Mark Cuban | This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von #533

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Mogul he's an entrepreneur he's launched. some of the biggest companies in the. world and uh and own the Dallas. Mavericks along the way help leading. them to great success uh he just retired. from his stent on Shark Tank and I'm. very grateful to get to spend time with. him today's guest is Mr Mark Cuban sh. that. [Music]. on I'll sit and tell you my.

stories. shout on. me and I will find a song I will. [Applause]. sing good to see you today Mark thanks. for having me Theo it's a pleasure man. thank you so much really really an honor. no the honor is mine man you've been. crushing it oh thanks yeah yeah we've.

been really fortunate we've been working. really hard over the past two years been. working really hard and uh and I think. luck has kind of met us along the way. you know I'll take luck every time man. will you oh hell yeah right has luck. come does that come up to play in your. business at your level or do you still. think there's a level of luck to it or. what do you what do you kind of so luck. is about scale right you know as an. entrepreneur I think okay I can start a. business I can make some money you know. I could I can be okay right but if you. want to have a bee next to your name you. got to have a lot of [ __ ] luck. right so in my case um I started the.

first streaming company right which. would have been cool but it happened. right at the time the Internet stock. market was blowing up if the Internet. stock market wasn't blowing up at the. same time you'd have no idea who I am Oh. you mean because of so there was a level. of luck to it oh yeah so the first. streaming company was it's called. audionet we started in 1995 when nobody. knew what streaming was right we called. it um um internet broadcasting and so we. started out a second bedroom my house. just to setup just like this and bought. myself a a PC and connected it found a.

local radio station that I could connect. everything to went online and I would go. and just say okay if you want to listen. to Dallas sports or news from anywhere. in the world come to this website. aet.com and it just blew up and then we. got a video and changed the name to. broadcast.com went public in 1998 it was. the biggest IPO in the history of the. stock market at the time oh so that's. how you started or this is a loose term. I know you've done other things but so. that's how you started to make some. money yeah now that's when I got that's. when I crushed it when you when cuz.

that's when the dotom like yeah if they. boom man it was it was it sandals.com. sold for like 20 million yeah it was. insane right it was insane and so but we. we were legit we were YouTube before. YouTube right and so we were the biggest. by far it wasn't even close and so um. you know we were the first to do. basketball football baseball you name it. first ones to stream anything right and. then went public great and then we sold. to Yahoo and then Yahoo [ __ ] it up but. that's another story oh Yahoo bought a. lot of things they [ __ ] up can we say.

that yeah you can say that yeah they. they made some poor choices I was. working at Yahoo I was working over. there doing interviews with folks and. they bought what was the website they. bought that for a crazy amount of money. it was uh blogs people did blogs on it. yeah I mean um they've boughten a bunch. right and for whatever reason they could. not get it right for anything man they I. mean they bought us they bought all. these different companies that at the. time were were huge yeah Geo cities.

that's what it was they bought that. before us Geo cities was one but there. was one that what was the blog website. that everybody used it kind of had a. basic template to it Mash uh no. um Tumblr Oh Tumblr yeah yeah yeah. Tumblr was hot then it went porn right. um did it go porn I'm glad I got out. yeah porn for a little while and then um. then this dude I know Matt bought it. right and so now he's just trying to. make it work oh trying to ref finesse it. yeah yeah because that was a crazy buy. that they had I remember we were working. and there were like you're buying a blog.

like that just felt like you're headed. to the Past kind of I don't you know and. now then they were part of Verizon then. they got bought by Apollo I don't know. what they're doing now I mean I still. use Yahoo finance right it's not not. like people don't use it they just. haven't been able to get ahead of the. game yeah they had some steak in Alibaba. too that company yeah and that's where. they made some money right I think that. that really kept them uh kind of like in. the vibe kind of of or just yeah it. obviously helped their coffers but yeah. they made some poor choices I think I. mean hell they were paying me so obvious. they were so they made one smart move.

right yeah um when were you there I was. there like maybe. 200 10 or something 200 yeah cuz I took. close 2000 so you were there like 2014. or something I was there actually who. who was the CEO when you were there do. you remember it was a female CEO oh um. oh they had just got her in actually. yeah what the [ __ ] was her name she was. cute actually sry I never got a closeup. look at her oh well yeah but I yeah I. remember I met her one time I wish I'd.

met her more than one time that's all I. remember Marissa Meer yeah oh Marissa. Meyer was great uh but they had another. lady too that was work or that work kind. of over us in the video Department um. all this Diddy stuff going on man what. do you I'm sure glad that I didn't hang. out with him right you never got in you. never were in his met him right but. never went out right um and actually. back in. 2003 um he reached out to me to the Mavs. and wanted to design a uniform for us. and I never met it we did it all via. email and so he had some of his.

designers get in touch with me and they. put together some and it was a cool. looking uniform right um we used it for. a couple years but that was the extent. of of my connection to Diddy I never. hung out or did and not and you know I. hung out enough in LA but I never really. heard stories about the parties or. anything like that that was my scene. yeah that's kind of yeah I would just. hear stuff sometimes like I would hear. certain things but it was never anything. like oh this is exactly what's going on. I mean. how do you keep that quiet for so long.

you know all those videos it's not like. people didn't like I don't care if you. take people's phones right someone's. sneaking in the phone [ __ ] like that's. happening yeah it's amazing that if they. say all the things are true that he was. able to just do that for so long you. know what what is a level like is it. scary when people get to a level of. wealth that they can kind of have. anything like what is some of that see I. don't look at it that way right I'm not. saying you do I'm just curious about it. yeah like what what are the options. right right like if you're Rich As [ __ ].

what can you do and getting away with. right um I don't hang out with people. like that right I always looked at it. that like my high school buddies are. still my high school buddies right like. the guys you know my Rugby teammates in. Indiana my Indiana buddies those are my. friends the guys I live six guys in a. three-bedroom apartment when I moved to. Dallas those are my friends right so. it's not like okay I'm getting the. Butlers I'm getting the chauffer and. look at me right and I came by myself I. don't give a [ __ ] about that yeah no you. see yeah yeah I was kind of wondering I. was like how will he show up will a stor.

drop him off you know like how's he yeah. but but that doesn't mean it hasn't. crossed my mind right it's just like I. you have to be in order to do [ __ ] like. like Diddy or anybody like that you have. to be so paranoid right you have to try. to think of every base to cover right. and you know now part of me wishes I. done because there's too many pictures. of me out drunk with my friends and [ __ ]. like that right yeah but um I just I. just don't like to live paranoid right I.

just I mean I love having a lot of money. it's a whole lot better to be rich than. it is to be broke but I was happy when I. was poor I just was happier when I was. rich and so I don't get that whole thing. of you. know like just be protective and like. play the rich game right that's just not. my my style yeah that's kind of it I. think play the rich game like but do you. like do you see people like do you ever. like cuz that's the thing like people. get so much money and then they get. power too or something some of them get. one or the other maybe both but then.

like how does that infect people do you. see that that could that that infects. some people like you ever witnessed it. yeah oh for sure right so like people. who think because they're rich they're. smarter right that um they have more. privilege right they get away with. whatever they want yeah particularly in. business right so if you talk to. somebody that may be richer than me. right who will say [ __ ] that's just. crazy right and think okay cuz I said it. that's what's up right that that's. that's it's right right or more likely. though my experience is like I'll get.

invited to these um parties right that. are really nice house and stuff right. right but there'll be. like 50 servants right five people to. answer the door six people that just. specialize in toast right just. ridiculous right and all over I'm like. how do you live like this you know. because it's bad enough like I have too. big a house um and so you have to have. people there to clean it and stuff like. that and there's no privacy just with. that and there's people that'll have. like 10 people in the house at all times.

and I I I don't see how they live right. so for some people maybe it's like. showing off to me it's just like why. would you live that way right I I'm. happy to have all this money because I. can live the way I want as opposed to. live the way somebody thinks I should. yeah and I just get the sense to your. point that some people get to that level. and it's like okay this is what I'm. supposed to do right I'm supposed to. have this type of car I'm supposed to. have this many people working for me at. the house I'm supposed to have this type. of por you know China or whatever toilet.

whatever that is right but I am going to. say one of the things I got I got a. heated toilet seat best thing ever. really you never had one mm dude I. remember when I first got a clean lady. for to come once a week I helped her. like the first. month. I you got to get a heated toilet seat. that's like if my yeah I don't want my. butt getting used to too many fancy. things I'm just telling you I'm just. telling you right that's the one huh. that oh I can almost imagine I go from. you know travel right you leave home and.

you're comfortable yeah and I went where. I'm staying now right no he a toilet. first thing I noce you sit down in the. morning and you're like. [ __ ] you're like this could be better. this could be better right I'm paying. all this for this room and my butts cold. oh dude I remember first night I stayed. in a hotel room and it was like $600 or. something and I was afraid to even go to. sleep I was like if I sleep I'm wasting. like. $240 dude oh my goodness so I just kept. staying up as much as I could it's I. still spent a little money wasted some.

of the money sleeping but it was nice. over there um yeah I just I think it's. interesting when people get to Le like. you would see it sometimes with the. Romans or something I don't you would. see it but you would hear about it with. the Romans where like they got to levels. of um wealth and power that they started. that it veers into like a lot of sexual. like I don't know if proclivities is the. word is that a word yeah like what was. it um what does that mean proc yeah no. you got it right so like Caligula right. I saw the movie Caligula.

yeah that was the movie where yeah with. all the sex and everything where. everybody was your concubine Right male. women doesn't matter right everybody was. just [ __ ] everything because they. could yeah I think that's something my. wife's not going for that. [ __ ] yeah yeah there weren't a lot yeah. there weren't a lot of once you put a. wife in there things change it's over. yeah proclivities a tendency to choose. or do something regularly a tendency to. choose or do something regularly an. inclination of predisposition towards a. particular thing so oh so it might Act. proclivities in you for something no.

like with the Romans yeah their. proclivities were to [ __ ] around and. have fun right yeah and it would turn I. think but a lot of people they do so. much like straight activity then it gets. into gay or you know what I'm saying. like the oh yeah and I don't know what. I'm saying either but I think that's. something I wonder that's just what I'm. asking I guess do you like I wonder if. that's something that happens when. people get so much money and power that. their just their ban or their what they. just wanted they've already had as much.

of like regular S I wonder if it starts. to build on what can I do next right. what can I do what can I get yes right. what can I get what else is possible. yeah like not so much with sex right. because you're going to get [ __ ] over. by somebody at some point right well can. you imagine having to keep all of the. like trying to just even even if you've. ever like sent a like I've been in a. I've cheated in relationships that's. hard enough you know just knowing like. what's next right yeah or just knowing. like I have to make sure we never go in. this area or what if this girl like that.

one thing alone I can't imagine the. level of like paranoia yeah you just I. mean is it worth it but I mean look I'm. not going to say that forget not sex. necessarily but just like going out and. trying new things right like I bought a. plane right I mean because it's like. that to me was the coolest thing after. toilet seats right to like being able to. just pop on a plane right when oh when I. sold my first company I bought a. lifetime pass on American Airlines so. literally I was 29 and I was like I had.

this card where I could just go to any. airport that had American Airlines just. show up me and somebody else and. wherever they were flying they had to. put me on a plane really it was insane. yeah so if that's like proclivities to. go try different stuff that's your. version yeah that's me right me because. look I mean I'm the luckiest. [ __ ] in the world and I don't. want to let it pass right you know I. want to take advantage of the time I got. but more now it's more family right as. I've gotten older my kids have gotten. older it's more like my kids are 15 18. and 21 and so it's like let's spend more.

time with them because that's the most. valuable thing to me but when I was. younger before I got married it was like. let's go go go go go right travel party. let's see who could throw the biggest. parties right who can buy the biggest. bottle of champagne you know just rent a. club who can run up the biggest bill. right yeah I I was doing that [ __ ] yeah. yeah but but yeah I think I think that's. what I think some people like if you get. so like some people get so powerful or. like there's a lot of gay folks out.

there I think that they're they only. Veer into that or change get into. different sexual like things that are. outside of what would be normal for them. maybe that because they get so much. power you know like the Romans did it. like you know they say that they did it. or there's people like Financial gays. power gays there's like um I haven't. heard that before Oh really no Financial. gays and power gay yeah people that get. so rich they can afford to just be gay. they want yeah or blind gay there's.

