Morgan Wallen | This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von #573

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I got here to uh Tennessee. Um he's. arguably the most popular musician on. the planet. Um he's the East Tennessee. Elvis baby. He's I you know you know. what he is. I mean he's so prolific. He's very competitive and I admire his. attention uh to detail. Uh today's guest. is one of a kind, Mr. Morgan Wallen.

[Music]. [Applause]. Yeah, dude. Good to see you, bro. Good. to see you, too, man. Yeah, it's. awesome, man. Um, what's been going on? Yeah, my mom is visiting for my. birthday. We went to uh the Opry. You. did? Yeah. Cool, man. It was cool, dude. Trace Atkins. Did she come up here a lot. or No, no, she hadn't been here since I. moved here. It was your birthday? Yeah.

Oh, happy birthday. Yeah, thanks. When. is your birthday? Uh, two days ago. March 19th. Okay, cool. So, yeah, my. parents are in town as well, but I'm. trying to I'm trying to get them to move. here. So Oh, you are? Yeah, I'm working. on that. That's that's been going on for. the last few weeks now. So, we'll see. Yeah. Yeah. Dude, your dad's so funny, dude. Yeah. He's the man. He's unreal, dude. Cuz we went on What was um we went. with uh is it Morgan Wallen the. foundation? Morgan Wallen Foundation. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Up there to Greenville. area. Yeah. During the flood stuff. Yeah. During Hurricane Helen. Yeah. And.

your dad came and um it was awesome, man. They had the food truck. They had, you know, they were doing food drives. and um I met some people up there. Went. and visited the houses and stuff. That. was awesome. Yeah. Yeah. That was uh. that was a cool day, man. I wish I wish. we did stuff more like that more often, you know? I guess we could, but Well, I. think that's why I mean, you have a. foundation that can do it when you're. not able to do it, for sure. But yeah, I. agree with you. I feel it's like it. feels good to actually get out and do it. yourself. You know what I mean? Yeah, it. can be it can be a little stressful. You. know, you got to you got to keep it.

timed up right to where you're not. sticking around in one place too long. and all that stuff. You know, you got to. be a little tack tactful about it. But. it's it's uh it's good. Yeah. And Tony. Vatello, is that his name? Mhm. Yeah. He. came out. He's the best. Yeah, he's. cool, too, man. Dude, he's cool. He He. always helps with with with stuff. involved in our foundation and we stay. in touch on a regular basis. We all do. Yeah. He uh I tried to invite him to a. uh a bracket the other day. I was like, "You're probably not allowed to do this, are you?" He said, "No." Okay. All.

right. Oh, that's I'm in that bracket, baby. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I tried to invite. him into that bracket. You and me are. tied right now. I think we're in first. Yeah, we are. I saw that. We I checked. this morning, dude. Yeah. But one thing. that was crazy about your dad though, he. was fasting whenever we're doing that, right? He'd been on a 40day fast. Yeah. He's done that for like as long as I can. remember. I remember him like when I was. growing up, he would just go and like. stay out in the in the wild, you know, in a tent or something and just drink. apple juice or something. I'm like,

dude, how how is this possible? You. know, that doesn't sound like that. sounds like hiding from your wife. Yeah. He needed some space. didn't have enough. money to get get a trailer or something. But that was I just didn't because it. was crazy because I just been looking. into fasting because people say it like. if you fast it'll help like eat away the. cancer cells that are in your body. So. when he was like I've been on 40 days on. Well, they say that that only takes like. a couple days to do that what you're. talking about, right? Yeah. Like if you. fast for a couple days it'll do that I. think. I don't Yeah. Yeah. No, that's. right. Once you get past 48 hours Yeah.

I think what he was doing it for was um. spiritual purposes. Yeah, that's what he. used to do it for and that's probably. what he's doing it for now. Yeah. A team. of researchers from MSK has shown for. the first time that fasting can. reprogram the metabolism of natural. killer cells, helping them to survive in. the harsh environment in and around. tumors while improving their cancer. fighting ability. But it just blew my. mind. I was like, "God, this dude's on. 40 days. Put this dude back in the. Bible." Yeah. I mean, dude, I don't I. don't understand how that's that's.

physically possible. You know, I I. pretty much have been for the last. little while fasting till, you know, noon. I'll do I'll do my workout and. like everything in the first part of the. day without eating. Yeah. But I can't. imagine going a whole day without doing. it to be honest. He's got some bandwidth. on him, man. Yeah. He's a pretty strong. willed guy. He's always so chipper, dude. Yeah. I just I'd love getting to. hang out with him. That was probably And. he tells stories like being in the. military and stuff. Some of that stuff. is bonkers. Oh, yeah. Some of that stuff. ain't going to be repeated on here. He.

makes me look calm, dude. That's the. crazy part. You start talking to him, you're like, "Oh, well, some of this. checks out." For sure it checks out. We. don't need a DNA test in this family. Um, but you said they're moving down. here. Yeah, I'm trying to get them to. Um, we'll see how it goes, but I'm I'm. working on it. I've been talking to them. about it for a while. Um, but you know, just somebody. uprooting their entire life to come. somewhere, but me and my sister live. down here. It's a It's a tricky, you. know, it's always tricky getting stuff. like that to happen, but we're working. on it. Yeah. Yeah. That's a lot, man.

Um, is it uh I know you have a son, Indie. India. His name's Indigo, but I. call him Indie. Indie, right? What's. that been like, dude? Cuz that's been. probably one of the biggest things in. your life, I'm sure. I mean, outside of. your I mean, like Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, I think I don't even know how to. ask that question. I think it just gets. better and better as, you know, the. older he gets. I mean, it's always been. cool, but you know, when he's he's four. years old now, he'll be five this year. just the personality that keeps coming. out and the relationship that you build,

you know, and he's he's got a little. he's got a little sass on him like he's. got a he's got a little attitude, you. know, which is I like I like that spunk, you know, like that. Uh yesterday my dad. was telling him uh he was trying to get. him to eat. It's a it's kind of a task. to get him to eat, to sit still long. enough to eat, you know. And my dad was. like, "Hey man, if you don't eat, I'm. gonna put you put you in the bedroom and. you got to go to sleep or whatever, you. I don't know exactly what my dad said to. him, but he looked at my dad and he. said, "I don't want you to stay here. anymore all day, brother." Wow.

But I just I mean, like, it's just. hilarious, you know? And then behind. your dad, you're telling him like Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh just. anything to keep him keep him rocking. But he's a he's a sweetheart, but. whenever you get him Yeah. Oh, yeah. He. uh he's almost too sweet. He's too nice. to everyone like people he doesn't know, you know, like, "Hey, man. We don't like. everybody, man. Uh, we don't know these. people, man. Stranger danger, baby. Yeah. Yeah. So, I'm trying to teach him.

a little bit of that. But he's got He's. wild. Definitely. He emailed me the. other day asking me to send him some. Zens. I was like, "Dude, you got to. Yeah. Yeah. I couldn't believe he. figured out, you know, how to get a hold. of the iPad like that." Like, I'm not. I'm not really big on letting him, you. know, sit around with an iPad, but I. guess he got my my nieces or something. She probably had him send she or he. probably had her send the email, you. know. Hey Haven, type this out for me. Um, threes or sixes? Does he have Yeah.

