this kind of thing where every single. bathroom needs a key and like what the. hell like just let them be open like I.

understand if you've got a building like. on Skid Row Downtown like maybe you just. don't want someone setting up a tent in. there and moving in or something like. that like I get that but you'll be like. we're out here in the middle of the San. Fernando Valley what do they think like. someone's gonna wander into this. building off the street and like come in. and like do something nefarious shoot up. drugs in the in the restroom why do you. need keys yeah well they should give you. a certain if you Deuce well enough you. should get a general a key to at least.

so many bathrooms that's a good idea. there could be like an app you unlock it. it's like a game it's like Candy Crush. and you play it enough you're. responsible enough citizen with your app. you get into bathrooms wherever you. could take a [ __ ] wherever you're like. oh I'm going down the valley I'm not. going to name what stop off the 101. you're at but you know you're down the. one-on-one like oh man I really need to. go and like you you have an app it's. like when you have an app that searches. for you know charging stations for your.

electric car you know you've got an app. with a little map on it and then this. allows you to come in and yeah take a. dookie yeah you're privileged yeah I can. [ __ ] off a Victory Boulevard now yeah. and it opens up. I don't know we've got something the key. thing has got to it's a very La thing I. don't imagine they do that in Cincinnati. I imagine in Cincinnati like you just. park and you can just go in and like. take a crap somewhere without a key yeah. and people recognize that people have to. take craps I think it's like here they.

almost want to pretend like. oh God you weirdo have with your body. with your bowels and your old-fashioned. urethra or whatever you have to go and. do urine or whatever like oh you peasant. you know like yeah come get a key like. they almost make it like it's an. outhouse but it's inside kind of right. right it's a it's elitist like La is so. elitist even the bathrooms are elitist. yeah you gotta go sometimes you know. what it's like sometimes you got. appointments around town and you just.

really gotta go what are you gonna do. like Starbucks is really the only place. that's oh grocery stores are pretty good. do you notice that yeah there's always a. bathroom in a grocery store you'd never. think that that's like the land of. accessible bathrooms it's a long hike. you gotta get back in there I'm not. gonna I'm not gonna lie you get you pull. into a Ralph's or an amp you gotta you. gotta Traverse a couple hundred yards. before you get back to that thing and. the frozen food aisle you notice if you. Traverse down that one it feels longer. than the other aisles for some reason.

does it really yeah I think so it feels. because there's it just feels feels. brighter and like kind of vibe or like. someone could have had to be doing a. party in a couple hours. that it's also maybe an optical illusion. yeah and um it's kind of like Luke. Skywalker flying the Tie Fighter through. yes down those long. yeah you're right it all feels the same. so I think there's this weird thing in. your head where it doesn't feel new for. a few seconds yeah so it's just like am. I stuck in a corridor whereas on a. regular aisle it's like these are the. red chips these are the brown uh you.

know little uh cookies so it keeps. changing and it's like do you ever go. back in the back of a grocery store yeah. you gotta use the bathroom and then you. go through the employees Swinging Doors. like employees only but you have to go. back there there's a whole world back. there oh it's a magical world back there. well there's usually somebody's kind of. crying a little bit somebody has a hair. net right sure when you see that out of. the gate you know yeah and then somebody. has their hands on somebody else's back. and they're consoling them but the hands.

are covered with. potato salad. blood where are you going with this I. don't know pla those plastic uh the. plastic gloves yeah the deli gloves but. then potato salad and blood on the. outside of those why so there was. obviously why do grocery stores always. have the same things in the deli section. do you ever notice that you go in you go. shopping it's like coleslaw. potato salad. like a broccoli salad just smothered in.

mayonnaise yeah you got your deli meats. and cheeses but then like it's like a a. shrimp salad you don't know how old it. is it's again smothered in mayonnaise. yes. why don't they mix it up back there in. the in the deli cases of grocery stores. you know what I mean it's 2023 Theo I. think it would create a little bit of. novelty if you thought I'm gonna go see. what new they have there yeah let the. chefs in the hair nets with the plastic. gloves like let them let them be. creative let them be creative let them. be art let them be the artists that they.

are The Artisans. they don't do that you don't feel a lot. of creativity when you wander into the. into that area of the store yeah it's um. that's the saddest section of any. grocery store yeah because it's cold too. you're like oh why'd they put that you. know they could at least give them some. heat. that's right that's right and the guy. everybody looks like. non-binary kind of because of the hair. nets I think everybody has sort of this. you know what everybody's running a meat. slicer it's it there's a lot going on.

it's very game of thronesy right there. yeah you think so there's a lot of like. do you mean it in terms of like people. killing each other or it has an archaic. sort of guillotini kind of. because you're talking about the slicer. yeah with the slicer and then there's. sometimes there's like a meat hanging. you know yeah it's like a one like. wiener of meat like hanging from that's. true there can be a wiener chain oh yeah. so it's just yeah I think that makes you. if you're a kid and your mom takes you. by there you're like oh this isn't for.

us yeah. it's where an appetite goes to die. really you know and you don't really. need to get the meats slight and they. have like a nice like head of like. pastram like pastrami or whatever and. then you say I want a pound of that yeah. but they don't open that one up they've. got another. um old one that's already been. pre-opened and they slice that one up. yeah yeah you kind of pick out the. orphan you want but they bring in the. other orphan you know oh here's a little. Ricky you know.

he's got shingles but he's just as good. as his brother and you're like ah come. on you'll never know the difference yeah. um you know I worked at a grocery do you. ever work I never worked at a grocery. store I had a lot of shitty jobs in my. day but never worked in a grocery store. yeah what was that like did you stock. shelves I did stocking and I got. promoted up to the eventually the. cashier I was associate cashier and then. cashier what's an associate cashier I. didn't know that was that was a position. yeah you just stand by the cashier. bagging oh okay but they called us.

associate cash here it's a bag it's a. Bag Boy it was yeah. it was dude and you didn't at the first. like two weeks you're like um but then. you realize you're not even doing it you. know you're a bad boy she went from. stockroom to associate cashier and. you're like oh I'm an associate cashier. and then it's like I want you to just. put the groceries in the bag yeah you're. like all right. you see the truth that's one of the. tough things about life sometimes is. seeing the truths you know it's one of. the tough things about moving to Los. Angeles you know you love your favorite. TV shows you love Highway to Heaven you.

love Michael Landon you get out here you. realize it's. you know it just they filmed it you know. right outside of burbanks I don't know. what Highway to Heaven is and I see that. box over your head oh yeah I've never. even heard of it before is that a TV. show it was a Michael Landon TV show. yeah where you help people get to heaven. it was like he showed up and was it like. Touched by an Angel only with a dude. yeah. and Victor French was in it oh you. brought you brought it up on the uh.

wait yeah who's that who's that guy. that's Victor French right there if you. click on hit the one with him and Victor. on it yeah now is it. um is it I I don't mean this in any. derogatory way but he looks very Jewish. did they did they want to kind of have a. Jewish presence. since it's about like Angels let me see. if he was Jade up or not let's look up. Victor French and see if Victor French. if you can get a Wiki on him was this a. 90s thing oh he does look Jewish I. didn't realize that yeah.

he was also in Little House of the. Prairies they worked together a lot yeah. yeah. they had a kind of a thing going oh yeah. he was in the little house man he was. awesome oh does it say early life maybe. early career it doesn't specify huh yeah. yeah I guess he does look kind of yeah. he does look a little bit Jewish huh. Victor or Edwin and nothing wrong with. that no not at all we're just saying oh. look there he is his spouse was named. shins so he might have married a Jewish. woman it sounds like. what decade this were you talking about.

90s here yeah 80s 80s and early 90s. um but anyway I was a huge fan but yeah. just to do a podcast where you watch. episodes and like kind of like office. ladies only Highway to Heaven Bros his. office ladies watching your watch in the. office yeah that's like it's like a top. 10 podcasts they get like two million. downloads a week and they just watch. office episodes and comment on them and. they're like oh it was really funny in. this episode that you know Dwight fell. down the stairs and I remember when we. were filming that that kind of thing. yeah I mean they were lovely and.

delightful Jenna and Angela but it's. huge but those those watching shows. watching fan shows are good you could do. a Highway to Heaven yeah I could do. David Spade and Dana Carvey do one where. they talk to people that came on SNL oh. yeah and they have a Sopranos one you. know that one yeah something like that. could be interesting I would do you read. the first part of my book so I would do. kung fu yeah I love I love you you could. tell that you did yeah you could tell. you watched all three seasons you said. in there oh man multiple multiple times.

and bring that up kung fu. with KCC he was the leader in it all he. was the question Kane yeah yeah. it's uh because I'm not familiar with it. sorry go ahead 1973 uh Seasons the. original idea for Kung Fu. uh was created by Bruce Lee. he tried to sell it they were too racist. to have. there it is yeah there's David Carney so. they got a white guy to play a Chinese. guy David Carradine and he was brilliant.

but it was a very racist Choice. um by the uh by the TV networks was it. racist at the time. well you shouldn't have a white guy. playing a Chinese guy like I don't care. what decade it's in like it's I mean it. was more done back then I mean they. would have like black stunt guys that. would have white stunt guys wearing. black face literally you could see. movies where you know. um because sometimes you know what it. could have been too sometimes the. audience wouldn't accept if it was an.