even you there's um bring that people. that are blind they don't care as much. if some if gay or straight leaves their. I some one I one guy walk up to me. sometime goes I want to suck your dick. this is years ago I no he goes look let. me just tell you something I'm like what. he goes You Close Your Eyes it all feels. the. same well let's see someone else this is. an 80s thing right yeah for sure oh dude. I'm not gay but I'll hold it in my mouth. to gay guy gets.

there that's something that you would. hear sometimes at church um but no but I. um I have friends that are blind and. they've told me that they lose their. sense of like some of their sense of. straightness dissolves because it's not. as important yeah because you can't see. one way or the other and so I think. there's a level of which is kind of. fascinating to me that there's different. things that there's people that are gay. and people that are byy and people that. um that's their that's who they are but. then there's some people that well I got. a question for you yeah I listened to. your president Trump interview yeah why.

don't you talk about this [ __ ] with him. well I don't think I think it was hard. to talk Sanders I could have yeah the. Romans were gay right oh sorry I don't. know well I was just because I I I. probably should have asked him if people. get so powerful do they then yeah just. because at that point anything's an. option you know that's all I'm saying I. think there's things that lead people. like like if you want to push limits. right pushing limits that's you think. money can buy you anything right and you.

want to push the limits and think okay I. got money that gives me power so I can. do whatever I want that's just going to. backfire so hard because if you're not. like. real the people that are you know you're. messing with right they ain't going to. be real either it's just going to be a. disaster yeah that's what I'm thinking. about with the Diddy thing I think it's. just like at a level of that you can. have anything that you get this power. it's just kind of I mean it's sad and. it's scary to see you know I think. that's some of the craziest you got to. wonder like when did it click when did.

it like fall over the cliff right when. it went from okay let's hang and have. some fun have a good party to when it. started getting weird yeah like I'm. taking videos of everybody and this and. that um yeah do you think there'll be. other people that will come out about. this or do you think a lot of that's. like myth like internet mythology I have. no idea I really don't yeah yeah um yeah. sorry it's just like something that's. been on kind of the topic of news yeah. for sure no it's an interesting subject. right yeah cuz you wonder like and I. wonder because I I mean I've met the guy. and I've seen I met him one time too but. it's just like how does it get that far.

yeah you know and and and that kind of. stuff's addictive too though once you do. one crazy thing then that becomes. especially if you're trying to up. yourself right you know cuz I mean. you've gone out drinking I've gone out. drinking with buddies right oh have. another shot right have another have. another have another and that's what. guys do right but if it goes to the. wrong direction it could backfire and. like it has and the paranoia of having. to keep every oh that would be a. nightmare man I'm I feel lucky I'm not. living that way yeah but you know to me. like The Telltale sign is he [ __ ].

hurt people right he hit women right he. dragged that one lady down the hall and. that tells you he's [ __ ] up somewhere. right I mean it's one thing to want a. party right it's another thing to like. okay I'm throwing a big party right but. it's a whole another thing to physically. abuse people that's just like yeah that. that [ __ ] yeah it's like how do you not. have your own awareness at that point. but then I think things get you know. when you get power and you get that much. ability. your own sense of self can probably get.

skewed pretty easy yeah something's. [ __ ] up obviously yeah I mean um what. are some of the side effects of being. that people don't see of being very. wealthy like are there some negative. things about it I mean sorry it's hard. to even yeah nothing that I can tell. right you look so happy it's hard for me. to even no I mean the side effects. people sue you okay you're the Deep. Pockets that's a good point man I'm. friends with um John leot Jimmy John he. had the Jimmy John swi. and he said he uh one of the reasons.

that he sold theany was because he spent. most of his timeit off lawsuits and he. wasn't even able to be like yeah you I. mean like I've been. sued five times my whole life right and. four of them were because someone's just. trying to get money. wow that's it you know and they'll like. name multiple people in the lawsuits and. they'll let the other people off the. hook right they won't let me. cuz I'm the Deep.

Pockets so that's kind of a bummer then. I bet you have to be a little bit more. cautious about things then yeah for sure. so that's one thing so one thing people. don't realize you probably have to be. extremely cautious yeah and then for. your kids right. because it's not their life right. there's just you know they they. inherited us right and I mean it's not. necessarily bad but it's not necessarily. easy either right to you know have. somebody who's you know well known as. your your dad to every have everybody. know you may not be rich yet but you're.

going to be right you know and so I know. that puts a lot of pressure on my kids. and so we have conversation yeah yeah. but at least you're able to communicate. with them about that and have them just. be um you know like I told all my kids. it's like look you [ __ ] up your friends. [ __ ] up your friends just [ __ ] up and. their parents get mad you [ __ ] up it's. on the front page of the paper because. you're my kid so you've got to be a. little bit extra careful is it hard to. be um a like you know you're a celebrity. and you know and and you may not think. of yourself in that way way or maybe you. do I don't know but no matter what if.

you're a recognizable person um is was. it ever weird with your kids where you. felt. like my kids are never going to feel. like I'm theirs because I'm so because. I'm also in a way belong to other people. yeah all the time right all the time. because there's times like my son told. me the other day I'm like okay I'll go. out and get no dad when you're there. Everything Changes I just wanted to be. normal yeah right which breaks my heart. right yeah I can imagine yeah it kind of. I understand too right I understand.

right um and it happens with all my kids. you know where it's just like there's a. time for Dad to be there and there's a. time we don't want Dad there not because. we don't want Dad there just because the. attention he's going to pull yeah yeah. so that's another side effect of some. things that people don't see um yeah I'm. just curious about it we were trying to. get this therapist who works mostly with. really wealthy people on to talk to. learn more about that because like when. I was growing up I always looked at. wealthy people like [ __ ] them you know. let's bomb him let's.

bomb we didn't have any bombs we didn't. have any bombs but you know we was let's. bomb him. okay look we were in this we had to have. a plan okay we had no oh my God we had. no strategy but we just we we did we. keep playing video games but yeah but in. the back of your mind you're you're. playing GTA but we had like yeah but you. you it almost gave you an enemy when. when when you were growing up poor it. gave you this like not an enemy but it. gave you like a uh yeah it kind of was I. relate right it's not like my family had. anything right my dad did upholstery on.

cars neither one went to college Etc but. um no I remember vividly like not. knowing how I was going to be able to. pay for school because I had to pay for. my own school and listening on the radio. this sounds so crazy listening on the. radio about how these prisoners were. going to get um all the college. education they needed right and I called. into the radio station I'm like I'm 16 I. don't have any idea how I'm gonna pay. for college and they're paying for. prisoners that's just. wrong yeah you're like so now I gotta. commit a crime yeah right to go yeah put.

me in jail right that's a whole another. conversation um what is something that. you admire about each one of your. children oh there's so much there's so. much yeah they're different too right. but as they've gotten older and you know. becoming real people now and teenagers. they're they're smart um they're caring. they're. funny um they're ambitious in their own. way to for different. things me know the hard part about. raising three teenagers is that they do.

all they can to ignore us you know oh. it's a good point huh yeah just like I. mean our family is no different than you. know any other parents raising three. teenagers basically right because those. kids want to have their own identity. they want to become themselves and find. out who they are and you know we're. trying not to be those hover parents. right that are just like and give him. some Freedom like my son I'm. like I'm like I'll go I'll no your. curfew is this you know told him a time. he goes he texts me back let me breathe. dad let.

me I'm dying right oh God yeah like he's. George Floyd or something you know no. not that bad right but just like you. know kids talk right right oh yeah let. me breathe Dad yeah yeah because I. always give him talk give him [ __ ] about. like gen Alpha like um um talking. vernacular right how they speak slide. twin like saying all you don't even know. what's going on Sigma right sauce mid.

yeah they all they sound like uh like. pton Manning trying to make like. audibles at the line right right right. right Omaha Omaha Sigma Sigma it really. is funny I'll text with my nephew and I. don't even know what he's saying at the. time dude oh it's funny as hell man I. and I'll start talking trying to talk. that way just to [ __ ] with him right and. he's like shut up Dad or he just hangs. up on me you try to lean into that um is. there anything that you had before you. um were wealthy that you wish you could. have back privacy yeah yeah for sure I.

got none yeah I mean you know now too. right yeah there's times like yesterday. I was driving somewhere and I wanted to. get out and walk it's like a cool Street. in town and I was like man I know if I. get out and walk it'll be fine but I. just know that I will meet a bunch of. people and then it's like um it'll start. to make me nervous or uncomfortable a. little cuz you don't know where it goes. yeah yeah or you're just like by so I. think yeah sometimes stuff like that. isn't a I guess that's the biggest thing. yeah cuz like I was walking in Nashville. yesterday isn't that song right um and. Walking in Memphis thank God it's yeah. yeah Nashville's better I think so too.

is good but it's it's all right. Nashville's better but I was just. walking down the street and I I'm. hearing it was dark right and I'm Cuban. Cuban I just keep on walking right it's. just like no privacy whatsoever yeah but. you know it could be worse yeah that's a. good point yeah no there's yeah I'm not. complaining I'm just curious if they're. like what like what's one of the biggest. things um let me think about where we're. at right now so we've talked about some. of how you got started list fun this is. not like any other interview I've done.

so I'm loving it no man CU you're like. all over [ __ ] all whatever's you know. stream of Consciousness which is cool. right yeah yeah and this is a. conversation too and I think I like that. about you you make this feel like a. conversation so thanks yeah why not yeah. know um how do you know like a good. business idea when you hear it now and. has that refined over the years from. what you used to think might have been a. good business I mean like when you're. just getting started sometimes what you. don't know is good right because it. doesn't hold you back so now because. I've been doing I've started so many. businesses invested in so many like I. know what not to do but that sometimes.

keeps me from investing in people who. probably have the biggest upside right. because you know when I was getting. started I didn't know [ __ ] right so it. was just like you just got to run. through walls type attitude right on. Founder mode and and now like investing. I kind of look for that but I'm I'm more. um conservative yeah in how I invest. right because you know my next dollar. isn't going to change my life and so. it's more like okay just competition can. I get it right or can I help these.

people or can I help them grow this. company like Shark Tank right it's just. like not all those companies are going. to be big but if I can help them turn. you know reach their personal goals. that's a win yeah yeah when it comes to. Shark Tank are you going to miss doing. it yeah I'll miss it some right but. again goes back to my kids like we shoot. two weeks in June two weeks in September. just finished right my last run and um. that's right when my kids are getting. out of school right and right when. they're going back to school and their. birthdays right yeah like my son's. birthday for like the last 5 years and.

like that's not cool yeah you know and. so now you know and plus now like as. teenagers um they set the schedule we. don't right used to be my wife and I be. like okay we're going here here here. when dad's done with shark tank now. they're like no like my daughter you. know is a rower she's going to rowing. Camp right my oldest daughter's going. you know on an internship right my. youngest son is going to basketball camp. right and so like they're setting the. schedule and I want to be I have to be. available I can't make them be available. oh it's a good point huh yeah because. when you're they're a little younger you.

kind of get to set the stage you control. everything right they're just little. plees right yeah yeah and now yeah now. they're the ones that really get to. choose what's going on um how would you. rank rate the Sharks out there put those. sharks in order for oh you put me in a. bad spot huh they're all tied for last. right they're all tied for last no it's. fun right um I mean all of them have. their own thing like Barbara is probably. my favorite simply because she can tell. who what a person's about like she'll. just say to somebody you're lying right. or you're dis honest I don't trust you. and she'll be right you know and she.

doesn't can't do math like Mark what's. 8times 8 and I'll have to tell her right. but she has great people skills you know. Kevin's Kevin he's kind of the bad guy. of the group Robert you know is into. pets and kids and stuff like that Lori. is in consumer products group Damon is. the people's shark right he's trying to. help you know smaller businesses grow um. and then me right and I just try to [ __ ]. with all of them and just have fun. I wore mine the other night they were.

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what I would have toen in there well. what made you decide to get into the. podcasting rule I went on D well I done. some podcasting and one day I went on. Joe Rogan's show and he and on his we. just talked more as a long talk and I. was like oh maybe I could just do it by. myself and so then I I think I always. wanted to have my own voice and so then. I just started in my kitchen and I say. that a lot but I literally took my. kitchen my dinner table just made it. where the studio was and that became the.

studio so then I have to eat in the. living room and stuff but it was still. like that's cool yeah it was cool and. then yeah I think having my own voice. like I always felt like I didn't have a. voice I think when I was a kid and so. well what so but then there's a business. to it right so oh well then the business. how did you deal yeah how did you deal. with the business side right well one. one day a guy who sold pizzas um in. Santa Monica my friend Thomas he um he. said said he he emailed me I he wasn't a. friend at the time he emailed me and he.

said hey man I want to start just a cold. email yeah I want to I want to give you. like $500 a month for advertisement and. you need to get a studio and I was like. well I want to keep that 500 bucks I. don't want a studio yeah but then he's. like no you don't see it he said if you. can do this next step and use that 500. bucks to get your studio then you're. it's going to do better and that was. something that's really been a blessing. cuz I don't my mindset was just. different you know I had more of a.

scarcity mindset and right right because. you needed the $500 right as opposed to. grow rather have it in my bank account. it as yes used it as investment and then. once we did the first studio and then. that kind of evolved from there um and. you just kept on growing it on your own. or did you bring in people to do the. sales or yeah we we had an advertising. company that that stole from us for 2. years that was horrible yeah we lost. like um I mean we probably had over two. year I don't even know it was at least.

