Near-Death Experience Expert Dr. Jeffrey Long | This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von #479

today's guest is a practicing physician. uh he's an author um and he's a. researcher into the phenomenon of. near-death experiences he has done the. largest case study over 5,000 cases of. uh near-death experiences and he wrote. the book evidence of the afterlife the. science of near-death experiences which. is a New York Times best seller um I'm. just I'm grateful to be able to spend. time with him today and uh and get to.

learn about what's right on the cusp of. the afterlife today's guest is Dr. Jeffrey. long on. [Music]. me I'll sit and tell you my. story. shine on. me and I will find song. sing.

I'm sitting here with uh yeah with Dr. Jeffrey long and uh you had the New York. Times bestseller like you were just. saying the evidence of the afterlife the. science of near-death experiences and. that term is fascinating to people you. know you hear near death It's like. because that's what we're everybody's so. afraid of that line that you know it's. and the finality of it um I want to. start just by asking what is what. quantifies near-death experience sure.

now different researchers have different. concepts but the research definition. that I've always used is exactly what. the name implies you're near death in. other words you're so physically. compromised you're unconscious or you. may be clinically Dead with absent. heartbeat okay now at that time it. should be impossible to have any Lucid. conscious remembrance and yet people do. have that remembrance at that time and. that's the experience part of a. near-death experience okay and why is it. at that time time that you shouldn't be.

able to have any Lucid like brain. activity why is that sure let's talk. about what happens to the brain after a. cardiac arrest which means the heart. stops beating okay the moment the heart. stops beating Theo obviously blood. immediately stops flowing to the brain. 10 to 20 seconds after that event the. EEG which is Electro inogram a measure. of brain electrical activity goes. absolutely flat there's no measurable. cortical brain activ 20 seconds after.

the heart stop after the heart stop and. after blood stops going to the brain it. should be impossible to have any. remembrance at that time let alone the. highly lucid and organized near-death. experience so you started to kind of. quantify or collect the experiences. people were having at that point. absolutely okay I've been researching. and Gathering near-death experiences for. over 25 years okay I was so fascinated. when I first heard about near-death. experience.

that I really wanted to study them but. with the best methodology possible okay. and that being people that actually had. near-death experiences sharing their. firsters experience right so over 25. years ago I established the near-death. experience Research Foundation a. research website which encouraged people. to share a narrative of their experience. but also had a scientifically designed. huge number of questions actually as a. survey so that not only were we getting. large numbers of near death experiences.

but we were learning about them from all. those survey questions at a depth that. heret for had been impossible okay so. you create a website where people would. go that had had near-death experiences. and they would start to just list out. the information write like what were. kind of some of the questions that would. be that you would ask to somebody sure. well first of course we have them give. The Narrative of their experience we. don't want any leading questions prior. to that time but then once we start and. currently the website survey has over 80.

different questions some of the. questions include the leading research. tool called the nde scale which is a. series of 16 questions that are sort of. different in degrees of expressing that. particular element or or not expressing. it at all but in addition to that we. have dozens of other questions that help. establish basically demographic. questions male female where do you live. when did The Experience occur uh also. content questions which is very strong.

focus of the survey and then finally. importantly After Effects how did their. life change after that how did their. life change in response to that amazing. near-death experience wow so 25 years. ago you start the website people start. reporting What's happen and they start. you start collecting this data were you. surprised at the number of people were. you like yeah what are some things that. kind of shocked you out of the gate. right off the bat I realized there was. overwhelming consistency even in the. first few dozen near-death experience. experiences I saw everything I knew as a.

physician told me this is not possible. you can't have highly Lucid conscious. experiences when you're unconscious or. or clinically dead and yet here the very. first few dozens of people sharing with. me very clearly and what was very. impressive is the remarkable consistency. of the elements they were describing. what happened during the experience the. elements or if you will characteristics. okay not only were they very. consistently seen across many many. near-death experiences but they.

typically occurred in a very consistent. and logical order this is nothing like. dreams or hallucinations or any other. type of pathologically altered. Consciousness I realized very very. quickly and as I was to learn uh even. more and more with it got more and more. experiences shared with me near-death. experiences are in a word real yeah what. were some of the things that made you. that led you to believe that they were. real oh absolutely the overwhelming. consistency now while no two near-death. experiences are the same if you study a. lot of them them and Theo I've studied.

over 4,000 oh wow so with that huge data. set around there it's kept me busy it's. my second full-time job wow St Peter. over here Milling around it yeah it's. tough to be a full-time doctor which I'm. trying to do while while doing that is. my other full-time job but what I have. observed and and other near-death. experience researchers see is that very. consistent pattern of what happens when. you have a near-death experience well of. course there's that lifethreatening. event they're unconscious or clinically.

dead no heartbeat but at that time a. very common first element is what's. called an out of- Body Experience okay. Consciousness separates from the. physical body and goes above the body. now from that vantage point they can see. ongoing Earthly events often including. people frantically trying to bring them. back to life they may then go into or. through a tunnel variably described. often at the end of the tunnel there's a. beautiful unearthly they emphasize light. in that after passing through the tunnel.

then at that time they may be in an. unearthly what some call a Heavenly. realm aptly described it's very. different from what we've known. everywhere on our Earthly life it's. literally a non-physical realm movement. is non-physical communication is. essentially always telepathic uh time is. almost invariably described as either. radically different from Earthly time or. not existing at all in this realm this. unearthly beautiful heavenly realm there.

can be encounters with deceased loved. ones there can be a review of a part or. all of their prior life called a Life. review at this point they can be uh. colors like in plants and and Landscape. that are so beautiful that there are no. earthly words that they have to describe. them there can be buildings around this. time there's often a decision that they. make as they interact with other beings. about whether to stay in this beautiful. unearthly realm or return to their. Earthly life and that body struggling to. survive okay so those are the most.

common characteristics of of the. near-death experiences and what's what. what would be like the your strongest. evidence that this actually happens. because anybody can kind of go on a. website you know any naysay like anybody. can go on a website and fill it out. right sure there's been a ton of people. that have done it but like what's the. most common evidence that that you. believe that this has happened that you. believe oh absolutely you know Theo we. talked earlier about that outof body. experience where Consciousness goes. above the body above the unconscious or. k to's physical body below what I and.

other researchers have investigated is. how accurate are those observations in. that out of body State and amazingly in. my study over 98% of what people are. seeing and hearing with their physical. body and conscious down below is. accurate down to the finest detail and. in fact they can make these observations. in that outof body State geographically. far from their physical body far outside. of any possible physical sensory. awareness for example what do you mean. when you say that just before you get to.

the example like geograph like what do. you I'm a little sorry I got confused. there yeah let me give you an example. what I'm talking about we had one. relatively recent near-death experience. lady was riding a horse and was out you. know basically breaking in the horse and. the horse threw her off and she hit her. head very severe head injury immediately. unconscious she had that out of- Body. Experience Consciousness above her body. saw her body lying on the ground saw the. horse heading back to home home but then.

her Consciousness went to where she had. started prior her journey the barn and. she was able to hear other people. talking aware of what they were saying. doing they didn't know that she was. fighting for her life over a mile away. because they weren't aware of that they. only were aware of that when the horse. arrived without her and again she was. able to see and bring back all that. information verified down to the finest. details of what she was seeing and a. mile away obviously there's no way. you're going to see here or perceive in.

any way with your normal sensory. function and so that's a common thing. people like so hovering kind of outside. of themselves so people leaving their. Physical Realm right you leave you es. and I guess do they. feel okay being away from themselves do. they feel like Jeepers I got to get back. into myself like when you lost your. phone or something you know or does it. feel like that's what I would be like. gosh because if I'm just Milling around. it's almost like you're just naked like. you're as naked as you could be you're.

naked down to your soul you you know. that's a good assumption and I kind of. wondered about that too early in my. research but amazingly even though these. people are unconscious or clinically. dead and may have had you know severe. trauma or illness problems that led to. that episode of unconsciousness when. that Consciousness separates from their. physical body they essentially never. describe any pain it's unusual for them. to feel fear about Consciousness apart. from their body far more commonly.

described is a sense of calm a sense of. Peace a sense amazingly that this is. actually their real conscious self that. being non-physical and apart from their. body down below ah so that's a common. thing that people say oh this felt that. felt a lot more real than the existence. I'd been having in my body oh absolutely. in fact we have a survey question and we. ask people you know about what they said. said what they old decided about the.

reality of their experience and in our. survey of 834 people that had a. near-death experience where we asked. that question 93.8% said their. experience was definitely real and over. and over as part of that they were. saying it was more real than anything. they'd known in their Earthly life they. typically have acceleration of. Consciousness uh amazingly the. substantial majority even though they're. physically unconscious or clinically. dead are actually thinking process at a. speed they simply couldn't have done in.

their Earthly life Wow a good example of. that is we talk briefly about the Life. review I mean just imagine that here you. are unconscious or clinically dead and. yet about a fifth of people have a Life. review or they may see part or even all. of their prior life here they are. unconscious just for often minutes. certainly you know less than to 30. minutes almost always and yet at that. time they're re reliving viewing all. that went on in their prior life an.

amazing demonstration of just how rapid. Consciousness can be during a near-death. experience so that's one you said one. out of five people had that yeah Life. review okay and a Life review yeah I. mean I think that makes sense because. the brain is like the the ultimate. function of the brain is to. organize and um and I feel like a lot of. times I guess it would make sense if you. if you're brain is worried that it's. going to shut down it's still trying. to like it would almost show it almost. seems like say if it's trying to prove.

at the last second hey what but what. I've been doing makes sense here's my. work it's almost like you're trying to. show your professor like look I have the. beginning I have the next I have this I. have this doesn't this check out cuz. does that make any sense thinking like. that absolutely that's how I thought for. a long time going into my near-death. experience research absolutely I assumed. as I think most people would rationally. assume that near-death experiences had. to be due to physical brain function. because Theo that's how we think that's. how we live our life I mean that's what. we're used to we haven't really in.

general had any particular experience of. Consciousness or awareness that wasn't. part of our physical brain but that is. the amazing thing about near-death. experiences during the Life review it's. not a matter of them using their. physical brain it's like that. Consciousness apart from the body where. they're seeing and hearing things Theo. you can't possibly do that with normal. physical sensory awareness and in fact. we have scores and scores of near-death. experiences that had their. life-threatening event typically.

typically their heart stopping while. they were under general anesthesia now. under that blanket of sleep it should be. and as many of you know that have been. under general anesthesia I mean the. brain just shuts off there's no possible. remembrance at all and at that time. they're carefully monitoring vital signs. I know I've been there I'm a doctor I've. you know seen do people wake up and say. something racial sometimes I've done. that before is that crazy I've never I. can honestly say I I haven't ever done. I've heard I've heard of people waking.

up and and having their with altered. brain some bizarre conversations with. the anesthesia team and ask any. anesthesiologist they'll have all sorts. of stories like that by the way is a bit. of an aside but getting back to that uh. Cardiac Arrest heart stopping while. under general anesthesia Theo it should. be doubly impossible for the physical. brain to produce any kind of awareness. or experience and yet from from being. under anesthesia it it should be. completely impossible scientifically for. the brain to recall anything absolutely.

and yet at that time by the scores me. and other near-death experience. researchers are finding that they do. have near-death experiences typical. near-death experiences like all others. okay so that is if you will doubly. impossible that that could be due to the. physical brain function so okay so but. what's how do you know something is not. just a dream how do you or I'm trying to. think of another word for a dream but I. don't know another word for it yeah well. that's a good one I mean in all of our. lives we typically have dreams that's.

very common near-death experiences are. nothing like dreams Theo at the risk of. embarrassment I'm going to share you how. with you how I found out about that at. the very dawn of putting a survey up on. the website I asked the question was. your experience dreamlike in any way and. oh I was embarrassed at the responses no. way no chance absolutely not uh emphatic. over and over again for people having. near-death experiences emphasizing this. had nothing to do with dream so I I. quickly let go of that line of.