Yeah. Does he have. threes or six? I just downgraded to the. threes, man. I'm I'm I'm weaning myself. off. Are you? I don't know. Might just. be putting two in. That's great. That's. just a little bit of mouth math, homie. Yeah. But you'll see a dude with like 11. threes in. I'm like, "Bitch, just get a. damn 20 or something." That's like uh. Andrew. Oh, your cousin. Yes. Yes. He'll. have a a multitude in there. He's only on the Citrus, though. He's.

hilarious, dude. Well Well, I I'll ask. you about him in a little bit, man. Um. All right. What does your son have like. a favorite song of yours or anything? Yeah, it's a song that's not out yet. Like this this album, right, that I've. been working on, this the first time. where he's it seems like he's really. starting to put two and two together, you know? Yeah. Um, I would come home after I'd been. writing and I'd show him songs this. time. This is the first time that I that. he's ever cared, you know, and I was. there's a song called Eyes Are Closed on. my on my record and I uh I brought it.

home that night, you know. We wrote it. that day and took it home that night and. I was just playing. I wasn't really. playing it for him. I just had it kind. of played in the background because it. was my first time hearing the demo of. what we had just done that day and he. was in the background. He kind of, you. know, mosied on over there and started. being like, "What's this?" you know, and. then after it was done, he said, "I like. that song, Daddy." Really? And it was. like the first time he had ever done. that, you know, so it was a special. moment for me, something I'll never. forget. And he said, "Play that again.". You know, and I was like, "This song's a.

hit for me no matter what, you know.". So, um, that was the first time I had. really seen him like all those, you. know, dots start connecting. Yeah. And I. bet that's special. For a while he uh he. thought that soul by John Michael. McGomery he thought that was me singing. He thought he was like play daddy's fast. song. He called it the fast song lady. He thought he thought that was me. I. said damn man. I mean that dude sounds.

pretty good but come on. He's just bidding on pigs at his. daycare. Yeah probably. Well I went down. in Gry County. Is that Yeah. He called. it the fast song and I had to finally. broke it to him. I said, "That ain't me, dude." Yeah. Oh, yeah. And in that in. the email he sent me, he's like, "Yeah, you need to listen to my father's hit. Cottoneyed Joe as well." Oh, yeah. Well, we are from Knoxville, you know. He's. seen that sign a few times. That checks. out, man. Um, as you make more music, so. the new album I'm the Problem,

as you make more music, because you have. been so like prolific, I think that's. the word. What does prolific mean? I. think that's the right word, too. Okay. But I don't know if either one of us. should be if there were the dictionary. guys. Yeah, dude. Definitely. It's like producing much fruit. Producing much fruit, foliage or. offspring. Actually, it says um I ain't. been that prolific in that term, but. yeah, presenting one plentiful. It says.

uh producing many works. But is it does. it get tougher to like, okay, how do I. have do I have not have a song that. sounds similar to a song I previous had? Because when you have so many songs, does that get a little bit tough or. what's that like? Yeah, I think it does. You know, like has there been a great. song that come that's like you guys have. put together and then you're like, "Oh. man, it's just a little too close to. this or. Well, for this album, I feel like I just. didn't let it get to that point." You. know, if at least if I was a part of. writing it, you know, I think I can't. remember exactly how many ones I was and.

wasn't a part of writing. Um, but if a. song came in from a like as a pitch, I. kind of knew immediately. I was like, "Oh, these people are writing. This. might have made my last record, maybe. Probably not." But, you know, it's like. it's like that's what it felt like to. me, right? A lot of the pitches were. that. Yeah. Cuz I guess people are just. going, they don't know where your next. step is and who you are. There was there. was a select group of riders that I kind. of, you know, told a little bit what I. was trying to accomplish, you know, and.

I feel like that that really helped me. find a certain one of the sounds of. that's on my record. But for me, when. I'm writing, I kind of, you know, you. you can kind of tell from the idea. almost if if the song is going to be. similar or not, you know, and that was. something that was tougher for me. because a lot of, you know, a lot of the. things that were successful and that. were easy in the past were just like. whiskey drinking, you know, like all. that stuff. And I've kind of just almost. explored every angle of that that's. that's possible, you know, like there's. still there's still some possible ways.

to get get that in there. But I tried to. I tried to dig deeper, man. you know, and I and I a lot of my guys that I. write with, we kind of kept a at least. for me when I was writing, we kept five. or six guys. We didn't always write. together, but you know, that that kind. of core group of guys, we we all just. had a good good sense of what we were. shooting for and just trying not to say. the same thing that I've said before. and, you know, incorporating new things. So, I feel like it was harder, you know, I had to work harder. Yeah. Um, like. what do you mean like finding new ang.

like dropping? just finding new angles. and just thinking up ideas, you know, and there's, you know, or just maybe. somebody had an idea and they brought it. in and I'm like, well, that's pretty. good, but like trying to find a way to. to make it something different, you. know, like it would sounds like that. idea would have been on the last record, but maybe I can flip this or flip that. into making it something that's more. unique, you know? So, just trying to dig. deeper and not just not just saying, "Oh, yeah." Not just being content with. something, you know? Easy. Yeah. just. digging deeper and cuz you can kind of.

Yeah, it's funny. I was talking to um. Charlie Hansen the other night. I Dude, that guy, bro, him and Marissa. Is that. his Marissa? Yeah, Marissa. Yeah, bro. They're hilarious, bro. They are. hilarious. She's so funny, dude. Like, she kind of keeps him in check. I feel. like it's the the pairing both of them. Uh cuz he's like so kind of rough around. the edges. Like I don't Maybe that's a. crazy It's not a crazy thing to say. about him. No, definitely not. I think. he'd probably agree with that. Yeah, he's he's just so he's so real. He's.

just he's pretty blunt guy. Yes, pretty. blunt. Which I've always loved that. about him. You know, when he first got. to to town, I guess that was. probably we wrote, if I know me, I mean, that had to be either 17 or 18 when I. first met him. Wow. And 2017 or 18, not. when I was 17 or 18 years old, but. um you know, he kind of I think he came. from LA, so he had like this I don't. know. I guess it's different out there, you know, if it seems like it's like a. dick measuring contest out there a lot.

Well, people are probably Yeah. Yeah, that could be true. And I think he had. brought a lot of that mindset to. Nashville, you know, and I whenever we. were first riding, I'm like, "Hey, man, you know, you you ain't got to be you. ain't got to be like that, you know, like it ain't it ain't it ain't like. that here, you know?" So, we just uh and. I would give him a hard time when he. would be acting like that. I'd always, you know, talk [ __ ] and stuff. So, we. just became instant friends, like that. kind of friend. I see that 100%, dude. Yeah. Cuz what did I say? Oh, he got. married, right? And his wife one night, I think that she probably had a cocktail. or two and invited me to their wedding,

right? Yeah. And I had to work that. weekend, but I saw pictures you went. I. think Hardy went. It looked like a good. time. I mean, it was a beautiful. wedding, man. I mean, it really, really. beautiful. It was on an island. somewhere. Yeah. Island Marada. It was. like, you know, you heard of that show. Bloodline. Uh Oh, yeah. Yeah. It was the. h It was that compound where that was. filmed. Oh, damn. So, it was legit. Um. God. Yeah. But and then so I when I saw. him, I said, "Hey, man. and I'm sorry I. couldn't make it to the wedding. He's. like, "Well, you know, we weren't really. expecting you there." Yeah. I don't know.

if they I was in the damn wedding. I. don't know if they was expecting me. there. I showed up about an hour before. it's supposed to start and left before. it was over. But I uh I was proud to be. there, man. It was It was cool. I I I. really appreciated it. It was But he's. just like, "Look, man. We don't we don't. super know each other that good," he. said. But it was so It was so like just. the realest [ __ ] ever. He's like, "And. if we become better friends and you. know, and that happens, then yeah, man. I'd expect you to be at my, you know, if. I get divorced or if I if I do a renew. of the vows. I said, but it was just I'd.

expect you to be at my divorce now. Dude, it was just like and I was like, dude, you're so right. I was like, and. then it made me want to get to know him. more cuz it was like just cutting. through the [ __ ] I love that. He's. def that's a definite that's an accurate. way of describing him, which I think is. probably what makes him a good. songwriter, too, cuz it's like you got. to like if you too much bull. It's like. if you can cut through the [ __ ]. Well, yeah. He's he's he'll definitely. tell you. like or if you're if you're on. something, he's like, "Man, that sucks.". You know, and that's what I I mean, I.