Asian guy they went out and watched it. as much but maybe not huh I I think that. was their fear that's their fear right. Their Fear would be that people wouldn't. watch it but anyways it's a brilliant. show he is studying uh Kung Fu in a. Shaolin Monastery in China and you know. he's the master there we see a couple of. his Kung Fu Masters teaching him the. wisdom of the East and as well as some. martial arts sick martial arts moves and. then. um he gets kicked out of the monastery.

and goes to the old west in the 1880s. he's wandering around the cowboy lands. and uh fighting uh fighting crime not. really fighting crime. righting wrongs okay shall we say. um but bringing the uh his benevolent. Eastern wisdom to bear on every. interaction that he has uh they. encounter a lot of racist Cowboys out. there oh yeah oh you China man you know. spit like and then of course there's a.

couple fights yeah this chopstick's got. bullets in it stuff like that that would. have been good they didn't have lines. not quite that smart but that would have. worked. um but anyways I talk about it in my. book because I feel like there it's it. is a it's a metaphor for spirituality. because in spirituality we we're walking. around the crazy chaotic old west that's. aggressive and violent and we're. bringing to Bear our wisdom and our uh.

you know our our vision we're trying to. create peace bring people together he's. always got really beautiful wise things. to say. um to try and heal people but there's. always like some drunken racist Cowboy. there that you got up at the end of the. day you gotta Pony up you know but I'm. gonna make orange chicken out of you or. something like that that's good that's. good you should have been on this. for them wait that could have been good. yeah good but uh yeah well like but so.

but so go on So You Think So it's like. it's kind of like we need that now we we. can use that I mean we can use that. always but that's what I kind of derived. from the beginning of your book The I. think I read like 23 of it maybe. um but that we. how do we get to where we start to look. at ourselves you want us to look at more. as ourselves as a group and not just as. individuals well that's see that and.

that's the point I bring up Kung Fu. because. to me a lot of people when they think. about spirituality they think about. something I mean there's there's folks. that think of spirituality as synonymous. with church right so they like they go. to church on Sunday and that's where. they get their spirituality and they. hear a sermon but I'm talking about like. many people feel like spirituality is. something that. you know they pray or they meditate or. they read a spiritual book or the Bible. or or a philosopher or something like.

that and they go to the yoga class or. something like that but that that. spirituality is something internal that. we kind of process and develop uh inside. of ourselves and. I bring up Kung Fu because I compare and. contrast it to Star Trek yeah which is. for me a different way of looking at. spirituality because Star Trek is about. the Journey of humanity itself like the. bigger picture. now true Star Trek's more about like.

technology and whatnot but it's. uh in the planet on Star Trek uh. Humanity has had a big war. this is before the Original Series. starts. we've overcome racism out of that war we. we're getting along everyone's getting. along we've solved like sexism we've. solved income inequality there's like. you know great peace and Justice and and. Tranquility on planet Earth which allows. us to build all these spaceships and go.

flying around the universe and seeking. out strange new life and new. civilizations and whatnot. um but there's a there's a there is a. spiritual maturity there's a progression. of humanity right toward this mature. spiritual end so I I bring I contrast. those two because I think that sometimes. people lose sight of the fact that. there can be a spiritual transformation. and maturation of us seven billion of us.

on the planet and um and that's just. something important to talk about and. think about because it doesn't get it. doesn't really get brought up or. discussed that much it doesn't. um a lot of things focus on the now we. get a little bit further out when we. look at things like. um. like our own lives and stuff like that. like the limitation of our own lives. what will happen in our lifetime but. rarely do you start to think what can I. if there's an overall goal that there's.

like a destination as a people or a. populace. um then isn't that and isn't that Theo. isn't that world peace really like do. you remember. I mean you're a lot younger than me but. you're no spring chicken you've been. around the block do you remember when. people used to talk about world peace. like as a as a thing as like yeah dude. yeah I mean I remember Ronald Reagan. yeah yeah you know yeah I remember. Ronald Reagan man.

um. yeah but yeah I remember World Peace We. are the world I remember people were. excited about it they were like we're. mailing hands to Africa where. everything's gonna change we got this. you know David Bowie I think was doing. we should mail all those deli meats and. cheeses and the potato salad and the. shrimp salad no one no one's eating that. crap by the way it's [ __ ] yeah I agree. jelly Goods. if you don't love swallowing pills if. you're not a pill baby you're not a pale.

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Theo thanks to shipstation for. sponsoring this show. you know it's yeah it def it's like well. this is one thing I thought about when I. was kind of delving into your. um in your work was that. yeah it's like you feel this do you feel. compelled to kind of look at this like I. guess you're saying it's a nice somebody. needs to bring this to the Forefront of. conversation that hey we're all here is. there some bigger reason why we're all.

here can we all start to look at that. again like yeah. um that we can have a goal as a species. that maybe you know mother nature and. father time have a goal for us yeah and. we've gotten very off track with our own. Society sometimes I think. American society we may a thousand years. from now look back and like man what a. detour we took yeah with a lot of the. directions we had oh my God I think it's. such a crazy I I I've been saying that. to my friend Aaron the other day like. we're just in this um. time I think that 50 100 years from now.

look bad at back and be like man what a. crazy [ __ ] up time we were in like. first of all here's what we did is we. created these mini computers right with. uh any distraction you could possibly. think of every game unlimited porn oh. social media you can connect with anyone. you can download any piece of. information you'd ever possibly want and. we just sprinkle it out like candy among.

the citizenry you know just like here. here you all go you know have these. devices that and then you've got kids. growing up and they're they're never. well I remember when I was young like. you remember being bored yeah I was. bored so much as a kid I was my dad was. like you're coming with me why I have to. go to the dentist. why do I need to go well I don't want. you sitting at home. you know it's it's going to take a. couple hours and I gotta swing by the. hardware store or whatever yeah so I'll.

get you okay I'll get you two feet of. rope or something like all right I'm in. you know I'll get you a candy we'll stop. by the bank my mom would say yo stop by. the bank and you get the little candy at. the at the in the aisle all right I'll. go okay so I brought a comic book and. like you just sit there and like you'd. hear he'd be in the dentist. and you're just in the waiting room and. there's like a People magazine or maybe. you brought your comic book but you've. already read it so you read it again and. yeah there's just a lot of sitting. around now kids aren't getting bored but.

I'm getting off track no you're not. because it's all part of the same thing. I think your general disposite your. general thought is like. I mean we can talk about boredom I talk. about the moment doesn't exist anymore I. talk about. um. my niece thought imagination was an app. on your phone. uh you said like use your imagination. and she's like where is that I don't. have that downloaded yeah. wow and it blew my mind I was like yeah. because boredom was a chance like that's.

where you came up with your that's where. your Junior came from you know. yes that's where your brain showed its. balls off you know yeah it was like. that's where like you're uh that's where. Bob uh who's the guy with the curly hair. that did all the painting Bob Ross. that's where Bob Ross showed up you know. out of the nowhere in your freaking. amygdala or whatever you know Bob Ross. yeah yeah and you had to like you'd go. up to the count of your dad's in the. back getting drilled on and you like. peek over the counter with a lady.

working right there and you're like you. have no idea and that used to be an. email you know and you used to and you. think like what's her life like yeah. yeah do you have any chocolate I wonder. I wonder what she goes home to yeah yeah. it was what was she wearing under that. nurse's outfit yeah dude yeah and one. time one lady used to give me her shoe. dude and let me uh just play around with. it in the lobby right there dude like. um you had a shoe as a toy yeah my mom. would take me to this place I think it. was like a hair cutter or something the.

lady in the front would give me her. heels and let me kind of think she was. you know open to people being whoever. they wanted to be or whatever at that. time and she'd let me walk around in her. heels in the lobby of the wow it's. called the Looking Glass it was like the. hair salon what town was that Covington. Louisiana okay. um yeah but um but yeah I remember that. and you don't I went to college with a. guy from Covington Louisiana did you. yeah Jed diamond is his name he's an. acting teacher now in Tennessee oh yeah. Jed diamond yeah did he teach in.

Nashville. Knoxville Knoxville okay he might work. at the University too or no yeah yeah he. teaches at the University and wow that's. amazing yeah interesting I don't know. him which is because it's kind of a. small the diamonds uh they had a big. clan but he was there he is look at that. I love that we used to uh I played. hamlet in acting school and he played. Horatio next to my Hamlet oh that's. handsome. photo that's he's not as good looking in. real life as not photos looking oh those. piercing blue eyes really nice guy very.

nice guy very smart guy Jed diamond out. of Covington Louisiana that's cool yeah. yeah we had uh we actually had the. tallest statue of Ronald Reagan in our. town oh that's nice which is interesting. yeah and. um. yeah that's about it but the Harvey. Oswald went to our middle school for a. little while oh that's that's good all. right so you would hear that growing up. things like that like small town lore. and stuff yeah I loved that growing up. but yeah boredom you didn't have it so. your brain got to think and contemplate.

you felt like you needed to wish into. the air if you wanted anything to happen. like you had to have some connection. with the world because you needed to. like set the all your hopes on the. scales of time and that you would. whatever your dreams were you were gonna. make them happen somehow and you felt it. inside of you and now all of so much of. that and like uh are praying our moments. our peace our it all gets there's an app.

for that and it gets yeah. it gets Amplified. and comedy too like I'm not a comedian. like I wouldn't know how to write an. hour and a half worth of jokes and. stories like I just wouldn't know I. would hire someone for that I guess. um if you're available but we spent so. much time bored together too so and my. friend John and I especially we would. play kung fu we would act out scenes.

from Kung Fu we love that but then. you're just like walking home from the. school bus you're not checking your. phones you're throwing pine cones at. each other and at the passing cars and. then you know you see a robin take a. [ __ ] and then you talk about like yeah. oh Birds [ __ ] I guess you know how much. I wonder how much Birds [ __ ] and you. just Muse on that for 45 minutes yeah so. you can catch a bird [ __ ] you try for an. hour yeah yeah throw pine cone try and. catch it right as it's [ __ ] yeah and. then you go home and but that's a little.

cauldron it's a little petri dish of of. Comedy because you're just just. observing things and bumping up into. each other and and uh I I think it must. be harder for for Young Folks these days. because my son is 18 years old and he. gets together with his friends and they. just mostly just look at it at their. phones the whole time they're together. yeah so I don't know yeah you know it's. interesting I sound like a grumpy old. man I don't think you do I think you. sound it's I mean it's the same thing.

