Matthew McConaughey | This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von #625

Today's guest is a legendary actor, author, thought leader, just a just a. real vibe curator. He has a new book out. called Poems and Prayers. We had a great. time down here in Austin getting to know. each other. Today's guest is Mr. Matthew. McConna.

>> Glad to be here. >> Yeah. Thank you so much, Matthew. Nice. to meet you, man. >> You, too, bud. Where are you from? >> I'm from Louisiana. >> Which part? >> I'm from Covington, Louisiana. Down. there about 40 miles north of New. Orleans. >> Okay. My uh I got a I love Louisiana um. where the weeds grow a little taller and. the chassis is just a touch looser. But. I [laughter]. my family my dad's mother the Mlands had.

a school in Morgan City. So we would go. to Morgan City every year for the shrimp. festival. My dad grew up later lived at. City Park outside of New Orleans. And my. best friend who since passed away um was. from Zachary, Louisiana. And uh I I I've. always I was raised in East Texas, so. that Louisiana humidity bleeds over a. little bit over the border there, you. know. >> Oh yeah. It's like somebody just. exhaling a big Yeah. >> hit a cigarette smoke over there. >> Just hit Hurst Colosseum, man. Cuz you. could you could drink at 18. Get over.

there for My first concert was Rat. >> Yeah. Remember that? >> RAT. >> RAT, man. >> Lay it down round and round. >> Yeah. >> And I'd go to WWE matches over there. Bro, you were in the best place for. wrestling. >> Yeah, I got kicked out of Hirsch. Coliseum twice. >> You got kicked out of it two times? >> Two times, which is tough to do. >> Yeah, >> but if you spit a lugie on King Kong. Bundy [laughter]. when he's coming to the ring. Yes,

>> they will try to kick you out, but then. you get put you get kicked out and there. is a window on the exterior of Hirs here. >> that goes to one of the bathrooms from. which I snuck back in. And then I had a. hidden a bag of uh rotten tomatoes. and I pelted Scandar a bar. >> Yeah. >> From the stands and got kicked out of. [laughter]. awesome, dude. Bro, they should have. paid you for being there. That's But. you're helping from the crowd. Bring up.

Scandar Abbart. >> There he is. Yeah. [groaning]. God, >> remember he was that that was the bad. guy at that time. >> Always, dude. They always had that. little kind of cheeky bad guy, you know. >> Um, we had uh Kevin Von Eric on here. >> Oh, there we go. >> And that was pretty special, man. I. loved wrestling at that time. >> It was so fun, man. Hacksaw Jim Dougen. was my guy. >> Yeah. Come out with the 2x4. >> Yeah, I saw him. I went to um Terry I.

went to Hulk Hogan's funeral and Hacksaw. was there. >> Yeah, here we go. >> It was pretty cool, man. All my heroes. were there. Like I had figurines of them. at home and the figurines are taller. these days and half of them are a lot of. guys like in wheelchairs. It was kind of. tough to see cuz you see like just the. the remnants of these heroes kind of. like the stained statues in a way, you. know? It was pretty uh. >> it was magnificent and weird, you know? It's like it was beautiful and sad. It's. like you almost want to pretend that. things are just in a certain place in.

time, you know? Your book kind of goes. into some stuff like that. >> Yeah. Were you an evil conval fan? I I didn't get into him much. We'd see. him like I think I saw him do one jump, but that might have been just touch. before I was like kind of awake to the. world. >> I got into it because my brother turned. turned me on to my older brother Pat. Anyway, he was just thinking about, you. know, fallen heroes and icons that, you. know, I got to know him later in his. life when. >> evil. Yeah. Got to know him pretty good. dog on well, man. I was trying to, you.

know, there's still a story out there to. be told on him, a movie to be made. And. I was around it and developing it for 25. years and uh yeah, there we are. Spoke. at his at his uh funeral. >> No way. That's so cool. Yeah. >> What kind of guy was he? >> Oh man. You know, he did not. People the. misconception are like he had a death. wish. He didn't have a death wish. He. had a life wish, dude. He was as he. said, he needed to jump because he. needed to sweat in his boots. Mhm.

>> It was almost like. I think his when he got on the bike and. put his hands on the handlebar, I think. his pulse went down. Meaning, you know, you now you know. there's certain boxers that that that. get the [ __ ] beat out him and they're. like, "Dude, you you're taking four. fights here. It's too many." And they. like tell you, "No, I have to. My life. outside when I don't have. >> to train or get ready for fight is. tougher on me. >> It's too scary." Yeah, a lot of guys say. that, >> you know, and I think he will it's he.

would always say like, hey, he wouldn't. postpone any jump even if it was. impractical. Even if his engineers like, dude, you're not going to make it. He. was like, well, the American people want. and they paid their tickets and they're. going to show up on time. We're going to. do this. I mean, I think part of that. for him, my opinion is that he was like, "No, I got to I have to jump, right? I I. can't postpone these things." Well, also. to have that level of integrity with. time itself, with the clock of life, right? to be like cuz I've postponed. things. I'll feed you. I'll be 10. minutes late. I'm 15. But to say to.

like existence, I'm going to be there. and meet existence right there. >> That's pretty ballsy. I mean, these days. it's super ballsy, but yeah. I mean, it's just I think it's a ballsy thing. for anybody to do. >> But he was like Red Bull before they. made a damn liquid. Remember? I mean, he. was. >> Hell yeah. >> People would tune in some sports, you I. remember people just in the yard just if. he was going to jump one night there. people out in the yard [ __ ] drinking. Dr. pepper and [ __ ] just massaging. each other's shoulders.

>> Pull. >> Oh yeah. >> And the thing, you know what happened? What got kind of kind of sad, but it's. just true. Towards end of his career, and I saw this with this, it happened. with his son. It a jump too is people. started first came, wow, he made the. jump. Wow. Then it became like, I'm coming for the. wreck. >> I'm coming for the crash. And I've been. to jumps where, you know, because he. always come out first, right? There's. the ramp. There we go. Got.

just bypassing. You got a little tease, right? You got to do a couple. runarounds. Get everyone going. >> Get the brawl off a little. >> And then he's getting the crowd going up. and they're all just, you know, pulling. going. Here we go. And then he does it. Boom. And soon as it lands and makes it, it's almost like I saw so many people. like, "Oh shit.". >> Yeah. >> Stomp the cigarette out, throw that Dr. Pepper in the trash can and leave. >> Yeah. Dang it. >> You know. Yeah. Um, >> good for him. But yeah, >> no, but he made a he he he he was he was. a legendary cowboy, man.

>> Let's look at one of these. This is. Caesar's Palace. >> Oh, he and he created this. He called he. was in a motel. >> Mhm. >> And called the head of Caesars. All. right. And said, "Hey, my name's uh you. know, Bobby Bernstein. I'm with ABC Wide. World of Sports. Uh, I hear this guy E. Neville's going to jump your fountain.". And they're like, "What are you talking. about? I don't E Neville. I don't know. what you're talking about." hung up the. phone, called back. Another voice. impersonated. I'm with the wide world of. sports. His name is Bob Knight. I hear.

this evil and Neville's going to He did. it like three times and finally the guy. on the other end of Caesars was like, "Who the hell is this evil Neville evil. and evil guy find him right?" And they. ended up calling back evil answers as. evil and goes, "Yeah, I'll do it." and. worked out the deal. But he created that. jump and this jump is look at the. violence afterwards. I mean, he jumps. the fountain and look at the crash, man. Here.

we go. Oh [ __ ]. >> Oh, [screaming]. can we talk impact? >> F bro, that's uh. >> There ain't no smoking mirrors with. that, man. >> There ain't no mattress that's going to. fix that, sir. >> That ain't no posture. AI that. [laughter]. you didn't fix that in post to make it. look worse. Oh, evil. >> Oh, dude. Yeah. There was just something. like there was something special about. that time where it was like uh.

>> I don't know. The moment meant so much. more, you know? There was something. there used to be something about the. past that the moment you couldn't copy, you couldn't record it. Like I think. that's why those times you talk about. some of this in your book, man. And uh. it's like about time and like God like. the moments of when I was a kid or. sitting there laughing with my friends. like the moment was so much more real. because you were never going to get it. again, >> right? And you didn't you couldn't. necessarily record it and you sure as. hell couldn't share it. There's a study. on this man and I don't know I'm going. to say it's like 20 years ago or 25. The.

moment was the biggest dopamine rush. The jump, the cresting of the mountain, the pulling off whatever you tried to. pull off. >> Yeah. scientifically measured. The. biggest dopamine hit, cameras and, you know, mobile devices. and stuff come out. It slowly turned to. the recording of the moment, the. snapshot. >> Okay? Not the cresting of the hill, but. >> we just recorded it. Ownership of the.

moment. Ownership of the moment. Right? And then what has happened now and has. been around for 25 years. The biggest. scientific dopamine hit that we get as. humans is not the doing of the deed, is. not the recording of the deed. It is. when we press share. >> Really? >> Now that's a little bit like living in. third person. Like we're all running. around going, "My rush is not when I run. for a touchdown. My rush is when I see.

myself on the jumbotron. running for the touchdown. And that's a that's a slippery slope, man. You know what I mean? >> Well, it's slippery, but it also seems. hard to even conceptualize who I am. then, you know? >> Yeah. >> Am I myself? Am I just a viewer of. myself now? >> That's it. We're much more much more. voyers now, >> right? And our identity comes from being. objective trying to look at ourself from. outside and now comes from well what did. you think of what I did and how. >> Yeah. [snorts].

