Louis Theroux | This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von #513

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SL T Ur and uh thank you to anybody. that's come out and support and seen the. show and um just can't even believe it. and uh I'll see you guys there baby. praise God baby. gang today's guest is a documentarian a. journalist um an. instigator of sorts uh he has a new. documentary that's trending right now on. Netflix called tell them you love me uh. it's really fascinating if you haven't.

seen it um he's he's always splashing in. the dark pools of. society uh and we're grateful for all. his contributions over the years that. have kept us entertained and intrigued. and informed as well today's guest here. from the United Kingdom is Mr Louie. the sh. [Music].

I'll sit and tell you my. stories. know and I will find a song I will sing. [Applause]. it I like your voice man I like your. voice you do yeah oh thanks man I'd like. to speak like that.

well I think well it's interesting. coming to London because you see where. it started at mhm coming to London is. very much like going and looking at the. roots. of America well yeah and the English. language and you you probably know this. but they say Shakespeare if he were. alive today would speak like kind of. like an Appalachian he'd be a I feel. like he'd probably be a rapper or. something now he' probably be AER he he. talk kind of like this yeah he.

like and cuz words like got we say got. you say gotten in America or fall we say. autumn those are you know and. Shakespeare he talked kind of like it's. it's a lot of fun talking to you theovon. because I'm kind of a stand-up comedian. too oh so he but I make plays yeah but. there is different characters on stage. talking and stuff are you serious. William that sounds really I love words. feels weird talking to you like it feels. a little offensive like no I don't think.

so well I you can hear everything that's. wrong with what I'm doing but to me it. sounded perfect well it's funny cuz. people will like joke about a white. accent that's kind of country but they. don't like they don't but if you do it. about a black accent it seems like it. gets offensive you know yeah but I don't. this is okay this do I don't use terms. like I obviously I don't use racial. slurs but I don't say white trash yeah. for example and and that sounds like. maybe pretty but I or or I I I wouldn't.

use the term. hillbilly does that make sense yeah I. think I don't feel like I maybe because. I came from a position of something a. little bit of privilege in life and it. feels like um like you're looking down. on people yeah well I think it's like. it's in the past eight years I would say. in the US the like they made it so the. only people they would make fun of. anymore were kind of like poor white. people or just white people kind of so. they kind of stuck themselves in this. place yes I think it's one of the.

reasons why podcasting has had a rise. over the years because it still kept. this just freedom of like well I'm not. I'll just we'll talk about whatever we. feel like we'll try to just be our. normal selves and and actually be loose. and free I used to in the '90s I work. with do you know who Michael Moore is. the documentary maker so he was my. mentor of A Sort like he gave me my. first job on TV I worked for a show. called TV nation in the mid 90s it was. on NBC and then it was on Fox but it. felt like because it was a very it was a. left wi kind of politically engaged but.

it felt like the one thing we were okay. as we as a collective on the show with. making fun with making fun of was kind. of white Southerners yeah so it was like. oh well we're going to Channel all that. into just making fun of Billy Joe and. Billy Bob and and it always I always. slightly felt like maybe this isn't okay. you know what I mean like the last. acceptable taboo right making fun of the. dumb crackers you know yeah dude these. damn dumb they don't know [ __ ] they're. dumb they're drinking.

gasoline Donuts anding around thinking. that's fun they're doing donuts and. their sister's vagina that's scariest. place to do one but during for some. reason there was like something in the. past like eight years when it hit that. that it it people started to kind of get. fed up with it in a way or they just. wanted equality they just wanted will. make fun of everybody like don't just. you know and I think some of that came. with like the Trump stuff people thought.

that all Trump supporters were just like. complete um Hill you know. Hil and I think you see that a little. bit in some of the stuff Sasha Baron. Cohen did you you ever watched like um. Borat and Bruno and it felt like felt. mean to me it felt a bit mean sometimes. yeah when he was making fun of that he. takes you remember this one it's kind. it's weird because sometimes you feel. it's funny I feel I don't you know I. don't want to be he's it's funny and it. felt a little bit like he was beating up.

on Country folk yeah you know what I. mean yeah I think I think as long as. everybody's getting beaten up on it. seems good and that's I think where I. feel like things are kind of hedging. back that way because there's nowhere. else for them to go right now um man. you're London is marvelous bro oh you're. welcome I didn't know I didn't think I. really I was always kind of against the. British like yeah come on really yeah. we're polish my father's from Nicaragua. but but his father was from Poland so my.

parent my fa my grandfather met his wife. in Nicaragua doing missionary work a. long time ago so you're kind of Latin. I'm polish Nicaraguan that's kind of how. I feel the most I guess really cuz my. father was very like um you know he. would just talk in Spanish and drink. small coffees and you know and probably. think about you know dancing with women. that weren't my mother just doing the. lambard yes the Forbidden dance but you. were growing up in Covington and it must.

have been like um you were quite exotic. in those terms cuz that's a fairly like. that's mainly white and a few black. people right to be Nicaraguan wouldn't. that count for being a bit like well. yeah it even starts with NI you know so. immediately you were getting kind of. lumped in with the brothers you can pass. like you look pretty white to me yeah I. feel weird saying that just saying that. felt uncomfortable like I was sounding. like David Duke or something no I used. to share a back fence with David Duke. did you yeah when he his girlfriend he.

dated the hottest chick that worked at. our seafood restaurant Duke did they. said that was his um people in you know. who were part of the white nationalist. movement said that was his other than. his racism and being a Nazi like his. other big failing was that he he had an. eye for the ladies he was always having. trouble shagging the wrong person's wife. oh yeah I could see that I think you. going to say he had a problem with. seafood um but because there's a lot of. yeah and he may be suffering from gout.

he's pretty old now it could be just. racism built up in his joints but as a. neighbor nice. guy pretty pretty yeah like we didn't. see much you know we' go to the gym. sometimes and sit on see and I would. lift weights but at that seriously yeah. but at but he's quite a bit older yeah. yeah he was older this was probably 20. years ago at that point he was you know. just kind of a still a healthy guy at. the gym um but he wasn't yelling racist. things are wearing like a racist shirt.

or anything he just no his thing was he. left the clan to found the. naawp oh yeah you remember that uhuh I. mean it might be before your time. National Association for the advancement. of white people and his thing was like. you know black people can do it why. can't I it's just the same thing civil. rids yeah civil RS from my people yeah. was the accent all right what are you. hearing when I'm doing that yeah I'm. hearing just like you just kind of like. having like a country accent kind of. what do you do an English one all right. good day friend keep going all right oh.

nice to see you today Miss say I grew up. in Louisiana because it's hard when. you're mixing so I grew up in Covington. Louisiana and most of my I met just say. just talk about that well I grew up in. Covington Louisiana sir and I was just a. wee fella there with my mom and me. grandom not too bad and she died she had. tyho or she had um a black long yeah. something I don't know I don't know how. British to get.

so we ate a lot of like War meals every. a lot of the food here tastes like a lot. of War meals I feel like yes um which. war like the second world war I'm not. sure I'll have to open to do you mean. like um check a reference so like it'll. be delicious if you were in a war yeah. like it feels like somebody like hurried. you into a tent to eat and this is what. the chef had the cook had um I you know. like I'm half American my dad's from. Boston uh Boston Massachusetts mhm. and so I feel a very divided loyalty.

like and I but at the same time because. I grew up Mania in South London I would. come to America to visit My Relations. many of them lived around Boston or on. Cape Cod with with holiday on cape card. you know that very nice yeah how are you. that's how they would how are you that's. that's a different American accent. that's yeah it's wicked and so you're. American fan base is going to be like. what the [ __ ] um is he doing uh but the. my point was that I I when they would.

have stereotypes about British people or. English people I would feel slightly. offended because if you grow up in it. you don't notice like oh the oh the. food's awful or the you know the idea. that English people will have bad teeth. and I was like no we don't but actually. we kind of certainly did then they're a. little better now but yeah I'm. interested in what you see from the. outside so the food's not so good the. food is not yeah the food doesn't strike. me the W the W this is one thing I. noticed the women.

they seem to be neater women MH they. seem to have more Ambiance about them I. think and this is no disrespect to. America or anything America seems like a. lot more kind of social media obsessed. and like um kind of fake tit kind. of obsessed whereas I feel like here. some of the women just seem to have. their own more their own world to them. um like girlfriend I don't have a.

girlfriend so you you're out here you. know down for whatever I'm not just um. you know just smashing any you know. trapes her or whatever people call you. or whatever somebody what was the term. trapes her somebody traping her by or. whatever okay yeah I'm not out here like. touching people or anything said. molesting yeah well like I mean I'm not. yeah I mean I'm doing everything legal. I'm doing legal work here yeah of course. but you out here thinking like I'm I'm a. free I'm I could meet a woman I could.

meet a wife you could meet a your future. wife yeah I think I'm in the C I'm more. to the place now where yeah I would like. to meet a wife you know so but I just. think have you been out going out to. clubs and and bars no no I don't go to. clubs we went last uh um Jimmy Carr took. us out the other night did to the chilon. chilon Firehouse Chilton Firehouse a. nice High rolling it was fancy there. that's fancy the drinks are they're. expensive but they're very delicious oh. and the lamps even had they have like. the little clicker on the back on the.

cord they had the. actual right where you pull the yeah you. know like a little string like a. Bonafide lamp yeah like that time like. it was like you does that count for a. lot like a string some that that seems. like a low bar for but like formality. the lamps had strings on them well I. think reaching behind the the little. desk that it's on it was so fancy that. place they didn't even have switches. they had lamps with little strings. dangling off them it's defensive do that. we can cut that if you feel like your.

fans are going to be like why'd you get. that limey on there and he just rolled. you no I don't I don't think so I'll let. you know if it feels weird I think cuz. we're talking about it it's fine if I if. somebody was being like but I think. that's something that happened in. America it was like people were like. [ __ ] you you'll try and sell us your. television programming but you're all. you the only thing that's on it is. you're only brave enough to make fun of. us like you're not even artistic anymore. I I think that's something that's. happened a lot with like.

Hollywood um is they've become like. fifth and sixth generation Hollywoods. now it's not they're not as accepting of. like people coming in and bringing in. different ideas it doesn't feel like a. Melting Pot of ideas anymore it feels. like um uh the people that originally. came there and had the ideas some of the. some of that's kind of dissipated yeah. uh just by like nepotism and stuff like. that sometimes and insul insularity. they're in a bubble um I I'll say like.

you know because I came up as a you know. from the outward appearances being. British but then I got my break in. America working for Michael Moore and. then I was doing sto first one of the. first stories I did was about the Klux. Clan and I was in yeah yeah I'm familiar. with it okay zinc arkans saw and what. you the the show that I did or the or. the phenomenon of the clan or both I'm. familiar with the one where's the part. where the guy you guys are at the house. and they ask you if you're Jewish or the. guy Tri that was a different one cuz. then it was like it worked so then that. was Al that was I was with the Neon. Nazis in California but the first one.

was a guy called molo he lived in uh. Waco Texas oh yeah and he's said no sir. and it was first time I found I. encountered that southern thing of being. called sir but in a way that felt formal. to the point of slightly unfriendly yes. sir it's real nice come over here sir. like it could have felt like polite but. it felt like distancing you know what I. mean no just like that and he was. showing me all his signs and the sign he. they were pretending not to be racist oh. yeah I've seen this actually in CL Clan. so he's leaving out this stuff and it.

says and this is something an Adam we. use for our wsad sales and it's called. for the discriminating sharer yes sir. and and it said discriminating in red. and I go um but why does it say. discriminating in red go it just like. that cuz it's just kind of stands out. and I said but does that mean you. discriminate goes no sir we do not. discriminate no sir and it was an odd. thing but my point the point I was going. to get to was that uh when those shows. go out in the US I'm thinking like I'm. I'm half American like this isn't me.

making fun of American culture but some. people didn't see it that way and I. always felt like a very divide and I did. one I had one where I went around um. Miami Mega jail like the big one of the. biggest jails in in in the state oh in. Dade County yeah Miami days fourth four. fifth yes so you've seen this stuff yeah. I'm familiar I don't want you to think. that I'm not familiar I appreciate it so. I thought it was a good show but then. when it went out on Netflix uh most I. guess most people lot people liked it. but some of the comments were like from.

people I think black people who are like. why is this white British guy going in. kind of making us look bad which it's a. valid response but it's definitely not. how how it was intended so I'm I'm. conscious of that feeling of being. Insider but Outsider as well yeah you. know it's fine I was thinking about that. I was like I wonder what it feels like. cuz once you kind of as somebody who's. coming to look at something and explore. it and see how you can be a filter or. like a kaleidoscope for the other people. behind that are going to watch it what.

is that is it tough like at a certain. point do you become a bit of a jaded. Kaleidoscope do you become like a do you. like yeah how does your funnel change. over time just because of doing it more. and more and because it Garner also. there's it Garners esteem yes and so. that's it's it's just interesting how. the different how different factors can. start to affect the best thing that the. best thing that's happened to me is is. is is that I'm not that well known in. America and and you know it's changed a.

little bit uh for various reasons so I. have a little bit of a profile but I. think the fact that I can go in where if. I did a documentary in the UK I'd be. pretty well known yeah and it's fine you. can still do it in some ways it it. generates more Goodwill because they're. like oh we like Louie we'll let him in. and then off camera you're maybe doing. selfies and whatnot which is fine. although kind of eats into your time a. bit you think I'm supposed to be a. serious journalist slightly flying under. the radar and here I am doing selfie.