questioning so again you know when you. hear about a near-death experience it. seems so unearthly people normally would. think gosh isn't that like a dream that. I'm familiar with yeah nothing. absolutely nothing like a dream it's far. more lucid and conscious the a dream. Theo typically events May skip around in. a illogical order yeah it's almost like. that movie gum o con you ever seen that. I've heard of it yeah I haven't seen it. yeah it's like yeah it's I mean it's. it is what it is but yeah it's like.

somebody it's it's like it's like. somebody made a collage dreams are feel. like a collage I love that that's a. great way to look at it uh it you're. typically less Lucid less conscious than. Earthly everyday life uh events in the. dreams skip around because well they're. like dreams you're hanging with your. buddy then you got a snake and then you. look inside of a window and then. everybody hates you you know and then. you have to go home because you did. something I love we've all been there. Theo so you're right that's nothing like. near-death experiences while it's a a.

different type of of altered. Consciousness it's actually a hyper. Lucid Consciousness it's interesting. when you say that because like whenever. I so and I I don't want to like just. equate this to iasa right but I'd done. drugs in my life you know and you know. have you ever done any uh no say. anything no I I I actually haven't you. haven't yeah no oh um yeah and that's. okay right and some people do them and. some people don't and but when I went. and did I. it was not like doing a drug people were.

like do you get messed up you know it's. like no dude it is a. intense. emotional boot camp where like. you're like you. almost your thoughts suddenly. have a a response to them in a way like. suddenly your like the world thinks back. at you that's what it feels like kind of. never really was able to think about it.

but the world you can feel the world. literally thinking back at you and. reflecting so you get so much there's a. lot of um uh like solving of problems. because you're not just wondering and. putting things out in there and waiting. for you to solve them it feels like. nature or the world or God or a higher. entity or a collective entity or energy. meets you halfway and helps you work. like in real time and it's a very loving.

helpful um entity or energy even though. it can take you through some moments. that feel challenging it feels like. extremely uh cathartic and helpful um so. that's one of the things that made me. fascinating when I started hearing about. uh some of your work I was like oh this. is so I wonder how much of this is. similar to some of the experience that I. had on IAS and I wonder what just what. people's experiences are like you know. well I can address that okay um I.

co-authored a paper that was published. in the annals of the New York Academy of. Sciences and the lead researcher. investigated the published medical. literature about a wide variety of what. we call psychotropic or brain acting. drugs and looked at the descriptions of. these experiences and compared it to. near-death experiences and the. conclusion of this study really. radically different experiences between. psychotrop drugs and near-death.

experiences but above and beyond that. Theo for anybody listening or viewing. this you can find out for yourself. there's a website called Arrowood. eid.org aroid aid.org has thousands of. firsters shared experiences with. psychotropic drugs it is amazing how. many they have you can look up any type. of psychotropic drug you can look up. iasa experiences arrow with EO e wi. documenting the complex relationship.

between humans and psychoactives wow. uhhuh they have thousands of experience. it is by far the best resource for. anybody that would like to compare. near-death experiences and what happens. in near-death experiences with. psychotropic drugs go there you can look. up iasa you can look up DMT you can look. up LSD there are literally hundreds of. examples of virtually all of these. psychotropic drugs I've done that and. very quickly you'll realize as I have. and others do that go through that.

exercise that the psychotropic drug. experiences from shared by people that. actually had them are in general. radically different for what happens in. a near-death experience they're more. hallucinatory they're more often. frightening they're more often dreamlike. in a sense that events can skip around. all you have to do is read 10 iasa. especially 20 iasa experiences from that. source and read 10 or 20 near-death. experiences and it jumps out at you.

immediately the contrast and then. finally wow when we have our survey. people will often share when they have a. near-death experience that they've also. tried psychotropic drugs and in general. they will state from The Source people. that had both near-death experiences and. psychotropic drug experiences that the. two experiences are radically different. the near-death experience is grippingly. real the psychotropic drugs are tending. to be not real that's what you'd expect. with a hallucinatory experience damn.

dude you make me want to I want to have. a damn near-death experience oh well I. tell you what it's and I want to. emphasize that me a lot of people hear. about the near-death experiences and go. wow I got to go get me some of that and. we I have to give a I'm going to give a. cautionary note to you and I think this. is important uh some people hear about. near-death experiences and and. tragically a few people will actually do. something risky with their lives you. know up to even considering suicide and. I think is I want to emphasize that. people that have had near-death.

experiences as a result of suicide. attempts learn almost uniformly during. their near-death experience that that. suicide attempt was a huge mistake. virtually everyone that has a near-death. experience as a result of an effort at. suicide and then recovers will Almost. Never attempt suicide again and why. because they understand life is. Meaningful life is important they're. here for a reason even if their life is. extraordinarily difficult and by the way. if you if you commit suicide and don't.

have a near-death experience you're much. more likely unfortunately to attempt. suicide again at some future time wow. really yeah yeah well also if you're. listening you didn't commit suicide. that's a good point you know like not no. no judgment to anybody that gave it a. run or whatever you know we're glad. you're no good at it okay that's good. but yeah you didn't do it did people. that tried suicide did a lot of them. have near-death experiences well I guess. they did because they tried suicide but. that's a physical act of it well I and. that's a good question Theo first of all.

I want to point out that of people that. have a life-threatening event only about. 10 to 20% of them will actually have a. near-death experience 80 or 90% don't so. you're saying if somebody falls off a. cliff somebody you know falls into like. a um butter churner or something or. somebody gets hacked by somebody. somebody gets beaten hit by train. whatever domestic dispute heavy domestic. dispute and something happens to him. you're saying only a small percentage of. those will have then within their.

unconsciousness then have a near-death. experience right does it matter how you. get into unconsciousness on whether or. not you have a near-death experience no. it doesn't make any difference what that. life-threatening event was as to whether. you have a near-death experience in fact. the only good research study found the. closer to death you are the more likely. you are to have a near-death experience. wow so you got to walk over there huh. yeah it's kind of interesting I I. actually feel I actually co-authored a. scholarly book book chapter where we. looked at all the demographics I mean.

you name it you know gender location. what led to the near-death experience. and we could find no correlation with. what the life-threatening event was what. your demographic background was didn't. really seem to predict the probability. of having a near-death experience when. you nearly die nor what the content. would be so you're saying yeah cuz I. would think some ethnicities and I you. know and probably like I'm not going to. you know. but people in like Memphis or something.

might be more likely to have near-death. experiences because there's more near. death going on you know what I'm saying. like but you didn't find that any. ethnicities or genders or anything or. ages had none were more likely to have. near-death experiences than others yeah. absolutely not there was some earlier. research the thought maybe children were. more likely to have a near-death. experience when they nearly died but I'm. not seeing that so it seems to be you. know interestingly Theo I me well. children just came from Life they just.

came from life so you think like oh they. might have maybe just they got a shorter. tether well yeah and I think so you know. they'd be less likely to but on the. other hand Theo I studied very young. children age five and and below average. age of the study group was three and a. half years old now at that very young. age when they had their near-death. experience they're practically a. cultural Blank Slate they almost. certainly have no formed ideas about. religion the afterlife they almost. certainly have never heard of what.

near-death experience is or wouldn't. understand it if they had and yet these. people statistically had basically. exactly the same content the elements of. near-death experience as older children. and adult which is a very strong line of. evidence that pre-existing beliefs don't. really lead to people you know having a. near-death experience or what the. content of the near-death experience is. wow that's fascinating so whether it was. a 90-year-old or a seven-year-old that. seemed to articulate well you found that.

the that what they shared was had a lot. of similarities yeah absolutely that's. that's really and that's exciting. because you know it seems it gives you. some proof that you're on to something. that you know it just furthers your your. belief well it really uh eliminates the. skeptic concern that the near-death. experiences are pre-existing beliefs. it's what they thought would happen and. there's there's absolutely right cuz a. child doesn't really have enough time to. have too much of a pre-existing belief. exactly you wouldn't think exactly. man I've been so dehydrated from flying.

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and they all none of them they all had. the same uh there was they had the same. characteristics of their experience if. they had a near-death experience that. you're exactly right the really sh I was. like wow so there's that anyway yeah. that's one of the things that really. hooked me in yeah and and that's exactly. right in my research we've had well the. website our research website has been. translated into over 30 different. languages so as a result we can do by. far the largest cross cultur stud do.

that CU otherwise if you get like yeah. you get some dude yeah you get some guy. fresh out the bario or something and. he's like you know we was dreaming you. know like hold on bro yeah and and. that's that's what's exciting when you. have pull in near-death experiences. literally from all around the world in. their native language so we have about. 60 what we call non-western near-death. experiences these are in countries where. they're not predominantly. judeo-christian and they're from just. you name the relig ious background I've. run into it and remarkably these.

nonwestern near-death experiences the. content what occurs the the elements are. strikingly similar to typical Western. near-death experiences and in fact I've. co-authored a scholarly paper with an. Iranian near-death experience researcher. looked at a couple dozen people that had. near-death experiences in Iran exactly. what I'm seeing in my series no matter. where on Earth you have your near-death. experience amazingly it doesn't make any. difference Theo whether you're say a. Muslim in Egypt or a Hindu in India or a.

Christian in the United States or no. religious belief at all wherever on the. planet you have your near-death. experience whatever age the content what. occurs is going to be strikingly similar. do you feel like over time though that. you became. uh what am I the term I look for like. you became that's what you started. looking for you know what I'm talking. about oh um I I what's the term I'm. looking for you know what I'm talking. about it's like yeah um uh confirmation. bias did you believe did. did you worry about that did you take. that into account at all oh absolutely.

as as a researcher I have to carefully. minimize anything that would affect. wrongly my interpretation and. confirmation bias is one thing but. that's the glory of having the survey. and then archiving the results and then. posting them all Theo we have over 4,000. near-death experiences posted we have. scores of non-western near-death. experiences give me one of those that. was interesting that kind of really. surprised you was there is there one. that stands out like a non-western yeah.

we have uh there was a a lady who was. literally dying of hodkin lymphoma oh. gosh and you know it tragically uh was. given basically no chance of survival. and right at death's door she had a. near-death experience a profoundly. detailed near-death experience and as. part of that she became aware that if. she was to choose to return to Earthly. life that the lab results that were just. drawn would come back showing she was. recovering she was starting to respond.

and if she chose not to return to her. Earthly life that the lab results would. indicate she was on her path to. irreversible permanent death amazingly. she recovered and when she recovered she. had an amazing highly detailed. near-death experience with with most of. the characteristics we've talked about. now well see that's interesting is that. makes me think that some of the. information that you get or in a. near-death experience right. and I hate that we keep having to say. the term over and over again but we have.

to say it we do we really do um what. some of the information that you get. during an experience like that I wonder. if some of it then because at first I'm. thinking it comes from the other side it. comes from the great beyond you know. that but then now I'm thinking that if. you're getting information where you see. that you may be getting lab results. coming that would be different if you. return that makes you wonder if some of. that information is somehow coming out. of your body like on this side. and service and you know well does that.

make any sense Well normally you does. that make sense or not yeah it does. because you would have to say maybe you. have a personal deep down sense that. this is going to happen however if. that's the case then I would be thinking. that some of that near-death experience. is in is influenced on this side of. right life as opposed to what part of me. is was leaning towards it being. influenced on the other side of life. absolutely so you know it it's very. reasonable to H to hypothesize that. maybe something that occurs or cribed in. near-death experiences is just because. they had that sense that that inner.

awareness in their physical body but. Theo their unconscious are clinically. dead when they have their near-death. experiences so they really can't gather. from that sense that memory um that. subconscious part of themselves because. everything is shut down when they have a. a near-death experience are there other. choices I know you mentioned early on. that people were there were choices that. people had to make so that one is a lady. saying lab results could make her or. upcoming live results could be different. were there other choices that came up.