>> And that's the worst. What do you think. of what I did because. >> that will be who that'll be my. definition of who I am. >> Who I am. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. We got to watch that. >> Dude, my sponsor tells me he's like. you're not who they think you are. You're not who you are. And you're not. who you think they think you are. >> Yeah. >> I think I might I don't know if I messed. it up or not. Oh, no. But I hear you're. saying. Yeah. >> Yeah. He's like, but yeah, it's just. interesting how that uh. >> especially with these kids these days, man. It's hard enough as adults. >> But I think as as adults, we we put our.

our thought process onto them. And I. think they live in a different world and. realm that we kind of can't. conceptualize cuz they don't seem as. affected as, you know what I'm saying? And it's hard to even know. >> No, I hear you. I hear you. >> But I hear what you're saying, too. It's. like. >> I'm not trying to be a dinosaur either. I want to be a dinosaur. You know what I. mean? I don't want to be one of those. ones my kids are going, "Oh, jeez.". Yeah, it sounds like, >> you know, another TED talk from back in. the but you just with part of their.

vernacular. It's a this thing's an. extension of their arm. That kind of. sharing and socializing. What do you. mean? That's like having a conversation. Yeah. And we're going I could say what I. was you and I were just talking about. because they could understand it. They. would go, >> "Okay, but that's not how it is.". >> Yeah. >> You know, >> right? It's I mean it's all kind of I. mean it's all fascinating. I mean even. we were talking about like um I just got. back from the Old Miss game and I I know. you were at. >> it was fun. >> You guys were rolling man and Lane's. doing a great job of keeping y'all.

mentally in the right spot with all this. noise about him going Florida or. elsewhere. >> Yeah, >> he big boyed it. He big boyed it. >> Look what you mean. >> Meaning he didn't go the traditional no. it's not true. Want to keep it keep the. noise out. He went we got this I got. this noise. Y'all got this noise because. we're winning. Yeah. >> This is the noise that's out there. He. talk He's talking to those young men. like an adult who's up with the times. Yeah. >> He's going, "This is part of it, man.". >> Right. >> This is part of it. And they're doing.

because we're doing good. So, let's do. as well as we can right now and keep. winning. It's a great message cuz your. players are going, they get it now. I. think these players get the portals, the. the the the the. you probably not going to be playing. with the same guys for three years. straight. Yeah. four years straight. There's you can transfer in season and. you can go here. I mean, >> yeah, there's two portals now, I think, aren't there? Aren't there two portals. during the season? Um, and I'm actually. a van I'm a Vanderbilt fan, but my but. I'm friends with Lane and uh and I grew.

up as a LSU fan, right? And and and. sometimes people are like sometimes. they'll be like, well, you're a fair. weather fan or something. I'm like, but. now like you're saying there's kind of. like it's like there's kind of like fair. weather franchises in a way. It's like. they're changing players so much and. things and that and they expect you to. lock in like uh like my dad did or like. I did when we were kids. It's like. >> you if you buy a jersey the guy's gone, you know, things change so much. So, I. think it's interesting some of the. expectations sometimes out of fans, you. know. Um. >> well, it's harder to create as an.

organization, as a team, as a school, >> uh as that that oh, this is our brand of. football. Last one to do it in the pros. was what? New England. >> No matter who came and went, it was. Bellichic way of football. It was Tom. Brady quarterback. >> Yeah. >> Robert Craft his own. There was a. certain way. Remember people would come. to studs would come to big names would. come to New England and there wasn't a. lot of press about them. And all of a. sudden next week you're like, "Oh, they. got dropped." And it wasn't a big no big. fan. It was like, "You didn't play our. way. That's you're kind of gone,

>> right? We're good if you're not our way. We our way is our way.". >> Yeah. So now when you're plugging in so. many players and we're going through. this with Austin FC, our soccer club, do. we have a brand of what they call. foosball soccer that you this is how we. play. Coaches and players can be plugged. into our system. It's harder to do. because players are moving around. You. get a we got a chance to get this stud. player. Well, if he's a running option. quarterback and we've been running. traditional offense, which is drop back, be dumb not to update the way we play.

offense. You know what I mean? or. whatever that is. But you you have Yeah. How much are the expectations for the. brand of how people play football at. certain schools? >> Yeah. >> You know, I don't know what's the brand. Who has a brand of this is how you play? >> It's a great question. In college. football, this is how we play the. expectations of how maybe the brand. maybe the maybe the cultures are similar. >> and you have this is this is an. understood whether it's aggressive. violent or or finesse or whatever.

whatever that is or we're going to have. a great defense, >> right? >> No matter what I. >> Well, Sabin had one kind of Sabin felt. like he had it. >> He did. >> I feel like Sarkeesian is a guy that is. very much he is the boss there. You. know, there's an energy there with him. that is very cut and dried. Um, you. know, but yeah, when I was growing up, it was like Pittsburgh kind of had the. defense, you know, Baltimore had a. defense. There was a toughness about. those places. Um, you had San Francisco. that was always a great passing attack. >> Yeah. I don't know. I I I guess like.

Yeah, if you have Earl Campbell back. there for Houston or you have what's the. guy for big boy out of Alabama for. Baltimore? >> Oh, uh, Dererick Henry. >> there. If you have them, you're going. Okay, we're going to be a running team. >> Yeah. >> You Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. [laughter] You know. what I mean? You ever hear that Bum. Phillips quote uh on Earl Campbell? I. don't know what Listen, y'all remember. Earl Campbell out of the Tyler Rose. >> Oh, yeah. He played uh he played for. Dallas who didn't know. >> No, Houston. >> He played for Houston. >> Yeah. The Oilers at that time. >> Oh, yeah. The Oilers ended up in.

Tennessee. That's where I live now. They. end up in Nashville. >> So, they would give Bum Phillips was the. coach and he would give Earl the ball. like 35 times a game. Yeah. And if port. started coming out going, "Man, are you. worried about the wear and tear on on. Earl giving him the ball that often?". Bum says, "No, not really. That ball. ain't that heavy?" [laughter]. >> That's awesome, dude. Well, you used to. have just so many good personalities.

Will you There's a Jim Moira talking to. reporters. Will you look it up? >> Saints Jim Mora. >> playoffs. >> This is even before that. Oh, it is. Oh, yeah, bro. Wait till you see this. He's. talking about his team. But yeah, playoffs. He was great, man. Watch this. Listen to this. This is. crazy. >> Obviously, you're not happy. >> Oh, we got our ass kicked. We got our. ass kicked. It was It was It was uh. sickening. First three, we have 18 plays on. offense. First 18 plays, we turn the.

ball over. One for a touchdown. The. other one's going to set set up a. touchdown. We can't, you know, we got. backs that can't hang on to the ball. They out hit us. They out toughed us. Yeah, we we stunk today. We're we not. even close between that football team. and our football team. Not even close. Ridiculous. We run two screens. We don't. block anybody. We get a back gets his. knee blown out on one of them. Didn't. block anybody. We stunk. Just stunk. >> Same injuries. Oh, >> I Dean told me he blew his knee out.

[laughter]. You know, you got to block people on a. screen. Shitty gets the ball out there. and two guys, big old animals nail his. ass. [ __ ] It's [laughter] ridiculous. We We run a scream before that. We get. our ass nailed. >> What about scales, coach? >> I don't know. I don't know. You know, Dean said he couldn't put any weight on. his leg. That doesn't sound too good to. me. We [laughter] We're down, you know, we're down and back. We're down in. everything. We We You know, [ __ ] We. don't have enough people right now. >> Be hard to practice next week. >> There you go. >> There's not many of them out there. I.

mean, you know, I miss my friend Mike. Leech watching that. >> Yeah. You know that guy could great, huh? >> Oh, what a what a. >> what was he at Oklahoma State? >> Texas Tech. >> Oh, Texas Tech. Cliff Kingsbury country. >> Have you heard the one amount did after. they went. there players sitting out there in the. river on a blanket? Fat little. girlfriends. Oh, bring up Mike Le's fat. little girlfriends. Listen to this. >> Telling them how great they are. [laughter].

>> This guy's classic. Ah, >> as coaches, we failed uh to make our. coaching points and our points more. compelling than their fat little. girlfriends. Now, their fat little. girlfriends have some obvious. advantages. For one thing, their fat. little girlfriends are telling them what. they want to hear, which is how great. you are and how [laughter]. easy it's going to be and how, you know, uh, you know, we have we, you know, we. had a whole bunch of people, everybody. wanted to win the football game, but. nobody wanted to play the football game.

Amen. [laughter]. >> Level of uh work ethic that exists with. regard to football. And uh as coaches, we have to solve our failure on on. reaching them. And uh the players have. to listen. And I I'm willing to go to uh. fairly amazing lengths to try to make. that happen. I don't know if I'll be. successful this week or not, but but you. know, I am going to try and there will. be some people inconvenienced. And if it. happens to be their fat little. girlfriend, too [laughter] bad. That's awesome. That's what we need.

I'll just just people to be brave enough. to have a personality these days. It's. kind of interesting, you know. Um, >> but check this out. >> Mhm. >> Because I'm I'm I'm I'm with you. That's. entertaining. It's smart. It's an inside. look. It's frank. It's open. You know, uh, people call it politically. incorrect. Whatever. Forget all that. It's it's it's in the moment. You It's. great hearing somebody be honest in the. moment with some color. Um, but I also look at people like a great.

franchise. Bill Bichc says nothing. Do. your job. Do your job. That's it. Uh, uh, um, great coach of the Spurs. >> Oh. Uh, Papovic. >> Yeah. Pop. >> Uh, cuts off interview. Like, uh-uh. Yep. No, you saw it. Thank you. Bam. So. there is something that they keep noise. out because they don't give any color.

commentation. >> Yeah. >> And is there something about that that. is a stability within a franchise. >> that your head coach is going to handle. all that color behind closed doors or. just stay on that line? Keep it super. simple. Do your job. Do your job. You. didn't [clears throat] do your job. You're out. >> Yeah. >> Got to get someone in can do your job. It it I know it's much more complicated. than that. They're running X's and O's. and everything. But this is another question and look in. college football which is why I like. college board and pro. >> so much. >> So.

our great great legendary Texas coach uh. um Daryl K. Royal told me one time he. goes Matthew you can get the maximum. potential out of your team three. Saturdays a season I believe was number. three Saturdays out of a se out of see. so at that time you had 10 so you got 12. now. So now you maybe you say you can. get four. Boy, there's an awesome. black hole there to fill for the. psychology. That's all psychology. because you hope you have you you you.