that I think it's like is it that I. we're becoming Grumpy Old Men or is it. that we have some concern for the. intrinsic value of what it seems like to. us what it means to be human you know. and I don't know if we are like. or does nature and the gods do they have. some longer Destiny for us to end up as. robots and these are like the shell we. are like just the snails before they get.

the shell you know it's like we don't. know where we are in the chain of time. you know um there was a book a science. fiction book I read well I used to read. the last science fiction it was called. City by Clifford DC Mac and it it it. every section of the book. took you through eons and Earth's. development and like there's after the. humans expired on planet Earth then it. was the dogs so then it's like a whole. chapter about dogs ruling the Earth and.

then it's and then it's the ants and. then the ants rule to Earth and then I. think at the end it's like the Dolphins. or something like that so it's stories. you know set thousands of years apart. um and the dogs are living in the ruins. of humanity so there's these shells of. these cities but they're these talking. dogs and they're talking about life and. love and yeah stuff like that so yeah. maybe this is just one just Pit Stop on. the on the way of the development of. planet Earth. what do you think it makes I don't know.

if it makes me I think there's some part. of me that laments that or makes me feel. sad about it because I think in some ego. way I want to feel more important than. that or I want my time period to feel. more important than that I often feel. like it's very even though I feel like. I'm aware of some of the things that you. kind of think about and the things that. you talk about in your book I feel like. I still struggle to combat those even. though I try to use things like prayer. meditation. um you know I'm in recovery so I go to.

those yeah me too so I'm a part of that. group so which promotes a lot of that. sort of stuff so I I'm an ear for. brothers that are that struggle with. stuff sometimes and. um but even then it's like. it's really hard to not feel like you're. just uh on the conveyor belt sometimes. but that you. maybe we used to have a we used to dance. on the conveyor belt and like whistle. and do marshmallows and stuff and now.

we're just kind of like sitting on the. conveyor belt on our phones you know I. don't know I don't want to sound too. dour what's your biggest struggle my. struggle was um what is your biggest. struggle now. probably affection. probably love and affection that type of. stuff I want to hug you right now well. I wouldn't okay okay thank you though I. mean I'm gonna wait to go I'll take it.

to go I'm gonna I'm gonna wait to the. end of the podcast okay I'll give you a. big one. some guy said in a meeting when they ate. even he goes you know what man you're. hard to pet. hard to pet yeah. and I kind of I've valued that it kind. of taught me something about myself like. you know you're right man I'm hard to. pet uh-huh I don't it's hard for me to. let people pet me hmm. that's a that's a great way of putting. it it was just an interesting Insight. um. what affection you do you mean like. intimacy like yeah I think like with.

good friends and with like uh. relationships and girlfriends and. whatnot yeah I think probably like. commitment and like that kind of stuff. intimacy like really dropping in to. connecting with somebody. um I think it's kind of tough. uh I know it's kind of tough for me yeah. you know I but I don't want to talk too. much about myself. you know okay what about yourself. um I mean obviously a lot in your book.

and a lot in your show you know that. you're search you're in a searching. space yeah I you know I'm in recovery. um I have a lot of anxiety I've dealt. with a lot of depression before a lot of. loneliness. um I've been through some really dark. times. um and uh. you know so for me like part of the. spiritual search and why I'm writing. about it and talking about it and.

thinking about it so much is. I need tools to help me cope with my. anxiety and help me find peace and. serenity. and. and as I undertake that Journey so I. view kind of my anxiety disorder as. something almost akin to diabetes where. you have friends with diabetes and every. day they gotta take their blood right. monitor give them an apple or something. they fall over right exactly shovel some. applesauce in their mouth real quick and.

yeah we had this one dude we'd always. freaking just put one of them Twix in. him bro anyway. I mean I never did that anal Twix I. haven't but they kind of shaped. perfectly right. uh so but I have to do the same thing. with anxiety like I have to uh I have to. not nothing is not anal but I have to. monitor it every day and I can live with. it and I do okay but I do have I have to. meditate I have to work out I have to. pray I have to surrender I have to stay.

connected with people I can isolate. pretty easily yeah so. um. but that has led me on on the search so. I I would say my biggest struggle is. with my own. as with my anxiety and with my ego too. hmm you know yeah ego is so scary isn't. it. I must be. I mean I've been at it for a long time. and I struggled a lot more with ego like. early on in the success of the office. and stuff but must be hard for you like. you were. you're toiling away in obscurity doing.

like Chuckles Comedy Hut in Oklahoma. City and then. all of a sudden like just the last like. four years like you've just like blown. up and like you're practically gonna be. put on Mount Rushmore it's a crazy. amount of. Fame for a you know a itchy Hillbillies. such as yourself you know you're right. dude that's a good call yeah I think uh. oh well it scared me that has to have. been a that has to be a struggle too oh. it's the first thing was a sheer fear I.

thought this was a this was crazy I. thought God has some this was the worst. part that happened I thought God has. some special purpose for me and that. there's something special that he needs. me to do but he does and and that may be. true he has that for everyone I think. right yeah but I now you have a platform. and so you know I feel like I have some. responses with increased power comes. increased responsibility yeah heavy is. the head that wears the crown bro yeah. and you almost wearing the podcast Crown. yeah well they called me the Rat King.

you know and I didn't even pick it out. you know it's just the king of rats but. um but that was real scary Ant-Man you. can order rats around. do you have a psychic connection to rats. by the way I think like think about. Ant-Man like that pitch meeting at. Marvel like all right okay Ant-Man. what's his power yeah he can turn tiny. and you picture them like. uh. that's pretty good I mean that could be.

fun we don't have a shrinking guy but. it's not quite enough we need something. more. um he has a psychic power to be able to. call ants to help him out also he can. shrink. and communicate with ants. we'll call him Ant-Man. but the two Powers really aren't related. at all do you know what I mean yeah I. think it would be like Superman's power. is he has strength and he can fly and he. can also read books backwards yeah you.

know I mean like it doesn't right right. and he can also weigh a Christmas ham. with his eyes right right yeah yeah yeah. that's yeah I think I don't know if well. I think Hollywood has done a they've. done a disservice to imagination because. it's been now I think it used to be a. novel place where more people came they. came out in their wagons from Kalamazoo. with their bag of ideas on their back. yep and now I think it's just you know.

someone so son or grandson they're in. the seventh generation of their Studio. or film they haven't had a new idea that. isn't based on an algorithm walking the. door in 12 years and they wouldn't know. something novel and unique unless it. beat them upside the head I think a lot. of times now that might be a very narrow. view of Hollywood but by why you guys. like Bert and you and Tom I'm sure. there's others but those are the main.

three that I watched like. you don't have you don't have to pitch. anything you can just make your own [ __ ]. and hundreds of thousands of people or. millions of people are gonna watch it. and you get to do your own like Bert's. got a whole Enterprise over there he's. got movies going and oh yeah he's got a. family cooking me and David Spade just. wrote a movie together who is Mike Hall. my my one of my childhood Heroes that's. amazing yeah yeah and you didn't need to. go into Sony and like pitch it or. anything like you just kind of did it. yeah just yeah it'll sell but is it Joe.

Dirt 2 I wish it was damn Joe Dirt seven. they made Joe Dirt too but they made I. didn't know either I didn't know that I. mean I knew but I didn't want you know. nobody was saying that they knew but um. but it was it was something like uh. this one's about Busboys like the last. bus boys. you know and we think if we become. waiters and everything in our life will. change you know but we just it's just a. misguided thought isn't that so true. I remember I was.

very. yeah I always struggling as an actor and. then like oh once I get on a TV show. then I'll be happy and guess what. I'm on the office. and then it was just like well how do I. get to be a movie star now I'm a TV star. and like the second I'm TV star I can't. even like enjoy it yeah like a month I'm. on to like like. how do I get to how do I get to be a. movie star and guess what it didn't work. out so well for me trying to do movies.

you mean yeah the movies move my movies. never people never really liked or saw. my movies very much um one day you'll. probably make a really neat movie that. people will see well I think a lot of. them were neat and and people tell me. they like them now like The Rocker and. stuff like that but like that was my big. I don't know if you remember that movie. The Rocker so you don't even know it. existed yeah what about you you know. about it I saw it in theaters you saw it. in the theater hell yeah bro thanks Zach. for holding the team together wow that. was 14 years ago how old were you.

must have been 16 or something like that. there he is. there it is and Bradley Cooper and the. oh yeah I remember seeing the average. yeah Oh I thought this was John uh. what's his name Barry. Bill Hader yeah yeah I used to kind of. look like Bill Hader when I was a little. better looking and younger. you still seem like a handsome guy oh. you're stop you. um. but anyways this was like oh I'm putting. all my eggs in this basket The Rocker.

um this is my chance my starring role in. a comedy movie and it was one of the. biggest bombs in Fox history yeah it. opened on like. there's this thing called per screen. average I mean truth be told they move. the launch date like five times they. pushed it to a release after like Labor. Day. like literally like the worst weekend. everyone's getting ready to go to school. yeah um that's the worst it came out. like three weeks after Tropics Thunder.

and two weeks after Step Brothers so. there were all these amazing comedies in. the theater already we just and like the. came out in like two thousand or three. thousand screens and like the per screen. average was like. 203 or something like that and it's like. it was brutal I put I worked so hard on. it I promoted the hell out of it and no. one wanted to see the rain Wilson. starring vehicle and it was devastating.