400 Grand that got taken now it was a. but you learned a [ __ ] lesson that. way don't you yeah I learned so you know. we're similar right so here how did the. dude um Pizza dude get your email um I'm. not sure oh because we would put it we. would put a contact number in case. somebody wanted to reach out about. something from the show oh you did. because like I've done bunch of deals. from people just cold emailing me yeah. like I did I gave this company this. dude's out of um Dallas um Tim Ellis and. his buddies um they said they wanted to. start a space company I'm like I I don't. know [ __ ] about space but I'll get you. started and see what happens right now.

it's called relativity space I still. never met him right it was all email. never met him now I've invested a few. million they're worth $4 billion doll no. way yeah relativity space and they space. these guys yeah that's Tim right an ex. blue origin intern got a $500 check from. Marb to build a major SpaceX rival wow. yeah coming for you Elon yeah oh I know. so what their deal is they build the um. Rockets out of three using 3D printers. so you just no way yeah it's really cool. right and they to their credit right. it's not like I helped them get there. guys were just insanely smart and good.

right so I got lucky you know but right. like helping them have some yeah I just. got him started right like like Tim the. pizza guy did for you right or Tom the. pizza guy right yeah Thomas yeah and so. like sometimes just making yourself. available opens a lot of doors yeah. right and it's helped me a ton yeah who. were your mentors and then how do you. differentiate between listening to. mentors and trusting your instincts kind. of never had a mentor really not a. mentor guy at all I always wanted to try.

to figure out myself I've always been. like super curious like just somebody. who loves to learn and so I mean you. know when I was getting into computers I. was reading the the stupid computer. manuals right software manuals Hardware. I would sit there and read that [ __ ]. right and then I would try it and try it. and learn and learn and learn and then. once you get started you realize whether. it's business software whatever once you. get that base just it's like learning. the podcasting business right once you. get that base of the basics you're. supposed to do coming up with new [ __ ]. isn't that hard right it's just about. your creativity yeah and so I was always.

just I'm going to learn it myself learn. it myself never had a mentor in them. people are like will you be my mentor. I'm like I'm still going right I don't. have time to be someone else's Mentor. maybe that's not fair but um that's. where I'm at but not if you're still. going you know I mean right now you're. mentoring your family you've already. said that you've choosen to take that. extra time sure that that's more. important it is especially now if I can. get them to listen yeah it's crazy dude. how your own kids will have Mark CU in. the kitchen. they like let me.

breathe I be like you want me to help. you with this business idea or you know. your project at school no. no my my one of my daughter I'm not. gonna say which one just like rips on me. too you don't know anything about. business Dad I'm like okay it's crazy. that no matter who you are you're still. just dad you're just Dad which you know. the best word in the entire English. language dad right when your kids just. say hey Dad that like makes me melt does. it really my God it's the best thing. ever ever ever ever the best one of the.

best parts about having kids right just. they're yours right was your your you. you and your dad had a pretty good. relationship yeah yeah we did yeah I. mean you know it was funny because my. dad was like I don't know what the [ __ ]. you're doing but keep on doing it and I. remember the time I um told him that I. had $100,000 in the bank and he never. made more than 40 Grand in his life and. he just started crying you and just. taking him places and then tell him him. and my mom they can just go wherever. they want whenever they want and do.

whatever cool huh yeah I mean yeah made. you feel good oh yeah [ __ ] yeah right I. mean all all they did my dad up six. o'clock every morning at work at 700. a.m. come home at 6 oh [ __ ] yeah lost an. eye in an accident so like if you had. damn oneeyed worker oneeyed worker right. DN dude so already behind the eightball. right yeah like you do upholstery in. cars eyeball right yeah oh was so gross. right so he was like when the first my. Dad lost a fing dude did he really yeah. I just remember that you just remember.

yeah yeah dude it made us scared oh my. God yeah that's my dad and and is this. when he has both eyes or one eye well no. he had one eye right this is when he had. one eye he lost it when I was like 11. and you can see they're not quite the. same right and so he had a glass eye and. he used to freak out my friends he'd. take out the glass eye and it would be. like literally look like apricot jelly. behind there it was so disgusting that's. wicked bro dude that's so cool yeah my. dad yeah I don't what he was missing a. finger oh some oh somebody slammed a. door on it I guess when he was a child.

oh that's F so how'd your dad Lose It. Anyway cool no it wasn't cool at all he. um they did upholstery on car seats and. cars and he was putting a a staple gun. right where you staple down the. Upholstery and the staple broke and he. didn't have glasses on hit him in the. eye yeah it was not wow yeah yeah and it. was tough um yeah but he he's a fighter. that's wild is your father still alive. no both my parents died a few years ago. oh I'm sorry yeah was it um was it tough. to have so much control and P like you.

know you have ability to affect a lot of. things was that a tough thing to manage. like when your parents passed away for. sure sure is for anybody yeah I mean my. dad was 92 and my mom was 85 so they had. good runs right but um yeah it's still. tough right and it you know you expect. it because my dad had struggled for a. while my mom got cancer um and my mom's. so insane right like we'll get you. treatment right we'll do this we'll do. that right she goes just want some pot. gummies that's all she wanted she go she.

you know just give me the gummies all I. care about is the gummies and my brother. Jeff would have to go find gummies in. Pittsburgh right it was. hysterical come on Mom we can help you I. don't care well you can find some over. in Shenley Park sh how do you know. Pittsburgh oh dude I got pink eye over. there the first time I ever had pink eye. I got it in Pittsburgh um you get pink. eye a lot no only had it probably three. times that's a lot though but somebody. goes somebody in Pittsburgh said. whatever it this oh you got some D in.

your up D right yeah you go downtown H. hang out the side side they said you got. some D in your upt and I was like that's. pick guy dude yeah Pittsburgh accents. are the worst oh the worst and the best. dude you see like some lady like just. wearing a freaking Jerel shansky Jersey. or something just like it's just the the. best is when you see some really hot so. like I obviously don't have a Pittsburgh. accent right and you see a really really. hot girl and Pittsburgh and she'd be. like yeah you going downtown hang out in.

Southside I'm. like d where's your carart yeah oh my. God Pittsburgh Pittsburgh there's no. place like Pittsburgh I love it right. it's it's got a lot better from when I. was a kid a lot it's one of the best. places there's that movie um what's that. movie where there's a big wedding in the. beginning of it is that deer hunter no. is that yeah Deer Hunter was filmed in. Pittsburgh yeah and it's all filmed. right there Pittsburgh if it didn't and. with the the landscape it's the one of. the more beautiful cities it doesn't get. credit because the winters are pretty. harsh I think brutal brutal right but.

you go to Mount Washington and you go to. Lamont restaurant yeah and you just see. it like just you know driving through. the tunnels and you see um you see Point. Park and you see the Three Rivers it's. beautiful and they've cleaned it up a. lot since I was a kid it is really a. vibrant Town um I love it there it's a. tech town it's love my friend used to. work at Jack's Bar on the souths side. another friend of mine was a mascot over. there a mascot yeah I think he was a. Pittsburgh Pirate for that's cool that's. cool I used to work as a bartender W dve.

is that the station there no what is it. WDVE yeah that's funny as hell yeah yeah. man I I really have a I love that place. it's good people you worked where there. you said yeah I worked um at a bar. called chances are and um in Oakland and. that was my summer job when I was in. college and Oakland is the kind of the. downtown area or no Oakland is where the. University of Pittsburgh is okay Bet. yeah they're playing pretty good this. year they had a good win the other day. um you mentioned Elon a little bit ago I. know you guys have you guys have like um. I don't if it's a feud what is it you.

think it almost seems romantic a little. bit yeah I just like to [ __ ] with them. right I mean because it's like he loves. being on Twitter too oh it's his thing. right yeah I guess if I just paid 40. something billion billion you better. hang out it's like why do I go to the. Mavs games right you know um but yeah I. don't I don't dislike Elon but he says. some stupid [ __ ] and it's just like I. have no problem calling him out yeah and. he's he's thin skinned right and so so. like I'll tell you my one little Elon. story right so I got I didn't get to.

know him but I was um helped him with. something or tried to help him and so I. had his number and I texted him a couple. times like he had a kid and I'm like. congrats on your 97th kid and he text me. back Mars Mars needs kids right Mars. Needs people and I'm like that's funny. as [ __ ] right and so one day I I had a. Tesla and I said something about it and. he just sends me a text with the article. saying [ __ ] you that's it just [ __ ] you. and I I was like okay I mean it was the. truth right [ __ ] you I'm like okay so.

that's a text with the article that what. that I said something that wasn't. completely totally positive about Tesla. oh I see what you're saying okay so. that's what that's what the article was. about right so he was just like [ __ ] you. I'm like okay and then it was nothing. you know no big deal I don't care one. way or the other and then he buys. Twitter right and then he starts getting. real political right and so not a lot of. people are going to stand up to him and. I'm I'm like [ __ ] it I don't care right. so he's called me racist he's called me. you know poop emoji multiple times he. calls me all these names and so like.

that to me that just gives me license to. [ __ ] with him even more right I don't. care if he calls me names I don't give a. [ __ ] what he thinks right but it's still. fun right you know just to to hit him. with the lol's or whatever yeah because. at that point you're just kind of having. a good time and Twitter is a strange. place where you can just kind of say. whatever it kind of exists it kind of. doesn't the news. like Twitter's a it's a just such a. bizarre Place really is I wish they. would take a lot of the pornography off. of there hardcore right how they get.

away with all that [ __ ] because you only. have to be 13 to go on there right yo. you talked about some of the [ __ ] we. were talking earlier that's where the. [ __ ] just shows up in your face all the. time yeah oh yeah that that that kind of. stuff is I think yeah I wish that that. that we didn't have that um and yeah and. I think yeah and he's yeah he's always. on there but yeah I think he and he. might still be high off the fact that he. bought it you know that he owns it look. you got to give him tons of credit right. yeah SpaceX you know starling. Tesla [ __ ] dude's like the entrepreneur.

of Our Generation right there's like. nobody close you know at least in the. 2000s right and so I have total respect. for him as an entrepreneur but his skin. is so so thin how can you not [ __ ] with. him yeah right yeah I think well yeah I. mean it's I think it's I mean Twitter's. definitely a place where is it real is. it not real you know I don't know it's. always been interesting um I feel I kind. of I was happy that he bought it though. I feel like he kind of rescued it. because I feel like a lot of a lot of.

like the mainstream media and like the. social media platforms they seem all. pretty left leaning right used to be for. sure right but now like the biggest. platforms are Fox News Daily wire the. big names like name the big left leaning. um anchors or whatever who are the who. are the the most left leaning big um. celebrities in media today well I guess. youd probably have like um Don Lemon I. guess he got fired he did yeah he got.

fired from CNN he he's gone right he. ain't got [ __ ] going on oh damn um when. life gives you Don Lemon let him. go you get the point right there's no. big names but I think but CNN I think. well a lot of the mainstream media has. been notoriously kind of left leaning I. think it seems like they're. anti I mean it especially like during. the first time that Trump was running. like the only people that even the late. night host would make fun of were. basically like kind of poor whites it.

seemed like yeah for sure that was wrong. it got like if you were like. conservative or Christian I feel like. those people get the brunt of [ __ ] A lot. of times yeah I'm not going to argue. with that right but I guess my point is. in 2016 it was different right TV was. still up here right getting N9 10. million viewers a night for a TV show. was okay right and so whoever was on the. the the news then or CNN they were. getting millions of people now now the. only platforms getting a lot of viewers. are like Fox News is the biggest MSNBC.

gets some like a Rachel mat you could. say but for every Rachel MTO you know. there's Shan Hannity there's Laura. Ingraham there's you know all the all. the hosts and then you got Ben shapiros. you've got all these rightwing you know. the Tucker Carlson and so the bigger. stars now and the big bigger media. presence is on the right and so I think. what's happened on Twitter now since. Elon has pushed it to the right I think. it's kind of flip-flopped right in 2016. if you went on and and talked about.