fed. just and then in America however I'm. just I'm going around Miami jail no. one's going to ask me for a selfie there. do you know what I mean and I I love. that part of and I never get jaded as. long as I feel I'm meeting new people. the only times where I felt like the. dynamic changes is if I go back and do a. followup a couple of times so I did a. story about the westbo Baptist Church. yeah I'm familiar that's in Louisiana. right uh it's in it's in uh Kansas TOA. toeka Kansas the capital I like we have.

a branch at Louisiana I don't think so. really yeah they don't really do. branches it's really just a one a. One-Stop shop oh yeah unless there. there's obviously crazy I use the term. crazy advisedly but uh there's other. outfits there's strange churches but I. with Westborough there's only as far as. I'm aware there's only ever been one of. the guys left and moved to Louisiana I. wonder if that's what you're think I. they had a Ford operating base or. something in Louisiana Maybe like a. little beach head yeah like a let's.

deploy from here they um so when I went. back and you I did the first one like. hello like how does it work like nice to. meet you so you carry these signs what's. that all about and then you made the. program and then I went and made a. followup and when you go back they kind. of have your number and I don't mean. number as in like they know you're a. prankster or making fun of them it's. more like they just know who you are so. they don't put up with any nonsense and. you know who they are so the point the. word used was jaded you get a little.

jaded and that creates a different. energy so you are sort of. saying come on just stop it it's racist. or it's homophobic it's anti-semitic and. you you just cut to the chase quicker. which uh you you no you have no. camouflage so it it doesn't make it. impossible to do work and as so as long. as I'm on a new story even if it's a. related story to some like you if you. put me in a prison in the US tomorrow. I'd be a very happy person wow so you.

like that sort of you like being the. princess in the pee you like being the. pee under the mattress kind of yeah yeah. kind of I'm working with that metaphor. I'm waiting for it to make sense but yes. like I maybe I'm the princess in the. sense that I love that fairy tale by the. way yeah you remember how it works like. she's she stops the night and she says. I'm a princess and they say we don't. believe you and they so here's how you. test and they don't say anything to her. they say get a pee am I you remember how. and they put like 100 m. they put all the mattresses like a ton.

and the next morning they say how did. you sleep and they said I slept terrible. and they what I was tossing and turning. all night because the one pee but the. point is a point about oh she really was. a princess cuz she could feel a pee I. mean she sounds kind of like a nightmare. right yeah well I grew yeah I definitely. I used to have those buzzer underwear. that would shock you if you peed at I. heard about that um but didn't shock you. just buzzed surely it was pretty strong. the voltage we got you went through a. lot growing up we got a pretty high. voltage package I think my mom wanted me. to [ __ ] feel it yeah I got him for.

Christmas it was a gift I remember and. it was kind of fun because you would be. able to like just sprinkle some water on. them and turn them on you know and so my. brother would be like do the thing you. know and I would do it but um do they. still sell those oh I don't know that's. a good question I uh I don't know need. to look into that I think having the. electricity and the year in the pool of. urine was a. bad it was a very ' 80s 9s thing but no. I meant you're like you're the pee.

actually that gets put in like you're. the thing that has an effect on the I. see yeah yeah I've got the distorting. effect of being of mixing things up and. and yeah I very much I do I do like that. I yeah I don't know what else to say. about that yeah like what ises how does. how did that ever start start in you. that you desired like okay I like. invisibility and I'm an anxious person. and because I grew up uh always worrying. about things um I found if I was talking. to someone who seemed off-beam or just.

in any way like their mind worked. differently like I was maybe all kids. are like this but I was the kid who if. there was a homeless person with his. mouth open and I was like five or six. years old AG go I'd be like what what. what what's going on with that Mom why. is that man got his mouth open mom and. they like sh you know things you're not. supposed to talk about don't talk about. it or if you read about just weird stuff. happening like guys falling asleep and. and and kind of getting you know and. then burning to death because they were.

in the Sun and they were wearing too. much sun oil and I was like what does. that feel like I was just kind of I. think there were aspects of life that. felt so strange it took me out of myself. it and and whatever inner voices of. anxiety and disqui I had they were. silenced does that make sense yeah yeah. it's interesting so if you're on. location you're going and talking to. someone who like the first story I ever. did was for Michael Moore and it was. called Millennium and it was about. people who think the end of the world is. about to happen and my main anxiet y was. um I'm going to be terrible at being on.

TV right I just didn't think I had. whatever that gift is like I was very. nervous I thought I know I always. thinking I know at least five people who. are way who would be way better at this. than me like my best friends were all. really funny people I grew up with who. went on to be Comedians and talented. performers right and I'm thinking I'm. the least funny one in my friendship. group and yet I was 23 years old and. I've been given this break and the only. thing I had that I was clinging on to. that I thought but I I'm going to take. this opportunity. of of being a you know being a.

correspondent on this new show because I. want to meet these people who are part. of these crazy Cults who think the world. is about to end I just thought that does. sound like that sounds fascinating and I. will enjoy that part of it and maybe in. enjoying speaking to them they'll get. some usable footage and that was really. the Launchpad like was the fact that I. just want to know like why why do you. think that like what what part of you. you know like when is it going to all. happen when is Jesus coming back and.

what will he be wearing and is that a. Tuesday or a Wednesday and the concrete. detail or the UFO there were four. different groups and there was a UFO. group uh they were Landing in Southern. California that the the spaceships were. going to land in. 2001 and and uh and then there was a. group in Western Montana who who were a. part of a Neo-Nazi outfit who wear wore. little Nazi uniforms and I remember it. was day three first two days it went. Terri it went terrible it like I thought. um with the neonazis did you mean no the. day one was a Harold Camping he was a he.

was a fundamentalist Christian who. talked like this and then Jesus is going. to come back see yeah and then day two. was was a UFO group and they were all. kind of touchy feel we like we're not. preaching Doom and Gloom we're not. fearful at all but it was kind of like. they kept talk like I just didn't feel. like I was clicking with them like they. talk too much basically and I was too. polite and scared to interrupt but then. day three the Nazis bizar were the most. light and the most sort of emotionally.

available does that make sense so they. were just I think they were just so. lonely and so bored living like two guys. living in a trailer in Western Montana. oh yeah the me. arriving and they're like come on in so. great to have you you know there's a lot. of Truth in the prophecies that are. written up in Star Wars the movie Star. Wars and what about Star Trek Star. Trek's another one a lot of Truth in. that different planets for different. races and I thought like was um I was I. didn't want to talk too much about.

myself because I thought they'd probably. assume I was Jewish because a lot of. people assume I'm Jewish and I thought. that would lead to an interesting. Dynamic right so I and and and it was. just really striking how they were just. thrilled to be telling the good news. about different races going to different. planets and how there was this Neo-Nazi. Cosmic vision and I just sort of go like. wow that's fascinating tell me more and. in in the Ambiance of of of kind of. weird. I don't want to say friendship but this.

sort of weird feeling of um warmth that. infused the room and the ludicrousness. of what they were saying I thought okay. I'm I can do this like I can do my job. this is funny and interesting and um. that's cool man and I thought that was. it I can now now not only did I think. I've got this I thought like I'm one of. the greatest TV performers of all time. that you know what I mean it it went. like that I was like this isn't a. segment this is a feature film and and. and in fact Michael more better watch. out. I'm on his I'm hot on his tail I'm I'm.

way bigger than that yeah oh it's wild. how three days in three days in of. course I'm too big for this what so w. your ego will will kind of be the thing. that coerces you that tickles you enough. and prod you enough to even get on stage. and the second you open your mouth then. it jumps right in front of you and. [ __ ] thinks you're Katie Perry or. somebody or Benedict Arnold or whatever. yeah I don't have a middle range like. I'm I I'm I'm either this is a desire F. or I smashed it that's probably pretty.

normal then yeah I think that's pretty I. think it's you know I go to like 12 step. recovery and they all there's a term in. there it's always like I'm a egomaniac. with an inferiority complex yeah that's. a big term that people say in it's. terrible when you you say something. about you think it's Unique and it turns. out not only is it not unique like it's. a cliche like my personality type is. actually a cliche that's kind of. disappointing. seems pretty chill it seems that's when.

you realize maybe we are all already AIS. you know like we are in a Sim well I. think there's nothing original about me. or you maybe you but not me well that's. not very fair to put it on me since you. made it so Sullen but I will say this. dude one time Joe Rogan said I was. talking with him and I'm not name. dropping I know you've been over there. before and um he said you know there's. there's many of us out there there's. like there's like uh uh seven theovon.

there's like TW uh seven uh Lou Theus. there's like a whole M there's like. there's just definitely happening at the. same time and I don't know if I believe. and one of them is Asian and a couple of. them are probably in Africa which is. crazy to think about right yeah it is. but I don't know if I believe that CU it. takes away some of your own like um. sense of being value to yourself you. know that was one of the reasons why. I've never said this before I don't. think but when I went to America I felt.

able to be on TV because I thought well. there's not many people like me here you. know and I could be the British guy. whereas in in the UK and certainly in. London I feel like there's hundreds of. guys who are just like me yeah do you. know what I mean whereas you actually uh. you've you carved a path for yourself. surrounded by people who are somewhat. probably somewhat similar there's other. versions of you out there but you're the. best you must be the best one cuz you. Rose to the top I don't know I mean I I.

I don't know sometimes why I've had been. like had success in this business or. been fortunate like I just hated not. having a lot of opportunity I felt like. and then when podcasting came along it. felt like you could just do what you you. could just be yourself yeah you know. that's what felt and it's like yeah I. don't know I I I don't know I've been. like a slow evolver in life I'm kind of. a slow learner and like a late evolver. kind of and so so are you still.

fasting no because I you were fasting. for a time oh yeah I fasted for a time I. almost bit into a damn employee at a um. at a Best Buy yeah or Costco it was Best. Buy I don't go to Costco why not I don't. know is there a difference I don't like. seeing that much food at once. because just too tempting no makes me. feel sad have you been to Aldi since. you've been here Aldi the supermarket no. everything's cheap you can't spend more. than £50 if you try oh wow it's wild.

because you self checkout so you have a. little plastic bin and uh it's a. discount retailer but you you you you. don't you you don't get a a whole cart. like a trolley like you have to pull. down a little plastic thing around and. then when you get to you check out and. you you know you do the self checkout. but the barcodes are really big so it's. not too difficult is this making sense. yeah 100% because if you self check out. you don't want to be fussing with the. tiny barcode pass it right five times. it's driving you insane right but the.

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that the there's something very the the. female the women here seem like. more um confident in themselves. interesting and it's not a judgment. against American women but it's just. something that I noticed it just seems. like they have their own things going on. I think in America sometimes it feels. like a lot there's we've created this. space where women have to feel like this. desperation to be seen on social media. sometimes and I don't know if I feel. that here and I'm not even saying that.

I'm not judging the women I'm just. saying that that's a that's just. something that I kind of feel like we've. created in the states more but you live. in Nashville which is its own culture. and its own meu right yeah it's quiet. it's like is families um lot of country. and western music yeah a lot of country. western music it's fine I I I why not. New York or La I lived in La for a bit. it was too much it just it stayed closed. during the pandemic. and Nashville was open and I didn't want.

to start paying the taxes in LA and have. to um and have it be closed and so I was. like I'm going to move to a place that's. open uh is there a big uh opioid and. heroin problem in Nashville in all of. America there is now I did a story in. Huntington West Virginia M and it was it. was it was we called it heroin town and. it was one of those places you you just. arrive nicest friendliest people and. just a terrible terrible I don't it. might be better now but back then it was.

about four years ago 5 years ago a lot. of people sleeping and walking kind of. sleepwalking uh a lot of people dying on. the streets and then and then they get. they get naned and then they pop back to. life and they're mainly just annoyed. because they're like I was enjoying that. you know oh cuz you brought oh they were. enjoying you knocked the opioids off. their receptors and then they're like. what' you do that for yeah damn it let. me R yeah let me ride it again it's. almost like it's really. it's like I thought you going to say.

bungee jumping but. yes it's a like and then and then. someone like have you excuse me sir have. you taken anything and like no yeah and. they just can't keep that like I'm just. praying let me pray for a second exactly. it's wild well one of the things that. really this is where I think I'm fine. would you. stop it's really strange well one of the. things that started they didn't even. prosecute that family that did the opio. epidemic yeah the sacka family that's. [ __ ] but they sued them they got a.

civil suit but they set what does that. mean they're [ __ ] riding around and. eating banana pudding or whatever while. people are dying in the [ __ ] they. even hit a speed bump they like driver. be careful and like that's an opioid man. that we hit you did it you know it's. like and once that's that's one of the. things that's really started to make. people in America be like there's nobody. looking out for us anymore that was a. huge part of it I think I bet that book. by the way Empire of pain I haven't read.

that one Patrick Ren Keef brilliant book. about how they started making C you know. kind of medical company Three Brothers. and then the dynasty how they created. various drugs each of them in different. ways problematic like with side effects. and then and then the mother of all. terrible drugs which was the oxies and. whatever and um and a lot of them live. in Shad now apparently you know Shad in. land like it's a playground of the of. the wealthy of the wealthy that are.

hiding from yeah yeah wow that'd be a. good documentary yeah if you could get. in there they probably don't want to. speak and then it must be tougher the. the museums are all having to give the. money back and take down you know. because they made all these donations. right but it's it's I think you're right. I think the sense of betrayal and and. the way in which uh the way in which it. was cynically rolled out and the way in. which doctors were induced to. overprescribe and legislators were. persuaded yeah that's sales reps were.

all incentivized to make inappropriate. sale I mean everyone knows this now but. it was way worse than the pandemic right. like in terms of like the loss of life. unbelievably worse and to think that it. w yeah to think that it didn't even hit. that big of a crescendo I've never taken. it yeah have you I've never taken it I'm. Afra fentol yeah you got that good. fentol God they got it that fenny they. call it is it that Fenty people just.

yeah just lay there and then car fenel. it's like each do you know about car. fenel that's the elephant tranquilizer. it's like it's 100 times stronger a 100. times than fenal and fentel if you touch. it you can overdose yeah you don't even. have to take it yeah and so police. officers are bagging it up and then. Keling over say this is the best day of. my. life it's a sad that's so s awful and. then or inhaling it right when they used. to break into meth labs and then there.

was like the officers were getting you. healing over because they weren't. wearing gas masks you remember all of. that some of them weren't doing it on. purpose I bet after that first day. they're like yeah I'm leaving this at. home honey I'll be back you leave this. one for me I'll bag it up you get on. with the next hit yeah no it's it's. awful that car and then car fenel 100. times it might be 10 times you can. Google one time do you have a guy who. can Google have you got a Google guy. like Jo he can do it can you Google that. he's an import who's Joe's Joe's Google.