but why you know why was I in such a. place back then and I think I'm in a. different place now where it's like you. say about the busboy like oh if only I. can get to be a waiter then my life will. be made. um but oh if only I can be. I'm a TV starf only gonna be a movie. star then I will be happy yeah you know. but but then you want to walk on the. Hollywood Walk of Fame or then you want. you know your kid to be a movie star you. don't mean anything I you know yes I. think that search for different things. never really ends but I think we have to.

try and monitor where does that search. come from right and what are exactly we. searching for and that's the kind of. thing honestly not to go back to your. book but I think it that's kind of some. of the stuff that is touching on it's. like where some of these motivations. coming from not only for me as a person. but where's our motivation coming from. as a specie and as a human if we want. external validation if we want to find. happiness extreme extrinsically that's. outside of ourselves.

um you know we're never we're never. going to be satisfied we have to find. um that deep soul-rich satisfaction of. being alive you know in the garden of. our hearts you know tending to you know. what fulfills us and brings us joy and. talk about being in the moment you know. that's such a key part of it it's hard. um and then when we're able to cultivate. that then we're able to spread that and. give that to others you know and one of. the things that you get to do and I.

think you're great. Divine and solemn responsibility and I. put the rat king crown on your head and. anoint you King Rat and I say to you you. are a spreader of joy. you make people laugh you spread Joy you. spread ideas you uplift people there's. probably some really depressed guy right. now sitting in a trailer park in Mobile. Alabama taking a [ __ ] and he doesn't. know where he's going to pay the next. month rent and he's listening right now. to this as he's watching and he's.

chortling in all of your analogies and. your your verbal sense of humor and your. and your humble demeanor and and and. he's uplifted and and that that is uh. that is a divine power that is your. Ant-Man Powers is to is to uplift and. inspire. not just summon rats hmm. or summon decent rats. yeah. yeah because that's really the best hope. to be is just a d you know be a decent.

rat be a decent rat I like that I kind. of like that too man is that gonna be on. your merch page now it could be we can. put it on there yeah yeah we can put a. deal you put my little face there on it. all right. um what's your name again. Alex Zach my brother's name is Alex you. can name him Zach or Alex. um you can name him Alex Zach it's nice. to have him there because he smiles when. it's funny yep someone's not really an. audience right there isn't you also have.

to recognize his sin his sense of humor. may not be the same as yours so. sometimes you might be being funny and. he doesn't he is deadpan Stonewall he. doesn't fake it really for you which I. like yeah it feels authentic it feels. legit I think he I I think that but I've. already I've worked I got a couple. Giggles out of Zach yeah I try I'm. honest with it he is honest with it he's. out of Cincinnati and he's honest with. it I would say that that's about him was. he from Cincinnati that's what I said.

about bathrooms in Cincinnati yeah. that's krp right. the turkeys from the sky remember then. oh they shot turkeys out of the air they. threw turkeys out of the sky in that. show that's what that's the only thing I. remember I never saw those before WKRP. in Cincinnati you ever saw that show. yeah so yeah I used to watch that in the. 70s golden age of uh the sitcom All in. the Family I loved it God he was good. Carol O'Connor have been to his grave. seven times. you've been to Carol O'Connor's grave. seven times yup that is that is a. devotion and dedication where is where.

is his grave in my backyard yeah that's. why I was mowing the lawn every time I. mowed the lawn that was Carol O'Connor. he's buried in my heart. where's his grave he's buried in. Westwood there's a cemetery in Westwood. okay uh right by UCLA yep I thought. that's one with like a thousand soldiers. in it nope oh there's that one but. there's another little one like a. quarter of a block okay it's behind some. business buildings you never think it's. there Hugh Hefner is in there Marilyn. Monroe. Carol O'Connor.

um who's the guy from uh who are the two. old guys from the angry grandpas where. they're in the boat and they're hitting. them Walter Matthau yep Walter Matthau. it's pretty good I got that yeah like. who the angry old God of them and Jerry. matineau and the last one is the other. guy Jack. lemon lemon. both of Grumpy Old Men were buried there. all buried there in the same Cemetery. wow and the first guy that ever played.

Robin Hood. Kevin Costner I thought he was still. alive oh no Tarzan. or Robin Hood. I'm Googling this [ __ ] someone. um. maybe it could have been him could have. been Pierce Brosnan too. he's still alive. oh then not him congrats Pierce. well done Pierce.

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yes. um it's just education like the. educations what we educate. youth on it all really. to me a lot of it is asinine. I talk about. later on in the book I talk a lot about. how. systems are broken this is where I get a. little I wax a little philosophical I'm. like so many systems are broken anyone. who works in any system will tell you.

how broken it is you ever notice that. like you talk to someone who's like a. bus driver like what's it like being a. bus driver is like well it's gone to. [ __ ] yeah I'll tell you why they're. making us work 14 hours and not enough. people and we don't get to park the. buses downtown and it's BYOB yep and you. get yeah you got to wipe down the seats. yourself we used to have guys that wipe. down the seats and you know every system. is broken down because it's everything's. based on on Greed you know everything's. based on aggression and greed and one. upsmanship and competition and.

um you know and health care and. Agriculture and and education is one of. those systems. and the reason I bring all this up is. not to be like negative Nelly but to. kind of say like we uh need to uh. realize that they're based on faulty. systems like take education and I talk. about. when they pull people and they're like. hey what do you want to learn in school. people will be like.

gardening. you know are how to have a friendship or. how to take rejection or how to you know. work on a car engine or how to pay bills. right and and have like a banking. account you know all the stuff that they. people say they want you don't ever. spend you don't learn [ __ ] about that. you spend my son is 18 like some of the. stuff like his math class it's like give. me a break like he's not going to be a. mathematician and he's in like this.

it's so hard and it's so pointless and. yeah and you get something out of math. like you it it exercises your brain. right it's like Advanced Sudoku right. um which is good for brain oh yeah but. it's not practical at all and like he. took this history class and his entire. history class like European history was. just about who won what battle you know. in 1707 the French beat the Polish and. in 1842 the English Beat the Dutch and.

yeah and the Dutch beat the gays and. you're like what is this hey yeah. where's this going yeah like who's. writing this yeah yeah I agree man but. who cares about that like who who cares. who won the Battle of shish kebab and. you know in 1684 you know yeah 100 I'd. much rather learn how to how to you know. if I was 17 to have a checking account. or how to grow a cabbage yeah oh I'd be. sick dude you saw some freaking hot.

chick with a balance checkbook and two. heads of lettuce you know what I'm. saying buddy. but dude yeah I agree there should be CL. like I always thought there should be. classes on like. um like we had spelling every week right. three kids did the best 16 kids did. medium four kids could not spell ever. yeah and it was the same for the whole. like after four weeks let's just say. we get we know what's gonna happen yeah.

let's move on like I think let the four. kids yes just Duke It Out Among. themselves yeah I was always in the. medium yeah I was a good speller you're. a good speller yeah did you ever make it. to some kind of finals I made it almost. but I missed on inconvenience right. that's inconvenient yeah I wrote that. line on the in the office. um uh I lost the spelling bee I. misspelled the word failure. and uh I actually wrote that line I felt.

kind of proud of that hey Zach. yeah give us a tough word let's have a. little spelling bee all right. Renaissance. um mirror him. the fair of the motel. uh the fair all right. r-e-n-a-i-s-s-a-n-c-e no. Renaissance r-e-n-n-a-i-s-s-a-n-c-e.

just one in he's right you got it. well it's also you have two ends in your. name so you probably where it's like I. was sure it was two ends I was so sure. two s's okay let's do best two out of. three then. I'll and I'll pick a category two. Outdoors just Google. spelling bee words. okay I won't pick a category then I'll. take my category back. um. these are all easy these are for babies.

hold on look up harder spelling bee. words I did High School. senior year Community College yeah. gesticulate. oh g-e-s-t. -i-c-u-l-a-t-e. pretty easy talking with your hands. being Italian even doing that too. yeah I think here's a class you should. have right rain. eye contact. what a great class the first week it's.

all eye contact how you doing Betty you. know what do you what do you what about. the second week then you move up you do. nodding. [Laughter]. so why don't you just say like. interpersonal communication yeah. yeah you put that you're scaring off a. lot of folks that's okay let them be. scared okay kids need it people need it. right now you know you look on college. campuses and some of the most popular. classes like the most popular class at.

USC is on friendship. like how to have friendship yeah well. it's yeah I mean because look what we do. you yeah I think you do eye contact. nodding you if you you do well in. nodding you get to you get to move into. the handshakers Union right and then. you're there you're doing real. handshakes in real time with people. right right but you're learning yeah how. to communicate how to take rejection. like you said that would be great oh. damn you suck oh man all right bro but.

I'm still good at this right but we. teach it's like we go straight from like. dinosaurs to sex ed it's like you. believe in Tyrannosaurus Rex let's [ __ ]. you know. [Laughter]. like that's crazy bro yeah we there's so. much as right none of it is based on no. one has ever [ __ ] a dinosaur. oh I I believe no because they never. overlapped humans and dinosaurs never. overlapped it's like million a year. after the last dinosaur died before. humans there's no pictures of humans and. dinosaurs at the same time.

well there's no there's no pictures. before 1880. paintings but yeah there was no there's. no wall carving woolly mammoths yeah it. could be that someone [ __ ] a woolly. mammoth oh yeah in the plasticine. brunettes they called them back then. yeah you know art they're so woolly yeah. oh especially on a cold night yeah oh. sure oh oh sure I would braid that tail. it would sleep in that vagina oh yeah.

it's like a rucksack you know. oh I bet if they had a newborn baby if. they're riding on a woolly mammoth they. just plop that right in there yeah yeah. why not. um. that's the only sound that they hear. they do. All Aboard trains leaving the station. but they don't [ __ ] dinosaurs. um but that's him you know I think yeah. like getting back to being human do you. sometimes I will romanticize Native.