coach to have your team at peak for one. of those peak three weekends against the. best teams. >> and then you hope they're just play kind. of all right against the all right. competition and then have their worst. days against competition they should. beat anyway. They should just roll. >> But boy, if three I'm I'm still curious. I think the ad what if you got a coach. right now if you could get six. >> top peak performance Saturdays. seven I mean cuz you got I'm asking for.

three hours I'm asking for out of I'm. asking for 36 hours. >> a season for you to be mentally and. physically and spiritually on the edge. and locked in. >> and. >> there's an opportunity there is that. what I'm saying no one saw. >> and for somebody to even see that there. is an opportunity there, right? Cuz. sometimes you might just look at life. and be like, well, there's going to be. highs and lows, right? Like you can have. a great team, but yeah, you're only get. you're not going to win every single. time. So, it's like those moments where. you've had two great weeks in a row and.

like now the spread is 17, but it's like. no, you. >> that that's not the laws of life, right? So, how do you how do you adjust what's. realistically possible to weather that. storm of that third weekend where it's. just just the laws of the universe are. not going to allow it to be as perfect. >> and balance how much look sometimes. >> you need your team needs confidence. you know I remember talking to M Brown.

at practice after we this is I don't. know 20 something years ago we just come. off like I don't know 45 nothing route. to UCLA. beat him. >> No, they routed us. We were not good. >> And that Tuesday practice or that Monday. practice, it was like a completion for. two yards. A clean handoff that went for. two yards. We got to applaud that. Was like applaud. that. It was like, man, I've got the.

team's we're we're we need good clean. handoffs and a reception and a clean. pass that wasn't intercept. We have to. build the confidence back up. So. sometimes you're there. Other times you. have such talent and they're so. confident. How do you keep them playing? >> No, I'm not worried about your. confidence. I need to make sure you you. feel like an underdog against yourself, right? against your the ability that you. can play to because a great a great. teams are essentially playing against. themselves and how great they think they.

can be. >> and that opponent is nothing but in my. way. >> right. >> to me being as great as I can be and. that's if you got that working if you. can flick that switch in you howy howdy. well in your own life how because I this. is something I think about a lot I think. about confidence and ego right And I've. always had a tough time kind of I've. always had a tough time knowing what my. feelings are. Like when I was growing. up, I didn't have a lot of feelings, I. think. And so I didn't know what a lot. of them were. Yeah. >> And then as I've gotten older, it's like.

>> you didn't have feelings or when you had. feelings. You just didn't know what the. hell they were. >> I didn't know what they were. So I. couldn't tell if I was like um have like. instincts or uncertain like like what. was like uh like when it was making. decisions, I couldn't tell what was. instinctual or what was me making a. choice. just. >> I just had a like I just didn't have a. lot of feelings when I was young. And so. it was kind of like a late bloomer in. some of those worlds. >> But one of the thing I struggle with. sometimes still is just like ego and. confidence. You know, how do you know? You know what I'm saying? Because one. can be super dangerous. One is healthy.

>> Well, look, man. I think ego's gotten a. bad rap. this you know elimination of. the ego. you know there's a difference to believe. to going I. I have confidence I have confidence than. there is oh look at me. >> the difference between I and me is the. objective one right me is that jumbotron. the lawyer one where you're going like.

oh yeah how do I look I look good. there's where I get my confidence from. something I saw myself outside of. myself. Confidence with the eye which I. think is true ego when we handle it. right is I think extremely healthy. I. mean man it's like it's like uh uh. judgment. You got to have judgment or. you have no identity. And where do you. get judgment from? Well part of that I. believe is part of the ego of I am. discerning because I prefer this over. that. I expect this more than I expect. that.

>> experiences. >> you know uh for myself or from others. Um, now ego can get out of check when it. gets into the look at me. >> Yeah. >> But when it's coming from the subjective. place of like, no, I I I'm prepared for. this. This is what I'm fashioned to do. I have the ability. I'm capable and I'm. willing. I am going to go do that. And. no one's going to judge myself harder. than I'm going to judge myself because I. believe what I am capable of doing.

I mean, look, I I I've wrote about this. in Greenlight since a little bit in. poems and prayers. These man, these. roofs, these limitations we put on. oursel, we make those up. That's a cocky. ass thing to do. Who do we think we are. >> to put limitations on. >> to put these roots on our on on our on. our ability if we have that ability. Now, >> now we get into what's humility. Humility, which is a word I had trouble. with because growing up, especially in.

religion, humility, I always always kind. of cowered. My head kind of my my my. shoulders came forward, my head kind of. got down and I and I didn't know how to. have confidence with humility. How do. you have confidence and be humble? And. then I heard a new definition of. humility or being humble, admitting that. we have more to learn. Now, that. definition, all of a sudden, my. shoulders backed up. My head went high. I said, "Oh, I can dig that. I'm in. I. have more to learn because. >> that's an active humility kind of. >> Now I'm now I'm going forward. It's.

affirmative. >> I can still be graceful and still be. empathetic and listen, but I but but I'm. not and is retreating like. >> Yeah. I'm I'm not, you know, >> yes, >> I'm not I'm not I'm not [clears throat]. being passive necessarily. Um I think we. got to have a healthing and empowering. >> taking on of knowledge and admitting you. have more to learn. Yeah, >> that's yeah, >> it was a freeing if you know sometimes a. definition of a word for me like oh I. never thought of it that way now now now. I understand it sometimes it takes.

>> 40 I didn't learn that one till I was 45. >> so for 45 years hey get off your toes. you better better be humble I was like. >> I'd cow down and miss opportunities. you know and and not be the first to. speak up if I knew the answer or. something or pass the buck too often and. that's a false That's like a false. modesty. Oh, shoot. No, I'm not. >> Yeah. It's really pretending to It's. like, "Oh, let me let you see me be. modest.". >> Yeah. And it's bull It's [ __ ] It's.

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to be too crazy where you're sitting. there just thinking about yourself all. the time. It's all like it's all pretty. fascinating, man. I mean, and there's a. lot of good stuff in this book. I'm. trying to think of some of the parts. that I really liked. You write that. courage is often one more step. >> in the right direction. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And and you talk about that in marriage, faith, >> um, and character. >> Yeah. And uh and yeah, I thought that. that was pretty interesting because um.

yeah, there's times where I stall. >> Yeah, >> that's where I stall sometimes. I stall. with that like. >> I don't know what this is going to be. like. I don't know what this is going to. feel like. I already don't like the. feeling of this, right? It happens to. [clears throat] me a lot with like. commitment in relationships and stuff. It happens to me a lot and like trying. not to control the outcome. >> um. >> of of like even a moment, right? like. God, I just, you know, to have a little. bit of courage there to be like, >> well,

>> let's see what this. >> what would one step more take me deeper. into debt or am I going to or or is it. going to am I going to power through and. get to the other side of it and go, "Oh, okay. I stuck with it. Now I see it. Now. I see the light. I like this. I'm It's a. It's a It's a really interesting. measurement I think we always got to do, man. I mean, I try to measure like. there's like remember the no fear. I was. always like, "What do you mean no fear?". >> Oh, yeah. >> There's a lot of stuff I fear. There's a. lot of stuff I think we all should fear,

it's what things do we go, no, I'm but. I'm going to have the courage to go, I'm. overcoming that fear. But there's good. and there's bad fears. Meaning, like, if. I'm reading the script. and I kind of like the script, but man, I'm not sure about the director. and this financing doesn't have enough. money behind it. Can we really make this. good movie and I'm not going to be. making I'm kind of scared of that. I. think maybe okay maybe that's a healthy. fear you got there MCA because the. pedigree around it may not be as. excellent as you want it to be. There's.

other times I'll say where you script. see a character man all every I like the. director's on it man we got good. financing behind us production value is. going to be good the script's damn good. and I'm looking at this character going. I am scared shitless about. how am I going to pull this off well. okay. >> I would subscribe that maybe that's a. good fear that I need to dive in and go. well let's go find out but don't back. off of that one cuz that one and then I. see the movie two years later I'm like. oh it was great and look at that part.

that that other guy got to play and then. I'm kicking myself going you didn't have. the wavos and the will to go sit there. and go find out MCC come on man you know. what I mean so it's measuring the good. ones and the bad you say you got a bad. feeling if you already have a bad. feeling look. >> I do think this man my brother Rooster. says this he goes man if everybody only. did what they love to do that'd be a. whole lot of unemployment. >> you know what I mean I mean it it it's. it's sometimes it does suck And you got.

to do some hard things. You're like, man, I'm not I'm not this doesn't feel. right. Now, does it not feel right or do. we just not like it? >> There's a lot of things I got to do that. we got to do that we don't like to do to. get to the other side and go, well, you. know, especially as we get older, we got. things that we've invested in, family. and friends and relationships, our own. self. Those are some fires that we've. been putting logs on for a while. And it. can be hard sometimes to sit there and. keep tending those fires or keep tending. those gardens we're talking about, >> right, on our own soul. But you sit.

there and you go, I believe that if I do. the hard work now and break this sweat. and draw some blood to make this work, which sucks, >> I'm going to get to the other side. It's. a sacrifice I'm willing to take to get. to the other side and go, "Oh, [snorts]. there we go. All right. There we go. Now. I can sleep better. Now I can wake up. going, "Yep, I'm still connected to what. I was what I created in the past for. myself. I did the next right thing for. myself." And it sucked. But damn it, that's right there where I could have. backed off and retreated. I could have I. could have said, "Oh, I smell smoke. Going to be fire." Well, sometimes it's. like, "No, it's smoke. Maybe go put out.

the damn fire before it turns into one.". >> Yeah. >> That that's what I mean. >> Or let's procure this fire a little bit, make a little bit of barbecue for the. future. >> Yeah. You know what I mean? >> Yeah, I do. Well, I think also it's like. it creates lynch pins in your life like. some of those things you're saying like. um even like with family and stuff and. being willing to do that, right? and be. like, "Okay, this is a this is a project. that my wife and I, my partner and I are. going to create together." You know, were did you have fears about like that. at at certain points in your life of. like starting a family and committing to. that and doing that? Was that kind of. tough? >> So, look, the one thing I always knew I.

wanted to be was a dad, >> eight years old. >> Okay. Good, good story. So, you know, dad had introduced me to a lot of his. male friends through life and you know, it's I'm shake their hand, look them in. the eye and nice to meet you, sir. Sir, sir, sir was a big thing in our in our. family. And I remember I was eight years. old. We were in Oak Forest Country Club. parking lot. Hello, Long View, Texas. And I was met these uh these two men. They were both in black slacks, white.

shirts, and black jackets. And one of. them had shades on. And as I was shaking. their hands, I remember the sunlight was. behind me. It's kind of in my eyes. I. was like, "Nice to meet you, sir. Nice. to meet you, sir." It hit me in my. 8-year-old mind at that time that oh and. they and they were talking about their. they started talking about their own. children and it hit me in my 8-year-old. mind that oh all the people I've shaken. all that my dad's introduced me to that. I shook their hands and said sir to were. fathers and in my 8-year-old mind I went. oh. that's how you succeed in life.