Jamie get Jamie Jamie can you check that. yeah can you bring that up dude black. people in wishing wells is that what you. were looking. for Centinal is like a I think it's a. hundred times stronger that's it's like. what are we doing how could we yeah I. think at that point people were like No. And so that on when after that happened. and then Co happened. that's one of the huge reasons nobody. trusted any of the pharmacetical indry.

because everybody just seen I have four. friends that died from F all right. seriously swear to God absolutely. deceased people you grew up with off the. face of the Earth uh some from adulthood. but some from childhood right gone. that's just me and I don't even run in. those circles yeah so I can't even so. once Co happened and then it became like. oh we're going to trust a pharmaceutic. [ __ ] no that's where a lot of America. was I think a lot of people don't talk. about that but to me that was a huge.

link um that's wild car fentol. yeah yeah I don't know you shouldn't be. in a car first of all if you're in a car. it's nothing to do with being in a car. right it's called car fentol well then. that's a strange name is it is a strange. okay fair give me that yeah but yeah. yeah it's so strong it's for cars no it. isn't that it's God damn I saw it I just. saw a couple tow trucks. doing yeah that's not what it is yeah.

it's for Elephants they should call it. something else it's confusing oh it's. wild though dude but yeah those you can. I ask because this is intrusive so you. must feel but you're in the fellowship. are you allowed to talk about that yeah. I mean I was on cocaine was one deal. yeah I liked a little bit of cocaine and. um yeah I liked cocaine you know like if. you would have some cocaine then I would. have some hopefully. if I had some now what would you say I.

would say we'll take a break boys no cuz. you're in recovery in recovery no I. would say I would look at it I'd make. sure it's cocaine right and then I'd. probably hand it back to you yeah and. then a few minutes later though here's. what I would do a few minutes later I'd. say let me look at it again really yeah. how how how long are you clean what's. the term how many days clean are you two. years congrats yeah thanks man I had a. couple years and then um went out and it. is what it is you know but I never had a. drinking problem I just had a cocaine.

problem right did you ever struggle with. anything I mean if if you go by what the. guide books tell you I probably drink. too much I drink more than you're. supposed to they say 20 is it 21 20. beers a week 21 units or 28 it doesn't. see doesn't seem like very many you know. what I mean I mean that's the first. thing that a guy who has a problem no. but come on that's like 21 beers a week. yeah that isn't 21 beers a week. it's a good that would be a good week. for me okay then that's a good that.

would be maybe if England was playing in. the no but as in like that would be low. like in other words I'll be like oh wow. I had a great I say I don't want to. characterize it like I I don't okay I'm. sounding defensive check in with myself. no I I I like to have a drink you know. and I feel like um I find it relaxes me. sir we're going to need to see your. license and registration that's what I'm. asking you for sir okay understand you. don't drive never drive while you're. dring no I think and it's more of the.

culture in in the UK it's way more of. the culture Ireland is the drunkest. thing I've ever seen in my life I. couldn't believe did you do some shows. over there yeah did you have any guests. were you doing podcast shows um NOP no. yes it was too much too much quickly. moving they like a drink we like a. Scotland they like a drink England and. there's it's what is what do we say. about it um my wife says I drink too. much good I disagree but they have to. say that yeah they're taught to say that. as soon as they're born do you think so.

your husband's going to drink too much. you tell them I think she eats too many. crisps well I think it's very you call. chips yeah you know what I mean yeah but. I would never dream of saying that to. her no she knows I think it every now. and then you can't say that why is she. allowed to say you drink too much but I. can't say I think you eat too many. crisps are going to everyone all the. women are going to be like I used to. like him and now I don't like no the. women love you any woman I've mentioned. you to that AB apprciate and then. they'll feel like he's coercive he's. trying to stop Nancy from eating those.

chips what's his problem with Nancy. eating chips I she I I think it's um as. you get older do you find that you speak. like women's language a little better. like I feel like I understand more. empathetic with women you just there's. certain things you know that you just. you don't ever say um you just should. never say 100% do do you definitely want. to eat that just never say that you. should not even look at a piece of their. food no oh or look surprised or be like. seconds wow really yeah never do that.

also if they say uh do I look good in. this or in this you say you look amazing. in both yeah right you you know all this. oh yeah yeah well I think as you get. older you just become if you look at a. senior citizen most of them could be a. man or a woman they often evolve into. the same haircut your your gender really. seem that old you thinking you imagining. my wife and thinking that she looks like. a senior citizen is that where your mind. went you seem healthy and your wife.

looks hot in my imagination I do want to. let you know that okay not but not is. she naked nothing crazy no no she's very. well she's working at a library okay. yeah I did an like I did wanted to do an. anniversary present it's uh in a couple. of weeks I can't remember how many years. it is because it's been so. magical um that didn't make any sense I. got it though uh but my point is I I. thought I'm going to do a it'll be funny. if I do an AI picture of me and.

Nancy uh having a wonderful time. together celebrating our anniversary you. can put that into AI now right and it'll. make an amazing picture but sometimes. it's so over the top it looks kind of. funny yeah so Lou and Nancy having a. romantic meal to celebrate their. anniversary and it it was Lou through so. there was a guy who popped up in the. picture and his beautiful wife Nancy the. guy looked like me but she looked like a. like a 70-year-old librarian and I kept. having to fiddle The Search terms to.

make her hot like his much younger very. attractive wife Nancy but I couldn't. meet I couldn't seem to get the AI to. make her attractive yeah so I I ended up. just putting in live Tyler look alike oo. let's get strong and that did it I. bummed a cigarette off her one night did. you yeah she seems like a nice person. she was very nice she gave me I think. she was yeah she gave me half of a. menthol cigarette and I was like yeah I. kept it I didn't even smoke I took a. couple hits off of but then I put it out. yeah I really I thought that was nice of.

her um it's funny how you can you can. tell a lot I maybe not that but you know. little encounters with people chips. passing in the night and that was enough. you get a sense yeah you get a little. bit of a sense fun that she smokes. Menthol though it shocked me but first. time I smoked a menthol it's like this. tastes like it's good for me oh yeah. that's that kind of mant sort of. refreshing tastes like you just had. washed under your arms you're like God. that's strong well I could see a lot of. black guys would smoke him when I was. growing up yeah but according to Legend.

according to Legend I'll tell you. straight up Terry was smoking them. [ __ ] too when I met him a lot of the. brothers would smoke them yeah cuz they. wanted a stronger cigarette I think. black people are just a they can they're. strong they're just a tougher ilk but. they haven't they banned I'm not. touching that by the way menl haven't. they banned menal or not I don't know if. they banned it or not but I people are. still doing it. unfortunately and a lot of g a lot of. redheads will smoke them too so when you.

see that's sort of the you know if you. look along the I mean yeah redheads are. kind of exotic I would say you know if. you look in the Bible none of them but. kind of yeah yeah there's no red heads. in the Bible for. real so have you really checked that. 100% will you run that up how many. gingers are in the Bible and also uh so. obviously they're man made I think. that's safe to say right um engineered.

yeah that's. interesting. um I feel like know you I was just going. to say like I feel like um like this is. a good conversation but I also feel like. I've talked a lot about kind of. stereotypical gender stuff and I feel. like people might think oh he's made all. those programs and he's been to. incredible places and and like that's. what he's learned is I think they think. we're just joking around and having fun. I think that's what they think. yeah 100% that's what I think and but I. think there's also Snippets of reality I.

think when you talk with people like. guys who are creatives like yourself. there's I think even you probably. surprise yourself with what's reality. maybe at times and what's your. imagination and the a little bit of both. maybe I don't know I don't know my thing. is I'd like to um I'd like to feel like. I'm wise and I'd like to feel like I've. gone through life um and I figured. something out and you know I've been to. extraordinary places and delve deep into.

human psychology and I've arrived you. know like with some Elder so some Elder. wisdom yeah but I haven't but I think. people of respect that you're on the. journey no doubt yes I'm still on the. journey I think a lot of people see that. if they pit you they pit you on the side. of the Himalayas with a backpack on and. thank you and I think part of my gift in. if I may put it like that you've really. seen some of my programs that's a thrill. where would you have seen I watch your. well I watch the new documentary which I. do want to talk about we should shout. that out I want to talk about that yeah.

I'm not in that one that one's I'm. executive producer of that one if it's. the one I'm think of tell them you love. me on tell them you love me oh it was. great it's I mean it's dark it was F I. did not see some of the turn that it. took it's extraordinary yeah can I set. it up very briefly that's I was going to. ask you no cuz I want people to go watch. it cuz it really was good netfli on it. really was good it's like a true crime. kind of psychology psychological. Thriller drama you will love it if you. like True Crime type of stuff um I think.

you will absolutely love this if in in a. twisty turny I can't believe what I'm. watching kind of a way it's about a. philosophy professor and a very disabled. young black guy who's uh non-verbal and. has always been assumed to have a you. know cognitive significant cognitive. impairment and she she's a philosophy. professor and she starts working with. him and appears to unlock all kinds of. special abilities and his family the.

young guy Derek his family is obviously. thrilled he starts going to college he's. having philosophical conversations with. her um I don't know if he's writing. poetry but he's he's sort of writing. essays and they they they have this. Meeting of Minds and according to her. version they fall in love and they. strike up a physical. relationship but then questions start. being raised about the nature of the. technique that she's using to open up uh.

his abilities his alleged abilities and. then the abilities come under question. and his family Derek's family start. feeling actually he doesn't have the. special abilities and this isn't a. thrilling story about love across the. Divide it's actually abuse and she gets. prosecuted and sent to prison so all the. way along you're trying to figure out. what really happened it's un yeah it. blew on mind cuz there's so many little. things well and one of the things that. you have to know or that helps to know.

if you're a listener is that one of the. ways she that the teacher Anna stubble. field is her name that she would um help. Derek cuz he basically at first you see. him or you think of him and you think. there's not a real himym in there well. there's a there's a well I don't want to. say that offense but my PE my listen no. I don't know I'm trying my best but when. you look at him there's a him in there. but you don't know how much of him there. is and it's hard for us to see a lot of.

times the person that is inside. sometimes of a person that has a severe. physical disability yeah I I he he's. there but he's and and he's just got a. profound disability and that's you don't. know the nature of what he's capable of. right. and and she starts she starts teaching. he she starts becoming she the. facilitate the way they that they you. that they start to communicate it's. called facilitated facilitated. Communication in essence what happens is.

she's called Anna Anna I can't get you. saying Anna but that's how she says it. so and and the Derek's mom's called um. Daisy and it becomes almost a custody. battle between them and the first. inkling that something's wrong is that. uh Anna starts saying like daiel put. some meat and potatoes down and and Anna. will go like well Derek really doesn't. like meat he's a vegetarian Arian and. his mom's like what and and he doesn't. listen and she'll put gospel music on.

they're from a churchy family and and. and and Onna goes like Derek doesn't. really doesn't like gospel he prefers. classical and um he likes he drinks red. wine and you know and he prefers. Cabernet and like all these sort of. markers of of of of what might be. construed as sort of elite or slightly. refined oh I didn't even think about. that yeah so there's a sort of class. thing like and so DA's like what gospel. is not good enough for him anymore like. she's she feels offended like the son.

that she's always known is being is. being kind of taken away from her right. and it's almost like a power play like I. know him better than I'm not saying that. that's how Anna meets that's certainly. how would come across to a mother and. especially I think also a black mother. probably who who yo he's not going to. eat my cooking right because he's a. vegetarian like he only eats nut cutlets. now yeah yeah he only eats like. shortbreads or whatever eats corn and. and and you I'm not trying to.

mischaracterize not at all we're joking. around he only has a booah base or. whatever yeah said he's a vegetarian. yeah and that's insane first of all to. say that a black guy's a vegetarian is. absolutely nobody's gonna believe that. dude name 70 black vegetarians dude okay. maybe Arthur Ash was one but that's it. nobody's buying that [ __ ] so out of the. gate the mom is like like hm you know so. but I I think so that's where it start. there's a glitch and and and it spins.

out and then when she says and then they. have the moment where they announce to. Daisy and and to Derek's brother John. that they're having a. relationship and um they sit down and. and and Anna and Derek sit down with. John and Daisy and and say like I don't. know I think they might have been. excited to break the news of course but. it's a sensitive thing saying like not. only we cuz they weren't saying do we. have I'd like permission to ask for your.