yeah I'll tell you the most poignant. choice that we encountered in near death. experiences and that is a choice to stay. in that unearthly beautiful realm uh in. the environment there in off Spirits or. the choice to return to their Earthly. life and struggle to overcome that. life-threatening event that they caused. the near-death. experience what is it and this is where. it gets really interesting Theo at that. moment of decision even though people.

having the near-death experience. everything that they knew up to that. time friends family loved ones Decades. of their life often is their Earthly. life and yet what they're experiencing. in this unearthly realm overwhelming. sense of peace and love those are about. the two most common words used and they. often describe that they feel this. unearthly beautiful realm is their real. home home their true home but the great. majority of people that are in that.

unearthly Heavenly realm that make a. decision they asked to make a decision. want to stay there they want to leave. their Earthly life and not come back and. believe me they uh that is a difficult. decision they will often argue with the. beings there you go to Destin for the. first time you've been in Des oh yeah so. that's that's really interesting to. leave there that's just how compelling. and beautiful and what the sense is like. in this unearthly beautiful realm that. they're in of near-death experiences wow.

see and so that makes me believe that. it's not like iasa because in iasa and I. only compare to that because like I've. done you know some of the other. psychotropics LSD and uh and uh. mushrooms right and those the only ones. I've done I know there's a lot of new. ones and people are you know sucking on. animals or whatever and you know licking. frogs or whatever there's some stuff. hope not a lot Theo I mean I look I mean. I don't know look I know a dude has done. a thing down there you know a couple of. okay well that'll leave a taste in my. mouth but moving.

on look I know a guy north of Panama. City I don't know if he's ever gotten. high but he's definitely done some. things okay goodness great um but on. iasa I never felt a sense of Peace it's. always a sense of um learning and. constant like uh nego not negotiating. but uh revealing and um catharsis but. not a big some relief but never feels. very much like you're in a long period. of uh therapy which sometimes can be.

extremely intense so it doesn't feel. like you're in this um you know a. million thread count ex you know space. which that sounds like what you're. talking about wow yeah now. now is there a and if so people if they. some people might have near-death. experience but they just die and you're. like oh [ __ ] we didn't get the. information oh absolutely I mean you. know at a life-threatening event you. know certainly unfortunately a lot of.

people will ultimately permanently and. irreversibly die so that's uh you know. that that's it however U that brings up. an interesting point we do have a small. series of what we call shared near-death. experience these are two or more people. that simultaneously had a. life-threatening event no and true story. there we've got uh we're up to about 20. posted on the website so it's not not a. real small twins kind of so what happen. I mean you name it auto accidents. collapsing building you know some kind.

of accident out in nature these are all. common precipitating events so two or. more people boom they're in that. life-threatening event in a shared. near-death experience they can interact. with each other they be aware of their. physical body down below in these shared. near-death experiences at least in the. series I have one goes on to permanently. irreversibly die the other returns back. to their body and and then when they. recover they can talk about a shared. near-death experience now Theo that is.

some of the strongest evidence I can. conceive of that for those permanently. irreversibly dying What You observe in a. near-death experience is that initial. pathway but you're saying one of them. died and one of them didn't but if one. if one of them died then how do you know. that that person had the experience too. because the other person shared an. experience with them they talked they. interacted um they communicated so the. one that lived said that they both both. of them were together body experience. for example we had from Canada we had a.

car bad car accident and a gentleman was. driving with his fiance boom car fell. asleep and hit a tree both him and his. fiance had that out of- Body Experience. holding hands I mean their fiance rose. up and then they were able to see this. unearthly beautiful realm in the. distance there were four beings that. came up to them two of them went to her. two of them them went to him and they. separated their holding hands they felt.

so much peace and love they described he. wanted to say no but but felt so. compelling compellingly that's why it. was remarkable that he felt so much. peace and love that he didn't want to. resist it and so wow he watched the two. beings carry his fiance toward this. beautiful unearthly realm in the. distance the other two beings gently. lowered him back down to the car from. way above the car he saw the front end. on fire and then he went back into his. body and he felt when he returned to. Consciousness his fiance leaning on his.

shoulder as she was when he had the. accident and he knew immediately fiance. was dead she was an empty shell and that. he had left her with those beings above. that's a shared near-death experience. and very dramatic shared near-death. experiences are that's unbelievable I. mean out of 4,000 you know it have maybe. about 20 that's how rare they are and. yet they're so dramatic in terms of. providing evidence that for those that. permanently irreversibly die their.

Consciousness continues to live and will. eventually be reunited see that's so w. the fact that two people had it now was. there ever two people that had it and. both of them. lived uh there have been not in my. series we have U there has been a report. of firefighters they were called The Hot. Shots in Arizona and they were battling. a fire and the fire they perform. yeah then they wind changed Direction. and trapped them and so there were many.

of the firefighters that died and. certainly all of them had a. life-threatening event and they were. aware of each other and then ultimately. came back to report that remarkable. shared near-death experiences where. several lived and several died. wow oh man that's I was that for food. for thought that those just blow me away. I mean I tell you even after 4,000. near-death experiences when I read these. shared near-death experiences I'm still.

in awe even after 25 years can you tell. when somebody some are fake we are very. careful to investigate whether they're. fake Theo we ask many of our survey. questions in a similar concept we're. asking but worded differently in. different sections of the survey so as a. result we use that tried and trude. method to make sure that the near-death. experience responses are valid above and. beyond that is a doctor I can certainly. spot things that don't add up medically. but finally if the overwhelming majority.

of people share true and honest. near-death experiences even those people. that share falsified near-death. experiences if they're that rare it. isn't really going to change our overall. understanding of what happens during a. near-death experience and what their. meaning is what are some things that. people do where that if they're telling. a fake near-death experience where you. can kind of spot those or some of the. because there's got to be commonalities. there too I'm sure the main well first. of all when we do our survey we always. post it anonymously they don't get paid.

anything they literally have no public. recognition because they're experience. no real no incentive no incentive at all. right for them no Cloud at all no. direction for them to share a falsified. yeah no coughing cloud or whatever they. call it it it would take probably most. people especially with a detailed. account over an hour to fill that out. and so people generally aren't going to. do that just for laughs um so I think in. general and and certainly what we're. observing in our near-death experience.

accounts are strikingly similar to what. all other researchers are finding in. their research Series so I'm reasonably. confident that these great great. majority of you not virtually all are. legitimate are legitimate yeah what are. what are is it mostly is it more women. that fill them out than than men because. women I think lowkey want to die all the. time I feel like. well because they love Date Line you. know what I'm saying they're always like. oh you know they're always leaving a. window open like that's a great question. it's probably pretty close to 5050 but.

I'll tell you why I think Theo guys like. us are just a little more inclin than. women to drive the car fast to go do. risky things you know swim and places we. shouldn't swim we've all been I mean. it's a guy thing so we may be a little. more predisposed to have fun in some. risky way women I think are a little. less inclined to do that so I think that. may help explain why it's about 50 right. cuz you have more men that are actually. getting doing getting close with death.

and accidents but you have more women. who may um share stories like that yeah. they're more inclined to share women. child birth and you know severe. complications and clinical death during. child birth we have a huge number of. those type of near-death experiences. have you ever had a woman that had a. child and then the child but I guess the. child would wouldn't be able to. recollect something like that yeah no we. don't have any uh if if a lady had a. near-death experience there's no you. know obviously they're they are very. good at delivering the baby even if she.

has a life-threatening event but there's. no real discussion later from that child. of oh I had a shared near-death. experience I remember years later that. it would be yeah it'd be too hard to. remember what motivates you to care. about this I am fascinated by near-death. experiences even after 25 years and. 4,000 near-death experi you been in Bush. Gardens yeah I have yeah that's awesome. too is that's that's true but I love all. that kind of stuff it's fun well.

near-death experiences to me it it. continues to remind me that there's an. afterlife a wonderful afterlife and. that's for all of us I'm a physician. that treats patients with cancer these. are my patients that have. life-threatening events and I'm involved. with them every day what I know about. near-death experience has helped me to. help them in their Journey with their. battle with cancer in a way with more. courage more confidence that even if we. ultimately don't cure them that in the.

end they're going to have a wonderful. afterlife and as I've told them you're. going to be in a much better place than. those left on our Earthly life so I. think that's really uh you know. certainly something to look forward to I. hope it I believe that too because even. just living is so like that's what I. always say when people are like I don't. believe in an. afterlife um I'm like all right. you know like first of all. what.

like okay you know because here's why my. biggest proof is that we lived at all. yeah that's my like at least believe in. reincarnation because we already lived. yeah how you you then why then don't. even believe you're here then if you're. not even going to believe it's possible. that's that's ridiculous like I'm doing. this right now you're going to tell me. and I came out of nothing I don't know. where I was you know I got some vague. ideas is and you know I'll sketch some. stuff every now and then but I don't. have any real information but to think.

this couldn't happen again to me seems. asinine it because you you have proof. like you're living in proof like it'd be. different if you weren't but you're. freaking living in proof that you that. existence from nothing is possible now I. know you came from people when you came. from sex but they eventually we don't. know where they came from mhm you know Y. and we don't know where life came from. that's the thing sure no I and. absolutely that's sorry to yell at you. or anything no this is great hey Theo. this is what I find among other things.

very inspiring about near-death. experiences I mean here over and over is. very powerful evidence that we do have a. life after death our Consciousness goes. on we're not really going both for us. our friends our family our loved ones. when we have that final end of our. Earthly physical life there's a much. bigger picture a much we continuation of. consciousness uh Eternal and infinite as. best I can tell from near-death. experiences and that's exciting yeah I.

mean whenever Earthly life can gets. miserable difficult and we've all been. there all of us and you always have that. that thought in the back of your mind. from near-death experiences wow here is. the evidence powerful evidence that we. go on well and it it makes me think like. you know we used to bring it back up. that aroid site was that aroid yeah e r. wi. e r so if you'll zoom in on here the The. Vault of aroid and this was the site you.

were talking where people share their. experiences from different psychedelic. techniques and methods yeah psychotropic. drugs uhhuh psychotropic drugs and it. also says on here there's breathing um. dreaming drumming fasting so it seems. like there's a lot of different like. modalities people used to get to diff. now maybe all these are un while they're. under the influence of psychedelic drugs. no I you know these are are obviously. different ways in which an altered. Consciousness can be achieved and that's.

what's so cool about this site I mean. here are the original firstperson. accounts yes a lot like my own nf.org. website where there's really no they're. they're posted typically anonymously. there's no real incentive for them to. make any of this up these are people. that just want to share with the world. what happened during their experiences. often they're going to select out their. most dramatic interesting experiences. but it is a treasure Trove of Altered. States Of Consciousness yeah I love this.

and so some of these on here are. somewhere it seems like it's not just uh. drug induced not just so psychotropic. that means drugs right okay so some of. these that has breathing dancing um. dreaming drumming uh fasting uh. meditation prayer Martial Arts yoga um. just as different modalities some I've. used of those breathing I I worked with. a a comedian this girl Blair SOI and she. does breath work and I had an experience.

there that was um very uh it wasn't like. a near-death exper but it was beyond. something I'd ever had before where my. it locked up all of my muscles and I was. just with my um. some like way my conscience was you know. and that and it took a I remember just B. just tears coming out of me like it was. like uh a cleansing of some sort um.

martial arts I've done MMA where at the. end of the class you s just sat there. and just like start crying because. you've done so much like just different. W your muscles and releasing things and. stuff and it um and I think a long time. ago they used to do a lot of sweating uh. a lot of meditation you know um. historically that's kind of what I was. getting at was like I wonder if there. was more connection with the afterlife. in previous centuries and ages of time.

because they used uh less technological. modalities and more like uh actual. physical practicing of things you know. even if you go look at like the. Egyptians they would. draw and bury their dead sometimes with. tomb sometimes with tunnels that they. said would lead to another little tomb. that just had gifts of the afterlife. like they had just it feels like they. had a much more spiritual connection.