>> and it you know whether I malipropped or. that was the meaning I gave it it was it. stuck with me and it was it was always. been my measurement of what successful. life would be as a man to become a. father. >> and to then help raise kids. So, I knew. I always wanted to be a father. >> Now, then you get to can you, you know, meet a woman that you're in love with. and that you know is going to be a great. mother, you know, to him. I fortunately met that.

woman in Camila. So, but but we didn't. get married right off the bat. We were, and maybe this is because my mom and dad. were married three times, divorced. twice, and her mom and dad were married. two times, and divorced three times. >> Thank God. >> So, we had a track record for reason to. go like a lot of math and jewelry. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. A whole lot. >> Yeah. >> So, we're rolling along, man, and saying it's going great, and we. don't want to get married cuz that's. just what you're supposed to do. I don't.

want to back into it because someone. goes, "Legally, it's what?" No, [ __ ] I want to want to. And I. didn't really want to. I wasn't against. it, but her and I were like, "We're. doing good." We have our first child or. let me go back to nine months before we. have a first shot. I come home and. there's cheeseburgers she's cooking on. the grill. I smell them. She pours me a. double of my favorite tequila. God, >> I sit down. She and she gives me a gift. I open it up. It's the what do you call. it? The sonogram or whatever gram that. is where you see in the in the belly. You got a baby and fetus. She's. pregnant.

>> Oh my gosh. Cry tears. We hug it out. Oh. my god. This is this is so awesome, etc., etc. Let's call my mom. Tell her. the good news. I get my phone out. Call. mom. Camila's sitting next to me. Mom, you there? We got some great news to. tell you. Got you on speaker phone. Could you hear? Tell Camila is here. Hi, Camila. Hi, Miss McConna. Hey, how are. mom? You there? You got to meet. Yeah. Yeah, I'm listening. I can't wait. Tell. me. Tell me. Tell me. Mom, Camila's pregnant. Crickets.

Oh, next thing he hears is, "No, no, no, NO, NO, MATTHEW. This is out of. order. I didn't raise you to DO IT. THIS." NO, MATTHEW, you're supposed to. be married. And went on and on and on in. a fivem minute monologue and then hung. up. I stop. I look over at Camille and she. looks at me and we're like, "Oh [ __ ]. that didn't go the way we I hoped it. would, man." [laughter]. And so, you know, let's top off that.

drink. You know what I mean? Okay. >> 10 minutes later, the phone rings. It's. my mom. >> Yeah. Hi, mom. She goes, "Hi, hi, Matthew. Uh, am I on speaker phone?" I. go, "I can put you on speaker phone.". Okay. Is Camila there? Yeah, she's. right. Hi, Miss Connie. Okay. Can y'all. both hear me? Yeah, we hear you, Mom. We. hear Miss Con. Okay. Um, I would like to put some white out over. that last [laughter]. I was being selfish thinking about. myself. If you two are happy about it, I. should be happy for you. It was not my.

place to be unhappy. D. >> So, we had two children before we got. married. But yeah, I mean, look, the big. project, you know, as far as I can tell, the one. that's non-negotiable, that's the thing. Can we find non-negotiable projects that. we go, "Nope." when I'm lost and don't. know what the hell I'm doing or I'm. looking for my northstar, what are some. things in our life that we can look at. and go, if I concentrate on that, I. can't go wrong. Sometimes that's just. it. Like I still have it now. Maybe I. don't know what new things I want to do.

And then when I'm kind of lost and. wobbly, >> I'll try to look at the things that I go. like family, like fatherhood, like the. the marriage and go, if you work on. that, McConna, you can't bogey. You may. not you may not eagle the hole, but. you're not going to bogey and you. definitely ain't going to hit one out of. bounds. You can't spend too much time on. that in your spare time. And then. that'll help you spiritually, heart and. head. And so I try to go to the. non-negotiables when I'm a little when. I'm like and then when things are going.

well, that's another thing. I love to. accomplish it, man. I love to go work. and I'm going all of a sudden I'm. hitting the road. I'm all over the. place. How do I keep my marriage and my. fatherhood out of the debit section? >> Yeah. How do I, you know, cuz I'm don't. have the the the time as much time. That's another challenge when things are. going well personally, you know, to take. care of those non-negotiables. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, I think a lot like if I. don't know what to do, I try and Yeah. Like it's always like help others, you. know, like that's the thing like that's.

probably been the thing that's been most. helpful in my life. If I don't know what. to do whenever, >> you know, um it's trying to help others. think of somebody else, call somebody. else, see what they're doing, get out of. myself. You know, heard heard. >> There's like that prayer. It's like uh. >> God, I uh. >> I offer myself to thee to build with me. and do with me as thou wilt. Relieve me. of the bondage of self and take away my. difficulties. so that um. like I don't I don't remember the end of.

our. >> relieve me of the bondage to myself. Leave me of it off it. >> Third step prayer it is. Yeah. Offer. myself to thee to build with me and do. with me as I will. release me the. bondage of self that I may better do thy. will. That's it. >> There we go. >> So, it's just like, yeah, God, my. problem is me right now. I'm just so I'm. sitting here. I'm just I'm I'm I'm. breaking myself up and putting myself. into a joint and smoking myself. You. know what I'm saying? I'm just getting. high on, you know, something here. And. it can be a low point or a high point, though. That's the thing. Sometimes I. think it's like, you know, I've thought. it's just the high just the lows. But. it's like even if I get too high on.

myself, it's like that's not good. either, you Well, it keeps our pursuit. not about the it's talking to the God. godliness within us. The more. godlikeness in us that we can be that a. lot of us are striving to be that. pursuit is such a valuable pursuit. >> you know. >> religious or not. >> to have a connection to a creator. Yeah. To not feel. >> entire. >> right. >> that you're not going to reach but. you're going. >> I mean otherwise I would feel so.

homeless if I don't want my soul to feel. homeless. You know, >> there's a lot of people that feel very. homeless. >> Well, you talk about just like your own. like times of faith and like how hard. it, you know, it's tough to um to keep. that connection going, you know, and to. work on it more. >> It takes maintenance, doesn't it? >> Yeah, it takes a lot of maintenance, man. That's probably my biggest. >> that's where my ego will get out of. control where all of a sudden. >> I start I take for granted that I didn't. just pull it all off of my own. >> and I and I start thinking I did and I.

do the math go like I mean I did and all. of a sudden it's like. >> oh here comes humble pie pretty soon. [laughter]. >> Oh yeah. I mean that's a tough thing. I. mean having a relationship with um. having a relationship with our creator. and giving ourselves like saying God you. know giving thanks getting a good. perspective for ourselves. Um have you. has there been practices that you've. used realistically over the years? I'm. sure once you have a family and stuff. like that some of that starts to maybe. get more built into you um but just. because it's there's a visual there's a.

there's an actual component that's right. there alive. But have you noticed for. yourself um uh. >> there's a having ch having kiddos. >> is in some ways. are. how we. become immortal if we're fortunate. enough for them to outlive us. >> Yeah. >> And if we're fortunate enough for them. to have kids and pass on a lineage. It's. like you first have a kid you're like I. have helped create a being that is. outside of myself but my blood and so is.

in them. Yeah. Yeah, it's a it's it's a. it's a certain way to immortality. Um, and I don't mean in the religious sense. of, oh, if you live this way, you live. forever. That could you get to the gates. and the kingdom of heaven? >> Yeah. >> But it is a mortal way of going. No, just kind of scient evolutionary wise. It's a way to become immortal. And I. find there's a great power in that and a. great freedom and responsibility that. comes with that because you're. shephering your future self through your. child or what your what your you know.

for 18 years. so to speak, generally in. the household before they go off into. the world. Um, so you're taking care of yourself, >> right? In a weird way, >> by taking yourself by taking care of. your It's our greatest children. I It's. the greatest export and it is the most. closest thing. >> piece of art in the world that we'll. ever put out. >> Yeah. >> You know, um. >> Yeah, that's pretty fascinating. >> Yeah. Um, do you and your family do you. have any traditions that really mean a.

lot to you guys that you have felt like. um have helped you establish more of a. sense like a familiar sense like a team. sense kind of? >> Yeah. I mean, my wife's better than my family ever was. on the actual rituals. I mean, my. family's like, "Everyone come over. Thanksgiving. We're going." And it's. like, "Swing by the pit and get some. food while you're doing it and we're. going to sit down." Well, not if unless. everybody want to sit down. Yeah. My my. wife's like, "No, we are I'm setting the. table, right?