son's hand in marriage it wasn't like. that it was like by the way we're doing. it like we're already they said we've. been shagging a bit yes basically and. we're in love basic I don't think they. used the term shagging but it was along. those lines yeah and and and I think it. felt to Daisy and John like they still. had a protective because the kids he's. not a kid he's a young man the young man. is. vulnerable right so they don't know like. and also they don't want to think about.

him sexual probably yeah having. adventurous sexual relations like with. with a with the woman who's basically. got a a a caretaking role right and it's. a professional relationship it's a. complicated power Dynamic so the brother. John he's so shocked he goes and throws. up he's like it cuts him to the like to. the soul like he feels so confused and. befuddled by by the relationship I mean.

a lot of it is just also the awkwardness. of you know the bigger conversation is. well I was going to say. disability oh okay is that people who. are very disabled I say very but people. who have who not can't walk and in fact. maybe can't actually feed themselves or. who have who need round the-clock. assistance with day-to-day life and may. have like cogn real really like real. cognitive delays like where they seem to. be incapable you know they watch.

cartoons and enjoy life but they're not. going to be reading books and stuff a. lot of people don't want to think about. uh the sexual relations it's almost like. they they're infantilized and it seen as. inappropriate that they have sexual. desires right but they do they of course. they do because they're full grown. people right yeah they're obvious and. especially well one of the things you. have to let people know too I think is. the way that an Anna or Anna would.

communicate she there's like this sort. of um typewriter mhm type of contraption. it's almost like um like a first. typewriter you would give a child to. learn to do typing on like a speaking. spell yeah like a speaking spell and she. would kind of guide his hand or hold his. hand because his hand would often kind. of vibrate a lot so she would hold his. hand as he would write out the different. things he wanted to say so right there. it's just such a like who is the right.

who is yeah is it mostly him is she. guiding based on things she wants is she. even unknowingly guiding based on things. that she may want because there's. desires inside of us so the allegate the. contention by the the Skeptics would be. that cuz she had long conversations with. him using that technique a little like a. Ouija board would be the other analogy. if you you know if you wanted to uh say. that you was dubious and non-scientific. but the the allegation would be that she.

was in in essence having long. conversations with herself and and. producing her ideal love partner like. someone who likes all the same thing you. know what I mean like a fanfiction. almost writing her own fan fiction or. something creating and and you know I'll. leave it to people because that it's. sort of viewers could go on the journey. and figure out what they think happened. but um one version of events is that she. was you're projecting a kind of. idealized version and using Derek almost.

as a as a prop like a jepetto and a. Pinocchio type I kind of she was. puppeteering yeah yeah a real life human. used as a as a prop but then it's so. strange right and certainly possible for. sure it feels so strange to want to go. spend all that time with someone oh I. should sh I have I need to mention the. director Nick Aus perner who did a. brilliant job job it's great yeah he's. he's terrific And he as much as I'm. taking I'm I'm here talking about it I.

was exe an executive producer on it but. it was it's his his project he he did it. bring up Nick orust perner Nick AUST. perner AUST get a v picture of the man. there we go there he is do Google there. he is what a handsome man look at his. eyes wow want to look like that is he. Bangladeshi you. think I think he I I don't know his I. you know I never asked I I I don't think.

August Perna sounds like a Bangladeshi. name but I I love that he's got. beautiful swy skin and piercing blue. eyes and a thick beard I used to have a. beard like that and then I got alipa did. you really yeah my beard fell out oh my. God I know and my hair has gone thin I. have patches in my hair that's an. exclusive I've never spoken about that. on a podcast about having alipa yeah and. is it a real thing to deal with all the. time well it's always there it's there.

when I look in the mirror and and and if. I touch my hair I used to. feel kind of thick lustrous locks like. gorgeous just. enjoyable like a bit like your hair it's. thin though it starts to get thin and. then and then little holes up here can. you see that and my beard it's coming. back but it's white I feel like one of. those guys who's seen a ghost and their. hair goes white and falls out oh. oh yeah that sounds very like a. Scooby-Doo God yeah does it stress you.

out or do you care that much you already. have a family you have a wife already I. care a bit because I think my wife cares. and I the last thing I need is to be. even less attractive to her yeah have. another crisp Lindsay or whatever. exactly yeah Nancy like he's coercive. she doesn't sound like that he's. coercive and he's almost bald he's got. Patches in his hair you need to leave. him he's he's no good for you right you. know and that's your daughter saying. that exactly he's no good for you your F.

your wife's friends you've got that to. look forward to as like the toxic friend. yeah you you're too good for him oh yeah. my every girlfriend I've ever had has. had that friend for sure and they were. right they were right she is too good. for me they're all too good for us when. you really when it really comes down to. it she so much better looking than I am. and I am hitting so but I was on TV when. I met her so it was adjusted it was. adjusted for celebrity it happens you.

know what one thing that I thought was. interesting about um about tell them you. love me is that right yeah was that so. she kind of has the ability to guide his. hand possibly right or probably does. some ability to guide it she has the. ability and whether she's doing it is. the question right and only she kind of. knows yeah like there's some studies in. there that that a doctor or a scientist. does that helps you get a little bit of. inclination but even then you're not. fully sure because some people say like.

like we're the keys to each other's. locks right like when we maybe when we. join hands yeah something more magical. can happen you know um but then also I. start to think about like um like the. ownership now of like social media and. these bigger corporations that own a lot. of the platforms that we communicate on. because they can dictate if we're even. allowed to say certain things yeah you. know it's like you might you might write. what you really want to say but at some.

point they can say well we understand. what you'd like to say but you're only. allowed to say these things are you okay. if we format it for that and you have to. say yes and if you hit no it just asks. you the question again seriously I mean. I does that happened is that real it. just feels like that's very much where. we're headed like they give you a. certain amount of emojis you don't get. all of them. true if you want to feel belittled you. must you have to pay $2,000 a month for.

that emoji I just wonder if that's where. you know what I'm saying like what color. are you in your. emojis like when you you know the smiley. face did you opt for the white one cuz. I'm sticking with yellow and. increasingly I wonder if it's very Asian. that's a bold Choice well a lot of. Asians would be upset about it too would. they though because it's a bright puse. yellow it's no yellow that's found in. the human condition I would agree with. you what what what emoji cuz you know. there's a certain point where the first. time you use an a reaction it gives you.

a choice so now you have a dilemma do I. go white do I go off-white do I go beige. I think it depends on what neighborhood. I'm driving through at the time. sometimes really oh yeah cuz I'll be. like you know this is what's going on. around here and you're half Nicaraguan. so you must did you go white or. off-white I'll go off white I'll go. Middle Eastern sometimes so you keep. choosing different ones oh yeah I'll. throw a sand brother out there dude yeah.

I'll do it all man cuz you got to keep. people on the edge I mean I'll even. choose the pregnant guy nowadays you. know it's like what are we even [ __ ]. doing is there a pregnant guy there's a. [ __ ] pregnant guy what are we. doing they're trying to legalize all. that you know but do you worry about. that about like censorship and what will. be allowed I've said this before but. it's like it used to be like you wrote. on the paper right and now you can still.

write on the paper but what if want a. piece of paper yes you can but what if. the paper what if they own what if I. think I got Shadow band I don't know. what for well here you go I don't know. what for either that IA so boring that. they were like we got to stop putting we. got to dis he's making the platform look. bad his tweets are so banal just dial. them right down he's making everyone you. know when I did Joe Rogan podcast I did. it twice and when he moved to Spotify do. you remember that big deal and they gave.

him like 10,000 million whatever dollars. yeah and and um and some of them they. took off like they took some episodes. they took one of years off so they took. the most contentious like these are to. we can't put this on Spotify this is too. inflammatory and one of mine was taken. off but I think it was taken off because. I was so boring I just can't because I. said it's. nothing loved that I might be too spicy. and I was like they've taken me down you.

know like I'm I've been made they made. me they cancelled me yeah but it was I. think cuz when first time I did Rogan I. didn't know how big he was and you know. how he kind of plays a reactive game. like in other words he doesn't go on and. say like I've watched all your programs. I'm going to do I was going to do an. English accent I don't know why here's. Joe Rogan I've watched all your programs. and um I've done a lot of research and. he's more like hey welcome how's it. going and I and I was like I'm very. reactive as well so it was kind of like.

how you doing I'm like good how are you. doing. good and then it was like two hours went. by and it kind of got into a Groove a. bit yeah I mean it's probably fine I. haven't got I listened to the one I. listen to I thought was fine that was. good the second one I went back and I. was like oh I get it maybe that was it. yeah the second one was fine so I'm. quite glad that they but your point was. about so yeah I think they shadowbanned. me on Twitter. I can't prove. it uh Instagram I'm I'm I can put a.

picture of my I could just I can take I. could just do a selfie and put it on on. Instagram and it goes viral like I don't. know why but you know if I say I've got. alipa and I'm feeling sad you know like. cynical what do they call that I'll put. three black dude emojis in there if you. say that they're just a spice things out. you think that would make a difference. oh yeah dude you bring a brother in it. adds some heat to the situation when I. cuz I've listened to your content and. you go close to the line I'm like I. better check out how the like what's the.

closest Theo's got to being cancelled. some of it but you've never been. cancelled I've never been can you know. like I don't like I I think a lot of. times I'm kind of like just having a. good time you get a free past I think. because you're a comedian and people are. like he's just having he's goofing. around well and you're like people know. I feel like a lot of times like you're. saying even just running in a live Tyler. for 30 seconds and getting a menthol. offer you sometimes can know where. people but didn't you used to work out. with David Duke they're harder at yeah.

and yeah we just all we did was Fitness. dude did you like what's it called did. you spot him is that the term do that. does that mean something I don't know if. it means anything beyond the fact that. you're right there assisting him in that. moment would he be like hey Thea would. you spot me would what could he bench he. was strong was he he was strong I mean. he did you try and beat were you trying. to be a positive influence on him or. would that would that have been. inappropriate no I was using steroids I.

think at the time I was just trying to. freaking be jacked out there dude I was. trying to flirt with this chick dude his. girl was so she was just a gorgeous she. didn't do anything at the restaurant. like she worked there but I don't even. know if she knew what her job was she. was just so pretty people would just do. everything for her you know like one of. those maidens or whatever you know did. you but did you you would have been what. 19 20 did you and you knew he was like. politically I well I'd seen they used to. have signs in in Louisiana it was David.

Duke versus Edwin Edwards and he was a. Fame history of famed um political. figure in Louisiana who had stolen tons. of money like most of them and his the. the campaign slogan was don't vote for. the racist vote for the crook those were. the posters so you knew I'm surprised he. authorized that but I think people would. rather be stolen from at the people. would rather be stolen from than have a. little bit of racism be going on but. Duke got a majority of the white vote he.

might have done okay yeah I don't. remember that's a good question what was. the runoff vote between David Duke or. the David Duke and D Duke he he he got. the whatever was it the Republican. nomination like he ran for Senate did he. really yeah he got and then got the. majority of the white vote in the race. in the final when I knew him he was just. doing chest and tries you know like. that's what he was doing was he yeah I. don't even know if yeah how do you yeah. I'm trying to work out and be I'm trying. to get more. Hench as you get older you lose muscle.

mass I know that's scary about want be. attractive for my wife oh Nancy oh. Nancy um what does it say can does it I. can't I can't even read that but. basically oh was he the Democrat no in. 75 he lost to Kenneth. asger in. 79 he was the Republican and Ben Bennett. Johnson is that it he was the in he got. 40 Duke got 43% to 53 yeah not bad. United States Senate election I mean.

that's. wild I don't know if at that time was he. still that guy though I don't he may. have been he. was yeah I mean there's a lot of old. there's a lot of racism in the South you. know and there's a lot of racism that. goes both ways in the South too there's. a lot of black folks that do not like. white people for. real tons. dude tons. it always gets looked at as the other. way only but there's a lot of like but.

they're they're making they're making up. for lost time I agree that there's some. of that in there for. sure they're like I agree we got to get. Simone back but documentary is called No. sometime one of the tough things you're. have now is there's so much crime in a. lot of the black communities and it's. very unfortunate I've made documentaries. about gangster rap yeah I made a couple. and one was in well I wish they were. just rapping unfortunately a lot of. these men are shooting each other for no. reason it's rapping seems like the only. heart man two of my good friends have.

died my black friends have died from. it's the only part of Show Business. where like died from being killed. obviously but sorry died from just. miscellaneous other men shooting them. for no reason it seems like it's the. only branch of Show Business where. actually killing someone is not. necessarily a career Ender right rap. music mhm that's a good call right. because you look at uh Gucci man. he killed someone they said yeah well it. was self-defense yeah and no one really.

minded yeah well what's his name um just. shot killed someone at a Walmart not. long ago who was that bwin. huh. again that would be like okay now that's. hilarious dude thank you for that okay. that was awesome. dude Alec. Baldwin every week he's [ __ ] shooting. somebody and he wasn't even shooting a. movie he just [ __ ] and I think that's. his defense he's like I thought we were.

shooting a movie you know like come on. that's crazy that's too much I love how. he's on trial for this they G him a gun. he [ __ ] shoots it yeah and the person. who gave it to him it's just the whole. thing is just bad news but yeah somebody. just killed somebody at a Walmart and. they're getting off oh the baby did yeah. the baby yeah and I heard he was in the. adult section that's the crazy part. okay that's enough of that um I was.

going to say though it's a great. documentary that you get and the truth. is is the part one of the things the. that his mom Daisy says at the end he. like but now like he he still hasn't. recovered he. masturbates and and if you and she. basically blames Anna for the fact that. um him started she's caught she's caught. uh Derek jacking off and you're thinking. like he's a 35y old man living at home. what kind of world is she living in that.