feel like I have a pretty good gauge of. of, you know, what's good and what's. not. But like it's it's nice to have. another person in the room who will tell. you straight up, you know, cuz. especially when you when you do get to. like get to this level, people sometimes. don't check you the way they should, you. know? They'll just let you rock with it. and, you know, whatever. Damn, dude. No, it's just interesting to hear you say. that. Um, I had a guy a few years ago. I. was I had taken out a guy to we we went. to lunch. and he's married and we're both. straight, but we went and had lunch. together and um, thanks for clarifying,

man. But yeah, he was just he's been. like a manager of like some of the most. popular comedians over time. And I was. talking to him, he goes, "Well, you kind. of have to evolve with your audience.". He's like, "If you, you know, going back. to kind of what you said earlier about. like, you know, some people probably. present songs to. you that would have been great an album. or two ago." I was like, damn, that. would have been But it's like you were I. mean, you can't blame you don't you. can't blame them. You know what I mean? You can't expect them to know what's in. your head, what what you're going to do. next. Yeah. And they only have like the. footprints that they've seen you leave. so far make that they can even judge on,

right? Like I've heard wasted on you. I've heard that 2.0 18,000 times, you. know, in in my inbox. Um, a lot of them. don't even make it to me because it it. gets snipped before it even gets to me. But I've I've heard plenty of them, you. know. Oh, yeah. For sure. It's like I I. understand it. But, you know, you can't. you can't settle like that. Yeah. Yeah. But you also don't want to go too far. either cuz then your fans are like, "This dude, you know, what's what's he. on? What's his name? Chris Gains. Is he.

just taking a lot of mushrooms or. something, you know, like you can get. that guy too?" This manager one time he. said, he goes, "One thing you have to. you have to evolve with your audience. If you try to hide that you're evolving. or that you're growing because your. audience also grows, right? they so he's. like if you try it's it's it can be a. trap sometimes to try to just uh fit. your fit your current feet back in your. old footprints. And I just thought it. was interesting to hear somebody say I. never really thought about cuz sometimes. you're like oh this worked and I got to. stay right here but you're not there. anymore you know. Yeah. And I mean even.

if it's just subtle changes it don't. have to be like huge things you know. Yeah. You don't have to come out and do. like a Mozart style. Right. Right. You. know like my last album I had plenty of. trap beats and stuff like that. This. time I was like, "Hey man, let's just. let's tone that back a little bit. I'm. tired. I'm tired of it. I'm tired of. hearing it." So if I'm tired of it, they. probably tired of hearing it, you know? So just like certain things that you can. still get that same swag or that same. you can accomplish certain things. without doing the same exact thing, you. know? So it's just simple stuff like. that in in some cases. Do you feel like.

you've always had a pretty good like uh. instinct about that kind of stuff? Like. is that something you think you really. have? Like you kind of can feel I like. to think so, man. I I I feel like I can. tell when something's getting tired, you. know, and Yeah. I I don't That's a gift, man. Yeah, I guess so. Maybe God gave me. that. I don't know. Um but I've also. I've also learned from people in my in. my, you know, that I've been around for. the last 10 years who I've who I feel. like I've learned from and that that. have helped me with that as well. You. know, I don't think I was just fully. just I think I had a knack for it.

already, but I think I've, you know, developed it and learned from people as. well. So, yeah. Yeah. I I've always had. a tough time like uh because I've always. been like a do-it-yourself kind of guy. Like I feel like I know what I'm doing. Like I work hard. But then recently I've. had to like realize I need help more. It's like I can't always give this guy a. hard time. I need I need you know what. I'm saying? Like I can't always butt up. against every wall, you know? Because. I'll just do that. It's just my nature. because I don't want help a lot of. times. Yeah. Yeah, man. That [ __ ] has. been That's a big That's a big deal.

Yeah. It's been getting better though. recently. Even just like just little. things, I just started noticing it's. getting a little bit better and it's and. the irony is everything's been easier. Yeah. The more I let help come in. I. think there's certain areas in my life. like with music I've always kind of I've. been a good teammate. Um I don't know. why that is, you know. Maybe I've just. always like the I like the the aspect of. feeling like you're on a team. I guess. cuz I played sports and stuff so much. growing up, you know. Like for me, I.

enjoy the camaraderie of making music. with my buddies and doing all that. stuff, you know? So, I've always kind of. enjoyed the the the help and the team. aspect of that, but there's other areas. in my life where I I'm like you where. I'm like, I don't, you know, whatever. No, no, I'm good. Yeah, I'm good. So, it's not it doesn't necessarily permeate. throughout my entire life. It's just. that one thing where I I've been able to. to do that. So, yeah. Oh, dude. I'll be. sitting in a damn bottom of a hole. There'll be a thousand people out there. with rope and I'll be like, "I'm good.".

Yeah, I'll find I'll find one. I'll find. I'll pick a There's one down. There's. one down here somewhere. And they'll be. up there and they're like, "This dude's. an idiot." Yeah. Yeah. You're damn right. I am. But I'm Yeah, I'm proud of it, too. Yeah. Yeah. Then I'm proud of it. That's the best part. Is it tough in your life? I mean, dude, your music it's like it's just been such. a wave that like I mean, you couldn't. travel around town without seeing every. guy at a stoplight look like, you know,

look like a Morgan Wall and look like a. like a hear your music every store. Like, are there moments for you where. it's like, God, this guy's got to like. it's like where it almost where you. become too much for you? Like, is that. ever you don't does that make any sense. kind of? Yeah. No, it does. Um, it's. it's still it's still weird and there's. parts of that that I don't like. I mean, I think anybody who has to deal with. that, it's not ideal, you know? It's not. ideal to go everywhere and even if you. don't get get like, you know, bothered, you you you were on edge the whole time.

because you thought you might, it's like. there's just not a lot of not there's. there's things that you just don't do. anymore. You just don't do them anymore. Yeah. You know, but that's okay. That's. why that's why I've taken up hunting so. much, I think. You know, because I can. go be with my buddies. I'm in the middle. of nowhere. I can be at ease. I can not. stress out. Um, you just find ways to. supplement it, I think. You know. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of funny. You can't you. can't really go to a bar anymore because. it'd be too much hassle. And it's.

probably best thing for you. It's. definitely the best thing for me, you. know. I mean, if you if you're using a. bar as a specific example, that's. definitely that's definitely the best. thing for me. I ain't been in a bar. since since uh since the last time I was. in a bar. Um that everybody knows about. How is that? That feels like a bar right. there. It does. I been in a bar since. the last. It sounds like an old country. song for sure. Um dude, but yeah, that's. that's that's the most public time I was.

in a bar. That's the last time I was in. a bar. Dude, have you seen those? Uh. there's an AI bar thing that makes uh. country songs. There's one about a bar. You got to see if you can pull it up. Um. Trevan, is it good, dude? It's pretty. funny. Let me see. Uh this [ __ ] kind of surprised me. Uh. what was about Oh, it's the right one. Kitchen in the second one right there. with the guy and the lady in the truck. Yeah. Turn that up for a second. It's. just ridiculous.

Look, change it to whiskey and have. Morgan Wallen sing it. That's the one of. the number one comments. Hey, start it back over and just turn it. up a little bit. We can't hear it, but. this is just like AI made this. I woke. up in the. morning to grab myself a beer, made. myself some breakfast, another beer, of. course. That's when my baby said to me,

I want to get a divorce now. I. definitely knit the need to go grab. another so I can start thinking clear. Oh, it's a perfect day for That's good, man. But it's just crazy that AI wrote. that like it's just somebody just put it. in and dude, AI is nuts, man. It's just. making beers. I was talking to my mom. about this morning. That that is I mean, you know, could be a hit.