>> And we're sitting down and doing this. and we're going to say prayers before. and everyone's going to go around.". That's one of the things we like to do. call it around the horn. Everybody. before we share something out loud, something you're thankful for. >> Yeah. >> Share it up. And at very least out. there, it at least makes the food taste. better. >> Yeah. >> You know, at least. But it also is a. great conversation starter because. you'll say things and a lot of people. don't like to share them out loud and. it'll start a conversation with somebody. that you didn't know. Why did you say. you're thankful for that thing? Oh, I. didn't know your grandmother just got.

out of the hospital. Oh, I didn't know. that you did good on that test last. Tuesday and you're thankful for that. And it's a great way to get a. conversation started. We do we practice. that. Um. we are uh uh. we we we we we have dinner each night. It's a small ritual, but in a busy. worlds of today, >> it's huge. >> to have that down and everyone comes in. and you hear a little bit about the day. and we kind of it's kind of like a the.

team gets together and and and I was. talking to my kids. We were talking to. kids about it the other day and I was. like, "Look, this these talk about these. bonfires. We have our family. We're. calling it a bonfire. Not a campfire. Bonfire, boys and girls. Let's go, man. We This is a non-negotiable. We got to. We created it. We're on our way. We. think we're doing all right. Let's keep. putting log wood on this fire." But you. three kiddos. You're responsible for going and. chopping wood here, too, and bringing. the log back to the fire. It's not just. me and your mama, >> right? >> That that are doing that. It takes it's.

talking about back to sports we were in. the very beginning. It's a team effort. here. >> Yeah. >> Y'all got to start adding that. >> Yeah. >> And take the and take the have the. confidence yourself that you do have a. log to add to this fire, >> right? I think encouraging like. encouraging kids to think and feel like. that. It's important, you know, cuz kids. don't know how to think and feel. I. think there's like this understanding. that people just know what feelings are. and what's happening and like what their. responsibility is as a brother or a son. And it's like a lot of that stuff has to. really be kind of instilled. I think.

>> I think you're right because I've I'm. I'm I'm I'm guilty of giving the. cliffnotes version of things to my kids. sometimes where they're like I think is. like well duh. You understand that? You. know what I mean? Like little things, man. I how what's how do you wipe your. butt? You know what I mean? What's. what's deodorant for? You know what I. mean? Little things. You're like, "Well, duh." And like no, >> if you're wiping your butt with. deodorant, it's going to burn. you know, how how would I know? You know, things. you got to let let them know. >> Um.

>> yeah, there's that extra step a lot of. times. And I think we think that kids. are just adults in a we like sometimes, you know, >> or they saw it somewhere, they picked it. up. >> that they already know. >> cuz that's the other thing. You do find. out a lot of things that they did pick. up that you didn't know they knew, >> right? And then you start to be like, oh, well, and you try to help anyone, they're like, I already know this. So, it's like it's probably a little catch, >> but there's a whole lot of things that. Yeah. they don't know. >> You know, we it's it's it's in our. frame. One of the things is. when are the kids ready for this type of.

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>> for sure. >> like let them understand it first before. seeing it for the first time and their. emotions are going all over the place. for pleasure or pain, but they don't. know what it all means, right? Or does. that happen? Well, you so I want the context coming from. their mom and dad first so they can then. see it and go, I understand that was. realistically, however realistically. that was done and how that affected me, but I understand the context. >> of what that scene I just saw or and. that's why I try to hold back certain.

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crazy, dude. He took me to yoga class, right? He goes to this yoga class. I'm. in there, right? And he I think he's he. has the heat on his phone. He's hijacked. the heat system and like this. So, he's. sitting over there. >> pumping up the heat. >> Yeah. I mean, just like. >> hot yoga. >> like Putin over there. Yeah. He's got it. way hot though. And he's [ __ ] he's. even holding a lighter in there like. adding a little bit of heat to the room. [laughter]. >> But at one point he's like wandering. around and just like saying things to. people and whispering like affirmations. Wait, is he is he in the class or is he. teaching the class? >> He's in it. He's not the teacher.

>> And the teacher has like the microphone. thing on and she's kind of pointing at. him every now and then. Um there's a. picture that we just put up yesterday. from and I don't know if you can even. see it. It might be out there somewhere. >> Can you raise it up a little bit? I can. only see his head and this seems like a. shot you got to see out. Okay, >> that's lame. But find the other photo, too, if you can, Nick. Uh but he's Dude, he comes in, he puts a peppermint in my. mouth, dude. and his his hand kind of. even touched my lips a little bit. And I. don't even I mean we're both straight. males, you know? I mean, he has a. family. I hope to have a family, but he.

just like I'm like and I'm in there. sweating and dying basically trying to. look okay, you know? >> And sorry I wear a towel like that. I. was raised by a single mom. >> Oh, this is you over on are you over on. the right? >> Yeah. Post peppermint. >> Post peppermint. Yeah. [laughter]. But I mean lane is crazy though, dude. He has these weird rituals and stuff in. there and he'll like bounce a golf ball. in. It's like people it's like dead and. he'll bounce a golf ball across the He's. just doing bizarre stuff in there.

>> Does he have a method to it? Is he doing. it for. >> It is It's this weird I can't It's like. he's um uh some sweat molair or. something, you know? I don't know what. he's doing, but it's it's just amazing. over there. Uh but he's just always. likes to be involved in causing having. an effect, right? So that's what I. noticed about him and it's interesting. and it's fascinating in the same way. >> Is he a trickster or is he a sort of uh. as you said he's just going to throw in. some color commentary on the situation.

going to give a different color. >> He's very colorful. Okay. >> And so but he's got a big heart. He like. he'll make sure that everything's taken. care of. He's on top of everything, right? But I think he likes to be very. colorful and stuff. But we had a great. time over there. Anyway, this was just. an experience that we had where he goes. to these yoga class every single day and. uh and he never misses and it was just. uh yeah, it was a great experience. I. mean, I had to lay down for a little. while and some girl was like, "Do you. need CPR?" And I'm like, "No, I don't. [ __ ] need CPR." Okay. [laughter]. >> Just taking a rest. >> I'm just taking a rest with my eyes.

closed and like you went through it, man. You You look like. >> Well, I was laying there like this for a. little while because I wasn't doing. really good. Um and uh yeah, my I did I. didn't black out, but I like light. browned out or whatever, but it was like. I'm fine. But um anyway, >> yeah, but it was just fascinating over. there, man. Just to be over there and we. got to walk through the uh like the the. walk that they do um up to the stadium. and that was pretty crazy. I mean, yeah, they're just that fan base is pretty. rabid. I didn't realize how special it. was over there in Oxford. I didn't. realize going on right now, man.

>> Yeah, they got it going on. I think. they're going to make the CFP. I'm. hoping Vanderbilt makes it in. I don't. think that they're going to. >> Well, what did y'all y'all lost two? >> We lost two. Yeah. >> To us and to. >> Alabama. >> Alabama. All right. That ain't That's. >> But they need a big win. You know, we. need a big win. >> Who do you got left? >> We still have Tennessee and we have. Kentucky next weekend and then we have. Tennessee. >> All right. You clear those two with a. two loss season. You're. >> most likely in. >> Maybe. >> Well, look like we just came we just.

have Sanford Stadium down in Georgia. got it handed to us. >> You were down there at the UJ. What's. that like over there at that? >> I never been between the hedges. It was. >> I had never heard Sanford sitting. between the hedges as being like one of. the play. Well, it's really hard. Oh, yeah, man. Was it 90,000? And those fans. are in unison, man. >> And it they had I tell you what, I I get. to measure stadiums, right, when I go to. them. Like, what's the fan base like?

>> Yeah. It's amazing. >> how happy are they that I'm there. compared to how much are they like. >> f you makana hey we're going to get it. you know what I mean and this this crowd. was loud from the beginning especially. that first half and then the second half. when they started to boat row they they. they were still really but they were one. high one of the higher decibels that. I've that I've heard but they were. continuous is the thing especially. anytime that they're uh um that we were.

on offense And but the the un because. you get crowds that are in unison, they. know the chance. >> Auburn does a good job of that. Being in. unison, they have their chance. >> It's a big thing. You can have 30,000. more people, but if you if if if the the. rituals and the cheers aren't in unison, it doesn't it doesn't it's not as. intimidating. >> at all. >> Um and yeah, they were happy I was. there, but they were also giving me. straight horns down and going, "We're. going to whip your you tonight." You. know what I mean? So, it was a good it. was a good uh it was a healthy healthy. hate they had.

>> I love that. You know what I mean? Because I've been to some. >> some visiting uh uh. >> and they get a little edgy. >> Oh, no. I got some and I won't say their. names on. I got some that dude I'm. dodging I'm dodging lugies. >> Yeah. You know, >> you're dodging those tomatoes you were. throwing at her. >> And they're like, and I was like, here we go. Okay. And. I've been to others. >> They're like, it's time TO KILL US NOW, BUDDY. >> WHATEVER. You know, and then I've been. to some where it's like they're too. happy to they're too nice to me. I'm. like, uhoh, y'all in trouble, [laughter].

>> dude. How great is it, though? Is there. anything better than being uh a college. football football fan? I don't know if. there is. >> It's great. And the SEC is one of the. best forms of tribalism in the world. >> I love hearing that. I I I think I agree. with you. I didn't know. I toured so. much I'd never gotten to have the fall. off. So, the past uh I've been in nine. games this year, I think, from at uh. different stadiums. probably five of. them were at uh at Vanderbilt Stadium. But um but it's just been amazing, dude.

Like to go to Alabama, to go to Virginia. Tech, to go uh we're going to go to Nean. in a week or two, to be at Old Miss. yesterday. Um yeah. To just see some of. it and just that like what it's about. for them in those places. Yeah. >> Well, and and you know, Athens, that's. basically just college town. And they. were just they they the fans the fans. were great and they were loud and they. were rabid. Um, but to go one of the. things I've love about being in the SEC, I can't wait to go, you know, been been. in Tuscaloosa. I've been I can't wait to.

go to Death Valley LSU on a night game. when we go there cuz I've only been. there once and they played Vanderbilt. when Vanderbilt was a doormat, not the. Vanderbilt now. >> Yeah. >> Um, and so that was a good experience, but that wasn't a great Death Valley. experience. Um, I still I can't wait to. get over to uh Tennessee. That's a. beautiful place to that I think might be. the most beautiful place to see a game. is that Needleand Stadium. I but I. haven't been to see a game at Austin. I. want to go see that. I know that uh.