she thinks that's pathological do you. know what I mean right like what what El. like what else would he be doing at home. you know in his bedroom by all day with. no girlfriend yeah um I just put two. extra Ottomans in the middle of the room. and let him figure it out you know to be. honest with you it's what a lot of kids. need you know if he's at that that stage. in his wellbeing send in like I don't. know if this is like. considered kosher or not but aren't. there nurses who can do that and by the.

way a nurse can be a man or a woman but. aren't there nurses that can go in and. and isn't that part of therapy like that. you would agree that you would be. allowed like someone would do a milking. of them. yeah yeah I don't see how that's not a. service right you can get oh dude you. can get somebody to deliver you like a a. damn power tools at midnight but I can't. get somebody to come up. over and relieve my cousin Ricky or. something at 2 2: in the.

afternoon I totally agree with you. though that in Holland you know how. Holland's ahead on all this stuff they. they would they they do that I think in. Belgium probably bring that up if. anybody's milking I don't know what the. term is really if some people are. exasperating the um I think it's called. there is a word for there's a polite. word there's a kind of medical word that. makes it sound okay very British yeah if. people are um like yeah manual relief or.

or. assisted ejaculat assisted ejaculation. bring that up actually no that's GNA. [ __ ] and I'm 22 days off of. pornography right now so are you oh. thank you thank God how does that. longest I've been in a long time how. does that feel and you're in a hotel too. where are you in a BNB I'm in a hotel oh. I'll I'll yeah I'll doesn't matter what. kind of place I'm in I'll bust yeah but. I haven't been what why not 22 days off.

of. masturbation something like that and off. of pornography um I just have gotten. into like this this other program I have. like a kind of a per I got to check in. and make sure just like I just don't. want to do it anymore yeah I I wasn't. having a problem with it but it just had. been a long part of my life where it's. like oh this is Habitual and I don't. like it how does it make you feel not. doing it it makes me feel more empowered. and it makes me feel proud like a little. bit there's a part of me that makes me. that feels proud of myself is that crazy.

to say. that you could get a bumper sticker or. something I wonder the best way of. honoring that like a little I was say. bump me too. hard proudly what do say proudly 50 days. noning off what would be uh yeah is. there a support group for that there. are there is yeah cuz a lot of it's just. about like just making sure you're not. looking at I just want that stuff. influencing my thoughts and feelings cuz. then you start to like whenever intrudes.

into daily life 100% well when you're. engaged in sex you think of it in like. frames of shot you're not even involved. in like the a real connection with. someone you know and after years of that. and stuff it's just for me it was really. unhealthy so what are your vices now. then vaping probably drawing pictures of. tits a lot of times like if I'm sitting. around and I'm with a napkin or. something I notice I'll just look down. and sudden there like six or seven sets. of breasts or whatever tits or whatever. some people call them tits I call them.

that um what else having some chocolates. probably not drink you don't drink at. all M what about are you California. sober mm you know that term yeah you can. still smoke pot yeah and take mushrooms. too no i' I've done like the micro doing. or whatever and I've done iasa you know. have you and that's really fascinating. that's fascinating D you want to see. something you never thought could happen. on Earth go try that it's like getting. abducted by aliens it's almost as crazy. as that I'm scared you you've never been.

abducted by aliens I don't. know which is I think what any good man. should answer Lou yeah right it's. possible I'm a little scared of it the. aashka because the people I've spoken to. they're like yeah it is really heavy and. and they'll say and the person next to. me they were like it was a pretty good. trip but the person next to me was. screaming and and and and thought they. were dying so that kind of harshed my. mellow a little bit and I'm thinking I. might be that guy yeah that person could. have also just been Scottish as well you.

know cuz I know they can get very. verbose at times think so yeah the Scots. well the whole thing is fascinating to. me about the British um no I think you. would love it man did we get anything on. car fenel 10,000 times more powerful. than morphine a 100 times more potent. than fenel I told you the presence of. car fenel in Alyssa us rug Market is. caused for concern as and that's the. nice thing if you're going to do cocaine. come to England what's it look at the.

chemical formula is. c24 H20. n203 I mean look up a little bit more. carenel go to go to uh Wikipedia right. there who would you would just have to. walk past it effects and side effects in. humans are similar to those of other. opioids and include Euphoria relaxation. pain relief pupil constriction sedation. slowed heart rate low blood pressure. lower body temperature you know a lot of. people choke to death when they take. these drugs because they then they're on.

it they think they're okay they eat the. muscles in their throat don't work right. and then they choke and they choke to. death so you just imagine you're having. a piece of chicken and you love. it and you can't swallow it you tried to. swallow it you did the. normal your [ __ ] neck is breaks down. that's hide yes you don't you wouldn't. think you'd be that hungry you know what. I mean like it's like I'm I'm I'm higher.

than I've ever been but what I really. want is a chicken. sandwich seems a strange you know what I. mean yeah it really does like I'm still. not happy. yeah I don't know no I think yeah that's. a very but every now and then you'll be. shocked sometimes when you'll try to do. some food when you're high you're just. surprised you're like oh I didn't. that's the worst I remember I'd be all. coked up or something then make a nice. meal and then I want to eat it just.

[ __ ] do more drugs but it's exciting. being on Netflix with the with the doc. and um for us like it took us six years. to make this I mean that was just to and. I into I joined Nick like Nick had. already been the director had already. been making it for a couple of years wow. so like it's a 8 n year journey and to. finally land it not just in the UK cuz. it came out here first but on on a big. streamer like Netflix feels feels big. for us feels like a thrill um I know you.

you've got your specials on Netflix. they're the big game they're the big. game in town now yeah they're good it's. definitely did you have a good. experience with them yeah I think so. they actually made us they told the fans. like that were coming to shoot at the at. the comedy special the last one that. they had to have covid vaccinations like. the did like literally three days before. last time really so or maybe even no. joke two days before and I thought that. that was kind of [ __ ] weird yeah you. know what so everyone so it wasn't. enough that you get tested you actually.

had to get Ved right for real and so. that made a lot of people be like [ __ ]. them you know I mean people love Netflix. but at the same because we're addicted. to it but at the same time I think. people um there's well here's one of the. things I noticed personally like so I. went to the last Blockbuster did you. ever have Blockbuster videos here of. course beautiful yeah I used to use it a. lot that was Netflix before Netflix 100%. and it's still functioning you can go in. there it looks just like the ones you. used to have there's a kind of. disgruntled person behind the desk one.

thing I noticed about that Blockbuster. is the autonomy you have when you're I. think I don't know if autonomy is word. but the amount of just you when you're. walking around looking there's so many. options of things to look at and see. you're like oh I forgot about this I'd. love to see this look at this and what. about this whereas once you get on to. one of the streamers it's really only. what they want you to see like you have. to unless you know exactly what you're. looking for right but before but it's so. hard for our brain to keep all that.

catalog so for them to have all that. catalog but you don't really get to. peruse it really it was a total. different experience like and the joy. you felt kind of finding something a. little bit physically like oh let's. watch this and things you never even. thought existed anymore you know so then. you kind of get channeled into only what. is happening now in a way so I think. it's also going to be tougher for movies. to become Classics um or like build up. that Indie fervor sometimes you're.

definitely a victim of the algorithm and. that's a soft kind of influence it's not. censorship obviously but what it is is a. kind of curating of your experience. obviously they want you to watch as much. as possible so they don't want to feed. you things you don't like yeah but it. keeps you in your lane a little bit is. is this is the risk yeah but maybe. they'll have like when they get further. along with um things like VR you will be. able to kind of go inside the TV right. and look around on the shelves that.

would be amazing don't you think you. would hope that that's what they're. headed towards because yeah just that. experience was so it just brought me. back to oh I have some say in what I. choose whereas this felt like I don't. have as much say I I'm I I was though I. was one of those guys who would rent. something and then weeks would go by and. I would still not have watched it I. think I had Blade Runner for like 3. weeks and did that that'll get that gets. expensive oh yeah it would Stack Up and. you'd be embarrassed taking it back yeah.

and you'd say give me a come on give me. a break and sometimes they would bring. it down a little bit sometimes they give. you some snow caps or something I'm like. I need a [ __ ] Financial break here. but do you remember like when they. you're probably too young but when. videos first came along and it was a new. technology it was kind of like before. Blockbuster everyone everyone thought I. could make money with this so you would. pop into the dry cleaners and then have. little v a video section or your or the. the 7-Eleven or like the local candy.

shop right and and they'd have a little. like 15 video library you know what I. mean I didn't know that yeah it was. weird that's awesome and then there was. a wino and they're like you know we. should this is ridiculous we need to. have some place that just does that we. had a place called Pat shrimp and video. and you could get you a pound of shrimp. and get you a movie over there in. Covington yeah it was nice dude get you. a little bit of shrimp get you a little. film or something you know what you'll. find over here is the I think the. chocolate's a little bit better 100% And. if you go in and no disrespect and maybe.

they one of your sponsors but Hershey. Hershey's chocolate I'm not a big fan of. and me neither honestly and I'll say. that out loud yeah come on [ __ ] those. guys well it's just [ __ ] chocolate what. are you [ __ ] making for people I. think if. I I actually think and you can check. this they could not legally sell that as. chocolate in the EU wow because they'd. be like there's not enough chocolate in. the chocolate yeah right I'm serious oh. 100% you know the cocoa content would be. they'd be like this is vilet we can call. it vilet if you want to call it co.

Hershey's vilate but we can't call it. chocolate yeah uh because it tast it's. very sweet but it doesn't have the. richness yeah like we can call it. African-American butter if you want you. know and like well it doesn't need to be. racialized we just need it to be actual. chocolate you know you would think. though also in America that has had a. lot of history with African-Americans. you think at least they would put the. appropriate amount of african-amer in. the chocolate dude that's the kind of.

[ __ ] that pisses me off um Hershey's. lawsuit sparked British Revolt for. Superior Cadbury chocolate but I will. say this when you walk into some of the. chocolateers that are in Britain it. feels like you are oh yeah it feels. Regal it feels Royal it feels real. Imperial and if you go to Belgium forget. about it really yes I mean it's. ridiculous like it's actually it's like. being in Tiffany like a jewelry store. it's that it's so rolent of class and.

kind of ghoul values and and the things. are Exquisite like they just make. beautiful objects out of the chocolate. presentations yeah the presentation is. off the scale yeah we have have you. tried Revels do you know what try some. Revels while you're over here good it's. a it's a mixture of different I I just. like you don't know what you're going to. get when you put your hand in and then. they used to have like they have raisin. one like a crunchy kind honeycomb one. there'd be uh an orange one a coffee one.

and they used to have a peanut one oh. yeah and then they have to they had to. they discontinued that because of the. allergy issues yeah but those people we. don't need them on Earth I think people. would say like the joke was like you. know people with allergies would use it. like it was Russian Roulette oh I love. that you know I have one I don't know if. this is going to kill me or not the. thrill I don't know if anyone actually. would that but a little part I'm not. going to be the guy who's like is is. health and safety gone mad I mean we.

don't want people to die from eating a. chocolate but a little part of me was. like what so we can't have [ __ ]. peanut Rebels anymore just because. that's a huge part I think at a certain. point you have to go with the status quo. I was in a movie theater once and and I. was I was I had my uh I think I had pick. and mix you know what that is okay you. just select different sweets and candies. you know bit of them bit of them but you. make your own bag okay I was like this. is going to be and I I sat down to eat.

the sweets and and the woman in front of. me and says um sorry just to say um my. my son has a peanut allergy so if you. wouldn't eat any of your sweets I'd. appreciate. it so of course I'm like um oh of course. yeah not a problem I don't want someone. to die because of me in the theater but. but I was also thinking like what I. can't eat my. sweets yeah dude that's. Inc who do they think you are John.

wilk's Booth or something it's not your. [ __ ] responsibility to keep this kid. alive it's her responsibility but what. if I go and sit over there like nope no. that's not good. enough okay dude yeah that kind of stuff. you know what I did and we can cut this. bit out man I went I went to I went to. far away in the theater and then I I ate. them I ate them yeah and part of you eat. them out of spite almost in a bit of. course no I ate them cuz I wanted to eat. them yeah but some of you with each one.

you were like oh that little mother. [ __ ] couldn't handle. these yeah you're just firing them over. towards him um let me think about what. else oh do you think um what's on your. mind these days Lou like what's what's. something when you think about got a. podcast uh on Spotify I went the Rogan. route are you on Spotify yes are you but. you're only on Spotify no I don't I. don't I don't have a deal but they can. put you on there yeah and they don't pay. you nope wow I know you're making it.

sound like a horrible situation but we. are but we just put it on there just to. be everywhere yeah you're not a Spotify. pod I'm a Spotify podcast oh nice the. Lou through. podcast um so I've been doing that um. and then I've got new shows coming up. I've got stuff that's on oh I mean we my. big thing is I Diversified so I started. making more stuff behind the scenes so. I've got a series do you remember the. Challenger um explosion yeah a lot of. people said those people are still alive.

recently where are they huh where would. they be bring some of that up people. have been saying that can you say. Challenger people still alive we we did. a whole do you have it is this what it. yours is about it's not about according. to us they're dead according to our. research did I say Challenger I meant. Colombia okay Colombia sorry I I [ __ ]. up Colombia is the one that it was in. 2001 oh yeah those people are dead the. Challenger people I think are alive.

though Challenger is the one that. exploded on takeoff Colombia exploded on. re-entry no yeah and not only that they. had I wouldn't say they knew but they. had an inkling that something might go. wrong and they decided not to tell the. astronauts no and so the big the. question at the heart of it is what what. could they have done differently. um could they have sent another rocket. up and and taken take you know taken the.

people out in a space walk and bring. them back home you know in in in the. other rocket like send up a Russian. rocket right could they have fixed it. done a space walk and fix the bit that. they thought might be damaged um so. there's a lot of questions around how it. could have been handled so that so I. would actually I wasn't an exec on it. but my company made that we're very. proud of that series wow uh and then. we've got one about lockaby and we do a. lot of heavy stuff do you know what. lockaby is lockaby that's not the.