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What uh what do you what what are you. listening to right now, man? And. everybody ask that. Uh it's a good. question. I've been trying to find new. stuff to listen to. I don't find a whole. lot of new stuff to listen to. I've been. listening to like old I mostly only. listen to music if I'm driving or if I'm. working out. That's about the only time. I listen to music, which I do those. things decent amount, you know. Kind of. same, man. That's kind of when I do it. Yeah. Um. Steven Wilson I've been listening to. Yeah. He's he's good. He's really good. Great lyricist. Yeah. Yeah. He's he's a. special talent. That song about his um.

my father's son Hardy played that one. with him. God, that's good. Yeah, that. guy is really really good. Zack Topp's. voice is really amazing. I don't I don't. listen to country music a whole lot. I. think I've always kind of been that way. I know Zack I know who Zack Top is and I. do agree. He's he's very he's very. solid. Jesse Murf, Big X the plug. You've heard that song that No, they. have a collab that's pretty dope. That's. cool. Yeah, it's good. Me and me and Big. X, we almost did a song. Um, but I don't. know. I didn't I I actually sent him a.

song and he didn't finish it. So, I. don't know. That's on him. Um, I guess I. don't know what he was doing. He was in. jail. Did he? I think so. For what? Not. Not a long time. Not long enough. Not I. went to jail, too, bro. Hey, if you behind bars, write a couple. Yeah. Um, no. It was kind of spur-of the-. moment thing, though. I had I got a song. on my record called Miami and um I. haven't heard that one yet. They sent me. a couple of the songs. Did they? Yeah,

it's cool. Yeah. Miami. It's like a It's. a It's a Keith Whitley flip. So, it's. like a old You know, Miami, that song. Have you ever heard that? Miami. Miami. What took you so long? I don't You never. call. Um Oh, no. I never seen people. talk about it's one of his like bigger. type songs I guess but we flipped it and. turned it into more of like a it's a. little more like rap style but um it's. cool man. I like it. It's cool. It. seemed like it could use a a rapper on.

there. Um it I didn't end up using a. feature. We end up just making a second. verse. But it's it's one of those songs. where I could it wouldn't be surprising. if we got like a remix and did that. You. know what I mean? Once it's out and all. that stuff. Um what you you're famous. like you guys had said had this whole T. like p these different walkouts that you. did over the years, right? Really fun. And thanks for letting me be part of the. one in Nashville. Yeah. Um what would do. you have a favorite one that kind of. stood out to you and no judgment to any. of them. What was it? I mean Nean. Stadium is Oh yeah. You know, that's my.

home. That's where I grew up watching. Put those pads on. Payton, that one was. really good. The baseball team one we. did was really good, too. But that. Payton one, that was that was one of. the, you know, it's hard to beat. Anything that happened those two nights. at that stadium, I find myself just. being like, "Yeah, that's that's pretty. those those are like the, you know, some. of the best memories I've had." Yeah. Oh, yes. So sick. He's so He came out looking like he was. actually about to go play with his.

facial expressions and stuff. Hey, I. think half the the boosters wanted to. sign some some boosters. I think we're. trying to holler at him probably. Hey. man, you got another year eligibility. We'll find something out. Uh yeah, man. That was special, dude. So cool. Yeah, the walkouts are they're just the energy. that comes from those. It just could. last you. I mean, maybe not the entire. show, but it'll last you a while, you. know? And then once you get out there. and compound the energy that comes along.

with the actual show, it's just it's a. it's a rush. Oh yeah. Yeah. There's that coach right. there that we put that water on. Yeah. Hyple. Yeah. Oh, he's thugging. He's big. thugging right there. He was, dude. Um, what else is happen? So, uh, you have. your f the the first time you're going. to play your new album will be at. Sanding My Boots Fest. I'll play some of. my album there. Okay. Um, you know, the. album comes out on the 16th. I play on. the 18th. I'll probably I'll play some.

of the new stuff. That's That's another. thing, man. It's hard to It's hard. picking set list at this point, too. Oh, you know, that gets real tricky. Do you. do that yourself? You kind of organize. it? Yeah, me and me and my band do it. together. Um, you know, it's a lot of it's a lot. of it's data driven, you know, because. you can see, you know, which songs. people the majority of people want to. hear. Like, oh yeah, you're always going.

to miss somebody's favorite song. You're. probably going to miss my favorite song, you know, in in some in some sets. Um, just trying to figure out a way this. year since I'm, you know, I'm only. playing 20 shows. So, probably if I can try to figure out a. way to not play the same set list all. the time, you know, cuz last year I I. interchanged a a couple, but I think. it's going to be I'm going to make a. bigger effort to try to make the set. list different for at least each night. You know, maybe not every single show be.

a different set list, but like night. one, night two. Yeah. Because we're. playing two nights in each place. So, at. night, you know, trying to separate the. two nights as far as music goes should. be should be interesting because we've. never done that before. We we would. always just do like maybe change one or. two songs, you know. I'm thinking maybe. a little more than that. So, I like. that. Yeah. That way if you wanted to. come for both nights, too, they could. and hear different stuff, too. Yeah. And. a lot of people already do come both. nights, so that'll be nice for them, too, you know. Yeah. There's really no. way to do it perfectly. Somebody's going. to be disappointed or, you know, at at.

any point, oh, he didn't play this song. or he didn't play that song. But trying. our best. I'm not going to play for four. hours either. So, you know, yeah, you. got to keep it within reason. We got to. meet in the middle, guys. Yeah. I'll do. my best. Like, I don't want to sing for. four hours, you know. I I two hours. about maybe a little longer than two. hours. Hey, you put it on, man. I I like. my show like I'll be out there for maybe. about an hour and 15 minutes is probably. the sweet spot for me to be on stage. I. think with a comedian where they're just. cuz we don't have any backup.

instruments, so people are like, "Fuck, somebody tap in a violin or something. with this bastard." You know, people get. a little bit tired of it, but I can't. And that burns me out, man. I used to do. two shows. Now I only do one a night, but I can't imagine. I used to do two. shows in one night. Yeah. Back to back. Yeah. When you first started out as a I. think I remember you telling me that. Yeah. I think like even whenever I first. came to town, you guys came one night. and uh and saw me over at Zanies, man. That was cool. And you came and did my. podcast early, man. And that helped me. uh it helped give me some uh just.

support in the community. I didn't even. realize it was early cuz to me I'd been. listening to you for like a little. while, you know? So, I already knew you. and knew your knew about you and knew. your story and everything. So, it wasn't. like, "Hey, come do this weird new guys. podcast." I already knew who you were. So, well, it just support, you know, it. was nice to have some support right when. I got into town. Yeah. No, I'm glad I'm. glad we got to do it, man. Damn. That. was in 2020. Was it really? God. Dang, bro. Look how happy you were. I think I. got I'm joking, dude. We both look. happy. That's the pictures we picked. I. look like I'm in pain. You look like you.

just came from the dentist. I look so. white. Yeah, I think we had some we had. bad lighting then. Golly, we bought some. better lights. Looking pasty, boy. Um, what uh what's up with the free time. now? So, you go hunting. Where do you. guys like to go? Well, all over the. place, man. I I got a farm outside of. town that we that we've been, you know, planting and Oh, I getting all the agriculture right.

Um I don't think you've been to my farm, have you? Oh, no. Maybe it's just been. your house. Yeah. Yeah, you just been to. my house, I believe. But yeah, so we got. we got deer and turkeys down there. Oh, yeah. So that's that's pretty much what. it's geared towards. It's a really good. We we bought it. It was already a really. good uh turkey farm. And then we've just. been adding a lot of the agriculture and. all that stuff to try to make it a. better deer farm. What makes a good. setup like that? like what's the best. way to make it set up where it's. challenging to the hunter, but also like.