Trump positively you would get [ __ ] on. oh you couldn't say anything if you were. even a conservative you couldn't even. ask a question you would get [ __ ] on. right very scary right so it was left. leading but now it's exact opposite. right if when I say stuff about haris. you can just look at my my ref my. mentions my replies and I'm just getting. destroyed I'm a communist you're a. [ __ ] Jew go back to hell this is this. this is that well aren't from hell. that's crazy no but that's what they no. it's all crazy look at the history you. know like you know insane the. anti-Semitism on that place maybe it's.

just pointed at me right but I know Ben. Shapiro I looked in his rep CU I'm just. curious right so point being that um I. think it's flip-flopped you do yeah and. I think now um I mean look you had. president Trump on here coming on here. saying his peace right and we would have. Camala on yeah I'm sure I I'll put in a. good word for you too yeah you know yeah. for sure yeah I think it would just be. interesting to talk to her no she's. smart she's fun she's easygoing right. laughs a lot but you know she's she's. chill um um but I think the whole thing. is just flip-flopped and I think it's.

harder on Twitter in particular it's. harder to be um in support of Harris. like I'm not a liberal right I mean. socially I probably am physically I'm. conservative and I'm an independent I. don't belong to either party I don't. give a [ __ ] about either party you know. but I'm a Harris fan because I'm not a. you know I like her policies I've had. some influence in her policies and I'm. not a trump fan at all yeah used to be. but they kind of grew out of it have you. um yeah what do you think made you grow. like that's interesting term like grew. out of it you know I would once I came.

out saying I was for him right oh you. you had come out and said said yeah I. said it was the best thing that happened. to politics because he wasn't a typical. candidate now I didn't think he had a. chance that's how I felt yeah cuz I. would have elected a [ __ ] donut in. there if it wasn't a politician exactly. right that's like one of my buddies in. Texas I'm like why are you voting for. Trump he goes Mark I've been voting for. politicians my entire life you know what. they've done for me nothing you know the. definition of insanity doing the same. thing over and over again right so I'm. like okay Dan I get that right yeah but. as I would talk to him and and it's.

funny because um in one of my memory. things that came up right just this. morning I was looking at it and it was. like he sent me a text I done a CNN. interview Donald yeah Donald sent um. well what he would do was he would write. it and then somebody would scan it and. then they'd email it to me um and so he. sent me what happened because he saw a. CNN interview where I criticized him and. and I literally I told him I'm like you. got to start learning the issues right. you can't just talk you know at some. point all these things are important and. if you're going to be president and.

you've got a chance to win then you've. got to learn this stuff and I just never. felt he made an effort to learn anything. not just that but anything right and so. whenever you try to get into a. conversation about details it never. worked now all that said even though I. don't think he'd make a good president I. don't think he was a good president. before when he did become president when. he asked me to come help on during covid. right when he asked me to help about. Healthcare I showed up yeah right. because country over party right and I. would do it again if he wins but I hope. he doesn't yeah have you donated to the.

um Harris campaign no I don't I haven't. given money to any candidate pack. anything um politics related to either. party um since 2001 and that was like I. don't even to Zoe lofin I don't remember. why I gave her money right that's when I. had broadcast.com so I I kind of make a. point not to give money so that either. you if I talk to you either you like my. ideas or you don't and it's not about me. buying you know your interest they say. first impressions are important and what.

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month that's betterhelp. hp.com Theo do you feel like whoever. gets in be be president that they. actually are do do they just spend their. time paying back lobbyists like it just. feels like we're so far away. from the days of like maybe Ronald. Reagan or I'm trying to think of. somebody else like George no uh uh. Gerald for I don't know it just seems.

like we've like we've just become this. America to me feels like this kind of. shell company right for bigger bigger. see I think there's some of I don't mean. in a negative way I still believe in. like the beliefs of our country yeah me. too but uh it just feels like the. lobbyist control so much it's like does. the president even matter anymore you. know it's a great point because some of. the issues are so complicated they can't. learn all of them right of course yeah. yeah like whatever it is right um but at.

the same time I think I think what a lot. of people are missing is. that everybody all politicians learned. from Donald Trump and how he won because. oh they did you think yeah oh for sure. right I see it in the Harris campaign I. see it in KLA Harris right you know. Donald Trump took over the Republican. party it was no longer the Republican. party right that's a great point I never. thought about that he took over right. it's like whatever he wants he didn't. want to um debate in the Republican. primary so be it right they let him not.

debate right so you know who knows what. would happen against V or Nikki Haley or. whatever it might have been oh that's. right they didn't have to debate this. year huh no they wanted to the other. ones did he just didn't participate and. so he just didn't step up and say okay. I'm going to kick your ass I'm happy to. debate anybody he said no I'm not going. to debate his choice but the point being. he controls the Republican party I think. that's what's happening with that wasn't. super Democratic probably yeah no it was. it was but it's his choice right the. Republican party is a private entity he. gets to do the way and he runs it right.

but shouldn't there but isn't there a. overall body that would say that you. guys have to have this nobody the. Republicans get to pick their candidate. the way they want to and the Democrats. get to pick their candidate the way they. want to so all this [ __ ] about well you. know Nikki h i mean Nicki um K Harris. didn't get a single vote right don't. matter right and tell you what kind of. dweeb I am right um and nerd like I. literally looked up the bylaws of the. Democratic National Convention and the. Republican National Convention and they. both say we basically in a nutshell we.

get to pick the candidates the way we. want to pick the candidates period on. the story wow so e so because kind of on. both sides it seems like the that the. that kamla and Donald have just been put. in right so neither one of them kind of. practiced like but it don't matter right. what do they care about power to your. point earlier right what's the. Democratic party want Power what's the. Republican Party want power now who's in. charge of those each of those businesses. the parties Donald's in charge and the.

thing I was saying about learning from. Donald now K is like I'm taking over the. Democratic party right I see what you're. saying right so it used to be like in. 2016 people thought well you know all. the traditional Republicans the Mitt. Romney or whoever they're really going. to run the show and Don was like [ __ ]. that right I'm doing it my own way right. and so Nikki KLA has learned all that. stuff now and she's doing it the same. way so she's not like okay this is what. Bernie wants she doesn't give a [ __ ]. with Bernie wants you know this is what. Elizabeth Warren wants she doesn't give. a [ __ ] what Elizabeth Warren wants she.

wants to know what's best for the. country and so then are people like well. why was she not this way in California. because running California being a. senator in California is a completely. different job than trying to be the. president you know just like running. real estate's a completely different job. than trying to be the president so I. think she's trying to come to Center. because and she's trying to be the exact. opposite of trump but she has captured. the Democratic party like when I talk to. them it's not like okay this is what the. Democrats want it's like okay what's.

best for the country and how do we. Implement that and how do we convey that. so she can win now some people might. argue Bernie Sanders really is pulling. strings but he ain't right just he. didn't seem like that when I spoke with. him he seemed like I didn't even know. how vested he was in her being the. candidate you know no he's not right. that's the whole point right he seemed. like you know whatever right because. she's in the center so you're saying you. believe that she's doing her own thing. she's definitely doing her own thing. like she like she says here's my core. values right I want I want taxes to be.

fair I want to you know lower taxes for. the middle class right I want to bring. people up and make sure um that they. have opportunities right I want to try. to do what I can to continue to reduce. inflation and cost um you know and I. don't want to be negative you know. whereas Donald is negative a lot right. and so you hear talking about joyous and. uplifting and all that stuff I see I see. right because that's and I agree with. this that's what's going to bring people. together you can't say I hate Taylor. Swift right and say I'm bringing people.

together you can't say all the Haitians. are bad right legal or illegal right and. throw all the legal immigrants under the. bus like he's done and she's you haven't. heard her criticize like like Hillary. Clinton [ __ ] up right because you. nailed it right she was talking [ __ ] the. deplorables and all that they're stupid. for that's not KLA at all she's like all. right we're going to bring people. together I'm going to be joyous I'm. going to be uplifting right I see that. now I understand a little bit more of. her campaign then but do you think it's. weird that she doesn't do a lot of.

interviews and stuff that she doesn't. get out there that's a great question. okay. so when she came in right and got. nominated because you kind of don't know. who she is that's like you hear you see. so then you start to just believe Clips. because it seems like you don't get a. breath so let's so now that comes down. this great question right so because I. asked the same question and here's what. they said to me they go Mark there's. probably 1% of the electric electric of. the electorate is high information who. want so electorate say what it is yeah.

so 1% of the electorate people who are. voting okay so 1% of people who are. voting are high information so people. are going to go really look in debth. like you and I might right right 99%. they don't really know her right and so. if you look when she came in she had. horrible approval ratings she had. horrible favorability ratings people. didn't know who she is and so what she's. doing she taking a page from the Trump. Playbook what did Trump do in 2016 he. did all those rallies all the time in. front of 10 15 20 that's exactly what.

she's doing right she's going everywhere. and doing rally because that's how you. get the maximum number of people without. having anybody interpret it for her like. medium I to but the the reason she keeps. on doing it it's working right she went. from having really bad favor abilities. no one knew to the exact opposite she. went from being further behind than. Biden because people didn't know to. actually potentially at least break even. if not leading in some cases. it's working so why doesn't she just. turn around and she's done some friendly.

interviews like Oprah and the national. associ black journalist and she'll. continue to do some stuff but you do. what works right yeah I guess I mean I. think yeah I mean I just wish to yeah it. feels like You' want to get to know her. a little bit better you know just to. learn a little bit more about her what. do you want to know about her a good. question I guess for me I always want to. know what somebody's really like yeah. you know and at least get like just to. try to get an idea of that and then also. you. like I think I can understand why a lot. of people vote for Trump you know.

because you know he's had a history of. being involved in a lot of shady. business right and that's why they vote. for him well because America has become. what it feels like to a regular person. it feels like I am a I am a part I am. just a peon in a bigger Shady business. it feels like that's interesting that's. really really interesting yes so so then. it feels like like yeah our water's. dirty there's our kids have are were you.

know parents are boiling their own water. now at home because they feel like that. water's not safe and it's causing kids. to have autism are are are you know. we're are drugs people have to spend all. their money on drugs like well I'm. fixing that so I'll get to that I want. get to that but like yeah one of the. largest causes of bankruptcy is medical. debt in this country there's a huge. shell game Insurance scale scam going on. hospitals insurance providers and um and.

big business it's just but just look at. that right those Shady things you. mentioned he tried to fix like I. literally went to the White House to. talk about Healthcare and the [ __ ] I'm. doing and he wanted to talk about how we. saved $35 billion on Boeing um Boeing. aircrafts right didn't we couldn't have. a conversation about it at all yeah and. and maybe that some of that stuff is. evolving with him I don't know you know. I don't but but I think my point was. that. it's gotten to the point where you. everything seems like such a shady.

business that I want somebody in there. Shady no I want somebody in there who. can do Shady. business well that is a guy who does. shady business well but that's but I. think that's how a lot of people think. like really this whole thing is [ __ ]. me so much that at least he's my. criminal let me he's my criminal if he. is a criminal a criminal he's my. criminal or but yeah because they feel. like this other thing is such a it's so. mobster that you need a mobster that's.

what I'm saying I mean that's the best. description reason I've heard of anybody. wanting to vote for Donald Trump. literally the best right because you're. right right if everything is that shady. then and he certainly I mean he's ripped. off I can't even tell you how many. people right people I know right that. he's ripped off I mean there being a lot. of alleged issues with contract no I'm. telling you about yeah I'm telling you. people I know right he like Barbara KR. she said something about this um from. Shark Tank right she he hired her or.

asked her to sell a bunch of condos in a. new building that he put up and she did. sold everything she asked he offered her. $4 million he wouldn't pay her she had. to sue him just to get her money but how. does somebody benefit by behaving like. that like as a when that's the only way. you know I mean he was born. rich right he's never had to find his. you know Damon oh yeah he's always had. good hair dude rich people always have. clean hair I remember I don't know about. that but. um good hair Mark um just call me Becky.

um yeah there you go well she likes him. as a salesperson but down in there it. talks about um how he ripped her off how. do you you know Trump University Trump. Foundation Trump Soho just example after. example where he ripped off hardworking. Americans again and again and again and. to think all of a sudden he just changed. who he is just not the case like look. what he's doing [ __ ] now right a mint. silver coin if you're okay if you're a.