Lochness Monster is it no but it is in. Scotland it was it was a village and a. plane it was a PanAm plane that was. flying from London to New York I believe. and had a lot of uh American and British. people on it including a whole bunch of. students from Syracuse University I. believe and um it was bombed and there's. a lot of conspiracy theories around that. or theories as to what happened so we. made a four-part documentary that one's. going to be on CNN so anyway I've been.

making a ton of different and it's a do. you do any behind the scenes stuff like. do you do you have people you're. mentoring or do you have like a. production um no right now we've just. been this doing this sort of thing you. know I would like to sometimes I think. about doing some different like I've had. just some thoughts you know about stuff. you know like sometimes maybe about like. Alzheimer's learning about that maybe um. I made a documentary about that that's. an interesting yeah it was called. Extreme love dementia and about the ways. uh yeah it's about how how how we can.

best look after people with dementia. yeah um a lot of them are very happy. like not to sound weird about no I I. think it's fine if they think they're. young or a child or whatever you know I. don't know but it's just about making. them okay and comfortable you know yeah. you just got to let them be them I mean. that sounds a bit glib but you you know. if they say one of them was a he was a. doctor no he was a dentist. and he was in this memory Support. Facility in in in Phoenix. Arizona uh surrounded by nurses and.

other very old people and fairly old. people and he he'd been a military. dentist and he was like I'm on this base. I'm I'm a dentist it's I'm doing. something dentl I know that like I'm. like really you don't you mustn't. contradict them because that creates. distress oh confusion you're like okay. and then you change the subject so he. thought he was still working as a. dentist um fixing people teeth and if he. was distressed you would say to him um. hey Gary would you mind taking a look at. my teeth and then he'd do like he'd do a.

dental inspection and then he'd forget. what was bothering him so look's this in. this bit we can see he's trying to get. out he's like I want to. leave I want to go through this door MH. but it says push and the alarm will. sound and he's getting agitated and then. I'm like hey get an Indian or something. you know you're always going to be an. Indian would you take a quick look at my. teeth yes sir I would they're not very. clean though well I know you're a Brit. aren't you yeah well you guys don't. clean your teeth like me I.

know B down please you got good. occlusion and no he's fine know you're. AC cross right back there yeah I. wouldn't do anything about it CU it's. not going to hurt you now oh he might be. yeah sounds like somebody that's. checking in a animals too like he could. be breeding dogs or whatever some of the. commentary he gave there um. he's but the point being he's you like. he's happy and he's living in his own. world he's in a he's in a fictional.

reality of his own memories yeah and. it's kind of amazing I wanted to do. something called like children of the. porn right it was like children that. were conceived on pornography sets. during the shootings right I think. that's not many though do you think I. think you got to get at least seven or. eight of them you only need a decent bat. hard to prove as well because there's so. you know if you're a working porn. performer. um you're going to be doing at least. three or four scenes a week maybe more. maybe not during a strike season maybe.

if you went and looked during a strike. during a scare when there's like someone. tests positive and they shut down so. there were only a couple of shoots that. year that month and if yeah I don't know. just something that I thought have you. got an only fans no I. don't I don't have it and I'm glad I. don't what else did I think about oh. morning sex maybe a documentary about. that how did we get here you know. um like sex because you're bereaved and. you're in mourning no mour sex no you're.

talking about like funeral F like Po. funeral sex or whatever I can't get out. of my grief yeah like um or but you mean. sex in the morning in the morning the. angle I just think I don't care what it. is it's just probably just uh I think. [ __ ] somebody right after they woke. up is pretty sick I think you know sick. in as in good no no oh cuz sick means. good now oh yeah well I think it just if. they now it went back now it's bad again. yeah anyway I'm coasting out of that all. of that stuff yeah yeah I'm pretty old.

well I think it just also you part of. you lose his interest in some of that as. well I'm on the other side of the Hill. yeah well your penis you've done all the. tricks you can do with it I'm just. trying to stay alive yeah you know what. I mean I'm. retreating you know what like gradually. everything is it's about we just need to. focus on getting to the next day yeah do. you feel um. accomplished yeah you're not supposed to.

say yes but I do I do because it's a. really cool thing to say I think it's. important I I don't think I you know. there people have done way more. obviously stuff than me but because I've. been so lucky with uh the career that. I've had and I think maybe because of. the when I came along it was like there. was various things happening in TV and. and documentaries and it was kind of. like it just there was an opening like. there was no one who' done kind of like.

well there was just wasn't that guy like. that he's kind of a little bit. cerebral but he likes to joke around and. he's curious about this and he's a good. listener and he makes and then the BBC. gave me like they just like just keep. making those programs and they didn't. really even check up on me and suddenly. like 15 years went by and had made 50. programs and I basically i' covered. everything I mean there's still stuff. out there but there's so much I've you. like I've done a prison I've done jails.

I've done a maximum security mental. hospital for pedophiles I've done most. of the high crime areas like let say. most of but I've done Philadelphia. Milwaukee Johannesburg. Lagos uh I've covered so much I feel. like I've had this huge privilege this. gift. and uh it's pretty cool I don't want. that to sound weird I don't think it. does no no I well it's just a lot of. times especially I think in the US we.

don't feel that you never hear someone. talk about okay I feel accomplished but. you know it's always just like this. NeverEnding thing that is but I'm trying. to make myself okay with slowing down as. well obviously by one metric no like I'm. not you know I grew up in a household. where we valued Shakespeare me again. welcome. B and so for me I accomplished my dad's. a writer yeah uh he's a travel writer he.

lives in Hawaii and also Cap Cod in the. summer and he's written like 60 or 70. novels and travel books like he's off. the charts accomplished um so and you. know and the people we looked up to when. I was growing up people like um you know. just great literary figures like James. Joyce or F scotf Irving John Irving he. wouldn't have been he would have been. too close in age to my dad so my dad. would have probably I never read John.

Irving but if it was let's say Hemingway. or um faler right thinking I'm. mentioning a southern right do you know. who Charles Portis is he wrote True Grit. oh wow and he was from I believe Little. Rock Arkansas he's a southerner and he's. dead now brilliant writer he everything. he wrote is a kind of classic of a Kind. so he he was a he wasn't a he was just. someone who my dad was like you should. read Charles por is like True Grits well. known but his other books are equally.

good if not better so I read three of. his books but my point is just and I. totally recommend them one is called. Norwood another one is called the dog of. the. South and uh so so it by by that metric. no I'm I'm not accomplished because I'm. not I'm not a I'm Not A Gifted writer. I'm just uh a a TV presenter I'm not. even really a documentary maker really. like I'm not a director I'm the guy who. works with a director and we say hey I'd. love to go to a prison and then the team.

says we'll make that happen for you and. they go and you know they figure out how. we get in and then we get amazing access. for two three weeks right or in a cult. or in a or in the world of adult film or. or the far right some Far Right group. but you're the right amount of curious. though but I'm curious and in a sense by. being a little bit. scattershot uh a little bit not ready. for prime. time a little bit unfocused maybe a tiny. bit I don't know what it maybe ADHD I'm.

not sure what it is I don't want to. medicalize it but whatever that is like. a I I get impatient I get Twitchy and. and that and then so the people who are. focused and on it can get me in there. and by Dent of their. work um I've created uh I've made I've. been part of making these programs it's. cool yeah I've been trying to I'm trying. to rad back from saying I'm accomplished. I've already regret I don't feel I feel. like it's you very lightly said very. lucky yeah you very lightly said well. most people view you as extremely.

accomplished so I just think it's. interesting to hear your thoughts on. that um the pedophilia man what' you. learn about it because now sometimes. people are saying that it's you know the. next big business or whatever in what. way like it's like the next Apple. computer or whatever you know what I'm. saying just grow I mean I feel like it's. like in America there's like there's. there's that NAMBLA group there's people. trying to like legalize it there's. saying that the Romans Romans yeah. Romans did it Greeks I think famously. was Greeks wasn't it um and they said.

that was normal in those days and then. um there was Nan I remember seeing a. documentary when I was coming up I used. to live in New York and there was a. place called Kim's video talking about. Blockbuster Kims was like the it was Way. Beyond Blockbuster they had everything. and they had every kind of film and they. were organized by director that' be. kurasawa Spielberg. I don't know Jean Renoir like or like. some obscure stuff that you wouldn't see. anywhere El you know go into Blockbuster.

and say where's your kurasawa section. they'd be like you know yeah oh Sor we. we'll give you some snow. cares but Kims had everything and and in. the 90s when I was coming up I was. working as a print journalist and you'd. go down to Kims and it was like an. education in film and they had a. documentary section that had incredible. like one film they had that I want to. mention you may even even have seen it. was called dream deceivers have you. heard about it and it was about two kids. who listened to a lot of um is it Black.

Sabbath no Judas Priest and they had a. song called Suicide Solution and the two. kids decide like uh they think the. lyrics are saying Suicide Solution just. do it and so they're like yeah we need. to um we need to commit. suicide I know it's very heavy and they. and they kill M themselves no yeah and. then one of them doesn't manage to do it. he just shoots off the lower half of his. face so he's interviewed in the.

documentary I got to see that but he. can't really speak properly and um and. then Judas priests are prosecuted by the. kids parents I think saying like it's. your fault it's because of the lyrics. and and then Rob hord from judah's. priest is on the witness stand. explaining like it's not you know we. just made a song He's from Birmingham. isn't he so we just made a song and it. wasn't supposed to tell anyone to I. can't [ __ ] you know what I'm talking. about that's very fair and it's a very.

it's a and I remember seeing that and. thinking this is so [ __ ] up this is. exactly the kind of thing I'm really. curious about and it's dark and it's. upsetting and there's the kid he's he's. died since then oh man I got to learn. about that we just had a group on called. the suicide boys and they um they had a. pack when they were young if they didn't. make it that they were going to commit. suicide make it as what as white rappers. so I mean it was a [ __ ] let's just.

say the deck was stacked against him but. there's some there's some pretty good I. feel like down south there's is it Bubba. Sparks Bubba Sparks he was on one time. Bubba Sparks a really neat guy is he. still going he had some pill addiction. he still does do some work though he. still does work some but there's a lot. of um there's a lot of white rappers out. of the UK now oh yeah I would say white. and black very talented they back the UK. drill scene Central C Central C did you.

have him on Central C no I thought about. reaching out to him but do it we had Ed. Sheeran and KSI and you and I felt like. it was a good that's a great mix I like. feel very flattered to be in that. company what's the I mean I feel very. flattered to be in that company so but. on the on the on the Kim because you. were talking about pedophiles being the. next big thing in Tech which I didn't. fully understand but you're I don't know. if I said that exactly you said was like. the next Apple product Oh yeah I was. just saying like it's like it's become. this thing in America it's like it just.

seems like they try to make it seem more. Norm like well so the thing was I was. going to say was was there this. documentary that in this in Kim's in the. documentary section and it was about ner. it's called chicken hawk all I was going. to say on that was so back in the day. ner was big Alan Ginsburg the poet I'm. not trying to like what's throw shade on. him or whatever no brilliant beat poet. bun beloved but he was a member of ner I. believe you can check that but uh and. Howard Stern in the '90s always used to. have you know how you would have people. on who he had a clan guy who would come.

on and he make fun of him and he had a. ner guy he would have on so my point is. just like nbl's been around chicken H. men who love boys it's a very weird. documentary where they spend time with a. couple of guys or one guy from ner and. they're just talking to him figuring out. what makes him tick what's going on with. him. and did you confirm the Alan. Ginsburg yeah let's look back and just. bring up Alan Ginsburg I just want to. make sure there were referencing yeah we.

don't want to make someone part of Namer. if they're. not well he was their celebrity like. they had one celebrity you know what I. mean yeah yeah association with Namba. was a supporter and a member good enough. there we go n he a North American manboy. love Association so uh was Michael. Jackson in Namer I mean he I'm sure he. def definitely performed at some of. their. events you would think yeah. [Music].

um you can you know what have you ever. said like I went on Twitter and said. come on and we all know M Michael. Jackson was a petophile like we've seen. the program and even before that like. there was no shortage of evidence like. his music's still great obviously but. let's not be silly about let's not be in. denial about what's happening and I got. you get so. much uh comeback really on on Twitter. like on X from that does that surprise. you like no I'll say I'm I'm going to.

tweet that as soon as we get out of here. just to remind people yeah I was really. surprised there's people who are still. like I you know like that's so shocking. that you would say that about Michael. I'm like what which Michael Jackson are. you talking about dude are you talking. about no but your so your so I don't. think they're trying to normal but my. perception my I saw when I went to to. linga it's a maximum security mental. hospital for sexually violent Predators. is the term and they go around in beige.

suits and it's a hospital so they can't. punish the men there right it's it's a. legal requirement it's a hospital so. they they're not incarcerated on the. grounds of serving a sentence they've. done at least two significant terms in. prison for sexual offenses and then two. psychiatrists have. said yeah we're not ready for you to. come out and they're like hang on WE. I've done my time what are you talking. about I've done I've done 15 years and. they're like yeah but you're mentally.