I mean it's always going to be. challenging when deer hunting just, you. know, because you only get to kill two. two bucks in a in a season in a state, you know, so you're not you're not just. going to go out there and shoot. everything you see. Oh, you know what I. mean? Like you you may let a really good. deer walk because you're trying to get a. better you know that there's a better. deer in the area or you believe there's. a better deer in the area. you know, like we have cameras and stuff now, so. we can kind of take inventory on stuff, but um you're not you don't I think.

people I don't know what people think. about hunting, but like you don't just. go out there and just massacre animals, you know, you're not out there with a. handgun or nothing. No, but I mean it's. uh it's interesting. I mean, the main. thing is food, you know, food and. bedding. That's that's really all that's. what those are the two main things that. you need to have a good hunting farm. Okay. As long as you got their the the. type of bedding that they want and. preferably the type of food that they. want, then you're going to keep those. deer on your farm because they ain't. going to they don't need to leave to go. find either one of those, right? They're.

happy. So, they'll stay in their home. range and they'll stay there and you can. grow them. You know, like we don't want. to you at least try to get them to be 5. years old. Um and that's that's minimum. that what we want to do. Um you know, depending on where you're at in the. country, people will let them get older. Um it's it's a little different I think. depending on your land depending because. you know like if you if you spend all. this time and money and then you got. your neighbor who if your deer walks. across to their property line they might. shoot it before you you were planning on. shooting it. So you know it's it's a.

little bit of a it can be a little bit. of a game. Um so there can be property. be property line beef like that. Oh yeah. there's all kinds of that going on. Damn, I didn't. Yeah, there's a lot of. hunting property line beef. And what. about reindeer? Do you ever see reindeer. out there or no? I ain't personally came. across one. Um my son did just get a. reindeer call and one of my one of my. buddies from from Alabama made him a a. reindeer call. No way for Christmas. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, it's hilarious. Bro, you have to use that with him. That's pretty cool. Imagine that, dude.

You're a kid and you think it was a nice. reindeer call you're bringing in Santa, dude. Yeah. He thinks that's what he's. doing. I mean, that's that would be I I. don't even think he's actually tried it. like he. uh I guess that was probably last last. Christmas. So, he's just he's came he's. just got a lot of new interest and stuff. this year. So, I think I was I came home. this this past weekend and I was working. on my turkey call just in my mouth, you. know, and he he was trying to like mimic. me and stuff. It was it was hilarious, dude. He's just screaming basically.

Is it fun to watch him kind of grow? Like what has it been interesting? Is. there moments where you see him learn. something and you almost see him learn. it? Like does that kind of happen? Yeah, it's cool. Like I I've been working on. him on how to catch and stuff, you know? I've just been using like a a soft. basketball that I I've got one of those, you know, just basketball goals you hang. up on the door and Oh, yeah. So much. fun. I use it more than him steal. Yeah, you're just making them rebound.

Yeah. Every time I'm on a phone, I'll. just put my headphones in and just start. shooting for like 30 minutes. Um since. it's been cold especially. Yeah. Um but yeah just you know when I first. when we first started he couldn't do it. and then you know a couple weeks later. he's like catching and you know you he. can catch a bounce pass now. You know. it's just like just seeing those things. progress in such a short period of time. is cool. Does it make you have a. different appreciation for your own dad. or has it adjusted y'all's relationship. any you think? Is that a weird question. to ask? No it's not a weird question. I.

I. think yeah, I think it probably does, you know. I mean, me and my dad, we. buted heads a lot growing up, especially. once I got to high school, just because. I was I was you were you I was kind of. ridiculous. And I think he was kind of. ridiculous when he was that when he was. that age, too. So, he was just trying. to, hey, don't be like me when I was. that age, you know? Like, I know what. this turns. I know how this ends. usually. So, we just buted heads. I. didn't, you know, you don't believe. anything your parents say when you're. that age. No, it's the last words you. want to believe. It's so crazy. It's not.

even possible. I I It wasn't possible in. my head to believe that. That's crazy to. think now. I'm like, damn, they were. right. But in my head, it was not. physically possible to think that they. could be right. It just wasn't. It's. kind of crazy cuz like, oh, these two. people that love me and care about me. and raised me this far. They're trying. to ruin my life. Yeah, they're trying to. ruin my life. Yeah, that's what you. think at It's It's insane really. But um. that's what I thought. But yeah, I mean. after, you know, I moved out and once I. really once I think I got moved down.

here to Nashville, that's when we we. became even closer. Yeah. Closer than. ever cuz I moved here pretty young, you. know. I was 22 when I moved here. Yeah. And almost been here 10 years coming up. Mhm. So it's I think just having that. space and then just being able to you. get older, too, you know, and just Oh, that's the biggest thing. You're like, "Oh [ __ ] none of that other [ __ ] even. matter what I was doing." Like, yeah, you may maybe you could have went about. it a little different or whatever, you. know, but like the intentions were. right. Yeah. I mean, I just got spending. time with my mom is like a lot of my. life it's like I'm waiting for my mom to.

like show me certain attention or. affection or something. The other night. we're just sitting there, we're watching. at the opery and she went there like 40. years ago or something, you know, and um. and I'm like, it's kind of stupid, but I. just reached over and grabbed my mom's. hand, you know, cuz some it's like it's. not about me being a kid anymore. It's. just about me being she's an older woman. now. So, it's like let me just be an. adult and almost act like I'm the. parent, you know, I'm not the parent. now, but let me I don't know. There's an. old part of me like a child part of me. like, "Oh man, it's my brother. I wish. my mom would, you know, pat me on the.

back. Just do something, you know, show. me a little bit of love or something.". But then I just grabbed her hand and. then we just watched it together and it. was like me kind of I don't know, a. little moment for me where I was like, I'm not going to be that. old grudge. I'm just going to move. forward, you know? That's cool. Yeah. But it was just interesting. Or I just. or just to give my mom a hug while we're. sitting there, you know, just like, you. know, me and my mom my mom always we. always had like a super super good. relationship. She was always loving and. stuff, you know. So I I just I felt all. that for my mom. But me and my dad, you. know, like I said, we buted heads. So it.

was more of just getting past that phase. in my life. But for I didn't once it was. once that phase was over, it was over, right, to me, you know? I wasn't I don't. I don't have any sort of hard feelings. towards it. Oh yeah, dude. Your dad is. so funny, dude. Right when I see him, my. my face just [ __ ] smiles. Like, I. just energetic. Your chipper. You said. he was chipper. That's the right word. for him. And he's been fasting for like. 700 days, dude. Yeah. I don't at this. point. I don't know. He ain't fasting. He ain't fasting right now. I've been. seeing this man eat during during this.

trip he's been down here. He ain't. fasting. Don't let him lie to you. Cuz. I've been basically I've been, you know, eating clean and stuff, trying to get. ready for tour and all that. and. they're, you know, bribing me with all. these hamburgers and stuff. I'm like, "Man, go cook at somewhere else.". What uh what about motorcycing? You you. you got a motorcycle? I remember last. time we saw you were talking about Did. you get one? Yeah, I got it. Oh, yeah. Harley had one today. I do. Yeah. Gang. gang. That's nice, dude. Let's go, baby. That's a I got this off some like.

vintage thing. Yeah, that's tough, dude. Um Yeah, man. I I enjoy it. You do? Yeah. which I I kind of had ridden dirt. bikes and stuff a little bit, you know, enough to understand my way around a. bike already, right? Um, so me and Cody and TD and a few of a few. other of us, few others, we all got. bikes. So, look at that [ __ ] I'll buy. the cologne, whatever they're selling. right there. It does look like that. It. really does, huh? Exhaust by Morgan.