maybe with with here and something. Beyond because they I mean to build a t. you know to build a tomb and to bury. somebody with all your worldly Goods. that you have to take all your money and. bury it with a friend so that they can. use it in the next realm it's you know. it's just a lot of that's really. fascinating cuz we don't practice a lot. of that anymore now somebody will slip. you a perk or slip you a thing of. cigarettes or something on the way you. know okay you know I'm so glad you. brought that up Theo does that make any. sense what I'm saying oh absolutely and.

in fact I'll take that and run with it. near-death experiences as dramatic as. they are and as much as they point to. that afterlife they're really a subset. of that bigger picture just like what. you were talking about the umbrella is. spiritual experiences in general you. know absolutely you can have that type. of of spiritual experience with martial. arts I was a brown belt in karate I get. that I've walked a mile in those I can't. say shoes cuz we're barefoot yeah so uh. but on top of that you can have. certainly meditation experiences can.

produce some dramatic experiences the. scholarly literature describes these as. mystical experiences okay and there's a. whole wealth of literature out there. about people that can have very dramatic. experiences uh sometimes they even. reproduce many of the characteristics of. near-death experiences and yet they're. all part of that if you will the. umbrella that bigger picture all. converging with evidence on the the fact. that there's Consciousness uh far beyond. what we're aware of in our Earthly life.

that there's an afterlife there our. Consciousness is much more than just. what we think with how we interact with. other people uh our conscious Earthly. everyday experience that's just a subset. of a much bigger picture of. Consciousness just like what you were. saying yeah all of those things seem to. touch yeah they seem to find ways um I. don't know I just feel like historically. we probably even though now we're able. to catalog things better I mean back. then you had to draw it on a cave wall. or you had to whisper to your buddy you.

know and if he gets damn you know you. know he comes across a rare STD on a. mountain top and it's you know nobody. knows what what happened and so it's. like you know just different times or. you know it just now we can catalog more. I feel like but the connction the. experience we have uh is kind of we have. less experiences maybe I don't know I. just it seems like our forefathers they. this was like a Saturday night they get.

together in a sweat lodge and they. wanted to see something you know but it. was you had to you know make your own uh. Netflix in your in your brain yeah you. know I think you're right I think you're. really on to something there here's my. take on that I think years ago centuries. ago I think there was probably more. openness to these types of experiences I. think there was more um you know when we. didn't have that sort of scientific. rigidity about what the brain can do and. what it can't do I think people. collectively were more inclined to share.

these stories to have people believe. them to Value them and as a result of. that allow them to be shared in a verbal. tradition probably much more so than we. have today because people were probably. less afraid to share that um these were. more tight-knit communities I mean they. knew each other they interacted with. each other and so I think there was more. trust that we have today today we're. sort of apart from each other more I. think it's harder to develop that. interpersonal trust perhaps as much as. existed centuries ago that's a shame.

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to be I mean sometimes you would be the. chief of a village if you had had like a. if you had gotten to you know connect. with the third eye you know it like. there was a lot of enhancement in and. um yeah there seemed to be a lot of more. of a social value to it I think we're. still going through this metamorphosis. maybe where you know we tried a lot of. uh medicines to cure people like a lot. of Western medicine that is proven to be. or slowly more and more proving to be.

very much um not as helpful as we. thought more causing more addiction than. it is like probably benefits overall. maybe um and maybe I'm saying that to a. doctor maybe I shouldn't be but but that. we're getting more to where people are I. feel like we're trying to get back to. Nature and to finding ways to a take. care of ourselves better um um and then. B uh use other modalities to solve.

particularly things that we struggle. with thinking and feeling wise than. medicine does that make any sense or not. oh I I think I see where you're going. with that Theo now more than ever we're. focused on we start with a focus on the. patient what's best for the patient well. prevention you know certainly um. treatments that have less toxicity very. strong focus in my specialty radi. oncology where we treat cancer we're. more interested in the totality of the. patient how are these treatments.

affecting them how can we mitigate these. adverse effects how can we sort of. consider the patient totally mentally. physically spiritually and help be. everything that we can as health care. providers in a way that we perhaps. hadn't even thought about before so. there's a real it's kind of interesting. we're really kind of at a threshold now. where there's with a focus like that I. think we're I know we're we're curing. more people especially with cancer my. specialty than we ever did before but I. think importantly we're helping people.

to live better than ever before because. we're so focused on the total patient. have there been experiences where you've. been able to discuss with cancer. patients who uh weren't fortunate enough. to to to get into remission that you. felt like talking about the afterlife. and possibilities and people's. experiences have been helpful to them oh. absolutely. uh of course I'm a well-known near-death. experience researcher so over and over.

we have patients or their family members. Google who is this do Dr Long guy and oh. my gosh you know here's my hundreds of. times I've talked to the media and been. around and for people that are aware of. that they will generally come talk with. me about that next time they see me that. can be profoundly inspirational to. somebody who's got a life-threatening. illness they're in fear about that their. family their loved ones they know they. might not make it and yet here is the. research the information I have powerful.

evidence that there is life after death. that there's a bigger picture for who we. are what we are that we're not just. physical brain function that we are a. Consciousness that's going to survive. our Earthly death it is incredibly. important to patients that come to that. understanding I've spent huge amounts of. time talking about that with patients. and I love that I consider that to be a. very special an important part of how I. practice medicine going in that extra. Dimension like that yeah well it's it's.

just it's it's you know for one it's a. blessing that you care about this. because you're also in a in a in a field. where people are are walk. or are having to deal with death you. know sooner maybe than they expected um. do you ever have you ever been there. when somebody was passing away and just. kind of like like hey come on back you. know well yeah I mean I've done CPR for. real a few times and you know that I.

tell you what that look around while. you're down. there the first thing they say in the. books is when you have it someone codes. or heart stops and you have to try to. bring them back from the brink check. your own pulse first too because you're. Ah that's pretty pretty Eerie why you. because you can freak out oh it's spooky. I mean your your heart rate I mean it's. Fredy when you have do CPR well when I. do it for real yeah when we brought. people I mean this is literally. unexpected typically it's life and death.

um you know it's there we're we're. frantically trying to do the best I. would be worried like say if there's. house music playing in the place I would. be worried I would just what if you just. tap into it be you're like what is going. on dude come on no you Theo I just don't. want to be laying a James Blake track on. somebody you know like at least I mean I. can't speak for others but I'll tell you. when I've done CPR yeah you stay focused. and you want to make sure you're doing. just the right number of chest. compressions per saying you get some guy. like me in there and it's just you know.

get out the way for cotton I Jo and just. playing that you know what I'm saying I. don't want you'd make an awesome doctor. I love that Theo we need to get because. that would be I haven't heard a doctor. ever share that but hey you know that's. I think I would be disbarred immediately. I'm just saying that like if you're not. really locked in on what you're doing if. you're doing CPR on somebody you know. and somebody just you know lays it lays. some kind of a track in the distance. anything can happen you know. have you ever had a near-death. experience no I haven't thank goodness. so now have you is there part of you.

that because at some point you gotta you. know put your muffins where the oven is. you know what I'm saying bro like that. and like you know what I'm saying that. some point okay there people were going. to you know what I'm saying if you want. to write the third book you got to have. to go over there but let me tell you how. it works in the real world here Theo. people that have had a near-death. experience in general typically are not. near-death experience researchers and I. think the reason for that is they know. about near-death experience it is.

grippingly real they understand it they. understand its implications in their. life and so as a result of that they're. not asking questions like me and so many. other people that do research in this. area that want to know is it real what. happens so again near-death experience. cures any near-death experience. disbelief that's for sure does part of. you ever wish like you know and it's not. nobody wants to cuz near death. experience you got a death is in the. middle of it that's the tricky part of.

the rest of it you can handle but death. is the part you got to risk you know but. is any part of you ever like you. know where like oh where if you say you. ever been skiing and then you fall. you're like oh this could be it let's. see what happens here yeah I'll tell you. I have so many irons in the fire in my. life I've got a full-time Medical. Practice uh I love doing research and. sharing about near-death experience I've. got so much going on I'm very careful. not to get into a life-threatening event. I mean one you know I me I get where. you're coming from sure at one level it.

would be I think an adjunct to my. research to say this is what I. experienced and here's what happened but. don't you think that might you get a. little confirmation bias and then I'd. start to see other near-death. experiences through the filter of my own. experience yeah dude I can't believe. earlier I was like we have a don't you. think there's a lot of confirmation bias. and then I just try to talk you into. confirmation bias well I yeah again when. I start my near-death experience. research my scientist coat goes on I. have to be very careful to use the best.

scientific methods and avoid those kind. of pitfalls that are common in science I. mean you know that still science so. you're still applying science to. absolutely and I think that's one thing. that makes it more valid you know um we. had a guy Dr Max [ __ ] do you know who. this guy is I I've heard the name I just. can't can't place it he is a he does the. um. he runs the uh what's it called where. they froze Walt Disney oh the cryogenics.

oh yeah he's a he's like a um he's like. a philosopher he's like a futurist uh. he's a director of uh he's the he was a. CEO and a president of Alor life. extension and that's where they do like. cryonics and cryogenics where they. freeze people right so I I we talked. with him one time and I some people were. like oh this whole thing's a scam right. and and I looked at the financials of it. it it wouldn't really be worth it I. don't think if it were a scam it's it's.

just not that much money it doesn't seem. like in it but it does seem like it's. just kind of there's there's just sort. of this blind hope that one day they. will be able to like. reincarnate or no to rehabilitate the. like the physical us that's here right. what are your thoughts on that like. because it's not really the same world. that you're in but there's there's this. the afterlife is part of you don't hear. much about the afterlife you know right. well you know Theo I'm as a researcher.

and a scientist and as a physician I'm. interested in pretty much any aspects of. possible Survival Of Consciousness and. here we have groups that are freezing. bodies cryogenics hoping that people. will be able to be. resuscitated decades centuries from now. and literally be brought back to life. well a couple thoughts on that first of. all I I can't get over scientifically. the fact that when you freeze cells. human cells below 32° the water in the. cells expands boom it busts the cell.

membranes and the cells are literally. dead how you can bring back completely. busted trashed if you will cells in an. entire living organism back to life is. is absolutely outside I know they're. using in liquid nitrogen to do it right. or something oh yeah that no that's cold. so that would be and I think they do it. at a quick enough level where they're. saying that that doesn't happen that de. composition doesn't happen that's what. their claimant is the ability to. suddenly freeze an entire physical.

organism I mean I I'm not freezing or. whatever that would be and and again I'm. not in authority on that that kind of. doesn't pass my sniff test but I think. moreover the bigger picture here is. people so afraid of leaving the Earthly. life so believing that Earthly life is. is all that they are and and all that. they can be I think if they knew what. the overwhelming consistent message is. and near-death experiences that our. physical life isn't who we really are it. isn't the end that what we are who we.

are is that Eternal infinite. Consciousness that goes on living after. our physical death here on Earth yeah so. tell me about some of that because so so. yeah that's an area we haven't really. gotten into what are people saying. because these are people that they came. back right so they didn't go you know. they either didn't get accepted or. whatever right now we're not judging. them you know there's tons of. applications right you know the. afterlife gets countless applications. every day these are interviewees who it. feels like got over there right and. that's funny I mean there's actually.

been a study we uh that was someone went. through literally over a thousand of our. near-death experiences and when people. are say over you guys you mean yeah are. we are the ones we have posted when I. say we've studied over 4,000 near-death. experiences those are posted on our ND. are all the ones you get posted or not. all of them every single one that gives. us permission which is way over 95% is. posted but man you don't have any. there's no like let's make sure let's. have there's no protocol for you guys to.

like be like come on this one didn't you. know this one has walking Phoenix in it. you know like this one didn't it y I. have I the Integrity of the research I. do requires that no matter what the. content of the near-death experience if. it appears to have occurred during a. life threatening event you know. sometimes I'll you know unless it's. blatantly falsified I mean hey. we got two near-death experiences in a. row where they encountered Pamela. Anderson and there obviously some.