ill and they're like I'm not mentally. ill they're like I I'm just a pedophile. that's their oh I see right they're like. I don't have delusions and which is OB. is in a weird way is a kind of medical. arguably a psychiatric gray area right. cuz they saying I know I'm a pedophile. it's not like I'm in the yeah like oh. I'm not a pedophile yeah or some of them. are like and I don't mean to be like but. they're like I mean I uh cuz some of. them are. rapists and they're like but I'm a.

rapist why are you putting me in like. but I did my time for that and also why. are you putting in me me in with these. pedophiles right and and and and they. you know saying I committed a crime but. that doesn't mean I can't and like why. are you letting out murderers but you. won't let me out but the argument goes. like well because you're mentally ill. according to metrics due to to being a. pedophile so anyway so they're there and. they're like well I'm not going to. they're like and if when if you spend a.

long long enough here uh and do enough. treatment will let you out and they're. like no you won't oh no you won't so. none of them very few of them. proportionally are doing the treatment. ah but they they can't be punished so. they play in jazz combos they're getting. they're playing tennis doing art. therapy they can have porn on H uh they. can vote I'm going to vote for Obama you. know what I mean um they're they're.

living lives like in in a it's too. strong to say Country Club style but. like a relatively Pleasant uh mental. facility and everyone in there is a PD. file or a uh or a they've been or a. rapist they're Predator sexual predator. sexually violent Predator the term. violent implies like. oh they beat you up but it some of it's. grooming it's a kind of legal definition. of VI and then they play softball they.

play a lot of softball wow they now if. they live stream that people would pay. to watch that and they sell their hair. they would you think so I don't know and. a hotbeat why watching pedophiles play. softball it looks a lot like anyone else. playing yeah but still every now and. then it's going to get a little weird. and people are like ah look at that you. know people would pay you'd be surprised. I think of what people would pay for I. wouldn't pay for it I don't think I. would look at the highlights or whatever. if it was on Sports it be like on ESPN. 5 like one of the real you know like and.

and lawnmower lawn mower races with the. dog shows on there dog shows are lawn. mower races I'm saying lawn mower race. is like it's French but that's probably. mainstream you know what I mean like and. and yeah there they are that's the worse. do you think this is a born sickness or. a learned thing do you think uh I would. say according to what I was told um a. bit of both I think but I think there's. a um a component. where it's what they term a paraphilia.

like it's just it's like you can't. actually cure it you know the term cure. any more than any other I was told like. it's a like a sexual orientation which. isn't in any way to attempt to normalize. it because uh it's just the idea is like. actually this is just something they are. not even how like something they ah so. so and and they need and and and even.

like and and what they they have to and. they what they do is they convince. themselves that there's no victims like. that the kids are um okay with it a bit. like Michael Jackson right my theory. with Michael Jackson is that the whole. time he was trying to tell us what he. was like every interview he would say. like I I sleep in the bed with kids it's. love what's wrong with that you know. like in other words like he was always. trying to come out you know what I mean. he talking in his Diane Sawyer interview.

or is Michael with Martin is Martin. bashier interview there might have been. was there an Oprah one he just wouldn't. shut up about. it yeah I think it had to get it yeah he. had to find some way for it to let. people know he probably was a nice guy. who also had this Affliction you know. that's the craziest thing about a lot of. things it seems like that you. investigate a lot of the stuff you. investigate or these people it's not. like they're some of them could be. practicing I think the kids took I think. it took the kids a while to realize.

they'd been abused as well yeah they. thought they were just having fun with. Michael Jackson I don't mean to sound. like no well I think you know what I. mean yeah well I think it all just goes. to what you believe is okay you don't. know you know what I'm saying. like yes in the over in the bigger scope. of things yes it seems It's really. messed up and we were able see that but. at the time if you're there and you're. in it and nobody's told you that it's. bad or you haven't told anybody that. it's happened I can I tell you I've. never said this before but I heard a a.

theory that um you know Michael Jackson. was on an episode of The. Simpsons I didn't know that and they. pulled it it was an uncredited guest. Cameo as a mentally ill man who thinks. he's Michael. Jackson does that ring a bell it's a. really great episode you can't see it. now they pulled it but the theory I. heard was that he agreed to be on the. Simpsons on the one condition that he. could spend the night with Bart. Simpson so they had to write that into.

the script no. way so in the episode he's um he spends. the night with Bart and um they stay up. all night writing a song together called. happy birthday called happy birthday. Lisa I think oh this looks like it right. here yeah wow I don't know but that I. it's uh oh was like can I spend the. night with Bard in the episode yeah. wow but be because why would he do that. though unless he's trying to in some way.

normalize. um adults and kids spending the night. together unless he's trying to eat that. eat my shorts you know or whatever God. it's crazy yeah that's what I wonder. with like a lot of the Epstein stuff and. stuff it's like are we is there this o. overall Master arcing thing that's like. leading us into this. like depravity world or did people. always used to behave that way I don't. know I feel like uh it was always it.

used to be like you know in this country. in the UK we used to have page three. girls and you could be 16 and be a page. three goal and you know that's it's. arguably porn like they're topless uh. they don't do it anymore but you know 16. is very young and um but like to have. that in your National newspaper there's. a topless 16-year-old they changed the. law in around 2003 my point is just that.

I think in a weird way uh it was more. normal in the past to fail to to fail to. police in appropriate relation like. there was more sense of like IND you. know when you look at all the Roman. palansky stuff yeah or stuff that was. happening in um the 60s and 70s I think. nowadays I almost feel like um the. Epstein thing is a distraction I mean I. might be being naive I feel like they're. trying to make out obviously he was a. terrible guy right who was grooming and. molesting teenagers but um I almost feel.

like they're trying to make it like make. us all feel like there's this VIP and. maybe there are but I feel like it's all. most of that stuff's actually happening. in PL look at the stuff that's going on. in the regular porn industry you know. what I mean they don't really need to. hide it yeah that's yeah well it's part. of it it's like yeah it's like. well I think it makes starts to make. people think that okay the rich and. Elite are like on the island I don't. really I mean the island the idea of the.

islands kind of appealing wow what did. they and like Island always adds. Mystique yeah it adds a Mystique he had. a private island like what are they. doing out there what they doing and then. people would fly out there I think they. were probably out there just eating. chicken wings and you know what being. rich and it was probably quite. boring yeah you know what I mean unless. was a group of dudes cuz I've been. around some real rich people and you. start you know a lot of them do like. they'll go on like these kind of sex. kind of really romps and tours nothing.

with I've heard that and about some of. the tech CEOs that they get together. they go to Romania or just different. places do some weird [ __ ] and shoot. Backpackers like in hosle oh yeah I. haven't heard that but I they hunt. humans because everything else it's too. tame for them at that point oh I would. believe it. though I would believe that that goes on. somewhere the um they don't value some. people at a certain levels don't value. human life at all I don't think the. scary part is like it's a bit like squid.

game if you got like a hundred desperate. people like if they were addicted to car. fenel or something and you said like one. are you going to you're all going to be. hunted of the hundred of. you maybe three are going to get shot. and killed but the rest of you will make. a great like a really big paycheck you. would probably not have any trouble. finding guys to to to agree don't you. think 100% I mean in a way it's kind of.

like what boxing is in a way because. they're saying like you're you're going. to get brain damage probably or or or a. lot of you are but you'll get a great. payday yeah and you can until you're. about 50 you probably won't notice a lot. of the side effects I'm not trying to be. down on boxing I've got of boxers but we. all know that you know there's a brain. you know brain side effects yeah no man. just interesting to think about stuff. you know it is and and and uh did you. ever get to meet Michael Jackson or no I.

shook his hand he did yeah what did his. hand feel. like very. soft he I I made a film it was the only. time I think maybe you had yeah you made. a documentary about something about yeah. it was called uh Louie and Michael or. Lou Michael and Martin or it was around. the time Martin bashier was doing his. interview and I was trying to get an. interview it's the only time I've done. one where it was in search. of so uh I didn't get that close but I.

did I did interview Joe Joe was his dad. the one who he said messed with his head. the one who because Joe would call him. all kinds of names yeah that that he. that later on people alleged that was. part of why he got his surgery cuz he. would call him pepper noose he said his. nose no I'm not going to do an. impression of show that's a bridge too. far but he was he just like he was kind. of a bully yeah then Martin bashier got. F he was the guy who did the interview.

with Lady Princess Diana do you know all. of that and then turned out he got it on. false pretenses by forging a document. and that was why Princess Diana Princess. Diana thought the intelligence Services. were snooping on her based on that so. she agreed to do an interview with. Martin Basher there's Majestic. magnificent he so he was Michael's um. personal. magician wow so that right there so you. could say like what that's the best you. could do is talk to his magician but you.

could also say like. well who has a magician that's pretty. cool to have a personal magician and um. God he must have been just so. brokenhearted or in so much self-pity he. also and brokenhearted who Michael yeah. or something just wrong deranged with. him yeah to have a personal magician you. need Ali had a personal magician same. guy I think or. maybe maybe it wasn't his personal I. mean I he lived with the Jackson's it's.

I could never quite is this guy still. alive he's dead sadly he was a good. magician look at that did you see. that and then Joe my thing with I. thought I said to Joe um what's going on. with Michael you know the angle I went. in one was like he looks like he needs. help like he seem he seems he's a. brilliant artist but he seems troubled. he's taking surgery the surgery too far.

and I I don't see a healthy relationship. in his life and in fact the. relationships he did have you know with. Lisa Marie Presley and what was the um. um oh uh Debbie row Debbie row was the. other one yeah who was his the he was. she was like the receptionist for his. dermatologist Arie Klein I think that's. right anyway I was like what's going. what wouldn't you like to see Michael. and this was the slightly troll like. thing I did although maybe not I said do. you know don't you want to see Michael.

happy like settled in a you know in a. consenting and happy relationship with a. man or. woman and what did he. say I think I said boyfriend a boyfriend. or girlfriend he said. boyfriend I was like yeah boyfriend or. girlfriend boyfriend and then he went. off he said you saying Michael's gay you. saying Michael's gay now and then they. they kind of went off and freaked out uh. that I might have suggested that he was.

homosexual that he was a gay man that he. was a homosexual man he could have been. I think probably like if he'd had if. he'd been able to channel his sexual. energy into consenting relationships. with men it' been fine then it's all. good I mean a lot I think of some. pedophiles when you meet them like the. guys that Co linga they're not the most. attractive men right what a surprise and. actually when I've met Peter files I've. interviewed them also doing prison.

sentences at San Quenton and um a lot of. times you feel like okay these are guys. who are socially maladapted who for them. like to have sex with I don't mean to. belittle it or like in any way. trivialize it but that's just an. opportunity for them because children. are weak and easily influenced does that. make sense yeah yeah no it does. it's yeah it's like some people pray on. women that are weak and easily. influenced some people pray on whatever. they can that's weak and easily. influenced or whatever they're able to.

assert themselves onto it's like you. know it's heartbreaking yeah we had a. decent amount of pedophiles in our area. not enough to make a softball team or. anything but we certainly they certainly. had a group of them around was it known. in those days we called them dirty old. men right mhm and it was called stranger. danger and it was dirty old men and. don't talk to Strange. or they were called flashers oh yeah do. you know what that is oh yeah I saw a. flasher once at a w store when I was a. kid my uncle dropped me off at a wine.

store and a woman flashed me it there a. woman a woman yeah and what did you how. old were you probably. 12 but I remember and were you upset by. it I don't know it was kind of like by. some I mean I've had a affinity. for Cabernet ever since I know that you. know for sure dude what does that mean I. don't know it just I remember being in. this wine store and if somebody brings. up a damn Cabernet you win store went.

yeah I mean she just and I just didn't. and my uncle was driving me after and I. told him and he went back to the win. store to look for the lady dude what a. [ __ ] pervert because he wanted to see. for sure he's a pervert dude and his. wife was on pills too what was she. wearing just a kind of a coat or. something and nothing under was she a. customer in the store she worked there I. didn't look and see if she had a receipt. or anything on her I know she was not I. don't think she did not seem like an. employee so I think she was just. somebody traveling around showing her.

body to Children you know did you like. it I was pretty or were you confused by. it were you upset I don't think I was. upset I think I was like all right all. right then oh well oh well hello yeah oh. I didn't know if I I you know what I. felt like now that I really I felt like. I didn't know if I was supposed to do. something like am I supposed to do. something now and then I felt like I. didn't respond quick enough to maybe if. I was supposed to do something and then.