American and tribal people and the. connection that they had to the Earth do. you do that I do very much I I really uh. believe that we have a lot to learn from. Native American folk. um the way that by and large they lived. in harmony with the natural world and. the thing I think about with a lot of. indigenous peoples in their spiritual. practices is that spirituality wasn't. separate from nature. and when you think about that it can be. very inspiring you know what I mean like.

this mountain is Holy you know this. river is the river of our ancestors this. is where our ancestors are buried in. this forest and that's holy let's pray. to the spirit of the mountain or to the. spirit of the of the river of the spirit. of the forest and so it isn't this idea. of God as this kind of dude like a deity. like a like with superpowers right you. know up on a cloud yeah it's merged into. the natural world the beauty the Majesty.

the Wonder the Wonder The Mystery of the. natural world you know the winds the. four directions and when you read about. Native American spirituality I think it. can be very uplifting and it was very it. was very helpful to me because I um. was reading some stuff about. um in the Lakota Sioux tradition the the. god of the Lakota Sioux is called is. referred to as wakantanka which means. the great mystery so even the word for.

God instead of maybe we should all do. that is throw away the word god it's. such a loaded word right except for. Michael Landon in this Highway to Heaven. but that. um and just substitute the great mystery. like you know did you did you pray to. the great mystery today or right oh. thank the great mystery or ask the great. mystery for help or like you know create. Mystery damn it yeah I don't know yeah. but I I really love that idea and that. was very resonant for me as a young.

person because I was really struggling. with God and higher power and I didn't. know what that meant to me and you know. my parents were religious but I didn't. have the same conception that they did. and that really allowed me to kind of. have a different vision for what a. higher power could be which was. something that is not separate from. nature and something that is not. separate from physical reality it is in. physical reality and and in nature and. and yet part of it and also above it at. the same time and the idea I love.

I was gonna say I love mysteries but I. don't mean like I love mystery podcasts. I mean I love. you know I just love as an artist I love. the idea of life being this mystery and. uh so I I found that very helpful and I. think we could get real humble and we. really screwed over Native Americans in. this country and yeah we should go back. to the reservation and help them out and. and learn from them and not you know. tell them what to do and when to do it. but actually be humble and learn from.

them because they might have something. to teach us. a great I mean I think we I think we're. start there's a lot of people that are. trying to get back to those spaces now I. think in a lot of ways you know you see. it with like a lot of Ayahuasca use and. people getting back to the jungle and. having experiences that really bring. them closer to Nature yeah. um but I can imagine yeah I'm not gonna. litter if I think that the ground has. some semblance of sacredness of course.

not right things are gonna have so much. more value to me yeah I'm not gonna. strip mine that mountain right and uh. cause an ecological disaster you know. there's all these floods that have been. happening in West Virginia and they they. call them when they were doing all the. strip mining in the 70s and 80s they're. like this is gonna be an ecological. disaster because you're wiping out all. these trees and you're just digging. these trenches and digging up the coal. you know from these mountainsides and. then when it rains and floods you know. you just you're you're [ __ ] yeah um.

but if those mountains were sacred. the people wouldn't tolerate it you know. because you can have both you can have. jobs. and you can have sacred land. yeah we kind of sold our I mean I think. about that a lot like especially in the. US did we like sell ourselves out or did. we how did we get on this wrong path. where. um. or are we on a wrong path you don't know. but it feels like. there's some there must be something.

more if so many people are looking for. meaning I think and feeling you know. something real. um. and especially before we get so trapped. into the digital universe that you can't. even come out I mean there a smile might. be in a museum one day you might have to. go to a museum to see a smile I like the. Museum of smiles. but that'd be so crazy yeah remember. Rick.

you'd be right up there yeah remember. when Eddie got his first remember. remember when Eddie orgasm yeah remember. when Eddie got his first orgasm he's. just like. it's not quite a smile okay okay like uh. you go to the curator like that's not. technically a smile it's a Grimace of. Ecstasy but it's not quite a smile like. hey it's our biggest attraction buddy. all right calm down. I think too like we're at you know we. talked about people in the future.

looking back at this time we talked. about phones and distractions and. boredom but the other thing too is like. the amount of disunity and the fact that. America is so divided 49 on each side. Democrat and Republican and this. partisanship and the how deadlocked it. is and how much fighting there is. um and it's and it's really it's so sad. because we've so many problems that need. fixing you know and. you know like Republicans might.

criticize Democrats like oh they're. running their cities terribly and. there's all this homelessness and they. kind of mock it right on Fox News and. then the left does the same thing. they'll be like to find some other. problem in repo Republican states and. like and then make fun of that and it's. like why aren't we helping each other. like why why is partisanship become the. de facto way to kind of do business like. it doesn't it doesn't make sense it's. not practical it doesn't get [ __ ] done. and it's not helping anyone and we.

really need to move past it you know I. was thinking about. um debates. and uh isn't it funny on like you watch. a political debate and then immediately. there's articles like an hour later like. who won the debate and the reason that. they say that they won the debate is. they got more zingers in on the other. person. and then that's who we elect is the. person who is able to get more zingers.

in on the other person as if that's a. leadership skill could you imagine. you're running for class president as a. senior in high school and like you know. it's it's it's Bobby and Darren and like. Bobby's like well Darren's got a such an. overbite you know he looks like a. woodchuck. let's vote for him like no the teachers. would never allow that looks now what's. your policy position how are you going. to help the school like how are you. going to fix Darren's teeth how are you. how are we going to have a fundraiser.

for braces for Darren and his poor old. everybody yeah like I agree but yeah. it's that is well the news something. happened when the news fell off it used. to feel like and we talk about this. sometimes on here that you could rely on. the news right yeah I feel like my. parents and your parents probably felt. like the news uh had a general interest. in the wellness of their viewer yeah and. now it does not it feels like the news. wants to be like a nicotine for their. viewer.

um right and that uh outrage keeps you. watching and if you read if you look. through like Yahoo news feed online I'm. not talking about like cable news but it. works in cable news too if they keep you. outraged yeah they keep you coming back. people like they always end like the end. of the new show like yeah after the. commercial you won't believe yeah what. this kid did to this man's face yeah. with a baseball bat yeah after these. messages this guy hit a two run double. on this senior citizen like Jesus wow.

yeah that's a terrible baseball analogy. some guy's dead yeah man's head. found locally we'll be back right after. this still alive and it'll say and. you're like what did you use it. a show picture. yeah it makes you but then like they're. you feel like there's a swing to. everything so it's like are we just. hopefully at this point of the pin it. you know we're at the out and then. there's a turn that we can't see that's.

coming or that maybe we hope for you. know because I wonder if people have. thought this way in the past as well if. people have felt as nervous about the. future well Civil War. oh that had to be definitely huh yeah I. mean that was. that that resulted in hundreds of. thousands of deaths right you ever hit. any of the reenactments or anything. probably not where you're from you're. from the Northwest right from Seattle. yeah we have reenactments but you got to. go to probably well you probably you'd.

fit right in a crowd dude we'd be out. there at the cwrs bro freaking chilling. bro. what is the cwr Civil War reenactment oh. okay yeah yeah. and uh yeah just did you did you all. being from the south be like okay we're. gonna need 20 Yankees and like no. no. yeah Theo you gotta be Yankee I don't. want to be a [ __ ] Yankee like the. South will rise again like everyone. wanted to be well people kept Southerner. people played a lot of like southern.

music and [ __ ] you know because the. party was better for the South and. before that like it was like the. breakfast or whatever the big breakfast. they would do before the fight or. whatever was definitely because the. South loses every time you know there. was one day where they kind of won but. it was like. um. you know historically they've lost and. so yeah sometimes you'd have groups from. the north that would come and they would. do it it was like a big deal oh you'd. have Yankee reenactors come down and. yeah it's like a Renaissance Fair kind. of but they would know that they were. going to win so they'd be like [ __ ].

Y'all yeah there was a lot of that but. there was also like you know afterwards. everybody would have you know have a. michelobra slits you know and try to. like sometimes they would do it around. the same time as a renaissance fair and. people would come over and everybody try. to like bang some chick from the. Renaissance Fair so they Buxom oh man. right God did they I'll say this about. the renaissance fair dude hot chicks no. no chicks Civil War reenactors right. none a lot of masturbation a lot of. people drawing Cooter in the dirt and. stuff you know and [ __ ] woolly.

mammoth carcasses yeah right and left. yeah yeah a lot of people writing girl. on their Buddy's butt you know a lot of. like a lot of obtuse ideas out there. yeah yeah but uh oh Renaissance Fair God. oh yeah I could see you at a Renaissance. fan I could be honest yeah have you been. to some I have been I'm a huge fan I. actually wrote. a a pretty hysterical script called. Renaissance men that comedy that took. place at a Renaissance Fair.

um we tried to sell it for years we. tried to get it going. um but it didn't really take off it's. very funny do you wanna would you like. to be in it yeah. could you find someone else to to be in. that yeah man or woman you think man. it's a buddy comedy two guys yeah you. can find someone else to be in it yep. what kind of guy does the other guy have. to be. well I don't know so there's one guy. that's really intense and takes a. Renaissance Fair like really seriously. he's a little bit more of a Dwight. character and the other guy's more of a.

player and like seducing the ladies and. like doesn't take it as seriously yeah. they could be the player guy yeah who. wants to throw an accent in my butt you. know what I'm saying I don't know what. you're saying I literally I don't know. what you mean get your motor running. yeah so maybe the music will be a little. bit like from a different era though. yeah that's that's not the right okay it. would be like a Madrigal okay like. Rapunzel like let me go get Rapunzel. like green sleeves. I lost my love you do me wrong to have.

cast me out so disdainfully God. Something Beautiful about that and I. have loved you so long I fare thee well. with my hair so free I don't know the. rest of it but. it sounds good man I'm serious I'm gonna. send you the screen yeah I'd love to. read it I really would that'd be an. honor actually because you guys this new. you youngins near young podcast.

generation you and Bert could do it oh. well Bert just did a movie too yeah he. just did a movie about the machine about. being the machine yeah yeah. um you talk about uh. you talk about faith. in your book yeah. what's that been like for you and like I. know in in Hollywood a lot of times. seemed like there's not a lot of faith. in it I mean it's a very business world. you know and maybe the world is overall. I don't want to just I pick on Hollywood. a lot good you should but it's very uh.