Wall. Exhaust. Smells like a fork. That wouldn't be a bad cologne, though. Dude, smells like Morgan Wallen's farts, man. Oh, what if you had a blow to start. that thing? What if you had a [ __ ]. one of those breath things on? I'm. surprised I don't. I'm surprised. Has. anybody ever had a motorbike that has. that on it? I'm sure they have. I'm. surprised I don't have that on every. vehicle I've got. Shout out to Davidson. County.

Um Um Sorry, man. That's hilarious. No, that's a handsome picture, man. That. looks nice, dude. But you get out there, you I like it cuz it's like you got your. helmet on. Nobody knows who you are. You. get out there, you got to focus on it, too. You got to be You ain't on your. phone, you know? You ain't doing. anything else. You just thinking about. what you got to do on that bike. Yeah. So, I I enjoy that aspect of it a lot. You like, at least me, I physically. can't do anything else other than, you. know, think about what's going on on. this bike. Be locked in. Yeah. So, I.

like that aspect of it a lot. You know, you'll be riding and all of a sudden. it's 5 hours have gone by and you just. don't realize that that happened. Yeah. Damn. I got to get out there sometime. I'm just so bad. I'm bad at being in. motion. Well, that might not be for you. then. Yeah. I'm better. I'm better. What. do you mean? Wait, what do you mean? Keep going. I'm bad at just like being. in motion and having to think at the. same time. I'm more of a stop and think. then move. What do you What are we. thinking about though? Just any whatever.

the next thing has to be. It's just hard. for me. Like I get I just I think Well, you can just be in the back of the line. then. Yeah. Yeah. You can just follow. us. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I would be a good. Yeah. I don't want to be at the front. Okay. Yeah. Or the middle. The middle is. probably the safest anyway. You can be. in the middle cuz you're protected in. the back. You're protected in the front. You don't have to make any decisions. You just follow the decisions. That's. where I need to be then. I don't Yeah. You should take What's Harry? You should. go take Harry's motorcycle class. That's. who we took our class from. Really? He. was good. Yeah. I mean, I learned things.

I didn't know and you know, it wasn't. easy necessarily either. You know, there. was things that that were challenging. Do you all go in a pack when you go out. there? I've ridden a couple times by. myself, but I would have somebody. following me, you know, like my security. or just anyone. Um, but we mostly just. ride at least in groups of two and a lot. of times groups of four. That's tough, man. Yeah. I maybe I'll have to get out. there. I got to pray about that. I don't. Yeah. I don't want to Don't let me I'm. not influencing you at all. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I.

don't want to be out there just like. listen the problem in the side car. Me and a little German side car. Um. yeah, dude. Your cousin Andrew and I are. friends, man. Yeah, he's a cl dude. He. is okay. Your family is funny, dude. You. guys You got a lot of characters in our. family. That's what you have, dude. Even. when I remember when you first told me I. met you about your uncle David or some. of you would tell me the holidays and. then just different people you would. tell me and then getting to meet your. dad and then uh yeah Andrew and I become.

friends over the years. He's he's. hilarious dude. Yeah, he definitely is. hilarious. Went fishing with him. He. [ __ ] Dude, that dude will he'll put a. damn he'll start fishing anywhere. You. pass by a Chase Bank and he'll he'll. cast over there and put a What are you. trying to catch, man? Frog top on there. just cuz there's a bank. [ __ ] put. Dude, he'll catch a damn He'll catch a. safe deposit box over there at the 12 lb. brother. Oh god. But he Dude, he's just. good. He took us out to some property.

Him and Ben Weapon, I think is the guy's. name. Yeah, Ben. Yeah. And um and we had. a blast, man. But he's good. Where'd. y'all go to? Hol. Uh no, we went to um. Oh, you went to Ease. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We went to Ease and it was cool, though. I hadn't been there. God, that's. beautiful. That place is immaculate. God. Yeah, that was good. Got some big fish. in there. It's a a beautiful spot, man. But does he hunt home with you? Does he. hunt? Does Andrew hunt with you? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Some He does. Yeah. I like I. like hunting with him. Um you know, he. works for Field and Stream, so he.

travels a lot doing doing that job, which I think is a really good job for. him. He loves it, man. Yeah. Yeah. He's. talented, but he's hilarious, dude. That's We all keep telling him like he. should have his own YouTube channel or. something. Really should, man. Just a. series of some sort. and just the things. that happened to that guy. I'm like, dude, I don't know how this has occurred. to you, but you know, the world deserves. to hear this. Yeah, that's the thing. The world deserves to share in your pain. that you're dealing with right now.

Cuz the things that happened to him are. just unbelievable, man. Bro, he's just. such a good story. He Yeah, he's Bro, he. has been Getting to know him has been a. gift, man. Yeah, he he is a a true He's. a treasure, man. He's a national. treasure. He's a buried treasure, too. I. mean, I really He is buried right now. We keep I mean, no, he's Maybe he'll. take this and he'll watch this clip and. go start his channel. You know, he's. entertain. Yeah, man. He's just. entertaining. He's easy to be around. And yeah, that feeling stream job with.

him is perfect. He could do both. He. could have that job and do, you know, that could almost find a way to put them. together. But you That's what I'm. saying. It could be part of the same. thing. You couldn't find a guy that's. more perfect for that. Um, has there. been something nice that you kind of got. yourself as a gift after you started, you know, feeling like you were doing. pretty well? And I mean, a trip you took or anything? Yeah. I mean, I I'm I used to be. probably a little more frugal than than. I am right now. Um, yeah, same. I don't.

like I don't like going to get stuff. I. don't like shopping for stuff, too. Yeah. Um, I'm trying to think if there's. anything that I was just really splurge. out on. You know, I got a couple watches. and just things like that, but and I got. a couple nice cars. I mean, I don't I. don't feel like I'm over the top big. spender guy. Yeah. You know, and a lot. of times What uh what was your first. car? Do you remember it? Yeah, it was a. Jeep Cherokee. Was it really, dude? I.

got a freaking Jeep Cherokee, dude. You. do right now? In Los Yeah. In Los. Angeles, I have a car there. It's got. like only 12,000 mi on it. Oh, this. thing had a lot more than 12,000 mi on. it. Really? Yeah. Um, it was a white. Jeep Grand Cherokee. I think it was a 95. if I'm if I'm remembering correctly. Dude, I like those cars. It was not a. bad car. Um, I mean, it wasn't Whoever. had it, it wasn't the most It was like. that right there. That's exactly what it. looked like. God, those [ __ ] were. tough, dude. That's exactly what it. looked like. Yeah, I had damn Ford. Escort. 84 Ford Escort. Pull that [ __ ]. up, dude. If they'll even allow you.

Sometimes Google won't let you look at. them anymore. Them [ __ ] are visually. outlawed. That [ __ ] bro. That [ __ ] will. c It'll remodel your ey line when you. look at that [ __ ] dude. God damn, that. [ __ ] looks horrible. I hadn't looked at. it in a few years. I could I mean, yeah, that's pretty. bad. Especially that one on the right. That blue one. God, that one pulled up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, and barely pulled.

up. just pulled up slow, dude. And it's. got a twocylinder in it. Probably. It had a [ __ ] outboard. motor engine. You had to steer it like. with the reverse way like like you have. to do a johnboat. Yeah, it had a boat. motor in it. Steered it from the back. And dude, somebody stole my passenger. seat in that [ __ ] Really? Yeah. So, if.

you had Was it only a two-seater anyway? No, it had three extra little seats in. the back. Okay. Okay. But they weren't. even a bench. It was three individual. little bitty. seats. T three booster seats back there. You either had to have three kids that. were triplets, I guess, or a couple. small buddies. But somebody had stole my. damn passenger seat, dude. Did you ever. get it back? Uh-uh. Somebody were eating. at a Burger King and somebody stole that. [ __ ] out of there. And um but then. people had to get in. and they get in.

the car, but they couldn't sit right. there. Dude, I'll take You put a couple. blankets down or something or what? I. don't know. Whatever, dude. But, uh, the. one time I picked up a dude. I was. getting him to buy me alcohol at a gas. station I was skipping at school. And he. got in this kind of homelessy kind of. guy and he got in. Instead of sitting in. the back, he just got on his knees right. there at the passenger side. So, I'm driving and he's just He was. your friend. I didn't know him. No. He's. like a guy who I gave him money to buy. me alcohol. Oh, okay. So, but anyway, I.