I felt bad about myself a a cousin of. mine was he was this is his story to. tell but I'll tell it anyway he was in. Washington DC not that that matters oh. there was a lot of pedophiles over there. and he was and a guy called him over to. his car him and his friend I guess they. would have been maybe 11 or 12 and the. guy was in his car and he was exposing. himself in like here in his lap but you. know things happened quick and it was so. decontextualized my cousin thought that.

he was showing him his. Geral so he was like oh that's nice like. that that's cute and then they went off. and and then afterward they were like. hang on that wasn't a. Jal but you just wonder whether that was. the reaction the guy was hoping for you. know oh that's nice or whether he would. have preferred they were a little. freaked out yeah like what the [ __ ] they. I call my penis a. Geral yeah what an assho in a way like. that was the best reaction because I'm.

not you know it didn't phase him yeah I. had a guy come up to me once and he was. this was when I was 12 and it was I was. outside a wh Smith in Putney and he's. like and I used to like smiling at older. people I thought I just thought it was. yeah you're supposed to do it yeah and. like you know they're nice and you're. nice and sometimes they'll give you a. little bit of money like his 10p for. being a good boy do you know what I mean. yeah for sure he's a butterscotch or. something yeah go get yourself some. sweets and then you go oh I can't take. that they yes you can yes you can boy my.

family's all dead yeah I would you go. and take 10 here's another 20p and go. buy yourself some sweets but this guy's. like I smiled at him and he said I bet. you've got a big one uh I said I still. smiling cuz I hadn't taken it in I said. I bet you've got a big one with lots of. hairs on oh and I smil and then I went. off and then I was like and he I was. quite upset by it we used to have a dude. he'd give you 10 bucks right and he. would he'd be like 40 feet away he would.

show you his butthole and all you had to. do was look at it yeah and you got the. $10 isn't that that's a lot of money too. I thought it was a crazy amount of money. we're like yeah come back tomorrow how. long would would he be standing there. for uh it was just a quick like okay or. how did you know when he'd finished he. wasn't touching himself he would kind of. bend over and pull his buttocks apart. yeah and that's how he would see us and. make sure that we were looking through.

your legs through his legs yeah and we. would kind of um through his legs he. would show us his butthole yeah yeah. yeah I got it yeah and you'd have to. just do that and then um yeah you got. your you got 10 bucks so I had a um we. had a lot of gays that would drug. induced homosexuality in our area and it. was they would happen behind like the. rest areas along the inter interstate. and the men back there would get get in. the river back there and make out and be. high on. drugs were they were they doing it for.

the drugs or or were they already gay I. think it was a mix it was a big mix cuz. it seemed like guys that maybe lot of. that stuff's fluid like guys in prison. right and then you're like well you know. there's no gay men in prison really I. mean they're all gay you know there's no. straight depends how you look right it's. like yeah you might be in you know uh. Sherwood for you know or where did. Christopher Robin live what was that. place called Sherwood Forest Robin Hood. Robin Hood yeah you might be in the 100. Acre Wood but 100 Acre Wood okay yeah.

but you might not be a you know I don't. know I had a good analogy I can't figure. it out but the um I went to the doctor. once cuz my bum was itchy and I and it. was few weeks went by and then it was. still itchy and I was like this is weird. like I I don't know maybe there's. something wrong with it you know you. Google it and I couldn't find so I went. to the doctor and I said um I've got a. I've got a very itchy bum and um he's I. think he was French but he said I'll.

take a look at it and then he looked at. it and then that's already quite. embarrassing oh the worst and then I had. the strong. impression that he thought there was. nothing he couldn't see anything wrong. with it so I had the strong impression. he thought I was just doing it for. Thrills oh and then what am I supposed. to do about he said I he I can't see. anything I said okay well well thanks. for taking a. look it was such an unsatisfactory. encounter course and you can't call. later and be like hey can you let me. talk to that guy again apologize yeah I.

just want to say hey look man there was. nothing weird cuz then that's weird yeah. it's so hard to follow up have you ever. had testical problems where they have to. look at your balls and then no I had. erection problems though where they. would like shoot this stuff into your. wiener to see if it worked good or not. and it works immediately but it's ve but. literally the GU like with a needle just. right in your wiener and it is harrowing. dude why did you do you know why you had. that just a lot of stage right just. spright from being a kid just constant.

nervousness you know and it would just. like. um yeah that was harrowing dude so they. just needed to find out that it worked. they want to know that it like the inner. the ballast tanks or whatever work you. know and so they would shoot it up and. you're like oh it works so it's in my. head it's not in my body you know and. was it okay after that yeah it was hit. or miss for a couple years but it got. better past few years it's gotten better. just you get older things wear off even. like you're saying like your desire all.

that confusion all the [ __ ] you don't. know the paint comes off the car and. you're like all right yeah we'll just. keep driving it keep going some porn. performers use that you know oh yeah. shooting them up yeah they shoot it up. like cuz that works every time and it's. quick oh I wouldn't I would hate that. though but they used to I don't think. they do I think I think now the porn. industry is so like it's all only fans. and private people and the the big set. where there's pressure on and people are.

standing around I did a documentary way. back one of the First episodes of my. series weird weend and we followed a. young guy called JJ on his first big. shoot and I'd read a lot about how. people get anxiety and and then. everyone's standing around thinking like. we can't shoot anything until you. basically. JJ gets ready to rock W that's the term. and so and we were like we're going to. be there filming okay JJ and I didn't. mean really to put a hex on him but.

because of the nature of documentary. film making you sort of. slightly I don't know if even hoping is. a strong word but you are aware that. you're going to if you get you're going. to get a better scene if um if he fails. to get wood and there he was and he. couldn't get couldn't get it yeah oh was. he talking to it that's the worst when. you start talking to your own he was. kind of um I don't think he was talking. to it but I remember a lot of the people. he was trying to get something going and. it was just not happening God I've been.

there Budd what a nightmare and you know. but nothing on the line like he had. something on the line more recently I. saw him again he lives in he was living. in Ukraine then I think that was. about 5 years ago maybe four years but. back then he was he made there there. like he was telling me about his. techniques and he'd done. three scenes and this was his first he. like he didn't want to mess up on his. first big Studio shoot it was his first. big one yeah it was a sad situation.

that's a tough go um there's one thing I. want to ask you about before we leave oh. they just had a social media B they. wanted to put a social media disclaimer. I was looking at this I want to see what. you thought about this Louie um can you. see that in the news articles there's a. social media a surgeon general's warning. mhm on social media can you open oh I. heard about this yeah is that here or in. America or both not sure they're. basically campaigning to put a um a. surgeon's advisory or a a kind of health.

warning a Surgeon General demands. warning label on social media apps and. they're trying to make it more lock more. sort of childproof so that actually. 13-year-old cuz you can get it like my. 8-year-old got on Tik Tok when we. weren't paying attention we were on. holiday he started a Tik Tok account and. then he was going viral. we didn't even know what was going on we. were just in a restaurant in Greece you. know talking about this and that we. thought he was just playing on his iPad.

or something and then the next morning. like they came down they're like he's. gone my older kids were like he's gone. viral on his Tik Tok and there was a. picture and he filmed. himself going blah blah blah making a. weird like he obviously liked seeing. himself so he's opening closing his. mouth all and he goes I like like. [Music]. Roblox I was making a shape with his. mouth and then for some reason it kind. of lit up Tik Tok I don't know why yeah.

CU I guess you don't see many. eight-year-olds on there right no I. don't think so yeah like who gave him. this how did he do it people were giving. him bad reviews oh yeah and I'm like. like he was um he was getting like tens. tens of thousands you know like more. than a lot of stuff gets on TV yeah and. and and people were say and then one guy. was like don't harsh on the guy he' just. be vibing like kind of. Defending defending his his his. integrity and and the quality of his.

content that's crazy kid just started he. just he was only his like third post but. I'm also. thinking you know it's like. having uh a portal in your pocket like. or in your front room I you know if. you've ever if you have like a million. or a couple of million social media. followers and then you have a few drinks. it's kind I often think it's a bit like. if you had a balcony outside your front. room and you could wander out any. anytime there's two million people. standing outside so you could I'm going.

to go out there and I'm going to show. them my wiener you know like you could. do anything yeah I'm going to show them. I'm going to tell him what's up I'm tell. him how I feel right now yeah oh I got a. great joke this is funny like you can. and that's a horrendous I. accidentally like also there's famous. people in your phone and you go like. Okay Siri or you use the thing and it Go. and like I'm gonna send a text to Bill. Clinton you know what I mean like I. don't have his number but some famous. person right and you're one thumb click.

away from sending something crazy saying. something. crazy I and what if it started to do it. what if it started just like you know. what [ __ ] these people the algorith. whatever I mean we're already calling it. an algorithm calling it artificial do. inappropriate I'm going to I'm not going. to call it any but kids take they think. it's funny to do appropriate stuff. that's part of being a kid like they. have a b together and they maybe they. even if you're they have a phone and. they think it's fun like they take a. picture of maybe one of them takes a.

picture of his younger brother naked or. something I'm speaking hypothetically. and maybe they zoom in on his we his. Willie they think it's funny like. because they can show it to you or like. to their you know other brother or. something like. Lou but then one click like or they have. your social media account they put it. put that on social media now you're a. pediophile and you'll go to jail not. even joking right that would be I'd be. put in prison for that and who what. court is going to believe oh yeah I. didn't do that my son took a picture of.

his brother's wiener and then he posted. it exactly like your four-year-old son. did that exactly it's just that's the. that's at the risk and then one thing. like that is career potentially career. ending and what if the actual owners of. these corporate if they wanted to they. could just post something on your. [ __ ] account can hack into your every. you're clicking all those uh what are. the terms and conditions you know you. took the one in Samsung it was like you. have the permission to listen to. everything I say do you remember in the.

smart TV and they were. stockpiling everything you said there. there their only get out was oh we're. not listening to it we'll only listen to. it if you get into trouble like if the. president thinks you're a spy you know. or a terrorist but other than that don't. worry we're just collecting it yeah like. oh fine then. yeah right I think that's still going. that isn't even a conspiracy theory I. don't think oh I don't know did Samsung. can you bring that up man well you know. what one of my one of my beliefs is that.

a lot of porno pornography sites are. able to record you while you're watching. pornography yes so that's how a lot of. these people get compromised I think for. all types of things is because they have. video of everybody your TV spying on you. but you can stop it on newer Samsung set. go to settings support scroll on to. terms and policies here you can turn off. viewing Information Services. internet-based advertising you can stop. it yeah but tell me how many people are. going to click through all the menus to.

figure out I just read how to do it and. I'm still not going to do it exactly so. that's you don't even read the bit. that's like quick start here's the thing. you just like put the batteries in and. if you can't figure it out with with you. know on its own then you get someone. else to Fig you assume it doesn't work. well even with having a child people. will have a child not even read anything. about them and just take it home from. the [ __ ] Hospital Hospital yeah yeah. big time there's no manual but you. should do some research you should do. some research they're not spying on you.

though or maybe they are that's when you. know you're fully schizophrenic is when. you think you're children out oh yeah. there's a uh Shane Moss is a great. comedian who he's like a he done a lot. of psychedelics and he wanted to do a. documentary while he was on psychedelics. but as he was taking him he got like. further and further down the hole of. them he started to think that the camera. crew that he' hired was spying and. working against him so now he started. leaving Clues to the camera crew so. whoever would be watching this on the.

other side would be able to come and. help him but to be fair it would be. quite normal that sounds quite normal to. think that like I don't fully fully. fully trust any crew any team I work. with you know what I mean oh yeah. because if you did something like like. horrific in a weird way you would expect. them to expose you right right there's a. part of them that would you hopefully. hope that they would if they caught you.

they were doing a documentary about you. and you did they caught you looking at. animal porn or something yeah then maybe. that's a better story and maybe they. they should be like thinking about we. need to do this like uncover suddenly. their allegiance changes it's no longer. about morning set. right the document about morning this is. more we they'd go to like 60 minutes and. think we have Theo Von looking at. extreme animal porn Al you can just go. to any dog park and watch it for a.

little bit it's not the close-ups you. want or or David atenor right that's. basically what nature programs on oh the. snow Finch did you meet him I have met. him I interviewed him uh not for TV but. um for a magazine yeah what a voice of. the times voice yeah soon if will die it. will be weeks before it feeds again I I. learned a lot from how sparing he is. like he uses the.

minimal minimum amount of words in his. voice. over it's. winter the prawns are. feeding soon they will die you know like. it's just he just doesn't say. anything extra and there'll be some. little Ry. and then time for a nap you know like he. just thrw in a little kind of like a. little bit of light irony there he is.

yeah that was when I still had my beard. look at that that was Peak me when I had. like a beard I had a little gray it was. that was probably like the beginning of. like that was two years before the rot. set in and you met Nancy then I I was. with Nancy she got to at least she got. to be with me during the you know the. golden years that's what counts man yeah. well you have a love in your life that's. nice man oh yeah very much so I feel. very lucky Louie thank you so much man. oh man it's a real privilege I really.

feel it's a thrill being here for real. yeah it's really been nice man I I just. I so many people were fascinated that we. were going to be able to have you hang. out with us and so um a lot of women too. loads for real wow loads of women that. me no that's that's nice to hear that. it's nice to be what's the word like. obviously I'm not on the menu but um or. I'm on the menu but I I'm not in stock. or I don't know what the for the market. price is very high well the chef doesn't.

make that anymore. unfortunately but maybe for special. occasion yeah there we go I love your. attitude no that's a joke I'm. fully no that's a joke Nancy and you. enjoy your crisps Miss yes you I'm sure. you're a lovely lady and hope you get to. meet you one day um. Lou thank you so much for your time your. podcast every week is just Lou tho. podcast th podcast yeah on Spotify and. tell them you love me is on Netflix and.

tell them you love me is really really. it's really it's crazy there's a lot of. little things I felt during it I was. like man do I feel this or do I what am. I know here it was cool thank you yeah. shout out Nick Aus perner I mentioned. him enjoy the rest of your stay we'll do. man fun yeah I'm going to do my best and. I'll let you know next time I come in. town man. catch up on your pod next time that. would be nice yeah would be a reciprocal. deal I'd love to have you on that's very. fair man um thank you for your time.

brother thank you for yours now I'm just. floating on the and. iing like these leaves I must be. Cornerstone oh but when I reach that. ground I'll share this piece of mind I. found I can feel it in my. bones but it's going to.