billionaire right all of a sudden you. just made a billion dollar so you took. your company public you put a billion. dollars in the bank are you going to be. selling silver Medallion coins what do. they look like does does it matter I. don't know I haven't seen it you know. what I'm talking it's just oh is it like. so Oh you mean like one of those. conative coins that you see on the late. night they so commemorative everything. don't they yeah but this is most the guy. running for president right and so he's. selling commemorative coins oh that's. wild dud he's selling sneakers gangster.

bro but why if you're rich selling. sneakers right Donald also has a you. know he has a very look at this [ __ ]. those [ __ ] those things are hype as. [ __ ] dude and I wish I get a pair to be. honest just because they're pretty tough. I mean they're ridiculous but they're. tough but I think he's got a you know he. loves being Donald Trump yes he does. undeniably and I don't blame him for. that more power to him right love your. life right enjoy every minute I hope he. enjoys every minute of his life right I. got nothing against like I like the guy.

if he was here and we were just talking. [ __ ] yeah I get along great with him. right but that's different than wanting. him to be president of the United States. again right totally different and I. think you need somebody you can trust. now is KLA perfect no right do I agree. with everything she's going to do or. says no right but I think you can trust. her right and that's the difference and. if you want if I don't think we need to. keep things in gangster mode and I know. that's why she's talks to me right I. mean that sounds stupid right but like. fixing Healthcare right she's not saying.

okay this lobbyist or that lob she's. like how do we fix it right what do we. do to make it to save people money you. know that's the difference right and and. I understand completely if you think. everything's gangster the Deep State and. all this [ __ ] but like to me that's just. playing the victim you know you mean by. believe in that sort of mentality no. that when he does it right when he says. they're out you know it's a deep State. he was [ __ ] the president of the. United st's the most powerful man in the. world and what did he do to stop the. Deep State now he just stopped talking.

about it he doesn't talk about the Deep. State anymore that's supposedly the. ultimate gangster [ __ ] right yeah I mean. you know if it's gangster and [ __ ] up. the way you say and maybe it is right. maybe I just miss it it feels like it no. and I'm not saying it's not right maybe. I just don't see it right maybe I I've. got it too good and I don't see the [ __ ]. right but I mean it ain't going to get. UNG gangster it's not going to get. better if you put in a gang. right and if you put somebody who's a. gangster in Tony Soprano style that only.

worries about loyalty if you have an. idea he ain't listening he's doing it. his way where I think with her she'll. listen one interesting thing that he did. uh well I wonder how much would be. different from the first time that he. had the experience to be president to. because sometimes you do something and. you learn right the question is be does. he become more gangster or more legit. right what do you. think I I don't know it's a good.

question I I think it would that's the. thing I wish I knew a little bit more. about how he thinks and is you know and. that's the toughest thing is being a. regular voter it's so hard to get to. know how somebody but that's the exact. same thing you said about kamla right. really is you know right because when he. look again I don't hate him I really. don't hate anybody right I respect them. right I just don't agree with them and I. don't think think he'd be a good. president but when he come came on here. right I listened to the interview he.

talked pretty other than your you talk. about um his brother and what happened. there which was really cool right you. know you deserve a lot of credit he. deserves a lot of credit but I wish he. would have talked a little more about it. you know I think it's hard to get into. some of his like an emotional side with. him some yeah you know and I wish that. it was maybe a little more possible but. you know he's also an you know he's he's. a you know he's an older guy senior. citizen and it's harder yeah it's harder. for that to and I don't know him. but but but you know what I was going to. say is he didn't really get into any. details about anything other than the.

personal stuff with his brother right. you know in your stuff right yeah well I. think he wants to you know he wants I. think there's just things people want to. feel they want to feel safe right so you. want the you want different things that. are that are happening at the border. like we had a couple border patrol. agents on and they were saying that that. a lot of the problems that it's not they. used to they used to have like usual. like uh Mexican migration that comes up. to help with farming and stuff like that. and then it's just gotten out of control. and then now it's gotten really out of. control um so I think his St like him.

saying that we want to close that or. make it be like appropriate ways that. that affects people's safety no I agree. right everybody wants safety right and I. think Biden [ __ ] up no question about. it he waited too long to do anything. about it um now if you look at what's. going on now they're at the same neevel. the the um border crossings are at the. same level they were under Trump right. so they they've come way down um and she. has already said she wants to sign the. Border bill that the Republicans put out. there right um not build a wall but shut.

it down even further which I which I. think so even further than a wall yeah. further than it is now because they've. already got it down to where it was when. they built the wall as much as they got. built right it's the same numbers as. that the end of the pre-co stuff for. Trump 400,000 a day whatever it is right. and she wants to take it even further. she's not Joe Biden right so I agree. with that that it's a big deal um but he. also said he just want to deport. everybody how the [ __ ] do you do that. yeah you're just going to walk into.

somebody's house hey I know you there. might be somebody who may or may not be. illegal get the local cops and just pull. them out of their house you know what's. that going to do to cities you know I. mean you go through La yeah there's a. bunch of illegals right but they're not. all have not all their families are. illegal the hente yeah yeah and so if. your family is getting dragged out the. front door what are you doing right and. gets the National Guard or the local. cops just start dragging people out. putting them in the bus inste of them.

how do you think their Community is. going to respond well I guess it dep. yeah I think I agree it's tough It's. like how do you get into the minutia of. some of those things you got to follow. the law right but he's saying he's just. going to drag them out of their doors. right he hasn't given any real details. how he would do it and what I'm saying. is if it's let's just say he decided. it's against Jewish people yeah just. pull it out of left field I'm not saying. he is he's not going to right [ __ ]. that's happened to us before right and. in a country where there's this many. guns people are pulling out their guns. right and I'm I don't know but I'm.

thinking if if if I'm Hispanic and I. have a brother-in-law or you know. somebody my father whatever who's. illegal and they're just coming to my. front door I'm not just letting them. take him and just say thank you very. much give me another right unless you do. it the right way there's way look they. called Obama the deporter and chief he. deported more people than Trump ever did. but he followed the law to do it yeah as. long as you follow the law that's great. but when When Donald goes around saying. we're just going to [ __ ] kick him out. right I'm going to you know do whatever.

right that just sounds like more it. sounds like a boast and not like what is. the actual practice right more gangster. right but I think the fact that so many. people have been let in it's like. there's Venezuelans in Brooklyn that are. running like prostitution rings out of. parks over there you know and I don't. and and there's Americans doing the same. [ __ ] too right right it's a good point. but I'm not trying to make excuses for. him right get the [ __ ] out but. follow the law to do it tell us how. you're gonna do it right that's a good. point yeah he doesn't Donald does.

doesn't have much of a uh he's not very. finess when it comes to the emotional. comfort of how something's sound just. respect the law otherwise [ __ ] could hit. the fan in a bad way yeah but the fact. that people have come in lawlessly it. feels like Biden [ __ ] up no one's. changed no no one's saying he didn't. yeah right he let too many people in. that that could have been the Bernie. Sanders side of him right I'm not saying. you know he did the right thing yeah. yeah right but you are where you are. right so the only question is how do you. fix it right and just point you are.

where you are you are where you are the. situation is the situ when when that. company cast or whatever it was [ __ ]. you up you were where you were yeah and. you just had to deal with it yeah right. you could sue you could do whatever you. could follow the law you did what you. had to do right it's the same with this. right you are where you are and if he's. going to get people out which you should. he's not saying I'll follow the Obama. model but instead of million people. deported it's going to be 11 million. right let's hear The Practice more what.

when you have 300 million 400 million. guns in a [ __ ] country people aren't. just going to say take my brother thank. you very much. right yeah you know that's a great point. I think yeah I I I think that you have. to have more of an idea of yeah how are. things going to be done you got to tell. us how you're going to do it right you. can't just say I'm going to deport. because to your point right it gets. people mad and they want to vote because. they feel threatened right they don't. feel safe you know and I don't blame. them for not feeling for being mad and. not feeling safe that's legit right but.

how are you going to fix it right K. saying okay here's the program right. that we got from James lenford whoever. the guy from Oklahoma I think it is who. um for this Republican bill I'll sign it. right because this is a problem she. hasn't said how she's going to deal with. deportations that's something that she. should be asked I don't know the answer. I don't know where a head is on that but. I do know that if you go more gangster. on this dedicated escalate get worse you. think yeah wouldn't you I don't. know I don't know I hadn't thought about.

it like that exactly you know I had. thought about the what did the actual. practices of it you know dude hires dude. hires people illegals in Mar Lago yeah. right oh well that's an interesting. thing about our whole country is it's. like people say well we don't want. illegals here but then people hire. illegals to also do their J job right. and they're not doing like they're not. doing these jobs right they're doing you. know the shitty jobs but most of the. people that are coming over now it's. it's gotten so much more out of like. people just coming over to work and send. money back home it's gotten like most of.

the people aren't even Mexican people. that are coming over now it's all other. types which doesn't make those people. any better or any worse but it's still. like if it's like it just makes me like. I can't walk I'm scared to let my kid. walk the block to school now or just. because I don't know and and you if you. feel like these people don't have a. Social Security number then there's no. way to even prosecute them or have them. be contributing members well no that's. not true right so if even if they don't. have a Social Security number if they. break the law they'll they'll Deport. them right um or they'll throw them in.

jail whatever it may be they're not. saying because you don't have a Social. Security number you can't be prosecuted. oh I see right yeah that that's not the. way it works um yeah I mean what yeah a. lot of people the the executive branch. one of the border patrol guys said that. the executive branch they're not doing. the processing well enough so a lot of. times they get the same people over and. over again yeah they send them back they. come right back over they send them back. that's [ __ ] up right so we have. obviously we have to do better yeah and. there used to be a program where.

families got to sponsor somebody that. was coming over back in the day yeah. yeah I don't know where that is or. what's going on that would just be cool. because then you as a person that's. already that lives here or is a citizen. here you feel like you have a connection. to that you know it's like that's how my. grandparents got in the country yeah. they came over from Ukraine and all over. the [ __ ] place right it was either. either be killed where they were or get. your ass over here right I just think. we're at a tough space in this country. where it's like people are struggling. with addiction people are struggling. with home ownership we're dealing with.

you know less marriages than ever like. the family unit is broken people are. scared you know a person can't care. about their kids because they have to. [ __ ] work all day or they can but. it's just hard to manage and well how do. you think you fix that I don't know and. I think it's a lot to think that one. person could be the person that does it. and I don't even know how you as a as a. leader say you need the help from the. people because they're already stressed.

that's what leaders are supposed to do. right right that's the whole job right. that's why I turned on Trump because he. didn't pay attention to those details it. wasn't like he had a team that was like. I got this guy to do this I got this guy. to do that and even now who else at. least he I do like that he brought in. Bobby Kennedy Jr you know yeah I'm not a. big Bobby Ken no not at all yeah because. of the healthcare [ __ ] I like his stuff. on unprocessed Foods right I think. that's legit in fact one of my buddies. Todd Wagner one of my partners this. whole thing is UN you know getting rid. of unprocessed Foods he helped sign a.

law in California to get all these dies. and [ __ ] out so I'm I'm in agreement. there yeah that's one thing I love about. him and clean water just trying to clean. up the environment you know cool with. that those are the things that I love. those are the things that I only really. know that he does yeah I got no problem. with that side of him right the whole. vaccine thing I think that's he's. misguided on that but that that's that's. what makes a market right that's that's. okay people can disagree and you need. somebody to say this is you needed a. you needed so because half of America. was like this feels like we should just.

let it it's not that dangerous we should. let it figure itself out and nobody was. even allowed to say that it felt like. say what that that this feels like a. that during Co this just feels like. something that um we need to let it run. its course through people instead of. like going this in this such a like a. kind of almost felt like a communist. route of like locking everything down. yeah I mean and we have to go into that. yeah I was responsible for 20,000 people. coming into a Mavs game and if somebody.

would have died because I didn't want. them to be. vaccin none of that I would have felt. like [ __ ] for the rest of my life yeah. right so just different yeah so. everybody can have different. perspectives on vac I was prox yeah I. was proax yeah I don't know what I was. VX on it I don't know I mean I guess I. guess I was probably anti I don't know. if I was antix I just felt like like. they suddenly shut down all the AA rooms. and [ __ ] and that killed so many people. because they couldn't go get meetings. and you're like can't consume everything. yeah right like I'm gonna die because. I'm an addict and I don't least of my.