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finished? Is there a moment where you're. like, I just can't. This is far enough. Could you keep going on an album and. like could you keep fine-tuning it. forever? Yes, for sure. Yeah. So, that's. a real possibility. You can overdo it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Ah, the powers that be. will give you a deadline if you want. certain things to happen, you know, like. do you want your vinyl to come to be out. to be ready by when the record's ready? Um, you know, things like that. So you. kind of they put a you know they give.

you a buffer because they know you're. not going to have it in time. They got a. buffer for the buffer. They got they got. like a 8week buffer I think that they. put on me. But those time those time. limits are are healthy I think you know. because especially I mean it's not like. we wasn't work I mean we worked really. hard on this album pretty much since. tour was over I've been writing and you. know just recording all that. So, I mean, we recorded 50 or 51 songs.

and cut 13 or 14. Wow. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Um, so what happens to a lot you. just kind of decide this doesn't fit. here right now or you might hold Yeah. Some of the songs were songs that I. wrote, some of them weren't. So, if I. didn't write them, then they'll just. whatever happens to them, not up to me. anymore. And then if I did, you know, who knows? I might make a side project. of something if, you know, something. that has nothing to do with my name. I've always kind of wanted to do that.

anyway, you know, just kind of figure. out a way to It wouldn't be my voice. It. wouldn't I don't know how you would do. that. I'm sure there's all kinds of ways. to go about it now, you know, these. days. But Oh, yeah. But it not be my. name, not my voice, not be any kind of. style of music that I that I normally. do, you know, just to see what happens. to it. Might be like house music or. something, you know? I don't know. That. would be pretty sick, dude. Yeah, dude. If you had house music. I mean, people. would if they saw my name on it, they. would I don't want it to have my name on.

it. I want to just see what happens if. it just gets put out into the world. You. know, maybe I'll like put it on a story. or something of whoever it is. You know, Dream Jacker or whatever the team is, but. whatever the name of the guy is, dude. Wet dream jacker. That'd be mine. Dream Jacking currently. Um, I mean I we were talk me and my. buddies were talking about this topic. the other day actually and I don't know. it might actually happen putting out. something secret low key. Yeah. Creating.

something. Yeah. Well, I bet cuz that's. an interesting thing. It's like once you. kind of have made a name in one space, it's kind of hard. You can't, you know, you almost have if you want to get a. real test of what people think of. something, you kind of have to secretly. do it some other way. Yeah. But it would. it wouldn't even be similar to the type. of music that I'm doing. Totally. understand. It would be nothing even. close to what I'm doing now. It would be. like I I mean I like I like house music. a little bit. So I listen to it working. out or driving or stuff, you know, like. melodic stuff. I like like that kind of.

stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I like But I feel. like a lot of that stuff doesn't. necessarily. have uh a lot of words and stuff, you. know? So maybe what if I took a song of. mine that didn't make my album, but it's. got a story. It's got all these things, you know? What if what would people. would people like that? I don't know. Dude, I thought this I thought started. thinking of this about two years ago. So. they have like ED you go to these. nightclubs and stuff and they'll have. like um John Summit, these different. kind of guys who are playing like um. House like trance or whatever, whatever. it is. It's just people doing dope.

really late at night and just doing like. this, you know, whatever that is. I. don't know the difference between all. those styles of music. It's like it's. one style of music. I know there's sub. genres and all that, but yeah, same. I. don't have a clue. But I'm always like, why don't they have a like a more like. country or like why is it always like if. they had remixes of a lot of great. country music like um that and you put. it to that same type of [ __ ] that cuz a. lot of people want to still go have that. environment but I don't sometimes you. get tired of that music. It just gets. kind of old. So if they had remixes some.

dope country [ __ ] I'm like if they had. two country DJs that came out like a I. feel like it would be so sick just doing. remixes and [ __ ] Yeah, it would be. cool. I'm surprised they don't have that. already. Me too. Me and Cayla Presley. try thought thought about trying to do. it, but then it was just like just don't. have a lot of time, you know? And that. becomes something, too. It's like. there's things you want to do and you. just don't have enough time, you know? Yeah. Yeah. And that's it's smart for. you to realize that. I mean, it'll be. like, well, I'm going to quit my job. that pays all my bills and, you know, go. be a mason. It's like, well, maybe don't. do that. So, yeah.

Just [ __ ] remixing [ __ ] Brooks and. Done. Um, before you go, man, uh, you. have some you have some amazing artists. that are going to be on some of these. tour dates with you. Yeah, I do. Did you. have to call them individually and ask. them how'd that kind of go? Cuz some of. these are idols really in the industry, you know? I feel I'm, you know, Miranda, I'm good friends with Miranda. I'm good. friends with Brooks and. Dunn. Um,

so that was pretty easy. Yeah. Yeah, I. mean that that there was already mutual. interest and that's something that's. kind of been a conversation for a little. bit longer than just, you know, this. year. So, that one kind of just worked. itself out between them and my and my. managers. Um, I'm good friends with. Thomas Red as well. So, that one they. were all He's nice, huh? He's super. nice. God, what a nice guy. He lives. nearby, I think. Yeah, I think you're. right. Um, it just all kind of happened. pretty naturally, but I mean it's. unbelievable to me, you know, like I. haven't really this this page that's.

pulled up. I mean, just to see the. people that. are that are opening for me, it's like. it doesn't even make sense, you know? Miranda Ella Langley, she's a new Yeah, she's a badass. Or she's newly more. popular. Yeah. I'm not going to say. she's new. I don't know about her. history. I don't either, but Miranda. Corey Ken, I'm not familiar with him. If. it's a man, it is. Yeah, he's good, too. I'm have to check him out. Um Um Yeah. Annne Wilson, she's she's a a Christian. artist um by trait, but she's you know,

dabbling in the country music world. She's she's really good. Um you know, she's on our she's on our. agency, so she is. Yep. Yep. Um you. started I'll have to check her out. Oh, Gavin Adcock's out there with that. [ __ ] guy. Wow, dude. I love that guy, man. Oh, dude. Yeah. I uh he's walking. like I see he'll eat a [ __ ] he'll eat. a damn threepack. I saw him eat a three. pack of beers. He probably did. Oh, he'll eat [ __ ] two beers, dude. Yeah, he doesn't give a damn, dude. He played.

offensive line for Bud Light for a. couple years, I think. There is nobody. like him, dude. He's [ __ ] He He's. definitely outlandish. One of those things, those military one. of those MREs or whatever. He just got. beer in there, dude. He'll [ __ ] But he he's uh He's. entertaining. He's entertaining. He's. got He's got a good voice, too. And his. his music seems like he's just keeps. getting better, too. So, I'm I'm happy. for him, man. I got to tap in more with.

them. I saw him play with Kid Rock and. them on his one of his shows last year. Dude, I'll say this. Bob Richie, his. live performance, dude. No, he'll he'll. let him have it, won't he? Bro, it I was. [ __ ] I mean, I know, you know, but I. didn't He It was good, bro. I've never. seen it person like firsthand, but I can. imagine. I mean, I knew it would be, but. it's just been some time, you know? It's. hard to keep up, you know? I mean, being. out there for two hours, I mean, you. guys get I mean, that's a lot, man. It.