teenage probably boys they were having a. good old time and boom boom okay I get. that that's fake and that's rare thank. goodness because again it just takes too. long to do that but we have I have a. whole write up on how we very carefully. validate these near-death experiences as. real I understand we have a. responsibility to the world to make sure. that we have posted valid experiences. because other researchers are using this. interestingly artificial intelligence.

has gone through the internet and that's. one of the major drivers of artificial. intelligence understanding of near-death. experience is the over 4,000 we have. posted right so you guys have so many of. them that obviously people are using it. but yeah I was just trying to get if. there's any barrier to entry between. your site so there is some if there's. some if people are saying Pamela. Anderson or Samuel Jackson or whatever. you're like I don't know you know yeah. so the the Integrity that of the. research we do is such that there's some. Integrity there's well there's a lot of. Integrity but there's some barrier to.

entry well not really if they if I mean. this is less than 1% of people that have. shared what we consider to be obviously. falsified experien so it's it's I mean. it's rare with that order of but you. take some down that are obviously. falsified well it's not we will and. sometimes we learn we will post it and. then subsequently as they and again. these are usually people that have a. commercial interest in their account and. as time goes on we may come to. understand that they falsified. embellished their account using you guys.

absolutely and they're out of there if. that happens so that again that's rare. and that says a lot about the Integrity. the of humans in general I mean people. that have a near-death experience that. is in general the most amazing. influential experience of their life. sacred to them yeah okay so so that's. interesting so people say it's to them. you know um what are some yeah what are. some of the things if people go there.

they're on death's doorstep and they get. to come back you know nobody was home. they knocked they got some information. maybe you know uh but what is some of. the things that they what what do we. have you learned anything about the. afterlife I guess or that that next step. have you learned anything about that or. do you feel like you've learned anything. absolutely I am extremely interested in. that after years of doing research and. being aware that they were remarkably. consistently describing unearthly you. know Heavenly Realms obviously as a.

researcher I'm danged interested in that. so in our most recent version of the. survey we've got a lot of questions. where I try to drill down on that try to. understand more about that remarkably. consistent perspective on what lies. Beyond death's door and that's where. Theo it gets dang interesting one thing. we're okay talk interesting here so. what's it like okay you know here it. first of all you have to understand it's. radically different from that physical. Earthly like that we know it's nothing.

like a separate geographically. independent we have five senses dude. yeah oh yeah you know how many senses. you get probably when you're done here. well more you know there's 12 senses I. bet okay think about all the other. senses you could have the more the. merrier I know but regarding what I'm. consistently seeing based on survey. questions and and spontaneous comments. that they have the afterlife again. completely non-physical emotions. non-physical. communication uh they typically have a.

greatly accelerated Consciousness they. often have amazingly what they call. Universal knowledge it's a sense of. knowing everything it's a bigger picture. of knowledge far more than they could. have known in their Earthly life now see. some of that relate makes me sound a. little bit like um you know I did a a. little bit of DMT with this guy from a. smoothie shop right okay you know and. that's uh it was in it was in uh I think. it was Maui basically yeah and hell it. might have been their damn um you know I.

think the guys on their pamplet or. whatever you look at the Maui the you. know he's yeah anyway so uh but I. remember. thinking that all of my feelings were so. limited the the the the yes my concept. my concept of. existence that I had here on Earth was. kindergarten compared to what else there. was anyway when you said that that's. just that's just all I you know I.

remember that and that's fascinating. glad you shared that I think there's. sort of different ways you can come to. understand that what we know all the. knowledge we have here on Earth is. incredibly small compared to that bigger. picture the if you call Universal. knowledge in fact near-death. experiencers become aware of basically. they'll describe as. understanding the universe how it all. fits together how it's connected that. drove me nuts when my early years of.

research I kept saying we'll share. something bring back something we can. use in our Earthly life and I'll check. you right here because this reminded me. it's not that you get the knowledge that. the knowledge is like read to you as if. you read it on a page and then you know. the facts it's that the knowledge is. suddenly in you yeah that's what it. feels like you've got it bingo I just. realized that I'm always yeah it's like. it's not like you can you don't just. you're like it's not like go. everything's revealed to you really it's. just revealed in the sense that suddenly. you know it or that the the revelation.

of it didn't even matter and that I. can't even explain it again now but but. exactly you're going right down the path. that I've heard from so many near-death. experiencers I love it what they will. become aware of is it it's funny they. often say it's so simple it's so easy. well gosh not those of us on Earth but. you know what's interesting after years. of studying these accounts and wondering. why they didn't bring back something. that we can use one near-death. experiencer taught me and said hey it's. like an ocean of knowledge he was aware.

of and that can't fit into the teacup of. our human brain and then I went oh I get. it that's how limited we are in our. Earthly physical life right I've thought. about that before too that I wonder if. we just don't have the. means as limited as we are yes to to e. just and there's nothing wrong with that. it's just we're doing a great job we do. a ton of you know seeking and wondering. but even our ability to wonder is in not.

infantile because here we are discussing. it but it's uh it's not able to know. exactly to be known and it's probably. good that it isn't because we would. really Wilt I think if we almost knew. and I think that's true I will tell you. the awareness of this Universal. knowledge that's out there that we don't. know one thing that that has led me to. consider in my research is Theo that's. just dang humbling I'm a doctor I'm a.

smart guy blew through Premed my work in. three years so I I thought I was pretty. good but aware of this incredible. knowledge that is far beyond anything I. or anybody on Earth could understand is. really really humbling about how little. we really know in the big in the big. picture of things and it's kind of nice. if you can Embrace that yeah oh takes. the edge off well it tells there's a lot. that we all need to learn and uh that's. that kind of continues the scientist in.

me saying okay we're still uh we haven't. got all of knowledge figured out there's. just a vast Universe out there just. waiting to be understood and discovered. and that's exciting we will we ever get. it but and maybe we will and maybe you. know and some of it is even us thinking. about this together and having. conversations like this you know and. comparing somebody who's done a lot of. research with people who weren't under. the influence of drugs unless you. consider like somebody being you know. falling off a cliff a drug or whatever. being in a car accident but um and then.

somebody who's only had kind of unique. experiences through drugs you know um. and realizing that there's some. similarities and and some like that are. totally different what are some things. that people talked about the afterlife. the one thing you said that was. interesting was being able to make a. decision maybe to come or to go so. there's some like it's almost like do. you want to stay do you want to try this. new thing you know uh that's interesting. what else well you know what interesting. what's interesting Theo is that when. they're in that realm when they're in. that beautiful unearthly realm feeling.

love and peace beyond anything the new. on their Earthly life that's not. unfamiliar they often say this is a. strong sense of their real home and and. not their Earthly life and that's one. reason they want to stay there they know. their friends family and loved ones that. they leave behind are going to be okay. that they too will be in that realm when. their time comes feeling you get to when. you hug somebody that you love I think I. like that I like that a lot and that. exactly that feeling it's almost it's. not even about the you're happy that.

it's them you know but it's really not. even for there's a little bit of. sometimes in a moment in a hug where. it's not even about them it's just about. this like other little space that gets. created kind of that just feels uh. absolutely welcoming you know I'm. talking about kind of yeah I love. talking about love so we'll focus on. that but yeah when you've got a hug and. you've got that intense sense of love. you can understand in personal. experience the words in the dictionary.

that it's like a connection like a unity. and you often can feel that and because. the love described in near-death. experience is one of the most common. words you see that the in the afterlife. described in near-death experiences one. of the most consistent themes amazingly. is they do feel that and they use a. stronger word the connection much more. commonly saying it's a Unity it's a. Oneness of of us and of everyone it's. sort of like the super if you will Ultra. love is what our destiny is going to be.

in the afterlife oh yeah that 70s love. baby you know cuz the 2020s love is a. little you know it's. definitely it's got uh it's been I think. it's been cut with something you know. probably baby powder I'm guessing but I. you know I think it's definitely. different but that 70 stuff that sh that. was some pure love it seemed like back. then um oh. one thing that stood out in your book I. remember reading that. um that there was a that there that.

blind people had similar near-death. experiences absolutely people of sight. that is a very good point Theo uh I. interviewed Vicki Vicky was born totally. blind oh wow she's really all in oh to. Vicki Vision was unknown and unknowable. I interviewed her and you know you. simply cannot explain Vision how how we. see in terms of the remaining other four. senses imp possible and so I Lear a. great uh game show they like a Japanese.

game show you know that would be. interesting we had a beautiful young. Blind Lady will you bring bring her up. we had a blind woman that came on here. and we learned about being blind oh. fascinating it was really really. interesting that's great I interviewed. Vicky Vicky she was uh very good at. singing she was a professional singer so. she was singing in a bar one evening. which is what she did and was involved. in a terrible Auto accident and I'm. going to jump in on what you and many. other are thinking wait a minute she's. blind no she wasn't driving okay she had.

an inebriated Patron driving which was. not a good idea so bash also if you're. drunk and you the last person you need. to help you get home is a blind person. yeah that she was probably not real. helpful with navigating down yeah it's. just like and let them be dude they're. doing their own thing you're drunk. driver yeah very at Le you know take. somebody that can see yeah well sorry. whatever well you know that's that just. shows you know exactly the problem of. drunk driving because he nearly killed. her of course he is like yeah and you're.

like and you're like oh I'm so drunk at. least if we get in an accident this. person won't even see what happened you. know so they can't lie to the cops too. yeah there you go for you know that's. just the [ __ ] that guy was probably. thinking probably well anyway so Vicki. was taken to the emergency room and the. first time in her life that she had. Vision she was in what we've talked. talked about that out of- Body. Experience Consciousness over her body. and you it's interesting to understand. her first emotional reaction of suddenly.

having Vision which was unknown and. unknown to her she was actually. frightened because the sense of vision. was so unfamiliar she was initially. horrified what is this new sensation and. she had to actually calm down and then. finally correlated she didn't even know. who that was down on the gurnie below. but it was only after Vicky correlated. the feel of her long hair man I can't do. that well uh because I don't have long. hair but Vicki did so if you need it she.

correlated a feel of her long hair and. interesting ring that her father had. given her she only knew by the sense of. feel and now she was seeing it from up. above in an out of Body Experience so. when she calmed down she then had a. tunnel experience had a review of her. life that Life review and went on into. those unearthly Heavenly realm's. beautiful highly detailed and highly. visual near-death experience but with a. Twist Theo her vision as she was.

explaining it to me was what we hear. from many people that have near-death. experiences it's so-called 360 degree. Vision amazingly she's simultaneously. understanding Vision in front of her. behind her right left up down the proper. term would actually be like spherical. and that was the vision she knew so when. I told Vicki that those of us on our. Earth life have these pie-shaped visual. Fields because of where our eyes are in. the skull Vicki laughed at me she said.

that just can't be she didn't get it. couldn't grasp it because her whole life. experience with vision was that. spherical Vision wow wow that's so. fascinating and then she came back here. and didn't have any more Vision she yeah. so when she returned to her Earthly body. Vicki was back to being totally blind. and I mean this is pure blindness no. sense of light no partial Vision at all. I mean this is like to her vision. unknown and unknowable interestingly and. I asked her did you see colors well how.

could she answer that she had no life. experience of knowing what color is she. say but she knew she'd seen which is it. almost makes you believe that there's. just a one sense then it's a holistic. sense so then what why I wonder why we. get stuck here in these that these. entities that only have five senses then. we we almost feel like a SP split end of. you ever seen like a split end of hair. like you know like when we get they. split ends hairs or something and their. hair it looks like it's been doing drugs.

or it's rattled you know it's had had. it's not been doing that well yeah and. uh and so um that's how I feel something. like a human where this erratic or if. you see a live wire on the ground and. it's just it's not connected but it's. like you know just that's how I feel. like humanity is where this split end of. existence that's that's frayed kind of. from what it seems like even nature is. supposed to like nature even though it's. violent and it's beautiful it's. everything at the same time it's. decaying it's birthing it's like this um.