worri my brother's 17 years sober so I. went through all that [ __ ] with him. right so I yeah not having some of that. I so I just think that the way that it. was all handled felt like um look with. everything look it's easy to look back. at yeah right think you can look at. everything differently right because in. hindsight everything's 2020 right but. when you're in the middle of it and. people are [ __ ] dying it's scary. but between leadership going to. leadership mean youed nailed it you need.

leaders right and leaders may not be. able to do everything themselves. personally but you got to have people. around you that can do it and and that's. where I think Trump is [ __ ] up yeah. you don't hear a lot about who he's. going to get to help him with each thing. and a lot of it's because the people who. he used before all turned on him right. all his cabinet members 40 out of his 44. cabinet members said we ain't voting for. him right we don't think he's qualified. to do this job and you know so. Healthcare you hear Vance mention some. things but what else right deportations.

you hear Donald say he's going to do it. but how right can you name one thing. that Donald said how he's going to do it. yeah yeah I think well I think that's. another thing that even on the on the. Comm side it's like I wish there were. more some specifics about the policies. it's almost. like they could both use a tuneup in. some of that area for sure now you know. we got 45 days or whatever it is to find. out from KLA what she's going to do I'm. pushing them to get as much detail out. right um I talk to their team three four.

times a week text yeah via text right um. and I give them [ __ ] when they deserve. [ __ ] right and I'll say what I think and. they listen though right they may not. agree all the time but they'll listen. yeah and so I know like when I talk to. her team they're like okay we got to. talk to the policy director of this or. that right Healthcare we're going to. talk about you know independent phy. going up okay we have a group that. that's looking at Healthcare in general. let let us get your feedback and go like. I was talking to them the other day on.

do you sell anything on Amazon by chance. um I never I bought stuff on there yeah. but never okay so like little like shark. I found this on Shark Tank right so. little companies that make headphones. right um they get knocked off a lot a. lot right so you come up with an idea to. do something blood set Sweat and Tears. you put it on Amazon some [ __ ] in. China are like I make that [ __ ] right. I'm gonna go on there and just knock. knock it off right and sell it there and.

as a little company it's it's hard it's. not impossible but it's hard to get. Amazon to take it down particularly on a. timely basis and so they lose you know. they can lose half 75% all of their. sales to these knockoffs right and so I. said to them you know hey here's what I. learned from these companies right. Amazon isn't the good partner they used. to be for these little companies um can. we do something together can I put. something together like yeah put. something together for us because you're. right we need to do it it's not right. that China's knocking off some of our. smallest entrepreneurs even big.

entrepreneurs right and stealing their. business so it's not about tariffs it's. about okay so I propose to them can we. get these Chinese companies to register. before they're allowed to sell on Amazon. get them to put up like a 25k bond in. case they rip off people there's some. money there right for every product they. sell you're going to sell headphones. right post it up just like like a patent. you have to post your patent before it. gets approved right almost you to put. your rating in the restaurant window or. whatever yeah right same type of thing. right so post whatever it is you're. going to sell and put up five grand for.

it right again in case you violate IP. that's revenue for the country that. protects our small independent. businesses right and it protects us. against China who you know they don't. care about IP all the time right and. they were like great idea we have a. policy team to look at that stuff for us. right that's the big difference right so. we don't have all the details yet and I. think that's not as good as it should be. but hopefully we'll get all those out in. policy papers and everything and get.

some details I haven't even seen who. Trump is going to turn to for. details so you feel like with the. Democratic party that with Comm group. that there's more organization a lot. more and a lot more details paid. attention to got it right and I think. that's important maybe there's people. that Donald has put together and we just. don't see. it but you don't think there. is who do you you think's going to. um well thanks man yeah I like talking. about that stuff sometimes I get kind of.

scared to talk about it I guess because. some some things I don't know and. everybody does and nobody knows. everything nobody knows [ __ ] know a big. picture right um do you think who do you. think will win I have no idea I know. that [ __ ] crazy crazy do you think we. still have a fair election process in. this country absolutely you do yeah. absolutely that's my biggest fear is. just that we don't have one and that I. think and when you start to that one. thing it gets really weird because you. start to think that. um since other things seem kind of like.

lobbyists or involved in everything and. there's you know uh Bernie Sanders was. saying we have more lobbyists than we. have yeah um reps and Senators that I. believe right he said there's three. lobbyists for every one it's like well. then what what where's the what's the. real government it almost feels like the. lobbyist becomes real government but. then you start to just so I finish Mark. just but then you start to um you start. to think that if that all that feels so. compromised is the voting compromised. yeah I mean no as a geek and having. looked at a lot of this stuff I mean I'm.

not the ultimate geek in all this but um. yeah I'm I'm pretty confident and plus. they've been sued a thousand times all. the all the um the states that Trump. questioned were audited and had recounts. and notice he didn't question the states. he won yeah yeah that's a good point huh. right so it's not like he didn't trust. it right he just and I remember going I. got invited by Clinton to one of the. early debates in 2016 and he was talking. then about how the election wasn't going.

to be fair so one of the coolest books I. ever read was about a guy named Roy. Cohen right and I don't know if you ever. heard of the McCarthy trials in the 50s. where they were calling everybody a. communist yeah remember yeah and so um I. did a movie actually executive produced. a movie called good night and good luck. got nominated for sixth Academy Award. George Clooney with George Clooney right. it was all about that well Roy Cohen was. Donald Trump's mentor and Roy Cohen he. was the guy who was defending the people. saying you're communist you're communist. right and his his approach was deny deny.

deny deny and it's your fault it's your. fault it's your fault and they're out to. get me everything Donald is doing is Roy. con part two so you feel like that's a. lot of his motiv that's a lot of his. template yeah that's a template great. yeah that's the right word template yeah. and I think a lot of people feel like. the the it's all against them that. they'll [ __ ] throw a wrench into the. just to [ __ ] it up further right well no. just because it's like let's we'll fire. anything at you know it's like I think. there's a lot of that mentality is that.

he's not a politician so they're going. after him so it's better than having a. politician in there because the polit. because the political landscape has. gotten so I would agree look like when. Biden was running I feel differently. about KLA but when Biden was running if. you had a non- Maga Republican running I. would probably vote for them right I'm. you know I just and you nailed said. socially liberal fiscally conservative. the whole the whole gangster thing I. think that's just wrong yeah like when I.

was a little kid I used to go with my. buddy Jay and his dad was a numbers. collector you know and so we would go. yeah when he had this plus three dude. yeah right no this is I'll take number. seven right right oh with horses no no. no just literally numers so back in the. day um the mafia basically right in. Pittsburgh and everywhere they would. allow you to pick a number I don't know. out of how many you think 1 to 20 you. pick a number number and you bet right. and each number had different odds and. if your number came up you got paid it's.

more like red that was it yeah that was. more like you call it numbers right it. was like roulette but somebody came and. told you what the number was yeah they. just posted the number and that was it. right and they knew what you had bet and. if you didn't pay up wow right not that. they would hit him but they would just. my my buddy's dad used to sit there with. a little you know little souvenir. baseball bats that give a games a little. tiny one p p p it was cool as [ __ ]. sitting in his you know 1968 Buick. Riviera I thought it was ass as hell at. the time but collecting numbers dude. that's cool but the gangster [ __ ] right.

yeah once a gangster always a gangster. and when it comes time to dealing with. stuff it's self-preservation first. that's the number one rule of being a. gangster isn't it you know stay out of. jail keep your [ __ ] going that's not. putting the country first well yeah the. problem is it feels like the country. hasn't been first for a long time and so. people want a gangster so that's what I. understand I understand too right you. explained it better than anybody right. the the way you said it to me was the. only thing that I've been told okay I. get that right you know or like my buddy. said I'm tired of voting for politicians.

I get that but I don't know that's who. Donald Trump is these days yeah yeah I. mean look it's interesting and that's. why it's you know it's fun to talk about. and think about F yeah no hey just to. have a good conversation yeah no yelling. no screaming and I totally respect your. thoughts and I respect a lot of your. Insight vers vice versa 100% yeah and I. would love to be able to have her on. they reached out like last week about it. oh cool and so we've been who reached. out to you know I'm not sure I'll have. to check with my buddy Zach you know but.

um or just email me um who reached out. and I'll find out I'll put in a good. word for you yeah it' be interesting you. know just to I think cuz the toughest. thing as like a regular person who just. can go vote it's like you just even more. these days you want to try and figure. out who is this person you know you. obviously have a lot of like thoughts. and creativity you've had success do you. feel like running for office have you. thought about it [ __ ] no I thought about. it yeah I even looked into it yeah but.

it's not going to happen right all the. [ __ ] that they're going through right. like you just even mean on a human basis. yeah on a human basis like why would I. put my family through that right right. and with Cost Plus I can have an impact. right and I just think I can do more. outside than inside and I'm just not. good at you know all the formalities and. all that [ __ ] you know you're not I mean. showing up at a state dinner in jeans. and a t-shirt isn't going to work you. know I don't know I think people would. love it that would be me oh I just think. people would love that yeah um my wife. would kill me what did you ever ask her.

what she thought yeah they my family. voted no no you sat them down four to. one yeah sat him down they four no one. yes oh man did you even try to Lobby one. of them to even help you a little well. my my son got into it a little bit but. he was only like 13 at at the time so it. was. damn yeah I guess what what moments are. what what what is it the part of you. that makes you feel like you want would. want to do or could do it because I just. want to do the right thing right you.

know if there's a deep State I don't. need anything from anybody right you. can't buy me right and I try to be smart. about things I'm curious and I like to. learn um I want to listen and and be. open-minded um and I think I've got. approaches that have worked for me in. the past but also are getting results. now you know um like the Cost Plus drug. stuff I I know how to change Industries. whether it was the streaming industry. HDTV you know movies whatever it is any.

industry I've gotten into I've managed. to kind of bubble to the top yeah and. you know and I also know you know to. trust smart people to partner with. people who know [ __ ] that I don't know. how to you know how to complement my. skill sets I mean I maybe I'd be too. honest about the whole thing but I I. think I could do a good job but there's. just no way I'm putting my family. through that just just so that's why. maybe if you had an extra years in your. life you would think about it um yeah. but they're still my family right and. it's like like that's a lot yeah I mean.

with when Clinton was President the. worst he did was try to smoke dope yeah. right you know and Obama and he got that. hummer too yeah right well yeah but that. was after the fact he they was already. in right yeah but um yeah I mean and was. I mean who know look I think if you're. the president but he was married though. yeah that was why whatever it was right. yeah you know to get elected all you had. to do is say I didn't inhale right. shit's totally different now yeah shit's. way different you know you got pictures.

yeah your kids were here you were there. doing this doing that it would put your. family through brutal yeah brutal so. that's a big reason really do you think. that keeps a lot of people out of it. yeah for sure wow for sure like it is. it's a scrutiny it's that media scrutiny. that they had mean look at kamla right. she was 30 years old [ __ ] a dude. older right or young she's in her 20s. yeah Montel Jordan or something whatever. right just having fun if it was me and. you we' be like let's go party with KLA. Montel right let's go go let's go right. and now you know all the [ __ ] she goes.

through and and that's not bad right but. imagine that you know she doesn't you. know and even like her stepdaughter the. one who was a littleit you know that has. all the tattoos and [ __ ] that they were. giving [ __ ] to oh I haven't seen her. yeah only because oh wait I did see her. yeah they gave her [ __ ] because yeah. like how she looks yeah the tats and. everything and all that and whatever. right I don't remember all the details. yeah remember the Baron Trump stories. came out he has autism or he has down. whatever you're like what are you. talking about I will tell you this when. I went to the White House to visit.