is, man. It can be for sure. I mean, depends on how often you do it, too, you. know? I mean, if you're doing. it, some people, I guess, still do it. three three nights a week. I'm just I'm. just going to do it two because it feels. like a disservice to to me and everyone. else to do it three days in a row, you. know? But two two seems like a good. sweet spot. Um, you can as long you know. you play the. show probably don't go to bed till 3:00. 4:00 in the morning just cuz you're so. wound up. Yeah. You're up people are. visiting. You got to say bye to. everybody. All that [ __ ] Well, I don't.

do all that anymore much because your. family's there and stuff. Yeah. But even. still, they know what the priorities are. at this point. So if I if I play a show, which my boy if if my boy's with me, he'll be asleep already anyway. So I'll. just we head straight out. Don't stick. around. I try to go to bed as soon as. possible. usually, like I said, don't. have no three or four. Then you try your. best to sleep till noon, one, two, as. late as you possibly can just because. your voice after doing all that, you. know, you need all that rest. Um, so. it's a it's become a little bit more.

like a regiment for me, which is which. is good. You know, I got a a vocal coach. and all that stuff too now. So, it's. just like it's like a whole boom boom. boom boom boom. This is how it is now, you know, and that seems to help me a. lot. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of. interesting. When I was a little. younger, I could do those. I could do, you know, some of those stretches and. now I'm like I don't I wish I when I do. see him on the schedule it's a little. bit tougher. Not comparing comedy and. and what you know. No, but you're I mean. it is I mean it's the same thing. It's. like a regimen. It's like yeah I got to. sleep in late and it's like well that.

kind of sucks cuz now it's like it's. kind of hard if you wake up at 10 to go. back to sleep for two more hours just. cuz it's light out. It's really hard. It's hard but you know you need that two. or more hours of sleep otherwise I'm. going to be edgy, you know, and I won't. be able to man I might not want to go. work out. Just all the little things. like Yeah, it it is. It's important cuz. it's just about getting yourself back on. the stage for that next that when it's. time to go, it's time to go. Yeah. I. mean, back in the day, I mean, which we. weren't playing twoour shows back then. either, you know, but we would play six. six shows in one week, you know? So, I. don't know how I mean, it just had to be.

young, I guess, you know. I mean, it. wasn't like we were I wasn't No, the. only regiment then was sleep till 4, start drinking at 5, you know what I. mean? Like that's what it was then and. we going to be good. Ain't that right, bro? Hell yeah. That's a Gavin Edok. national anthem. Yeah. I think if I. think back in the day if if I had a. camera on me like like Adcock does now, they might they might be they would be. probably saying some similar stuff about. me, but he he's a little more he's a. little more bold with it, I guess, than.

I was. Well, he's really Yeah. Uh he's. Oh, dude. He [ __ ] he'll be on stage. people. I think there's a He's like. People are throwing [ __ ] beers. He. just has beers bouncing off of him. He's. an animal, dude. He'll be like, "The PA. system shut down, but we going to still. [ __ ] perform." He just yell He just. He'll hollow out a beer can and just. yell out of it and [ __ ] He's [ __ ]. doing all kind of. [ __ ] He is ballsy, dude. His. personality is cool. He's fun guy. Very. entertaining. I got to tap into more of.

his music. I haven't listened to a lot. of his Yeah, you need to get him on. here. Yeah, I do need to. People say. that we look alike a little bit, but I. think they're just being nice to me. Um. to you to you or him? One of us. One of us, dude. Um Oh, yeah. You got your drink here. May brought. this today. That real tea. How's it. going? Real tea, man. It seems to be. seems to be progressing nicely. It's. good. I like it. I like it on ice. better. Um Yeah, brother. But I've.

always liked sweet tea better on ice. But I mean, you know, because I've been. I'm trying to eat and live and drink and. all that stuff clean. So, for something. that's actually, you know, healthy, it's. it's good. Yeah. Yeah. It's good for. sure. I like it. I like having a nice uh. little can of tea or something. I'll. keep a couple in the car. I'll drink. them warm even. Do you? Yeah. I'll get a. whole one in me at a stoplight. Yeah. I. don't do all that. You don't? No. My My. drummer told me one time he had drank. like I can't remember how many, you. know, like 13 or something ungodly in a.

short amount of time. said, "Damn, man. You're going to have kidney stones for. sure.". Hey, dude. That's Bro, maybe he'll have. a band, a cover band of the Rolling. Stones, and it's called Kidney Stones. The Rolling Kidney Stones. Um, is there a song sometimes of your. own that you'll listen to or one that. catches you sometimes and it'll kind of. catch you in your feels a little bit? Is. there any one that you're like, I mean, yeah, the song the song I wrote to my. son is is the song Oh, the one that's. not out yet. Yeah, that does that. it'll. be out soon. But um I mean it's also one.

of those things to where you know I've. tried so many times to write a song like. that for him and it always fell flat. So. I'd listen to it on the way home or. whatever after we wrote it and I'd be. like that's that's good, you know, but. it's not it's not how I want it. And I. also didn't want to write like a song to. him that. was all I don't know sappy. and slow and you know just like what you.

would expect a dad's son song to be you. know oh wish you wouldn't grow up you. know all. that like I didn't want it to be that I. wanted another birthday cake it's like I. didn't want that song at all that song's. been written plenty enough so And I. wanted it to keep like have a little bit. of my my sound and my swag and just like. and to be honest, you know, so it was a. hard thing to try to get all those. things wrapped up into one song and with. it's called Superman is what it's.

called. And I feel like we accomplished. that. And when I was when we wrote it. and I was riding home, it was actually. the last song that made my record. So. it's not like I've had it for a long. time. You know, it took us a while to to. get that song. Then. um it was actually Blake, one of my. buddy Blakes's. It was his idea. And the. hook was different though. It said. Superman. I don't remember what the hook. was exactly, but I was just singing it. and I was like, "Oh, I know. I know what. it is." And I changed I changed the hook.

and it like it made it. It was like, "Oh, there it is." Unlocked. And we all. all three of us in four of us in the. room just kind of was like, "Oh, yeah, that's it." You know, and then on the. way home, I was listening to it and. started crying. And that's the first. time I that had it happened with a song. for him. So that's I kind of knew. Yeah, that's cool, man. Yeah, man. I there's. one thing I've I've always thought you. had very good instincts, man. I've. always admired your instincts, you know, whether it's humor, we're joking around, whatever. You're [ __ ] sharp, dude. You're a sharp [ __ ] guy. And um yeah,

it's been I appreciate you just. supporting my podcast and uh you know, it's nice of you. And thanks for all the. great music, man. That one about the. mom. Uh, oh, I wrote the book, dude. Damn, that one sometimes. That's one of. my favorites, still. If I'm driving home. at night or something, I'll listen to. that one, dude. You know, that's a good. one. That one's like kind of puts me in. a good spot, you know? Yeah, I like that. one, too, man. Um, yeah. And what's the. one about the mom? Um, you talking about. my mom? Yeah. Thought you should know. Yeah, that one. Yeah. God, that one. God.

damn, dude. I pull over and cry. sometimes. Do you really? I will. I'm. like, [ __ ] you can't cry and drive, you. little [ __ ] This goes back to what. you're talking about thinking in motion. and all that stuff. Yeah, it is dude. Like it's just too much. Wall man, one of the most prolific. artists of I think of the ever on the. face of the earth, man. It's a pleasure, dude. I feel lucky to get to know your. cousin. He and I are close and um yeah, just thanks for all the entertainment on.

on behalf of everybody and it's just. been uh it's been a gift, man. Thank. you, man. I I say the same to you. I. appreciate everything that you do for. me. Cheers, brother. Excited for the new. album? Yes, sir. Now the breeze and I feel like these. leaves. I must be corner. stone. Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this piece of mind I found. I. can feel it in my. bones. But it's going to take.