Rogan and uh Tony Henchcliffe went one. time. You might have went to that same. game that they went to. >> I've been to most of them. I'm over. there on the sidelines. Yeah. >> That's so cool, man. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's I just feel lucky to first of. all even just get to be around some of. the teams to be that close to like that. energy that young. If you stay around. young people, it just keeps you young. It's like there's something that's like. um I don't know. It's just it's energy. That's how energy works. >> And I I I still have to remind myself. how young these young men are. >> Yeah. >> You know, and you know, it's like cuz.

they're so damn big. >> You know, and then you look and you go, "Oh, you're 18.". >> Yeah. >> 18. When was that? You know, got to go. back and do the math. You know what I. mean? >> Yeah. You can't even figure it out. >> Because I'm down there and I'm feeling. like I was at college UT just that was. just a few years ago. Well, a few. multiplied times a nice size number. Yeah. But it seems like it was the other. day, you know. >> I know it does, man. But that's what's. kind of nice about it, too, is the. connectivity of that that there's. something special about when you get. around certain things that it it's.

undeniable that. >> it's nice that it feels not that long. ago in a way. You know, >> and and again on the SEC, man, I was. talking to Si about this the other. night. They're the only conference that wants. to fight absolutely draw blood like. brothers on a Saturday night when you're. in the game. But after the game, we're the SEC. >> Yeah. >> And the only conference that you go to. and if you beat an SEC team beats.

another team from any that's outside of. the SEC conference. Yeah. They may chant. their their their name tag LSU or TIG, but they also chant SEC SEC. They nobody. else does that, man. >> I used to get upset with my friends that. would cheer on other SEC teams if our. team was out of it. Right. But now I get. it. Now I get it. It's like this is the. conference. That's why I'm kind of you. look I backhanded, you know, I gota when.

when U beats Alabama like they did, I. get a little Oh, there we go. When even. when&m came back from down 33 against. South Carolina, I'm like, there we go. Cuz we're the old Southwest Conference, the old Big 12, I'm rooting for them to. go like and and I also I'm a Texas fan. who wants our two biggest rivals, those. Aggies and U traditionally. I want them to be undefeated when we. play them.

>> You know what I mean? That we usually. play OU around the I don't know fifth. game of the season, fourth, fifth. I. always want U to be undefeated and I. want us to be undefeated and then I want. to beat them. >> Yeah. >> Beat them and I want&m we have we play&m. the last game of the year. >> So it's still coming up. >> It's two weeks you know from now or. saying whatever weekend is. I don't know. when this comes out but you know I want. them to be undefeated. >> Hell when we beat them is what I wanted. You know what I mean? That's that's. >> Yeah. Well, I always cheer for the. underdog, man. I I find I always cheer.

for the underdog. That's one thing I. loved about Vanderbilt this year. They've always been underdog. Pave is. great. They have so many great guys. Every guy over there has been. >> I met Pavia, he he came up and said, uh, howdy after the game in Austin. >> Oh, that's awesome. He's a great guy, man. He's underdog. He's just been the. underdog the whole time. >> I was like, man, congratulations on what. you've done. Keep doing it, man. Y'all. got it rolling. And uh yeah, and what. what Lee's done with that. Yeah, because. look, there's a lot of players on there. that a lot of these teams were talking. about didn't necessarily sniff them. >> Oh, yeah. Cuz they they would have been.

on a different team. >> Yeah. But look what they they've done. It's again, back to psychology. >> Yeah. >> That's that's a that's a mental edge and. and and the power you can get from. believing you're an underdog or that the. world saying you're an underdog fuels. you instead of right makes you cower. going, "Oh, yeah. watch this. But to. believe that. is different than to say that. Like. we've I've we've seen plenty of team.

teams that are cocky, >> right? Yeah. >> And you're like, >> not to get into the ego side of it. >> Yeah. You ain't got to, you know, oh, you just laid you laid a big hit on that. running back and there's three minutes. left in the fourth and you're 17 down. I. wouldn't be doing a dance there, P. Yeah. Did you see the scoreboard? >> You know what I mean? Or the want to the. come out is what Moore was saying. Or or. who was it Mike saying, "Well, I got. wanted to win the game, do you want to. play like win?" Do you see you you know, you want there's a certain swagger that. you're like, are you playing the part or.

do or do you believe. >> right. >> again? Are you looking at the jumbotron. and acting like what you think you. should act like or do you believe that? And is that dance you're doing coming. from. >> Yeah. >> from you? >> That's me. That's how I feel. Difference, >> dude. We had there was a funny the other. night I was somewhere and there was like. a uh I think a Titans one of the Titans. kind of brass and they had a like one of. their upper people was and uh and Pavia. was there it was some dinner thing we. were at and uh and I said oh have you. guys thought about drafting Diego you.

know and the guy goes well he's a little. small for us you know um we kind of we. like like this is one of our guys was a. player there and he pointed a guy. >> and he's like that guy's 67. Yeah. >> And I was like, that guy's one and. seven, >> right? >> I was like, Diego Pave is eight and two. right now, right? And I know it's. different. I hear you. >> But for me, it's like, if I'm a team in. a city, I would get a player that. everybody loves that played in that. college. I don't understand why pro. teams don't do that a little bit more.

>> Well, they do. The Saints have been the. best at it historically, >> drafting the local, keeping it in. Louisiana. >> So, that Super Dome is full of people. going, >> "Yeah, who drove my cut, you know.". >> Oh, that's a good point. you know, um, look, I don't know how much that really. works in the pros because it's a new. singular brand business. Um, I'm with. you. I like the sentiment of let's keep. the home cook them going, right? >> That's how I I think that's how I think, you know, I like that kind of stuff. Um, are you still teaching you were you.

teaching classes at UT? >> UT. Yeah. I I visit the I got there's a. I have a there's a professor that's in. there daily but then I swing in and you. know we'll talk going in for three hours. at a time and because what we do is we. break down films and ads that I've done. It's called from script to screen. meaning let's see the journey that this. book that turned into the first script. that turned into a shooting script that. turned into the movie. Let's see the. journey it took to get there because the. original screenplay is very different. than the final package you see. And so.

let's show these students, these serious. filmmakers about how there's many ways. to skin the cat. And so I'll go in and. we just break down, we broke down most. of my films. And then I have the. director come in and talk about certain. scenes. And it's a it's it's a badass. glass. >> Dude, I've loved I I I used to go. perform up at um. uh in Huntington, West Virginia all the. time. Were you guys Marshall Movie? Yeah. >> And that was awesome, man. And one time. the guy that survived Red uh. >> Yes. Dawson. >> He was speaking at the hotel uh that I.

was staying at in the He was speaking. >> When was this? How many years ago? More. but more or less. >> 16 years ago. >> 16. >> 12 10 something. >> So we had done we are Marshall. which is probably. >> 20 years ago. >> maybe. Yeah. >> Yes. So look I don't want to speak on on. on Red's behalf but these this story I. heard and I hope I'm getting this. correct. if I'm not, excuse me, but that. you know. that. crash in 1971 with that Thundering Herd.

team, everyone in Huntington was somehow. related to that. >> Yeah. >> All right. Whether by blood or by family. or by that was the identity of the of of. the town, the college at that time. And. a lot of people retreated. We showed up. to go tell that story. And they were. skeptical of Hollywood coming to tell. their story for good reason. >> For sure. like which version you you. know right you telling us. >> right you gonna add some elements that. are just going to make us look bad. >> you make us look like you know well our. director McGinty McGee did a really cool.

thing he let the whole town know in the. paper hey anybody can come by the set. anybody wants a script I'll give you the. script. >> and slowly people started to come around. script was good they were like okay d. and then the movie comes out and I think. there was a bit of katharsis that can. happen Meaning. I heard that, you know, Red Dawson had. been very reclusive. and that the time around the film coming. out and the story and for other reasons.

he started to come back out, watch a. game, >> maybe get a little for maybe it started. behind the fence, then it moved into a. bleacher, then it moved into talk. Anyway, you hear stories like that and. uh not that the film we did was. responsible for that, but a part of that. that you go ah what a what a cool. >> thing [clears throat] to to be a part of. in that can happen, you know. >> Well, art that's an interesting thing. about art is that something can come out. of. >> something that it's nice can come out of.

this, right? Something that still honors. it even if it didn't do the best job. Something that earnestly tried to show. up and honor this thing. Yeah. or have. some spend time with it, right? To spend. time. >> spend time spent on it. Uh well. intended, right? >> Try to tell the truth on it. >> Ah they get to then see a representation. of some of their experiences. on the proverbial jumbotron. But also. that can help us get to know ourselves. better, especially if you've been locked. up and covering that. You know what I.

mean? >> Holding those things. Yeah. It's crazy. some of the things that we hold. You. know, I got into doing like Iawaska. experiences over the past like Yeah. maybe five, six years and that's helped. like bring up a lot of old stuff that. and process it, you know? Yeah, that. stuff's been pretty good for me. >> Now, a lot of that's talking about going. back, we were talking about ego earlier. A lot of that's about get rid of the ego. in a way when that's what's what's been. your your what would you say has been. the best thing most healthy thing for. you that those journeys have done for. you? >> I would say it's helped me uh process a.

lot of old pain things that were like. kind of weights. >> Yeah. kind of things that were just like. clumped up roots of my past. >> Yeah. >> Hard mud around them. Yeah. Just help. that stuff break up. >> Okay. >> So it's easy for me to be up here a. little bit in my own soil and have an. experience to grow. >> Yeah. >> Not be locked. >> We more receptive maybe. >> Yeah. And not stuck in like a lot of. like kind of burned off a lot of like. old like low selfworth stuff. Some of. >> start to kind of disappear, you know.