it's um it's constantly occurring right. it's and we sometimes feel like this. weird thing that's able to stick our. head out of Nature and just look around. at it right we don't know what we're. really grasping we're trying our best. some of us are you know wearing driving. gloves and thinking we're neat but most. of us are just like [ __ ] dude we. don't know what's going on here anyway I. don't if that makes any sense but yeah I. think it does I think it shows like you. know here we're so used to our five. Earthly senses and yet in so many ways.

they're limited I mean you hear these. accounts like Vicki and you go wow our. senses uh in the afterlife are going to. be much much more than we possibly knew. here I mean it's it's just really. breathtaking to think about how. Consciousness functions we're not. limited by who we are what we are in our. Earthly life I mean we're stuck with our. vision our hearing sensation you know we. got five senses and that's it you know. at least for most of us those yeah and. there's some pretty door to door senses.

they're nothing real you know they seem. like kind of over the- counter senses. under the counter which one's the which. one you got to get a prescription for. yeah I like they're kind of uh kind of. they can be marginal I mean medically. you know we see people that have. impairment in their senses and that's. that's very very sad so but which one. you have to get drugs for which one do. you have to get a prescription for over. the counter or under the counter oh over. the counter is oh so these are under the. counter senses these are just like basic. you know like your regular Shel senses. you know on the Shelf senses yeah. nothing special it doesn't feel like.

anything special yeah and and yet you. know it's all we got to live on it's. well shoot I guess one way of looking at. it Theo it's kept us alive for all of. our lives I'm not I'm grateful for but I. think when we start to look at Vicky's. sense even a blind person coming back. and saying look dude you guys can have. your vision or whatever BS you do. whatever two-dimensional BS you guys are. looking around and stuff that's fine. just knowing on that next level that you. get all the uh you know you get like uh. all the all the you get everything that. they have exactly I we're not limited.

you know what I think too sometimes Dr. long is like I used to have this theory. that like um four-legged animals right. they complete a circuit right because. they're on the Earth right there's four. legs they complete a circuit and then us. somehow we ended up two we're two-legged. so we kind of have these Loose Ends all. the time and I feel like we're we're. we're just this uncompleted circuit. sometimes and that's sometimes how I.

think why. we that's something that happened to us. we're we're maybe supposed to be more. four-legged because you look at some. two-legged animals kangaroos I think are. two-legged and they are yeah they're. obtuse brother they're they're bouncy. yeah they're fighting they have children. on them they're just like us really. they're like us at Disney World you know. and it's like so that's I that was a. theory I had like a year ago or. something that popped into my head I was. like why do we not fit sometimes with. nature at ease you know you know that's.

an interesting point because you know. we're we're so much of nature is that. four-legged and and you it's fairly. consistent in terms of how animals go. around here we're the anomaly we're not. that's the thing we're the anomaly we're. not the norm we're the why did we end up. the anomaly and I and but then you start. thinking well is there a higher power. that wants us to be the anomaly that's. Tak us from this four-legged and stood. us up to have some Enlightenment which I. also think is very to me feels very uh.

warm and wanting you know so um and it. could be a mix of the two I don't know. I'm just thinking out loud what have you. garnered from uh speaking with people. who have been close to the afterlife and. um what have you garnered from that oh. that's that's where my research gets. amazingly interesting what I'm seeing is. well Theo it's a basic scientific. principle that what's real is. consistently observed and that's where. it's exciting when you look at the. afterlife in near-death experiences.

because what's described now times. thousands is so amazingly consistent I. mean it's a beautiful unearthly realm. that strong sense of peace and love but. off the scale beyond anything they knew. in their Earthly life um the encounters. with deceased loved ones interactions by. the way deceased pets are often. described in near-death experiences and. these are again joyous you know for. animal lovers out there tremendously. good news from near-death experiences I. mean hey Theo you name it dogs cats.

birds horses I've seen not rats we pet. well I mean I haven't heard that but you. know certainly are are not it's not at. all unusual and like other deceased. humans that they knew these are joyous. reunions and you know sort of back to. that sharing like they did on Earth only. here they are in the afterlife so so do. they see that they see these people in. the afterlife what do people say they. physically see they see their father. cousin or grandparent or something they. see them in the way that they saw them.

on Earth um not NE is there any. information about that you oh a lot like. how do people see people when they when. they have a near-death experience how do. former humans that they knew or humans. that they knew on Earth that are now. gone how do they see them in uh in the. ndes right they're essentially always. picture perfect health even if they died. of an Advanced age or a disfiguring. debilitating accident or injury when. they're encountered in the afterlife. they're essentially always absolutely.

picture perfect health interestingly if. someone died in an extremely Advanced. age they may appear even decades younger. yes and if they died in very early. childhood amazingly they may appear in. older childhood really and so it seems. to be that kind of interplay usually. yeah usually they look pretty much you. know and they can tell. and another interesting thing you almost. never have people say Mary is that you. it's it's an immediate and intense deep.

understanding that this is their beloved. they can share from issue you know what. they had and experienced in their past. life um there's a predisposition for. genetic relatives but you can be. anything obviously spouses or uh you. know pretty much it friends loved people. so it it again a beautiful beautiful. part of near-death experiences where you. have that joyous reunion and in fact. even if the Earthly life was strained in. the afterlife it's that's not an issue.

anymore there's joyous sharing there can. be sort of like the analogous of of. interaction touch you can't really touch. non physical but there's certainly a lot. of that kind of very close sharing and. interaction a very beautiful very. touching part of near-death experience. so there's no like needing to get. overpass things everything's just equal. there yeah that I I I I that makes so. much sense man I think even I think. whenever I did some DMT or something my. feeling was just that these intricacies.

the or these idiot these idiot ways that. we interact with each other and how we. treat each other it's all. so pointless to the a to what it all. whatever that value was at we're like. it's like there's a whole like equation. going on and we're over here like on a. um one of those Nimbus counters whatever. is it no that's a cloud but like one of. those like little you know that I don't. know I'm talking about dude Jesus Christ. but um but I do understand that I mean.

it's it's it's like we're infantile in. understanding understanding that the. value of each other right and here we. have our Earthly things that separate us. those anger resentments jealousy and yet. none of that absolutely I wish everybody. on Earth could hear you say that for you. none of it matters when you're on the. afterlife because you're you're letting. go of all those things that that kept us. apart that separated on Earth and here. we are in the afterlife intensely. feeling unified connected one with.

everyone and everything um literally you. know a concept of super love if you will. yeah so then why does this happen why. are we on this leg of Life do you think. do you able to grasp does anybody get. that sort of information or it doesn't. really go there it's just more of this. okay now I'm this there's the. opportunity when you die to get be. embraced into this everl this. Everlasting warm love all knowing place.

but do they get any intel on why we're. in this realm now yes I asked a specific. survey question if during their. near-death experience they got any. specific information about the meaning. and purpose of life so Theo I've had. hundreds and hundreds of people give. that narrative response in direct answer. to that question and and what is. fascinating is that our Earthly life. first of all very important what we. learn here lessons about love. relationships what we experience is.

important but way more important than we. could have possibly known it seems to. Ripple through an eternity and through. the lives Souls of many many other. people so um that was fascinating for me. to understand that as I kept getting. these narrative responses so there is. value to what we learn here that's what. you saying yeah oh absolutely there is. value and it's seems to be extremely. important and here's another concept. which a lot of people wouldn't think of. and that is you know all we know here is. our Earthly life I mean this just seems. to you sometimes drag on forever but our.

real uh Consciousness our real beings is. that which is eternal and infinite this. physical Earthly life that we're living. seems to be the tiniest slice of our. Eternal existence this is literally the. one time during our Eternal existence. when we can know non- eternity non-. Infinity limitations what an interesting. way to think about it so that is that is. literally as opposed to trying to be.

told or or learn from other people's. experience there is no other way for us. to learn all that we do in the physical. Earthly realm of life other than to. experience it right as a tiniest slice. of our infinite existence wow cuz yeah. you you think like man I want to get. back there where everything's. interesting but maybe when you're there. you're like dude we got to go back to. Earth where everything's all kind of. peac meal and weird and you got to. figure it out and you hit puberty or. whatever and [ __ ] strange you know. absolutely I mean it's only during a.

physical Earthly life I well the. afterlife you're not going to have that. anger you're not going to have that that. want you're not going to have you don't. even remember any of that oh yeah. absolutely it doesn't matter if you saw. somebody that you hated there's not even. the all of that friction or whatever. doesn't exist I don't think in the. afterlife well you've got that yeah but. the you've got that overwhelming sense. of love and compassion and connection I. mean you're really you think you would. forgive somebody or you don't even have. to forgive them it's just known it it's. I think it's a you there's one thing.

that's overriding in the afterlife is. free will you have the free will choice. to forgive someone or not to forgive but. shoot that's what they say in the. afterlife well that's what we see from. many near-death experiencers describing. is grudge over there you you would have. I think if out of free will you would. have the ability to hold a grudge and. yet. I don't even know that I've seen any. near-death experiencers describe that in. other words this is completely off the. scale in terms of love peace that sense.

of connection uh that sense that on our. Earthly life even if we made mistakes. and gez we all did oh yeah I know I did. oh I know that those referees who call. didn't call that pass interference about. six years ago when Drew Brees was in the. playoffs I know that they did talk about. mistakes I'm going to take that one of. the afterlife honestly you might have a. different perspective when you're in the. afterlife like you know I thought about. that I can let a lot of stuff go man but. those guy they just they should not have. done they should have figured that out.

well anyway maybe I will you're right. I'm sorry but you have the choice you'll. probably have the choice to do that and. yet you'll understand that in a realm. where literally the guiding force is. love that that might not be loving and. so that might not be who you are at that. point in time and I think it's I know. it's it's it's tough to it's tough to to. put yourself in the mindset of that. infinite Eternal Beyond Earthly love and. unity that you have there but that's. what that's what I hear times thousands. no I look I I think uh I think that part.

relates to feelings that I've had under. some psychedelics or under iasa just. this all know this this I can't remember. if it's iasa or DMT whichever it was. something I haven't done them in a long. time but um where it felt like yes all. this silly stuff of the the world world. this Earthly world didn't matter it's. but there but then there must be some. long-term thing to it but but like. you're saying it does it does matter to. be here and exist and go through this my.

friend Megan sheii she's like a. therapist in Oregon and she's really a. really neat thinker and a deep thinker. and she um she would say sometimes that. some of our soul some Souls that you. come across and some of our souls and. maybe me and and maybe you and are like. baby Souls it's like their first time. doing uh the Earth show you know so some. some Souls you meet and they're just. like oh some of them have been here a. long time maybe and they're you know.

they're smoking or whatever and they're. you know they're complaining outside of. the library but some of them it's their. their first time and they're like you. know having a blast or just I don't know. I thought that was kind of a interesting. school of thought that she shared with. me one time yeah it's a concept of old. souls you know I've heard of that before. right you've heard of that before I just. never heard of young I'd never really. thought of the the other side of it that. that's that it's some soul it's just. like they're fresh out of the B you know. the the the bassinet and they're just. you know well if you have old souls you. have young Souls together a binary but.

again I think it's all you know in the. afterlife I I don't I don't know if. there's really a judgment or that it's. so critical I think we're all here to. learn um there you know we're all here. to share and interact with each other. and learn from those relationships and. grow from those relationships I mean. that's going to be a part of the. consciousness of who we are what we are. and and literally what we can share with. eternal Consciousness uh you know on an. ongoing basis so it's really that. important it's not just our. Consciousness it's what we can do as a.

group it's what we can yeah it's. literally there's a shared Consciousness. there's a shared knowing and so that's. we talked about briefly earlier about. like a ripple effect of Consciousness so. what we do in our Earthly life the. choices we make the love that we express. is actually literally Rippling through. eternity far more important than we. realize than we we could possibly know. here I love that that's such a great. thought man it's such a great Theory too. and it's one that we need to put out. there more and I I I feel like um we're. getting more I feel like that is going.

to become I think we're starting to. realize that these these ways of like. immense greed and like putting each. other at like massive amounts of people. at pain for profit and just and it just. there's no what is the long-term value. of it well anybody that think what is. the longterm value of oppressing a. people or of you know it's like we have. to be evolving out of that and it's like.