Donald you know he was rambling around. when he was in in office yeah and this. like 2019 he was like d d d and we were. talking trying to talk about Healthcare. but he went off in a bunch of different. stuff he goes are you still on that show. shark whatever I'm like yeah he goes. Baron loves that show I'm like tell. Baron he goes look that's his favorite. show I'm like tell Baron thanks and then. I'm walking out he goes wait I'm like. what he goes that suit looks really good. on. you that's who he is right he's going to. give compliments like that and [ __ ] like. that. yeah um what was I going to oh let's I.

want to talk about your your the drug. company start drugs.com okay because. yeah one of the toughest things is that. people pay more um well first and you. you tell me what's the best order for. this because we talked about like the. insurance the scam that goes on between. hospitals and insurers and regular. people and then can you explain that to. me and then tell me how your drug help. help so where we fit in all that right. okay so um.

there's insur well that's the best way. to explain it. there's drugs that you take and then. there's what they call providers the. hospitals you go to right okay so the. hospitals you go to is the provider the. provider right and then there's the. payers which are the insurance companies. okay right and the insurance companies. try to do deals with the providers um. but they're not always up and up right. the provider it's not the providers it's. just the insurance companies have all. the leverage because they have the money.

right and hospitals are just trying to. get all the business that they they can. get and so there's all these games and. arbitrages that are played over and over. and over again but what I think people. don't realize is almost everybody with. Health Care like where do you get your. Healthcare or do you just self-pay or do. you have insurance I have health. insurance through do you know I'm not. sure but it costs $400 a month okay so. it's probably the ACA right the um. Obamacare right but you have a.

deductible right and what let's just say. for the shits and giggles that's $2,000. deductible um for the hospital even. though this insurance company is going. to pay anything above 2,000 you're. responsible for that $2,000 right and. the hospital like is already not going. to get paid on 50% of the deductibles. and so that's why you get a lot of this. B debt the insurance companies don't pay. for the whole thing and they plan. everything so they don't have to pay for. the whole thing and that creates a lot.

of medical debt and so there's medical. debt that the hospitals owe that no that. that um the individuals with the. deductibles say right because they can't. afford to pay their deductible right and. so you know you have some disease and. you can't afford your deductible which. is 2,000 it doesn't matter that it. covers above 2,000 right because you. can't pay the first 2000 right so that. puts that puts people in a lot of [ __ ]. up situations and even hospitals the. providers in bad situations because a.

big part of their revenue isn't getting. paid right and here's the insurance. company not giving a [ __ ] right they're. just saying that's your problem not mine. right right I'll pay you what I think I. owe you maybe right and so all that the. insurance companies put pressure on the. hospitals the providers the doctors and. the doctors then put pressure on the. patients that's where it's all [ __ ] up. right and so what we're pushing for with. the Harris campaign and in general is a.

lot of that happens because there's no. transparency nobody knows what the. contract is with between the insurance. company and the hospitals nobody knows. what the contract is between the. insurance company and your employer and. so as a result the biggest companies. have the most leverage and can [ __ ] with. everybody yeah and that's where things. go bad so what I'm saying is if you make. every um insurance contract and provider. contract public then all of a sudden. people can understand just power to the. patience are you familiar with them yeah. yeah yeah there's a group out there.

called power of theti that lobbies to. for um price that you have to know how. much an MRI cost when you go to get it. right so that that way if the hospital. says the MRI cost $700 and the one down. the Street's going to have to say it. cost $650 and they're going to have to. start right and they're going to have to. start to compete and there's an. executive order that says they have to. do that and that was a good thing that. Trump did but but it wasn't enforced by. the Biden Administration well cuz the. penalty is only like $1,000 a day ah so. they'd rather pay the penalty right.

right and so like I I I funded a study. that had people call the hospitals to. see if they can get those cash prices. yeah right and a lot of them didn't even. know a third of them didn't even know. what the cash prices were right wow so. they're not being instructed it's not. yeah they just don't know right because. that's not they don't care that's not a. big part of their business right they. want to get all the money from the. insurance companies so anyways circling. around to what we do right so I got a. cold email just like Thomas the pizza. guy I got a cold email from a guy named. Dr Alex lmy and he said that there are a.

lot of generic drugs that were in short. supply and kids can't get their medicine. and this and that and I'm like well what. can we do about that and he's like well. I want to do this thing called a. compounding pharmacy where we can make. those drugs right and so um he's like so. you wanted to start a compounding. pharmacy you guys can make those those. drugs that are in short supply I'm like. that's cool but it's not thinking big. enough so I'm like let me look at the. far ceutical industry and the drug. industry and see why so many people. can't afford them and what's going on so. I looked at it and it was really obvious.

really fast that there's no transparency. right because nobody you know just like. you don't know when you go in you know. for your MRI like doctor says Theo you. need this medication you have no clue. what the price is going to be the next. question always what pharmacy are you. using right they're not saying can you. afford it or anything right so we. decided to create this company called. cost plusus drugs.com and and if you go. to cost plusus drugs.com and put in the. name of a medication we don't have them. all we have about 2500 we'll show you. our cost our actual cost that we.

actually pay for it and then we mark it. up 15% and then there's $5 shipping and. handling to send it to and then $5 for. our Pharmacy or if you pick it up. locally it's $12 so the pharmacist makes. money and because of that because that. transparency and only markting up 15%. our prices are dramatically lower and. when the insurance companies are trying. to rip people off like there's a drug. called a mat nib and if you don't come. to us or some of the better pharmacies.

um smaller pharmacies you might get. charged $22,000 a month for us might be. $21 a month I had a buddy who takes his. drug droxidopa and um I didn't know what. the [ __ ] it was right A friend of ours. emailed me and said Landon can't get. this because dropa yeah I don't know. what it is sounds like a drug right. sounds like a free safety. for um and so he was like he can't you. know he lost his insurance and they're. goingon to charge him $10,000 every. three months I'm like that's crazy crazy. so I'm like let me see what we can get.

it for and go ahead and go to cplus. drugs.com and put in. droxidopa and $64 for the three months. and yeah you don't need to show that. part yeah. go yeah so go to see all. medications and then droxidopa. now it's $14 put some nickered on there. dude just sell the lights out of it DRS. open so now it's $14 so you guys because.

you're able to make the drugs yourself. no we because we're able to buy them in. volume and because we only mark them up. 15% well why doesn't our own government. do that to help us well they're starting. to now but see the problem was we. publish our prices and we put out our. price list before we came along nobody. else did so you're creating the fact. that other people are now going to have. to do that right so now people see our. prices and they're like people are just. going to cplus drugs.com right and the. doctors are like [ __ ] DRS to doea $14. instead this other place wanted 3,000.

plus a month we're going to cost plus. drugs are all of your drugs cheaper I'd. say 99% of them are yeah every now and. then there's one where we're not cheaper. but every time we get as our volumes go. up and our prices go down we pass it on. so literally we've lowered our prices on. every weekday since last August I guess. it's been over a year now we've lowered. our prices we've had some drug that has. come in that we've been able to lower. the price on wow so anybody out there. you your mom your dad your aunt your. uncle your grandparents right whatever. drug you take if you're paying you know.

more than 15 bucks out of pocket go to. cost plusus drugs.com put in the name of. it and see if we're cheaper I mean. literally it's crushing it right that's. all it does that's all it takes to check. it out just to go there and do it you. just you just do it right so like if you. have a deductible we might be cheaper. than your deductible and it's cheaper to. pay cash with us now can people run into. problem say if they're not supposed to. get certain drugs is it easier to get. those drugs through you guys no no no. you still have to have a prescription. assets or whatever we don't do any. control substances at all okay yeah huh.

wow man but how does our government how. does the government allow you to be able. to do that well they can't stop me right. because it's just free market stuff. there's they like it I'm glad that it's. happening no they like it right so now. I'm talking to the Harris campaign and. I'm saying look if we just do this. transparency you guys can buy the same. way we do right and so there was a thing. from the FTC who went after all these. things called these Farm benefit. managers and just threw them under the. bus and suit them but they used our. prices right now there's research in the. lawsuit yeah yeah there's research from.

like Vanderbilt in Harvard saying if the. government if Medicare bought at our. prices they would save billions of. dollars a year right I mean literally. immediately if some there's people out. there that are struggling with their. prices um what they pay they switch to. us they're going to save a [ __ ] ton of. money and they can just do that but it's. their own choice they don't need their. doctor's approval to they need to get a. prescription to send so let's still need. a prescription you still need to but the. doctor doesn't determine where they just. usually say what's your local pharmacy. CU practice right and so you just say.

you know send it to cplus drugs.com so. in the system that the doctors use to um. create the prescription it lists us. there and they just click on it and it's. easy wow yeah no it's insane it's insane. like literally we only started June I. mean January 19th of 2022 so we've only. been around a little bit more than two. and a half years and we're just changing. everything is it publicly traded or no. no no no it's private funded the whole. thing damn now cuz I don't want to have. to worry about making people money right. cuz we're losing money now not that much.

actually now um but it's more important. for me to [ __ ] things up right and. change oh so you like the fact that. you're changing the industry [ __ ] yeah I. love that no no because to me that's. always the most fun right so you got all. I mean the healthc care industry right. if you know what's the one thing you. want to go down in history for I [ __ ]. up the healthcare industry right I made. it so people could afford their their. health care their medication and so and. you know that's what we're doing with. far itical and medications we're also. working on Cost Plus Wellness which will. deal with and kind of push out those. insurance companies because most people.

like get their health care through their. employer and most employers particularly. the big ones self-insure meaning they. pay for all the cost out of pocket and. they don't realize how the employers the. CEOs of those companies don't realize. how badly they're getting ripped off and. so we're in out there working on new. programs now so that those employers. will figure it out we're starting with. my companies and then we'll extend it. out to. compies yeah just crazy that I feel like. it just needs overhauls of things you. know and it's not that hard this is like.

this is the easiest industry I've ever. disrupted because all we had to do is. publish our price list right because. everybody else was hiding everything. right you talked before about [ __ ]. happening behind the scenes yeah CU you. go into the doctor you you go into the. hospital you sign something that says. I'm going to pay whatever you you charge. me and then you assume they're going to. charge you the amount that the fairest. amount cuz they are they're a [ __ ]. Hospital they're supposed to take care. of of you you would think so right and. then they don't they charge because they. want whatever they can but why do they. do that because they're getting [ __ ].

by the insurance companies got it right. and they know that if you um complain. about the price they'll reduce it right. so but then you have to you're already. sick now you have to spend the next 17. weeks of your life right dealing with. that [ __ ] right arguing with someone. who's been trained how to argue against. you exactly exactly right and that's. another country most of the time. actually some of it's here a lot of. building is here but then you no if. you're calling it yeah and it's over. there yeah for sure but then they feel. hor then the the person arguing against. you the person the employee feels.

horrible because they know that they're. they're [ __ ] you over they're [ __ ]. you over but they're just trying to make. their money to go the hospital side of. it right the hospital has to have way. too many employees to deal with the. insurance company and the insurance. company says okay we know this is what. we're supposed to owe from when Theo. took his kid in there right but we're. not going to pay you the full amount if. you don't like that Sue us and then they. sue them so now they have to have a. shitload of doctors right so what we're. saying is we're going to the place and. saying we're going to do a contract. we're going to do just cash right so. there's no [ __ ] around with the. insurance companies and we're going to. publish all the contracts so that.

everybody can compare notes and figure. out the best way to do it yeah well that. was I mean there was an executive order. that said that they have to do that but. it's not being enforced well they do a. little bit but like like we said. earlier they not at a level where it's. helping where people are like they. should have a commercial the government. should buy a commercial every week that. runs a hundred times that says right now. you have to for Trump Administration. announced historic price transparency. requirements to increase competition and. lower healthare cost so they said I. think for a hundred of the most this.

something not good that Trump did no. it's good no I'm not saying Trump did. everything bad right but this is one of. the good things he did um but yeah this. is one of the things I think the back. then it was a 100 um of the top Services. now it's 500 I think um and it's growing. it's growing that has to do it right but. how do we enforce it that it's not being. enforced well so it's not so much. enforcing that right right because if. they put up shitty prices it doesn't. matter if you show prices that are too. expensive for everybody you know it. doesn't matter and so you want to be.

able to have the whole the the whole. contract published so that everybody. who's responsible for paying not only. sees that price but how it got to that. price and then people can create. software and apps and this and that that. can truly help you because most people. do have some kind of insurance right. like only 11% of people don't um or they. have high deductible plans and if you. have a high deductible plan you don't. quite know what you're going to end up. paying out of pocket anyways even if. they tell you that it's only 750 for the. MRI or 250 for the MRI right so that's.

that's an important part of it but it's. that much of. it yeah it's just interesting It's just. tough that you have to figure out how am. I getting screwed all the time it's. brutal it's brutal but that's the. opportunity for me right because Paul. Rivera pills will call you D let's go D. that's good um a couple quick questions. before you get out of here man um why. did you sell the Mavs some people know. um kids it was time more time with my. family um it was just you know and the.

fact that to compete which probably was. as important in family in order for me. to compete you got to generate more. revenues and when it was technology and. media I knew that [ __ ] cold but now it's. like building casinos building you know. you see what happens with the Titan. Stadium and all the [ __ ] they put around. it right that's not me I'm not a real. estate guy and I don't want to have to. learn I don't want to have to put up $2. billion to figure out if I'm doing it. right or not and so I brought in a great. partner Patrick Dumont um and the Adon. family who are big Trump supporters um.