I don't know you know I like faith I. like having something other than myself. in the world I need it yeah I do too. yeah. um yeah it's I tell you something. I was thinking about this the other day. like there's a lot of weirdos in the. comedy World in Hollywood. and everyone kind of Prides themselves. on being like Oh I'm eccentric and I'm. weird and this and that and but for me. it was always a little weird because I'd. always want to talk about faith and God.

and the soul and life after death and. kind of big Concepts and whatnot. and the comedy world just did not know. what to do with me like who is this guy. who's talking about God it's the. unsexiest uncoolest thing to to talk. about. anywhere and but especially like in the. too cool for school comedy world so. you've got all these eccentrics and. misfits and losers as they describe. themselves but then they also want to be. cool they want to be like the cool kids. in the lunchroom right the cool kids. table.

so it was it was always hard for me. because I always wanted to talk about. that stuff and people just didn't know. what to do with that guy he's also weird. that guy who plays Dwight but then he. talks about spiritual topics and stuff. well The Gods Must Be Crazy it was a. huge movie wasn't it yeah yeah it was I. remember somebody snuck that in our. apartment when I was a kid and we. watched that's a South African movie. about the about the coke bottle yeah. yeah that fell down from the sky yeah I. was like what is this even about but.

we've watched it probably 30 times. family man have you seen that. yeah with uh Nicolas Cage God is it good. huh yeah I love that movie dude I love. that I'm a big family man guy I've never. met another family man fan I think it's. terrific and it kind of came and went I. think it's a Christmas classic me too I. played it for a girl at Christmas. recently yeah she didn't pay attention. fell asleep during it oh and we don't. date anymore good good. and that was it for me bro right yep. yeah family man oh the one where the guy.

uh Quaid talks with his through the. radio the radio yeah yeah. I loved that movie yeah right that was. good the ghost of his father like yeah. the radio yeah God that was powerful. that was good frequency frequency God. that was good yeah I mean that hit me. right in the freaking heart nuts man. um but you were talking about God and. faith and um yeah I don't think it turns. people off I think people are desperate.

for it well it's it's a different day. now it's a different age and it's funny. because I just did Bert Bert's podcast. and uh his is a lot bigger than yours. like in what studio size no like numbers. like he's his his is huge oh you're. making that up. I'm just trying to sorry sorry I was. trying to incite something and you are a. little bit and you are and I like it I. was getting yeah I was getting it I like. it I have no idea that hurt I just know.

that you guys are very very popular but. it was so great because Bert it was so. refreshing because he's like oh you. wrote a book on spirituality that's so. cool. um what do you talk about like oh I talk. about God and he's like I love God God. is awesome I totally believe in God I. love God you know and he's like and it. was like it was yeah it was so cool to. hear that from like a top comedy guy who. was just able to just say. you know it's a different it's a. different time right now and I think.

because things aren't working out so. well and we see big problems and people. are turning and and this is what soul. boom is about. I want it up on that. shelf one of these days you know what. I'll put it up actually you know what. I'll put it in front of This Book for a. while you put it in front of Jordan. Peterson yeah I'd be glad to oh thank. you I really I really uh enjoyed the 50. pages that I read all right yeah I hope. you read the next 50. I think there's a. lot of things we talk about it in here. but I think people are are more open to. spiritual ideas because the other you.

know political Solutions and economic. and legislative kind of it's not working. you know it's not work things are. breaking down and people feel that right. it's let us down you know I think it's. you know people used to feel a sense of. purpose more we were talking about this. a few weeks ago with the school. shootings and stuff I think some of the. reasons why you get these folks is you. have people that have no sense of. purpose right they don't get it through. their job anymore because it's a lot of. big companies and there's not the the. place in your town that makes like. you know your favorite shoes my dad.

works at the shoe company and we wear. the shoes my dad makes and there's a. sense of Pride that like a place was. connected to a product you know and it. was and you're part of your. personalities and you went into work. because you knew your kid was going to. be wearing the thing and you wanted to. have a you wanted to [ __ ] get home. and see have a sense of something in the. home when you got there you know. um and just like there's no sense of. purpose through work a lot of people. don't have a family they're not not in. love or loved and so you don't have a. sense through love of purpose but let me.

add to that okay and this is has to do. with religion like so much of America. has turned away from religion and so. many young people have and for a good. reason there's been a lot there's a lot. of. shitty things about organized religion. oh a lot of pervs out there a lot of you. know a lot of big dogs you know touching. kiddos and you know being molesters you. know yeah yeah and also like church can. be very judgmental you know of people. you know gays and lesbians and and.

whatnot and they can it can it can you. know cause a lot of disunity in in ways. but we people have also lost purpose as. they've lost their sense of uh of the. community that uh religious faith can. give you know because what does religion. give you gives you community a shared. sense of purpose you know Transcendence. love like service like service projects. you know I have friends that are part of. churches or in my own Baha'i faith you.

know going out and doing service. projects on the weekend together working. together side by side praying together. common prayer singing together right. potlucks like just like there's we've. jettisoned everything having to do with. religion but there are a lot of. positives that come from that world oh. pot looks like pretendance having to. pretend somebody's casserole is good to. their face dude yeah yeah and the good. casseroles are taken like right off the. bat oh yeah like someone comes in with.

like a tater tot and cheese casserole. with ground beef oh and it's like the. pan is dry as soon as it turns 18. brother it is off the table yeah yeah. and then but someone else brought you. know the green bean salad like yellow in. it yeah vinegar and uh and it's like. there's plenty of that left why don't. you have some of the green bean salad. the tater tots are gone but. dig in there's a bird there's like a. walk not even eating and just walking on. it like ah this is bad but no I agree a.

sense of community those are things that. I love about church you see a sense of. community you know kids get to see each. other on the weekend it's things like. that yeah you get that in 12-step. meetings yeah oh a ton of it yeah it's. why I go man pottery and it's why I go. yeah I see people that care about me and. that I care about I forget there's a I. have a forgetter in me that my heart has. a quick forgetter in it you know. um it forgets that I care about people. in a way and I got to see them you know.

but the second I walk into an a meeting. I see like oh Jimmy's getting a year. chip today and man. and I've seen him in 50 meetings and I'm. [ __ ] it's like I'm his like I'm his. actual blood brother and I couldn't be. more happy for him you know beautiful. yeah there's just something about it you. know being in a place like that there's. things like AAA and recovery meetings. that make that make me feel hopeful. about Society right right you know and. that and I love the way that uh 12-step. meetings are run like there's no leaders. yeah there's no clergy there's no one in.

charge um. there's no uh Kings or presidents or or. anything there's it's just the inmates. running the Asylum you know and you you. elect them every couple months and. someone's in charge of the phone list. and someone's in charge of the book. table and you know um it's beautiful. you're like oh we're all you know there. we're there's no leaders there are only. trusted servants yeah yeah yeah that and. stuff like that gives you hope for the. future you know. um.

but it's interesting and I don't want. this to be like a conversation that's. like dour. you know because also you have your show. that is kind of a search for happiness. kind of and I found it to be a real. Charming kind of you know like here's a. guy going to see where people are happy. and why. yeah so uh do you want to talk about. that at all I would love to talk about. that okay so the geography of bliss is a. travel show coming out. in late May on the peacock Network which.

is where the office is where it lives. and breathes. uh and doesn't die it just keeps on. chugging it ever could. apparently we we thought it was dead. upon arrival but anyways he keeps. chugging along and but the geography of. bliss is um and I never thought I'd have. a better show than the office I really. really because nine Seasons 200 episodes. everyone got along. made a big impact was funny as hell. it's great character great money like.

fun fun people everywhere oh yeah I saw. Kevin scoping chicks at a club once did. you and it was like the best time ever. so cool yeah. um but didn't you almost have a show. right before the office that didn't go. through yes that's good good memory yeah. I was supposed to be on this um. Janine Garofalo. uh TV show. and we did it and on the way to the. table read for it I ran into this TV.

executive and he's like oh I'm so. excited we're going to do the American. version of The Office. and I had seen the English version I. loved it and I was like. ins I was outside I was like oh that's. great inside I was like [ __ ] I want to. be on that. like okay you got to go to the table. read for this Gene and Janine's lovely. it's not about her but the pilot was. very good. we read the pilot Bob Odenkirk was in it. me and Bob Odenkirk nice man. um. and uh Mark Maron oh yeah yeah.

and it went so the read through went so. bad they pulled the plug on the spot by. the time I got home they were like. they're not shooting they closed the. donuts up even uh and I was like inside. I was like I get to audition for the. office sure enough a month later. auditioned for the office and got and. got Dwight a few months after that so. had I gotten so you never know kitties. yeah sometimes a rejection and a. disappointment is a good thing and it.

just is a a path forward where other. doors can open oh yeah what they say it. sucks to lose a limb until you're in a. um one-legged contest. are there a lot on one-legged contests. I'm not sure can you Google that Bob uh. Kid Rock has a one-legged brother. and every time I see him I say man you. think with all the money you have you. buy your brother or another prosthetic. leg yeah dude or an Android leg Yeah.