I I I think a lot of us are starting to. see that like it does because the only. way we all have to be here and it's like. we ha you have to find a way where it. all works out you know and some of these. um archaic ideas of greed and of uh. just um I don't know I think about that. stuff a lot I I like that because after. all you know the old adage you can't. take it with you I mean if you spend.

your life being greedy and hoarding and. and you know material possessions none. of that is going to exist in a physical. afterlife but what is going to be a part. of you your soul is going to be those. loving outreaches you had it's going to. be those times that you really showed. compassion and that is to be what helps. Define us our Eternal Soul and will. Ripple out and be a part of us forever I. agree with you and but we can do that as. a be I think our leadership and how we.

choose to can do that like I I like I. don't know I I'm not like a socialist. really I don't think but I I guess I I. am a person that like that I believe. people should be capped on kind of the. amount of money that they can make I. don't believe that corporate like we. should I don't think we should sacrifice. the good good of PE the betterment. overall betterment of people and of your. experience on Earth uh. for technological advancement for profit.

I don't I like I don't know I haven't. fully conceptualized some of my ideas. and I don't know what they are but I. just see how it just makes it sick it's. like we could just we could have better. lives overall it feels like but then. maybe part of the reason that we're here. is to have this struggle and to see. these things and to know what um. what the ups and downs feel like and to. know what it feels like not to care. about each other as much as we should. you know so then when you do go to that. other place it's like oh this makes so.

much sense you nailed it it's the. struggle we're having struggles here all. of us you know the needs the wants the. the you know the the thinking that we. should be greed you know the the the. desires we have to you know struggle. with just being human I wonder if we do. better do we Evol like wonder if we if. at a certain point we do like decent. good enough then God gives us another. sense like now you got this sense boys. and you're like whoa bro so I wonder if. we can evolve if we all got to a level.

of of caring about each other or of. doing something you know and I know that. [ __ ] sounds kind of Hoy toyy and we are. the world and Magic Johnson or whatever. or Michael Johnson molested those kids. or whatever I'm not saying all that but. I'm just saying like if we all got to a. level where we could like could we like. do we get to go to another level if we. can beat this level on Earth absolutely. I think that's a a beautiful statement. of a hope of a vision for Humanity if we.

can all learn about the importance of. love compassion sharing um let go of. those all to human greed once uh you. know the incredible dispares in M. material Goods around the world which is. just incredible if we could let go of. that if we could all know that we are. one we are one world world one people if. we could just visualize that work. towards making it happen absolutely we. as a Humanity could evolve and evolve in.

a very positive direction and we would. yes and I think that that is a great. expression of hope so good I like your. attitude too Dr long and look obviously. I'm sitting here in a warm room and you. know clothes and food and everything I'm. not like trying to. uh but at the same time I'm not going to. burn down every. moment of my own life or like. achievement or something just to try and. say that that idea isn't possible you. know it's like obviously we're. privileged enough to be able to say that.

you know or whatever you know we have. microphones we have what you know we. have electricity and everything um and. yet here we are you know talking about. you know being able to talk about this. and and yet we're we're learning about. the importance of these values from. near-death experiences from our own. lives I mean it's that seed of. compassion that I think every human. being has it's just a matter of bringing. that out helping people to manifest that. and how it would change the world if if. we all understood that and different.

ethnicities different places different. people they have less of it than others. I think different people we all have. different pieces of each other's lock. you know like we're all the keys to each. other's locks that's what my friend. James Basher always says and it's like. we're all like different you know we do. need each other anyway this is getting a. little bit like preachy almost but not. it's it's positive. and it's good it's a good Mage and I. don't mean that but I don't want to get. to the point where we sound like we're. just like we know like we're trying to. save the world the this hope of yeah and.

yet the Hope For Humanity that we are. expressing very directly here is. directly part of the near-death. experience wisdom over and over we're. understanding those Concepts and that's. directly relevant to the the greater. truth the greater understanding and. literally the hope for world that people. that have Near Death exper experiences. bring out yeah now what about this dude. they say what's if somebody's going to. die and they're not going to do. near-death experience they're just going.

to die right what's what should you wear. you think if you're going to. die cuz like so you get so because some. people say you know sometimes sometimes. I think that if you whatever you wear. you dying you could get that job in the. afterlife they say dress for the job you. want you know what I'm talking about um. Theo yeah in 25 years of interviews like. this that's the first time I've heard. this question so I'll address that I. don't think it makes beans worth of. difference what you're wearing or what. you're not wearing or nothing at all I.

mean it it's in the afterlife it's going. to be your Consciousness not your. clothes it's not going to be any aspect. of who we are physically uh clothes hair. uh you know jewelry we're wearing you. know we are much more than that we are. Consciousness and that's that's what. near-death experiencers are consistently. describing as going on to the afterlife. yeah I think I'm GNA wear a chef's hat. probably cuz I uh I would want to be in. a bakery I think if I'm in heaven and. you're in a bakery imagine how good it. smells you know would be good and you're.

just making scones or whatever cuz the. British I guess get to go to heav you're. making me hungry yeah Heavenly scones I. don't believe you know I don't believe. everybody should be there but I'm you. know all right but they're British. they're good folks but you know some. people don't think that they are yeah. but um have you have you this is one. last question I have for you Dr long and. thank you so much for your time today. man pleasure I'm glad this evolved I. think we stayed patient with each other. and this evolved into a cool. conversation this is an awesome. conversation so carry on what you got. there yeah and I'm grateful to this book. man I'm I'm grateful just like you know.

that there's somebody who wants to care. enough to think about this and collect. this information because it's it's kind. of tedious I'm sure it is my literally. my second full-time job and a big shout. out to my wife jod she is a licensed. attorney and yet she stepped down from. doing that so she could devote full time. to running the website and working to. this information and share it back with. the world the experiences the near-death. experiences shared with us freely it's. wonderful that we have the opportunity.

to share them back freely uh literally. in over 30 different languages so people. all over the world can read these if you. go to the website nf.org go to the. homepage you'll quickly realize yeah we. don't have anything for sale and we. don't solicit donations why but that. doesn't seem like the typical. materialistic Viewpoint it's because we. know that the information we have the. experiences we're sharing are so. important we don't want to compromise. the Integrity of that by having any. commercial interest right on the. homepage okay got it that's fair I.

respect that man I think there's. certainly ways to do that sort of thing. and and there's ways also not to feel. embarrassed about it you know like I. think from listening to you I don't I. think I can people's instincts usually. are what they are and everybody will. make their own decision as to if. somebody thinks you're some sort of a. snake oil salesman or something but. that's not what I gathered um. and and we do that for everyone you know. we do that on all types of things I'll. tell you this I accidentally bought four. copies of the book and one audio copy of. evidence of the afterlife because uh.

yeah I had I didn't know where I was. going to be and so I um if I was going. to be here La so I bought one and then. uh my friend got me one and then I. bought an audio uh copy as well but I. don't have God in the afterlife this is. a different book yeah that came out. later and that's where we went into the. deeper if you will spiritual content of. near-death experiences concepts of God. which I want to hasten to add many. near-death experiencers say God is a. human word and what they encountered in.

God is far beyond human language far. more uh you know they would are. concerned about being Limited in what. they encountered by using typical. English verbal expressions of that which. is beyond the verbal Beyond language and. God but also great deal of writing in. this book about love and the concept of. that that seems to be if you will the. glue that holds the universe together. and what we've alluded to earlier uh the. overwhelming consistent comments from. people that have been in that unearthly.

Heavenly realm that amazing concept that. we're all one we're all unified we're. all together uh and forever which is. again completely different from. conventional Western religious thinking. and yet by the literally at this point. thousands we have people that have. near-death experiences sharing that yeah. yeah no I think uh that that's. interesting so people so that one's a. little bit more of a religious aspect. this has nothing to do with religion. this is purely evidence based this is. purely what people have okay their.

experience of what of any interactions. with what they perceive to be God and. you're saying that overall that. experience was that the god that they. perceived or the energy of a higher. power or of an more all- knowing power. was greater than something we could. actually conceptualize and the best we. can do with that here on Earth is by. saying God absolutely is just the most. common word I mean you know there's. really no. other senses it goes to the senses of. this is the best we can do with the five. senses we have is create this um this.

this uh lower level according now if we. if we believe in this higher level that. of uh of communication and of sharing. and an idea of something yeah absolutely. yeah that's you got it you nailed it. there Theo thanks dude it only you know. it only took us 2 hours to do it so what. about have you have you had anyone who. had a near-death experience from like a. um a uh like a.

mass like a 911 or a school shooting or. a mass death type of scenario was there. anything like that ever I know you said. there was one where there was two people. yeah have you had anybody report from. something greater like that wow you. that's a good question you know. fortunately Mass sudden death mass. shootings Mass things like that are very. very rare you know virtually all people. that die it's going to be you know their. individual death that accident illness.

Advanced age that kills them I can't. right off the top of my head think of. any near-death experiences that occurred. at a time of a a very Mass death that. have been shared with but I'll sure keep. my eyes out for one yeah I'm just. wondering if there's too much death in. one moment at that place for the other. side to like really you know maybe they. have to just um. you know maybe they don't have as much. of a intake you know person working that. day or whatever where you have enough. time with them you know what I'm saying. you don't I don't know where you know.

because I imagine that some things would. be a little bit similar maybe they just. like all right everybody get in here you. know you can't loyer you know yeah uh I. don't think we have to worry about that. the every hint of information about the. afterlife is overwhelmingly more. intelligent loving and I think there's. an. immediate sort of wear entry into the. Afterlife for anybody who's permanently. deceased on this world any celebrities. have reached out to you any interesting. folks like that or like people you know.

that any like interesting folks that. have reached out to you to be more. curious about your work yeah we we do. periodically here for some I mean you. name it doctors Executives uh some. people that don't want their name. mentioned but yeah we've had some people. very interested in this that have. contacted me you know like are you sure. Dr long are do you really be how what is. the evidence behind it can you share it. with me so we've I've banded with some. people uh way up the food chain if you. will uh in this society that are are.

fascinated with this research and want. sort of a one-on-one perspective so yeah. I've done that there there's plenty of I. mean how can you not be fascinated about. what happens after you die and so you. know people that are you know well Todo. that famous literally have those same. interests that I think everybody does. certainly at least some point in their. life yeah well it's a big conversation. that we have about death and it's a lot. of times it's a conversation I think. that we have with ourselves but that. we're really afraid to have absolutely. you know I don't know how much I have a.

conversation with myself about death and. if I do what even is it really yeah like. what do you know anything about that. it's such an unknown is such a mystery. oh I I think just about every person. that's ever walked this planet you like. you have thought about this and and it's. unknown or unknowable the good news is. interestingly when people have a. near-death experience as you might guess. their fear of death drops dramatically. from a person who's had a near-death. experience these are called After. Effects the typically observe changes.

after a near-death experience and one of. the most common is a dramatic reduction. in their personal fear of death and. that's no surprise now is it they know. what lies Beyond death's door because. they personally experienced it they know. it's wonderful and not to be feared yeah. man that reminds me whenever I did that. DMT man I remember I called my mother. after after I sent her a text and I said. hey M don't worry about getting older or. dying it's not that big of a deal what. we're doing here isn't as super. important as we think it is and that. everything's going to be way awesomer.

than you think it is um which is just. interesting because that's the only time. I think maybe that DMT experience was a. little bit more like some of the. near-death experience but I'm going to. go and read I'm going to go check out. that website and and see what more. information I can Garner because this is. really just it's neat to think about MH. but man yeah get close now are there. people. who want to sign up and say hey put me. under some type of a coma or something. so I can try to have a near-death.