Have you had any experiences like that? Not with Iawaska. Um I mean I've had you. know my own church most of my big sort. of breakthroughs spiritually have come. on singular journeys that I took by. myself to places. where they didn't know my name. >> and putting myself in those places. whether it be. in Africa or the Amazon or Peru. where everything that I relied on was.

stripped away or the year I spent in. Australia as an exchange student where. all of my conveniences of my talismans. of identity, whether it was my name or. or or my my nation or my state or my. family, they're all stripped away. And. uh and I was forced to rely on myself. and forced to kind of look up and go, I'm I'm I'm I'm listening. And you know when that when that truth.

comes on you man it's like a gentle as a. butterfly but strong as a lightning bolt. and you got some things that hit you. sometimes you go. >> remember this when you go back into the. world and all that. >> onion starts to get pre-peled again. You. start to take on all these things and. play these different parts and get these. ideas. remember this to be what you understand. now to be a nonnegotiable. truth. >> It's like a there's an Emerson line.

about the the truth that comes to us in. quiet solitude. It makes so much sense. But can we take. that amongst the masses? Can we walk. into the cathedral, the stadium with. 500 million people like and still hold. that truth to be ours and true for all. time? >> Wow. >> You know, >> yeah. I that I think that's something as. I get older. That's the thing I admire. is somebody that something the most. Somebody that can have just like a quiet. self-confidence, you know, an integrity, you know, that's that you can tell that.

uh that's kind of unshakable for them, you know. >> Um. >> Well, and it. it's it's tough, man, because the world. changes and a lot of times we change by. changing with it and adapting. A lot of. times we change by staying exactly the. same and all of a sudden we look like an. original. You're like, I'm doing the. same thing I was doing. I just didn't I. didn't I just jived when everyone else. jked, you know what I mean? Or I just. stayed the same while everyone else was. juking and jing. >> Do you ever feel like that? Like there.

was like there was a a comedy manager. one time. I was on a plane with him and. he said your audience will evolve, right? Cuz they'll grow up. But so you. have to evolve somewhat, right? But. there's a fear I think especially with. comedian stuff. Well, this worked. Yeah. >> I got to stay. I got to be that person. for you know that's what I have to be a. lot you know. >> Yeah. I mean. >> I don't know if that's like that for. actors. I guess it probably. >> Oh, no. Sure. Sure. >> You think like this movie style worked. for me. That's. >> or these choices I made. Oh, everyone. likes that when I do that. >> Yeah. >> That got me'd or that got, you know what.

I mean? I'm not Doesn't mean I'm going. to, you know, I'm not I'm not saying I'm. going to, hey, I didn't never go, well, make sure you say all right, all right, all right every scene, every movie. I'm. not saying [laughter] that. You know. what I mean? I'm saying there's certain. things. >> especially if your character's deaf or. whatever or he's like just in a coma and. at the very end he's like. >> or or just a pessimist. So don't say. [laughter]. >> yeah that would be the best he's like. such a Jack Nichols who's Jack Jack. Nicholson in that uh in that movie where. he's just that pessimist anger.

management is that it. >> and then at the end you find [laughter]. you just say it. >> here's your bumper sticker. Um, >> no, there's certain things that, you. know, you know, you get to, I think we all do. Rock band knows what their what their. encore is. You know, Bruce knows they. want to hear Born in the USA, >> right? >> How do you sing that your proverbial. fast ball? You know, Clemens knows 100. mile fast ball. Don't mean does he need. to know curves and sinkers? Yeah.

>> But that do you forgive your fast ball? No, you don't forget your fastball. Of. course not. I think you go, but how do. you do it? What I try to remind myself. is if I know I'm going with something. that's a fast ball, I go, okay, how do I. do it like it's the first time each. time? >> I've always wondered that with with uh. well, probably with comedians, you got. something, you know, man, bam, it works. How do you do how do you do it like. that's the first time? How does how's a. how's a band go out and play that song. they played 2,000 times, man? Like how. do they get off to it that night? What.

I've heard is that oh, you got a new. audience each night. So you're feeding. off of them. >> and it's their first time so you can. give it to them like it's first time. >> I never even thought about it like that. Yeah. For me it's just always tricking. myself. Um laughing sometimes laughing. seems very present. Yeah. >> And so things like that. Uh some. modalities I'll do before like ice bass. sauna those types of things to just get. your energy so like at a fun level of. being alive and existing that no matter. what you're doing seems fun. >> So I think a lot of is having fun.

>> How much of that? Let's talk about that. How much of uh doing that su being. successful is do you think is enjoying. what you're doing when you're doing it? >> Oh man. >> Like how much if you laugh at a joke and. I and I and I I I think I'm agreeing. with you here is that I've done things. where I'm like going I'm feel confident. enough in it where if if it makes me. laugh and no one else laughs, I'm going. to then think that's funny. >> Yeah. >> And that will then probably in turn be. funny. [laughter].

Well, that might just be a good acting. I mean, yeah, that's probably just a. really good way to as an actor to be. able to like have that shift like, okay, if this didn't even land the right way, then that part of it is then funny. Um, yeah, I think as a comedian, I don't if. I'm taking care of myself and I'm in a. good way, then it's going to go good. I. know. I just think it's like they just. want to see you having a good time. Especially these days, people are just. so like with podcasting and stuff,

people will get to know you so much. They just want to be in the room with. you, right? They want the material to be. good and you want it to be good. I don't. want you to just. >> You're all there wanting it to be good, >> right? >> And and I wouldn't I wouldn't show up if. I didn't think it was at least good. enough to bring to you to trade for a. fair, >> but uh but a lot of it is just people. want to spend time around each other. My. my greatest mentor, a lady named Penny. Allen who's since moved on, would always. say this, you know, and you got a crew. making a film, you got 120 people, you. got directors, producers, not everyone. agrees on everything, right? And you can. get in arguments and D. And she was.

like, just remember this, Matthew. She. goes, one thing everyone is there for. and wants is a good show. >> You know what I mean, >> right? Like that's a unified. >> different ways of getting it. But. everyone, no one's there going, "Oh, I. don't want this to be a good show." You. all, everyone wants it to be a good. show. >> Dude, in my head sometimes I'll get in. that thing like, "Oh, I know how to make. this." You know, like that's the part I. get stuck sometimes. Um, I want to talk. a few minutes more about writing and. stuff before you go. Thank you for your. time. Uh, poems and prayers, that's your. new book that's out. Um, when did you.

start writing and who kind of got you. into it? I know there's stuff in here. from when you were 18, from when you. were in high school. >> That's probably when I started writing. longer form. >> Okay. poems. And that was a year in. Australia where I was one of those times. I was lost and wobbly and looking and. and and trying to figure had had didn't. have friends to rely on, didn't have. family to rely on. So I started, >> you know, d I was losing my mind in a. good way. I was writing 16page letters. to myself. >> Dang. >> And returning them with a 17page letter.

[laughter]. >> No way, bro. What? >> Yeah, bro. Socratic dialogue. I was. going, "Hey, man. We got to entertain. ourselves. I ain't got no one else to go. to, so let's have this out. Um, and so I. >> Well, that's strange. I mean, it's it's. cool. It's str It's unique. >> It's strange. And it's And I'm glad. >> it's unique. Sorry. It was hard. No, it's that's strange. >> So, what were the letters were you. saying like. >> trying to work [ __ ] out? >> Yeah. >> I was losing my mind. I didn't know what. I didn't have a. I didn't have I didn't have a compass,

man. everything around me was was odd. and I didn't know if I agreed with it or. disagreed with it or if it was just a. cultural difference or if it was. [ __ ] or just. >> getting to know yourself. >> and I didn't I didn't know where to. stand until I got pushed to where I had. to make a stand. >> And boy, when I had to make a stand. >> Yeah. >> You know, when this host family wanted. me to call a mum and pup. >> and I went, "No, that's that. I'm I'm I'm not going to do. that. I appreciate you thinking of me.

that way, but I still have my mom and. dad. And I remember at the time, why I. said this part, I do not know, but it. was like I I thought it would ease the. blow a little bit. I remember saying. this. I was like, "No, I have a mom and. dad and they're still alive." Yeah. >> I gave him this little context like, "Oh, just in case." [laughter] Like, "What the hell does that matter?". Anyway, you know, and and to make that. stand and go, "No." And then call them. by say good night and call them by their. first names and then wake up the next. morning. My alarm clock was a screaming. woman going he won't call me mom going.

[laughter] oh [ __ ] and then going to her. and going no I won't but putting an arm. around her and going I you know. >> creating some boundaries for yourself. figuring it. >> create I had to create a boundary that's. it I was look I didn't I was trying and. so to do that is part of I think a big. part of identity um and so I started. writing I'd always I'd written since I. was probably 12 but I started writing. >> poems and jotting down prayers and. things when I was like I said lost. wobbly and looking, but also times where. things were going well and I spel felt. spiritually strong and going like what.

are some habits I got right now? What. are some ways I'm seeing the world where. the world seems to be I'm putting this. out of my soul and it's music and. they're the world's kind of throwing. back the next beat right at me and I'm. just we got a tune going. >> Yeah. >> You know, um and then I stepped in ship. Oh, that's part of the tune, right? >> You know, they laughed at my joke. Hey, that's part of the tune, too. Oh, they. were crickets. They didn't laugh. Yep. That's still part of the same song, you. know. >> It's all part of the same song. Yeah. Instead of trying to get this old this. song like just just the perfect song,

you know, just recognize it's a long. song. >> It's a long song. Yeah. And so poems and. prayers. Look, you know, I'm I'm I'm. trying to sell Sunday morning like a. Saturday night. meaning there's a lot of good stuff. whether it's you you bringing up stuff. in the Bible that has a lot of good. stuff for living. There's a lot of good. things we've learned from mentors and. other philosophers and great books and. wisdoms of the past that.

we we we're told to do. And I know this, no one really likes to be told what to. do most of the time. And we also don't. really like to get advice. I don't like. getting advice. They say, "Hell, every. director I work with, I tell them right. off the bat, I'm easy to work with. Just. don't tell me what to do.". >> Right? [laughter]. You know what I mean? Or or and then I tell them even like. that, you find a way to make me think it. was my idea. >> There you go. [laughter].