Yeah Jesus you know like a bionic thing. yeah like a leg saber do you remember. the bionic man not like saber you never. saw The Bionic Man uh-uh. oh it was great I love the Little House. in the prayer we loved a lot of Michael. Landon stuff we loved a lot of. um Bonanza going back after Bonanza post. Bonanza I did like all in the family. because and I like The Jeffersons I like. Good Times. temporarily oh. is it cradle rip off.

sometimes yeah I love that. um. so the geography of bliss is a show. where I travel around the world and I. look for happiness in other cultures so. it's like Anthony Bourdain but it's for. about happiness not food and we went to. Iceland Bulgaria Ghana West Africa. Thailand and then back here in Los. Angeles. and it's so fun man I love these kind of. conversations having deep meaningful but.

fun and silly conversations and. um it's a it's a terrific show it's. really uplifting. um it's inspiring and hopeful people. need some hope these days remember I. told you that's your Divine. responsibility I appreciate that it's. yours too I think it's why we're even. having this conversation because we're. curious about hope you know yeah. people need hope it's a precious and. depleted resource. and uh there's a lot of pessimism out. there and we gotta we gotta turn that. pessimism around and uh make people.

believe that there is a bright day there. is a Star Trek future for Humanity where. we can all get along and work together. and solve problems and make the world a. better place we do it we start small we. start on a podcast you start in a family. you start in a cul-de-sac and you spread. out from there and then you bring it to. your workplace. but we're not going to do it with the. the way the current media system is and. we're not going to do it with the way. that the current political partisan. politics system works in our country.

it's uh it's killing us killing us well. some of it could be changed I mean one. thing that we haven't podcast started. was because people felt like they. couldn't get through into like sitcoms. talented comedians felt like they. couldn't get opportunities you know I'm. not saying just me but even like. predecessors in podcasts they wanted to. have a place to have a voice right yeah. because even acting is just a way you. want to be able to have a place to put. yourself in the world yeah you want to.

be able to have a voice even if it's a. physical voice yeah you know. um so that's why that started and that's. made conversations more long form and. been able to get uh people's points. across like I remember seeing Bernie. Sanders on Joe Rogan right and. I've always been of the ilk that I think. they should have to have one candidate. you shouldn't be able to pick up if. you're Republican you shouldn't be able. to pick a republican vice president you. should have to have a democratic vice. president right and vice versa so that.

that way you're always in contention of. idea yeah so you have to figure out the. best idea between the two of you in. order to get it enacted or bring It. Forward right force people to work. together right like I would have loved. probably uh Trump uh Bernie ticket right. because you're right you're going to see. two totals gonna throttle each other. they wouldn't have been at each other I. agree Trump would have crushed him like. a like a stick insect and that would. have just cost them the uh the. possibility of maybe getting elected but. you would have had to see two guys that.

were different have to figure it out. together right. um but um yeah but I remember listening. to Bernie Sanders it was the first time. I got to hear him in a long point I. didn't hear a clip that the media said I. didn't hear like a two minute rebuttal. on a. um Joe Rogan is four and a half hours. long dude yeah you were there yeah put. it on when you go to sleep and you wake. up it's still on you'd love being in. there man have you ever been on there no. man it would be you guys would have a. really neat conversation I don't I don't. smoke pot I don't do Ayahuasca well.

that's a good point. does that disqualify me no he doesn't do. Ayahuasca either but yeah you just have. to say I mean I don't wrestle. oh no I don't disqualify you I don't I. mean I try to wrestle for a year but I. kept getting hurt so badly and then I. don't smoke pot and then I'll do. Ayahuasca but. I don't know I mean some people consider. that different you know have different. thoughts about sobriety and that you. know yeah. um but I haven't done it in over a year. but I would maybe do it again I found it. to be really really helpful and really.

ties You Back To Nature in a lot of ways. oh interesting. um but yeah I think uh what are we. talking about Bernie Sanders podcasts. but I got different voice yeah and I'll. listen to the whole thing and at first I. would have been like me would I listen. to Bernie Sanders I don't know but I I. was like oh this is he has some great. ideas it's like I get to know this guy. yeah right whether you like his idea. whatever is this like uh oh I feel like. I get to know this guy yeah you know. um. but.

what's been uh. what was like where did you find some of. the best happiness you think in the. places you've been was there one place. that kind of or anything you noticed. over the course of uh the places you. went I I saw happiness all over which. was great. I. it's so funny because happiness you know. when I saw it when I saw like real. profound. Blissful Joy it was always about. connection with other people it was.

always about connection you talk about. the 12-step meetings like. it was in a family or in a community or. uh with some kind of service project or. it's it's people connecting you know and. that's why covid was so devastating like. you know isolated us all we need. connection we thrive in connection you. know and uh but the happiest place and. it's my favorite place on the planet is. Iceland I [ __ ] love Iceland have you. been there um.

it's so cool I mean everyone goes there. I mean it's very popular. um you had a bright light we'll go see. the bright lights right yeah the the. people at night yeah the the. Aurora Borealis oh yeah I saw those I. went to Greenland and I got to see those. but it's like watching mother nature. Iceland is. um. Iceland is just do like image search. you're on image search can you scroll. through them. can you just go through oh look at that.

um oh look at those children in Iceland. go look at them. look at them look at those look how. happy they are God they're happy is it. Iceland official tourist info for. Iceland but there's a pretty Icelandic. woman yeah wait let's look at travel to. Iceland with diabetes oh yeah down one. more down one more. that's not something I thought I would. see is traveling to Iceland let's go. there brother can you click on it.

yeah oh wow oh that's cool I haven't. seen that. so I've been five times to Iceland. five times. it's so beautiful you can't even believe. it black sand beaches glaciers volcanoes. uh waterfalls every I remember one time. I took my family we went camping there. like in a camper van and then we were. like driving on the road and we're like. oh my God look at that waterfall and. we're like and I realize like we just.

drove by a 200 foot waterfall and we. were like meh because we've seen 1 000. foot waterfalls you know and uh it's so. gorgeous uh the people are are wonderful. uh the food is expensive as hell really. oh yeah I had a. I had a pizza I think it cost like 80. bucks once does it cost a lot to warm it. up or something. well we when we were in the camper van. it was great because we would go to the. grocery stores and we would get like. Ramen and spaghetti and oatmeal and yeah.

salads and and we would just kind of eat. and and then maybe once a day we'd get. like an expensive meal the fish is. fantastic there but it's so beautiful. there's whale watching. um it's I can't say enough good things. about it but the people are happy there. one of the reasons the people are happy. is and I don't know if a lot of your. viewers are gonna like this or not but. they trust their government they believe. in their government and there's a social. safety net because you pay a [ __ ] ton of.

taxes but the education is First Rate. there's the health care is through the. roof they will take care of you when. you're sick mental health the roads the. bridges everything is taken care of and. it just works you know and so you have. and in talking to icelanders like there. was this trust they feel like oh I can. if I get sick I can take some time off. and then I'm protected by by regulations. I'll be able to get my job back and I.

you know there's this this net of. government is there for they believed. like it was there for them right you. know and we're we've sensed the Vietnam. War and over the last several decades. our trust in government has gone down. and you know truth be told our. government is not working in in huge. ways I mean it's yeah it's kind of. taking care of our highways and potholes. and you know maybe our street lights but. not a whole lot more than that and it's. yeah I mean even the U.S postal system. even the one person from the government.

that stopped by your house every day. yeah you could give a cookie to or get a. pat on the head yeah and it wasn't even. molesting people you never heard postal. people molesting yeah never you can even. pull down their pants and write girl on. their back. you just never it never happened yeah. and they and and Amazon or they messed. the postal systems going there it's just. yes we've let the government really I.

try to be really nice that postal work. oh shame yeah God bless you working so. hard for like just above minimum wage. and you were Santa to us when I was a. kid it was like right here we go now. it's like who cares oh the postman's. here who cares the Amazon guys here oh. new headphones. and the postman is just like that. ex-girlfriend man in the um just walking. back to Tori amos's house somewhere. [Laughter]. God it hurts man but yeah it's like.

there were institutions that we had that. we had some pride do you what do you. think happened with our government you. know. um what do you think happened like you. said like after Vietnam War I know there. was like a lot of contention like. between Americans that thought it was. good and bad to be there you know I. remember seeing Forrest Gump but I blame. it on partisanship really I really do. and what does that mean when you say. partisanship I'm not sure what it is um. um that's uh the kind of uh Republican.

versus Democrat okay me saying me versus. you me versus you seeking power above. all. um would rather see I'll never forget. like when Obama got elected and Rush. Limbaugh was like I hope he fails wow I. hope he fails because I'm against his. policies and I want him to not succe and. I was like wow you want because I want. even if Trump could elected and I wasn't. a huge fan but Trump I want wanted him. to succeed yeah I didn't want him to.

fail I wanted him to make lives better. and to help fix things and I was kind of. hoping oh maybe he'll fix some broken. things uh but think about every election. cycle Theo think about this how much. money is spent on campaign ads it's. insane banner ads like and where's all. that money going it's going into the. coffers of MSNBC and Fox News and CNN. and all of these media Outlets that we. don't trust because they're so partisan. and they have such an agenda and they're.

getting rich from it and they're going. to stay polarized because they're making. so much money from it but what if you. just took all of that hundreds of. millions of dollars what if you had no. comp campaign Finance you had government. campaign financing right you weren't. able to kind of like raise and spend. money willy-nilly and you took all that. money and put it towards you know fixing. things yeah you know schools and. hospitals and and whatnot and yeah. giving nurses a raise exactly you had an. announcement one day it was like Hey. we're gonna give every nurse a two.

thousand dollar raise this year or every. teacher a two thousand you know how. excited everybody would be it'd be great. the um the uh you know the water fan the. first aid um actually can I take a pee. break. let's paint and then we'll wrap up. actually yeah yeah I gotta uh I gotta. pack I gotta leave tomorrow morning for. a two and a half week book tour really. yeah. it's exciting all over have you written. a book you have like a comedy book I.