and so um they they're just better at it. than I am and so I thought that put the. Mavs in a better position and it didn't. suck that I got all that money oh. selling it you mean yeah yeah I mean. it's still on 27% and I'm still involved. so got it it's a win-win um was there. another team that you wanted to buy. recently what about a WNBA team no not. not really cuz it was more about just. spending more time like so that's. another yeah because there's a lot of. pressure right cuz if I want to do it I. want to win right and I still like I. said I own 27% of the Mavs and that's. still yeah that's still big time that's.

enough fun yeah how much did you pay in. fines during your NBA time three four. five million I have I have no idea what. was your biggest. fine. um. [ __ ] I think it was. $600,000 um so I grew up like I told. grew up in Pittsburgh and my biggest. basketball Crush Was was Julius Irving. Dr J right and so he had me oh wait was. oh that was no that was bigger right. okay so we rested these guys see I.

forgot 750 yeah so I forgot about this. one and so the end of two seasons ago we. we weren't going to make the playoffs. and we rested our best play players and. even though every other team had been. doing it they [ __ ] with me and finded. me for 750 Grand damn because why. because fans are coming the best players. should be on the court no not. necessarily I mean cuz like when a team. is bad they will do what they can to get. a better draft pick cuzz that's how. you're going to get good say so we. weren't going to do it and they said we. waited too long right like other teams. might tank halfway through the season.

they might tank three quarters the way. but because we did it with three games. left they thought that was wrong I was. pissed when I got that one dude I would. have been Jesus Christ i' would have. been pissed and sleeping outside because. I I would yeah I would have been living. outside then. um uh was there one player you always. wanted to get that you couldn't get I. mean I was like Shaq sha was my guy Shaq. was always come get me come get me. yeah I have a house in Dallas come get. me I tried. Shaq oh that would have been fascinating. having Shaq over there um I've heard you.

talk about crypto a lot do you think. it's a big part of our future or do you. not I think it can be I think we don't. know for sure yet okay I think on one. hand Bitcoin is like the new gold right. because it's easy to own um it's easy to. use apps to deal with it and everything. I think that's a huge plus as opposed to. Gold where you've got it's just more. difficult to deal with and ain't nobody. going to carry a brick of gold right if. [ __ ] hits the fan right what are you. going to do hey this is my gold you know. not going to work um a couple Brothers. might actually dude I know one of my.

dogs oh really oh yeah I know a couple. dogs roll around with a brick maybe but. yeah but it's just going to create. controversy different kind of brick I'm. talking about. gold but yeah people would be trying to. attack you for it yeah yeah right so so. I see Bitcoin as having a good future. right um I think for all there's a lot. of good reasons I think ethereum and. some of the other ones are dependent on. the application built around them so. like there's defi which is has a real. place so that people can um easily trade. borrow loan money and make some money or.

save you know borrow money I think. that's been around a while and that. works okay but it's kind of a a stable. app um but we really haven't seen that. app that's like the Instagram app right. like when when iPhones first came out or. the the App Store first came out right. there was no one app right then. Instagram came along Snapchat came along. and then the App Store blew up right. there was apps apps apps apps we haven't. seen that one app that everybody has to. use yeah not for yeah for um crypto and. when that happens it'll make it a lot.

more common right it's a great Point. never really thought about that what's. something on The Radars that nobody's. seeing right now people are talking. about Ai and OIC prices and you know. women selling illegal OIC outside of. Vineyard Vines and all kinds of stuff. yeah it's happening and um people are. talking about the border and politics. and but what's something that you think. that's on your radar that's like a a big. issue that nobody's talking talking. about I think it's more AI Than People. realize yeah yeah I think AI is going to. go a lot further I mean as processing.

speeds go like that and the capabilities. of AI go like that the context wins all. this other [ __ ] um do you have you. have a kid I don't have any children I. thought I will have one one day but I. don't have any I got to get a wife yeah. first things first right yeah um and so. like if if you just had a kid tomorrow. let's just say right um and you start. collecting all the videos and pictures. and things and over time it turns into. emails and texts you're going to put. that all in Ai and your little kid when. he's seven eight years old is going to.

have you know an invisible friend that's. an AI it's some crazy [ __ ] that's going. to happen oh because it'll be all the. information you'd want him to know or. whatever you want yeah exactly right. right and can talk to you when you're. not there instead of them just going on. Instagram or whatever Snapchat it's. going to be like like you could be so. say you could take like a say there was. like an orb that went in your child's. room like an actual thing you Plugged In. Like A Thing um a fixture and you could. load in through AI like put in these 20. books this or should have this knowledge. of or it'll be somebody that looks like.

a somebody oh I's see what you're saying. so a actual figure could be hologram. yeah of someone and if my child has any. questions they can ask and now fast. forward 40 years where you're taking all. the stuff about the the child right. right and so and putting that. information in as well so he'll know how. to best relate to the child things he. remembers all every meming remember when. we were at Park right or you know tell. when was that time went with Dad to. there he is right and then when he hits. 80 and dies or 100 let's say and dies. right you've got that that fake Joe.

little Joey right who just died and. lives forever it's going to be insane so. you'd be able to literally as you're. laying in bed at night you could turn. your grandparents on on the wall through. some sort of a projector machine and. talk to them like they're still there or. a hologram yeah it's going to be insane. was there ever I had an invention dude. did you ever have an invention that you. wanted to get done but you never had the. time not really cuz I'm not that. creative really yeah I'm creative. business-wise but what's your what's. yours I used to think that they like 15.

years ago I started thinking well what. if they had on your dashboard you could. put in something like a CD or something. and on your dashboard a hologram the. band would perform on your dashboard it'. be a little bit of a distraction but. it's little distraction but I thought it. be sewed up and you can make it over by. the pass yeah but imagine if like little. boo do that [ __ ] now you can do that. [ __ ] now see I'm just want that was one. thing thought and then I thought if they. had a dog collar that cuz there's a dog. that kind of howls behind my house a lot. if you could synchronize them you get.

the neighborhood or Regional you get. them all the same color and then oh. that's a cool idea they they syn and it. makes you put that together come on. Shark Tank. then but like organized like you know. you could they would do it like so you. know where he's at by the the um so well. that's cool right so if you have like. that dog and another dog down the street. the collar would have them both how at. the same time so you would have almost. like the whole like a little Symphony of. dog symph that's funny as [ __ ] yeah if. you can do that regionally so you say. you're on their porch you're relaxing. with your wife you're sitting there in. the swing and you could just put program.

a little you know some Beethoven and. then all the uh hounds started heating. up yeah oh that's that was a thought. that I had um right before you go what's. if there's a young guy who's out there. what's what's the best advice you would. look back and honestly give yourself I. know it's such a generic question but we. have a lot of young men on who listen to. our podcast who were curious about what. something they can do to um hedge their. bets for the future and uh and to best. take care of themselves like you know. find I think like I was the same way.

like you always think oh this is not the. job right you know this is not where I. want to be and I got fired or quit or. did a bunch of jobs right and I think if. I were going to do that again um I would. try to be a lot i' try to be really good. at all those jobs right because a when. you get really good at something that. opens up doors for you right even if. you're flipping burgers right if you're. if you're the best at it someone's going. to recognize it right and if it's not. the boss you have right there and then. like dude fires you or whatever you're. going to you're still going to be good. for the next one right 100% And when you.

learn how to be good at something then. you can learn how to be good at other. things and then because the hard part. really is finding something you'd love. to do that you can be great at right. because you never thought you'd be doing. podcasting right no and you're great at. it but once you find it right that's. when the [ __ ] happens yeah yeah it took. me years to figure it out it t takes all. of us years to figure it out right you. know I right and give yourself some. Grace that you're figuring it out like. you don't have to figure out [ __ ] when. you're 18 19 20 21 22 you don't know. [ __ ] just don't get somebody pregnant. and have fun right right don't get.

thrown in jail get yeah don't do [ __ ]. that's GNA you know hold you back right. but you know and then I'd add um be. curious right because the more you learn. the more doors open up for you be agile. right be able to to you know Bob and. weave when [ __ ] hits you right because. it's going to you know um. and again if you just can find something. you can be really good at no matter what. it is nobody quits anything they're. really good at that's a great line.

because that that's when you get the. satisfaction I'm the best [ __ ]. whatever it is right and somebody's. going to want to pay me because I'm the. best yeah yeah and somebody will in a. lot yeah like because yeah once you. start having employees you start looking. for better employees in different spots. and then I bet it becomes a problem. people trying to poach your employees. hases that ever happened yeah of course. yeah of course and you got to you know. try to connect with them better and you. I mean look I'm horrible at hiring. people so I always try to get somebody. who's good at it CU I'm I'm a softy.

right oh Theo yeah it's you know you. Theo sells me on why he wants to you'll. be great Theo and yeah you know um yeah. I heard you say in an interview one time. you said get on the job learn it for. three months do the be the best [ __ ]. person at it and then at six months if. you are the killer at it it might have. been a sales job but go into your boss. and say I need a higher percentage or do. this [ __ ] yeah right see you it's a good. strategy it's good it's just good to. have that mindset yeah if you work hard.

you can something you can figure it out. and if you can learn to sell you always. have a job oh selling so hard it's not. though like I was like I started selling. when I was like 12 years old oh yeah. then you have it yeah and I always. looked at it at like okay I'm just. trying to help somebody what whatever I. got like I sold garbage bags door to. door I sold magazines and I remember you. know Theo look I'm selling you this all. these five magazin for $10 a month you. know when you tell your wife you spend. $10 a month on the education and. enjoyment of your entire family that.

puts him in a position to get better. grades at school you know she's going to. thank you for it yeah let sign that [ __ ]. up right so if you just look at it as. helping somebody that's a good point. yeah that's a good point if you don't. think of it as I'm selling if you. believe in what you're selling too. probably helps well that sure helps. right but you could you should sell a. full alphabet up to to people in. Pittsburgh dude cuz they're only using. half of it up there dude. no you got love it there's people up. there only using half of it um rumor you. wanted to buy Fox news is that going to. happen no that was all [ __ ] right. yeah somebody asked me um um if you.

could would you buy X or um or Fox News. I'm like I can't afford it but if I. could I would but yeah I'm not trying. now that's [ __ ] there's there's a. rumor that you wanted to build an entire. city in Dallas like a new city from. scratch no no I bought a city oh you. bought bought a town called Mustang. Texas if you got any ideas Theo bring. them on really you got a whole city over. there I got a whole town it's not a city. town it's got like no people right but. it's like 75 square miles um or Acres. rather and um I got an idea dude I.

played basketball with was dying of. cancer and it um said that his only real. asset was this town it's the only. personally owned town in the C in the um. in the state and one of the few in the. country and like old old friend and I'm. like okay Marty I'll buy it from you so. it was like $1.9 million so now I own my. own own town one of my other basketball. buddies is like the here and goes down. there and keeps it up to date and. everything so if you got any ideas and. people live there or it's empty no it's. pretty much empty it is yeah there used. to be a strip club that burned down and.

then we twir all that down wow do you. lease it out from movie sets right now I. would but I haven't really tried right. you got to get it figured out yeah wow. okay I'm going to keep that in mind what. would I do with a dang town I don't know. it's your daughter's birthday coming up. you coming up yeah yeah nice how old is. she going to be she be 21 no 21 in. Nashville it's going to be brutal do you. feel a responsib to throw a big party. for her yes yeah yeah that's where I'm. taking advantage of you know what I can. take advantage of so it's a little bit.

spoiling her but she deserves it is she. which what's something you really love. about her um she's just got a great. spirit she's feisty as hell she's smart. um she's loving um and she's got a s. she's she's got a sarcastic sense of. humor so she's always giving me [ __ ]. right yeah which is cool I like that. yeah somebody's got to give Mark Cuban. [ __ ] somebody's got to give us all [ __ ]. say that's what my kids always say. someone's got to give you [ __ ] so that's. all they do is give me [ __ ] yeah that's. that's a pretty generic first statement. too like well it doesn't have to be you.

right not my family oh my god dad you're. the worst driver dad you're the worst. this Dad you're the worst that oh my god. oh I gotta tell you I enjoyed this this. is totally different than any other. interview I've ever done yeah really. enjoyed it yeah well it's cool to hear. that you like being a dad Mark yeah I. love it I appreciate it mark cubin thank. you so much for your time thanks Theo. really appreciate it I'm just floating. on the Breeze and I feel I'm falling. like these leaves I must be. [Music].

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