>> I even know you did it, but don't tell. me. And I'll just There you go. That's. right. You know what I mean? Um, but if. you can put it in a rhyme, if it can have a bit of a diddy to it, if you can dance to it. and it's a good word, it's more fun to. digest it. It makes the broccoli tastes. like candy. >> Yeah. >> You know, and you go like, "Oh, okay. I. can have a beer on the way to the. temple. Thank you.". >> Yeah. >> You know what I mean, >> right? >> I mean, I'd rather have a beer on the. way to the temple and be headed to the. temple than abstain. say I'm abstaining.

from having a beer but headed to the. headed the wrong direction to the. desert, >> right? Yeah. I've never liked taking. suggestions. It's always been hard for. me, I think. Well, it's tough when your. life when things go pretty good. sometimes to like want to relinquish the. wheel, you know. >> Hell yeah. But it but but at the same. time when things are going well, you're. responsible for that. Don't give up the. right to believing that you got you had.

your hands on the wheel. When we're when. we're things are going well, we should. not be so humble to believe that oh, it's all just fate. >> Yeah. >> I think God wants our hands on the. wheel. And I think God's my hunch is God's. going, I got too many people relying on. fate. >> Yeah, that's a good point. Take control. of things. when things are going there's. a give yourself the the ownership of. going. >> I did that wouldn't all me. >> other things in the world happen that.

I'll never understand for timing and. fortune and everything but give. ourselves credit when we look at the. mirror and go you're part you're you're. partially responsible for that bud here. we go [snorts]. >> yeah to yeah to build some sort of. gravity within yourself you know. >> and understanding. >> because there's pl because it doesn't. mean and understand that there's can the. other the hard part about when When. we're succeeding, I think catching green. lights, got our hand on the wheel, and. we're we're just smooth and through. traffic and life's like that. The hard. part is believing, oh, this is how it's.

going to always be. >> Oh, yeah. >> Cuz it ain't. There come you'll have. blow us blow a tire, man. Some. goofball's going to run a red light and. hit you. You're going to run out of gas. Something's going to go wrong. So, there'll be times you don't have your. hands on the wheel. You don't know where. you're going. So, knowing that those. times are coming, I think is another. reason to go, well, when my hands are on. the wheel and shit's working out, let's. look in the mirror and give myself a. little bit of wink here, boss. >> There you go. Let's turn our favorite. music up a little bit. Enjoy a little. bit. Yeah, >> drop the top.

>> Yeah. Um, you there's one he talked about. prayer, too, that I thought was pretty. cool. Trying to. >> prayer is worship. Putting our head. putting our our heart above our head. It's a beautiful sentiment, man. Um it. prayer comes from worship and which. means to literally bow down so we can. put our heart above our head. >> So it's a physical a engineered act. >> to listen to our heart. >> Compassion, kindness, forgiveness, peace.

above our head. And we live in a world. that is all we're told every head above. heart, man. Yeah. >> Make it more quantity win. However you. do it, >> head up. Look at the jumbotron. >> Right. And the humility of putting your. heart above your head literally just. physiologically is such a cool image for. what that's for. And I don't think a lot. of people I didn't know that that is. what prayer is actually engineered for. That's why you bow. You bend a knee, you bow to put your. head below your heart and your heart.

above your head so you can hear the. sacred within you. Now the sacred's. coming from the heart and soul. I'm all. for knowledge that we gain in our head. and we need knowledge to understand. reason. Yeah. But there's a lot of stuff. that we don't the math doesn't add up. and that's that's languages of the soul. and it's not supposed to add up and I. think that's part of the pursuit of God. That's what I've always I think God. loves the scientists because that's. scientists are the practical pursuit of. God. Well, there's some spiritual stuff.

that we're not supposed to be able to. make sense of. >> I agree. >> That's what faith comes from. >> Everything doesn't have a balance sheet. everything you can't figure out. everything like uh especially um. emotions you can't you can't like. there's not a lot of math on them. >> yeah n. >> like instincts all of that kind of stuff. I think like that's something I I want. to lean even more into in my life is. just like believing like there's not I. just have to know I have to know that. what this feeling I have inside of me is. real I don't need to read an article to. tell me I don't need to read this or or. know this even if somebody shows me some.

fool's gold that they believe in I have. to know that this this God created. compass inside of me has some semblance. of um of uh direction and factuality, you know, >> and it takes a lot of trust and faith to. do that. And it ain't easy. And I, you. know, one that I always give myself a. little amnesty on is from this. benedicting monk named Thomas Mariton. And he said, "God, I believe it that.

trying to please you. pleases you.". >> So sometimes when we don't know, I think. it's okay to give oursel a little pat on. the back and go, "At least I'm trying.". And I kind of trust that that pleases. God that I'm I'm giving an effort. >> Yeah. Have some grace, huh? >> Yeah. Grace. Yes, sir. >> Give ourselves some grace. Um Well, thank you, Matthew. I just appre Yeah. Thanks for taking time to even. contribute this uh to the world, help.

people think. There's a lot of neat. things to think about in here like um. just leadership, courage, little. avenues. >> I think it's something that I wrote down. here. Carve and burn was one that I. >> carve and burn the wheat from the chafe, the fat. >> from the meat. >> Yeah, man. We got to. >> in the name of that's that weed pulling. we were talking about at the top of the. show. We got to tend our own garden, man, around our soul. Make sure we're t. pulling the weeds cuz you can look down, you can go, where's that diamond? >> Yeah. Where'd it go? Oh, it's covered in. all the weeds I let grow. I know.

>> In the name of transformation, die a. little instead of completely. I really. like that. >> Yeah, >> that's really about like having that. extra beat of courage, that extra that, you know, just believing that there's. >> that the, you know, that there's. something. >> here if you just stay in this space, you. know. >> Well, transformation comes with. sacrifice. And that's part of dying a. little bit. If you're nothing but transactional. all the way through life, not. transformation, if you're only. transactional relationships, if you're.

only seeking work or things that can. only pay your your bank account. >> or things that you know that are. definitely that are that are. quantifiable, right? That you know the. outcome, right? There's not a lot of. faith in that definitiveness. >> No. And that transaction if it's purely. for transaction, if our life is purely. transactional, then I think then you die. in the end. You die all the way. You die. a lot. You're dead. [laughter]. All right. Transformational. You will. die a little. It's because you're making. a sacrifice to live forever.

>> Yeah. It's cool, man. There's a lot of. neat stuff to think about in here. Um, a. lot of prayer, too. Do you have a kind. of a prayer practice or what's that been. like in your life or what did you even. learn when you were a kid? Do you. remember the first time that you ever. prayed? >> We can finish on that conversation. >> First prayers. Um, my mom was a big baseline gratitude and. we grew up Methodist, which is, you. know, wasn't a lot of fire and. brimstone. It was more be thankful for. what you have and try and multiply that.

with yourself and others. And I remember. if we come to the breakfast table like. kind of grumpy or something, mom would. be in there cooking breakfast and she'd. grab us by the arm, walk us back down to. our bedroom and go, "You getting in bed. and you you get in bed." She goes, "No, no, back under the cover." She already. dressed. Get back under the cover. She. goes, "Don't you come to my breakfast. table where I'm cooking you breakfast. until you're ready to see the rose in. the vase instead of the dust on the damn. table." And you're like, "Oh jeez, I'm.

coming back." So you came back. Hey, good morning. There we go. Good morning, Shack. Like never happened. >> Or you, you know, we arguing about, "Man, I got this one pair of cape of. shoes and they got holes in them, man. I. need another pair of shoes." You know, you better quit bitching about having no. shoes. I'm going to introduce you to the. kid with no feet. Whoa. Geez. So she. would all she was big on baseline. gratitude. >> Yeah. >> And going before you get into, you know, being upset or pouty about anything. today, look outside this curtain. Do you. see the sun rose again? That was not a.

guarantee. >> Amen. Yeah. Before you get how you feel. about it, let's look at the facts. >> Let's look at Let's look at what gift. was given. Now, we may have a hard day. We may have something we got to work. with, but that's baseline gratitudes. that you cannot do not take for granted. and now I have a tool to work with it. with. You show up with some gratitude. It makes everything certainly makes. things smoother. Um do you think last. question do you think that and this is. back to football because uh do you think. that the the Oklahoma Texas um do you.

think those teams like being in the SEC. now? >> Yes, you do. >> Yeah. Well, I know I know Texas does and. I look I think Oklahoma does too and I. think A&M did when they got I don't. think you know there were there were. rumblings that&M didn't want us coming. over there but I think in their heart of. hearts they got they got enough hood. spot they wanted us to come there. They. wanted let's get that rivalry going. again. I know Texas wants to be there. Yeah, >> we want the greatest competition. We. want to be in the greatest conference. and we want the greatest competition and. we want to push ourselves to to compete. at that highest level.

>> Yeah, [snorts]. >> it is exciting. Yeah, I just Yeah, I. wondered that a little bit cuz, you. know, you just get so used to things. being a certain way, you know, and then. you're like and then something else. comes in and I was like, do they really. love it, you know? >> Um, so yeah, I was just curious. Um, thanks for helping me think, man. Good. to see you today, bro. >> Yep. Congratulations. thanks for sharing. so many creative uh things with us over. the years and um helping us have. thoughts and feelings like I've had a. lot of emotion to your movies and um. been inspired and and and felt things.

and and um and unfelt things, you know, >> by uh by watching your art over the. years. And so, thank you so much. Uh. thank you for Greenlights. Thank you for. this uh new book. It's out now. Poems. and prayers. Um yeah, just a lot of good. stuff to fodder to think about and and. feel about. So, thank you so much, man. >> You're welcome. Good to be here, buddy. Yes, sir. [music]. >> Corner stone.

Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll. share this [music] piece of mind I. found. I can feel it in my bones, but it's going to take.