never have I've written some a lot of. chapters for a book about growing up and. uh some comedy stories about different. experiences and stuff yeah you know your. book would do you would do really well. thanks man it's really awesome to sit. here with you man oh it's my it's it's. awesome for me man I love your stories. about growing up and like your stories. about kids at school like we had a kid. in our in our school you always have. those oh yeah that's great well the. first Asian kid we ever had or allegedly. had you know we had. um. remember how Pizza Huts have those.

unique rooftops on them yeah you know. what I'm talking about yeah of course. yeah like yeah yeah diamond shape yes. well one of those burnt down right in. Slidell Louisiana right and so and the. uh. the roof had fallen flat on the ground. kind of like at a little bit of an angle. right and people like said Asian people. live there you know okay so we heard. about it yeah and we got a taxi over. there to go look and it was just a um. you literally called a taxi yeah well. you've saved up money we saved 17 take a.

taxi there that's them. yeah God and you looked for Asian people. inside of it we'd never seen it before. yeah burned down when it's on the ground. flushed on the ground it has a very kind. of look of the Orient do you know how. they cook pizzas at Pizza Hut have you. ever seen that last time I went in there. it's all automated oh it's uh they just. take they unwrap it from the plastic and. they put it on a thing it's like at one. of those like. hotels and it just goes through the oven.

on the conveyor belt then it comes out. done oh yeah that's how that's how they. used to do it I think did they always do. it that way it was like the little. rolling thing it was just like kind of. like these things and it just kept. moving forward yeah it used to be a. pretty long oven is it really short now. or something. there's a long oven yeah I love the. pizza was good when I was young it was. the real it was a we used to go to the. one on Ballinger Way look up the Pizza. Hut on Ballinger Way Lake Forest Park. Washington. I don't know if it's still there I think. it's a Thai restaurant now speaking of. Asian people.

oh yeah oh they'll start a restaurant in. an alinger way Asian people could. they'll start a restaurant in anything. um no. is there a lot of beautiful Asian people. up in uh. Washington yeah. um is there one on Ballinger Way no. it's closed down God but you know what. just look under images and see if they. have any let's get an old image of it. somebody took a snapshot of it there. there you go on the left probably it.

right there. yeah. oh and there's my mom's Ford festive out. front she used to drive that deal yeah. God it was so small three cylinders oh. and one of the sellers was just us in. the back seat going. and she could beat us from that like the. front seat was so close that she could. beat everybody like she was playing the. drums dude why don't they have cars with. pedals like Flintstones kind of but like. just to get like a two-cylinder car yeah.

but then everyone in the back seat is. doing this just to help it along kind of. and you get your workout we're also fat. yes Americans like. right win-win well that's almost an. example of everything that we've been. talking about like or some of the stuff. that would help Solutions Humanity okay. is if we every there was some sense of a. need for a vested interest and if people. felt like they were contributing you. know right. um yeah.

yeah I mean. it's tough you know with this broken. political system I think you know in my. Faith Traditions called the Baha'i faith. there are. um. elections and it's kind of like a. 12-step meeting it's it's a little. different but you elect what's called a. local Spiritual Assembly to go to guide. the Affairs of of your local community. and every year you do that and you write. down names silent ballot and you pray.

and meditate and you think who's the. wisest most mature people to kind of. help. steer forward the Baha'i Community here. in Los Angeles or whatever you ponder it. and there's maybe a master list of. everyone who lives there and you write. them down and there's no campaigning. there's no yard signs there's no money. spent no one says I think I would make a. good assembly member and here's why. um it's all done silently and then you. put them in the envelope and then the. tellers count them and then nine people. are elected like why couldn't you do.

that in a small town could you do that. in Covington Louisiana yeah because you. have people like no campaigning no one. no proselytizing no aggrandizing no one. saying like I should be the the mayor or. what have you and and just have people. gather at the local high school football. stadium and uh write down who they think. would best serve the Affairs of the. people of Covington Louisiana. yeah I think that it that that could. happen you know I think it's probably. and obviously it's you know it's.

hypothetical because you look at a you. know obviously America is much bigger. but yeah you start to think what system. could be different I think a lot of. people are wondering now what system. could be different I think a lot of. people think that it's the system we. have is isn't helping us. you know um I think. yeah you start to wonder how could it be. because I'm glad you're saying that. because it's it really is like we keep. slapping Band-Aids on a broken system. and if the system is broken it's it's no. good you know it's like well we'll.

change this policy or we'll pass this. bill or we'll get an increased funding. for this and it's just like slapping. Band-Aids on you know on a on a boat. full of Buckshot well I think you have. to have guys maybe possibly you have to. have someone they always that you hear. anyway that electing an independent. candidate getting one of them into the. runoff would shake up the the way that. the funds are distributed you also have. some interesting guys now like Bobby. Kennedy Jr right yeah so he's um he is a. Democrat but he has his.

he's anti-vaccine yeah he's like uh yeah. he's anti is he an anti-vaxxer he is. he raised a lot of questions a ton of. concern about but I think he was. anti-vaxx before covet I think he's like. he's an environmentalist so he's always. been about the environment he's always. been about Let's test things before we. move them forward right. um I mean he has a book He's against Dr. fauci you know so it's like he's. definitely in that world right. um but it's interesting because he's. going to run the Democratic ticket right.

I think you're starting to get. hopefully you're gonna start to get. candidates that are different. it's got to start to expand at some. point because it feels very railroaded. but isn't and that's true like if if we. opened it up and you had like. let's say you had Joe Rogan run or you. had Mark Cuban run or you know some. really interesting kind of thought. leaders or businessmen or entrepreneurs. that's cool but the system is still. I want the power I'm going to raise a. [ __ ] ton of money I'm gonna go around. doing all these fundraising dinners I'm.

going to be spending all these money on. these media Outlets because I want the. power for me and my cotary and we're. gonna try and put down you and your. little coteri of friends we're still in. that mode where we're not really in the. mode of Public Service you know they're. public servants they should be serving. the public so how do we just get out of. that whole campaigning thing all. together is what I say now maybe I'm. being naive and people are probably. rolling their eyes and like oh you. hippie you know but.

uh but no it's okay to have that's a. great it's a I agree because people are. sick of all the wasted money the [ __ ]. [ __ ] the desperation by these. parties to get your vote the pandering. to poor people with fear videos and all. of this and using classes and cultures. as uh puppets and keeping people in. certain places just so they'll continue. to vote for you like I think everyone's. exhausted I think the heart of the world. is you know has arteriosclerosis you.

know it feels that way and that's okay. look if that's okay if you and I are. sitting and talking about that and I. like that your book makes me think about. that yeah you know and not just the. negative sides of it or the problems. yeah but um but I talk at the end of my. book I have a chapter called Seven. Pillars for a spiritual Revolution and I. offer some tangible. Solutions some things and one of them is. what we talked about before which is. Hope and I said Foster joy and squash.

cynicism because as long as we stay. cynical and pessimistic nothing gets. done if everyone's sitting back just. like ah it's a pile of [ __ ] it'll never. work like then nothing will change and. it's just gonna get worse actually so. that's a really deadly trap and it's. it's super important that we you know we. as entertainers as storytellers you know. we try and Foster joy in people give. them hope and uh and don't let ourselves. get cynical too.

you get cynical sometimes you fight on. you fight against cynicism oh yeah a. battle the dark arts I battle self-pity. sometimes okay which is a unique way. that uh cynicism kind of sneaks into you. I find yeah you know is me just you know. um so I just have to stay up stay stay. on top of it yeah you know and it's a. misery Brigade yeah it does and it does. get to be there you know I mean yeah. yeah but there's a lot of people doing. good stuff out there and that's another. way to look at things and to wake up and.

think hey uh. you know there was a guy I wrote about. this guy in my book. um this guy named Callum Greaves and he. works with Greta tunberg and a lot of. Youth ambassadors for climate change and. whatever you think about Greta tunberg. putting that aside really brilliant guy. and he said to me you know I work on. clean air. because everyone can agree on clean air. some people on this side of the. political Spectrum might not think that. man-made CO2 is causing climate change.

or that it people are being extremist. and and whatnot and people on this side. you know have different opinions but. clean air is something everyone can get. behind yeah you know you reduce you. don't want kids to get asthma right you. want your grandkids to have clean air. you know when you when you go to the. grave and that is a precious point of. unity from both sides and then it's. win-win because CO2 does get reduced but. you're also really focusing on the human.

story which is making air cleaner for. kids so that's a way to look at like. solving a solution like climate change. like if we all just work together on. clean air like we would fix climate. change right letting these kids long up. and feel comfortable and happy yeah yeah. I like it man I can't I don't know if. I'll finish the whole book but I'm gonna. try at least go to the Seven Pillars at. the end I appreciate that I'm gonna uh. if you ever want me to read it to you. like a bedtime bedtime story or. something like that I can do that as. well. FaceTime yes put me on your pillow and.

I'll read it to you okay. it's been a pleasure lunging up with you. I like that lung up yeah man. um I'm such a big fan I love your stuff. and so funny and. weird and wonderful and uh I think. you're doing great things and it's just. a pleasure to be in this room with you. and your friend yeah the Zachary Alex. yeah. yeah. um thank you man and thank you for all. the years of entertainment and also now. all the years of thought you know that. you're uh.

you know it's like the second organ. inside you know it's like you got our uh. brains now you're going after our hearts. and our brains you know oh thank you man. I appreciate that I like it man Rayne. Wilson man uh anytime man uh and we'll. get the book and we'll put it up right. here I love it thank you Soul Bloom guys. it'll be boom so sorry Soul boom guys. it's available now or it'll be available. soon and um Rayne Wilson. [Music]. I must.

I must Cornerstone. oh but when I reach that ground I'll. share this piece of my life I found I. can feel. it in my bones. but it's gonna take.