experience are they kind of like. astronauts of death where they want to. go into that darkness and see what they. can get and come back are there people. like that yeah fortunately people that. have raised that possibility for having. themselves have an induced death is. first of all it's vanishingly rare thank. goodness second of all nobody nobody's. ever going to do that that would be. illegal unethical and that's not how you. study near-death experiences I mean. shoot look at this we've had thousands. of people share their near-death.

experiences why should we put someone's. life in jeopardy to just study what we. can ask literally thousands tens of. thousands probably around the world. millions of people that have had. near-death experience so there's. absolutely nobody's going to do that. right I see it from your side especially. as a medical professional right but are. there I'm dude I bet we could damn do. sign up online you know I bet you get. six people off Twitter by midnight today. who would do it you know who would let. you put them under some sort of a thing. and they would sign that you know the. you know the Red Rover agreement or.

whatever if they don't come back or. whatever I don't know what it would be. called but I bet we could I bet there's. a lot of people who'd be like. near-death uh experienc astronauts or. whatever who would want to just you know. every other day maybe they maybe it's an. every other day job you put them in a. coma or something and say see what Happ. they try to come back around yeah sadly. that's true I think there's a lot of. people that so want to to incorporate. that that wonderful message of. near-death experience into their own. life that they would be willing to risk. it again illegal unethical and.

absolutely not a self-loving path which. we see in near-death experiences so. commonly that overwhelming importance of. love that's not loving either to. themselves or to the individuals would. put them in a dying State that's it's. really it's sort of like the lessons we. learned from people that had near-death. experiences as a result of suicide. attempts they learned vividly that. that's not the right thing to do it was. a huge mistake. right wow man this is this pretty this.

is pretty heavy here Theo this but you. don't have a lot of talks where things. get this deep no and it's nice though I. want to have more talks like this and I. think you know even us just talking. about some of these things like I want. to have more talks about like greed and. why do we live in this space because I. think some of the sickness that we feel. as humans these days that we like you. know there's a lot of emotional. unwellness and mental unwellness and I. think a lot of it is just because of a. we realize or we feel and we can't even.

maybe put words to it sometimes that. we're sick. of something we've created a way of. being a way of treating each other and. even some of us are at fault we're all. part of it but we're sick of it I think. we're it's making us sick we are all. stuck in it kind of and we don't and. we've never been able to see it before. but I think we're starting to be able to. see it a little bit does that make any. sense to you or am I crazy no absolutely. I like what you're saying I think. there's you know there's sort of that.

sickness innate in humanity I mean here. we are you know self-focused uh focused. away from other people uh focused on our. own interests and our own concerns our. own wealth or own everything I mean it's. literally you're getting down to values. there's a sickness in the expression of. values all around the world today and. that's a sad thing it's you know. globally you could call it unloving and. yet here in near-death experiences is. that consistent message pointing to.

that's not the way that's not how life. is to be lived you need to think about. your neighbor you need to think about. other people you need to reach out. compassionately I mean it's literally a. profound message of Hope for all of. humanity and in fact these profound deep. messages and the near-death experience. are in my opinion the most profoundly. positive message even conceivable for. all of humanity wow it's crazy that we. have to almost die to get a message of. how to live you know that we have to go.

you know we have all this life in front. of us every moment in front of our eyes. and you have to go that close to the you. know to that white vulture of the Lord. Death and and go over there and feed. them bird seat out of your dang hand. it's just get a little bit of. information from it and yet I think we. need to if we do understand that that's. the big picture that that's really a. part of our real Eternal and infinite. existence and that we're all here to. learn lessons to move closer to that. greater reality that we have that Unity.

that love that compassion I mean I think. that sets you know really a pathway that. we can all think about each day of our. daily lives and maybe move one step. closer to being our true selves which is. what we're going to be in the afterlife. right yeah man it's defin definitely uh. it's definitely super fascinating it's. interesting to think about I'm grateful. that God let me exist to even kind of. just get to think about stuff like this. that's some sometimes the most.

fascinating thing about life and. especially of being able to stay alive. and get older because you get to see. more concepts of like that's one of the. saddest things I think when people die. young is they just don't get to see like. how things kind of a little bit more. clarity you get and and a little bit. more light knowledge you get of what of. of of existing and stuff yeah absolutely. was there anything else I was going to. ask you about man you this has been a. great interview so yeah you've really I. mean you've really covered a lot of. material here very fascinating I love.

this different perspective that you're. bringing out in this discussion here uh. I think you're coming at the concept of. near-death experiences in a very special. and I think very important very positive. way it's sort of that you need to think. about near-death experiences are are. such a a all-encompassing we start. talking about infinite and eternal. Consciousness and our s for Souls I mean. literally just coming at the concept of. near-death experiences from so many. different ways I have learned in this. discussion here I've thought about. things I I haven't really thought about.

before so this has been great this has. been very helpful to me personally and. I'm sure to vast number of viewers as. well oh thanks man yeah well I think. it's you know yeah I just feel grateful. that we got to chat about it dude. honestly um you know it's nice to think. about it and it's nice to be just. reminded about it you know m it's. interesting the things that we focus on. and listen to and stuff do have an. effect on how we feel and think and. stuff you know I think sometimes yeah. uh yeah I think it's important you know.

where we put our attention you know and. the dark arts have really masterminded. ways to take our attention and use it. for evil I don't think they know they're. doing it for evil they think there. there's other reasoning behind it but we. just have to be careful where we put our. attention you know that's the most. important thing it's hard and I'm not. preaching about it I suff just like. everybody else but to recognize that we. suffer is kind of a or that we're that. where we're trapped a little bit is is. kind of interesting and good start. that's really cool man what a neat hobby.

that turns into something. fascinating when you look back on that. part of it like your own attention to it. and stuff what uh what gifts has it. given you out of paying attention to it. absolutely I have been profoundly. affected by my study of near-death. experiences as a physician and I'm. practicing fulltime this has helped me. to be much more compassionate focused on. the patients loving to them literally. going the extra mile really being the. kind of a doctor to my patients that I.

would want a doctor to be with me and in. fact in the facility that I'm working at. now patient satisfaction is measured by. a national survey called press gainy for. the past seven months the facility I'm. working in yeah I've heard of that. before you've heard of press gainy well. how about about you probably haven't. heard of this in the last seven months. of the press G any surveys in the. facility I'm working with every single. patient that was surveyed on every. single question we were at the 99% level. based against national standards but.

again it shows and I want to emphasize I. contributed to that by the compassion. and love and attention and focus I give. patients but that's a whole dang team. that shares that value of compassion. doing their best of of making patients. feel like you know it's their home away. from home when they come in there that. they're really being cared for each. person is an individual so between me. and the whole team there we have some of. the highest patient satisfaction scores. you're going to find anywhere Theo well. that's congratulations and and and no.

that's that's awesome that your own work. has ended up uh that your own hobbies. and interests have ended up inspiring. you to do your original job better it. really um with press gainy we had a. corner in and he was talking about once. press gainy they started a calling. people and asking them to rate how. they're experien right right that it. started to affect that somehow the. opioid those makers use the press gainy.

press gainy scores and the that the. opioid makers were using the press gainy. to somehow do you know what I'm talking. about it all yeah unfortunately uh I am. suspicious that you know patients that. were seeking narcotics and then would. get that would rank their healthc care. team higher than if their health care. team did proper medicine and didn't give. them inappropriate opioid so I I I hope. that's not what this is but I I have a. fe I I just remembered literally when.

you said that I this the only second. time I've ever heard it go back to the. top please it says uh the US has get to. the. writing the US has been in the middle of. an opioid crisis for the past decade. death uh more than 150 people a day die. from opio we know all that stuff in an. interesting angle researchers have been. looking if there's a direct or indirect. link between press gainy course and the. opio crisis press gy is a company that. has the healthcare industry's largest. database of patient caregiver and. physician feedback which you're saying. you guys have done a great job with and. you think that a lot of that is because.

of your also understanding of what. people's potential life after their life. on Earth is it has certainly helped me. to be a more compassionate uh courageous. doctor I mean I I deal with patients oh. these are people that are facing a. life-threatening illness cancer is a. scary word but with what I've learned. about near-death experiences I can. approach each patient with cancer in. their journey of treatment and hopefully. recovery and and cure with increased. hope with increased compassion um in a.

way that I I I know uh is beyond what I. could have done before I started. studying near-death experience well yeah. if you're a concierge for this more. comfortable afterlife or existence even. just even if you just are collecting all. the rumors of it that's very fascinating. I think would definitely warm me if I'm. a someone who's really in severe pain I. mean it warms me and I'm not in pain. yeah um but yeah I just want to look at. this but patients using prescription. opioids to manage their pain are 32%. more likely to report High patient.

satisfaction scores according to recent. research out of Dartmouth Hitchcock. Medical Center but here's my question is. why if if a if a medical place gets a. higher press gaining score do they get a. is there a financial incentive to them I. mean not directly I mean I'm not. accusing you of anything I'm just you. just happen to be here when this is. happening I don't want you. I'm not I'm not yeah I I I haven't read. that study so I can't really comment on. the Dartmouth study and and you'd really. have to read it to to understand the. nuances to to Really interpret it I.

think accurately but you know as the. study says that you know there's there's. probably many different reasons that. that people could could rate their think. get Healthcare team higher if they get. you know more opioids I'm on an opioid. damn I'll rate you know I'll rate my you. know I'll rate my neighbor's violent son. higher you know or what you know what. I'm saying I'll rate somebody parked in. my driveway higher and I don't even know. him you know but but it this says the. surveys promote an assumption that. patient satisfaction is an index of.

physician competence but then what. hospitals can do is they can say we have. the highest score medical places because. yeah I was just C because I remember he. said that and I was like because he said. he thought some of the opioid crisis was. influenced more by some part of the. press gaining but I could I couldn't. understand what he was talking about and. so we didn't go down that road. when you said it it just me and and I'd. have to look over the study because. there's there's it's. multifactorial it's not a simple opioid. you know it's not it's correlated not. causal it could be for any medicine.

really if we give more medicine to our. some of our clientele then they're some. places are hypothe hypo hypothesizing. well then they'll give us higher scores. and if we get higher scores then we can. say we're the best ranked hospital or. whatever in the area yeah I mean I'd. wonder about that I don't know if the. Dartmouth study made that point but. that's you know that's that's certainly. a concern I can't imagine that that who. I mean I guess if you make that much. money by being a higher ranked then. maybe it would be worth it to you to me. it doesn't seem like there's enough. juice for the squeeze really in it um.

but anyway uh Dr Jeffrey long I. appreciate it man it maybe longer huh if. there's an afterlife oh yeah we we may. that's a good point uh this may not be a. do at the end of this discussion there. may be a continuity a sharing of. experience in an afterlife infinitely. and eternally so we may uh be encounter. each other again as Souls well nice to. get to know you here on uh here on the. starter block I like that but um thank.

you so much for just aiding people in. their cancer Journeys and um and for. being somebody that's curious about. possibilities outside of just the form. of uh of modern medicine these days and. um I think that's really interesting for. people to hear and and uh and thank your. wife too for being a part of your life. as you guys have that's brought y'all. closer together in some ways and and. she's helped and it just seems. interesting and and I'm I'm glad that. you did all this work so that we could. think about it yeah well thank you great. interview we we covered some very.

fascinating and informative uh Concepts. here so been an honor and a privilege to. hang out with you and talk about all. this this is great you bet man where can. uh and people we'll put links to your. stuff online and you are a practicing. physician yep fulltime dear. God I tried to retire and I failed went. back back to working full-time but heck. you know it's a labor of love just like. my work and near-death experiences I I. love doing both parts of both aspects of. My Life um thank you so much Dr long and.

I wish you the best of luck thank you. appreciate it take care I'm just. floating on the breeze and I feel I'm. falling like these leaves I must be. Cornerstone oh but when I reach that. ground I'll share this piece of my I. found I can feel it in my. bones but it's going. to.